The Roadmap That Changes RuneScape Forever

[quick cosmos]

We get it you like the update but others are here trying to discuss their frustrations lol 😂 don’t gas light us now

[unborn monolith]

?

[quick cosmos]

lol.. ok then

[unborn monolith]

Yours and others issues only needed to be mentioned once, not spend over an hour screeching about the same thing when you're not the only people that have issues/concerns

I never said I didn't have any issues with today's update either

So nice assumption there

[ionic flume]

I would definitely prefer gray over brown at least

[fluid jasper]

always 😉

in conclusion:
if anything, the new ui should have been a third, default option to oldschool and modern
not forced on everyone without warning

[quick cosmos]

Everything you said mostly was positive about the update

[fluid jasper]

(why were the arrows fro switching action bars removed???)

[unborn monolith]

And?

Key word mostly

An issue is still an issue

Make an actual point or move on

I also myself said that the options should've remained for those that wanted it

[quick cosmos]

Wasn’t an asssumption , by your own words

lol ?

[unborn monolith]

I too like arguing in bad faith

[silent ore]

So there's no contradiction, therefore you're leaving it on an implication, which is what Static is asking you to complete in good faith.

[unborn monolith]

^

[slim glade]

Love the UI refresh, but PLEASE can we get the ability to move the clock back, I have big map and this is horrendous

[ionic flume]

Would love to see polls again

[fiery onyx]

Love the new interface but why remove all auras, took ages to get them in the first place, some of them very useful, like Penance or Greenfin
gers!

[unborn monolith]

They're going to have their effects baked into skills instead in the future most likely

Based on what the blog post says

That way there won't be the need to keep them

[ionic flume]

This is very true. Notably for ui color changes which shouldn't be difficult to implement

[dense wharf]

Atleast penance has a straight ingame replacement already in powder of penance

[ionic flume]

Really hoping they replace auras with Agility given buffs via stretches or even construction buffs really

[pallid spruce]

They are getting rid of auras too?

[cunning robin]

that is the intent, yep:

That's why, this spring, we intend to fully remove all Auras. No more Aura Refreshes, no more limited peak efficiency - just a more enjoyable gameplay loop. Meanwhile we will investigate if those benefits can be moved to be part of the core game experience.

[pallid spruce]

wonder if they are refunding loyalty points

[dense wharf]

You'll know when the time of removal comes

No need to panic before then

And even if they don't. You won't be losing anything

[reef siren]

Refunding to what end, surely there isn't enough in the store for people to even buy if you factor out the huge cost of auras? With the way this game is going they're more likely to remove everything from the loyalty store entirely (and points) and force you to use runecoins to buy them

[dense wharf]

You alreayd don't have the loyalty points anyways. And if they just put the aura effects ingame somewhere it's all the same

[sonic dune]

Brilliant to see a move in the right direction!

[tired folio]

short first impressions of everything in the post:

• the road to restoration: very happy to see a commitment to getting the game to where it needs to be, hopefully this continues into 2027 as well.
• treasure hunter is no more: GOOD RIDDANCE
• ui update, a new look: so i've been dabbling into old school for the past month and the stone ui ribbon really resonates with me, especially the classic layout, but all the icons in one big line isn't actually far enough for me, i would like it if they could be in two lines, laid out roughly the same order that fixed mode in osrs has them.
• visual update, cosmetic toggles: the big one for me here is pets and familiars, i see that its "coming soon" hopefully very soon! the other stuff is nice to have as options too.
• visual update, misthalin/asgarnia: one of my key complaints about rs3 right now is exactly that inconsistent visual standard, osrs runs an extremely tight ship whem it comes to visual identity and fidelity, major improvements need to be done across the entire game, not just the f2p areas.
• free runemetrics: i'm sure many would say it should have been free from the start, and it probably should have, one can only hope this decision is made with a good financial basis in mind, but maybe its another one of those necessary hits to the bottom like like treasure hunter removal, who knows.
• combat update, style modernisation: the closer we can get the old styles to those core essentials and the same level of clarity as necromancy, the better. excited to talk more about this when its a bit closer.
  • aura removal: most of the auras i won't miss, they're just making numbers bigger and that effect in most cases can be put almost anywhere, even incorporated into the baseline effectiveness of the skill, but there are a select few i think bear mention as ones that should be a priority for effect relocation: equilibrium, penance, resourceful, vampyrism, aegis. some of these have items ingame already with similar effects, but a key point of auras despite their limited time usage is that they are free to use and relegating these effects solely to their current ingame counterparts will cause issues. especially for penance.
• balance update, new beginnings: i think making people feel like they aren't just waiting to reach endgame and instead find enjoyment with where they are in the game is an admirable goal, though perhaps a losing battle
• game update, life after dailies: my ideal is no hourlies or dailies, some of them can continue to exist if they employ the fish flinger way of being a daily (you save up charges every day up to a cap which can then be spent all at once) but many of them are redundant and tedious.
• game update, ge improvements: great! the move people are encouraged to use the ge and the more accurate the prices in it are, the less scamming via direct trading or luring will happen.
• game update, api plugin support: this is probably the one thing that will bring runescape into its own golden age more than anything else, once every little valid gripe that somebody has can be addressed by a plugin rather than waiting on the slow, sometimes bureaucratic way through jagex development, i think we'll be a much happier playerbase as a whole as a result.
• Havenhythe: say no more, i'm in. (and intentionally skimmed this to not spoil myself too much)
• LEAGUES II: YES YES YES, MORE LEAGUES, and it looks like, based on the language in the post, that you've learned the lessons you needed to for this second one, extremely excited for this!

okay that's all my immediate thoughts sorry for wall of text

[sonic dune]

I'm honestly just stoked for the 3rd party client potential for rs3 lol

[pallid spruce]

You can get other cosmetics with loyalty points, so was wondering if I could get those with refunded loyalty points

[reef siren]

That's the thought but with what Jagex have said about wanting to remove the mtx currencies (already with oddments, future for TH currencies) - although they haven't said anything about removing loyalty points/store AFAIK, I think that will be a lot more likely than them continuing to cater to multiple storefronts.. Just look at what's being displayed in the marketplace, all of these 1k runecoin outfits and bundles, that's only a sign of what's to come. Gotta keep that store fresh so bond prices don't crash now that TH is gone.

[pallid spruce]

god I hope bond prices crash

[primal gust]

Have they just removed the loyalty store? I can't find it anywhere, just still able to find the cosmetically manually clicking every buyable cosmetic until I find one purchasable with loyalty points

[dense wharf]

Looks to me like it's in the exact same place on the website

[vestal spear]

Hi, why am I getting forced to look at a clock under the minimap, that doesen't show me my correct timezone.
Previously we had the option to hide it. Thats gone now. And an option to change the timezone is also not there.
Has someone found a fix?

[primal gust]

I just always accessed it from in game and they took away every way to open it in game as far as I can tell, will check the website

[dense wharf]

Not playing is the fix at the moment

[fluid shoal]

I have a concern about the API update. One part of plugins that I dislike is that it can make the game feel like you are fighting the mechanics of the game (tick system, floor tiles, optimal abilities) versus fighting a boss. For instance, if a plugin can use the optimal pvme rotation and highlight which buttons to press when you need to press them, the gameplay becomes completely changed and ability's effects no longer matter.

My suggestion is to limit some of the tools that creators will have available to them specifically in regards to highlighting or otherwise indicating abilities. I am personally ok with floor tiles although I think they may have a similar effect.

Looking forward to this year!

[dense wharf]

I have 0 faith that they'll limit the plugins in a good way

Outside of the super obvious bad ones

[storm osprey]

please for the love of god unattach the clock from the map, it does not belong there... i need my map space

[stiff hare]

I would like to second this. Plugins can be great, and really add to the gameplay. However, they can also detract from the gameplay. Things like quest helper just further enable people to not engage in quests. Rotation helpers like mentioned can get people to engage less with the combat system. Im sure theres other example of plugins which might be detrimental to the games health.

[dense wharf]

Not wanting to engage with the game is the main reason people want plugins in the first place

That and swapping menu entries i gues

[marble temple]

The first thing i noticed when I logged on. I see that they gave us the option to switch between circle and square mini map. Would also be nice to have the option to switch between the clocks as well. Much preferred how I had my UI previously when it came to my clock settings/placement.

Need to read through everything again for the roadmap and todays update. Finding some minor inconsistencies with the UI change between PC and mobile. Still some of the old color/style on mobile - at least I think so/on my particular phone?

At a quick glance, it looks like a pretty solid year ahead. Legit the first time I'm seriously interested in the roadmap in years. Spring-Autumn look stacked.

[obtuse scroll]

oh god just notice, why the hell they eliminate the arrows to move the main bar for god sake

[dense wharf]

Because just having 1 button to swap which bar we want there is enough

We don't need multiple buttons doing the same thing

Just click the number and choose your bar

Arrows really were just added deadspace

[inland cliff]

I'ma need a keybind to hot swap my action bars so i can action bar my action bar swap so i can swap my weapons to action bar my hot swap my bar action swap

[stiff hare]

Theres several things alt1 does which could be plugins that dont detract from the game - necromancy job bar gives a better (imo) ui for necromancy. Afkwarden doesnt detract from gameplay (unless you think tracking 15 min timer to not get logged is part of the gameplay experience)

Some stuff like clue trainer absolutely is used to avoid solving the clue puzzles and such.

[obtuse scroll]

arrows were a lot more faster than right clicking and looking for a bar

[dense wharf]

Yeah but we can also just have alt1 do those things like it already does 🙂

[primal gust]

Yeah, changing something that used to be 1 click to forcing another menu isn't great, especially for how little space the arrows took up

another thing that I wouldn't mind if it were a toggle, but just forcing it to be different than the last 15(?) years is annoying

[marble temple]

Idk man, I used Blitz for LoL and that did not detach me from the gameplay. To be honest, it made it more enjoyable. It gave me the "average" or "optimal" setup. Once i saw the rotation, I could go in and read what each of those abilities did, THEN i would understand why it is the way it is. Versus jumping around from ability to ability and trying to remember what each one does and why and how and trying to build it myself. I have the same issue building MTG decks. Its information overload and I cant do anything with it.

Ideally people would use it as training wheels.

[dense wharf]

time to remember what you put on each bar instead of just throwing it on random things

[obtuse scroll]

no ty

[stiff hare]

Idk much about LoL or Blitz, but for mtg, imagine if you had a plugin that told you what cards to play each turn. Would that be going too far? Thats what i imagine this worst case rotation helper being like, and I personally feel like thats going too far.

[inland cliff]

Alt1 is a hold over at best since its relying on screen reading and slow update rates.

[lilac veldt]

have they added the old colour back for UI yet 🙃

[dense wharf]

Trust me. You wouldn't have to ask if they did

You'd know

[primal gust]

No because having the old color as an option ruins their branding apparently

[lilac veldt]

their brand sucks anyway :kekw: - hence them having to do a whole "roadmap" for customer support LMFAO

[stiff hare]

I dont even want the old dark blue. Give me more colour options. A sexy maroon ui is all i want.

[primal gust]

I wonder if it isn't part of their plan to make the game look more like the old interface for streaming specifically, because why else would giving people a choice bother them at all?

[lilac veldt]

i liked someone's suggestion from earlier - just give us a colour wheel; let us pick whatever colour we want; it literally doesn't fucking matter what the UI looks like in terms of branding lmfao

[fiery onyx]

Thanks, see how the'll implement this.

