Updates to Premier Membership Benefits

[dusty kelp]

Once again Kobra to the rescue. God bless you you madlad.

[fading sphinx]

Removal of free trade electric boogaloo? (Pking kinda removed itself)

[cerulean timber]

^

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[halcyon niche]

Did someone tag me? I got a notification for something

[languid condor]

Yes I said hello (no im joking idk)

[rain zodiac]

Probably this comment @halcyon niche

[lunar cobalt]

While your at it why have Capes of Accomplishment? Its not clutter is a visual acknowledgement of achievement!

OMG .. you cant be serious.

[quasi bluff]

since youre so against it, i know its a good idea

[lunar cobalt]

So in your mind should RS be free to play only. We all pay for membership, irrespective of package and Premier didn't give you faster XP rates, or any real in-game advantages over other payment methods. Your not really making a valid argument.

[quasi bluff]

what

premier gave xp boosts and access to worlds where you could potentially be the only one at the place youre training at with all the resources to yourself. are you saying it didnt do that with vip worlds or the artifact?

[still girder]

I mean Premier had baked in p2w components

[quasi bluff]

also, stop trying to put words in my mouth. the conversation was about the premier icon chat badge, not the program itself.

[halcyon niche]

Don't total skill level worlds or legacy combat only worlds also do this?

[quasi bluff]

sure but not in exchange for money

[ruby zephyr]

i think that may have been the controversy in 2013, its in wiki if you care to read it, they sold premier club, and if you lapsed they said you would go back to the £5 membs, but it didnt happen, they then had to revert back to it... if my memory serves me well

[lunar cobalt]

Thanks Kobra for asking a really great question, and thankyou Mod Anvil for the prompt answer. This is the sort of comment on here we all need, positive and informative.

[wind moat]

I would like to respectfully share my thoughts regarding the recent proposal from Jagex about removing Premier status and name distinctions in order to make the game “more equal.”

While I understand and appreciate the intention behind promoting equality within the community, I find the reasoning inconsistent.

If the goal is truly to make the game more equal by removing distinctions from player names, then logically this principle should apply across the board. Titles and distinctions such as Combat Master and Grandmaster also represent visible status differences between players. By the same reasoning, those would need to be removed as well to maintain full equality.

However, RuneScape has always been built on progression, recognition, and achievement. Distinctions — whether from Premier membership, skill mastery, or combat accomplishments are part of what motivates players to dedicate time, effort, and passion to the game.

Equality should mean equal opportunity, not the removal of recognition for commitment and achievement.

Premier was a way to show long-term support for the game. Combat and skill titles reflect dedication and mastery. Removing one in the name of equality while keeping others creates inconsistency rather than fairness.

I share this feedback with respect for the developers and the game we all care about. I simply believe that if we speak about equality, the concept must be applied consistently or reconsidered entirely.

[lunar cobalt]

Back that up with fact .. what xp boost? Resources are not shared, so your point here is also flawed.

[proud hinge]

a direct 10% XP boost for one hour each day via the premier artefact

[still girder]

Didnt premier also give that xp vault thing?

[quasi bluff]

how are you having a conversation about this if you dont know what the basic parts of premier are lol

[rain zodiac]

I always forgot that this was a thing and used it maybe twice a year 🙈

[ruby dawn]

So if they don't want to allow P2W. Is the only solution to offer a refund so the people who care about premier artefact can quit and others can move on?

[quasi bluff]

artefact was removed months ago, you're free to go ask them for a refund for time remaining.

[lunar cobalt]

Whippy .. that 10% gain for one hour really makes a whole lot of diff compared to greater efficiency obtained in game via Hero items and best in slot setups that are also time locked in the way they are obtained. My point is your overstating the significance of the benefits.

[ruby dawn]

Yeah I agree. It's not really that big of a deal to lose. Premier for me was always just cheaper membership

[rain zodiac]

I find it incredibly difficult to believe anyone was subscribing for the artifact / vault over the benefit of having a membership for a discounted price + cosmetics/pet that was given upfront and won't be taken away. 😅
If I'm wrong on that assumption, I would be curious to understand why.

[lunar cobalt]

Can I get a refund for the removal of the premier artifact ? If so tell me how?

[mellow hearth]

Where did you find this??

[fickle lotus]

Up in the social feed channel

[quasi bluff]

ok, i guess i can google that for you.
https://support.runescape.com/hc/en-gb/articles/205981571-Refunds

[mellow hearth]

social feed channel?

[proud hinge]

#social-feed

[ruby dawn]

Yeah I can't comprehend it either. It feels silly that this thread was even opened

[proud hinge]

it gathers all reddit posts jmods make

[quasi bluff]

interesting

pmods also losing their silver stars. nice.

[rain zodiac]

I imagine this will be still offered in a different form, wrapped up in the Cosmetic+ Package that is mentioned in the blog.

[ruby zephyr]

i asked a pmod this today, and they had no idea, they thought it was just the blue badge for premier

[quasi bluff]

i hope so, i like the high quality outfits theyve been releasing. theyre some of the best outfits in the game.

[lunar cobalt]

Yer .. again check ya facts. Thats not a refund for an item ive had for many years.

[fickle lotus]

wait where is this table from. Its not in the blog

[quasi bluff]

go ask them, idk why you keep pinging me. this is completely off course of the point of this thread.

[proud hinge]

https://support.runescape.com/hc/en-gb/articles/5674551467793-12-Month-Membership-Package

[lunar cobalt]

I don't care about the artifact I hardly used it! That's not my point.

[halcyon niche]

Lol wut they're removing premier pets and outfits too? Those are literally cosmetic

[lunar cobalt]

Why remove the silver star for PMods ??

[rain zodiac]

The current set won't be offered to new premiere subs but the stuff already earned will stay. More will be coming later

[proud hinge]

because it's the pmod equivalent of the blue premier club star, which is going away

[ruby dawn]

I wonder if it's because sometimes when they talk some people are afraid to get muted/in trouble so they stop talking

[proud hinge]

the pmod crown isn't going away, so that wouldn't be the reason 😛

[quasi bluff]

does this mean that the cosmetic+ thing is a separate offer, outside of the 12 month bundle? sounds like theyre giving current 12 monthers one package then after that itll be its own thing.

[lunar cobalt]

Are ok crown stays and star goes .. that makes sense

[halcyon niche]

Is this gonna be like the keys for prems before nov issue or can people renew tomorrow and still be eligible

[rain zodiac]

I think it's the same thing as current cosmetic premiere stuff but maybe more? /shrug We'll see when it comes

[quasi bluff]

it says anyone active during november

[lunar cobalt]

The 100 bank spaces I've had for over 10 years so that's murrrrr

[pulsar warren]

One is hurr durr I paid money, the other is everyone can achieve this no matter their financial situation

[split crescent]

While i find the badge and the world to be fairly pointless it might been something for them over nothing yet could you please make a request page for what people could wish for extras since people already paid for current year one solution would be to delay the loyality stuff to next year with changed terms and not overstepping creating this chaos were now at and providing time for compensation possible

[quasi bluff]

delay what loyalty stuff? theyre giving all of the cosmetics away for free.

[split crescent]

monthly induvidually as freebiees isnt it? (like current solomon one)

[lunar cobalt]

Basically, its just like any other subscription service. You get a discount if you buy more membership upfront, but its the same product for all. OK I accept that! I 100% support this moving forward. I believe the Loyalty Program needs to go and I support this also. Weather I choose to buy membership at all will rest on how you handle Auras, I have them all and used a lot of Loyalty points collecting them over the years. I support there removal but you have to balance the books somehow.

[split crescent]

AKA: 1 per month and solmon got 100s of items would means youll be here forever

[wind moat]

it´s not about paid with money, until i we can buy bonds in ge.... it´s about more igual for everone. Distitive MAster and gm OFF too is igual for everone ^^

[halcyon niche]

Welp maybas well soent all my loyalty points to see how far i get.

[iron saddle]

I'm personally fine with this because i only did premier for the discount anyways...that being said since less is now being offered with nothing but the discount being the offer, is the discount going to be slightly bigger? If so I consider this a W for all of us but if not its a bit sore. Otherwise i do still love all of the changes that have been coming into the game lately

[harsh raven]

I just need something to spend my 20 premier tokens on... I have litterly every single thing in the premier store. I would even settle for some of the old rc items that were discontinued.... i dont know any names of them right now... so ii cannot give examples. But I couldnt even feed a premier token to my baby troll... For Gods sake let me do that if you dont give me something to spend my 20 on. Please .

[lunar cobalt]

Someone commented on the premier outfit and pet. There not removing them, if you have them you keep them there just not offering them as part of the package in the future.

[harsh raven]

Yea, i got no issue with how they are removing it... Im fine with it. BUT i have 20 tokens and Every single item in the store. What am I going to get to spend my 20 on??? its just not fair. But who said it had to be fair right lol

Hey a keepsake key per token??? that way i can keepsake something and get some kind piece of outfit or item for my tokens?

[lunar cobalt]

Would be an easy fix to convert un-used premier tokens to tokens for the new marketplace. Actually that could be a solution for any item that's removed. Remove an item get a token for marketplace.

[harsh raven]

Hey I would have no issue with it even more than 1 token per item in marketplace.

[pulsar warren]

https://tenor.com/view/what-huh-wat-wut-gif-16165693567743102551

[split crescent]

Think your missconception here, the people willingly paying for premier got a right to be heard that they paid for something thats now becoming less of value. they're not stating the inclusion is wrong he simply want to be properly compensated for obligations on the terms

if we go back to november and was told every loyality point, badge, world, artifact, keys would been removed in 4 months they'd ask why the price is still normal

[pulsar warren]

If you need compensation for a blue chat badge you probably should re-evaluate your life

[split crescent]

i dont give a crap about that badge its was a joke in my eyes yet if someone found it effectively a bonus then its sold as a package

[fading sphinx]

Irrelevant

[worthy forum]

again; majority of what you mentioned isn't discontinued, more reallocated to more payers. example;

• Monthly drops; this is essentially pay to win content of recieving items for simply being a member and logging in that month, this shouldn't be incentivised and should only be aquirable through contribution of the game play not simply logging in.

• Premier Token, realistically was a bad idea and design, these items should of been allocated to a store front, maybe the premier token could of allowed a cosmetic free each year, but simply restricting them to premier only was a terrible concept.

• Premier Chat badge, again terrible concept. never should of exsisted. Its simply a ' hey look at me, I pay less for membership then you do.' Icon, it confuses new players believing that player contributes or has specific restrictions, which isn't the case. (Yes, I am a premier member saying this)

• VIP Worlds; okay so why do we need an exclusive world with less accessibility; doesn't make sense.

• Loyalty Store, should of been removed 10 Years ago, It locked out content from players by having to choose Auras based on time you've been a member, terrible concept.

• Loyalty Points, with the store being encouraged to be removed, i see no reason for this to continue existing.

• Premier Outfit; fun fact this isn't technically going away, its going to be apart of a seperate package, because Premier technically won't exsist anymore so there will be a Cosmetic Package, and a 12 Month Membership Package being separate from each other.

None of these sound bad?

[lunar cobalt]

Basically, its just like any other subscription service. You get a discount if you buy more membership upfront, but its the same product for all. OK I accept that! I 100% support this moving forward. I believe the Loyalty Program needs to go and I support this also. Weather I choose to buy membership at all will rest on how you handle Auras, I have them all and used a lot of Loyalty points collecting them over the years. I support there removal but you have to balance the books somehow.

[harsh raven]

Hey, I have no issue with them removing it. Shoot, probably best idea they have had yet. But I have things that i was given with the concept i could spend said item on something i could use in game. Now that item which i have already paid for are going to be taken what kind of compensation?

[lunar cobalt]

I like the idea of a token for the new Marketplace. No refunds, simply you remove an item an you get a token to replace it.

Works with removal of Loyalty points, Auras, any other item.

[untold edge]

just gonna say, if they remove all the benefits of premier, why not price it to make sense to buy alongside the 6 month sub? Right now it feels like +50% cost (from grandfathered rate) for no benefit and 1 payment a year would also be nicer.

[worthy forum]

its just membership; so if you aren't comfortable with paying for the 12 months, stick to your grandfathered amount.

[untold edge]

yeah im just saying if all the benefits for the premier package are removed (mostly) it be nicer to just be able to pay once annually even at the 600kr rate; cost of the 12 month membership is 50% more almost than going month to month even though 1 payment might be more convienent over 12.

