Oki, please do not make the game arcadey to this extent.

[barren hound]

and no i dont think it is something that it will save the game, that is stupid and i dont think i want a project reality blocky version or whatever, but it is something to make this game be almost of the time fully everyone is on your own and make classes like medic and support basically be worthless in their job of helping their team

[patent pumice]

I think he's banned lmao

[barren hound]

tanks basically being so easy to kill but then you have to relie most of the time on your team to survive or be one that has to play defensive most of the time

[barren hound]

the fuck did he do lmao

[patent pumice]

This is only true if you assume that the steam page was at all accurate on launch. I didnt play the playtests or for the first ~1 month after release, but from what other people say about those time, the steam page was not at all accurate.

[topaz niche]

No mutual servers

Gg ez

[grizzled sparrow]

correct

it was chaos and voip idiots

[patent pumice]

I dont think it's that he's going back and forth between what he wants out of the game. Infact I think the mix of arcade and milsim works really well and makes battlebit extremely unique in a sea of extremely generic shooters with extremely generic gunplay. The problem is that Oki simply does not understand what made his game fun in the first place, which leads to him fixing problems that arent problems which degrades what people enjoyed about the game in the first place.

[grizzled sparrow]

picking a side is not necessarily a good thing

i like the mix as is

[barren hound]

same honestly

[grizzled sparrow]

just with some tweaks for improving qol

[tame elbow]

I got this game because it was Battlefield with 256 players if that changes then imma stop playing, even more tempted after teh 2042 fiasco

[grizzled sparrow]

tbh the game will not change like That with this upcoming patch

but the gameplay will be a bit more noob friendly

[tame elbow]

ew

[grizzled sparrow]

(a lot)

[tame elbow]

People just need to get good and that's it

[grizzled sparrow]

yep

or realizr that winning and losing a match have literally no impact

[tame elbow]

Not saying games shouldn't be new player friendly

[grizzled sparrow]

stuff like bleeding and mag packing are just like… they were always there?? and no one complained about them being inaccessible

[tame elbow]

But it still fucking sucks when a game throws away everything to cater to new player what about the vets?

[barren hound]

bleed getting removed is one i still think

[tame elbow]

Bleed needs a rework

[thorny yoke]

It should prolly be more noob friendly just using different methods

[barren hound]

bc it did had alot of ideias to change it in the suggestion chat

yet removing it is the first thing when public test servers are gonna be used to do stuf like this

[grizzled sparrow]

imo just threshold adjustment and thats it

[tame elbow]

Exactly

[grizzled sparrow]

there is no test branch yet since oki does everything on main

[barren hound]

like my ideia of making certain weapons having highertreshold

aka lmgs having more than smgs etc

kills two birds with one stone when it comes to supression mehcanincs and bleed

[real wedge]

if it were so simple, mp shooters wouldn't be shit but here we are in the age of shitter crybabies and r*garded people that need their hand held at every opportunity

[real wedge]

both fit the game, are fun and are implemented properly

[grizzled sparrow]

i suck ass at fps games and still got 200

anyone can do it

[patent pumice]

Its hard to give suggestions on what to do with bleed when its not exactly clear what Oki's problem with it is to begin with.

[barren hound]

isnt gonna be somtehing like a test branch for that

[grizzled sparrow]

took me 600 hours but i managed to do it

[barren hound]

or am i tweaking

[grizzled sparrow]

nope he made the role but look at how he devs the game

otherwise we’d have it already but he does it all on main

[thorny yoke]

From what i understand it doesnt slow the game down or somethibg

[barren hound]

https://tenor.com/view/based-kneel-dark-souls-gif-24182729

[grizzled sparrow]

it doenst

i get bleed and go FASTER

[thorny yoke]

Yep

[grizzled sparrow]

bleed and mag packing fit perfectly with conquest pace imo

[patent pumice]

It definitely slows the game down for the average player

[thorny yoke]

From what i recall thats his reasoning

[grizzled sparrow]

shit is so slow until you get into combat that those things are not really a problem in downtime

[real wedge]

they work in 32v32 domination

[barren hound]

true, and it is the closest to a supressio mechanic aswell

[grizzled sparrow]

because it’s smaller and slower yea

[barren hound]

just a bad one when you hit 40hp and you bleed like hell

[tame elbow]

Mag packing is fine because it doesn't get in the way

[grizzled sparrow]

yep if it was lowered it’s be fine, like 20hp

still a really forgiving bleed time though

[real wedge]

without bleeding the game will be faster which was considered bad back in jan and it still is?
you can bandage on the run, the only thing I'd change is self bandage for classes that aren't medic faster

[barren hound]

20hp for guns like smgs and ars, lmgs and snipers 40hp but after you bandage yourself you cant bleed for like 10 seconds

[grizzled sparrow]

every class got medic bandage speed due to complaints

now assault is the strongest class

[barren hound]

together that medic gameplay is boring and time consuming

[real wedge]

"Nnooooo but you can respawn" - gold fish attention span players
doesn't change the fact that mag combining is good

[barren hound]

also risky if you cant even trust your teammates

[grizzled sparrow]

people still complain about “smg medic” on the reddit

[tame elbow]

i think classes having bonuses is dumb imo

[barren hound]

trying to save one and that mf wants to kill hiimself

[patent pumice]

I think Oki is under the impression that bleed is just an annoyance that does nothing to slow the game down, so removing it will remove and annoyance and do nothing to speed the game up. It seems like he only pays attention to either the absolute worst players and CLIPS of the best players.

[real wedge]

I've been maining medic since forever and I ain't gonna change

[grizzled sparrow]

assault literally makes any gun more viable

[barren hound]

jesus

let that die

[real wedge]

listening to anything on reddit is a bad idea

[grizzled sparrow]

correct

i get pure hatred from the sub because i posted one video

so i do it again

[tame elbow]

Based

[barren hound]

medic was good bc of fast heal and a variety of weapons

it got fixed but nothing to compensate for it

[real wedge]

it slows the game just well enough I like it compared to warface or ironsight or cod were you can just keep going

[grizzled sparrow]

now assault is stronger because of chunk heal and medic bandage speed plus weapon buffs :)

[tame elbow]

Can someone tell me why recon got more weapons?

[barren hound]

also the random bandage speed buff for all class was so random

[grizzled sparrow]

all classes got more weapons

[tame elbow]

I know i know

[barren hound]

support players finally getting a new gun and 4 brs

[tame elbow]

But why recon specifically, it didnt need more

[grizzled sparrow]

it was because medic had fastest and other classes were super slow, people complained about this incentivizing medic way too much

[barren hound]

we dont use the brs at all

[tame elbow]

It's a sniper and dmr class

[patent pumice]

We have literally no idea

[real wedge]

because many shitters play sniper so they need peddling to or something

[patent pumice]

The only possible reason is to allow people to use BRs and drones at the same time

[fast willow]

Basically what I pinged the emergency mod thing for

[tame elbow]

I dont see myself going recon with an smg, if i wanted to do that i'd go assault or medic

[grizzled sparrow]

the 30 players in my eduardovo frontline spawn zone:

[barren hound]

LMAO

[fast willow]

He posted very no-no stuff think thats what got him banned

But anyways let’s not dwell on it don’t wanna derail the suggestion

[patent pumice]

Recon gets 0 passives, assault gets buffed ads speed and reload speed. There is literally never any reason to use sniper over assault

