Updates to Premier Membership Benefits

[wary mirage]

Gotcha gotcha. Basically only applies to strictly monthly then

[candid lake]

on a technicality, you can buy a 12 monther without prem and have the reduced pricing but its not premier membership. its still in the "monthly" type category

[daring gull]

yep, you got that right

[viral ether]

Also! If the Premier is going to have zero benefits/perks, will the price be reduced to reflect these changes? Why should I pay nearly £80 a year when it is being stripped to nothing?

[cerulean steeple]

Because it's still ~30% less than monthly sub. You're paying less already.

[wary mirage]

Maybe we should scrap it all and stick with purely monthly. Any other MMOs do more than a month?

[outer grove]

The benefit is cheaper membership over the course of a year.

[cerulean steeple]

Most MMOs/sub models tend to offer longer than month options, just with decreasing cost per month the longer the period you go for. Which is what Premier is doing (Plus some free cosmetics)

[viral ether]

But in the past five years I have paid for it, I have had other benefits.

[outer grove]

You can hate the change, decide to move to a monthly subscription and then pay more over the course of a year. That's your choice.

[daring gull]

If you plan to play the game regularly for like at least 8 or 9 months of the year, Premier or the now 12-month membership option is the better choice

[deft haven]

If they remove my grandfather rate I'm gone. That would be the nail in the coffin for me and many others who have played a long time.

[wary mirage]

Unless investors are going "hey we want more money now regardless" perhaps a flat monthly rate for everyone would be best cause then they won't be losing money and won't need to discount

[cerulean steeple]

There's been 0 indication they're planning to do it. I'm aware it's a hot take but hey.

[exotic sorrel]

Unless you're on a grandfathered rate. It's now 50% more for the same product for me. I paid more for benefits I only got for a 4th of the time.

[dusk zinc]

Well said Charlie sir!

Seriously jagex!??!
You wait till we reup our premier membership and I go to remove my artifact one day... look to see i still have my chat badge, sure do!
In cc:Where's my artifact?!?
Clannie cc: They just removed it
Me in cc: yells in the most respectful way!

Our monthly rewards thing had gone down the crapper even since 2 years ago. We deserve the good benefits which we paid for. Over 2 years worth!
We knew th was going away but I didn't know it was going to be so sudden. That's on me. But premier bonus keys, bonus monthly thing, premier portal, daily challenges bonuses, artifact were all reasons why I kept resubscribing for premier!

You guys Seriously don't give a crap what us premier folks want. You've made that very clear that LOYALTY isn't in your vocabulary.

Don't listen to the folks complaining about "I'm glad they're taking everything that helps balance the game for you busy people with jobs and families".
Seriously, it WAS helping me stay somewhat together with my friends xp wise and what not.

Premier artifact was a real low blow.
You guys wanna focus on cosmetics but make it to where people can turn them off completely. I thought yall were just going to have dedicated worlds with no cosmetics? What the fluff happened with that?! Make that the thing if you want us to spend money on *whispers. * you didnt hear that from me.

Cheaper membership over the year? You mean even us that should have been "grandfathered in" for the price, (which i wasn't and jagex hello?!?) Sorry off topic. But cheaper membership for a year...yeah you got that right. Cheap. Rug pulls for real.

Give us our portal back, or very importantly and most of all, and really mainly PREMIER ARTIFACT.

[viral ether]

I could… but as I mentioned earlier, I have played RS since it was launched. So far, the only “support” I get here are snarky and sarcastic comments.

Jagex needs to listen to those who are willing to pay annual fees and look after them if they want to continue expanding, hitting KPIs.

[viral ether]

[cerulean steeple]

Or do they need to listen to the people who view Premier as an unfair advantage over those who can't afford to/don't wish to buy bulk subscription at any given time, who're also players and actually providing more revenue per month played due to the non-discounted rates. (Or their own view on game integrity)

[outer grove]

I just don't get it, guys. I'm sorry.

[wary mirage]

💯

[fickle lotus]

premier artifact has been gone for over a month

[viral ether]

I completely agree with what you’ve said here!

[cerulean steeple]

Tbh I can see the complaints over Artifact (Despite it being more problematic) than any of the things being removed now

[wary mirage]

And without warning too. The exact month I renewed

[dusk zinc]

Exactly, ive been playing since its near inception, rifht after "mudd" beta

[exotic sorrel]

If you bought a car, paid extra for a year of cleaning, and then were told thst only actually lasted 3 months would you not be annoyed? Because that's what Jagex is doing if you had a grandfathered rate and still bought premier.

[wide belfry]

I don't really get why monthly drops are being removed at all

[fickle lotus]

84% in the survey around comsetic free worlds asked for a cosmetic toggle, it was one of the most popular requests in any of the surveys. I am really fond of that option.

They also said during the cosmetic free world experiment that they were unlikely to have worlds be the final solution, and toggles were far more likely.

[viral ether]

Same! Since 2020, I have paid for the annual sub but I have cancelled the auto-renewal already.

I really dislike how Jagex is mistreating those who pay them the most!

The annual subs is what allows Jagex to plan budgets and workflows; killing that off is madness.

[cerulean steeple]

If you bought a car, paid 25% less and also got free cleaning on top of it and then they discontinued the cleaning? No, I wouldn't be annoyed because I bought the car for the discount not for the free cleaning.

[exotic sorrel]

I paid 50% more

[fickle lotus]

I'm not here to insult anyone.

[steep radish]

My disappointment in many aspects of the newspost is large... I think the most urgent question is how much my next Premier is due to cost?

"An Updated Identity
As we have done when representing our vision for the future of the game, it’s only right we represent the shift in the approach to 12 Month Memberships clearly and transparently too.

Following the upcoming changes to Premier benefits, we will be rebranding Premier Membership to 12 Month Membership.

It should be clear 12 Month Memberships are predominantly about great value through the content and services we deliver, just like Monthly Memberships, but with a significant discount vs Monthly Memberships."

So, significant discount... About £20 for the year then?

[wary mirage]

Maybe all of this is a smokescreen for them to go "look guys we're losing money! We HAVE to bring back Treasure Hunter now!"

[outer grove]

You DON'T pay them the most though, Premier is the CHEAPEST option for membership. That's the point.

[cerulean steeple]

Unless grandfathered which is their loyalty system functionally at this point

[exotic sorrel]

That's my point. Buying a year now went up by 50% for nothing in return. I can't buy a year at my grandfathered rate

[cerulean steeple]

Okay, so... buy the individual months at the grandfathered rate then which equates to being cheaper for the same thing?
You're no longer "locked in" to buying the more expensive option in order to get the meagre benefits from it, you can now benefit from your grandfathered rate.

[exotic sorrel]

It went from being two different products to the same product but one costs me 50% more

[silk magnet]

So then you buy the cheaper of the 2 and ignore the 50% more cost option, whats the problem there?

[fickle lotus]

No reason to do conspiracy here. Isn't it kinda clear its going for the same reason TH is going, to minimize sources of buyable power?

[exotic sorrel]

Because they're removing 8 months of what I already paid them more for

[deft haven]

You can't claim **Integrity **at the same time as you plan on trashing the Members Loyalty Program without compensating us for the millions of points. Oh and taking away what we got like auras

[viral ether]

You don’t seem to be listening to what I have written above.

The Premier users who
opt in for the year allow Jagex to plan budgets. So in respect, Premier subscribers do pay the most value to Jagex.

[wary mirage]

In my opinion: follow the money. Not the loudest wanting attention

[exotic sorrel]

Replacing it with a fomo system instead of a timegate for the cosmetic items

[steep radish]

Premier has never been the cheapest for me... I bought it for the perks... As they are going and it's now being pushed as the cheapest... I'm curious how cheap

[wary mirage]

Who knows. I watch too much X-Files lol I like to think of every angle no matter how stupid

[outer grove]

What would you like out of them? A cash value assigned to each Loyalty Point?

[cerulean steeple]

What's integrity based about the Loyalty program? You've been subbed for many years, you've had access to the auras for all that time if you chose to use them. You can now use them to buy a bunch of cosmetics/titles before the system is removed.

[candid lake]

we dont need this please

[outer grove]

Premier has always been cheapest option over monthly, except for those with a grandfathered rate.

[silent violet]

Stop

[exotic sorrel]

They're replacing the cosmetics side with a fomo system. It's not any better

[steep radish]

Which I have. It's never been the cheapest for me, so I need a reason to continue with it

[frank inlet]

that literally makes no sense. premier has always been the cheapest. you are being discounted for bulk. this is not a new concept

[dusk zinc]

I dont know why that just sent again... gosh dang it my discord does that for some reason.
I was going to apologize about that too after it deleted. I swear I did not send that again.
Sorry kobra

[deft haven]

I want at very least what I already bought with them but they are removing the auras and the ones I use the most are not being added back in anyway such as the wisdom and Jack of trades

[outer grove]

Then you can rejoice and never sub to 12 month again! You now can take full advantage of your amazing rate!

[steep radish]

I'm paying more per month with Premier...

[viral ether]

Agreed! Without the other benefits, the sub cost has to be cut to reflect those changes. If not, I won’t renew.

[daring gull]

The numbers work out that if you plan to play regularly for 6 months, 6-month-membership is the economical choice. If you plan to play regularly for at least 9 months, the 12-month-membership option becomes the economical choice and at a full 12 months, Premier/12-Month becomes the clear winner

[exotic sorrel]

My grandfathered rate is $5. A year of it is $60. Premier is $100. It's over 50% more for a year for me. I paid that for the premier benefit and only received a 4th of them this year.

[frank inlet]

then don't...? and take advantage of your grandfathered rate...?

[candid lake]

im surprised its 14 usd. I forgot about this

[dusk zinc]

Yeah auras are great in my opinion. Some folks have made good points on how they can be changed but I like them how they are...
I was proud to be a loyal customer for real 😦

[silent violet]

Again, as has been mentioned many times today on this channel this is a feedback channel not a spot to argue with players motives / judgement.

Make different choices is not useful feedback (directed at players*)

[dusk zinc]

Yes I just apologized

[deft haven]

Yep me too but I can see now it means nothing to the ppl in charge now.

[fickle lotus]

A quick look at premier changes:

• Instance cost (once a day free for premier) is changed to (we're removing instance costs in the game). This is just a straight better deal for everyone.

• Regardless of how aura system would be treated, auras for loyalty points was slate to be changed anyways. Even a bare minimum approach to addressing the system would have seen auras removed from said store and moved into the game, same way wars retreat did the 5 auras. We're not doing a bare minimum approach, however, and are redistributing them without tying them down to slot. The loyalty point system for auras was one of the more hostile systems for new and returning players.

• VIP world becoming normal world functionally change nothing.

• Unless I misread the blog, people will get paid out the monthly drops and premier tokens they're owed.

• Premier club badge is going. Not a major thing, allow slight decluttering due to not needing space in UI for toggle again.

I don't really see much here that I wouldn't classify as better for game health and the average player? I am a veteran and I got all auras unlocked and everything, but I don't see why I should feel betrayed here.

[dusk zinc]

Okay well you're free to your opinion...

[frank inlet]

yes agreed. renaming premier to 12month also clears up any ties to any additional benefits like the artifact

[silent violet]

I think you're (Kobra)misreading the blog on monthly drops

The way I read is that you're getting ones you haven't claimed (but are available) not that aren't otherwise available

[candid lake]

free on the rotational right?

[silent violet]

I don't think they're personally that valuable that it's a huge difference but mechanically that's how I read it.

[viral ether]

This! Thank you.

I am pretty new to this server, but any time I leave comments I get swamped by comments along the lines of “Quit playing then.”

It’s not helpful at all.

Just so I know, do all of the official helpers and mods here have a crown/symbol after their name? I ask as it’d be good to know so I can ignore the trolls.

[fickle lotus]

I might. Its unclear what "remaining unclaimed monthly drops" mean. Unclaimed for the year, or just if you've not claimed that months? Should have some clearer language there.

[weary hearth]

people on grandfathered rates try not to mention it for 5 minutes challenge (difficulty level: IMPOSSIBLE)

[dusk zinc]

Agreed

[wary mirage]

I've lived long enough to see the birth and death of Premier but not threshold drop rates for all logs. Feels bad

[silent violet]

I think it's pretty clear? Like if it's April and you haven't collected January through March those are unclaimed. May isn't unclaimed because may hasn't happened yet

[dusk zinc]

That kind of thing is what darthmagus was talking about

[quaint mason]

So am i getting reimbursed something for whats been gutted or do i get the option of a refund?

[silent violet]

Yes a crown and an M. Just click on the profile image too and it shows roles

[viral ether]

Great to know, thanks again.

[quaint mason]

Dont feel like theres been a like for like value replacement drom this email

[mossy root]

Hey Celeste. Those of us with the pink Crown are Discord Moderators, we help make sure the chat is friendly, encouraging, civil, and not breaking any rules

Another group of interest is the Luminary team - they are like "helpers" like you said, though more specifically they are individuals who help maintain the positive atmosphere of the server and are usually knowledgeable :)

[worldly cairn]

I see so many people like "theres no reason to get the 12 month without premier!" Good, thats the point. You should only be getting the 12 month for the discounted rate because it's within your means. Not for some arbitrary rewards that overly incentives spending.

[weary hearth]

nothing wrong with some casual ribbing

[quaint mason]

I paid for somethng with listed benefits that have been removed and nothing to replace it?

[dusk zinc]

Mmhhmm
But I like your image 😉
Yay beer ha
@quaint mason exactly

[worldly cairn]

You paid for membership, the rest was tacked on stuff that should have never been there to begin with.

[silent violet]

I don't think that's fair

[quaint mason]

But it was, and now my purchase isnt as described. Basic consumer rights, your opinion here doesnt really matter regardless of whether or not i agree ita better for the game

[wary mirage]

Unfortunately, if it was never meant to be there at all is opinion based. Therefore someone paid for something they thought was best. People vote with their wallet after all.

[viral ether]

Ohh, thanks for this extra info.

Not going to lie.. I don’t often post comments in here as the few times I have done so have not gone well.

I appreciate the effort people like you put into this though. I’m a mod on a large server so I can understand how difficult it is to balance things at times!

[worldly cairn]

Its not really opinion based. Its existence was bad for the game.

[elder cape]

omg hi zidane pfp

[cinder reef]

welcome

[quaint mason]

Yes, but regardless i paid for something that is now materially changed with nothing to compensate me

[frank inlet]

its existence is bad for the game isn't really what's being discussed. it's rather that you agreed to purchase a set amount of things, but now they are being taken away from you without compensation

[mossy root]

Of course! We hate to see that. If anyone is attacking you or being rude, please let us know via @feral ridge. we sometimes miss things ofc, with there being so many channels and 24/7 activity in the server.

[worldly cairn]

You didn't pay for it though.

[wary mirage]

Correct. However, saying that to someone who has spent the money feels like a knife in the gut

[dusk zinc]

Yeah same, except I was a mod in whirlpooldnd for a while. It was a huge load.
Hopefully I can be one again soon 🙂 even if it's hard work sometimes keeping the peace

[worldly cairn]

12 month sub cost less than subbing monthly. You were paying less for more.

[mossy root]

@quaint mason hey, that's not acceptable. Please don't say things like that to other humans

[frank inlet]

but you did. you paid a premier membership alongside additional benefits. if those benefits are taken away from you before the end of the agreement, you ought to be compensated

[worldly cairn]

Compensated for what? Paying less than a monthly subber?

[quaint mason]

Hey, i dont really care about folks opinions, in fact, im now a bit more incensed to go down the consumer rights route. I suggest theres a serious discussion internally about making this right

[silent violet]

Again

[dusk zinc]

Us that paid for it which wasn't much a one time payment but we did so for the benefits of it as well. Which was my main reason for buying premier

[viral ether]

I know a lot of people are posting unhelpful comments, but I understand what you mean.

There could be something in the T&Cs that permits changes, but yeah… it feels like Premier subscribers are no longer valued, sadly.

[worldly cairn]

Cool, then stop buying premier. Problem solved.

[silent violet]

For whatever time it is this is a feedback channel and not an argument channel.

[silk magnet]

It is a tricky area, changing the add ons, even if they're just bonuses and not the main product, is dodgy territory. On the other hand, if they had to wait all year for some of these integrity changes it has the potential to undermine some of the efforts they're making.

I do think some form of offering should be made to premier members to balance this( I'm not a premier member, and very much pro these changes overall for reference), but equally its not the main product thats been altered so it shouldnt be as much as a full refund

[dusk zinc]

There it is
@viral ether

[quaint mason]

Terms and conditions dont supersede consumer rights laws

[silent violet]

These are the exact comments that I have referred to repeatedly as beyond the scope of this channel. And if they continue they'll be moderated.

[wary mirage]

I feel ya. I too am Premier. Have been every year since I returned four years ago. Unfortunately the "transparency team" at Jagex is still having issues on how to convey these things in a blog post

[silent violet]

Disagreeing with a point of feedback and discussing it is fine. But that's not it

[elder cape]

My question is what happens to the Loyalty Points themself? Is it just gonna go poof or is it going to be compensated for something?

