Assault - Feedback

[stoic jackal]

You seem like someone who might maybe know

[tiny flame]

Fill me in what do I need to know?

[stoic jackal]

Why is the scorpio not on assault?

That's literally it lol

[tiny flame]

Oh I wouldn't know that

[feral linden]

oki just said it was intended

even though it's the only case in the entire videogame where a class has access to a weapon type, but not all weapons of that type

[stoic jackal]

Our savior has failed us. Which mod do I ping next

I need the official autistic thought out reasoning for it

[tiny flame]

I believe it's to make classes feel different but I can see where you guys are coming from to add it to Assualt

[rocky bloom]

Let assault sprint while gun is still held forward

And aim down sights at full walk speed

[stoic jackal]

ads walk a full speed good

sprint while gun is still held forward - do you mean like sprint and hipfire?

[rocky bloom]

Yes

[stoic jackal]

gotcha

[rocky bloom]

The weird snap-to aim thing is not my first instinct directly after sprinting, and tends to lead to me getting killed a lot. It is, in my opinion, a bad mechanic, but assault being able to hipfire while sprinting would alleviate that. It would also give assault something more unique.

[stoic jackal]

I gotcha, it might actually be a really nice buff for assuault to also have that

both of them

[crystal fractal]

The more I think about it the more I think letting assault have SMGs in secondary weapon slot is a great idea

Would give the class a unique gameplay experience while leaning in to its identity as weapon master class

And sounds really fun

[stoic jackal]

Might be neat

[frail zinc]

Disagree. imo it is about as good as medic currently

Support needs buffs more I think

[narrow bison]

assault and medic equally strong
as for support tho

[celest solar]

personally I would say support or recon to a degree

[undone gust]

assault isnt good at assaulting, recon can't do reconnaissance, and support is just drowning

[celest solar]

Assault is just fully overshadowed by medic

mutual exclusivity so to speak

but the Niches for assault & medic needs to be differed further away

[frail zinc]

well you can't play two classes at once so they're all mutually exclusive

[frail zinc]

so what does this actually mean

[celest solar]

what you said at first pretty much

[crystal fractal]

Interesting. Every time I try assault for a few games I think “what’s even the point of this class” and switch back to anything else

Like, what is it that makes assault as good as engineer or medic? I don’t get it

[frail zinc]

To compare assault and medic:

Assault:

• free slot for ammo kit, sledge etc
• 25% faster reloads
• 25% faster weapon switching
• 20% faster aimdown times
• DMRs
  - SMGs

Medic:

• double bandage speed
  - can’t bandage while not bleeding
  - 1 less C4 than others
  - can’t take light backpack
• medkit
• more bandages
• supporting team mates 🥰

Obviously the numbers of + isn’t important, but I personally feel the factors weigh out pretty well?

Engineer and assault compare more directly I’d say

[narrow bison]

medic gets used for assault purposes tho due to healing and better assault weapons...
like there is no argument which will convince me medic isn't objectively better at being an assault/playing aggressively.

[frail zinc]

Unless I missed something any response I could make to that would just be formulated from my previous message so I guess there isn’t really any point

[celest solar]

Forgot, can heal while reloading via the medkit

also forgot -scoripion on the assault

[narrow bison]

kinda just shows how dumb the assault/medic balance aye?

[narrow bison]

oh no a gun with 2.55s reload time that takes skill to even use :0
"can't have that on assault cannon fodder, medic's to important for that"

[crystal fractal]

Like looking at the sum total of these my conclusion is that medic is much better

The medkit is better than anything in assault’s secondary slot by far

And the double bandage+revive speed + healing teammates is better than the gun buffs by far

Which is why I think it would be fair to make assault a bit more powerful by letting them take SMGs as secondaries

(Obviously not the only way to buff them but sounds like a lot of fun to me)

[narrow bison]

buffed bandage speed, slight nerf to medkit via burst healing and the scorpion on assault ffs 2.55s reload time vs 1.75s of continued shooting with recoil that throws your aim into gods anus
like nerf medics healing capabilities slightly and buff assaults, that's it
and well the scorpion but obviously we got okis medic bias

[crystal fractal]

I’m honestly surprised more people don’t like the SMG a secondary idea. I agree that with those changes assault would be more viable but even so it just ends up feeling pretty generic

