Fix the sniper issue by encouraging CQC

[verbal vapor]

while you are taking cover or peeking?

[covert pasture]

plenty of time to move

[slate ether]

the bullet wont hit you

[slate ether]

mother, peeking is meant to be quick

[hot drum]

again, you completely go the "yeah, but what if x" route with nothing else on your hand, grow up and learn how to argue with sensible types of arguments

[verbal vapor]

maybe this game should implement that one thing where it alerts you when youre being aimed at, but thats stupid

[covert pasture]

it is stupid

[slate ether]

and if you are taking cover, and still exposed, what the hell are you doing

[covert pasture]

and pointless

game sense lets you know most of the time if you are being watched

[hot drum]

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typen_von_Argumenten#Fehlschluss-_und_andere_problematische_Argumente

go and google translate this, i am so sick of this

[covert pasture]

if you dont know then thats honestly something you need to improve on

[verbal vapor]

you cant be completely covered unless you build a cocoon around yourself or something

[slate ether]

stop being exposed in the open then

[hot drum]

every single argument you have shown here falls into the fallacy ones, which is not a good thing

again, dont complain if you get run over while sitting on the interstate, that is your fault, no one elses

[verbal vapor]

mate your argument is "skill issue"

im trying to suggest a solution to the camping problem

[hot drum]

no you absolute idiot, my arguments have been laid out in this thread by probably hunderds of messages now

[slate ether]

there is no camping problem

you just suck at the game

[covert pasture]

i havent picked up on a solution or a problem in this thread

[verbal vapor]

make it so that snipers are less effective at camping

[slate ether]

the "camping" problem with the game, is the fact that snipers are doing nothing a mile away from the points. not that they are effective

[hot drum]

you are not suggesting a solution, you are displaying your own personal lack of skill to cover your ass from snipers as a widespread, general issue when this is entirely your fault

[verbal vapor]

"the camping problem shouldnt be fixed because skill issue"

[hot drum]

are you illeterate?

[verbal vapor]

"your argument is invalid because skill issue"

[covert pasture]

and the solution?

[verbal vapor]

make them more effective at ranges where infantry can reach

[slate ether]

so far, you have presented no actual problem

[verbal vapor]

the snipers in this game do more damage at long range

[hot drum]

from:suedgeorgien in: suggestions

[slate ether]

so far, your only statements have been complaints, or whining about how you sometimes die

[hot drum]

go figure, read what I said

[covert pasture]

is that incentivizing snipers to go closer or stay further away

[verbal vapor]

which means they are encouraged to stay further away

[slate ether]

at 700 meters +

those guys are not getting alot of kills

[hot drum]

@slate ether good luck with arguing man, you are talking to something less understand than a literal brick wall

[verbal vapor]

and also, since sniper gunplay is so slow, DMRs and other guns are simply better at medium range

[slate ether]

and if you die to them, you stopped on a roof, or a road they had a sightline.

[slate ether]

oh wow the medium range weapons are more effective at dealing with medium ranged threats?

[verbal vapor]

if i do die to them, im usually trying to cross between objectives

[hot drum]

and also, since sniper gunplay is so slow, DMRs and other guns are simply better at medium range
almost as if dmrs are designed to be more medium-range focused than the long-range focused sniper rilfes, almost....

[verbal vapor]

or taking cover

[verbal vapor]

and sniper rifles are built to camp?

[hot drum]

pretty much their purpose, yes

[slate ether]

even then

most people don't camping with them

[verbal vapor]

they should just be DMRs but more lethal

[covert pasture]

i think everyone in this thread except OP can agree that snipers are not enough of an issue (even the camping snipers) to create a change to sniper rifles as a result of their camping

[verbal vapor]

yet slower

[hot drum]

you would be the same arguing a wheel rolls better than a cube NOT because it it round, but because the tire is simply "better"

[slate ether]

you see 30 plus snipers, only 8 of them are camping somewhere

[verbal vapor]

i see around 30 infantry rushing a point at a time in 127v servers

[silver relic]

Any femboys in this chat?

