pokemon-winds-waves

[radiant otter]

pancham didnt wanna show up

[supple fern]

I also got a dupe Trubbish around Zone 19.

[worn cobalt]

Let me set up a code real quick

11559977

[radiant otter]

one sec

[worn cobalt]

No problem.

[desert current]

YESS FINALLYYYY!!!!

[worn cobalt]

Shalpha Magikarp?

[desert current]

Yes

[worn cobalt]

I'll use this code when you are ready clay.

[radiant otter]

you can search again

[desert current]

I've been hunting for a shiny magikarp (ANY shiny magikarp), but the game has continuously refused to give me one until now

It gave me a budew, a binacle, a patrat, and even a random espurr before I finally got one

[radiant otter]

just trade evos?

[worn cobalt]

I'm Adam. Let me trade some mons to evolve.

[radiant otter]

oh i got no trade ones

i can help you tho

i can give you that heracross tho

[worn cobalt]

Touch trade. I send them, then you return them.

Yeah, I'll trade you three beldum when we are done

[tired crane]

Wish I could get a shiny trubbish, love that little trash baby

[worn cobalt]

Get online, I'll gift you five.

[tired crane]

I can't- don't have switch online unfortunately

[worn cobalt]

Any other mons you need?

[radiant otter]

nah im alright with beldum

ill hunt my other things

[worn cobalt]

Send me two of your extra litleos.

For the other two beldum.

[radiant otter]

ok

guess i only had 1 extra alpha

[worn cobalt]

Eh, non alpha is fine. Extra litleos are getting wonder traded when home arrives

[worn cobalt]

I now realize I have an extra shiny Magikarp. SMH.

[radiant otter]

preciate the trading enjoy big boy heracross

[worn cobalt]

Will do. Saves me having to hunt an alpha.

[radiant otter]

saves me from mashing the A button for 3 hours

[worn cobalt]

My extra shinies.

[worn cobalt]

Imma still be doing it since I want need a Shalpha Metagross.

[worn cobalt]

Need any of these @radiant otter ?

[worn cobalt]

If you do get it, let me know.

[radiant otter]

audino is enticing but i really want that one myself

[worn cobalt]

Well, if you already have most of the shinies I have extra, nothing I can do but grind. I do have a ton of mons.

[noble ice]

Does anybody know where to find the TM psycho cut or what Pokémon learns it from leveling up

[radiant otter]

gallade at 42

earlier is inkay at 27

[noble ice]

Thank you

[tranquil nexus]

https://youtu.be/bAqhVep_5dc

I knew it!

I wish you could play ranked with only people you know

[pine rivet]

Wthelly

How do you shiny hunt in lza, is it chain catching?

I wish I could complete the Pokédex without having to buy online🥲

[lime void]

Do you still have your free trial available?

[willow kelp]

Jealous of the noiverns

[willow kelp]

Finally got a wz 20 shiny

Malamar

[radiant crater]

This guy?

[willow kelp]

First shalpha 🎉 victreebel

[plucky escarp]

Please do not discuss any leaked content in this channel any more!

Officially announced and released content only, some discord servers are being nuked for leak discussion, lets not be one of them

[willow kelp]

Ahh sorry

[plucky escarp]

no worries, only just had the nod to post this

we were largely ambivalent before

[willow kelp]

Well, back to shiny hunting it is then

[slate loom]

Oooh my god I just threw my masterball at some random Aron caus I ran out of ultra balls

Luckily I went to the homescreen and reloaded before it caught

[indigo mango]

alpha metagross is just the size i expect a metagross to be

same with Trevenant and Tyrantrum, they are so tiny if not in alpha

[indigo mango]

i mean thats hardly a problem

ah wait you probably caught the Aron

nevermind then, i thought you just threw it away

i still dont have a master ball sicne you dont get one story wise

and im too lazy to do any research that i dont just finish naturally

[tired crane]

I kinda hate the research tasks, they're incredibly tedious

[slate loom]

Luckily I went to the home screen and exited before it captured

the research tasks are meh, the only really awful one is the 1000 battles, but the catching thing doesn't take toooo long

just start chucking balls

less time consuming then Arceus

[wispy kernel]

I managed to get the battles done pretty quickly

[indigo mango]

i actually enjoyed catching in arceus alot more

[wispy kernel]

yeah

same

[indigo mango]

also helped it felt like a minigame with points for caught mons

[wispy kernel]

honestly I really wanna look into how money from excursions is calculated in PLA

always been something I’ve wondered

where would I look to find info on that

[storm fog]

Diggersby: Can I get +40 attack too?
Game Freak: Mmmmm, no. pulls lever that opens a trap door underneath Diggersby

[robust wren]

I guess it's cause Diggersby only has that as a hidden ability

[storm fog]

If you do like 30 battles per Battle Area for each challenger ticket, you reach 1000 before you get to your 20th Infinite Royale battle

Plus you get money, so that's two birds with one grind

[slate loom]

I do like, 20 for each ticket if that

Money is worthless I find though

You just can get so much of it

[worn cobalt]

Okay, so I decided to start a shiny living dex, since... you know, I can, and now I have a lot less extra shinies. But still have over 200 of them.

I need to grind for more money, since I need another shiny amaura and tyrunt. Amaura my nemesis...

[willow kelp]

YEEES

Shalpha Gengar ❤️

[worn cobalt]

Nice!

[willow kelp]

Not willing to talk about how long that took 🙈

[worn cobalt]

Anyone know if you can get Alpha Espurr? Of course, as I type this, I'm thinking it might be on roofs.

[willow kelp]

I guess those in WZ 3 have a chance to be alpha?

[worn cobalt]

Hmmm... I'll have to look there. Trying to perfect mark my pokedex. Get both shiny and alpha marks for each of the 227 mons that can be. While also considering a living shiny dex now.

[opal gull]

too easy to coordinate and rig it then

[worn cobalt]

When I am less grinding - y, I'll need to post my extra shinies boxes again and see if anyone with online wants/needs them.

[tranquil nexus]

Then they should give us a report button

[worn cobalt]

So you can report your friends?

[tranquil nexus]

No. The folks hacking

Like in the video

[worn cobalt]

Ah. Well, other than obvious cheats, some mons can be hard to prove they are hacked.

[opal gull]

still would help witht hose obvious cheats

[tranquil nexus]

Even if all they did was run a legality check on the mon

[tired crane]

My next hunt is shiny Furfrou

Wish me luck

[tranquil nexus]

Good luck!

[worn cobalt]

Good luck!

[opal gull]

||just steal the one from the champion||

[worn cobalt]

-# I'm debating getting a total of 10 shiny furfrou so I can have a full form dex shiny for home.

[tired crane]

Can you trade pokemon through pokemon home?

[worn cobalt]

Sort of? I think there is a way to trade with friends, but idk how to make that work.

There's also GTS and Wonder trade in there.

[tired crane]

Hmmm

[opal gull]

can't transfer za mons into anything esle though

[worn cobalt]

Not yet anyways. I think Rumor is March, but who knows.

[opal gull]

no

[tired crane]

Can you trade za mons with za mons?

[opal gull]

I mean when it ghappens za mons aren't able to be transferred backwards

to anything else

[worn cobalt]

Oh, I thought you meant that ZA mons can't be transfered to home yet, which is my comment.

[willow kelp]

What mega Charizard do you prefer design/shiny color wise?

[worn cobalt]

Design, probably X, shiny, I think Y.

[willow kelp]

Thought I was the only one to prefer shiny Y

[lime void]

This one:

[storm fog]

I'm managing to run Umbreon pretty well despite being purely defensive. It's just running screens, toxic, moonlight, and is holding leftovers. It allows me to basically force opponents to switch out of their Pokemon while I set up and I can go scrounging for buffs

[worn cobalt]

What do you do when you run into a steel or poison type?

[storm fog]

Swap Pokemon or just stall them while someone else comes over to try and KO them and go annoy that person instead

The only downside is that other people WILL steal any possible Toxic KO you could have potentially gotten, so it should only be used to force a switch. I personally use it to get people to stop using Xerneas so much

[worn cobalt]

I don't currently care much about ranked except getting the special megastones. Other than that, I'm focused on my nuzlocke shiny hunt. I should focus on my nuzlocke.

[storm fog]

Oh yeah I caught a shiny Chespin a few weeks ago by random chance. It's so weird that I always manage to find my shinies by pure chance and never while actively hunting for them

Only exception was the shiny Pikachu I was hunting and found within like 3 minutes

But every other attempt at actually hunting a specific shiny results in nothing. Not even shinies of other Pokemon in the area.