Unless you for some reason want to use a drone too

[real wedge]

this
personally I don't see a reason to play other classes since medic heals and has good guns

[tame elbow]

I remember some years ago i was admin on a discord server and there was this player saying very risky stuff, i throw him a warn and he proceeds to spam very very risky pron

[grizzled sparrow]

wait cioi banned

based as fuck

[barren hound]

idk why but i really think the devs think that weapons alone define the class and dont try to changes gadgets around

recon as a actual recon is so bad

just change it to sniper

[grizzled sparrow]

if anything recon should be the fastest as a “recon”

it’s just a sniper

[tame elbow]

mhm

[grizzled sparrow]

and its as slow as if not slower than exo

[barren hound]

enginner but he specialize in destroying and not repairing

[thorny yoke]

I just found out cioi is banned lmao

[tame elbow]

why the fuck is the fkn chat log scrolling up by itself

[real wedge]

don't make recon fast, they're already too annoying to hit halfway across the map

[tame elbow]

Just get rid of class bonuses

[thorny yoke]

Actually recon does have a single passive

[real wedge]

because discord is awful

[grizzled sparrow]

spotting

[thorny yoke]

Enemy ping lasts longer

[grizzled sparrow]

[thorny yoke]

Passive is a passive

[grizzled sparrow]

totally forgot until just now

[patent pumice]

true

[barren hound]

it is like 4 seconds long?

[thorny yoke]

Normally

[grizzled sparrow]

double the normal time i think

[patent pumice]

i think its 4 normally and 6 for recon

[thorny yoke]

For recon its like double

[patent pumice]

12 seconds for drone pings

[grizzled sparrow]

ah

[barren hound]

12 seconds should be base honestly

[real wedge]

I remember when spotting was introduced and everyone had soft wallhacks lol

[grizzled sparrow]

3d spotting

[grizzled sparrow]

i miss the days i had danarchy on pocket recon

giving me walls on isle frontline

[barren hound]

i would say if there was a mini map the recon doing just spotting could be scary

[grizzled sparrow]

technically just use map key

i have it bound to b

so i just spam map

[barren hound]

true but it does take half your vision and you cant shoot while on it

also im sure rarely people do it

also about classes engie should be the only one that had the ability to insta build
just feels silly that support can do it aswell

[patent pumice]

Quintessential trading offensive abilities for using map as a crutch.

[tame elbow]

The names confuse me, i thought the engie could instabuild not the support

After all his name says it "Engineer"

[real wedge]

don't need the enemies to be spotted if you're good B-)

[barren hound]

also also you have to relie on your teammate to do it

and no one is spotting to get like 50 xp compared to 100+ from killing

[grizzled sparrow]

800

[barren hound]

with headshot?

[grizzled sparrow]

nope

headhsot brings to 1200

[barren hound]

i tried to get base but with the ammount of xp bonus i tried to tone it down

so i was wrong lmao

[grizzled sparrow]

you’re thinking of old system, even then they counted as 800 but never told you

[patent pumice]

Having a ping assists stat would be cool

[grizzled sparrow]

don’t give oki ideas to delay for

[barren hound]

oki hates bc xop farm

[grizzled sparrow]

not like he reads this

[patent pumice]

Seems like the type of thing that should have been introduced along with the 3d pings

[grizzled sparrow]

the progrssion in this game is so bad

you should’ve seen the gromping incident 4 months ago

[barren hound]

im curious about it now

explain

[grizzled sparrow]

oki made a big fuss in gen chat and had no idea what we actually did to get 3.3m xp in a game

so he threatened to ban 14 players and he ended up nerfing squad leader and adding stupid respawn penalty

all that shit that broke suic4

[barren hound]

it does have but only when someone kills the guy pinned and it is so low

like why even have the 12 seconds longer spotting for recon

[barren hound]

wow

[grizzled sparrow]

refusal to listen or understand the problem then giving an ultimatum for punishment

🤷‍♂️ they all quit less than a month later

oki changed nothing but killed off literal teamplay

[patent pumice]

A while ago the best strat to get xp was to have a full squad of people with a squad leader pinging points that you then all go and cap. During a double xp weekend or something, gromp got a clan squad together and all did this getting crazy score per minute. Oki saw this and thought they were abusing some glitch and threatened to ban them or reverse their xp to 0. This event is why we have a suicide respawn timer penalty, because he though suiciding had something to do with the "exploit".

@grizzled sparrow This is correct retelling right?

[grizzled sparrow]

p much yes

[topaz niche]

wait really

[real wedge]

huh?

[topaz niche]

Is oki that stupid

Holy shit

[barren hound]

god taht sucks lmao

[grizzled sparrow]

he also told com server owners that instant respawn is now banned

[thorny yoke]

Dear fuck

[real wedge]

are you surprised lol?

[topaz niche]

I’m surprised I didn’t know this story in perfect detail until now

[grizzled sparrow]

he attributed gromp xp to respawn bonus abuse even though every scoreboard showed only like 40 deaths

[tame elbow]

bruh that's wild

[topaz niche]

I knew the story but I didn’t know that was why suicide timer existed

💀

[real wedge]

what did he think was going to happen during a double xp weekend

[thorny yoke]

Same

[barren hound]

oki when people get more xp in the double xp weekend

https://tenor.com/view/vince-mcmahon-wwe-turning-around-meme-gif-24430666

[patent pumice]

This is actually an extremely good point. What gromp was doing was exactly the team play he wants, but he punished them for it. Now he wants to encourage "teamplay" by making it harder to kill clumps of players.

[grizzled sparrow]

just search up gromping

[fast willow]

“Surely people will play the game the way I want them too and not become efficient xp grinders”

[grizzled sparrow]

yeah this was the worst part of it

squad leader can no longer get 60k xp for a single cap in clan squad

[thorny yoke]

It makes sense now

[grizzled sparrow]

disincentivizes large squads

[real wedge]

“Surely people will play the game the way I want them to and not the way they want to"

WHY DON"T YOU DO WHAT I WANT YOU TO REEEEEEE

[grizzled sparrow]

keep in mind for 75%of the incident he said that gromp was abusing instant respawn on squad mate bonus(200xp)

which again

you could see was Not what was happening

[patent pumice]

lmao didnt they have like 4 million xp games or something?

[tame elbow]

He's the dev game how can he not understand his own game

[barren hound]

did gromp said that it was the capture point thing and oki just kept ignoring it?

[grizzled sparrow]

3.3m xp wr

[grizzled sparrow]

yeah because he said that shit in gen chat and riled up people who had no idea what was going on and listened to oki

[topaz niche]

He probably did no research into the incident and decided to be trigger happy about it.

[tame elbow]

Also why is battlebit's score system so weird

[topaz niche]

littlebirds 😭

[tame elbow]

Some stuff gives 100xp then it gives 500xp

[real wedge]

the score system should be the least of our worries

[barren hound]

killing giving 800xp and spotting gives 50 makes me think more about this, bc it could be considered exploit for oki if capturing objective is considered one

[thorny yoke]

Eh its tad nonsensical cause they havent changed the values and shit much

[patent pumice]

This is just because Oki wasnt able to accurately predict what would be more or less worth getting xp when he initially implemented it, so he just went with his best guess. Now we're stuck with the numbers as they are until it becomes a priority.