[marble temple]

It doesnt give/tell you WHEN to play a certain ability or anything like that. It does set up your Runes/Spell automatically, Tells you the optimal path on the abilities to level up, and the items to buy. I could see something like that being very useful.

As far as something telling me when, vs MTG the field is always changing. Dont the combat cycles stay roughly the same in RS bosses (please forgive my ignorance - I dont boss)? Something like either of those options would be great for someone like me who cant get in to bossing for pretty much those reasons.

[stiff hare]

Bossing is, for the most part, extremely consistent, especially with optimized rotations. The main difference im seeing is that is kinda the entirety of the gameplay. In my opinion, telling people exactly which buttons to press at what times to execute a rotation is getting very close to just playing the game for them.

[crimson loom]

Personally I like the new UI, for the most part, I think the brown UI fits the theme of RuneScape more than the blue UI. Thinking back, the blue UI was probably too modern for the medieval fantasy world of RuneScape.

When I say "for the most part" and this follows what others have already said, the bank being slightly too dark and the clock being attached to the minimap.

I use the square minimap and the bare bar below just for the clock spoils it, I understand that it's connected for consistency with the circle minimap, but that could be fixed by having the clock as its own movable display again.

As for the bank, either it needs to be brightened slightly or the saturation reduced. Perhaps swapping the lighter colour of the title bars with darker colour of the active areas.

[cerulean python]

Ik it's been said many times, but just adding my voice to the crowd.

Please let me choose between the blue interface I've been using since it released and the brown one, instead of forcing the brown on me

[feral atlas]

Please let us have the option to have different colors and intensity settings for the UI.
This update actually hurts my eyes >.<

[tribal sluice]

The "forced" UI colour scheme being this particular type of brown makes objects difficult to discern in windows like the Bank window etc for myself and many others. The colour balancing is really off compared to before. Some of the text also seems double? Like one of those old printing errors where two images printed over each other weren't fully aligned? Please allow for a couple of visually helpful colour variants! The previous blue didn't give me the same obstacles I'm facing now, for example, but if you really want to keep blue in the past, other, less rich colours would also do.

[marble temple]

Yea, the low med high settings for transparency is kinda is lame. There used to be a bar slider and I could get it just right for my eyes. I would like the slider back

[fading lake]

emm were the theiving chests from falador castle removed with this update?

[marble temple]

I understand that. I can just see both sides is what I'm trying to get at in the end. For someone like me who can't boss, something like that would help me get into it. Again, ideally I/someone would just use it as training wheels and eventually just not need it. As far as putting limitations on it, I'm not sure how that would work and where that threshold is crossed.

[hushed flax]

The roadmap looks great, but man this new UI is pretty ugly. They really need to give us some option to choose the interface colors, with a primary/accent color or something. The brown is BAD.

Also, the clock being permanently attached to the minimap eats way too much space. The ability to detach it and move it around freely again would be great.

[burnt kindle]

completely agree, on top of which, the white is washed out in the buff bars as well, making timers hard to see

[burnt kindle]

yes, no idea why they took away the free floating clock and made it part of something I often close for more vision

[queen skiff]

Omfg what an S tier roadmap

The RuneMetrics being free is something long deserved

[azure barn]

Foresty south of Falador is such an unusual, yet quite beatufiful look. Environment team nailed it.

[marble temple]

A/S tier for sure. Spring to Fall looks stacked. I'm most excited about the Avatar rework, Runemetrics, combat updates (hoping it can let me get into bossing more easily) and the visual/grounding updates.

I turned everyone's cosmetics off and left mine on (Albeit my cosmetics are keepsakes so they are more grounded too). Now I feel like the world guardian instead of 100 others running around too. But that's just me

[near olive]

I agree

Agree

[azure barn]

Melzar's maze being in an underground cavern... I'm not so sure how I feel about. Interior looks great, but the concept of it now being in a random, yet seemingly massive cave at the edge of Falador? ermmm

[near olive]

yep

[wintry wren]

please give an option to change the UI back makes the game look like early 90s

[peak plaza]

God I love the classic chat window introduced

[hushed tide]

i have an accessiblity concern. because of my disease my eyes are not great and the UI makes it extremely difficult to see items in my inventory especially darker items. i was making incense sticks today and trying to see the ashes and tortsol in my inventory was a nightmare. if we cant have the blue back, can you at least give us an option to make it lighter? like the legacy skin brown was fine. thank you -a visually impaired person

[peak plaza]

begone old chat tabs and filters and everything

welcome back clean chatbox

[dense wharf]

I like it. Except for it not being resizable

My cursed ui likes a wide chat

[celest burrow]

This UI is horrendous, everything being all squished and boxy + the use of the brown color really ruins the vibe of RS3 imo
please Jagex give us an option to revert this

[near olive]

Why are you removing everything I use?

[ashen bluff]

To replace them with level unlocks.

[near olive]

They did not say that. They should say that if that is so.

[azure barn]

I rather enjoy the new UI, but also agree the option for the old UI should be available

[ashen bluff]

Its literally right there. "we will investigate if those benefits can be moved to a part of the core gameplay experience"

[near olive]

Meanwhile we will **investigate **if those benefits can be moved to be part of the core game experience. Is not something to hang your hat on

They can remove them and then leave you hanging forever if they want

[ashen bluff]

They will be adding them to the game in other ways.
They're already doing it with 120 combats.
They'll do it with other skills.

[near olive]

It just feels like everything is getting removed for a sorta promise

[weak igloo]

What are they going to do about people that paid yearly subscriptions for RuneMetrics Pro and they are about to give it free to everyone? Will they be refunding/prorating the unused portions?

[near olive]

Tell me how they will be adding them ?

[quiet marsh]

With auras going to be removed, are they also going to refund/prorate those wasted loyality points? Hmmm, just have to see what they have in stored.

[ashen bluff]

Leveling benifits most likely.
Make levling the skill actually benifit the skill.

[near olive]

Yeah I just had a friend just mention that

[wintry wren]

i hope so

[ashen bluff]

They have not said either way.

[dense wharf]

Let's only panic about it when we get closer to the removal date and we know what they're actually going to do with it

[quiet marsh]

exactly.

[ashen bluff]

Agreed. Alot is up in the air.

I have faith that they will do right

[dense wharf]

Or atleast untill we've reached the combat aura removal that happens alot sooner which may give us a slight idea of what they'll do

[quiet marsh]

They did say Death Darts may be removed as well. I have a few saved up for stupid bosses that I dread doing... definetly for quests.

[near olive]

I don't have any faith in Jagex I feel betrayed too much

[ashen bluff]

Thats a you problem then.

[near olive]

I'm not the only one

[indigo edge]

I too lack faith in jagex

[near olive]

yes, for the last few months I have been telling myself to have faith or wait and see. I have friends who plane on quitting and have al ready canceled membership. I'm tired of the waiting game they need to give us more that "we will investigate" the Fact that they decided to remove the artifact 5 days before they would remove it without telling they people who paid for the premiere membership says a lot about having faith in them.

[ashen bluff]

Im optimistic.
Either way, auras are getting removed and im happy for that.

[dense wharf]

In the end all the promised and things they mentioned in the roadmaps sound great

But it all depends on the execution of the ideas

[severe niche]

Teh clock in this spot is a choice I can't get behind, costs to much interface space.
Rest is great IMO 😄

[quiet marsh]

love the new tree design, just hate how the Whole tree is interactive and not just the trunk. trying to click on a specific spot can be difficult. have to the move the camera a lot, have to watch out for other trees in the area/behind the tree leaves and branches.

[near olive]

I was afraid of this. It's been an annoyance for me since they updated the tree models that you have such a huge click aera that you often click the tree before the thing you want. you would think they might test it out first in game but it's been that way for years.

[limber saffron]

We just got a full roadmap with plenty of information on fantastic changes. Yes, they have a lot of info to go more in-depth it, and yes, there will be some pain points. But it's more information about the future of the game than we've had in 25 years.

[ashen bluff]

Artifact was a bonus. The primary reason you get premeir is the cheaper membership.
You're complaining about not getting free stuff.

[near olive]

Well if you plan on removing something it's better to have details on what you plan to give back before you remove it

[unborn monolith]

Reminder that we don't need shit that's already been said repeated ad nauseum

[hardy breach]

Please allow us to use blue UI colours again. The new one isn't terrible, but many folks do miss the blue UI colours big time.

As for aura removal, it'll be interesting to see what you guys end up doing with that cuz we do love our auras and the choice between different ones for different slayer tasks for example (vamp vs penance etc). Or the skilling auras that we all quite enjoy, hopefully there's' a way to still benefit from the same bonuses auras provide even if they are added to certain levels like 99/120s.

[near olive]

Many people got it for that including myself.

[limber saffron]

They plan on removing a ton of somethings, the game needs decluterring hard. Some I'll like, some I won't. Unrealistic to think you'll get a full breakdown of everything. I'll grant the premier artifact could have used more info, since it was a main selling point.

[crimson drum]

that song during the leagues 2 section was awesome, anyone knows if its available somewhere?

[ashen bluff]

If you wana play the game. Then you get membership for the membership. Not for a p2w trinket.
Sounds like you just want free buffs with no work.

[tardy stone]

The leave Queue button is Gigantanormous

[near olive]

I have 5 accounts I have 3 maxed I planed on maxing the others but now I plan on only working on my main which is grandfathered in. I have played this game for over 20 years and many of my friends have played as long. I have enjoyed both games but over they last few months it feels like they are trying to turn this game into old school.

I have been here through all the changes and this change seems as bad as the eoc one

[tardy stone]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZWdBGZEFzk&list=RDOZWdBGZEFzk&start_radio=1

[crimson drum]

:o thanks

[ashen bluff]

Rs3 is still rs3. Its just guna be a better rs3. They're going back to what rs3 was before all the mtx. You forget. Osrs is based on a point in rs3 history.
Also. If you think this is as bad as eoc. Then you have no grasp on whats good or bad.

[lapis cipher]

Now that clan camp is moved can we also have the clan vex teleport relocated? Thank you

[dense wharf]

So true. They are finally listening to the playerbase like they do in osrs

That's about it for turning rs3 into osrs

[ashen bluff]

Eyup.

[dense wharf]

Well i guess also the plugin thing. Osrs has that aswell

[ashen bluff]

Thats what the game has needed for ages

[near olive]

I do not believe old school players are going to suddenly come back over because they are too invested in their osrs account just like many ppl stayed with eoc even though they didn't really like it because they didn't want to start over.

[dense wharf]

Good thing that it's not just osrs player they are trying to get into the game

But also people that don't play either game atm

[crimson drum]

im an osrs player and this makes me want to return tbh

[tardy stone]

Do ittttt

[crimson drum]

gotta put my 20 year cape to some use

:p

[near olive]

I didn't forget I'm ok with the mxt change but they are going farther then that

[limber saffron]

I'd wait for the aura and daily reworks, gonna make it a much better experience for sure.

[royal plinth]

is this the place to say I hate the new UI?

[crimson drum]

yeah, in 2027 this game will definitely look different

provided that things get delivered ofc, but i trust jagex

[tardy stone]

not a reason to wait that long

[near olive]

OSRS came to be because of eoc not mtx I voted to old school

[crimson drum]

^

[tardy stone]

Come now, you can join my clan 😉

[crimson drum]

mtx predated eoc afaik

[unborn monolith]

Again, this doesn't need to be repeated into infinity like you did back in november when jmods told you to chill about other shit

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[near olive]

yeah but eoc killed the player base

[crimson drum]

it did

[near olive]

?

