pokemon-winds-waves

[jade ocean]

Fire/Ground resists both Fire and Fairy while Ground/Dark resists Ghost and Dark

As their more relevant resists

[forest egret]

Do you guys think Fire should deal x2 to fairy or not

What side are you on

[jade ocean]

Additionally, Ground/Dark resists Stealth Rock while Fire/Ground resists U-Turn

[jade ocean]

I don't think Fire needs the buff

It's already a mid-high A tier type

I'd rather make a weaker type better vs Fairy

To try to balance stuff out more

[forest egret]

I agree. Fairy could use another weakness but fire doesn't need to be that one

[jade ocean]

I'd be basic and select Bug

But instead of making it SE, I'd play into Bug's strengths

And make it resist Fairy

Bug has always been a defensively leaning type

One that is unsalvageable offensively without a full rework

You can remove the Fairy resisting Bug though

[forest egret]

Idk how you justify it from a logic perspective with some of the typings. Ik many of the actual type interractions are a little tenuous but ig it's something to consider

[jade ocean]

Or make Bug SE vs it

Just that the main thing is Bug resist Fairy

[jade ocean]

Fairies are generally associated with being nature-lovers

With that logic, they wouldn't be willing to harm nature, would they?

You can also use this to buff Grass if you want to

[forest egret]

More referring to things dealing x2 to fairy

[jade ocean]

Poison and Steel are both common weaknesses of fairies in fairy tales I think

[forest egret]

Ye

I meant more like, a new weakness

Like if you were to make Bug deal x2 to fairy, what would be the type logic there

[jade ocean]

Idk, I'm not the one suggesting it

I have also seen Psychic SE vs Fairy

[forest egret]

And not even just bug, a lot of types don't seem to have a lot of good ways to interract with something abstract like fairy

[jade ocean]

Because the mind can rationalise that fairy tales arent real

And with Psychic being another bad type, it'd be a cool buff to see

[forest egret]

It'd be interesting

[jade ocean]

Though I personally think playing into the mind bending metal thing and making Psychic SE vs Steel would be cooler

Since Steel is another type that needs to be knocked down a peg and it makes more thematic sense to me

While being a bigger buff for Psychic as Steel currently resists it

[forest egret]

I do wonder how much turning a strength to a weakness would fuck things up

[jade ocean]

It's Psychic

I'm sure it'll be fine...

... for Singles

For Doubles uhhh yeah good luck with that Expanding Force spam idk

[forest egret]

there's probably a lot of weird outreaching consequences that would happen that aren't foreseeable. The typings are kind of delicate like that

[jade ocean]

Crazy how Eforce is single handedly carrying the Psychic type in Doubles

And thus Psychic is dogshit in Singles

I'd rather be almost any other type than Psychic

Heck, in certain situations, I would rather be literally any other type

Psychic is in dire need of a buff

[robust wren]

I stand by nerfing EForce and making Fairy weak to Psychic

[tepid flame]

I stand for more than that

Make Normal immune to Fairy and super effective against Fairy

Give it that one-two Psychic Gen 2 nerf

[robust wren]

I'm that one weird guy who thinks Normal as a type is fine

It's normal type Pokémon that are the issue, kinda like Ice

[tepid flame]

It's fine-ish but 'fine' really doesn't work for Normal when it's just not really a type with any defensive or offensive prowess

Like no-selling Ghost should've been a great thing considering how bonkers Ghost is but then Fighting continues to exist and crunch the type so like

[robust wren]

I don't think anyone on the opposite end of an Ursaluna of either variety would say the type lacks offensive potential

[tepid flame]

Ah yes the mono-Normal Ursaluna

[desert current]

https://tenor.com/view/the-xfiles-the-xfiles-season-5-episode-11-kill-switch-xfiles-maybe-that's-the-point-mulder-gif-4196340168346600596

[tepid flame]

I know it's the point

It is still too outclassed even with that limitation

[robust wren]

I'm not denying that Ground does a lot for them, but let's not pretend that Facade and Blood Moon hitting the amount of stuff they do for Neutral damage isn't a huge contributor to their success

[tepid flame]

True

Normal-type mons as a whole just need like some massive big beater non-Legendary to push them into prominence again

It goes a long way to have a gen with like

3 or more Gen 2 Snorlax-like mons

Powerful and influential and reminding Ghosts to stay in their place

Instead of now where you hope they do the job of busting Ghosts and then lackluster otherwise

[robust wren]

Porygon Z is always just one good buff away from tearing apart the meta

[tepid flame]

Hear me out

The Porygon line should've been retconned to be Normal/Steel

"Beat you said Normal types get crunched by Fighting doesn't it make Porygon-Z even more vulnerable to Fighting" yeah but it was already really bad at being defensive anyway having resistances would at least help shore it out to stick around and kill shit

[jade ocean]

Tbf that's Guts Facade and a Blood Moon that hits Ghost types

So it isn't the most fair comparison of all time

But yeah Normal's not as bad as the likes of Psychic or Bug

[forest egret]

Normal's a decent typing, especially as a dual addition for other typings

There's a lot of great normal moves so getting STAB on them is good.

And an added weakness for a full immunity is a pretty great trade for most type combos

[ripe phoenix]

why should normal be a fairy type’s weakness?? like no really, why should the type that’s designed to be the basic attack type be able to destroy a type that’s better in special attacks than in physical attacks

[ripe phoenix]

no, plus making it normal steel would give it a 4x weakness to fighting and why would an artificial monster made in the digital world be normal/steel?? like there’s nothing inherently “steel” about it

[finite totem]

Psychic because it gets a lot of them or electric. Or just remain as mono normal as everyone knows today

[forest egret]

I don't agree that he should be steel by any means, but Porygon's made of code, that's kinda hard to call "normal" too, or really any other typing

[ripe phoenix]

i mean, normal/electric seems possible if you wanna take in consideration with porygon being made in code

[forest egret]

Ah, but is he made of electricity? It's hard to say if that counts

"Computer code" is kind of an abstract concept for a physical creature to be made of

[ripe phoenix]

i mean, the PC transports pokemon

[forest egret]

Perhaps that's why Porygon is normal type

He's "Normal" because all the other pokemon can go into computers too so he isn't special

[ripe phoenix]

honestly it should stay that way, i find him to be cool despite being a baby blue and pink duck that got banned off of the anime because pikachu just HAD to use its’ electric moves

[forest egret]

To be fair, Team Rocket launched the missile

It's really their fault lol

Truly they are an evil trio

Actually ig the computer launched them

And Team Rocket just happened to be there

[finite totem]

There is nothing even gray about Rocket besides you could try to argue a single backstory for entire organisation

[jade ocean]

Porygon is Porygon

Simple

Well, not Simple

That would be like

Swoobat

[forest egret]

I wonder what happens if you like, cut a Porygon

[jade ocean]

Simple Porygon-Z with Z Conversion would be funny though

[forest egret]

Like what do his insides look like does he have digital organs or what

[jade ocean]

Porygon's insides look like Porygon's insides

[forest egret]

Shaped like itself

[karmic escarp]

inside porygon theres just another slightly smaller porygon

[forest egret]

It's porygons all the way down

[finite totem]

now I wonder if pokeballs are actually just a really complex cd or hard drive

[cosmic path]

Guys here me out, now is the time to bring back two fo the most forgotten legendary/mythical pokemon. Phione and Manaphy.

Wind and waves is gonna be the most water based region yet. If Manaphy is ever gonna have any relevance, it will be now.

[runic pecan]

Didn't Nintendo reference the "Too much water" review after IGN responded to the Wind and Waves trailer?

[robust wren]

Manaphy was already brought back relatively recently in Arceus, so I don't think it will be brought back anytime soon

[cosmic path]

That barely counts. I want Manaphy to have relevance. I want Manaphy to live up to the tile "Prince of the Sea"

[forest egret]

Has there ever been a case where a mythical from another pokemon game returns in another mainline game

I guess PLA is considered a mainline game but I guess I mean moreso the actual normal pokemon games

[normal zodiac]

Yup

[robust wren]

There's Meloetta

[indigo mango]

watch the movie i guess

[cosmic path]

🙁 I just want my boy to get some respect

[cunning sierra]

I mean, they've proven with Cosmog that Legendaries are capable of evolution, so with that logic so could Manaphy and Phione

[robust wren]

Phione probably would evolve in a world where TPC didn't want as many people as possible to participate in the Gamestop events/buy Pokémon Rangers

Wonder how many Rangers cartridges are still out there with the egg available for claiming

[opal gull]

moreover they definitely hadnt decicde legendaries could evolve yet back then

[robust wren]

I think Rowan specifically had dialog about that not being a thing that happens

[indigo mango]

well Cosmog is an ultra beast

better example would be Kubfu

[cunning sierra]

Ah right

[forest egret]

I like to imagine that there can only be one Manaphy at any given time and that once one dies or whatever, a Phione evolves to take its place

There's not much to really support how their relationship actually works though

[lime void]

Kubfu should not be a legendary

[jade ocean]

Technically, no it isn't

There isn't actually any confirmation that the Solgaleo or Lunala are straight up Ultra Beasts

They do have some connection but there's nothing direct

What is confirmed is that Solgaleo and Lunala are Legendaries

And there's 0 reason to assume their prevos aren't

Cosmog and Cosmoem aren't even the only Evolving Legendaries in Gen 7

Type: Null evolves too

Sure the main different is just the removal of the helmet

But the game literally calls it an evolution

[jade ocean]

Also, whether Kubfu should or should not be a Legendary doesn't matter in this conversation

What matters is that it is

And helps set the precedent that Legendaries can evolve

Also if you want to include it, Meltan, a Mythical, can also evolve

Albeit only in Pokemon GO

And it isn't considered to be the prevo of Melmetal in the mainline games

As shown by it being incapable of evolving into Melmetal and not working with the Eviolite

[forest egret]

I wonder what the in-universe criteria for being a legendary is

Evolution, power, gender, rarity, and placement in cosmology seem to be pretty inconsistent. The only thing they all seem to share is that they have no Egg group. Manaphy has one, but it's a Mythical

But then again, there are non-legendary pokemon who also have no egg group

I guess they just go off of vibes

[jade ocean]

Which Pokemon are these?