This is the case for a lot of things in this game

Like mags for example

[tame elbow]

Quick mag having debuffs is dumb

[grizzled sparrow]

again incentivizing killing 150+ idiots en masse on frontline as the only consistent xp method

or challenges

[real wedge]

it was easy to get like 2 or 3 level ups in one game if you didn't alt tab afk

[grizzled sparrow]

which are stupidly op and weird

[thorny yoke]

Like destroying rally costs 2k points
I can get the same amount by just killing 2-3 people
Or destroying enemy car once as engie

[grizzled sparrow]

no they got max over dxp weekend, starting from p8 or p9

[real wedge]

quick mags are silly in many ways
on the fal it's faster to normal reload with a quick mag than dropping the mag

[tame elbow]

Bruh

[barren hound]

also kill required is different for some guns

[tame elbow]

I think a magazine should only have a debuff if you go from something like a mag to a drum mag

[thorny yoke]

Yea yeah i covered allat in a seperate thread

[grizzled sparrow]

rather have these inconsistencies than the mess of a system we have now for attachment stats

[tame elbow]

Not from a normal mag to a quick mag or short mag

[thorny yoke]

Yall know how fucken stupid the mags are in this game

[real wedge]

if quick mags were a straigh up buff it could be considered an "unfair" advantage players that play the game more would have and you'd want to rush it instead of using different guns (not like there's a point in using a lot of weapons but still)

[barren hound]

true

can we get mag buffs and reworks

[thorny yoke]

3 extra bullets in mag? Whoops now you move as fast as support

[tame elbow]

Yeah

[thorny yoke]

https://discord.com/channels/303681520202285057/1173894704635580527

Been beggin for months

[barren hound]

i want to use drums and not feel like im using a scorpion for a mid range weapon

[thorn forge]

Calling it rn this thread is going to become the new inertia thread

[barren hound]

nothing will beat inertia thread

[thorny yoke]

True

[real wedge]

if anything a drum would make recoil easier to contril but w/e

[tame elbow]

Fuck it remove mags infinite ammo

Every weapon is now a belt fed

[real wedge]

it was obvious but you shouldn't've mentioned it

[tame elbow]

Belt fed glock

[thorn forge]

[real wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/mgs2-solid-snake-metal-gear-solid2-metal-gear-solid-mgs-gif-27578347

[thorny yoke]

There isnt even much vitriol here just agreeing that game is not going in good direction

Aint reaching inertia thread levels

[barren hound]

the vitrol comes when the convo derails and someone brings their opinion on another matter

[real wedge]

these are like general discussion places but for people that actually care and play the game (except for SOME people)

[barren hound]

(it happenjs in every fucking thread)

and im mostly the source of it(i bring support to the convo somewhat)

[tame elbow]

Your opinion is trash, 1v1 me no shirt

[thorny yoke]

Im sleepin well knowing it wont be like that here

[barren hound]

come and fight my 20% accuracy

[tame elbow]

i have 13% acc

Get on my level

[patent pumice]

I wonder how many threads like this we need to unanimously support to get oki to listen

[real wedge]

inertia thread was fun, it also revealed that many people have NO FUCKING CLUE about what they're talking about

[tame elbow]

Good ole pipebomb

[barren hound]

for what i see it really need to do numbers

[tame elbow]

Meow

[barren hound]

and be a like inertia

[thorn forge]

Still people in this thread calling snipers overpowered

[patent pumice]

I dont think that pipe bombing Oki's residence is a rational response.

[barren hound]

i can only think of the lmgs bullet velocity buff that was randomly added

and a good one at that

[tame elbow]

Nobody said it needed to be rational

[barren hound]

bc of a suggestion

[tame elbow]

Actually i hate that i have to say this but dont fucking mail a pipebomb its a fucking joke

[cosmic rapids]

It is wdym

[thorn forge]

Dear federal agents monitoring this chat section i have no affiliation with the people here and claim no responsibility for their actions

[tame elbow]

wym you gave me the idea

[real wedge]

fucking jfif file format

[thorn forge]

Literally me

[tame elbow]

i ahte when websites change typical jpg/png formats to some weird shit nobody else uses

[barren hound]

https://tenor.com/view/federal-investigation-gif-22271245

[real wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/yap-expansion-gojo-domain-expansion-ryoiki-tenkai-gif-8954021360802172436

[thorn forge]

Downloads from Google
.Webp

[real wedge]

it would just be a suggestion ^_^

[barren hound]

make a new thread about it

[cosmic rapids]

[barren hound]

see how many checkmarks we get

[real wedge]

post it as a "sticker" not an emoji

[tame elbow]

Love downloading an image from google just so my image viewer (windows default) can't open it because its a webp

I also love installing 3rd party image programs to open them 10/10

[tame elbow]

webp gifs are the worst

[thorny yoke]

"Petition to mail a pipebomb to Okis household
500 signatures and it will be done"

[real wedge]

500? I'll do it for free

[tame elbow]

1 signature needed

And that's mine because i have access to a military drone

Do not ask how i got it

Found it in the desert

[real wedge]

did you find it in the desert perhaps?

[tame elbow]

No

In a dessert

Kind egg reward

[real wedge]

no wonder they're banned in the us

[thorny yoke]

We should have 500 signatures to make sure that majority is on board

More the merrier

[real wedge]

me when bbr update in april 2024

[thorny yoke]

Besides whats oki gonna do? Stopp 500 people from sending bombs to his house?

[tame elbow]

BBR playerbase in ICU

[thorn forge]

Kept alive with the copious amounts of copium fed to them

[thorny yoke]

God bless the man who posted this

[topaz niche]

What does it say

[thorny yoke]

In #community-bbr-media

[thorn forge]

Theres one in patreon backers thats also very funny lemme find it

[thorny yoke]

Tmrw

[real wedge]

you guys have no idea how much self control it's been taking to not post another inertia thread for the last 3 months

[tame elbow]

https://tenor.com/bqGyl.gif

[barren hound]

if only i could trow money at nitro to post silly stuff like that

[barren hound]

fuck the chat moved and i was respond to a old message

and they still get it

[topaz niche]

When will you be normal again

[thorn forge]

End of this week

(tbd)

[barren hound]

https://tenor.com/view/hypnotised-nitro-meme-discord-gif-20955848

[topaz niche]

Ong

[real wedge]

this sticker brainrot is irrecoverable

[thorny yoke]

Thank fuck its curable

[topaz niche]

From bat man to man..

[tame elbow]

Baldman

[real wedge]

"why hasn't oki released the update date, is he stupid?"

are the healthbars confirmed or nah?

[patent pumice]

They are confirmed

[real wedge]

christ

battlebit has fallen

[barren hound]

that one im skeptical but if i can turn it off im cool

[patent pumice]

You can turn it off

[barren hound]

mf

[patent pumice]

The big problem with it though is that the existence of health bars implies the ttk will be increased so much that they will be needed.

