event-general

[rapid knot]

That doesn't have anything to do with shame, though

[heavy furnace]

If you don't do it you get doxxed

[cedar quest]

Nah, that's illegal

[plush vale]

twas a joke

[rapid knot]

Something horrible, yet legal

[plush vale]

may be good to remphasize that all requests need follow the rules too to avoid any weirdness

[hazy chasm]

not adding there next few sprites to the game maybe

[plush vale]

immortalized as clowns in game

[heavy furnace]

Cringe, they're staying within the law

[rapid knot]

Isn't defamation illegal?

[heavy furnace]

You can sue for it

[plush vale]

do wanna oc avoid anything people gonna potentially strive for in an ivnerse effect deal oc

[heavy furnace]

Honestly that sounds funny, I would want that

[plush vale]

didnt mean literally clowns

[fierce flume]

omg you're famous

[heavy furnace]

Can I get added as an actual clown anyway

[fierce flume]

And he can't even see it lol

[plush vale]

ah yes clown bruh moment

[rapid knot]

All spriting teams get added as mini-gyms

[plush vale]

so mini your char wont fit in the door

[rapid knot]

You can see a master ball inside, but you can't reach it, even with debugger

[heavy furnace]

All spriters are rats

[hazy chasm]

https://tiermaker.com/create/pokemon-infinite-fusion-sprites-16463651 you can vote for the best and worst designs so you can see what people want or hate for secret santa

[fierce flume]

Hate: Any legendary

[steel vortex]

Weakness

[hazy chasm]

lol

[rapid knot]

So we fill this chart with what? Base sprites?

[cursive brook]

trying to do this this is hard

[hazy chasm]

yeah

[fierce flume]

There's too many to drag easily lol

[hazy chasm]

i made it live so people can vote

[heavy furnace]

There should be average design hard to work with and easy to work with and average to work with for the other 2

[rapid knot]

There's a lot of pokemon to rank

[sinful pendant]

I kinda made it mostly as a meme lmao

[sinful pendant]

I can do that

[steel vortex]

xD

[cursive brook]

taking so long

[fierce flume]

What kind of nerd has a Tiermaker account, LOL

[heavy furnace]

Cause some mid designs are hard to use

Like Exeggutor IMO

[hazy chasm]

i just made one lol

[dawn prairie]

alignment chart sweep

[heavy furnace]

True

[rapid knot]

I've never used one of these before

You mentioned voting?

[fierce flume]

Hi secret spriter, I'd like a 9th Aegislash/Gardevoir pls

[heavy furnace]

Nah, Gardevoir/Aegislash

Woman sword

[cursive brook]

what I have for the botom pics so far

[sinful pendant]

https://tiermaker.com/create/pokemon-infinite-fusion-sprites-16463651
Should have ALL the rows now for extra sorting difficulty

(You might need to clear local storage/cookies or open in an incogito window to see the update)

[hazy chasm]

make it live its to much work to drag them

[fierce flume]

We can unionize to finish a Pokemon Head or body

[rapid knot]

Drag them? From where?

[rapid knot]

Those are called Teams

[fierce flume]

Outsourcing labor to Secret Spriter smh

[sinful pendant]

I have never done that before so Idk what it does but here it is
https://live.tiermaker.com/818229

[rapid knot]

Oooh, I think this makes more sense

[lunar comet]

can vve make non-specific and/or vague requests? like uhhh "give me a squirtle fusion" or "i vvant big lizard"

[rapid knot]

I'm gonna be here all night doing this 💀

[lunar comet]

i vvant to participate but i'm not sure i have a set of pokemon i vvant done

...oh my bad

[sinful pendant]

I have never done a live tier list but this is v neat

[plush vale]

feels nicer to be a lil more specific than that at least to not put so much pressure on spriter to figure out what yad like

like squirtle fused with x type of creature

[lunar comet]

fair but by the same token it might feel a bit too pressuring to have tvvo specific pokemon, esp if the spriter just doesn't have any good ideas on hovv to fuse them

idk

[cursive brook]

This tier list is getting fat af

[plush vale]

hence be more speciic but not just 2 specific pokemon

[thin dove]

is this chart for heads or bodies?

i guess there needs to be two different ones, eh?

[wintry mauve]

i don’t understand the event bruh

lmao

[sinful pendant]

I guess either lol

[green locust]

what is secret spriter?