[verbal vapor]

i wonder where everyone else is

[hot drum]

how much footage would I need to record for you to understand your lack of positioning?

[hot drum]

fuck off

[silver relic]

Hahahaha

[verbal vapor]

again with the "skill issue" argument?

[hot drum]

dude

you are obviously lacking skill in that department

[silver relic]

Sorry I’ll let y’all argue about Roblox some more

[verbal vapor]

man do you actively promote camping as well

[hot drum]

if you fail your math exam 5 times, it is indeed a skill issue and not the faultr of the math exam.....

[slate ether]

you must be playing in empty ass servers then.

[verbal vapor]

may be

[slate ether]

cause nobody else sees the game you do

[hot drum]

@verbal vapor argue that, in your head the math exam would be at fault

which is nonsensical

[slate ether]

also, where are you from(region) and when do you play?

[verbal vapor]

US - at night

[slate ether]

oh

no fucking shit then

US dies down pretty quickly at night

[hot drum]

this guy has the awareness of a stop sign, it is just fucking hilarious at this point

[slate ether]

only a few servers are up till 1-3am.

[verbal vapor]

well, take my analogy. Imagine if you challenge someone to a fair fist fight, and they pull out a gun and shoot you from long range

[slate ether]

most are down by 9.

[verbal vapor]

damn that sucks

[slate ether]

a fight shouldn't be fair

there's a difference between balanced and fair.

[hot drum]

that is not a valid analogy because you are at literal every disadvantage you could be, you are not at every disadvantage when you face a sniper at long range...

[verbal vapor]

when you have an AR, there is no way you can fight a sniper at that range

[covert pasture]

@silver relic are you OPs alt or fanboy or something

[verbal vapor]

also you literally compared gunfights to a math exam

[silver relic]

Nah lol it’s just funny to see Dennis get all worked up

[hot drum]

my video comes into play again, you have to do something to counter the sniper, you cant just do nothing and expect something to change

[slate ether]

single shot m4 can hit pretty easily up 500 meters. its not as effective but it works especially with the snipers usual lack of armor.

[verbal vapor]

yes, its quite easy when taking cover. Usually, cover is placed around main lines. Snipers in my games only focus on the main lines

[hot drum]

if you really are saying that because you have to adapt your playstyle a bit so you can counter something, we would need to remove tanks, BTRs and much more because you have to alter your playstyle to counter them too...

[slate ether]

you can build your own numbnuts

[verbal vapor]

i find it a biig stretch to fire automatics at that range

[slate ether]

single fire

you can set it to single fire you maroon

[verbal vapor]

well if i wanted to do that id prolly do it with DMR

[covert pasture]

or be normal and tap fire

[hot drum]

@verbal vapor #

[verbal vapor]

its a 4 shot kill

[slate ether]

yeah and you can send a sniper running after 1

allowing you to move

[verbal vapor]

they might change position ever so slightly, also no guarantee you hit them before they hit you

[slate ether]

my man

you understand you are fighting players right

not AI?

you will be out of posistion sometimes

you will not have the right kit to engage someone sometimes

[verbal vapor]

Its really hard to avoid snipers and fight infantry at the same time if i have to take cover from both

[slate ether]

you have to learn the game

[hot drum]

Snipers in my games only focus on the main lines
@verbal vapor your solution is right fucking there I realize, avoid the main lines then, no?

a: "man, when I hit myself in the head with this brick, it fucking hurts!"
b: "stop hitting you with the brick then?"
a: "no, i will not!"
a: "ah man that hurts so much why cant do someone do something about it!!1!1!!"

[slate ether]

smoke and run

[verbal vapor]

Theres barely any cover besides the main lines

its all hills

[slate ether]

stop trying to lay down behind a single spot of cover

hills are cover

[hot drum]

have you tried watching my video?

[slate ether]

hills are fucking cover

[covert pasture]

what map is going thru ur head @verbal vapor

[verbal vapor]

you arent in very tense firefights

[silver relic]

Burn. Do you really die from snipers THAT much?

