Support - Feedback

[tight narwhal]

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[meager salmon]

otherwise its just annoying

(and make no mistake, balancing team. LMGs are annoying right now because they arent super accurate to offset their poor stats otherwise)

(and please dont buff the movement stats instead of buffing the recoil)

[tight narwhal]

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[weary fog]

I think they wanted to make sure the heli's weren't dominating because there wasn't a reliable anti-air weapon in the game outside of other helis

[tight narwhal]

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[bright umbra]

Fix Bipod

[meager salmon]

fix Demyxa

[bright umbra]

You can’t fix me I have too much trauma

[meager salmon]

stop being relatable, asshole

[tight narwhal]

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[flat sedge]

It is decent, just suffers from reload syndrome is only bit of feedback I can say against it

[bright umbra]

Guys I have an idea

Have we tried fixing the bipod?

[flat sedge]

laser accurate or simply just a good deal of dps to rival what is trying to peek them at least

[woeful linden]

Predicting bipod fix when milsim mode comes out in 6 months

[flat sedge]

M249 wise is your baseline M4 damage profile but with over DOUBLE the horz recoil

mixed in the other debuffs (For reference it has 3 upsides compared to a M4A1,slightly better vertical,bigger mag & the max damage range, everything beside the RoF & Damage is worse pretty much)

[flat sedge]

again I swear heli minigun's targeting reticle just Moves around in a circle manner when I fire it

[tight narwhal]

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[meager salmon]

hm... i think id prefer lower recoil over higher damage. at least for our current two LMGs. M60 would be nice to see it doing like 40 damage with old ultimax recoil

[flat sedge]

Personally I would say having afew guns that go the skoprion route wouldn't be bad

[tight narwhal]

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[meager salmon]

with exceptions (m60)

[tight narwhal]

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[flat sedge]

big on recoil but equally offers a better than average TTK

[meager salmon]

because if theres ever gonna be an exception to that, itll be the M60 🤤

[flat sedge]

hmm, BAR?

[meager salmon]

god i hope they the get the M60 sound right

or at least good

[tight narwhal]

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[meager salmon]

thisll be the MG3 or it wont be an MG3 in my eyes

[flat sedge]

MG3 and/or MG5

[meager salmon]

MG42 gaming

[flat sedge]

I am hoping MG3 just goes the rapid dakka route & the MG5 goes the old L86 with long barrel route

[meager salmon]

and if we dont get a weed skin for the MG3, i will cry

dont ask why

just nod silently

[flat sedge]

so two better than average TTK guns that both serve in a different way but both offering a good reward for taming their recoils

[tight narwhal]

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[bright umbra]

Honey Badger… I know not math wise but with how many shots you will miss because of the unwieldyness and high rof…

Especially with almost mandatory quick mag…

[meager salmon]

ngl id 100% lose a box mag reserve in exchange for 200rnd box

[tight narwhal]

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[meager salmon]

aye, AS Val has the same problem too. HB needs 30+ damage, and Val needs 34 damage, or they will continue to be fairly subpar weapons

[tight narwhal]

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[bright umbra]

HB irons give me depression

[flat sedge]

being honest most irons kinda suck it feels like

[tight narwhal]

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[meager salmon]

i feel like its because they stick way too rigidly to the "blocky" design, so they all come to a fucking square instead of a point. its awful for sniping

[tight narwhal]

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[meager salmon]

irons or canted?

[tight narwhal]

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[meager salmon]

...why

i can understand doin that on the L96

[tight narwhal]

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[meager salmon]

fair enough

but heres a trick

use canted

all you gotta do is scroll, and youve got your peripheral

i do it all the time to scan around at closer ranges

[tight narwhal]

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[meager salmon]

slightly

and for a sniper rifle, the debuffs are literally not even worth worrying about

theyre small debuffs for any gun, and on a sniper they almost flat-out dont matter

[tight narwhal]

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[meager salmon]

dependant on environtment. i actually used to use the 15x on night maps specifically because the thicc-boi reticle was a bit easier to see against the dark environment

but now that night time has been shadow-nuked out of the game, I dont even use long range scopes anymore

[tight narwhal]

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[meager salmon]

sadly

[tight narwhal]

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[meager salmon]

glint is such a dumb mechanic, it turns sniping into playing fucking whack a mole, instead of laying in one spot getting relatively few kills, but you can actually be a good choke-point holder

[meager salmon]

nope. its why i liked night. i can snipe, instead of run and gun snipe lol

[tight narwhal]

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[meager salmon]

aye. and fuck it, the 6x should have any glint at all. its a 6x lmao

[tight narwhal]

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[meager salmon]

i gotten longest kills because of it. ty for the meal

[tight narwhal]

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[meager salmon]

basra?

[tight narwhal]

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[meager salmon]

im in the upper 1800s on two of my rifles

[tight narwhal]

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[meager salmon]

MSR is one of em, i know that for a damn fact, but i dont remember if the other is the L96 or the M200

[meager salmon]

aye. its just another continuation of one of the worst tropes in gaming

but back on topic; fix bipod, fix MG36

[tight narwhal]

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[tight narwhal]

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[tight narwhal]

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[meager salmon]

aye, shotguns fuck IRL

[tight narwhal]

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[meager salmon]

if anything, that alone is probably why Oki doesnt wanna add them. theyd have to perform REALLY arcadey to be balanced, and being that arcadey would kinda stick out among the rest of the pretty harsh game

[gilded dock]

If you wanted to put shotguns in, make em support only, qnd treat them sort of like the sniper rifle: high damage per shot, instant kills on headshot or within a certain range, manual rechambering.

So within 10m? Instant death. Outside of that, up to 50m? Like 2-3 shot kills.

[tight narwhal]

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[gilded dock]

They'd be even easier to balance if the armor system got reworked as well

[tight narwhal]

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[gilded dock]

Or they could just do a ready or not and let us assign slots as we please

[flat sedge]

true

effectively have the vests & the like give you a X amount of slots

[livid carbon]

late to the party but fix bipod

[bright umbra]

Guys have we tried fixing bipod?

[inner monolith]

Let's do this during the next dev stream, they replied to pretty much any topic that was brought up by at least two people

[gilded dock]

I might actually be motivated to attend a dev stream then

[bright umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-deus-vult-intensifies-crusader-gif-17057066

We must gather all the support mains in existence

All 13 of them

And like the dragonballs, we will have a wish granted to us

See he gets it

[inner monolith]

🫡

[river crater]

Oki just hates support and secretly nerfs it each update. Soon Support will be removed

[inner monolith]

1. Create a support challenge every week
2. People now use support to complete the challenge
3. Oh no, class is too popular, must nerf
   It's all part of the plan

[sweet sinew]

Yea, BBR needs more fat acceptance

Not all of us can be medic shitters, some of us were just born this way

Our thyroid problems mean we can only carry LSWs, it's wrong to discriminate against support players just because of their weight

[livid carbon]

supports not only carry their equipment and a humongous set of of buns
they're also incredibly cute and boost combat moral
fix bipod.

[inner monolith]

Support maid skin when?!

[livid carbon]

fixed bipod and more guns
more gun = more boolet

[inner monolith]

Since we're not getting suppression any time soon

How about giving support rubber bullet mag

So you can hit people behind cover by bouncing the bullets off of nearby surfaces

[meager salmon]

can you tell that we support players are getting a bit desperate?

[livid carbon]

me when support

[inner monolith]

Requesting clown facepaint for support since that's what playing the class feels like

[fierce dawn]

support going full juggalomode will give them immunity to the AI Facial Recognition Killdrone the recon gets in 2025

[meager salmon]

i feel like support just keep getting fucked with the half-baked subsystem changes. first it was this crappy new hitreg system, so now we are getting melted EVEN FASTER by guns that really shouldnt mathematicaly be able to kill that fast. now the new player replication "update" has people rounding corners and gunning us down even faster than before, with even less time to react with our already slow ADS times

[fierce dawn]

ICP Camo is op

[shadow walrus]

more guns plz

[livid carbon]

[livid carbon]

every support player ever

[dry bobcat]

Ragdolls no longer blocking bullets will help support players as they dump their 100-round mags into a clump of prone medics, at least

[meager salmon]

so thats what was going on?? never could tell if it was just crappy hitreg or the bodies actually blocking bullets lol

ngl i think it being the bodies pisses me off even more than if it were crappy hitreg LOL

[royal hare]

this made me chuckle

[flat sedge]

ya know, for the update that brings the MG3, we'll need a map where some points are on a coastline for both

[meager salmon]

i still think we need to bring old multu back, and rename new multu to something entirely different. its nothing like old multu. the fucking biome is even completely different

its like... some Mediterranean island, while old multu had a distinct oceania/pacific vibe to it

[bright umbra]

Okay but guys

Have we tried fixing the bipod?