At the top of my head, baby Pokemon, Nidorina and Nidoqueen and Unown

But I can't remember any other one

[forest egret]

The baby pokemon (makes sense), Nidorina and Nidoqueen, and Unown

[jade ocean]

Oh and UBs/Paradoxes/Mythicals

OK I just checked

There's also the Gimmighoul line and the Galar Fossils

Which like

Makes sense for the latter

And I guess the former if you ignore that other Pokemon that are just ghosts possessing something can breed

[forest egret]

I wonder if there's any debates in-universe about that sorta thing

[jade ocean]

Also

[forest egret]

Like if there are professors who argue over Gholdengo being a legendary or not

[jade ocean]

Some Legendary Pokemon can breed in canon

Even if they can't in-game

The most notable example to me being the Cosmog line

Because we literally see it happen in game

... if you count that as breeding idk

I mean, it's some form of reproduction

Close enough

[forest egret]

There are some legendaries who have multiples within their species so you can usually assume they reproduce

[jade ocean]

That too

The Eon Duo comes to mind

For me at least

[forest egret]

The legendary birds having regionals implies they're not that much different from just being normal pokemon

[jade ocean]

Tbf the regionals are convergent evolutions

It's just that convergent evolution didn't exist yet in Pokemon

Well I mean

Technically Wailord and Sharpedo convergently evolved fins

But you get what I mean

[forest egret]

I always got the impression that Heatran was just a guy

Who just happens to be rare

It has lore about it potentially being the embodiement of the earth's crust, but people also thought Volcarona was the Sun so they could just be wrong

[jade ocean]

I'd say something about Heatran being stronger

But like

Volcarona's not exactly weak in lore

Considering it just scattering its scales can apparently asphyxiate an entire city

And it can literally act as the replacement for the sun during volcanic winters

[forest egret]

A lot of pokemon be doing crazy shit like that

[jade ocean]

Not to mention how they're pretty similarly strong from a competitive standpoint

And from a BST standpoint, while Heatran does have higher BST, Volcarona does share its BST with a couple of Legendaries, though only later gen ones that there are also likely multiple of

And by likely I mean it's literally confirmed for one of the 2

[forest egret]

I will say, Volcarona's whole thing about the sun replacement is prefaced with the always safe "it is said" but I agree that Heatran doesn't feel much more legendary than he does

[jade ocean]

I love using it is said in fakemon dex entries

That way I can very clearly tell anyone reading them that no, this is not the case, the dex entry writers are just fucking stupid

Without outright saying so

[forest egret]

It's a trick often used in Infinite Fusion's custom dex entries too

[robust wren]

I remember a fan comic joking about Yamask's dex entry, claiming that because they're supposedly dead people that people breeding for shiny ones ended up decimating the local population

[jade ocean]

Real

[robust wren]

The crazy thing is that Yamask isn't even an "it is said" entry. Them being people once is something the dex writers think is objectively true.

[jade ocean]

To give them benefit of the doubt, maybe only the first few Yamask to exist were real humans

And from those few, they eventually became a species

Or idk maybe there's a lot of people in the afterlife

I mean with some of these dex entries

I wouldn't doubt it

Even restricting to the more believable ones there's still a good amount of Pokemon that kill people for shits and giggles

[robust wren]

An entire spexies of ghostly entities mourning a life they never had is some SOMA tier existential craziness

[jade ocean]

Actually how tf do literal dead people breed anyways

We literally collect 108 spirits to form Spiritomb

We know that it being 108 spirits is legit

How tf does a collection of 108 spirits sealed in a stone reproduce

[robust wren]

I could see it maybe doing the ghost equivalent of budding I guess

[jade ocean]

Then why tf does it need a partner

Does it need emotional support to bud?

Man idfk

Honestly maybe just

Not all Pokemon that can breed in-game can also breed in-lore

It goes the opposite way too

With some Pokemon that can't breed mechanically being able to breed in-lore

[robust wren]

Come to think of it, how does Spiritomb even have genders? Do all 108 spirits trapped inside have the same gender identity? Is it a rule of majority?

[jade ocean]

Any male in a female spiritomb gets forcefemmed and vice versa

(This is a joke, this is a joke, don't cancel me, this is a joke)

[amber monolith]

Maybe depends on the majority? And then it’s just random if it’s evenly split?

[indigo mango]

They are from a different dimension and theorised in dialogue to be Ultra Beasts. And them being able to use Ultra Holes makes it more clear. A straight confirmation? No. Something you can say when you pay attention? Yes. More evidence that they are then that they aren't. But yes technically no confirmation. To go with the other point Type Null does not evolve. He breaks out of its Armor which only slowed it down

Auto correct only correcting words when its wrong urg

[jade ocean]

Lunala and Solgaleo are Legendaries first, UBs second (if at all)

And the game literally refers to Type: Null breaking its mask as evolving

[indigo mango]

Yeah im talking lore

[jade ocean]

These are literally both points I addressed too

[forest egret]

My guess is that Spiritomb becomes sort of it's own entity

Perhaps they're more like... more conscious cells

Still alive, but seperate from the sum creature's mind

Or uh, as alive as a soul can be anyway

[tepid flame]

I mean just 1 of the spirit feeling the vibe is enough to breed I imagine

[indigo mango]

spritombs lore is so weird to me. its just written as a single being but its not a legend or mythical and can breed

same weirdness as mimikyu

[amber monolith]

Mimikyu ain’t weird

It just wants to be loved, so it cosplays as Pikachu

[indigo mango]

read my full comment for the sentence to work

[indigo mango]

.

[amber monolith]

does that disprove what I said?

:V

[indigo mango]

like Spiritomb its written as if only 1 exists

[indigo mango]

i would say so as my weirdness wasnt about who it is or what it does but just its existence as a standard mon

[forest egret]

There's a few dex entries that fall into the flaw of writing pokemon as sole characters rather than a species

[indigo mango]

really depends tho. cause it just talking about a specific case isnt the same

like a dex saying soemthing like "Snorlax once ate an entire Towns Food supply and caused the people to starve" is talking about one specific Snorlax sure but thats still true of what Snorlax are

Mimikyue specifically is a pokemon jelous of Pikachu and dresses like it. thats its story thats why it looks this way. so this means that every single mimiykue has this reasoning and thats weird as fuck

[forest egret]

The one that's like "it happened one day, a kid woke up and turned into Kadabra" feels like it's doing this and also is just fucking weird and stupid as an entry in general

Volcarona's also feel very like individual often

Mimikyu and Spiritomb ofc are pretty big examples of doing this too as you mentioned

Froslass has some of its entries indulge in this too

It's stupid, I wish the pokedex was generally more useful at describing how pokemon are like rather than just being some dude's fanfic forum

[indigo mango]

kinda but not really

Abra exists

all this says is that one day a kid turned into a Kadabra

[forest egret]

What I'm saying is that the entry is worded in such a way that implies this is what Kadabra is, when it's obviously not true, it's an entire species and it has a prevo

[indigo mango]

like Bill turned into a Clefairy once, which could be turned into a Dex entry. Doesnt mean that all Clefairy are Bill

[forest egret]

The dex shouldn't mention that though because it doesn't apply to the species as a whole. If you open clefairy's entry and it just says "A human turned into clefairy" that wouldn't... work, it shouldn't mention one-offs like that

[indigo mango]

why wouldnt it

im pretty sure a bunch of dex entries mention one off events

[forest egret]

But you could easily just say "oh well Spiritombs is fine, maybe the 108 thing was just one Spiritomb and all the others are different", it still doesn't make it any better

[indigo mango]

well no cause it said it was formed that way

[forest egret]

And I'm not saying that the dex isn't guilty of doing this, when I say it "shouldn't mention that" I mean that it and all the other examples already in-game shouldn't be a thing

[indigo mango]

108 spirits formed it, it then caused issues with the people and an old man trapped it in a keystone

[forest egret]

I find it odd that Spiritomb's PLA suggests what the issue is, and yet all other entries just ignore it entirely

Laventon says "it was written", which implies a lot of the lore surrounding the pokemon might be rumor-based, and yet the modern dex entries treat it as objective fact

[robust wren]

Honestly I kinda understand it. It's an entire species of entities so horrifying to look at that pretty much anyone who's seen one has died painfully. If I was born like that I too would crave affection and feel a level of envy towards stuff that receives said affection

[forest egret]

But surely every single one didn't undergo the same character arc right

The dex just frames it as yes, they do

Every single cubone's mother is dead dex said so

[indigo mango]

well that one is def true

it wears the skull

[forest egret]

Even when you have its mom in the same party

[indigo mango]

in lore a cubone dies when giving birth

[indigo mango]

meh thats gameshit. in that world you also give birth to leeks or a wodden drum both things the mon actually gets after birth

or pretty much any item

[forest egret]

I'm not gonna buy the cubone thing unless they actually give an explanation beyond the dex

[indigo mango]

like it wearing its skull

Pokopia also has Cubone grieving its Mom

[forest egret]

Good for him

[finite totem]

Now does marowak wear skull of itself, its mother or its dead child?