[cerulean steeple]

I suspect the logistics of trying to make it work with grandfathered rates (Which, afaik, only apply on monthly subs?) would probably just be a bit of a mess.
Monthly rates already exist at half a dozen different rates, it doesn't really need to do that for the discounted rates on top of that

[halcyon niche]

Probably because it was an attempt to get people off of grandfather rate

[weary hearth]

eh, I think if they were too concerned about grandfathered rates they'd just stop offering them, it's not like they're subject to any obligation to do so

the issue with grandfathering is more that there's gonna be a fair few people with an essentially passive sub who would notice and consider cancelling if the cost of that sub increased

[halcyon niche]

That's why they'd look for ways to make people pay for a different model.

Honestly they should just get rid of grandfather rates, because it isn't sustainable to do but also in the same reason they are removing the premier features, equality

[untold edge]

the only package that historically didnt honour grandfathered rates was the premier package; it applies to both 1 month and 6 month subs.

[humble galleon]

just let me keep my chat badge 😭

[cerulean steeple]

Tbf I don't think you should be able to combine grandfather rates with bulk purchase discounts. Should be one or the other, or scrap the former entirely

[outer grove]

I don't understand the controversy over "losing" the ugly chat badge.

[weary hearth]

some people like it and they will no longer be able to use it

hope this helps x

[fading sphinx]

If you don’t like it then removing it doesn’t hurt you. But consider if you did.

[quasi bluff]

i dont like seeing it so its a win win

[fading sphinx]

😂

[pulsar warren]

Here's a better question in regards to the chat badge. What are the pros for keeping the chat badge? And "to show I bought premier" isn't relevant. Why do you value it and what does it do for you in your day to day gameplay?

[fading sphinx]

It was part of the deal at the time, it should be honored. Note that I do not have premier, but it is an integrity/matter of principle to be given what you paid for.

[pulsar warren]

Not what I asked

[quasi bluff]

are you losing access to parts of the game with the chat badge being removed?

[fading sphinx]

Not me, but someone else is. I’d rather they stay around instead of being convinced to leave from not getting what they paid for

[still girder]

I can flex that I was able to pay a larger sum at once instead of monthly payments, even though I am technically supporting less money to the business compared to monthly gigachad gamers

[quasi bluff]

thats not losing access to parts of the game. you do not lose any benefit in game other than the ability to display your paid status.

[fading sphinx]

I don’t have premier, but those who bought premier when chat badge was part of the offering now don’t have what they paid for, and that is not good.

[swift knot]

I covered this earlier to why I used it
Here. #1476217676966789265 message

[pulsar warren]

So you're in here just to argue, got it

[halcyon niche]

If you're the only one in a location it does stand out better.

Debatable how useful that is to others but i find it useful

If this game needed it I'd probably suggest replace it with a roles set for bossing, leader, tabk dps etc to help keep track but probably not relevant to rs i guess

[twilit oar]

the removal of VIP Worlds is a slap in the face IMO, i personally enjoy having a lag-free, noob-free world full of actual competent players rather than beggars, to hide away in sometimes...

i shouldnt be charged more $$ , have my premier badge removed, and then forced to mingle with the commonfolk because "it hurts peoples feelings and creates a separation of memberships" isnt that exactly what premier is meant to be? VIP...

[quasi bluff]

every world is dead though, except 84

[cerulean steeple]

Not sure if sarcasm or not...
There's nothing "Elite" about people who can afford to pay more in a lump sum, nor does it have any better ping/latency than just picking a local empty world

[pulsar tundra]

And this is exactly one of the reasons they're removing then.

[fading sphinx]

They should have charged more for VIP so it would fit the name better

[crimson yacht]

I agree with this. Marketing it as "premier" but charging less than paying monthly over 12 months doesn't make sense. Even with the badge, you are currently saying "I paid less for membership than you"

[pulsar warren]

It gets people to ask about it, but then the response after they learn it's just a nothing-burger badge is "oh...so it doesn't mean anything"

[quasi bluff]

than

[thorny orbit]

This

This

You have summed up my thoughts.

[wide belfry]

wtf the way you describe other players

[light scarab]

mithril plebians

[fading sphinx]

🫡

[rain zodiac]

I love this. What robes are those? 😮 I've not seen 'em before I don't think but I love a biiiig hat

[pulsar tundra]

I think those are some of the castlewars cosmetic robes

[wide belfry]

I believe it's old school

[pulsar tundra]

It is

[split crescent]

Just forwarding this since its connected to both areas of the game.

[rain zodiac]

"Forum badge" 😢 Still miss the forums

[halcyon niche]

I meant more in the context of if you're trying to discern who is saying what and they have something that stands out it's easier.

It doesn't even need to ve a prem chat badge, can be any type of marker

[fading sphinx]

Yeah, I wish the forums were still around

[wide belfry]

Same

[weary hearth]

come on mate, you've been told this isn't the place to brandish legal things around. any lawyer will tell you that, given you're talking about a few quid at best, if you want a remedy you should start by complaining to the organisation in question (i.e. Jagex).

believe it or not, filling this thread with vague references to the CRA is not a good way to raise a complaint. Try emailing.

[lunar cobalt]

The new 12 month membership is basically just like any other subscription service. You get a discount if you buy more membership upfront, but its the same product for all. OK I accept that! I 100% support this moving forward. I believe the Loyalty Program needs to go and I support this also. Weather I choose to buy membership at all will rest on how you handle Auras, I have them all and used a lot of Loyalty points collecting them over the years. I support there removal but you have to balance the books somehow. I like the idea of giving us a token for the new Marketplace, no refunds, simply you remove an item an you get a token to replace it. Works with removal of Loyalty points, Auras, any other item.

Here's a thought .. if the token is only for one pce of an outfit. And the outfit looks cool I will spend cash to get the whole outfit. 😛

[plucky plaza]

So for those that think people need compensation for reduced benefits....

What do OSRS players get since many of them pay for Primier too for the cheaper membership even if hey don't play the main game?

[lunar cobalt]

Can't you have a old school and an RS3 character off the same membership? Kind of makes it irrelevant. Not playing the main game is a choice.

[halcyon niche]

Nostalgia?

[fading sphinx]

You can, just can’t be logged into both games at the same time on the same character

[lunar cobalt]

Yer he's pointing out that old school players that have premier membership don't get the extra perks. They do they just choose to not play the main game therefore not using them.

[fading sphinx]

Yeah I agree. They also seem to be the angrier kind, they may not be happy to learn they are losing stuff they paid for but didn’t use. It’s the principle of the thing after all.

[lunar cobalt]

lol .. thats sound alot like ME

Don't get me wrong I'm not happy, but I'm seeing the light.

[steep radish]

I highly doubt they generate a substantial sum of money. I mean, the price they sold for and number sold are public numbers...

Removing TH is a much more substantial source of income that'll need replacing... I'd happily buy more plushies though (haven't missed any) and other cool merchandise

Bit outside the scope of this channel though

I thought it'd been fully confirmed they're usable until January...? I have over 1000 tokens and only since the removal was announced did I start using them, slowly... I simply don't have the time to use them all up in a few weeks lol

[rain zodiac]

Scroll down a lil from that comment Chess linked to and there's a screenshot of a response from Mod Anvil saying:

Wicked Hood Tokens are not going away at this point. You should still be able to add them to your wicked hood for now, though you will not be able to earn any new tokens.
#social-feed message

[steep radish]

Artefact was one of the reasons I bought Premier at the more expensive rate than just paying each month. I was quite miffed when its removal was announced the day after it renewed...

[steep radish]

Cheers. Just catching up a bit here

[steep radish]

So, for the first time in a long time I'm having to consciously decide if Premier is worth it. Here's some values I assign to various aspects... It's either calculated by some means, or more often, what I'd realistically be happy to pay for that aspect.

Third TH key per day about £20 per year

Premier Artefact about £10 per year, maybe a little more if I have a good use for the Porters that year

Boss instances £0

Star symbol thingy £0

VIP worlds £0

Additional upfront Loyalty Points about £10 per year

Extra 100 bank spaces about £50 per year

Monthly drops... Hm, maybe 50p per month? Only collected them because they were there, might pay £6 for the year considering some are better than others

Vault £0 haven't been able to access it for years due to needing an empty inventory

RuneMetrics Pro discount £0 (I explicitly never want RuneMetrics Pro on any of my accounts)

The three cosmetics, £5 each

Premier item tokens... £5 each, provided there's items in the store for me to purchase, otherwise, £0 each

So that's roughly... £164.40, I think, in the previous iteration

Or in the proposed iteration, it'd need to be over 25 cosmetics in the yearly drop thing to be equivalent value to currently

Something that could increase the value of Premier going forward would be (possibly difficult to implement, because third party shops like Makeship, Youtooz, whoever else...) A code for 10% off each piece of merchandise. Would have to be single use on each one to prevent sharing it, or at least minimise it happening... Probably a bit too difficult to directly verify each person

[gray oasis]

If there were say 5 membership redeems per “premier” membership, i would consider buying that membership at least twice year, just saying

[teal raptor]

Regarding the initial post for this by Mod Yuey, there are currently 288 thumbs up emojis and 301 thumbs down emojis. Reddit is in a current meltdown over this topic. Personally, my clan is losing a few high ranking people that find the value of their membership purchases to be worthless. I would think, if the player base was anything less than 70% supportive of a decision, I'd reconsider that decision or at the very least, quit marketing it as "giving everyone what they want" or "we're listening to you!" If that were true in the slightest, this forum wouldn't exist.

[gray umbra]

yeh i don't believe for them saying we're listening to you

[vagrant hound]

They listen. But also throw aside the feedback that doesn't align with their new design choices

[gray umbra]

thats my opinion ive seen it too many times already

[gritty sequoia]

Membership is access to the entire game players pour thousands of hours into to engage with. Calling membership worthless over losing a medium cash bag and a chat badge is not sane. Jagex does read level-headed feedback but not all crashouts can be taken seriously.

[teal raptor]

I've read this cut and paste rebuttal before. I only posted what I did because I disagree with it

[gritty sequoia]

My access to the game is still going to be the exact same, with the same world regions, bosses and skills and quests. It's a fact, not an opinion.

[teal raptor]

Well ok then but, obviously there will be people who find their own opinion to be just as valuable to themselves and you do of yours

[gritty sequoia]

Access to member-only content on gielinor is not an opinion and has not become worthless since changes to premier were announced because no changes to being a member were made other than boss instances becoming free of charge. Being a P2P player is not worthless.

[teal raptor]

Again with the copy and paste. This forum asked for opinions from everyone. Not just you. I gave my opinion. Please stop arguing with me. I was just doing what was asked of me so hopefully I can influence what I believe is a positive change to a game I love. Also, look at the numbers. Aside from the 301 thumbs down, there are also 51 sad and 94 angry emojis. I'm hardly alone in my belief.

[gritty sequoia]

I didn't copypaste anything 🙂

[teal raptor]

My apologies to Jagex for my part in this. I'm done with the discussion. Say what you want....

[rigid thistle]

This is not a space to argue with each other. Keep it respectful.

This is not a space for billing issues. Take it to #payment-help .

[steep radish]

That's very interesting. I've completely avoided Reddit recently because I assumed I'd have an exceedingly unpopular opinion and would just be shouting into the void. Most people I know who are disappointed with it thought similarly "Well, the majority won so I've gotta accept it or quit"

[rain zodiac]

Random thought: With boss instances going free-for-all, will the 1 hour instance timers also be going, or does that need to stay to balance out kill count requirements for the bosses that have them?

[slim tide]

Wait, what's this about free-for-all boss instances?

[blissful marsh]

They will be free yes

[gritty sequoia]

As listed in the news post, boss instances will no longer cost gp

[rain zodiac]

From the blog post:

[blissful marsh]

Tbh, i am a premier member and i'm okay with the changes. Alltough I can see why some people are upset about it, I just don't take their stance.

[slim tide]

I seem to have missed that part of the post.
I saw "free-for-all" and assumed they did something crazy like remove private boss instances, lol.

[rain zodiac]

😂 That would be incredibly chaotic and messy and a very bad idea (imo)

[slim tide]

I finally managed to bond my way into premier and less than a month later they remove all the fancy premier stuff 🙁
Gonna miss my fancy chat star. It made my Starstruck title look fancier.