[barren hound]

idk why addint health bars atll

[barren hound]

thats a good point actually

[real wedge]

so what's the point of adding it?
almost everyone is going to turn them off and new players will be "scared off" by them

[barren hound]

watch as the first week it will have the 3d spotting problem where you can see trough smoke and foliage

[grizzled sparrow]

i'd keep them on

tbh

[grizzled sparrow]

just to see if this ends up happening

[patent pumice]

ttk is being increased so they will probably end up being helpful

[real wedge]

increasing ttk was discussed in the inertia thread but it would be funny to see it added and then things to happen as they were predicted with it

[barren hound]

i see it silly but if you can customise your own i honestly dont care

[real wedge]

oh, HAHAHA

[real wedge]

it will dw

[barren hound]

distance damage changes looks like a good ideia honestly

[patent pumice]

"LMGs can counter snipe a sniper"

[barren hound]

depending where

really broad statement

[real wedge]

an lmg that fires the same bullet as a rifle which fires the same bullet as a sniper should magically shoot totally differently because fuck you

[thorn forge]

When the sniper is sniping below 100 meters standing still in the open that would be true

[barren hound]

better one would be like 50-100 meters a lmg counters a sniper

[grizzled sparrow]

not like all the impactful fights in a match take place in cqc anyway

[barren hound]

but as in now everyone does if the sniper miss the first shot

[patent pumice]

Thats the thing it's trying to change thouhg

[real wedge]

snipers should know their fucking place

[patent pumice]

Its trying to make long range fights more viable

[barren hound]

true

[grizzled sparrow]

so damage ranges will be increased?

[barren hound]

recoil 20% reduction too

[real wedge]

they already are, just single fire and since snipers can't aim for shit you can kill them lol

[grizzled sparrow]

in ads

[barren hound]

still it helps a shit ton for long ranges

[real wedge]

now THAT will make guns "lasers"

[thorn forge]

I fucking hate the flat plains of multisland getting shot at by snipers dmrs and shit with nowhere to hide

[barren hound]

specially with 4x scopes

[patent pumice]

Damage will be decreased but recoil will be buffed to make it viable to use medium range scope on ARs.

[tame elbow]

Can get hard cap smgs at 50 meters

[patent pumice]

They already pretty much are

[tame elbow]

Sometimes it doesnt feel like

[patent pumice]

Thats caused by delusion

[tame elbow]

You right i forgot my adhd meds

[patent pumice]

I think smgs falloff ends are all around 50 meters

[real wedge]

"feedback will not be listened to" - vilaskis
for the purposes of not getting warned for this again this is a joke

[tame elbow]

Proceeds to make shit maps

New basra

[barren hound]

honestly most problems with cqc come for the maps itself

[real wedge]

I legit quit matches if certain maps are picked

[patent pumice]

nvm they're all 140-150

[tame elbow]

Same

[patent pumice]

New Basra

I think i've played it once or twice

Never again

[thorn forge]

Really hope the new peaks map wouldn't just be another dustydew

[tame elbow]

^^^

[real wedge]

he doesn't know

[barren hound]

namak holds such a place on my heart

[tame elbow]

new dusty is so fkn annoying too

^

Namak and Tensa are the best maps imo

[barren hound]

only time where playing defensive and building fucking does something

[tame elbow]

256 matches on namak are pure crack

[patent pumice]

"vertical gameplay"

[real wedge]

tensa has too manu corners and hidey holes but it's still fun

[barren hound]

watching me getting 2k xp for destroying grenades while seeing my barbed wire do work is so fucking good man

[patent pumice]

Imagine if he actually did vertical gameplay by making a highrise / vertigo type map

[thorn forge]

I like construction

[real wedge]

stairs get blown up
heh, not my problem

[barren hound]

we need more gadgets for movement

[tame elbow]

Construction fucking sucks imo

[barren hound]

who here said to make a zip line

[real wedge]

except for the long sightlines on the sides

[real wedge]

we need inertia

[thorn forge]

Construction is pretty fun jumping from building to building and floors quickscoping clueless people

[thorn forge]

Until one side gets overwhelmed and it becomes a spawn shooting contest

[real wedge]

or until all staircases get blown up and you can barely move (it's not hard to make some indestructible)

[topaz niche]

OK ISLANDER
or
OKI SLANDER

the world shall never know

[tame elbow]

https://tenor.com/I0sW.gif

[real wedge]

I'm getting flashbacks from the inertia thread

[tame elbow]

It should not

Where's the fun when you can "master" anything within the moment

[real wedge]

almost like the point of the scorpion is too have extreme firerate and extreme recoil

[real wedge]

the point isn't fun but pandering to the lowest common denominator

[pearl dragon]

average fps players when they have to pull the mouse 3cm down while shooting

[tame elbow]

https://tenor.com/u85gNeXfgzA.gif

[real wedge]

average fps players when the gun in the shooter has recoil
or
average person when something requires the tiniest amount of skill and attention

[pearl dragon]

it's impossible

I can only shift+w key and click mouse button

when are we getting recoil removed and all weapons just bloom?

[grizzled sparrow]

that would be noob friendly and a great idea

nerf the sweats!

#1170730270492721253 message

[thorn forge]

Auto-battle

[tame elbow]

Noob-ifying this game is gonna kill it even more

[cosmic rapids]

Next update

[real wedge]

remove flanking
also that one moment in a dev stream when oki came behind 3 guys and killed them all with a pistol and they didn't react

[tame elbow]

> This is too op so im removing it

[real wedge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2LJlN4cgSg

[topaz niche]

youre banned

[real wedge]

it showed like that video blank linked that most players are absolutely awful and are probably playing without half their fingers but we should listen to them because we lost 60k players due to flanking or smn

[tame elbow]

kek

sometimes i dont react to shit because im not even listening to the game

[patent pumice]

Surely its the games fault they didnt react. They didnt have enough sound feedback!

[tame elbow]

Volume is like 10 and music is playing over it

[grizzled sparrow]

music ? in battlebit?

[tame elbow]

But this is very true, even the simplest thing can look op when you play vs bots basically

[patent pumice]

#community-bbr-media message

[real wedge]

it's the fault of the sweats that also drove away 600 thousand players that played during the release wekk or smn

[thorn forge]

Sweats ruined Minecraft

[real wedge]

disgusting lean and crouch spammer
typical low skill behaviour

[tame elbow]

Im so glad lean spamming is gone

[grizzled sparrow]

@granite forge sweats ruined the game, we need more sound feedback in battlebit to show new players that there is someone behind them!

[grizzled sparrow]

i miss it

all you had to do to counter it was aim center mass

[tame elbow]

Mojang puts more effort into a tweet than what to add to the new update

[real wedge]

too much work for new players

[tame elbow]

"Here, choose between the new mobs that absolutely do NOTHING but yo ustill have to choose one and only one because we're too lazy to add all three"

[topaz niche]

this is a funny clip

[real wedge]

who gives a shit when mods exist

1.7.2 best version

[tame elbow]

True

[steep tide]

Fr this guy is so fucking bad and looser

[tame elbow]

Modders literally keeping the game alive

[steep tide]

I hate this stupid guy

[thorn forge]

We need a radar which will beep like when you get missile locked whenever someone aims at you real

[tame elbow]

Im currently playing a modpack

[real wedge]

is that your clip?
did I hurt your feelings/

[steep tide]

Hurt me ?

Like what ?

[real wedge]

soft wall and aim hacks for new players that go away with leveling

[patent pumice]

A clip that Oki will selectively ignore, and then proceed to cherry pick his next “op movement sweat” clip to show what the game is always like.

[topaz niche]

i love cherry picking

especially the tastiest cherries

[steep tide]

Im just saying the guy is stupid

[real wedge]

cherry update when?

