Player Movement - Feedback

[cedar flicker]

also, shit like this is really funny, and if you disagree then you hate fun and love curb stomping puppies

[tough reef]

Ain't that much of a flank now is it then? No more funny running around in cqc though is a good thing

[cedar flicker]

counterpoint: anime pfp

[tough reef]

Valid

[snow ruin]

Not everyone is a meta slave

[umbral frigate]

brotha

This is like saying "the vector nerf is only a nerf if you use the vector"

its vacuous

[snow ruin]

why does the game have 7k players daily and dropping bro we cant figure it out

ex millitary and retired police officers salivating at being able to lay prone near a doorway with an lmg and block anyone using their keyboard and mouse

how are people crying about players using movement lmfao just aim is this real

too many old bad company 2 players in here crying they cant use their thermal scope M4 build with ultra advanced tripod and spotter team

[iron axle]

If someone is in your way, simply shoot them

[snow ruin]

and i will just annoying to deal with simply nerfing everything to cater to milsim players is hilarious how many times has medic and smgs been nerfed now

[iron axle]

I hope we get a milsim mode and we can both be happy

[snow ruin]

truth

[granite gust]

Collision is a good decision. Next on the list of things to get rid of is dropshotting

[zinc dove]

people seem to not get its enemy collision. so to remove the problem kill the guy you would want to kill anyway

[young lichen]

i think people do get it but they don't like that their first response isn't running thru the enemy

Which tbf, part of me likes that interaction, but still

[granite gust]

I took advantage of the collision thing a lot against less experienced players, but it was ridiculous that it existed. Glad it's gone

[fathom bobcat]

Snipers and dmrs have never been nerfed though💀

Neither have support weapons

[snow ruin]

lmao right

[zinc dove]

my man definetly has not known how much the recon class was nerfed before launch lol

[sly rain]

Support weapons started nerfed, except for the l86 depending on who you ask

[next drift]

A problem needs solution. A hard to get rid problem needs few solutions.

[wraith timber]

😭

[glacial drift]

medic nerfs I guess could be said once since launch (Weapon reclassification is only one I know of)
SMGs 3 times (the single vector nerf (50m to like 10m max damage range) and the more branching one later on, a UMP buff (making it a 3 tap at 650 RPM) and than a UMP rof nerf (600 RPM)

[glacial drift]

L86 depending who you ask

recall the 32 damage to 31 which made it unable to 3 tap?

[glacial drift]

snipers glint in latest update ; medium scopes now have glint

I suppose a indirect nerf could be said for M200 due to removal of damage increasers on barrels

[glacial drift]

bit of a odd thing to say but, aim shoot

they can't block it if they are dead afterall

[lunar stream]

c4 my beloved

[next drift]

Fuck C4

Real men use grenades for free kills

[lunar stream]

i use both

[opal bluff]

Would like to suggest a reduction in player movement speed, mostly in sprint speed. This could encourage more cautioned movement , taking advantage of cover in movement and discourage the blind sprint across open space and out run weapons fire.
Close quarters combat would also become bit more of a positional game, rather than just being able to run though and clear a building.

[atomic swan]

can't switch to secondary with toggle to ADS on unless you manually unADS. This inadvertandly punishes toggle to ADS players as now to quickly pull out your sidearm you must also remember to unADS at the same time

Basically lost several gunfights because of it

[cerulean steppe]

i mean that should be changed but also ew toggle ads

also idk but feels more like a gunplay feedback lol

[blazing hemlock]

I would be fine with reduced movement speed if the maps weren't 50% dead space run and pray you don't get shot

[sly rain]

It'd make smoke more viable

[violet lark]

use a vehicle. that's what they're for.

i mean, even if there are no vehicles - chances are that the map was designed with plenty of cover. even if vehicles weren't abundant, than i guess the more reasonable argument would be to add more transports than to justify the current move speed.

there's also other factors like squad spawning, smokes, relay spawning.

I'm sorry, i really don't see why an open field should justify extreme player movement speed when there are so many resources in this game, including the decision NOT running through an open field all by yourself. its an argument used a lot and i think its just silly.

[cedar flicker]

"chances are that the map was designed with plenty of cover"
valley
waki
sandy sunset
azagor
eduardovo
isle
multu islands
oil dunes
river
wine paradise

all of these maps have long stretches of open fields with no cover, and vehicles are a very limited resource, especially on 127v127

they just don't respawn fast enough to be viable, and there's not enough of them scattered around the map

[next drift]

There is more vehicles in main base that is required to fit your all team

They are not limited

[cedar flicker]

lmao, no

i've played plenty of rounds where all the vehicles are used up and they have to slowly trickle back

[next drift]

Bad asset management is all on the players

[cedar flicker]

l m a o

yeah let me just tard wrangle my 126 teammates to not waste vehicles

rather than, yknow, having the maps be more traversible

[granite gust]

We can't really know how the playerbase would manage vehicles in a bb:r with lower running speed, but universally bad asset management points to poor design, not player fault

[young lichen]

Thing is, momentum/inertia is the big thing I see complaints about; Not max speed. Slight direction changes and moving quick should make that a non issue for the most part I feel.

plus as others have mentioned, smoke can heavily alleviate the vulnerability, and let you get distance, throw some cover down in smoke, then you're usually safe from whatever threat you're avoiding

[zinc dove]

i just have problems with keeping the speed in tight turns and turning midair while also keeping the speed. so far as I know the top speed in a straight line is not a major problem

[amber gulch]

lmao based

[snow ruin]

I feel like making it to where you slow down or even stop sprinting when you do a hard turn would make it perfectly fine in my opinion. This is a casual team based game, and making movement too slow would make it a more serious team based game that less people would play. I do think being a team based game, you should be punished for being caught in the open, but if you can sprint directly to cover then fair enough.

[young lichen]

thats what peiple refer to when they talk about momentum and inertia mostly. a very vocal group of people im specifically these channels are super hard against it

[snow ruin]

vocal about keeping movement the way it is with the fast turns and lack of momentum?

[young lichen]

Yes.

Hold up i'll link to some of it

Starting around here. Just lots of arguing saying "its fine as is" vs "crackhead medics and full momentum hurt my soul" basically

[snow ruin]

I scrolled back and saw some

[young lichen]

Personally, I can't stand having absolutely 0 momentum on movement. It's a lot better when collision will be added, but still just kinda silly and made me lose a lot of investment/immersion with the game

[snow ruin]

agreed

[vernal aspen]

that’s what made you lose immersion?

not the graphics, the gunplay, reviving,

[young lichen]

People@flying around like it's titanfall in an otherwise covershooter feeling game? yes.

[vernal aspen]

the movement?

lmfao go play a milsim man this is an arcade game let it be one

[young lichen]

Point and case ig @snow ruin.

[lunar stream]

"this is an arcade" never gets old

[young lichen]

Fr. This isnt cod lmfao

[lunar stream]

🍿

[snow ruin]

[young lichen]

It isnt super realistic but like the movement is unfun with no restrictions imo.

[vernal aspen]

name a non arcade game people hit 300 kills in a round in

[young lichen]

And as i've said before, it isnt even a "i die too much" kinda issue, its at least a 50/50 in my favor at this rate, but spinning around like i'm playing an aim trainer just takes me way out of the game

[lunar stream]

make it skill based and people will stop complaining because they got actually outskilled and not out parkinsoned 🗣️

[vernal aspen]

people complain about p90 you think they’ll care that they’re worse

[snow ruin]

would not being able to turn at mock ten ruin your gaming experience @vernal aspen?

[vernal aspen]

movement is fun

[young lichen]

mach ten 🤓

[snow ruin]

that movement isn't fun

[vernal aspen]

zoom zoom is fun

[snow ruin]

and takes away from being a team based game

[vernal aspen]

💀

[young lichen]

Its fun sure, for some, but not when half of the peeps are slowly creeping forward and playing tactically and the SMG assault flies across the map and kills you before you know what happened

[vernal aspen]

what team based game lol you think we play to win

[young lichen]

and speedy classes have a place in the game, but they need to be balanced, not as absurd as they are

Shit, I started playing apex and people are easier to hit in that game

[vernal aspen]

u think they’re OP?

[snow ruin]

squad of 9 people, can send orders, you have voip, rally points, teammates healing, building cover, and supplying ammo

[young lichen]

They're obnoxious and have no counterplay due to 100% movement control

[lunar stream]

to my knowledge bbr is the only "arcade" game that has this (fyi this shit's supposed to be a tactical fps bridging the gap between bf and squad)

[snow ruin]

don't care about the w, team play is fun

[vernal aspen]

u can sit in a corner with an m249 and drop 220 kills i don’t need to movement spam to drop high kill games

[snow ruin]

not about sitting in corners brother

[lunar stream]

🧢

[vernal aspen]

#bb-scoreboard-screenshots message

[young lichen]

Especially the rezzes. Theres dragging for a reason lmfao

[snow ruin]

I genuinely don't care how good you personally do in a game

[vernal aspen]

idk man i never have a problem aiming at people and killing them and when i do it’s bc they outskilled me 🥱

[lunar stream]

less effective than zoom zoom and you didn't just sit in a corner, that's just not doable in this game

[snow ruin]

skill issue? meh

[lunar stream]

"outskilled" by parkinson is so funny

[vernal aspen]

i got 11 kills less than lonely playing smg assault that game it’s very effective

[young lichen]

can you read? its not about skill. Its about not wanting to break your wrist playing a game

[lunar stream]

to how many deaths?

[snow ruin]

I don't care how well you personally do. it's objective game modes with big teams

[lunar stream]

yet still "sitting in a corner" is just cap

[vernal aspen]

my wrist is intact buddy

[young lichen]

Some people don't want a super intense experience. I kill most cqc speed abusing arses like that, and I never enjoy it because it throws any kind of strategy into the garbage when you can zerg rush anything that moves

[vernal aspen]

sit behind corner is an exaggeration i sat behind hedges and peeked

[young lichen]

Its counterable, but i don't care, begause that isnt the issue. the issue is the enjoyment of the game. And the collision poll seems to coincide with that.

[snow ruin]

another good point

[lunar stream]

you do that a lot with every gun tho?
but w/e you can't be argued with on the topic of movement and tactics, have a nice day or whatever it is where you are rn

[vernal aspen]

point was i didn’t airstrafe spam

[young lichen]

Then you wouldn't have any issue chief

minor momentum changes don't screw people who don't abuse it

its literally for people who zigzag and flail like psychos

[vernal aspen]

i do normally just not for that match

[umbral frigate]

schlamm literally cannot comprehend someone doing well with support lmao. Hes probably been playing it for so long and always thought it was the worst class in the game!

[lunar stream]

yeah but that just shows how much of a non requirement it is

[vernal aspen]

couldn’t do that on medic

support gets a bunch of armor and ammo to spam choke

[snow ruin]

you aren't supposed to do that as a medic

brother, you're supposed to heal and revive

[young lichen]

inbr "medic is supposed to be rezzing and healing"

[vernal aspen]

💀

[young lichen]

shite he beat me to it.