[cursive brook]

I cannot even fit the whole list on my screen anymore

[solemn orbit]

Cant say here

[plush vale]

secret santa but sprites

[late sequoia]

#event-announcements message

[sinful pendant]

You can try the live version

[green locust]

huh ok i guess

[late sequoia]

Explination of the event

[cursive brook]

how

[green locust]

thanks

[sinful pendant]

https://live.tiermaker.com/818229

[rapid knot]

This is fun

The dratini has stray red pixels

[steel vortex]

Whi is it timed

OH Im behind

[late sequoia]

We can't distribute the form, but the info of the event itself is in #event-announcements for when people ask

[cursive brook]

aah i misclicked

I said togepi was difficult

wtf

[sinful pendant]

I set it for an hour and I have no idea how to change the time limit lol. I'll see if I can do that

[rapid knot]

Bahah
Pineco all the way at the bottom

[plush vale]

that was me lol

[steel vortex]

Ah I see, cool!

[plush vale]

dont hate im but didnt seem most interesting usually

#sprite-gallery message lol look at

[sinful pendant]

lmao I think that's the right side of moltres from my sprite sheet

[plush vale]

wait theres a 46 mintue time limit

[steel vortex]

Speedrun

[sinful pendant]

Raticate chillin in his own tier

[steel vortex]

It's a pretty blegh body

[dense jackal]

Hilarious that seadra isn't in difficult to work with

[blissful kindle]

Noooooo

[steel vortex]

Difficult for me is "can I make this a recognizable fusion with interesting features" it's why a lot of small birds are in difficult, their bodies are so similar xD

[blissful kindle]

There's no "go back" button

[tulip tusk]

I'm kinda curious how people feel about dhelmise

[blissful kindle]

I've added some good design hard into bad design easy tier

[steel vortex]

Yeah I might have misclicked a few times whoops

[steel vortex]

Hard

[blissful kindle]

these tiers are good but confusing

[steel vortex]

But I don't do material/object mons

[sinful pendant]

Yea i wish I could replace the colors with like an image or something bc its so hard to pick options quickly

[steel vortex]

Meant to put Raikou with Entei whoops

[rapid knot]

Okay, se we seem to agree we don't like Igglybuff

[steel vortex]

Too many small round shapes

[sinful pendant]

How is RESHIRAM in easy to work with

[barren abyss]

Mewtwo isn’t that difficult to work with

After drawing it for 400h+ it’s really easy

[sinful pendant]

Don't blame me, blame the collective vote

[steel vortex]

Reshiram is a complex body. but very recognizable and easy head with the all white palette

Easier than Zekrom

[icy jasper]

What's the top 3 tiers with the best designs to work with?

[steel vortex]

Mewtwo's easy

[sinful pendant]

https://live.tiermaker.com/818229
You can look at the results here (it's too big for a screenshot)

[rapid knot]

We all obviously have very different ideas on what 'easy to work with' means

[steel vortex]

That is the thing, everyone's interpretation of easy is vastly different
I find birds, fur, and horses easy cause I draw them a lot, but struggle with humanoids and objects like a Klinklang, while someone else finds them easy
That and easy as in what too, easy as in easy to draw, easy to conceptualize, easy to recognize etc

But it is fascinating!

[rapid knot]

The 'average design and difficult to work with' section is the most interesting imo

[steel vortex]

Oh definitely

Average for me is if it's easy as a head or body but hard as a body or head lol

So it evens out

[thin dove]

for me at least i'm also working off of how many bases i have at my disposal. i can't make super perfect horses/gators/etc yet but if i find really good bases i can work my way around a lot of that

but shit like Gears? oh god

the list keeps resetting on me

[icy jasper]

For me, it's mainly humanoid-like Pokémon that I find easy to make fusions of

[heavy furnace]

It's crazy what pokemon are getting called average

Like Mewtwo and Venosaur

[limpid sphinx]

just sended my request 👍 i tried to send one that dont have a custom yet

[solemn orbit]

Finally done 😓

[sinful pendant]

Certified stunfisk hater

[rapid knot]

Phew! Finished!

