Map Voting - Feedback

[graceful vapor]

At this point I can't be bothered to hold this debate, all i care for is to not have to play direct voting all the time.

[atomic veldt]

Even the worst voting models are better because there’s some correlation between what players want and what they get

The only way random map selection or rotation could be better is if a current system had a negative correlation in that regard

(That is why I said almost objectively worse before - I can’t mathematically prove it but given the evidence of the mathematical approximations me and the other dude engaged with, it is much worse)

[scenic cedar]

So I keep reading about this simulation you ran. What data was used to weigh the decision making? I remember when the voting was directly weighed to what was played and unless it was waki or salhan etc random got chosen alot. IMO we are to fickle to have the power of choice. Half of us want x the other half wants y and if either side doesn't get their way it leads to whining.

[atomic veldt]

The decision making was whatever map each voter liked the most. Or random between the most liked.

Basically, each map has a distribution of how likely any given voter is to rate it at any value in 1-5.
100 voters are created per round, and they randomly determine their preferences for each map based on that map’s distribution.

In the case of approval voting, each voter had a certain threshold between 3 and 5, and they’d vote for all maps that they thought were equal to or greater than that rating

#1133151405125935307 message was this kinda thing

[cunning flume]

The playing through a set of maps randomly (so they don't repeat) would be perfect

Map pre-chosen, then you can vote on the game mode

[scenic cedar]

That or give each game mode it's own rotation and quick join

[cunning flume]

I dont think thats scalable

[twilit geyser]

Yesterday Basra has been voted = Alt+F4 Today Wakistan has been Voted = Alt+F4. Fuck this game.

I really hope Oki will bring back roulette system. This is fucking frustrating !!!!!!!!

[prime hinge]

Thankfully he will #1172239412814430258 message

[twilit geyser]

Yes I've seen that, but he change his mind everydays....

[prime hinge]

It's the first time I see he decided, before he was just saying he liked it more but now we got a vote and confirmation

[twilit geyser]

And do the same for mode, Invasion mode is useless just like the all others modes. there is only Conquest...

[prime hinge]

I think modes will have the same thing

[twilit geyser]

I'm here since the beginning of Early Access and he changed multiple times. This is a hot topic. But the roulette system was the fairest for everyone.

[prime hinge]

Yeah too bad that it's still gonna ignore half the votes if he implements according to vote (2-3 top options instead of giving everyone fair vote chance)

[high drift]

What bothers me is in one DevCast, someone called the video "Reverting our worst decision yet", and it was referring to MapVoting Roulette being the "worst decision"

I asked Larry when he streamed a few weeks ago what that was refering to. Idk who constantly whispers nonsense into the devs ears, for example that spam pinging was a problem (I am playing for 300 hours now and maybe 5 times someone was spampinging once)

[graceful vapor]

Not gonna lie that was one offensive title and most people I know took it as a reference to the weighed voting, and were not happy with that sort of title

[prime hinge]

Yea that one seemed weird to me too, like how was that the worst 😄

[olive cipher]

lmao, what a moron

[graceful vapor]

Slaz do you feel obligated to write in both topics?

I see you typing bro

[limber light]

Absolutely vile change to the game. There is already a vote called RANDOM ingame - if you want a random map and random gamemode out of however many maps and gamemodes the server is running - VOTE RANDOM.
Now this shit is going to be forced upon all of us

[graceful vapor]

Daily posts incoming again?

Maybe we can just get a blog from you on Squarespace or something?

[weak cedar]

Thats not what i want though. Thats not what any advocates of lottery voting wants.

[violet furnace]

At least we know he actually plays the game

[limber light]

Is the crusade most of you are on fueled buy hate for Wakistan or for a genuine desire to improve the game?

I don't like Wakistan either, but the random map voting was horrific

[atomic veldt]

Genuine desire to improve the game.

That is everyone’s motive

[limber light]

I'm playing increasinly less. I should be at 900 hours by now but I'm not even close because I can't find a game.

[violet furnace]

Wakistan is my favorite map and I’m for roulette voting

Also

He put a poll in #dev-wip and people favored roulette voting 800 to 100

[graceful vapor]

We think the game is getting improved

Direct voting sucks

So does Wakistan

So does Conquest, in fact, the meta sucks

That’s the entire point Slaz

People want variety

And the votes show that

[violet furnace]

Like you can’t possibly make the claim that the community wants direct voting when it’s 800 to 100 in favor of roulette voting

[graceful vapor]

I’m just waiting for him to pull out the argument that Discord is a minority voting and doesn’t represent the opinion of players

[limber light]

They should have roulette voted on Oki's poll

But they direct voted instead

[violet furnace]

I already made that joke 😉

[graceful vapor]

So why are you not happy then?