[inner monolith]

But what if the bipod being fixed was the problem all along? 🤔 🤔 🤔

Maybe if it could adjust its angle to surfaces it wouldn't be such a pain in the ass to use

[flat sedge]

hmm, Not to my knowledge but have we tried adding a Tripod mount?

[meager salmon]

forget tripods; give us a quadpod

[inner monolith]

So if Oki is still on that "buff everyone to medic level" bath salts trip, then Support should at least get this

[inner monolith]

The suits should cut you a bonus check

[gilded dock]

Let me have actual exo armor

Have a reason for c4

Let me strap two lmgs to my wrists

Also "Live free in the NC!"

[inner monolith]

Jetpack arms but it's the bullets making you fly

[paper vector]

https://tenor.com/view/die-video-game-run-2d-games-gif-14377450

[inner monolith]

If we're gonna do mobility creep let's do it right

[velvet wing]

Flesh armor when?

[flat sedge]

NC max?

[flat sedge]

DAKKKKKAAAAA!

also yea, if Oki is sticking on the buff everyone to medic power level

lets just go all out with Support getting a proper exo suit

maybe not two guns but have limbs protected by armor

[gilded dock]

Honestly if Oki just made support work like the MAX suit in certain ways Support would instantly be way more viable

[fierce dawn]

Allow support to grapple the smaller, weaker classes who got too close and point blank LMG them while they are helpless

[bright umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/brock-lesnar-german-suplex-daniel-bryan-wwe-survivor-series-gif-13000947

[fierce dawn]

Allow supports who are very effective to continue serving even in death with an extreme form of exo armor

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-gif-18896366

^ future support gameplay

[velvet wing]

I have suggested giving support a grapple hook that pulls things when I'm exo armor

[gilded dock]

No grapple, just let support punch someone and instakill them

[velvet wing]

Teammate running away? Grapple them

Need a car? Grapple it

Enemy tank running away, grapple it

[paper vector]

Let support lift them up by their necks and crush their windpipes

[gilded dock]

I want to absolutely BODY someone

[flat sedge]

(full exo now allows breaking through walls while sprinting & causes 50 damage on colliding with a player)

[velvet wing]

You know supports have a problem when we're becoming like the batman arkham subreddit

[gilded dock]

I would be so down for that

[velvet wing]

Coming up with stupid ideas

[gilded dock]

Full Ogryn, let me crash through people

[fierce dawn]

I mean at the end of the day the idea of somehow buffing it to parity with medic without nerfs requires some pretty stupid ideas

[velvet wing]

Add waterfall dance from Melania

[gilded dock]

This isn't even really a feedback channel anymore, cause the devs don't pay attention

We just meme

[fierce dawn]

Base 200 hp, exo armor covers 100% of the body and regenerates out of combat

[velvet wing]

Optionally, add the moonlight great sword to support

Lasers optional

[paper vector]

The devs don’t directly look at them afaik, I think they’re for the feedback team?

[fierce dawn]

Just absolutely insane stuff to make up for medic being twice the speed and having the best guns and having self healing

[gilded dock]

You think the feedback team pays attention to this thread?

Fool

[flat sedge]

Support mains are Oki's middle child

[flat sedge]

pretty much

no chat slowdown mixed with we talked over pretty much over every point of support several times over for months

So what is there new to speak of involving support feedback that hasn't been said twenty or more times prior?

[paper vector]

fix bipods!

[gilded dock]

The weekly meeting of the cult of fixing bipods is now in session

Fix bipods

[idle valley]

support wishlist

1. fix bipod
2. let exo armor kool-aid man through walls
3. make exo armor cover up the arms and legs

[velvet wing]

We really need that QoL update for the game as a whole

Like, no new content for like 2 updates

Fix the UI up, freshen it up, change some class balance

Add a bunch of qol features, make the game easier to navigate and play (as in menuing)

Add a clown mask to support

[livid carbon]

if ui was so easy

[flat sedge]

Fix bipods

[flat sedge]

and a WH40k Ork mask

[velvet wing]

IT IS

[flat sedge]

Give us a shokk attack gun that can teleport allied players into a enemy vehicle so they can kill the driver & take it over

[velvet wing]

We hath suggested changes

Right click to back out a layer of menu

Adjust the character menu

[gilded dock]

Give support a railgun

[velvet wing]

Add "new item" notifs

[flat sedge]

I know bob would say not

But I desire Battle rifles on support

[velvet wing]

@rain crown is a ho

[flat sedge]

Big bullet guns to make a enemy keep their head down

[velvet wing]

We don't listen to bob

[paper vector]

Support NEEDS suit mounted rocket pods

[flat sedge]

good reach too

[flat sedge]

hmm, Missile Pods

[weary garden]

👍

[gilded dock]

Give support fragmentation rounds for true suppression

[flat sedge]

also flashbang ammo

better yet Ninebang

[velvet wing]

Support needs to be able to summon a human Gundam at will once his friendship meter is high enough

[flat sedge]

NINE FLASHBANGS IN RAPID SUCCESSION WHERE YOU SHOOT!

CONCUSSIONS & SO ON!

[velvet wing]

Why doesn't support just remove they armor? Are they stupid?

[flat sedge]

Because we desire the cold embrace of a heavy anchor

[velvet wing]

Make support drown in water

[flat sedge]

We desire the the comfort of a thick slab of metal

[paper vector]

Let support kill opponents by landing on top of them from heights

[flat sedge]

We desire Cold Hard Steel

Ya know

[paper vector]

Also support should be able to barrel roll (rolling into enemies with sufficient runup will do 90 damage)

[velvet wing]

All of our support suggestions would really make this game peak

[gilded dock]

The support feedback channel is a grand total of 11 regulars being depressed and spamming dumb suggestions in the hopes that one day Oki will actually use one of the real ones to try and make us stop

[gilded dock]

From the moment I knew the weakness of my flesh, it disgusted me

[flat sedge]

Exo armor rework

1. durability increased
2. Now covers all limbs from front & sides, arms get covered on all but the upper end
3. Allows you to break down walls & deal damage to enemies by sprinting into them
4. If in water you sink & can drown, if landed on top of a player, take no fall damage & transfer all you would've taken to the enemy + 50% more
5. Rocket pods on shoulders that are unable to be restocked in field but offer 12x fragmentation rockets
   6, Have a bipod for the arms to be a bipod for the bipod, increases stability massively
6. Increase ammo reserves by +8 magazines rather than +4, throwables by +6
7. 50%-90% non direct explosive resistance while armor is not broken
8. Slows movement by 50% now

YA KNOW I FEEL THIS SHALT BE A GOOD SUIT OF ARMOR TO BALANCE IT ACCORDING TO MEDIC!

[gilded dock]

Double down on the slowness, but now support is the guy you see and hope that he's not looking at you

[flat sedge]

THEM MEDICS GET SPEED & SUSTAIN WHILE SUPPORT GETS RAW FIRE POWER & DURABILITY!

[bright umbra]

if I play medic, I want to run into a support and go "AAAAAAAAAAAA FUCK"

please for the love of god

[flat sedge]

This would 100% do it

[bright umbra]

make them the tank they're meant to be

[flat sedge]

Image just walking into That

You got a guy who can fire his gun + rockets at you at once

[gilded dock]

Support should soak bullets like he's the Payday Bulldozer

[flat sedge]

no frontal weakpoint to easily exploit

and makes him able to bulldoze through a wall if he feels like it & deal damage to those on the other side

o and forgot a explosive resistance

[velvet wing]

Too many points

[bright umbra]

I AM THE FUCKING WALL

[velvet wing]

Shorten to a catch phrase we can chant

[bright umbra]

WE CALL THIS A DIFFICULTY TWEAK

[gilded dock]

Give support the M2 Browning, with no aim down sights

[velvet wing]

I did suggest adding a clown mask

[flat sedge]

MAX SUIT EXO,MAX SUIT EXO!

[velvet wing]

Add anarchist

[velvet wing]

YES

Grug like

[bright umbra]

give support the stoic perk deck

[velvet wing]

Nah anarchist, stoic would be too good

[gilded dock]

When is the next dev stream, we must flood Okis chat

[velvet wing]

Give him hitman lol

Only with payday 2 armor build suggestions

[flat sedge]

armorer perk deck or 300pound gurillea?

[velvet wing]

"WE NEED BULLSEYE ACED, it's vital to the build"

We need it to armor gate

I have 600 hours in payday 2, i can spew this shit like butter in a garlic press

[gilded dock]

https://youtu.be/1bbUeyJ33bg?si=ldwnio3l7_Arl844

[velvet wing]

Can we get 1000 layers of tshirts for support as armor?