[solemn orbit]

Its my least fav

[icy jasper]

Didn't expect misdreavus nor sucine to make it up that high

[solemn orbit]

misdreavus is good for head

suicune idk why I put it there

[rapid knot]

I want to show my tier list, but I also don't want to have to make an account

[sinful pendant]

https://10minutemail.com/
YOu can make one with a temp email

[icy jasper]

Isn't there a button at the bottom of the page that let's you do that or does it require you to make an account?

[spare breach]

W take for putting sylveon higher
although it doesnt use the correct sprite here

[rapid knot]

It needs twitter or google

Well, I can do it the hard way: Splicing screenshots together

[cursive brook]

I feel like I have been doing this forever

this isnt even all of it

[steel vortex]

I got lazy and just put everything in great design but lol

[cursive brook]

how tf

[solid kiln]

Ohhhhh....That's why I can't find Gallade and Froslass

[cursive brook]

yeah I have like 100 left

[sinful pendant]

I realize the time limit is ab to run out on that first one so I'll leave this week-long live voting list for anyone who wants to give it a shot later
https://live.tiermaker.com/625628

[plush vale]

smh not just setting first one longer

[sinful pendant]

In my defense, I had no idea what a live tier list did when I made it lol

[plush vale]

I noted partway along

[rapid knot]

It took forever, but I made it

[plush vale]

ok now redo it on the live one 😛

[rapid knot]

I did do it on the live one

This is made out of screenshots

[plush vale]

yeah but now he restarted live one with onger so gotta start over

[rapid knot]

Okay, you may now judge my taste in pokemon

[steel vortex]

Ho damn, ngl I rushed a bit so I don't think my choices were 100% accurate to my feelings

[rapid knot]

Yeah, I misclicked a few times

[sinful pendant]

Final totals

[plucky arch]

god what should i even submit

[rapid knot]

Fellow zubat fan spotted

[cursive brook]

85 left

[sinful pendant]

Altaria in bad design? Smh

[cursive brook]

I feel pain

[rapid knot]

I stand by my decision

[rapid knot]

Paras in the highest tier, as it should be 👍

[steel vortex]

How is Miltank, Mewtwo, Pidgeot, Hawlucha, Arcanine, Talonflame, Dragonite, Noivern, Sceptile, Mawile, Infernape, Gardevoir, and Hercaross hard? At most some of them are average due to just meh bodies or heads xD

To the total results btw

[rapid knot]

It's hard to make miltank considering all the rules about it

The birds have complicated wings

Infernape and mewtwo have human-like anatomy

[steel vortex]

Hmm I guess, I was thinking about just normal fusions and how it's recognizable but true
Birds right wings
Infernape, I considered the fire, but I can see the body, Mewtwo idk why seems just fine but it is more humanoid

[wind matrix]

You guys better actually do the sprites this year

[tulip tusk]

we have like a week to submit requests, right?

[late sequoia]

and we already have more than last year

[subtle moss]

dude I finished 3 sprites for the current contest in 3 days

I'll manage

[wind matrix]

Remember. If you submit a request you are also saying you will do a request

[steel vortex]

I'll do the sprite unless it's Voltorb/Ultra Necrozma
Then I'll take the mental damage

[rapid knot]

Noooo
Ghost don't leave us

[subtle moss]

So I'm still unsure as to the submitting of sprites

[rapid knot]

You can always just recolor a necrozma and remove the face

[subtle moss]

is who does what just not kept secretive or something?

[steel vortex]

True lmao

[rapid knot]

When you are given the request, you don't know who it's from

[subtle moss]

Ah

[rapid knot]

I'm excited to see mine

https://tenor.com/view/pikachu-gif-21053665

[sterile pasture]

I'd participate if it allowed for more than one request to give us options. The chance of getting necrozma or ultra necrozma is too high

[cursive brook]

Heheh

[steel vortex]

Can we ban some requests

[tulip tusk]

somebody is going to request necrozma rayquaza I know it

[cursive brook]

nononononononononononononononononononononononononon

[steel vortex]

Ngl, I'd be down to make that

[cursive brook]

no

[steel vortex]

Like the idea is easy, just tedious

[tulip tusk]

I think I'd hate it since there's no creative liberty and it'd be a pain to sprite

[cursive brook]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[steel vortex]

A h

[ashen sapphire]

see, I'd enjoy being tasked with necrozma rayq... if there weren't already a few made

[steel vortex]

That too, no room for new idea unless you just do an alt xD

[ashen sapphire]

