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[cyan gull]

@cedar quest

[cedar quest]

[eager wyvern]

I literally made a comet and didn't get podium

[cedar quest]

Pory exposing me

[eager wyvern]

rigged voting

[cedar quest]

[woven kettle]

Can't wait to hear people call it rigged

[cyan gull]

I WASN'T ALLOWED TO RIG IT THIS TIME

rigged!

[cedar quest]

LMAOO

[woven kettle]

By the way, Pory rigged it

[idle forge]

Lets go, the stupid idiot stuck in a rock I made got a spotlight!

[woven kettle]

He's trying to act like he didn't

[cyan gull]

I was going to pin it too

[eager wyvern]

nah 100% rigged, I put 5 carbinks and somehow didn't get podium with them being my best received sprites ever

[woven kettle]

Mhm

Maybe you just suck

[naive summit]

I actually wheezed when I noticed his body in the gem wont lie

[woven kettle]

[eager wyvern]

[broken robin]

This is unbelievable. I was just editing this

[woven kettle]

(I don't want to be rude, but I thought it was just horrible shading LMAO)

[idle forge]

Bruh 😤 (it’s fine lol)

[woven kettle]

I gave it a 1

[subtle moss]

3 of my entries were around the 40 points mark, two of them around the lower 30's. I'm satisfied.

[worthy turtle]

Nice

My jumpluff got a bunch of fours

[woven kettle]

How much longer for the Kalos contest?

Hmm

Let's see

[worthy turtle]

But where sandslash

[woven kettle]

1 day

[worthy turtle]

I'm sure I submitted my sandslash

[woven kettle]

I'm not making that

[worthy turtle]

What happened

[woven kettle]

Oh well, next contest

[sly shuttle]

71st place
And 3/3 positive comment

[regal palm]

Six 3's and five 2's tough crowd

[cedar quest]

The Volc was fire

[tulip tusk]

ayyy necrozma bink body lets go, silly little guy

[worthy turtle]

90th place

[eager wyvern]

not good enough apparently :(

[worthy turtle]

Not my worst clearly

But what happened to my sandslash

[subtle moss]

Curious stat spread.

[cedar quest]

The gems were super good, but the rocky body imo was too textured, didn't look super great, and only distracted from ur good gems

[eager wyvern]

my highest rated one, and somehow not podium worthy

[worthy turtle]

It's in the drive

But I didn't see it in the results

[broken robin]

competition was fierce

I did not enter

[hollow grove]

Good job everyone!!!

[naive summit]

im the first column AMA

[signal nexus]

Damn. I’m gonna have to wait another hour to see the results, as I’m having trouble viewing them on mobile

[eager wyvern]

I firmly believe contests are rigged because these have been my highest rated sprites ever in spritework and I didn't even get podium

smh

[cedar quest]

found it @worthy turtle

[worthy turtle]

Thanks

Why couldn't I find it

[woven kettle]

It was hiding from you

[rich hemlock]

My first 2

[stable dirge]

What did my Umbreon do to deserve 2 2's?

[eager wyvern]

nothing, vote was clearly rigged

[woven kettle]

No idea

It looked great from what I saw

[regal palm]

[worthy turtle]

Can't believe I missed a couple stray pixels

[stable dirge]

And a 2 on my Lucario? I'm genuinely confused

[worthy turtle]

I haven't done that in ages

[naive summit]

fwiw it was really stiff competition

[limpid sphinx]

congrats @wary canopy !

[cloud solstice]

as a reminder 2 is neutral not bad

[naive summit]

also 2 is neutral/average, 3 is good

[signal nexus]

Oh there we go. #154 wheeeeee

[woven kettle]

Is it?

I thought 3 was good

Wait

Fuck

[minor roost]

damn while checking the votes i must say everyone cooked damn

[woven kettle]

I thought 3 was neutral

[cedar quest]

3 is good

2 is neutral

[regal palm]

I'm not mad, just a bit...deflated that I still couldn't get my scores all to 3 at least

[cyan gull]

I'm the one that put bonk diagonally, feel free to question why I'm bad at judging

[woven kettle]

Because you

SUCK

[cloud solstice]

infinite bonk

[sly shuttle]

B
O
N
K

[cedar quest]

I made my 0 invisible there so it could be a giant box

[merry mica]

[cedar quest]

Bonk

[woven kettle]

You.

[merry mica]

me : >

[daring adder]

All I’ll say is that some of the judges have slightly questionable tastes based on reading my and most of the others comments

[woven kettle]

You'll pay

[minor roost]

truly a moment

[limpid sphinx]

im gonna find u The Band and Death Cab for Cutie

[limpid sphinx]

lmao

[stable dirge]

I mean it's hard to say 'average' when 2/5 is quitely literally below average. I'm not trying to throw like a whole hissy fit I'm not too bothered but. I like to think I did better than 2
@whole arrow finna join your Not A 2/5 Club

[signal nexus]

I’ll have to get a better screenshot when I’m at home, but unfortunately pyrite is just Like That™️

[eager wyvern]

only thing i've learned from this contest is that I should not submit to another contest because my best rated sprites ever aren't good enough for podium

[limpid sphinx]

Not a 2/5 Carbink Spriter

[sly shuttle]

0 1 2 3 4 5
It’s close

[naive summit]

technically 2.5 is average ig if you want to be specific

[cedar quest]

yeag

[tired jay]

[stable dirge]

yea this haha

[cyan gull]

[merry mica]

glad the judges had fun scoring mine lmao

[daring adder]

Yeah I’m gonna pass on future contests, not mad at all but I didn’t get that much constructive critique either, just glad both of my entries had someone say “the concept was fun” which is really what I’m all about

[cyan gull]

I think we should start doing votes either 0 or 1

if it's 0 you never sprite again

[minor roost]

seems fair

[cedar quest]

and if it's a 1

[limpid sphinx]

so i recommend you dont join the contests

[cedar quest]

you never sprite again anyways

[signal nexus]

Ehhhh
Technically, the scale is 0-5, where the possible scores are 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5
So 2 and 3 are both average

[merry mica]

ALSO WHO GAVE MY POOR LITTLE CARBONK A 1 😭

[woven kettle]

Me

[tulip tusk]

sprite contest ends and it's binary that says "your mother" or something

[limpid sphinx]

pfffffff

[naive summit]

its also worth noting that with so many entries, some judges tried to be a bit stricter on their 4's and 5's

[sly shuttle]

Binary voting all the way!!

[cloud solstice]

comments are 0 so it's on the higher votes for yours

[icy jasper]

didn't picture this as an imp while making it, but it fits I guess

[hollow grove]

Yea me 2 im coming for u death cab and I will NOT posses ur heart and this is NOT the sound of settling!!!!!

[cyan gull]

infinity>>>>>>>>>>1

[stable dirge]

That's a really hard pill to swallow for me when I know I put Above Average sprites in but! Happy my other 2 sprites got a lot closer to the podium.

[tired jay]

It appears I won this showdown

[limpid sphinx]

lmaoooo

i know who it is i am just kidding XD

[sharp ice]

I know that I was getting this one done last minute, but I'm kind of surprised I didn't notice the boxed-in look issue beforehand.

[cyan gull]

we have been talking about a different judging scale, but anything else is way harsher

[hollow grove]

Ik same, those r death cab song names xD

[limpid sphinx]

0-10 scale when

[signal nexus]

I guess the way I’d think of it is look at the competition
Look at who else got 2s and 3s!

[cyan gull]

bad

[eager wyvern]

i still can't believe one of my sprites that had 4's across the board, with 2 5's isn't deserving of podium

like I dare you to say that to this lil guy's face
ruin the lil sylveonbink's day

[limpid sphinx]

btw dont forget the gallery post

[stable dirge]

I'm seeing a lot of other sprites where those 2s are also very confusing to me lol

[cyan gull]

https://tenor.com/view/kicking-inter-miami-cf-kick-the-ball-hit-the-ball-strong-gif-17411163

[limpid sphinx]

now i have all the podium roles lets go

[eager wyvern]

[woven kettle]

Good for you

[cyan gull]

well, if it was me you know where to find my votes

[subtle moss]

Can anyone explain to me what the third comment means. What's a facet mean in this context?

