Add enemy collision

[winter moat]

but ur pro nerfs that would only exist to try and counter that issue?

[tepid dagger]

This collision thread not nerf medic movespeed thread

[winter moat]

u mean like if ur standing in a hallway at a corner and the other guy is in sprint animation coming to u?

[kind badger]

Yeah i'm aware. But the "clip through people to disorient them" strat is low skill and low risk. If you're in cqc you should be at risk, but clipping thru players with no effort removes it

Bit silly balance-wise, and frustrating to play against. Soft collision alone would help with the issue

[tepid dagger]

That strat isn't inherent to medics tho

[winter moat]

if its so low skill it wouldnt be an issue, everyone would be doing it in cqb which isnt the case

[agile zealot]

Like if you're in a hallway and someone zips around the corner face to face

[winter moat]

yeah so ur ready to shoot and they arent, u can hear them coming and they dont know ur there

[kind badger]

corner. No clippinf.

you have to prefire and even then you get 1 or 2 hits.

This is why AT LEAST soft collision should be added lol

[winter moat]

but oh ofc its the other playing outplaying that situation thats the issue, silly me

[kind badger]

when lack if collision is exploited? yes,

it is.

[winter moat]

alright so u dont even actually know my position, ur just arguing with me to argue

[kind badger]

Ive seen you arguing against clipping earlier wym chief

[agile zealot]

That, or you know they're camping around the corner and jump out knowing where they'll be

[kind badger]

Unless i'm thinkin of someone else in which case my fault

[tepid dagger]

Sorry but if u actually think its almost impossible to track a medic going the zip zag its 100% skill issue

[winter moat]

well yes if in ur hypothetical the other guy has wallhacks then the camper is at a disadvantage, not sure how u think this is a good reply

[kind badger]

Its not zigzag. Its the lack of feedback when someone clips

[winter moat]

tf kind of feedback do u want? mouse vibration? lmao

[kind badger]

if someone phases thru like you like a gjost with 0 feedback, cqc is gonna turn into a shitshow.

Like collision. the soft kind.

Where you get pushed by enemies a bot

[tepid dagger]

They will just do it without clipping thru, it doesn't change anything bro

[agile zealot]

I used camping as an example, the guy who jumps out on the camper will have the advantage (if they're right next to each other)

That's the point I'm trying to mske

[kind badger]

instead of them just phasing thru you

[balmy jay]

enemy collision, make ur enemy very squishy but won't be able to completely go through

[winter moat]

oh so ur just changing the situation i was talking about to suit urself, cool

[agile zealot]

Holy fuck will you take that stick out of your ass and actually read what I'm typing instead of doing some mental gymnastics to somehow find a take where this is the worst thing ever and you're the forever-victim.

[winter moat]

???? my guy i set up a scenario and u changed it

[agile zealot]

I'm fucking agreeing with you and you're telling me to go fuck myself

[balmy jay]

zzzzz

[winter moat]

i literally said "the guy camping will have the advantage over the guy sprinting through a building" and ur like "ah but what if the guy pushing just magically knows the camper is there"

and now ur gonna get all pissy and insult me like u didnt just do that? its right there in text m8

[tepid dagger]

Sorry but it won't change, maybe slightly more in favor of the guy getting pushed but not much. Also its not inherent to medics either, no chest rig engi with an smg can do the same

[agile zealot]

I should have drawn it, I was using the example of both players being on either side of a corner, not in a building.

Like, popping out face-to-face

[winter moat]

so yes, once again, not the situation i was using, can u please retract ur insults towards me for saying that is what u did?

[agile zealot]

Yea but you replied to me

[winter moat]

oh no shit i replied to the person im talking to

can i call u names now to? u have been replying to me all afternoon

[agile zealot]

Holy fuck

If a player zips around a corner and comes face to face with someone else, knowing they are there, they have the surprise advantage and thats 100% fine. That's it, that's the point.

I don't know what else you were trying to construe

[winter moat]

theres no way

[agile zealot]

There is, it's called an educated guess or observation

[winter moat]

what are u talking about?

[agile zealot]

You don't need to know they're there, you just need to expect them to be there

[winter moat]

u really went on a fucking tirade insulting me for saying ur changing my scenario to try and discredit it and u just keep doing it, fucking unreal

[kind badger]

Yeah it isnt class specific, i used medi as an example because more than once i've seen them jump thru people tepeatedly because they can get away with it, largely due to 0 collision, self healing yhe entire time, until the enemy is out of ammo in their mag

[kind badger]

My guy, regardless of what is being said, I think you need to be less hostile

no need to be a dick, frankly

[winter moat]

??? he can insult me but im the one being hostile now?

[kind badger]

I didnt see any opposing insults from where i'm standing

[winter moat]

like ur not gonna say anything about this shit but i get a telling off for standing up for myself?

[agile zealot]

Sorry I will insult you now, you're a brainlet and need to stop posting, everything you say is terrible and aggressive and you type like you're the most downtrodden motherfucker around and everyones out to get you.

[kind badger]

Not that bad vs

[winter moat]

yeah sorry im the dick, ill just let this guy insult me constantly for saying my points

[kind badger]

well that.

That is insulting.

[winter moat]

yeah exactly, but im the dick here

[agile zealot]

Go wear a tinfoil hat and take your pills

[winter moat]

yes make more shit up, thatll work

[kind badger]

Just relax lads fr

[winter moat]

insane that ur acting like me and him are being equally dicks here lmao

[kind badger]

not whag I said but ok

[winter moat]

my fucking bad for trying to have a conversation, he cant accept criticism of anything he says so i should be berated ig

[tepid dagger]

That isn't really true and u know it isn't, bit of reach u think they can just hold lmb and tank fire like that. You know damn well u can't med thru a bleed and with bbrs ttk u dead so much faster than the medbox can heal. Please don't use strawman arguments against me, I find it very disingenuous

[agile zealot]

You can't have a conversation because you're too much of a cunt

[winter moat]

says the guy throwing out insults bcos im disagreeing with him

get a grip of urself

[agile zealot]

You can't agree with anyone, or argue in good faith, or take any kind of disagreement as anything other than a personal insult. You're incapable of any kind of structured argument and thoroughly derail any conversation you decide to join.

[winter moat]

i have agreed with plenty of people in this thread, i have taken plenty of disgreement completely fine, i literally didnt say u insulted me until u did. i have had plenty of points both in response to u and just generally that u always ignore

u have had nothing of use to say to me at all

[agile zealot]

You are the problem, since whatever I say will be manipulated into something else I might as well just call you a prick and save you the trouble.

