pokemon-winds-waves

[prime trail]

there are so many befrending fictional creature games that comparing them seems dumb imo

• pokemon
• digimon
• Bakugan
• Yu-Gi-oh
• palworld
• DQMJ, DQMJ2, DQM Dark Prince
  and more :)

[ocean vapor]

It couldn't have been that hard to make lumiose into pie slices and give like 8 set designers an area to decorate

And then work with the set designers/quest makers to have it be fucking interactive

The world is so dead it's just sad

Also huge missed opportunity on not including AN UNDERGROUND CATACOMB?

[prime trail]

botw was so good when it came out
still is
totk used similar but improved mechanics
love those games

[ocean vapor]

YK LIKE THE PARIS CATACOMB.

[jade ocean]

I really don't get Nintendo going after Palworld at all since if the only similarity is fictional creatures then Gamefreak is still delivering on that front

[ocean vapor]

It's bc Palworld grew so quickly

Nintendo is scared

It's abt cornering a market

[jade ocean]

OK but like scared of what they're literally completely different genres of games

[ocean vapor]

None of the other creature capture games are as popular as palworld

[jade ocean]

I just cannot wrap my head around why tf Nintendo or anyone else compares them outside of just creature designs

[prime trail]

yeah
palworld is going to have overlap but wont steal the fans from pokemon
pokemon fans generally will always be pokemon fans

[ocean vapor]

For better or worse :/

[prime trail]

just cuz they will play a different game occasionally doesnt mean they dont like pokemon anymore

[jade ocean]

Anyways hopefully Gamefreak hiring more people is ACTUALLY going to have any effect

[prime trail]

also palworld glitches are still kinda fun (they patched one of my favorites in the recent update)
the one wherr you could explore the out of bounds in dungeons

[robust wren]

The 30th anniversary is fast approaching, and I feel like it's gonna set the stage for what to expect from the series going forward for a long while

[jade ocean]

Gen 10 has been under development for what feels like a lot longer than the previous games

[prime trail]

Most pokemon games tend to have their good areas of improvement
but end up lacking in other areas
the lacking parts is where it gets lazy.

[jade ocean]

This is true

[ocean vapor]

Yeah bc they take away mechanics people didn't want them to remove

Like, YK.. Set mode

Turning off exp all

Movement </3

[jade ocean]

The set mode thing can be very easily replicated by just not switching when given the chance so I don't really mind that

[ocean vapor]

Ride pokemon in usum was good I LIKED that

[jade ocean]

The not turning off exp all thing does kinda suck though

[ocean vapor]

Yeah but it's kind of annoying when it was a thing already

[robust wren]

Still needless tedium IMO

[jade ocean]

Especially if you're trying to EV train

Because oops now all my fucking Attack EVs are on my Special Attacker that happens to be in the party

That said EV training is still far easier in SV than any other game so like

[robust wren]

It would be like if repels were reimplemented without the "would you like to use another?" Prompt

[ocean vapor]

^ this

[jade ocean]

Yeah I get THAT

I just don't personally mind the tedium too much

Because it isn't THAT annoying

For me at least

But like Pokemon keeps taking 3 steps forward and 3 steps back it feels

[ocean vapor]

More like 5 steps back 😭

[jade ocean]

I probably wouldn't go that far as to say that

Maybe like 4 at most

[ocean vapor]

Okay fair but you get my point

I just feel like of they put just a little bit more time and money into the game, maybe some love, they'd be better

[jade ocean]

They definitely do put love into the game, it's just the part where they are given jack shit in terms of time so everything is unfinished

I dont know who the fuck is making these deadlines but can they like

Make them less stupid

[ocean vapor]

When they get time to put love, like with the indigo disk dlc.. Yea

[jade ocean]

Well they have because like the gap between SV and Gen 10 is proving to be a lot longer than the others

[ocean vapor]

But there's no love in lumiose

Nintendo needs to stop making game freak work on like 3 dif games at the same time gang

Let them focus on one

We can wait bro the majority of pokemon fans aren't kids anymore

If anything, major companies should look at the success of silk song and thing "huh. Maybe we should do that, it went well for them"

Team Cherry had 5 people so ofc the game took 6 years

But there's a lot of love in jt

[jade ocean]

I LOVE SILKSONG

[ocean vapor]

Genuine passion

And GOOD GAME

In the end product

If Nintendo gave gamefreak like maybe an extra year or half

The quality would improve so much

Because it wouldn't be a fucking speedrun dev simulator

[jade ocean]

Easily my favourite game from 2025 somehow they managed to exceed the expectations set by the wait

[ocean vapor]

For sure!

And that's an indie game, the hype lived for 6 whole years

The fans waited patiently and were rewarded

[jade ocean]

Anyways back to Pokemon, yeah no I think most people agree that they just need to be given more time to work on their games

And maybe not be made to make like 3 at once

[ocean vapor]

It wouldn't be hard for Nintendo to keep the hype alive if they actually gave us a chance to trust them

Not that Nintendo deserves our trust at this point

[jade ocean]

Woah who could've guessed making 3 games at the same time under a rushed deadline is bad

It would've never crossed my mind

That said the biggest draw for me are definitely the Pokemon themselves and Gamefreak's still delivering on that at least

And also the music but like I don't know if I could list a single nintendo game that has a bad OST

So that doesn't count

[ocean vapor]

Idk abt that, sure ZA doesn't have bad music but

There isnt

Enough of it

Walking around lumiose, the music loops over... And over... And over again

For hours

It gets grating on the nerves

[jade ocean]

That isn't an issue with the OST though is it?

[ocean vapor]

The reason botw worked with it's music is bc they gave intermissions, different tracks based on regions ect

[jade ocean]

That's more so an issue with the game

[ocean vapor]

No it kinda is

There isn't enough of the OST is what I'm saying

It wouldn't be hard to just have some variety

Swap between a few different tracks

But no we get the one :(

And it's not bad but even something good becomes annoying after a while

[jade ocean]

I was more so referring to the quality of the songs but yeah that makes sense now that I think about it

Of it not being enough

[ocean vapor]

But yeah don't get me wrong the tracks are good! I fucking love jacinthes theme

Too bad I only get to hear it like... 3 times and for like 20 seconds bc I wall her team bc the game is easy

I love team flare neuvous theme as well

[jade ocean]

"Pokemon game is easy" fork found in kitchen

[ocean vapor]

Yeah yeah I'd like it if there was an option for a bit more difficulties like level caps, not hard to implement

But that's not what we was talkin bout

[jade ocean]

But yeah I can see how the lumiose theme would get annoying

[robust wren]

To be fair the last time they implemented a hard mode they absolutely borked it

[jade ocean]

Though strangely though I do get easily annoyed by songs being repetitive it didn't really register for me here when playing

[ocean vapor]

Yeah bc it was locked behind a. Game version??? 😭and b. Beating the game normally

[jade ocean]

Not even that

[ocean vapor]

Wanna play easy mode? Too bad u have to unlock easy after beating normal!

[jade ocean]

To my knowledge the stats in hard mode are, uhh

Completely the same as if they were in normal mode

[ocean vapor]

You probably tuned it out I did the same

[jade ocean]

Despite the higher levels

[ocean vapor]

Yeah that's silly too

[jade ocean]

So the only differences are movesets and items

[robust wren]

The higher levels meant nothing but higher EXP yield, so in some ways it was easier

[ocean vapor]

It wouldn't be hard to just randomize the perfect ivs on the opposing pokemon

3 perfect ivs*

I'm not asking for improved ai I'm just asking for harder opponents

[jade ocean]

I'm just gonna say, there's a reason why every fangame and romhack is harder than every mainline game

[ocean vapor]

By far the hardest battle in za was literally the Pikachu bc it was ev/iv trained, held a good item and actually kinda reads you

And I like how opposing pokemon use protect/detect

[jade ocean]

I waited for it to use Dig and then used Dig myself to beat it

[ocean vapor]

Yeah same

But it ohkos any normal Pikachu even at lv 100

And it takes a few hits with dig before it goes down

[jade ocean]

Managed to do that first try because when I got Dig I realised "Oh no they're gonna have that too aren't they"

The AI actually waits for you to attack a lot

[ocean vapor]

Yeah if it wants to protect

[jade ocean]

Most noticeable when they have Protect or Detect

[ocean vapor]

Which is actually cool!