[idle forge]

I can’t believe that this one was my highest rated fusion, it’s practically just a color swap and took me like 10 minutes

[limpid sphinx]

say i already know u hate me chill bro

[subtle moss]

Sometimes me not english good

[woven kettle]

Huh?

I never said I hate you?

[stable dirge]

which column again?

[cyan gull]

[spring hemlock]

the rivets that hold the hammer in place

[cyan gull]

3rd

I think

the one with the diagonal bonk

[spring hemlock]

those three little buttons on the front

[stable dirge]

Oh! You're Rammstein?

[cyan gull]

Rammstein

[naive summit]

I'm the first column btw so feel free to ask me abt anything or come at me with pitchforks

[cyan gull]

ye

[broken robin]

I think its the way the crystal is broken into sections

[signal nexus]

😌 exactly
It’s a comparative scale! The number matters less than what others you are shared with!

[minor roost]

didn't except this guy to be my most liked entry but we take those

[stable dirge]

You! You're the 2 on my Lucario!
You weren't impressed??

[blissful kindle]

CARBINK IS REAAAAAAL

[cyan gull]

https://www.fusiondex.org/189.146/ do this

[eager wyvern]

[limpid sphinx]

then chill and lemme be happy

[woven kettle]

I am.

[limpid sphinx]

cool

[blissful kindle]

@wary canopy LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOO YOU DESERVED THAT WIN

[subtle moss]

ah, those. I see.

[woven kettle]

I'm happy for you

[eager wyvern]

only 2 you gave me howls was on my favourite one

[limpid sphinx]

mhm

[blissful kindle]

okie dokie

[cloud solstice]

it's a very high score, ppl in the podium got almost all 5 for comparison
but tbf I don't think there hase been so many sprites with that much 5s in a contest before

[subtle moss]

well, I think fixing it is beyond my skill level so I'm just gonna upload it as it is

[naive summit]

its really cute!!! I'd give it a 2.5 if decimals were options But the shading is very pillowed and banded, and that takes away a lot for me

[blissful kindle]

I, too, want to know about Lucario

[hollow grove]

My first podium u guys i tried so freaking hard omggg

[woven kettle]

Congrats

[cyan gull]

I'm looking for it

[hollow grove]

https://tenor.com/view/nigelthornberryvp-nigel-nigel-thornberry-kamala-harris-we-did-it-joe-gif-20034998

[naive summit]

here u go

[limpid sphinx]

well deserved 😛

[blissful kindle]

I can't believe my highest ranked sprite was my Carbink body instead of the 4 carbink heads I did and spent 4 times more time on 💀

[limpid sphinx]

well i am just happy that i am not paranoic

[blissful kindle]

Simplicity is key my dudes

[limpid sphinx]

yknow

[blissful kindle]

Don't bother spending 8 hours on one gem

it will not matter in contests

[regal palm]

[cedar quest]

instead just do what I did

and not finish your entry on time

[naive summit]

dont participate?

ez gg

[limpid sphinx]

btw

[cyan gull]

oh yeah this, between the gem shading feeling more like ice than rock, and the rewird smooth face, this sprite lost me

[limpid sphinx]

new contest announce today or nah

[sly shuttle]

You just need to make 1 perfect entry

[limpid sphinx]

?

its already 1 day b4 the deadline xd

[naive summit]

the competition for carbink heads was absolutely insane 😭

[blissful kindle]

With my crazy week I might not be able do participate on Kalos even though I claimed two concepts for the occasion, I feel bad

[eager wyvern]

moral of the story for contests, throw away that complex & difficult idea, just make something that doesn't actually put your spriting to the test :3

[blissful kindle]

🙏

[woven kettle]

Exactly

People need to get that

[cloud solstice]

kalos isn't over yet

[regal palm]

I still get mostly 2's

[woven kettle]

Contests are made for fun, and to see what your creativity can do

[sly shuttle]

Stick with what you’re good at for contests

[woven kettle]

Creativity is better than quality

Even if these scores suck

[naive summit]

both is good

[eager wyvern]

i stuck with what i was good at (Gems & Stone textures) and didn't get podium :3

[blissful kindle]

I made the Jumpluff head like I always do, I didn't try to make it over the top, I just made my friend with pure love 🙏

Love won

[stable dirge]

Ah, the face being like Carbink's with a smol snout didn't work for you as opposed to just keeping Lucario's head structure intact?

[limpid sphinx]

as a mime jr you should read more @cloud solstice

[blissful kindle]

[cyan gull]

moral of the story is that a bribe with me will get you far

[cloud solstice]

nah

[cyan gull]

it definitely threw me off

[eager wyvern]

transbink bribe to get a recount and have this in the podium

[sharp ice]

what kind of bribe we talkin

[stable dirge]

I see. Thank u

[blissful kindle]

Bruh I can't use my love for Jumpluff/Delphox mine is a collab so it's not elligible

[limpid sphinx]

fair

[cyan gull]

what do you have?

[cyan gull]

[blissful kindle]

Kinda wanted to spotlight this one as Carbody, it's so cute, but Eevee had those cute evo stones

[sly shuttle]

Just take all of the credit

[sharp ice]

$20 and a few college-brand highlighters.

[spring hemlock]

honestly, for the fact that i had NO clue what i was doing with that rock texture, im very pleased with this judgement :)

[blissful kindle]

I'm a fraud but not a thief

[cyan gull]

my major is comp sci, I need not highlighters

[cloud solstice]

doing it random can work wonder sometimes

[cyan gull]

unless they're scented

[sharp ice]

https://tenor.com/view/pika-pikachu-gif-24936011

[regal palm]

Oh so you need some Programming Socks™️?

[eager wyvern]

should've submitted this, probably would've won :3

[spring hemlock]

i was just scared to busy up the sprite 😖 i wanted it to be simple enough

[blissful kindle]

-# btw @cyan gull why requesting Moltres out of the blue?

[cyan gull]

I was looking for inspo and rolled into it

saved it to send to you, then you typed

so I shot it

[stable dirge]

I would now like to ask "Motionless in White" and "The King and the Jester" why they gave my Umbreon a 2.
No beef, I genuinely just wanna know if there was something y'all disliked or if it was just Not As Cool as the other entries

[crystal folio]

can't tell if my aerodactyl made it in, been somewhat slow in adding my stuff to the gallery so I might have missed the window

[blissful kindle]

boom boom, pull my devil trigger

[cloud solstice]

it didn't 😔

[eager wyvern]

I'm kinda mad the submissions ended before golisopod was announced as I totally could've submitted this had it waited like 2 days

[crystal folio]

rip

[regal palm]

Rip

[idle forge]

Rip

[stable dirge]

rip

[tired jay]

Rip

[spring hemlock]

rip

[crude cedar]

rip

[eager wyvern]

rip

[cyan gull]

this was such a tough competition oml

[spring hemlock]

PORY BROKE THE CHAINNN

[cyan gull]

(I'm neither of those )

[crystal folio]

^^^beyblade tournament above

[cloud solstice]

if goli get a contest you can still submit it

[idle forge]

You broke the rip

[cyan gull]

rip

[limpid sphinx]

you can submit it for the future golisopod contest tho 😉

[cloud solstice]

sniped datorre again

[idle forge]

You can’t just try and restart it now!

[cyan gull]

rip

[cloud solstice]

rip

[limpid sphinx]

wat

oh get it

[minor roost]

Rip the rip

[cyan gull]

rip

[idle forge]

Rip the rip

[cyan gull]

rip

[spring hemlock]

we broke pory

[stable dirge]

TBH this is why i think a 1-10 voting scale would be more appropriate. Bc I can get it if they would give Jojo's Milotic a 4 and putting it next to my Umbreon they're just not as impressed by the design itself.

[tired jay]

When do we bring the spam rule out for Pory?