[unborn monolith]

#1433140583169392660 message

ask and you shall receive

slight correction, october*

[near olive]

If that was at me I was not talking about TH

[limber saffron]

What are we even unhappy about? Most of the announced update are just objectively good imo. Dailies? Auras? Combat? Active skilling? Early/mid game rebalancing?

[unborn monolith]

It's not about TH I'm referring to here

It's you incessantly repeating yourself with the same things OVER AND OVER

We get it, you and others are unhappy, it's literally day one of these changes

[near olive]

Who are you to tell me I can't answer other people who are commenting at me

[unborn monolith]

Feedback has been brought up to the devs about several things, literally all that can be done is have some patience until they mention something else either tomorrow or later this week

Show me where I said you couldn't

In explicit words/wording

[broken beacon]

why is the interface colour not a toggle? being colourblind its a headache to look at lmao

[near olive]

Why are you singling me out

[unborn monolith]

Other people with issues with today's update are getting constantly drowned out by things being repeated

You aren't the only person I've said this to today

[near olive]

so far I see you running me out

[unborn monolith]

Scroll up to a few hours ago then

[near olive]

I was talking about the interface in the beginning

[worldly wolf]

God forbid a recent update discussion thread be used to provide feedback on a recent update

[celest burrow]

agreed its so bad

[near olive]

Are you a mod?

[unborn monolith]

bit difficult to have said discussion when things I've even said got drowned out by you guessed it, people repeating the same shit over and over

[broken beacon]

had to close all the interfaces lmao i cant see that much brown

[unborn monolith]

I have some issues with today's update as well, but you don't see me here doing any of this

[broken beacon]

everything else is fine but why mess with the colour

[near olive]

I have not repeated the same thing

[peak plaza]

Saying that the interface being brown instead of blue is as bad as EoC is clearly hyperbole

there was a lot of outrage back in the day when rs3 stopped having brown interface

Kinda funny seeing it in reverse

[unborn monolith]

Btw, I also have issues irl with my vision just so you're aware

[peak plaza]

Everything said about brown today echoes what was said about blue back then

[unborn monolith]

So yeah, it's a bit difficult for me to see things without squinting at my screens

[orchid radish]

Some stuff on the buff bar show stack instead of time left (or both like before) since the update. Like my incense stick just show " 4 " instead of the actual time left. Same for skeleton conjure.

[celest burrow]

well its not just the color its an overall design of it. even if they kept the blue the design sucks

[unborn monolith]

Even with me having glasses, it doesn't help

[near olive]

I only said I don't like the changes I don't like them removing so much all at once and how I feel about it.

[dense wharf]

While not the greatest fix you can change the size from small to something bigger to fix it for the time being

[unborn monolith]

Yeah, so give them some TIME to be able to address things, because as I said, it's day 1 of these changes

[peak plaza]

I'll be real, what overall changes? When I logged in other than colour and the moving of the calendar things felt really miniscule in difference

[unborn monolith]

It's overwhelming for a lot of people, myself included

I've spent majority of the day fiddling with my UI

Trying to get it back to a way that best fits how I play

[celest burrow]

What i dont like is how they gave no option to keep it the way it was or use this new one

[orchid radish]

Well thats another thing as well. The new font seem to big because some text dont completly fit like the % is cut for crackling perk

[peak plaza]

The most notable thing I could find being changed was allowing the classic chatbox, but that wasn't even on by default

[wintry wren]

this 100%

[near olive]

and with that I said I have been waiting and waiting and waiting and telling my friend I'm going to wait and see but then they announced they are removing more stuff they was not brought up until 5 days before they did it. So it getting harder to tell myself to wait and see. you may disagree but you should not single me out about it

[limber saffron]

I do have an unreasonable hatred for the calendar clock being fixed to the mini-map.

[ashen bluff]

Yeah. Thats not the best

[ebon pecan]

https://giphy.com/gifs/hypergoku7-so-peak-absolutely-li7H27JwLTBxeeXgJ8

[marble temple]

Any clues on how/if damage will scale with the combat skills to 120? Should/will prayer/summoning be considered to 120 too? More prayer points would be nice 😅

[near olive]

I agree I have less map now because of it and I can't arrange it to help the way I have my set up it just doesn't work. I would like it to be an option

[dense wharf]

Eventually yes they'll go to 120. We haven't had any specifics on how damage is affected by it going to 120

But they want all styles to be somewhat equal so it should be closer to how necro is

[limber saffron]

From my understanding it shouldn't have a big effect, if any on damage, but a significant one on accuracy? Since accuracy is now damage, it should affect significantly for stuff you don't already have 100 accuracy on

[ashen bluff]

From the testing ive done on the beta 120 combats will be simaler to having a zerk aura up without the negatives

[marble temple]

Yes, I saw that. Just curious if there was a "standard" per se to allow it to scale. I would think necro inherently functions differently. Am I correct on that?

[wide willow]

Cant wait to get out of necro scape, and see what updates are planned for the other combats. Based on what i saw on the post it looks like 120 is dropping sometime next month. Maybe not the ability updates but the skill cap should be a nice change.

[limber saffron]

Same man, as a pretty bad pvmer being able to use other combat styles is gonna be neat.

[boreal skiff]

im excited for 120 magic and seeing what upgraded forms of acidnet combat magic we will get 😃

[stiff hare]

93-ish damage increase getting 120 instead of 99 while using elder ovls.

[boreal skiff]

im quite excited to see the upgraded 99+ ice spells 😃

[pallid ridge]

Idk if this is the appropriate space for this but a bug with the new UI for brand new accounts is that L does not work to unlock interface so you can close out the popups. To rememdy this bug you must edit interface settings and close one out then click save and exit on the interface mode, afterwards you can now use L to unlock interface

[boreal skiff]

i will need to 120 magic but im at 99 so just another goal at this point XD 😃

[wide willow]

Ive always wanted to be a melee main but i dont like all the switches so im waiting for the ability changes to allow for easier camping of my ezk

[dense wharf]

Ingame bug reports are the best place for it

[pallid ridge]

good point, ill put one in so itll get fixed. i know i have like 5 friends trying rs3 for the first time today due to mtx removal so i think this will remove annoyance for new players

[dense wharf]

Petition to ban anyone that says mtx removal instead of TH removal

[marble temple]

It would be nice to see switchscape addressed between the 2 updates. That's a huge turn off to me.

[wide willow]

Necro abilities dont necessitate switch scape, im hopeful the other combat updates will put us in a similar space

[dense wharf]

Ability changes are hopefully just the first step into making combat easier to get into and stuff

But it's hardly the only place they need to look at to reduce the bloat and nonsense

[marble temple]

That's beautiful. My necro training has been purely rits

[near olive]

I can express myself just like you and If you are not a mod you should not be telling other people what they should or not be expressing especially when they are responding to other people. I think we can agree on some of the changes being good and some that we both don't like but you don't have a right to try and run me out of the feedback thread because you think I and repeating myself or something. I am done. I just wanted you to know you were acting like a bully

[limber saffron]

archeology relics switching please 🙂

[stiff hare]

you can get pretty far without switchscape, but even necro has some minor switches

stuff like flanking oh come to mind

[hazy thicket]

Necro you can swap the mh and do all 3 rots if camping it, but thts pretty minor

[near olive]

why were you doing this to other ppl

[strong plover]

Did I miss a poll at some point? Who asked for auras to be removed? I spent HELLA loyalty points on those.

[limber saffron]

best change in the entire road map but ok

[dense wharf]

Theres a long list of people that generally dislike how auras are obtained and the way the cooldowns

[hazy thicket]

Ill miss penance aura since gathering gold roses on my iron is a daily i hate.

[stiff hare]

a lot of people actually

[wide willow]

Most of them will likely be moved to some other design space, the main issue is the timelock and limited play with the current aura system

[hazy thicket]

afk 200m pray at vyres before those pray regen wings are removed too lol

[marble temple]

I don't think they should be removed. Reworked for sure, and at least the time gate removed

[stiff hare]

removing cooldowns would fix one part of them, but not the other

and it leads to some other undesirable play patterns like aura switching mid combat

[marble temple]

I mean, scrimshaws?

[strong plover]

Prayer switching gonna go away next?

Might as well remove the skills

[stiff hare]

a lot of people already dont like switchscape

[marble temple]

Remove RuneScape. Add cookie clicker instead

[stiff hare]

switching auras is more like switching gear than it is switching prayers

[dense wharf]

So reworking the effects into other content should be fine right

[stiff hare]

and given that auras dont have keybinds, just removing the cooldown means you have to go through the annoying menu to deactivate and then right click the slot and activate a different one, or left click to bring up the aura ui

[dense wharf]

Instead of ragebaiting you could also just say nothing 🙂

[strong plover]

I don't understand why removal is the default. Things can be reworked without thag, ya know. Especially when those things weren't free.

[dense wharf]

Look at it this way. You rented the auras for the duration they existed

You got to use what you paid for 🤷‍♂️

[strong plover]

I didn't pay for a rental 🤷

[wary cairn]

what was even the point of removing treasure hunter lol

[stiff hare]

removes gambling

they never said theyre getting rid of mtx or purchasable xp

[ashen bluff]

To remove gambling and get people interacting with core gameplay loops.

[stiff hare]

in fact they were quite explicit that theyd still sell bxp afterwards

[ashen bluff]

And stop damaging items entering the game

[stiff hare]

you just have to play the game to use the xp - its just a 2x multiplier rather than direct xp

huge improvement if you ask me

[wary cairn]

so now they just want you to gamble in real life to spend money for bxp, or just be rich

[dense wharf]

They want you to just play the game

[wary cairn]

are they going to partner with kalshi too?

[strong plover]

Get rid of th and the mtx items, sure. But if you want slow progression with no boosts or bonuses then go play OSRS. Go join em in the trenches and dodge all the bots. There's nothing wrong with efficiency boosts for skills.

[stiff hare]

nice rage bait

[marble temple]

Absolutely. But I also think the people who have them already neeed to be able to access them immediately. My increased mining damage should not be restricted behind content I didn't have access to. Like a 3rd quest in a story line or something. Like, I already have it. Don't take it away and then NOW make me do 10-50 hours of content just to unlock them out the method to craft them or whatever they decide to do with it

[inner cairn]

They made it hard to "just play the game" with this weird UI color choice.

[wary cairn]

poo brown

was looking for the option to change color

[dense wharf]

Yeah but let's not riot and cry when we have 0 idea about how they plan to "replace" auras

[marble temple]

I'm not

[stiff hare]

give it a bit of time, theres been a lot of complaints, hopefully they'll address them within the week

[strong plover]

Yea this. I don't even care if they just give it to everyone. Boosts for all. There's just no reason to remove them outright.

[dense wharf]

I'm not trying to say you are. It's jsut a general statement 🙂

Plenty of others are doing it unfortunately

[near olive]

I member this I believe it was when they made the UI be able to be moved around. Many ppl hated the change. I remember eoc had also came out so it was not well received.

[tidal silo]

Leveling past 99 doesn’t increase your base ability damage directly, but it does increase the effectiveness of potions, which will marginally increase your base damage.