It's easy to read but

It's a detail I like of the za games

Game*

[jade ocean]

Tbh the hardest battle in all of mainline Pokemon is still that darned 6v8

[ocean vapor]

Oh true

And it's rlly dumb bc the game was super easy up until that point

And then just

"Pow 2 legendaries hah fuck you"

[jade ocean]

Fighting Origin Giratina with an omniboost after beating 6 other Pokemon and Altered Giratina isn't exactly easy

[jade ocean]

At least this was in the postgame though

[ocean vapor]

True but still

[jade ocean]

Could you imagine if they made such a massive difficulty spike in the main story

Haha

Ha

Ha....

I still first tried BDSP Cynthia though L bozo

[ocean vapor]

Snorttt

[finite totem]

BDSP was pretty lame but I love the exp all and how moddable it is

[prime trail]

bdsp was disappointing in many ways.
they kept the original flaws of diamond and pearl that got fixed in platinum
I liked legends arceus
if they did like the same models as that but made the world to scale it would have been cool
(I know they wanted to apease the people who sob and cry over wanting a 1 to 1 remake but honestly if technology advances in animation why not use that to make a higher quality experince idk lol)

[ocean vapor]

The exp all is what makes it so easy bc all the trainees are the same, and levels aren't increased to compensate for the surge of exp that the exp all gives you

So you just get super over leveled super easily

[prime trail]

until Cynthia XD

[ocean vapor]

Lolzz

[prime trail]

Honestly their dedication to keeping Cynthia as the scariest champion is admirable

[ocean vapor]

Truth

[finite totem]

That is probably why they shelf all past players but Red too

Like imagine playing B2W2 and champion was Hilbert with Reshiram instead

[storm bone]

Failed a random shiny because of nickit quest

[ocean vapor]

Damn </3

Anyone wanna trade me 6 male buneary's 🥰 doing a challenge run

[ocean vapor]

I'm gonna play legends za again what silly rules should I add
Heres the ones I got so far

• as soon as buneary is available I will only use lopunny
• I cannot attack mega evolved pokemon (yes u can beat the game by doing nothing)
• I can't use healing items in battle

Also need a supply of male buneary.. So if anyone's feeling like catching a few from route 6(? I think) and trading them to me I would be v happy

[jade ocean]

Good luck waiting for 50 years for a Staryu to do any meaningful damage

[ocean vapor]

There will be a LOT of waiting...

[storm bone]

you'll have to grind colorful screws to buy all the health plushes if you want to have a chance

[ocean vapor]

Nah just be dodging

Recall pokes and dodge

[daring finch]

got 2 shiny tinkatink while looking for morpeko

at the same time mind you

does anyone have 2 hyper kasib berries they could give me?

[unborn elm]

https://tenor.com/view/tinkatink-pokemon-horizons-pink-pokemon-pokemon-running-pokemon-animation-tinkaton-evolution-line-gif-16179327979576199689

[frank flax]

i dont have nintendo online but i do have the toilet mega

[unborn elm]

Hate how I instantly knew what pokemon u were talking about

[frank flax]

fr

[unborn elm]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-legends-za-mega-feraligatr-he-punching-he-chomping-punch-chomp-gif-1679845293678843883

[frank flax]

man looks like a literal toilet lol

[unborn elm]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-legends-za-mega-feraligatr-chomping-animation-biting-animation-mega-feraligatr-totodile-mask-stays-down-gif-6161277132356509749

Should’ve simply had it lower

Looks WAY better

[frank flax]

yeah

[unborn elm]

Like whyyyyy did they make it 90 degrees straaight

[frank flax]

bro what is that

[unborn elm]

Gif

Idk why it didn’t load

[frank flax]

it didnt look like a gif to me bro

also is my team good for grinding hyperspace?

[lime void]

Here’s what a toilet looks like since you’ve clearly never seen one before

[unborn elm]

Toilet seat

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1305706095255228479/1464639792808464404/IMG_1660.gif

[frank flax]

exactly

https://tenor.com/view/mega-feraligatr-pokemon-z-a-gif-602362974489381651

woah what are those arms

[unborn elm]

Now that I see it yea wtf happened to bros arms

[frank flax]

gimme a sec checking the dex

ehh just a goofy model nothings wrong

[runic peak]

Why did you send a picture of mega feraligatr

Ok so like ofc it does not just straight up look like a toilet

But you can probably see what people mean by it looking like that

[lime void]

No, I can’t. People are just being unnecessarily critical of mega designs

[runic peak]

Ig that's fair

Though it's not really unnecessary, they really didn't do mega feraligatr well

[lime void]

If you don’t personally like it, that’s fine. But there are better ways of criticizing its design than saying it looks like a toilet seat when it absolutely does not

[quiet frost]

i like mega feraligatr and i don't think there's anything actually wrong with the design itself. however i do agree with the criticism that the "hood" thing should be down most of the time and open when he attacks

[severe pier]

they somehow made him wicked cool in this tcg art

[quiet frost]

yeah, like there's nothing actually bad about the design, just the decisions made for the animation

[runic peak]

Yeah that's the bad thing

The tcg art of mega feraligatr is awesome

The hood being straight up is a noticeable thing that has a simple fix

Pokemon prob won't ever redesign an alr released pokemon but they could still lower the "hood" in the future it's like a typhlosion fire thing

[severe pier]

theres always Champions

that game could fix it

[ocean vapor]

I need 6 buneary someone gimmie 6 buneary...

@velvet forum help gimmie 6 buneary

[lime void]

Why do you need 6 Buneary?

[ocean vapor]

Challenge run </3

I'm gonna play legends za again what silly rules should I add
Heres the ones I got so far

• as soon as buneary is available I will only use lopunny
• I cannot attack mega evolved pokemon (yes u can beat the game by doing nothing)
• I can't use healing items in battle

[finite totem]

||Can you fail catches for side legendaries in dlc?||

I used my master ball on a Beldum since hardest stuff to catch base game were Beldum line and Skarmory 😭

[vocal charm]

Millie was my goat, so you’re gonna have a great time

[ocean vapor]

From boss battles? No

But the ones from special scans, hes

Yes*

So always save before throwing ball

[charred sage]

for special scans it's worth noting you can repeatedly throw balls at them until they're caught (just wait out their rage state) so losing a ball isn't that big of a deal unless it was your only one or you ran out of the special ball you wanted, same thing with ||marshadow at the end of its quest, but there's no hyperspace time limit for that one||

[ocean vapor]

If you knock a pokemon out and save quickly before it disappears, then throw a ball and it pops back out, all you have to do is reload the save and it's already in it's ko state

[daring finch]

Lets hope, tho I doubt since nintendo doesnt seem like they are all that involved in the community

[velvet forum]

i have two shiny

[ocean arch]

This render makes it like so tuff tho.

If it keep it's hood down would be top 10

[forest sable]

Shiny buneary

[runic peak]

What 😭

Do you mean megas like rogue megas where you have an ally to help right

[hazy knot]

ye, i think so

[runic peak]

yeah stuff like trainer megas wouldn't be possible

[runic peak]

well that sounds painful

[lime void]

Yeah there’s no skill involved in that, it’s just waiting for the game to beat itself for you

(I guess there’s the skill of avoiding the rouge mega’s attacks, but other then that…)

[arctic maple]

Can anyone help please? I’m trying to complete Mable’s request and the Pokédex so I rather kill two birds one stone I’ll trade a shalpha

[ocean vapor]

You just wait out their mega actually

[runic peak]

Oh

Forgot about that

[ocean vapor]

But yeah dodging the attacks and waiting 30 mins for lidas starmie to beat anything is gonna be a pain

[autumn willow]

if you’re ok waiting til tomorrow i can send one over

[arctic maple]

Ofc! Tysm!!