[limber light]

cause that's the best system

most democratic most fair

[graceful vapor]

You got your direct vote, didn’t you Slaz?

Well then, if it was fair why are you here whining?

[limber light]

Yeah. I am in that 100

[graceful vapor]

You literally just contradicted yourself

[limber light]

Because this will kill the game in Oceania and for me.

[violet furnace]

But now at least you know that you’re in the minority

By a lot

If anything direct voting was killing the game

[graceful vapor]

I don’t think the game is dying cause of this my friend

I think Oceania is just a very bad region for an Indie game

A small player base made even smaller by the fact that it’s an Indie game

And player numbers going down and normalising after an initial spike

[limber light]

There was a point when there was only 1 server playeable in Oce and it was that stupid modded BBOCE. Once the map voting was restored the other server immediately came back and was active again. I see the effects of the game right before my very eyes.

[graceful vapor]

I think you need to lay off the copium that it’s the direct voting that got player numbers up and realize that it’s just a characteristic of the region you live in

[limber light]

BBOCE is only infantry cannon fodder gameplay - zero map variety

[graceful vapor]

Show me numbers, legit statistics from these servers

You whispering sweet nothingness into my ears isn’t convincing anyone here

You would have such a better time argumenting here if you had actual, feasible proof for your statements

But you never do, it’s always just whining without any real substance. I’m willing to listen and change my mind as long as the conversation is actually fruitful instead of just constant whining without any facts backing it up

[limber light]

Go ingame to the server browser and set the region to Oceania. Even Asia will do. Of course since it's the free weekend they will all be full but prior to that it had all died out except for BBOCE due to the map voting. It was not possible to kickstart the game because that shit will just 7% vote for a mutually unenjoyable map and kill the server.

[graceful vapor]

Then how about this

Since it’s the free weekend

Let’s stop talking here

And go play instead

❤️

[limber light]

It's all invasion with no repair boxes at base. Terrible gamemode in it;s current state

[violet furnace]

The fact that he can look at a poll where 90% of 1000 people want roulette voting and then claim that roulette voting is killing the game means he’s really never gonna stop

[graceful vapor]

I know you won’t do that, I have serious doubts for your play time now as you seem to just enjoy whining on the server more than anything. But I’ll personally go enjoy the full servers while they are there.

[violet furnace]

Yeah I got fucking Kodiak invasion twice last night and it sucked. No repair boxes and the games last like 45min of stalemate

[graceful vapor]

My man doesn’t care for the game, he cares for a principle, just getting his point across, and nothing else.

Even when the servers are full he chooses to be here instead. That says everything to me.

Direct voting is still in the game man.

[limber light]

It needs tickets otherwise the defending team will play for a whole 40 minutes. That is tourture

[weak cedar]

I dont think oce servers are full rn

[violet furnace]

Yeah I have no idea why it doesn’t have tickets

After 3 games of it I was desperately trying to find any other mode

[placid folio]

I would very much like the old voting back. Im tired of playing the same 5 maps in constant rotation, and I dont get to play my favorite map River anymore. Or if we keep the new voting make it to where once a map is played it won't show up in voting for another 3-5 games. Maybe make Random pick from the entire map pool and not just the 3 you can vote on at the moment

[exotic furnace]

Invasion on isle as an attacker:

[undone verge]

has anyone played wine on invasion? i know i havent lmao bring back the roulette

[brisk basin]

Welcome to Normandy Beach

Just missing the MG Thre.., MG Thirty Sixes

[undone verge]

where wine

[limber light]

My local server enabled all gamemodes some days before the freeweekend. Now it's been nothing but invasion. I am thirsty form some CONQUEST.

[low crypt]

So NOW roulette seems like a good idea? 🤔 😂

[limber light]

My grevience was the maps since gamemodes was never a problem for me until now as it was a conquest only server

[low crypt]

LOL I just joking with you, man...

[undone verge]

i did it boys, i finally get to play wine after 7 hours

[vale rose]

Wine is just wakistan but rotated, but pop off.

[undone verge]

on conquest

[stray granite]

4 of the 5 currently live 127v127 Official Servers in N.A. are on Tensa Invasion. Not a great first thing to see when im trying to end my extended BBR hiatus

[limber light]

Can vote Invasion twice in a row but not conquest = game's fucked. It's just endless Invasion.

[graceful vapor]

I thought you liked repetition?

But I guess its only if the game consists of Wakistan and Conquest, my bad.