[worn cobalt]

Us random shiny chespin obtainers smiling and high-fiving while getting death stares from active shiny chespin hunters who spend hours hunting to no avail.

I need like 3 more shiny pikachu. Two to use for Mega Raichus and one just for shiny living dex.

I do now also need two more shiny chespin, but if I don't manage it, I'll live.

[storm fog]

So far I've gotten shiny Flabebe, shiny Krokorok, shiny Spinirak, shiny Bunnelby, two shiny Fletchlings, shiny Scatterbug, shiny Audino, shiny Bagon, shiny Excadrill, and a shiny Squirtle before I even got the Shiny Charm. After the Shiny Charm, I found shiny Chespin, shiny Pidgey, shiny Pikachu, and shiny Weedle.

[worn cobalt]

noice. I like your list. Eying your squirtle and excadrill, but I'll get my own soon enough™.

I'mma check if I got any hits in my shiny hunt. Hoping for riolu.

[indigo mango]

i have Trevenant and Klefki and of course the one everyone has

[worn cobalt]

Fletchling?

[unborn elm]

Yes

[indigo mango]

no the free shiny you get?

mareep

the shiny fletchling just fly away

[unborn elm]

My dad has like 7 shiny fletchling💔

[lime void]

So then just catch them before they fly away

https://tenor.com/view/modern-problems-solutions-dave-chapelle-gif-13450651

[unborn elm]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-real-true-fact-checked-fact-gif-6343207587503842551

[worn cobalt]

I have 11 shiny fletchling I don't need

[lime void]

I’ve only found 4 shinys, not including the shiny Mareep and a shiny Falinks my friend gave me

[willow kelp]

Haha yeah they get my hopes up every time I hear the noise

[worn cobalt]

Imma just shalpha hunt Beldum rn while I wait for my sister.

[worn cobalt]

Another shiny beldum that isn't alpha.

[opal gull]

that is way more probable then finding an alpha one yeah

[radiant otter]

my shiny alpha luck is off the charts recently

[autumn shore]

Is there a new NPC trade feature?
For example you caught a shiny (dupe or one you don't want) and you trade it to some random NPC will they keep the shiny and interact with it?

[indigo mango]

yes

[willow kelp]

I'll settle for a shiny beldum, haven't seen one yet

[tired crane]

I got a shalpha absol!

[willow kelp]

Niiice

[woeful flume]

i hunted beldum and got a metang in like 5 minutes

[willow kelp]

Must be nice, I think I'm 4 hours in trying to get shiny Charmander

[woeful flume]

that was nice cause most of my hunts have taken weeks

i finally got tepig yesterday which i started the first monday the game dropped almost a whole month already

[willow kelp]

Daamn

[light agate]

zone 3 tower method is OP

ive been hunting for espurr in between drampa

[empty hinge]

How many ppl do you know that can legitimately get 13 kills in ranked I got lucky bc it was all dragon types and my machamp one shots with ice beam

[willow kelp]

Machamp with ice beam? That's a first for me

[empty hinge]

Ice punch mb

This my build

I run thunder punch ice punch poison jab and fire punch

Tbh I’m thinking abt resetting the ivs and investing 252 in attack and rest in pure spdef bc it’s hp pool is already decent

[willow kelp]

Nice

[empty hinge]

Also should I replace my Greninja with metagross?

This is it’s build I run spA with water shuriken nasty plot ice beam and dark pulse

[willow kelp]

Since your Machamp deals with dragons and fairy I dont see the need to go Metagross

[empty hinge]

I need something to murder metagross

[plucky escarp]

i did a few times in early days of ranked

[empty hinge]

I’m still kinda early I’m only rank D

[plucky escarp]

i mean like first week

[empty hinge]

But I just started so meh

[plucky escarp]

people where using nfe pokes

was funny

[empty hinge]

Any advice

I wanna get to rank A and be like really good

[plucky escarp]

i havent played this season so dont know whats good atm

[empty hinge]

This is my current team

Machamp deals with dragons and fairy types

Greninja deals with fire types

And xerneas deals with yes

[storm fog]

I've gotten close because my Metagross has Ice Punch and baits Garchomps to it like flies to honey

[empty hinge]

Be honest could I replace xerneas with flareon

I need a metagross counter 😭

And I don’t wanna use charizard

[woeful flume]

ngl excadrill is solid in ranked

rock slide, eq, iron head and megahorn/x-scissor

[empty hinge]

Does it counter metagross

[woeful flume]

earthquake so yes

[empty hinge]

I already have fairy and dragon type counters I need a pure metagross counter that isn’t a dragon type

True but weak to Greninja and charizard

That’s why I’m thinking flareon

[woeful flume]

thats why it has a bug move for greninja and a rock type for charizard

if they use mega x char then you can use eq

[empty hinge]

Like I said I already counter charizard and Greninja I need just a metagross counter only problem with excadrill it’s very squishy

[noble ice]

It took me forever guys. I finally got that shiny Phantump

[empty hinge]

What do yall think about adamant flareon choice banded with max attack and a lot of stab moves with Like 75 in speed rest in spdef and hp

For countering metagross

[woeful flume]

i got like 3 phantumps + 1 shalpha trevavant while hunting scyther

[tired crane]

I know right?

[tired crane]

Congratulations! It has a really good shiny

[storm fog]

Flareon still has the main problem it has in previous games, which is a lack of move coverage, but I've seen people use it before. Completely folds against most Pokemon though.

[empty hinge]

True but since most metagrosses run spdef builds if I run flareon with purely fire type moves choice banded and only use it for metagross then it shouldn’t be a issue I wouldn’t think

[storm fog]

There's actually quite a few problems with current meta. Namely the lack of special water type wall breakers. The best of them is Clawitzer, but it's still not enough to get a good KO.

[empty hinge]

This meta is bad

It’s all special attack based

And everyone runs spdef

[willow kelp]

Don't all Metagross have eq? Does that not OHKO your Flareon?

[empty hinge]

If I max speed and attack yes I know it’s cooldown with stab moves choice banded I think I can kill it

B4 it can kill me

[storm fog]

Most people are using Charizard X for that

[empty hinge]

That’s why everyone runs thunder punch

Or

Greninja

Or thunderbolt

Or thunder

[storm fog]

Charizard X is dragon type

[empty hinge]

Ice punch

Also

[storm fog]

Dragon/fire

[empty hinge]

Btw never seen a charizard last longer than 30 secs

[storm fog]

It's only weak to rock, ground, and dragon

[empty hinge]

Everyone runs dragon

Plus fairy

[storm fog]

Yes and Charizard is also dragon

[storm fog]

Fire resists fairy

[empty hinge]

So it’s neutral

[woeful flume]

if you want a sole metagross killer talonflame with flare blitz should work

[empty hinge]

Does it ohko?

[plucky escarp]

just to cease the confusion, as funny as it is

[storm fog]

Maybe if it's weakened first, but yeah, Talonflame does bypass most of Metagross' best moves

[woeful flume]

i havent tested it but it should with max atk

[empty hinge]

Also isn’t mega charizard y better

[plucky escarp]

dont ask me, i dont care for either zards without abilities

[woeful flume]

y is better in regular format due to its movepool and ability

[willow kelp]

Keeps the electric weaknesses

[storm fog]

For Special, yes, but Charizard X is a physical attacker with great typing

[willow kelp]

WZ 20 is doing my head in

[storm fog]

Charizard Y also gets instantly folded by any rock moves

[willow kelp]

Not seen a single shiny since my Gengar and have been doing non stop

[empty hinge]

Does anyone have a flareon that can test this

[storm fog]

I personally kinda stopped even using mega evolutions in the meta, just so I can hold items and use plus moves instead.

[empty hinge]

Theoretically could a ghost type ohko metagross

Metagross is my only issue I hate that ufo 😭

[willow kelp]

Using it to dodge an attack was a nice bonus

[storm fog]

Due to the lack of abilities, the fact that using a mega evolution takes up an item slot that could be used for better utility, which mega evolutions don't give.

[empty hinge]

Like doublade choice banded

[woeful flume]

gengar does solid against a metagross but theres not many physical ghost types to focus on that lack of def most of the meta lacks

[empty hinge]

Doublade

Eviolite or choice band

[willow kelp]

Mine gets wrecked by earthquakes 😅

Which almost every mon uses

[woeful flume]

why not just go aegislash atp?

[storm fog]

You know what's funny? My metagross runs physical defensive because it's a Garchomp killer

[willow kelp]

YEEES, shalpha noivern

[empty hinge]

Doublades better bc aegislash doesn’t have his ability plus Eviolite

[storm fog]

Because Aegislash is REALLY bad

[woeful flume]

fair

[storm fog]

Aegislash still retains its ability effects. The issue is that because it's not longer turn based, Aegislash's slow speed just means it executes moves with insane lag. You can just walk away from it and then KO it in Sword form, where its defenses are abyssmal.