[weary hearth]

I think there's a difference in type between premier rewards from a current premier sub and loyalty points etc from previous years. I think that offering LP as a benefit of premier membership implies they will have some value for at least the duration of that year's sub; I don't think it implies they will continue to hold value indefinitely.

[worldly cairn]

But thats literally the point of the update. To make 12 month a choice rather than a heavily incentivised money grab.

Saying "stop buying 12 month sub" is literally the point of the update because it is now saying "Buy the membership thats most reasonable to you."

If you do not think the 12 month sub holds enough value for you anymore. Stop buying it. Thats literally the entire point. Pay in the way that nest works for you without having a bunch of extra incentives.

[dusk zinc]

It would be more incentive like me i dont make a lot of money really at all... but the one time payment vs monthly was decent. WAS.
Premier artifact (yes repeating myself) was about the last thing to ruin it.
Do we get compensation somehow for our years of loyalty?
You know, id gladly give some loyalty points to folks if I could...
Just if there's issue with it being "unfair"

[quaint mason]

Paying it going forward isnt the issue here, thats a new decision for folk to consider but ive bought it for years based on benefits now beong stripped, which i agree are good in the long run. But my purchases to date are effectively mislead at this point and thwre has to be something to compensate for that

[wary mirage]

💯

[worldly cairn]

But theres nothing to compensate thats the problem. Yes having something taken away sucks but you were actually getting that stuff for no extra cost. So to ask for compensation for it seems misguided since you didn't actually pay for any of it to begin with.

[vale trout]

Slowmode is enabled. Members can send one message every 30 seconds.
Slowmode is enabled. Members can send one message every 60 seconds.

We've reached the point again in this post too like the previous ones in which slowmode is short enough for this type of talk to happen

[dusk zinc]

And you're saying this again...
Thats not helpful. I think you're just here to say just that.
Seriously adds nothing to the discussion

[quaint mason]

You dont understand basic consumer rights laws these are just your opinions. And in the nicest way, they dont hold any value in this discussion

[worldly cairn]

Nothing they have done have violated a single consumer rights law. So if thats your stance then your opinions less valuable than mine is.

[silent violet]

Okay

Drop it

You've said your piece and this is the final warning

[mossy root]

Stop responding to each other - none of this is productive, constructive, or helpful

[weary hearth]

for what it's worth I think this is spectacularly missing the point. I am 100% with you that the game is better without any form of loyalty program at all, but if I've entered into an agreement based on a promise that I would receive xyz I think I can legitimately feel aggrieved if xyz is taken from me even if it was marketed as a 'free bonus' - were this not the case there would be a difference in kind between 'buy 3 for the price of 2' and 'buy 2 get 1 free'

[quaint mason]

Can we have a channel for people actually affected here, this is ridiculous

[cinder reef]

itl just be like most other mmos now, cheaper per month to pay for the 12 month package. The extras were perks sure but in the end held no real gameplay bonuses. Loyalty points to buy some outfits and emotes, prem vault that is now to be removed as a result of mtx removal, a vip world when theres 100 other worlds. Realistically, we can do without any of it anyway and chances are, we wont even notice their removal from the day to day

[fickle lotus]

People can be affected and agree with the change

[candid lake]

What do you think they should add for the changes? I personally want them to keep the star since we have the leagues stuff staying atm.

uhh id like more cosmetic stuff, maybe quarterly free ones

[silent violet]

I'd love a loyalty equivalent of umbral

And twitch

[worldly cairn]

I have premier so I am 100% "effected."

[wary mirage]

I'd like to have my Points refunded so I can buy the emotes because my 'tism is bothered by the grayed out spaces now

[dusk zinc]

As long as i dont have to pay a 3rd party yeah that would be better than nothing.
But I'd still not be totes happy with what its like and going forward...

[cerulean steeple]

I feel like with the League icon that's kind of a reason to remove the premier chat badge.
Leave the icons as exclusive prestige things, not just "I bought a bulk sub package"
(Combat Mastery rank chat badge anyone?)

[silent violet]

I mean in the sense of picking a color scheme and just recoloring good cosmetics

[cinder reef]

I do like idea of achievement based chat badges rather than paid now i think about this

[dusk zinc]

Oh lol *burp *
Scusemoi

[candid lake]

sure, id probably argue for future precedents. keeping what we have now I think stands to be ok to keep since it exists already.

I dont disagree, buying it isnt a good reason. just like it alot since ive had it since prem inception

[worldly cairn]

I like loyalty systems but please implement them inside the game instead of through a webpage.

[dusk zinc]

Exactly.
Well said.
These things are years late to be removed and will be like potholes in the road(map) imo

[quaint mason]

So this channel clearly isnt worth engaging with even though it was tagged in the email. Are any answers being given or just opinions that arent worth jack

[cerulean steeple]

But if future things start adding more then it gives even more reason to remove it.
You see "Ohey, that guy got world first X boss, that guy did well in a league. What did that guy do, never seen his badge before?!"
"Oh he paid $80"
"... Oh."

[weary hearth]

feedback posted here gets reviewed and informs next steps but it's not a QnA sesh

[dusk zinc]

Gary your opinion is work jack.
Hi jack 🙂 ima call you jack

[quaint mason]

Sound, consumer rights route it is then

[cinder reef]

stick around anyway! Some good points coming across here and there, and this could be considered a feedback channel, so every comment here might be looked at, they could be taking notes, they could be seeing good points being made, youre on the ground floor too so do keep a look out and share what you think. you never know!

[candid lake]

its harmless to keep is what im saying. cant get it anymore while letting people keep a nice thing is what im saying. or we can keep it as is... thats an option.

or

We can easily divorce it from further sales and add it in game in other ways.

[silent violet]

This is a feedback channel

[wary mirage]

It started with some feedback back around 9:30 am EST. Just kinda last hour has gone off the rails. In general people just angy. Can't blame em. I was too

[dusk zinc]

hugs hands over blackmarket badge and artifact

[quaint mason]

Noted, feedback then is they need to do better and make people whole. T&Cs are great but they dont supersede basic consuner rights in the uk

[worldly cairn]

Ok, whats your idea of making you whole then? That would be the feedback they are looking for.

[dusk zinc]

We already said what

[fickle lotus]

My concern with the loyalty cosmetics is that the free rotation they suggest it being added mean there might be a lot of waiting time until people can get the thing they want available

[merry cosmos]

im wondering they called feedback..... but they truly will do something to make ppl less angry, or is just a general term?

[fickle lotus]

Ideally with the increase in stuff added to said rotation, we'd have multiple things a month, or quicker rotation

[candid lake]

for me, there would need to be a solid reason to maintain prem if I lose star. I am in the grandfathered rate and im willing to stick to that if the new prem version just isnt up to par.

im sure others want more. im simple, cosmetic l0l

[wary mirage]

Agreed. Also whatever the Bundle thing is that's proposed. Is this more money? Will it be discounted? We don't know. Company don't either sadly

[dusk zinc]

Cosmetics vs. Stuff that helps me in game since I dont have much time to play ie. Why i buy premier and have been for a loooong time

[cinder reef]

I feel like, premier mems can buy them now anyway, and non premiers cant, so it may take some time to rotate the outfits but in the end getting them at all will be better than them being locked behind loyalty points

[quaint mason]

Some form of ingame compensation, it has to be at the very least surely. They enticed people to purchase something based on benefits theybare no longer getting. What that compensation is, Jagex will have to discuss, or poll or do something... but whats been issued isnt good enough

[cerulean steeple]

As far as I could tell from the blog, the new bundle thing is the "same" as the current premier. Same pricing, just the benefits are swapped out to be the Cosmetic+ thing instead

[fickle lotus]

They said it would be free rotation in the blog.

[worldly cairn]

I just don't think there should be any reason to maintain 12 month sub. It should just be an option with a discount. Maybe an outfit or something, other games might do like a free mount with sub but nothing so egregious as premier.

[dusk zinc]

It'd be nice if they gave us polls, you know? Not that osrs people get to vote on, and not one sided *cough *

[candid lake]

thats my argument actually. if prem isnt valued with its cosmetics, im going to the reg mem that i hold that competes near the discounted rate.

im technically a different demographic since prem isnt something I buy for a discounted rate. everyone will have a different reason for getting prem i suppose

[still girder]

Rs3 polls would not work in the games current state - we would need some solid time figuring out rs3s identity before we are in a place for polls to work

[wary mirage]

Oh. That's what the Cosmetic+ Package is? Weird.

[dusk zinc]

Best of luck to you all.
Hopefully this doesn't completely ruin the game for me and many of you.
I love rs3 thats why I've been playing 20+ years... sigh..
This stuff bums me out
Take care

[cinder reef]

Do leave feedback on what you think and what you think should or could be a better solution, its all being read so

[wary mirage]

🫡

[vale trout]

they won't do polls because they don't want to be a copy of OSRS, so they created "this" method instead, create a post and gather feedback and be like "well seems the discord & reddit community ain't happy, what? rest of the community well we don't care about them because we removed the forums that was the perfect place for that group"

[fickle lotus]

No its in the text under loyalty point cosmetics. Separate point from cosmetic+

"All cosmetic content from the Loyalty Store will be relocated into the** Free Monthly Marketplace Drop cycles**. Our intention with this solution is to balance availability of these items over time for all Members, while not undercutting the benefit of direct-access for those who acquired them using Loyalty Points."

[silent violet]

I really don't think that undercutting the direct access is something they should even consider

Just make them available

[candid lake]

^

[fickle lotus]

Honestly I think about half of said cosmetics, given they're retro cosmetics, should just be unlocked by equipping (or sacrificing?) said item to unlock the override

[silent violet]

I do wonder where they'll house the recolor of items

[wary mirage]

But then they can't get your money for Keepsakes

[candid lake]

Which although thats the stance now, polls predate osrs. taking a successful method that works great and isnt a copy should be done imo.

but id actually go further and continue feedback sessions based on how polls are. at a min, I think polls would be a solid data source for seeing what people want. imo

[vale trout]

ring of rock is already in the transmog list

They might keep Xuan around just so you have at least a place for that

[fickle lotus]

Uh, retro items cannot be keepsaked. And anyone that prefer current look wouldn't go for retro override.

[wary mirage]

Ah sorry sorry dude thought you were speaking generally

[merry cosmos]

what do you mean they dont want us to be a copy of oldschool, they recycle a lot of things from there, incluying bosses and vice versa

[dusk zinc]

Good point but yeah idk man... hard to say who they're actually listening to.
I respect the devs, they're doing their best and taking orders from higher ups and laws over there so I get it. But it seems like I'm with the minority every time...

Here's one thing not exactly related. But they should do dxp how they were doing it so we can grind our dummies and stuff since this is our last chance this year... then change to twice a year
(Sorry off topic)
Ok now im going cyall

[candid lake]

iirc this is a jmods stance on not taking polls like osrs. I could be wrong there.

[fickle lotus]

No i was thinking specifically about loyalty point overrides for retro barrows, void, dragonfire shield and so on.

[vale trout]

Jagex should've brought back the forums again just for these changes.
Really don't understand them when they want to remove the VIP world because it splits the community meanwhile force the community to give feedback both on here and reddit to split it up and those that use neither platform gets screwed over by not being able to use their voice.

[fickle lotus]

I mean for once reddit seem to be ok with the changes which I really didn't expect. Reddit has always been the most likely place to complain whether good or bad.

[dusk zinc]

Thank you!
Was hoping someone would say that. Okay now im going for real

[wary mirage]

Ah dude don't invoke it lol I was saving up for retro Barrows next to mix and match haha. I'm 1400 KC in. Just needing Ahrim's Hood and wanted to celebrate. Off topic, I know, but we could use some levity

[vale trout]

Reddit is a toxic place that mass downvote every post after the first hour of a main post being created

[foggy drum]

I may be in the minority here, but I tend to be pretty busy IRL and definitely don't have time to commit to an entire year of membership at a time. I'll redeem a bond once in a while to check out new content or catch up on quests.

[merry cosmos]

poll to ask players if they want polls when, or at least eliminate this from interface and save us some space

lmao that "returning soon" remember me the third boss of raids: "???"

[foggy drum]

I was actually considering buying Premier after Jagex reduces the dailies, but not anymore.

[vale trout]

https://runescape.wiki/w/Update:RuneScape_2014_-_Power_to_the_Players

[weary hearth]

true fact: demand for polling goes up 87% after jagex does something some players dislike

[spice geyser]

no real change in player count for rs3 yet either

[wary mirage]

I believe you and will not question your math

[wary mirage]

Damn that looks like my heart rate during a raid

[cinder reef]

which is fair

Alot of the info on the news post i recall giving answers too in the last few player surveys

[merry cosmos]

well, since premier barely will give anything worth it now, thats the meta now i guess

[cinder reef]

12 month mem will still be cheaper than buying 1 month at a time atleast irl wise

[merry cosmos]

but no for someone who takes some months off

[full sequoia]

So my millions of loyalty points that are still waiting for something I want to buy, will just vanish in thin air? After my hundreds of thousands of oddments did the same thing for the same reason?

[rain zodiac]

Cheaper bonds-wise too. 1 bond for 2 weeks => about 26 for a year. 24 bonds for a year => less than 26. ^^

[cinder reef]

tbf the oddments were atleast able to be converted into raw gp

[cinder reef]

2.8b roughly IF you happen to buy 12 months 1 month at a time rather, in 2 week stints

[full sequoia]

At this point, I'm better off going back to my grandfathered monthly membership

[cinder reef]

but i do agree though if you only play casually its definitely the best way to do that for yourself

[full sequoia]

I got something out of them, true, but I was expecting them to restore all previous oddment store items in the final weeks.

This time, the points will vanish without a trace, it seems

At my grandfathered (twice or thrice) rate, monthly will be waaaay cheaper than what I just now paid for premier.

[tropic pivot]

My feedback: The devs for this game are absolutely cooked at the moment. Let’s go play FF14 🙂

[cinder reef]

any suggestions though D:

I could see some kind of payout for loyalty points would be nice. at the same time i kinda get why there isnt? im kinda reading along to get some ideas lol

[full sequoia]

To everyone who was so much in favour of the "let's clean up all the mtx":
"We're now in the 'find out' part of that expression"

[silk magnet]

Wasnt the latest expansion the worst received FF14 expansion by far? Seems those devs might be a little cooked too

[tropic pivot]

Read about 8.0 and yeah the story didn’t hit for some people but they aren’t changing how the game plays or how membership works. Consistent for the most part and that’s what I like.

[rain zodiac]

The story was divisive but I still very much enjoyed it, and the gameplay elements (dungeons, bosses, etc) are very good ^^
I'll not gush too much since that'd take us way off topic.

[cinder reef]

remember this is for Rs Premier feedback lol

[silk magnet]

Yea fair enough, I dont know enough about that to liken it to this game, just remember reading a little about it at the time. They have a sizable playerbase though, RS3 is much more precarious on that front so perhaps feels more need for changing how the game plays

[fickle lotus]

Honestly I kinda feel like I'm finding out beyond my expectation in the best way.

Didn't think FAFO was meant to be good.

[full sequoia]

It can go either way

But caveat emptor is always a thing

[cinder reef]

So far im seeing ideas i like the look of

• Pay outs for unused premier/loyalty points for those that saved them up in hopes of something. Id kinda want something to show that we were at one stage loyalty members. Strange maybe but im not a huge fan of the removal of things without something to show for its existence or impact its had. Hot take maybe lol. All we have had so far is things removed rather than things to replace or put in its place which i notice does sting a little bit for people paying for something thats just being removed

• With the removal of the premier specific chat badge, add instead achievement based chat badges for all. Comps/Fsw/Leagues/5.8b as an example. Its a neat little cosmetic

[rain zodiac]

I've not seen FAFO as an acronym but can guess what you mean 😆

[fickle lotus]

we do have currently leagues, combat master/grandmaster, and ironmen badges

[cinder reef]

True! but more lol

[full sequoia]

Personally, I was not against cleaning up MTX, but I did mean MTX, not "what people call mtx but really is other stuff, like dailies and lamps etc".
That said, I am firmly against taking away ingame currency that I've been saving up for years in the (idle) hope of getting something worthwhile, and then seeing them vanish without a trace.

[weary hearth]

there's definitely a hierarchy of chat badges. prem was always fairly low, but the ones at the top are quite special. 3. GM 2. jmod 1. ironman

[true olive]

Is 1 the best or worst of that list?

[full sequoia]

The ability to spend loyalty points (for me) almost died out when the runecoins store stopped selling its items in both runecoins and loyalty points.

[fickle lotus]

I don't think those other things were mtx.

I'm however on team clean up dailyscape and the like because I don't like dailyscape. its a seperate issue that needs to be dealt with.