[autumn willow]

ok i’ll send you a friend request and message you tmw for the code

[ocean vapor]

I still need bunnies so if anyone doesn't mind catching some on route 6 and trading them to me </3 I'll let you have a shiny from my main account

Steelix is gone and the furfrou are off limits

[ocean vapor]

Gimme

[forest sable]

I mean I could go catch some

[ocean vapor]

YES YES PLEASE YES

[forest sable]

Kk

Sorry for the late reply

I’ll go get them now

[ocean vapor]

No worries! :3 thank you so much 😭

I'll give ya a shiny from my main

[forest sable]

I have 2

[forest sable]

What should the code be

[ocean vapor]

You can catch some in zone 6

[forest sable]

Just did

They were the only ones there

[ocean vapor]

Ok ok lemme get on my switch, u can choose a code while I do

Oh u only got 2? Wrird

Weird*

[forest sable]

K

[ocean vapor]

Theres usually lots of them there

[forest sable]

0302 1111

I only want the fennekin

[forest sable]

Wait don’t do that code

[ocean vapor]

Oh

Okay

[forest sable]

Some person is there

Called bernardo

[ocean vapor]

Yeah that's my alt

[forest sable]

Oh

[ocean vapor]

That's the one I need bunny on

[forest sable]

I’m stupid

[ocean vapor]

Then I'll swap to main and u get the fenne

[forest sable]

Kk

I’ll get back on that code

[ocean vapor]

But u only have 2? I need 6 😭

[forest sable]

I’ll try get more

When they reappear

[ocean vapor]

Okok ty, take your time 🥰

Ping me when ya ready!

[forest sable]

K

[forest sable]

Should I go get more rn?

[ocean vapor]

If you can!

[forest sable]

k

I’ll ping u in about 6 minutes

[ocean vapor]

Okayy!

[forest sable]

@ocean vapor

Got them

[ocean vapor]

Okay!

[forest sable]

Same code

[ocean vapor]

Same code?

Ya

Ty! Lemme get on my alt and give u that fenne

[forest sable]

K

Thx

[ocean vapor]

Ah shit my Nintendo online

[forest sable]

?

[ocean vapor]

It ran out 😭

[forest sable]

Oof

[ocean vapor]

I don't have any money ATM to get more fml

[forest sable]

its fjne

[ocean vapor]

I'll save that fennekin, lemme name it after u

[forest sable]

They were just regular buneary anyway

[ocean vapor]

Yaa but still I don't wanna leave you hanging xD

I should be able to get it in a few days

2 I thonk

[viscid adder]

I caught two alpha sableye at once

I named them Flotsam and Jetsam

They're sisters!

[ocean vapor]

Cuute!

[forest sable]

i bought so many luxury balls😭

i have 12 poke dollars to my name

[forest sable]

I dont need the fennekin

My Nintendo online expires tmr anyway

[ocean vapor]

Awh 😭 okay

[hallow ermine]

Decided to start up Legends Z-A again, right from the beginning

[storm bone]

So cute there is a quest that after you beat it allows you to tend pictures of your Pokemon asleep

[ocean vapor]

? Where

[storm bone]

If you have the dlc it’s near the beladonis agency

[ocean vapor]

OH RIGHT THAT ONE

[finite totem]

is that a location?

[storm bone]

the beladonis agency , you know the detective agency

[finite totem]

(searched and that french)

did you watch ange go rogue alive?=

[marble pollen]

I was thinking of getting Legends ZA for the switch 1 along with the dlc, is it worth it? Is shiny hunting in it good?

[finite totem]

on shiny hunting, it is good. Maybe too easy

[marble pollen]

Ahhh okay gotcha

Would you say it's worth getting?

[ocean vapor]

NO

Dont

Dont </3

[marble pollen]

Dang alright

[storm bone]

Got a shalpha charmander + litleo and then a regular shiny litleo

After exiting I found a shiny magikarp

[random aurora]

My sister made Urbain sound like Goofy

[vocal charm]

It’s a good $20 game with $2.99 DLC

[vocal charm]

I immediately took pictures of a sleeping darkrai

He sags forward and lets his arms droop

[marble pollen]

Is this like sarcasm or the actual prices?

[vocal charm]

If it were those prices, I would recommend it
Not at $80 though

[marble pollen]

Gawh damn

Pricey stuff

Maybe CDkeys will have it a lil cheaper

[vocal charm]

It’s like $50-60 for the base game and $29.99 for the DLC
The DLC is more expensive than Chs 1-4 of Deltarune
I dunno if indie games are undercharging or Triple-A games are overcharging
But

[ocean vapor]

Wronk it's 100 dollars for base game + dlc

And they're overcharging </3

[vocal charm]

Ah. I got it as a bundle with the Switch 2

[vocal charm]

I wonder how much more money they’d make if more people could afford it

[ocean vapor]

People can afford it but just refuse to buy it

Which honestly

I wish I could unbuy this shit

But Nintendo is one of the only game companies that don't offer refunds <3

Thanks nintendo

[vocal charm]

No, some people can’t afford a $100 purchase

[vocal charm]

Sell it to someone else? 🤔

[ocean vapor]

Well yeah no shit but I mean there's plenty of people who CAN and WONT

[vocal charm]

Kinda irrelevant to my comment, then

[ocean vapor]

Digital copy bc I can't get a physical one </3

[vocal charm]

Sell it anyway

Idk man

[unique karma]

So freaking close

[vocal charm]

You can do it!

How many shinies do you already have anyway?

[unique karma]

I already have over a box full

[vocal charm]

As expected 😌

[vocal charm]

Hunting litleos, were you?

[unique karma]

Ig lol, the only pokemon that seems to get me shinies traded is male shiny litleos

Even then it's not garunteed

[severe pier]

Currently Bench reseting for Shalpha Delibird and i go to check the alpha avalugg and it turns out to be shiny

[steel zealot]

Wasn’t it a thing in scavio that shinies couldn’t flee like this?

[charred sage]

I think they could still but it was far slower (though some species that could outright remove themselves like voltorb, sandygast, the puffs, and technically flutter mane can't do so if they're shiny) but yea seems like they got rid of that in ZA

from what I recall that made flutter mane one of the easiest shinies to get in scarlet since if you were in the bottom of area zero at daytime the non-shinies would unspawn themselves but the unshinies won't, so if you went down there with one of the two boosting sammiches, only shinies could spawn (at a very slow rate but still), oddly enogh I don't think violet had an equivalent to it in terms of day/night spawning since I don't recall FM's robo counterpart (iron juglis I think) had a day/night thing

[forest sable]

Ye but ig they changed it

[forest sable]

So u kinda just failed the shiny

Cuz once they flee, unless you saved, they’re gone forever

[steel zealot]

panicked a bit unfortunately...

the calorie counter though high didnt help

[forest sable]

Did u end up finding another?

[steel zealot]

nope

i got the shiny charm though, so hopefully ill find another one eventually

[storm bone]

Cute

[forest sable]

I’m tryna a shiny version of every eeveelution

Because it contributes to a living shiny Dex

[steel zealot]

Ok I’ll take this as compensation

[finite totem]

Which one will it evolve into

(also Garchomp has gender difference? Because I cant see it)

[ocean vapor]

The back fin!

Males have a notch in it

[finite totem]

Cool

[steel zealot]

left is shiny

[thorny belfry]

How could you even tell

[steel zealot]

1 because i know the difference.
2 because the picture of the gender difference by bunny further up usually doesnt have the shiny differences too.

[thorny belfry]

It was a joke because it's shiny is bad but... That works too

[forest sable]

[desert current]

Garchomps shiny is bad but like... Its actually really easy to tell, especially when they're side by side.

It was subtle back in Gen 4 and 5. Ironically Gen 6 actually made it easier to tell and its only gotten more noticeable each generation.

The problem now isn't so much that its too subtle, and that its just kinda boring.