[vernal aspen]

who the fuck cares

[snow ruin]

people trying to play a team game

[young lichen]

Fr

[umbral frigate]

Ill do what i want on medic, thank you

[umbral frigate]

Bbr is explicitly not a team game.

[snow ruin]

you still can

[lunar stream]

sure buddy
you're kidding yourself if you think you can play support as aggressively as assault and succed

[young lichen]

I'll just post this as an example since if arguing goes nowhere. I think it speaks for itself. You're free to believe its fair. And with collision its getting a decent nerf. But god this just feels moronic to look at after a certain point

[umbral frigate]

Not what I said but okay

[young lichen]

literal swuad system with squad points and team-based coms"
bro what

[lunar stream]

it is, literally in the marketing

[umbral frigate]

#bbr-news message This game has always supported the lone wolf playstyle. Oki has said this explicitly and he has done nothing to indicate otherwise since

[lunar stream]

no ik that you argued against me, i just don't care

[vernal aspen]

nothing wrong here, he’s kept constantly back bc hes still getting shot

[umbral frigate]

It also suplorts a team oriented playstyle, but it is in no way meant to force players to play as a team

[vernal aspen]

he has to duck into cover to heal but that player knows he likely dies if he doesn’t heal

ur proving ur self wrong

[young lichen]

Not meant to force teamplay, yeah, but It has a ton of those design choices for a reason. It's meant to be somewhere inbetween

[vernal aspen]

if you want to play obj that’s fine just don’t pretend the game has to be that way

[young lichen]

Irrelevant argument sir

[snow ruin]

it doesn't, you can still lone wolf without strafing at fast speeds

you just might not live for 2 minutes out in the open

you know...with dudes trying to shoot you the whole time

[wraith timber]

Me questioning why it's such a big problem when it's forward only and people basically can't shoot back

[lunar stream]

that's the thing, it isn't forward

[wraith timber]

Give us pf movement itll be funny

[lunar stream]

if it's skill based i'll take it

[young lichen]

Yeah uniroinixally I's rather have 100% full momentum control in every directiom because at least then I could just run backwards to counter this shit lol

Its the fact you have to face forward that causes a lot of the goody issues. collision was a big part of my issue as well but that seems to be a nonissue now

[wraith timber]

I mean kinda

[wraith timber]

Instead of this youll just get mfs doing 180 superjumps instead

[vernal aspen]

add bf4 movement

[wraith timber]

Collision got cancelled

[vernal aspen]

it has inertia 😈

i promise it’s not 10x more broken than movement now

[wraith timber]

😭

[lunar stream]

they take skill tho don't they?
fuck i'd be down for ultrakill inertia/momentum/acceleration idfk how to call it

[young lichen]

its down cuz it caused bugs but planned to return last I heard

[wraith timber]

You press space and prone and wazzah

[vernal aspen]

you’d just get more people complaining

[lunar stream]

(it takes skill)

[wraith timber]

Ultrakill movement with hitscan guns

[young lichen]

at least then itd be even playing field instead of this goofy ass "ring around the rosie" momentum bullshit

[vernal aspen]

average player doesn’t care

they care they’re getting shit on

add jump shotting pls

[wraith timber]

I mean you can

[lunar stream]

thing is, i am against air spinning, but not because i get oh so outskilled all the time (it's the random ass mf coming from the side i just made sure no one would be coming from) but because i like my skill based and slightly more flavorful movement systems

[wraith timber]

Just gotta aim for China instead of the player

[lunar stream]

already in

[vernal aspen]

so you would support adding bf4 movement? bugs and all?

[lunar stream]

you mean sending your hitbox to the shadow realm? vuzu and zuzu or how ever that shit was called?

[vernal aspen]

yessir

[umbral frigate]

Im sorry but to say that movement in this game takes no skill is just wrong and shows that you actually dont know all that much about movement in this game at all.

Inb4 “but its just wiggling your mouse!!”. No. Movement is not all dodging when you cant shoot back. Good movement allows you do make yourself hard to hit WHILE shooting.

[lunar stream]

then no, buuuuut buff the inertia (faster, easier, smoother and more responsive i mean) and keep all the funny bhopping, jumpy shit and what not

[vernal aspen]

but it’s skillful, no?

[young lichen]

Exaxtly. Idk who is into cheap strats in games like this, but like... it just feels boring.

[lunar stream]

but it's a bug that literally yeets your hitbox if i was told the correct info on that

[young lichen]

Idc much about most momentum, I just dont want full 100% momentum cuz people have and will continue to exploit it

[umbral frigate]

I’d like to see “movement takes no skill” mfs try to do this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1179272456553377832/1179276852905398292/LegendaryRoboSweat.mp4?ex=65793227&is=6566bd27&hm=d5a1bb3982891cb97f53ad6810b37eaeb73af86fad103d39daade41ec0cf2b87&

[vernal aspen]

bug / feature

[lunar stream]

wdym, robo or the guy fragging out on that cuddle pile?

[umbral frigate]

Robo

[snow ruin]

What does that clip have to do with punishing mouse spam to avoid bullets?

[vernal aspen]

if you were in the same spot as robo you would have died is what hes getting at i think

[snow ruin]

Again, skill issue?

[lunar stream]

i don't think deliberately adding bugs to a game is a good idea, anyhow all good movement systems are unique in what they offer and oftentimes find themselves with pretty unconventional stuff and just copying a buggy system wouldn't be the way to go, inspired certainly but not 1 to 1 copied

[vernal aspen]

if you add it deliberately it's not a bug

[umbral frigate]

Im saying movement has plenty of skill. Just because the only movement you know how to do is waving your mouse around doesnt mean thats the only movement tech in the game.

[snow ruin]

Yeah, when did I ever say anything about it not taking skill?

[vernal aspen]

also ngl old chum you dying there was a bit of a skill issue

[lunar stream]

borked animations for prone and robo had the advantage, not say that wasn't skillfull but we certainly don't have movement and shooting entertwined very much

[snow ruin]

All I want is to mitigate hard mouse turns to avoid bullets

Zig zagging is fine, speed it fine

[umbral frigate]

Wait are you actuallly saying that movement in that clip didnt take skill?

[lunar stream]

definitions i suppose, it's a bug in bf and deliberately destroying hitboxes is not really that cool, especially with how fucky bbr gets - and i don't think any sane dev would do that
again, better inertia than bf4 and maybe we'll get some funy techniqes out of it

[vernal aspen]

add bhopping

[lunar stream]

not that much tbh, mostly positioning from what i can tell

[vernal aspen]

add more stable jumpshotting

[lunar stream]

it's pretty stable

[vernal aspen]

no...

[lunar stream]

well not when both are on the same hight, but dropping on enemies is just 🤌

[umbral frigate]

This is my whole point btw

[vernal aspen]

i think @lunar stream is also forgetting that you cant shoot while doing this movement

[lunar stream]

hey can i just say i like that this conversation is civil ❤️

[vernal aspen]

you can just wait for them to finish their "spasm" and shoot them

hardly the most oppressive mechanic

[lunar stream]

not really required if you can just dip behind cover or start blasting in an instant

[snow ruin]

I mean, in a 1v1 that's great

How often do you get in a 1v1?

[vernal aspen]

lots lol

[wraith timber]

Prefire the corner ggez

[lunar stream]

spinning around snipers is certainly something

[lunar stream]

literally what i'm doing when getting out of my seizure xD

[snow ruin]

So you get 200 kills, and they're mostly 1v1 battles? Lol

[vernal aspen]

i didnt say mostly

youd be surprised how little movement is actually needed

most of the time you can position yourself around the enemy to get bunches of them

most of the movement I do is crouch leaning, I only air strafe to dodge to get behind cover

[snow ruin]

So for you it's a minor feature that doesn't add much to the game?

[vernal aspen]

no, for when I need it its a tool to be used

just like a laser is a minor feature but I wouldn't want that removed

[snow ruin]

I mean, that's everything you can in a game. But if it wasn't there, would it really effect your play style much?

[vernal aspen]

yeah, for sure

everything would just be clunkier, moving around, parkour, and yes dodging bullets

you wouldnt be able to peek something and then realize something was wrong and high tail it

game would change for the worse thats for sure

[snow ruin]

I feel like there could be a happy medium between zig zagging and doing parkour, and limit going full speed left and right. Cod has some of the fastest movement in shooters and doesn't even have that

[vernal aspen]

to be honest I'm not really sure what the argument against the current movement is, for some it seems that they percieve it as unskilful, and some percieve it as oppressive. If the movement was the same, but we change the skill required to do it you would be happier?

also cod movement sucks (ltalking about mw2) its slow and clunky as hell

[snow ruin]

For me, I just don't like that you can go constantly back and forth at 180° and not lose any speed whatsoever

[lunar stream]

yeah but it gets quite stale after a while, one of the reasons i sometimes play support
also at this point i am parkisoning half my shots due to compensating for leaning, while not leaning, or very rapid movement leading to the most jittery ass aim you'll ever see

[snow ruin]

I don't care to necessarily take any speed out of the game, I love playing fast games and flanking

I even zig zag a lot, but I genuinely think the fast sprints left and right are a bit much and take away from other aspects of the game that could lead to better combat with less spammy moves.

[vernal aspen]

ok, let's dive deeper. why don't you like it?

[lunar stream]

alr bb guys was fun having an actually civil and sensible discussion

❤️

[snow ruin]

We're all people just trying to enjoy a game and make it better in our own way. Good community is what this game is about

[next drift]

Truth never get's old

[wraith timber]

If its a 1vx its not a fight its me pulling out the magic bricks

[snow ruin]

I mean, I was just surprised. I rarely get into 1v1 combat unless I'm sneaking up on a sniper or run into someone while hunting for spawn points. 1vX I only engage if it's advantageous to do so, but that's just my play style preference. For me I get a bigger dopamine hit from clearing objectives or doing stealthy hit and run tactics

[thick fulcrum]

name an arcade game that doesn't have any form of inertia
it's not that this game should be less arcady, is that less broken =/= less arcady
every arcady game has inertia in one way or another because it benefits the formula, it allows counterplay to people spamming all the keys

[wraith timber]

Bad business

[thick fulcrum]

Fantastic, and then i can go on for minutes naming every game most people here will recognize
Inertia has been one of the pillars of arcade games for more than 30 years, and it's one of the main reasons most of them work how they do
Counter Strike would not exist today without it

[wraith timber]

[thick fulcrum]

But it's true though?

Let's go!
(I should probably copypaste this somewhere)

• Every COD game from wost to best
• Every Battlefield game
• Team Fortress 1 and 2
• Every Counter Strike
• Every Halo game
• Valorant
• Titanfall (the apex of movement shooters has a small amount, because it doesn't rely on jank-ass movement to make the gameplay fast)
• Half Life 1 and 2

[wraith timber]

Mfw cs and val

[thick fulcrum]

CS has been a successful game for over 20 years now
I don't see why you feel like that's such a horrible example to bring up unless it's "i just don't like this game so it doesn't count"

I'm not a counter strike fan, i don't really care for it, but it's a multi-million dollar game, and if you take the inertia away it fucking dies

[umbral frigate]

I dont know why youre doing this. Non of this matters.