[bright umbra]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tQUe8-Rnf4

[velvet wing]

I feel like that'd stop a bullet

Have the shirts rip per shot taken

To reveal his muscular figure

[flat sedge]

Becomes a WH40k TTS version of one of the 3 custodias

[gilded dock]

Supports rank 150 skin is just JACKED

[bright umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[flat sedge]

Just a 8 pack & all forms of shining muscle

[gilded dock]

You don't even need to run into walls to break them, you just walk

[flat sedge]

True but equally cool factor

of just you RAMMING through the wall and into someone knocking them away from you in a stunned state while dealing 50 damage upfront

ya know what

Lets take some Warframe in the mix

https://youtu.be/MsbL8lFHrZI?si=YJbQdLIZURZ8QAaa

Have Support become Rhino

Just able to hit a ability to regen his armor by taking damage for a short time

[gilded dock]

Sprinting into people ragdolls them temporarily

[flat sedge]

https://youtu.be/QC0YNJoz5H8?si=rfoVPrVdIS7_MOFW

I shall enjoy that scene in meet the spy for quite a while

[rain crown]

Still a bad idea.

[rain crown]

And proud.

[gilded canopy]

i dont want to be a hater but damn what they did to my L86 :((

it feels like just another AR but worse now

[meager salmon]

💀

[gilded canopy]

before it was a good 2 burst weapon

[gilded canopy]

Mf doesn't want us to have anything

[rain crown]

I want you to have LSWs and machine guns.

[inner monolith]

Feels like a deadlier AUG to me

But definitely lacking in personality to make you feel like it deserved being in a separate weapon class

[meager salmon]

aye. and if you ask me, LSWs should be distinguished from ARs by having superior recoil and ammo counts (i.e. make the default L86 mag 40-rnd) at the expense of slower movement, slower reload, slower ADS, slower gun handling in general

[gilded canopy]

So you dont want to fix a big issue with the class?

We need another weapon class, 4 weapons (6 when they release the others) arent a good place to be with the class...

[meager salmon]

having them instead be the "high damage, high recoil" ARs is kinda just what an BR is

[rain crown]

You don’t need another weapon class, you need more weapons and they’re adding 6 more of them to support.

[gilded canopy]

Yeah... thats my biggest issue, they took away all the unique things the L86 had

Its kinda ok tho, most people didnt like it that way and they like it more now so :b

[inner monolith]

You mean... making the Light Support Weapons feel like Light Light Machine Guns? I like it tbh :D

[meager salmon]

if you think the Ultimax, as especially the L86, arent in a good place, you need to have a thinksie about what support is actually supposed to function as

[inner monolith]

The Ultimax is in a great spot because I can lay down in front of a tiny hole in a wall and rain death down some hallway pretty comfortably

L86 doesn't feel like it does much more other than kill someone quickly

[gilded canopy]

Yeah, we need more weapons, but right now at the peace that we are going support needs access to another weapon class, 3 devs arent going to be making unique support weapons enough to make the class worth it

Thats the issue, you are restricting a class to have less than 10 weapons for nothing in particular

[inner monolith]

Even the MG36 has at least 10 more rounds

[gilded canopy]

people say the MG36 sucks but imo its the best CQC to Mid-range gun for support

[meager salmon]

well, sorta i guess? but thats what an LSW is anyway. Ask anyone who has deployed IRL with a standard-issue MG36, theyll tell you is literally a G36 with a longer, heavier-duty barrel with an integrated bipod and, usually, a 40-rnd mag

[flat sedge]

6 assuming next weapon batch has two LSGs and/or LMGs

[inner monolith]

So not Light LMG but Heavy AR? :P

[flat sedge]

The questions shall be a when and how long

[gilded canopy]

Yeah tbh i dont even care what weapon class we get but we need another weapon class to kinda patch the issue of support having no weapons...

[meager salmon]

that equates to a heavier gun overall, which means lower recoil overall (and in video game logic, also a longer reload lol)

[flat sedge]

still going to say BRs

[inner monolith]

I mean, it does kinda make it feel like they could just give support access to all ARs and let their class perk be getting access to drum mags which adds all of the slow penalties in exchange for the improved capacity and recoil

[meager salmon]

yeh, but whether you consider those two things to be different is down to the person you ask anyway

[flat sedge]

also as a side note ; why aren't bipods just native to various support guns?

[meager salmon]

because Oki

[flat sedge]

but yea, I shall desire BRs for the defensive support mains everywhere

Would at least double the armory for support by that addition alone (Well, more than double)

(current 4 vs a possible 5 more guns added onto support in one go)

that way support at least has a more comparible numbers & playstyle options to the other frontlines

[inner monolith]

Should be for all LMGs imo

[gilded canopy]

imagine ultimax with a no recoil build + bipod

🥺 💗

[meager salmon]

and that legit is the reason, too. here is a standard-issue MG36 that people have actually deployed with IRL. you can see the bipod, integrated into the gun, and OUT OF THE WAY, NOT AFFECTING YOUR ABILITY TO USE THE GUN, not blocking the underbarrel picatinny rail when stowed

[inner monolith]

And if support was just given ARs they could also get that as their class perk there, with the tradeoff being that you just don't get the benefits of the other grips

[meager salmon]

and you can also clearly see the longer barrel (its also thicker, but the thicc bits are covered by the upper)

[rain crown]

Okay well I’d like to have sniper rifles on engineer then I think that would be fun.

[flat sedge]

Being honest BRs fit a defensive based class like support

[inner monolith]

You already do, it's called RPG and you don't even need to hit headshots for a OHK

[rain crown]

How

[flat sedge]

RPG Heat is such a wonderful tool

[meager salmon]

and heres proof that that is infact a bipod, since its so well integrated into the gun that its hard to tell in that first image (you can also the 100-rnd CMag on this one, which is, i repeat, 100 FUCKING ROUNDS)

[flat sedge]

Still wonder about various oki decisions on support

[gilded canopy]

Engineer doesnt have a weapon variety issue

Mf stop being so dense, you know what is the problem and you know that just adding weapons to the 2 classes of weapons we have will not resolve the issue

[meager salmon]

so yes, oki, make bipods the class-passive for support. even real life militaries do that for their autorifles and machine guns because its fucking smart

[gilded canopy]

Im not advocating for a specific weapon class, just wharever Oki think would be better to balance

BR's as they said actually could fit pretty well with support

I see DMR's being good on support too but i understand if Oki doesnt want to go that route

[flat sedge]

So would the bipod passive be in addition to the building one?

[rain crown]

Recon also has a weapon variety issue, just having more of the same sniper rifles and dmrs doesn’t fix it. We need to give them machine guns to fix this.

[inner monolith]

I don't like the idea of DMRs because then the tankiness from armor (specially when it gets a proper rework) would make you too safe a marksman (e.g. not getting headshotted by snipers would be massive)

[meager salmon]

IMO, yes. i think A) that would be a great synergy once bipod deployment is also fixed, and 2) its my philosophy that we need to first try some methods of balancing support that enhance its current identity, instead of upping its movement speed to its more similar to every other class

[inner monolith]

But BRs would make sense still and I think making that a separate class would be a good idea

[flat sedge]

Gotta whole heartedly agree on enhancing the current idenities of a class

[meager salmon]

if we, as a playerbase, find that the class still needs a movement speed boost because various other things either dont work or arent a big enough net-buff, then yeah, bring up the movement speed. but to start out with that as a buff feels just like a cop-out move IMO

[gilded canopy]

Yeah, i think its not a really good idea, more so if they fix the issue about not being able to replenish armor / still having the debuff after armor breaking

[rain crown]

An armor rework would also be HUGE for support

[inner monolith]

Yeee, I've said before, I wouldn't mind getting even more debuffs from exo e.g. slower bandaging or not being able to use medium/long range optics with helmet, in exchange for a truly meaningful improvement in durability, so we have a more unique class experience overall.

[rain crown]

Fingers crossed we get some sort of system where armor isn’t just a one-off bump of extra health

[gilded canopy]

Recon?, the class known in everygame to have DMR's and Snipers as weapon class? the class with 11 weapons?

You arent arguing seriously...