I just don't like making sprites someone else already made a main for

[steel vortex]

Ref

[sterile pasture]

Maybe I can just volunteer to be a pinch-hitter for when some of the sign ups inevitably potentially don't come thru

[cursive brook]

I do not want to draw a ultra necrozma fusion

[steel vortex]

If the main needs QA, I wouldn't mind making it

[steel vortex]

In another SS I'm in, we do have people who sign up to do make up art if someone drops out
Nice for the reciever and the bad person gets punished

I'd do the same if I had time

[cursive brook]

I requested a fusion I have wanted for a while but can't do myself

not saying what that means

[steel vortex]

Rattata/Pikachu, understandable very hard

[sterile pasture]

Ye I've done ones like that too

[steel vortex]

Yeh!

[sturdy mulch]

blurry

[cursive brook]

open in browser stupid irs

how are you gonna file taxes at all

[sturdy mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/realbatman-batman-gif-8770388

[cursive brook]

certified irs moment

[sturdy mulch]

how is volcarona easy to work with?

[cursive brook]

I am tired

I might've misplaced like 25

[steel vortex]

Volcarona is easy conceptually and to recognize, wings take a bit is all

[cursive brook]

yeah

[steel vortex]

Someone request me an Ice-type/Arcanine Actually yeah gimme an Arcanine or Ho-oh body, I'll do it!

[errant yarrow]

Glalie Hooh

it is begging for a custom sprite :^)

[steel vortex]

Sure, put it in the SS and hope I get it

[hollow gull]

when's secret spriter due?

I'm shit not great with due dates so I wanna get it done early but also can't afford to waste any time because finals

[lusty pewter]

from #event-announcements it says that the spriting phase is 2 weeks long

[versed ridge]

Idk what to request for secret spriter

[lusty pewter]

so... ig it's 2 weeks after they tell you your request

[lusty pewter]

I wasn't sure either so I just request for a fusion of smth that would look cool :)

[cursive brook]

Think

No ultra necrozma

[versed ridge]

[cursive brook]

Don’t be an asshole

[versed ridge]

K fine

[wintry mauve]

ohhhhhh i just read the thing now i understand it

sounds fun

[lone anchor]

Me too

[wintry mauve]

hmmmmmmm

i must

thonk

what would be a good request

[lone anchor]

Jumpluff

[wintry mauve]

Ok how about bruxish double fusion /j

[lone anchor]

A rotom body would be easy

Cause you can do the simple body or an appliance which are basically rectangles

[wintry mauve]

the only thing that scares me is that i get something really hard to do

nah i feel like i’ll be safe

i might have an existential crisis doing whatever i get but i will do it

[hollow gull]

I want something complicated and crazy

I want something so awe-inspiring and nuts that I have to teach myself all new techniques

[odd garnet]

I hope I get to do a Roserade body for SS hehe

[hollow gull]

Xeno I think the contest organizers will just hand you the roserade request

if not that would be quite funny

Xeno: proud creator of 100+ Roserades and also 1 Pupitar

how many Roserades are you at now?

[odd garnet]

250+ Roserades

[hollow gull]

yea sounds about right

[odd garnet]

@plucky arch @cedar quest
Can I request this?

"Sprite your own request that you gave out to your secret santa"

[hollow gull]

why would you sprite your own?

[wintry mauve]

what the fuck

[hollow gull]

I'm still at 20-ish Corsolas

[odd garnet]

That's my request

Your request is my request :)

[hollow gull]

?

I'm confused

[odd garnet]

Basically if whoever get me has to do what they requested

Say you asked for a Deoxys/Jynx from your secret santa

And then you got me as your requester

Then you have to make your own Deoxys/Jynx

[hollow gull]

@radiant wasp how do you do hands again? just in case

[hollow gull]

feel like that kinda ruins the point

[odd garnet]

That's why I'm asking if I can request that

[hollow gull]

I meant like if someone else requested a roserade you'd be paired with them

[odd garnet]

Wait so we get paired with each other?

Like we just exchange requests?

[hollow gull]

yea, so you get a roserade to do

yea

[odd garnet]

It's not randomly given out?

[hollow gull]

pretty sure it's random

[odd garnet]

Like one person gets your request and another person requests you?