[verbal vapor]

im talking when theres a whole lotta gunfire

[silver relic]

Burv

[slate ether]

we have played in that shit. guess what. we learned the map

[covert pasture]

waki bridge/frugis metro levels?

[verbal vapor]

No, but its quite annoying when im tryna fight someone and someone snipes me while im behind cover

[slate ether]

we learned where snipers like to make nests

[covert pasture]

well tbf metro is mostly explosions

[slate ether]

we learned where we could be shot from

[covert pasture]

waki is the gunfire

[slate ether]

we learned to build our own cover

[verbal vapor]

it takes at least 5 seconds to build your own cover

[hot drum]

dude, when I now hopt into BB and record something where I am in intense firefights, you would then move your goalposts and argue: "yeah but this is not a good example..."

it is impossible to argue against you, just like my fucking dad bro, as soon as you are getting fisted by my arguments you move your goalposts so I have to think of new ways to counter the shit you are constantly vomiting into this thread

[slate ether]

instant if you use the cement wall

[covert pasture]

no it does not

[slate ether]

and support is always instant

[verbal vapor]

ah i only use assault

[slate ether]

also, just so you know, if you are crawling

if you move while prone

[verbal vapor]

try being in an intense firefight when theres 5 sniper glints in every direction

[slate ether]

you pick up your head about a foot

[slate ether]

par for the course, that's normal

[hot drum]

also: 9/10 people are against what you are suggesting, did you ever think to yourself: "if everyone except yourself is wrong, maybe I am in fact wrong"
you go on the highway the wrong way and it does not appear to you that you might be heading the wrong direction

I am happy you are not able to vote yet

[covert pasture]

i feel like bro is cherrypicking the FUCK out of situations hes been in or just straight up fabricating things
because no way in hell would 5 snipers choose the same guy out of presumably 30 others in a full on firefight
i smell some fishy ass logic going on here

[verbal vapor]

its not that big an issue to cover from infantry, but also snipers can be in every direction and one cover doesnt really matter if theres a bunch of snipers

[slate ether]

build another one

use terrain

[silver relic]

I think he just hates snipers man lol

[slate ether]

use the maps own cover

[covert pasture]

i hate them too
but i know how to fight/run away

[slate ether]

you also have teammates

[hot drum]

@verbal vapor idea, how about YOU record some footage where this is a constant issue for you?

[verbal vapor]

they cant really protect you from every direction

[slate ether]

they will build too

[slate ether]

build around them

[hot drum]

put in the effort to demonstrate your shit

you are supposed to supply arguments

[slate ether]

for the love of god learn how to play

[silver relic]

I’m a recon main and I hate recons lol but yeah it’s not hard to avoid them at all

[verbal vapor]

maybe i will, but i havent worked up the willpower to play this game again because actually games that deal with the issue

[hot drum]

@verbal vapor even the @silver relic clown now turned against you

[hot drum]

no dude, not maybe, do it or shut the fuck up

[covert pasture]

sometimes when im bored and in my littlebird i fly exclusively to the back of the map where the snipers like to chill and just pick them off cuz i know they cant do shit

[silver relic]

I was never on his side doofus

[verbal vapor]

Using bandwagon isn't a valid way to justify an argument either

[hot drum]

given your 8 year old behaviour, that is all I could extract from it

[hot drum]

record footage which demonstrate the huge issue you are having, shut the fuck up until you have some on your hand

[silver relic]

You need a nap young man

[verbal vapor]

alright then, maybe i will sometime

no guarantee its gonna be quick because ive already stopped playing this game as much

[hot drum]

then why the fuck are you here...

[slate ether]

my man is gonna be gone for months to make that compolation, even if he played as much as robocat did

[silver relic]

Lolz all exclusively hunt other recons haha

[verbal vapor]

its just a hope that there is an actual alternative to playing Battlefield

[hot drum]

@slate ether I bet you 10 bucks he does not have any footage which demonstrate the issue by the end of january lol

[slate ether]

your argument is "I got killed by sniper, I don't want to learn the game, NERF SNIPERS!"