[wary cairn]

I dont think they will comp for people with auras already unlocked, so long as its not another slog to re-unlock the effects I think it will be fine

[hazy thicket]

Prob just be leveling benefits for some of em. Part of wc, fletch, craft, smith, mining, and rc do this now for example. Rest will just be removed entirely

[near olive]

Okay before eoc

[wary cairn]

actually who am I kidding they will just sell the effects for money lol

[dense wharf]

Looks like ai answer. Which immediatly makes me ignore that whole message

[dense wharf]

Theres no reason to think this 🤷‍♂️

[hazy thicket]

Well, hero pass sold buffs like that

[wary cairn]

that was light brown or tan even, not the toilet fiend brown we got now

[hazy thicket]

So there is precedence

[dense wharf]

And look what happened to hero pass

[boreal skiff]

what was hero pass? i was on a rs break during that

[ashen bluff]

Battle pass

[boreal skiff]

ohh i see

[hazy thicket]

Look what happened to rs lol. Its always a “wait and see and hope for the best” give it time. We’ll see how well it turns out. No use freaking out yet. Though, the new ui and the lagg is kinda redic and hope its fixed soon lol

[ashen bluff]

Horribly received by the ocmunity and got removed

[dense wharf]

Something players actually managed to get yeeted pretty fast after it came out

[wary cairn]

ah yes hero pass, the thing we STILL dont have replacement methods for obtaining the cosmetics for

[dense wharf]

Wrong person to reply to 🙁

[strong plover]

"Fully remove all auras whille redistributing some of those benefits". That's the problem

We paid for all of those benefits. Not rented, we got them in exchange for an earned currency.

[strong plover]

I think some of those cosmetics are in the marketplace now

[ashen bluff]

Some of the auras need to be removed. like joat

[wary cairn]

I really want to know who is wormtonguing the devs again with these adjacent changes nobody asked for

[next eagle]

The benefits worth having, accuracy will be compensated with new levels.

Currency I could care less about. Declutter and decomplicate combat plz.

[peak plaza]

No shot they do this

[strong plover]

Aint nothing wrong with joat

[dense wharf]

Everything is wrong with it

[limber saffron]

terrible take with auras, literally one of the most complained about things in rs

[peak plaza]

As in, thats not remotely believable or in line with anything they've said

There is 0% chance they're removing auras to sell it back to you

[tidal silo]

Some things like Supreme Invigorate could be replaced by making the Ultimatums perk do anything. Burn chance reduction, stun rate reduction, fish catching/wood chopping/etc rates can just be buffed too.

[ashen bluff]

Its free xp and a daily. Both things they are working on removing

[peak plaza]

Also calling aura change something that "nobody asked for"

really? AURAS?

[strong plover]

Biggest fact here is..... 😮

✨ Auras are optional✨

[peak plaza]

one of the routinely most complained about systems?

that one?

[cunning robin]

The one with benefits too good to ignore even

[tidal silo]

Ask an endgame PvM team if berserker auras are optional and get back to me.

[elder rampart]

auras good, loyalty points bad

[dense wharf]

So was TH if you want to go down that path

[strong plover]

You dont have to use them, so if ya don't like them then ignore them. Sone ofu s do usethem and take advantage of those benefits.

[ashen bluff]

That is the worst arument for keeping auras.
You're punished for not using them because they are so strong and the skills feel bad without them

[ashen bluff]

Both bad

[marble temple]

Technically yes, but practically not. 100% success rates on pickpocketing alone make FFDC practically a necessity

[strong plover]

Literally optional.

[peak plaza]

The one people have complained about being unable to reset, encouraging you to play content in exact hour chunks, and having the most idiotic method of obtaining that has ever graced the game?

that one has not had people complaining?

[ashen bluff]

Youve never bossed then.

[peak plaza]

I've heard more people complain about auras than livid farm

and I've heard a lot of complaints about livid farm

[strong plover]

Who's putting a gun to your head and forcing you to use it? Anyone?

[stiff hare]

auras are probably the single biggest pain point ive heard about from people doing pvm

[tidal silo]

Be considerate, he might have a group HM mole KC.

[dense wharf]

Auras make pvm faster / easier. But yeah they're not required

[peak plaza]

Auras is probably the single biggest pain point for new players that don't drop the game in the first few hours

[ashen bluff]

Again. The "you dont have to use it" argument.
Game feel is important. And without them. The game dosent feel good.

[limber saffron]

Have serious doubts on many combat achievements being achievable without auras.

[peak plaza]

You know whats demotivating for people? Learning that they have to wait 11 months of consecutive membership for a substantial boost to an activity

and it precludes them from getting a similar boost for other activities

[ashen bluff]

11 years for all of em.

[strong plover]

Still your choice to make.

[peak plaza]

and there is nothing they can do about it

Auras is one of the most dogshit systems ever designed for this game

[dense wharf]

I'm not even going to drop my opinion on what has to be done for some of the timers.

[strong plover]

🤷

[ashen bluff]

Yeah. I make it. And it feels shit not using them.

[peak plaza]

That we got defenders for them shows that you can have defenders for anything

[wary cairn]

its the same exact logical equivalency they are now all being hypocrites with, "why do you care if other people paid money to get Xp or benefit, it doesn't effect you"

[cunning robin]

A choice you're greatly punished for
Sure let me play with one arm, a second arm is optional

[dense wharf]

Playing the game is optional

If you don't like the changes you can just quit

[silent ore]

It's a logical fallacy (ergo decendo) that's why it feels like nonsense reasoning (because it is).

[strong plover]

Well actually yea, since we dont need WASD to move

[tidal silo]

I feel called out for this. Are you spying on my keybinds?

[ashen bluff]

Just because you can dosent mean it will be enjoyable

[strong plover]

Actually no, hotkeys are a thing. Nvmd

[peak plaza]

Consider this, for example. Lets say that thieving aura gets removed, and in its place, they redo pickpocketing rates gamewise.

Whats the exact downside of getting rid of said thieving aura?

[dense wharf]

Or we can just wait untill we actually know details about what they're changing before spending hours here complaining about the potential future

[wary cairn]

term is ladder kicker

[stiff hare]

the amount of logical fallacies i hear regarding this roadmap actually makes me want to make a fallacy bingo board

[cunning robin]

Wait you use keybinds instead of clicking every ability?

[silent ore]

From what I've read at least the plan is to incorporate some auras into gameplay.

[limber saffron]

I don't, I do care when I run out of x aura and now have to inneficiently train or change activity. I also do care when I start a new account and have to wait 3 years to unlock auras. It's the most dogshit system in the game, honestly blows my mind to see people defend it.

[strong plover]

Wait, you click every ability?

[ashen bluff]

No downside what so ever to removing auras and intigrating them with the skills.
No waiting. No cooldown. No having to swap aura.
The effect isjust there.

[tawny bay]

I just want to say the RS team did a really good job with the new Legacy UI and allowing to turn cosmetics off! definitely made me log in today and start playing again.

[tidal silo]

I bind prayer flicks to my right hand and also use the trackpad with my right hand to clock abilities is what I mean :L

[peak plaza]

You know what I'll sacrifice every aura I have for?

Not having to deal with auras ever again.

[dense wharf]

Welcome back to the game!

[next eagle]

Yeah there’s plenty of reason. It’s an outdated system that forces you into upkeep of something that ought to be integrated into the skill and not an hourly activity that boils down to have you done your daily viswax run.

[silent ore]

Welcome back to the grind.

[ashen bluff]

Mooood

[boreal skiff]

did they say what will hapen to loyalty points? i have like 700+ k of them just chilling on my charcter

[dense wharf]

Nothing was said about it

[tidal silo]

Use em on cosmetics like they were meant for

[dense wharf]

So no idea why people think something is happening to them

[wary cairn]

you now OWE them 6 years of picking flax

[peak plaza]

They've not said anything about loyalty points so far

[pulsar plaza]

Why, since cosmetics can be hidden now whats the point lol

[boreal skiff]

ahh i see

[dense wharf]

You can see your own cosmetics

Which is the only thing that matters

[strong plover]

Of course there is. Loss of efficiency.

[peak plaza]

1. You get to enjoy how you look

2. Everyone else that hasn't opted out get to enjoy your look

[tidal silo]

Cosmetics are for you to see mostly…

[peak plaza]

Only people who opted out, which already didn't care for others cosmetics (otherwise they wouldn't have opted out), will not see them

[boreal skiff]

oh my, that takes me back picking 1000s of flax in camalot fields etc for money 100k a hour i belive was the rate in 2007 or so

[next eagle]

Some people will want their cosmetics to be seen and others will want to show off their cosmetics. It’ll be a small subset of people who want to see it and will be seen by others. I love the toggle.

[peak plaza]

The default experience is seeing other people's cosmetics

[ashen bluff]

Loss of efficency? So having the auras removed and there effects tied into the base skills so that its like the aura is always active is a loss of efficency?

[peak plaza]

Its literally just the people that hate seeing that shit that wont

[wary cairn]

skill outfit-scape

[silent ore]

What would be a nice addition to the cosmetic toggle would be differentiating it based on friends/clannies, etc.

[strong plover]

Also, who said this is gonna be available instantly? You think they'll offer these boosts at lvl 1?

[peak plaza]

and they were never impressed by your looks in the first place anyways

[ashen bluff]

No. Thats the point of leveling benifits.

[dense wharf]

Who said it won't be

Got you there

[peak plaza]

idk why someone starting at level 1 should have an instant boost because they were member for a while

[ashen bluff]

Or maby it will be as the new base line. Who knows?

[peak plaza]

Why should someone who played OSRS for the last 10 years log into rs3 for the first time and have every aura they want that someone who has played rs3 for the last 2 have barely any of?

[wary cairn]

That, but for me the old metaphorical coal mine was picking up big bones in the old wilderness bone crater

[peak plaza]

I think your progress should be related to what you've been doing while playing

and as little else as possible

[ashen bluff]

In the end. Auras are being removed and thats not changing.
Thats a win for me.

[strong plover]

Increasing pickpocketing rates across the board is silly. IF they do it right, and that's a big IF, it could be a good thing. But I don't want to trade these benefits for less efficiency.

[peak plaza]

I know for a fact they're rebalancing pickpocketing rates

Mod Sponge outright stated so during last gamejam and did work on it

[ashen bluff]

They're bringing rates for the older targets up to be in line with the newer ones.

[wary cairn]

after all its unfair that maxxed people who could afk can't talk devs into making things unafkable

who could dare

[dense wharf]

How would it be less efficiency if a benefit comes from source 2 instead of source 1

Last i checked that would be the same efficiency

Except now i can reach that efficiency in less then X years

Is what i hope/assume would happen

[ashen bluff]

If anything its more efficent for new players cause they arent waiting 11 months to get the buff

[dense wharf]

And untill we know what's happening theres really just no reason to want to keep a system the majority of players have been complaining about for years

[wary cairn]

ironmen and group ironmen being the exact keeping half-answer to exactly that

[stiff hare]

Another point - the existence of auras makes it more difficult to balance stuff.

[strong plover]

That's fine, and if they put these boosts (like the 10% crit damage bonus from quarrymaster) into milestones based on leval, that's great. But they could just as easily unlock the auras for everyone. Those boosts are limited by cooldowns, so we wont have them active at all times. That's a type of balance. But at the same time, they aren't gone. No one says you have to use every aura every day. Working on mining for a while? urn on quarrymaster for your two hours for a little boost and kill some rocks

[peak plaza]

yeah its more efficient for the vast majority of people starting at level 1

[stiff hare]

If you balance pp rates so that you need aura to reach 100%, it feels awful to do without aura. If you balance that it can reach 100% without aura, whats the point of the aura?