[blissful marsh]

But we get, over all, a better game. Don't you think?

[gritty sequoia]

Yes

Equal access for all members, no class differences or hard-to-obtain benefits, no TH-era item drops, it's healthier

[rain zodiac]

Starstruck was such a frustrating title to get. I went to soooo many star landing sites and just camped out and prayed I remembered the landing spot correctly Only for it to land at a diff location entirely or miss me by a couple tiles. Well done on getting it. You're very fancy ✨

[slim tide]

Maybe, but I'm still waiting for the rebalance to hit endgame stuff.
So far all I've got are nerfs 🙁

ttaM, the trick is to go to a world where it'll land in Feldip hills. It lands in the exact same spot everytime. Or Crandor in f2p worlds.
And you can check the wiki's pictures to compare and find the exact tiles it lands on.

[languid condor]

Yes thats the way to go with integrity changes

[gritty sequoia]

Rebalances are not exclusively required to be a buff or an addition, they can be a nerf or a removal of something too

[languid condor]

Well this year they are going to be mostly needed nerfs

They aknowledged the game direction in the last years was not healthy, that they made several mistakes. Now they are correcting these mistakes, people that played during this bad direction shift and loved these mistakes are not going to be happy about the changes but they know that

[slim tide]

Perhaps, but I still remember what was said in the th removal post.
That they would be rebalancing it to make skilling xp/training methods better because it was the main reason people relied on mtx items.
I would say earlygame thieving is definitely better.
Can't really comment on agi as I'm way beyond that part.

[languid condor]

For that specifically, im pretty sure you can expect multiple rebalances that will help skilling yes, agility etc will get addressed. It will happen for sure

[gritty sequoia]

Yes, and the updates are first and foremost tackling the most painful period of skilling which is the early-game portion. Training Agility and Thieving will be a better experience for newcomers and low-level accounts. Mid-game and late-game changes are coming later this year.

[oak magnet]

The thing is, "rebalancing" was for months promoted as making the core gameplay more enjoyable in light of TH removal, so people wouldn't feel that much void in light of TH xp items removal. So clearly this doesn't sound like nerfs to me.

[languid condor]

Yes the rebalances are still planned, they tackled what needed to go first

Theres like an adaptation period to all of that

[gritty sequoia]

I've skipped all the way up to lvl 70~80 on my army of alt accounts using just lamps and stars, rather than training it by following the skill guide, with the removal of TH, you're back to doing it the OG way. I am all for improving the OG experience of leveling up from scratch. They have listed factual, number-based improvements to leveling up agility and thieving for new accounts.

[oak magnet]

And my by far biggest issue with their approach is that they make such expansive writings about what they plan to remove with often only vague promises "We plan some improvements at later date but we don't have info yet". So I don't blame anyone for being p*ssed at such approach.

[gritty sequoia]

Sure, how undecided aspects of the game are or aren't communicated, is a different topic. I just wanted to highlight that early-game updates have been a buff for early-game players.

[languid condor]

I feel like some people will not have realistic expectations for what these rebalances will be tho, like you are never going to be as fast as with Treasure Hunter. Some skills are already pretty well balanced for levelling

[slim tide]

Personally, I'm just grumbling until they get around to rebalancing endgame stuff.
Because so far I'm only feeling nerfs.
That said, I really like the skilling auras being turned into a totem. But I will really miss my desert pantheon aura.

[oak magnet]

I do hope they address the communication in their next week's blog about "reflection on February". Because I do believe there are errors in it that causes more disgruntlement than it should.

[vagrant hound]

Yeah "communication just to be communicating" which doesn't really give any new info feels bad

[oak magnet]

Early game rebalance was clear example of something not working well with communication to me. Like, going in detail how they plan to nerf (those hunter things) and then only vague promise about buffs they haven't decided on yet. Same with divination, not to mention the thieving debacle. I would be way less annoyed if they were more firm on more equal "we're diminishing X in favor of you getting Y" .

And this Premier stuff is something I believe it should have been communicated way earlier.

[vagrant hound]

the only "debacle" with thieving is people hating on it not being afk. overall the early game was buffed by a mile

[weary hearth]

I think it's important to distinguish here between vague communication (which is less than ideal), and communication which is very specific but players have distaste for the content. 'We are nerfing X now and we may introduce changes which we have yet to determine at some point in the future' is not poorly communicated, but it contains a message some players dislike

[rain zodiac]

Idk, I like the wee peek behind the curtain on their thinking and processes and such. Not everything needs to be "here's the new big shiny thing" or "here's a concrete plan", but a "hey we heard you, you suggested xyz options, and we're deliberating, prototyping, testing, refining, combining, etc, please be patient" post with no new plans or whatever is still very cool by me. 🤷

[oak magnet]

With thieving, something apparently went wrong with initial communication as the very controversial update got in game and had to be adjusted upon release. So I wonder why they just fully went with it in first place.

[slim tide]

I will point out, a lot of people were upset and blindsided by the change to Oblivious.
They also didn't mention the Cheeky Monkey would lose it's ability. (which I in particular am a bit upset about because I spent my last shiny premier token on it after seeing the early plans for pickpocketing rebalance)

[vagrant hound]

Sounds like people complaining about it not being afk enough anymore. as i said 🤷‍♂️ But let's keep this thread about "premier changes" feedback instead of derailing it to far into everythign else they've done

[slim tide]

Oh, uh... Something something, I'm gonna miss my fancy blue star.
Also, kind of a shame all the loyalty points I'd saved up are just vanishing.

[oak magnet]

I believe this Premier stuff is also something that should have been communicated much more in advance. Because it touches a year long subscription.

[split crescent]

yep its absurd to come 3 months later when they could just start this next year given breaking of contractual obligations

[quasi bluff]

ive said this elsewhere but im telling you, theyre on a time limit for all these changes to show lasting results. they really dont have a year they can put this off for.

[lean hornet]

I haven’t been able to log into the subscription management section for days now. At this point it’s hard not to question whether that’s intentional. When major membership changes are being pushed and users suddenly can’t access their account or billing settings, it raises serious concerns. Transparency would go a long way right now.

[cerulean timber]

#payment-help

Others have been able to access the subscription management screen

Go to that channel for further assistance

[split crescent]

they can do they've delayed havenhythe and other updates one year they pulled out dbxp sooner instead to compensate for delays

[cerulean steeple]

Havenhythe was always expected to be early 2026, no?

[languid condor]

Not always

We had that first

[split crescent]

thanks tried to find that pic and i recall seeing one say early winter after christmas which isnt really "early" anymore

[candid lake]

March is winter uwu

[fading sphinx]

Not looking good for global warming

[candid lake]

What does this even mean??? I get insanely confused by weird irl injections

[fading sphinx]

They promised it would be warmer.

[candid lake]

I dont think this is the channel for your politics

[fading sphinx]

It’s a joke about cold weather.

[weary hearth]

it hasn't stopped snowing at DKS fairy ring for 20 years, checkmate liberals

[candid lake]

Yall suck. Why cant we just be rs centric

[fading sphinx]

If it starts snowing again in May, I may make the same joke again

[peak marten]

Is there gonna be considerations for prorates or reimbursement for those who had bought premier before this change?

[split crescent]

if you going by trajectory winter shifted from mid october-february to late december-mid april

[cloud falcon]

The VIP worlds was one of the I loved. And many of us all ready have the maximum bank spaces. If we are going to be more like regular memberships why even bother paying extra ?

And are you getting rid of the exp worlds like must have 2,000 exp ? In trying to make more inclussive I think maybe you went little too far

[split crescent]

people saying this is on route of a hail mary last resort for rs3 yet the path they walk to get there is equal as ignorant as when mod pips ran

[cloud falcon]

I am not trying to cause trouble, be mean or anything just asking what makes it that much better. I like all the changes so far or can at least under stand them but this I don't

[cloud falcon]

Maybe I still don't understand English enough this hail mary is it a insult directed to me?

[split crescent]

from a non premier perspective it was a bit pointless addition like the odd star badge that did nothing or the world wasnt more exclusive then the already low player populated worlds so paying extra didnt really give more so they scrap it to just say its true.

but theres some saying they're cutting world counts since playerbase isnt growing if the premier update states correctly (possibly budget cuts)

[plucky plaza]

for 1 year membership you aren't paying extra; you're paying less unless you were $5 grandfathered.

[cloud falcon]

So there will be np premium membership now ?

[split crescent]

you get a cosmetic pack the bankspace and 12month member at slight discount

[cloud falcon]

I all ready have max bank space and way to many cosmetics you get for free in game but I guess that is way it is again please forgive as English not that great

[split crescent]

id advice contacting support if you need the loss of value affected you enough that it feels wrong, they need to get direct feedback since here it doesnt go very far

[cerulean timber]

hail mary is a term that means "final, desperate attempt"

it is from American Football and is when the quarterback throws the ball super far down field and is often a risky move due to the ball being intercepted and the amount of time it takes for the wide receivers to get down the field often leaves the quarterback vulnerable

[plucky plaza]

Renamed 12 month membership; same price as it has been, a discount from monthly or every 6 month rates; but without the extra perks like Loyalty points and he yearly free cosmetic.

You keep bank space bonus and I don' think they've said they're removing the VP world?

[cloud falcon]

So is that like tellimg me i am in wrong on comment

[split crescent]

my apologies i missed that

[cerulean timber]

no. it has nothing to do with right/wrong

it is just a last ditch effort

[languid condor]

What do you mean by paying extra ? Because yearly membership is cheaper not extra

[cloud falcon]

Lol it's ok I learned new term

[languid condor]

It quoted the wrong message i was replying the one where you say why should we pay extra btw aha

[cloud falcon]

I was thinking still would have VIP sorry as I said stilling trying to understand when I read sounded like VIP was still in play (?) English terms lol

So no VIP any more thank you will leave you all alone now again thank for explaing better

[plucky plaza]

Sorry; correction. VIP worlds are indeed going away.

[cloud falcon]

It is sad but must be I in RL am really nothing I saved to pay extra cause it made me feel equal to others. Have nice day and thank for English leason : )

[split crescent]

they paid for premier as they valued the extra as something to sweeten the deal which i didnt think actually sold premiers yet ive been proven wrong its a revalation

[cloud falcon]

Seems lot of revalations with all this lol byes

[cloud falcon]

Oh what happens since I all ready paid for premium when it mine ran out

[split crescent]

it should just run out normally, id advice you use up ur loyality points before they're removed in a few weeks dont buy auras since that too get removed

[steady hedge]

I mean people like extras and feeling special and get upset when things taken away even if they don’t use the things taken away

[cloud falcon]

I don't do to look better than like you I do to feel more equal and feel I don't know how to say but maybe special (?) instad of just me

[gritty sequoia]

To better quantify what the slight discount entails, you pay for 7 months and get 5 months for free when using the premier yearly subscription, compared to the monthly pricing. Many of my online services subscriptions only give me 2 out of 12 months as a discount, so it's always been nice to see Runescape's yearly pricing differs so much.

[cloud falcon]

I am not upset as much as sab

[cloud falcon]

That is true I guess

[split crescent]

dw about them, they're misunderstanding what you meant so dont be stressed 🙂

[steady hedge]

Though discount probally go over better long term if jagex actually keeps up with putting out content people like on regular basis which they haven’t done well for years now.

[torn cedar]

The issue is my premier 12 month renewed in November before all these changes were announced. Nearly every aspect of what I paid for is being removed. I don’t understand this game design.

[split crescent]

id advice contacting rs support on their site to request some form of compensation

[dusty kelp]

The pattern Im seeing with their removals is that theyre removing currencies and mtx first in order to simplify the game. Chances are stuff from the Premier Artifact goes under that. I know in a different blog post they mentioned that they knew theyd be taking a financial hit with these decisions, so what this in fact looks like is that they are a company on the backfoot consolidating resources in order to minimize irl resource bleed.

What concerns me is that their 'vision' seems to be limited to what Runescape once was, rather than what it is now. Personally, for that latter idea, I have to ask you, do you like Runescape itself as a game rather than the goodies it gives you? Thatd be the deciding factor as to whether or not Id stay. You can get goodies everywhere on the internet.

Runescape as we knew it 10 years ago, before Pips took the wheel, was it a game we really want to go back to, if it costs what we achieved in the ten years we stayed on through the dark years?