Where every other class has something unique and powerful to make it fun

I guess I’m biased because all of the large scale shooters I’ve played recently so let you have two primaries

And it feels good

But it’s never been in the Battlefield genre

[narrow bison]

while it would be unique, i don't like it
it feels like cod or smth at that point
and tbh it's just unlogical, dumb and a gimmicky band aid fix

nerf medics offensive healing abilities and buff assaults, it can be so easy but well okis medic bias

[crystal fractal]

I don’t think it’s gimmicky

Assault is literally the gun class

[narrow bison]

it is a gimmick
"oh frick i'm empty"
pulls out ump aka funny carbine

[crystal fractal]

I mean yeah, that sounds unique and powerful

Actually let assault do something different than the other classes instead of being generic with some small buffs

[narrow bison]

like i get why and all but i just don't feel it has a place in the game nor does it fix the underlying issue of medic being funking bussin' meanwhile assault is left to shove a rsh up its ass and then commit special via heli rope

[crystal fractal]

Also from the people I’ve talked to who are in the military, brother and a few friends, they don’t actually carry a pistol with them at all times, that was made up by CoD

Could be wrong about that tho, that was just their experience in the army

[celest solar]

To my knowledge of the US Army

only officers, Medics & Machine gunners carry sidearms

[narrow bison]

yeah but a pistol makes a lot more sense compared to another 4kg gun and its 4 mags...

[celest solar]

4 or more mags of how many rounds each

[undone gust]

give assault's guns +2 damage so suddenly they all break into lower shots to kill brackets

dont actually do that

[celest solar]

hmmmm

[undone gust]

i would like some ammo choices in the mag slot, maybe there could be fancy ones only assault gets

[celest solar]

would it be before or after long barrel?

[narrow bison]

my dad never told me if he had a pistol or not, just funny g3 night shooting and being in a tank with the commander possesing an uzi of all things

[crystal fractal]

Sure but engineer can carry a whole ass RPG just fine

And 6 rockets

[narrow bison]

i mean sure but that thing still handles like its own thing and not a second primary that hangs on your back or smth...

[crystal fractal]

I just don’t think that form of realism necessarily needs to dictate gameplay, if it’s fun and balanced then I think it’s worth considering

[undone gust]

i think +2 is enough to make some guns roll over before LB, and def enough after. Excepting like, the DMRs and FAMAS?

[narrow bison]

as val

[undone gust]

yessss

[narrow bison]

tactical tuna

[frail zinc]

It would require balancing the guns around two very different sets of stats simultaneously since damage breakpoints are so important

[rocky bloom]

I'd also like to note that assaults aimdown and weapon swap buffs are largely unnoticable except on the slowest guns

Reload buff is his most noteworthy buff

Aimdown is made largely irrelevant by the aiming from sprint thing

And 99% of the time, if you need to swap weapons mid fight, you are a goner anyways

[crystal fractal]

Unless your opponent also fully emptied his mag lol

[crystal fractal]

Agree

[crystal fractal]

Yep, and that buff does not do anything to make assault worth using compared to other classes

[frail zinc]

Whether or not it can be actively discerned doesn’t determine its usefulness

[frail zinc]

the main use case is for when you’re fighting a lot of people at once and need to kill them before they understand that you’re killing them

[stoic jackal]

I like the ads buff

and the weapon swap buff. Helps out a lot because I'm overly aggressive lol

I really want that move speed when ADSed buff someone talked about

[rotund cobalt]

give everyone health regen by default

bandage healing just means medic is the only real choice for extended combat

[frail zinc]

not really

that's only if the limited healing of other classes changes much

medic could have 15 or 100,000 bandages and it would probably never make a difference for the vast majority of players even if they didn't have medkit

[sand widget]

What would happen if assault was the only one with access to Assault rifles?