[peak plaza]

They could unlock them for everyone. But then we get the issues of the time they last, and resets, and cooldowns, which are systems that both devs and a lot of players are unhappy with.

[ashen bluff]

The entire point of removing auras entirely is so that there is no cooldown
The cooldown it the one of main issues with auras!

[peak plaza]

We could solve those with making auras last infinite, and have no cost switching. But then we have the question of "why are we even keeping this slot and not just redistributing this into normal levelling"

[strong plover]

Removing the cooldowns is silly. They're supposed to be temporary boosts, not permanent ones. That's the whole point.

[dense wharf]

And just giving them all out and having no cooldown turns them into something that just feels weird to even exist in such a way

[ashen bluff]

"Just remove the cooldown!"
Then why not just bake the effects into the skills and save us haveing to swap them if they are guna be unlimited anyway?

[peak plaza]

And what that does is two things

1. "I still have time on aura, I better keep doing this"

[digital aspen]

maybe they should work like relic powers and you can have 1 skilling aura and 1 pvm aura active at any time

[peak plaza]

2. "I don't have aura, I'll just not do this content until I do"

[ashen bluff]

The game is currenly ballence around having them. "normal" rates are what you get with auras on.

[dense wharf]

That was the point when they came out. And now jagex finally realised that players hate how auras work and why we hate it.

[peak plaza]

Both of those states suck

[unborn monolith]

I want to play the game on MY time, not some shitty outdated mechanic getting in my way, among other time-gated garbage

[strong plover]

So play it on your time 🤷

[unborn monolith]

I'm still playing within the game's rules, let me play how I want without being hindered by auras

brb gonna go ask if I can send amascut without mahj or zerk aura

[digital aspen]

buy aura resets from war if ur so good

u should be loaded in war tokens

[strong plover]

You're hindered by yourself.

[unborn monolith]

?

[ashen bluff]

Just. Learn to admit when you're wrong.

[unborn monolith]

What are you yapping about

[strong plover]

USe them or dont, it's up to you, not the game.

[unborn monolith]

I didn't create auras

[peak plaza]

You'e being hindered by yourself yeah. And being hindered by a bad system.

The core of that system isn't good

Thats the big part here

[wary cairn]

see you don't get it, players who had it good have it in their best interest to come out in force to make it worse going forward, making their xp more valuable

[unborn monolith]

I'm being hindered by jagex's outdated system from 2012

[peak plaza]

In the end, the system has a lot of downsides with no clear upsides

[dense wharf]

Just no

[jade steeple]

Right? What on earth? I literally just spent years worth of loyalty points on buying and upgrading all of my auras a month or so ago. I hope they intend to refund loyalty points if they plan to just outright remove them.
Edit: And then give us something to actually spend loyalty points on!

[unborn monolith]

?

[digital aspen]

you're being hindered by a wall of text in a public forum

[stiff hare]

What is this strawman lmao

[woeful adder]

What am I reading lmao

[peak plaza]

We can deliver what auras do in significantly better ways, thats less annoying in how it shapes the way you play content

[ashen bluff]

Loyalty points are worthless. Theres no point in refunding them.

[near olive]

I don't like what they have now

[peak plaza]

Good god are you arguing that people who want to get rid of auras want people to have it worse?

The players that is most affected by how bad aura system ARE the latercomers and new players

[wary cairn]

im out of coffee my baits getting weak

[peak plaza]

By a country mile!

[unborn monolith]

Btw

[strong plover]

Y'all need to make sense here. We just had a big vote to get rid of things like lamps and dummies and proteans becuase they made things too fast and easy, but you want permanent boosts to all skills with no cooldowns?

[unborn monolith]

I had 3.2m LP when I returned in 2025

[next eagle]

It’s a great thing they’re already set on removing them. Combat is made much more user friendly by removing them so encounters can be designed a little better. A smaller range of intended accuracy values from the level of character vs range of values+aura boost.

[unborn monolith]

Have majority of the auras, including all the war's auras

Doesn't mean their healthy

So nice job assuming I said one thing I didn't

[dense wharf]

You've clearly missed the point of why people wanted that stuff gone

[stiff hare]

The issue with th is that you skipped engaing with the skill, and gambling

[dense wharf]

It's not about it being easy. It was about people jsut straight up not interacting with the core gameplay loop

[stiff hare]

Once again, nice strawman

[peak plaza]

The reason to get rid of both of these systems is that both of these systems do not interact well with core gameplay at all

[jade steeple]

Speak for yourself. They were good for AURAS. If they are going to remove AURAS, then they need to give us our loyalty points back and give us something to spend our loyalty points on. Change up some of the store - things that cost runecoins instead should cost loyalty points. They need to rework it. But the point stands, I spent years worth of loyalty points on auras and removing them is robbing us.

[peak plaza]

Its not to do with too easy or too hard

[cunning robin]

Different problems that are not mutually exclusive
Auras tie into dailyscape which is an equally genuine issue

[peak plaza]

Its about how badly they fit into the system at large

[feral zenith]

the 1990s called. they want their interface back

[strong plover]

Wisdom and joat tie into dailyscape. The others have 1-3 hour cooldowns.

[jade steeple]

Also I love this whole let's remove treasure hunter, let's remove all this stuff and then ask for straight up real life cash for radiant stars? Lmfao!

[dense wharf]

If theres nothign to buy when auras are gone there no need to give you any loyalty points back 🤷‍♂️

[unborn monolith]

Bonus exp still requires you to engage with core gameplay loops, treasure hunter didn't

next

[jade steeple]

And no need to be loyal, either.

[stiff hare]

You know what, i value my time more than wasting it with this pointless arugment with people who cannot read and continuously argue using logical fallacies

[unborn monolith]

Take your bad faith argument elsewhere

[dense wharf]

I personally play the game because i enjoy the game

[next eagle]

Bye Felicia

[dense wharf]

Not because i'm getting some silly points

[cunning robin]

You still get the cosmetic crown of loyalty if it's that important to you

[jade steeple]

Are you folks hurt by people not agreeing with random gameplay changes? It sounds like you're here solely to argue with people rather than allow people to speak their mind to jagex about changes.

[elder rampart]

ui reminds me of a yogscast minecraft mod

[strong plover]

They are

[ashen bluff]

Key word. where good for auras. Without auras there not really anything to spend em on.
They arent going to be changing to loyalty point costs for cosmetics.

[jade steeple]

You can have your opinions, you don't need to attack others for theirs. Next.

[unborn monolith]

'random'

We knew about these happening for months

Move on

Make an actual critique or quit yapping

[ashen bluff]

"Let us share our opinions. No you cant share your facts!"

[peak plaza]

Auras being part of integrity roadmap, unironically, was stated on the 100k threshold vote

[strong plover]

Could've missed it, but I dont remember seeing aura in the list

[next eagle]

Are you folks not greatly enthused that core gameplay features that promoted dailyscape are finally being removed? How about poor systems that were time gated and caused extra confusion to new players? I love it. Tear it down and make it simpler.

[unborn monolith]

irony

[ashen bluff]

Lol

[jade steeple]

The irony of my posting two comments and you shitting on me the whole time. Okay. Lol right.

[dense wharf]

Aura refreshes we're on the remove or maybe remove list. With reasons being given that they we're looking at removing auras and stuff

[strong plover]

I don't mind dailies. Never have

[unborn monolith]

Again, post an actual critique like I have, or stop lip flapping

[jade steeple]

Children.

[peak plaza]

One of the annoyance is jagex is saying they intend to redistribute the effects from auras

[unborn monolith]

I've posted my critiques here today, and they get drowned out by people regurgitating the same things

[peak plaza]

Which means they don't intend to rob you of the effects

[strong plover]

some of the effects

[faint glacier]

yall

[dense wharf]

While i agree i don't think saying things like this helps in any way 🙁

[faint glacier]

lets chill

we do not need to be attacking each other

[stone copper]

Y’all sunk cost fallacy here. The points are gone, so not much point freaking out and arguing over it

[peak plaza]

This is true. No way jack of trades survive the slaughter and for good reason.

[faint glacier]

just post your feedback and don't respond to each other.

[peak plaza]

But it seem the contesting to auras going isn't in oh, we're going to make the game much different

its in that the way its obtained is somehow a good thing

[faint glacier]

arguing with each other is not the purpose of these feedback threads

[unborn monolith]

You're honestly not wrong. I've also done my best not to actually go ad-hominem on people

[harsh chasm]

is there a reason they're completely removing slayer wildcards instead of putting them in the slayer shop?

buying them with slayer points seems like it'd be fair

[next eagle]

Interferes with the core gameplay loop in an unhealthy way.

[harsh chasm]

the core gameplay loop of suffer RNG until you get the right slayer task?

[dense wharf]

Eh. Them ever existing proves the core gameplay loop was flawed

[unborn monolith]

The block list and prefer lists exist

[dense wharf]

The core gameplay loop of not being able to even fight edimmu without them or a task

[next eagle]

You don’t like RNG in your RNG based game?

[ashen bluff]

That and they said they will be working on skills such as slayer

[unborn monolith]

I honestly don't even like rs3 slayer much

A lot of the tasks don't feel good at all

[harsh chasm]

you mean and RPG

[dense wharf]

I hate ontask/oftask rates

[harsh chasm]

RPGs don't have to make everything an RNG thing to the extent RS does

[ashen bluff]

I enjoy rs3 slayer. But then again i just like killing things

[strong plover]

TImegating bad, I get it. But removing cooldowns also bad. There's no reason to remove auras. They balanced by cooldowns and they're optional. Perhaps not practically optionl, but until you're unable to start a boss fight without turning one on first, they're still optional. I've said my piece. 👍

[past saffron]

anyone know if its possible to change the brightness of the new ui?
a little bad eye sight here, and that dark brown schemee is terrible straining on the eyes when playing for a while 😮

[strong plover]

New UI is grea,t hoorray for round minimap

[boreal skiff]

the one thing i am hopeing for with the skilling activitys is hopefully a cool construction training methiod that yields items like harvesting but you build stuff and get reputation point or something (kinda like the smithing update or etc) and you can buy stuff with it or something with a input time + (items optional) output = some sort of tiem 🤔 😃

[harsh chasm]

I finished up the inverted slayer capes the other day and I don't particularly want to touch slayer for another while

that was tedious

[dense wharf]

Yeah i wasn't a fan of having to take trash tasks to farm the cape

Instead of good/fun tasks that are alot slower

[harsh chasm]

we already got 2 construction skilling updates

time to make agility post silverhawks bearable

[boreal skiff]

im currently burningthrough all my silver hawk feathers as fast as i can i got quite a bit of them.

[hazy thicket]

i just realized. necromancy is gonna lose the equilibrium aura. thats a huge blow.

[celest burrow]

^^

[next eagle]

That’s gonna hurt a lot, but hopefully it’ll reign in how they can design upgrades. Always easier to design when you’re not trying to account for what happens during this 1 hour an aura is active.

[dense wharf]

Or maybe it won't hurt at all

[stiff hare]

yea, auras need to go, but necro is gunna get a lot worse than the og styles due to losing eq

[dense wharf]

Because they'll bring the effect of equilibrium back in some nicer way

[stiff hare]

cause og styles at least get 120 stats as a boost

[boreal skiff]

what is the "equilibrium" aurea?