[steady hedge]

I assume jagex is scrambling and timing on things not the best

[dusk zinc]

Well said.

One thing ive noticed is people's point is "premier is too expensive for people"
It's really not, it's cheaper than monthly membership and one time payment a year and used to get some badass stuff too!

I tried removing my old card info, my new card had already been on there from a previous premier membs buy but they charged my old card automatically. I wasnt aware of it till I noticed no more chat badge one day. Then tried to buy premier and grandfathered price was gone... I had already set my newer card up to auto pay. Old card after several attempts was still on there.
That bugs me too.

And to ask for help from jagex is really hard unless its a "missing item" request... they helped me loads and much love for them for that, but other stuff, really hard to find exactly where to go. And or no response for a while...(about premier grandfathered price)

Ill miss premier for real:( at least what it was. And the auras that were in Solomons now at wars?? Sigh I guess it doesnt matter now

[foggy drum]

And not everyone cares about cosmetics. They don't really give you any in-game benefits except maybe help you win FashionScape contests.

[cerulean steeple]

A lump sum payment is far harder to make than smaller payment spread throughout the year for a lot of people though. Which is a bad precedent to have for giving power-affecting bonuses

[steady hedge]

Also price is all subjective especially in gaming now where free to play dominates people expect more when you charge a premium.

[lunar cobalt]

The new 12 month membership is basically just like any other subscription service. You get a discount if you buy more membership upfront, but its the same product for all. OK I accept that! I 100% support this moving forward. I believe the Loyalty Program needs to go and I support this also. Weather I choose to buy membership at all will rest on how you handle Auras, I have them all and used a lot of Loyalty points collecting them over the years. I support there removal but you have to balance the books somehow. I like the idea of giving us a token for the new Marketplace, no refunds, simply you remove an item an you get a token to replace it. Works with removal of Loyalty points, Auras, any other item.

[naive crypt]

Premier for 8 years. Ready to stop the clock now. It was great incentive besides the money saved. Even the money saved was nerfed before this new feature coming.

[normal river]

Probably not resubbing myself. The point of premier was all the incentives that came with it, and I’m excluding treasure Hunter because I play Ironman mainly. The game is expensive on its own for what it offers. Other games allow you multiple characters and far more features for being a paid player, meanwhile rs still just lets you play the full game with one single character.
Those incentives were the only thing offsetting that price imbalance.
But the whatever this new management is thinking it’s certainly not putting power back to the players like they were promising. So far it’s been gutting and removing things since the start of the year.

[pulsar warren]

What are the main benefits you're losing that make you not want to re-sub on your Ironman?

[humble galleon]

let me keep the chat badge please

[dusty kelp]

Fiora makes a good point, FFXIV lets you make multiple characters when you buy membership, why not Runescape? That is a little behind the times. :/

But I suspect theyd lose alot of money from multiloggers and on top of whats happening with the consolidation that might be a hard option to consider given their financial situations, especially with OSRS's botting issues... They would have to have a dedicated team just so they could keep on top of the armies of bots coming in to crash the economy.

Imagine the economical chaos.

[steady hedge]

Well I think most would want to multi log them which to do in other games you have to buy membership for multiple accounts then

[cerulean steeple]

FFXIV lets you make multiple characters but still only log into one at any given time, so it's kind of a moot point there.
Most other MMOs you tend to be limited by your selected class which is why you can make multiple characters, RS there's no limitation of any kind

[ruby zephyr]

finally glad we get to complete a survey, and give our feedback on what rs3 players are feeling, thank you 🙂

[fickle lotus]

finally? we've had dozens of these. I feel like the second half of last year they had one every few weeks.

[ruby zephyr]

maybe so, but i thought your an osrs player ? correct me if i am wrong

[fickle lotus]

What? I've always been a rs3 player first and foremost.

[ruby zephyr]

thank you for correcting me, apologies

[fickle lotus]

Yeah its fine just confused me. I was even ingame in rs3 right now while typing this.

[ruby zephyr]

no probs, think i confused you with someone else, as i said apologies, also i have not seen the surveys before today, and i log into rs3 every day..... so yeah

[true olive]

Afaik, this is the first survey since November?

It's been a while

[fickle lotus]

Probably. It was just heavy with surveys last year that whenever I posted it to my clannies they just went "again? I barely finished last one"

[lusty shell]

There's a survey?

[true olive]

In the lobby if you log in (or so I've heard)

[lusty shell]

Oh I see it. I never look at that screen. Thought it was just marketplace promotions.

[cloud falcon]

My customization is so full of the ones they give you without asking for them it is hard to find ones I like They 3 tabs 1 love it 2 sort of love it 3 no way in <add fav cuss word here > I am wearing this

[split cargo]

Even though I'll miss the VIP worlds and the badge and the points even I have to admit this is for the better. From a business stand point while it's generally better to focus on keeping current customers than trying to get new ones and risking consistent income.... if you subtract OSRS from the total count we have like 20k playing RS3 at any time so making people equal and getting new members is a good idea.

[rain zodiac]

Thank you 😁 It was there. I was looking all over the launcher + home page + in my emails and not seeing it.

[steep radish]

Yeah, if I didn't care about cosmetics then the proposed Premier replacement is worth £38.40 to me, ie equal to twelve months of membership. So having paid approximately double that, the amount of cosmetics I get in November will determine how angry I am... I'll just be stewing until then. Which seems a bad position to put loyal customers in, stuck in purgatory waiting to know how angry they'll be for months on end

[cloud falcon]

We need a rs3 goodwill to give cosmetics we dont want

[true olive]

#1019643494429642872 🙂

[pulsar urchin]

Awe man. Was hoping that would take me to a thread with thousands of supporters already

I'll keep an eye out for your post and support it, Storms - awesome idea!

[true olive]

just a general forum where they can post a suggestion

[steep radish]

Also as I've been busy today and probably won't have much of a chance to read anything much until Tuesday... Could someone let me know if there's any news on this between now and Tuesday? Cheers

[cloud falcon]

I imagine would be to hard to implement to do it would be happy if they had way to sort favorite parts to one plce but they have to much going on now Would hate to make their minds explode

[crude furnace]

So, do we get anything in return for our Loyalty? I've been a Loyal Premium Member since it started, and I have the 14 Loyalty Crowns and over 3.7M Points to prove it. I had planned on spending them on more auras, but just found out those are gone as well. If I get nothing in return for my Loyalty Points, I'm gonna be pissed.

[vagrant hound]

Loyalty points are being yeeted for good reason. Loyalty crowns still exist. Do with that info what you want.

[vale trout]

I will miss the VIP world (nice world to hop to when doing slayer tasks knowing for sure there's nobody going to be there) but at the same time they really need to scrap even more worlds.

Few days ago there were 14K players online with like 126 worlds we have, which is like 112 players in each world on average. If 2k is the max for a world the amount of worlds being removed should be at least 60~70

[cerulean steeple]

Then it becomes even harder to find a more empty world though. The world feels busier, which is a pro... but the world is busier which is a con for any non-personalized content

[vagrant hound]

Not to mention they'd have to actually fix all the lag issues that exist when you have more then 5 people in a world. Which only become worse when they remove worlds and population in each one doubles or whatever

[oak magnet]

I rather have more empty world and no lag than the other way around.

[vale trout]

Even with 70 worlds being removed the average will be 250 players each world with 56 worlds remaining, barely double the amount on average as we have now

And keep in mind that's F2P & P2P worlds combined, with Havenhythe release this year the map will be even bigger.
250 players with current map still feels empty

World 2, 163 players

GE area not even having 20 players

[cerulean steeple]

The map will be bigger, but there'll probably be even more density of players in the Havenhythe areas because new content

[steady hedge]

If they delete worlds before fixing lag issues they are out of there minds

[dusty kelp]

Lag tends to be ubiquitous with MMOs.

[quasi bluff]

they should do what osrs did to fix this problem, add areas that are slayer task-only

[weary hearth]

250 players on a world is essentially unplayable

unless world compressions come with engine improvements I think the solution is just to add more synergies to social skilling

[pulsar tundra]

World compressions?

[quasi bluff]

theyre planning to cut the number of worlds down

[pulsar tundra]

Where did it say that?

[quasi bluff]

idk, i think a reddit comment

https://www.reddit.com/r/runescape/comments/1rg720i/re_world_consolidation_proposal/

man fuck this slow mode

[pulsar tundra]

He's saying he thinks it would be a good idea. But thats his thoughts. Not an official statement
If anything we're getting a few more avalible worlds because of the change to vip worlds.

[rain zodiac]

Like Kuradel's dungeon? 😁

[quasi bluff]

more than that. osrs has slayer only areas all over the place, usually right next to the non-slayer spots.

[pulsar tundra]

If they could improve server stability so higher pop worlds are playable then yeah it could be a good idea to make things a bit more social. But as it is now crunching world numbers would just make stability worse.

[split crescent]

i do not like this anvil guy i do not like his arguments, i do not like his rushed will

[quasi bluff]

i dont like the way rs3 is currently so there

[split crescent]

i just wish they had someone experienced in the position rather then a random just hire that seemingly throwing out random tidbits of how hes missing the whole games history. that poll comment really tells you enough about how far he knows

[rain zodiac]

For slayer one problem is people play differently. I don't mind killing 1-2 monster spawns, doing 1 at a time, and sharing an area with others who do the same and waiting for respawns is fine, but know some people like to go fully efficient and drop a cannon and kill a whole room at once. Both approaches are fine. Slayer dungeons kinda solve the problem for the latter so they can fill a room / get faster respawns - but gathering the soul sin the first place is more of a problem with more competition/denser populations.

[fickle lotus]

Unironically I've thought Anvil has done a fantastic job since they got into the position and Jagex has a whole has stepped up their communication.

[rain zodiac]

I think they're doing great too - granted, I've only really read through #social-feed - not clicking through to the reddits for full context.

[cerulean steeple]

I mean, his job is to engage with the community, not know every single in and out of the game and its history. And in that regard, he's doing a damn good job from what I've seen so far.

[dusty kelp]

Ill certainly give him points if he does an under the hood revamping of the support system though! Its been Jagex's curse for years that their support is legendarily poor. I cant count the amount of stories ive heard from people trying to get in touch with them and only getting static after weeks :P Anvil can only do good there.

[mossy root]

You've copy pasted this message in this thread multiple times now. Please do not do it again, as we consider this to be spam. @lunar cobalt

[silent spindle]

could we please know what is to become of pets brought from Soloman's Store or gotten through game play and what is happening to the loyalty points some long term players had building up on their accounts to purchase a particular aura (which are being removed). Are all tokens from previous events being removed? Just a few questions I've not seen addressed as yet (my apologize if this has already been answered).

[pulsar tundra]

Solomans store will most likely either be kept there or merged with the marketplace. Loyalty points are being deleted with no reimbursement for auras. Cosmetics tokens arent being touchd as far as im aware.

[silent spindle]

@key i was not expecting reimbursement for auras purchased from what I have read so far these will be given/allotted to other areas such as archaeology. I was more wondering what plans they had for the loyalty points that are currently existing on accounts along with other tokens ie desert pantheon fragments, heartments...will these also be "lost" edited for bad spelling

[devout bone]

idk about the new plans but I have several

we need to rally people together in discord in reddit ..we need to strike back this is stupid we need to do somethging , IDK what though

[cinder reef]

Courtesy of 4D oranges

[devout bone]

the future isnt bright taking away so much from people who were actually loyal loyalty deserves loyalty from the company as well -loyalty shou ld be a good thing what we have here is beetrayal and greed in full swing

[quasi bluff]

if the game dies, are you going to restart on osrs?

[devout bone]

idk I may do the dragon wyld thing

[vagrant hound]

Heartments/h'oddments will be able to spend later which has been said many times before. Loyalty points are being deleted so spend them before april ( mentioned in the new premier changes blog )

[pulsar tundra]

Id say things are looking up. So much bad stuff finally being fixed or removed. I've a feeling the game is guna thrive.

[steady hedge]

Looking up if new players actually come if not they just angered some of players they got left and gained nothing

[pulsar tundra]

Even if angry people leave they still gained more trust from players like me. And ill bring my friends in to play.

[blissful marsh]

Just out of confusion - latest plans with premier club into 12 month member ship - if I ever in the mood to turn on cosmetics again, will I still have, already unlocked costumes from premier tokkens?