[crystal fractal]

Personally I’m more for buffing assault instead of nerfing other classes but that would bring medic and assault closer to balanced, tho might make the game less fun

[sand widget]

Thibj they'd be fine. Smgs are good still. It'd let assault be more of a range generalist and medic be more of a close range specialist. Would be great for diversifying classes further I feel

It's how battlefield 3&4 did it. They still had a bunch of other weapon classes for all, but having one exclusive gun class was fun to drive traffic into the class itself

[crystal fractal]

Oh medic would still be fine I’m worried about engineer more

[sand widget]

he'll be fine throwing a heat rpg at us

[stoic jackal]

I've been saying to take ARs away from medic

And give assault access to smgs

Force medics to not be great at range and have to use carbines and smgs

[sand widget]

sounds good to me too

[crystal fractal]

As secondaries

[stoic jackal]

lol sure, why not

[undone gust]

only if they get increased draw speed so i can whip out the UMP at pistol speed

[crystal fractal]

It’s never gonna happen I know but I think it would be very fun

Without being overpowered at least compared to where medic and engineer are at right now

[narrow bison]

engies shotgunning and pretending it isn't a skill compensation

[crystal fractal]

Hey a casual game needs some low skill guns

[celest solar]

(looks at TF2 pyro)

[crystal fractal]

So I’ve spent the last few nights playing engineer with heat RPG, have about 300 heat kills. I now understand why people say engineer is in a good spot balance wise.

Which leads me to even more confidently say

Assault should be able to take SMGs as it’s secondary

If engineer gets two primary weapons assault should too

[junior lake]

https://tenor.com/view/cuh-guh-buh-gif-26372267

[frail zinc]

In a meta sense the RPG is not as strong as having a whole other weapon. It is very limited in its ability to kill multiple opponents quickly

[celest solar]

will state this engineer gets access to 29/39 of the entire primary weapons

(for reference medic is 2nd, assault 3rd, SL 4th, recon is 5th & 6th place goes to support)

[crystal fractal]

I got two quad kills with back to back rockets last night

As well as being able to destroy walls at range

Squad pushing you? First kill (or maybe a double) with a rocket and then pull out your primary and you’ve still got a full mag to fight

And if you can guess right where they’re coming from you don’t take any damage from the first person because the RPG kills instantly

With good defensive positioning it works as well as a primary

Compared to medic and engineer, assault feels bad

Let assault take SMGs as a secondary, assault will be as good as medic and engineer

And it would be super fun

[dire spire]

honestly that's a valid point
engineer having access to ranged demolion and antiarmor with fairlyngood AoE os cheesy as all get out lol

[crystal fractal]

Not any more OP than the medkit tho

[crystal fractal]

If you haven’t tried it extensively it’s super easy to kill infantry with too, as long as you focus on your positioning

[dire spire]

oh i know
i mainly use it for clearing a killzone of obstacles though
there is something indescribable about setting up a fort with barbed wire obstacles over an entire game lol
we did not lose that point the entire game after I finished up I think

[crystal fractal]

Spent an entire frontline game last night on top of a building lobbing RPGs, had a support building us a sweet fort and medics defending against invaders

[dire spire]

btw
favorite fort design practice?

[dire spire]

Ah, self sustain.
What a curse.

[crystal fractal]

Having like overlapping walls so that you can peak over the edge of the building, but if you’re in the center of the fort you’re safe

[dire spire]

assault concept
[++] the best class for head on confrontation with an increased number of breaching items
[+] versatile class kit
[+] survivable, with armor repairs and access to exo class vest, heavy class helmet, fairly large bandage pool
[+] some general buffs, improved versions of current ones
[-] worse lethality beyond about 100 meters, 200+ meters combat is very not advised with assault rifles. battle rifles can reach out to DMR ranges but lack the same damage/headshot mult as a DMR. using a DMR in turn reduces CQC power, but makes ranged combat more effective
[-] fewer sustain options like health kit or ammo kit, fewer "trick" options like mines or drones

assault should always be at an advantage in direct infantry combat. yes, assault is worse at sniping, antitank battle, etc, but when it comes to storming a position or skirmishing an enemy, assault should be the immediate pick
but to not obsolete the others assault loses some sustain and utilities

you're still dependent on medic to give you bandages and healing, on support for ammo and suppressing fire as well as a place to rest up and heal
still dependent on engineer to kill tanks and APCs as well as build special defenses
still dependent on recon to shoot snipers, mark enemies, and sap structures

[crystal fractal]

But like this doesn’t match assault’s current kit at all

[dire spire]

its a pie in the sky wish I guess
you dislike, or...?