[kind badger]

Its less tanking and more the people who zigzag through someone, or i've had people jump around and spin while rezzing, having people, sometimes several, magdump on them, and they still manage to get the rez off and sometimes get out - the mobility issues of this game in general can make those who throw their momentum around a lot very irritating to play against imo, and lack of collision exacerbates those issues in CQC

[winter moat]

u really went ape shit over me setting up a scenario, u making a completely different scenario to counter mine, me saying thats not what i said and now im a cunt i guess, but sure ur just too big brain for me or something

[fading wren]

Return wiggling, keep some smgs nerfed like vector but revert nerfs like mp5, keep bandage healing

[agile zealot]

It wasn't the scenario, it was you

[winter moat]

from the guy manipulating my scenario into something else to disagree with me

[kind badger]

Not to say it doesn't require skill or it isnt useful at times, but full control of momentum (no time to change direction, no slowdown when making sharp 180 degree turns, and full midair control) and lack of collision are some of my biggest irks with this game and why I haven't played in a long while. Its unfun for many to play against those things

[tepid dagger]

I really hate being this guy, but those medics in the situations you described are just better 😂 sorry lmfao

[winter moat]

okay fucking block me then u child, if u really cant hack me responding to shit u say in a discussion thread just block me, how are u gonna act like ur in the right for going on a tirade like a fucking baby?

[kind badger]

Thats what i'm saying, when someone can be a living pinball with a (relatively) small hitbox, tracking is less an issue and more human reaction time

[tepid dagger]

If u can't kill a guy who is reading and spinning, he can't move more than like a meter or 2 away from the body u just gotta aim better not trying to be a dick

*rezzing

[kind badger]

other than just having explosives or a high RoF smh etc, sometimes its difficult to counter.

[agile zealot]

For what bands saying, he's not wrong. The skill needed to spin around someone and the skill needed to successfully react, track and shoot them are not the same.

[kind badger]

yeah i'm mostly talking cqc, but in general its very obnoxious to outplay - not impossible. Obnoxious

[tepid dagger]

Difficult yea, is difficulty inherently bad to you tho? I don't think that is a problem really, just allows for greater skill expression

[kind badger]

"yes let me make myself a gnat which you must hit 3-4 times in the next ~ 5 seconds before I shred you" is just unfun imo

inherently bad to the design and balance of this game imo

[winter moat]

i dont think the game in balanced entirely off of the ability to occasionally run through people tbh lol

[tepid dagger]

I don't think that is what he is saying rat

[agile zealot]

I think it's the imbalance between the difficulty of spinning around someone and the difficulty of shooting them which is causing the primary issue.

[kind badger]

not entirely, no, but thats what i'm saying - if its going to be valid, soft collision at least is vital to make it feel fair, or at least not janky

[wanton kayak]

dude how did rat ruin the thread even more? its on the level of it being below the pits of hell

[winter moat]

and yeah ive said repeatedly id be fine with a good, soft collision system, im just against the current system thats in the game

[kind badger]

Me personally, I'd prefer if it's not viable. But its so strong and overused that collision is vital to making cqc and high speed players feel balanced

[tepid dagger]

I think his point is clear, he just find it hard, and annoying to kill people who use movement to their advantage. He want collisions added but in the examples he gave that wouldnt change anything..

[winter moat]

aw cute ur back to obsess over me more <3

[agile zealot]

At the moment it feels free for the spinner and janky for the shooter, the balance would be making it feel more janky for the spinner and less janky for the shooter.

[kind badger]

Yeah, i'm lowkey ranting abt mobility at this point lol

[tepid dagger]

This what I'm saying lol

[kind badger]

The game isnt designed as a mobility shooter, so it drives me nuts having those kinda issues.
I guess my point is, as we are now, it's fairly "meta". especially in cqc

[tepid dagger]

Tbh I think u would be fine with no collision if movement was toned down in general

[winter moat]

i think its p cringe to be asking for movement to be massively changed/slowed down, if u dont wanna play a fast paced shooter u can just go find a slower one, why should a faster game be changed for all the people who like it?

[kind badger]

Yeah. Im a big fan of soft collision im general because hard collision is frustrating

[agile zealot]

But any attempt to do that has caused the most vitriol, player collision is technically a moment nerf and look at this thread.

[kind badger]

and it circumvents the big downsides of it while allowing the mobility strats to be viable - win win for everyone

but if it were up to me, I'd also neuter midaid mobility and tone down the control players have in terms of directing their speed, but thats irrelevant here

[tepid dagger]

My point is even if it gets added, I think u still don't like it

Collisions won't change all those examples u gave

Not by much anyhow

[kind badger]

Oh yeah, hence why i'm saying "if it were up to me nerf mobility" cuz thats a big underlying issue

[winter moat]

so yeah just make this into a game u like at the cost of the players who like current systems

[kind badger]

likr I said not relevant lol, just me being irritated by mobility at this rate lol lmao

[tepid dagger]

Ya and I don't like that 😕 its always the minority that are vocal and player who enjoy what we have don't speak up, which is why I like to voice my opinion

[kind badger]

But collision in particular I think is almost undebatably an issue. I've had times where I straight up clip thru enemies, turn around, go "wait..." and shoot them because I deadass thought they were a teamate due to the clipping

amongst the cqc issues I mentioned before, and just how janky it can feel to be inside a player you're trying to fire at

[agile zealot]

I don't think you're in the majority, looking at both the player stats and the poll results in the update.

[kind badger]

yeah, I think majority of players would prefer more of a cover shooter kinda deal, with some CQC sprinkled in, not the other way around. Albeit thats based on me and my friend group i play with

[agile zealot]

Again, not meaning that as any kind of put-down or bash

[kind badger]

Having one strat be viable would be icky regardless of which way it goes

[winter moat]

i mean yeah if ur in a corner fully inside an enemy its gonna be weird, but no less janky than turning a corner and being stopped dead in ur tracks will be

[tepid dagger]

Thats my point, im the minority who enjoys how the games plays. So I come to voice my opinion cuz it the ones who have gripes that do the bitching and get things changed

[kind badger]

Honestly, feel it would be better... But thats why I mention soft collision. Akin to Minecraft's player collision

[agile zealot]

Ahh, I thought you said it's the minority who complain and ruin it for the majority that like the game as is

[tepid dagger]

Oh I think I messed that saying up but ya

[winter moat]

a difference of opinion then, i feel like interrupting the flow of what is clearly a movement based shooter, intended or not, is infinitely worse feeling than occasionally being inside someone and it being hard to shoot them

[tepid dagger]

I think u understand

[agile zealot]

There is a bit of survivor bias there, as those who don't enjoy the current state of the game have usually stopped playing

[tepid dagger]

True, hence why the player count is a fraction of what it was on release

[agile zealot]

Which is different from those who just don't enjoy the game in general

[winter moat]

i mean thats an inevitability, no game is ever sitting even close to its peak count for months and months

and keeping the game moving in a direction the players who stayed like makes way more sense than trying to make changes to draw back in people that have already left (barring like a bf2042 situation where u go like sub 1k daily peak lol)

[tepid dagger]

Those people left, but its the few, the vocal minority who come in here and gets changes made that people that are just happy playing what we got screwed over

[tepid dagger]

I agree

For a small indie game, I think the player count is relatively healthy

[agile zealot]

Because they see those issues as the blocker preventing the game being more popular and improving their own experience

[kind badger]

Issue is, there are features that are clearly indicative of a slower and more team-based approach to combat. Squads, which you can spawn on and build structures for, mainly. But theres also the combat which feels very fast otherwise

[agile zealot]

It's that healthy balance thing which is the hardest to strike

[winter moat]

yeah its a unique game, but it started life as more of a milsim game and it completely died so why would we go back in that direction?