[rain crown]

You are so so very close

[flat sedge]

Agreed depending how they do it

[inner monolith]

To be fair I don't think DMRs should be counted for recon, there's no reason to pick that classs over any other if you want to use those

[meager salmon]

im still a loud-and-proud proponent of the idea of rounding up the FAL, Scar, G3, and Mk14 and putting them all in their own "Battle Rifle" weapon category. The Scar and FAL are total standouts in the AR category (so is the AK15, but its also not a battle rifle at all), and the G3 and Mk14 also dont really fit well into the DMR family

a side-effect of that would be the ability to give Assault, Engi, and possibly Support some actual mid-range weaponry (ARs can function at medium ranges, but generally arent fantastic at it) without giving them access to the true "semi-auto snipers" that are the DMRs, which IMO should be recon-exclusive

[flat sedge]

would help add some more to recon as a side benefit as well

[meager salmon]

aye. you could remove all DMRs from recon and 9 players out of 10 wouldnt care, because recon is easily the worst class, armour- and gadget-wise, that has access to DMRs, so most people using DMRs are playing as assault or engi anyway.

even I, a recon main through and through, switch to engi if i want to use a DMR. theres no point in using them on recon

[gilded canopy]

based and ratpilled

[meager salmon]

i know not what blackpilled or ratpilled means lol

[gilded canopy]

idk too but its fun

[meager salmon]

lmao

[bright umbra]

Guys I think if we fixed the bipod we’d get somewhere

[meager salmon]

i think youre on to something with that

[inner monolith]

I like the idea of removing DMRs from every non-Recon class. It certainly doesn't fit the Assault theme, would be OP on Support and is on Engi as well since RPG lets you take cover out very easily. Maaaybe I would say Medics could get that instead of SMGs as part of a rework oriented towards pushing them a bit more into the backlines, but then we would still need some extra stuff to make Recon not be the inferior user. And also I know half the playerbase would commit sudoku if they take away their cocaine SMG medics.

[bright umbra]

DMRs are terribly effective, if you want an infinite healing sniper? Go ahead

[flat sedge]

first question on recon I suppose is passives

[meager salmon]

(its so sad to look at a bunch of different people repeating the same thing over and over again in pure desperation for oki and the balance team to pay attention, both here and in threads like the spawning mechanics thread, and to a "dank meme" degree in the RSh thread, and it still all gets ignored)

[flat sedge]

since currently, to my knowledge

they got none

[bright umbra]

Actually they do

[flat sedge]

hmm?

[bright umbra]

It’s very well hidden and barely noticeable

But when you play against them you notice

It’s called “lack of spatial awareness”

It’s a debuff tho

[flat sedge]

lol

I will say this, I do recall one who kept ambushing me when I was attempting to ambush them

[bright umbra]

Must’ve been a bug…

[flat sedge]

threw me for a loop because I was taking it slow & such

[bright umbra]

9/10 recons will shoot at me, see me going toward their direction, then promptly forget about me

[inner monolith]

Well, I've also argued that medkit should become bandage source instead of infinite self-healing. :) Ofc you'd still have more durability, but probably less ammo in exchange. And as I said, Recon can still get some additional benefits (some more ammo probably and also I've suggested making their movement less noisy and increase volume of nearby moving enemies as class perk).

[flat sedge]

will say I recall a time I just when bonkers on a frontline map in valley if I recall is the name (the one with the nuclear power plant cooling silo in middle)

Just ran behind into their zone & shot the very comfortable snipers who felt untouchable

[meager salmon]

well, thats what the sort of niche BRs would fill. it would let classes have the flexibility to operate at ranges in the 100-200m sort of area, without giving them access to veritable sniping-tier weaponry. Especially since, although I didnt mention it, my proposed BR category would keep the current DMR drop-off range and velocities that the G3 and Mk14 currently have, which would of course also be applied to the Scar and FAL. I think that would be a perfectly find arsenal of medium-range weapons for medics to use a bit further back from the frontline

[inner monolith]

Ooh no drop off FAL sounds sexy.

[meager salmon]

right? its so dumb having it have "artillery cannon" levels of recoil, but only AR falloff, which means players just end up using it as a big-boy SMG

speaking of artillery cannons... anti-material rifles for recon when?

[flat sedge]

might as well ask

How are AM rifles going to be balanced

[meager salmon]

(only half joking. RPGs being the only way for infantry to have area-denial capabilities against tanks and APCs is dumb. it would also probably synergise oddly well with a BR-carrying support player. the recon has a bigass rifle that is meant primarily for use against vehicles, and the support has a mid-range rifle to keeping the unit safe from other infantry, as well as ammo for recon, since the AM rifles would probably have very low ammo reserves)

[flat sedge]

not saying it is impossible to clarify

[inner monolith]

Blacklight Retribution had this very cool design where the AM rifle had a single shot so you had to reload every time and also it would insta kill you if it so much touched the pixel at the end of your pinky.
(it was not cool it was annoying af please never have something like that)

[meager salmon]

if i had it my way, thered be three of them. one would be a very light anti-material rifle, used mostly to inflict devastating damage against trucks, RHIBs, etc, and only be able to poke and prod at tanks and APCs without being any major threat to them, and would have 1100-1200 velocity. the heaviest one would probably only have 900-950 velocity, but deal enough damage to tanks and APCs that they wouldnt be able to just sit in the same spot while repeatedly taking shots from this rifle. and the middle AM rifle would sit, you guessed it, somewhere in the middle with its velocity and vehicle damage, and thus would probably be a great choice for dealing with troublesome choppers

as for infantry damage, i think around 70 damage for all three of the rifles would be fine, as they would not be meant for use against infantry, but should still obviously smack a medic harder than the SSG, for example, and i also dont think there would be much need for infantry-damage variation among them, since thats not their role and shouldnt be a factor to consider when picking your AM rifle

oh, and its also worth mentioning that i think this would also be an alternative way of nerfing the M200, by bringing its velocity down a bit, making it a way slower rifle to carry and handle, but moving it to a different niche altogether, since the .400 Cheytac cartridge is considered by some to be the very entry-level calibre for anti-material use

[inner monolith]

I mean the Barrett M82 could punch through a sandbag so it might have a niche against fortified positions (but like, first make fortifications actually decent please).

[meager salmon]

true, but im not sure that the game currently supports actual penetration of fortifications in any capacity. they only get damaged and gradually torn down

(also, my idea was the hecate for the medium AM rifle, as having all three of them be bolt actions would make it way easier to balance them vs a semi-auto)

[inner monolith]

I guess it could do like a very narrow cylindrical AoE damage along the direction of impact

[meager salmon]

that could work. or just have them all deal enough damage to sandbags to remove a majority of the sandbag wall in a single shot, and then make rebuilding it slower for a short period of time after it gets shot?

(honestly, i think that could be a good idea just for the game in general, as being able to rebuild fortifications way faster than any one (or even several) enemies can damage them is kinda jank)

[flat sedge]

depends on class to my knowledge

and the object

support being the fastest (part of the passive)

[inner monolith]

I love fortificaitons but I do think it's jank that walls just go splat when hit by Rockets but your sandbags just stand there like "huh, that tickled"

[bright umbra]

You know what would be great to put on those fortifications

A bipod of sorts

[meager salmon]

bipods

[bright umbra]

He gets it

[flat sedge]

or possibly a tripod

[meager salmon]

did someone say quadpods...

[bright umbra]

Quintpod…?

[meager salmon]

👀

[meager salmon]

hexapod is the bestapod

[bright umbra]

Octapod

Yo ceilingpod when???

Ceiling mounted LMG?

[meager salmon]

fuck it, just give us spiderman DLC

[flat sedge]

hmm Give me the ability to make ceilings as a constructable item

I have some ideas

Some very, Interesting ideas

[bright umbra]

Proper LMG Entrenchments?

[fierce dawn]

Let support dig holes and fill them with spikes then disguise the top

Give support a skateboard and a damage mult based on how sick your last combo was

[bright umbra]

Give support anything at this point

[meager salmon]

this is BBR, not rising storm vietnam

[fierce dawn]

Let support build a cool half pipe so they can do the 900 and maximum damage

[bright umbra]

Upgrade the pickaxe gadget to diamond only for support

[meager salmon]

.338 Lapua LMG?

[fierce dawn]

I'm just suggesting stuff from Tony hawk's pro skater 2

Let's support play as Spider-Man if you enter a secret code

[bright umbra]

Give Support Armor Unbreaking 3 and Mending

[meager salmon]

were... were punji sticks in a tony hawk game?

[fierce dawn]

Yes

[meager salmon]

oh

next question

why

[bright umbra]

You know exactly why

[meager salmon]

no, i dont

why does a skating game need a vietnam-era lethal booby trap?

[bright umbra]

Wow ok

[fierce dawn]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dnOk-197DGE

[bright umbra]

Fuck you bot

[bright umbra]

You know exactly why

[meager salmon]

MY GOD

WHAT THE FUCK

[fierce dawn]

It was a great game

[bright umbra]

Bro thought moon was kidding

Little did he know

[meager salmon]

i thought there was some sort of kernel of truth. i didnt expect an entire bag of truth kernels tho

[bright umbra]

This is beyond truth kernels, this is truth popcorn

[meager salmon]

yeah i mean, that punji pit will certainly pop somethin

[bright umbra]

My vital organs, hopefully

[fierce dawn]

Look if it's good enough for Spider-Man to make an a skatepark it should be very effective for support to use in battle bit two decades later

It gives some nice counterplay versus flankers

[meager salmon]

also, as far as adding it to BBR; i think you might actually be onto something there. mines are small and have a relatively low chance of being stepped on, and all classes have mines. a punji stick pit would, in theory, be much bigger, hard to see, and would be hard to "unbuild" (undig?) for enemies even after its been stepped on and revealed. might be a good alternative to barbed wire in places where you dont necessarily have walls on either side

and obviously be support-exclusive

and also probably have a low max-allowed per squad, to prevent it from being overwhelming?