And for what Joe said, I've always disabled premier badge when I bought premier, because I was a bit ashamed of having it tbh. Felt like I was fancy without having done anything of merit for it.

[cinder reef]

reading this as GIM > Jmod badges lol

[weary hearth]

I don't think I need to answer that

[rain zodiac]

I feel like a Master quest badge would be cool. A "yes I am a lore nerd and proud of it" stamp in the chat, just like the combat achievers have their "yes I boss very good". ^^

[fickle lotus]

Its 🤓 in front of your name

[true olive]

I am a nerd, and I am proud

[gritty sequoia]

Use them

[fickle lotus]

Me too bud. Me too.

[cinder reef]

if i may as an example

[weary hearth]

MQC people definitely weren't bullied enough in school (I have MQC)

[full sequoia]

Pro/con dailyscape is a different discussion, but my point mostly is that when people misuse a term like "mtx" to mean other things, it isn't surprising that misunderstandings happen. You cannot properly discuss something if you don't agree on the definition of what you're discussing first. An issue that has also affected jagex several times already; when the company and the users hear different things in the same statement, that's an issue.

[cinder reef]

I dont have mqc but u get the idea

[full sequoia]

On what? Auras will go away, and the limited number of LP items I already have.

[fickle lotus]

I do think badges should be used sparingly. Either signal separate account type, or some really big stretch goal. They should be a "oh its that type of player". Not the way titles are, where there are ten billion of them.

[rain zodiac]

I like this. Also profound message 🍌

[gritty sequoia]

If you don't have anything else you wish to buy, why be upset they are going away?

[cinder reef]

exactly! 🍌

[full sequoia]

Badges and such I don't care about; but I certainly can imagine a world in which other do like them, and they were a part of premier, even this year's premier which a lot of users already paid for.

[silk magnet]

It is a little disappointing sure, but hasnt the loyalty store been abandoned for years anyway? It's not like you were gonna get anything new if you kept the points based on recent history, they dont make content for the shop anymore

[gritty sequoia]

The loyalty store has indeed not been known to be replenished with new things ^

[full sequoia]

Because they should have offered us things to buy, like they used to; meaning they should readd things to the store so we can use them up, or at least convert them to other currency (RCs?), not just delete them.

[cinder reef]

what i notice seems to sting the most atm reading this is removal of a bunch of things, without anything to replace other than Cosmetic+

like people are getting less bang for their buck now compared to "the before times"

[full sequoia]

Like every Jagex initiative: run up hype, create a few things, then never follow up, let it die out, create a new thing.

[cinder reef]

It has been a minute since we saw some loyalty store stuff 🤔

Currently sitting on 4.3m loyalty points. Was kinda holding on for something special

[full sequoia]

What they're taking away now, even retroactively deleting, are things people paid for, things ppl got membership for... that's not an okay message to send.

[gritty sequoia]

The store has not been replenished in a long time, so there is little to no use whatsoever to have been saving up millions. It is wise to purchase whatever you've not unlocked yet.

[rain zodiac]

I don't mind this over the alternatives like base sub price increases which I've seen a good few other services do.

[full sequoia]

And we're losing thing after thing; just a week or 2 ago, we were told we'd be losing iconic items like the flaming skull, with no compensation or replacement.
Dailies, which are getting killed off, are my primary means of play for those weeks that I don't have time to play for real ingame.
Lamps, gone.
AFK skilling methods: contrary to statements made, they're culling those too.

[pulsar tundra]

In the end the game will be better off. We just gota wait out the lows.

[halcyon niche]

So.... after reading all of that... it's basically "we're removing everything, even the badge because of its impact on the game"?

[gritty sequoia]

As for monthly drops, they were in all honesty extremely low value. A medium cash bag and some silverhawk feathers and D&D reset tokens are not what made you pay for a full year.

• 12 individual months cost 149.88 EUR / 119.88 GBP / 167.88 USD
• A full year sub costs 89.88 EUR / 77.88 GBP / 99.48 USD
• To pay as much for a full year, through individual months, you need to pay for 7.20 months / 7.80 months / 7.11 months
  --> Premier gives you 5 free months. If you plan on playing for 7 out of 12 months, you're better off paying for premier and having the freedom to pay the game during those extra 5 months as well if you'd like.

That has always been the intrinsic value of a yearly subscription for just about any service in our society. The only real added value I will admit, were the auras, and it was unhealthy to be locked behind this system. Everything else (vault, drops, chat badge) in my opinion never had value, so it's odd to consider those a loss really.

[silk magnet]

Basically yea, they dont want 'special' membership packages anymore, just a discounted one for buying a years worth

[halcyon niche]

I mean it makes sense... flaming skull magic isn't realistic in a world with magic and multiple tiers of gods and in game lore that acknowledges its a game

[halcyon niche]

Hah. I've maintained an active sub ever since it started, even when i only logged in once a year. Now I can cancel

[gritty sequoia]

It's never wise to keep subscriptions you dont use, running

[fading sphinx]

Runecoins, or just toss all the auras in war’s retreat and let the marks of war handle them.

[full sequoia]

For the record, 2x/3x grandfathered rates have me pay far less than 7.20E a month; and yet they suckered me into paying for premier in november.

[gritty sequoia]

In case you missed the news, auras in their entirety and the aura equipment slot, are being phased out by Jagex. Moving auras to a different store/currency is not on the table anymore.

[fading sphinx]

I know

[gritty sequoia]

Grandfathered rates are not the current market offering, I don't understand why players keep bringing up something you can't select as a plan.

[full sequoia]

Because, if I choose monthly payments, I automatically start paying my grandfathered rate.

Premier actively costs me (and lots of others) more

[gritty sequoia]

Those with a grandfathered rate make their own financial choice, either keep that special rate by never cancelling, or cancel it if you don't think you're able to play enough to justify it.

[full sequoia]

Now I find myself having paid for premier 2026, and seeing all the announced rewards gutted, but that means I'm paying more for less

If they had announced all the losses beforehand, I could agree. But they didn't. And that is NOT okay.

They created premier 2026 knowing full well that A) they were going to gut its rewards, and B) a lot of players still have a grandfathered tier that is cheaper than the premier cost.

[gritty sequoia]

If you have a cheaper rate, use it. If you don't want to, fine, then don't.

[full sequoia]

What are you not understanding about "I CANNOT ANYMORE because I already paid for premier this year, before they announced its gutting"

[gritty sequoia]

Then why do you bring up a rate if you've replaced it with premier on your own accord in the past?

[full sequoia]

At this point, I actively want to "downgrade" to monthly, but the choice was taken from me because when I reupped, premier rewards still fully included the items they're now gutting.

I have not replaced the rate, it still exists, but only if I pay for a monthly membership, not for the premier membership

[gritty sequoia]

Okay

[mellow hearth]

100% agree with this. Pretty horrific take by Jagex doing this, knowing they were just going to remove all the other benefits that premier offered - YET still offered it as if nothing was changing.

[full sequoia]

You either choose monthly membership (there used to be a 3m/yearly one as well) at standard rates, or premier at a "discounted" rate. If you have grandfathered rates, those standard rates turn out cheaper than the premier rates, but at least they were compensated for by the extras.

[full sequoia]

It verges on fraud at this point.

[mellow hearth]

I had already decided not to renew my membership, but this firmly cemented that I will never return to this game ever again. What an absolute disgraceful, disrespectful slap in the face to the thousands of people who continued to support Jagex over the years.

[gritty sequoia]

What valuable benefits do you feel you'll be missing out on since you implied it's not the loyalty store because it has nothing you haven't bought yet?

[cinder reef]

woops

[full sequoia]

"If it's not valuable to you, why do you care if they remove it" is not a valid argument, when said items were a part of the package that multiple people paid for, knowing only that lamps would go away at that point.

[gritty sequoia]

So you're annoyed out of principle and not based on merit

[full sequoia]

Doubly so when many of those people would not stand to benefit from the yearly membership, knowing that their grandfathered rate actually makes premier more expensive

My principle of looking out for fellow players, and not for myself, is a merit I hold in high regard, tyvm.

Selling a membership with benefits they then take away during that membership, without mentioning that at the point of sale, can arguably be considered fraudulent. Even if I myself have little use for some of them, does not change the equation.

[gritty sequoia]

When you buy a new computer or phone, you look at the specs, it's no different with premier. I'd love to hear which of the specs are deemed valuable. For me it's always been the auras.

[full sequoia]

Nobody comes to my house after I bought my computer to take some RAM or a HDD out of it after I bought and paid it.

[weary hearth]

omw

[mellow hearth]

Let's see on all the benefits that were taken away, shall we?

Removal of Premier vault
Removal of double TH keys (I'm still listing this one as it was a listed benefit that made an impact to shifting people to subscribe
Removal of Premier tokens
Removal of chat badge
Removal of VIP worlds
Removal of Loyalty points and store
Removal of monthly drops
Removal of premier artifact

These benefits were all reasons why I subscribed to premier membership over the base membership package, and now all of that is gone.

I'm keeping my personal bias over other changes regarding the auras and dailies being removed out of this equation, but this is no longer a viable membership package when all the additional perks have been removed - AND - Jagex has not said what new "12-mo membership" pricing will look like. Will it be discounted further? Will it increase?

We dont know.

And that is the problem. It's taking away all the things I enjoyed getting premier for, with nothing in return, and frankly slapping the faces of all the actual loyal members who have supported this game and company for years even through some really awful updates, etc throughout the years.

Its extremely disrespectful. And there is NO other way to look at it. So since my membership means so little? OK no problem. My money and time will be better spent elsewhere!

[light scarab]

i reemember when i paid for a copy of gw2 and then they made it free

[full sequoia]

"I checked the specs, I paid for the specs, I get to keep the specs", in your analogy.

[gritty sequoia]

Yeah I'm asking which of those you consider valuable, not a summary of the news post

[mellow hearth]

I just gave it to you. READ what I wrote.

[gritty sequoia]

So the chat badge is of value?

[full sequoia]

Considering them "valuable" is not a relevant criterium for them to be there when I paid for them.

[mellow hearth]

If you read what I wrote, you'd have the answer. Thanks.

[trail flame]

Its rather frustrating that those of us that got premier benefits got shafted out of the remaineder of our benefits. We paid for a year of them and only got 8 months in my case, some much worse.

[gritty sequoia]

It's a summary of what jagex is removing, it's not a difficult question to ask what you will personally be missing as part of your runescape experience.

[full sequoia]

With the current argument seemingly being "you still pay less for yearly than for monthly", only, that's only true if you're not grandfathered in a few levels.

[wary mirage]

💯

[full sequoia]

This isn't about "me", or even "us", it's about everyone who paid for it and is now seeing it get gutted.

[mellow hearth]

You're going to get reported and blocked if you continue to be abrasive and combative, while not reading what I wrote.

Take 3 minutes and throughly read what I wrote.

[gritty sequoia]

I am not breaking rules, and VIP worlds ren't being removed, I genuinely asked what you will personally miss the most, for me it would be auras.

[mellow hearth]

You are breaking rules. You're being argumentative, abrasive and combative. And you keep asking me the same question repeatedly which is answered in what I wrote above.

STOP with the nonsense.

[full sequoia]

As a point of principle (yes, one of those), I never block someone; but I am also not going to continue a conversation where I have to restate my point 50 times, only for it to be dismissed as nonrelevant every time.

[cinder reef]

ok guys remember this is for feedback lol

ill probably miss the chat badge lol. the rest i very much under used

[full sequoia]

You do not get to decide what is relevant to others, or what the criteria for relevancy are, again, for others.

[gritty sequoia]

See, not that hard to say what you'll miss in a feedback thread

[cinder reef]

maybe prem vault as well tbh, that was always pretty solid

[weary hearth]

arguing about whether people are breaking rules is generally unproductive - I'd suggest that it be taken simply as a statement that person A doesn't want to engage with person B; in person B's shoes IMO they should avoid tagging or pinging that person

[mellow hearth]

I'm not going to tolerate this any longer from you

[cinder reef]

what will you miss from whats being taken 🤔

[mellow hearth]

#1476217676966789265 message

[full sequoia]

If you're going to appeal to authority, please call in someone who is at the level you actually need; as a server admin myself, I don't like getting dragged into disputes that simple mods can handle.

[cinder reef]

oo i see, are you more concerned that there's no replacement or, give back from whats being removed or that theres less bang for your buck now

[wary mirage]

I was never lucky to get a Token through the Vault 🥲

[mellow hearth]

Apologies, I wasnt sure who to tag.

[mellow hearth]

Premier tokens were awarded when your premier membership started/renewed.

[cinder reef]

They are also server moderators as well, but its true any issue would be best tagged to server moderators 🫡

[full sequoia]

Np; just, it's usually appropriate not to go to the absolute top; the middle levels on servers exist specifically to deal with small issues 🙂

[wary mirage]

I know. It was just never enough to get all the pets lol

[cinder reef]

neither lol, stars and stars

[gritty sequoia]

I'm not tagging anyone and I think my question is fair, gauging what elements players will miss the most, since there's definitely personal preferences from the list of removals.

[wary mirage]

If I could I'd give you my Silverhawks haha

[full sequoia]

Yeah, same, usually because as an admin, you want to know the goings on when people ping a mod; but vice versa, no mod will hear an admin ping, and that means the admins must get involved while they are usually fewer and busier.

[fading sphinx]

I will miss the penance aura, my favorite aura

[cinder reef]

oh yea its a hot topic for sure, ive seen alot of "the removals are ok" and alot of " this sucks im quitting"

[fading sphinx]

And all my aura refreshes. And penance powder is a poor substitute

[full sequoia]

I'm not saying the removals couldn't be okay, just that I think it's not the first removal they do after many have paid for them, and removing points saved up for years without compensating for them, is bad business.

[wary mirage]

I love the idea of finding them on a lap like with the OSRS rooftop tokens

[full sequoia]

I'm pretty sure the only removal that was announced beforehand was that of the XP lamps

[cinder reef]

like some kind of lucky free xp booster rather than just getting silverhwaks from premier vault and other mtx related things?

[full sequoia]

I've always found it weird that just running around wouldn't train your agility at all

I mean, that's pretty much how I train mine in the real world 😉

[cinder reef]

passive xp drops while just walking around would help a bit with the agility grind lol. I mean back in the day, agility used to help with how fast your energy would replenish, and how slow it would reduce when running anyway

[deft haven]

What they should have done is given people with loyalty points an exchange of LP's for coupons to use in the rune coin shop at a fair rate of exchange or even rune coins themselves, Not one for one maybe but 100 to 1 or something, idk numbers are not my thing but it would at least given us more then the crap they have for sale with LP's and gone a long way with making things right.

[full sequoia]

Agility made the world feel big; that, in combination with no lodestones, made the teleport items actually worth something

[true olive]

Idk how many loyalty point i have, but i should go spend them

[full sequoia]

I remember hard earning my first teleport, the ectophial

[weary hearth]

the one that springs to mind is the daily keys - ik that was communicated well in advance of being taken off the package

past that it depends what you think is implied in an integrity push - to my mind, for instance, it's been fairly clear since the announcement of the whole project that stuff like premier vault couldn't survive. the chat badge I think is somewhat ambiguous

I think it's also really hard to argue that anyone's been unfairly treated in respect of loyalty points or benefits accumulated before their current year of premier membership

[mellow hearth]

Agreed. Jagex should first refund the loyalty points for aura's so those of us who spent them on Aura's can then spend the points on cosmetics

[full sequoia]

Good luck, because without auras to spend them on, you might be very restricted. At least back in the day, many items were dual RC/LP items.

[mellow hearth]

Thank you for removing that guys reply comment to me whoever just did that btw ^

[wary mirage]

Yeah, like, you know how you get a very small bonus xp drop in Mining (using the Juju potion i think?) Something like that where you have a 10% chance upon completing an obstacle (not course) to get a silverhawk xp equivalent bonus xp drop

[full sequoia]

Still, Joe, it feels like they knew they were gonna remove them and didn't announce it, almost seemingly on purpose.

[deft haven]

how did you all get on agillity this is about the premier membership and loyalty program thread?

[cinder reef]

silverhawks from premier vault lol

[mellow hearth]

Thank you again x2

[deft haven]

agreed

[leaden cape]

Are you enjoying the white knights? 💀💀

[weary hearth]

I appreciate it's easy for it to look that way but given this was announced today, I really really doubt plans were actually finalised prior to Tuesday or something haha

[true olive]

@ deleted messages - if you continue to attack people personally, you will be timed out

[full sequoia]

Hi Zeni, thx Zeni

[true olive]

Hey Cin

[wary mirage]

Anything to relieve the tension bro we'll get back on track haha at least it's productive

[full sequoia]

They were still actively promoting them as part of a yearly premier package; as a business practice, this seems to be a grey zone at best...

^ Whoops, that got tagged wrong. That was supposed to be a reply to Joe.