It literally has to do a form change animation on top of the move charge up. It's AWFUL

[empty hinge]

So doublades better

[storm fog]

Yep

[empty hinge]

Iron head shadow ball swords dance shadow claw close combat

What I think

You*

I could either replace swords dance and run choice band or keep it and run eviolite

[storm fog]

Sableye is also overlooked since people seem to be focusing purely on offensive prowess. Sableye gets access to Will-o-Wisp, which can shut down a Metagross easily.

Sableye also is only weak to fairy moves, which Metagross can't learn.

[empty hinge]

Alr final decision

Doublade or sableeye

For metagross counter

[woeful flume]

doubleye

[empty hinge]

Or

Beedrill

Hear me out

High attack + extra xerneas counter

[woeful flume]

drill run beedrill

[empty hinge]

Alr

Does drill run ohko

[woeful flume]

mega max atk should idk about non mega but its still high attack

prob not the best cause metagross has checks for beedrill with psychic

[empty hinge]

Alr final final choices mega beedrill or doublade

For metagross ONLY

Counter

[woeful flume]

whats the item most metagross' run?

[willow kelp]

Wth, second shalpha Gengar 🙈

[empty hinge]

Prob life orb

Yo uhm

Yeah doublade 100%

[tired crane]

Congrats?

[storm fog]

Beedrill is not viable. Too frail and not enough attack, even when mega evolved.

[empty hinge]

Valid metagross stopper

[worn cobalt]

[woeful flume]

would yall say alpha excadrill is better in ranked or regular

cause that eq hitbox is huge

[tired crane]

depends on the moves you choose probably

[empty hinge]

W’s

Season 3 when

[hazy knot]

random shiny ralts

should I evolve it into a gallade or a gardevoir?

[empty hinge]

Gallade gardevoir has to many counters for ranked

If ur doing it for rarity or fun do gardevoir

[summer flare]

i wish gallade were cooler, it just kinda throws a wrench in the lady knight vibe garde is implied to have initially

[edgy palm]

I honestly wish we'd gotten a regional Ralts

[summer flare]

in ZA or?

[edgy palm]

Any gen 6 on up game really

[summer flare]

oh, fair

[edgy palm]

So many good possibilities

[summer flare]

but tbh they probably thought garde would benefit from fairy and wanted to let it simmer

man when i got nothing to do i need to do bench resets

[edgy palm]

Could've done Ghost/Fairy variants or Fire/Fairy to spice things up a bit

[summer flare]

we still don't have any fire/fairy 😔

[edgy palm]

No Fire/Fairy or Bug/Dragon

Looking at what you should have been Yanmega...

[summer flare]

lowkey made it up bc it was neat but during a daydreaming sesh I thought "what about poison/ice mega weavile" bc sneasler was poison and like

trading psychic immunity for weakness is rough but a fairy resist in exchange is fun

[edgy palm]

Considering the threats that Fairy-types pose, it's a solid exchange

[summer flare]

oh and poison resists fight iirc so he's neutral to fighting

instead of 4x

[edgy palm]

And then there's Mega Zygarde with its effing Nihil Light....

[summer flare]

light that burns the sky type shit

[edgy palm]

Right!?

[jade ocean]

We already have Mega Weavile

[summer flare]

shhh

[edgy palm]

That's fun to pair with the fishy

[summer flare]

but giving weavile poison would make sense bc of the hisui form and it would be so funny

[jade ocean]

I mean like, same archetype of Pokemon, same attacking stat, same type, and they're even both mustelid-like in appearance

Clearly this is a Mega Weavile

[summer flare]

honeslt mega weavile chein pao meme has been there for a hot minute

[edgy palm]

Imagine having a poison attack that hits steel

[jade ocean]

And I won't stop memeing about it either

[jade ocean]

Corrosion Toxic fr

[edgy palm]

Not that

[summer flare]

wiat what type os dire claw

[jade ocean]

Poison

Corrosion kinda should've just made Poison SE vs Steel tbh

[summer flare]

BO WAOT MAKE MEGA WEAV POISON/ICE AND GUVE THAT BOTCH CORROSION

[edgy palm]

One that ACTUALLY hits physically not like toxic

[jade ocean]

I mean sure that'd be like

Broken as hell

But tbf Steel is a broken type that does need some sort of nerf

And Poison's a bit under average offensively

Poison's primarily a defensive type

[summer flare]

that nerf needs to be corrosion rework to SE steel and gibe ot to mega weave

[jade ocean]

With that said the single Corrosion Pokemon rn is Salazzle

[summer flare]

it wpuld be so fucking funny

[jade ocean]

So buffing Corrosion like that really only nerfs like

Heatran and Empoleon

[summer flare]

salazzle doesnt even need poison

for steel types

[jade ocean]

Among others I can't be bothered to check

Sometimes you must wonder if they swapped Merciless and Corrosion in Gen 7

Not that Pex would run Corrosion over Regen, anyways

[summer flare]

corrosion is chemical degradation of steel

if they gave that to merciless for some reaosm then ??

[jade ocean]

No as in

Corrosion on Pex

And Merciless on Salazzle

[summer flare]

oh like accidentally swapped pre launch

eh

[jade ocean]

Also both fucking Corrosion mons are offensive leaning

[edgy palm]

Salazzle being as squishy as it is needs all the help it can get

[jade ocean]

And some mfs may look at "Both? Who's the other"

Well, Glimmora has it

[summer flare]

isnt glimmora setup orientated

[edgy palm]

Yeah but Glimmora is a death trap

[jade ocean]

Yknow the mon with like 130 SpA

[summer flare]

what the fuck

since when??

[jade ocean]

That also has Toxic Debris anyways which is a far better ability

[summer flare]

that thing does NOT look that way

[jade ocean]

If Corrosion actually did allow it to hit Steels for SE though offensive Glimmora would be sick

People already run Power Herb Meteor Beam on it and it's cool as fuck

[edgy palm]

Ah yes, that combo is lethal

[jade ocean]

Usually it's just a hazard setter though

Which is part of why Power Herb Meteor Beam works

[summer flare]

that unnerves me so much

[jade ocean]

They don't expect to be blasted into the next match

[summer flare]

that its spa is that high

[jade ocean]

Higher than Hydreigon is hilarious

[summer flare]

poor hydreigon

[jade ocean]

(Leak Spoilers) ||It's part of why I'm kinda nervous about its Mega||

||This could be really fucking broken||

Hydrei could get a Mega and I wouldn't mind

I'm sure a lot of people will be like

"Wah wah a PSEUDO LEGENDARY got a Mega"

But like unironically? Hydrei's weak enough to the point where it could make sense

[summer flare]

100% true leak Mega Weavile Poison/Ice w Corrosion that now hits steel w poison supereffectively

[jade ocean]

Crazy Glimmora buff

[summer flare]

dont most pseudo have megas now

[jade ocean]

All of them do, apart from Hydrei, the 3 Goodras, Kommo and Pult

I typod there btw

[summer flare]

3 goodra?

[jade ocean]

In my defence 2 and 3 are right next to each other

[summer flare]

shit man gotta censor those leaks smh

[jade ocean]

Goodra should've gotten a Mega

[summer flare]

tru

[jade ocean]

Heck, it could've gotten 2 for the base and 1 for the Hisuian form and I wouldn't complain

They did Goodra so fucking dirty

[summer flare]

goodra: oh boy! a kalos dragon is getting a mega i wonder what ill look l-
dragalge

[jade ocean]

H-Goodra may look like a Goodra buff on surface level, but H-Goodra is actually Goodra's malicious great grand uncle and is determined to make her life miserable by taking her niche in higher tiers

(Which Dragalge does anyways but shh)

[summer flare]

better goodra in two flavors: evil intimidating seahorse and BIG SNAIL

[jade ocean]

Better Goodra (figurative) and Better Goodra (literal)

Because of Species Clause, if you use H-Goodra, you can't use base

[summer flare]

well, reg goodra has them beat on one thing

[jade ocean]

Which is why it'd be a problem there

[summer flare]

can u guess :)

[jade ocean]

I could make 1 guess that I think would be correct but I think I'd get banned

[summer flare]

LOUD INCORRECT BUZZER

Cute bappy

[jade ocean]

Idk I feel like I see H-Goodra ranked higher on opinionated tierlists than base more often than not

[summer flare]

she should've been water or fairy

[jade ocean]

But maybe that's just my imagination

Dragon/Water with Poison Heal would've been sick

[summer flare]

eh, i like the snail shell but i prefer that she looks so happy in base

[jade ocean]

I think that's just a common idea a lot of people have

Because it's a fun idea

Who doesn't want to have the 2nd coming of Gliscor?