[fierce dawn]

Of course

If you didn't limit it lower than like 20 you would have people dig out the entire map

[meager salmon]

i dunno, i dont really see any particular reason why BBR shouldnt have certain vietnam/cold war-era stuff in it. its an "FPS game", not a "modern-world FPS game". no harm in mixing stuff from different eras

[meager salmon]

😏

actually it would be pretty neat to watch the players of a server turn waki or sandy into all-out trench warfare

[fierce dawn]

Waki bridges can get close

Sandy has too much room for snipers I think

[meager salmon]

"CHAAAARGE" 60 tickets vanish from the team all at once

[flat sedge]

(Whistles)

I may had err

Made some complex creations on the waki bridges

[meager salmon]

nah but this would happen all over the map

ngl now i find myself wishing voxel was more popular

[flat sedge]

This may happened across the entirity of one of the bridges

[gilded canopy]

i would love to be able to clip my builds so i can build in the middle of wakistan bridge and make a fort

[flat sedge]

been doing some screen shots here of mine

[meager salmon]

i feel like that would be... rather abusable

[gilded canopy]

Yeah maybe thats why they didnt add it in the first place

I do think that you shoudnt be able to unbuild other teams fortifications that fast / without sound (both actually)

[meager salmon]

100%

unbuilding enemy shit should have been changed a long time ago

[flat sedge]

Agreed

should be at least longer for non supports

[meager salmon]

longer for all classes, and really fuckin noisy

[flat sedge]

I would also say maybe having some stuff like a riot shield out being unable to decon

[fierce dawn]

yeah it sucks having your fort just disappear

same thing kind of happens with c4 if its so noisy you cant hear it go off

just oops there goes your barricades

[shadow walrus]

every now and again the non-holed sandbags just go on cooldown for no reason when i open the build menu, am i just crazy or is anyone else experiencing this

[bright umbra]

All builds have a cool-down so you can’t crank 90s

[meager salmon]

but keep the dragging bodies with shield out thing. thats one of the only things the shield has goin for it lol

[weary garden]

If anyone else in your squad uses a buildable it goes on cooldown

[shadow walrus]

oh

i did not know that

[bright umbra]

Should’ve read the Bible

Says it right there in Support 2:17

[velvet wing]

Lunchbox for support

[flat sedge]

Sandvich is good

[meager salmon]

ramen bowl

[paper vector]

exo chestplate without helmet is on average more durable and faster than full heavy armour

[flat sedge]

hmm?

[paper vector]

fun support fact

[flat sedge]

personally I find exo helmet & your choice of chest to be better

I just find my chest plate doesn't take the damage often enough to worry about it beside for ammo & grenades

[paper vector]

exo helmet is big slow

[flat sedge]

equally it always offers protection

[paper vector]

wdym

chest shots are more common than head shots

on nvm misinterpreted

[flat sedge]

I won't disagree, Body shots (aka everything but headshots) are more common

equally I just find my chest armor gets bypassed way too frequently

because more & more people aim for either limbs or head

[paper vector]

exo chestplate with medium helmet on average gives about a 48.9% durability boost for -10% speed. exo helmet + medium chestplate would be about 36.9% more resistant in exchange for -10% speed as well I think.

[fierce dawn]

also theres no "empty" option for support's head, the lowest you can go is a standard helmet last time i set my stuff up

[paper vector]

false, this is only true among very good players

the vast majority don't even try to aim limbs

[fierce dawn]

so you may as well tank up vs the inevitable recon headshot

[paper vector]

or at least it seems that way

[paper vector]

yeah I meant medium

which also gives you 7.5% better aimdown speed, mildly nice

[flat sedge]

This assumes they hit the chest in the first place

[paper vector]

I have decided that now the best support loadout is medium backpack (since the bug that made it bad was fixed) and exo chestplate

[paper vector]

In most engagements people will hit your chest at least once or twice

[flat sedge]

I just find it increasingly more common to find guys who aim for legs as a example

[paper vector]

I should do another survey on it tbh

[flat sedge]

Also Chest once or twice can equally be solved by a heavy chest I suppose

Not fully to clarify

[paper vector]

heavy armour is about 40.8% more durable than base

[flat sedge]

but for the trade of less armor you do get more mags & throwables to work around

while keeping the "All but M200" one time headshot protection

mixed with the face mask of exo helping out some in a face to face gun fight

[paper vector]

I don't account for snipers so that's true

TTK stats don't really work on them

[flat sedge]

well to use a STK it is a 100% improvement

[paper vector]

assuming a headshot which is not guarunteed

and also assuming no prior damage

the assumptions are too broad to work into any meaningful measure imo

[strange field]

Hey. I wanna see supports get some love and some shotguns, maybe tear gas and a gas mask too. That's all. Thanks bye

[fierce dawn]

thank u for your support

[inner monolith]

!shotguns

[wild pilot]

Are you planning the addition of shotguns?

NO

[gilded dock]

How about this: man-portable flak cannon. One shot, fires a shotgun blast of special anti-air projectiles. Can one shot a single infantry target, or do heavy damage to air vehicles and trucks.

It would be supports version of the rpg, and would serve as an answer to air vehicles.

Flak trooper reporting

[zenith carbon]

Leaning on this: support/engi recoiless cannons

You can buy it with squad points and they just eviscerate small structures and light armored targets

[fierce dawn]

placeable M7 turrets

[meager salmon]

or better yet

fix bipod

[tight narwhal]

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[velvet wing]

It has that weird stuff coming off the front too

Like where the bipod is supposed to be. Like an extended hand guard grip thing

[tight narwhal]

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[gilded dock]

All of supports weapons have spots for bipods, but the bipod never ends up there

[meager salmon]

this is a hill ill die on; SPMG as the big big boy LMG

[fierce dawn]

thats a chonky boi

[meager salmon]

oh yeh

fires an equally chonky round

.338 Lapua Magnum

y'know

the same round the L96 and MSR shoot

you cant tell me that wouldnt be fun

massive damage, massive recoil (for an LMG)

and slow as fuuuuuck

it would be the ultimate weapon pairing for exo armour

and no oki, i will not stop asking for this gun

[shell hound]

That's a balancing strut so the barrel doesn't warp when firing without giving it time to cool down somewhat.

[meager salmon]

because the L86 is a fucking goofy rifle

[shell hound]

Oh 100%.

[meager salmon]

quinessentially british

[shell hound]

Germans had to take it apart then unfuck the problems to make it somewhat useable in the case of the L85s.

[meager salmon]

the logical thing would have been to add fins to give the barrel additional surface area for cooling. but the brits? nah. support strut on mah rifle

[shell hound]

Or use a larger barrel external diameter, but NoOoOo! Use the same profile as the L85s!

[meager salmon]

or you know, just dont design such a fucking long bullpup

[meager salmon]

brits and their funny military priorities

[fierce dawn]

in the words of a british guy i know "its one of those british things that exists so some politician can slap it and say 'ats a noice bit o' kit on the news"

[meager salmon]

but hey, the brits also brought the L96 to the world stage, so it balances itself all out

[shell hound]

3 guys in a shed!

[meager salmon]

and thus the lineage of a certain down-sized L96 was set to be unleashed on the world of FPS games

[meager salmon]

the pinnacle of british engineering, be it for cars or guns

(and way more effective than it has any right to be)

[shell hound]

TBF shed built shit tends to be better than anything a government contractor shits out.

[meager salmon]

true. aint gotta worry about mass-manufacturing corner-cutting if it aint mass manufactured

[zenith carbon]

Too bad that's getting rarer and rarer as local manufacturers get tighter restrictions on what to make

[meager salmon]

moreso, its getting harder and harder to compete with companies that outsource parts and labour to countries with lax labour laws. outsourcing has become so stupendously cheap, that the 'expensive' stuff nowadays was much more "normal-tier" a few decades ago

its hard for small companies to compete with mass-production at all, much less to do it without cutting corners

(especially when the big companies are cutting even more corners)

[zenith carbon]

It also gradually became national security policy worldwide as the cold war ended and the Americans shifted rhetoric to 'terror' and the new political zeitgeist turned completely against the autonomous handling and production of weapons

Hence a new generation of local ripoffs of western tech as opposed to the rise of local alternatives

[flat sedge]

Well looking at the top end of a sniper (a weapon made to HS) so a HS on a full health target isn't too far of a stretch

it at least allows you the possibility of surviving compared to others

which means you have at the very least a possibility to avoid a otherwise normally impossibility

[zenith carbon]

fix bipod

[inner monolith]

fix bipod

[bright umbra]

dopib xif

[inner monolith]

Don't forget y'all, tomorrow is the day
https://discord.com/events/303681520202285057/1150525076454776852

[gilded dock]

fix bipod

[velvet wing]

Lmao don't care, where's my skateboard

[meager salmon]

Let's get them to pay attention to RSh and MSR too, yeah?