[thick fulcrum]

That is a very compelling argument

[wraith timber]

Me when the tac fps probably built on intertia idk has inertia

[umbral frigate]

Those games are not battlebit. Battlebit is not meant to be like those games. Those games have high ttk, and thus have slower movement. Battlebit has extremely low ttk and thus faster movement. Even if that werent true there is still no reason bbr should have the same movement as other games because bbr is not other games.

[thick fulcrum]

CS - high ttk

[umbral frigate]

CS and Val are tactical

[snow ruin]

Titanfall 2 brother

[thick fulcrum]

When the thing that reduces erratic and unbalanced movement is in almost every FPS known to man

[wraith timber]

Low ttk high ttk confusion ep.2774

[thick fulcrum]

It's not about making it slow
It's about making it balanced

[wraith timber]

When ow has no inertia (higher skill ceiling)

When the this is completely fuckin off track

[thick fulcrum]

No? That's a low skill high reward mechanic and has always been

[wraith timber]

[thick fulcrum]

There is no ignoring that, it is several orders of magnitude easier to do than to counter

If that isn't unbalanced i don't know what is (ok maybe c4 lol)

[wraith timber]

This is one of the statements of all time

[umbral frigate]

Just read this bro #1170730270492721253 message

[wraith timber]

Rpg heat

Ap mines inside walls 😭

[young lichen]

One of the only recent ones I've played that doesn't seem to have super significant momentum/inertia is Apex Legends when you're ADS and moving slowly, and that feels fine imo. But the moment you have full sprint with no momentum in place it just feels broken

[thick fulcrum]

When there are multiple things that need rebalancing but i like one of them so we CANNOT change it in any way until the rest of the game is squeaky clean

[young lichen]

Even games with airstrafing (tf2, cs:go bhopping) have a limit on how fast you can turn

you can build up insane speed with it, but your turning speed is severely limited as you build up speed

[thick fulcrum]

I know, i'm not talking about games having super significant inertia, i'm talking about games having inertia
It's not really a "we need to make it so you take 2 seconds to wind up your speed" and more so "a bit of momentum would stop people doing fighter jet maneuvers around the enemy"

[umbral frigate]

The question is why. Why do CS and TF2 limit air strafing, and does that also apply to bbr?

[wraith timber]

When oki probably won't listen unless there's a discord poll for it

[young lichen]

Yes exaxtly. at high speeds it gets SO goofy to the point of being absurd, which is my point; We're not even arguigm for insane inertia and making you feel like you're driving a bus or something

You will still have a lot of mobility, it will just have some kind of limit

[thick fulcrum]

I mean, people that wanna keep doing it have a lot to gain in telling everyone we're suggesting tarkov inertia

[young lichen]

fr

Ultrakill even has momentum and that game is bonkers fast too

[thick fulcrum]

I think one of the funniest things i've seen in this discord when inertia discussions showed up was:

• "This is just roblox, why do you care" instead of taking a good game for it's merits

[young lichen]

Like literally every multiplayer and almost every single player one has it

[umbral frigate]

Stop trying to make it seem like we think you want huge amounts of intertia. We know exactly what you want, we just dont like it. It doesnt matter what amount of inertia you are talking about.

[young lichen]

then battlebit will bleed players when the toxic sweaty tryhards invade frankly

Its why I havent played for more than an hour in weeks.

[wraith timber]

Uh someones late

[thick fulcrum]

Then why have i seen people specifically tell they changed their mind when it was explained that it WASN'T tarkov inertia?
There are legitimately people in here trying to fear monger about it to newcomers to the discussion
Look i wish it wasn't the case, i wish more people were here in good faith, but there still is a lot of that
Have you seen the amount of random trolling and memeing this place had a month ago specifically to derail the thread?
People were spamming shit just so any discussion couldn't happen

[young lichen]

I keep running into people who abuse this shit, and enemies infinitely spawning from the big rat king of enemies right in the frontline, and getting left to bleed out because respawning is such a nonissue and mobilitt is SO fast that it's worse than any other so-called "Arcade" shooter i've ever played

[wraith timber]

Its all fun n games till oki just drops a discord poll

[young lichen]

half of the game mechanics that made me want to play in the first place, are invalidated by janky and poorly aged mechanics

lack of Inertia is one of those. And it's infuriating to see a wonderful game I want to play feel frustrating and lackluster because these issues aren't getting buffed out

to say it's a difference of opinion is to totally overlook the laughably awful balance issues these things bring to the game.

[thick fulcrum]

I got a few friends hooked on the premise
Played a few rounds, things were going well, they got frustrated because of the amount of people spinning around with SMGs
Now only like 1 of them still plays

[young lichen]

Yes. this 100%

[thick fulcrum]

Comp players or whatever might like how easy to game it is, but this shit pushes away new players like nothing else

[wraith timber]

All the good and tarded points aside this is just gonna come down to a discord poll anyway 😭

[young lichen]

A friend got me in it and we loved it, but too many people have defaulted to these gimmicks

He doesn't play it at all anymore except for a day when an update drops... then gets irritated with the aforementioned balance issues and stops again

[young lichen]

oh 100%. But i'm still gonna make my case for why this is important, and why it's an established mechanic in most shooters.

[young lichen]

old players too, my friend I mentioned was playing it for months before he stopping playing.

[thick fulcrum]

It's kinda hard to get a good measure on this, especially because a lot of the people who DO want inertia aren't here anymore
They got too frustrated to keep going

[wraith timber]

Shrimply drop the at everyone discord poll

[snow ruin]

I feel like knowing the developers were heavily influenced by Squad and Battlefield, it's sort of just something they didn't consider when they were making the game as light as it is to run. I personally don't want it to be seen as an unintended gameplay mechanic that everyone likes

[amber gulch]

Would be as easy as making a new mode that has these tweaks and running another free weekend while monitoring whether new players favor the slower mode or not

[zinc dove]

problem is, if its not the main mode people play it will not be more popular, new players wouldn't even know to check it out

[snow ruin]

It's early access still, just try it one update, if it ruins gameplay then hot fix

[amber gulch]

People will click on anything that has the "new!" tag on it no matter how dog it is e.g. Invasion

[tough reef]

Lack of inertia and dumb ass movement isn't really a problem just a minor inconvenience, nothing stops you from waiting till the funny clown gets tired of wiggling his mouse and shoot him as you will have at least some form of advantage already being preaimed at him, the inconvenient part is that this player may accidentally wiggle their way out of danger, getting you shot cos you wait for their circus performance to end etc etc. and if even it's a rare occurrence it's still one nonetheless. Might as well be that movement is being left alone for now cos it's a controversial topic, could have at least had an somewhat official statement if this wiggling funny is intentional design or biproduct that was left cos good enough

[zinc dove]

minor if they are far away and in the open

up close in buildings/cities, good luck

[amber gulch]

I've danced through someone's whole clip while standing 5m away reviving someone they had just killed

[tough reef]

Never had an issue with cqc wiggle buddies really, apart from my own skill issue monkey brain holds the trigger, just waiting for them to stop or repositioning to throw off expectation works fine

It's just looks dumb, that's about it

I mean not only looks, it IS dumb but not the most glaring issue really

[wraith timber]

😭

[zinc dove]

unless they have c4, or suicide c4, or you have any weapon that has less than 30 rounds.

[tough reef]

Speaking, of a kind of test environment for daring changes would be a cool thing

[tough reef]

Well, I mean, c4 is cringe with or without movement so

[snow ruin]

I honestly feel like it shouldn't be as controversial of a topic as it is. It's a poor gameplay mechanic that to me seems unintentional. In a thread about movement feedback, it's the only thing I care to mention which is a good thing, but still a thing

[young lichen]

this is my thing. Why are so many people DEAD SET against it

Like how often do yall do full 180 degree FULL BLAST SPRINTS in a match?

And even when you do, innertia isn't gonna make you instantly die or something, it's just gonna take at most half a second to transition from moving one direction to another

[umbral frigate]

It doesn't matter whether its intentional or not. Unintentional mechanics become features all the time.

[amber gulch]

Yeah it's already one

And one that a lot of people want to see gone, so

[snow ruin]

I know that, why do you think I'm here saying anything? I think the game would be better without it

[glacial drift]

Hearts of Iron?

[glacial drift]

ammo is a fair point, armor is debatable at best

[umbral frigate]

The marketing is supposed to get as many people to buy the game as possible. A major selling point is that you can play as a team. The fact that you can also not play as a team isnt as big of a selling point, so I'm not surprised marketing wouldnt mention that.

[glacial drift]

well it is marketing itself as teamwork is apart of the identity

[sly rain]

That ain't even what explicitly means

[wraith timber]

Bbr least confusing identity crisis

[umbral frigate]

This is what I am referring to when I say explicitly. #bbr-news message Maybe I shouldnt say that it is "not a team game" and instead say that it "is a solo game"? idk

[amber gulch]

Whatever you think about his vision on there, the fact of the matter is it got him sales and a game that was on a death spiral within months, so you can indulge in some magical thinking and hope that this time around it will different despite the core gameplay loop remaining unchanged or try and ponder why all those people left despite having already bought the game (hint: perhaps matching marketing-induced expectations to gameplay actually matters).

[violet lark]

what does player movement have anything to do with being a lone wolf? you can be a lone wolf in stationary carnival shooting game and stick to your own target rather than helping your neighbor. the point of the quote (from 5 years ago) was that teamplay was just going to be a suggestion and not necessary for survival, but beneficial regardless and a better time overall. it was going to be a causual game from then on and he even used battlefield as an example, which does have inertia.

in fact (takes out uno reverse card) i'd argue that people who apply airstafing as a skill are hardcore players themselves - in a sense that they believe player movement should have a lot of depth and skill to master.

[sand swan]

Just deal with movement when you split into a milsim and normal mode.

The air strafing is one of the remaining highlights in this game, IMO.

[amber gulch]

Yeah I'm sure people look at the Steam trailers and go "wow this is the only FPS in 2023 that lets me move like a bugged out NPC, I should totally buy it"

[sand swan]

Movement is smooth, any spasms are due to poor lag compensation.

Plus, what got me into the game weren't trailers. It was a group of friends urging me to join them during the playtest.

The game itself looked unappealing to me, but between the chaotic nature of 256 players, proximity chat, anyone being able to revive, destructable buildings, and the absurdity of mines, I was sold.

[next drift]

When terribly designed movement physics is a "highlight" for anyone you know someone is fucked up in thier head and have priorities out of thier ass

Very fun gunplay? No. High hardware accesibility? No. Unprecedented game size? Also no.
Visual simplicity and overall amazing vibe? You guessed it, no.