[crystal fractal]

Right now, if you’re going to play with a DMR, assault is your best option

[crystal fractal]

I guess I don’t actually disagree with much you said, except that assault shouldn’t be competent past 100m, which would mean removing DMRs and I don’t think that’s necessary

[dire spire]

ok thats fair
i forgot Assault uh
had those lmao

[crystal fractal]

I agree with the class versatility and superiority in head on combat

[dire spire]

lemme just touch on that quick

[crystal fractal]

I think an easy way to do that is letting it take SMGs as a secondary. Now you have a deadly weapon for whatever range fight you need to take.

Don’t think it would push assault to be strictly better than medic or engineer because they both have so much other utility

And as it stands assault is undeniably less powerful than them

[dire spire]

not entirely comfortable with that honestly
especially because that generates an incredible amount of CQB firepower
and especially on some maps that really screws with assault rifles and battle rifles

if it came down to it id prefer dmrs to be a niche way of playing assault or outright removed

as well, im... considering SMGs being more heavily emphasized as a balancing tool tbh

[crystal fractal]

Too much CQB firepower you mean if you took a close range AR like a Famas + an SMG you’d be too powerful?

The original mistake I made was reading the name “assault” and trying to think of the class around that

But honestly that doesn’t match it’s implementation at all, and I don’t think that’s too bad

It should be called “gun master” or something because that’s basically what it is

In the game’s current state assault is way worse at assaulting a position than medic or engineer

[dire spire]

DMR+SMG
even if you dont get base ammoboost with reserve SMGs, and just get pistol ammo boost from equipment, thats still 30+60 rounds of a secondary primary
so now you're good in the AR range band AND can shoot at snipers up to like what, 700 meters or something? which is usually the farthest enemies are
and like if thats just added in its current state, assault can use ranger armor which adds another secondary mag + small ammo kit for absurd sustain

[crystal fractal]

Yeah and with all of this it still wouldn’t be better than medic

[dire spire]

yeah
its kinda unavoidable rhat you literally just have to nerf medic's ability to engage in combat

though I'd argue with the concept presented above I'd be able to make a fairly good case for it

[undone gust]

you could always take the support route

and lock medic in slow armor

that wouldnt drive people insane or anything im sure

[tender rampart]

no

[crystal fractal]

Why not just make assault more powerful to match medic?

[celest solar]

suppose a question of power creep comes to mind

because medic is right now a bit of a outlier to the other (non support & SL) classes

[undone gust]

a significant outlier

[celest solar]

and to raise assault to his power would raise the question of how strong of things we would need to give assault for him to match or surpass medic's strength in what he is suppose to do

[undone gust]

you would have to give assault some pretty crazy shit to match infinite healing, super speed, access to just about every gun, shitloads of c4

and thats just not going to be sustainable when you get to asking "how do we make support and recon match this"

[celest solar]

also moon to my knowledge medic has around 26/39 primary options

[undone gust]

i get that people dont like nerfs but sometimes "buff everything else" is the path to madness

[celest solar]

engineer has 29/39

[crystal fractal]

Okay so you agree that letting assault take SMGs as secondary wouldn’t make it as good as assault

[undone gust]

yes, it has two of the 4 things i mentioned

which is fine for a niche

[crystal fractal]

So do that and slightly nerf medic, that’s what I’ve been saying

[narrow bison]

infinite mags

[crystal fractal]

Honestly engineer with heat RPG comes close to medic

If you have a good squad to play with

[undone gust]

as much as they want to avoid it, a noob tube would be a great addition to help assault... assault

[celest solar]

in equal measure, the heat is kinda crazy lol (low self damage radius it feels like as well)

[undone gust]

i cant see just having an SMG for a pistol doing as much

[crystal fractal]

Interesting, everyone else reacts the opposite and says how overpowered it would be

[celest solar]

Personally I only see the reload & swap speeds coming to play in assault getting SMGs

[undone gust]

I guess if you paired it with a DMR it'd be really flexible?

but we've already got the glock

or the RSH if you're a cool cowboy

[crystal fractal]

Yeah either you pair with a DMR and you’re really flexible or pair with shorter range gun and you can swap mid fight to not have to reload

Would make assault unique and very fun, and would be a decent buff without making the class quite as overpowered as medic

[undone gust]

i guess i just dont see this as a big deal because assault already reloads faster than the weapon swap

if you yeet the mag

and can carry an absurd number of mags

ranger armor rules

[narrow bison]

and refill them mags aswell

i wish we had smgs on assault
and the scorpion

[undone gust]

P90 assault with more covering fire than any support

what is that, 600 rounds?