Oh and SSG, because 500m zeroing and 900 velocity on a sniper is fucking dumb

Let's start fixing the broken shit instead of the stuff that already works

[idle valley]

imho

SSG should just get more movement speed. either 1.05 or 1.10

that way it has a niche in letting you be more mobile than other sniper rifles

[livid carbon]

fix bipod, fix rsh, fix sniper balance, bring scorpion to assault.

[meager salmon]

1000m zeroing is the bare minimum for sniper rifles if you ask me. And the ssg velocity being lower than most DMR is also total bullshit

Especially for the first sniper you get. It should be a pretty damn solid choice, not have the velocity of a fucking anti material rifle

[idle valley]

sure, 1000m and higher movement speed

but also, i don't think mid scopes should be able to zero in

there needs to be a reason to use long range scopes, and as is there is literally none. the glint is far too detrimental, and you can get super long range kills with mid range scopes just as easily

[meager salmon]

all scopes, sights, and irons can be zeroed. its one of those things that, if a game does it, it does it for all sights as it becomes a sniper-rifle advantage if limited to just long-range scopes

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[inner monolith]

Ok but off to https://discord.com/channels/303681520202285057/1138399620570038365 with you

[meager salmon]

grrrr

think about it this way, the more intermingled all these feedback threads are, the higher chance of shit getting seen by oki :P

[livid carbon]

not at all
just makes things even more difficult to sort through

[meager salmon]

hmm, fair enough

ill move that shit over to recon and/or attachments

some of it, anyway

[idle valley]

i mean, good?

do you really need to zero in with a kriss?

zeroing in is for long range engagements, and sniper rifles are for long range engagements. DMRs could zero in too with the 6x scope

[meager salmon]

zeroing is for whatever range you zero to

[idle valley]

it's a waste of time for ranges where bullet drop doesn't even come into play

[meager salmon]

and forcing DMRs to use a glinting scope to be able to zero would kinda just suck

but again, over to https://discord.com/channels/303681520202285057/1138534897246556301

[idle valley]

can always just get good at predicting the bullet drop. it'd be an active choice, do i want to be able to zero in for easy long range kills, or do i want to be harder to spot?

[meager salmon]

sure, but to what end? what would removing it accomplish if you can just "adjust for the drop"?

especially on things like ARs and DMRs, where i think it would be a rather unfair nerf that just isnt needed

[idle valley]

i genuinely don't understand the use case scenario for zeroing in with ARs. at the point where you would need to zero in, the damage fall off already reduced your damage to nothing

"but to what end" to make mid scopes and long scopes compete against one another, rather than one being objectively better

mid scopes would require predicting bullet drop, in exchange for no glint. meanwhile long range scopes would allow for far easier long range kills, at the cost of being much easier to spot. you'd have to weigh the pros and cons and choose the right scope for the right situation. right now, there is literally no reason to use long range scopes

[meager salmon]

https://discord.com/channels/303681520202285057/1138534897246556301 :)

[paper vector]

Me zeroing my rifle to deal 15 damage to a sniper 1km away (I have a very slight chance of killing them)

[weary fog]

zero to 50 m then ignore XD

[paper vector]

what's the point in doing that?

that will account for like 2.5cm of bullet drop for an AR

[velvet wing]

Bullet shoots higher. Aim at the chest might get a headshot

I don't do it, but that's probably why

[paper vector]

2.5cm at point blank

[lethal river]

played a game just then holed up on an upper floor and i swear all our walls just got unbuilt from the bottom

🗿

[livid carbon]

squad spawning at its finest

[velvet wing]

That's not squad spawning

That's being able to unbuild stuff for a floor down

Which is also wack

[livid carbon]

wrong fricking chat 💀

[velvet wing]

Smh, hate better

[dry bobcat]

I did my part!

[livid carbon]

i did my part

[royal hare]

welp looks like were getting a mag LMG/SW next

[meager salmon]

not an MG? sadge

(i dont consider mag-fed lmgs true lmgs)

(give me 100-rnd box dakka or give me death)

[royal hare]

larry said today that the belt feds need a animation rework

[weary garden]

I'm 90% sure this has been brought up before but hey at least y'all know what's up now

They also said they individually animate every bullet in the box mag

and don't want to do that

[royal hare]

yeah i remember you mentioning it but its good to hear it from the liquidhorses mouth

[weary garden]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/722404331114070057/911475890997825536/ZqR2Idi.gif

That's still Aug HBAR and RPK while we wait

[royal hare]

true

[weary garden]

maybe scar hamr and m27 IAR in the near future

and eventually beltfeds

[royal hare]

shit ill take the scar hamr

[shadow walrus]

what exactly needs to be reworked abt it?

[meager salmon]

well for one, the belt exits the chamber with the bullet still in the cartridge

[royal hare]

i know what thing he mentioned is wanting the actual belt to have no bullets on it when you run out of ammo

[meager salmon]

alternative; support infinite ammo when

[royal hare]

ill take anything at this point lol

[velvet wing]

support infinite ammo belt

but you move even slower

[lethal river]

Shit was goofy as hell

[tight narwhal]

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[lethal river]

Yeah nah that makes sense, it's more so being on the floor below and being able to dismantle the sandbags on the floor above

I turned around and i just see all our walls have just disappeared 😭

[hot solar]

i still rhink the mag feed LMGs already in the game should have an option to use normal sized mags

and not just be stuck with drum mags

like both the Ultimax and the M249 can take basically m4 mags

could be like a quick mag option for then that would increase handling some on them and greatly improve movement speed

[alpine hornet]

That would be cool, fast support build

[bright umbra]

Did they fix bipod yet?

[weary garden]

Attachments as a whole are being worked on

[livid carbon]

bipod fix

[meager salmon]

A bipod fix 100% needs to come separately and sooner.

[woeful linden]

Thank you for the update, secret feedback server dweller. ❤️

My soul can rest easy.

[weary garden]

No, Larry just said it on stream Saturday lmao

[woeful linden]

Oh shit lmfao, thanks anyways. Only got to catch like 1/3rd the strem

[weary garden]

I have no access to okis harem

[weary garden]

Noted

[flat sedge]

I have stupid idea for the meme time
Add the Skorpion Evo to support

[heavy sage]

support should get a gadget that replenishes ammo for itselfs and its allies

would be a heavy gadget so you would have to choose between ammo and armor

[velvet wing]

Skorpion with a drum mag 😎 👉 👉

[flat sedge]

How big?

[velvet wing]

Big enuff

[flat sedge]

Gud Dakka I gitz ya

[jade cairn]

That’s like any defense though.

Imagine trying to dismantle barbed wire fences while someone is shooting at you. Not very fun, believe me.

[velvet wing]

you don't gotta do that tho, just shoot them on the side. Works ok

unless you mean teammate ones lol

[jade cairn]

Lol

[hot solar]

could add on to this and just make smaller 50 round mags for a mid ground with just a bit better handling and a bit mover movement speed

[fierce dawn]

give it a bipod

lets fucking go

[nimble ice]

being killed with Glock as a support is probably the most humiliating expirience ever

[shell hound]

And yet it happens way too often.

[sweet sinew]

Glonk stronk

[livid carbon]

good ol' german austrian engeneering

[idle valley]

very balanced sidearm

[shell hound]

But you hose a medic and he just turns around and shreds you with a PP2000.

[livid carbon]

but remember exo's op

[paper vector]

exo nerf concept:

• torso HP decreased to 17
• helmet faceplate removed
• 30% extra aimdown time penalty to exo helmet
• exo users can no longer move while aiming down sights
• attempting to vault now results in the player taking 1 damage from over-exertion

[heavy sage]

Why tf would you nerf exo armour itd dogshit

[paper vector]

that was the joke

[heavy sage]

Thank God

[zenith carbon]

i don't think you did enough; i think you also need to have your location broadcasted live the moment someone pings you for 15 seconds

[bright umbra]

You actually forgot to add a reload penalty of 15HP because you’re just not that flexible anymore

[livid carbon]

you also forgot the inability to hipfire

[meager cypress]

hipfiring the mg3 should spin you around XD

[sweet sinew]

you realise exo is garbade right? you want to make it weaker?