[summer flare]

i think she normally has sap sipper, so if she were water dragon she'd still be great against grass

[jade ocean]

I mean like

They only hit you for neutral

Just click Fire Blast lmao

[summer flare]

yeah but immune

[jade ocean]

Dw we could replace an ability nobody cared about, like Hydration

[summer flare]

true

[jade ocean]

Ngl Goodra and Gliscor are weirdly similar

Middling speed, high bulk on one side but middling on the other, decent but not great damage

Poison Heal, good typing and Hazards do a lot more for Gliscor though compared to like

Sap Sipper on a Grass resist

And a lack of recovery not named Rest

[summer flare]

speaking of dragalge, i know alola seemed to prefer having its regionals be 151, but a dragalge that didn't live off toxic rotting seaweed wpuld be neat

tho it was roght after the intro gen so

[jade ocean]

Can I point out something?

Hisuian Goodra's BEST ABILITY

Is SAP SIPPER

WHEN IT QUAD RESISTS GRASS

[summer flare]

hydration is a plague

[jade ocean]

There is 1 thing H-Goodra doesn't beat Goodra in

[summer flare]

pokemon loves thematic abilities that dont fucking do anything

[jade ocean]

And that's not having a dumb ability

How does Sap Sipper even fit Goodra

Where do we see it sip sap

[wise flint]

isnt it a snail

[summer flare]

a slug and they kinda eat everything

[charred sage]

ngl with sap sipper the thing I keep getting caught off guard by is that it blocks status moves too if they're grass typed

[summer flare]

they love fruit tho

[jade ocean]

Bro I'm reading these dex entries and

[charred sage]

so being able to negate sleep powder is nice if it's mine but forgetting that I can't leech seed it has led to... issues at times lol

[summer flare]

oh i FORGOT about that

[jade ocean]

"Underneath its slimy skin is a thick layer of fat" GIVE IT THICK FAT

[charred sage]

nope, too good

(though with a sp. defense of 150 ice beam is still bonking right off even when weak lol)

[summer flare]

what being a fat fuck does to a mf

(lovingly)

[jade ocean]

"It throws a punch that's the equivalent of the force of a hundred pro boxers."
They're gonna give it Iron Fist or some shit aren't they

[charred sage]

"it's fat frick friday" ~Venusaur after going mega

[jade ocean]

It's so Goodrover

[summer flare]

I ALWAUS THOUHT THAT WHEN I MEGAD MINR IN MY XY REPLAY

[jade ocean]

Anyways now we can deduce that pro boxers have a base attack stat of 1

[wise flint]

my base attack stat is probably 0.02

[jade ocean]

That'd make you 5 times weaker than an average human

[wise flint]

yeah sounds about right

[jade ocean]

... Well, assuming the Internet isn't talking out of their ass

And that pro boxers are actually about 10 times stronger than the average human

Though most of this strength is technique

And actual strength is not really something you can quantify

But that's just semantics

I'm sure the Pokenon Attack stat probably takes that into account

[wise flint]

big number go wee

[jade ocean]

We also know that 60 SpA is all you need to blow up a mountain

[summer flare]

okay, but can any of us spit with enough force to do that?

[robust wren]

Maybe someone in the Pokémon world could, considering how carrying the metric ton Cosmoem around is just a thing some people can do

[jade ocean]

Probably not

[robust wren]

If we wanna take the Attack stat seriously from a comparison standpoint, Drayden should be able to move mountains, cause he's capable of wrestling his Haxorus, who has 17 more attack points than the mountain pushing Machamp

And this is why powerscaling shouldn't be taken too seriously

[jade ocean]

So you need 130 Attack to push mountains, but only 60 SpA to destroy them?

This seems a bit weighted...

Anyways TLDR: Stat scaling shouldn't be done

Because it quite evidently doesn't work

Dex scaling is also dubious because like

[bright zinc]

I don't think "Scalingisalsodubiousbecauselike" is in PIF. :thinking: Did you misspell something?

[jade ocean]

I am going to skin you

[jade ocean]

Anyways, it's a bit dubious because like you're seriously telling me that Solar Beam Gigalith is a mountain buster? A mon whose best ability directly weakens Solar Beam? Lmao.

Not even a HA btw

Though tbf that may just go back to stat scaling being

Dubious

Still can't convince me that Lanturn produces so much energy that it would destroy our universe with our laws of physics though

[robust wren]

The dex also says Yanmega can carry adults around in flight, but it can't learn Sky Drop or even Fly. Not to mention all the Pokémon who move at high speeds according to the dex that have like sub 60 speed

[jade ocean]

Lanturn could have 255 SpA and you wouldn't be able to convince me that

[robust wren]

According to the Dex, Musharna is a more powerful dream based Pokémon than Darkrai. Darkrai can lock you into nightmares, but Musharna makes them real

[jade ocean]

Mega Musharna with Bad Dreams incoming

The dex has been hinting at it all along

[robust wren]

It gains the Dark type as well and becomes completely useless as a result (but still better than Mega Malamar)

[hazy knot]

got the falinks right before the froakie

I finally got shiny froakie and falinks after hunting them for weeks

[cunning marsh]

Tyranitar says hello

[wanton token]

I just failed my shiny froakie😭

[wanton token]

But I got a shalpha falinks right after the fail

[lime void]

https://tenor.com/view/smg4-smg4skill-issue-skill-issue-smg4mario-smg4skill-gif-26104493

[unborn elm]

Did you save the game before going to catch it

[autumn shore]

Mega Raichu X and Y remain Electric type?
Awww I thought they would be dual typed 😟

[plucky escarp]

was that announced?

[harsh oasis]

I think it might be on the pokemon website?

I don't remember

[opaque osprey]

Yea, its on the website. Both pure Electric

[plucky escarp]

huh fair

such wasted potential

that being said, they look ai genned as fuck, i wouldnt use them anyway

[lime void]

Which makes them even more of a waste of space then they already were

[wispy kernel]

everything about them is wasted

they couldve made mega raichu so cool

but nooooooo they had to pander to pikachu even more

its so obvious that they wanted to make mega pikachu

and raichu suffered for that

[willow kelp]

I am starting to love the Y version, don't know why

[lime void]

Or, hear me out, don’t give special treatment to a Gen 1 Pokémon that already got special treatment 3 Gens ago

[willow kelp]

As long as it sells 😅

[unborn elm]

Why pure electric when x could have been electric fighting and y could have idk

GAMEFREAK WHY I OUGHTA

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1348145378830319667/1438093451639128137/image0.gif

[willow kelp]

Y second type most likely would be fairy I guess

[unborn elm]

Poor raichu man

Only thing it has is the aloan form

While Pikachu has everything

Not even the mega forms are safe

It’s just big Pikachu and orange Pikachu

[willow kelp]

Tbf more mega go back to previous versions

Like dragonite

[unborn elm]

Yea I understand that

But they still look like themselves

Mega raichu Y is literally just fucking Pikachu

[wispy kernel]

dragonite’s really the only one who does

and dragonite’s is far less egregious

it gets a longer tail, feathered head wings, the orbs and a horn, but it’s still dragonite

this is pikachu with a few parts of raichu badly copy and pasted onto it

[unborn elm]

THATS WHAT IM SAYING

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1348145378830319667/1438093451639128137/image0.gif

[robust kettle]

Ngl, kinda expected this

But instead we got this

[edgy palm]

Alolan Raichu should've gotten it instead

The dual typing was amazing

[lime void]

If they HAD to give 2 to Raichu (which, I reiterate, they did not) then they should’ve given 1 to regular Raichu and 1 to Alolan Raichu

For that matter, if they give Pokémon both a mega and a regional variant, the regional variant should also be able to mega evolve. That way both forms have access to the same power level

Though they shouldn’t be giving Pokémon both a mega and a regional variant in the first place, but that’s an entirely different discussion

[edgy palm]

Imagine Alolan Raichu with more speed while keeping its ability... Regileki would be left in the dust

It's still nuts that under electric terrain, with maxed EVs and perfect IVs its speed is automatically 700 when it hits the field 😅

[robust wren]

Modern Pokémon is too allergic to villains for a conflict like that

[robust kettle]

Of course they are

[tired crane]

That's really unfortunate I'm sorry

[charred sage]

they looked at SM lusamine and were like "we need to walk this back" (see also: Gen 2 rival with future rivals lol)

then again I have a feeling they didn't intend for lusamine to be as evil as she was in SM but the writers went all in on her and made her SM incarnation all the better for it

[lime void]

What are you talking about? Gen 8 had the most evil villain in all of Pokémon history: Leon

[edgy palm]

I loved how crazy she went. Too bad GameFreak hasn't made a good villain since. That title still belongs to Cyrus, Ghetsis and yes, even Lysandre who wanted to unalive anyone and anything not in alignment with their ideals.