[forest egret]

His spit his own skull out like a cartoon character

[robust wren]

According to the Shield dex entry, that's it's mothers skull that merged with its own head.

A bit odd, but it's nothing that other Pokémon haven't done, such as Wormadam

Alolan Marowak's flames are also apparently its mothers soul according to ZA

[velvet forum]

So its just a infinite loop of skulls?

[indigo mango]

not too hard to believe

plenty animals have it in their genetics to die after giving birth

[robust wren]

That does lead to the question of how the Cubone line sustains itself. The fact that the child takes the mothers skull kinda implies it's an only child, cause if it had any siblings, where would they get any skulls? It feels like that kinda setup would result in the Cubone line slowly dying out as the species slowly halves itself away

[indigo mango]

well only the mom dies

not the dad

and females still get born. just die after giving birth

again this is a real thing with animals

[robust wren]

But the father will eventually die too, meaning no matter how many mothers the father mates with, the lineage will ultimately be left with less members of the species than it started with

Mothers dying after childbirth is something that happens IRL, I accept that, but it's usually stuff like spiders and octopi that leave behind large broods

[amber monolith]

This is pokemon. They all come from eggs.

[lime void]

Are we seriously going to ignore the fact that you can breed baby Cubone without the mother dying

[jade ocean]

Breeding in Pokemon just makes no sense at all

[robust wren]

Eggs in Pokémon are just weird. They're described as being more akin to cradles at various points in the game, but that's never elaborated on

I think that's supposed to explain away stuff like why Vulpix doesn't come out the egg with a singular white tail as the dex explains, but again, what exactly differentiates them from traditional eggs is just handwaved away

[forest egret]

When the daycare guy says like "idk how that egg got there", I like to believe he's not being coy, and that people in this world have no idea how it works

[tepid flame]

Idk it's pretty easy to square

Games compress their locations and time and much of it for the sake of gameplay mechanics

Like yes in the Pokemon world in universe I think a Vulpix hatches out of the egg with just a singular white tail because that's what its lore is

But like do you think GameFreak wants to make a specific Vulpix sprite that just has one white tail or make a new preevo just to justify that bit of lore

Obviously not so we just get a hatched Vulpix that was supposed to be last stage of Vulpix because it's easier in a gameplay perspective to make/understand than if it was fully accurate to the letter and spirit

[forest egret]

Obviously

But "gameplay reasons" isn't very fun to talk about is it

[tepid flame]

Yea

It's just not really a minus for me whenever a game doesn't make sense with its story in general because yeah that's just gameplay and story segregation in action

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GameplayAndStorySegregation

[forest egret]

I choose to believe the people writing the dex are pathological liars it's funnier to me

Gaslighting device

[desert current]

The dex is actually written by AI, and the inconsistencies can be chalked up to the AI hallucinating. XD

[tepid flame]

https://tenor.com/view/chimutan-chicken-cillian-murphy-peaky-blinders-gif-15173158631897442446

[desert current]

(I don't like AI, by the way...)

[clear narwhal]

Spoiler/leak for winds and waves ||Pokemon will be In it||

[desert current]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-cat-shock-shocked-flabbergasted-surprised-gif-6472373116831647779

[clear narwhal]

Idk why but that made my day

[brittle wadi]

i think the mods need to ban you for this huge shocking reveal

[lyric stratus]

WiWa leaks fr fr

[main gyro]

Lore accurate WiWa picture

[royal wren]

what even happens in this place?

[velvet forum]

yes

[lyric stratus]

I extra shakef my cam to make it blurry looking like a leak

Its Pirats of batavia
Today Jakarta in Indonesia
Its in a Netherland themed area cuz the Netherlands have a lot og history with Indonesia

[finite totem]

Where they don't is a better question

[mortal mica]

it does when i do it

[undone sky]

whar

[cunning sierra]

I don't even want to know what they mean by that

[finite totem]

But no seriously did GF expect me to try bunch of combinations and find a common egg group?

[opal gull]

yes, thats what the different blurbs about how well they get along were for

[unborn cave]

dash

[velvet forum]

?tag rule9

[rotund edge]

Make sure to follow the #rules!

Rule 9:
Spoilers / Leaks. Any announced information about upcoming games and media (including sprites, art, memes, or any reference new Pokémon or character designs) must be hidden under a spoiler, unless posted in the specific channel for that game for a minimum of 2 months after their release. Leaked information relevant to current and future games is no longer allowed on this server to ensure Nintendo doesn't disappear us.

[velvet forum]

thank you

[nocturne lava]

ok sorry

[radiant meadow]

"to ensure Nintendo doesn't disappear us." damn you nintendo

[finite totem]

Tbh besides what trailer gave us leaks are a little too vague anyway

[true tapir]

hello

[unborn kelp]

I mean

There's pokemon champions

Something something unseen fist golurk

[split dawn]

Personally, I think we aren't properly separating the Pokedex lore with the individual lore. Cubone as a species started by one's mother (likely a Kangaskhan) dying, then the original Cubone evolved with the skull. Then, the skull is fused to the original Marowak's head and it became part of the line's genes, so every descendent of that original Marowak is just born with a new outer skull, probably because it's great protection. I could also understand them feeling things through the skull as they did in the anime.

[lime void]

You’re confusing lore with head canons and unconfirmed theories

[split dawn]

This is the best explanation, not the correct answer

[lime void]

If it’s not the correct answer then clearly it’s not the best explanation

[split dawn]

The correct answer would be what is confirmed. If we do not know, then we can only theorize.

The correct answer is unknown, making the best explanation forcibly not the correct answer

[lime void]

We know what the correct answer is: that Cubone wears the skull of its dead mother. It has absolutely zero relation to Kangaskhan

[desert current]

How is "the best explanation" that Cubone is a completely different species than what we know it is? 💀

Like its a Cubone, NOT a baby Kangaskhan.

Completely different species.

If it were in any way related to Kangaskhan it wouldn't evolve into Marowak, it would evolve into Kangaskhan.

[indigo mango]

People also be ignoring that a few times a Cubone's dead mom was shown it was a Marowak

[robust wren]

As recent as LGPE, even.

So from day one in the Pokémon Tower in RBY to more recent times in LGPE, Cubones mom has always been Marowak

The Kangaskhan theory is cute, but there's more evidence against it than in favor

[acoustic igloo]

Baby Kangaskhan is actually 'M, because that can evolve into Kangaskhan.

[noble ice]

So what you guys most Eevee evolution that you hope to see come to Gen Ten.

for me, I would love to see a rock or dragon type come to the the Eevee evolution line.

[lime void]

I’d like to see the light type eeveelution, cause that doesn’t exist

[unborn cave]

yes bro omg i get so mad when ppl talk abt cubone being a kangaskhan

[unborn cave]

a steel type one could be cool

[robust wren]

I've honestly given up hope on there being any new Eeveelutions ever since I heard about the Flying type Eeveelution mess

[cunning sierra]

honestly IF we do get one, I've said it before but give me a Bug type Eeveelution that looks like a Poodle Moth

[lime void]

https://tenor.com/view/i-request-elaboration-white-vision-paul-bettany-wandavision-i-want-an-explanation-gif-22928362

[cunning sierra]

tell me this doesn't scream Eeveelution (spoiler just in case anyone doesn't like bugs even though its cute)

[jade ocean]

Something about Gamefreak trying to make a Flying Type Eeveelution

But all the designs that weren't ass were too similar to existing ones

And they were worried people would get on their ass for it and they could even get into legal trouble if situations escalated

Which sounds extremely silly but people are getting on their ass for Palafin being somewhat similar to a pre-existing fakemon

[cunning sierra]

I'm trying to pull in some of the region's location for an Eeveelution and there's no way they'd make a Mananaggal unless its like two Pokemon as one because that would need MEGA CENSORED

or even a Ground type Eeveelution that's based around the Palayok-palayukan, which is a form of pottery in the Phillipines

[robust wren]

And it's not like Eeveelutions are, y'know, the single most popular type of Fakemon or anything

[lime void]

Or, hear me out (pun not intended) we get a sound type eeveelution

[robust wren]

No

Let Sound stay a subtype

[lime void]

Exactly. They’re not going to make a sound type, which means Eevee won’t get a new evolution and Gen 1 won’t get more underserved special treatment for a Mon that already got underserved special treatment

[acoustic igloo]

It's a better idea than a Cosmic type, but that isn't saying much at all.