[livid carbon]

it's a joke

[bright umbra]

nuance is truly lost in this community

[livid carbon]

who needs nuance if you can have a 1.1 dmg multiplier on a hardcore server with the l86

[long relic]

When new lmg

Mg42 go brrr

Give us an lmg that wallbang

[livid carbon]

a 50cal. should do that

mg3 and mg5 gonna be lit tho

[fierce dawn]

having just hit 100 for the 4th time its unreal how bad support feels without the ultimax

at 45 you get to shed your weighted anime training gear and move at a decent speed, at 100 you get the gun you want to be using

[livid carbon]

armor, bipod need fixing and support needs more guns
unfortunatly we ain't gonna be getting beltfeds any time soon because larry animates those in a weird way ._.

[still ledge]

i think support should be able to use the two sides of the spectrums of fps class games, and honestly when i think about it, kinda makes sense in my head

as a class you can go to the same route as the assault and medic and be more focused on having more speed to build and give ammo to your teammates as fast as possible and with that be able to push foward with them but you wont have the benefit of 100 rounds guns and more survivability than the others, while the other is a more defensive focused support that can take rounds of bullets like breakfast but be terrible in fights you are not prepared and in the open, while being focused on holding a choke and being a barrier to the enemy

like considering guns like the ultimax and m249 you should have low recoil when prone and stationary but more ads and reload time when walking aswell as a slow than average walk speed so you cant win sudden 1v1s and when out of your position, while the l86 and mgc6 you are more focused on those 1v1s but can lean towards the lmg rout with bigger magazines

[flat sedge]

Time for the ye ole fix bipod

[gilded dock]

Did I hear a fix bipod?

[bright umbra]

If you don’t fix bipod, you ain’t coming home!

[shadow walrus]

whats this about a bipod fix?

[gilded dock]

Thank you for getting that reference you beautiful dwarf

[paper vector]

hey guys i think bipod could use some wrok

[bright umbra]

Ok but have we considering maybe fixing the bipod?

[weary garden]

bipod fix any minute now

[upper violet]

https://tenor.com/view/truck-crash-gif-10492368

[bright umbra]

It’s gonna happen, just you wait…

Any moment now…

[livid carbon]

soon(TM) 💯

[long relic]

Nawwwwwwww bipod is fineeeeee

[shadow walrus]

every day i check the upcoming updates hoping to see a new support weapon or bipod fix or some changes to armor that support would benefit from

im like a kid checking the calendar every day to see how many days left till christmas

[livid carbon]

fr

[weary garden]

womp womp

[woven fossil]

Goddamn honestly just give us something already 3 weeks straight of support challenges to gather data ain't enough for a numbers change in the guns or armor?

[meager salmon]

If i had to guess, I'd say oki is probably currently taking a much needed break to rest and refresh lol. And also maybe hopefully give some thought to hiring a second developer to help relieve his very unreasonable workload, but also ideally a different gamestyle perspective from Oki's so that other gamestyles, such as Support and Recon, dont have to keep being neglected as far as updates are concerned

[weary garden]

Womp womp

[dry bobcat]

Lol, "gathering data"

[weary garden]

that's the excuse

[royal hare]

since weve added challenges more people have been playing support so no changes are needed /s

[flat sedge]

any reason you say that?

[royal hare]

nah just meming on the "gathering data"

[still ledge]

after gathering data about the effectivness and usage of the support class

we have come to a conclusion to buff medic

[bright umbra]

Guys guys guys

I’ve got an idea

We fix bipod

[royal hare]

https://tenor.com/view/building-fall-window-broke-window-escape-gif-22513947

[bright umbra]

You know what would’ve kept that from happening?

If he had a bipod.

[winter blaze]

I think Support class should be able to equip no helmet and/or no body armor. That gives you a 10% or 20% buff to aiming speed which all of its guns badly need but you still won't sprint as fast as other classes because all of their guns are slow anyway

[livid carbon]

the guns will still aim slowly and that entire suggestion goes completely fricking contrary to what support is 💀
fix the bipod and guns, then we're talking

[velvet wing]

It's true, he would've been more stable

[weary garden]

What is support but an ammo mule with an ammo based gun

I don't see an armor refilling kit but I do see a bullet refilling kit

[livid carbon]

well it got the "hardest" to kill armor in the game so you'd expect to have something there, but nahhh medic gets all the funsies while squad leader dies, assault nearly drowns, recon just snipers (and badly so) and support's on life support

[flat sedge]

SL Is in a coma

[velvet wing]

Had a man screamin in chat that lmgs were OP yesterday 💀

Actual gaslighter

[livid carbon]

i need those drugs man

[long relic]

M249 is fun sometimes

But they need buff

Mg42 go brrrrrr

[fringe tree]

Normal armor/ helmet/ backpack and L86. Play as if you ware an assault. Being the general setup for me lately

[paper vector]

I go exo chestplate, normal helmet, normal backpack, usually ultimax but sometimes l86

Seems to be the best combo to me

[shell hound]

Exo helmet, heavy armor, normal backpack, MG36/Ultimax.

[livid carbon]

exo helmet, normal armor, big backpack, ultimax/l86

[still ledge]

exo, heavy armour, big backpack, ultimax, m249 and l86

i just keep changing them when depending on the map most of the time

[paper vector]

Big backpack seems not worth it to me

Using normal gives you one less C4 and one less ammo kit but that’s still plenty

[still ledge]

tbh this just comes that i get almost zero reason to go to my character menu and change stuff

kinda like after you put some attachment in your gun, you rarely or ever change it because you like it or just can deal with it

but i do like the extra ammo and c4 because i use it as a extra mobility option or opening some sightlines in some places

and ammo so i can use one selfish when i run out of ammo, 1 to trow on places people tend to pass and the last to keep people full on ammo without droping it

[flat sedge]

which normal?

one of them (rank like 175) has different stats than the others to my knowledge

[paper vector]

Backpack

[meager salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/dora-dora-the-explorer-backpack-dora-backpack-nick-tv-gif-5485881

[bright umbra]

Is there a bipod in that backpack?

[long relic]

You use the umbrella

But only if you have premium

Otherwise you use the weak bendy soft flower like most of us do currently

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[paper vector]

That shouldn’t be possible unless there’s some extreme packet loss going on, coupled with extreme bad luck

[tight narwhal]

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[paper vector]

Ping would be pretty much irrelevant for this

[paper vector]

Yeah that’s just latency

Doesn’t make it easier for them to kill you as you were out of cover for the same time period, in that case they kill you fair and square

It’s just the result is unsatisfying

[tight narwhal]

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[paper vector]

that is true

Hopefully it will improve

[tight narwhal]

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[heavy sage]

give support a gadget that repairs armour for itself and teamates

heavy gadget

also armour shouldnt debuff after its destoyed

do that and i think support is fine honestly

maybe make the movement speed slightly faster tho

for exo

also fixing bipod would be nice

[livid carbon]

maybe just give that to the heavy ammo box and give it a more fitting name "mobile armory" or something along those lines
slightly buffed exo + fixed bipod's muh dream

[heavy sage]

nah i think it should be a different gadget

i feel it would be too strong being able to resupply everything

plus making people choose between armor and ammo can open differnet playstyles for support

[livid carbon]

ok yeah right, fair point
but it shouldn't come at the expense of resupplying ammo imo

[velvet wing]

That's entirely the point of it smh

[livid carbon]

then it's kinda dumb for support

[alpine hornet]

Agree

[velvet wing]

I think Support can be more than the ammo man

[heavy sage]

it already builds stuff

[velvet wing]

I'd actually be down for a class like medic as well being more than just a healer. Like maybe giving medic some drugs that can replace the kit and does stuff

I'm saying like replacing the ammo kits

Like sub classes in a sense

[heavy sage]

Yeah I agree with that

if support got a armour repair tool

it would be cool if medic got syringes

as a replacement for medkit

[velvet wing]

I think giving alternate ways to play would be good for every class in general. Assault already has some stuff that alters how you play a bit (c4 trading with nade trophy, riot shield, etc), so recon, medic, and support should all also get alternates

I think a big strength of battlebit is the sort of Frankenstein-ing of classes you can do. You can make support much faster in exchange for no armor (if you're a heathen), you can make medic run at mach 10, you can make recon also kind of run at mach 10 (no smgs 🙁 ), engineer can attacc or protec.

So for support in particular, it'd be cool to be able to support with armor, or support with ammo. Not both though, probs would be too stronk

[alpine hornet]

Very agree ^

[bright umbra]

@velvet wing you didnt mention the bipod in any of those messages

[velvet wing]

This is true

add bipod to armor

[flat sedge]

ONE BIPOD FOR EACH ARM AND TWO TRIPODS FOR THE LEGS!