[cinder reef]

These changes were coming for a while though. They had player surveys out for this kind of update early last year. We just didnt know the specifics

[autumn umbra]

Just a general reminder:

• if you feel the need to block someone, just block them
• don't attack each other. If you know they are attacking, don't respond, report it
• please keep this thread to feedback/constructive commentary

[deft haven]

I believe they have another thread on that (i'm not sure)

[full sequoia]

They might have been coming, but that doesn't change the fact that they actively used them to promote Premier. Case in point: the new premier bonuses already mentioned that the 100 bank spaces would be a permanent bonus, and not a yearly one. That means they knew what they were writing, only for some of those bonuses to now be stripped out.

[mellow hearth]

Thank you x 3 ^

[halcyon niche]

Didn't they say before you still keep that rate as ling as there's never been a lapse?

[full sequoia]

Stripping them out is one thing, but not replacing them with an equivalent...

[fading sphinx]

There’s a grace period of 7-14 days I think

[weary hearth]

yeah my preference would absolutely be for an option to claim pro-rated refunds for outstanding months of a premier package if the player wishes to cancel it, but I think it's absolutely stretching to suggest that marketing things until now was the product of some kind of dishonesty or malice - I think that's extremely unlikely

[full sequoia]

Yup; but for that rate to exist in practice, I'd need to select a normal membership tier, not a premier membership tier, which were explicitely excluded from price grandfathering.

[mellow hearth]

I'm fully in agreement with what you're saying. I think your thoughts mirror exactly what I'm feeling towards this change of premier membership.

[weary hearth]

(especially when it comes to people with grandfathered rates which are lower per month than premier - were that more than a tiny, tiny portion of the playerbase which isn't really considered in this kind of stuff, I think it's fair to say that grandfathering would've ended as a policy a long time ago)

[halcyon niche]

But you can still drop back down now, right?

As in since premier has absolutely nothing now it's better to go down?

[full sequoia]

So long story short: they're now stripping premier benefits, while saying that 12m membership is still cheaper than monthly; which is not true for grandfathered rates. And I could downgrade if I wanted to, but I paid for premier, which means they have me locked in for the full 12 months.

At this point, it would probably be better for me to "go down", only I cannot yet as I'm locked in for several months, as I let my premier package renew based on the bonuses listed.

[cinder reef]

so youre concerned youve paid for all this stuff that youre now not getting this year with their removal? I get that

[halcyon niche]

That's what i meab.... when the prem time runs out.

[full sequoia]

So not only do I not get to eat my cake, I don't even get to have it. The cake is a lie 😉

[clear arch]

unless your grandfathered it would be more expensive over the course of a year. and as long as you upgraded your membership and didnt cancel it you can fall back to the grandfathered price. if your not grandfathered then the 12 month is still the cheapest way to play for a year if you play consistantly.

[mellow hearth]

Aside from the removal of the benefits to premier membership, I just feel disrespected as a consumer and supporter of Jagex for years.

The business decision of Jagex to treat loyalty as some sort of bad thing now is just baffling. I've been there for Jagex throughout the years, even through some (frankly) terrible decisions theyve made. And now, these changes are just disappearing any loyalty or reward I've earned for years of supporting them.

So again replaying what I said earlier: I guess my time and money will be better spent elsewhere

[full sequoia]

I paid for premier, which included a package of benefits. Regardless of whether I use these benefits, some of them are now taken away from me during my paid for year. My alternative is going to my grandfathered monthly rate, only I cannot do this since I'm locked into a yearly premier rate.

[cinder reef]

ah i see

[languid condor]

What are these terrible decisions you are refering to ?

[full sequoia]

And when I say "me", that goes for everyone who paid for premier this year, and especially those of us who have grandfathered rates that come out cheaper.

[clear arch]

everything they are in the prices of fixing? just a guess.

[weary hearth]

I wouldn't say loyalty is being treated as a bad thing; it's just not being rewarded to the same extent

a local pizza shop used to do a loyalty card which gave me a free pizza every 10 I bought. they discontinued that plan. I don't think that's telling me loyalty isn't valued; it's just not giving it a specific, discrete reward

[silk magnet]

I do think in your specific situation, Jagex should offer to reduce your membership down to normal rates for the remainder of your premier year. I doubt there's so many in your situation that it would be a huge hassle for them

[full sequoia]

I'm betting that if some of us had known beforehand, we would have actively downgraded to a monthly membership, because those end up being far cheaper for us.

I think I'd easily save 20 euros a year, if not more, using my old grandfathered rate instead of the "discounted premier rate".

[mellow hearth]

Well stuff like hero pass, yak trak, free trade removal, wilderness nerf, and others. But those were not what my point was getting at. Just the fact that I feel disrespected and not valued as a consumer.

[weary hearth]

I'd send jagex an email and ask them to fix it first, it's a niche enough situation I wouldn't expect it to be specifically provided for in news posts

[languid condor]

The thing is : what you consider terrible decisions, other players consider them the best decisions, dont forget they have to balance that

[cinder reef]

thats where itd get tricky as well, there could be alot of people in the same situation

[full sequoia]

It's difficult to rate ingame benefits, because they always have TOSes and such to CYA themselves; that said, I will most definitely be considering this when my membership is due next time.

I do think you'd be surprised how many players still have a grandfathered normal membership rate

[silk magnet]

Maybe, but while I am in favour of these changes, I do sympathize that changing the perks mid year is dodgy ground for Jagex. For normal membership, it is still a cheaper package so doesn't seem as punishing, but for people in this specific situation they're now being charged extra for having perks taken away. I think some offering should be made to them

[wary mirage]

There is nothing in this world that can't be solved using a pizza allegory 🙏

[halcyon niche]

The thing about terms and conditions are they aren't an all out free pass.

It becomes a argument about what goes too far beyond reason

[mellow hearth]

I'm not going to delve deep into this as I think you're missing the point I was trying to make, however when you look at the violent backlash Jagex recieved and the plummeted player numbers that occurred after these events, those decisions were clearly not what people liked/wanted.

Jagex's job is to bring people together, not seperate the community.

[clear arch]

i think the best decision would have been to change the package for new or reoccurring subscribers and to keep giving the benefits to current subscribers until there renewal date that would have prevented the removal of benifits mid membership.

[full sequoia]

Jagex' argument in the past has always been "well, new members get premier at a discount to normal membership, but for grandfathered rates, you will at least get several benefits and you won't lose your rate". Tiering down premier to be a normal membership, should also mean activating grandfathered rates for it.

[wary mirage]

I will have to say that I feel Jagex's job is to turn a profit and balance enjoyment amongst fans

[halcyon niche]

Wth... my comment was deleted?

[weary hearth]

given we're specifically talking about people who are grandfathered since 2012 or earlier, I would be shocked if it was more than 5% of active subs and wouldn't be surprised if it was less than 1%. I think we're then filtering for people who saw fit to purchase premier, paying a substantial premium for not much, really; and people who, despite being long-term members and therefore having experienced a time when things like premier club benefits would've been felt entirely antithetical to the spirit of RS, feel slighted. I think you're probably talking about a maximum of like... 50-100 accounts?

[clear arch]

from how its happened to me in the past i have grandfathered rates and i upgraded to yearly. when i cancled my yearly it fell back to my previous monthly grandfathered rate since it became an inactive membership that it just fell back to.

[full sequoia]

This is a game that has a large amount of members; even statistically small percentages could end up being a large amount in absolute values.

[languid condor]

Yes most of these were requested by players for a long time, and no theres no violent backlash, theres people mad about losing stuff its part of the process. Of course you will only see the people complaining. And no the players numbers are not plummeting

[full sequoia]

I sincerely doubt only 50-100 accounts would still be at grandfathered rates. Also, every time there was a price hike in normal memberships, new grandfathered tiers were introduced.

[clear arch]

far from it actually. seems like the active number count has steadily been growing.

[languid condor]

They will get more players in the end after these changes when the game is in a healthier state. A game with bad health and treasure hunter would just die eventually

[languid condor]

Lot of people returning from these changes yes

[wary mirage]

Maybe. Maybe not. They have said that if this adjustment period fails the chance of returning to MTX is a huge possibility. They have to make money end of day

[full sequoia]

Overall, several of these changes are good, even in my opinion.

[candid lake]

friendly reminder that the 15% from mtx isnt going to be the method they will use as the primary source of finances.

[full sequoia]

I do miss a few things many other MMOs offer though, like quick-level options for those who want to skip the early grind.

[weary hearth]

sorry to be clear, I'm talking about 50-100 (which is a number I am pulling out of my arse) to be accounts who meet all of the following conditions:

1. have a monthly rate which is less than the 'discounted' premier rate (and therefore have been subbed continuously for at least c. 15 years)
2. chose to buy premier despite it being a pretty terrible deal for them
3. are unhappy with these changes

I don't know total number of rs3 subs (though I have estimates), but I think people who meet both of the first two conditions are probably in the region of c. 1/10k active subs, and I doubt the majority of that group si even unhappy

[mellow hearth]

@wary mirage They cant make a profit when people arent coming to the game. Player count is #1

@languid condor I used "violent" to make a point - obviously it wasnt violent but it was clearly very disliked amongst the majority of the community. Obviously Jagex cannot make everyone happy. And yes, player count HAS been plummeting for years and years. That isn't new news, and there is plenty of data to support that.

[cinder reef]

i think an option like that for rs wouldnt go over so good, seeing as 99% of rs is the grind wheras alot of other mmos, the endgame raiding and dungeons grind are the go to

[languid condor]

Its not the majority of the community no far from that

[clear arch]

after the changes started coming in i personally made 3 new characters and have membership on all of them. a new main, ironman, and chunk locked iron man. i even ditched my old main that feels rushed and over complete without all the work. so this is already much better.

so basically the changes are good in my opinion.

[full sequoia]

But regardless of the good/bad of these changes, pulling benefits part of a membership package that was announced and that people paid for, during the run of that package, and with compensation systems "maybe, someday, if we feel like it" seems like bad business.
We all know how Jagex' "maybe some day" works, the last time they used that one was with the Runelite HD plugin.

[languid condor]

Level skip defy what runescape is at its core

[full sequoia]

Yeah, a grinding game 🙂

[mellow hearth]

Where are you getting that from? The game lost LOADS of people during free trade removal. There are hundreds of reddit and discord posts and dozens of youtube videos about how terrible hero pass was.

Please stop making things up, when there is clear and abundant evidence to counter what you're saying.

[weary hearth]

I think you're speaking at cross purposes - I don't think ezyon thinks that people generally liked hero pass, I think he understood you to mean that the majority were opposed to these changes

[full sequoia]

Level skip has existed in RS, for years now, in the form of eg daily challenges and XP lamps etc. But whether that is desirable or not is a different discussion.

[languid condor]

You are the one saying these changes are disliked by the majority of the community, what is that based on ?

[clear arch]

i agree with the benifits removal. i dont agree with stripping them in the middle of peoples subscriptions.

[languid condor]

Also like talking about recent integrity changes, hero pass has nothing to do with that

[wary mirage]

It would actually be very cool if they stripped them individually but idk how they could even do that

[full sequoia]

This. Certainly now without announcing it; we knew what would happen to the lamps. I dislike their removal, personally, but it was announced before I paid into my premier membership, so it's not something I can argue is unfair.

[weary hearth]

in the context that she's saying 'I supported jagex despite free trade removal, despite hero pass' etc I don't see an issue

[mellow hearth]

This is the last reply I'm making to this, as this is getting terribly off-topic to what my comments were originally about.

Please stop with the blatant lies and fabrications after this post. If you continue to delve down into this, you're going to get reported and blocked.

[clear arch]

they change the sub plan to legacy, and shift the reneal to the new 12 month. then it retroactivly removes people when there subs renew.

[cinder reef]

I could agree with that also. Perhaps if the news was released say, november last year so people could adjust beforehand

[gritty sequoia]

Let's have healthy discussions without threatening every participant with "you're going to get reported and blocked" 🙏

[wary mirage]

Genius. Let's get Mr. Jagex on the phone

[cinder reef]

this too!

[weary hearth]

on the other hand I think it would help to assume that people are trying to engage in good faith except where this is obviously not the case

Ezyon is a good dude, he disagrees with you and (I think) misunderstood you but he's not trying to wind you up

[fickle lotus]

I think what ezyon is saying is that a lot of different updates from different years and different reception is being grouped together.

Hero Pass and this are completely unrelated.

Hero Pass being badly received =/= this being badly received, or vice versa.

[clear arch]

would definatly solve all the grype, people can cancle and fall back to grandfathered prices or stay in the renewal knowing the benifits are falling off. without making anyone feel like there current sub is now worthless.

[mellow hearth]

You and Ezyon wont stop. Instead youre being offensive, dishonest and hostile, so yes, I will report and block you for continuing to act inappropriately.

[languid condor]

Seeing your graph stopping in 2023. I think we are misunderstanding each other, when you said "the majority disliked" the changes you were refering to old stuff ? Im only talking about integrity changes, so thats why im saying the majority of players are not against these changes. Integrity changes are the recent one not talking about 2023

[wary mirage]

Yeah I literally renewed two weeks before they dropped the Artefact bomb 😅

[fickle lotus]

Hero Pass was so bad I quit and so did a lot of people I know, on the spot.

Everyone I know that quit from that, that pays attention to RS3 still, are cheering for the roadmap and changes like this. Its a completely different crowd that would be upset about these things.

[gritty sequoia]

I've not said anything offensive, dishonest or hostile, please respect what the chat moderators kindly asked: no personal attacks 🙏

[weary hearth]

+1 quit for a bit (to play osrs instead lol) b/c hero pass

well I guess I quit mostly because I hated necromancy but hero pass was the straw which broke the camel's back

[clear arch]

i renewed mine in janualry right after the update on the 19th for 3 accounts.

[languid condor]

And yeah go ahead and report all you want, theres nothing innapropriate here, and nothing against the rules so

[wary mirage]

As a person trying to see both sides here we've also been told to just block people in general and to cease replying if we don't like what they say. No one here is anyone's personal army

[wary mirage]

Three? My condolences dude

[cinder reef]

yep feel free to share your opinions but try to not attack each other just for having different views on the update. Its a hot subject atm but we are all here wanting the same thing. to share what we think and leave our feedback 🫡

[fickle lotus]

I did on 19th on two accounts, first time I was happy to resub since 2023, having functionally quit (but resubbed for the experiments last year to show support for them the couple of months they ran). A friend of mine did as well.

[languid condor]

Yeah so removing it was a good decision, not a terrible decision

[mellow hearth]

From my original point: #1476217676966789265 message

YOU asked what changes I was referring to: #1476217676966789265 message

To which I answered a few examples over the years: #1476217676966789265 message

You then continued to double down and be argumentative, harass and get off-topic what I was talking about when I stated multiple times that was not what my original post was referring to #1476217676966789265 message

**Please stop responding to this further, as this is now harassment. **

[kindred zealot]

I don't think it falls under harassment

[true olive]

Ezyon and Mandy, walk away.
At this point you're both antagonizing each other

[silk magnet]

Lets make a big off topic post complaining about other people being off topic

[clear arch]

2 are ironmen chunk locked and staandard. so the benifits arent a huge deal to me. im really only upset to be loosing the vip worlds as they feel more stable to me.

[full sequoia]

As a mod in other servers (and admin as well), my advice there is generally to ignore people who annoy you, and if you cannot find a way to do that, to block them instead. But never to get goaded into continuously replying because (quoting XKCD) "someone is wrong on the internet"; because you're not going to change people's opinions about something by having a discussion with them.

[wary mirage]

[weary hearth]

did not realise you were a chunkman

presumably everyone will see this and immediately defer to your opinions

edit: also I really want to post that discord mod character selection gif but I feel that would be distracting

[clear arch]

lol

[fickle lotus]

The world is being kept, just not VIP world. So if they feel more stable they'll still be around.

[wary mirage]

😆

[clear arch]

i know my concern is that it will become less stable with being shifted to public servers.

[wary mirage]

Wait... you're chuck locked in RS3?? WILD. Sorry this is off-topic my mind is just blown

[full sequoia]

Personally, I don't think RS servers are all busy enough that you'd need VIP servers in order to have some stable haven

[kindred zealot]

Hot take: if you can't handle someone replying to your feedback questioning you on it, maybe just post it and walk away from the channel, it's the best situation

[clear arch]

yep.

https://source-chunk.github.io/chunk-picker-rs3/

[languid condor]

It wasnt even hostile aha

[weary hearth]

you're not the guy I followed on youtube a while ago who started in burthorpe and then immediately got smashed with a 99 herb grind on guams from the troll cave are you

[wary mirage]

Welp. I'm off to try being a streamer. Farewell everyone, I'll see you all when I'm filthy rich with Raid Shadow Legends money

[clear arch]

👋 have fun

[full sequoia]

Last piece of mod-elsewhere advice I will dispense: If you find that a particular discussion/argument is starting to look like trench warfare, where both sides are dug in and no argument you're writing is being read (and vice versa), that's usually a good sign to step away, take a breath, declare the discussion lost, and move on.