[hollow gull]

no

[odd garnet]

Oh

[hollow gull]

like it's random

but they could just take your final pairing and swap you with some other guy

[lusty pewter]

I wonder how they'll contact you, will they dm you or will it be smth else?

[hollow gull]

this is confusing I wish there were a better way to word this

[sinful pendant]

https://live.tiermaker.com/818229
You can also view the results here

[azure halo]

They did misdreaveous so dirty

[sinful pendant]

To be fair the votes were a lot more mixed on that one

[azure halo]

Interesting. I never expected them to be a divisive pokemon

[cedar quest]

No

Fun idea, but no.

[tulip tusk]

oh shit this was a live vote?

wait is dhelmise on this list

[cedar quest]

It's in IF

[tulip tusk]

I know it's in game but I was curious about how people see it, can't find it on the list though

[molten crater]

don't take it too seriously, people voted Voltorb and Electrode as great designs

[limpid sphinx]

goats

orbs supremacy

[tulip tusk]

ok but in their defense

orb

[cedar quest]

On what list?

[cedar quest]

DM yes

[lusty pewter]

ooh exciting, can't wait to get a dm then :)

here's hoping I get an interesting fusion combo cuz I would feel really bad if I got a fusion request that I have no idea how to work with

[tulip tusk]

the tiermaker

[steep marten]

[tulip tusk]

I may be blind as shit, I looked through 3 times and did not see it sobs

I thought it would be more disliked

[cedar quest]

Also

:(

Why y'all so mean :(

[fair crag]

So how exactly will secret spriter work?

[lusty pewter]

it's explained in #event-announcements

[fair crag]

I understand it a bit better thanks

I wonder who will get my request

[lusty pewter]

we can prob ask after the event is over

but for now lets keep it a secret so we don't ruin the fun :)

[fair crag]

Mines an interesting one thats for sure

[lusty pewter]

I think mine is a bit bland but eh, idk. I think it's cool personally

we just have to see what we got later

[sick herald]

whats this?

[urban tulip]

My request is... idk, I thought the autogen was kinda funny so just curious to see what someone would come up with

[lusty pewter]

oooh, so curious what you requested, plz tell us when the event is over it sounds fun :3

[fair crag]

I thought of two random pokemon so i just went with it

[thick timber]

What is that poll from?

[lusty pewter]

I'm gonna feel bad for the person who got a fusion request from a random number generator lol

[long crag]

I'm coming back from spriting retirement for this lol

[floral vessel]

My request’s like

Kinda fun I hope ffffffffff

[lunar comet]

i requested.... a pokemon

[neat viper]

Fake new qwilfish is the best design

[rich girder]

Can you request any 2 mons or do they have to be in if?

[lusty pewter]

doesn't the form says that it have to be pokemon in IF? or maybe I remember wrong

[rich girder]

Yeah just opened it

[sinful pendant]

Yee I didn’t know how livevote worked so I made it too short, but there’s a version here that I set for longer

https://live.tiermaker.com/625628

[crisp cargo]

flareon in the top tier

[cursive brook]

Who spelled out sexual in the announcements

[lusty pewter]

that's something that I could live by not knowing

[steel vortex]

bruh wth

[crisp cargo]

wow wrong

qwilfish isn't easy to work with

but yeah who's saying bad design lol, i think it's a fine design

does its job and does it well

[sly gorge]

When it comes to the secret spriter form, am I allowed to be specific with my fusion? Or am I only allowed to type in the fusion I want and nothing else.

[open folio]

#secret-spriter-2026 message

So you can add ideas, but they may be ignored by the spriter who gets the request

[sly gorge]

aight thanks

[limpid sphinx]

viktor n1 enemy from read

[crude cedar]

What fusion is this btw

Gligar/haunter?

[limpid sphinx]

looks like koffing face

[crude cedar]

OH

yea kinda

yea it’s koffing

[limpid sphinx]

https://discordapp.com/channels/302153478556352513/702626820876533851/945796132175503422

[sly gorge]

?

[lone cairn]

Just wondering about the Secret Spriter: when the Spriting Phase starts, do we post the sprite in the spritework or do we post it somewhere else?