[cedar quest]

yea this was supposed to happen

but I got sick

will announce tomorrow

[idle forge]

Stop pory, the rip died long ago, you need to let go of your grief

[cyan gull]

you think 2/5 is bad, get ready for 4/10

[cyan gull]

rip

[idle forge]

Your being delusional

[harsh obsidian]

rip open the bag

[cyan gull]

https://tenor.com/view/beyblade-tyson-granger-gif-19697788

got it to go, all is good

[harsh obsidian]

It has popcorn in it

[lofty skiff]

2 Necrozma in the top selection? We're eating well

[idle forge]

Rip cord

[harsh obsidian]

The caramel type

[spring hemlock]

0 spinda on the podium

[stable dirge]

4/10 allows people to get a lot more specific lol. So it should hurt more than 2/5

[spring hemlock]

something is wrong

[idle forge]

0 sableyes

[eager wyvern]

add wooloo to the game and make the contest submissions only last long enough for me to get 1 submission in

easy win

[spring hemlock]

real eyes realize sableyes

[eager wyvern]

:3

[idle forge]

Yes

[limpid sphinx]

ok bae hope you get better soon

[spring hemlock]

welp, i feel like i have a better chance of getting podium with kalos, but overall super happy with results anyways :)

[silent jasper]

I'm a bit confused by this comment on my entry. The transparency was intentional.

[icy rivet]

@cedar quest Question about the results post:
WHAT HAPPENED TO CARBINK???
Thing reads fine until it mentions he vanished. Then the next two paragraphs appear to be a flashback. Then the end of contest statement.
Where is the rock bunny that you described as formerly abandoned?

[broken robin]

sableye ate him. SAD. well theres other pokemon

[spring hemlock]

i go away now REMBER TO PARTICIPATE IN MAGIKARP MYSTERIES ❤️❤️

[sly gorge]

Mostly 3s

Guess I can live with that

[naive summit]

some staff still have outdated opinions on transparency in sprites or just generally don't like it

[ashen sapphire]

gotta love being on the podium with three different sprites nishishi~

[silent jasper]

Ungh

[sly gorge]

On mobile so I can't send the actual sprite but anyone willing to tell me what I did wrong here?

[ashen sapphire]

jaggy outlines in several places

really the lack of smooth lineart is the only issue I see

[crystal folio]

maybe having the headdress bits more visibly seperate at the tips would help with the ice thing

[naive summit]

I suck at spriting and also explaining so I can't really help with how to make the gems look more like gems and less like ice

[tranquil fable]

I GOT 34TH PLACE LESGOOO

[cedar quest]

Well....

[crystal folio]

quick cruddy edit

[cedar quest]

Truth be told

This time around, it's meant to be a lil' open ended

In case of something

[tranquil fable]

Litwick/Carbink - 34th place
Carbink/Leafeon - 66th place
Carbink/Swinub - 83rd place
Carbink/Gallade - 95th place

[naive summit]

the carbink died

rip carbink

[stable dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-squirtle-laugh-gif-17959905

he got eaten

[naive summit]

(it fused with the amaura from the sail fossil and thats our winner)

[cedar quest]

No Carbink isn't dead

Wandered off...somewhere

[cyan gull]

I loved the top 2 so much

[cedar quest]

Might find something, might not.

[naive summit]

[tranquil fable]

Overall pretty good scores, I'm happy with it :) (all of them are on the top 50% aswell)

[icy rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/gale-gale-of-waterdeep-bg3-baldurs-gate3-gif-19515511

[naive summit]

it wandered out of sight just long enough for Sableye to monch it

[cedar quest]

Who knows? I don't

[harsh obsidian]

Quick chat! Think of every unadded mon that could be connected to this!

[naive summit]

a cruel, harsh world

[naive summit]

ITS PIKACHU

[stable dirge]

might find... Diancie?
Diancie confirmed #cope

[tired jay]

Gabite typically get them first if I'm not mistaken

[naive summit]

maybe the Gible/Sableye fusion got to it

[cyan gull]

how did you know we're adding WarGreyMon...

https://tenor.com/view/digimon-anime-gif-22697584

[harsh obsidian]

I didn’t, but you just gave yourself away

[naive summit]

Pory you fool!

Frog will have to ban you now

[cyan gull]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1063224705479348274/1188978768153428049/pain-beatingfloor.gif

[stable dirge]

Spoilers!!!

[icy rivet]

If we get WarGreymon, we get MetalGarurumon too because they’re linked

[harsh obsidian]

Maybe carbink will find that missing kid from that one contest series

You know the one

[icy rivet]

I don’t really follow the contests. Which?

[cyan gull]

[blissful kindle]

I think it would have maybe gathered a 5, some 3s and a lot of 4s, the pose is good, the rocks are awesome, and the gems are pretty nice though a bit jagged, it has no fluff though losing some recognizability,

[woven kettle]

It died

😔

[harsh obsidian]

#event-announcements message

Didn’t expect I would have to scroll so far back lol

[blissful kindle]

They didn't know, I saw that car crash in slow motion It's impossible for you to tell the judges it's intentional, they should have put the dots together, but it's also the risk on playing with transparency when it's not obviously intentional

[harsh obsidian]

Anyway, it would be nice if the carbink found that kid

||even if it’s in the afterlife ||

[little cypress]

||I think this needs to be written somewhere FINALLY because intentional transparency confuses a lot of people and the lack of clear guidance obviously makes judging contests objectively somewhat of a coin toss||

[cedar quest]

Not a bad theory, but there is a hole.

That series takes place in Johto, and here we are explicitly in Mt. Moon

[harsh obsidian]

Ah

Well, meeting in the afterlife is still a theory then/hj

[icy rivet]

Never said how far he wandered

[cedar quest]

It's not dead, the bink is alive

[icy rivet]

Who knows? Carbink can move. Maybe he found himself in Johto

[harsh obsidian]

Carbonk’s power transcends life and death, he can cross the boundary

[icy rivet]

And bonk it

[harsh obsidian]

Hey, the regions are connected

There’s no ocean between them

[clever field]

Thank you so much for the honorable mention the funny thing is my Sableye fusion was incredibly last minute and i spent nearly a week on that belly gem

[woven kettle]

They were awesome

[naive summit]

that one and the carbink/voltorb were my favorites for gem shading

they're so sparkly and pretty

[tulip tusk]

goobers...

[signal nexus]

nothin but 2s and 3s 😌
mostly 2s
yeah, unfortunately, pyrite is just Like That™️ (see below) so it'd be a matter of sacrificing recognizability for color.
My thinking was that a player would encounter my sprite, maybe be confused for a moment, then check the fusion and find themselves tickled at the concept. Because yeah, a false representation of a precious metal. (Which is why, unless we get a pokemon made of gold, i feel it makes more sense for carbink). So I was really checking whether the pyrite came across, and that seems like a strong yes

[clever field]

That's such a neat concept! Contest judging often prioritizes sprite readability over conceptual fusions, but for what it is I'd say it's a great execution

[heady panther]

Yippee

I got a higher rating than I usually get

[signal nexus]

The trick to enjoying contests is to approach them with such an attitude that will be satisfied whether you get first place or last ☝️🤓

[heady panther]

Would show the fusion but I'm on my phone

[heady panther]

Don't even care that I didn't even come close to first

[signal nexus]

this was mostly bouncing off James' comment, heh

[heady panther]

One of the judges also said it's the carbine of they're nightmares

That's a win for me

[signal nexus]

sounds like success to me

[heady panther]

Another liked the affect on the eye

May not be able to show the fusion but it's trevenant/carbink

[signal nexus]

wonder what the most polarizing sprite is
the one that got the widest range of scores

lol, these comments from the peanut gallery

[random girder]

finally

a damm 4

[naive summit]

the Carbink/Flygon was oddly controversial for judges I noticed

[heady panther]

Tbh I only looked at my sprites

[signal nexus]

here's the man himself

[signal nexus]

i'm currently scrolling through now that i've made the commentary on my own 😌

[signal nexus]

the bulbasaur got a wide range of scores, too

[woven kettle]

It truly was the Carbink from my nightmares

[heady panther]

That means I did my job well

[woven kettle]

I can't sleep now

Help me I know it's outside my window

[heady panther]

It's hiding in the trees

It's waiting for you to sleep

[mortal void]