Says a lot about this game playerbase, when movement that wouldn't be acceptable in 2000's shooter is seen as something good and to be latched on

[sand swan]

Gunplay was good.

Until they added aimpunch and nerfed SMGs

2000s shooter is fun ig

I need movement, if I can't zip around like in TF|2, then I'll take the next best thing: full air control.

[amber gulch]

Great idea, let's just replace all the soldiers with LittleBirds

BattleHelicopters: Rechoppered

[sand swan]

127v127 LittleBird pre-nerf would be pretty dope.

Dogfighting in BB is pretty fun.

[iron axle]

Get in here and vote: https://discord.com/channels/303681520202285057/1181767625462784070

[amber gulch]

RIP best thread in the Discord

[lyric gorge]

silenced by society

[lyric gorge]

Is there any action you can do with the sprint button while aiming?
Cause I find it kinda clunky having to stop aiming then sprint. Sometimes it doesn't even start sprinting despite me holding the sprint button for some reason

[amber gulch]

Stabilise sway on long scopes?

[lyric gorge]

ah I see. I've still not use the bolt actions

Guess my issue with going from aiming to sprint is that if you try strafe sprinting it sometimes just fails to sprint, like it doesn't happen

seems like if I don't start the sprint proper after going off ads, then it's over

it won't sprint until I press shift again

but If I spam shift to correct this, it stops sprinting cause I got on toggle

the thing is, when you're just walking and go into sprinting with shift it just works

even while strafing and moving forward

[rose dune]

From the perspective of whoever is playing the movement is clean and fluid, but from the point of view of someone who is aiming it looks like a cockroach that has taken drugs.
In short, the movement is very fast and the lack of inertia makes it worse

[glacial drift]

didn't they change flinch to be damaged based & such?

[slate mantle]

yuh

it was downscaled for most guns as a result

[eternal harbor]

The dark days of flinch

[south heart]

I looked at them and said ‘$15 game vs $70 games, I’m willing to make some sacrifices’ 😂

[stone skiff]

Run spinning really needs to be addressed.
Player models shouldn't move 5 body widths back and forth 3 times a second. Maybe momentum needs to dramatically decrease when turning mid jump

[buoyant walrus]

My take on movement:

• some animations like going from prone to standing should prevent immediate sprinting
• sprinting non stop should have downsides. Jumping in the middle of the fight too
• some weapon and armor combinations give too much speed, others takes too much speed
• air strafing needs to go away
• player movement should add noticeable sway for scopes
• player rotation speed should be restricted for some degree. Less or no restriction while standing, small restriction while crouching, bigger restriction while prone.
• some amount of inertia is necessary

[slow bough]

good takes, squad seems like a good game for you to play based on the feedback

should check it out

[buoyant walrus]

Thanks, I'll check it out. I mean the devs had intention to make less sweaty squad. So far they failed miserably, there's Apex-like movement rn.

[bold badger]

https://tenor.com/view/jiggy-jolly-get-jiggy-get-jolly-get-jolly-with-it-gif-13651478034157223092

[wraith timber]

probably
fuck yourself
yeah
cry about it
the fuck you mean it already is its all visual
fuck yourself 2 electric boogaloo
my name

[sly rain]

That's one of the most toxic responses I've seen in the feedback forums so far, and that's considering every time Old Chum has responded to people.

[umbral frigate]

Thats probably cause I cant say the r word here

[amber gulch]

No wonder it smelled like little female dog in here

[cedar flicker]

< meme arrows

[granite gust]

Anyway, why is dropshotting still in the game

[slow bough]

only walking should be in the game, no sprinting no nothing
i think this would really help the game thrive towards a big player count, the most simplest gunplay ever

[cedar flicker]

so true bestie

[iron axle]

It would really emphasize good positioning as well as moving with caution, since people wouldn't just be able to rely on outrunning bullets

[granite gust]

That sounds great

[cedar flicker]

"emphasizing good positioning" is a nice way of saying "i want to be able to camp a window all game with impunity"

[zinc dove]

ah yes, because that is so smart to do in this game, even if we could only move at a snails pace.

[iron axle]

Is outrunning bullets the only counter to someone camping in a window? Normally when I do that, I just get sniped

or blown up with an rpg

[cedar flicker]

be more disingenuous

no, you see, making movement and aggressive plays less viable definitely doesn't make turtling the preferred strategy!

[zinc dove]

my man if you have ways to blow open the walls, that's not a good strat at any point, even if we were relegated to 4-6mph instead of 5 times that.

[cedar flicker]

it's not like player built barricades are invincible to enemy explosives or anything

[wicked crest]

(they aren't)

[zinc dove]

you do realize people do that anyway right? and 9 times out of ten, those spots are worthless because of the lack of angles and movement. RPGs make quick work of them. c4 does too. like to be effective you need to build fort kickass somewhere and people will still eventually get you off even if they can only come from 2 angles.

[cedar flicker]

you seem to greatly underestimate how effective camping a window outside of a point on a map like salhan, sandy sunset, or frugis really is

on frugis especially, i can hold an entire building in the enemy backlines by myself with just 2 mines

[zinc dove]

you can do that even with speed bud

without speed it would be no different

because what keeps you alive is not the window but the multiple floors with chokepoints you are in

being quick won't help anyone push that.

[slow bough]

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[bold badger]

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[rigid crest]

I believe jumping is too strong at the moment for a game that isn't a movement shooter (quake, UT etc.). Jumping has almost no downsides or risk and with it you can pretty consistently dodge automatic fire. I think this is because:

• You can jump an unlimited amount of times consecutively, you could skip and bunnyhop your whole way across the map.
• You have full mobility in the air.

I'd like to see either:

• A punishment for consecutive jumping, either by reducing speed or height for a brief moment
• Lessening or removing of air control.

[bold badger]

You're trolling right?

[rigid crest]

No, I'm not a fan of bunnyhopping. I'm a pretty genuine person.

[bold badger]

💀

[zinc dove]

there kinda already is one, I wouldn't mind it slower, but its also at a nice spot right now. any slower would fuckup alot of traversal

[rigid crest]

Circle jumping always seemed like something implicit in the game engine rather than an actual decided gameplay mechanic. It's not a colossal issue but the more I look and think about it the weirder it is to me.

To me, if you jump, you should have very little air control in a game like this.

[bold badger]

Why

[rigid crest]

Because the game is somewhat realism based, and when your feet leave the ground IRL you don't have any control over where you're going.

It'll make tranversal a bit more challenging, you might actually have to think where you're jumping rather than just spamming space and doing a 180 back into a window.

[zinc dove]

nah man. air strafe is part of the game, and was intended, the only thing oki didn't want was you keeping your speed while turning mid air.

Its been stated many times that maps were designed with parkour and air strafing in mind

[rigid crest]

If a dev can confirm that circle jumping was an actual decision then I'll shut up. Again, it's not my biggest gripe.

[zinc dove]

Like I said, he has stated that the speed you keep while jumping mid air was the only thing he didn't want to keep.

Air strafing itself was part of the game the entire time. by which I mean Oki wanted air strafing in the game for traversal

[rigid crest]

A reduction in air speed would be fine too.

It worked well in Planetside 2. Every time you jump your speed is reduced slightly, if you jump two or three times consecutively you end up walking slow for a second as your speed recovers.

[zinc dove]

yeah most games do that. the only part of that not in game is the massive slowdown. its already on like a 1 second cooldown? or something like that anyway

[oblique dock]

Can we please get an automatic sprint feature if possible

[zinc dove]

is there not a toggle to sprint button you can set?

[soft pewter]

you can't bhop bro what are you talking about

[young lichen]

Fwiw the dev has shown off airstrafing changes... so they could bhop but not change direction maintaining full speed during it

[topaz spire]

bhop in battlebit

[tardy merlin]

Please make vaulting faster/scale based on the size of the object you're vaulting it is so ~~||word||~~ing slow or let us cancel mid-vault if possible

[zinc dove]

it already does, but vaulting is only for things below your waist. anything higher is either a clamber or a climb animation, each slower than the previous

[proper plume]

I’d prefer if the games movement favored more tactical choice making instead of “Let’s see how fast I can jump and slide around with an overpowered SMG.” I wish that the mechanics were slower than cod but faster than squad. I think this would bring some casual players back into the player base, because lots of people I talk to and reviews I have read complain about these sweaty run and guns.

[next drift]

Man, stop, you are scaring people with those'tactical' things

That's literally a milsim /s

[violet lark]

funny because people will try shooters advertised and featured with an overwhelming amount of tactical grounded gameplay elements like this one, find an obvious jumping exploit in-game, and immediately identify it as a high mobility high skill full arcade mobility shooter. what is sad is that this is not unique to battlebit. a tale as old as the B-hops.

[cedar flicker]

guess what, you can wait for milsim mode

[zinc dove]

Almost like thats how this game was marketed in the first place.

[umbral frigate]

You thinking thats all there is to the game is more an indication of how good you are than an indication of the state of the game.

[zinc dove]

no, that pretty much sums up the state of the game, considering that, other than weapon choice, is what most people do.

[slow bough]

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[proper plume]

That’s what I’m saying but when I complain that this game is ruined by these sweaty kids who play this game likes it’s CoD war zone I’m apparently “yapping” or “unskilled”. Like how does this game expect to get new players if there are people sweating this hard.

[bold badger]

you just get shit on and with time improve and then you shit on people

like in the old days

theres also 127 people in lobby chances are you will run into these people maybe a few times in whole match so whats the issue

[cedar flicker]

^

even if someone drops 100 kills in a game, they've not killed every player once

[proper plume]

Maybe my friends and I just have extremely bad luck.

[young lichen]

@proper plume "Yapping" and "unskilled" are thrown around meaninglessly on this discord any time someone brings up the something that isn't 'high skill' in the discord practically, even when that's totally irrelevant to what you're arguing about lol

[slate mantle]

“I don’t want this game to be like cod” yet the community sure acts like it

[umbral frigate]

My whole point is that “jump and slide around with an overpowered SMG” is not all there is to the game. If you think that’s all then you just suck at the game.

[zinc dove]

that's like saying titanfall is not a movement shooter because alot of players stay on the ground instead of actually using the movement.

[umbral frigate]

No its like saying those players suck

[zinc dove]

when its the majority, you can't say that anymore lol

[iron axle]

You're right, that's not all there is to the game. That's just most efficient way to get the highest number of kills.

[umbral frigate]

My whole point is that that is not true and if you think it is you just dont know how to get a high number of kills in this game.

[cedar flicker]

i mean, it is true

the more you run around, the more engagements you get into, and the more kills you can potentially get

you're not going to get 80+ kills by sitting in one spot with a thumb up your ass

[umbral frigate]

Youre not going to get 100+ kills by running around randomly either

[zinc dove]

this tells me you don't know the game lol, this is literally how the top players gain as many kills as they do.