[limpid sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/i-cant-see-a-thing-não-consigo-ver-nada-nao-consigo-ver-nada-woody-woodpecker-pica-pau-gif-26836551

[sly gorge]

no I genuinely don't know what you're yapping about

[cursive brook]

Now you know

[limpid sphinx]

you dont reading

[sly gorge]

ahhh

i see what you mean now

yeah.

reading?

what's that?

I don't like reading.

I'd rather get reassurance for an obvious question on a channel.

'better safe than sorry'

ever heard of it?

[limpid sphinx]

ngl its a good method XD

only problem is if the person who answer u its not sure too

[solemn orbit]

idk

[sinful pendant]

Qwillfish is making a comeback in the currently active poll tho

[limpid sphinx]

secret santa becomes into a really hard stuff lol

[summer nebula]

I question the decision to make the secret santa have a contest tbh

[young karma]

my guess is that it makes people put a little more effort into their sprites instead of just dumping something out

[summer nebula]

It's just a little weird to essentially grade everyone's gifts, yknow? imagine being the person that gets told "oh yeah the sprite you got is the worst of them all :)"
plus it could make people act toxic over getting a "bad" request that hinders their chances of winning

[young karma]

yeah thats understandable

[cursive brook]

This is for fun

Request what you want

The tier list was made as joke

[summer nebula]

i didn't even realize the tier list was to do with the contest lmao

i was just talking more generally

i hope we don't get any toxicity, but i have my concerns

[limpid sphinx]

its not exactly a gift, so its not a problem

[cursive brook]

You must do your request once you get it so it’s not like you have much of a choice . Just be grateful and have fun you have two weeks.

[limpid sphinx]

and since before you join you know that its a contest and the chances to be the last one exists, you dont have to care that much about that too, cuz, wow, plot twist: every contest someone else is the last placed lol

[fierce flume]

Please Santa, I’ve been good this year. Give me something easy to sprite

[cursive brook]

If I get something challenging it could be fun

[limpid sphinx]

i just want a big body, if i receive a little body im gonna be really sad

[cursive brook]

Be fr who is requesting jynx

[limpid sphinx]

oh, a jynx could be fun lol

[cursive brook]

It also is case dependent

[young karma]

yeah, i learned that when i did a togepi fusion

[fierce flume]

Ultra Necrozma/Bellossom

[young karma]

but honestly, im kinda ready for something funky, lets have some fun trying to figure this out

[summer nebula]

request something deliberately bad to guarantee you'll have one less opponent to get in the way of winning (this is a joke, please do not actually do this)

[frozen blade]

Oh yeah miltank is so hard to work with 😮‍💨

[cursive brook]

It’s harder because you actually have to draw miltank

And deal with drawing it

[frozen blade]

I guess that's why there aren't any sprites of it unlike Klang

[limpid sphinx]

miltank and slaking being in that placement its funny

big body, good proportions

as head you can make some fur

idk

slaking is goat

and i like miltank a lot too

idk the tier list dont look that consistent imo, tbh, i just want to have fun and sprite something that is not a small body mon lmao i like challenges

idk if gamr is gonna make a good filter and if someone troll with the request that could be deleted or idk, i hope

is a good way to not have toxic stuff

[twin locust]

Redo the vote

[uncut shadow]

sorry im kind of out of line with the event, we start spriting next week?

[young karma]

yes, once the window for requests closes, everyone will be assigned a request from someone else and then they get two weeks to complete the sprite request

[uncut shadow]

well good luck to anyone unfortunate enough to get my request, i requested my most sought after sprite but i never made it because its too complicated

[limpid sphinx]

we gonna know who did the request? lmao

[thin dove]

...well, i ...uh...did something

[thin dove]

small body mons can be challenging if you want to get a lot of detail in them

it's all about how you perceive it. you want to have good shading on a smaller body, you gotta know where every pixel goes

[fierce flume]

Found a cool one to request

[thin dove]

who the heck said Igglybuff was "easy to work with"?

Igglybuff can be a pain to work with. If you got a pokemon that has any head stuff at all it can ovverride Igglybuff's head puffs which are one of the only signifiers of Igglybuff at all

if you're using Igglybuff as the head, you've got almost nothing and unless you really stretch it it's gonna look like a head-on-body

[plush vale]

https://i.gifer.com/embedded/download/9DPj.gif

[thin dove]

potential totodile base

[limpid sphinx]

i just said that cuz i want to do a big sprite lol

[thin dove]

lol

[thin dove]

how many Delibirds and Glaceons do you think got on this list

[rich tree]

Wait are the sign-ups for the secret Santa still open?