[finite totem]

Fr shiny looks more dull

(thankfully Gengar and Garchomp Megas get some difference)

[ocean vapor]

The bright magenta I'm not a hyuuuge fan of IMO but that's me

[finite totem]

reminds me of fighters (esp boxers) in parodies

[vocal charm]

all the oversized eeveelution bases in the assets gallery are just alphas

[quiet frost]

i forced a shiny kirlia yesterday who is now a lv100 gardevoir

[normal valve]

Anyone anybody willing to help me out with my last trade evos I need for my dex?

Please

[brave jungle]

I approve 🔥

[ruby venture]

How do yall complete the dlc pokedex?

This is boring

[ocean vapor]

Ikr

Das why I didn't

Coz I'm baller

[ruby venture]

"We need more research on the wormholes."
look
no berries
go to buy berries
broke
use all the hyper space berries
nothing

[ocean vapor]

Fr

I hate how the effects on donuts aren't guaranteed

So fucking stupid

Pokemon is 1 step away from devolving into gambling slop istg

[ruby venture]

Im looking at my pokedex and there are just big holes in it

No g-farfetched so no sirfetched

Nothing between marrowak and capsakid

Nothing between Palosand and gimmighoul

[ocean vapor]

Yeah </3

[ruby venture]

You can tell this was rushed out the door quickly

Idk what i would expect from the biggest media property in the world

[ocean vapor]

Maybe something like

Decent

Halfway maybe

[ruby venture]

At minimum

My favorite is how they took things away that were in scarlet and violet

[ocean vapor]

Ikr

And now they want us to trust that the general 10 games are gonna be good

Yeah right bro

[ruby venture]

Honestly they have to be good

With them losing the patent lawsuit to palworld, this could be it

[ocean vapor]

I'm finna mod my switch and pirate that shit </3

For legal reasons this is a joke

[ocean vapor]

It'll certainly be it if they keep pumping out slop games every years

[ruby venture]

It wasn't even every year

It was 3 years between this and the last game

[ocean vapor]

They were developing za alongside sv

Or well, starting development during

[ruby venture]

I doubt that

[ocean vapor]

Rubs eyes

Otay

I'm goin to bes

[viscid adder]

the stories are true
the mega crabominable mission was hell

[charred sage]

yeaaaa. once you get one down it's kinda silly how dramatically easier it becomes when it's a 1v1 rather than a 1v2

but just getting to that point is rough

[viscid adder]

yeah it's a whole lot of running, bringing your pokemon out, getting them back in the ball, rinse and repeat

[desert current]

I used Chandelure and failed the first attempt because of earthquake, but the second attempt I got lucky and they kept trying using fighting moves on it.

Sometimes it really is just RNG, huh?

[ruby venture]

I uses the event charizard

[finite totem]

Arceus did the same thing too tho

Like there was no abilities

[left flower]

i like z-a a lot

[ocean vapor]

Unpopular opinion U ARE BANNEEDDD!!! /lh

[forest sable]

I like to think that shiny garchomp is just garchomp after rolling in the sand

[forest sable]

Unpopular opinion… OPINION???? It’s illegal to have an opinion these days. Ur BANNED

[ocean vapor]

KEK

[plucky escarp]

same tbh

[left flower]

Aw ok bye thennn

[runic peak]

how DARE you enjoy the game??????

[charred sage]

doesn't fit the "we need to not care and maybe we'll get gen 3-5 back" narrative smh smacked*

(ATM ZA is a B on my games tier list but that probably won't get demoted if I get too many B's like I did last year)

[robust wren]

ZA has plenty of flaws, but it's genuinely exhausting how many videos I've run into that are just "ZA is literally the absolute worst game ever to come out in 2025 and you should be ashamed of yourself for not seeing Nintendo and Gamefreak as worse than Satan for allowing it to happen"

[lime void]

And I bet you anything the main criticisms are “ThE gRaPhIcS aRe BaD” and “ThErE’s No VoIcE aCtInG”

[charred sage]

they so want that narrative to happen but it ain't

also yea it feels like 66% of the time it's some flavor of one of those two

or just a "I like 2d sprites over 3d models" on the graphics part

and we're like "you are a vocal minority. go play gens 1-5 and stop bothering us with your irrelevant screeches"

[robust wren]

I'm personally on team sprites, but I do appreciate how much more alive the models have been feeling with the reposing and retexturing they've been given. They're nowhere near as lifeless now as they were in gens 6-8.

[charred sage]

my brain just said "if you want voice acting go play masters EX" but then I remember I muted the voices at the start and haven't turned them on since so

yea people be like "gen 1-2 sprites had so much character!" and it's a very tiring argument to hear every time

[quiet frost]

"za made the fun of finding a shiny boring! they're so common now!" the only shinies that are common are the birds and the fuckass monkeys because they're goddamn everywhere

[robust wren]

"Gen 1 sprites had so much character!"
The character:

[charred sage]

I was gonna say pre-DLC that'd be fair but

with the donuts it's less "hunting" and more "gathering"

[quiet frost]

its so funny because the graphics themselves aren't even that bad

[charred sage]

but at the same time I think the only gen where shinies didn't have a notable thing to make them easier were gens 3 and 5

[lime void]

Then they’re going to complain that “Pokémon Masters has voice acting so why can’t the main series”

[quiet frost]

its a very stylized game. yes the windows are flat but no one is playing pokemon to look at windows

[charred sage]

I remember animal crossing getting this a lot between horizons and pocket camp lol

[quiet frost]

i think the way they could execute voice acting in a manageable way is doing it like modern zelda does

for basic dialogue its just like little "oh!" "hm..." type noises

[lime void]

Ah yes, the character of Gen 1 and 2, where you only speak to each major character once or twice

[quiet frost]

but then for full cutscenes they could have full voices

[charred sage]

but yea gen 2 had breeding being wonky, gen 4 had coin flip manips (though that required you to find a shiny normally first to find out your secret ID), gen 6 had chain fishing (and 4/6 both had radar), gen 7 had wormholes for a few species and gen 8 had dynamax adventures

[robust wren]

The only time I've really been especially annoyed at the lack of voice acting was the infamous Piers moment, maybe also with Ryme from ScarVi

[quiet frost]

because i do think some modern pokemon cutscenes really suffer from it

[charred sage]

and GO has community days

also yea Piers is usually the same one brought up every time

mostly because it's animated like there should be something there audio-wise

[lime void]

Thing is, there are 50 more important problems that need fixing before we should even be considering voice acting

[charred sage]

at this point I just take what we get

and just write off the english speaking fandom as a lost cause for interacting with in a positive manner

[robust wren]

If I had to list out my criticisms with ZA, they would be: Lumiose feels way too confined, the districts could stand to be way more distinct from one another, the DLC gameplay loop is tiring and I hate its time limit, and Urbain/Taunie genuinely annoy me

That being said, I really appreciate taking the battle system in a new direction, character customization is better now than it's ever been, the battle themes are all amazing, and plenty of the other characters are likeable.

||That scene of AZ in the DLC|| is one of the only times I've gotten emotional at a game recently

[charred sage]

yea Urbain/Taunie feels like a misfire but everything else feels good and they did at least go out for characterizations even if one of them is basically just Fanon Ione lol

I still like the turn-based system but at the same time I do agree that a lot of people want the series to move on from it between the two legends games experimenting with different kinds of gameplay

[robust wren]

I don't necessarily wanna move on from the turn based style, but I do appreciate having variety in gameplay and I appreciate the Legends games a lot for it

[charred sage]

the DLC loop I'm a bit torn on? I appreciate what it's going for but it does stretch on and outstay its welcome, especially if you're going for all of the sidequests or doing a lot of shiny hunting

since it feels like 3/5 of the berry flavors just stop being useful for anything you want to do past the main story so you have a huge pack of berries you're not gonna touch while burning through your sweet and sour berries quicker than you get them

[lime void]

I’d also rather not move on from turn based gameplay, but I would like them to introduce a new permanent mechanic, such as held items in Gen 2, abilities in Gen 3 and the physical/special split in Gen 4, instead of having half baked temporary gimmicks every generation

[quiet frost]

the issue with that is trying to figure out a mechanic you could add to the battle system that doesn't just feel like a gimmick or a barely noticeable change

[charred sage]

yea since we kinda just have it Solved at this point and the issue becomes not making things too complex