[tepid flame]

If there's a Gen 1 mon that still deserves special treatment its Eevee and only purely because its gimmick is something that could've been constantly cross gen

The fact that it's been ended with Sylveon for too long is a point of failure and cowardice on Nintendo's part

[robust wren]

Gamefreak threw the gimmick away and decided to market Eevee the same way they do with Pikachu, IE while ignoring its evolutions, proving that they have no idea what they're doing

"Let's make a game where the Pokémon with "evolution" as the primary source of its name can't evolve!" Statements dreamed by the utterly deranged

[little whale]

I want there to be a banana themed Pokémon

If there's no banana pokemon in the SE based region then what the hell is wrong with GF

[jade ocean]

Idk I think it may somehow be worse than Cosmic

I can't really think of any move that'd fall under that category other than Cosmic Power

While Sound steps on the toes of multiple specific Pokemon who have sound-based signatutes like Primarina, Skeledirge, Toxtricity, Kommo-O, Noivern etc as well as the Normal Type as a whole, which has 2 good special moves that are both sound-based

All of those Pokemon kinda really don't want to lose either of their typings

Except maybe Noivern with Flying?

And with how Sparkling Aria and Torch Song are definitely dual-themed moves, the most logical option would be them to be kinda like Flying Press

And if you know Flying Press, you know that's likely gonna be a major nerf

[robust wren]

I think Tropius is already confirmed to be in if that counts

I would say it does

[jade ocean]

Light is also similar in a way except this time it's mostly restricted to signature moves

And tbh if you were to give Pokemon the Light type over one of their types

Chances are it's a buff

Because they were probably Psychic types anyways

[robust wren]

Liquid Voice would also be a more contentious ability as it would potentially cut down on Primarina's coverage

[jade ocean]

Psychic is such a fraud-ass type

[robust wren]

I stand by my Plastic type suggestion, as unlikely as it would be

[jade ocean]

Then again, Iron Boulder no longer has accurate Rock STAB in this scenario

And Kyogre loses STAB on its Signature Move

Unless it becomes a Light type I guess

Would fit with Groudon's signature not benefitting off its weather I suppose

[robust wren]

I feel like Rotom Stereo in Pokopia has ultimately put the nail in the coffin of Sound type

Cause if they were gonna make it a thing eventually, Rotom Stereo would have been the perfect way to market it

But alas, Electric/Normal

[forest egret]

I hope Rotom Stereo becomes a regular mainline addition

The other pokopia variants are more individual and not really warranting of a whole ass new form to use in-game, but Rotom Stereo feels perfectly valid as another Rotom

[novel atlas]

And of course

We assume it gets boomburst

As it gets most of the other voice moves already

Single weakness is pry nice

[robust wren]

The most dominant form of Rotom being a Normal type after decades of Wash being the undeniable best would be funny

just goes to show Normal isn't as bad as people make it out to be

[unborn cave]

that would honestly be so peak

[robust wren]

I would call Normal the most misunderstood type, but not even Gamefreak themselves understood Ice until recently

[finite totem]

I expect a new move since every other move its forms get has an accuracy below 100

[royal dagger]

How could you

[velvet forum]

my life is ruined bc of @clear narwhal

they spoiled it for me!

[acoustic igloo]

Spoiler/leak for Winds and Waves: ||It exists||

[royal dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/twizzfizz-le-gasp-twizzfizz-gasp-gasp-shocked-gif-26333330

[desert current]

https://tenor.com/view/anakin-liar-star-wars-lying-gif-8634649

Its just a community-wide mandela effect.

Pikachu died six years ago, you have to let it go /j

[twin nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/my-reaction-reaction-my-reactoin-to-my-reaction-to-that-my-reaction-to-that-information-gif-27615079

[olive panther]

I like how, in lieu of having any actual information to talk about, this channel has devolved into memery and insanity. Glorious.

[lyric stratus]

Tbf if talked about theories and such many start with "nuh uh"

[tepid flame]

Would you prefer I keep talking about how Eeveelutions continue to get snubbed and made irrelevant because Nintendo has no clue how to market final evo mons and instead treat Eevee like Pikachu as if Eevee's gimmick isn't "it can evolve into anything!"

[lyric stratus]

I mean another good one is how we likely wont get new eeveelutions cuz of all those fake evos people made

[robust wren]

Which is still such an asinine notion on Gamefreaks part

I guarantee if we got a Pokémon that looked like someone's fanart, 99 percent of artists first instinct would be "wow, one of the official artists and I are on a similar wavelength, that's cool" and not "I'm calling a lawyer"

[robust wren]

They still market final evos, but it's mostly just the same exact three notes of "Charizard, Lucario, Greninja"

(Side note, any of the starters getting marketed more than the others will always annoy me because it basically implies there's a "right" answer between them)

[lyric stratus]

America is known to sue for dumb stuff
Now think suing a multi billion dollar comp

[jade ocean]

Idk though, Palafin got some backlash for being very slightly similar to a fakemon

Though I mostly only see people whine about it in this server

Because this server is ironically probably the server I'm in that hates mainline Pokemon the most

[tepid flame]

Is it

I feel like the only people hating mainline Pokemon here are like

The stragglers at #off-topic lmao

[robust wren]

I would personally describe the opinions toward modern Pokémon on this server as mixed

Like, Legends ZA was treated as a pariah by Pokémon antis for months to the point I saw it make a few "worst games of 2025" lists (c'mon people, there were WAY worse games that year) and while I definitely saw plenty of criticism of it here, it was generally seen as about a 6/10 game

Plenty to like, and plenty to dislike, evening out to adequate

Even hyperfocusing on ZA's negative aspects, it does not belong in the same discussion as games like MindsEye

[tepid flame]

It's certainly a post-DS Pokemon game

[olive panther]

Yeah, can't say I've seen a great deal of hate here in general, outside of a few exceptions. It does also suck that Gamefreak's stance on fan designs was somewhat reinforced by palafin, because they're going to end up backed into a corner eventually if they keep avoiding fan design comparisons.

[tepid flame]

If you hate Pokemon games at this juncture you're probably a bandwagoner no offense

They've kinda just been this same quality ever since Gen 8 (you can argue Gen 6 to 7) and it's not like Nintendo/Gamefreak ever changed up the mainline games too much formula-wise

You get what you get out of it (and that's why the Legends spinoff are amazing)

[olive panther]

True that, been having a great deal of fun with Pokopia as well.

[white valley]

lol Pokemon USA sued cancer researchers for naming a cancer causing gene they’d discovered the ‘POK Erythroid Myeloid ONtogenic’ or Pokemon gene

To be fair they did it for attention and then they bloody well got it so I can’t say I blame them

[velvet forum]

what the fuck does this have to do with pokemon winds and waves

[rose thicket]

There's almost nothing to talk about with Winds and Waves. Anything we know has probably been beaten to death in the past two months (almost). This channel will probably not be super useful until the next Pokémon Presents tbh (unless something is released in Nintendo direct for some reason)

We basically just know starters, some graphics, go underwater, and titles. And that suspicous cloud

[finite totem]

yeah tbh might rename this channel to champions

Game is coming in 2027, likely late 2027, leaks aren't allowed so we won't get something official until at least late summer

And champions is basically showdown if you two thirds of content and replace it with visuals that will supposedly get updates (and buying floette-e)

[finite totem]

Well maybe the background gradient in logo has something to tell

It really gives some multitype vibes

[lime void]

So what you’re saying is Silvally’s going to get a regional variant in Winds and Waves

(Please Arceus no)

[velvet forum]

Well there hasnt been any real leaks as it is

[amber monolith]

it’ll get one, trust me

[finite totem]

not necessarily an Silvally or Arceus

Could lean to something like Terapagos too

[velvet forum]

how about none of the above

The background of the waves title is literally just the sun and a blue and purple wave

definitely has nothing to do with anything multitype

[lime void]

I don’t think they’re serious

[velvet forum]

Who wants to have a bet that gamefreak will make popular pokemon from generation 1 have some part in whatever gimmick we are getting for wiwa

[lime void]

https://giphy.com/gifs/the-office-mrw-d10dMmzqCYqQ0

[velvet forum]

We all know charizard will get 4 more forms and pikachu already is confirmed with those costumes

[lime void]

Pikachu I can somewhat except since it’s the series mascot. But no other Gen 1 Pokémon that received special treatment in Gen 6 or later should get anything

And honestly I’d prefer that no Gen 1 Pokémon get any special treatment, but since it’s the franchise’s anniversary I don’t think that’s likely

[velvet forum]

i think gen 1 is highly overrated

so much so that i dont wanna see another kanto esque game till 2070

[nimble basin]

pokemon legends charizard featuring mega charizard z and a charizardium z crystal

[lime void]

The absolute earliest we should get a Kanto game (not counting postgame Johto) is in Gen 14

Debatably even 15

[cunning sierra]

Usually the colors of the logos retain to the Legendaries to some extent so it'll be a ton of cooler colors if that's the case