[fringe tree]

what about a bipod for the ammo pack?

[simple night]

Supports should get the fully supplied bonus when supplying teammates like the fully healed bonus.

[velvet wing]

Honestly

not a bad idea for the packs

elevate them off the ground a bit

[flat sedge]

I tend to set my packs up on a barrier by a sandbag (more eye level thus more people notice)

[bright umbra]

As a medic main, I approve of this

also because its like one of the suggestions literally everyone agrees on

there is like zero contest

any time it gets brought up everyone just agrees

[sweet sinew]

Since we'll never have AA missiles, I'd really like to see LMGs do more damage to choppers, especially littlebirds

[velvet wing]

Do agree

[flat sedge]

so how much more out of curiousity?

[sweet sinew]

easily double

[heavy sage]

more than aug

[fierce dawn]

I'm not sure what the exact number it would take, but if I catch a little bird taking off and empty my ultimax into it, it should be severely messed up

Same for drilling a Blackhawks tail rotor, but I think that actually dies with a reasonable amount of damage.

Don't get too many chances to test it because they're usually doing their best to make sure you don't hit it lol

[drifting mulch]

I like support but it sucks when they shoot his exo armor down but he's still slow as molasses. He has no way to regain it back either until he dies too.

[fierce dawn]

and youre stuck in that iron coffin til rank 45

every prestige

[still ledge]

why prestige anyways

[fierce dawn]

to get that sweet halloween camo bc its spooky month

[meager salmon]

Is there some new camo??

[fierce dawn]

prestige 2, 3000 kills

halloween colors

[meager salmon]

Oh. Yeah no just run the SSG69 scythe skin :3

[gilded dock]

Petition for Exo armor to give passive recoil reduction

[flat sedge]

Hmm, explosive resistance?

[gilded dock]

That too

Additionally, possibly a hot take, like 3-5 passive damage resistance

[fierce dawn]

Petition for Exo armor to give ~~passive ~~ massive recoil reduction

[gilded dock]

Then we just do what others have suggested and give support the battle rifles

[velvet wing]

I suggested adding kinetic force buildup as you run that can crash you through walls

Summary: run for a bit and you can burst through a wall kool-aid man style

[gilded dock]

All of these

Make support actually act like the juggernaught that he looks like

[still ledge]

bulldozer time

[bright umbra]

YOURE GOING UP AGAINST THE WALL

AND I AM THE FUCKING WALL

[livid carbon]

🤨📸

[velvet wing]

When they don't get the reference smh

[fierce dawn]

when you come to it
and you cant go thru it
and you cant knock it down
you know that you found
THE WALL, THE WALL, THE WALL

[alpine hornet]

+1

[gilded dock]

Ragdoll people when you sprint into them

[flat sedge]

Chugga chugga choo choo

[livid carbon]

*I like trains..."
neeeeeiiiiiwwwwwwwwwww

[gilded dock]

Here comes the pain train

[livid carbon]

why am i seeing lyrics in that 💀

[gilded dock]

https://youtu.be/O1QNyN8aDCY?si=CcHT0gcQSrblINtI

Because they are

[livid carbon]

thought of smth else without train at the end but still, h i l a r i o u s

[gilded dock]

Same guy did a similar video for "The Wall" lyrics that moon said above

[jagged tree]

A simple and quick way to increase LMG's usefulness besides an artificial "suppression" effects is to increase gun damage over range, ala the sniper rifles. Make it so that damage goes up at 100 yards. This has 2 effects: First, it encourages the LMG's to fire at distance, and it encourages them to "spray" for the second reason. Second, it encourages players to NOT get shot by LMG's at distance with ACTIVE real suppression because it'll hurt worse than any other weapon in game.

[gilded dock]

Look at this guy being serious in the Support chat

Not gonna lie tho that might be a good idea

[jagged tree]

I would have made a suggestion post, but I'm not allowed to.

[livid carbon]

"what the fuck is a kilometer 🦅🇺🇸🔥"

but yea more velocity, better damage fall off range and a working bipod would be 🤌

[jagged tree]

I'm not saying it falls off at a farther range. I'm saying that at 100 yards, it actually goes UP in damage. Then falls at 200-300 or so. It would need adjusting and testing to make it work, I'd probably adjust the accuracy, too.

[livid carbon]

accuracy if it did anything 🤣

[velvet wing]

Just make suppression a special effect on support and only support. It prevents spawning and that's it

[livid carbon]

so 4sk guns go down to 3sk etc
that would be interesting for sure but idk how it fits with the general vibe of lmgs tbh
and just spraying in the vague direction of the enemy and getting a few kills is just ehhh

[livid carbon]

already in the game

i got something better, fix the dumb mytosis

[velvet wing]

Wait what

I'm pretty sure if you don't get hit by a bullet people can still spawn on you

[livid carbon]

ah yeah could be that, but you'd most likely be dead in a few seconds anyways
just fix the spawn bs and we wouldn't have a need for such dumb artificial mechanics, even suppression effects make more sense than that

[jagged tree]

I'm not a fan of artificial effects. My suggestion would be a real, tangible effect. It would make LMG users (not just support) set up at distance, and people downrange go out of their way to NOT get hit by the rounds, over every other weapon out there.

[livid carbon]

aka a working bipod
guns can only work if they hit
rn the lmgs effective range caps out at around 150m, 200m if you're lucky

[velvet wing]

I mean it's not artificial, it's a really helpful effect that will let lmgs suppress the spawns of those large group fights just by shooting enough ideally.

I'm not saying since add anything else, what i am saying is I think it'd be a good effect that'd give support a bit more purpose since he's so damn slow

Enemy running away? Start firing while you or your team catch up

[livid carbon]

fix spawning don't put a "bandaid" on it
a bandaid that's more akin to a wet fkn kitchen paper

[velvet wing]

It's more an additional thing. Spawning I'm bf4 actually gets limited by suppression by everyone

It's weird it's NOT like that in this game

So may as well give it to support

[jagged tree]

That'd probably be something useful for support. Firing at / near an enemy prevents respawning. But I was specifically referring to an "on screen" effect of being suppressed, as is the most popular current suggestion for LMG's.

And I mean specifically for LMG's, not support.

[velvet wing]

There's a mild on screen effect already, so i don't think it needs to be adjusted

I personally think everyone should have their suppression effects prevent respawn, but maybe since there's so many people it'd be best if it was only on support

[livid carbon]

it'd be down for that in the milsim mode but not the arcade mode we're playing now
we will wait a long ass time tho

[dry bobcat]

This. If you're just being fired at by an LMG at 150 meters, you don't need to worry, because most likely you're in no danger at all, no matter how much damage the gun does.

[jagged tree]

But if you know that the lmgs do more damage at that range than any other gun, then it would change your behavior.

[velvet wing]

I think lmgs should get more accurate as they're fired

[shell hound]

Watches in frustration as a Medic dances like a crackhead and never takes a hit.

[velvet wing]

It's an interesting way that other games balanced them

[livid carbon]

even then
3 shots or 2 shots to kill at that range will not come easy
you target has to stand still and out in the open for you to be effective at that range...

[livid carbon]

laughs in mg3

[shell hound]

MGs need a higher velocity and overall damage IMO.

[jagged tree]

I agree, but it will still affect strategy and tactics. That's the point.

[livid carbon]

not for anyone who's confident with their play

aka crackdics

[shell hound]

^

[livid carbon]

working bipod + new guns + suppression for the milsim mode

[velvet wing]

Honestly

[livid carbon]

oh yeah and working armor
the state it's in rn is just sad

[velvet wing]

Lmgs will feel a lot better with armor changes and attachments being reworked someday

[shell hound]

That depends on how they're reworked.

[velvet wing]

We're assuming well here lol

[shell hound]

I'm of the wait and see view on it.

But regardless, Supports should be something you DON'T want to encounter one on one.

[jagged tree]

Actual player choices and behavior is better than artificial effects forced on the player.

[shell hound]

When player behavior is shoehorned into ignoring what should be a very dangerous encounter, things need to change.

[livid carbon]

for that the spawn system needs to be gutted
rn you just spawn in on a better spot and that's it, no consequences to death whatsoever

[jagged tree]

Hence my proposal to increase lmgs damage at range.

[shell hound]

Doesn't matter if you can't hit that target.

[dry bobcat]

If getting shot at by guns was enough to change player behavior, then we should already be able to suppress players. But that already doesn't work.

[livid carbon]

aswell as they just spawning in again to your flank, on a covered path to you or you get sniped etc etc

[jagged tree]

I don't think people should be (extra) rewarded for ramboing at close range with an lmgs, hence why my idea is better than an across the board damage increase.