[charred sage]

3 very different goals between them too

from "remove emotions" to "remove obstacles to my control" to "remove, just in general"

[lime void]

Cyrus’s and Lysandre’s goals were pretty similar actually

[tired crane]

The best villains were from the red manga

[lime void]

The main difference is Lysandre didn’t want to kill his own team

Or psychically recreate the world

[tired crane]

Would an actually dark pokemon game actually be something people would enjoy?

[edgy palm]

He just wanted to unalive everything else

[edgy palm]

Insurgence was the first one

It has a dark story and by that I mean there are cults and a lot of death involved

[tired crane]

Yeah somehow I couldn't get through that game

[robust wren]

Pokémon games have had and to an extent still do have plenty of dark elements. And the series is better when it embraces that side a bit without diving completely in. There's a reason people so vividly remember Lavender Town and Ghetsis

At least the series still doesn't sugarcoat the idea of death, which I appreciate

[edgy palm]

Let's note that you can choose not to play the dark story in Insurgence

[lime void]

https://tenor.com/view/you-care-to-elaborate-diego-hargreeves-the-umbrella-academy-can-you-explain-further-david-castañeda-gif-224257780116616841

[edgy palm]

You're given a choice between the normal story and the dark story at the start of the game

[charred sage]

report cyrus for teamkilling

[lime void]

You can’t get reported for team killing if you’re the only one left alive

https://tenor.com/view/tkt-smart-gif-20642718

[charred sage]

"one team enter one man leave" ~Cryus, probably, 2006/2007

[desert current]

I'm all for a darker Pokemon story, but that's just being edgy just for the sake of it...

and not the good kind of edgy either, the cringe kind

[robust wren]

The Gen 5 games, Sun and Moon, and the PMD games are probably the best examples of how to implement darker themes into a Pokémon story

[lime void]

Legends Arceus: am I a joke to you?

[robust wren]

Legends Arceus barely has a story at all

I barely remember anything that happened in it beyond the isekai opening, Ingo getting screwed over in life, and Volo pulling a Bellwether by being evil all along with no buidup

[desert current]

At this point I don't even think its for research, she just craves violence.

[robust wren]

She was in Team Flare for a reason

[desert current]

the buildup was Volo having all the pre-evolutions of Cynthia's Pokemon. XD

[lime void]

You don’t remember the “if you fail your task you’ll be sent into the wilderness where you’ll probably die” bit? Or all the talk of war. Or about several members of the Pearl clan dying because they live in the icelands (though the last one is optional dialogue)

[lime void]

Cynthia isn’t evil though

[desert current]

Well duh, I know... But it still implies you were going to have to battle him at some point, and that his team will be really strong.

Also, you don't need to take a joke so seriously... 😒

[edgy palm]

And that's why she's awesome xD

[tired crane]

Shiny hunting for shiny alpha swirlix

Wish me luck

[unborn elm]

Clefairy is so innocent

[desert current]

Erm that's Cleffa get it right 🤓

[tired crane]

Shiny hunting manually is exhausting

I wanna shiny hunt manually at least one of my shinies for my shiny only run

[edgy palm]

I feel sorry for those who have had the misfortune of a shiny Froakie running away from them

[lime void]

Remember kids: always save when you see a shiny and/or hear the shiny noise

[edgy palm]

||Honestly I don't know why Lucario is getting one considering they are already a mixed attacker. As for the others, I could see Fairy being added to Absol and Garchomp remaining the same typing but instead of a physical attacker, it becomes a special attack variant with more speed.||

[wispy kernel]

||The most popular guesses I’m seeing are Dark/Fairy for Absol and Ground/Fighting for Lucario. Tons of different things for Garchomp though.||

[jade ocean]

||How likely would it be for Garchomp Z to just be what Mega Garchomp should've been from the beginning?||

||Base Mega Garchomp is so fucking wack why are you getting 40 fucking SpA bro||

||Why did you lose 10 Speed||

[wispy kernel]

||I imagine they’ll at least change the type a bit. maybe give it water or flying over ground or dragon. idk||

[jade ocean]

||They could literally just not make stupid decisions with the mega's stat allocations and it'd be more than different enough||

[noble ice]

||changing the typing for Garchomp is going to be a little bit of a doozy. I highly doubt they would get rid of the dragon type so maybe dragon and flying or it would be cool to see a dragon and steel.||

[jade ocean]

||Please don't turn Garchomp into yet another Dragon/Flying that'd be so ass||

[wispy kernel]

||I think Water and Flying are the most likely types to give it cuz 1. It’s a shark 2. It’s a jet||

||Though Dragon/Fire could be cool and still work with the Jet thing||

[jade ocean]

||It'd just become another Dragon/Flying Mega with Aerilate and that'd be so annoying||

||We already have a Dragon/Flying physical Pseudo Legendary Mega with Aerilate||

[wispy kernel]

||Mega Salamence is usually run as special iirc||

[jade ocean]

||And that one has reliable recovery and a better setup move||

[jade ocean]

||No???||

||Unless VGC is crazy like that||

||I mean I did hear someone talk about Aerilate Hyper Voice Mence in VGC and that's lowkey kinda fire||

||But Mega Mence would also be better physically anyways||

[wispy kernel]

||Yeah iirc in VGC it’s usually special over physical via hyper voice||

||It’s pretty crazy||

[jade ocean]

||They'd likely have similar speed and bulk and shit, maybe Mega Garchomp Z would have higher attack? And then Mence would just have the better setup move and reliable recovery, and they have the same coverage||

[wispy kernel]

||It’s attack is 25 points higher but 120 special attack is still like pretty damn respectable||

||They could go batshit insane and switch Mega Garchomp Z to full special or something||

[jade ocean]

||It'd be so miserable to see Mega Garchomp Z be completely and utterly outclassed by Mence Z||

[wispy kernel]

||Could work with the Dragon/Fire Jet idea I mentioned||

[jade ocean]

||It'll still have a billion Attack anyways and lower its speed to 52||

||Because Gamefreak hates Garchomp||

[wispy kernel]

||Tbh I feel like they have to give it bananas speed here or else people will riot||

[jade ocean]

||But seriously I don't think they're lowering the Attack for a special Mega here||

||They don't usually do that for Megas that swap main attacking stats||

||I think Dragonite loses a bit of Attack? But not much and the others don't lose any||

[wispy kernel]

||If it doesnt break minimum 130 speed I think there’ll be very angry people outside of gamefreak||

[jade ocean]

||So Garchomp would have to put so many points to make that 80 SpA work for a Mega||

||Like going to just 150 would take 70 points||

||OK but seriously why the fuck did Mega Garchomp get 40 SpA||

||Who the fuck made this shit||

||And why is its ability mf Sand Force||

[wispy kernel]

||There’s no way they fuck up mega garchomp again especially with how minmaxed the new megas are||

[jade ocean]

||It really feels like Gamefreak wanted to fuck Garchomp over||

[jade ocean]

||You say that, but there's mons like Malamar, Victreebel and Pyroar that show that they definitely can mess up again||

[wispy kernel]

||ok yeah but those guys arent garchomp, a fan favorite pokemon who infamously has a fucked up mega. theres no way they do it again for garchomp I mean||

[jade ocean]

||I sure as hell hope they don't, but I'm not gonna get my hopes up too high||

||Like honestly just say fuck it to giving 40 SpA to SpA and distribute that elsewhere (and make it not just lose speed) and bam that's Mega Garchomp fixed||

[wispy kernel]

||I at least get Mega Zeraora Crabominable and Golisopod so I’m winning this shit even if Garchomp sucks ass||

[jade ocean]

||I do not care that it'd overshadow the base Mega, because base Garchomp overshadows the base Mega||

||This is genuinely the only Mega that is genuinely just worse than the base form, it's embarrassing||

[wispy kernel]

||Honestly without even changing the stats I can think of one way to save Mega Garchomp. Give it Sand Rush||

[jade ocean]

||No "Oh it's opportunity cost the Mega's actually really fucking good" or anything, no, it's just straight up worse||