[verbal vapor]

mate im only gonna be able to play at night, and im not going to be playing this game every day

[slate ether]

nah he'll just disappear.

[hot drum]

you are 16 years old dude, who are you, young jeff bezos?

[verbal vapor]

Bro when im not at school, im working full time shifts

im not on the game the whole time like i presume some of you guys are

[slate ether]

4 hours a week If I'm lucky

[hot drum]

I do not believe you and I think I am not alone with this

[slate ether]

and I still know the game more than you

learn the game

that is all you need to do

[hot drum]

creating youtube shorts is not a full time job btw

neither is tiktok

[silver relic]

Maybe, no offense, it’s just that you don’t play enough? So it would make sense that you find this game difficult. There are a lot of shit buckets(Dennis) that play this game

[verbal vapor]

How should i prove it, do i need to show you my bank account balance?

[hot drum]

if you would be a somewhat sensible human being, you would know that bank account balance is not an indicator on how much you work or not...

get some footage, else im outta here, this is literal time waste

[verbal vapor]

alright, how about i show you a screenshot of my paystubs?

[silver relic]

Just ignore Dennis lol You can tell that he loves arguing/trolling

[slate ether]

dennis man, not the thing to be attacking.

[crystal rampart]

how has this thread not gotten hit by the timer

[covert pasture]

what timer

[verbal vapor]

Its probably just the style of the game, but its clear this game isnt meant for fun fair engagements

[crystal rampart]

chat timer

[covert pasture]

no moderator would add slowmode

[covert pasture]

maybe your playstyle just isnt the best for having fun

[slate ether]

a balanced engagement is not a fair engagement

[verbal vapor]

I sure wouldnt be having a lot of fun when im fighting enemies that i can only run away from

[slate ether]

you challenge a sniper at range, peeking a corner he is watching slowly and you die? that's on you.

[covert pasture]

then dont get in that situation cuh

[verbal vapor]

I cant read their mind and see that theyre focusing at that corner

[slate ether]

just so you know, you're camera is not at the top of your head, and your camera is not wider than your body

[hot drum]

totally correct, though all the messages in here which provided sensible, sound reasoning demonstrated with proof were ignored as if they werent there, my respect therfore did dwindle down to planck length

not one argument was conceptually understood or even understood the some degree, all I received was nonsensical answers with little to no value / reference to what I have been saying here

the fact that snipers are not close range weapons and similiar statements were left ignored, nothing that we can say here would convince OP otherwise, it is a clown show which is not arguable, simply because the side OP is arguing for has prove complete lack of proper discourse

[silver relic]

I don’t die to recons often because I’ve played enough to know exactly where’d they’d be and where they will be aiming. But I also have like 700 hrs playtime(no life).

[slate ether]

so they will see your stubby arms and helmet long before you can peak them if you move slow

[verbal vapor]

Ah so you would probably agree there is a map issue too

[slate ether]

it is bud.

[verbal vapor]

it doesnt happen often, but there are times where you have to stand still for a split second to take in your surroundings

[slate ether]

and most of the time its not becuase they get alot of kills, its because they are useless at the edge of the map

[slate ether]

yeah, running go prone, change direction, fucking run in acircle if you need to

just don't stop in the open, alot more than a sniper will shoot you

[verbal vapor]

Even if you take cover from other infantry, snipers can still shoot you

[slate ether]

that goes for every fucking gun ever

[hot drum]

"In order to grow, we must defeat the mistakes of our past. The past... even when you break it to pieces and entomb it in stone, it crawls out like a worm."
go burvy, defeat your gameplay mistakes of the past and improve your positioning

[verbal vapor]

you can hear footsteps if someones ambushing

[hot drum]

you quote that yourself, how about following what you quote

[verbal vapor]

did you read the whole thing

[slate ether]

25-35 metsers away

they don't need to run up on you to kill you

[verbal vapor]

yes, thats pretty common for anything but snipers

[hot drum]

@slate ether there is no point in advicing what he should do or not, I have 10 minutes of my gameplay with comments why I do what I do, it was shrugged of with "not a good example"....