It's making its way downtown

[signal nexus]

someone photoshop in the caption "SOON"

[acoustic saddle]

best

[signal nexus]

i like how it got a 5 only because the judges had fun saying "bonk" rather than giving scores

[naive summit]

true, my 4 was because I was overwhlemingly in love with how hecking adorable it was but execution-wise it needed work

[signal nexus]

buneary? that can't be right

[naive summit]

drifblim

[tired jay]

That 353

[naive summit]

its called misnumbering

the sprite is very clearly drifblim lmao

if dex is weird and annoying

[signal nexus]

yeah. 402 is drifloon

[tired jay]

It would cause more issues to fix it at this point

[acoustic saddle]

damm the scroring is tight

[signal nexus]

less controversial than the bulbasaur because of the abundance of 2s, but still a wide range

[signal nexus]

and it's not like the official dex doesn't have its weirdnesses - elekid being nowhere near electabuzz, for one

well yeah? carbink^2 making diancie seems obvious to me. as obvious as using the gigantamax or mega forms

[naive summit]

only in national dex, in regional dexes like IF's would technically be, they'd be next to each other

[signal nexus]

another with a wide spread of scores

[acoustic saddle]

i think it look neat

why such low

[signal nexus]

a question a lot of folks have asked 😔

[acoustic saddle]

i think many small mon was rather given slow score

even thought they r great

[whole arrow]

W i l d. Oh well it's all for fun right

[acoustic saddle]

its all about surviving of the fitness

[whole arrow]

Contests don't matter dark blue name doesn't matter.

[acoustic saddle]

i gueas at least mods like my hot tub

[whole arrow]

Dm me your score

[acoustic saddle]

: v did u made any entry

[whole arrow]

I actually missed the deadline because I wasn't paying enough attention. LMAO

[acoustic saddle]

i cant take all scores on mobile

[signal nexus]

don't even need a dm

[signal nexus]

what fusion would you have submitted?

[acoustic saddle]

damm 55 is max

[whole arrow]

I can't possibly imagine what would have turned those fives into fours

[acoustic saddle]

so ribbon got a full house

[woven kettle]

No

Tie breaker

[whole arrow]

I feel like ribbon innovated the hardest and deserve the win easily.

[acoustic saddle]

so 54

[woven kettle]

They were all good, and they all deserved it

[whole arrow]

I thought JoJo would take a higher spot

[acoustic saddle]

but still 1 point extra from title make it a full house

[woven kettle]

I gave it a 4 on purpose

[signal nexus]

conceptual contest when

[woven kettle]

We just had a concept contest

[signal nexus]

👀 how far back do i have to scroll?

[acoustic saddle]

smh

[woven kettle]

#event-announcements message

Not that far

[whole arrow]

2/5 concept details probably won't Sprite

[woven kettle]

2/5 Man

[acoustic saddle]

can i sprite it?

[whole arrow]

I think you can do anything

[acoustic saddle]

i will sprite it then

[signal nexus]

ah, so more concept art than a conceptual fusion

[woven kettle]

Oh I see

[acoustic saddle]

:v was it the kiddy pool

[woven kettle]

What's your definition of a conceptual fusion?

[signal nexus]

i was bouncing off this comment: #event-general message

[woven kettle]

I see

[signal nexus]

water fixture 😌

[whole arrow]

sprite form

[acoustic saddle]

:0 cool idea

[acoustic saddle]

thats good :0

[woven kettle]

It was a nice concept, it was just hard to read as a fusion yeah

[whole arrow]

I almost did this, but then i saw the other 4 horses and gave up that idea 💀

[acoustic saddle]

do u want me to finish it?

[signal nexus]

mine tend to be more idea-based than execution-based 😅 (like mimikyu as pyrite, or a torterra/carbink that's a cross-section of the earth, and i'm working on oricorios/carbink where each style has gem inclusions of different crystal habits)
so i'm trying to rig a contest where that's an advantage and not a disadvantage

[woven kettle]

Honestly one day, I wouldn't mind a creative contest. Where all the judging is based off how creative you are, rather than quality and creativeness

[whole arrow]

another NTM win for deep theming

[woven kettle]

Of course still followng the guidelines, but I feel a big issue we have lately is people making these really detailed works of art in hopes to win, instead of for fun

This includes all the complaining about the judging, and the concept art contest

[acoustic saddle]

but not every one can tell the creativeness of the idea, look at the fool-gold minikyu, not untill one mod realized the idea behind the sprite, other mod just see the concept as it was, simple rock with weird color

[signal nexus]

Sprites That Make You Thonk contest
like that ratgrigus

[woven kettle]

I think a good way to help with that, is to try to see if we can get the spriter to explain what's so creative about it

Maybe a Forms

[acoustic saddle]

some idea might on the nose, but some require knowledge about the theme too, even if u want to google about the idea, you still need to know what to type in the search bar
i think a creativeness contest is great, thou it not very great when your idea was lost during the judging process

[signal nexus]

~~don't actually set up a Thonk contest on my behalf. i am a 🐌 of a spiter and probably wouldn't make it ~~
but it does seem like a more conceptual contest might help with the problem of getting so many over-detailed sprites designed to win 🤔 not sure if it would help with the "instead of for fun" part of the equation, but at least it'd nudge different incentives, perhaps?

[acoustic saddle]

a simple design will still lost to big unga bunga thou

[woven kettle]

In the end we can't get rid of that issue

[mortal void]

just do the size limit contest again

[woven kettle]

People will make sprites just to win

[mortal void]

it does feel really bitter in here post contest though just saying

I don’t see any winners and think damn how did that get on the podium, they all look worthy of it

[signal nexus]

open up contests only to sprites that have just been completed in the past week
with a bit of wiggle room for sprites nearing completion
guaranteed made for fun, then 😌

[mortal void]

if people are only spriting to win that’s really very sad but I never got that vibe from a lot of the winning ones, they seem to have a lot of life and fun put into them (it’s often why I don’t feel cheated when I lose, it’s like..look at what I lost to! Damn!)

I do think coming up with new contest formats seems fun but I worry about the attitude, it feels like bad bitter vibes almost I may be wrong just personal observation

[signal nexus]

yeah. i was encouraging someone above
don't look at the number - look at what you're placed with!

[signal nexus]

new contest formats also get the creative juices flowing in folks stagnant for ideas. i found something similar going on with themed writing contests, even if i didn't manage to complete or win them

[limber holly]

Nice, 51 points for my faberge egg :D

[signal nexus]

as for the bitterness afterwards - i'm not sure that's something that can be solved unless you get rid of scores entirely, and i feel like a lot of participants would feel cheated if you did do that

[mortal void]

Yeah, I’d love to see new formats and enjoy the challenge! I just worry some people might only want them to try and sprite or trick people who consistently sprite well because they don’t want to compete with them? that’s not so cool if so, but new formats in general? Sure!

Ngl I totally want the small sprite one back again not just because I came close in that one but because I enjoy making little guys

[limber holly]

I knew there was no way I was gonna compete with all those gorgeous head fusions, so I was kinda half-hoping I'd get in the top 3 body fusions at least. Got second out of them so i'm satisfied

[hollow grove]

This and the miltank were my favorite carbonk bods 💙💙💙

[whole arrow]

contests should have easily understood rules every single time

[mortal void]

well yeah that just goes without saying, otherwise it’s not ran well

[signal nexus]

or at least the judges should be clear about what criteria they're using

[hollow grove]

I am about 2 officially suggest a specific change in judging, stay tuned yall

[mortal void]

It would be nice to see a run down of what judges look for, like a guide for judges to use and also for competitors to know what to expect? Don’t pageants and pet shows and other competitions do similar things?

[signal nexus]

'cause i was gonna add - the second-best thing to removing scores entirely would be that all the judges give constructive feedback on each sprite
which would massively lag response time, tbh

[whole arrow]

👀 🫴 me with my yes ready to vote yes probably

[mortal void]

I feel like a wider spectrum for scoring along with some judging criteria would help. Like 0-10 instead of 5, since there are so many ties

[whole arrow]

You mean win conditions?