[kindred zealot]

We will see you tomorrow when you say it's not worth it

[wary mirage]

lolol

[weary hearth]

yeah rs3 is designed in a rough way for chunkers. really really tough to access anachronia or unlock the archaeology skill without first being required to grind every item from egwd

[cinder reef]

what do people think of replacing the things that were removed with some other things for all players rather than just flat out removal 🤔

[weary hearth]

nty to powercreep as a response to removing p2w stuff ideally

[full sequoia]

Sometimes, you get sucked in (even I do). That's why, when after a few rounds in any hypothetical argument, I double check and see that form of "trench warfare / digging in" occurring, I just check myself and take a step back.
I'm not targeting anyone specific here (I'm no mod here and thus will not play at being one in here), just some generic advice that has helped me avoid these situations; situations anyone can get sucked into, even me, trust me; it happens faster than you think sometimes.

[clear arch]

yeah defiantly not easy but i like that there is more content across the world to access. makes fast chunks much less (no content) then rs3. also stuff is accessible way earlier like Herblore. but with more tasks you can work through large grind with more smaller goals to give you little dopamine hits every once in a while.

[rigid thistle]

Yall knock it off.

[true olive]

Alright, let's get this feedback post back on track......
This is about the premier membership benefits. If you have other discussions, take it elsewhere ( and do so respectfully! )

[full sequoia]

I think I'm gonna follow the mod's advice and call it a night; it was a nice discussion, for the most part. See you all at some later point 🙂

[clear arch]

also sorry im off topic this definatly stemed from being on topic to off topic. appologies.

[mellow hearth]

Same, gn m8

[weary hearth]

it's just waaay too easy to get hit with a 10k hour grind to my mind

also bedbound

night all

[rigid thistle]

I hope everyone has a restful evening.

[languid condor]

I dont want to reply to that person at all anymore. Everything is fine im more interested in what Party has to propose for replacement 🙂

[gritty sequoia]

I believe Jagex tackled the question of replacing phased out items by underlining that they can no longer replace a set of MTX items with a different set of MTX items since they're all being removed, and giving direct GP as a replacement is not a healthy move either. Giving XP is also a striked through concept moving forward, so not much remains as a replacement.

Not everything needs to be replaced, doing things the OG way can be refreshing.

[wary mirage]

I think that in a larger view of the issue you can't appease everyone. That being said they're making good changes in re-integrating things into the game. Like Auras through Scrimshaws or Summoning familiars (110 Summoning update anyone?) It would be perfect if everyone got the rest of their subscription then individually people lose the benefits. I'm also aware how some things can conflict future content updates and it may be best to pull the plug on everyone now. They just have an issue with going "hey we're going to do this cause we think it's best." I do wish Jagex would start saying "hey we're thinking of this" instead of "hey we're going to do this"

[kindred zealot]

Tbh nothing needs to be replaced, most things they removed people never thought about or cared about, and only want compensation because it's the new hot thing to cry about

[languid condor]

Also it seems weird to replace something they removed because they decided it shouldnt be in the game, like what could be a healthy replacement anyway

[kindred zealot]

People will continue to uproar until jagex says "yeah you're not getting compensation" then people will move on, but the thought of free things will continue to make people show up to the gates waiting

[clear arch]

personally i dont think there is any good replacement for pay to win mechanics. or level skipping content.

honestly there is a ton of the membership locked out to ironmen because it breaks the nature of ironmen. if they have to lock it then it cant be good for the game.

[kindred zealot]

Also not to mention, getting a replacement to a removal isn't helping clean up the game at all, which is what this entire year is about

[languid condor]

Replacement for TH when ?

[cinder reef]

true. Maybe a nicer compromise for all the removal of premier tokens and loyalty points would be to be paid out rather than replaced? similar to how oddments were? So in the end you do still atleast get something rather than having paid for membership with all the perks in the last few months, and have said perks just removed after already being paid for

Edit: even though they arent paid perks specifically, but they are a part of the package you pay for rather

[pulsar urchin]

[true olive]

I'm glad they finally publicly stated what the plan is for premier membership

[languid condor]

That sounds better already

[clear arch]

same. im much happier knowing then not. atleast i know what to expect when it happens.

[true olive]

I'm a bit disappointed to be losing some of these things, but at least we're not in the dark

[wary mirage]

To me, the issue with refunding Loyalty from the Auras is difficult. Because for as much as I would love that to happen I've already used those Auras a lot. Which means they'd have to remove the progress I've made using said Auras. The other side of this is that the Points would only be spent on cosmetics which have zero use towards affecting the game. Catch-22 I guess

[kindred zealot]

It sucks in the moment but hopefully in december when we are looking back at all the updates, it will make sense why they removed it and you'll see the grand picture, maybe even get a 2nd year of clean ups if this year goes extremely well

[clear arch]

they are removing loyalty points too. so they would have to convert it to gp or runecoins. and they arent a 1 to 1 comparison. how would they even decide how much to convert it for?

[wary mirage]

Another valid concern as well. You don't want everyone to get their Loyalty Point stimulus check and screw the market

[kindred zealot]

Auras shouldn't get compensated in my opinion no, you got your use out of them, you can't buy something and 10 years later try return it for a refund

[languid condor]

Id use my shop warranty of 30 days

[wary mirage]

I still have ten months so it would be great if they gave me a lump of what I'm owed but block me from buying anything with it except cosmetics

[cinder reef]

to be fair i think for a million oddments only converted to about 250mil gp? Chances are if they did it wouldnt be too much

[kindred zealot]

I'd be fine if 1 loyalty point = 1 gp, anything more than that is too much

[wary mirage]

To add on, unfortunatly cosmetics are really how they're going to be needing to get extra income now as well. Likely won't go doing that

[languid condor]

1 million loyalty points 1 million gp lmao

[kindred zealot]

It'll be the same thing that odds were, people thought they were going to get rich by hoarding them, when in reality jagex would never allow that to happen

[swift knot]

1 million loyalty points = 1 million pats on the back while saying “ good boy”

[languid condor]

I read 1 million phats

[wary mirage]

If Mod Ash called me a good PvM'er I'd shit

[cinder reef]

deal

[kindred zealot]

I personally want Mod Breezy to read me a bed time story for 1 million loyalty points, i earned my time

[pulsar tundra]

The way i see it. Premier membership is like ice cream that you're getting for 40% off that has free toppings. Yeah the whipped cream, sprinkles and cherry are nice.
But they're extra. The entire reason you buy the ice cream is for the ice cream. Not the toppings.
Its perfectly fine without them.

[wary mirage]

First the pizza analogy and now the ice cream one. This is how we solve issues ya'll, I'm tellin' ya

[pulsar tundra]

People understand food. Its a universal language.

[languid condor]

Now i want ice cream

[kindred zealot]

Also, I am fairly certain buying premier is still cheaper than buying monthly, which every company known to existence makes the "bulk" option cheaper in the long term, that isn't going away, excluding grandfathered prices, which atp you're just profiting either way

[cinder reef]

what about a well of loyalty. Where prem members dump their loyalty points for a community event, and if we reach the goal we all get loyal title and high 5s from mod yuey

PS loyal titles for all not just loyalty members

[languid condor]

For me it would be cheaper to buy monthly sometimes i dont play for 3 months so idk why i bought premier

[mossy root]

Yes, it's significantly cheaper. Sometimes bulk discounts are pitiful like buy 10 get 1 free. The 12-month membership is much, MUCH better than that 😋

[gritty sequoia]

Premier costs 7 individual months, giving you 5 for free

[kindred zealot]

yeah that's perfectly fine then for that to be the only benefit

[languid condor]

So if you play less than 7 months you better off monthly

[halcyon niche]

Or if you have a grandfather rate

[gritty sequoia]

Yes, but you'll rarely play a lot for 7 months and not at all for 5 months, having the freedom to play throughout the year and participate in seasonal events has its value too.

[cedar shuttle]

too much change at once, will crash and burn and they will take half of it back im sure

[kindred zealot]

I don't play every month which is why I just buy membership through bonds, I can play when I want and for how long I want without my actual money getting taken from me

[halcyon niche]

Wouldn't you just.... unsub and resub in those times you feel like playing?

[gritty sequoia]

Everyone can and should evaluate the financial choice that makes the most sense for them personally

[languid condor]

I loved the freedom of premier but like my whole 2025 year i played runescape maybe 12 hours total so not worth

[wary mirage]

Hey I'll never be cool enough to have an Ironman or Combat Mastery chat badge. At least I can spend money on a blue star to feel special lmao

[languid condor]

I already played more than that because of heists this year. It really depends on if the new content drop interest me and 2025 was empty for me

[kindred zealot]

I am glad to see jagex trying to fix all the problems in a year rather than dragging it out over multiple years, the game has been a mess since 2013 and when you course correct it's gonna be a bumpy ride

[gritty sequoia]

A sub runs for a full month, you can't nitpick if you want half a month or a month and a half. You need to explicitly not play at all for 5 full periods of 30 uninterrupted days before it's cheaper to pick 7 or fewer months of playtime for it to be cheaper than a yearly sub.

[languid condor]

Ah no the best option is mobile 1 and 3 days for like crazy cheap

[wary mirage]

So what we're all saying is that anything outside of a monthly sub is FOMO based due to being locked in for a period of time long enough we can't guarantee using all of

[halcyon niche]

Yes i mean people who play rather sporadically that it's a net loss to sub a year to pay 1 at a time

[languid condor]

You can get a week membership also i think on mobile

[gritty sequoia]

At bad rates

[cedar shuttle]

Na I think they are creating more problems than they will fix. I agree TH got way out of control - that was their fault/

[languid condor]

Like soon havenhythe part 1 drops im gonna buy 3 days its gonna be enough surely

[halcyon niche]

TH was the most critical and did have to go for mostly ethical reasons. But other choices are questionable

[cinder reef]

same

[languid condor]

They are fixing mistakes and problems, not creating problems tho 🧙🏻‍♂️

[true olive]

"Crazy cheap" if you want to test it out (or remove the trade cap)
But .99 USD for 1 day is expensive compared to what a month rate /30 is

[languid condor]

Yeah it really depends how you play, comtent doesnt drag me long enough these days

[halcyon niche]

There'll be some people that would save money on 99c per day rate lol

[true olive]

Im sure there is

[kindred zealot]

If I could toggle chat badges to only be in game achievements, I wouldn't care if it stayed or went, but having a blue star for the sake of bloat and feeling special is just not it for me, the amount of people who actually care about a blue star next to your name I'd wager is less than 1% of people who ever see it

[true olive]

I think the 1d and 3d packages are single buy options. You can't buy it again to do the next quest unlock

[cedar shuttle]

You shall see. They are already playing games - these minor qol things they have mentioend but arent just implementing

[languid condor]

No you can buy them often

[languid aurora]

hi guys i heard there is chaos here... i personally don't like the changes today either tbh.

[true olive]

I used the star for a long time. It was different when it was first released. Now, there's so many people that have it that I turned mine off to be different

[halcyon niche]

I've had a guy go out of his way to let me know he was putting me on ignore because when i dpoke in chat the prem star was on by default

[true olive]

That seems a bit excessive

(I'd find it funny)

[halcyon niche]

Somehow I always manage to attract excessive responses. Had multiple events just today even

[clear arch]

i dont think ive ever turned my chat badge on.

[true olive]

I do (currently) miss the artifact, but that was mostly for aura resets and those are going away. Sooooooo

[halcyon niche]

Honestly, i find chat badges to have a practical value.

If you're the only on in an area and typing it's easier to identify whos saying what much quicker.

Sometimes reading names is just a blur

[wary mirage]

Ah yeah I agree. Just being silly. Someone mentioned a Master Quest badge for "lore enthusiasm." Loved that idea.

[cinder reef]

I wore it to be cool, but zenis right, almost everyone has it. Therefor everyone is cool

[true olive]

That's why I like some titles too. I can usually find a friend's name in a long list bc I know what color their title is

[gritty sequoia]

Titles are far more unique than having or not having the same badge, when it comes to differentiating chatter

[candid lake]

now we got league and star being able to be shown at the same time. either someone bugged or its a yes. curse you 1 minute timer. :sus: timer abuse by zenigame waow

[true olive]

Can they show together?

[halcyon niche]

I find titles a bit obtuse. Especially the longest ones

[true olive]

Fair point

[clear arch]

this could be solved by chaing friends names to green instead of white if they are on a firends list. and clans to either gold or purple.

[gritty sequoia]

Half of the public chat in w2 or w84 having the star, and half not having the star, does not help me find messages of specific people at all, titles do

[candid lake]

tbf, you cant f ind specific people anyway. not on those goofy packed areas I mean

[halcyon niche]

I just like things from a simplistic sense... part of why i like rs. Probably the first idle game. Before cookie clicker.

But there's a concerted effort to remove that idleness

[gritty sequoia]

Sure, but if you were to use a visual aid at all, it'd more likely be a coloured title than a premier star.

[misty temple]

I'm okay with loyalty going away but I just wish we were compensated for it somehow. I bought premier for the loyalty points so I can unlock certain cosmetics... I wish loyalty pooints would get converted to rune coins or something.

[gritty sequoia]

It's best to spend any points you have left on cosmetics you haven't unlocked yet, and to just claim the monthly free drops thereafter.

[devout bone]

Do we get to keep our cosmetic we have now?

[gritty sequoia]

Of course you keep them

[wary mirage]

Off-topic, I know, but I'm curious since money is a topic right now. Would they save money by taking some servers permanently offline? Like, do we really need two worlds for Castle Wars (24/59) and a Livid Farm one?

[devout bone]

IkR, like it's become anti-gower!@lord pumkin

OK, what does this mean for the future of bonds? In all seriousness, I have used bonds almost every year to pay for a premier membership for 13 +years

[wary mirage]

Currently they're tanking but they'll stay. Ignore merchers

[shell meadow]

no reason to not let u get prem via bonds, you can do the same on osrs

[devout bone]

With no premier membership can we still use them for 12 monthmembership and if so will we we able to have the same value as before ? you just mentioned they are tanking

[silk magnet]

There's no reason to believe bonds will change in anyway regarding membership, you'll be able to get the 12 month for the equivalent discounted price I'm sure

[ruby dawn]

This was polled a long time ago and failed because people wanted more worlds to camp things without crowds

[wary mirage]

A lot is going one that's affecting in-game price so it's subject to change. Outside of the "they who shall not be named" putting their website behind a sign-in screen. That's beside the point. Bonds won't go anywhere irl nor will they likely decrease in real world money since they just increased

[shell meadow]

technically you always pay more for members via bonds than actually just swiping card, but its still 20 bonds for premier + u earn it via ingame means

[gritty sequoia]

Premier membership is simply being renamed to a 12-month membership aka yearly subscription. It can also be purchased with 20 bonds.

[wary mirage]

Dang, I never knew. Thank you. Just feels like the game is so empty a lot of the time which is what I feel they're trying to revert

[devout bone]

Atm trying to get enough for 20 bonds before they shut premier off to be laced in. I'm grandfathered in my membership, as they stated we would be, with the changes: 20 bonds bought = more than a year membership in game as 3 bonds bought $25 u.s. dollars, so $100 would be 12, not 20, so how am I able to get them otherwise ?

[wary mirage]

Someone here did the math. It's like 2 bil for a 12 month using bonds

[silk magnet]

They could probably force it if its something they really wanted for 'restoration' reasons. A long list of low populated worlds isnt the most appealing thing for new players to look at

[devout bone]

So why not make a prepaid year's card for membership instead of only the $10 and $25 ones? Not everyone has a credit card or wants Jagex in their RL bank

[gritty sequoia]

There are a lot of payment methods for a lot of regions, we are not limited to credit cards at all

[wary mirage]

Unfortunatly I am. Being in the states I can't use my debit card. Bank won't lift it. Gotta use credit

[gritty sequoia]

If you have grandfathered rates, then that is the cheapest rate you'll get for as long as you don't cancel it.

[ruby dawn]

It's still a valid take, I agree that many places feel empty. Could be a good opportunity to repoll, as this was back in 2014. It's the 3rd one down in Ruby https://runescape.wiki/w/Player_Power/Past_polls/2014

[devout bone]

Yeah, tried using my bank card it got rejected by my bank. I got the fraud alert after three days later lol .went to the bank, told them to allow it, still trying to attempt again -PayPal doesn't work as their systems seem incompatible with my (region)

[wary mirage]

Yeah I was gonna say. Never heard of jagex doing a non-OSRS poll in my life lol

[wary mirage]

I feel ya dude. I have great locks on my card. I exclusively use it for Runescape so I know if something goes wrong it's their fault lol jkjk but maybe not

[steep radish]

I'm exactly that criteria, and I know a few others who are... At least one has said the inevitability of it from reading the blog post is enough to just end their relationship with RuneScape, so there'll likely be less feedback than the eventual oversized reaction to it

[main notch]

I'm trying to understand all these changes? I'm an older player and I don't understand whats being done

[gritty sequoia]

What part of the news post is unclear?