[quiet frost]

the battle system is pretty well developed at this point

all i can think of is an idea i had of certain types being powered up in specific areas

like if you're in a cave rock/ground moves get boosted or if you're using surf and are in the ocean water moves get boosted

but that also really only applies to the actual game and not really competitive

(albeit i dont really care too much for competitive)

[runic peak]

it actually motivates people like me to get shinies

[robust wren]

The only additions I can think of to the battle system that wouldn't feel like another gimmick would be stuff like triple types or more move slots. But those would probably have ripple effects on the meta that wouldn't be very good for its health

[runic peak]

Nobody is actually focusing on the walls when playing

[runic peak]

Tbf the cutscenes did feel pretty weird without voice acting but nothing major, I do wish we get voice acting in gen 10 tho

[charred sage]

yea masters technically added a Fifth Move last august but they're tied to tera specifically so I dunno

[runic peak]

like just voice acting for the cutscenes that's all

[charred sage]

unless you're in singles, then Stall happens

[runic peak]

-# i was about to correct you but then i realized

[quiet frost]

i think a fifth move slot would be interesting. a lot of mons suffer a lot from that 4-slot limit

also i think despite the awkward cutscenes the lack of voice acting does have a benefit in that you can just do your own voices for the characters

everyone ive ever seen do a voice for jacinthe gives her the goofiest most over-the-top french accent and that just feels correct

[charred sage]

I was thinking of a thing for doubles where Protect was a command rather than an actual move that was kind of in the "5-move slot" ballpark

but the 5th slot was always Protect with its usual limitations

[viscid adder]

I see they forgot scarlet and violet

[quiet frost]

thats funny because i didnt get a single shiny in scarvio

ESPECIALLY not when i was actively seeking them out

[forest sable]

That’s strange, I got many shinies without the shiny charm, I also failed LOTS of shinies

[charred sage]

also going back to scarlet for birthday mark hunting I may be a hypocrite that got spoiled on the Legends Shiny Noise lol

[quiet frost]

the shiny noise is essential for some shinies honestly 😭

[charred sage]

dang it!

first shiny growlithe and it got the uncommon mark rather than the destiny mark

[quiet frost]

like aint no way anyone's noticing shiny pichu without the twinkle

[charred sage]

gen 9 has a few shinies where you feel like they wouldn't have a shiny at all if the mechanic wasn't inherent to all mons

charcadet's probably being the most infamous

[quiet frost]

i like the charcadet family's shinies though .....

[unborn pewter]

I wish they changed more than just the eyes

[charred sage]

we all do lol

[unborn pewter]

Charcadet itself gets a pass ig because it has no counterpart to swap the everything else with

but c'mon a purple Armarouge and yellow Ceruledge would've been cool

[olive panther]

While I know it can't be acquired outside of set events, shiny goldengo also fills this spot.

[robust wren]

Shout out to Ogerpon whos only shiny feature is her face, which she covers with a mask 80% of the time

[charred sage]

||you can get shiny gholdengo in Legends since the gimmighouls in their special rift can be shiny but otherwise yea to both||

[jade ocean]

Tbf she doesn't cover it outside of battle I believe

[ocean vapor]

She doesn't, but still 😭

[charred sage]

I forget weren't we just talking about terapagos's anime non-battle form in here a day or two ago

[ocean vapor]

The cutie patootie?

[jade ocean]

But yeah no while Gen 9's roster of Pokemon is my favourite, I cannot deny that their shinies SUCK ASS

Ofc there's still good ones like Chi-Yu but still

[ocean vapor]

I like pawmi's coz it's poink

[charred sage]

yea that's a good one

[ocean vapor]

But pawmi kinda. Idk the line just ssucks

It's just pawmi but he stand </3

I like fuecoco's too (coz it's poink)

[jade ocean]

I also cannot deny that they are an overall unhealthy force in the meta because oh my god Gen 9 competitive is MISERABLE LMAO

[ocean vapor]

What was spidops's pre-evo called again

Tarantula right

[jade ocean]

Tarountula

[ocean vapor]

I feel bad for that lil guy

He was so cute

[jade ocean]

It's a round tarantula

[ocean vapor]

And then the evo ruined it so bad

[jade ocean]

Very simple name

[ocean vapor]

Spidops is :( so fucking ugly I'm sorry

[jade ocean]

The 6 Spidops fans are probably seething so hard rn

Well I guess that's a bit too harsh, there's probably like, 21

Maybe 22 idk

[ocean vapor]

I'M SORRY BUT TAROUNTULA WAS SO CUTE

[jade ocean]

Spidops is certainly one of the least popular Pokemon in Gen 9

[ocean vapor]

It's fine IG? But as tarountula's evo

It just

Like

What?

[robust wren]

It doesn't help that it has Lokix to compare to bug wise. That little Kamen Rider that also reigns as king of UU has a lot to love about it

[ocean vapor]

Yeah lokix is way cooler

Although it doesn't rlly give Pokemon vibes? Idk 😭

Not my fave bug but we fine

[jade ocean]

This makes me realise how many Pokemon you could call "King of UU"

Like usually people use it to describe Lokix but like

Latios? 100% male

Fezandipiti? 100% male

Thundurus? 100% male

Slowking? Well, it has king in its name, lose enough

[ocean vapor]

Isnt fezandipiti genderless?

[jade ocean]

Including Lokix, that's 5/8 of the top 8

[charred sage]

wait is fez good in UU?

[jade ocean]

The Loyal 3 are all Male-Only

[charred sage]

also Fez is actually male yea, just checked it in-game

[ocean vapor]

Oh rlly? I mean slay

[jade ocean]

The other 3 are Skarmory, Weavile and Excadrill

[charred sage]

oh apparently I tried for destiny mark vulpix last year but didn't get it

[jade ocean]

Anyways Latios is the best Pokemon in Gen 9 UU despite Lokix being in the tier, that's my GOAT

[charred sage]

nice nice

[jade ocean]

Oh right Legends ZA uhh

I wonder how well Mega Magearna will do in Ubers

[charred sage]

I forget where do you check the usage stats again?

[jade ocean]

I'm more so looking at the VR than usage

[charred sage]

I was gonna say I just opened that thread and latios is the sole s-rank yea

I'm surprised revaroom is that high dang

[jade ocean]

I mean it won't be OU, that much is obvious

And there's no point complaining about it being broken for OU

[charred sage]

I dunno why that got me just at the bottom of the VR thread just [attatched Jpeg tyranitar]

[jade ocean]

That's redundant, as base Mag is already broken

But Base Mag is also utter dogshit in Ubers

[charred sage]

I was gonna say yea base mag was already stronk with like Best Type In The Game and a passive snowballing ability

ah so one of them BLUber mons

[jade ocean]

After all, it has to contend with Pokemon like Ho-Oh or Kyogre shutting it down HARD

[charred sage]

(BLU is what I call "too strong for OU but too weak for ubers")

I have two unofficial tier names which is that and "Unusable" for pokemon that aren't viable even when you go all the way to ZU

[jade ocean]

And it'll probably also have to deal with Pdon wherever it finds itself

Not to mention NDM, Eternatus or Ferrothorn

[viscid adder]

mega scovillain reminds me a lot of bowser from the 90s super mario bros movie.