[hazy thicket]

oh ye, theyll need to re add necros 99-120 stats buffs back

[boreal skiff]

im look this up i never use auras

[tepid pine]

I'm missing a oak tree here

[next eagle]

That seems very likely. Along with invigorate like someone mentioned before. I could see it at least.

[faint glacier]

they will likely balance things if auras are removed. so that would likely be addressed

[hazy thicket]

you lose critsb ut do 12% more. means ur ghost also heals 12% more etc

[boreal skiff]

ahh i see

[harsh chasm]

I've got like 5k

[dense wharf]

Just realised it's time to riot for a refund on what i used to buy mahjarrat

I just forgot if i used 1k reaper points or 3 bonds to do it

[hazy thicket]

ye i used 3 bonds for mhaj

[next eagle]

I think I used reaper points for mahj aura haha.

Those would be nice to have back but that’s gonna be messy

[dense wharf]

The 1 aura that's actually worth complaining about

But also just not one the complainers mentioned

[stiff hare]

its also got a 24 hour cd

which is something ive brought up multiple times but always gets ignored

[dense wharf]

Is it a 24 hours cd or does it reset at reset

[next eagle]

For most aura users they were pretty much constant things because pvmers have the cash to reset them. The cooldown was never really enforced.

Pretty sure it was 24 hr

[hazy thicket]

resets at reset

[next eagle]

Nvm I stand corrected

[hazy thicket]

but u can use aura resets on it

its t3

[ashen bluff]

Necro needed a bit of a reign in imo.

[hazy thicket]

necro is already the 2nd lowest or lowest dpm atm on the high end

[next eagle]

It being the lowest dps combat skill?

I think it could use a buff but it’s also good where it sits because hyper low apm

[ashen bluff]

But much better sustain and utility. And ease of use

[hazy thicket]

not rlly. magic is no effort and at the top lol

[stiff hare]

its almost like being easier to get into combat was the whole point of necro

[hazy thicket]

necros upside is you can get into it easier

[next eagle]

It was fun af on release. Double dipping skulls was awesome to get lol

[harsh chasm]

never use bonds for something you can get with in-game currency

[hazy thicket]

it was cheaper to use bonds for a period

when i did it, 1k points in hydrix was worth more than 3 bonds

[dense wharf]

But i get my bonds with ingame currency

[hazy thicket]

tht too lol

[harsh chasm]

yeah but the bond prices are fickle

[hazy thicket]

thts why i stocked up when they hit like 14m with arch release

[harsh chasm]

are they removing the reset tokens too?

[ashen bluff]

You mean DnD reset tokens? Yes

[harsh chasm]

I don't remember seeing them on either list

[astral frost]

Exciting year ahead 🥳

[harsh chasm]

RIP my 70+ monthly tokens

[fickle surge]

Who was this? Who came up with this? This UI is awful. Can you revert this and not touch my UI, please?

[celest burrow]

yes more people agreeing i love to see it!

[fickle surge]

I couldn't hate this more.

[celest burrow]

we woke up in 1990s

[ashen bluff]

Its only the first day. Just give polite feedback and let them fix it.

[obtuse scroll]

oh just wait, after complain about the uglyness i just discover more things to complain about, it was a non stop thing

[fickle surge]

same happening to me

[celest burrow]

idk i like everything else and all the changes except this forced ui change

and its a major one for me

[obtuse wave]

as mahj aura is getting scrapped do i get my 2k reaper pts back?

[ashen bluff]

No word on that either way yet

[faint glacier]

that'll likely be discussed whenever it gets closer to the time of aura rework stuff

anything said now is just speculation at best

[obtuse wave]

ok thanks, ill be honest ill be pretty disappointed if not

[dense wharf]

Should have ignored the buy 2 get 1 deal

Should have just gone for the buy 1 get 1 for 1k deal 😛

[obtuse wave]

i feel like theres a lot in the recent update that needs some fleshing out, lots of big things with little context

[dense wharf]

Things will be fleshed out and given more details when their updates get closer

[harsh chasm]

oh yeah, they ran a deal on the aura not that long ago didn't they?

[peak plaza]

They're joking on the aura never having been 2k

Its 1k

[harsh chasm]

I think I might actually have enough reset tokens to reset everything for a year

[dense wharf]

mahj is 1k reaper points and has been for a while. So yeah was just trying to be funy

[obtuse scroll]

btw, any special reason about why i cant see how much time left are in my buff stuff or just bad coding?

[dense wharf]

Who knows. But it can be "fixed" by using bigger icons

[obtuse wave]

just needs a rework basically

[raven talon]

add an option to revert to old ui please 😔

[harsh chasm]

wasn't bigger icons optional in the accessibility tab?

[obtuse wave]

buff bar was added before we have half the buffs we use today, and lots of them have additional info that doesnt fit on the icon

[dense wharf]

No idea what tab it's in but yeah it's a setting ingame

[obtuse scroll]

ohhh thanks, now it fits perfect on uglyness with rest of the ui, but working until they fixed it

[obtuse scroll]

before update i can see the time on small size buff

[obtuse wave]

oh i get you, try changing the icon size

[dense wharf]

And on small it should really just show the timer

[obtuse wave]

i think the font size changed as well with update

[dense wharf]

Instead of the potential level of incense sticks

If they only want to show one or the other

[reef siren]

It's a known issue in the known bugs channel, they messed up the font which makes lots of buff icon text wrap lines - the exact same issue animate dead has had for 5+ years which they never fixed

[obtuse wave]

yeah was gonna say animate is the best example

[hardy breach]

I feel the same way, many changes to make it feel more like Old School, and I am not surprised since mod north and plenty others are big fans of OS. Instead of building/improving upon rs3, some of these changes are just changes for nostalgia, making it feel like OS. I hope they can give us options for both interfaces, so players can enjoy the game however they want, an OS looking interface or a modern one.

[obtuse scroll]

alt 1 buff detection feature, isnt working right?

[hazy thicket]

nah, interface got changed drastically so itll need a bit

some buff icons etc also just arent working right now ingame

[craggy canyon]

revert the UI new one is dog crap

[hazy thicket]

a toggle would be nice

i miss my action bar arrows and the clock not being on the map. the color is also jarring and more warm than before

[celest burrow]

need a toggle so bad

[near olive]

I agree. It feels like they want to try to erase the mistakes of the past (eoc) The interface changed to what we had before today around that time and they are trying to say "look we are different now" by putting on a new coat of paint that harkens back to before eoc and mtx

[mystic ravine]

So why I cant have my legacy interface skin? I legit dont understand how jagex operates they force shit that nobody asked for and remove other available option lol I just want to have the older legacy interface skin was good for me

[craggy canyon]

it would not be so bad if they did not slam boxes that can not be turned tansparent everywhere i want my nearly invisible boxes back

[languid cape]

UI is a downgrade if ive ever seen one

[celest burrow]

naw its more than that, the boxy nature of tabs and options are so clunky

[stone copper]

As part of the UI updates, do we know if it's intended that the mobile app's UI is a mix of the old color scheme and new? I like the retro-style look on desktop, some of the color contrasts aren't ideal yet (the grey for hovering for example) but on mobile it doesn't look like all interfaces got affected

[craggy canyon]

they are trying too hard to make rs3 look like rs2 and they just cant leave it alone with the look we play rs3 for the newer look not the old school look i liked the darker layout that allowed you to have transparency so places like prif had the full attention now in prif the UI literally looks like dog crap

[celest burrow]

idk why they didnt give an option to change to the new one if we wishedd

nope just remove it completely

[craggy canyon]

or simply hold a poll to see if people would actually want the new look

[celest burrow]

naww cuz then the people who dont want it gets fucked, should always be a toggleable

like they did with cosmectics

[hazy thicket]

custom colors would be nice. that way you can choose a warm or cold color for contrast

im also hearing some colorblind people are having issues

[bleak tundra]

it's also causing migraines for a few people

[craggy canyon]

they removed the ability to have the hover over item be transparent now its a bold black box with brown border the bank just looks jarring

[hazy thicket]

due to the warmth of the color and lack of contrast

[celest burrow]

i had to completely clear out my ui cuz it was hurting my eyes

[quick cosmos]

Facts

[craggy canyon]

the icon bar cant be transparent either its like they toss a half put together ui and threw it at everyone and said heres some dog crap coloring and a circle map we are going modern with a nod to old school

[celest burrow]

if i wanted oldschool design id play oldschool

[obtuse scroll]

jagex can you give my arrows to switch the main bar fast?, i dont want to config every bar i have please

[celest burrow]

i just noticed that too

the arrows are gone

[faint glacier]

@quick cosmoslets quit replying to comments from a few hours ago

[fluid shoal]

you can keybind it

[faint glacier]

they were told to quit arguing. we do not need to bait another argument

[craggy canyon]

new UI needs the old UI's functions like the transparency, and the ability to customise the color to how the old one was. this new UI causes so much eye fatigue you wont have to worry about the "you have been playing too long try taking a break" message 90% of people will either be afk or loging out with migraines and eye strain.

theres a reason 99% of websites now have dark modes .

[obtuse scroll]

well i tried to config where you have your f8, but it dont work for me, the bar stay the same

[near olive]

I am looking forward to the POH update later this year.

[craggy canyon]

best start saving your planks now lol that 90m xp to 120 going to burn the bank

[near olive]

true

[olive birch]

transparency is still an option
I don't see any option to change the color

[fickle surge]

You were absolutely right. Has it always been like this? Those useless arrows literally slide 10 pixels.

[olive birch]

I kind of miss the blue, but I feel like I'm weird for saying that

[fickle surge]

maximum transparency, and still opaque.

[reef siren]

Based on the responses I've been reading on here and the reddit threads that seems like the overwhelming majority for me (at least, that it should have been a choice)

[rain agate]

honestly as a migraine and bad eye sight person, this litterally makes it better for me with the UI

[olive birch]

can see through just fine

[ashen bluff]

Im liking the UI. Its nostalgic.
Yeah there are a few minor issues but it just came out. Just need time to listen to feedback

[fickle surge]

Have you seen the previous UI?

[rain agate]

I agree, the UI is nice and clean, the blue made it terrible for me sadly, glad it's back to a neutral color I'm farmiliar with

[near olive]

very faded out

[olive birch]

it's been a while since I studied the transparency, true, but it's possible to see through it

[ashen bluff]

I can still see and click through it perfectly fine

[rain agate]

I'm on a 4k screen, 34 inch ultra wide, everything is crisp for me 😮

[near olive]

lucky for you, i'm not

[olive birch]

usually had it peripherally, I think my main difference is the color
the text does feel sharper though, which is nice

[fickle surge]

I'm sorry if I sounded rude, it wasn't my intention😅 😆 i meant, 100% transparency was an option

[mystic ravine]

I think it was unecessary

[olive birch]

I don't like staring at the bank though. little harder on the eyes I think.

[rain agate]

I am happy with it, sorry I understand people like the previous UI, but for me this makes more sense and is in spirit with the game, also it looks way more clean and less out of place.

[olive birch]

I never set the transparency that high, I think my personal transparency setting feels just about the exact same as it used to be though

[ashen bluff]

Give em time. Ive no doubt a toggle will be added.

[olive birch]

calendar integraded into the minimap though makes me feel like the minimap lost some height, on the other hand

[hazy thicket]

i know im getting old, but its getting hard to see which i have highlighted

[ashen bluff]

Yea. Calender should be a seprate thing

[hazy thicket]

each button also has its own color

[tiny notch]

Do we know if mobiles getting a UI touch up or?