[crystal fractal]

I agree it wouldn’t be that powerful, gives you more flexibility and a bit more power, which assault needs

And it would make the class unique, which it currently isn’t

[undone gust]

in a game where you die before knowing you're being shot at a significant portion of the time, advantages in extended firefights are niche

[crystal fractal]

Yeah you’d have to pick that niche or the DMR+SMG niche where you don’t actually get close enough to use the SMG most of the time

[dire spire]

Powercreep is my biggest worry. Eventually you get to a point where Why Bother With Squads? Everyone's self sufficient lmao, who needs teamwork?

I want to try and at least vaguely make the classes codependent.

[crystal fractal]

They’re two different problems though, you can make assault more powerful but still dependent on other classes supporting it

[dire spire]

Frankly it (sometimes) tastes of people liking their same gameplay loop but knowing it's busted, so they're looking for a way to level the field... but also keep that loop.

[crystal fractal]

As long as the ways you buff it are in line with that philosophy

[crystal fractal]

Removing the most fun gameplay loops is bad

[dire spire]

I think that's a sign that Engineer needs a nerf, not everyone else should be given more, honestly.

While RPG soam isn't as prevalent as it qas in the playtests, I'd honestly advocate for making HEAT much more antivehicle only and move demolition, antipersonnel, elsewhere.

[crystal fractal]

Nerfing everything fun is bad for the game

[undone gust]

its simple:
split the anti infantry and the anti tank weapon

RPG Frag is so pathetic it may as well not exist

[dire spire]

I honestly dislike RPG spam for blasting people from voth ends
I don't like getting sniped out of a building by a rocket and I don't like sniping people with them.
It feels unfair for me from BOTH sides.

[undone gust]

make it actually kill people and then tone down HEAT so its better vs fortifications and tanks than say, infantry spam frugis tunnels

that forces an actual choice for the slot instead of "1/100 lives i pick tandem bc theres a tank right by a spawn point"

[crystal fractal]

Bad take tbh

[dire spire]

Just make it realistic lel
I know how people feel about muh realism but like

The irl FRAG warhead for the RPG7 is just a grenade basically. it's not even got a rocket motor.
so like, make its drop awful and make it able to wound a reasonable radius, with low kill radius
avoid uh
playtest Frag spam

[crystal fractal]

RPG requires good positioning to be effective and has decent counterplay

Splitting them makes sense tho

[undone gust]

make them die to trophy systems, but with a reduced radius (since they're moving faster)

[crystal fractal]

This

Only nerf it needs

Well and maybe less vehicle damage

[undone gust]

im still talking about a theoretical "FRAG RPG worth taking"

[crystal fractal]

Or make frag RPG actually kill infantry and split them into different roles

[undone gust]

it cant exist with HEAT just doing everything obv

[dire spire]

Counterplay. Right, be behind something oh wait.

In sime modes there aren't even points so you cannot build
and you might not have the points handy to instantly construct a bunker
or the time

Being able to Instantly Solve A Firefight from up to like 500 meters is stupid.

[crystal fractal]

The modes without squad points are broken for that reason tbh, bad to balance around that

They need to fix that

[dire spire]

True, honestly.
Squad point gain needs to be more reliable too... At least give defending/attacking the objective kills a tiny amt of points like +5 or something

[undone gust]

squad points are an entirely broken mechanic

[crystal fractal]

Well it’s CTF and rush that really need the fix

[undone gust]

you either have 10x more than you will ever use

[crystal fractal]

Yeah agreed tbh

[undone gust]

or literally none bc its CTF

[crystal fractal]

It would be better if they just removed them entirely and let you build for free

[undone gust]

90% of players only interact with them to drop ammo from heaven and keep sniping with their m200

[dire spire]

more or less yeah
HEAT should have a more intense damage dropoff from point of impact, and maybe less demolition capability
FRAG should be exclusively for killing enemies uncovered
and we should get HE-impact or something for busting structures/light vehicles