[finite totem]

In a way Pikachu's special treatment is different from any of the pokemon

Since it got gimmicks specific to itself (cosplay forme, partner forme and if this new thing is a forme that too)

[tepid flame]

I disagree but only because Eevee still exists

It was stupid of Nintendo to limit themselves out of making Eeveelutions because "uhhhh a fan already made that" then and it's still really stupid now

Outside of that I agree

[lime void]

Problem is, they’ve given Eevee special treatment outside of more eeveelutions

[tepid flame]

Which is exactly the wrong thing to do

Which is the worst part

I don't mind special treatments if its things like new cross gen evos like Farigiraf (which was so unexpected but awesome) or new moves/abilities or new gimmicks for it that applies to all mons (yeah it's super Kanto pandering but at least it can theoretically not be limited to just the Kanto mons)

When its shit like what Lets Go did yeah fuck them

[robust wren]

Don't forget that it gets it's own exclusive Terastal form

[noble ice]

So, besides all the Pokémon that we saw in the first trailer of wind and waves what’s are some Pokémon do you guys hope to see being in the game

[lime void]

I want Lanturn to be in the game and get a new evolution

And obviously the best Pokémon should be in the game

[hazy knot]

Weird way to say Charizard but ok

[lime void]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gun-shoot-ak47-war-gif-7990705687144326

[unborn cave]

they meant breloom 🙄

[indigo mango]

Finizin and maybe another "Hero" Mon. Could have a Hero of the Ocean and one of the Sky. Or add a Finizin regional form that is a Villain

[hazy knot]

True!

[amber monolith]

we need Pachirisu and Lokix in WiWa

possibly Joltik too

[unborn cave]

a regional villain form would be so awesome

[acoustic igloo]

Correct

https://tenor.com/view/roserade-pokémon-roserade-magical-leaf-pokémon-magical-leaf-budew-gif-26938839

[velvet forum]

Torchic

[finite totem]

Lokix is in there

As long as we don't get a regional evolution for nymble

[royal dagger]

Yamask (Cofagrigus is my favorite pokemon)

[finite totem]

according to bulbapedia

so unless we get regionals/splits all of these are confirmed

also official website kept the colour which some say tanned but could be static shinies

(and likely version exclusive since they have clothing difference similar to mc)

[humble pivot]

I'm hopin for another non-dragon type pseudo

[cloud shale]

fr I’m so mad they left Crobat out of SV

[robust wren]

It's been over 2 decades since our last non-Dragon pseudo. It's absurd that it fanned out like this.

[humble pivot]

Oh absolutely, would also love if they gave certain Pokemon extra tweaks to make them pseudos they should be eg extra pre evo, stat boost, exp tweak

Though I know the Pokemon devs aren’t fucked to do any good changes

[urban lintel]

They took away Knock off from Incineroar so they are goated for that

[royal dagger]

In b4 it turned out to just be a mistake and they give it back Knock Off

[urban lintel]

NYYYYOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[fickle birch]

Also, 2 of the initial four weren't Dragon-types, even if one of those was still reptilian. 😅

[royal dagger]

Honestly I'd love it if one of the unused type combos became this gens pseudo

Like could you imagine what sort of mythical looking monster they could come up with

[urban lintel]

well, the Reason why most Pseudo Pkmn are so good is because of the Typing-

if you make a Bug Pseudo that thing...idk how long that thing will survive

it needs to be as Good as Tyranitar

[royal dagger]

I mean Bug/ Dragon is an unused type

[fickle birch]

Also 600 BST is a large reason why they're good, or Metagross' Steel typing. 🙂

[urban lintel]

oh well

600 BST does not make a Pkmn great

its the Ability and the Moves

look at Goodra, that thing is like..not good even worse than Tyranitar

Tyranitar is the best example, its Typing is so damn bad like, so many weaknesses and a 4x weakness against Fighting, but Tyranitar has so many moves and its ability

and that makes Tyranitar so good

like, Tyranitar is always in a Sandstorm team, its the best Pkmn in a Sandstorm

[forest egret]

Goodra's not bad, moreso outclassed in comp

None of the Psuedos are bad, really. It's kinda hard to be bad when your stats are that high. Goodra just doesn't do much special to push it out of just being a generic powerhouse

[urban lintel]

i think Goodra is just bad

what does it give you? a Grass Immunity? thats it?

look at the Fairy or Dragon thats faster and one hit killing you

the good thing about Goodra is its high Special Defense

[undone sky]

Goodra my goat

[finite totem]

Unless you are sla-gigas

But then again only those and maybe base shaymin are bad pokemon in ≥600 range

[jade ocean]

Idk though, being about as good as the other slow, specially defensive yet physically frail special attacking Dragon type in your generation is not a good showing for Goodra

[robust wren]

Even sadder is that Goodra would get a way better typed regional form later, and the same generation it was usable online would introduce a far superior defensive Dragon/Steel type

[forest egret]

Again, I don't think these neccesarily make a pokemon "bad", and more "outclassed". I think those are two different things

[jade ocean]

Being a pseudo legendary and having a close competition with a regular-ass Pokemon from the exact same generation with the exact same role which shares a type with you is not a good look

That's all I'm gonna say

[humble pivot]

I would love a bug ground pseudo or some unusual typing like that

[wintry surge]

Ice/poison

[humble pivot]

that doesnt exist yet does it?

[royal tartan]

i have a theory that wiwa trio will be the weathers, fire electric sunny day and electric feild, grass ground/rock for sand storm and what ever grass is , water ice for hail and rain

since the main theme of the game seems to be weather the starter trio has gotta be related to weather

their secondary type has to be based on one of the weather effects in the game

[humble pivot]

that sounds cool

It's such a shame we'll never get another gen 5 where all the pokemon are new and not reused

[royal tartan]

pombon looks very cloud like, and what do cloud make? thunder, and what can thunder cause? fire
browt is a bird, what is flying weak to? rock, what weather affect does rock have? sand storm
gecqua.... idk i couldn't think

[royal tartan]

they have said before they don't wanna make anything thats close to fanart

sooooo we kinda screwed ourselves over lmfao

[humble pivot]

yeah

so many good ideas that aren't possible

[royal tartan]

they still don't have the jawless fish as a fossil

sacambambis or wharever the name is

[humble pivot]

?

which game is that?

[royal tartan]

Sacabambaspis

thats the fish name

we should have it as a fossil

this as a fossil pokemon would go so hard

[humble pivot]

lol

[wintry surge]

It's such a derp

But I object to having another fih

[maiden echo]

i hate that image so much

its so scary and for why

oh also i was thinking on why pikachu isnt an actual pika and it lead to me thinking that maybe the winds/waves pikaclone might be based on a cloudrunner rat :p

[forest egret]

I kinda love it for how it instills primal fear into people

It's the Saturn Devouring His Son of fish illustrations

[forest egret]

I think the pika in pikachu is simply derived from onomatopeia rather than the animal

Pikachu's name is essentially "Sparksqueak" which is kinda funny, but I guess it's better than "Freezer" or "Ghost"

[maiden echo]

yeah it makes sense. i do like the naems that are onomata'd rather than 'regular word spliced with other regular word'

[cunning sierra]

Honestly, I want another horse Pokémon. Primarily since it pretains to the region the Baguio Pink Horse (which is just a regular horse with pink dye manes)

They could basically make it like Furfrou but it can evolve depending on its coloring

[maiden echo]

been brainstorming this pikaclone idea and i feel like itd be either:

• starting type either electric, normal, or grass, then having a split evo that adds flying or water to it
• electric/grass
• flying/water

if not based on a cloudrunner then itll most likely be a Polynesian rat, aka pacific rat, little rat, or the kiore, which does actually hold a lot of cultural significance

[maiden echo]

i agree gimem more horse

would love to see some sort of pegasus tbh

another regional ponyta/rapidash mayhap? but would love an entirely new mon

[maiden echo]

pink pony club...

also i yearn for more turtle, whale, and shark mons

[velvet forum]

Give us a manatee pokemon

[maiden echo]

yesssss

sea cowwwww

sap sipper

stingray mayhap??

wait we might get blue footed boobies :D!!!! or puffins, tho they might be a lil too far south?

[acoustic igloo]

I was wondering the other day why they haven't done a capybara or a shoe-billed stork yet.

[maiden echo]

capybara....

the different forms are they have different berries on their heads /silly

the closest thing we have to a capy atm is bibarel XD

[spare roost]

mantine

[maiden echo]

thats a manta, not a sting

i want danger tail

[acoustic igloo]

Would love if it were Water/Electric instead of Water/Poison.

[unborn cave]

bobo

we need a fire type in this next game

[amber monolith]

you mean like the starter?

[noble ice]

So what do you guys think the odds are of the new pseudo, legendary not being a dragon type?

[amber monolith]

17/18 chance?

dragon types are prety cool

[robust wren]

I'm not betting on it. But I am hoping for it. Like I said before, it's been nothing but Dragons for 2 decades. It's gotten stale

[noble ice]

And if the pseudo legendary is going to be a dragon type, I pray that they give it the bug type as well, cause I find it a bit ridiculous that after nine generations, we still don’t have a bug and dragon type.