[atomic veldt]

I think you can now vote conquest multiple times

It just doesn’t happen

which is why we need lottery system for game modes

[limber light]

Basra, Sandy, Isles, Wakistan, Old Multu - Conquest. Games at it's best

[weak cedar]

No the only exceptions to the rule are frontline, invasion, and rush

[atomic veldt]

Weird

[limber light]

I haven't been able to in my server. You can vote for Invasion every time, but not conquest.

[atomic veldt]

Why did oki give different game modes different logic

[graceful vapor]

I feel like I'm supposed to feel bad, but I can't considering how much you fantasized just playing one map and gamemode over and over again.

[weak cedar]

Frontline and rush are because people complained about not being able to play those multiple times in a row. Invasion was presumably because its the new gamemode, and it is a temporary exception.

[limber light]

Either cruel or imcompetent. Think it's the former.

[atomic veldt]

I think all that shows is that limiting how much game modes can be played is a pointless “fix” to the issue of conquest spam

[graceful vapor]

Using the word cruel in terms of a video game makes me feel like you might be a little too invested.

[limber light]

There's genuinely nothing else to play my dude

[graceful vapor]

Oki will fix it I am sure when he will implement the mario kart based voting in the next update :)

[limber light]

Potentials here but not capitalized on.

[graceful vapor]

I was more referring to the fact that touching some grass is an option too if you feel like the game is being cruel to you, I don't think it is mentally healthy to feel like a game is being cruel to you.

Anyway, Oki has been pushing out a lot of updates as of recent so I'm sure he'll get to the voting part of things too soon.

[prime hinge]

I like invasion with no ticket limit, and I like to farm 200+ kills on a map without having to switch a server because round ended and now it's shit mode time, but I still think roulette for gamemode is healthy too

[violet furnace]

Somehow you forgot Tensa and Kodiak since those have been most of my games this weekend

I wish I got to play Isle I’ve seen it lose in the vote 4 times this weekend

[twilit geyser]

So, still no change with the new update 2.2.3. BRUH

[twilit geyser]

unfortunately no change regarding this in the new update....

[vale rose]

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[olive cipher]

i want to know why it was removed in the first place

what the fuck was he thinking

[vale rose]

He was 'experimenting'

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[high drift]

No a few bad actors that are in the inner circle of battlebit told them it was a bad idea, presumably.

You always here it: "Some liked it, some hated it" one of these "somes" are just a few people

Like when he kept Film Grain because "some" liked it. Idk where oki always gets these "Some", but as someone who is actively involved in all battlebit social media I have no clue or proof of who the other "some" are.

It was pretty clear in my opinion that chat roulette had a majority behind it based on what i could gather

So i came to conclusion that there is an unknown feedback group consisting of fewer people but apparently have more weight in the sentiment of decisions or something

Yet, somehow according to the devcast#17 title, mario voting was "our worst decision so far"

[violet furnace]

Yeah it's wild they felt that way after the majority of both this server and the Reddit were in support of roulette voting

As you said there said there must be some small small group they listen to with a few loud voices against it

Because it's really miserable playing the same maps so much

And gamemode like can the devs not tell it's broken that every official server is Invasion 24/7?

I didn't see any fix for that in the patch notes

And it would be SO EASY to fix

Either don't let us vote Invasion twice in a row or do let us vote conquest twice in a row

[waxen wagon]

yes

[main pecan]

Maybe we should hold permanent polls on Steam; see where opinions go over time. It will have the added bonus of being visible to all players that play BattleBit regardless of whether they use Discord or Reddit.

[atomic veldt]

Or just, in game

So not only can everyone see them but a decent amount of people actually will, and you can do proper polls

[graceful vapor]

Well voting change seems to be confirmed by Oki, it’s just abandoned or ignored for some reason for now #1172239412814430258 message

Technical issues was the reason but that was quite a bit ago so I’m not even sure if it’s getting implemented at all

[main pecan]

That would take a bit more work, but it would definitely help. We could have a dedicated tab where players can vote on their preferences for a list of changes.

Jagex's Old School Runescape poll system is a good working example.

[tawny swallow]

i think map voting should have an option like csgo where you choose the map pool and there are like 3 map pools of maps and 1 thats just all maps at once

[north trellis]

like sizes of map or types of maps? would be nice, but i dont want to have to switch servers to go from salhan to waki.

[tawny swallow]

idk but it could also be like you vote for a map pool every few games

like the server

[atomic veldt]

I think that is one of the worst suggestions placed here so far

[stray granite]

...is this in response to the message sent in February??

[atomic veldt]

yes

I don't view time as very relevant to online conversation