[undone gust]

i say keep them but theyre only needed for call-ins like the crate or something like a theoretical airstrike

and balance the costs appropriately ofc

200 for a box is massively undercosted

[dire spire]

I have this concept that squad leader can call down airstrikes and artillery, as well as being the only class that can build beacons, call ammo, small vehicles, etc

but I kind of want to have something that gives counterplay to that like requesting air cover or anti air missiles to shoot down airstrikes and tactical missiles

otherwise I'm worried about strike options getting too powerful and making defense situational

[undone gust]

yeah as someone who plays a lot of support i dont want every fortification to be strikebait obv

needs significant costs or counterplay but being able to get the snipers across the river in Waki to know fear would be nice

just cant be so cheap you see 10 drop every time a point gets contested

[dire spire]

I think a good option would be like
A forward radar system or something as a gameplay handwave that spots incoming strikes in a limited area
so it serves as mini objective to attack but also a mini objective to rally around and push out from

and the thing spots for missiles to shoot down strikes or something
we uh, ignore saturation of IADS because gameplay conceit

Heck, being able to call in a Centurion AAA would be hilarious

[undone gust]

how many points for working bipods...

[dire spire]

That's the rub, isn't it
Because you don't fix yourself to the ground like battlefield, it's relying in really scuffed detection logic, and the entire thing is pivoting in the wrong place
so...

[formal kraken]

agreed

[sand widget]

Is assault really an assault class or is he "all rounder"? Cause I felt the medic can push quicker than assault, but assault can be a pseudo recon and pseudo support

[narrow bison]

assault is the worse assault...

[sand widget]

He's the only one who can stay on a building on his own with a small ammo kit to resupply himself with a dmr, snipin

His unique aspect doesnt really help him assault at all lol

Felt he plays best being a little further from the fight and defensively if anything

[narrow bison]

well as val or fal on assault are a death sentence ||for the enemies||

remember, enemies can't kill you if they're all dead

[sand widget]

Can't medic use both?

[narrow bison]

yes but using anything but smgs on medic is cringe.

[celest solar]

unsure on pseudo support

ah in the ammo way

[sand widget]

I drop ammo kits all the time

And get resupply bonus

Sometimes I bring the pickaxe instead and make a killhole to snipe on with my dmr

[celest solar]

medic has access to around 24 weapons of the 39

assault 22 if I recall

engineer 29

recon 11

support 4

[sand widget]

Assault lol

Sorry I mean

Support with 4

[celest solar]

L86,MG36,M249 & ultimax

[sand widget]

So sad x2

[celest solar]

leader has 18 as well

[narrow bison]

*had

[sand widget]

Bye leader

I saw about it on youtube videos and it seemed useless

As in choose any other class

[celest solar]

they simply be disabled

Not KIA, just MIA

[celest solar]

about the same could be said for assault & support to a degree

[crystal fractal]

Feels like all rounder/gun expert to me

[celest solar]

But Leader was shipped without his kit being finished

[sand widget]

Ah that explains it. Good move on disabling it in the meantime

[celest solar]

(his advantages at the time were being a lighter assault with more grenades & bandages and access to ARs & DMRs over assault just being ARs)

[undone gust]

leader more finished than support

[sand widget]

He's more of a mid-long range guy to me, with about the same firepower as a medic and slower healing.

Assault doesn't really have anything extra to him, like an underbarrel launchers to punch through walls and take out enemies in cover quickly

Might just need a name change cause that boy def aint the best at assaulting

[crystal fractal]

My suggestion is letting him take SMGs as secondaries, to lean into the gun master Jack of all trades role

[pearl sage]

Have we considered nerfing medic self heal and bandage? It would in theory level out some of medic supremacy on the front lines.

[narrow bison]

many times...