[daring finch]

you remind me of bowser from the 90s super mario bros movie

[quiet frost]

i mean he is scoVILLAIN.....

i'm amazed that multi-head pokemon arent listed as genderless tbh

[velvet forum]

unpopular opinion but i love this mega honestly

[viscid adder]

yeah it's growing on me

the shiny is also really good too

another example of the shiny being better than the original, especially on a mega

[velvet forum]

I think people are always too quick to hate on something

[quiet frost]

oh uh yesterday i hunted and succeeded in obtaining shiny latias

they also made the shiny mega a slightly less disgusting shade of green? im okay looking at her like that now

[lime void]

My problem with Mega Scovillan is that it should’ve gotten a regular evolution instead

[robust wren]

My problem with Mega Scovillain is that its just Scovillain with pointy stuff slapped on it

[ruby venture]

My problem with mega scovillain is that its stats suck

[lime void]

Yeah the pepper tie does look a little silly

[quiet frost]

see but thats the point i fear

scovillain is meant to be a little goofy

[runic peak]

hopefully it gets a cool ability

[hazy knot]

yeah, it’s my favorite new mega design :(

[runic peak]

Otherwise rip scovillain you failed grass/fire mon, we have the cute legendary ig

https://tenor.com/view/ogerpon-pokemon-teal-mask-dlc-gif-5879253822303370158

[charred sage]

slowly rotating ogrepon

[quiet frost]

ogerpon is so silly and cute i wanna pinch her cheeks

[ruby venture]

I wanna send that ou ruining menace to hell where she belongs

[quiet frost]

be nice to her. its not her fault arceus blessed her with a stat spread like that

[daring finch]

I want yellow boy

[charred sage]

all I can think of is points at cornerstone mask* "you can stay"

[ruby venture]

*teal mask

[daring finch]

*Yamask

[ember mesa]

No alphas sadly

[plucky escarp]

jeez o.o

[ember mesa]

Didn't even try hard the area :o but I had 3 spawns right next to me!

[finite totem]

it isnt even bad

does have a proper learnsat for that spread

(also it pretty much is worst bst among fully evolved legendaries)

[quiet frost]

and yet i use a sparkling power level 3 and i get the forced shiny and nothing else

[ember mesa]

You can have an Eevee if u want!

[quiet frost]

i dont have online so i cant do trades that arent local 💔

[ember mesa]

Aw :o if u were in Belgium it could be local

[ruby venture]

Anyone got a mudkip to trade?

[austere spruce]

Hi

[forest sable]

DLC?

[ember mesa]

Yep!

[forest sable]

Nice

I’ve hunted in wildzone 19 for eevees and it hurts me

[ember mesa]

Would you like an Eevee?

[forest sable]

No thx

I’m tryna get a living shiny Dex

Which means no freebies

[ember mesa]

^•^ oki

Still deciding if I want to shiny hunt one of the high scans..

[fickle birch]

With a third, yellow head. 🙂

[daring finch]

How did I do the save set up for donut resets again?

[ocean vapor]

Use a pokecenter/ teleport

[daring finch]

can you be a little bit more specific please?

[ocean vapor]

Thats it xD you use a pokecenter or teleport, and it auto saves

Then when you wanna return to that auto save, you input x + b + up if I remember correctly

[brittle pollen]

Anyone got a Escavalier they can trade me on Pokemon shield (non shiny)

[lime void]

#other-pokemon-games

[viscid adder]

The amount of times I had to go to that goddamn bench just to find a hyperspace portal with porygon in it is immense... and still counting

you know what? screw it. gonna get a porygon via trade

screw the screw it, the link trade bros were assholes

if anyone has any porygons, please let me know

[viscid adder]

nvm
got what I needed

[carmine heath]

that pretty much summed up my experience with sword and shield trades lol

[silk kiln]

before I spend the money I was hoping to get some feedback on how za plays on the switch over switch 2, obviously it is less optimized but is it annoyingly slow/laggy/crashy?

[robust wren]

It crashed on me once on Switch and that was it

[forest sable]

Never had a problem

[silk kiln]

Coolio thanks

[daring finch]

Shiny mudkip obtained

[ruby venture]

Does anyone have any alternatives to pokemon?

Za isn't fun. comp isn't fun. Another infinite fusion playthough isn't fun

[storm bone]

shin megami tensei?

[ruby venture]

What's that?

[ruby venture]

Heard the name but nothing else

[robust wren]

Pokémon's edgy older brother with gods and demons throughout all cultures with a conflict between law and chaos

Will kick your ass

[ruby venture]

How's the gameplay?

Cause youre starting to lose me

[storm bone]

anyways I've been trying to shunt latias (the blue one) and it's a bit painful

it's the oe nwhere you need to leave the game between each encounters

[robust wren]

Pretty solid overall. Lots of gameplay customization with you basically being able to build your MC to any sort of role you want them to

Amazing character designs and music

[ruby venture]

Idc about designs and I play muted so that doesnt help

[ruby venture]

Also that doesnt explain anything?

[storm bone]

I thnk the convo should be moved to #off-topic

[ruby venture]

Alright

See yoy there

[prisma olive]

I have ev trained my Zygarde, Zeraora, Rayquaza, and Mewtwo... the four shiny Pokémon I've been planning to put in Za... that will forever have Pokérus in their code... to be powerful in Za... Zygarde the mixed attacker, Zeraora and Rayquaza the brute speed force, and Mewtwo the special brute speed attacker.

[forest sable]

Shalpha goomy sweeps

[tired drum]

Just beat my game 😎 working on dex proper now

[viscid adder]

I accidentally threw my master ball to a machamp

[lime void]

https://tenor.com/view/smg4-smg4skill-issue-skill-issue-smg4mario-smg4skill-gif-26104493

[forest sable]

Do you have a backup save?

[viscid adder]

Luckily I turning lemons into lemonade by making this Machamp a massive wrecker

And I gave her the move metronome and an expert belt

[forest sable]

Is the machamp atleast a shiny 😭

[viscid adder]

It was an accidental chuck.
...so no.

[forest sable]

Oh

I used a master ball on an alpha goomy

[viscid adder]

Might as well grind through the infinity royale to get it

[forest sable]

but it was shiny

so I’m never evolving it

It’s staying a shalpha goomy

[lime void]

Valid

[forest sable]

So now I have two

[viscid adder]

I was gonna save it for an alpha metagross because the beldum line's catch rate is LEGENDARILY ass.

[forest sable]

ones in a friend ball and the other in a master ball

[forest sable]

I still have 2 master balls

[viscid adder]

where did you get those

[forest sable]

Isn’t the catch rate like 3x easier if a shalpha is knocked out

[forest sable]

ZA Royale

[viscid adder]

damn you're lucky
I better gets to grindin'

[lime void]

You can get more from the infinite Z-A royale (rarely)

[forest sable]

I just did them while I needed the battles

So I have a bunch of unique pokeballs and way too much exp candy

[charred sage]

late but I wonder if the best way to preserve a master ball in this game is probably to just throw it on the ground and let the ball collector keep it in storage lol

[velvet forum]

probably

[shrewd onyx]

I can finally enter here. Got access to the game a week ago. Just caught the Rouge Mega Camerupt. Slowly getting there. I missed the end of the free mega charizard mystery gift by a full week which is a bummer.

Ended on the 19th I started on the 25th*

[shrewd onyx]

That's good to know.

[ocean vapor]

You can buy the mega charizardite x and y stones later on ^^

[hazy geyser]

As of today, they are in the evolution stone shop iirc

[lime void]

nukes the evolution stone shop

[forest sable]

Could I force a charizatd to rogue mega evolve?

And then force it to drop a charazardite

[ocean vapor]

No.. You can just buy it in the stone shop later on in the story

Actually I think u can buy it pretty early

As soon as u get a starter from the prof

[olive panther]

This brings up so many questions. Both of the ethics and of the formation of mega stones in general.

[forest sable]

I meant if the story was different

And any pokemon could rogue mega

cuz rogue megas drop stones

[forest sable]

If any rogue mega drops stones

then if I could force any pokemon (with a mega)

Would they drop stones and save me 400k poke dollars

Cuz if dark weavile’s nuked the stones shop

Idk where else ima get my charizardites

[olive panther]

Well, the stone shop's also where they keep the fossils. So we're in trouble either way.

[finite totem]

I suppose the gen 10 talks would come here when something officially drops

Anyways Jigglypuff confirmed to be in the next game

(or on a track)

in other news, a spider was found on a tree

[charred sage]

nvm thought that was a leak disregard my deleted post

[robust wren]

February 8, huh? I figured it would be the 27th

[finite totem]

what deleted post 😃

[robust wren]

Oh. It's because sportsball.