[crystal rampart]

bro has an almost 10 to 1 ratio on his dumbass idea to change the game around HIS playstyle, and hes still fighting

[slate ether]

thats how far you can hear footsteps idiot

[verbal vapor]

usually at a range where infantry could shoot me from behind, i could see them before taking cover

[hot drum]

@slate ether https://youtu.be/YcsDmUAuoFU
I covered things like this in this vid, pointless to argue

it will be ignored

[slate ether]

they can also shoot you from every angle. from up to 300 meters away pretty damn easily.

[hot drum]

shrugged of with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought-terminating_cliché

[verbal vapor]

its not a guaranteed kill at 300 meters for automatics

[hot drum]

me having 760 meter kill with an aug

[slate ether]

its pretty damn easy to do bud

[verbal vapor]

unless they have a 4x scope, its a bit difficult to land 2 successful shots in a short amount of time

[slate ether]

most people use said scopes, 2xs work at that range. 3xs are fine at 300 as well

hell irons work at 300 in this game.

[hot drum]

do you go full auto at that range or what? if so: failure to adjustr

[verbal vapor]

if its semi, the first shot would be a good indicator to move

autos dont instakill with one shot

[slate ether]

ok

but now sniper has moved

now you move

so he doesn't shoot your idiot ass that stayed in the same spot.

[verbal vapor]

ofc im not going to stay in that same spot after getting shot at

i would assume the cover is safe enough for me to spend a few seconds bandaging

then i move

if i get shot at, i move

snipers kill you on the first hit most of the time

[slate ether]

becuase they headshot you

and they are within 100 meters, maybe 200.

[hot drum]

direct consequence of being exposed

[verbal vapor]

exposed behind cover?

[hot drum]

and a headshot is astronomically harder to hit when moving

[slate ether]

what cover.

are you moving behind it?

where is the sniper?

[verbal vapor]

if you mean proning around, then sure

[hot drum]

if you "cover" from a sniper when he will still kill you, it appears to be your fault for not covering properly

[verbal vapor]

how the hell would i know where the sniper is

the sniper glint isnt showing unless they aim

[hot drum]

situational awarness, read the situation you are in

open the map, look for spots where snipers would likely be

[verbal vapor]

i see teamates and my spawn behind me

i would naturally assume that the area is well covered

[hot drum]

try to think like a sniper in their situation, that would lead you for a general direction where they likely will be

[slate ether]

thats why then

[verbal vapor]

if i was a sniper, i probably wouldnt take the effort to trek all the way to the side of the map, but it seems that snipers are quite unpredictable

[slate ether]

when you crawl you pick your head up like a foot and half

maybe 2

[hot drum]

what are you even talking about

[slate ether]

but that is not shown in your first person view, only your 3d model

meanig your head is exposed

[verbal vapor]

i think im pretty safe behind the barricade covers, i dont think it should be that high

[slate ether]

the cement ones?

[verbal vapor]

snipers/campers have some interesting strategies

[slate ether]

if they are 2 floors up they can shoot you

[hot drum]

you have some interesting thinking strategies...

[verbal vapor]

the ones that are about as high as the built barriacade

[slate ether]

even the top of your helmet is exposed they can hit you

mother fucker

which one

the cement or sandbags

[verbal vapor]

the first one

in the build menu

[slate ether]

the first?

snadbags or cement

just answer

[verbal vapor]

sandbags ill say

[hot drum]

important, there are 2 sandbags, one of them has holes in them

[verbal vapor]

about the height of the one wall with 2 holes in it

[slate ether]

they are different colors man.

[silver relic]

Dont build the grey/cement barricades. They are booty. They can be destroyed easily

[slate ether]

only good because it drops instantly

[verbal vapor]

good enough for temporary cover

[silver relic]

I avoid them because they get taken down with one sniper round.

[verbal vapor]

Are they that fragile?