Or the resolution fix for tablets (theres a workaround on android)

[solar belfry]

Mobile is later as its an entirely different kit system, so they're more than likely going to fine tune pc first then move to mobile

[fickle surge]

hate that too

[stable burrow]

ngl i'd fw it

[fickle surge]

Revert it, we don't need it😭

[solar belfry]

I dont have that kind of power, at most i been collecting what bugs people do report in #bug-reports-forms to keep it consolidated for them to read em

[feral zenith]

Attaching the daily's calendar to the map was a BAAAAD decision

[solar belfry]

And if anything i been at it for about 12h, give or take time to eat, rest, and get water

[olive birch]

admittedly I had mine in the map area, but it didn't block off map space for it, and certainly not blocking of map space around it horizontally just to take up space.

[fickle surge]

You're probably doing a good job, I just feel the need to spread my hatred for this update😂

[solar belfry]

I dont think i kept a counter of ALL the duplicates reported, from the known issues lists in #bug-reports-forms but there's easily been about 50 re-reports of things which were already shown in it.

So i have had to show a bit of patience on it, but they were reported understandably in the end.

A lot of them marked they didn't report ingame though, which is the #1 avenue to get these things known to jagex through the system.

[elfin creek]

Its probably a stupid question but will dxps be affected?

Aside from removal of proteans and so on

[solar belfry]

I dont have my notes with me (away from home) but i think the only direct thing mentioned from memory was lowering the frequency they have them a year

[elfin creek]

So no more 4 times a year?

[solar belfry]

So instead of 4, is 2 i think. I dont have my notes to double check

[obtuse scroll]

i tought they said they will cut the frequency to 2 times a year isntead of 4

[limber saffron]

it's probably gonna be 2 times per year, with the other 2 replaced by other events like bossing weeks

[elfin creek]

So knowing this will next dxp be in February?

[feral zenith]

They actively REMOVED customisation functionality.

[fickle surge]

what about proteans, portables, dummies? one last chance to use them on dxp? 😛

[obtuse scroll]

not feb, i think they said on may

[limber saffron]

at least 2 more I'd think

[rigid egret]

I can get behind almost any update or change in the game, but not being able to play in legacy interface is horrible for me. Why couldn't they have left that?

[elfin creek]

Oh well this sucks... I enjoyed dxps a lot

[rotund linden]

Bring back the blue UI! greenish-brown ui is so gross.

[cunning gorge]

Ok I'm finding the contrast of dark brown and such a light colour of text very hard to see, and the bank is very hard to see for me too

[dark wedge]

U should have 2 chances , once in may , once in Nov?

[vapid cloud]

I love the Varrock Rework, but one weird thing I noticed was that they removed the sign outside the Blue Moon Inn...the sign with a blue moon

[bleak kindle]

I'm kinda iffy on auras being removed without recompense — especially the Mahjarrat and Desert Pantheon auras, which require significant investment.
I consider a POH overhaul a worthy trade, but dunno if the sentiment will be shared — Nothing quite like Supreme Invigorate->Living Death->Super Adrenaline->Death Skulls to get that extra set of Death Skulls in...

[olive birch]

yeah this used to be an option.
not sure why they took away the option.

[obtuse scroll]

im worry about penance aura, we will get a proper replacement?

[queen skiff]

Penance aura should just be the holy wrench upgraded or something

[stiff hare]

we have penance powder already as a replacement

[queen skiff]

Oh yeah I forgot about that

But it’s a pain in the ass to grind

[ashen bluff]

Can buy it. It is a bit pricey tho

[obtuse scroll]

expensive, half effectiveness, and a pain on the ass for irons

[stiff hare]

not that expensive, could be be buffed by jagex to full effectiveness, and valid. Could be buffed in terms of how easy it is to farm, addressing points 1 and 3 if needed

its an example of having the aura's effects moved to other reward space

[fluid shoal]

thing is broken lmao

[fresh cape]

People can use both in combination ..

[stiff hare]

i think you're missing the point. Its the same effect, and could be adjusted to function as a complete replacement

and its reward space from actual gameplay that provides that effect

[hybrid leaf]

I'm not color blind, but I do have sensitive vision and have everything I possibly can on dark mode. The color we had before this update was perfect, it balanced the brights in the game, and even the darker areas like Canifis. This brown color, no matter what I do with the transparency, is going to make it really hard to play like I used to. I'm okay right now with just afk skills, but when it comes to quests and bossing, I'm not going to be able to handle it without it hurting, and I don't intend to. So, my dilemma is, wait until there's word of a possible color toggle or something, or just don't do bossing again and don't progress with other areas of the game. With that said, I don't think I'll want to continue playing much, or at least like I used to.

[fresh cape]

It’s not it’s stronger using both

It’s a nerf to get rid and just rely on penance powder

[stiff hare]

again, you're missing the point

[fresh cape]

I’m legally blind

[stiff hare]

what if penance powder got buffed to 7.5% in the same update that removed the aura?

the point is not a numbers debate

[fresh cape]

Penance powder would go up in price

Wouldn’t be good

[stiff hare]

and if they also made it 10x easier to get?

at the same time?

[fresh cape]

Then it’s worthless

And it wouldn’t be good

As people use it to make money

Whoever makes it for example

[stiff hare]

alright you win im done

[fresh cape]

120! Construction sounds fun

Not sure why we get more range armour tho lol

[woeful adder]

It’s masterwork, just gives range that option

[fresh cape]

It’s t85

?

But ok masterwork fair

[woeful adder]

Oh wait lmao

I may be wrong

[fresh cape]

It sounds like some new armour t85-90

Sirenic is already 22gp

I hope they integrate existing items

Rather than create new stuff

[woeful adder]

Isn’t it coming from new hunter things for 110 hunter?

[fresh cape]

No idea but it could be an add on to current armours

Or something

If it’s masterwork maybe makes sense

[copper crow]

Please consider changing the changes you made to legacy interface mode back.

[fresh cape]

Please allow us to sell tokens we have for runecoins

Or further way to trade these items in so we can like unlock the other stuff

[hybrid leaf]

I hope that they can give us a toggle for the color switch. Between here, FB, and Reddit, there's a lot of mixed feelings regarding the color, I'm not for this new color because it's hard on my eyes. I've seen enough say they want the old color back, like myself, and others saying they prefer this. If they gave us a color toggle, it'll make all happy.
(My comments are solely based on color scheme, not UI layout)

[fresh cape]

Was a shock for sure

I don’t like the bank ui

[clever bane]

The interface font needs some work

[fresh cape]

Mobile is different too

[clever bane]

is my boneshield level 53 or 58

[crude egret]

https://i.imgur.com/14Ps5yi.mp4

[reef siren]

I think the suspicion most people have and the reason a lot of people are bringing it up in the first place is that we think that's very unlikely to happen..

There are a lot of things they 'could do' to partially or fully replace auras so their identical functionality is replicated. But when they say definitively things are going to be removed without also definitively saying they have X plan to mitigate it (other than hypothetically considering reworking things to an unknown degree), it doesn't instill confidence.

The whole point of removing auras due to dailyscape was that they were seemingly overpowered when inaccessible due to timegates - and the fact that they were gated and not easily continuously usable hour after hour to begin with was the entire rationale for their existence.

With removing TH, and focusing on selling BXP directly, the fact that they removed premier aura with no replacement, removing portables with no kind of replacement, nothing points to them wanting to go down the direction of re-implementing the functionality of this stuff to make skilling/bossing easier, if anything they will continue to be removed without replacement (or only partial replacement).

[stiff hare]

Thats a fine criticism. Giving feedback in the form of "dont remove auras" is much less helpful than saying "I want a clear and actionble plan for how they would be replaced, or assurances that they will be replaced in a manner thats accessible"

[sonic swallow]

A great idea would had been let the players pick the color of the lay out, your player base is like your customer and the customer is like always right. (EG: a color wheel which determines the color of the lay out. Allowing the player to chose the color is a great way to express individuality, this may lead to a happier consumer {player} base.) Hopefully the new transmogrify skill lets us transform into a vampire hedgehog.(It could be like sonic if he was a vampire or something.)

[hybrid leaf]

I think a color wheel pick is actually great! Not only pleasing everyone, but like you said, a great way to express ones individuality, just as cosmetics allows us to do.

[tidal silo]

Soooo….Shadow the Hedgehog?

[fresh cape]

Combat auras worked fine

[stiff hare]

A lot of people have issues with auras because auras make the game funner when theyre active, and the issues are just that leads to worse gameplay when theyre not available (on cooldown, cant afford one), and feeling obligated to continue to engage with content while they are active in order to not waste the duration.

If they were removed with no replacement, I think a lot of the supporters of aura removal would complain since it puts us back in the state of "no aura gaming" that is the worse gameplay permanently. The support for aura removal is, for many people, contingent on that power being added to the game in other reward spaces, such as leveling benefits or other passives unlockable through gameplay. I don't think very many people just want to straight up nerf every activity in the game.

[timid inlet]

why didn't they just leave it split between modern and legacy and make legacy the default new player experience?

[copper crow]

Bring back the big adrenaline bar in legacy interface mode

[hybrid leaf]

Even that would have been good. They gave us the option of having Legacy mode before this update, why not give us the option to keep the color we had before the update!? I'm happy they gave us the toggle for the UI mode, for those who want to change it and those of us who like what we have. I just wish they let us keep the color.

[timid inlet]

This is how I feel about it.

[fickle surge]

i would, but i paid with bonds

[hybrid leaf]

I would like to, but I want to be hopeful and wait to see if they'll fix this. Enough of us are speaking out about not liking the color, so I just hope they see that and make the needed adjustment.

[timid inlet]

if they don't fix it before it runs out they won't get more money from me.

[celest burrow]

i miss it so much

[wary ridge]

lol

[obtuse scroll]

btw, what is that aura icon that is placed where the premier artifact was before? (in the reset aura section), just a visual bug?

[wary ridge]

probably just a placeholder, they're all getting removed soon

[mental snow]

I just paid for premier with bonds about a week or two ago, so I can't do this.

I would if I could though. Most of what the roadmap has is generally pretty good, but the lows are so low that they overshadow the highs.

The UI sucks, but the dealbreaker for me personally is the combat "improvements." I can read between the lines and I know that means making everything more like necromancy and I hate necromancy.

[clever bane]

for me it's the time-gateyness and the way they sorta impose artificial "lockouts"

I'm okay with the ones that can be earned in game

it's more the system around auras I don't like than the auras themselves

[stiff hare]

yea, but thats only a problem because theyre actually really good to use

[clever bane]

I don't mind running without one it's more like

say I get idk an ed2 reaper or smth and I finish and I have like a half hour left on the aura

[stiff hare]

if they gave a truly minor buff people wouldnt mind running without them

[woeful adder]

That last part, absolutely FACTS. Even though I chose to go bis Necro on iron first cos it’s easy, I hate that they’re tryna make it like Necro

[clever bane]

now I feel compelled to use the rest of the half hour on the hour even if I don't wanna do combat after I finish that reaper

in practice I just ignore it and let it tick down but that still feels kinda bad

[noble dune]

While I can live with brown, the shade is problematic. The bank/backpack/loot/store/etc windows are simply too dark and create contrast issues for many if not most people. Something a bit lighter is necessary.