[kind badger]

Yeah, I dont want fast combat to disappear, but the sheer power of having 100% full control of your movement in a shooter with low TTKs and highly accurate weapons can be really insane.

[tepid dagger]

The game was more like like in the past pre alpha and stuff, but oki made away with a lot of the elements like that in favor of what we got now, because it more digestible to the masses

[agile zealot]

As banned said, the game is laid out with the feature set of a battlefield-style game, but the movement has zero limitations other than capped move speed and jump height, so the balance feels incredibly skewed.

[winter moat]

losing control of ur movement sounds pretty objectively bad to me idk lol

[kind badger]

I'm talking like akin to playing scout in tf2 or something

still tons of control and speed, but not 100%

you cant on a dime change from going one direction full speed to another

[tepid dagger]

This thats what makes bbr so fun and skill based

[spiral plover]

(thinks of soldier)

[wanton kayak]

I really do think a class that can out run, gun, and gadget all other classes in CQC without any checks does indeed kill the newer players experience

[kind badger]

That adds a Lot to tracking enemies

[agile zealot]

I mean that's inertia and that's a different kettle of fish

[wanton kayak]

perhaps even the casuals aswell

[winter moat]

which class is this?

[tepid dagger]

Medic, he thinks everything has to do with medics kit

[winter moat]

yeah i wanted him to say it bcos its always funny given medics arent even the fastest class

[kind badger]

Honestly it isnt fun to play against imo. I have mentioned before I often win in those cqc engagements when they aren't a living pinball mostly and its just not really fun honestly

[agile zealot]

Again, one aspect of skill, but it comes at the cost of all the other aspects.

And skill specifically in one area

[tepid dagger]

Its a movement shooter? Not even an absurd one mind u, its very grounded

[kind badger]

Its frustrating to die to someone you can hardly even see due to collision and wonky momentum, and its not satisfying to get a kill in that circumstance either imo.

[agile zealot]

If this was UT or quake or something, I'd agree with you 1000%, but BBR has team play and objectives

[kind badger]

^thats my big thing

[winter moat]

so those somehow mean we cant have a movement based and objective based shooter?

[kind badger]

those fall to the wayside so much if "RUN FAST SHOOT ENEMY RESPAWN" is the point

Because then i'd just be playing a traditional arena shooter

[tepid dagger]

Can u not have team based elements and fluid movement in one package? I don't see how these things conflict

[agile zealot]

You can

But it requires movement to be nerfed a little, and that's apparently the worst thing ever

[winter moat]

literally why

[agile zealot]

Only a little, a tiny bit

[kind badger]

with insanely low ttk and no collision? not effectively

[tepid dagger]

I think comparing to the likes of quake is absurd, and always comparing it to squad or something is just as equal. I like the middle ground.

[agile zealot]

Literally the smallest amount to make a visible change

[kind badger]

because with team shooters you are intended to hold lines and defend a lot more, and it just doesn't really work as wffectively when someone can outright run past you

[winter moat]

crazy how the game hasnt devolved into complete chaos after so long of movement being allegedly so giga OP that its impossible to exist alongside objectives and team based play

[tepid dagger]

Not necessarily, look at like overwatch

[agile zealot]

But BBR currently isn't in the middle, it has the movements of quake++, it's very skewed towards movement

[kind badger]

Its not impossible mind you, It just doesn't mix well from a design standpoint imo

[winter moat]

i can guarantee if there was more incentive to hold objectives more people would do it, its not an issue of people sometimes running through someone

[kind badger]

Thing with overwatch is, it has shields, tanks, and long TTK

[agile zealot]

In fact, very heavily skewed towards movement, so much so that slower classes are far less effective

[kind badger]

the long ttk has a lot to do with it I think

[tepid dagger]

Fair over watch is a bitter of and odd comparison, but its movement is much wilder than bbr

[kind badger]

Agree on this. Evo armor is insane for one fight... If even that, the you're just fat and slow 😭

[spiral plover]

being honest, this game feels faster than HL1's MP & HL2dm

[kind badger]

...yeah, I havent played either and I can feel that

which is insane in a team based objective game imo

Like those are outright arena shooters, right?

[agile zealot]

Mechanically OW has more going on, but for pure movement it still has things like inertia.

[tepid dagger]

Bbr isn't a traditional team shooter just like overeating isn't

[agile zealot]

BBR is a traditional battlefield game, though

[tepid dagger]

Overwatch lol

[kind badger]

overeating

[agile zealot]

It has all the halmarks

[kind badger]

Lol i figured

[winter moat]

bbr is a traditional bf game? give me my zouzou jump back

[kind badger]

but yeah, overwatch brings thinfs together in a very functional way where things coexist well, and the movement in bbr is so ungodly powerful in so many situations that it causes issues

[tepid dagger]

Its not tho its a hybrid, I think its more akin to like tribes than anything

If ur a boomer and know that game

[kind badger]

issues regarding the balance of other strats and mechanics

[agile zealot]

I mean in overall game design, it feels very, very close to BF2, or 2142

You have tickets, points, vehicles, reviving, squads, orders etc.

[tepid dagger]

Yes stylistically, but with crisp movement like the old days before yucky terms like inertia

[agile zealot]

Hmmmm, even if BF2 we had inertia

[winter moat]

so just like every bf game? many of which are very movement oriented in their own ways

[agile zealot]

Obviously modern games went ham with it because "muh realism"

[crisp pier]

Inertia exist back in the day too yknow

[tepid dagger]

To some degree

[agile zealot]

BBRs movement can continue to feel crisp and responsive with enemy collision

[winter moat]

not with hard collision it cant

[agile zealot]

Running into someone won't affect how you traverse the map, just how you interact during an engagement

[tepid dagger]

I think even with soft collision it would just feel worse for little to no benefit

Just my opinion

[agile zealot]

I don't think you would see the benefit, but I think others would.