[fading sphinx]

Stuff is being taken away. Some consider it a good thing. Some do not

[clear arch]

i use privacy.com to divide transaction out so i can see where the money is going and even set limits so i cant be charged more if a subscription increases that im not aware of it just cant go through.

[pulsar tundra]

Alota stuff from premier memebership is being removed and its being renamed the 12 month membership package.

[devout bone]

Not many are going to pay rl cash for this game if they keep taking stuff from us expecting profit in their company -this isnt about integrity its about them loosing money . They are going to come for the Iron men/women next since they don't offer the community any profit therefore don offer jagex anything

[gritty sequoia]

What

[main notch]

I also read that they are taking loyalty points? why I'm not understanding that either

[gritty sequoia]

In the news post it is stated that with the removal of auras, there is no clear path for the store for which you use loyalty points. Cosmetics part of that store will become available as free monthly drops you can claim.

[main notch]

I've already looked there is hardly anything there

[kindred zealot]

That's exactly why they are getting rid of loyalty points, there is no need for them anymore after the changes, they would just sit there

[gritty sequoia]

Seems clear to me

[main notch]

if they put something in there worth getting the points wouldnt have accumilated

[devout bone]

getting rid of loyality points is a slap in the face like staying withthem despite chages we hate should matter to someone

[gritty sequoia]

What

[kindred zealot]

How does it feel like a slap in the face to you

[main notch]

it doesn't feel good to me

[kindred zealot]

I'm just trying to understand how, there is nothing to use them on, are you upset when the garbage man takes the garbage out of your driveway? Lol

[pulsar tundra]

Loyalty points will be useless so theres no reason not to remove them.

[dusty kelp]

This is... interesting news. I find their spiel on the 'core identity' of Runescape nauseating truth be told. A snobby artist talks like that about his 'vision'. As a real artist, your job is to create content and to be content with letting people interpret that, even if its against your own ideas.

This smacks akin towards someone ripping paintings down and crying 'This is junk, you dont like it!' If this is how they act towards the game, I wonder if Havenhythe will really be as special as they make it out to be. I certainly wonder at how it will launch.

[devout bone]

there's been many changes in the game rs3 , especially there was a huge exodus of players who went to OSRS .I feel the OSRS system in updates, matter more there than in RS3, RS3(Jagex predominantly controlled) with out player consent don't respect its player base

[halcyon niche]

People have been wanting loyalty program to have more incentive though.

[gritty sequoia]

People have also been wanting things not to be locked behind programmes like being premier for 8 years in a row

[halcyon niche]

So like the 25 year vet cape?

[merry cosmos]

idk what you are talking about, but they are a company not an artist

[devout bone]

yes agreed !

[kindred zealot]

I'd argue osrs updates don't get pushback because osrs is in a good place and has been for awhile, rs3 is now getting rid of the worthless stuff (loyalty points) and toxic stuff (auras, TH) so they don't really need to run it by the playerbase for every single thing, it's just one of those things that need to happen for the game

[gritty sequoia]

You can't seriously compare the 25 year veteran cape to an aura store

[dusty kelp]

A company needs both talent and business, if you tear out the talent, your company becomes a soulless shell and people leave it. If you have only talent, then you do not have the acumen to run it properly. Jagex is changing that balance in a way that makes me question how stable their systems will be in a year.

[halcyon niche]

I wasn't comparing anything to the auras at all. I'm talking about the loyalty program.

It could be purely cosmetic abd still have an incentive

[flint atlas]

They need to take more time with the aura removal. I think most of the other changes and proposed changes are quite positive

[devout bone]

its a euphemism obviously and yes there are several artist within the company who take their Job seriously as regards to stuff like environmental art (which is why gilneor has been graphically reworked ) because the :":artist " wanted to do refreshes on old art work in the VIDEO - game =moving art on computer form

[halcyon niche]

The core issue i have is only the fact it's a take back.

If a business releases something and then takes financial gains from it, only to go "you know what... I'm not happy with this I'm taking it back " then people won't respond well no matter the argument.

In short... should always avoid doing it in the first place if you plan to do this. It's a business move that should be avoided and always criticised

[dusty kelp]

That move leads to lawsuits if Im not mistaken.

[kindred zealot]

They're not taking anything back, they are removing waste of time/space items, did you really think premiere benefit's wouldn't be touched in any way? Not even trying to troll it's a genuine question

[zealous apex]

they rip off mtx, random premier benefits, and a cosmetic shop

[merry cosmos]

ohhhhh right, i knew they were lacking of artist when i saw this in the UI update

[halcyon niche]

Back in what.... 2010 when it started? Why would anyone

[devout bone]

there are recalls if u run an auto industry and your product causes harm or malfunction, Jagex provides a service -if certain criteria aren't meet ,this doesn't mean you just throw a hissy fit , open some polls get feed back like

[gritty sequoia]

High quality feedback

[halcyon niche]

Who's throwing a hissy fit? I just have an opinion that despite intention something can still border on or even be unethical for various reasons

Also recalls are about actual safety issues, not the manufacturer decided they didn't want headrests on seats

[dusty kelp]

I would not consider the items which have been spooling in the market for years to be a waste. They do make up a core piece of the game. For example, my legendary horns. I bled a little money and alot of blood for them. I got them back in the Oddments shop this year by some miracle. I burned to get the Vyrewtach set for those wings.

If I would be told that they do not like the artistic vision of those horns and decided instead to turn them into something else, or to refund me, I would not be happy no matter what they gave me. And being told tough by them, or the community, would probably not be recieved either.

[kindred zealot]

Because they have been very open and honest about every aspect of the company and game being cleaned up, this includes the Solomon's store and premiere membership, it's not like this came out of no where

[devout bone]

they are taking stuff away from us -Premier will have no extra value because you are secretly removing the distinction from REGULAR membership ,First they TOOK the Artifcat .....nest the TOOK premire token ! tell me again ho they aren't taking things from us ? waste my foot .....this is just poor leadership and borders on cooperate tyranny

[dusty kelp]

As I see it, you have two options. You can either live with it, or you can leave and vote with your wallet. They knew theyd take a hit. I know many whales have already deep dived since TH was broken.

[halcyon niche]

So not in 2010 then.

If now... i still don't have to agree with it. I can have my own opinions it doesn't mean I'm going out of my way or anything just because i voice my concern/thoughts

[devout bone]

still in this amoung other rigged "survey we weren't given a no option ,many agree just check reddit as well

[dusty kelp]

I believe there was a thread in here that took a much more accurate consensus than the 'rigged' vote, it was over 90% wanted TH gone. And there were thousands of votes there too.

[halcyon niche]

I think you tagged the wrong person... none of that matches to me

[zealous apex]

yeah, besides, what premier benefit is really that strong? maybe the artifacts 10% but really thats not gonna make an insane difference

legendary pets are nice but only scavenge is commonly used, and that has a pretty long cooldown

other than that, its just cosmetics

[pulsar urchin]

Moving beyond the takeaways for 2025 - do ya'll have any feedback for what to include in the 2026 Premier package? Aside from the discounted membership rate 😋

[dusty kelp]

I just want them to not mess around with the cosmetics we have. Discontinue or depreceate them, but do not remove. :/ If you want suggestions...

[merry cosmos]

i liked my 50% save porters chance :D, and my aura reset, mostly, the others buffs where just situational

[gritty sequoia]

The direction the game is taking and the thought process behind every element of the roadmap has been consistent since the removal of TH. Odd non-fitting elements and currencies have been cluttering the game since EoC and it's a healthy move to revisit those and trim the bushes.

[kindred zealot]

You still get value from paying for 12 months of membership, you don't need all the extra stuff especially pay to win aspects like the artifact, the blue star and loyalty points are just cleaning up the unnecessary parts of that 12 month membership deal, at it's core you're still getting the same value out of the membership deal, I genuinely don't understand all the doom and gloom over a very tiny change that isn't going to affect your gameplay, and at the end of the day you could always just not pay for premier if you think it's no longer worth it for you, vote with your wallet

[devout bone]

I could if i am given control of my own server ,I can pad the numbers in any way I see fit kinda lik e their own Vatican -they own it so they are right philosophy

[dusty kelp]

Go with your core identity thing for the 2026 package as a year end thing, come out with some new classic looking armor thatll cap off the year. Or I dont know, do something vampyric for Havenhythe. Just dont frig with my cosmetics or make them available elsewhere.

[halcyon niche]

Th removal wasn't rigged.

As someone who's spent thousands on it.... i agree with the removal. It's always been predatory and anti consumer.

Removal is a good thing.

It's just the deletion of everything tied to it after making their money i disagree with

[zealous apex]

premier package should include a free potato everyday

[merry cosmos]

oh and of course the loyalty points for auras, but since thet are removed, meh

[kindred zealot]

People act like if there was a "no" option TH would still be here, the people who voted no just didn't vote at all, the outcome would've been the exact same

[dusty kelp]

Oh we all knew TH was canned. Im upset that they think that since they got to remove it, they have to remove everything else, including good things, that made Runescape what it was during its Dark era

[halcyon niche]

It was always getting removed with what's happening in the UK and a few other things

[merry cosmos]

i voted yes for removing th, and already knew it wasnt a real vote, specially when i could vote with my alts despise the jagex launcher, specially when they allow f2p to vote too

[dusty kelp]

What Id really like them to do is before they send Solomon off, to at least get his stuff to where it migth be available elsewhere. And maybe bring back some old stuff. I miss the Headbutt mining emote.

[halcyon niche]

That.... what... if the other 169k people also did that that'd be the most amusing thing ever

[merry cosmos]

i would like to see how many other ppl would vote no, but the decision was already taken, i think they just do the vote that way so they can use it as a form of marketing, idk

[devout bone]

I'm not a gun ho PVM like 80 % of this game feel they have to become to pay in game for memberships through drop -rates they in their elitist group of PVM "gods " - the games genuinly become slanted towards only one style of play -and soo much less chill and they say they are trying to eliminate the fact u have from having to play a certain way ??? sheesh i feel if i don't make 50M + a day bossing to pay for bonds to pay for premire (which is getting nicked ) but "yearly now ? membership I might as well quit because soon membership will be so high w/o any mXT to offset Jagex's profit loss whch is eventual it wont be worth it ( like WOW) to play

[dusty kelp]

As the Marketplace is, its woefully tiny, and looks more like a prototype to what it should really oeprate as. The Wardorbe is a better place to go shopping at at this point.

[halcyon niche]

Don't think we'd ever get a true accurate count. The squeaky wheel gets the oil is a very true expression

[main notch]

you think they would give an actual count I find that very unlikely

[dusty kelp]

I think TH was truly ready to go. As much as I dislike whats happening now, when I do look back at it, I realize wed be in a worse spot if we werent here arguing over what theyre doing now :/ It sucks to think about that. That this is the good timeline.

Also this guy VVVVV

[fathom rose]

If government laws/mandates regarding MTX are driving the changes to premier i would hope they would just be forthright with that. Everyone would understand way more.

[zealous apex]

why are we arguing that th needs an accurate count? ngl jagex couldve just removed it without polls and it would be fine

[halcyon niche]

Im saying even if they had a yes or no poll not everyone is going to bother looking for it.

Some people honestly aren't phased either way

[kindred zealot]

I'm no where near as good at pvm as I'd like to be but I still buy bonds just fine, I understand my situation isn't going to be the same for you but even in your example if you make 50m a day, that's a bond in 3 of your 14 days, that's very very do-able

[halcyon niche]

I don't even vote in elections and it's legally mandatory here.

[devout bone]

Jagex being manipultive - omg perosh the thought to be dishonest for profit -NOO a company would never do thata no ? then say they want integrity for a game they are ruining lol

[gritty sequoia]

For me they're doing the opposite of ruining it 🙂

[halcyon niche]

Might wanna tone down with the sarcasm... they don't like that

[devout bone]

they don't like free speech or free will either but they do like my Money

[dusty kelp]

I just want them to do things properly so the minimum amount of fuss is achieved. Runescapes changed alot, I want what I care about most to have a place in the future. And by now you can guess what it is :P Also it sounds like pink has that spongebob mocking chicken voice stuck in their throat

[zealous apex]

i have been player for around 7 months now and based on my experience, jagex seems pretty good lol
i dont remember there being an change or update that i rly dislike

[kindred zealot]

Tbh nothing they will do won't cause fuss, especially with this I have a hard time seeing it as anything other than people just hopping on the hate trying to get free things

[devout bone]

fair but I want a say in to actually be counted with out coperate greed being a factor like OSRS is more or less . atleast the community gets a say

[devout bone]

thats because they are trying to trap new players to make it seemly more rewarding to be a new playet while kicking us end game players into silence

[dusty kelp]

Aye, and thats a part of how the game just is Zar. Ive seen tons of change in this game, and Runescape is very different from what ti used to be. I want its future to be something better than its past, not to be the past. Runescapes Dark era did define the game and how it is now, and to ignore that is to alienate a ton of what is left of the playerbase and not set a good example for future comers.

We can drop stuff like mtx, we can drop mechanics, we can redo the whole combat sequence if youd like, but dont forget that in the end people just wanna play the game the way they wanna play and that taking stuff away from people upsets them if you do too much at once.

[gritty sequoia]

They're actually improving the experience for new players, thinking the contrary is odd.

[zealous apex]

???

[halcyon niche]

I mean .... catering to new players is vital to keeping a game going.

Just aslong as it's not at the expense of each other

[devout bone]

agreed !00% they need to stop alienating peopel

[devout bone]

but it seems for new players to benefit we have to suffer , new players shouldn't be able to for example fish shark straight off because that demeans the player who worked hard to get that level to do so or hte quest to unlock the area to do so

[gritty sequoia]

I'm not suffering at all

[zealous apex]

whats at the expense of older players tho?

[halcyon niche]

Funny how i get two replies both opposite of each other still misreading what i mean

[devout bone]

give 'em a minute

[devout bone]

look up quest reward nerfs on any reddit

[zealous apex]

what got nerfed? th keys lol???

[halcyon niche]

Quest keys don't count. They were an additional thing in the first place and now they are no longer an additional thing

[gritty sequoia]

I am on the same page as Jagex when it comes to contents of the news posts and the road map, I do not care for a medium money bag per month or a chat badge or a premier vault, personally. I understand this is subjective, I can therefore only speak about my own experiences, I am not suffering. No quest rewards were nerfed either.

[halcyon niche]

Suffering is an overkill word here but even if one person doesn't care, others still can

[foggy oyster]

i liked having that little VIP star next to my name

[deft haven]

They have cosmetics in the loyalty shop, Have you seen the crap they have it's not even worth the points. They used to have some things that you could use both points or coins but all the good stuff went to the rune coins shop under the same ppl that gave us TH. The only thing good in the loyalty shop has been the auras and some animations. We have been wanting better stuff in the loyalty shop for years but they gave us nothing, all went to rune coins. Now they have decided to rip it all out and leave us with crap to spend millions of points on. They could let us convert our Loyalty points that we saved up for years to coins at a fair conversion price so we could feel like it's not all a big waste since the auras are being removed (not all aura perks will be added back such as wisdom and JofT so we spent points on things they will remove. So it's just bad to take something away after you gave it to someone out of a LOYALTY program. can't you see how wrong that is. It's like they are saying here is this for all the loyalty and then saying nah I take it back.

[kindred zealot]

Time to replace it with a CA achievement, get that bag , pop off

[halcyon niche]

Didn't finish reading but i was referring to people wanting them to revise the loyalty program to be more worth it. Not a "in its current state" sort of thing.

Even if just purely cosmetic.

A loyalty shop outfit doesn't impact anyone

[deft haven]

👍

[devout bone]

I disagree , A lot of players exploit quest rewards for as much as they can -cry after they earn membership gp they cry the content is OP - what's jagex do drop in a hot -fix/mess nerf -go look up the history of the holy wrench for example how bout the Bird and the beast event . look how prayer used to be ,how poison used to be. yu are new as you say so you may not "get it " quit yet or feel our pain so to speak no offense

[foggy oyster]

wouldn't be a pretty star, shame

[devout bone]

but given the option for the cosetic shouyld u want it is nice , to have that choiced is what matteres

[gritty sequoia]

I never said I'm new, I've played for 19 years. It's amusing you're randomly using a historical changelog of the holy wrench as a means to attempt to claim they have recently nerfed quest rewards. Also what's with your sentences..

[halcyon niche]

Finished reading... yeah, we were same page oops.

And yup.. just thinking now deleting loyalty points after so long is... weird. Pretty sure i got over 5m points

[kindred zealot]

Like I said earlier I'm fine with the blue star staying if I can personally disable it from ever showing up for me, it's fine if it's tied to in game achievements, otherwise no I don't want to see it

[deft haven]

I agree. I'm guessing they just never wanted to deal with the loyalty prog and just now said lets not make it better lets get rid of it.