On the issue of the combat updates coming... I like Necro but removing so many of the ability options from other skills negates the uniqueness of each skill. Just too homogenized. And I spent 10's of millions of anima on Salt the wound and bladed dive, not to mention time and effort and money to earn auras. Will we be refunded all that anima and marks of war, etc. when these things are removed? Likely not.

[stiff hare]

is bladed dive even used anywhere outside raksha? even then at high level raksha you ignore pools mostly

[noble dune]

For what it's worth, we all know that the 'powers that be' have a certain fetish for all things OSRS. The goal seems to be make RS3 (RuneScape actually) a reflection of OSRS. It's really not about player opinion or input - the parameters established for the 'vote' to remove TH (a removal I wholeheartedly agree with) proved that. The powers that be have a direction THEY want to go with, and we have the option to adjust to that direction or find something else to play. It is their game in the end.

[wary ridge]

I believe you can contact customer support for a forced cancellation and refund

[noble dune]

Bladed Dive isn't mainstream by a long shot. But the ability to have options unique to a specific style is appealing for a great many people. Sometimes it's just about just the fun and not always the absolute usefulness.

[fickle surge]

The cursor overlaps the numbers. Stressful...

[wary ridge]

if you're not aware they already took in the feedback of not removing abilities

some abilities have since been reintroduced

[olive birch]

we HAD a color toggle. it's weird that they took it out

[fickle surge]

we had transparency too, now maximum transparency is like ⬛

[wintry wren]

color toggle still wouldnt fix my gripes about the ui design in general

[fickle surge]

same

[wintry wren]

just let us choose between
legacy ui
RS3 ui
and this 2026 ui

[north crest]

UI too dark. cant hardly see stuff in inventory unless its noted

[wary ridge]

I don't really see much difference in design between this ui and the previous one, I just want color choices

default brown, legacy light brown, rs3 blue, darkscape red, dark gray darkmode, light mode for insane people

[hardy gyro]

Green for me pls

[wintry wren]

imo
The ribbon icons contrast poorly and are difficult to see
The mouseover textboxes are too big and obscure
The arrows to change the action bar are gone
The forced clock position in square mini map mode looks very clunky and waste space
tabs are very congested

so even if we get blue back those issues would still be there

if i had to list a few issues

[celest burrow]

[dark thistle]

I don't understand why legacy is still limited to only two additional hotbars

[stiff hare]

give me darkscape reddddddddd

i would kill for that again

[wary ridge]

I would really like a toggle for the modern UI that makes the windows work like the classic ui, overlapping windows replace each other instead of combining into a tabbed window

currently I have inventory and equipment perma-open with a decent number of windows set to where that skills window is, I want that window to work like the second window in the classic ui does

[dark thistle]

When they said UI overhaul I was expecting like additional colours and stuff not the practical removal of 2/3 options

[wary ridge]

removal of the transparency slider was also odd

I mean I can guess why

consistency of look

a full on transparency slider results in effectively infinite permutations of UI look and I imagine they want to move away from that

so they cut back on some options that are probably not fully utilized in general

[dark thistle]

You can have a Hatsune miku skin on your runelite client on osrs, considering the jagex launcher itself recommends runelite and how accessible UI customisation, albeit limited on osrs is

[wary ridge]

yeah there is that but those are plugins

so they might be of the attitude of

one default ui, do whatever you want in plugins

[dark thistle]

UI is the window through which you interact with the game world and it's something I'm particularly obsessed about so I'm struggling to accept these changes ngl

Even if minor a lot of it keeps adding up

[celest burrow]

just pray jagex listen

all we can do

[wary ridge]

I'm not worried, they already said the ui update isn't just this one update

[wary cairn]

updating the engine so we can have bank space:
saving a few bytes of data by removing transparency slider:

[wintry wren]

well if its anything like this one im worried

[wintry wren]

TRUEEE LOOL

[wary cairn]

they will update the UI to have bits of corn stuck in it

[celest burrow]

😭

[rose harness]

Is there any word on whether the API project will be LUA based?

[wary ridge]

no word on anything, right now they're just taking applications for the #rs-api channel

[rose harness]

Hopefully. Excited to make some!

[native trellis]

Why is being able to hide people's overrides such a big deal?

Isn't being able to hide peoples spell effects and familiars more important?

[stiff hare]

it can be really jarring. Imagine you're casually fishing at catherby and this walks up:

now im pretty sure that one is designed intentionally to be ugly

[native trellis]

Stand on top if him/her and he/she vanishes

[stiff hare]

and if theyre not standing right next to the fishing spot?

are you supposed to stop fishing to not see them anymore?

[stiff hare]

theyre working on this too

but i think they just had a lot of the code for disabling cosmetics already and it was easier to implement as a toggle

[native trellis]

Fair enough, but I don't see why that mattered more

[stiff hare]

i dont think its a matter of "mattering more" so much as its just what they did for whatever reason

could have been easier to deliver before the deadline of the update

[dark wedge]

I would like us to be able to name our presets based on text and not their pre-filled stuff tbh

[native trellis]

Then you would have people being incredibly immature about it like nicknaming Pokemon on GTC

[solar belfry]

Since preset text is sent when sharing uis, that's one area best not to. Plus it's less data to store a list index, than characters for each, multiplied by each player profile (multiple in some cases like betas/leagues)

Its also why a lot of presets dont, for the data aspects

[native trellis]

Also, is there a settings option to have buff timers back?

Doing Shifting Tombs and I can't see the urn buff timer anymore

[solar belfry]

Resize it larger for now, as its a subset from text padding bugs i believe

[native trellis]

Ah I see

[solar belfry]

So its larger text than it shows, so it omits it

Larger buff icons have larger sizes allowed for text

[native trellis]

Right right

[solar belfry]

At least thats the current workaround

Certain things where it does stacks AND timers may vary

[winter axle]

Is there a list of patch notes or is it just what’s in the newspost?

[solar belfry]

The blog covers the general gist of the changes, i believe. But there's so many individual changes that it's a bit much to do tbh.

For the large part on the ui, is the theme changed, classic is the locked version of the new default layout, modern is the unlocked classic version, some changes to how the buff bars and panels anchor, minimap changes including shape and sizes, and converting a lot of ui elements to share a similar kit overall pending some conditional tweaks

And the edit mode+presets got a new lick of paint from the ESC menu (checkboxes are organized, allow border toggling, and preset naming)

[dark wedge]

Why not lol , it won’t affect anyone else tbh lol

[solar belfry]

People already try to sneak rwt site names where possible

[dark wedge]

Ah but damm, I wanna more variations in the selection options. Like some of the bosses are not within the preset list sadly

[dark wedge]

In presets renaming?

They must be so downbad to advertise lol

[solar belfry]

Player inputs others see, like your examine text

[native trellis]

Because it will, and you can share revolution bars and whatnot

[solar belfry]

Players then can have their examine text permanently disabled

[dark wedge]

ah , bank presets tho?

[native trellis]

You severely underestimate how childish people can be when they are given the option

[dark wedge]

I mean the bank presets kind

[solar belfry]

Bank presets arent player nameable, but share the same data bloat.

Think 300m player profiles allocated, say... 12 bytes to have a 12-character name each slot, i think 15 tabs, and then and additional set for 15 presets.

That's 108mb of storage in JUST preset and tab text. Even though that's just 360bytes per profile additional, it adds up especially in backups, bandwidth moving profiles around, and more.

Each time you'd load into the game, it transfers your profile and just that extra 360bytes adds up. Our profiles are already a few megabytes each.

So sometimes less is more, for what's effectively going to have the same effect. As adding new entries to a list would be more cost effective to have in your caches, to load an id, than text inputs. Not even counting censor systems to handle it. Or the fact our characters can have 3 profiles on them (main, beta, leagues)

[dark wedge]

Yea , will be nice if we can have more options ah , hopefully it’s a small
Thing that the mods could explore and add soon. I think some bosses name are not inside so it will be nice to get them added and have more options in it too

[near olive]

I can barely see my shard of Erebus in my bank it's so dark. They need to stop making items so dark if they are going to keep the UI this way.

This picture shows it up close it's worse in game

[winter axle]

When bank light mode 😏

[near olive]

This is part of the video where Mod STU talks about the new look UI but they show the transparency of the UI as it was before you can no longer get this kind of transparency so why show it in the video like it is the same as before.

[digital orchid]

The D&D reset tokens are on the list of items that may or may not be removed after the grace period.

[digital orchid]

That's a maybe, unless they got changed and I'm looking at an old list. D&D tokens are on the maybe list.

[digital orchid]

I thought with the latest post there would have concise information re the direction for the maybe list. But nope, left hanging.
Not wanting to spend the next year ignoring new content to use up items that may in the end not be removed.
Please Jx make up you mind. Give us enough notice so players can have an informed decision to use or for go them.

[dense wharf]

Which items in particular are you looking for for a confirmation on whats happening with them?

[digital orchid]

Wicked hood tp's, dragon trinkets are the two main ones that I have a large stack of.

[wary cairn]

bandos 10 steps ahead making his battle plans this color

[umbral surge]

i don't like the graphic UI changes to the brown layout and the views are really different. I prefer the option of having the original rs3 interfaces.

I'm not a osrs player and i play rs3 for a reason and i don't like the changes and why is the event calendar now tacked onto the navigation bar?

can we vote to get option at least to get the original rs3 UI back

so users who prefer it can still keep it? i can't see any options versus previously there were several options for UI.

captain's log also defaulting to resources collected rather than voyages page making dailies 2 extra clicks more than previously

[chilly belfry]

have they removed the arrows on the action bar. cant just flick quickly through bars you need to click on the number now

[rapid shoal]

This ui is a shit

[umbral surge]

give us the old UI back

[chilly belfry]

not sure if colour scheme of bad scaling but ribbon icons just seem smaller and harder to see. tried inferface scaling option

but that just made eerything bigger not just icons

[hardy breach]

yup those are gone 😭

[hardy breach]

noticed that too! spot on

[near olive]

Another thing I noticed is if you toggle other peoples overrides, it does not toggle off your own which seems wrong if you don't like to see overrides. It should also hide any you have as well shouldn't it? I like my overrides I just wanted to see what it looked like and I was surprised to see mine did not hide.

[winter axle]

Is there a way to access Solomon's store in-game or has that been completly changed to website only?

[stiff hare]

if you want to not see your own overrides, just... turn off your own overrides?

[umbral surge]

mine looks like this stacked ...:( it looks so bad compared to previous design.

[near olive]

well yeah and if you don't like them one would think they wouldn't use them but it doesn't seam fair

[stiff hare]

what?

[dense wharf]

Just because i don't want to see other peoples particle explosions doesn't mean i hate seeing my retro dragon armour

[near olive]

true but I hate that you might see me in some ugly skilling outfit instead of my beautiful dress On my other account. I am a girl irl

[dense wharf]

Or i just like being a snowman but don't want to see hundreds of random misfits when running around the game.

[dense wharf]

Lucky for you you don't know that I can't see your ugly cosmetics though 🙂

[near olive]

I don't wear ugly cosmetics but a lot of people have some crazy stuff going on.

[winter axle]

'Ugly' is subjective.

[near olive]

This is much better than the WC skilling outfit I have on under it

[chilly belfry]

personally i just use cosmetics to give my character a simple design and hide mismatched and ugly equip. i miss the black wizard hat before they changed it to a hood in 2012. very few items have the true black of priest gown, they all look washed out grey