[silver relic]

Yes. One sniper round cuts it in half

[verbal vapor]

well if it does happen then its a pretty dead giveaway

[silver relic]

As a recon, I love when ppl hide behind them lol

[hot drum]

burvy can you guess where the snipers will be in this image? the enemy has alpha

[silver relic]

They think they’re safe lol

[verbal vapor]

gimme a sec to mark it

[hot drum]

enemy also has foxtrot

[verbal vapor]

]

ill bet probably some of the buildings behind you too

[hot drum]

thats a great start

now, I have an M4 in my hand as yo you can see, now what should I do to not get killed?

[verbal vapor]

you should probably go back into the building right next to you

that cover in front of you might not be safe

[hot drum]

something along those lines, would be important to remember that building to my right has windows and stuff

the safest option would be to break LOS with these potential sniper spots

[verbal vapor]

well just for those split seconds standing out there to observe the surroundings, you might have already been shot

[hot drum]

and by that little repositioning, you have completely shielded yourself from enemy snipers

[verbal vapor]

and all that can be done is stay in that small area

unless if i wanted to take a risk and charge out

[hot drum]

no, you can take a little risk and do the following:

that be your way to alpha

[crystal rampart]

burvy has zero fucking agency

[hot drum]

mostly safe, this is a shooter game in the end, you have to take risks

[crystal rampart]

at this point im starting to think its a troll

[verbal vapor]

just especially in this game, you have to watch pretty much every direction just to make sure theres no sniper glint

[hot drum]

you could also do these 2 ways to go to delta

you have to watch pretty much every direction just to make sure theres no sniper glint
thats the inherent danger of enemy snipers, and it is your job to avoid them by doing what I have shown here a bunch of times now

[verbal vapor]

alright, how about a situation where youre in a tense firefight and you have to take cover

[hot drum]

and only checking if glint or not is not a good measure

[verbal vapor]

while also looking out for flankers and throwables

[hot drum]

lemme draw it up

lets assume this situation, friendlys (me included) is attacking from the top just finishing the bridge part of that

as soon as I move past the building with my skull inside, I would obviously be exposed to enemy snipers looking at foxtrot, yes, but in this situation you have to prioritize the dangers, the snipers at foxtrot are much less of a danger than the dozens of enemies swarming in from the bottom and that are in the building

the arrows are not indicative for amounts of people

[verbal vapor]

also keep in mind, snipers can also be seated in every direction

[hot drum]

my course of action would be getting in or behind the building on the left, flanking the bridge dudes

also keep in mind, snipers can also be seated in every direction
hmm?

[verbal vapor]

if the green arrows are sniper fire, they might also be coming from behind that little building

you cant really tell where snipers are placed

[hot drum]

yellow - potential snipers
green - teammates
red - enemies

[verbal vapor]

ah, well just imagine this scenario, but you have to think about literally any angle a sniper could take

[hot drum]

given the anatomy of this map, it is more likely that enemy snipers at delta would be looking towards foxtrot instead of charlie, much easier LOS than on charlie here

[hot drum]

thats your job as a non-sniper, just hide and pray the angles that you leave exposed are not that good watched

its a shooter after all....

[verbal vapor]

its like a stealth game where all the enemies LOS are pointed at your area

you have to take massive risks going from cover to cover

[crystal rampart]

@verbal vapor are you scared of dying in this game?

[hot drum]

you have to take massive risks going from cover to cover
the literal purpose of enemies, yes

[verbal vapor]

dying in a fair firefight? no, dying to a sniper while im taking cover? yep

[crystal rampart]

then its clearly not good cover

[hot drum]

burvy what else should we do man, even a little combat analysis is seemingly not enough

[verbal vapor]

sometimes you dont have a choice in which cover to pick

[crystal rampart]

like ur saying "the game should cater to every personal wrong choice I make, so those choices are right instead"

[hot drum]

burvy, do you know the concept of fog of war?