[umbral frigate]

Do you play like that a lot? If not, what's your kill pb? It would be interesting to see if you could beat it by running around aimlessly.

Obviously I'm not saying that high movespeed isnt good, I'm saying that just running around and randomly running into people absolutely is not at all how good players play the game.

Most of the skill comes from being able to find people quickly.

[zinc dove]

so your argument against is simply taking a minor point of map knowledge, and trying to say its the main point of how that style of gameplay works? notice how you are strawmanning the argument in the first place by adding "aimlessly" to your argument.

[umbral frigate]

The quote that I initially took issue with was “Let’s see how fast I can jump and slide around with an overpowered SMG.” This characterization of high kpm gameplay is incorrect. "Let’s see how fast I can jump and slide around" implies that there is no thought that goes into the playstyle and overall just focuses too much on micro skills when macro skills are the most important part of the game.

[zinc dove]

find enemy, quickly move with weapon of choice, either kill him/them or die. if die, respawn and repeat.

that is the basic loop of anyone getting those high kills. with exceptions for vehicles and those mythical spawn snipers that somehow get over 100 kills.

[umbral frigate]

Obviously when you boil it down to its basic elements youre going to get a gameplay loop that looks like that. This will always be the case no matter what changes are made to the game.

[zinc dove]

you know, you would be correct. but there is nothing more to the loop. there is no extra work or thought beyond map knowledge/knowing how to read your map.

if your spot is unfavorable just fast travel somewhere else, leave a squad and join another to get new spawns.

[umbral frigate]

I dont know why youre acting like there's no thought that goes into that decision making.

[zinc dove]

map knowledge and seeing where the furball is, is not the highest form of tactical decisions bud.

I guess I can give them more credit, they know not to charge straight at the enemy.

[iron axle]

"You mean just randomly jump and slide around? That won't get you kills! You have to go in the direction of the enemy! Hah, destroyed with FACTS and LOGIC!!1!!" - Old Chum

No, nobody meant that. You are attacking a strawman

[umbral frigate]

Who said it was "the highest form of tactical decisions"? Not me.

[zinc dove]

you implied it.

[umbral frigate]

I would be interested to know what your kpm and kill pb is.

[umbral frigate]

Please read this message. "The quote that I initially took issue with was “Let’s see how fast I can jump and slide around with an overpowered SMG.” This characterization of high kpm gameplay is incorrect. "Let’s see how fast I can jump and slide around" implies that there is no thought that goes into the playstyle and overall just focuses too much on micro skills when macro skills are the most important part of the game."

[zinc dove]

which doesn't matter lol, we aren't talking about players kpm or pbs.

[umbral frigate]

Thats exactly what we're talking about...

[zinc dove]

yeah read it. still wrong. you would only be correct if there was anything more than the basic loop, and map knowledge. the only thing stands out is which automatic you use.

[umbral frigate]

If you think all there is to high kpm gameplay is map knowledge and moving fast you just dont really understand how it works. Again I would be interested to know your kpm and kill pb.

[zinc dove]

If you think that there is anything more than map knowledge and moving quickly you don't understand how the game works. and as usual trying to invalidate someone elses argument by strawmanning or pulling some info that you can use as ammunition.

[umbral frigate]

How am I strawmanning? You say that all the skill comes from not running directly towards the enemy. Doing that will only get you so far. Obviously I'm going to care about your pb and kpm because this is exactly what we are talking about and its extremely relevant to know if you actually have experience with this playstyle. Since we're both claming that the other person doesnt understand high kpm gameplay, wouldnt it be a good tie breaker to see who has the highest kpm?

Good player's constantly say stuff like "aim doesnt matter, positioning is everything" for a reason. Do you even understand what that means?

I dont know why youre acting like the skill ceiling for positioning is just "as long as you arent running directly at them, youre good"

It just doesnt track if you analyze the difference in kpm between even high skilled players

[zinc dove]

my man just pulling at even more straws. Never seen a higher end player then. as for position, what do you think map knowledge is? your just assuming that because I didn't explicitly state every possible thing to do other than run at the enemy, that I'm saying that "not running directly at them is all you need". For regular people, context and inference are common place, you should use them more.

[umbral frigate]

"find enemy, quickly move with weapon of choice, either kill him/them or die. if die, respawn and repeat."
"you would only be correct if there was anything more than the basic loop, and map knowledge."

The context here is that you are enumerating the skills that you think go into high kpm. Obviously I'm going to assume that this is everything you think goes into high kpm because that's the whole point youre trying to make.

Also in the second quote you explicitly say there is nothing more than that loop... I dont know why youre pretending you didnt say this.

[zinc dove]

notice what I said directly after I said "loop". keep strawmanning man, you are just debasing yourself.

[umbral frigate]

What other elements would you want to go into high kpm gameplay?

[proper plume]

They wont ever understand that they're driving this game straight into the shitter. I don't mind fast gameplay but when the game is advertised to be a team based shooter where everyone is working to win I get a little irritated that all I see are these gun running medics who can't hop off for more than a few seconds.

[umbral frigate]

Nobody's forcing you to play that way.

If you want to play more tactically you can just as easily focus on kd as apposed to kpm

[zinc dove]

and there's the "just don't play that way" statement. truly a classic.

[slow bough]

oh it's the moving medics and assaults again that ruin the game, definitely explains the low player count and not the lack of actual content and improvements after the initial hype after release

but it's always the damn "small" base of players that ruin everything and drive the game straight into the shitter

holy cope

[umbral frigate]

Careful what you wish for. Oki's understanding of content gave us the sound update.

[umbral frigate]

Why not just respond to the argument instead of pointing out that its been used before?

Like the movement players literally just dont effect you. If you dont like it dont do it, but stop trying to control how others play.

[zinc dove]

it was in the top 5 complaints about the game. the grind was fixed, the lack of content is being worked on as they try to hire more. Vector was nerfed. Net code is a constant stuggle and is off and on, but its far better now than at launch. what do you expect us to actually talk about if the other things are either done or actively being worked on?

[zinc dove]

hmm, don't effect me? sure just like snipers don't, just like vehicles in spawn and safezones don't. if they truly don't matter tan your other complaints also don't matter.

[umbral frigate]

What?

[autumn umbra]

please allow the ability to hit sprint to cancel your ADS

[lost juniper]

not sure if this is potentially a bug or intended, but often it seems that there is a delay or window when doing certain actions that prevent you from crouching or going prone, like while bandaging or right after vaulting or something. almost like the crouch and prone inputs are not very responsive. it would be nice if crouch/prone was 100% responsive in (almost) any situation

[void pumice]

i have noticed that a lot of players abuse the dropshotting in the game. not sure if others noticed, but for me it became plainly annoying that almost third of any lobby on EU's servers do this. even if shot from the back, people just go on their bellies. i think a debuff to accuracy should be implemented when a person just suddenly hits the floor. or depending on person's armor the move speed during prone should be slower. i hope this can be addressed more as it really is annoying to play against majority of the times

[umbral frigate]

I agree, prone abuse in general is absolutely rampant in this game.

[lapis lark]

maybe apply the same weapon debuff when jumping/falling while going prone and then apply slow while getting back up. that way proning is still a good defensive maneuver if you play around cover but won’t be cheezed by drop shotting and then instantly zooming away?

[wraith timber]

What debuff

[lapis lark]

idk how to call it, you know when ur falling and you can’t ids + your weapon points in a random direction?

[zinc dove]

thats purely visual, you ads whatever is in the center of your screen will be hit, which is what people do when dropshotting

[lapis lark]

is it? whenever i drop out of a heli with an rpg it tends to go top right of where im aiming iirc

[zinc dove]

ADS, there's no inertia when you ads

[uncut moth]

there’s no inertia in general

[uncut moth]

it depends on your gun model

i did falling rpg shots too and like every other gun the projectiles do not originate from your reticle

[zinc dove]

weapons have interia bud

[dusty stump]

I tried to fly a helicopter once. Can confirm, those also have inertia. I inertia'd directly into the ground

[lunar stream]

the shreks mod has inertia too, friction as well which makes it quite difficult to use at a fast rate

[dusty stump]

The what

[lunar stream]

[cedar flicker]

get good

they can't move while they're on the ground and they're presenting their head hitbox for you

adjust your crosshair and shit on them, lest they shit on you

[uncut moth]

this is true

dropshot overreaction is crazy when 1% of the entire battlebit braindead playerbase knows how to do a simple prone

@tame sedge played since playtest and still didnt know how to dropshot until last week!

[tame sedge]

ur a bot

should have better animations for drop shotting / prone in general, and a slight penalty for standing up so you cant do snake shit with you chest in your knees

[sly rain]

Sincerely hope the milsim mode comes out sooner rather than later

[dusty stump]

Sir this is the player movement thread

[sly rain]

I know where I am, sir. I'm tired of people running through me or pulling of stupid movement to evade bullets.

That is why I said what I said.

[eternal harbor]

Hipfire

[fathom bobcat]

Play hardcore servers

[fathom bobcat]

Sir this is the player movement thread

[eternal harbor]

Ah shit you rite. Hipfire the jumpy bois as a counter to their movement

[bold badger]

Dead game

[uncut moth]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1155939953369432227.webp?size=48&name=catDespair&quality=lossless

[rapid pewter]

movement in this game is cool. I like the ability to get its strange places and stand on single pixels 8/10

[fathom bobcat]

Now let's change that

Make it worse

[trail nacelle]

For my part, I would say reduce movement to 6 m/s, this worked for Planetside 2 with a huge map, and thinking about what inertia is coming, it will serve to finally nerf the Air-Strafe

[trail nacelle]

And for people like your little friend, the game is between 3,000 and 1,000 players without noticeable changes to the gameplay.

Also of course, the current movement only makes this game a movement shooter, which would be fine if it weren't for the fact that its mechanics demonstrate the opposite.

Now of course, they will say that I'm talking pure shit, but in reality this "broken" movement is apparently based mostly on Battlefield 4

https://youtu.be/g3ou-iLxjKg?si=gK2QqeMSJMomHHGw

https://www.reddit.com/r/Battlefield6/comments/nml984/fundamental_problems_with_battlefield_4/

https://youtu.be/WoGULTnalfY?si=wqbeOHLY1cdEJMxX

Game which got this type of movement broken not because the game was like that, it was because thanks to the spring 2014 update, removing the visual recoil and buffing the movement making it more "competitive" something far from shooters of this type

causing more people to overexploit these mechanics and leaving the broken gameplay overexploited by the same things that happen here, and if you don't believe me then why was the Battlefield 4 movement not replicated in Battlefield 1 and Battlefield V?