[jade ocean]

||True, I've changed Mega Garchomp to be a slower bulkier mon with Sand Rush in a few theorymons to alter it into being a monstrous sand sweeper before||

||That'd have been really cool||

||Mega Swampert makes Rain Sweeping work with 70 Speed, you can go pretty low for making weather sweepers||

[wispy kernel]

||Max Speed Garchomp is 333, 499 with Scarf. Max Speed Mega Garchomp if it had Sand Rush would be 622 ||

||It already has 170 Attack it doesnt really need the extra 30% from Sand Force||

[jade ocean]

||Like fuck it, 1 minute stat spread reallocation for Mega Garchomp, 108 HP, 180 Attack, 140 Defence, 80 SpA, 120 SpD, 72 Speed||

[wispy kernel]

||btw for reference Max Speed Regieleki is 548 ||

[jade ocean]

||If they wanted it to be slower they literally could've just made it slow bulky physical attacker like this and also give Sand Rush and it'd be a sick fucking Sand Sweeper||

[wispy kernel]

||For something to outspeed this hypothetical Sand Rush Mega Garchomp that still has 92 base speed it’d need to have 234 base speed minimum||

[unborn cave]

oh my

thats a lot of spoiler tags

[jade ocean]

We are talking in leaks rn

[desert current]

||I dunno, but whatever they do, I hope its similar to the concept I came up with for an alternate Lucario mega.||

||They better give it Mega Launcher, boosting Aura and Pulse moves is literally so perfect for Lucario its borderline criminal they didn't do that already (it learns every Mega Launcher boosted move in the game except for Origin Pulse).||

[unborn cave]

PEAK

[wispy kernel]

||I did see a really cool idea that was Ground/Fighting Mega Lucario with Skill Link for Bone Rush||

[jade ocean]

||I'm wondering what they'll do with Mega Lucario Z||

[edgy palm]

Imagine Garchomp gets Moxie xD

[jade ocean]

||It is already a mixed attacker||

[jade ocean]

||They really don't want to give bro a way to boost Speed||

||Also I'd rather we spoiler text leaked info||

[wispy kernel]

literally has to be spoilered

against the rules to not spoiler leaks

[desert current]

||Well Garchomp was a competitive menace even before it got a mega... Heck, its literally everywhere in Z-A Ranked battles right now, so its STILL a beast. They probably knew how good it was an intentionally held back.||

||I get that other Megas are busted, but it makes sense that they would overcorrect for a mon that has historically been really good compared to mons that have never been good.||

[supple fern]

||The Rouge Pokemon in Lumiouse (Rogue edition) music is a bop||

[edgy palm]

||I didn't say Mega Garchomp, just Garchomp. But now that I am talking about the new Mega, Speed Boost would be funny||

[desert current]

||That would be cool, but I don't think Lucario learns any other multihit moves. I like the idea but Technician would be way cooler for that (and would pair very nicely with Bullet Punch too).||

[edgy palm]

||Moxie boosts attack not speed o.O||

[desert current]

||So is Mega Charizard X (it has equal attack and special attack, despite its ability only boosting physical moves) and that didn't stop them.||

[wispy kernel]

||I mean they could always just give some to it yknow. They gave Starmie a shit ton of new physical moves||

[jade ocean]

||I know, just saying that it'd feel fitting for them to only give Garchomp more of what it really doesn't need||

||Bro has more than enough Attack as is, with Swords Dance and 130 Attack and a great offensive type||

[jade ocean]

||Didn't stop them from making Mega Mence, who was still a pretty great mon at the time all things considered, absolutely busted||

||Though it was definitely starting to show its cracks||

[jade ocean]

||At least Zard X with its ability is meant to be more physical leaning, though. Lucario has like what, 5 more Attack than SpA in the Mega form and an ability that affects both damaging move categories?||

||I'm pretty sure Lucario in base has either slightly more Attack or slightly more SpA and iirc the higher of the 2 swaps after Mega Evolution||

[desert current]

||Doesn't matter, it changes nothing. They could still just as easily drop a special attacking Mega Lucario regardless.||

[jade ocean]

||And they could drop a Physical one too||

||There's just no way to tell||

||Which is why I'm unsure what they're gonna do for the Mega||

||Especially given how Mega Lucario's already a strong Mega||

[desert current]

||I don't see them doing that when Mega Lucario already has 5 points higher in physical attack.||

[jade ocean]

||So they're gonna make a Mega Lucario with 5 more points in SpA is what you're saying?||

||Let's be real that 5 point difference barely matters||

[desert current]

||Lucario's special attacking options have often been ignored in favor of its strong physical options, even most Mega Lucario sets use physical attacks... Despite the fact that AURA SPHERE, Lucario's iconic attack, is a special attack.||

||It just makes the most sense for them to make it a pure special attacker, there's not a lot of other ways they could do it (unless they make it thick and tanky out of nowhere).||

[jade ocean]

||Barely may even be an exaggeration||

||It probably just doesn't matter||

[jade ocean]

||Hey, they made Darkrai slow and bulky||

||Just saying, same could happen to Lucario||

||If that happens, then... well... at least Lucario has a far better defensive type than Darkrai||

[wispy kernel]

||that mf is getting no guard dark void or some shit. what are they doing with it||

[jade ocean]

||The funniest thing is despite losing so much speed it'd still be the fastest user of 100% accurate sleep moves if it got No Guard||

||Since Toedscruel may as well have 0 Speed when using Spore||

||They really called this ability Mycelium Might then made it a drawback ability||

||I wonder how good Mega Absol Z will be||

||I mean all things considered Mega Absol is a really solid Pokemon||

[unborn cave]

|| wooper is cool ||

[plucky escarp]

#pokemon-winds-waves message

[wispy kernel]

aw man

[tired crane]

shiny hunting eevee wish me luck

[jade ocean]

Oh I'm blind mb

[plucky escarp]

no problem, we did an #announcements just now too so its more visible now

frankly i would like to talk about them, but i dont wanna see is get nintendo ninja'd

[wispy kernel]

yeah fair

guess we cant talk about Mega Cramorant C with it’s new signature ability Gulp Nuclear Bomb where it swallows a Wailord and Zekrom instead of Arrokuda and Pikachu

[jade ocean]

Can't believe we can no longer talk about Mega Volcarona, it's so over

[wispy kernel]

and whenever it gets hit it says “It’s Cramoranting Time” and Cramorants all over the enemies

[tired crane]

Guess we can't talk about the new mega shadow lugia that kills everyone's best friend Pikachu

[jade ocean]

Jokes aside thanks for the announcement, now that I know that I can actually like not nuke other servers I'm in

[tired crane]

Fr it's good to know yeah

[desert current]

Everyone's sleeping on the power of Mega Dudunsparce's 1000 segment form.

[desert current]

I was grinding money in a Battle Zone near Wild Zone 19, when I suddenly heard the shiny sound. It was a SHINY EEVEE.

[charred sage]

the boi

[unborn elm]

https://tenor.com/view/bite-of-87-was-that-the-bite-of-87-fnaf-markiplier-gif-4088330124955617216

[desert current]

Has anybody else had problems with the pokedex not saving your settings? I like seeing all the shinies I've seen show in the dex, but for whatever reason it sometimes reverts them back to the default form... The weird part is its super inconsistent too.

At first I thought it had to do with seeing or interacting with the Pokemon in the wild, but its been doing it for Falinks too and I haven't interacted with one in ages... Not only that, but it keeps changing Zygarde back to 10% form, even though its been sitting in a box as 50% form since I first caught it.

[radiant otter]

what do i name this good lil green guy

[tired crane]

Call him Spinach!

[radiant otter]

he is now spinach

[jade ocean]

Just saw someone suggest giving Mega Malamar Wonder Guard as if that's a logical thing to do that won't be AG material

I'm gonna be real with you as much of a fraud Mega Malamar is in terms of stats if you give Wonder Guard to a Pokemon with only 2 weaknesses and pretty good bulk it'll be batshit broken

Even in Ubers, the main mons that can hit it are like, U-Turn Koraidon on 1 of its like 4 sets (it can't switch in because it risks getting hit by Psychic moves btw), Lunala and Caly-S (assuming it goes back to Ubers in Gen 10 without Tera) which are quad weak to Dark, Toxic Stallers (just use Rest), Zacian and Arc-Fairy (the former doesn't run Fairy moves commonly, but both are still the most fair points of any)

And Xerneas once it decides to start existing again

So like 3 actually foolproof answers basically

Maybe I give Gamefreak too much shit for being bad at balancing lmao

[dusty forum]

Got my first 300k run tonight

I need ti figure out how to optimize this Royale stuff

[summer flare]

time for this playthrough to get absolutely stupid

[tired crane]

Shiny hunting eevee is annoying

Is there a place where an eevee is available both day and night? Other then wild zone 19?