[topaz niche]

and then you can make popsicles

[steep tide]

Anyway

Update

[topaz niche]

but dont chew the cherry seeds they have heroin in them

[thorn forge]

Cherry blossoms

[real wedge]

I wish they did

[steep tide]

The sex update

[tawny fern]

Lmfao, we got 8 fricking staff here LMFAO

[thorn forge]

Skull emoji

[patent pumice]

Those are apples stupid

[tawny fern]

They mad af from my guess

[real wedge]

?

[thorn forge]

Battlebit police state

[topaz niche]

what are you now, an appletologist?

[real wedge]

apple seeds have cyanide

[patent pumice]

Its cause someone used emergency mod ping

[real wedge]

skill issue

[patent pumice]

and cioi got banned

[tawny fern]

Wait who?

[patent pumice]

No I just know a fact about apples

[grizzled sparrow]

the guy who typed literal essays

[real wedge]

no one important

[patent pumice]

@cioi

[tawny fern]

OMFG here comes the ban waves. Seems they hate the people speaking about it.

[topaz niche]

i have the video they got banned for

[tawny fern]

Send pls

[real wedge]

why tf did you save that shit?

[grizzled sparrow]

#1180268723416866936 message

look at this shit

its good that hes gone

this guy had 0 original thoughts

[patent pumice]

He posted nsfw

[topaz niche]

to send to my brother

[grizzled sparrow]

every single message he typed included a reference to another game

[tawny fern]

Oh thats why? Nvm then get the guy outta here 🗿

[grizzled sparrow]

i dont even care about what he posted that got him banned unless it was about the game

[topaz niche]

check dm

[tame elbow]

Love the image

[thorn forge]

Wtf now im interested @topaz niche

[topaz niche]

check dm

[tawny fern]

Its good he is gone

[steep tide]

This guy finally leave this discord

[grizzled sparrow]

he got banned

idiot

[steep tide]

[grizzled sparrow]

🙂

[topaz niche]

who else do we want banned that isn't

[grizzled sparrow]

dont really care

[real wedge]

oki

[grizzled sparrow]

a take on bbr is a take on bbr

just let it be original

[steep tide]

Me

Ban me

[grizzled sparrow]

or at least decent if it piggybacks off other games

[steep tide]

Me me

[topaz niche]

eco no

i love you too much to be ban

[real wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-horrors-beyond-our-comprehension-low-tier-god-mods-banned-gif-8530537273735940092

[tawny fern]

https://tenor.com/view/mods-police-car-discord-mod-gif-11010876669040436105

https://tenor.com/view/mods-skin-him-discord-mod-mod-skin-him-cube-runners-is-cool-gif-12693754404042415707

Ez

[tawny fern]

@high elbow

[hasty elm]

Bleeding does nothing to slowdown the game.

[real wedge]

💀

[real wedge]

you totally don't need to bandage your bleeds and can just keep running with them

[hasty elm]

Bro it takes 4 seconds to stop bleeding, while you are stopping it you are running at max speed with only penalty being you not shooting back for 4 seconds

[grizzled sparrow]

exactly

i get bleed and i start diving

🤷‍♂️

[hasty elm]

At most you have 40 seconds to stop bleeding

[real wedge]

you're running into gunfire are you?
and you're dodging it because there isn't inertia? lol

[patent pumice]

Have you seen how new players play the game?

Bleed definitely slows them down

[hasty elm]

If you are stopping because you are taking damage, that isnt bleeding slowing it down for you, its the fact that you are gonna die to damage

[hasty elm]

Literally anything slows them down 🗿

[real wedge]

no, you stop because you're bleeding so that you stop the bleed and can heal
and people die when they are killed?

[hasty elm]

Why would you need to stop? Just move around buildings while you are bandaging and you dont have to stop

[patent pumice]

I have died to bleed many times, I have stopped to find cover to heal myself from bleeding many times. Bleed definitely has slowed me down before

[real wedge]

"if you are stopping because of bleeding that isn't bleeding slowing you down it's the fact that you are bleeding"

[patent pumice]

Not sure how common it is though

[barren hound]

the ony situation i can think of is fighting snipers on a openfield

better to heal than to risk getting shot with less than half health

[real wedge]

because unlike you I'm in the middle of battle and there are twnety opponents on every side and I can't move or I'd get shot

[grizzled sparrow]

then just bandage while prone in a pile of corpses

that's what i do

or keep moving

both work

🤷‍♂️

[barren hound]

run trough the enemy while healing

[real wedge]

"just dodge the bullets if you're getting shot lol"

[barren hound]

show who is boss

[patent pumice]

Bandaging means you stop shooting. You have to bandage or else you will die to bleed. You can either choose to run while you bandage or stay in cover, or most often, run to cover while bandaging.

[real wedge]

like this? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1170730270492721253/1182328596979798076/2023-12-07_17-30-45.mp4?ex=662917d0&is=6627c650&hm=95c8a0ef92bcd68e905180bcea09707668b45f0e16c6eb703fb76dde7312fc24&

[barren hound]

literally

[hasty elm]

You are in middle of battle with people around, you are not stopping because of bleeding, you are stopping because you are lower health with people around

[barren hound]

i mean if you are bandaging bleed you are basically close to getting one shot

[grizzled sparrow]

bro this is that stupid oki clip

[real wedge]

yes I fucking am, if I didn't STOP to bandage I'd die to the bleed how can you be this dense?

[hasty elm]

If bleeding wasnt a thing you would do the same thing

[real wedge]

and I'd stop for less time because bleeding slows you down

[patent pumice]

Hes not listening

[barren hound]

idk how addind debuffs to bleed would work at the end of the day

[barren hound]

atleast if it was kept at the same treshold

[thorn forge]

who is this guy he seems pretty based

[tawny fern]

Fr

[thorn forge]

[tawny fern]

... Do it right

LMFAO

Deleted

[real wedge]

clueless

shove your nitro up your ass

[tawny fern]

Lol

Mad?

[real wedge]

I'd rather burn my money than give it to discord

[barren hound]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/582031909673238528/1049424577501073508/sillycat.gif

[real wedge]

trvth nvke

[hasty elm]

Bleeding doesnt slow you down, all it does is make you bandage, which takes 4 seconds, while you are capable of moving around at max speed

[tawny fern]

So true

So bs excuse from devs to remove it

[real wedge]

"being slowed down doesn't slow you down because you can move"

[high elbow]

what's up

[real wedge]

you admitted that bleeding slows you down

you're contradicting yourself in your own post

[tawny fern]

Only from shooting lmfao

[barren hound]

alot of excuses were bs honestly

[tawny fern]

From devs, yes?

[barren hound]

ye

[patent pumice]

bleed doesnt slow your running speed down at all

[tawny fern]

fr

[patent pumice]

neither does bandaging

[tawny fern]

The political leader speaking facts

[grizzled sparrow]

@real wedge the only time bleeding slows someone down is if they bandage, as in they cannot shoot their gun so their average shots fired per minute goes down. while they bandage they can still run full speed

[barren hound]

i would say bleed is more of a distraction than a slow down effect

[tawny fern]

Fr

[grizzled sparrow]

this

[tawny fern]

It is a survival instinct my guy

[grizzled sparrow]

i also bleed instinctively when i take damage irl

[patent pumice]

Bleeding has absolutely made me stop on a flank and hide somewhere to bandage

This is undeniable

[real wedge]

no bleed
i heal in half a second and continue running/shooting
bleed
i bandage then heal in 1.5seconds
I am thus not slowed down by bleeding

[patent pumice]

And it happens pretty often too

[barren hound]

ok but still makes you be more into removing the ketchup effect from your screen than shooting the enemy

[grizzled sparrow]

you can run while bandaging

2 bandages on any other class besides medic

[tawny fern]

Then get good at hitting shots and dodging bullets

[real wedge]

are you going to run towards enemies while bandaging or are you going to step into cover to bandage and heal first?

bleeding adds an extra step and puts you on a timer that you need to deal with

[grizzled sparrow]

i run towards enemies and then switch to c4 after done bandaging

or i don't bandage, and go for the kills instead

[real wedge]

you're on low hp and can't be healed while bleeding

[tawny fern]

Depends which person you are. You sound like the type of guy to run into enemies while healing and then scream MEDDICCCCCCCCC!