[acoustic igloo]

I want a Fairy pseudo.

[unborn cave]

no the starters a grass type

[forest sable]

Strange way to say spheal

[jagged cedar]

We need some kind of evolution or variant for tropius

[runic pecan]

Strange way to say Dhelmise

[velvet forum]

strange way to say Torchic

[runic pecan]

If there's no Dhelmise in WiWa then I genuinely think that they forgot the title of the games. Why wouldn't you put the Pokémon that is literally an anchor and ship's wheel in Pokémon Waves.

[lime void]

How am I still getting pings from this

[noble ice]

The last time we’ve ever gotten fossil Pokémon was in Gen 8, but do you guys think we’re gonna be getting more?

[lime void]

Could not tell you

[robust wren]

This is the same company that didn't have Solrock and Lunatone in Sun and Moon. Never doubt the depths of their incompetence

[runic pecan]

Fair

[olive panther]

I know a friend who's hopeful for a ledian evo in the games.

[royal dagger]

I mean it needs one

[amber monolith]

make it be a tokusatsu reference

more obvious one

[royal dagger]

What does ramen have to do with Ledian?

[maiden echo]

Omg yeah i forgot about that

[amber monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1198540882085941328/1392347772019282031/IMG_2642.gif

[maiden echo]

But im in agreement for more fire types. Would love to see more volcanion content (or new mons with funky typings like fire/water) since theres loads of underwater vocanic/tectonic activity in that region

Would deffo love another shark mon since i can literally only recall sharpedo in that regard

[robust wren]

If we are going underwater I would like to see a Siphonophore mon cause it could make for an interesting gimmick

[royal dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/the-rugrats-movie-tommy-pickles-i-didnt-do-anything-i-did-nothing-i-didnt-do-anything-wrong-gif-22898823

[amber monolith]

you said ramen

[royal dagger]

Yeah

Tankatsu

[amber monolith]

not the same thing as tokusatsu

[royal dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/what-do-you-mean-bro-rudy-ayoub-what-are-you-talking-about-what-are-you-saying-whats-that-supposed-to-mean-gif-26907424

[tepid flame]

Btw it's tonkotsu

[median aurora]

💀💀💀

[amber monolith]

tokusatsu is different

#off-topic

[hallow breach]

1. Gecqua

2. Pombon

3. Growt

[indigo mango]

Browt

[forest egret]

Grout

[jade ocean]

Trout

[robust wren]

Clout

[velvet forum]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[rustic salmon]

drought

https://tenor.com/view/groudon-dancing-danse-pokemon-meme-gif-15303248203463033312

[unborn cave]

reverse this list and then its perfect

[cunning sierra]

Hell yeah!

BROWT SQUAD

[unborn cave]

*growt squad

[vital remnant]

Think Pokemon Winds might finally have a full Mono-flying Legendary other than Tornadus?

[unborn cave]

itll be like ground/grass or smth

[light pulsar]

I am new guys

[lime void]

Arceus: am I a joke to you

[flat furnace]

Hi new guys

[robust wren]

Counting Arceus as a pure flying legendary is like counting every single Pokémon ever as a pure flying type because of Terastalization

[velvet forum]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokemon-winds-and-waves-pokemon-winds-and-waves-meme-meme-gecqua-gif-2404559179340441022

[royal dagger]

I thought it was spelled Arkoos

[lime void]

No, that’s how it’s pronounced

[royal dagger]

You're right, my bad

Im just a wee tired this morning after spending a couple hours in the hospital for work then having to drive like an hour and a half back to finish shift

[finite totem]

It was always pronounced arseyus or arkeyus tho

[desert current]

Silvally's ability is spelt "RKS" so that's the canon pronunciation.

[amber monolith]

“Are Kay Ess”

[unborn cave]

e

[sly spade]

"Are coos"

[unborn cave]

are keese

[royal dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/cringe-gif-19996625

[unborn cave]

https://tenor.com/by95Q.gif

[velvet forum]

me too bro me too

[noble ice]

I’m got so mad yesterday, I was scrolling through TikTok when I saw the caption say second trailer for Pokémon winds and waves, till I got halfway through it just for me to figure out that it was fake.

[robust wren]

I wouldn't count on any new info regarding WiWa until the next Nintendo Direct at the earliest

Whenever that will happen

[lime void]

I wouldn't bet on their being anything in the direct even, since we're still a year out from it releasing, and they didn't give us any ZA news for a while after it was announced

[cunning sierra]

I know what you're talking about. A friend of mine saw the same thing

[gentle wolf]

Gen 1 - 4 : Japan
Gen 5 : USA
Gen 6 : France
Gen 7 : Hawaii
Gen 8 : UK
Gen 9 : Spain and Portugal
Gen 10 : Philippines

[amber monolith]

gen 7&8 were the best

[forest egret]

Fake leaks were a lot more fun a few gens back, it was kinda funny to see what weird fucked up ideas people cooked up and tried to trick people with

AI's kinda put a bit of a damper on it this time around though, we just get shit like Frogadier 2

[cunning sierra]

Fake leaks during early Scarlet and Violet actually were pretty fun. There was a RubberRoss video where they drew out the leaks of that game at the time and they had some fantastic designs. I really hope that artists kinda do that but I also don't want to be seeing leaks as I've allready seen some already (thankfully fake)

[tepid flame]

I'm gonna guess it was an AI slop trailer too lol

[robust wren]

Never forget this glorious creation

[olive panther]

Ah, yes. Klinktron. The sectret klinklang evolution.

[jade ocean]

The Y there makes me think this is some sort of Mega Klinklang Y

Which makes me beg the question of what Mega Klinklang X looks like

[tepid flame]

I mean not that hard

A bunch of Klinklang in an X shape

[lyric stratus]

Wasnt the same designe used as a Gigamax Klinklang leak

[velvet forum]

You do know hawaii is the US bro? 💀

[gentle wolf]

Yea but like specifically Hawaii

[velvet forum]

So gen 6 would be paris gen 8 would be england gen 9 would be just portugal

[gentle wolf]

I was about to believe this is real but then I notice there's a 33rd klink

[forest egret]

I think most people know what someone means when they seperate the two

[velvet forum]

No clue

[robust wren]

Kalos is all of France. If you want to point to a game that's only Paris, point to ZA

[rustic crypt]

I hope Trevenant is in this game

[normal zodiac]

Peak mentioned

[finite totem]

North half of France

[opal gull]

assuming pattern holds, guesses on fossils we get?

[velvet forum]

Probably a couple pokemon

[opal gull]

wow I never wouldve guessed

I meant what kind of animal

[velvet forum]

a Mollusk and shark

[opal gull]

mollusk is quite broad, more specific

[velvet forum]

Octopus hopefully

[velvet forum]

id like a nautilus too lowkey

[opal gull]

I guess their beak can fossilize

[opal gull]

too similar to omanyte

regional fossils?

[velvet forum]

Sea slug

[opal gull]

slugs def dont leave fossils

[velvet forum]

Yeah well neither do fish dinosaur hybrids

[opal gull]

each half of it do though

[velvet forum]

Well we didnt even get fossils in paldea so i think we could even maybe not even get them 🐟

[opal gull]

we've never gone more than 1 gen in a row without fossils

[velvet forum]

Yeah but who knows with gamefreak nowadays

[robust wren]

More Cambrian stuff, probably

[opal gull]

eg?

[royal dagger]

Id be down for another plant tbh

[opal gull]

not the repeat fossil typings

[cunning sierra]

honestly, considering it hasn't properly been done yet, a Stegosaurus and for something really out there a Longisquama

[opal gull]

Idk if they doa stego when they did half of one already

[cunning sierra]

fair. kinda forgot about the Galar fossils

[robust wren]

Another reason to dislike the Galar fossils if they're standing in the way of getting actual proper Stegosaur/Velociraptor/Dunkleosteus/whatever the Arcto is supposed to be Pokémon

[forest egret]

The velociraptor one I'm ok with tbh. Even though Archeops isn't one I think he scratches the raptor itch for me already

I'd like a full stego though at some point

[olive panther]

I'd like to see something like a kaprosuchus, the galloping crocodile.