[foggy oyster]

free instances atleast, whew

[deft haven]

They could let us convert our Loyalty points that we saved up for years to rune coins at a fair conversion price so we could feel like it's not all a big waste since the auras are being removed

[main notch]

i agree on that

[pulsar tundra]

I highly doubt they will do that since runecoins have a monetary value and loyalty points do not.

[deft haven]

they don't anymore for sure LP's that is.

[jovial fable]

Very few bosses actually have an instance cost anyway.
The only noteworthy ones are Raxi, Nex and Matriarchs.
Instance costs are a vastly outdated concept that should have been removed ages ago.
All the most recent bosses don't have instance costs at all.
Like, imagine doing Rasial and getting nothing but Mementos for an hour?

[kindred zealot]

Expecting a money value out of loyalty points is never going to happen yeah, and if it's a GP conversion legitimately the only real value is 1 point = 1gp

[gritty sequoia]

[halcyon niche]

Sadly won't happen. Loyalty points have no value. Runecoins do. So it's giving away money technically.

[foggy oyster]

True, most new bosses dont have a instance cost its gonna be an interesting few changes, wonder if fewer ppl will buy 12 month mems from now on

[deft haven]

I feel like it would make up for not giving us better stuff for our loyalty points and for removing auras we did get with our points. they can determine the conversion rate and give us a better feeling about screwing us over on the whole program

[kindred zealot]

You didn't get screwed over, you used the auras you bought, you paid for an item, you used said item, that item is discontinued, you don't get a refund for that

[merry cosmos]

btw, kinda off topic, but when is the dailyscape destruction update?

[foggy oyster]

early March is what i read in the newspost

[robust gull]

Yeah I know I was just wondering why someone was complaining about removing the free instance thing with premier when it's being made free to everyone. It seems some people either didn't read the blog or are upset that things are being made free to all members not just the special "premiers"

[merry cosmos]

so.... like 10th?, since 3 is the combat rework

[devout bone]

the british parliment decreed that our Gp hold momatary value so anythings possible

[jovial fable]

If you wanna be technical about it, your loyalty points also hold monetary value because you gain it for being subscribed

[devout bone]

the shouls open anything in solomons store to us free since th eprograms being abolished

[cinder reef]

Did anyone see anything about loyalty crowns? They were a part of the loyalty program and i dont see anything regarding them

[merry cosmos]

saw one comment, didnt bother to read at all, since i dont care about crowns, indded i always hate receive them since it was -1 bank space until destroy it

[hexed hearth]

why the hell is the stuff we payed for being ruined again, and to add insult to injury take our blue star!!!

[merry cosmos]

the removed of our blue star going to be the thing that detonates rs3 falls (?)

[deft haven]

I can get with that however they are just moving the stuff from solomon's into the marketplace I believe.

[hexed hearth]

thats what annoys me most as it dodnt do anything to harm anyone

[hexed hearth]

that star dosnt hurt anyone, just a sign we are vip and other people are not lol

[merry cosmos]

i used that star to laughs at poor ppl, now i have no way to do that u.u

[pulsar tundra]

They where part of a system that did do harm.
They're looking to move away from such things. Leave them in the past and look to a brighter future.

[hexed hearth]

HARM? the only thing doing harm is jagex pissing around with everything lol

[pulsar tundra]

Its the same reason auras arent just having the cooldown removed. Ontop of being much to strong for a permanent buff they are seen as a stain on the history of the game. Something that never should have been in the first place.

[pulsar tundra]

They where part of the horrid way of obtaining auras. That harmed players experiences.
Jagex is working to fix 10 years of mistakes. Id say loyalty points is a small price to pay for that.

[merry cosmos]

they simple should just eliminate aura and make them obtainable from ingame shops, like pvm hub or a "skilling hub", but whatever i think that ship just sailed

[hexed hearth]

im talking about premier items and membership

[pulsar tundra]

Falls in the same boat. At this point its all just bad for the game.

[halcyon niche]

That's only because of bonds being buyable abd tradeable for gold. And in a legal case surrounding theft of that value.

Loyalty points can't be bought in the same rapid fashion and there's now legal case on it.

It's not a very critical issue

[sage folio]

Premium membership a waste now want a refund

[unborn ridge]

So how many more things being taken away from us this year without any sort of replacement or warning, and how many more things will fall on deaf ears such as the UI change?

[quaint mason]

^ thats all there is to this. We paid for something and it no longer matches what was paid for. They're going to have to compensate people who specifically purchased Premier

[ruby zephyr]

Out of curiosity, for those of you that auto renewed premier membership... in what month did that happen?

[cinder reef]

early this month for me

im not in for auto renew though i just go and pay it as the time gets close

[neon robin]

Out of curiosity, will you totally cancel and quit or are u going to hope for a refund and then do a regular 12 month membership once u get a refund.

[cinder reef]

[lunar cobalt]

That's a very good point, however I gave mine up when I rage quit over game changes I didn't like. Will history repeat, looking more likely everyday.

[turbid ridge]

It fits with the narrative I’m seeing in all these changes, which is essentially a middle finger to anyone who has stuck around and funded the existence of Jagex for many years

[lunar cobalt]

I've a question, how do party hats fit into this new grounded vision of RS. Hardly fitting with the medieval fantasy identity you keep talking about. I guess you might add them to the free section of your new marketplace along with everything else. 😛 I'm trying to stay positive but honestly your killing my spirit.

[vagrant hound]

Partyhats aren't going anywhere they are like the most iconic runescape item

[lunar cobalt]

On that note .. was Santa a knight of the round ??

[lunar cobalt]

No disrespect but how iconic was the flaming skull? At this point whats not on the table right ?

[cinder reef]

did they say grounded to be more medieval though, or grounded to be more like Runescape

[hearty plank]

Good to note: Most of the stuff they're targetting are things that made the player more non-human, made of materials not found in-game, or things that are generally not in runescape its self to a decent extent.

Eg helms which turn you into a demon, an actual decaying zombie, certain troublesome outfits, etc.

Not a "would you see this next to merlin?"

[lunar cobalt]

Look don't take my comment about party hats that seriously I don't believe anyone has mentioned them. My point is simply when and were will this stop.

[hearty plank]

Unfortunately people have used the knights of the round enough it was good to note as people stuck to that in particular

[lunar cobalt]

You make a good point and I don't disagree. However, tell me how wings make you look more human and what material in game are they made of ... see my point?

[hearty plank]

That's why at the current phase they're targeting physical items, overrides are a different phase

Things that are seen without overrides

Iirc they haven't publicly disclosed the override phase's contents, just that it exists.

[lunar cobalt]

Hey, were getting off topic this thread is about premier membership. I'm enjoying our chat but were overshadowing what should be discussed here. I like the way your thinking though.

I guess for me Premier Membership meant more than just a discounted way to pay for RS. It may still be the cheapest option but your making it soulless by removing any feeling of VIP status. I'm OK with most of the planed tweaking of it and in the end its not a factor in any decision to play or not play. Throwing me a unique cosmetic is kind of just murrrrr given your going to give away free quite a lot of cosmetics when you decommission Solomon's and the Loyalty program. One point I might add, 12 mth membership was a commitment on our part to play for the year. I may, given all the changes consider monthly a better option to give me an out option if I don't like the direction your heading. For now I have 9 months to run so lets see how we go over that period.

[mellow hearth]

Extremely well said ^ I couldn’t agree more.

I really do hope jagex reverses these changes for premier membership.

[lunar cobalt]

Thanks, honestly I don't know what the right answer is. I've loved this game for 25 years and I'd like to love it 25 more. Here's hoping.

[wind moat]

RS4 - Arrived

[supple pawn]

Actually a question I had is why do we have only the option between 1 month each or 12 months? Why not 3 months?

[vagrant hound]

because 6 months exists

[gritty sequoia]

I will happily continue to pay for 7 months and get 5 for free 🙂

[muted pivot]

because they remove 3 moths option at some point, I don't think they give any real reason why

[languid condor]

Best option for casuals

[muted pivot]

you see a demon it has wings, you kill one, you remove wings from corpse, you for example can stuffing or mounting them like in Taxidermy you put them on your back, not a rocket science as long as they exist on some monsters in game

[rain zodiac]

I genuinely don't hate this idea. Those who can only play 1 day a week for a couple hours (like just on the weekends or something) paying the same amount as those who can get on every day for many hours feels a bit weird. That's the standard for every subscription ever though so can't really criticise it too much.

How I would love if I could drop a 1-day sub on Netflix or something when in a bingeing mood XD

[silent violet]

I have bought the 1 day a few times 😂

[cinder reef]

honestly, for 99 cents

[tranquil island]

Hey guys interesting choices but 90% of what you've done this year has either been removal or nerf. Give us a break and make something not just remove or change something.

[quasi bluff]

brother thats the whole point of the roadmap this year

[tranquil remnant]

Content is coming

[cerulean timber]

havenhythe is right around the corner

[steady hedge]

Balance of new to nerf/remove/change doesn’t seem balanced hopefully more so as year goes on.

[supple pawn]

Well the approach of giving regular members similar bonusses is a nice touch

With regards to the lil chat icon, I feel like that's smth that could be given as a reward for reaching certain 99 levels in skills

• Red skull: 99 in all combat classes
• Yellow skull: 99 in all crafter classes
• Green skull: 99 in all gatherer classes
• Purple skull: 99 in all classes
• Blue skull: 400+ questpoints

That could give smth distinctive to people who have worked hard and grinded for these skills

[quasi bluff]

mods and ironmen are the only people who should have chat badges. we dont need more visual clutter in this game .

[supple pawn]

Also an additional suggestion for the combat overhaul would be making the additional crit chance/damage outputs you get from levelling smth for F2P players

[teal raptor]

Looks like this is just another promising article title followed by a long list of nerfs with the slightest possibility of something in the future being made to compensate the player for all they've paid for being taken away. Even then, there's no clear plan on what the compensation would be so its just another empty promise that will get dragged until people forget or get enraged enough when the next mass nerf drops. In the meantime, they'll just stay busy removing comments like this one to maintain good PR.

[timid canopy]

This is the sort of ideas Jagex should be implementing, instead of just taking they should be replacing or adjusting .

Though saying that it might have to be changed to something other than skulls unless they're removing/replacing the hardcore ironman skull

[gritty sequoia]

This 100%.

[timid canopy]

if you want less visual clutter get rid of titles in public chat and only have it on people's profiles, those take up way more space

[cerulean steeple]

Ironman player tag has an actual purpose, it indicates a limiation in how the player can interact with you.
Premier star is just a vanity thing, it has no actual use.

[timid canopy]

personally have no problem with them getting rid of the star, but i'd pref there to be an even amount of give and take, but it's mostly take

[quasi bluff]

id love to see titles removed from chat. i think wow does titles too but theyre much less intrusive since theyre above the players model and you can hide other peoples names.

[quasi bluff]

premier is a wallet flex

[worthy forum]

other then the badge, can you describe what isn't being provided.
because you'll still have your free instance, youll still have access to world 52, youll still have access to everything except;

• Premier Artifact
• Icon Badge

which im going to be honest the removal of these 2 items aren't that bad.
If you want to pay more for your membership; feel free to request a refund due to the changes, and convert to a normal membership paying more for whatever reason 🤷🏽

[timid canopy]

If Jagex can create a toggle for cosmetics then a toggle for chat badges and titles should be no problem

[quasi bluff]

cosmetic toggles is going to turn out to be the worst choice since people keep using it to justify not removing bad core features from the game

[fading sphinx]

Would be nice, but would also piss off players and might make them leave, not sure it’s worth it. Maybe a title toggle? It’s hard to find people sometimes because of the titles that can be prefixes or suffices.

[worthy forum]

okay let me ask this
why is a chat badge necessary to show "Hey this person pays less for membership."
its no longer a VIP thing, tbh it really wasn't to begin with anyhow.

[timid canopy]

You have a 25th badge in your name as well as a W9 tag, if they were meaninglessly to you why do you have them?

[worthy forum]

I am specifically referring to in Runescape. The badge indicates you pay less money for membership; thats all it did.
theres not any reason to keep the badge, when it could be better reserved for various ingame earned badges whcih appears they are leading towards.

[fading sphinx]

Showing off/flexing seems like part of the game too. I find the comp cape hideous and want to feed it to my baby troll.

[worthy forum]

now if there was a specific thing to make Premier feel like a VIP treatment, then sure keep it but its just essentially a 1 year discount thats it.

I however do agree 120 all cape looks discusting, but many appear to disagree with me.

[timid canopy]

with all the stuff that's been removed from premier and just becoming a 12 month package deal, makes more sense for me to just fall back on my monthly grandfather pricing, I'm just trying to argue it's like these small cosmetics that made premier somewhat worth it for me

[quasi bluff]

monthly is great if you never plan to buy any of the new cosmetic outfits youd otherwise get for free from being premier

[worthy forum]

then do that? I see no issue with this.
but you should read about what occured a couple years back towards grandfathered pricing when you paid for premier.

because you no longer have grandfathered pricing if you were premier.

[timid canopy]

I'm fine with losing the star, but like I keep saying Jagex are mostly taking and not replacing or adjusting

[hollow flame]

yeh, becuase there's been ten years of dark pattern cruft build up to get rid of

[timid canopy]

Then please explain this, it was taken yesterday by me

[worthy forum]

unless something reverted that back in the day, I do not know I don't work for the company so I cannot explain. I am simply referring to a major backlash that previously exsisted around Premier.

[timid canopy]

Like the sayings goes words are cheap and a picture is worth a thousand words. I have actual proof to back up my claim

[worthy forum]

I admit the premier artifact being removed sucked, but honestly the features on it are essentially becoming irrelevant anyhow.
So how do you keep a useless item?

• The purpose of the removal is to not provide ingame benefits over others.

Well Loyalty points are becoming redundant too, so its kinda hard to keep that benefit too.

The badge is meaningless, and just gloats you pay less for a year, otherwise flexes nothing but your paying less.

in reality it made no sense to me that the discount exsisted while getting additional benefits. anyhow.

like I said though; I am referencing the backlash that occured when people were complaining that grandfathered rates were not being applied to premier users, however that being said; If you find you'd rather deal with your grandfathered rates, then do that; it doesn't really impact negatively for you or them.

[timid canopy]

I never used the artifact so I'm not exactly going to miss it, I do agree with people in falls under the somewhat pay to win category though so I'm fine with that not being replaced.

They also said they were working the aura bonuses into other content as well

[worthy forum]

then do you mind me asking what exactly are you expecting to have replaced?

[hollow flame]

it's probably worth acknowledging that the only not some sort of P2W aspect of Premier was the free cosmetic... which is staying... sooooooo

[worthy forum]

Yeah, the only other would of bee naccess to World 52; which you will still infact have access to along with all other members.

[timid canopy]

Loyalty points even though they stopped getting new cosmetic content after a while, still allowed you to buy cosmetic overrides and titles, I recently went on a spending binge and managed to get pretty much all the LP outfits like Retro barrows and dragon armor, only LP cosmetics I'm missing are just titles. You could even use them for things like Dwarven challenge and party packs.

Premier tokens were also another means to get some cosmetics you might have missed out on.

Some years even came with exclusive skins tones, animations and emotes.

[worthy forum]

but those are still going to become free to everyone 🤷

Loyalty Point Items are becoming added to the rotation of "Free Item" during each month, rather then the current repeating ones.

[timid canopy]

What is? (an entire free single item) we already had that.

Also having a few cosmetics locked behind a 12 month membership also causes fomo, the exact same thing Jagex claim to be trying to avoid with the removal of content like flash events.

[worthy forum]

your claiming to have Premier, and then claiming not to I am confused.

[fading sphinx]

Normally, consumers/customers hate having their stuff taken away from them. Especially if they feel they paid for it. Especially if there is no refund. So it is very strange to see people cheering it on. Rubbing it in maybe?

[timid canopy]

I never claimed I don't have it, i only said I might as well fall back on my grandfathered pricing after my 12 months, which you claimed I can't fall back on

[hollow flame]

more like, it's been ten years of dark pattern cruft being stuck on top of the game and seeing it going is great

[timid canopy]

The only dark pattern stuff associated with premier was the bonus keys

[fading sphinx]

I hated th and squeal too, but the chat badge seemed harmless. And the auras/loyalty points are from before the mtx dark pattern stuff and could have been fixed at any time with far less abrasion than removing them and loyalty points completely.

[hollow flame]

aura's and loyalty points are themselves dark patterns.

[worthy forum]

Auras being locked behind loyalty points sucked even as a VIP member. However I wish auras were staying with better alternative to obtaining.

[fading sphinx]

Making them buyable at war’s retreat was a great approach , shame they didn’t choose to expand on that.

[worthy forum]

The cosmetics of loyalty store I don't care too much about honestly. But I don't see a reason to keep the loyalty store with its current benefits as you'll likely see players accumulating more then they'll ever need then complain to have more added

[worthy forum]

I agree tbh

[fading sphinx]

They chose to neglect loyalty points, then gut what it could be used to buy, then claim that because they gutted it, it is no longer useful and should be removed. But if they did not choose to gut the usefulness, they would still be useful. I am not good with words so I am probably not saying it right.