[tepid dagger]

Very possible

[agile zealot]

Any kind of change like this is going to have winners and losers and that's ok

[crisp pier]

Like yeti said, it just affects engagements
Only way i could see it affecting traversial is if you by chance bump into an enemy that you didnt see coming

But that is it

[agile zealot]

Maybe you can kidnap someone and use them as a boost to get onto a ledge 😁

[tepid dagger]

But does the people that changes like this bring back or introduce to the game out weigh the people that leave? Its a razors edges

And if even net neutral will oki want his game like that?

[agile zealot]

I think you have to look at it on an overall game experience improvement or degradation, but the only way to check that is to try it and see.

[kind badger]

Thats the issue, this game doesn't have that at all as far as I can tell

Thats why I complain abt mobility a lot... albeit doesn't have a lot to do with collision fwiw

[tepid dagger]

No inertia? Sorry

[winter moat]

but why should inertia be added other than just "other games have it"? why cant we have an fps game without inertia for the people who enjoy it?

[agile zealot]

It's annoying there isn't another modern battlefield-stylr game that hasn't made a huge goofy cockup of inertia to simulate realism, which we could draw as a comparison

[kind badger]

its one of those things thats added for balance sake. Humans have reaction time, so to avoid endless "zigzag" dodging that is horribly effective, inertia prevents it to a degree

Hwnce why practically every popular game had it

[agile zealot]

But the only examples are AAA studios and they all do it :/

[kind badger]

See Warframe's pvp, it has conclave

guess why nobody plays it?

[winter moat]

bcos warframe isnt a pvp game primarily?

[tepid dagger]

I have a few thousand hours in wf and can tell u its not cuz movement. The game never balanced for pvp and certain builds and warframes made it unfun

[agile zealot]

Warframe isn't a great comparison, it has a whole lot of issues besides

[kind badger]

... fair. But the people I've talked to basically say its mostly due to how movement works there. When you bulletjump, you go full speed 100% in that direction, and can do it so repeatedly

Its just turns into a mess really quickly to anyone who tries to go fast

[tepid dagger]

I would personally love a pvp game warframes movement, look at like apex and titanfall

[agile zealot]

Ok you hit the nail on the head, certain builds in BBR are un-fun, not for the player but for those receiving.

[kind badger]

Deadass I wouldn't mind that either lol

Ultrakill pvp when

[agile zealot]

I would fucking love a Titanfall battlefield game

[shell swan]

It's not phantom forces, the game is themed to be boots on the ground. If this game was actually 8v8 comp shooter where exo support with a bipod LMG didn't exist, go for it.

[crisp pier]

Ngl while ultrakill pvp would be goofy i wouldnt try it
There will 100% be dudes with triple game time than mine and i would be obliterated in 2 nanoseconds

[kind badger]

Apex battlefield legends
slap a label on it and release it, copypaste all the mechanics, EZ

[winter moat]

what does this have to do with what i said?

[tepid dagger]

Movement isn't the inherent issue with bbr i see here, its people uncomfortable with the fact its a somewhat grounded somewhat realistic modern team shooter and not like space cod or something

[kind badger]

You don't want to get quadruple railcoined from space? it would be so exciting for the 5 seconds the hitstop keeps you there

[shell swan]

it's why this game shouldn't be the FPS game without inertia for the people who enjoy it

[kind badger]

Honestly fine with grounded experience. Its what I prefer

[winter moat]

bcos lmgs have bipods? sorry im really not seeing ur point

[shell swan]

Make something called battlebit brawlers and put it over there but it's a weird choice for a 127 v 127 "tactical" arcade combined arms game

[agile zealot]

But likewise, Titanfall with wiggling and spinning would feel awful for the exact same reasons it feels awful in BBR

[kind badger]

But if its grounded, I want it to "feel" relatively grounded yknow? things to have weight and momentum and function in a sensible way

[winter moat]

okay and? let me have my weird niche game

[shell swan]

I can say the same. What if I want a grounded version of battlebit, like the game advertises itself as

[tepid dagger]

Thats just it, its all relative, its not squad or tarkov. It's roblox with battlefield game play aspects

[winter moat]

then u can go play battlefield, why should this game be changed to suit u at the cost of the people who enjoy it when the experience u want is available elsewhere?

[crisp pier]

It would be goofy as hell and really i would try it
But the skill gap would be massive to say the least
But hey, would be goofy doing a counter-railcoin to a guy

[shell swan]

and you can play phantom forces. The game should be changed to suit the dev and the community he wanted to build, which on devstream he's made clear is not your average catEat player or whatever clan or player you wanna name. Be mad about it, but it's what it is.

[tepid dagger]

I don't think they need to lean anymore to the ungrounded in reality things, and vice versa. Its in a fun middle ground right now, and tilting the scale either way would be bad imo 🙃

[winter moat]

also, ive never seen bbr advertising itself as grounded anywhere

[wanton kayak]

Cranky, Titanfall's gameplay is just way too fast for my taste which is why I won't pick it up anytime soon

[winter moat]

im not mad but sure, whatever u need to justify ur position ig

[kind badger]

Hinestly I think theres a mod for multiplayer... I wonder if someone could build on it lmao

[stoic mason]

Isnt milsim mode on the make? Why should we deal with these features

[shell swan]

In your case, sure, but I've read plenty of people saying Oki is killing his game and his community bc it's not going in the direction that supports them

[winter moat]

i mean i thinks its very disingenious to act like nerfing playstyles into the groud when the game is already bleeding players wont contribute to more people quiting the game, thats just reality

[stoic mason]

Milsim features dont really belong in the base game, its just not the identity of it

[shell swan]

we can go in circles to say what is killing the game but nobody's gonna be able to land on one clear one

[tepid dagger]

But aren't u one of those people, in ur suggestion u gave an ultimatum, both options included movement changes?

[kind badger]

might sound silly but... the devs stream? are they official streams, or just one of the devs personal ones? I mustve missed that somehow cuz I would love to watch that some time

[agile zealot]

What if they're leaving because that playstyle is so dominant?

[winter moat]

obviously, bcos theres multiple factors

[winter moat]

both can be true, i never even remotely suggested otherwise

[stoic mason]

How would you know that

[crisp pier]

There is, it could be done
Would take a lot of work tho

[shell swan]

hey I just make the suggestion I didn't think that the thread was gonna be posted onto fuckin upcoming updates

[stoic mason]

I stopped playing because the game had no new content im sure a lot feel that way

Not because smg médics

[agile zealot]

Just conjecture based on feedback and threads in this discord over time, I definitely know of people who came back after wiggling was nerfed, myself included

[tepid dagger]

And I know people who left because it was taken away?