[forest egret]

Hell yeah

My favourite dino is the Carnotaurus so I'd be happy seeing one of those as a pokemon

[amber monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-friends-psychicpebbles-pim-smiling-friends-pim-mr-boss-gif-1373626090718171797

tho, ankylosaurs is prob my top favorite

[forest egret]

Ankylo would be cool. I know Torterra is also kind of an Ankylosaur but one that has an armoured back and club tail would be neat

[lyric charm]

I want a remote Pokemon

[forest egret]

Rotom remote form

[lyric charm]

Like it can control a Pokemon at will

Maybe it’ll have some reverse me first that makes the opponent use the move it used last

[normal zodiac]

Hear me out rock fire as a nod to glavenus from monster hunter

[lost nova]

I want a spino dino

[cloud shale]

Torterra has always been more of a tortoise to me anyway

hardcoded Ankylosaur would go crazy

[jade ocean]

Arcto is supposed to be some sort of plesiosaur

Whether it's a Plesiosaurid or a Pliosaurid is unclear, however

Anyways I'd be down for some sort of terrestrial pseudosuchian, though admittedly Krookodile kinda already fits the bill

Then again pseudosuchians don't typically get up on their hind legs

While Skeledirge is also definitely not associated with water, it has the build of a more semiaquatic crocodyliform

I mean based on that speed stat it sure as fuck isn't galloping, that's for sure

Also, this would be an excuse to make an actual fast Rock type

[velvet forum]

Can you translate this to english please

wtf

[forest egret]

It's the clade that crocodiles and their relatives are in

[jade ocean]

Pseudosuchians are a clade of animals that include crocodiles

[velvet forum]

why cant we just dumb it down and say lizards bro

[jade ocean]

I specifically use this term instead of crocodiles because technically, the land crocodiles of the past are usually not crocodiles

[velvet forum]

[jade ocean]

Crocodiles are closer to birds than lizards

[velvet forum]

no way

cant be in intelligence tho

[forest egret]

It depends on the bird tbh. The smartest of avians are smarter than crocodiles but Crocodiles are pretty intelligent

[jade ocean]

While they are smarter than you'd probably expect, most crocodiles aren't likely to be as smart as the average bird, since birds are one of the smartest groups of animals

There is definitely at least one existing species of crocodile I can think of that is very intelligent though

And quite ironically, it's also the only extant species of crocodile that can gallop

[forest egret]

It's a little difficult to study crocodile intelligence since they're a lot harder to monitor in the wild compared to most birds

[jade ocean]

Ngl I think I prefer Skeledirge over the other crocodilian Pokemon specifically because it stays quadrupedal

Not for any "Hurr durr human-like" reason

I just think they look cooler as quadrupeds

[forest egret]

He's mostly quadrupedal though he does stand on his hind legs sometimes

It's sort of the reverse of Feraligatr, who's mostly bipedal but goes on all fours sometimes

[olive panther]

Main time it's shown is with torch song.

[forest egret]

Ye. He's also standing in his dex photo

[jade ocean]

Y'know what now that I'm thinking about it

Ground Sloth Fossil Pokemon would be kinda sick

They aren't really a tropical thing but like

Fossil Pokemon are typically a bit out of place anyways

So it's fine

[forest egret]

https://tenor.com/view/walking-with-beasts-sabre-tooth-megatherium-smacking-smilodon-populator-gif-15401490451522452781

[jagged jewel]

Tuff

[lyric stratus]

U sure?

[jade ocean]

Well iirc they're only really found in the Americas so not exactly SEA

[lyric stratus]

Yeah I meant the tropical statement
Fossils usually arent big on where they found them
Yes I look at the TRex in France

[jade ocean]

I have no clue which parts of America exactly they come from tbf

So for all I know their fossils are in the tropical regions

[lyric stratus]

I looked at the tropical thing cuz Giant Ground sloths are known to spread Avocado seeds

I mean in the end I hope for cool fossil mons

[robust wren]

Fossils are overall one of my favorite Pokémon archetypes, even if I dislike the Galar ones.

Hell, half the reason I've been theorycrafting a Canada Pokémon region is because it's home to the Burgess Shale, which gives me so many fun Cambrian species to work with

If Gamefreak is intent on making the fossils make some degree of sense for the SEA area, I could see them going for Cambrian species for it as well, given they're all aquatic life

[lyric stratus]

Wouldnt it make more sense if based on the area to check what stuff lived there?
Like Germany for example has a ton of Marine animals als fossils

[olive panther]

Would be neat to have aquatic fossils that aren't actually water type, just to have some fun with it.

[robust wren]

That's kinda what Anorith and Lileep are

[olive panther]

I know, and I like it.

[royal dagger]

Hear me out. Dreepy ancestor

[jovial marlin]

A fish fossil that you go to the effort to revive and it’s just Relicanth

[royal dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/community-chan-allowed-ok-yes-gif-5022426

[finite totem]

what are the odds we get another flying lizard

[lime void]

Don’t do Gecqua dirty like that

[velvet forum]

Dont compare gecqua the goat to midizard

[fierce flax]

bbb

[lime void]

Mid is giving to much credit

[jovial marlin]

I hope Gecqua ends up being dual Poison.

[fresh pollen]

ok

[velvet forum]

ok

[fresh pollen]

ok

[velvet forum]

nice

[fresh pollen]

nice

[velvet forum]

https://tenor.com/view/can-i-get-uhhh-uh-uhh-uhhhh-uhhhhh-gif-16027964425850179471

[lime void]

https://tenor.com/view/can-i-get-uhhh-uh-uhh-uhhhh-uhhhhh-gif-16027964425850179471

[velvet forum]

[idle dove]

What Pokemon do you guys hope gets an evolution in Winds and Waves?
my top 3 are:
Parasect
Spinda
and Delibird

Honourable mention would be Magcargo

[undone sky]

If spinda gets an evolution I won't be happy

[idle dove]

Spinda's probably the most needing of an evolution. 360 bst is just not cutting it at all

[cosmic garden]

Goldeen (A female evolution to oppose Seaking)
Sudowoodo (Could be an evolution or a regional form but you can't tell me a palm tree sudowoodo wouldn't be awesome)
Luvdisc
Kabutops and Omastar
Pyukumuku

[cosmic garden]

it's evolution better have 720 BST

[idle dove]

I feel like Kabutops and Omastar would benefit more from Mega Evolutions

[cosmic garden]

yeah but let's be so for real they're not

their chance with ZA already passed

like Delibird COULD actually get an evolution, because they gave it a paradox form so like... they are AWARE of delibirds existence

[idle dove]

Maybe there'll be another game with Mega Evolution

[cunning sierra]

Tropius, Ledian and even thought I hate this Pokemon give me a Swoobat evolution based off the Manannagal

they can censor it to the high heavens somehow and it works for the regional inspiration

[robust wren]

Pokémon has referenced dark stuff like the futakuchi-onna, Kappa, and Crossroad Killing while retaining the E rating. They can manage a Manannangal, I imagine.

[cunning sierra]

I only say Swoobat because making one for the Zubat line just would look weird

and that's coming from a Swoobat hater

[lime void]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-lol-haha-hahahahaha-bender-gif-8717975687263405009

[amber monolith]

In the far future, we might get a SwSh remake

because like math and stuff, GS/HGSS, RS/ORAS, etc.

[royal dagger]

Ariados, Ledian, parasect, and I'd love to see an evolution for Lumineon

[fresh mango]

Why is there a whole channel dedicated to this game

Even though im extremely hyped since im a emerald fan ts makes no sense

[lime void]

It’s so that people can talk about the game without spoiling people

[jade ocean]

Talk about what? There's nothing there

(I'm sure this channel will be useful once the trailers start pouring in but as of rn there's not much to talk about)

[indigo mango]

i see this channel actively constantly

so seems there is enough to talk about

[cunning sierra]

It's only been 2 months since the first trailer and we're still speculating stuff here

We're desperate for another trailer lol

[lime void]

I’d be surprised if we got one before next year

[olive panther]

I wouldn't be shocked to see something near the end of the year, but not much before then.

[cunning sierra]

A small teaser sometime between now and June, another during a future Direct, big trailer towards the end of the year / early January and go from there I say

[olive panther]

I'd also love to see something for spinda.
Personally I think jynx would be a neat one to get a new evo, even if it's the mime route of a regional variant.

[robust wren]

Pokémon Worlds is a few months away, there could be something then

[cunning sierra]

Honestly, for the region inspiration Jynx could have a regional form based off the Mambabarang

Make it Bug/Psychic since their witches that use insects in rituals and magic

[lime void]

https://giphy.com/gifs/agrofro-x-to-doubt-K3KctQOKALWbPfzBac

[robust wren]

Rangda could also work as good inspiration for a Jynx variant, providing they don't wanna save that for a legendary

[cunning sierra]

or both. If they can make different variants of Tauros, then why not for Jynx

[fickle birch]

Spinda and Delibird are two of mine as well. I know Spinda has 360 because it's a funny circle joke, but they could just make the evolution have 540. 🙂

I'd love for Delibird to get multiple, honestly; a Santa evolution that's Ice/Flying, an elf that's Ice/Fairy, and a Krampus that's Ice/Dark. 😄

[lyric stratus]

Sadfrog and I made a Delibird Krampus evo once

Kramnicid

[rain silo]

Yo this is wicked!

[velvet forum]

#artwork

[lyric stratus]

I mean context wise it fits to what was talked about above

[velvet forum]

Theres different channels for a reason brotato

[lyric stratus]

Ofc but it always depends on context
Discussing possible evos and showing a artwork of one in here can go in both
But I like that you keep a eye open for things like that!

[velvet forum]

-# between you and me im just tryna prove my worthiness for watchog

[lyric stratus]

Yeah dont worry your doing good as it seems
I recommend always looking at context and extend
If I would send more fakemon to show off that have nothing to do with WiWa at all then send me away
(Saying me for a example)

[fickle birch]

Ooh this is pretty much exactly what I'd want out of a Krampus design. ❤️

Obviously wouldn't be an evolution, but I turned beta Delibird (+ a candy cane shiv) into a Mega design. 😄

[lyric stratus]

Lovely

[lyric stratus]

Mine is mostly based on
Krampus
Servant Rupert (hope google didnt f up the translation)
Scientists
"Eudyptes omnicidus" from Zoo Tycoon 2

The Scientist idea comes from the fictional penguin species from Zoo tycoon

[zinc turret]

That's such a cool inspiration from Zoo Tycoon 2, I love how you blended that with the festive Delibird vibe! The design turned out so creative."