[pulsar tundra]

Already unlocked cosmetics arent being touched.

[blissful marsh]

Ty

[vagrant hound]

Yeah you turning off cosmetics with the toggle doesn't delete them anywhere 🙂

[blissful marsh]

Nah that's not what I meant. Just, if previous unlocks, Premier Club related, in Terms of cosmetics, will be gone, after renaming it to 12 Month membership.

[true olive]

As long as the cosmetics aren't getting removed, you should still have access to them if you've unlocked them
There are a few that are getting removed to have a more cohesive game, but that's another conversation

[spiral portal]

Will you be able to buy 12 months with bonds?
I just renewed usin bonds so will I still have the 12 months I p
aid for?

[fading sphinx]

I have not heard otherwise,
so I assume you will still be able to

[fickle lotus]

Yes and yes. Nothing they've said has stated otherwise. Nobody is losing membership hours.

[spiral portal]

'Good to know otherwise it would be adios amigos

[hearty plank]

The bonds option more or less adds membership days, then unlocks the flags for premier redemption. (Equiv of a non-renewed 12 month if done for premier normally)

You wont lose the days you have already, just atm some benefits will be turned off on premiers end and discontinued.

Their post counts as an official notice of change, so there's not much otherwise changing than what was stated

[spiral portal]

Understand that, was interesred re just renewing and future renews

Btw there are many unhappy ppl in my clan

[hazy lake]

I agree. The books has not been balanced at all. I too understand something has to go. And I agree. But the last two months has been a long streak of features/benefits taken from me, and there has been nothing in return...
Part of me feel a bit "cheated"...or at least treated unfair. Aura-overhaul has become aura-removval.....

[merry cosmos]

btw if somebody wants to know, the premier of my main already finished 3 days ago, and today i noticed i still have the +100 perma bank spaces

[rain zodiac]

Mod Anvil explained how that works if curious - anyone who was a premiere member in Nov. '25 keeps those bank spaces forever but those whose prem' ran out before that won't - #social-feed message

[merry cosmos]

i tought only ones who renew the premier after nov 25 will get the bonus, nice to know

[rancid adder]

It says that in Nov '25 accounts were flagged that historically had premier but doesn't have it anymore. Meaning that anyone who had premier at some point has those 100 bank spaces.

[rain zodiac]

Ah yep, even better! I skimmed over the comment a bit too quickly.

[silent spindle]

@vagrant houndInform the noob (me) where to spend over 248k in loyalty points?? so far all items on the market place are purchased only with runecouns!! so how/where do we spen our loyalty points which were earned by being loyal??

[dusty kelp]

Go to the wardrobe, and buy cosmetic outfits with them. Turn off owned outfits ot make the process easier

[oak magnet]

Open loyalty store at Xuan in Varrock and see what you can purchase (outside auras). There are cosmetics, emotes and titles still available to purchase.

[silent spindle]

@oak magnet Ohh ok too used to buying off market 🙂 will have a look later thanks

@dusty kelp ok will look into this also - hoep no changes made to these also

[ruby zephyr]

you can also get to solomons store via google, it will redirect you to your account, then store.

[spiral portal]

As the blue star badge is going from chat does this mean that ironman etc will also go?

[proud hinge]

Nope, just the blue star (and silver star variant of pmods)

[spiral portal]

I am having issue on ipad where I can't see what the charge for anything is until I click buy

[spiral portal]

Now I feel discriminated against lol

[hazy lake]

I've been a paying member for the last 15 years. Last 5 with premium. Although I understand the underlying reasons for removing TH, premium artefact, etc., I can't stop feeling a bit "cheated".

1. You have removed many of the reasons to stay a premium member
2. I need to spend hard earned skilling items (protons, dummies, etc.) within a year.
3. now you are removing items/auras that I have earned a long time ago with my loyal points.
4. In October 2025 I paid for 1 year premium. Assuming I would keep all benefits 1 year. Now almost all are gone (keys were compensated) and i still have 7 months left on the subscription.

With the exception of “maybe we will do something in November” there are no plans to accommodate loyal Premium Members.

I think that you are taking away a functionality that I indirectly through my premium membership paid real money to get. You are probably on the right side of law and order doing so, however, it seems like you are braking the “contract” we made a few years ago. At no junction did you in any way or form hint to me that the functionality I bought through loyalty points was only temporary.

Once again, I understand you have to do changes and brake some eggs, but you are really giving loyal premium members the finger on this. In comparison; I understand my Netflix subscription will change over time, but if I buy a movie (not rent) I expect it to be available to me in the future regardless of subscription changes. I think for example Auras can be compared to a movie in this case.

I need you guys in Jagex to reply and tell me how you justify doing this to long time loyal paying members.

[ruby dawn]

Is the premier artefact really that important to you? It's the only thing you're losing

[vagrant hound]

Would be more accurate to say the membership time is the only thing we're not losing. + any cosmetics we own. All the other "benefits" are being removed or have already been removed.

[viral ether]

Given that Premier is being gutted and destroyed, Jagex really needs to be open about it's future plans and costs. If the membership is only renamed without the additional perks (that I and others have paid for...), I will not renew my subscription, and I have seen a lot of other players say the same thing.

If it's just going to grant access to game content, is the price going to be reduced to reflect what Jagex has removed?

[vagrant hound]

It's already cheaper then doing a monthly subscription so why would they make it even cheaper

[silent spindle]

@vagrant houndalready cheaper...works out that saving 20 nzd does not equate to loyal membership over 20 years on various accounts. To those saying we have only lost premier artifact is not important - saves many of us hours at divination spots (as an example) gathering to make porters for an hour of archeology. By the time you gather energy and make the secondary items needed - well that should be simple to calculate to be honest.

[hollow flame]

...or.... hear me out... you could do an hour or two pickpocketing Amlodd... pickpocketing changes mean you can actually target a single priff drop table reasonably

[silent spindle]

@hollow flametoo busy sucking up energy @ divination spots. and fairly sure there were other uses for other "loyal" and dedicated 12 month membership players.

[vale trout]

The new membership should've started in January not November, feels weird to have a roadmap release 2 months prior to the year starting. Or release a roadmap for a year 2 months after people paid for.

[lunar cobalt]

Its comparatively cheaper, all payment methods have increased in price.

[lunar cobalt]

100% AGREE .. I support the changes but you cant ignore that the result is removal of the rewards of many years playing the content we already paid for. We are still to hear anything on how we "long and loyal players' will have balance restored!

[molten coyote]

It feels nice making a new account and not feeling pressured to buy a whole year of membership so I can get some loyalty points for an aura to add to my daily scape.

Thankyou Jagex.

As for accounts iv done that on in the past, I know i am "losing" that investment but its for the better of the game so please do hack away and dont let any pay to play players divert you!

[hazy lake]

No, that is why i wrote "etc" as in "all the other stuff we are loosing" 🙂
Did you read the rest of my post? Did it give the impression that I was only worried about premier artifact?

[ruby dawn]

It did. We really didn't lose much as premier members unless this is about MTX. It's just the artefact and vault

[foggy drum]

I do feel that the premier membership price should be further reduced. It's often argued that it's still the best value, but this is not true for people with grandfathered rates. Cosmetics don't give tangible gameplay benefits useful unless you're hoping to win FashionScape contests.

[fading sphinx]

I think bonds are overpriced compared to membership

[hollow flame]

yes... they are supposed to be

[fickle lotus]

Pretty sure thats the design intent

[fading sphinx]

Might get more total sales (gross profit) if they were closer to normal members in price

[hollow flame]

the point is that they are inefficient route to membership if you are buying for yourself, so that instead you go put them on the GE

[fading sphinx]

Yeah my point is that they are too far off and may benefit if they moved prices closer to where 2 bonds=cost of one month of members

I think one month is currently 14 usd while bonds are 9usd per, dropping bonds to 7-8 usd per may increase overall profit via more sales by being closer to the actual price of membership

[hollow flame]

nobody is supposed to be buying bonds from Jagex to use for their own membership, they are supposed to be buying them to put on the GE so that other people can spend GP on membership. Therefore, they are not an efficient route to membership with USD by design

[fading sphinx]

I know

[swift knot]

Maybe grandfather members could get a bond , discount coupon or discount code, That expires if not used in a 6 months time or something.
But yeah, something

Or or … chat badge with a number on it, in relation to years constant years, 😄

[vagrant hound]

Sure but grandfathered rates shouldn't be considered for current prices. You already have the cheapest rates anyways. ( Yes i'd like even cheaper membership but ya'll are being unreasonable )

[devout bone]

what about all the time we spent on loyality points h/b livid farm ? Is our time worth nothing to them ? the only people who have benefited were those people who now are titled "the returned "

[weary hearth]

surely you can see that there's a quite fundamental difference between paying for a subscription to a game service, making use of that service and later balancing changes being made to that game; and paying for a subscription to a game service and then being unable to use that subscription at all due to a technical failure with the service provider

[hearty plank]

Lets keep things respectful when replying, or only give your constructive feedback on the topic only without replying to others.

(In relation to a deleted message)

[boreal beacon]

I had a thought. Why not make membership grant 100 RuneCoins monthly? Also could convert LP to RuneCoins at a ratio, that way we can continue to be able to buy Loyalty Points cosmetics which could cost RuneCoins. It'd help to minimize the disruption.

The upside of giving members 100 RuneCoins monthly is that it allows them opportunity to buy keepsake keys without additional costs if they are patient.

[fading sphinx]

That seems fair

[boreal beacon]

Could make the keepsake keys tradable even. Allowing it to be traded between players and sold on Grand Exchange. But that's outside the scope.

[fading sphinx]

That sounds awesome

[pulsar tundra]

Loyalty points cosmetics are being added as a free weekly rotation.

[fading sphinx]

I never liked cosmetics

[gray umbra]

since you guys removed boss instance cost what are you gonna do about this?

[vagrant hound]

Going to be removed from the shop and everyone will be happy about it

[split crescent]

You give us loyality points to spend on items freely, Auras was most popular since they did something. Remove the purchased auras, okay let us use the points on cosmetics instead then?, nope we putting it in a monthly draft that will take you even more years to collect!.
For records Theres estimated 155 Loyality points items to unlock thats 12,9 years presuming these items dont get mixed with runecoins or repeated.

[primal axle]

So we are still not getting any kind of reimbursement or point sink?

I have 6.6million loyalty points, as I never spent them waiting for the loyalty point rework that was mentioned ages ago that never happened, or more sales that also never happened. At a certain point it became a quick chat flex as I've never met anyone with more because I have almost All the points you could get, sans a few giveaways in the early years and like 100k I used to buy like 3 auras.

Can we get some kind of sink or unique title for having insane points?

[foggy drum]

Two ideas:

1. Reduction in portal retuning cost
2. Reduction in Slayer point cost when buying a new Soul Reaper assignment

[gray umbra]

hmm decent idea

[cerulean steeple]

The latter in theory isn't a thing given it's going to swap to infinite (unless you can buy to increase reaper point cap fro the week).
iirc portal cost is also changing?

[true olive]

Is the portal cost changing?

I thought it was just the instance cost

[cerulean steeple]

I might be thinking of various bonuses which make it free/reduced cost rather than a baseline adjustment tbf

[true olive]

There's so much change going on right now that I'm struggling to keep it all straight too, so no worries 🙂

[silent spindle]

For a start (please this is not finger pointing) So far Purchased with loyalty points 12 auras out of these only 5 have been mentioned as having possible replacements: example using pilfer points to purchase five finger discount. Replacement buffs being put onto: dragon harpoon, rod-o-matic (made with invention ) both available to higher level players or those comfortable with PvM (this should never be an issue). Vampirism being an unlock with Ancient spell book (and only a 12 minute duration compared to an hour) could I ask what happens if you are on normal spells and have no spell book swap?

The news page mentions refunds for auras purchased with bonds and one purchased from Wars Retreat BUT these have a time limit attached. What happens to loyal members who have had these purchased with loyalty points BEFORE the date mentioned- just because loyalty points are no longer - players should not be punished for owning membership.

Just mho on the subject (also I can imagine the active members - long term ones) who will depart from the game completely due to some of these changes.