In summary, broken movement is based on another broken movement game, turning it in a bad way into a "fast movement shooter" because it has neither the mechanics nor anything consistent with this type of shooters, but people recognize it that way because of its movement, and in Battlebit, history repeats itself

By doing this the replayability is not existing, it only leaves you the option of adapting to rushing or you leave

And to finish the Battlefield 4 story, why did DICE release this update then? I have a theory that they were orders from EA (EA being EA) to promote more of a more "competitive" game since in Battlefield 4 the competitive ESL was greatly promoted, although as I mentioned, shooter sagas with large numbers of players are not for competitive play

[trail nacelle]

And this is also reflected in the Gameplay of Battlefield 4 and Battlebit, instead of adding more opportunities to take advantage of the gameplay as they would in true "fast movement shooters", here it removes more things from the gameplay and leaves them unusable compared to the Current gameplay

And in my personal opinion, I prefer that the broken movement of BF4 remain in just that game with its players playing Operation Locker all day than to have another game with broken mechanics but that is why they call it "fast movement shooter"

[wraith timber]

Only works because ps2 vehicles and such arent fuckin useless

[trail nacelle]

And that is another problem with this game, the uselessness of vehicles in a "combined arms" shooter, seems like a joke.

Yes or yes the vehicles need a buff, even the simple transport car with a machine gun from Planetside 2 served to eliminate enemies, here if you do that with a Humvee, an RPG and that's it or they only kill you exactly from a distance

[wraith timber]

Uh harasser bit more than a transport car 💀

[trail nacelle]

Yes, you're right, I don't know how to describe this vehicle but of course, its main task is not transportation, since that's what the Sunderer is for.

It is mostly used as an infantry support vehicle, crewed mostly by two people.

[wraith timber]

Not even

[trail nacelle]

At least that's what I've seen of how they usually use it hehe

[wraith timber]

Bro has not seen them pull up on armor

[trail nacelle]

This time I don't know this aspect. Do they become quite resistant?

[wraith timber]

Find a montage or something im lazy

[sly rain]

Harassers are incredibly effective against enemy armor, and VERY fast.

[trail nacelle]

Thanks for the explanation brother

[sly rain]

In a game where none of the vehicles have coaxial machineguns, this means to kill a harasser with a tank requires hitting it with a (relatively) slow ap or he round, 3 or more times. And most harassers usually run after the first time they get hit with anything.

[trail nacelle]

Technically, what the game's APCs should be

[trail nacelle]

hhmmmm, well, something similar to the Harasser for this game could be this vehicle the Oshkosh L-ATV for the US

[sly rain]

That would definitely fit this game better than "Anti-Armor Rotary Chaingun" would.

[trail nacelle]

too haha

[wraith timber]

Unga bunga halberd noises

[sly rain]

Stop it, I'm getting flashbacks

[wraith timber]

Mraps with atgms go brrr

[trail nacelle]

The case is that with good vehicles, there would be the possibility of finally polishing the movement.

[wraith timber]

We're never getting good vehicles

[trail nacelle]

We still don't have to lose hope

Or put the "Bradley" troop transport vehicle

Just imagine a squad of 2 in this vehicle and 6 as infantry, the vehicle providing coverage, firepower and transportation.

[wraith timber]

Lav and btr:

[uncut moth]

literally all the movement is in this game is w key and turn mouse

battlefield 4 has a lot more complex movement

[trail nacelle]

Maybe so, but it doesn't change that Battlebit has a broken movement brother, that's what I'm going for

[topaz spire]

battlefield 4 was an absolute pleasure to play thanks to turning into a "movement shooter"

ignore milsim, embrace fast paced gameplay

[lunar stream]

"fast paced" (drug fueled)

[zinc dove]

pretty sure people never understand high speed gameplay is not a "movement shooter". there is no "movement" beyond shift-w, turn mouse.

[trail nacelle]

That's why I specified that I converted it but in a bad way because the movement did not work in relation to the game mechanics of Battlefield 4 :/

[zinc dove]

BB isn't a movement shooter either, which that crowd doesn't seem to understand.

[trail nacelle]

Of course not, but like the same thing that happened to Battlefield 4, just because it has stupidly fast movement they already recognize it as a "fast movement shooter", while the same thing happens with Battlebit, its game mechanics do not work in relation to your movement

[trail nacelle]

Games in which you can notice that fast movement goes hand in hand with the mechanics would be Apex Legends, Titanfall, The Finals, Ultrakill, the game mechanics reward fast movement

[zinc dove]

they reward continues movement, by chaining various movement abilities, Jump, slide, wall run, sprint + any tacticals like phase and grapple. the basis of a movement shooter is having to chain abilities to attain and retain speed and maneuverability.

Sprint + turn does not a movement shooter make.

[trail nacelle]

Of course, but explain this to someone else without it ending in insults on this server :/

[trail nacelle]

Currently there are two options, either the movement is adapted to the game mechanics (reducing speed and some inertia) or the game mechanics are adapted to the movement (of course I prefer the first option)

[uncut moth]

you said it was a movement shooter here #1159035953902534656 message

[trail nacelle]

"Also of course, the current movement only makes this game a movement shooter, which would be fine if it weren't for the fact that its mechanics demonstrate the opposite." I am explaining the same thing as here, that their mechanics have no relation to the movement they want to incorporate and vice versa, there is really no difficulty in understanding this unless you want to create a discussion brother

[trail nacelle]

And that's why if these two options, why is that happening, the mechanics and the movement of the game are not related, and that's it haha

[sharp orbit]

The more they embrace milsim, the more player count drops. This game needs to go full on Battlefield 4 at this point imo if it wants to succeed, make battlebit great again.

[trail nacelle]

Please not in the Battlefield 4 movement,is already explain why it is broken :c

[zinc dove]

all the changes have been buffs to the "Shift-W = movement" crowd.

[uncut moth]

can't wait until inertia update and new players being locked to support

that will really surely kill the movement tryhard club which only makes up 20 of the 2000 remaining battlebit players

[zinc dove]

"I will leave because I can't abuse broken aspects of the game, the games dead"

[uncut moth]

yep

[zinc dove]

reword that and its all your responses

just someone who likes COD

[uncut moth]

movement is what is killing the game and i hope the people doing push ups in the air all quit forever so i can enjoy my dmr gameplay

[trail nacelle]

Well, they will surely play BF4 again in Operation Locker 24/7 haha

[uncut moth]

game does not need to be squad, it does not need to be cod either

[zinc dove]

man almost like the shitty broken "movement" was what led the the first exodus after the intial hype starting dying lol

[uncut moth]

or... less updates, other games coming out, lack of dev communication, the fact that the game is a casual game with very little replayability?

[zinc dove]

as usual your response is "It can't be Arma/squad/HLL and it doesn't have to be COD either"

per usual, your grasping at straws trying to save a broken aspect of the game that was not intended

[uncut moth]

i don't think shift W movement is a huge problem in this game when things such as class choice and playstyle are more influenced by map design

and vilaskis reworking maps rather than fixing the stupid boundary lines he drew while drunk 💀

[zinc dove]

30km/h b-hopping Shift-w gameplay is SOOO good it got half the player base to leave after inital hype

like I said, your problems with the game are "it's not COD"

[uncut moth]

i definitely do not want for it to be cod 💀 but i am finding it hard to believe the movement alone is what killed the playerbase, when it is more probable that the players just got bored or drawn to other games

[zinc dove]

you actively want it to be cod

despite saying you do not

[uncut moth]

i want it to stay the way it is but with better maps 😭 movement is hard in cod

the movement in battlebit is simple, if i wanted to play cod i would play cod
or i'd go back to phantom forces

[uncut moth]

both of which have more complex movement with one literally being a roblox game

[zinc dove]

if people want this to be a movement shooter the entire thing needs to change

[trail nacelle]

THIS

[zinc dove]

high speed gameplay with the only thing you need to do is "Shift-W" to attain, and retain top speed there is a massive problem

[trail nacelle]

Phanto Forces player? that explains everything

[keen cedar]

do u know what bhopping is

💀 theres an intentional delay in jumping to make sure players cant somehow build up momentum

[uncut moth]

inertia being added -> bhopping gets invented

[wraith timber]

Add inertia so i can actually jump peek 🔥

[umbral frigate]

doesnt cod have inertia?

[trail nacelle]

Inertia is not bad, as long as it is applied in a fair amount, not exaggerated, and in general not only to one class as Oki wants to do.

[zinc dove]

oh no, you need to do even less to attain high speed and keep it no matter what you do

[keen cedar]

..well yes

[zinc dove]

which again is a problem

Shift-W ain't part of a movement shooter.

its highspeed that it ain't milsim

and it's abused to all hell as it is. you guys want a movement shooter, get actual movement systems in the game that are not just "unity acccelerate, and unity animation bugs"

[trail nacelle]

I present to you Battlefield 1 and V, games that have already finished their update period but are the most active Battlefield on PC, so I highly doubt that it is just the content

[keen cedar]

this game is nowhere near highspeed please go look at what good players do in bf3/4 which is the game this is often drawn to

or go look at an actual movement shooter in comparison to bbr, ultrakill ie echopoint nova lol

[sharp orbit]

The fast pace and movement of battlebit is what made it fun imo. If you want a slow boring game go play squad or hell let lose or some other milsim. BattleBit being a Battlefield clone is what made it fun, and popular in the first place. They realized this, otherwise they would not have added all of the popular game modes from Battlefield. Milsim mode s a waste of time in this game, those servers will be dead in weeks and nobody will play them, does anyone even play on hardcore servers now?

[trail nacelle]

@keen cedar Are we ignoring the entire explanation of why BF4 has a broken movement?

[zinc dove]

1 they move slower 2 they have midair inertia, 3 their animations must complete and can only be cancled in certain points. such equality to BB's current state

[zinc dove]

squad and HLL aren't even milsims lol, figure out what is before you go talking out your ass.

[keen cedar]

yes and look where it lead the franchise since

[trail nacelle]

where do you say exactly?

[zinc dove]

movement is one of the few always good things spoken about in the latest installments your moron

if you are going to try and dispute something, at least know basic facts about what you are using as an example

[keen cedar]

probably because the average age + mindset of people that still play or enjoy those games are quite similar to the people that frequently whine about 'movement' in bbr

[keen cedar]

bf as a franchise is a husk of its former self and anyone who believes otherwise is delusional

[zinc dove]

"I don't have an argument, so I'll talk shit instead of backing up my claims" such a good response moron.

[trail nacelle]

?

[zinc dove]

notice how I said one aspect? you people always shift the goalposts to try and save face.

[sharp orbit]

eden you're probably arguing with sub 1 kd players who think they know gameplay mechanics and want to see this game become trash

[keen cedar]

how is this remotely talking shit when i'm saying that the game is both a far cry from what it used to be and it has a shared playerbase...? which is quite true as a vet of both? not to mention the fact you randomly called me a 'moron' while somehow saying 'your'

for someone i've never seen in the game you're quite the opinionated discordian!

[zinc dove]

sorrry man, I don't have your K/d. only sub-1kd people care about that anyway.

[keen cedar]

almost like this is a big trend in here!

[trail nacelle]

And he keeps ignoring my answer.... you know @keen cedar that Battlefield 2042 was developed by a new team, not by battlefield veterans, right?