[drowsy wren]

ZA Spoilers

||Apparently if you defeat a rouge mega and your last Pokémon dies at the same time, you lose. Found this out the hard way vs the level 70 Mega T-Tar. My Mega Beedrill drill runned into it at the same time it used stone edge, killed both, and I lost||

[summer flare]

THE BUDEW

FROM WAY BACK

IT WASN'T KICKED FROM THE SAVED LIST

IT WAS ONLY AT NIGHT

I TRIED TO THEME IT WITH A NEST BALL AND THE NORMAL GOT IN THE FUCKING WAY

it's ok luxury ball is like helpful or whatever

context: a shiny budew spawned in an area i couldn't access before getting roto-glide(mission 16ish)
i checked back during the wrong time period and assumed i'd lost it

[drowsy wren]

I've always wanted a shiny budew. Roserade shiny looks so good. Glad to hear you didn't lose it

[tired crane]

I'm shocked your this excited over a shiny budew but good for you man!

[summer flare]

no no it was because 1. Bug/Poison only run and 2. couldn't reach it at the time

i was so fucking devastated when i thought it was saved over with another shiny i couldn't use hiding from me somewhere

all the hunting, literal hours probably adding to a day of manually bench resetting because i don't have turbo

and the only shinies i ever get were shit i cant use or random birds

i wa sso mad at my second pidgey dupe that i killed it

the fact i thought i lost the only other shiny i could use was absolutely heartbreaking

but I didn't

i still kind of want venipede but tbh, i dont mind not having it so much now

[worn cobalt]

I just recently got an 8bitdo controller that can do macros, and I'm so excited. Took me an hour and a half to program and adjust, but I made a macro that specifically shiny hunts Drampa.

Starting from a specific bench, it runs over in range of Drampa, spawns in and out a bunch of Drampa by running back and forth, then returns to the bench to reset to morning and start again!

I should be able to get another shiny Drampa soon!

[worn cobalt]

I've noticed this issue, but not sure what causes it. I assumed last seen form, but I'm probably wrong.

[jaunty ice]

Me and bro started together we ended the story together ❤️

[marble fiber]

Krookodile should have a mega instead of exadrill

this is a fact

[wispy kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-truth-nuke-walter-white-true-breaking-bad-truth-nuke-breaking-bad-true-gif-2370094217877194192

[lime void]

Why not both?

[opaque osprey]

Mega Krookodile became a dark/dragon with insane boost to atk, more def+sp def and lower speed due to becoming even more bulky and draconic

[worn cobalt]

So, somewhere my Drampa macro got off timing, so it failed to run part of the night.

[marble fiber]

Cuz both are 5g ground type pokemon

[marble fiber]

like that ?

[lime void]

So? Doesn’t mean they can’t both get megas

[opaque osprey]

My mental image is something like Mega Swampert combined with Druddigon spikyness

[tired crane]

Wish I could trade you my shiny Venipede but I don't have online

[marble fiber]

yea i imagine the beast

[marble fiber]

like if tauros get a mega, bouffalant won't get one, its a bit the same thing here with exadrill and krookodile

[lime void]

Those Pokémon are similar animals though, whereas Exadrill’s a mole and Krookodile’s a crocodile

[marble fiber]

yea u are right but I think Game Freak have other mega to deal with before another ground 5g pokemon

[novel atlas]

I randomly found a shiny excadrill while farming research

[storm bone]

Sharing it here too

[polar hatch]

or the other weapon in ZA

[lime void]

Both of those are destroyed

[marble fiber]

POV : mega flygon is out and he's not insect/dragon

[lime void]

Of course he’s not, he can’t be a type that doesn’t exist

[indigo mango]

thats too much change, its mega is just gonna make his eyes bigger

[marble fiber]

a bit like mega delphox who is psy/fire and not fire/fairy

[robust wren]

Can I just say that the colorful screw exchange might just be the absolute worst store interface I've ever seen? Nothing in this game so far has annoyed me quite as much as being booted out of the UI after every exchange I make just so this guy can explain the thing I literally just read a second ago

[indigo mango]

eh i tend to buy a plush when i got the screws

[tranquil nexus]

https://youtu.be/Ut2wuytajvE?si=LVOlkHp8qLMM42FF basically spot on review-wise.

[indigo mango]

so i only had this happen the very first time cause i had some screws extra

but after never cause i dont hoard screws, no reason to do that

to me pokeball guy is way more annoying. you dont have to explain to me what you do everytime

[acoustic igloo]

I just don't have the patience to rush over to the guy every time I have the required number of screws for a given plush.

[polar hatch]

you right

[polar hatch]

but the 2nd is broken, if she's like before this will work

[woeful flume]

pokeball guy is the goat

[wispy kernel]

GUYS

IT FINALLY FUCKING HAPPENED

SHINY FROAKIE

[indigo mango]

what? its a simple teleport

[acoustic igloo]

Still a bit tedious, especially since there's nothing that notifies me of when I can get a new one.

It's just easier to rack 'em up and then buy the plushes when I have the time to.

Same philosophy with Mega Shards.

[tired crane]

Congrats!

[worn cobalt]

Macros are nice I've decided.

[desert current]

Wait till you try to buy EV berries...

they too are bought ONE AT A TIME, and usually when you need them you need them in bulk.

[dim plover]

wheres the quest fennekin?

The one on the rooftop of wz18 feels impossible to catch

[indigo mango]

i mean eh. isnt reseting evs better then berries?

atleast thats what i heard

[desert current]

It is, but part of that is BECAUSE its so hard to get bulk EV berries. Sometimes you just want to tweak evs a little bit (like switching from defense investment to sp. def investment after it doesn't work out as well as expected in ranked battles).

[indigo mango]

but ye berry buying sucks, had to do it for the one quest where you give someone berries. i had every berry exept one where i had 0 so i had to buy them all one by one

[worn cobalt]

The ev berries also boost friendship, so if you are trying to evolve a friendship mon, it's such a pain to buy enough if you happen to be short.

[indigo mango]

just go to a caffee

takes around 2-3 visits to max friendship

[robust wren]

Magenta sector 2, it's to the east of wild area 7/magenta plaza

[dim plover]

thx

[noble ice]

Make a Pokémon that could’ve been a little bit better part five.

They took his hands people. HIS HANDS!!!

[dim plover]

whos hands?

[noble ice]

Mega Excadrill

This Pokémon, ehhhh, it’s hard for me to say something bad about it, but I can’t say anything good about it either

It’s not a good mega but yet again, what could they have done?

[dim plover]

yeah thats Simon

[noble ice]

It would’ve been kind of cool if they did something like this with his mega

I like it those hands are like the rotary tricone drill bit things that you see on those type of drill machines

[dim plover]

yeah but that one has a ||"dick"||

and we already went through that with blaziken

[noble ice]

I guess I could’ve done it like that can be like help him dig through rock and Stone a lot better

[noble ice]

OK, I can see that

But hey, at least they made the shiny good

[dim plover]

real

[indigo mango]

i like it

[desert current]

If this was the official mega people would still complain about it.

People are hard to please.

[noble ice]

Ehh, you’re not wrong

[robust wren]

Didn't stop Mega Hawlucha

[desert current]

besides, that design kinda breaks Excadrill's gimmick of turning into a drill by putting its arms and head together

[indigo mango]

which only its mega even does

they added that form to its mega when doing drill run but not to the normal version

[tranquil nexus]

Huh? They literally just made its existing drill parts longer

[tranquil nexus]

It doesn’t animate that way, but that’s still its gimmick

[indigo mango]

for its mega ye

just saying in ZA they only gave that animation to the mega

[desert current]

https://tenor.com/view/excadrill-pokémon-excadrill-iris-pokémon-iris-drill-gif-26936288

That's weird because its always been meant to do that...

[trim badge]

Is anyone willing to help me complete the "evolving via link trade" requests? Idk how many I need to receive

I'm on 1 so far

[forest egret]

Yeah me, I would've disliked it

And I don't even like the one we got

[desert current]

Not really a fan of it either tbh

[forest egret]

No hate to the person who made it though. It's a cool drawing and better than what I could do

[robust wren]

Honestly I don't even know how I would make a good Mega for Excadrill. It kinda perfected its design concept already

[forest egret]

There was a fake one made a few months before the game's release and I liked that one

https://fxtwitter.com/CardnlH/status/1904943564435431667?s=20

CardnlH (@CardnlH)

Mega Excadrill Concept! #PokemonLegendsZA

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FxTwitter · Mar 26, 2025, 5:08 PM

[robust wren]

There are a lot of fans who can come up with Mega designs I prefer over the Gamefreak ones. For example, this design of Mega Skarmory:
https://x.com/Red_brb/status/1906133698459951171?s=20

Shu'la✨ (@Red_brb)

I found it strange that the description of mega skarmory corresponded to the color of the shiny, so when in doubt I also made a version in the classic colors!