[woven kettle]

I will say, I love the Smeargle head

[whole arrow]

Yeah those should be clear every single time too

[woven kettle]

The paint was so awesome and it was so cute

[signal nexus]

might be a side-effect of this starting as a fun project with winners only for fun vs an actual contest

[mortal void]

Nothing so solid, but a list of stuff that will be important to judges on a basic level, and made clear to people

[signal nexus]

not sure it would help the hurt feelings, though
see: how 2/5 vs 4/10 feels

[mortal void]

Yeah, I think even in the less than I year I’ve been here participation in contests has boomed haha could do with some more structure to cope I think

[limber holly]

I also really loved the smeargle/carbink

[woven kettle]

Same

[mortal void]

Hurt feelings are a different issue and unfortunately not a judge problem that sounds so harsh but it’s true, so long as the judges are being fair. I feel like for example a 10 scale would have more nuance. A sprite that is a 5/5 might be a 9/10, a sprite that is 3/5 might actually end up 4/10 or 6/10 it can vary more and cause less ties

I feel like judges might enjoy the freedom more than a direct benefit for competitors but who knows, just a thought

I like detailed feedback so I’d enjoy a more nuanced scale at a least anyways, even if I did badly haha

[naive summit]

Recognizability, execution, creativity are the big ones, if you want just an extremely basic level.

but the judges vary in preferance to those things. Some value the fusion being recognizable over everything else, for example. Some will give you a literal 0 if you resized wrong or missed a basic spriting guideline or if they can't figure out the fused mons.

It's never going to be 100% consistent across every judge though. If it was, then we'd literally only need 1 judge because otherwise every score would be identical

[signal nexus]

better idea
a 0-5 scale, but you add 5 to each score
so a 5/5 would be given a 10, a 2/5 would be given a 7

[mortal void]

Yeah I get it, I have a vague idea of what’s looked for, also why I prefer judged contests over community polls because those confuse me I don’t understand their whims, and I get no feedback so it feels wasteful to me. I was speaking more for giving some newer spriters who might be unsure an idea of how it works, some people seem very lost about it

[mortal void]

And nobody scores below 5? feels very friendly haha

[signal nexus]

everyone scores above average

[mortal void]

Big brain all hurt feelings are solved haha

[acoustic saddle]

then 5 would be the utter lowest point

[acoustic saddle]

:0 congrat

[signal nexus]

indeed 😌

[acoustic saddle]

so nothing changed

[signal nexus]

it's a nicer number to look at 😌

[plucky arch]

lets gooooo my legacy

[little cypress]

||It’s every contest too. Basically like clockwork, results are posted and there’s a TON of negative comments whereas I’d love to see more congratulations to winners and requests for tips or improvements for future contests. But this is a normal problem when you have contests, people get too caught up in winning and miss the true goal: improving and making more amazing sprites for PIF.||

[acoustic saddle]

@merry mica cant believe some one would give 1 to

:v let be honest here, once u saw some entry, u already know u cant beat it anyways, it will discourage people a lot

[signal nexus]

same thing happened in the new pokemon discussion when the results came in for kommo-o

[acoustic saddle]

what happened

[signal nexus]

whinging
whinging as far as the eye can see

[acoustic saddle]

oh its only human

[signal nexus]

you can't beat it, but you can bonk it 😌

[acoustic saddle]

:v i still dont like kommo o, hard mon

[acoustic saddle]

[acoustic saddle]

carbonk should have won

[signal nexus]

carbonk won the coveted last place 🏆

[little cypress]

So this has actually been done for two prior contests: both of the Dex entry contests had very clear parameters, set in advance as well as how judging was done being explained afterward, too.
It didn’t help. People made basic mistakes that were explicitly mentioned in the rules announcing the contest; hell there were even submissions in the second contest that weren’t qualified for entry based on the very limiting parameters for said contest. (Specific Pokémon had to be used and there were quite a few that just didn’t use them at all.)

There was also a suggestion about this somewhere already, and it was too unrealistic to accomplish. The biggest issue is that different people see different things, and in a lot of cases none of them are wrong. That’s why having multiple judges is better: each new perspective can actually add to the overall, instead of detracting.
I do think having each judge score it separately (on a blank document, without influence from seeing the other scores) might make it slightly more fair (blind-study style), but that would only work with experienced judges. Newer judges likely wouldn’t do well.

Also, while it is ideal to have feedback on every sprite written for every contest, the last Elusive Dex event had about the same number of entries (200) and was delayed, and people were INSANELY impatient. Plus, nearly every entry had feedback, and it still wasn’t enough, there were still complaints about not getting feedback for the few sprites that didn’t have comments.

Truly I think that expectations should be set in advance by the teams running the event. Much like work projects, there should be a goal set for a deadline and amount of feedback given on the entry sheet, but those should include consideration for delays and life getting in the way.
Without setting the expectation, everyone will have different expectations they want and most people won’t be happy. That’s just how stuff like this, left unclear, will work.

[plucky arch]

as to the blind thing, i do know, at least back when i was staff, many of them would make it blind themselves, just positioning it to where they couldnt see the other scores

ofc that could be different now

i was one

[little cypress]

It’s great if they chose to do that themselves, but that’s unreliable. It needs to be consistently enforced for it to be experimentally viable.

If that’s the goal, I mean

[plucky arch]

fair and understandable

[limpid sphinx]

damn what a wall of text

[mortal void]

I am about to sleep so cannot reply to this wall thoroughly but I wanted to let you know I have read it and do agree

[limpid sphinx]

im gonna wait for the film adaptation

🫡

[little cypress]

You can always reply later (tomorrow) or DM me any time if you want to chat more
Get some rest!

[naive summit]

I mean the tl;dr is people don't read, and also people will complain no matter what, esp if they dont win

such is the way of contests

there's way the format could improve for sure, but its never gonna make everyone happy

[acoustic saddle]

there is no prefect solution, :v blind judge would be good, but some detail/theme can only be seen by some judge, that might help the grading overall

[broken robin]

I think losing with grace is important…

[naive summit]

honestly the easiest way to blind judge would just to have judges hide their column when they're done

it takes a click or two

[broken robin]

Like when I place lower than expected in a contest I just. Say nothing. Like, it just comes across as a bit disrespectful if you start arguing about the score

[acoustic saddle]

thou i think it better just to give an average score rather than separate score, so u cant located what mod give what score,

[naive summit]

could probs do that next contest decently easy

[naive summit]

could probs figure something out with that too yeah

[acoustic saddle]

well people sure wonder why they got that low thou

[naive summit]

averaging would be easy enough with a formula

[plucky arch]

median might be better

[signal nexus]

gotta include all three
mean, median, and mode

[plucky arch]

a 0 in 5, 5s turns it from a 5 to a 4.1

[acoustic saddle]

no judge know my weedle was a glow worm

@signal nexus u glow now

[signal nexus]

me:

[heady panther]

me fusion again

[signal nexus]

marmite fusion

dumb judging reform idea: no two judges can give the exact same score

[heady panther]

5 4 3 2 1 0 -1

[signal nexus]

🤔 maybe that's why when people ask to rate their fusion i always give them silly answers like "carbink/10" or "bonk/10"

[acoustic saddle]

judge idea, right person have to judge the same as the lef person

[signal nexus]

this is turning into one of those math textbook word problems 😶

[heady panther]

I hate math textbook problems

especially when I have to read

[signal nexus]

"If there are 13 spots left for the next possible inclusion, how many possible pokemon lines could be included?"

[acoustic saddle]

reeding ls hard

[heady panther]

agreeed

[acoustic saddle]

6 for monkies

[signal nexus]

13 single-stagers
6 two-stagers and one single-stage
etc.