[keen cedar]

...the newest installment that's frequently had free weekends and been on sales is outdoing its' years-old counterparts? you're telling me this now?

[trail nacelle]

But how many active players are there in each one, come on, you can tell me, I just sent an image, you know what, I sent you another one, but this time with BF4 and the movement that you say that all BF fans like haha

[wraith timber]

[zinc dove]

yeah yeah, word your sentences a certain way, and suddenly your not being a bitch. standard move, you learn that from chum? you take my "movement was liked even in new installments" and then try to shift the goalposts and say "ah yes he says the new BF games are good and well recieved, and are some of the best!"

again. same type of person, same type of response. cookie cutter arguments from everyone who relies on "Shift-W" to play the game.

could replace name and pfp with a any of them and nobody would be able to tell.

[orchid hawk]

skill is when camp in corner wearing autism armor

mom make me wear exo so i dont bump head again

[keen cedar]

'word my sentences a certain way'... bro i am literally just typing shit on a screen. tone doesn't really exist we're not arguing at a family dinner - and going past that i quite literally just said ofc people sharing a certain mindset would have the same viewpoint about a different game..? not sure how that's shifting a goalpost at all, the point was to illustrate the much broader appeal is further gone lmao

[zinc dove]

going away from the orgional argument to save face exactly. thank you for at least admitting it.

[trail nacelle]

I really don't understand if there are many people who like (according to you) the movement in BF4, why is it not so active unlike bf1 and bfv which does not have these movements? Honestly, because they are broken movements haha

[keen cedar]

did you write the book on jumping to conclusions or what bro

[orchid hawk]

why game 15 year old less popular than new game? teamwork .

[keen cedar]

batolfield 4 is childran game , look to cartoon banny jumping and 0 player

[wraith timber]

With fal 😍

[zinc dove]

there you go again lol, keep proving my point.

[trail nacelle]

bruh

[keen cedar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1208208737039548459/1212034349684490271/caption.gif

[keen cedar]

yo gang i just beat ur tile frenzy score

[zinc dove]

yep, as I said. cookie cutter responses from everyone that relies on "shift-w". down to the same unfunny meme pictures that they think make them sound good.

[wraith timber]

Fucking hell i thought i never played that shit after reset

[keen cedar]

😠 ⌨️

[delicate trellis]

[keen cedar]

u got some issues big dawg stay invested in those 100 hours u got out of this game

[orchid hawk]

🚪 me skill

[wraith timber]

[keen cedar]

⛑️ 🔫 🚪

[wraith timber]

Minecraft dark oak door lookin ass

[zinc dove]

box by box eh? I swear all of you are just alts.

[keen cedar]

u ever heard sematary 1312

[umbral frigate]

he would never post stats

he knows how embarrassing it would be for him

[delicate trellis]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1193817249526591509/1213976470054113290/3g98s8H.png?ex=65f76eb1&is=65e4f9b1&hm=d3c71615bf6181385d62722d29a4df4aaf76861daf9b3288fc0656475e146203&

[zinc dove]

what's more embarrassing is thinking stats matter so much like you lol

[sharp orbit]

you can tell this guy is sub 1 kd lul STATS DSONT MATTER CUZ I PLAY at .53 KD and .23 KPM!

[zinc dove]

lol, kids care about stats

[sharp orbit]

I can't wait till we can actually lookup players in this game, that will be the best feature

[rapid ginkgo]

Need brain here pls

[keen cedar]

brain = me use steam stat on origin game

🗣️ real drywall punchers in this chat

[trail nacelle]

You're insulting again, aren't you? If you were crying the other time in the English chat talking shit about my piece of virgin?

[rapid ginkgo]

Crazy guy

[zinc dove]

I say 1.9 K/d I will be a "no-life"
if I say 1.2 or lower "You suck and shouldn't talk about the game"
I know your type, its all the same with you all.

[orchid hawk]

grampa got 1.9 kd hiding in a corner aint no way

[sharp orbit]

bro I wouldn't call 1.9 no life tbh, thats mid af

[keen cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/twomad-do-the-twomad-gif-1462066082623538995

[zinc dove]

that is above average? you fucking moron?

[sharp orbit]

post stats or stfu devildog

[keen cedar]

im smoking derek chauvin pack big runtz in the air 2 for 1

[trail nacelle]

Meh, I may be crazy, but at least I have the balls to say things directly

[scenic warren]

🗣️

[zinc dove]

my point has been made, 12 year old only cares about stats.

[sharp orbit]

I'll go easy on you I promise, I already know you're sub 1

I can tell just by your attitude, poor suggestions in chat, and passive aggresive behavior

[rapid ginkgo]

Meh, I may be crazy, but at least I have the balls to say things directly 🤓👆

[zinc dove]

right, like your attitude, poor suggestions, and passive behavior. you really just described yourself

[sharp orbit]

Obviously a troll, blocked

[zinc dove]

ok

[keen cedar]

RIP BIG CHRIS DORNER REAL GOAT 🗣️

[zinc dove]

like I said, nothing of value is lost

[trail nacelle]

xddddd

[zinc dove]

speaking of Kranden has K/d below 1.1. so by his logic he shouldn't say shit

[sharp orbit]

CIOI if he posts his stats to earn any validitiy to his arguments, feel free to share it ok

[delicate trellis]

RIP big dawg American hero 🙏

[trail nacelle]

Nah, no thanks, if talking to you is based on that, why?

[rapid ginkgo]

Obviously a troll, blocked 🤓👆

[sharp orbit]

Nah it doesn't need to be, I could care less tbh

[keen cedar]

obviously a troll blocked

[rapid ginkgo]

Origin game but post steam stats

[zinc dove]

"Post K/d or stfu" such 12 year old behavior.

[umbral frigate]

The very fact that you think 1.9 kd makes you a nolife tells us all we need to know

[scenic warren]

thats crazy to me

[zinc dove]

nah man, that's what you all will say. or did you not read that either?

[rapid ginkgo]

Crazy guy

[trail nacelle]

And we get to the part where they look for any detail to insult or counter-argue haha

[umbral frigate]

We know your stats are bad, at this point its just a matter of integrity.

[zinc dove]

ok mister 1.4, your stats are low, so you can't say shit either then. follow your own logic

[umbral frigate]

what?

[rapid ginkgo]

Stop trolling old chum

[wraith timber]

Post kd or eat grass

[rapid ginkgo]

Not funny

[uncut moth]

2kd 3.6kpm

[sharp orbit]

I'm not here to brag or talk about stats, but I seriously cant take suggestions about player movement from sub 1 KD players, thats just fucking insulting. It's like letting a 5 year old balance starcraft.

[rapid ginkgo]

2kd

[zinc dove]

literally all you ahve dones is brag and talk stats lol

[wraith timber]

😍

[sharp orbit]

Where's that meme where oki says something about "skill issues"

[umbral frigate]

And all you have done is try to squirm away from posting stats

Nobody will respect your opinion until you do.

[delicate trellis]

noobsp

[brave edge]

And prolly after

[uncut moth]

avging 4.5 recently i'll get there!

[umbral frigate]

LMAO NO LIFE

[uncut moth]

been keeping track of recent dom games

[umbral frigate]

1.9kd NOLIFE

[delicate trellis]

next up in the bbr scene

[zinc dove]

the fact that you rely on "post K/d" means your opinions don't matter lol. you think they do, all it does is prove your voice should mean nothing as is.

[trail nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/entertainment-michael-jackson-wow-amazing-interesting-gif-14302319

[scenic warren]

hey devildogg what are your stats

[zinc dove]

nitpicking shit out of its context is all you do bud, get better material

[rapid ginkgo]

No Life go touch grass

Imagine try hard Roblox game looser

[sharp orbit]

Do you guys want to see devildogg get really upset?

[zinc dove]

when stats matter, I'll post them. but its gonna be a long while till K/d matters lol

[umbral frigate]

How is that out of context?

[brave edge]

No grass go touch live

[zinc dove]

read the fucking text you got it from lol

[rapid ginkgo]

Touch my ass

[scenic warren]

why not now

[rapid ginkgo]

Conq players here

[umbral frigate]

"I say 1.9 K/d I will be a "no-life""

[scenic warren]

not even 10k fal 💔

[umbral frigate]

Seems pretty in context to me

[sharp orbit]

Bro I would have 10k fal kills if not for prestige RIP

[zinc dove]

yeah, you literally said that before. that was from you you dumbass

[rapid ginkgo]

Imagine play mine

[umbral frigate]

Man what are you talking about? Is this another delusion youre having?

[zinc dove]

k/d doesn't matter? why would I care?

[wraith timber]

😭

[scenic warren]

@zinc dove did you not see my reply? i ask why not now ?

[zinc dove]

cause they don't matter lol. not gonna bend the knee to pressure for something that don't matter lol.

[umbral frigate]

No you are hiding your stats cause you are embarrassed of them

[scenic warren]

if they do not matter then what is the harm in posting? i can post mine too if that make you more comfortable :)

[wraith timber]

I should edit my name over lonelys old stats and drop it here

[zinc dove]

sure man you know me in real life and I totally care about K/d and am crying you keep calling me on them

[iron axle]

My stats are 0 hours played in the past 2 weeks

[atomic spoke]

if stats don't matter then should changes to the game be made based on the opinion of someone who watched a 5 minute video on the game? or do they need to have played atleast 5 minutes? like where do you draw the line on how much skill/time invested does someone need to have before they can have a real opinion on the game and it's issues?

[wraith timber]

[atomic spoke]

i respect it. i quit for like 3 weeks but been so bored i reinstalled. honestly a big regret

[wraith timber]

I reinstalled just to piss some bbcs mf off but the servers were dead so

[atomic spoke]

i just wanna play vanguard again 😭

[wraith timber]

Sir what the fuck 💀

[atomic spoke]

what'd i do?

[zinc dove]

that's for the devs to decide not you.

[wraith timber]

You don't mean cod vanguard?

[atomic spoke]

dodging the question. we can point to games that have been balanced around the lowest common denominator though, it's not a pretty picture

[atomic spoke]

nahhhhh. i haven't bought a call of duty since 2019, vanguard bbr servers

[scenic warren]

@zinc dove hello ?

[zinc dove]

sure man, still up to the devs. not you.

[brave edge]

Vanguard the canadian server with 1.5 hour maps

[wraith timber]

Hyperscape discord poll balancing 🔥

[umbral frigate]

If you were a dev, what would you do?

[atomic spoke]

vanguard was fast respawn 30m 64v64 dom, had actual fast respawn before the grompening

[brave edge]

Oh that vanguard

[atomic spoke]

the devs don't listen to anybody, that's why all the negative feedback for this upcoming update was ignored and doubled down on

[rapid ginkgo]

Balancing my ass

[brave edge]

Thats good

[umbral frigate]

He doesnt answer direct questions

[rapid ginkgo]

Haiiii Sugh

[scenic warren]

hi eco

[zinc dove]

Master of the shifting goalposts says what?