[stoic mason]

Feedback on this discord and Reddit is useless and no brainer

[winter moat]

how many of them are still playing daily now, months later? or did they find another reason to quit again?

[kind badger]

Depends on if the devs look at it (or someone relays info to them, etc)

[stoic mason]

Like lol, you are taking suggestions from the worst loud players

[agile zealot]

Not gonna go down that straw-man, everyone quits eventual

[shell swan]

until it proves your point like the inertia thread. moment that got a majority no all of a sudden it was proof democracy was good

but if it has supporters like this, then it's wrong

[stoic mason]

Game shouldnt be balanced around prós by but by no means by shitters either

[kind badger]

Yeah, it works when people pop in fr

Yeah, balance that works across the board is difficult but important

[shell swan]

Either game is balanced around everyone or game is balanced around nobody favoritism is gross

[winter moat]

dont do it to urself, i got so much shit earlier for saying the game should be balanced for broadly middle of the pack players

[kind badger]

I think you can do both, but it requires lots of work

[wanton kayak]

💀 thank god we dont got you running the show

[winter moat]

u cannot physically balance for both the top 1% and bottom 1% at the same time

[tepid dagger]

So why are u the guy that gets to be the favorite?

[kind badger]

Depends on the game a lot too, and "balance" is gonna be a spectrum but imo you should strive for it

[agile zealot]

Saying it needs to middle of the ground and agreeing what that middle of the ground looks like are two very, very different things.

People's perspectives change what that middle ground looks like

[shell swan]

I'm not. but Community and Oki likes the idea going by votes

[stoic mason]

If It were for you support would have 500 Hp and 3 shot weapons

[shell swan]

meaning the game is balanced byh larger community, and by the guy who makes the game

[stoic mason]

You see How It shouldnt be balanced by me or you?

[kind badger]

who woulda thunk it

[shell swan]

If inertia didn't get support, then it didn't get support

fine, doesn't pass

this one does

[wanton kayak]

ah yes if i were running the show I'd base the game around how the class I play the most gets the most OP things

[stoic mason]

Enemy collision is terrible Ill Just dropshot more

[kind badger]

and they will aim down :)

[wanton kayak]

or use q and e to check corners more?

[kind badger]

Imo its a better alternative. Its meant to punish rushing into unsafe scenarios

[winter moat]

unironically had people tell me this is too difficult

[tepid dagger]

I think this poll if u wanna call it that is too split to be decisive, but if oki likes it oki likes it

[wanton kayak]

why are you also acting like dropshotting is a huge problem in the game?

[stoic mason]

Its not I do It ALL the time

[wanton kayak]

i'd just use my impact grenade tbh

[agile zealot]

I mean it's 2:1, it's not like it's 42%/58%

[kind badger]

i genuinely dont understand the dropshotting being toxic/op thing as a pc player personally, but that may just be me

[shell swan]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wanton kayak]

the dropshotting isn't a huge thing in this game tbh

[stoic mason]

Most dont thats what I usually do to dropshotters

[kind badger]

console probably has it rough tho on that front

[winter moat]

neither, u should already be pulling down for recoil anyway, but plenty people the other day argued with me that it’s too op

[wanton kayak]

its not that OP cause you always got another guy coming after the guy you drop shotted

[kind badger]

my thinf is, you dont drop fast enough for it to matter

you can track a guy as he prones pretty easily imo

[stoic mason]

It could be an argument that is op on support with their 1 trillion Hp helmet

Shooting them In the Head doesnt work

[wanton kayak]

michael why are you still going after the exo loadout

[kind badger]

me getting shor in the head once and losing the helm:

[winter moat]

fal headshots go brrrr

[stoic mason]

I dont, I think support currently is just as strong as médic

[shell swan]

idk man what are we doin here, either you trust the community which is ideally what Oki's in game voting system will do, or you trust Oki

[stoic mason]

With fal ofc It wont bê same but above médic

[wanton kayak]

yeah we got anti-community people spawning in

[winter moat]

i trust oki, if he put in collision without a vote and then acted on the feedback at that point i’d be fine with it

[wanton kayak]

last ditch effort it seems

[shell swan]

yea, doesn't seem to be a widespread sentiment tho

instead it's Oki killing the game (see glint)

[tepid dagger]

I'm undecided, but I've said all I have to say really. Have a lovely day all, cept joelus, u are worm

[shell swan]

lol

[agile zealot]

Lol

[wanton kayak]

me 🪱

[fair grail]

🪱

[kind badger]

god i wish that were me?

In all seriousness, If the devs manage to see the thread and come away with the idea of soft collision/ less "solid" collision options from this, I think most people would prefer that vs hard collision

[wild iris]

I feel like this in addition to the kick button would be pretty good tbh.

[fading wren]

Literally just aim in center and they run into the bullets

[winter moat]

yes soft collision system (ideally with a smaller hitbox than the entire player model) is probably the best option for everyone

[kind badger]

Honestly, given no friendly collision, I wouldn't think the size of the collider even matters mich

[winter moat]

imo the player models are just too big to be the entire collision hitbox, could be fine dependant on how it actually works tho

[kind badger]

Yeah, I think the "force" of the collision would be the biggest thing; as long as it ramps up so people don't clip into others (looking into enemies models for instance) unless theyre trying to run past eachother, that kinda thing

[clever patio]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-rip-sad-sponge-bob-stephen-hillenburg-crying-sponge-bob-squidward-gif-12966776

[serene tundra]

[vernal tartan]

WE GOT HARD COLLISION BOYS

https://tenor.com/view/chuu-chuu-loona-kim-jiwoo-gif-24691179

[frail stratus]

Cant wait for this to go live tomorrow and you guys realize its the shittiest thing ever and ask for a revert

Theirs a reason why people dont have it on in their community servers yk

Same with inertia

[vernal tartan]

hard collision is kinda ass but i'd be fine with soft collision

[frail stratus]

hard collision is worse then no collision

[vernal tartan]

yea

[frail stratus]

their is a reason why no one turned on this option

[vernal tartan]

it's ok at least they revert bad changes

[frail stratus]

Yeah sure

Make a bad change on the only day the game has a chance to be revived

You realize how bad of a first impression thats gonna leave?