[grizzled sparrow]

because i have lots of time to bandage even after the kills

[tawny fern]

Same here

[real wedge]

projecting much?

[grizzled sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOg-VoGonec

[barren hound]

you all definetly havent lived more than 4 firefights to have the dread of being with 0 bandages and there is no medics or competent supports around

[tawny fern]

Im more of a duck and cover while lighting the fuck out of enemies. You should try it too

[real wedge]

and after the kills you're slowed down because running in the open while bandaging is not a good idea

[grizzled sparrow]

no

i'm not slowed down, i still stay moving within the enemy line

[tawny fern]

Fr, bro blasting away

[grizzled sparrow]

bleed never stopped me from getting 200

[barren hound]

when being good at killing and surviving is basically fucking you over if you dont have an ammo box or heaing lmao

[grizzled sparrow]

most of my 20 man multis were with bleed tbh

[barren hound]

i remember playing as engineer for a challenge, got shot and bleeding with 0 bandages from the previous fights and reviving teammates

[tawny fern]

The Crazier666 guy shut his mouth just as the video went up LMFAO

[real wedge]

you run towards enemies with no gun in hand and in one shot territory?

[tawny fern]

There he is from his cave

[barren hound]

i ran around asking for healing and found a support that had to be a new player

[grizzled sparrow]

yes

i do that and they don't notice

[real wedge]

and? maybe I was watching it?

[grizzled sparrow]

because the average player is an idiot

[grizzled sparrow]

he probs was watching it

[tawny fern]

Fr. Agreed

Imma hop on bbr rn

[grizzled sparrow]

literally me running into them with bleed

is equal to invisibility glitch

even on waki bridge

[tawny fern]

Mhm

[tawny fern]

And Mhm

[thorn forge]

ok cheater

banned

[real wedge]

so based on anecdotal evidence bleed doesn't do anything because you made a montage

you're like ox1gen

[grizzled sparrow]

not that it doesn't do anything, it just gives me a timer from which i start diving into the enemy

[cosmic rapids]

[grizzled sparrow]

if anything it speeds me up

[real wedge]

oki will ban you for abusing suicide mechanic or w/e

again anecdotal evidence

[barren hound]

tbh the average bridge player on waki wont have the sense of awareness to realise there is enemies behind them

[grizzled sparrow]

been there done that he did nothing and we got suicide penalty added to the game

[real wedge]

don't make me think about that I like my blood pressure normal

[grizzled sparrow]

i was in front of them in those clips

bleed serves as a psychological weapon for the noobs

[cosmic rapids]

Cringe

[grizzled sparrow]

THOSE guys are the ones that are slowed by bleed

[real wedge]

same difference, they wouldn't notice if you told them

[grizzled sparrow]

a normal person would run away and bandage

at full speed

[barren hound]

suicide c4 but more effective you know you are dead already might aswell kill half of the server

[real wedge]

so they would retreat thus being slowed down, thank you for proving my point

[grizzled sparrow]

hmm

[barren hound]

that seems more like a player choice than the mechanic forcing to do it

you can just say fuck all and keep moving foward

[hasty elm]

[grizzled sparrow]

so true

[real wedge]

that wasn't a compliment

[patent pumice]

Thats a far more risky decision though, thats kinda the point

[hasty elm]

more me is better

[barren hound]

but though if you were getting shot by 2 people you would take cover no matter what

[real wedge]

decision
exactly, it forces the player to think, which is good

[barren hound]

if i got shot by a sniper 200m away bleed isnt making me take cover

is the sniper itself

[hasty elm]

Max 40 seconds to think when to use a bandage, that 4 seconds i said previously includes everything from putting down your weapon to pulling out your weapon, so after 4 seconds, you are able to shoot back

[real wedge]

so bandages slow you down
thanks for proving my point again

[hasty elm]

Pure bandaging time is like 2.8 seconds, rest is just animation fumbling

[barren hound]

in the sense of kills per second, taking that of being unable to shoot for 4 seconds, yeah that slows down on that departament

[cosmic rapids]

Least schizo bbr thread

[hasty elm]

Blud thinks 4 seconds of not shooting slows down the game 💀

[barren hound]

thats the only reason i can think of that slows you down

[real wedge]

kills per second
don't bring that up

[barren hound]

i mean you are the one bringing bleed slowing you down

[real wedge]

"a slowdown doesn't slow you dwon because uuhhhhh it;s short skullemoji"

[barren hound]

just showed what it actually slows down

[hasty elm]

You could also ignore bleeding for like 37 seconds and go rambo, until bandaging 🗿

[cosmic rapids]

Kills per minute

Checkmate fucker

[real wedge]

same difference just don't

[barren hound]

i hate the fact i wasted my teens on fighting games like for honor instead of being good at shooting games

[grizzled sparrow]

im not even good LMAOOO

battlebit is incredibly free

[barren hound]

now i just playing shit ass % based gameplay!!!

[real wedge]

wasting your time on ubi mp games is just bad in general

[grizzled sparrow]

thats why even i could make videos with it

[barren hound]

I LOVE MISSING 90% AND DYING

[real wedge]

skill issue

fix it

[barren hound]

more that my aimings goes alot more towards tracking, like tell me to do a flick like that and i do a 180 by accident

[cosmic rapids]

Ok

Now 180 off a building

[barren hound]

always prefered to be a backliner even in for honor as a support character

[grizzled sparrow]

LMAOO

[hasty elm]

You aren't able to shoot for 4 seconds, reloading is almost on par with reloading bleeding

[real wedge]

irrelevant analogy

[grizzled sparrow]

just dont play competitive games! complain about sweats and move back to modded minecraft

[cosmic rapids]

[real wedge]

sbmm ruined mp games nothing else

[grizzled sparrow]

so we need modded minecraft!!

bbr

[hasty elm]

It is a comparison, but ig your ass would fail one of these so I shouldn't expect you to understand that

[grizzled sparrow]

sweats in bbr

[barren hound]

im literally unable to sweat in bbr

[real wedge]

projection

[barren hound]

i dont even know who is winning until the big fucking message appears that we are winning

and then i forget about it

[real wedge]

same

[barren hound]

totally my fault yeah

i should get better luck

kill myself when i dont get to be born to a rich family so i can get better odds

[grizzled sparrow]

thats pretty realistic

we should add that to bbr

[real wedge]

admiring the grindset

[grizzled sparrow]

wait thats the method

[barren hound]

get a fork and put in outlet the moment you get home after leaving the hospital

now wonder we have to put protection on everything

babies are doing a any % speedrun

[frigid geode]

Bandages do be slowing me down

I like bleed

[tawny fern]

Ah, larry is here

Seems the slandering is getting the team here?