Probably posted in wrong area sorry

[robust gull]

Well according to the statistics they gave us, a very minor % of the players used auras so I would argue you are probably wrong. Ancient spell book is not a difficult unlock. I just hope they can make the shop runs weekly or stock more runes seeing as they require many runes to upkeep

[weary hearth]

some long term players will quit

there are a LOT of veteran players who have accepted a lot of shit over the years because they've sunk cost fallacied themselves into thinking they can't stop playing for a period of time

however, I strongly believe that people who quit because of any of the recent updates actually have a slightly different problem where they struggle with admitting to themselves they might have had their tastes change such that RS is no longer for them, and the difficulty is that closing a chapter of one's life, esp for people with thousands of hours over years, is a v difficult decision

[normal river]

I disagree with the last statement.
A lot of people who are going to quit have, as you said, dealt with changes for a long time.
It's not that the player is changing, but RS has been changing over the years to such that it isn't what they love anymore. It's the reason OSRS was made, because the drastic EoC change was too much for a large portion of the game's playerbase.

But if people will leave now the reason will be for much more than that, but that it's getting to a point that their voices feel unheard, and everything they love about the game is slowly going away or changing in a way that they no longer resonate with.
Such as I have been feeling for a lot of the changes recently being put out, including this Premier 12 Month membership change. A lot of it feels like they're only listening to 1 side of the players and not bothing to listen to everyone.
Hell I can't even fathom why the UI change was necessary, the Legacy look was already an option, so why remove the blue as an option. There's just a lot of changes going on that make no sense and I feel like if they listened to everyone they would be able to find ways to appease both sides.

Like in this membership change they could find some way to keep the value of a Premier Membership without gutting it entirely, and still adding something that's equally valuable. The RuneCoins idea someone mentioned earlier was good, or keeping Premier Tokens as a thing so people can select specific outfits every year on their yearly refresh.
So many things they could've done, so many possibilities, yet I feel like they've been rushing this Roadmap that they are too eager to cut corners and not give any thought to what the players actually think about it.

[weary hearth]

I struggle to resonate with anything you're saying - to my mind if these people are seeing the game change such that it's no longer the game they fell in love with, they never actually loved RS because all of these changes are to systems which were inherently antithetical to Runescape's core. Appreciate that's something of a no true Scotsman argument so I'll expand with the same example you used - players upset about premier club are, to put it bluntly, upset about the lowered effectiveness of a p2w system (not keen to argue about the semantics of what's p2w and what's not - premier club and p2w stuff if not identical are problematic for exactly the same reasons). it might be the case that, actually, p2w-ness is what some people identify with Runescape - and that's fine - but I think continuing to pander to those players to the extent they have been over the past decade is going to doom the game to continued decline because it's totally dissimilar to why people generally like Runescape.

see also dailyscape - essentially, the gameplay-oriented reason and why daily login incentives can be a reasonable decision in some games is as a catch-up mechanic - but this is again moving away from a major part of what distinguished RS in the MMO marketplace in the form of offering semi-permanent progression such that it didn't matter whether a player had reached endgame or not, and therefore there was no point in enabling new players to catch up because being lower level did not in any sense mean they were behind.

for what it's worth, I have been somewhat outspoken about thinking that the value of currently active premier subscriptions should in some way be respected (personally, my preference was for them to offer pro-rata refunds for people who no longer wished to be subscribed as a consequence of changes made postsale), but I really struggle to understand the argument, especially one based on it being a loved part of the game, to retain prem beyond this year

further, and I think this is actually a really important point - the proposed changes are already a very, very big compromise in an attempt to appease both sides. the player who likes integrity-breaking design like what's being stripped out has had nothing but their way for a period of over a decade, and it's telling the amount of backlash which has come out of extremely timid changes which do very little to change that and could and should go several times further

[normal river]

So to touch on the "P2W" part, that's not the part most people hate about the Premier change. It's about the marketed value of what Premier was.
The price of the 12 Month membership hasn't changed. What's changed is what is included with it. Essentially you're paying the same price for less benefits that came with it.

Most people that care about the Premier don't care about what comes with it, so much as that there was nothing to replace what was gutted.
The Premier tokens are just cosmetics for example, so why did that need to go. The Premier Club Badge was something a lot of people who got the package loved using. Sure the Monthly Drop and LP were nice, but we also know those needed to go, and Ironmen didn't even have a use for most of the freebies aside from the cosmetics and free oddments.
IF they keep Premier tokens or add something of value to the Premier, doesn't have to be something P2W, I'm confident most people complaining about it would be happy with it.

But with the current changes, it's essentially taking from what people were already paying for and giving nothing back to replace them, essentially still paying the same price for less value.

[weary hearth]

I would argue better access to cosmetics for money (or by structuring payments in a particular way) is part of what I'm saying is bad for the same reason as direct xp sales fwiw - but appreciate I'm very fundamentalist about this and most people like me were driven from the game a long time ago

I need to go to bed - just wanted to clarify that any in-game reward being packaged with premier is inherently bad regardless of the kind of advantage it offers imo

if they offered a beanie hat to be shipped to the player's home, perfect/fine (doesn't have to be a beanie hat obviously - but the distinction is that it doesn't impact the player's in-game character at all)

[fading sphinx]

If they just held out on the changes until the last premier ran out in March 2027 there would be little issue

[weary hearth]

yeah I think that's quite a lot worse because it's leaving a problem in the game for longer. just offer refunds and there can be no reasonable complaint (obv that wouldn't happen for commercial reasons but iiwii)

[dusty kelp]

2. Not going to happen, because Reaper Assignments are going to become unlimited. You will not need Slayer Points for them anymore.

[pulsar tundra]

Not unlimited. But weekly. 7 a week instead of one a day

[normal river]

It wouldn't happen because thats like 100USD per person in value, and a lot of people will take issue with it in the first place lol.
Most people wouldn't care about needing a refund if the change was thought through and considered the value of what players are paying for.
Cosmetics for money isn't a big deal. XP/GP for money was. But there should be some kind of incentive to pay that 100 dollar lump sum over 15 bucks a month other than just getting a few dollars off.
(Because I'm gonna be honest, the amount you remove from the cost in exchange for the lump sum one-time payment per year, is offset by the tax that gets added to it instead, making it almost the same as per month anyway).

[silent spindle]

@normal river exactly what I think of the whole situation tbf I do not care if other players have a differing opinion as I stated in my post its just my opinion and they will (I've heard not a single positive) lose a lot of long term players and that is NOT just p2p.

[calm bane]

Sorry....what tax are you talking about? And assuming there is a tax on you anual purchase then that should imply a tax on the monthly purchase as well. So mathematically, you are still paying less for an anual subscription.

[coarse elbow]

depending on the state one is in, they tax anything and EVERYTHING, including subscription based services

[normal river]

Tax in certain regions.
And it’s also percentage which means larger purchase will be more tax than a smaller one.

[cerulean steeple]

Unless it's a variable % based on value, not the case. but that's the first occurence of subs being taxed I've ever heard of ngl

[calm bane]

Unless it is a variable tax and assuming one buys 12 monthly subs, then a fixed tax on the anual sub will be a smaller TOTAL tax payed compared to the TOTAL tax payed for 12 monthly subs, which is opposite to what the person above is claiming.

[normal river]

I love when people try to tell me how taxes work when they apparently don’t pay taxes on online purchases.
In the state of Georgia in my area, all online sales are 8% of the total cost. Yes that tax amount changes based on the total cost. No it’s not a fixed amount, it depends on what the sales is. This applies to everything including steam and RuneScape.
If I didnt know how it works I wouldn’t have brought it up

[cerulean timber]

Okay

[normal river]

Sorry if I sounded annoyed, but literally had two people imply that I was either dumb and didn’t know how it worked, or that I was lying.
And the sales cost is still relevant because it was part of my earlier feedback involving the cost not changing and still losing value on premier

[cerulean timber]

It is fine. You have said your piece on the matter. It is fine to just leave it at that

[hollow flame]

an eight percent sales tax is still cheaper on premier btw

[normal river]

My point is I’m paying an awful lot for nothing extra than membership and what incentive do I have to pay a chunk of money at once that rather than just a little per month (or not at all with how I feel the roadmap has gone so far)
I’m saying I feel no incentive to spend that big amount each year as I did before because it’s nothing special, and it’s still close enough to being similar to the monthly sub (about 2-3 bucks off per month) that I’d rather just do the monthly and not take big hits. Make sense?

Those extra incentives gave value that made the premier more enticing
And taking those incentives away, keeping the price the same, and adding nothing back feels like a ripoff

[outer grove]

You are welcome to subscribe monthly. If you play for 12 months subscribed monthly, you'll pay significantly more than 12 months up front. 12 month sub is essentially 'Buy 7 months, get 5 months free.' If you think you'll play for at least 7 months out of the year, it's better to get 12 month. If not, get monthly and sub and unsub as you see fit. You don't need the extras that came with Premier. You're paying for a sub to an amazing game.

[normal river]

That's kinda downplaying the point of this thread which is giving feedback dude.
I'm saying it feels like a ripoff to change what's in the package and leave it the same while adding nothing back. You're just saying "deal with it".
That's counter-productive to what this thread is about.

[calm bane]

Apologies for that but it also felt like you were pulling my leg implying I don't understand how percentages work. Clearly we misunderstood one another.
Anyway, I understand what you mean and how now it is basically a trade between a few bucks and being able to control your monthly subcription.

Not to mention that a lot of high end skilling changes are basically due to the end the year.

[calm bane]

Quite honestly, considering the amount of feedback given by players and that apparently decisions have already been made regarding premier and the loyalty points/store, it seems kinda pointless to say anything more on this topic.

[minor citrus]

Feels pointless to comment in any of these discussions as i'm pretty sure everything is set in stone as to what they are doing.

[sacred trellis]

Will there be any compensation for premier players for everything that you took from us.

I paid for all these extra benefits that I’m no longer getting. Why did I pay?

[stiff mural]

I just want to share my feedback as a Premier member. I absolutely love the roadmap and recent changes, no more MTX, the removal of auras, the option to hide cosmetics, reworked content, everything. These updates convinced me to subscribe after not playing for a few years, and I will definitely continue my subscription.

[sacred trellis]

I feel the complete opposite to this person. I’ve requested a refund and will not be renewing membership again. I’ve paid every year for 20 years. It ends now

[half dune]

Sorry to see you go. I agree with the person you're referencing. The main value in what was termed "premier membership" to me was always that it was cheaper than paying monthly for membership for the same period.

[sacred trellis]

They could have solved this by simply not providing premier anymore. Letting the current premier run out and then just not offer it anymore or a different product. I do not agree with the way they have gone about it.

They have not honoured there agreements with the playerbase and are just trying to keep a handful of players happy

[sacred trellis]

Not my fault you all don’t want to pay for everything that we did and get upset that you don’t have it as good.

But that’s the way of the world, people don’t want to do anything and then complain when people work hard to get ahead so they can have something for nothing

[half dune]

I used the premier buffs and benefits since 2016 and made use of them. I just always viewed those as "i should use these" instead of "this is why I paid for premeir."

[stiff mural]

My main reason as well! the discounted rate!

[fickle lotus]

I've got two premier membership and I don't care about the things going.

I agree with them, the value is in the discount.

[sacred trellis]

Sorry bro that still doesn’t change how I feel about it

[stiff mural]

You don't need to be so dismissive, we're just providing feedback like you are

[fickle lotus]

I'm not trying to change your mind. But your entire comment was arguing that "you don't want to pay for everything we did" and "get upset when you don't have it as good" and "people don't want to do anything then complain when peoplw work hard to get ahead".

Which is just weird, pretty sure everyone who disagree with you here also got premier.

[sacred trellis]

It’s not weird at all.

I pay for premier.

Everyone without premier cries they don’t have it as good.

Now premier gets changed and u wonder why we get upset.

I go to work to earn my disposable income that I choose to spend in RS membership. Now I don’t have all of the benefits I paid for because everyone who doesn’t want to pay for it gets upset and wants everything more even.

I never once said I don’t want to pay for anything, people do get upset that’s why auras and things are changing because they don’t want to pay for it and want it now.

I spent all the time and energy to get everything I have to have to removed to make other peoples life easier p

[sacred trellis]

Agree with this 100%

[fickle lotus]

Why do you keep saying we as if I'm not premier?

[sacred trellis]

Bro I used it once, is that all your getting from that. SMH.

By we I’m referring to everyone who agrees with my viewpoint, if you scroll up and read you’ll see I’m not the only one expressing this view.