[finite totem]

I think americans hate it when their commercialbowl is interrupted by sport

[robust wren]

TBF there was legitimate hype behind superbowl commercials a while ago for how off the wall they could get

Then corporations did as corporations do and those became lamer and lamer

[indigo mango]

yeah thats how you shiny hunt in the game, reloading an area

[forest sable]

bruh

i’m tryna do my dlc story and i get jumped by grisham and terragon

I Have 3 pokemon

and they’re all shiny goomy

[ocean vapor]

Based

[olive panther]

And for butter of all things!

[forest sable]

It’s two grown men fighting two children over butter

[forest sable]

My three squishy bois cleared easily

[velvet forum]

noice

[velvet forum]

SHALPHA FROAKIE

[velvet forum]

two new shalphas

@ocean vapor

[ocean vapor]

Gimje

[shrewd onyx]

Thats nice to know thanks. :)

I was more sad that I missed a mystery gift since they normally have good IVs. But I ended up finding a different fire type to use for my team until I complete story, thanks again. :)

[shrewd onyx]

Lol

[shrewd onyx]

Where in the city did you go to get the porygon? :)

[shrewd onyx]

Guess ill google like most do.

[velvet forum]

DLC

[shrewd onyx]

Dang. Thanks for letting me know :3

[lime void]

I can't believe they didn't rag on Mega Starmie

[runic peak]

https://youtu.be/mi5nsvhiipQ?si=KgS8BWvUd4_uGRN4

[finite totem]

Sportsball today(?), let's have our super important announcement of a new tcg pack and toys!

(and maybe gen 10)

So what do we think, Peta something Charizard, Kilo something Charizard or still Mega Charizard

[charred sage]

it took me a sec to realize you meant Peta as a unit of measure and not "oh no PETA did something dumb again with pokemon didn't they"

that being said I could see Ultra Charizard (Hyper Charizard in japan) for some reason lol

[desert current]

Hot take, but the new Megas are overhated.

[forest sable]

I like the new megas

[robust wren]

There's a lot of good Megas and a lot of bad Megas.

Overall I would say they lean towards good though

Stuff like Mega Pyroar absolutely needed more time on the drawing board

[indigo mango]

i dont mind pyroar, like its mane doing the thing

but i do wish it had a different form per gender

like sure the mega is a mix of both but its just so much more male

which like female Pyroar isnt good looking but even so its still kinda lame

[opaque geyser]

tbf i do battles more often so most of my issue with pyroar comes from the stats which dont really do much

like in a game without abilities there's not a whole lot going on compared to other new megas

[robust wren]

Pyroar always felt like one of the most slapdash Pokémon in the series to me, and the Mega only furthered that

[lime void]

My main issue with the new megas is that quite a few of them should’ve gotten regular evolutions instead

Considering that mega evolution most likely won’t be in any main series game that doesn’t take place in Kalos

[terse locust]

i think just there were different mons that deserved one more

like multiple kalos mons

talonflame, pangoro, gogoat, heliolisk

[robust wren]

Not even, it was a bunch of celebrities talking about what their favorite Pokémon was

[robust wren]

And of course 4 out of 6 were Kanto lol

[olive panther]

I mean, we had one game outside of Kalos with megas, ORAS.

But I do see your point on it.

[jade ocean]

I'd like to add Goodra to this list

It's such a damn shame that Goodra is about as good, perhaps slightly worse, than Dragalge is

Especially when the former is the Pseudo Legendary

"Oh but it recently got Hisuian Goodra" Base Goodra's still very lacking

And even if H-Goodra is actually a pretty decent Pokemon, it is still the 2nd worst Pseudo Legend in battle

Not to mention how it being a Hisuian Form typically just makes it harder to put into games

Because like this mf was supposed to go extinct hundreds of years ago

[robust wren]

Goodra is why I refuse to use Gamefreak's official terminology for pseudo legends, that being "Powerhouse Pokemon," cause that doesn't describe Goodra at all

Also cause it's just a lame description in general

[jade ocean]

Tbh I'm not a fan of either term

Like, "Fake Legendary" is a pretty misleading term

There's really 0 way to mistake these Pokemon for legendaries at all

Unlike something like Rotom or Spiritomb in Gen 4 or Volcarona in Gen 5 which I'd say are far easier to mistake for legendaries, and fit the description "Pseudo Legendary" better

With that said, Spiritomb's also a massive fail of a Pokemon

[opaque geyser]

heavy on this, mega scovillain should've just been a regular pokemon he really could've done with it

[fickle birch]

It also should have had a third, yellow head rather than just getting a tie and some spikes. 😅

[runic peak]

scovillain evolves from a stone and iirc stone evo pokemon don't evolve further

tho ig there could be a first time of anything

[lime void]

I don’t see any reason why stone evolutions can’t evolve further, especially since they’ve broken precedents before

[charred sage]

which if we're doing that then I don't see why we can't give an evo to something with a mega considering something similar happened with duraludon and its gigantamax form

[runic peak]

gigantamax is different, there already were pokemon that could evolve further but had a gmax form before duraludon (pikachu eevee meowth)

mega evolution is just for fully evolved pokemon

[charred sage]

at this point I feel like anything goes

[lime void]

The entire point of mega evolution is that it allows Pokémon to evolve further then they would normally be able to. So, by definition, if a Pokémon has a mega evolution, it can’t evolve further normally

[charred sage]

I disagree, but I'm not in the mood to come up with a reason why

tbh between here and OPG chat I feel like there's too much complaining about things for my taste so I'm debating on just leaving the discord since I'm not a fan of the negativity, especially since I haven't played IF since june of last year

actually it's not too hard to come back here if need be so yea I'm gonna head out. fun times but I gotta start thinking more positively about things in general.

[plucky escarp]

well that was a rollercoaster

[fickle birch]

If you count Dipplin's Syrupy Apple as an evolution stone, it now counts as an example of bucking that trend. 🙂

[runic peak]

I wouldn't consider an apple a stone but like dark weavile said there's not a reason to why stone evo mons couldn't evolve further

[velvet forum]

the apple works literally the same way so id consider it to be applicable

[runic peak]

a way scovillain could get something is a regional form that has smth good or evolves but scovillain's cool for being the only non legendary grass fire mon so a regional form would take that away

[velvet forum]

Then you also got galarian slowpoke who can evolve into two separate evolutions

which is the only mon that can do so with an item

[velvet forum]

it dosent need an evo anyways

[runic peak]

yeah true (meant to reply to the messages above)

nah scovillain should've gotten an evo

[velvet forum]

The thing is some mons dont get an evo bc theres not much you could add to a third evolution on some mons via design

wtf scovillain gonna get a third head and a longer body?

It would just be pointless

[runic peak]

dw guys mega scovillain is gonna have like

the best ability in the game and will break the meta

[velvet forum]

they should give mega emboar huge power

[runic peak]

that would be cool though

[velvet forum]

Idk i think scovillain is cool but giving it a third evo that just does the same thing as the first would be weird

[runic peak]

don't have anything on the top of my head but pretty sure there's a bunch of pokemon that do that

[velvet forum]

hydreigon

[runic peak]

wait i'm cooking

regional capsakid of some type idk that evolves into a scovillain with another cool unused type combination

[jade ocean]

Just to make sure, this is a joke, right?

[runic peak]

the only new mega that's getting huge/pure power is starmie btw

[jade ocean]

Even ignoring that, Huge Power Mega Emboar would be

Hmm

Agony

I don't quite think a physical attacker that one shots Great Tusk in a singular neutral move sounds fun to fight

[runic peak]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokémon-emboar-legends-za-pokemon-memes-gif-4920151184598326161

[fickle birch]

It's not a literal stone, but the gameplay mechanic is identical. Stones just work by "if use x item, evolve", so anything like the Charcadet armours and Applin's apples use the same evolution type. 😅

Burn Heal was mistakenly classed as a Moon Stone for the Moon Balls in Gen II because the wrong item ID was used (and therefore they didn't work, because no Pokémon evolves from the Burn Heal), for example. 😂

[runic peak]

oh didn't know that lol

again there's not a reason to why stone mons wouldn't evolve further so it doesn't really matter

[opaque geyser]

mega scovillian for orichalcum pulse 2026 make it happen game freak

[jade ocean]

Honestly, it keeping Chlorophyll would be better

Because tf is it gonna do with Orichalcum Pulse when it's slow and frail?