[lyric stratus]

Thank you so much

[zinc turret]

没事哒宝宝

[velvet forum]

https://tenor.com/view/slomnir-pokemon-gen-x-gecqua-gecko-gif-15278327733892955014

[unborn cave]

https://tenor.com/uc7XWSLbGod.gif

[cunning sierra]

imagine if we did get a Browt evo like this lol

I'm still holding out hope for a proper Peacock or maybe a cool Pheasant

[unborn cave]

rhat would be peak

[robust wren]

We already got a showy bird evo with Quaquaval recently. I'm imagining more of a terror bird angle for Browt right now

[indigo mango]

you know what would be cool? if the bird starter was fighting type

we dont have that yet at all

[robust wren]

Also if the fire starter was Ghost

Cause the fans loved it when the Fire starters across 3 generations shared the same secondary type the last time it happened

[lime void]

Which is weird considering how much hate they got when they had 4 pure grass and 4 pure water starters

[jade ocean]

I mean, there were never 4 Pure Grasses or Waters in a row

Though there was 3 in a row for the latter

Wait nvm

I can't count to 3

That's on me

I'd rather get a Dual Type 3 times in a row than a monotype though

[lime void]

Doesn't matter if it was in a row or overall, it's still just as bad

[cloud shale]

Hisuian Decidueye:

[robust wren]

That's the joke

[cloud shale]

oh right because Quaquaval was fighting type I thought you meant only grass type bird whoops

I’m smart yeah

[forest egret]

Blaziken too

Lotta fighting type berds

[velvet forum]

Torchic

[indigo mango]

All exept the flightless bird Starter became fighting

Due to Hisui, Rowlet counts

[jade ocean]

The funniest thing with you saying this is that Hisuian Decidueye can actually fly, as can base Decidueye

[indigo mango]

I was talking about the literal penguin as the flightless bird

I counted rowlet as fighting due to Hisui

[jade ocean]

Well, even though they're based on birds that can fly, the entire Torchic and Quaxly line are flightless

[jovial marlin]

Maybe, but Quaquaval is the only one so far that can slay instead.

[indigo mango]

ye, i meant like inspired wise

like the one species who wouldnt be weird to start throwing fins isnt picked lul

not that i would want Impoleon to be fighting

[cunning sierra]

Quaquaval do be slaying.

[finite totem]

Browt will not fight confirmed

[forest egret]

Pacifist Browt

[indigo mango]

confirmed by your dad who has a uncle whos nephews best friends sister works at a coffee shop where she talks to people who are friends with people at Nintendo

[olive panther]

Browt does not fight. Browt stares at their opponents until they surrender.

[fading briar]

I hope game freak doesn't do another generic starter trio with Ghost fighting dark or something like that

Actually if they do the same thing after legends arceus with gen 9 copying the trio secondary typing

I can see Gecqua being Water Dragon

Browt is probably going to be Grass Fighting

And Fire Fairy Pombon?

[acoustic igloo]

As far back as Gen 5, I came up with a Fakémon region with a Grass/Psychic, Fire/Fighting, and Water/Ghost trio.

If I had my way when I was 8, we'd have gotten four Fire/Fighting starters in a row

(I also had an Electric/Dark Pikaclone, and fast forward to Gen 8...)

[olive panther]

Honestly, if our first fire/fairy is a starter I wouldn't be upset.

[olive panther]

Reminds me of an artist who made a fakemon region, had a fire/fighting starter, got a ton of flak for it, and just out of spite redrew every fire starter as a fighting type.

[cloud shale]

if Pombon isn’t fire fairy I will riot

[lime void]

And yet if he had made a pure grass or pure water starter no one would have cared, despite the fact that we’ve had those types on starters either just as often or more often depending on when that fakemon region was made

[jade ocean]

Based

[indigo mango]

was water type..ended water type. this is the base already. why would anyone care. was water type...ended up another duel type starter with the same typings despite the many options? thats lame as fuck

[lime void]

So what you’re telling me is that if Tepig started as a Fire/Fighting type, you wouldn’t care that we got 3 Fire/Fighting types?

[indigo mango]

no? cause then it be a duel type starter with the same seconary type as plenty fire starters

but nobody would care if the FIRE Starter stayed only a FIRE Starter

[lime void]

And Rillaboom and Intellion have the same type as plenty of other starters. So that should also be a problem

[olive panther]

The reasoning I have for why that's less of a thing is that two of those were pure monotype starter sets, so most people don't count it. Honestly I hate it when they make one of the trio monotype when the others are dual types.

[rustic salmon]

the bots are evolving

[lime void]

<@&306953740651462656>

[brazen jetty]

yep

[drifting sparrow]

Im taking pom bon

So fluffy!

[royal dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/browt-pokémon-winds-and-waves-pokémon-day-angry-bird-gif-14660576355177336106

[velvet forum]

#pokemon-winds-waves

both of yas!

[royal dagger]

That's where we is

[velvet forum]

Well go to it again!

https://tenor.com/view/gecko-gif-23795586

Gecqua>

[royal dagger]

I always pick the grass starter on my 1st playthrough of a new game

So yeah my 1st johto run was rough

[velvet forum]

Im usually a fire starter guy but i dont like pombon, looks to happy to be our average traumatized fire starter

[velvet forum]

<@&306953740651462656> ^

[novel atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/snom-pokemon-knife-threat-stab-gif-15740428

[velvet forum]

fastest snom on earth

[modest dragon]

Nah it's just Floette that does that

[junior charm]

It was 1 year ago bro

[noble ice]

I hope we see more dog like Pokémon in this game.
Like what if they make a Dalmatian like Pokémon and it’s a water and fire type.

[robust wren]

As a big dog person, I think Pombon is already enough for this region

Last generation introduced three dog Pokémon lines. We can cool our jets on that front for a bit.

[hazy knot]

Five thousand dogs

[cunning sierra]

I've mentioned this way back, but I really hope that Pombon becomes something like a St. Bernard. what do you do with a small dog Pokemon? make it a bigger breed

either that or to keep to a fluffy dog motif maybe a Samoyed

hell, considering there's asian / southeast asian inspiration we could get a Chow Chow. I say that because one of the big details about Pombon is their tongues hang out. Chow Chow noteably have blue / purplish tongues which were said to ward off spirits. I know we already had a Fire/Ghost starter with Skeledirge but they could double dip

[fallen mica]

I thought it would be cute to just keep the body under it small and just make it a giant floofball and progressively look angry. Make it look like a bomb. Cause of the name. It would be so cute

And from the name it sounds based on a pomeranian too. So I hope that is where it goes

[cunning sierra]

Giant floofball. So... Guard Point Chopper

yeah I can see that for Pombon lol

[fallen mica]

Yesssss I love the idea of it so much and hope that is the plan

[cunning sierra]

time will tell

I feel like Gecqua has the hardest one to figure out honestly. I had the idea of a very narcissistic kind of Pokemon in a weird way but there's a ton of potential regardless

[fallen mica]

I kinda hope they keep at least pombon on four legs... 😭

[cunning sierra]

we all do

but honestly, if the design is cool and not "Salazzle level" Pombon then I'm fine with it

[lime void]

They already double dipped with Fire/Ghost, cause of Hisuian Typhlosion

[cunning sierra]

ah right

[robust wren]

Yeah if Pombon becomes Ghost I wouldn't be surprised if it started getting the Emboar treatment.

It's popular right now, but so was Tepig when first revealed

[amber monolith]

imagine Pombon evolves and goes on two legs, then evolves again and becomes a canine Incineroar

[robust wren]

That would probably make some people just drop the series

[amber monolith]

not gonna be an issue for me

and I don’t mean because of the concept of a “canine Incineroar” because it was the starter I chose for Alola

it’s cuz I dropped the series at PLA

[acoustic igloo]

I hope we get a water cat next generation.

[twin nimbus]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

WHYYYYYYYYYYY

[spiral venture]

but this time fire ground

[tepid flame]

Ah yes

Camerupt 2.0

[jovial marlin]

I hope they do what they did in Sc/Vi with fuecoco where they made everyone think with the middle evo it’d be bipedal before putting it back on all fours

[tepid flame]

I'd like them to not do that bait and switch tbh

Just go full on all fours from the start

Pombon now is all fours from the jump so

[robust wren]

To be fair Camerupt has an atrocious statline. I highly doubt a fully evolved starter could be too much worse than it.

Fire/Ground is a type we've only seen in extremes so far- on one Pokémon who's useless and another that's broken. Would be interesting to see a Pokémon that's actually more balanced with it to see how useful it really is

[tepid flame]

I mean I feel like P-Groudon is broken in spite of it being a Fire/Ground

To me a powerful but balanced Fire/Ground would be a prime and proper fast attacker with blazing speeds and just really solid attacking options