[signal nexus]

six monkeys and diancie 😌

[heady panther]

if tropius isnt one of them ill be sad

[acoustic saddle]

potassium

[heady panther]

I just want my banana dino cult

https://tenor.com/view/tropius-banana-dinossauro-pokemon-tropius-meu-amado-gif-15339407920333905876

[heady panther]

https://tenor.com/view/banana-potassium-gif-4931204

[heady panther]

im going to make a cult if tropius is added

anyone who wants to join is welcome

[signal nexus]

there's already practically a gogoat cult
start a banana cult now

[heady panther]

true

I just realised its about time I change my name

[heady panther]

it is official

I start the cult

[acoustic saddle]

u need to do alot thou

Zero made a lot of gogoat

[heady panther]

I will do tropius stuff after im done with the contest sprites im making

so maybe tmwr I start making tropius sprite

[signal nexus]

anyway, i will get last place in the Kalos Kontest because no one knows my budew is based on a chestnut flower 😌

[heady panther]

I have 2 entires

1. is the best sprite ive ever shaded

2. melonman

[signal nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/avatar-the-last-airbender-the-last-airbender-avatar-atla-tloa-gif-14828051

[heady panther]

small so I gotta resize

but behold

melon

[signal nexus]

melon 🫵

[acoustic saddle]

show sprote 🫵

[heady panther]

https://tenor.com/view/watermelon-cat-lol-wtf-slice-gif-5571361

[acoustic saddle]

:v damm the dedline is today

i wonder i have much time to do it

[heady panther]

I got till the morning tmwr

[acoustic saddle]

sili

[heady panther]

just a lil goofy goober

[signal nexus]

also included this one which is an excuse to make quilladin more spiky like the chestnut it is based on

[heady panther]

https://tenor.com/view/goofy-goober-gif-7748713

[signal nexus]

you have anything in progress?

[heady panther]

this is one of my entries

also gotta resize

[acoustic saddle]

buff frog buff wizard buff nuts

(not reall)

i dont have time to rush

[signal nexus]

they do work at small size though!

[heady panther]

still resizing because big

[signal nexus]

:patpat: don't rush 😌

[acoustic saddle]

maybe i could make a smol mon

[heady panther]

let me find my actual sprites because I cant with all the files being numbers

[acoustic saddle]

:v but damm, not gonna win vs these entry

[signal nexus]

you can directly compete with my budew

[heady panther]

I dont even need to see the entries to know im losing

just hope my kyogre gets high because thats the best shading ive ever done

[acoustic saddle]

brussel sprout

[signal nexus]

that's why the judges need to replace the number scores with chestnut/10 😌

[acoustic saddle]

1 nut

2 nuts

5 nuts

[heady panther]

watch my quilladin fusions score be melon/10

[signal nexus]

closest i got to a slash mark react 😅

[heady panther]

fr no emoji

thought there would be

[signal nexus]

the other option would be the ➗ because that's really what the slash mark means
but ehhhh

[lusty pewter]

~~plz no I don't want to know how much my fusion has nut score ~~

[acoustic saddle]

5 nuts

[acoustic saddle]

how was ur entry

[lusty pewter]

um... pretty good(?)

[acoustic saddle]

i mean for kalos starter

[lusty pewter]

I submitted 3 melo for each base stage evo starters as head fusion and an umbreon/delphox

yeah I assume that's what you meant

[heady panther]

I wanna see at least one

[lusty pewter]

also still working on the pom-pom/golurk I might finish today but can't guarantee that

[lusty pewter]

at least one wat? 👀

[heady panther]

melonman

[lusty pewter]

pfft

[heady panther]

he is definetly winning the contest

[signal nexus]

the contest that matters at least 😌

[naive summit]

I was thinking of submitting my little Charmander friend but I don't think he'd make it far and I like judging so

[lusty pewter]

oooh a very warm coloring

[signal nexus]

🤔 surely you just abstain for your own sprite, nah?

[naive summit]

Nah we abstain entirely if we participate

[heady panther]

I doubt mine will make it far but I still post them

[lusty pewter]

if they do they'll get worse score since they'll always be 5 vote behind

[naive summit]

Ye but you don't have to choose between participating or judging

[signal nexus]

i could intentionally make a terrible sprite guaranteed to be in last place so you don't have to worry about your sprite trailing

[naive summit]

Nah I think it'd at least be average but still I want to vote instead, voting is fun

[signal nexus]

okay well if you like judging
pls explain why the magmortar haircut makes this sprite look like some old lady named Maude
judge that 😌

[limpid sphinx]

i thought that if u participate and u want to vote u have to vote a 3 for yourself

[naive summit]

No currently we just abstain entirely

[heady panther]

im scared

[limpid sphinx]

milchik moment

[naive summit]

I'm on the opinion we should just average out the existing votes and round it to fill in for your own but eh

Abstaining is simpler

[heady panther]

im still always going to hold this against Say

"Carbink of my nightmares"

[acoustic saddle]

:v is delphox has the highest entry number

[signal nexus]

not. surprised.

and i think quilladin has 2
unless it got more since i last checked

[little cypress]

Ironic that you have to explain what a long message says because people won’t read when the message is about not reading

[signal nexus]

oh it did
oh my

[heady panther]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-spongebob-squarepants-wow-mindblown-gif-13169052

[signal nexus]

lol
me, your melon, and... that thing
and the throuple if you count that

oh wait there's also a mr mime i missed

four quilladin

[little cypress]

Should I make a #discord-suggestions thread and include the stuff discussed here for future contests with judging? Specifically stuff that’s realistic to implement: blind judging (hiding other judge scores before each judge is finished scoring), showing the mean/median/mode for each sprite instead of each score individually, setting a deadline in advance once the contest is over (so the timeline can be set based on how many submissions/how much work there will be), etc.?

[naive summit]

People on the internet have short attention spans and also tend to just willfully ignore things sadly

[little cypress]

Well, I think the internet absolutely made it worse, but I think that was always the case for people, it just wasn’t as common and obvious

[naive summit]

Nah it's okay I can bring it up in mime chat myself tomorrow, we were already discussing making changes to staff voting anyways these last few days

[little cypress]

Ok cool. Just making sure it is written somewhere useful. I’m happy to give any details I can, you can always DM me if you need, or ask me to make a thread, I don’t mind

[naive summit]

My idea was judges being able to give a single sprite a 6 (basically an extra point) but only one. Doesn't solve much, I just found that fun. We'll probs toy with other ideas too

It's a really neat feeling knowing your sprite was someone's favorite, even if it doesn't win

[little cypress]

Agreed. And I could actually see this being a HUGE game changer, it could be an entirely separate podium of “Judge’s Favorite” where every sprite that gets the 6 is featured and that judge could (anonymously) gush about it with feedback, like the Spotlight section. It could replace spotlights OR go alongside, depending on the judges. I’d see a lot of use from it

[naive summit]

Yeah for sure

[acoustic saddle]

|| or no more contest||

[rich hemlock]

so I lost my newest champion role awhile ago with the event results, will I get contest champion at some point?

[acoustic saddle]

u could ask for it

[formal river]

i think piss managers can do it if not u could ping a mod

[little cypress]

Stop trolling ||and give my your feedback for the entries, it’s been over a week||

[little cypress]

@cyan gull thoughts?

[plucky arch]

well, i hope my frogadier was submitted to the contest

we'll see

its being weird for me so i hope its not that way for whoever gets the files

[signal nexus]

what was the fusion?

[plucky arch]

i literally just named the file wrong im so stupid

only Frogadier head submission tho

counting exclusively on them doing a spotlight for each pokemon in the contest (cough cough @cedar quest coughcough) to get any kind of victory

i lied there are 4 frogadiers and 1 is made by soreile

i would not be winning that

[acoustic saddle]

i forgor

[slender thunder]

wow thats a big announcement:0

[jaunty estuary]

WAAAAA THIRD PLACE

[little cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/you're-fired-j-jonah-jameson-spider-man-2-you're-no-longer-employed-columbia-pictures-100-gif-13669462618431915682

[little cypress]

||You should’ve done it immediately instead of asking for time if you were going to forget! ||

[acoustic saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/burning-apple-apple-on-fire-lit-gif-13420134

[white wagon]

Collab?