[opaque geyser]

yeah you're highkey right i was gonna make a joke abt an ability setting sun and boosting stuff then thought wait that's already a thing

[jade ocean]

Honestly if it kept Chlorophyll it'd probably see more OU usage than most

I mean, at the end of the day, it has 2 types primed to abuse Sun

And it's the only Mega that is specific to the Sun Team Archetype

If you feel like bringing up Mega Zard Y, try using it as your sun setter and tell me how that goes

[opaque geyser]

yeah zard Y works a lot better if it's just fueling itself, without a heat rock or even as the one sun setter on a team it's not gonna do great for that

[jade ocean]

The main issue with Mega Scovillain is the very harsh competition even when considering there's no competition for the Mega Slot

Chlorophyll Grasses (Venusaur, most prevalently) and Protosynthesis Pokemon (Especially Walking Wake), among others

There's not exactly a shortage of Pokemon that can stop it either

Zard Y is an especially cruel case

As it resists both STABs and is also immune to Stomping Tantrum

Oh

And Moltres + the Lati Twins too

A Pokemon that can handle all of these listed Pokemon (albeit, you won't want to switch it into a Lati Twin) is Walking Wake

Who can easily spec into Booster Speed without cutting down on SpA much and threaten all of these with Specs Hydro Steams and Draco Meteors

[indigo mango]

oh thats annoying

all fights are locked to 200?

man i spend to long trying to get the Kyorge Donut above lvl103

got to 105 and all that effort useles

[opaque geyser]

sometimes i forget people do the dlc with pokemon that aren't level 100 so theres a use for those 100+ donuts 😭

[opaque geyser]

even if u look at the legends za battle system where a lot of lesser used mons can shine with less emphasis on speed, it can be hard to use mega scovillain with the commitment to using your plus meter while it isn't going to be one-shotting much

[jade ocean]

I'm looking at the context of more normal PVP because ZA's battle system makes my head hurt trying to understand it competitively

[opaque geyser]

who knows though maybe they'll give it desolate scovilland as an ability and it'll be the main sun setter for years to come

[jade ocean]

Glaceon being an actually great Pokemon is still a nigh-incomprehensible concept to me

[opaque geyser]

yeah having a good attacking stat in a world where mega garchomp sees more use does wonders for you 😭

[indigo mango]

seems wild

they give too many candies

i have over 300 of every size

i can just decide on a new mon to use anytime cause getting them to 100 takes no time

[opaque geyser]

having that many after the fact feels like a nice reward for finishing main game + dlc tbf, makes building new mons a lot easier

[indigo mango]

i mean dont need to make a team ocne im done with the game lul

appearntly garchomp Z is also a reward after finishing the DLC..which is like wild

[jade ocean]

To my knowledge, this is false

Mega Garchomp Z is a leak

And is only supposed to be known of when announced

So uhh

Let's keep conversation around it a bit lower, yeah?

It's some kind of mystery gift event, presumably

Or maybe through PVP

Whatever it is, for all intensive purposes, it currently doesn't exist

[indigo mango]

wild

i mean i saw people with it ingame so i guessed its in

[jade ocean]

It's a little thing called hacking

[indigo mango]

watching mandjtv and they where told the last mega they are missing is found after doing the trio...and that its not Zerorora

[jade ocean]

Mega Magearna is also post Mega Ray

[indigo mango]

gotcha

[jade ocean]

And I think Lucario Z is, too?

[indigo mango]

totally forgot about that one

Lucario Z didnt count cause it was already in his dex

but ye was megarne then

[jade ocean]

I'd make a joke that about these being just Mythical Megas and then Lucario

But Lucario Z's stats are fucking stupid

So it's valid

I guess the main advantages Base Mega Lucario has are Adaptability and Lucario just having a better physical movepool

But for all we know Lucario Z is gonna get some ultra stupid ability

[velvet forum]

i cant believe i got shalpha frog before the shalpha chicken

[viscid adder]

The shiny mareep mission is hell

[viscid adder]

ngl the soccer having ZYGARDE as his main is pretty funny and badass
Like hell yeah my favorite dude is the peacekeeper of planet earth made up of a bunch of little doods

[wary moon]

Just finished Starmie, now grinding out evolutions and research tasks and side things.

I only need 4 more colored screws

[olive panther]

Those last handful are a pain. I'm pretty sure there's some only available post-game, but could be wrong.

[delicate delta]

hello

[wary moon]

Hey guys.

Anyone on?

Anyone know anything about Pumpkaboo? I'm doing that jumbo quest, but the alpha Banette and Gourgeist make it difficult to get a good look.

[robust wren]

Don't look. Listen. Jumbo Pumpkaboo has a different, deeper sounding cry.

[wary moon]

I will trade a shiny dratini just to not have to bother

If anyone has jumbo pumpkaboo, I will trade a pink noodle

[amber monolith]

[wary moon]

Bro, I can't hear the cries over everything else.

Too many sounds

I can't determine thrm. Plus I keep dying to alphas

[opaque geyser]

if u care less for solid advice and want to brute force it i just kept travelling until i saw any that looked bigger than usual then caught them and checked the size to see if they're jumbo

[indigo mango]

wish the game told ya the size tho

[finite totem]

well it does by stats

pumpkaboo gets more hp and less speed by level

[opal gull]

you shouldnt need to pull up some type fo calculator to figure out which mon ya have

[rustic salmon]

how do i cope with quagsire not recieving a mega evolution

[robust wren]

Remind yourself that at least it didn't get the Mega Starmie treatment

[rustic salmon]

thank you

[olive panther]

Don't know if this help, but quagsire received a brother in Paldea.

[rustic salmon]

ik and i love him

[olive panther]

As do I.

[robust wren]

In the words of TBSkyEN, "if you don't like clodsire, we can't be friends."

Actually he said it about Wooper, but let's be real the sentiment carries across the whole line

[rustic salmon]

truer spoken have never been words.

[olive panther]

The whole bunch are just sweet little guys. Not a bad thought behind those eyes.

[rustic salmon]

the things are pure of heart by default

[forest sable]

In your opinion is wooper or the quag better

[forest sable]

Cuz if you think quag, you have to throw hands with shiny Catherine

Lwk I like clodsire

And spheal

And I’m sad that spheal and clodsire weren’t in the game

And don’t get a mega

Like my boy spheal should have a 600 bst mega fr fr

[finite totem]

Pocket belt monster day was 27/2 right?

[wary moon]

I have an update. I finished the quest and just found an alpha jumbo pumpkaboo. I need help trading so I don't lose it

[odd tapir]

Since the dlc adds almost everything via rift, the only shiny truly worth hunting is shiny jumbo alpha pumpkaboo. Rift pumpkaboo are always small from what I've seen.

[wary moon]

I'm not buying the dlc until I Finish the main game.

But I just need help trading, because I don't want to lose this rare alpha

[odd tapir]

I'd help but I just left for work.

[wary moon]

Dang.

[jade ocean]

Still better than Malamar though

My FRAUD Malamar

[runic peak]

malamar finally stops mind controlling people 🙏

[lime void]

https://tenor.com/view/malamar-inkay-pokemon-pokemon-xy-pokemon-legends-gif-16116993803971970373

[runic peak]

Nvm

[lime void]

In all seriousness though, Malamar really should’ve gotten a regular evolution

[runic peak]

what would a malamar evolution be like

first squid turns into upside down squid

oh right

horizontal squid

[lime void]

I picture some kind of squid that’s constantly turning its body, and it uses that in combination with the flashing lights on its body to enhance its brainwashing powers

Regardless of design though, the reason I say it needed an evolution is because of its stats. Malamar’s bst is less than 500, and its highest stat is only 90

And mega evolution likely isn’t going to be in any main series game that doesn’t take place in Kalos, so Malamar is going to continue to suck in most mainline games

And since it got a form that allows Pokémon to evolve further then they would normally be able to, Malamar can’t ever get a permanent evolution