Next question — Make this one a good one champ

[stiff mural]

Its wayyyy less than netflix or other (streaming service) (and still have to watch ads lmao!)

and I'm quite sure that you spend wayyyy more time on runescape than on those services. its an incredible value, even without the discounted rate

[normal river]

And I don't pay for Netflix because it's a predatory service imo.

But it's also irrelevant to the point.

The point of my earlier remark is:
We paid for a service when we bought premier. That was part of the incentives and the terms of the purchase.

Those benefits are gone, and they have not added anything back to replace what was gutted, nor has the price changed. I now have something that is less valued than what I paid for.
And I have zero incentive to do a renewal since said portions of the service I cared about are no longer in the package.
I don't do yearly subs unless I have an incentive for it that sets it apart from the monthly subs, because yes in the long term you might be paying less, but I'm not someone who likes to spend an upfront large sum of money for anything unless it has something I absolutely like. I liked the cosmetics and incentives from it. The price however is only a few dollars off from the monthly per month, and that's not enough incentive for me to pay up front that much money.

Think of it this way. To you the value is the membership. But every package has the membership.
There was extra value to be had in premier, and now it's the same price with less value in it. To me, that's a ripoff of the customers who were already paying for it. You would not see it any other way if it was any other service ripping features and benefits from their highest premium subscriptions. In fact your own example, Netflix, used to not have ads in their service, and now they do despite paying a premium for it.

[half dune]

I think our point is that the real benefit always was the discounted yearly rate when compared to paying per month, excluding grandfathered rates.

The additional perks were never enough to make the premeir membership override the monetary benefits for me. Maybe that is the case for you and NinjaOfPie, and I understand why the removal of premier and making the membership just yearly is upsetting from that standpoint.

I think you have expressed the position clearer without resorting to projecting about a mysterious "we hate premier" group.

[torn cedar]

They are just actively ignoring feedback at this point.

[mossy root]

Let's not go there - feedback in these threads is monitored both by Jagex (and Discord mods whom forward it to Jagex). Just because nothing may have changed the way some people wanted, doesn't mean it's ignored. As you can tell above, there are many different opinions about these topics - not everyone will be able to be satisfied with every change

[sacred trellis]

I don’t understand why the changes were made to something that had already been sold as x product.

The simple solution is to not offer that product anymore and when the people who paid for its benefits expired they won’t be able to renew because you no longer offer it!

Better than taking away what we paid for and expecting us to still be happy.

[fading sphinx]

I agree this is the better and safer way to do things

[normal river]

Let's just compare what we used to get to what we have now, yea?
Premier:

• Discounted Membership
• Full outfit set based on the cycle
• Pet based on the cycle
• Depending on the cycle sometimes an animation like a teleport
• 2 Premier Tokens for getting previous cycle rewards if you missed them
• Premier Vault each month (free rewards) *
• Monthly Drop (free rewards) *
• Free Boss Instance
• 100 Bank Spaces
• VIP Worlds
• Extra TH Key per day *
• Artifact that gives benefits 4 different buffs you can use daily *
• Huge chunk of LP at once and monthly.
• Chat badge to show off

Now:

• Discount on Members
• Free Outfit (Just this Cycle)
• Free Pet (Just this Cycle)
• Supposedly November we might start getting new cosmetics but they haven't elaborated
• 100 Bank spaces for 1 time purchase but if you already have it you don't have to maintain 12 month memberships

Note how much you lose. Even if we exclude the things that encompass the P2W stuff like TH and XP/GP rewards (marked with a *) We still lose value immensely.

I shouldn't even include the 100 Bank spaces in the Now section because anyone who's already done it once doesn't even have to renew again because it's unlocked forever after one 12 month purchase, even if you revert back to monthly.

I didn't include Boss Instances in the Now because that's no longer a unique benefit to 12 Month, it's to all members regardless of package

And it's really hard to claim that "the main thing was always discounted membership" when the literal front page of the Premier Membership purchase always made sure that you knew those other benefits are part of it, on every step of the purchasing, and on every step of the marketing.
"12-Month Premier Membership includes new outfit, weapons, pet, and much more!"
So no it definitely wasn't always just about the discount, because that's not even part of their marketing for Premier to say it's discounted before this change.

That is to say, I'm glad you're happy with just a discount, but it's important to understand that not everyone who purchased that package only did it for the discount, as there was clear marketing for other benefits and incentives that made the package valuable to them compared to the price-point, and several of us myself included, feel like what we paid for is no longer as valuable since it was gutted.

As other people have pointed out, they should have at the very least let this cycle finish to the end before gutting it and making the package worth less to the people who already had gotten it for this cycle. Before they announced this proposed change, I literally had just renewed my membership a couple months prior. It would've at least allowed people who cared about it the time to make use of it the way it was intended/marketed. I mean afterall. The people who are in possession of the P2W proteans and other skilling supplies are getting to keep and use what they paid for until 2027...

[dusty kelp]

<.< Actually if you wanna make that point, Jagex is already depreciating and removing several MTX items early, like Soul Reaper Refreshes, Deathtouch darts, Auras and wicked hood teleport tabs potentially... theyre definitely trying to yank the rug on those prematurely as well. Cant even wait till May when most people would burn them anyways...

[viral ether]

I agree with what you have mentioned in your comment here.

Since 2020, I have been an annual Premier subscriber, but I also started playing the game when it was launched, so I have seen a lot of things change over that time.

This shift however is painfully destructive, and as a result, I have told Jagex to cancel my auto renew (their website would not let me do it myself, but that’s another legal issue waiting to happen..)

I have also pointed out to who who have trolled me here that Premier was more than just a discount, and given that Jagex is continuing to gut it, I have no choice now but to request a refund as what they are providing now is not at all what I purchased.

Jagex has gotten themselves into a hot mess here as they continue to go against Consumer Rights.

[north blade]

Against consumer rights? I don't know about that. Right, I'll play the devil's advocate. It's not like they'd do all these changes without having consulted their legal team around the removal and what they have to do not to be liable in legality stuff like consumer rights.

I get that nobody likes getting less when they have been getting more, but I'm fairly certain that the only thing you are outright purchasing when you buy membership is exactly that, membership. Everything else have just been sugar on top they've been giving to sweeten the deal and give incentive, sugar that they are now removing to make it very clear that the entire idea with 12-month (former premier) membership is a gool ol' case of "bulk order price reduction". I can't imagine that they don't have specific sections in their "I agree"-box policy when you buy the package that the rest are exactly that, benefits that may change or be removed at their discretion...

[normal river]

I mean my thoughts weren't leading to legalities like the other, but if you want to be technical..

Under UK law all transactions are considered a form of contract and all that goes into that purchase couldn't be retracted until the end of it without some form of compensation. So... If we were going down that route, they do actually have a bit of a hot potato on their hands for that.

Am I gonna pursue that? Nah. That wasn't the point of my feedback. But that isn't to say someone else won't, cause it absolutely could.

But again their marketing for Premier was far more "incentive-heavy" than the actual membership itself.

[north blade]

I'd expect there to be some sort of compensation to be put in place yeah - but even so, is that law you refer to adamant or is it something that through a policy agreed to at purchase by the consumer, can be 'waived' or otherwise 'modified'? You've got some laws that stand as 'inalienable rights' sure but most laws tend to be quite conditional and very much 'defintional'

[normal river]

UK is usually very strict in that form and usually unable to be bypassed or "waived" away.
When a purchase is made, you agree to the terms that are available at the time of purchase, not what changes get made along the way.

Jagex's policies do have a portion that says things may change in their terms and services, but UK law overrides those kinds of policies due to consumer protection laws. After all if those were overridable, companies could abuse it in many ways.

Keeping in mind that Jagex follows UK laws

[north blade]

I expect that's precisely what a lot of companies already do, though.
Guess the question here is whether someone's willing to go through the inital legislative stuff just to be compensated with a free month of membership or smn

[rain zodiac]

I feel like the value proposition is cheaper membership and everything else is a bonus perk, and removing bonuses is 🤷 from that point of view. Honestly I don't remember all of the terms, it's been a long time 🙈 But Jagex are smart and would have consulted from that angle before publishing anything.

Just a heads up that it's been asked before by discord mods to not get into the legalities of it here tho' (see this comment I'm replying to)

[pulsar tundra]

Guys. People have been told no legal discussion in here multiple times.
Probably not the best idea.

[north blade]

Sorry, haven't seen that be declared before - and as I'm sure people understand, I've not gone back and read through the entire post :p Fair enough, legality-topic out

[normal river]

Either way, my point always has been it just feels scummy to remove services that were already paid for, and they should've waited til the end of this Premier cycle if they were gonna make those kinds of changes, because now a lot of people who paid for it on the promise of those extra services had it taken away from them.

Trust me a lot of us don't all just care about the membership, if I cared only about it I'd be going the short-term cheaper route and buying it monthly. I don't usually like paying a large sum for anything unless there's something I like involved. And most of those things are being removed from the Premier I already paid for 😛
So I just won't renew under premier since there's no incentive for me to do so.

[north blade]

I do get that - but I also understand that it'd be extremely paralyzing for Jagex if they were to adhere to that, having to wait an entire year from the last purchase of a premier membership after declaring what will no longer be part of it, especially in this case where a lot of the benefits provided are part of systems/things in the game that are on a separate field standing on their own being removed/changed, not directly specified to just premier.

I do think it's only fair for them to somehow compensate people by providing something else in its place, but I also think it's fair to give them some time to figure out the proper way of doing that. They are moving fast right now to lay a new foundation upon which to build a more 'down-to-gielinor' game after all

[normal river]

Well that's actually the problem. They're too eager to rush this out that it feels like they haven't actually thought things through and are cutting corners. We can see that from the other updates they have planned and have already been brought out. Like why did the UI change need to happen when there was already an option for both themes, why did one need to be removed? The regrounding project got postponed, likely due to the backlash against the poorly thought designs they introduced. And now the premier changes right after a mass-purchase of their most recent cycle.

The problem is they're moving too fast for their own good and making mistakes because of it.

[north blade]

Except that's the thing, isn't it. They're moving fast, but they are involving the community in the moves in ways and to an extent that's just not been seen before in RS3's history..
The UI change might've been undercooked but at the same time, what better way to gather feedback on such a significant change than to literally have the entire community get it and point out all the finnicky stuff/where they missed the mark or forgot something.
Bugs with the UI aside, since many such can arise that didn't during QA/inhouse testing. They clearly wanted to release the UI at the same time as TH removal to really establish the scale of their ambition to create an entirely new epoch of the games' RL history.

The regrounding project much like you mentioned got postponed and isn't in the game because people gave feedback on it.

I personally don't think they've made many mistakes so far, so much as been burning all the oil like crazy to get 'brainstormed' concepts out there and using the community as a tool to gauge the appropriate courses of action.
It's natural that such brainstorm concepts will look rushed or unplanned, that doesn't mean it's mistakes. If anything, we're seeing the human side to the process - and being involved in it like never before, and in a way that's quite frankly unprecedented.

After all the years of having the players gamble, it's now Jagex that are taking a major gamble in order to try to create a much better future for the game. What we as the community needs to do is to be constructive and help guide them in the right directions. Is the process they're using right now looking "unprofessional" or "sloppy", sure it does! But at the same time, I as a consumer have never felt as heard before by the devs of a game as I do right now, and I appreciate that far more than some stoic keeping-it-100%-safe non-communications.

Lots of stuff are changing and quickly, certain things will be received better than other things, feedback will be given, and hopefully the feedback helps them see all the pot-holes and fill them in properly along the way. Maybe they don't have everything figured out right off the bat when they drop dev blogs etc but isn't that kind of the point of asking people what they'd like?

[normal river]

See everything you say makes sense, except one crucial part:
Jagex has always involved us through polls and surveys, which they have been releasing recently, but the problem is the parts they're releasing that get backlash are obviously not what they're making polls and surveys on.
Wouldn't it be easier to release polls in every community hub they have showing things and gauging interest instead of putting them in the game to see how much backlash they get before walking it back or making changes?

Like with the regrounding project, if they had released that as is, there would be a ton more backlash. It's good they only showed what was there first to see how people react.
But they didn't do that with Premier or the UI change.
What they could, and honestly should, do is all these big polarizing changes be put into a poll here in Discord, on Reddit, on Steam even in game (make use of those Poll Booths dammit, they're there for a reason), and allow more players to see it before actually just implementing it and seeing what sticks.
That is the difference between now and in the past though, yes they're involving us but they're also doing it in a way that it feels like they're just throwing crap out and seeing what sticks, rather than actually getting our thoughts on it.