[acoustic saddle]

what will be

[wary canopy]

BINK WEVE MADE IT

[little cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/apples-smash-collide-crash-burst-gif-11306439

[acoustic saddle]

now they will add diance

[wary canopy]

ive done my job of getting her son a win i need nothing else

[limpid sphinx]

so rigged they did a contest for ribbon

[wary canopy]

HELP I JUST SAW THE PINS sorry guys i was training for this

[limpid sphinx]

i really desliked carbink b4 the contest but yeah i can admit that it is a p good material in the right hands

[acoustic saddle]

i think its color is nice

:v just a worst mon in gen 6 base on stat & evo thou

i guess it was made for “lore”

[wary canopy]

its just a pre evolution but its evolution is detached from the line😔

[near horizon]

btw

when LC3 ?

[jaunty estuary]

im just surprised you didnt get all three podium spots

[wary canopy]

next time just you wait (in all seriousness kind of shocked to see my delphox up there along the others but hey ill take it))

[jaunty estuary]

im just happy i made it to the podium ^^

[wary canopy]

congrats on the klingklang also!! it looked stunning

[jaunty estuary]

tysm

that means so much coming from you

i liked my lurantis more but what can you do about it

[cyan gull]

@rich hemlock whoever gave you your role forgot the other one

[rich hemlock]

yippee

@limpid sphinx btw i just noticed your lurantis/delphox isnt upscaled in the kalos contest drive

[limpid sphinx]

oh tysm! i think i forgot to upscale after the last edit D:

[cyan gull]

Death by crunchy pixels

[acoustic saddle]

😔we need to ban all podium winner from join in next event

[limpid sphinx]

well deserved! it looks so good

[acoustic saddle]

so they cant keep winning

[limpid sphinx]

ntm discovering how competitive stuff works

a rookie contest is not a bad idea tho

[acoustic saddle]

lately i have seen the same face winning so it kinda discouraging lol

[rich hemlock]

I may or may not be hoping to eventually steal a win with the standard contest type

[limpid sphinx]

if u joined when it was only mammuth, milchik, kiwi and scrapi winning i feel like u would be really depressive lol

[rich hemlock]

tis fair, I've personally been in the mindset that it'd be really cool to surpass and win despite the big names

[acoustic saddle]

well bc it was small back then, so of course best spriter are only in small number

[limpid sphinx]

me when i discover that the most talented and experient people gonna keep winning if they keep competing 🤯

[acoustic saddle]

even thou a way to encourage everyone would be nice

:v technique problematic i guess

[whole arrow]

i really dont wana sprite my concept for Kalos contest

[thick harness]

isn't that kinda what the spotlights do? they highlight the spriters who aren't quite on the level of contest winner yet

[limpid sphinx]

actually it is more in this way yea

[acoustic saddle]

the spot light r for fun idea and mods pick , so it less about point,
if a.b.c.d join in the same contest, and a b c keep winning, of course D will always out of reach for that reason,

:v anyways have fun thou

[limpid sphinx]

so well

whats the point of win a contest when the ones that already won arent competing

is like compete on easy mode and after beat the final boss you dont gonna be satisfied anyways

u gonna want to back to hard mode and try again

[acoustic saddle]

if D can surpass A B C then thats great

[limpid sphinx]

and the loop gonna repeat

[acoustic saddle]

i guess it just the feel of living under people shadow

[thick harness]

but if D wins a contest by virtue of A B & C being barred from that contest doesn't the victory feel hollow? They still haven't surpassed those spriters, they were just the best left

[limpid sphinx]

i mean i know that u was always a good spriter and joined here already being good

but when i joined if i sucked at art

i improved here and i received a lot of shit on my head while trying to compete when i was bad

a lot of 0's lmao

[thick harness]

I think the spotlights are the encouraging factor to push D to do better. be like "We really liked this sprite! Witha bit more polish it could've beaten them" and then they'll improve from there 🤷‍♂️

[acoustic saddle]

well i got all 1 one so its fine

[acoustic saddle]

that’s tru

[limpid sphinx]

if i desisted b4 my first win i would never win 4 times

i was a ribbon and soreile fan and dreamed about be good as they are and now i can compete with them (even if both r still a lot better than me lol

[thick harness]

With every contest I get a little better, and with the staff voting I can see where I need to improve. One day i'll win a contest, but when I do I want it to be because I earned that victory, not because I was playing in the little leagues

[wary canopy]

i only won my first contest like. this month after getting third thrice rip it was a slow climb up
but i do get the idea from both sides yea

[rich hemlock]

ye i guess it do be a bit of a mindset thing

[limpid sphinx]

i feel like a "rookies" contest dont gonna be that helpful at the end, but i can admit that i would like to see it happening just to check if it works

the same as for a "only podium winners contest" too, can u imagine how that could be crazy

[thick harness]

A podium winners contest would go hard. All the best spriters going all out against each other

[acoustic saddle]

like junior master chef

[lusty pewter]

until datorre made a joke sprite that somehow gets a bunch of 3s

[acoustic saddle]

is this hunger games

[limpid sphinx]

i made it in 5 minutes while u watched it it was so funny

[thick harness]

It can be anyone who doesn't win gets banned

that solves the contest winner problem too

[lusty pewter]

the winner get special role and loser gets perma banned? 👀

[limpid sphinx]

lmao

[limpid sphinx]

pffffff

[rich hemlock]

get mega ultra contest champion role for winning

[limpid sphinx]

and it is the wailord meganium

wailmer chikorita evolved

[feral surge]

A problem with rookies contest would be deciding on what are the joining criteria, someone might be a new spriter to the server but already be very experianced in pixel art from other project while for others it's the first time making sprites and even then for some people it's the first time doing more serious drawings while others have a good deal of drawing experiance that somewhat translates to pixel art, there would always be people with a skill advantage

[rich hemlock]

true

[acoustic saddle]

for this event i seen a lot of podium to show that the quality r very good thats its hard to pick the best 3

the first time i have seen this many tbh

[whole arrow]

felt like showing what i would have made for kalos konflict its probably going into "Free-To-Use" instead

[acoustic saddle]

why no sprite, it look complete

so it won’t take much time

[whole arrow]

no energy to clean it 😦

[acoustic saddle]

i only have 4 h to do

[lusty pewter]

my thoughts on that could be rookie contest: any spriter without gym leader role can enter. 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place (including ties) get gym leader role. then veteran contest is the same but only those with gym leader can join. only 1st and 2nd places get elite 4 role. then champion contest is where elite four battle for the champion role (of course only 1 winner). just a thought tho since this can very much make contests a lot more complicated with different brackets

NTM be excited first but then reading it again is having second thoughts XD

[acoustic saddle]

🤷 im at the point where my entry make people said they not gonna win and i should not join and should be banned etc , turn out i get the lowest point ever, at the end i think why i ever tried

[lusty pewter]

XD

they're too jelly of your spriting skill :)

[feral surge]

Looking how even with curent events and joining being explained in the pins you get people confused about how to join like every event I can see that turning into a mess very quickly

[acoustic saddle]

:v but it doesnt net me anything though

[acoustic saddle]

im jelly of your 😔

[lusty pewter]

fair enough

[whole arrow]

almost forgot about this too lol

[feral surge]

Your sprites look great just not the style the judges are looking for

[lusty pewter]

yeah which is why I said it's only a thought. there's gonna be a lot more factor to consider so it's def not smth easy. since alternatively the staff is the one that check all the entries and whether you're a gym leader, e4, or champ and that also takes a lot of their time XD

[acoustic saddle]

i did won with a heavy sfx sprite as mod judge, i wonder if it was staged

[feral surge]

But that's kinda any art contest since what people find appealing can be very subjective and you have to hope the judge feels the same way as you

[cyan gull]

You win too good

No more sprite

I sentence you to spriteless hell

[acoustic saddle]

huh

[acoustic saddle]

finnaly i can rest

[cyan gull]

This has been bounced around so much in the mime chat

[lusty pewter]

was about to comment how ntm is already spriteless most of the time with how many times they collab and let others work on their concept art

[limpid sphinx]

the sfx on that one is well made so i think it is not the problem

[acoustic saddle]

u can ping the role, and it will collect all of them

[limpid sphinx]

but the sprite was p huge for a mismagius body loool

but they didnt had that standards yet for judging

[acoustic saddle]

look again it feel like arse now, i feel i could make it look better

[limpid sphinx]

if today they have not that much of criteria can u imagine on the first ones staff judges