[raw nebula]

Careful, nitro-boosters might start posting

[junior lake]

“How about we buff the other classes before we nerf medic”

— those same mfs

[tender rampart]

I don't think medics self heal is too strong

Medic just has way too many weapons

The gun categories that each class is given needs to be redone

[crystal fractal]

Agree, would rather see other classes get mechanical buffs

[pearl sage]

Personally I think either armor restocking or just a armor rework is necessary to make assault (and therefore support) stronger classes. I know it has been repeated multiple times before but it would definitely incentivize medics to not just wear light armor and zoom

[raw nebula]

The primary issue is power creep, lowering one classes advantages (especially if they stick out) has far, far less balance implications than buffing all other classes. It's also not quite as simple as just better/worse, any changes need to be taken mostly from the viewpoint of the role that class fulfills whilst also keeping any overreach in check, to not minimise or invalidate any other class

[dire spire]

it also chabges the dynamic of the game
currently it feels like the game has a focus on resource management
like, conserve health/throwables and be cautious until a moment of violence where you just spend it all

but if you give everyone more sustain suddenly the gsme gets faster
there are less consequences to dying, or having the supporting roles taken out or the like
which can be good
but...
do we want battlefield 4 - thr sequel

[tender rampart]

assault needs to be reworked so people choose it over medic for assaulting

medic should not be the dominate class

ideally medic would get less weapons

give the smgs to assault

and change bandage healing

[sand widget]

bf4 was good.... (after DICE LA fixed it 2 years later)

[dire spire]

i mean yeah but its a different pace and dynamic compared to BBR

[sand widget]

True. I mostly don't mind the BBR one. It does suck that medic is the real assault and assault is more like a bargain bin of other classes

[unreal monolith]

This game is really starting to become BF4 with how much I see medics now.

Which is what I was hoping wouldn't be the case.

Meanwhile assault is honestly in the same spot leader is of "why do you exist?"

[narrow bison]

to be cool 🥲

[rocky bloom]

I still say assault should get the fast self-bandage

[crystal fractal]

Fast self bandage and let assault take SMGs as secondary and it’s fixed

[rocky bloom]

Another suggestion way back in the thread was to let Assault have different versions of the grenade launcher, so he had a unique gadget.

[crystal fractal]

Yeah I like that

[sand widget]

Think that'd be cool cause it'd let him have express entry into buildings

and, you know, assault buildings

[unreal monolith]

Breach GL would be sick

I already use C4s like that but a quicker way to open up a wall on the move without really having to wait for the C4 to stick would be cool

[dire spire]

It might be worth looking into an M320 with toggle ammo for assault exclusively set up to demolish and soften instead of kill
very small kill radius and abrupt falloff so it does like 15-40 damage in the blast area for HE

SMK is just... smoke lol

so you hold reload and it opens up an america's army 2 style menu

[junior lake]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-p-sullivan-fnaf-movie-fnaf-movie-doug-live-doug-reaction-five-nights-at-freddys-gif-7528920756499121978

[dire spire]

So, you don't like it?

[junior lake]

I didn’t read it

[dire spire]

topkek

https://youtu.be/z4AoyycLlJI

basically just steal these mechanics

[dire spire]

so.

ok fine ffs

assault wishlist
assault gains access to heavy helmet, exo armor variant, and special assault armor variants for every class of armor. Also, armor repair kit.

Also gains access to a specialized shield which allows for breaching of structures while sprinting into them at full speed.

[celest solar]

so what would the assault variant do?

[dire spire]

Assault type armor has the penalties of armor 1 step lower. However, it also has inverted ammo loading. Assault No Armor has highest mag count, Assault Exo Armor has lowest mag count.
basically you trade a little more speed for a little less sustainment

[celest solar]

so it is like exo in that sense

(exo has 4 mags where heavy has 6)

also we have ranger currently

which is 6 for light armor bonuses

But to ask, how would assault light compare to ranger?

otherwise what would exo be at due to the inverse of the order it already does?

[dire spire]

uh
potentially just like no added ammo
or like 1 extra mag lel

[celest solar]

also to make sure I am understanding the balance

heavy as normal debuffs, light ammo capacity

[dire spire]

its like 2:00am over here and im not 100% coherent im sorry

[celest solar]

normal has ??
light has ADS speed boost and 6 mags?

or no mags?

[dire spire]

yeah i guess? id need to bash all of this out more throughly before committing to that

[celest solar]

(below light is none on engineer which is like a 25% ADS speed boost)

[dire spire]

potentially the entire class of armor loses a primary/secondary magazine, after inverting. mstch balance better, maybe?
I know ADS speed is a joke becaus you're instsntly centered after aiming, so even a laser sight in cqc makes up for it.

[celest solar]

well kinda

depends on gun

and such

[dire spire]

so what...
Guns have like 1 load mag and then 3 base or something, right?