[umbral frigate]

answer the question

You have been asked atleast 2 questions in this conversation alone that you just outright refused to answer

Both of those questions were posed to you multiple times each!

[zinc dove]

I've answered them. just because you don't like my answer, you all keep asking anyway.

[atomic spoke]

you're just very opinionated but then give non-answers when it suits you, pointing towards your answers destroying whatever credibility you have

[eternal harbor]

Ayy we still comparing stats?

[atomic spoke]

nah you can pack it up, nobody wants to share 😦

[zinc dove]

oh no, I shall never recover from you saying that. the only thing you have said about me here is me not sharing stats, and have not said shit about any argument or statement except shift the goalposts to prove your own points.

[atomic spoke]

oh no, i shall never recover from you saying that, the only thing you've done is dodge questions and act superior

[spiral sonnet]

[rapid ginkgo]

Stop trolling otter

Not funny

[wraith timber]

Post stats smh

[rapid ginkgo]

My stats

[brave edge]

nah post my stats

[rapid ginkgo]

Oh k

[rapid ginkgo]

Im bad on this game and you ?

[brave edge]

super bad

best squad support player tho 1.4 kdr

[zinc dove]

compeltly ignoring that the questions are about stats, and not the game nor discussion. as per your usual MO.

[spiral sonnet]

[rapid ginkgo]

Show your stat

[spiral sonnet]

aight

[rapid ginkgo]

Im waiting

[spiral sonnet]

hope my pc can open battlebit and HD2 at the same time

[rapid ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/lazy-cat-waiting-bored-kitten-gif-18187747

[atomic spoke]

i didn't ask about stats, i asked how much time someone needs to invest to have an opinion worth listening to.

[zinc dove]

and I gave you an answer. the devs decide that.

[atomic spoke]

though you should post stats to provide some credibility, starting to think your main class is discord yapper

[zinc dove]

lol, as I said stats don't matter. and will not matter.

if you believe they do, there's more problems with you than with me.

[umbral frigate]

If they dont matter why wont you post yours?

[rapid ginkgo]

4000 kill @spiral sonnet

[umbral frigate]

Surely someone who truly believes stats dont matter wont mind having bad stats?

[rapid ginkgo]

Bro play gun

[spiral sonnet]

what

i did during the playtest days didnt rly feel like doing it all again @rapid ginkgo

[rapid ginkgo]

Play gun

[atomic spoke]

stats don't have to matter, but they're still representative on your ability at the game. it stands to reason the guy with 1 hour of play time, 0 kills, and 50 deaths isn't usually the guy who has a fair ground to review a game

[rapid ginkgo]

Play scorpion @spiral sonnet

[spiral sonnet]

i will once i get to 200

[rapid ginkgo]

Gold the scorpion for me

[spiral sonnet]

just for you i will

[subtle hinge]

hacker?

[rapid ginkgo]

Just show your lvl

[zinc dove]

alright, and the devs can decide if they want to listen to it or not. not for you to decide lol.

[atomic spoke]

yeah but i'm not asking the devs. i'm asking you. because the devs don't ask anyone anyway

[rapid ginkgo]

Listen my ass

[zinc dove]

and I gave my answer, its not for you to decide.

[atomic spoke]

it's really funny how opinionated you are and then suddenly you don't want to have an opinion on this when it would destroy your credibility

[zinc dove]

like I said, if stats actually mattered, you would be correct. but they don't, and they never will.

[umbral frigate]

He never asked you to decide for the game. He asked what you think is reasonable. You still havent answered the question. The only reason youre so clearly avoiding it is because you know it forces you to either say something stupid or concede the point./

[zinc dove]

when the answer is "the devs decide", and you guys don't like it

[spiral sonnet]

[rapid ginkgo]

Ban Cateat for the community

[zinc dove]

I could say some heinous shit about only americans can say something about the game, or a certain race, or only people with an even number of kills on the previous sunday. but none of that is going to change "the devs decide who they listen too"

[spiral sonnet]

YEAH!

[atomic spoke]

damn i knew he was gonna say something stupid

[zinc dove]

lol, "the devs decide" is apperently stupid now.

[spiral sonnet]

poor guy

[rapid ginkgo]

Cateat ddos all NA server pls ban this team

[atomic spoke]

no, you saying that stats that would be relevant as a way to see things like, how many hours someone has put into the game, are somehow equivalent to "only a certain race/religion/creed or people with kills on a specific day" IS really stupid though

[spiral sonnet]

!!!!!!!

[zinc dove]

ever heard of hyperbole? you really are stupid.

still doesn't change my answer, same one I gave the first time you asked. but of course you can't use it to target me anymore so you keep asking.

[atomic spoke]

target you? i promise you i'm not going out of my way for this. you paint the target on yourself, then wonder why people wanna see the credentials. and then say even more dumb shit

[zinc dove]

credentials? lol. Stats are now credentials and are required to say something. you are a fucking idiot, no doubt about it.

[atomic spoke]

i mean, what other proof do you have that your opinion is worth listening to? you won't provide a background to show that you know what you're talking about. and you say some of the craziest shit i've ever seen. it's like you're one of those twitter users with 40+ posts a day never doing anything about the things you post about

[sharp orbit]

tav hacks my heart every time we smash rush servers lul

[zinc dove]

you act like having a high k/d means they should be worth listenting too lol, apply your logic everywhere and it falls apart. Like I said, you are fucking idiot with 12 year old beliefs.

[wraith timber]

Ewwww rush

[sharp orbit]

Tav is why that comment about 1.9 KD players being "no-life" is one of the funniest things I've ever read. He makes me feel bad about being a casual player. Player movement is one of the best parts of this game, don't ruin it oki 👍🏻

[uncut moth]

would like to see bro follow up with background

[atomic spoke]

where did i say anything about kd? hours are probably the best overall stat for anything. people who play the game a lot naturally will find things that they like/dislike to talk about. kd is also a pretty worthless stat in my opinion. plenty of people over the last 20 years have had high kd's by hiding in corners of maps and killing anyone who walks into their crosshair getting single digit kills with no deaths every game.

[umbral frigate]

Its not an answer to the question, that's why its stupid. "The devs decide" is completely vacuous because the questions is about what the devs SHOULD decide

Pretending you dont have an opionion doesnt help your argument

I dont know why im explaining this to you because you know full well that youre not answering the question

[atomic spoke]

there's plenty of people way better than me with better kds, better kpm, better acc, better w/l, more hours, and i'd listen to their opinions on things in the game with significantly more consideration than i'd give someone who has booted the game up, played against them for an hour and quit

[wraith timber]

Listen to oki mfs got the best movement global 😤 🔥 💯

i wanna die

[rapid ginkgo]

Ewwww rush

[sharp orbit]

Rush is basically the only game mode played on every 64 server, mostly because the fast paced gameplay makes it really fun (unless everyones sniping on both teams zzzz)

[brave edge]

frugis domi on 64 is fun

[wraith timber]

[sharp orbit]

Every 6th game or so I tell everyone to vote dom and that usually works, otherwise rush is voted every game

Dom also works well on 64 players due to fast player movement

[brave edge]

tensa 64 dom 💀

[uncut moth]

💀

[uncut moth]

https://clips.twitch.tv/EntertainingEnthusiasticYamWow-dvczV0Ox_BDR2Jg0 @mystic lark are my takes really that bad when this BS is in the game?

the supposed "best player in the world" can't kill this stupid zoomer tech

[wraith timber]

😭

[rapid ginkgo]

birb is not stupid

[trail nacelle]

what a good move... broken xd

[queen patrol]

birb would say otherwise

[trail nacelle]

And they say that Battlebit's movement is good... xd

[cedar flicker]

this is really me when i scapegoat the movement for why the game is dying

least dumb furry

[cerulean steppe]

if i had yet to buy battlebit and saw that I would never have bought this game

[uncut moth]

i was trolling

he would have killed him if he sprayed in the middle of his strafes

no aim required

[cerulean steppe]

i'm being serious though the movement looks like shit in that clip even if you would haved killed him

[uncut moth]

personally i enjoy the movement and believe it should not be changed
simple enough as it is

most people who know how to do it play on non vanilla servers

for 99% of players the amount of deaths they have from people who airstrafe can be counted on one hand

gets blown out of proportion on servers that have people who play regularly

[zinc dove]

if its a small portion of the community, then it can be changed without effecting everyone else. thanks for pointing that out.

[hard solar]

The movement is shit, drastically needs improvement to not drive off casual players

(And yes, even if you're MLG pro, you need casual players to keep the game alive)

[umbral frigate]

How do you come to this conclusion?

You not liking the thing and the game being dead does not necessarily imply that the game died because it had the thing you didnt like

[hard solar]

People both here and reddit complaining about it for months

[umbral frigate]

oh ok

[trail nacelle]

Be careful, at any moment they will counter-argue you with the stupidest argument haha

[hard solar]

"Yea well no uhhhhh putting movement mechanics in would uhhhhh stop me dunking on these scrubs"

"No you don't understand, having no mechanics means you need more skill"

[trail nacelle]

If the arguments are something like that hahahaha

[uncut moth]

image did not send. here's a 🍅

[hybrid grove]

Nerf movement

players should not be able to move when somebody aims at them

its not fair 😧

[trail nacelle]

I'm forwarding this again for those who aren't clear haha

[river cedar]

Movement bad, add inertia

Strongest movement tech is having a seizure

And spamming prone

[wraith timber]

Having a seizure so you effectively don't move but people still miss anyway 🔥

[river cedar]

🗣️🗣️🗣️

[uncut moth]

if you played the game you’d notice this too but you spend more time defeating the meta sweat minmaxers with spreadsheets

[hybrid grove]

jokes on everyone

we are getting exoskeletons with jetpacks

[wraith timber]

I see this as an absolute win

[hard solar]

Hellbit Diveloaded?

[hybrid grove]

I wish

[uncut moth]

catdespair

[fathom bobcat]

Helldivers has better movement

[uncut moth]

me boxing you up with backward sprint side strafe dive…

broke my playermodel 30 minutes into gameplay…

[fathom bobcat]

The frog thing...

Dropshotting bugs

[wraith timber]

I mean, the hunters and rocket devas fuckin hurt

[fathom bobcat]

just dont play bot missions

[wraith timber]

Hunters aren't bots 😭

[fathom bobcat]

rocket devas are

[karmic notch]

There should be ground slam and wall hopping.
So we can do ultrakill movement, like jumping a kilometer high and or leap forward a kilometer

[river cedar]

Tactical backflip

[karmic notch]

Imagine if you could look around on the z axis in a 360 degree

[opal rover]

There should be a movement penalty for rapidly leaning back and forth, or jump + prone spamming. Make the movement slower if they do it too fast, sort of similar to how CSGO/CS2 punishes you for crouching and uncrouching too fast

[umbral frigate]

Literally exactly what you describe is already in game.

[uncut moth]

there already is a leaning penalty...

[opal rover]

Well shit, I'm braindead.