This literally went exactly the way i said it would

[vernal tartan]

i personally don't think collision is going to kill the game lol

[frail stratus]

Hard collision is extremely jank

Yall shouldve specifed in the post so this wouldnt happen

[vernal tartan]

pretty much everyone specified that they wanted soft collision

devs just didn't read

[frail stratus]

you cant expect the devs to sift through the 1000's of shitposts and bitching just to find the actual suggestion

[serene tundra]

Me when vid doesnt even show people running into each other

[hollow mountain]

rip hiding in piles of enemies

[unkempt coyote]

yehey no more hiding in piles of enemies

[frank palm]

Rip pickaxe chad's and hammer girls 👏👏🔨⛏️😞

[rain hare]

[balmy jay]

it's joever

soft collision

EVERYONE DEMAND IT

[serene tundra]

Day 1 of no collision

[gilded spindle]

thanks Diego

just remember you did this

[pure violet]

its joever

you wanted this

[shell swan]

I'll live

[pure violet]

i wont live

(im exagerating)

[unkempt coyote]

atleast the gun doesnt go up when you collide like when you get near a wall

[balmy jay]

https://discord.com/channels/303681520202285057/1179685090058571867

vote here or forever hold your peace

[soft forge]

This is just another thing that I struggle to come up with reasons for adding, but I can think of plenty of aspects of the game it destroys if added:

• No more hiding in groups of proning enemies
• Good luck using the melee weapons
• Suicide C4 gets nerfed so hard from this
• Now if you run into someone in a door its no longer a question of who reacts best, but of who reacts first
• Do collision boxes clip through walls? What if someone is crouched under a staircase you want to walk up? Do you just stop?
• It's going to be very clunky running into one of the thousand supports proning in a random spot on the map

I'm sure there's more I'm not thinking of.

The only thing that I can think of that this would actually help with is if someone were to stand inside of you and stay there, which doesnt happen. Maybe this is supposed to make dodging at close range a tiny bit harder? I honestly dont see how this would help with that either. This change just doesnt make sense.

[quasi jetty]

Indeed.

Nobody here who was advocating for collision wanted this kind of collision.

Oki seemed to have misinterpreted the agenda of those who supported this idea.

[gilded spindle]

oki doesnt read the thread, he looks at the OP post and the reactions

[mild iron]

This is what I have been trying to tell people, the intial post has to have everything, summarized easy to bite sentences. The thread below and the debates are only seen by him a fraction of the time.

[pure violet]

he just enabled by default the original implementation, to all servers

[wanton kayak]

a whole 5-10 ass people

[mystic comet]

Rip suicide c4
Rip pickaxe usage
Rip sledge usage
Rip cool action in close quarters
Rip running through enemies in tunnels

[wanton kayak]

This whole thing seems like a cope/gaslighting tbh

• I don't understand the first point why would you be trying to hide alongside proning enemies?
• Melee if anything is now buffed as you can know when you're hitting someone better now
• Suicide is C4 is nerfed now yes but as many people mentioned above its only fair to the people in groups of 15 or more being killed thus their frontline/team effort is wasted. (It's still not useless just need to work smarter not harder.)
• Yeah duhh?
• Shoot the feet (oki does need to address this though <)
• Yes and now you have a better chance at detecting when a support is prone, not like you wont have the edge on him in terms of shooting first

[soft forge]

I thought you had me blocked?

[wanton kayak]

I, Yeti, Palma,and so many more people already talked about all the things you mentioned and how collision would benefit teamwork a little more. We also talked about how the riotshield will be used more now due to this so its not like a tool like suicide C4 got nerfed and another tool didn't get buffed

I have you blocked yes but it still doesn't mean I can't just click show message

plus you made pretty bad points so just wanted to give counter points to them.

[dusky yoke]

Isnt reacting better the same as reacts first?

[soft forge]

Sorry, I dont engage with people who have me blocked. All I will say is this:

I don't understand the fisrt point why would you be trying to hide alongside proning enemies?
If you dont play the game, just say so. This one point alone nullifies your entire existence in this discord server. I cant believe that you would say something so out of touch.

[wanton kayak]

Yeah that just doesn't make sense which is why I called him out on that

[soft forge]

No, reacting better accounts for more things than just who clicked first. In particular the question of who chose the best position the fastest is now pointless, because both players will be stuck.

[wanton kayak]

He's been clearly making suggestions around the point that this FPS is a arcady fast paced shooter then makes a weird thing saying acting faster is now bad?

[dusky yoke]

You are running into someone
There is nothing about position in that

And it is about who can react first
Who can turn 180 degrees first and who can after all of that keep up to aiming
If the guys isnt almost inside you that your simply cant shoot him bexause your weapon doesnt register it

[soft forge]

I dont know what to tell you man. If you incidentally run into someone in a doorway when neither of you are expecting it the way you react is extremely important and can be the difference between winning the fight or not. Especially if either of the players are low hp or ammo.

Again if you dont understand that idk what to say to you.

[dusky yoke]

Also about the last point, atleast in the open running into someone prone qouldt kinda that makes it easier to locate the guy and less chances to run trough him when he is static
The only argument i can say indeed does huet something that never was problematic is using melees specially that you have a 1000kill stuff to unlock iirc

[dusky yoke]

This is literally not gonna chance
The one who reacts faster will win the fight
Just not gonna have the bs of not being able to shoot because he is inside of you, intentional or not or him being able to escape qhen he is running and healing himself

[soft forge]

Post stats. The only way you are unironically saying this is if you genuinely suck at the game.

[chrome hound]

Bad
Bad
Bad
Good
Very good

[wanton kayak]

and now ofc he goes to the "skill issue bro" argument

[dusky yoke]

Expected ngl

[wanton kayak]

this discord been getting more toxic ngl

[dusky yoke]

Isnt this for the whole of internet lmao

[wanton kayak]

the whole "your bad at the game bro just get better" was never a huge thing a month or so ago

these people must've been breeding in the mean time I guess

[dusky yoke]

This just hurts actually being in an argument because it completely makes someone hate eachother and use it on the guy because he did this to me

[wanton kayak]

exactly

[dusky yoke]

Also about that
Wouldnt this be a good time to buff melee weapons ans suicide c4

[soft forge]

Just to be clear Im not saying its a skill issue. Im saying that you dont have a good enough understanding of the game or really fps in general to reason with.

[dusky yoke]

I just want to understand with part of the argument i made
Because yes while one does need to have stats to show how common is, it can still hurt fights and not like you can do it
About the reaction faster or better it is basically on the same boat of meaning

And it is not like i am fully ok with collision
Im totally ok with having them and if it doesnt work roll back

I have been playing in community servers with collision and i never had a problem outside of teammates fucking me over when i want to enter a building

Or the prone one
Kinda sucks in general specially when you are dodging bullets and comes to a full stop

[wanton kayak]

yeah thank God we are only getting enemy collision

127 on your team and one wont troll you? nightmare fuel...

[dusky yoke]

Getting trolled because you are a clan member

[soft forge]

Ok I want you to imagine a scenario with me. Image there are two players, player A and player B. A is in a room connected to the room B is in via a door. A is on low health and B is on full. Neither of the players are aware of the other's presence. Incidentally, they both decide to get up and run into the other's room at the same time.