X · Mar 29, 2025, 11:57 PM

[forest egret]

That's pretty cool

[tired crane]

That's way better then the real mega

[surreal belfry]

If excadrill’s drill was shrunk and it either didn’t have the thumb or let its fingers split I’d like it better
And skarmory I like but want the talons shrunk

[oblique mural]

https://tenor.com/view/gurren-lagann-giga-drill-break-fight-anime-gif-17170852

[worn cobalt]

The real mega was the friends we made along the way.

[unborn elm]

https://tenor.com/view/dunk-gif-21755298

This man or woman knows what they’re talking about

[worn cobalt]

So, my Drampa macro seems to work, but long enough in it will glitch and mess up. Wish I knew where the error occurs.

Still trying to get Em's shiny Drampa.

[worn cobalt]

@daring finch , I have a Shiny Drampa for you for later.

[slate juniper]

Is anyone on here willing to help me with a trade evolution for scyther? It's been in my main team for a bit I just want to evolve it and get it back?

[worn cobalt]

I can in a minute

[slate juniper]

Nice ty 😊

[worn cobalt]

Ready.

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[slate juniper]

Ok

@worn cobalt ty so much this helps alot

[worn cobalt]

No problem!

[slate juniper]

I've got a Shiney kakuna to offer in thanks if you want it

[worn cobalt]

I have plenty, don't worry.

[slate juniper]

@worn cobalt well then thanks again

[robust wren]

I've been trying to get an Alpha Snorunt for a bit, and it made me realize that Snorunt's shawl frequently clips into the back of its head when it runs

[worn cobalt]

Alpha or Shalpha? And male or female?

[robust wren]

Just Alpha for right now, and female

[worn cobalt]

I have an alpha female if you want.

[indigo mango]

alpha snorunts are almost a constent for me

[summer flare]

got around to getting online, took a chance w community trading my shiny kadabra, bc i didn't particularly care for it should i happen to lose it, and the person traded it back

faith restored

[worn cobalt]

Need any shinies? I have 150+ extras I don't need.

[summer flare]

honestly im about to get charm myself

[worn cobalt]

No worries. I just figure offer to friends before saving for the home wondervoid.

[summer flare]

LMAO

[worn cobalt]

And I'm willing to help people grind for shinies if they don't mind trading for one. I enjoy my grinds now.

I even got Eminemace one for when they get online again.

[wanton token]

Finally got my Boy!

[robust wren]

Heard the shiny jingle for the first time in this game, and it's on top of a building with a broken Holovator I can't fix right now 🙃

[desert current]

That's okay, it should still be there by the time you unlock it (unless you somehow manage to find like 10+ other shinies causing it to get overwritten).

Mark down the location and come back later ;3

[surreal belfry]

Snowball

[daring finch]

Oh thx! ill get switch online soonish

[willow kelp]

Happen to have a Charmander, froakie or beldum line shiny? 😅

[willow kelp]

Btw did they already have a release date for the dlc?

[wispy kernel]

December 10th

[willow kelp]

Oooh pretty soon, thanks

[tired crane]

Got a shiny hippopatas

It is... probably the most boring shiny I could have gotten

But it's the one I myself manuelly got

[worn cobalt]

Beldum, yes.

[robust wren]

How much of a chance do I have to reach rank S of Online play with a recently turned Level 50 story team? I just want to use Mega Delphox in my playthrough

[worn cobalt]

Try it. It might surprise you.

[willow kelp]

Would you be willing to trade it?

[willow kelp]

Pretty high I guess, if you spend enough time

[wispy kernel]

100%

you literally cannot lose points in ranked

you just keep going up

[worn cobalt]

Yeah. Let me get ready.

These are all my extra shinies right now. Barring one Beldum for Stefano.

[willow kelp]

Sorry, just now read this, you still available?

[worn cobalt]

Yes

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[willow kelp]

You want anything in return?

[worn cobalt]

Nope. Maybe an extra shiny

[willow kelp]

I'm searching

Thanks a lot

[worn cobalt]

No problem.

[willow kelp]

Was already starting to lose my head trying to get one myself 🙈

[worn cobalt]

Glad to keep you sane.

[willow kelp]

Have a great rest of your day!

[worn cobalt]

You too!

[hazy knot]

just found a shalpha bacon lucky

autocorrect, I meant bagon but close enough

[willow kelp]

I just tried to walk away from Lysander labs and heard a shiny noise..... Metang 😂

[hazy knot]

Ouppy!

[willow kelp]

What is the upside to putting EVs in defense/spec defense instead of HP? New to somewhat EV training/building pokemon

[wispy kernel]

a comparison:
252 Atk Sheer Force Darmanitan Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mew: 270-318 (66.8 - 78.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 Atk Sheer Force Darmanitan Flare Blitz vs. 0 HP / 252 Def Mew: 213-252 (62.4 - 73.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

theres probably gonna be some cases in which hp is better than defenses but in most scenarios you’d prefer defenses over hp

[willow kelp]

So HP would be better allround but actually be worse

If that makes sense

[wispy kernel]

increasing HP gives you more HP to lose but it doesnt actually reduce the damage you take

[wispy kernel]

252 Atk Sheer Force Darmanitan Flare Blitz vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mew: 270-318 (79.1 - 93.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO heres what it looks like with no hp or defense

[tawdry flame]

I just want a shiny meditite

[worn cobalt]

So close.

[wispy kernel]

you should hunt for it in zone 16 instead

you could also potentially get ampharos there the awesomest guy

[surreal belfry]

you could save that for later if i remember right?

[summer flare]

wait actually this is a great visualizer
might just buy a fuckton of pomegs and respec everyone that isn't a fat fuck specifically

[charred sage]

kind of?

a good way to put it is that HP helps you be overall bulkier even if your specific defenses are weaker

if you need something to live a specific kind of attack then investing in defense is a good idea like with Blissey's physical defense

in general investing in a lower stat is better since the EV increase is flat (at least it is in the normal games, dunno about ZA) so again, +63 to blissey's HP isn't exactly something to write home about but +63 to its defense is almost doubling it

whereas something like say, aggron has the reverse case where investing HP is better because its defense is already sky-high as it is

[summer flare]

THE WALL ‼️

[charred sage]

of course you can also just go full defensive with a 252/252 spread which I dunno how it'd go in ZA but is a good choice in the normal games

[jaunty comet]

Hey there, i might be late to the party but are you still offering any of your extra shinies? I can trade caps apriballs etc

[charred sage]

the main issue with anything I say though is that I don't know how speed factors into things with ZA but I usually just fully invest into HP anyway in gen 9 since speed matters little there for raids in cases where you aren't specifically countering something

[summer flare]

if you plan to use high cooldown moves, speed is usually preferred for most pokemon, but if the speed isn't going anywhere then just defense might do some good

[charred sage]

got it

[worn cobalt]

Sure. Open for anything. Anything on my screenshots you interested in?

[summer flare]

i forget the specific metric/ratio, but speed lowers move cooldown to max 3 sec i believe

bc it's not turn-based, so it applies to cooldown specifically

[jaunty comet]

A few things. I'll be home from work in a few hours if you are still available at the time

[worn cobalt]

Probably. And will probably have a few more extra shinies by then.

[summer flare]

the movement speed is affected by the species and weight itself i think, and stat buff moves affect movement

my beedrill has max speed invest, and i haven't noticed any increase in movement speed, for instance

so movement speed is likely irs own hidden, species-based stat

[unborn elm]

Speaking of ampharos

I booted him off the team to use mega starmie/patrick😔

[wispy kernel]

L

[unborn elm]

https://tenor.com/view/scared-child-gif-5550120584784460643

[summer flare]

Starman mention, favorite japanese superhero(?) thing

[unborn elm]

IM SORRY OK HES JUST BEEN SITTING THERE AND I NEED A WATER TYPE😭

[worn cobalt]

Anyone else need help shiny hunting?

[summer flare]

unfortunately same except amp did electroweb sometimes

[wispy kernel]

any advice for hunting stuff in zone 20?

[unborn elm]

Dude speedy seeing your profile gave me a flashback to when I used my shiny scolipede in that double battle with corbeu😭

[summer flare]

LITERALLY SAME