[fading sphinx]

They could have converted it to a charge system that could be filled up with the war’s aura refreshes, maybe x amount recharges per day and is retained up to a very high cap, and then add a 1 minute or longer timer on aura switches to disincentivize aura flicking meta. And if aura charges/unlocks were tradable, it would add value to the marks of war and ungate auras by giving nonirons additional methods of obtaining them.

[drifting delta]

Having a premiere membership that added so much that wasn't actually needed can cause players feel like it's waste to not pay for premiere if you're already paying for membership. This is effectively fomo and a toxic business plan. People in every other community for basically anything complains about this type of thing relentlessly. I feel like the fact that Jagex is removing something like this is commendable.

[fading sphinx]

Premier was a great deal for those who play a lot and probably still is, but changing the deal after the purchase has been made is a nasty thing to do and an unnecessary risk too. A less abrasive approach could be to discontinue the current deal after an adequate notice period where the terms of the new deal after x date are plainly stated, but also honor the terms of the old deal until the paid for period expires (so if the old 12 month premier deal stops being offered on March 1, 2026, all the provisions should be active until expiration or March 1, 2027, whichever is sooner.) And because the terms have changed, auto renewal should be disabled to give the customer a chance to review whether they wish to purchase a 12 month membership under the new terms.

[swift knot]

I personally don’t care if I have a badge or not, and your perspective is just one way of seeing the take on badges, however here’s another perspective.
I used the badge as a way to show that I support the game enough to pay upfront BEFORE getting the “services rendered. “ That I trust the game will still be around in the next year.
There are 16 types of people and your and mine are just 2 .

I would find and feel that having a loyalty discount on top of the yearly membership discount, would make me more appreciative of the company than any gifts or boggles

[drifting delta]

i mean that's all fair. i was just commenting on the change itself but, but yea i agree that the terms should stay until your current is up

[fading sphinx]

Thanks!

[swift knot]

With all the withdrawals of items ??? Maybe??? A simple solution would be to add membership time to accounts that would be affected ???
Similar to the lockout/returned members received
Just a suggestion…

[steady hedge]

or offer a prorated refund

[lean hornet]

How on earth does Jagex think it’s acceptable to take away benefits we already paid for mid-membership? Premier Membership was sold as a package with specific perks — Vault access, Premier Artefact boosts, daily Treasure Hunter keys, loyalty tokens, Aura resets, etc. — and now most of that is just being removed with almost nothing promised in return.
This isn’t just “evolving the game” — it’s unilaterally changing the terms of a contract after people already paid for it. You buy a 12-month subs, and halfway through you suddenly don’t get what you were sold? At minimum there should be a pro-rata refund or an opt-out right for anyone who doesn’t agree to the new terms

[zealous apex]

dont you still get the rewards compensated for?

[stiff mural]

LLM response btw

[zealous apex]

ngl i think most of the complaints are just chatgpt-ed especially the rants

[stiff mural]

They are lmao

[steady hedge]

people are upset so they must be using ai

[fickle lotus]

No but they're doing a lot of

—

Which is not normal in writing but is heavily overused by AI.

And overusing phrases like "Its not x - its y". Both of these things are hallmarks of AI written text.

[stiff mural]

Can't even type '—' on a normal keyboard unless you're using alt Unicode combos (nobody is)

[silent violet]

you can on mobile which I'd assume is how a significant portion of people use discord

[oak magnet]

I purposely avoid AI whenever I can.

[stiff mural]

And the weird over use of contrast farming is a huge giveaway, theres more as well

[silent violet]

But as we stated yesterday, this is a feedback channel and criticizing people for the way they provide feedback including the formatting isn't appropriate for the channel.

[stiff mural]

Well my mistake then!

Here’s a more compact version you could post:

Premier was primarily sold as discounted 12-month membership on RuneScape — that’s the core product. The Vault access, artefact boosts, keys, etc. were marketed as added bonuses, not the main thing you were purchasing instead of membership.

You’re still getting the full year of membership at the reduced rate you agreed to. Live service games rebalance or change in-game perks all the time, and companies like Jagex typically reserve the right to modify those kinds of extras.

It’s fair to be disappointed if you liked the perks, but that’s not the same as Jagex voiding a contract mid-subscription.

[ionic axle]

Disappointed in the step of removing loyalty points.. could have thought of a new concept or something...

[steady hedge]

which is why they should just offer a prorated refund if someone so upset they can take it. jagex changed the terms thinking they should offer a refund not crazy

[ionic axle]

Imo this all should have been happened in 2027/after someone his/her premier is over and renew the premiership. Not remove stuff half someones premier.. first artefact, now loyalty points, blue star, vip world...

[stiff mural]

They didn’t take away the membership — they adjusted optional perks in a live service. If every perk change required prorated refunds, no long-term subscription model would work. That’s not “fairness,” that’s making prepaid discounts reversible whenever someone dislikes a change.

[pulsar tundra]

The entire point of premier was the heavily discounted membership. Everything else was extra free stuff.

[stiff mural]

This is exactly why I bought it! And will continue to buy it!

[ionic axle]

Pretty sure this year 12 month membership will rise to 100 euro/dollar + lol

[stiff mural]

Still way less than netflix/hulu, and I'm sure most that get 12 months spend more time on RuneScape than on netflix/hulu

its really good value

And ads aren't shoved in your face!

[steady hedge]

did i say they did but they offered those benefits are taking most away. but go off on defending a company i guess.

[stiff mural]

Calling it “defending a company” doesn’t change the point. Membership is intact. Perks in live services change. That’s not the same as breaching the purchase — it’s how subscription models work.

[steady hedge]

most subs dont broadly change the benefits a few months after most pay for it because lo and behold it makes people upset.

[fading sphinx]

Doesn’t double dash do it?

[weary hearth]

MS word also commonly corrects an endash to an emdash

[stiff mural]

I don't think so, but anywho, most people that go thru public grade school (a majority of the population) aren't using emdashes, or knowing how to correctly use them.

so it sticks out when you see it

[fading sphinx]

I use them—rarely!

[mossy root]

I also use — on a normal basis. I swear I'm not a bot!

[daring gull]

They're kinda common in academic or media publications

[fading sphinx]

I would not mind being one. Flesh is weak.

[stiff mural]

:p which is why I said grade school

[weary hearth]

we all know that the average RS player is better-educated than the average member of the population

also more attractive, better-smelling (don't @ me), more athletic, has more friends and a longer life expectancy

[lean hornet]

That probably depends on the country — and perhaps on the educational system as well.

[stiff mural]

I suppose, but I remember rarely, if ever seeing them few years ago before LLMs becoming mainstream

[lean hornet]

That’s not how subscription models work. A subscription means you pay a defined amount of money for a clearly defined service. As the customer, I can’t just decide to lower the price halfway through; the provider shouldn’t be able to redefine or remove core parts of the service after payment either. That’s the entire point of a contract: stability and mutual obligation, not adjustments on one side once the money is taken.

[stiff mural]

Contracts for live services already include clauses allowing feature changes. You paid for access, not a guarantee that every bonus attached to the bundle stays identical for 12 months. Adjusting perks isn’t unilaterally breaking a contract — it’s part of how subscription services function.

And no, that’s not the same as claiming contracts protect illegal actions. The point is that the contract itself typically reserves the right for the provider to modify or remove non-core features. If that authority is written into the terms you agreed to, then feature adjustments aren’t violations — they’re exercising rights that were already disclosed.

[fading sphinx]

Is it it opposite day already?

[weary hearth]

evidently I forgot to mention the player base's sparkling wit!

[swift knot]

Your forgetting awesome snarky-ness

[fading sphinx]

Those clauses are often unenforceable and get overturned because they are contrary to reasonable expectations and various laws which sit much higher in the hierarchy. Unreasonable terms and conditions just take advantage of the fact that not many people bother. Anyways, it’s strange to see consumers arguing away consumer rights, big or small.

[stiff mural]

Sure, some clauses can be challenged if they’re truly unreasonable or illegal. But adjusting optional in-game perks while delivering the core service isn’t “unreasonable” — it’s exactly what most live service games do. Consumer rights exist to prevent loss of what you actually paid for, not to guarantee every bonus or rotating perk stays fixed for a year. Offering refunds for disappointment is a choice, not a legal requirement.

[fading sphinx]

It’s not hard to argue every perk or bonus is part of what people paid for. The best way is to just keep it there until the current contract expires, it is risk free and minimizes customer abrasion.

[stiff mural]

If they planned to change the bonuses, ideally that would’ve happened before new Premier cycles went on sale — I agree timing matters for optics. But that doesn’t mean they’re obligated to freeze systems just to “wait out” existing subscriptions. Changes to perks were already covered under the terms people agreed to. You can argue it would’ve been smoother to adjust before renewal, but that’s a business decision — not necessarily a contractual violation.

[fading sphinx]

They might be. I am not a party to it, but it seems like an unnecessary risk and unnecessary customer abrasion

[steady hedge]

I mean don’t think many are arguing on legal grounds more perception thing which they want to improve I would hope. Things like this doesn’t help them even though I doubt many actually that mad.

[fading sphinx]

Typically if it is positive changes where the customer gets more then it is fine, but taking stuff away/getting less is where the trouble starts. And yeah it doesn’t help perception either.

[quaint mason]

What is being retired?
With the changes being made to the 12-Month Membership package, the following are being retired:

Item Info Timing
Monthly drops and Premier Tokens
These will be phased out at the end of 2026.
Unclaimed Monthly Drops or Premier Tokens will be automatically granted, on first login, after the changes take place in March 2026
Premier Token Store will remain accessible until the end of 2026
30th March 2026
Premier Chat Badge The blue star, and the silver star for PMods, Premier Chat badge will be removed. 30th March 2026
VIP Worlds VIP worlds will be redistributed so that they are accessible to all members. 30th March 2026
Auras The removal and/or rework of Auras is currently being looked into and discussed. More news on this to follow, as plans develop. TBC
Loyalty Store The Loyalty Store will be closing, all cosmetic content from the Loyalty Store will be relocated to Free Monthly Marketplace drop cycles. End of April 2026
Loyalty Points Loyalty Points will be discontinued. End of April 2026
Premier Outfit / Pet / Teleport animation These will no longer be part of the 12-Month Membership 30th March 2026

[fading sphinx]

If they push back the removal date to March 2027, it would be far more reasonable. Not that I use any of it, but why piss off paying customers when it’s not necessary?

[quaint mason]

My issue is that I committed to a 12 month membership because of a lot of this knowing full well I wouldnt be playing for a full 12 months for whatever reason.

I would have been financially better off buying a monthly membership. They have to compensate us for whats being removed, regardless of my opinion that it will be better for the game

[quaint mason]

terms and conditions dont supersede UK consumer rights law

[cerulean timber]

y'all

lets give the legal comments a rest

[quaint mason]

that might be the hottest take Ive ever seen

[cerulean timber]

it isn't a take

it is me saying to stop with it

this is not the appropriate place for those discussions

so don't have them here

[quaint mason]

so where is, this is where I've been directed to from their email. I'd argue it is appropriate considering the amount of people taht sunk a decent amount of money for a years subscription to a game to have the benefits they paid for removed no?

[cerulean timber]

Not on this Discord server

go elsewhere with it

you can give feedback on the premier changes

but keep the legal stuff out of this thread

[quaint mason]

you have a link to this elsewhere? I'll gladly take it up there.

I think pointing out a pretty glaring breach of consumer rights is reasonably fair feedback? I'll drop it but I dont see how you can justify that position

[cerulean timber]

Thank you for dropping it

[stiff mural]

I'm super excited for RuneMetrics to be free for all! Love being a numbers nerd

[mossy root]

🔥 yeah, I love RuneMetrics! It's cool how you can track drops, xp rates, etc

[stiff mural]

Also free bossing instances is amazing, always hated that, just punishing learning a boss

[swift knot]

Oh , sweet how many a day??
I hate paying to get an instant, then dying, then paying death… rinse and repeat.
Frustration and broke lol

[cerulean timber]

unlimited from what the blog mentioned

[swift knot]

Niiiiiiiiice

[dusty kelp]

Im just happy Runemetrics is free so my cat can stop tryign to buy it for me in an effort to tell me he needs more cat food. Which is a real problem :P I had to turn my keybind off so hed stop :P

[steep radish]

There's plenty of cosmetics to use them on. Instead forcing a specific free one on people each month removes choice (plus anyone who already has that one gets nothing out of it)

[steep radish]

I've been thinking about the cosmetic pack with it. When I read the news post it was a little ambiguous if it was a one off of each year, but assuming yearly...

To be equivalent in value to Premier before everything was ripped out of it, I'm thinking in the region of about twenty cosmetics with it... The membership actually being discounted rather than the most expensive way of me paying will be nice though... Still feels an odd move to shift it to being promoted as cheap rather than good value

[steep radish]

Mine was early January. The day before Premier got gutted above and beyond the already known TH removal. Very disappointed

[shell veldt]

FWIW, if you’ve paid for a boss instance, you’re entitled to it until the timer runs out even if you leave/die — the actual instance (from a technical perspective) is deleted as soon as nobody is in it (so if you’re solo, as soon as you leave the map chunk is deleted and e.g. any dropped items are gone), but if you go back and hit rejoin you’ll be back in a fresh instance with the same settings and however long is left on the timer without paying again

[stiff mural]

Yes, but if you've got responsibilities like kids or something its nice to be able to tele out without wasting gp (might not get back before the remainder of your instance hour is) or worrying about aura count downs

[swift knot]

Where were you when I was learning- true
However I take time to readjust, so I usually have 20 max , when learning a boss

[shell veldt]

Oh, sure, definitely going to be nice to not have to worry about paying, especially with aura removal as well. Was just specifically responding to the bit about “having to” pay for another instance after death

[steep radish]

I've used it on alts before. It definitely has its uses

[silent violet]

Yeah I recall using it on an alt during a holiday event maybe?

[shell veldt]

I mean, Premier hasn’t really been on a fixed cycle for a whole bunch of years now

[steep radish]

Yeah. A few friends did at Christmas to hand in all their tickets for the Black Partyhat draw (none of them won)

[mellow hearth]

This x 1000000000000000

[fickle lotus]

Havenhythe is coming in march, thats common knowledge

[pulsar tundra]

bandaids have to be removed before the wounds can be treated.
May look ugly right now but in the end it will be better.

[fickle lotus]

Its not like there is much more removals we should expect. The big ones were announced early and we've gotten the blog posts on those already.

[steady hedge]

I mean jagex is still selling a product they want people to pay them money for so you would hope they don’t want the game they charge a premium for now to be ugly

[weary hearth]

I'm still excited for the big 'we're deleting trading' announcement personally

[dusty kelp]

if youre talking cosmetics, people have the choice to see what they want to see now. I want them to not change what I wear because it 'clashes with their vision'. Im going to call bs on that.

[oak magnet]

They are deleting trading?

[pulsar tundra]

No. They are not deleting trading

[eternal spire]

Two questions one considering they rare do the Umbral chests offers any more with the removal of monthly drops does that mean deathtouched darts are going to fazed out as well?Second are we going to get a reduction in the premiere membership price? the removal of drops and tokens makes the current price ridiculous

[dusty kelp]

Unlikely there will be a price drop, in fact Id say the price is more likely to go up if Havenhythe doesnt draw the crowds Jag is hoping for. Add dtd to my list of things I need to use up...

[proud hinge]

As for deathtouched darts, yes, they are in the list of "ADDITIONAL ITEMS THAT MAY BE FULLY REMOVED FROM THE GAME"

[steady hedge]

Now or at end of year?

[oak magnet]

With removal of TH, subscription price surely won't go down.

[dusty kelp]

Well they said end of year, but considering wicked hood toekns are on the block, some mtxs might get chopped before end of year. Use em while you have them. DONT wait for the Dxp

[swift knot]

A mass production of plushies, IRL could cover costs, and yes I missed out on the first round of them … I want them soooo bad too

[steady hedge]

Great jagex with horrible communication for the 1000th time

[eternal spire]

i don't mean the subscription in general just the top tier premiere price

[ruby dawn]

What I would give for more/better merch. I'd buy so much but it's all osrs stuff

[swift knot]

Very true, that’s how I missed the set, as it was only advertised in OSRS

[dusty kelp]

Jagex communicated rought imes were coming for us and them. To me it looks like theyre consolidating and removing things, some so quickly they may not have thought them through, in an effort to do damage control. Keep in mind the flexibility of the things they remove may also be readded at later dates in different forms.

[proud hinge]

fwiw, regarding the wicked hood tokens:

[dusty kelp]

That doesnt necessarily prove anything one way or another. That just proves that they talked about it.

[steady hedge]

They talked about lots of things then done completely different

[fickle lotus]

Yeah but this is what we know from today