"BBR discord members carefully slandering Okis ability to use a brain because of an update that isn't even out (based)"

-OxONEgen

[zealous egret]

[hasty elm]

A true scholar that OxONEgen fellow is

[hollow inlet]

I believe I summoned him once lol

[real wedge]

he's right we shouldn't critique any changes or provide feedback especially if there are some that will ruin the fun for a lot of people, we should just take it on the chin and never complain and then wonder why people quit

[plain lava]

That's how we got Oki to finally say something in en general last time

[tawny fern]

Ping me in the message

[plain lava]

Dev harassment is against the rules until it isn't and even then all it did was reveal how fucked the patch was

I'll dig for it, but it was almost two weeks ago now

[rigid dove]

Well a lot of that was airborne inertia to my knowledge

[hollow inlet]

IDEA

we start asking oki really mundane questions

nono

we start assuming his mundane preferences

Like, I bet Oki's the type of guy to really get less cheese on a cheese pizza

Oki seems like the type of guy that just snaps a banana in half to open it

Oki probs eats his steak well

I will accept this libel as truth

[real wedge]

this is better @hollow inlet

[thorn forge]

Thats pretty based

[onyx ore]

dawg this thread is still going 💀

what no battlebit update does to a mf

[turbid nebula]

If they really wanted to slow things down, they could have made it so that you can't move or cancel while bandaging 👿

[grizzled sparrow]

please do not give them ideas

[tawny fern]

LMFAO

[tawny fern]

The second you posted this, you got involved 💀

[tawny fern]

Fr

[barren hound]

https://tenor.com/view/federal-investigation-gif-22271245

[tawny fern]

Anti Oki Activist prevention team? Seems that there is a new PMC enlisted to defend Oki?

[honest igloo]

PMC xd

[heady jetty]

someone pinged all mods

that would in fact bring mods into the chat

[tawny fern]

Which bozo did that?!

@umbral bison Nice reacts bro

[umbral bison]

???

[tawny fern]

You reacted and removed them from the emoji's

[umbral bison]

I was just bored and wanted to press the buttons

I may be a simpleton

._.

[tawny fern]

Same, thats why I threw in another word in the emoji reacts. Also cause ppl be talking about it too

Whyd they remove the warning roles they had long ago! They left us with the Forced PTT role!

[barren hound]

Some guy posted p orn and they pinged emergecy mod

[tawny fern]

Oml. Screw whoever that was. I wonder if there will ever be a thread that has NO mods in it?

[heady jetty]

the one where people don't post shit in it

[cunning mesa]

I find it to be rather important, actually.
It forces you to make better tactical decisions, or face bleed out when you run out of bandages.
The only thing that gets annoying about it is when you're a medic.
Patching yourself AND others up while bleeding takes a hell of a long time mid-firefight, and you're a medic so it's not a matter of bandage supply.

TBH, I'd prefer if medics bandaging to stop bleed were nigh-instant, BUT didn't heal the medic himself (so he'd have to heal the full amount).
From there, healing could be doubled in speed to compensate (and help him heal someone to full before they can waste a bandage, which happens ALL THE DAMNED TIME when I go support medic).

longer TTK and more damage fall off sound like horrible ideas.
Especially more damage drop on the weapons that already under-perform in their roles at range due to this (deagle, scar, ak15).

If they do go this route (and I REALLY hope they don't!), medics healing should also resupply non-medic classes with bandages.

10000% agree!
The mags are what keep me coming back to BBR.

[old nexus]

ak15 underperforms at range?

[thorny yoke]

Man clearly never tapfired with battle rifles

[signal moss]

tap fire in bbr is almost useless

[thorny yoke]

Clearly never used a battle rifle

[old nexus]

on the BRs its very usable

[cunning mesa]

It's mostly designed for longer ranges, no?

[old nexus]

define longer ranges

[cunning mesa]

Because I can literally out-gun an AK15 user at 50-120m by kitting out a stability PP19 and literally just HOLDING the trigger

[old nexus]

skill issue on that users part

SMGs already do very little damage over long range

[cunning mesa]

It's simple math
Let's call it 75m.

PP19 TTK at that range can have ~30% accuracy and can kill in under 1 second with just chest shots.

AK-15 has to take a MINIMUM of a 0.4s delay between each shot.

So unless you're a literal twitch reaction top 0.1% god with your aim or you're up against a total fuckwit with the PP19, the AK15 is getting DUNKED.

[hollow inlet]

Does the AK have a higher headshot multiplier? what about armor damage?

I know armor basically makes first encounters a nightmare for smgs

[old nexus]

where did i put the ttk sheet.......

[cunning mesa]

Armor generally buys you an extra shot, even against a head+body followup.

[old nexus]

i keep forgetting the link

[hollow inlet]

Don't worry, I ain't readin' all that

TTK is in an ideal scenario and in a bubble. There's a lot of extra stuff like horizontal recoil, damage falloff, etc

So if we consider all that, the AK15 still has a harder time lmao

[old nexus]

you are yapping

[hollow inlet]

Joking aside

[cunning mesa]

Someone's never used a pp19 accuracy setup with a 4x optic.

You can lead-finger the thing and MELT an EXO suit in under 1 second with around half a mag

[old nexus]

the ak15 literally gives of 9 shots per second

[hollow inlet]

I'm pretty sure the AK15 beats the PP19 at most ranges

[old nexus]

540rpm is 9 shots per second

[hollow inlet]

the pp19 is like the worst smg lol

[cunning mesa]

only one will hit, if you don't stop firing for long enough to reset the recoil bloom

[hollow inlet]

?

[old nexus]

there is no recoil bloom

wat

[hollow inlet]

I think he just means recoil in general

Yea there's no spread increase/bloom

There can be bullet deviation tho, but it's so minor it doesn't matter

That's my understanding anyway

why stop firing when you can just move your mouse down 😎

[old nexus]

you can literally hit shots over 300m accurately with SMGs

[hollow inlet]

yup

[old nexus]

(i tried sniping with the UMP)

[hollow inlet]

I like the gun balance currently, hopefully attachments get a second pass soon

[old nexus]

gun balance rn is good

[hollow inlet]

I feel like they just need a liiiiittle tiny bit of tweaking to be perfect

[cunning mesa]

There's 0 deviation on the first shot, with increased deviation on follow-ups.
There's a cap to it, so it's not drastic, but it's enough to make full-autoing a high recoil gun like the BRs incapable of just buzzing down someone at max fire rate 100m away

[hollow inlet]

it really is everything except the guns that's affecting gun balance

[old nexus]

ak15 is also fine because of the 2 shot potential

[hollow inlet]

I think that's just horizontal recoil my guy

but I'm willing to be wrong, not like I've tested it

[thorn forge]

Horizontal recoil 😴

[old nexus]

there is no deviation it is all recoil

[cunning mesa]

That's what I thought as well, but I recently got to see that theory disproven while I was ADS during a mission end and got to see it in slow-mo with inhuman reflexes for recoil compensation (thanks to the time dilation)./

[hollow inlet]

I know the sights don't 100% line up all of the time, so it might feel like it's deviation

Best way to test it would just be to go into the practice range and use a macro or something to reduce the recoil enough to be near pinpoint accurate

[cunning mesa]

Wow, that really shouldn't be possible with modern optics. So Oki fucked up the optics too?