[verbal vapor]

yea sure

[hot drum]

okay great, imagine how the fog of war "map" would look in each second of how you play

there is not more to what I do & what you should be doing

[verbal vapor]

Based on the assumption that snipers could be anywhere, i would have no choice but to stay in my little building all blocked up just so i dont die

but i dont want to play like that

[hot drum]

assuming "sniper could be anywhere" is honestly not a fair thing, if you know how a sniper plays you can reduce the probable areas of a sniper to a little amount

[hot drum]

you even did this yourself

[verbal vapor]

even so, movement is severely hindered

[hot drum]

it is not, you have to get flow in your movement

just running from flag a to flag b is a death sentence, like I said earlier, move with purpose

battlebit is not a game where you can shut your brain off

[verbal vapor]

Moving from cover to cover helps a lot, but doesnt completely make you safe. for the moments a sniper does see you, they can watch your movements and know exactly where youre going

thats based on just common sense

not too much of something that can be fixed, but it exists

[hot drum]

but doesnt completely make you safe.
its not supposed to make you completrely safe, it is a shooting game, the very point of every enemy is to kill you

for the moments a sniper does see you, they can watch your movements and know exactly where youre going
trick them, dont move the most obvious route, hide yourself, smoke, build a wall, jump, wiggle around, let your teammates run and see if its safe lol, you have many ways yet you consider none of them

[verbal vapor]

unless this game allows you to make underground tunnels, its quite hard to trick a sniper into thinking you took another route

usually its all hills and small trenches

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you assume that you are the only enemy in the snipers visibile area and that they are solely focused on you, which in both cases is never the case

if I see an enemy which I want to kill, I shoot it, but when I miss and that enemy covers himself by whatever means and is not peeking me, I move on to the next enemy cause I have little reason not do

you see hundreds of enemies as a sniper, you try to kill one and if that guy moves in cover, I do not actively focus on him anymore, thats just not happening

you behave and argue like every single sniper is only focusing on you

thats bs

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Its only in some servers i see this, and i just realized it might just be because the servers are dead and the target options are reduced

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if you are 4 against 8 or so obviously that happens more, its not a sniper issue then though...

I think others have said that already

if you 1v1 someone on a server, obviously that guy is focusing you. On 80v80 however, not at all

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its usually like a 32v32 on a map built for 200

half of each team is staying back to camp

leaving a few to capture points

32v32 is a slight exaggeration

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that is another set off issues though

there are some combinations with playercount - map which are insanely stupid

64v64 maps on maps which are supposed to be 32v32 while also having 64v64 maps being on maps which would be large even for 127v127

wakistan even is a map like that, that map is stupidly laid out

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maybe if they fixed the map selection, it would help

or if they determined the map selection based on how many players there were

but also, i feel like discouraging the actual camping would help a whole lot too

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that yellow box is rarely rarely used, even by me which is more of a tactial player

again, thats another set of issues though

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id say there would probably be at least 1 or 2 on some hill in the distance

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my point still stands and I think is well argued, the game does not have a camping problem ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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well if its the map problem, they should probably fix the map selection thing to pick maps suited so camping is less of an issue

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thing to pick maps suited so camping is less of an issue

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or

they could even just make the maps smaller overall

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i was proud of you, yet you arrived at the wrong conclusion once again

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look what im getting at is the ratio of campers to infantry should be very low

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the maps itself are okay, the layouts and the decisions on which layout to chose on what playercounts are messed up

again, there is no problem with camping.

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ill say i agree, but campings an issue when they outnumber the infantry

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i would somewhat agree with that, that just happens rarely

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Maybe, im just a victim of circumstance, because the only time i have time available to play is when the servers are the most dead

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that definitely skewed your perception of problems

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and the maps are too disproportionally large for the amount of players that are online

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as me and others have said, never that much of an issue, especially with somewhat decent positioning

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well, has anyone suggested to make the map size proportional to the amount of players yet?

i dont think it would be too hard

and it would certainly make it easier for people like me playing in dead servers

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optimally, you would be advised just not play on dead servers

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its either full or its dead

never really tried the server selection either

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then you should use the server browser

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they might also need to change up their algorithm

i think its because it only fills up one server at a time

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ill actually try that next time

hopefully i dont see too many stupid servers with 64 players yet having the 256 capacity

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why are there so many new msgs but discord decides to no longer show this thread to me

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32v32 maps are smaller than 127v127

So, they are proportionate to the amount of players