A has two options when they meet at the door way:

1. A can instantly turn around and try to outgun B
2. A can turn 90 degrees and hide behind the wall before B can shoot him, hoping that he can repeak B when B isnt expecting it.

Which choice do you think A should make? I.e. which reaction is better?

[dusky yoke]

He should do 2
But isnt this being self aware of your surroundings and player skill

And like that is better than skill issue because it is a good argument in general

[soft forge]

You mean this is now a question of who is more aware of their surroundings and player skill, instead of who shoots first?

[stoic mason]

Battledads had a chance to win with collision good luck now

[dusky yoke]

And to add that
Its more because you can be on a house and know you have rooms to retreat
In a tunnel you basically has the worst option when low on health or healing and it is basically the only thing you can do
But it can add other things like how into the enemy backlines you are or if the house isnt just being blow into bits

With is why i consider it more about awareness and player skill

[soft forge]

So you agree?

[dusky yoke]

On that front yeah it can help those and it can show who is self aware and has skill on that front
But there is something of the other side that is you can have a chance to outgun B because of the fact you just went trough him and adding does still shows who is self aware because it would be better to hide and heal or be in a position of advantage and wait for someone to come to you

But again im up to change it and if it doesnt work roll it back
But yeah i agree with your point of view

[azure lodge]

well done boys
way to ruin the game by getting us hard collision

[dusky yoke]

Honestly good chance to buff the melee weapons and suicide c4 since you cant run trough enemies anymore

[rugged pier]

This is gonna be a server setting that can be turned off right?

[azure lodge]

it will be everywhere my guy

[dusky yoke]

On community server i think yes

[winter moat]

no, it already was and hardly any community servers used it bcos it sucks, now it’s getting shipped to official servers for some reason

[soft forge]

The people know what they want, who is Oki to argue with them?

[winter moat]

the few people who claim they wanted hard collision will change their tune the very first time they run round a corner and get completely stopped in their tracks

[azure lodge]

I mean there is a reason the community server that tried to use hard collision removed it in record speeds again but good job that we have it on officials now too

[stoic mason]

Good thing I only play community servers

[dusky yoke]

I mean
We literally just have community servers lmao

And like 2 to 3 official ones whenever i put north america and south america

The ones i try to avoid the most is fast respawns with is becoming difficult and im just living with it

I kinda dont like how i can kill someone only for them to respawn 2 seconds later and kill me
Or when you cant kill that one guy and the entire squad just spawns on him in a instant

[balmy jay]

oh ya

[agile zealot]

So whens this actually going live so I can test it and review before going HHURRRR HURF BLURF GAMES DEAD OKI KILLED IT

[serene tundra]

Find a community server with it enabled

[quaint tendon]

they gonna need more than this shit

[frail stratus]

Woah what a surprise the hard collision is jank and broken and won't be implemented

[leaden tangle]

delayed

Ofc it would be buggy the first time it's implemented.

[wanton kayak]

dude sometimes adding something in too fast can create bugs?

[winter moat]

this would maybe be a good point if it hadnt been an option for community servers for ages already, guess it was used so little that bugs were never found lol

[azure lodge]

this ^
it's not a new feature at all

[agile zealot]

brainlets who know nothing about programming piping up like they know what they're talking about

[crisp pier]

Sadge, collision not here

yet

[covert spindle]

It was removed again, for technical reasons

[crisp pier]

Yea i read it

[frail stratus]

Wasn't the first time

It's been in community servers for ever

The reason no one had it on was cuz it was shit

It's still shit

Which was why it wasn't implemented

[kind badger]

I know Oki has seen people talking about it, but I want to reiterate, I think soft collision would make a lot of people who are against traditional collision much more ok with it

except riot shield users, let them be a literal wall imo, lol

[pallid stream]

Riot shield users don't exist

[azure lodge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1099658675632754691/1179892442565185707/tyyyy.gif?ex=657b6f77&is=6568fa77&hm=f857209598deaa22540a27fa1003fbe23cc4e8cf5874bedd821e77ef301061eb&

[lament niche]

The 8 people who disliked shows why you can’t use common sense with some people 💀.

[spiral plover]

no need for insults

[lament niche]

(How was that an insult?) If that was a insult to you, I’d like to see what you find “offensive”

[lament niche]

I could say you adding a emoji of salt is an “insult” cause it hurts my feelings.

[kind badger]

The number of times I see people saying they're going to collide in doorways is kinda telling... am I the only one who peeks doorways and corners instead of just sprinting thru every one?

[dusky yoke]

I remember yersteday trying to escape someone while healing and coming face to face with an enemy

I just kept dancing around his model and he couldnt hit me reliable

[feral urchin]

i want this solely to avoid those annoying situations when you and another player phase through each other when leaving/entering a building then the person with the highest sensistivity wins the quick draw when you turn around to shoot each other

[stoic mason]

Skkkkkilll iss aaaaaaaaa

[gloomy relic]

Good, and what are the downsides?

[gritty basin]

But not in tf2, same source engine

[dusky hinge]

Oh wow so you were evading in a gun fight and it worked? Or are you complaining about hit registration?

[dusky yoke]

dancing around the guy and going inside his character model so he cant even shoot me while i keep healing myself it is quite something

he even caught me while i was healing so i decided to do that because why not

he got out of ammo than i just pulled my gun and shot him

[feral urchin]

wasn't aware having your sensitivety on 300 instead of 200 was a skill? weird

[winter moat]

i mean its a choice, u cant set ur sens low and then be mad u cant do things that are enabled by high sens lol

[feral urchin]

still not a skill issue your point?

[winter moat]

i said what my point is? its dumb to complain ur allegedly solely losing fights bcos ur sens is too low, my brother in christ u chose the sens

[kind badger]

something something adjustable DPI something something

[mighty lantern]

Something something "Lower your sense to hit your shots easier"

[rain hare]

[feral urchin]

imagine trying to make a shot to 500 meters with max sensitivity

you can either be set up to fight at range or cap your settings at max for those one off instances you pass through a door the same time an enemy does you can't do both

i'd just rather not be in a situation that requires is who has the better settings for this one particular instance to win

[dense flint]

Man is speaking some interesting things that is true yet my small smooth brain can't appreciate it

[winter moat]

literally who is playing max sens lmao do u think snipers should be a oneshot anywhere at any range just so theyre not disadvantaged at close range too? or is that instance of making a choice into being advantaged in some situations and not others okay to u?

[quaint garnet]

You can set a different sensitivity for each scope zoom too check your settings

If you're trying to tap a guy from 500m away with a 1x scope then idk man

[mild iron]

What's bothering you friend?