[limpid sphinx]

it is amazing imo and the win is p well deserved

but i bet that u could do better today yeah

it was like 1 year ago right

[acoustic saddle]

:v nah , it not that big

[lusty pewter]

maybe not you but your sprites are

[acoustic saddle]

sloire look more clean thou

[feral surge]

The feeling I have every time I look at one of my old drawings

[lusty pewter]

and most of the time when it comes to casual run that's all that matters

[acoustic saddle]

there was a lot i want to change among my own one tbh

:v damm time fly fast

[cyan gull]

[acoustic saddle]

what do u mean i let people only work on my concept art

[limpid sphinx]

but staff hates more refs than sfx

[lusty pewter]

nah staff hate melo I deserve to win smh my head

[acoustic saddle]

that mean u were better, u see the wrongs u couldn’t before

[cyan gull]

It's not melo

[limpid sphinx]

rush a pirouette delphox for kalos konflict and u gonna see one thing

[limpid sphinx]

wdym

[cyan gull]

[lusty pewter]

so staff hates me then gotcha

[acoustic saddle]

i touch up sprite, its hard

[near horizon]

[acoustic saddle]

melo deeze

[limpid sphinx]

believe me hexx

[cyan gull]

I think for the most part, the contest winners are simple sprites with added on interest

[near horizon]

and for the most part i don't vote

because i participate x)

[acoustic saddle]

see michik won the contest?

[cyan gull]

There's always outliers but simplicity allows more things to shine on a canvas (and less things deduct from you)

[lusty pewter]

I already work on umbreon delphox which is a 4th entry I think I had enough for now XD

[limpid sphinx]

[limpid sphinx]

so u dont want to win with melo

get it

[acoustic saddle]

people with 5 entries

[limpid sphinx]

traitor

[acoustic saddle]

is contest a bit greedy now

[lusty pewter]

saving up energy for the next contest, whether that be kommo-o or golisopod (or both)

or lurantis

[limpid sphinx]

me with 1 entry and 0 motivation to work on another one 😎

[thick harness]

Poor meloetta is going to cry now hexx has abandoned them

[acoustic saddle]

now talking about it, many entry per spriter would take all the podium slot as well

[lusty pewter]

[cyan gull]

Me, knowing I wouldn't win if I joined even if I made my best sprite ever:

[limpid sphinx]

hexx being a father to meloetta like my father was to me

[acoustic saddle]

so if A the winner make 5 winner quality sprites

they would take all slot

[limpid sphinx]

so what 😎

[thick harness]

but having 5 entries means the new mons get a bunch of high quality sprites so 😎

[acoustic saddle]

[lusty pewter]

I swear I'm not abandoning melo I'm just removing the rust over spriting nothing but melo bodies

[limpid sphinx]

if one person manage to make 5 bangers in 1 week they deserve more than only one podium

[acoustic saddle]

i mean more or less they would make them anyway

[limpid sphinx]

melo heads when

i feel like pirouette delphox could be a real banger ngl

[acoustic saddle]

golurk body?

[lusty pewter]

so many expectations...

[acoustic saddle]

:v i wonder what happen to other people of the golurk

[lusty pewter]

maybe they ghosted you 👀

[acoustic saddle]

u cant expect the truth

[acoustic saddle]

r you?

[lusty pewter]

tbf tho I can't think of any good design for it atm, it might be too late but if I ever find a good design for piro/delphox I'll show it to you

[acoustic saddle]

erm, conductor lol

[lusty pewter]

talking about the dress

[acoustic saddle]

or silk dancer

[acoustic saddle]

what about it

[lusty pewter]

it's not necessary but I like to give different dresses if I can (without losing recognizability)

but I can't think of a dress that looks like some kind of witch, made of fur, a ballerina toto and (if possible) have a fire theme to it

[acoustic saddle]

hungergame

[lusty pewter]

isn't that feathers?

[acoustic saddle]

:v juts make fur

katniss fire dress

[lusty pewter]

hm...

...

brb

[acoustic saddle]

how can people make a winning entry in 4 h

[slender thunder]

Fur hat 💂

[white wagon]

Fur hats are awesome with meloetta confirmed

[timber jewel]

I always find interesting the difference between the feedback received on spritework compared to an event one

[timber jewel]

My sprites usually get worse the more effort I put on them, some of my best ones are random stuff put together rather hastily

Proof is my entry for the Carbink contest lmao

[signal nexus]

conductor jacket tails 😌

[regal palm]

Because in the eyes of the community you're a spriter so good to the point where the subreddit points out they don't want to evolve their Machokes so they can keep your sprites

Your technical execution is objectively top, though I've seen the last few times you usually get clocked for design choices

[signal nexus]

next contest they pick random community members as judges

[regal palm]

Jury duty LMAO

[granite dawn]

Another day in Ralliv HQ

[acoustic saddle]

glocked

[granite dawn]

great job on this event, everyone!

[acoustic saddle]

how many entries that u have :3

[little cypress]

I’ve been telling @acoustic saddle to do the Machamp fusions too, even if they’re collabs

[regal palm]

The unwashed masses demand NotToMention Machamps

[acoustic saddle]

u do it

maybe i will make. more after 100 machoke

[acoustic saddle]

rare machamp collab

[signal nexus]

silly argument. sometimes A, B, and C don't enter a contest in the first place, not because they were disqualified but because of other reasons, like time. does that make D's win less valid?

[acoustic saddle]

:v i wonder what the current venu machamp look like

[white wagon]

COLLAB?

[acoustic saddle]

im spriteless

[regal palm]

Sproteless

[lusty pewter]

spreteless

[acoustic saddle]

im already took Hexx , get in the line

[white wagon]

[acoustic saddle]

0 sprotes

[lusty pewter]

I'm adopted?! :O

[signal nexus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHelj5iEYmI

[near horizon]

wait what, i have more sprites than ntm ?

[acoustic saddle]

unless u have -1

yes

[white wagon]

Easy to beat since he has 0

[thick harness]

I get your point; but i'd argue there's a difference of psychology between the two. In your scenario; ABC chose not to compete. That means that even though D might still be the weaker spriter, they know there was no rigging involved in their victory, it feels like their own win. With the other, ABC were barred from taking place in the same contest as D. even though they still win with the same hypothetical sprite, now there's a thought in the back of their mind "Did I only win because the others weren't allowed?" even if that may not be the case

[acoustic saddle]

what will it be

[acoustic saddle]

the won might not fair , but it was a pride boost for them, ngl only when A B C slip , or not join in, D would finnaly got a chance to shine,
and for sure it does happen among the contest winer

[signal nexus]

given people need to be encouraged to look at who they placed with, i don't think the question of "did i only win because A, B, and C were barred?" is that strong in many participants' minds

[sly shuttle]

TBF, you’re one of the more ancient members

[regal palm]

It really boils down to there's literally hundreds of artists here

You're going to have a lot of Van Goghs (Making starry night) and a lot of Van Goghs (Cutting their (metaphorical) ear off)

[acoustic saddle]

D is just weaker than A B C, but still a ranked 4 spriter, that mean they still have great potential and idea to struck 4 all the time, but the issue that it wasnt enough to pass A B C, for a long time, the enthusiasm might die down

[slender thunder]

Isnt it elite four?

[near horizon]

yeah but i'm a sprite since like 1.5 year

[regal palm]

I am of the ear cutting group

[sly shuttle]

I joined a day before NTM and have many more sprites

Quantity over Quality

[acoustic saddle]

can’t belie we been here more than 1 years

im just a slow spriter

matin collab took 7 months

[signal nexus]

but i think that also comes down to what these contests are for. are they for fun, or as a true measuring of your spriting abilities?
from other folks' testimony, it feels like judges are craving sprites made for fun as entrants (as opposed made to win), but judging fairly harshly (or at least firmly)

[thick harness]

Yeah i get that. being stuck just out of reach can be really demotivating. I guess I just don't think splitting the contest champs and everyone else is the solution to the problem