[rain zodiac]

Some of the benefits we're 'losing' are just being made a default feature in the game which is honestly even better than it just being a prem' perk imo - like:

• free boss instances which is the best possible outcome imo. Rather than 1 per day, it's an infinite per day. That's a huge buff to the base membership offering.
• the early game rebalance buffed some of the slower skills like agility that I'd use the +10% premiere artifact for, and I have confidence that'll carry into the mid- and late-game rebalances too. If the baseline is +10% on the less enjoyable skills, that's a win imo
• the cosmetics+ package sounds like it'll replace the premiere tokens + upfront cosmetics + pet, and the loyalty points going away means that the base membership offering will give those items (as mentioned in the aura blog, they'll be freebies for members, hopefully alongside and not instead of the current monthly solomon's freebie)

I have to agree that Player Power Polls are something I miss a lot. So many cool things popped up in those and the discussions and such that spawned from them I remember being mostly fun.
Idk if we'd make the right choice regarding integrity choices though. 😛 I know I'd be pretty selfish voting for "yes I want to keep these perks I have" even though it's ultimately better for the game to rip 'em out.

[normal river]

Well see that's the thing, it's all well and good to add those perks into the game as a baseline feature, no one's gonna argue that more for the entire community as a whole is a good thing. But when you have a portion of the community paid for those things are part of their package, and literally just recently I might add, it stands to reason that there should be something given back to those who got that package for those specific perks that were ripped away.
That's also not considering that this entire roadmap mantra has been "Giving player choice back to the players", whereas so far the updates have been removing choices rather than giving.
And that's okay to be selfish about it, the point would be to put a poll out to see what players want. If majority want that, then great that's the reason to appeal to your community. If majority votes against it, then sure it can be removed.
But it still feels like they're going against what they promised at the start of this roadmap, and so far at least in my eyes, it's just been one disappointment after another lol

Though I am excited for the supposed Dungeoneering changes, and have been happy with the combat changes, those were the only things so far that I liked out of this roadmap.

[rain zodiac]

Dungeoneering is exciting and I've liked combat too, feeling way stronger is nice!
I've largely liked the thieving changes, am also quite happy to say goodbye to wildy events.
Some of the other stuff I care less for, was never very diligent on using my wicked hood or visiting stores daily.
I've liked the community aspect of the travelling merchant. The produce requirements for livid farm coming down I'm happy for so fewer people have to suffer through that 😂

I'll stop there, don't think this is the thread to go too deeply into that kinda thing.

[mossy root]

#1479454465256980501 feel free to give direct feedback on dg in this thread ^

[normal river]

Ye I know, just was pointing out that out of all the roadmap things so far, that and combat changes were the only things I liked out of it so far. Was mostly just a passing mention.

[north blade]

Their previous polling/surveying has been less open/direct in the way that we're seeing them be right now.

I think a lot of people praise 'polling everything' but something that's important with a game is also to sometimes make decisions/choices that might launch to peoples' critique in the beginning because if you don't do that, you hogtie the developers in a completely other way. As players I'm sure we might feel it's better they be hogtied by us rather than corporate, but at the end of the day there needs to also be creative liberty for them to.. well, be creative.
What I'm trying to say here is that I don't believe in the situation or solution to be "one or the other" but rather with nuance. I think the choice they made with the UI is one situation in which they rightfully followed their vision for the future look of the game.
Did they get a ton of backlash over the UI change? Yes.
Did they also get a ton of praise over the UI change? Yes.
A lot of people were pleasantly surprised by it, and I think having surprise updates is also an important tool of excitement.
I know a lot of people critiqued not having the option of using the old UI look etc but I personally do feel that their argument for the visual identity and consistency re. look/design to be very valid.

The premier changes to me seem like a case of "we're removing all these things, as a result of it a lot of the premier benefits will be essentially nullified. Now - we can add a lot of new benefits to compensate, or we can take this opportunity to establish it for what it is supposed to be - a good membership deal, not P2W or P2Convenience or flex somehow"

I also genuinely believe that polls/polling is a system that's very much vulnerable to interference when you don't have serious integrity-checking in place, and where there's a way to manipulate the system, people will do so to get their way, such as using a lot of bot accounts or the making of a lot of 'fake' emails/accounts to skew the votes etc.

The way they're currently doing it for RS3 is more of an "ear to the ground" kind of ordeal, it's not that difficult for them to see what the community is heavily reacting to and how/with what alternative suggestions for solutions etc, and I believe it's the better way for them to do it with regards to retaining creative freedom and gauging player response, whilst also being provided with some extra ideas/possible ways of doing things in a way that they might not have thought of internally (because they are a limited amount of ppl vs a lot of players)

The reason it 'sort of' works for OSRS, I suspect, is because of the benefit of the relative simplicity of the game allowing for a much quicker pipeline between start of a project 'til end of it. Much simpler artstyle just to give one example. I'd imagine trying to give the same kind of 'show of concept' or w/e to have people properly understanding what you are suggesting/asking for in the polls in RS3 would require a lot more work and subsequently risk wasting a lot more time, sometimes because people might not even really understand what it is that you're suggesting in the first place..

[rain zodiac]

Imo polls are best when it's either:

• a choice between all good options like when we had polls to pick between different pet options which were all good (like, the greedy magpie, Richie won their poll, but I'd be just as happy if it was the other options), or
• when there is no 'right' way forward - they genuinely don't know what the right approach is and there are discrete choices. I think here there was a way forward but much more nuanced discussion / feedback was needed (like the 202...4? MTX survey) which a simple poll couldn't have gotten

Also liked that the scope was limited on the player power polls as to who could vote sometimes - like poll questions about comp cape req's were limited to only cape-havers or people of a high enough total level or something (I believe that was if reaper crew should be removed?), and ironman-specific things were limited to ironfolks (think they had one around event rewards and if they should be able to do group bossing)

[swift knot]

Here ya go, I’m happy to help

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[sacred trellis]

Let’s keep it on topic please.

I’ll be submitting a full refund request. I paid for a product and they are not providing the product I paid for.

I am not against making changes for the better of the game.

But I’m not paying a massive lump sum of money for a specific product to then have that product gutted so all the benefits are gone.

A few people here think that people being upset about the changes means we don’t want change, of course we want change, who doesn’t want everything to be better!

Do it when the cycle ends though.

[north blade]

I'd rather they refund or offer something else than wait an entire extra year to start changing stuff, by all means you do you

[sacred trellis]

That is also fine by me.

As stated prior I’m not against changes, especially in a positive direction, as long as it’s actually positive and not just catering to the needs of the few, destroying the game that so many have enjoyed for so long.

[torn cedar]

I’m glad they are making changes to the game too but it’s at the expense of paying customers since Premier came out. I bought premier since release with the expectation that there would added benefits in doing so. Don’t come at me and others about the whole “well it’s cheaper” argument. Again, that was expected since it came out. People liked the added benefits. My premier auto renewed just before these changes were announced and can’t get a refund.

[mellow hearth]

100% agree with everything you've said.

I think the people 'disagreeing' are being a bit disingenuous with their replies, as they are completely neglecting to see the points you are making regarding the perks of Premier the way they were originally promoted.

I am one of the ones who made the decision to spend my money on premier because I found further value in the added perks of the package, besides the 'discounted' membership. Those added perks swayed me to spend a good chunk of money towards the package, instead of a monthly membership that I could cancel and renew at will.

Premier locks in my membership for the year, if I dont play or cancel - do I get a refund? NO.

So yes, while the membership is cheaper, I cannot cancel it at will or pause for long periods of time if I dont play unlike "regular membership". This take of "youre getting a discounted rate" is fully disconnected from the vast majority of how people actually play and use membership irl. We arent on 24/7. We will take long breaks.

Saying that the two membership packages were alike is fundamentally wrong on every level because they serve two completely different clientele. Now, along with all the other changes that @normal river has listed above, our loyalty to the game, to Jagex, etc is being viewed as a bad thing. And in a post I made last week, I feel extremely disrespected as a loyal consumer to Jagex for years, even putting up with many of the other questionable decisions theyve made over the years.

Ultimately, since my membership isnt being valued any longer - I am also one who has decided to let my membership expire after my current premier expires and I will not be renewing it. I'll spend my money with people who value me for loyalty, and have additional incentive to earn my business -- not catering to the loudmouths on Reddit.

[sacred trellis]

I agree

[devout bone]

I agree as well ,Now many of us do also but, what can we do about this quit ?I say No way! IDK about anyone else but I have put more money into this game and time which to me is worth more at some points than the money or at least equal to, to just stop playing .this wont get our message across! Tell me would EOC flew over as well with the PVM community if it started as it id now ? I don't think players like evil Lucario would be able to blindfolded ,kill Telos for example .There would be a lot and is a lot more sweaty game play now. I used to be excited about road maps and future content . Now I'm really afraid I am going to try and log in one da and RuneScape is just going to be gone!

[north blade]

I think it's disingenuous to throw out stuff like 'catering to the few' or 'destroying the game' though. It's like doomsaying the end of the world because the hotel stopped putting a piece of chocolate on the pillow.

They are straight up changing things around stuff the community have been consistently complaining about for years on end, supported by the fact that the stuff is, speaking on a community level, dead content. They're not taking life away from the stuff that's enjoyable in the game to most players, they are just adding life back into things that have been pain points of the community for like a decade+..
I don't see how the loss of a few premier perks is going to 'destroy the game'..

This to say, that this is actually positive for the long term, not just catering to a few, and the vast majority of the lost premier perks are directly as a result of them being very much connected to/using all the bad stuff

[vagrant hound]

If anythign jagex is helping you save money you would spend while not using those perks anyways 😛

[foggy drum]

Was the decision to remove the premier artifact and Premier Vault a last-minute change?
I don't recall it being mentioned until the week before TH was removed.

[sacred trellis]

Every reply you make is disingenuous. You cherry pick two words and write a novel about it.

You also consistently try to change the topic or create an argument that isn’t there.

Like I said I’m down for change.

This is not how you implement it.

[north blade]

My 'cherry pick' is specifically because in the particular message I make it pretty clear that 'fearmongering' or hyperbole isn't constructive, but a common strategy of significantly embellishing an argument, often without basis in reality.

Yes, it is clear we disagree and should agree to do so, because I don't consider this implementation of it to be such a big deal.
I want to see the changes and I want to see those changes ASAP, not have them be forced to wait out a relatively speaking arbitrary period of time just to let a few barely-utilized bonuses see maybe-use by a significant minority of the players (vast majority of players doesn't have premier).
I don't know what about this that fulfils the claim of 'argument that isn't there' but I'd say it's a pretty solid argument to cater to the majority of the players. You don't have to like it, but what about that logic is unreasonable?

[sacred trellis]

Once again going off topic repeatedly.

It’s not fearmongering. Many people have written in here and elsewhere that they are not happy with the way this was implemented.

I’m not fear mongering it’s facts. Games appeal to the few in the short term. This is why necro was realeased and so poorly, but I digress that for another topic altogether.

You’re attempting to devalue the product a lot of us paid for and act like it was not significant.

The changes to PREMIER are significant. To the point where one would argue PREMIER should have not been marketed and sold in the manner it was.

They have effectively discontinued the product halfway through the designated time frame I purchased it for and you want everyone who paid this lump sum to just be happy and get over it?

No.

I have not agreed with a vast majority of the pointless statements you have made and you continuously divert the topic away from PREMIER membership.

[mellow hearth]

Agree with your post, and I do think Azaldie is going way off topic, while ignoring the significant changes to premier and losing many of the benefits we signed up for in the first place.

@north blade you should honestly apologize for your statements.

[cerulean timber]

Y’all

Stop

We don’t need the back and forth arguing

[supple pawn]

I do think it's fair to say that Jagex acknowledges that Premier was literally the best option for you to get a tooon of extra added value on top of the great price, but that left all the other options for membership completely in the dust, especially for people who might just want to try out the game or aren't sure they'll stick around for a whole year. It's a nice gesture to add these perks into core membership itself and give people less fomo to choose between payment plans

You'll still have access to a bunch of perks just cuz you're a member, which is great for everyone, and the 12 month deal still is great price wise