[celest solar]

Unsure to be honest, never counted

I think base is like 1 loaded with 1 backup

[dire spire]

I know that assault M4 with heavy armor has like 7 reserve and 1 load

[celest solar]

So heavy armor is +6

[dire spire]

fuck i could just check the wiki i think

[celest solar]

That is a total of 2 magazines base

[dire spire]

yesh so: ranger has 6 primary and you count down from there
so you get 5 heavy, 4 medium, etc.

[celest solar]

otherwise I kinda hope support & assault both get a version of the armor repair kit

Side note

I assume no assault ranger variant

[dire spire]

alright then
so let's take assault medium armor vest
inverted, with -1 applied, it has:
3 extra primary clips, no extra throwable, and 100/100 speed/ads stat.

[dire spire]

no lol

[celest solar]

so how would it not be a direct upgrade to assault light?

so 5 magazines, along with no armor buffs

[dire spire]

Assault light armor vest
105/105, 5 mags, +1 throwable, 12 armor points.
...did they nerf light armor/no armor? I swear that it had universally like 102.5% speed/ads buff before.

[celest solar]

since launch or?

[dire spire]

I guess, yeah

[celest solar]

also correction

20% speed ADS speed buff on the normal vest

[dire spire]

wait what? Then I guess the wiki's erong...?

[celest solar]

which wiki?

because I haven't touched the armor on the fandom one

(nor the wiki gg)

[dire spire]

oh come on
it won't let me send the link

fandom yesh

[unreal monolith]

Bandage buff slotted

Time to show them what aggression looks like

[narrow bison]

assault mains rise!!!

[feral linden]

lmaoing @ assault not getting battle rifles

what a fucking joke of a game

[narrow bison]

it's more cqb oriented now, which i adore

[rocky bloom]

Assault got the smgs, which makes way more sense than having dmrs or brs

[frail zinc]

We lost the FAL

https://tenor.com/view/crying-sad-emoji-gif-22168442

[rocky bloom]

It's okay, Assault got all the SMG's as a trade

[narrow bison]

scoop my beloved

[frail zinc]

We got it back

https://tenor.com/view/cat-dance-cat-dance-gif-19944303

And all it took… was crying about it…

[sand widget]

happy happy happy

[undone gust]

as an assault DMR guy Im loving the AR/Carbine changes too

all those tasty short ADS times going to feel so good

[pearl sage]

So I am processing the new weapon update and this is what I have gleaned... so assault now gets the pp2000?

[rocky bloom]

Most of the Smg's actually

[narrow bison]

all of them

can't wait to be insulted as a filthy assault main

(i played it since ea launch)

[pearl sage]

thats pretty epic actually

interesting that assault lost the battle rifle catagory though and support gained it. the change makes sense though

[feral linden]

assault got the BRs back, thankfully

[undone gust]

if anyone should have nearly every gun its assault

[stone folio]

It's the "I just want to fight people period" class

[tender rampart]

remove dmrs from assault

assault is close range

dmrs are long range

assault has enough weapons already

[celest solar]

to my knowledge assault doesn't get dmrs

[tender rampart]

it will

look at chart

[celest solar]

did

there a new one?

[tender rampart]

yes

assault collumn

[celest solar]

Well time to update that list, again

could've swore I only saw BRs get added

[tender rampart]

do you agree that dmrs shouldnt be on assault tho

@celest solar

[celest solar]

Personally mixed at this rate

[tender rampart]

how so

[celest solar]

Moment, updating some stuff I make, I'll PM you once finished

[tender rampart]

aight

[celest solar]

And sent

otherwise I am a case of I like the idea of every class having a range idea built in a bit(aka assault up CQC to medium, support close to medium, a bit of long, recon medium to extreme range)

[dire spire]

not entirely sure why assault needs to become close range

[frail zinc]

It has always had CQC and mid range abilities

Don’t think it’s likely to “become” anything in terms of the ranges it can engage at

[dire spire]

there's some talk up there about stripping BR/DMR out of assault

[tender rampart]

because thats what assaults do

in like every other game

you didnt think it was weird that we always had medic close range???

[dire spire]

assault's usually all around or Gun, the Class

[rocky bloom]

Buff swap speed

[celest solar]

So any thoughts on the upcoming assault changes?