[slim basalt]

never even felt this change so i guess it didnt effect me.

[quasi jetty]

it didn't go through

there is no way you wouldn't notice it, were it to have been successfully pushed

[slim basalt]

i thought it did tho

[quasi jetty]

well, anyone who's played since the update knows it was not

or anyone following the announcement channels

[slim basalt]

yeah i am a fucking idiot i dont read the announcments sorry

[mild iron]

It's not even going to be that big of a noticeable change for most players, and people who've relied on it for an advantage are going to be noticeable for a little bit.

[wanton kayak]

pretty much

[quasi jetty]

yes it will

have you ever played on a server with it?

[slim basalt]

thats the problem is why have it? isnt it just extra useless calculation that might make a slight difference?

the amount of players who actually enter enemy clumpage is so small and your life is just a couple seconds long when you enter such an area.

will it actually change anything? i dont think so. having useless calculation is just what it is ||useless||

[mild iron]

Possibly, I don't ever leave the community hardcore, voxel or tank anymore tho.

[mild iron]

I personally think it will make hammer fighting more enjoyable, if it's truly awful we go back no biggie.

[slim basalt]

it will make hammer fighting worse.

people with hammers wouldnt be able to actually not allow the enemy to shoot them and its just an easy hammer gets killed situation

[mild iron]

That sounds even better than I HOPED for!

Honestly, I don't see it I can't hammer inside someone any way.

[slim basalt]

dude i was attacked once in my 240 hour battlebit carrier

[quasi jetty]

really? It will make hammers much weaker.

you will abruptly halt as you hit them the first time

[mild iron]

I orbit people rather than run into them, cause you're missing swings if you're on the other side.

[quasi jetty]

the hitboxes are pretty wide so I think it would be a pretty big concern if they were trying to gun you down and move

[mild iron]

These kids don't know how to aim.

[slim basalt]

okay you might have a better hammer fight, somehow... but if you want a hammer fight i want to enter clumps of enemies. and this change doesnt allow me to and we both are very small percents of the population we are 1% of those who use hammers or are extremely aggressive.

i would say personally that the amount of players like me are larger than hammer people.

[mild iron]

[slim basalt]

i dont see the usefulness in this change, sure its not alot of extra computer calculation but it is. and you could say this thing is more realistic. but battlebit is specifically a non realistic game.

[quasi jetty]

collision would not be server side

very minor performance imapct for a client to check if they're colliding with nearby players

as long as not somehow uselessly optimised it would be negligible even on very weak hardware

[slim basalt]

still calculation.

i mean true its like 10 lines of code to make this

but idk. i appreciate entering a large amount of enemies. you enjoy "a more realistic feel" ig? so i am neutral you do you.

[quasi jetty]

a very simple implementation would just be more or less two if statements per player, assuming the distance to other players is known (I think it is)

though actually hitboxes are capsules rather than cylinders so it would be a little more expensive than that.

[viscid horizon]

cringe suggestion

simple as

[wanton kayak]

cringe critique of suggestion

simple as

[viscid horizon]

did I ask?

[wanton kayak]

you automatically ask for critiques of your critique when you type in here my guy

[viscid horizon]

no I don't

[wanton kayak]

this isn't #off-topic or #battlebit-eng where you just say something and expect no one to say something back

[mild iron]

kind of do.

[viscid horizon]

seethe

[quasi jetty]

erm… nobody asked you to say “seethe”

please leave the server immediately!

[viscid horizon]

cope

[soft forge]

@viscid horizon I HATE YOU

[viscid horizon]

ok

[dusky yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/mods-fill-his-stocking-with-coal-mods-christmas-lowtiergod-ltg-gif-12645377823045477295

[terse gazelle]

Any words on this? It was approved, then didnt make it into the update because of an issue and since then, radio silence.

[mellow solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meow-angry-pet-hiss-gif-16838272

[onyx lion]

issues, but working on it.

[terse gazelle]

How do you know?

Is it Okis alt?

[narrow grove]

oki said he had to take it out of the update because it had issues and would add it later

[terse gazelle]

Thats what I said above, yes

[narrow grove]

do you think he's not working on it or something?

[terse gazelle]

Just an update

[mighty lantern]

Probably just working on other stuff?

[bright oak]

Ooof

[bold ermine]

@bright oak why is your pfp sleeping

[bright oak]

im very sleeepy

[bold ermine]

@bright oak make some space in the bed. I am hopping in

snoman pulled the blanket all for himself 😡

[fading wren]

Battlebit makes people want to sleep

[balmy jay]

So there's ally collision but no enemy collision?

[mighty lantern]

There is no collision

[onyx lion]

enemy collision would help a lot with melee, shields and cqb, while friendly collision might make dying to one dude a lot harder, it might also be kind of shit to deal with.

[safe iris]

rogue soldiers hc has this

[balmy jay]

my bad I thought the community server I frequented used official settings, it doesn't

which is good because the type they used was shit, making people float and fly to make room

[serene tundra]

bold to assume theres more than 1 type

[mellow solstice]

[viscid horizon]

this right here is why the suggestion channel sucks
people that haven't played the game are allowed to post here

[onyx lion]

I mean he's not in the server anymore

[crisp pier]

We should prolly let people put stuff here if they at least yap to rank 1

[snow lark]

yap yap

[spiral plover]

yap yap yappy yap yap?

[snow lark]

yap yap yappy

[terse gazelle]

We have gathered here today, to mourn the loss of a suggestion that was meant to be implemented but didn't make it. He was way too young for him to meet this demise this early. You will never be forgotten. RIP "Add enemy collision" 2023-2024

[mighty lantern]

It did make it, just was buggy (As per usual)

[terse gazelle]

It never went life though no?

It was announced in #dev-wip but then cut because it was bugged. Maybe patreons got a playtest or something

[mighty lantern]

It was tested, deemed buggy and was put into the "It will get its turn" line

[terse gazelle]

R.I.P then, until resurrection

[serene tundra]

no.

[dusky yoke]

Shoot me in the foot if it was an actual bug and not just a excuse to not implement it

[snow lark]

it's kinda meh tbh
at least the version that is active on that one hardcore server

[shell swan]

Actual bug

Sprinting disabled collision

Go get ur gun

[mighty lantern]

He doesnt know

[dusky yoke]

No gun but i gave a bow and sling

Just need an arrow or a rock and actually hit my intended target with it

[supple helm]

Basically some people were using it to fly

which sounds crazy on paper but yes two people phrone walking into each other causes tesla to launch the 2 military block guy rocket into the sky

[small crescent]

More or less crazy than laying prone in a destroyed jeep, then jumping and surfing into the sky?

[supple helm]

Vortex showed me that, both equally as comical