[hollow inlet]

It's a video game man

Visual recoil and all that

Visual recoil is when the recoil animations don't line up with where the bullets are going

BF4 actually had REALLY bad visual recoil at launch

it's why the center of the sights in that game literally don't move now

[thorn forge]

[old nexus]

the weapon balance is pretty spot on (ignoring the DMRs/snipers)

dont know why anyone would complain

[patent pumice]

There is a very slight amount of deviation that becomes more obvious while hipfiring

But it's unnoticeable for the most part

[hollow inlet]

Yea there's some deviation, but it's so barely there that it doesn't matter

[old nexus]

i thought the deviation only happens when hip firing

maybe im wrong tho

[patent pumice]

I dont believe so

[cunning mesa]

At what ranges?
In my experience, 0-35m is where it won't make much difference.

[hollow inlet]

It might only happen when hip firing? Not sure, tbh if it doesn't affect you it doesn't matter 😂

it doesn't make any diff up to like 200 m imo

but then again I don't full auto usually at 200m lmao

[thorn forge]

Buff recon

[hollow inlet]

(this is an exagerration)

[hasty elm]

Buff dmr

[patent pumice]

At all ranges. You're probably experiencing horizontal recoil in combination with visual recoil of medium scopes making it seem like the bullets are hitting somewhere that's not your crosshair.

[cunning mesa]

It's best not to even 2x burst (let alone full-auto) at +50m ranges with a BR.

[hollow inlet]

It literally is everything around guns that's affecting gun balance atm. Sniper trails, armor, healing balance, bandages, etc

[hollow inlet]

Idk I can hit pretty alright depending on the gun

SG is basically a laser

I'm saying I don't really have any issues because of it literally ever

[cunning mesa]

I think you've misunderstood what I was saying by that.

I know there's deviation at all ranges, I'm saying at what ranges does the deviation cause a miss even if you aimed the gun dead center. (which I find to be about 35m or so)

At 1m, who cares if the round hits 1mm to the left of his nose ridge?

But at 40m, I care if the round hits 0.25 meters to his left and misses the head entirely.

[hollow inlet]

I don't think it's the deviation tbh

unless someone thoroughly tests this, it's just he said she said with this sort of thing. So 🤷

[patent pumice]

I know what you meant. Im saying that i havent noticed it at any range, definitely not at 35m

[hollow inlet]

same

[patent pumice]

It would have to be hundreds of meters out for it to be noticeable, so youre probably talking about another effect

[cunning mesa]

SG is an AR, not a BR.
BR options are:
SCAR
AK15
FAL
G3

[hollow inlet]

Yea no, for BR's it's defo just recoil

they have very high horizontal which is basically rng deviation in a sense

[cunning mesa]

Still, i've gone up against some GOOD aim enemies in a match and utterly PLASTERED them with the PP19.
It's literally THE most accurate gun in the game, with the right attachments.

[patent pumice]

Are you talking about tap firing or spraying?

[cunning mesa]

Literally don't have to let up off the trigger.

And flinch makes return fire virtually impossible for them.

Hold up, i'll hop in the range and make avideo to show what I mean.

[hollow inlet]

yea I walked about 35-40 meters from a wall and shot at it in the training range, deviation ain't gonna affect you within that range. I'll try a BR

at this range the pp19 is still a laser (shooting at the window)

at the same range the G3 doesn't have noticiable deviation either, it seems to just be horizontal? I built both guns with the horizontal recoil decreasing attachments

yea I'm not noticing anything crazy personally

[patent pumice]

Im testing the FAL which has 75 accuracy at 250 meters currently and its not deviating at all that i can tell

[hollow inlet]

that distance is about 80+ meters?

in my pic I mean, so like you're fine

yea I don't think there's deviation that's substantial. It'd probably only affect you at like 200+ meters

and at 100+ it's the bullet travel time that'll probably make you miss along with the recoil

hip firing I think I can see it

I have tested this enough to say: "I don't believe you 🤓 "

[patent pumice]

It doesnt even exist at 500 meters

Hipfire has noticeable innacuracy starting as close at 20 meters on the fal

[hollow inlet]

I tested it at full auto personally

But even still

[thorny yoke]

Yall do realise accuracy doesnt work for like
90% of guns

Vector and like few other guns

But yall gotta check that

[hollow inlet]

Look, we know

But the guy was sayin' diff

so we had to extra be right

[heady jetty]

Pretty sure there's some first shot shennanigans going on

but obv that makes testing just not worth it

[hollow inlet]

I did full auto on some guns and there really was barely anything noticeable below 200m if anything

ADS ofc

[heady jetty]

tested w/ a laser?

I know hipfire follows the barrel for like, point shooting, does that play into it at all

[patent pumice]

Tested by aiming at a target dummy in ads and un-adsing before shooting at it

[heady jetty]

yea I wouldn't trust that, I think it's just a case of point shooting

try it with a laser and I bet it'll reach that 50 meter mark and more, just as long as you can make out the laser in hipfire

[patent pumice]

it still happens with a laser at the same distances

[heady jetty]

wild

[patent pumice]

I wasnt using a laser because i wanted the range finder

but yeah even at 10 meters it misses the dummy's head sometimes

[heady jetty]

yea trying it myself

that feels weird

so do they have different stats or what

that implies that accuracy could actually be a stat messed with

[pearl dragon]

• grenade and drone indicators. Grenade indicators are fine honestly. If they made more sound cues, I would think indicators are overkill but how they are currently I'm cool with it. Drone indicators tho, I've never had any issue hearing a drone. Maybe he means a special ping symbol for them? Idk

I was never a mute game and blast music kind of player but maybe this update will let me catch up on all the good music that's been released while I've been no lifing this game

[thorny yoke]

Its joever

But yeah nade indicators are fine

Drone indicators?

Stupid

Just stupid

Supposedly there is a bug that makes them silent, havent seen it myself but it should be fixed
If thats the reason why players dont hear drones, you fix that bug then and not add a completely other thing

[patent pumice]

I hate nade indicators

Learning to pick out nade sounds and notice where they are is one of the skills that I have consciously learned

And it was fun to do, believe it or not

[signal moss]

maybe the "Sound update" could have added Sounds to them so that ppl actually hear them. Crazy thought ik

[thorny yoke]

That id prefer that over indicators

Personally got no problem with nade ones

[signal moss]

this sounds like an average oki fix.

[thorny yoke]

But drone indicators are just stupid

[signal moss]

from what we currently now the update doesnt sound fun in general so a drone indicator on my screen once every few matches is the least of my worries

[thorny yoke]

True

Still cant grasp the thought process behind it

[zealous egret]

copium

[honest igloo]

EEEEWWW

tf that

[zealous egret]

a scope?

[honest igloo]

you cant even see the 200m range thing on the scope

its cut off

[zealous egret]

[honest igloo]

unplayable

[thorny yoke]

What a joke

Congrats oki now you killed an already not so popular rpg type

Tandem is gonna be massive shit now

[tawny fern]

Bruh?

[thorny yoke]

Idk what they doin in there nor do i really care

[tawny fern]

Fr

[tawny fern]

The fuck did he do to tandems now?

[thorny yoke]

Look at scope @tawny fern

[tawny fern]

I am lookin and I never use tandem. It looks the same to me.

Also we should quote this to "Making the playerbase more dead"