[tulip tusk]

I think there's like a week deadline

[rich tree]

Ahh I see. Do you know where I can find the Google form to sign up?

[tulip tusk]

announcements

[rich tree]

Oh wait nvm it's in #secret-spriter-2026

[young karma]

shhhh

[cursive brook]

iggly buff is fully pink

has hair a swirl and eyes

[fierce flume]

I want this homie in the pool for Secret Spriter, forgive the walls of text of encouragement lol https://discord.com/channels/302153478556352513/1179161962882547733

[uncut shadow]

Dont worry the non-spriters cant access the channel

It will say "#Unknown"

[plush vale]

actully it says no access

with a lock

https://tenor.com/view/unown-pokemon-gif-23373932

[uncut shadow]

Oh

Well now i know, thank you

[sinful pendant]

What is the worst possible fusion request I can make with these?

Stunfisk/Whirlipede seems pretty cruel

[young karma]

i think lickitung could actually be used for some good options. same with slacking

[young karma]

https://tenor.com/view/tissue-roll-cute-gif-7442043

[cursive brook]

How do you get feedback during secret spriter?

Or can you not get any

[cedar quest]

From spritework

Put it in as if it were any other sprite

[cursive brook]

How do you post and be secret?

[cedar quest]

Like don't label it "Secret Spriter"

[cursive brook]

[cedar quest]

This whole thing is more of a White Elephant type of thing

[cursive brook]

Oj

[cedar quest]

The person who requested it is going to know it's theres

By simply seeing it

But you don't know who you got

[young karma]

i wasnt thinking it was going to be too secret, more of a everyone swap requests kinda thing

[cedar quest]

Pretty much

Secret Spriter is just a play on words of Secret Santa while keeping the alliteration

[cursive brook]

Are you allowed to say you were the one when the sprite comes out and you see it?

[cedar quest]

I mean...I can't stop you, but...you shouldn't say it is your request when you see it

Takes out the fun

[rapid knot]

So... It's not that you don't know who got your request. It's that you don't know whose request you got

[sly gorge]

are we allowed to reveal that info after Secret Spriter ends?

to add onto that, are we allowed to reveal who we were spriting for when we send the sprites to the gallery?

[rich tree]

I think yes to both based on what I remember from last year

[cursive brook]

Nice nice nice nicr

I get it now

[cedar quest]

We don't tell you who you get y'know

[green locust]

who reacted and spelled a word in the new announcement

[toxic grotto]

this sounds so fun

[plush vale]

kakuna/metapod

[plush vale]

flat tire

[summer nebula]

Probably Tyrogue/Stunfusk tbh

[haughty haven]

Haven’t made my request yet but I’m also kinda nervous to join because I’m a little afraid to get something “difficult” or something I can’t execute well lol

also stuck on what to req bc I wanna do smth fun but I also don’t wanna make it something terribly ambitious or complex sounding

man I’m like really overthinking this 😭

[dull mortar]

pats!

I'm gonna try and do something not complicated and on the easier side so that it's not a bad time and easier for plenty of love to go into it

[rough talon]

honestly whirlipede + weedle would be funny

[daring barn]

When will we recieve the message with the sprite to make?

[worldly widget]

next week

[elder venture]

My temptation to give a difficult request but not really out of cruelty, but I like the challenge of it myself. Hopefully I gave something quite fun and not too difficult.
[edit] I am a fool, the answer to my question is LITERALLY RIGHT ABOVE.

[elder venture]

Don't fret not being able to execute it "well", it's all in good fun. I understand difficulty may take some of the fun out of it, but it's good practice eh.

[crisp cargo]

slaking
tyrogue
wow a lot of people are wrong

[daring barn]

Sumo fighther Tyrogue.

Or Makuhita-

[plucky arch]

listen, klinklang is always a pain

whirlipede is really tough too

force someone to do a translucent whirlipede

[errant yarrow]

I made one for this fusion a while back. I think it turned out pretty good

Oops, maybe you meant whirlipede head. That would be great with weedle body!

[cursive brook]

Can’t wait to see the request

[cursive brook]

Miltank/jynx

[cursive brook]

Klinklang looks cool as head though

[plucky arch]

its very difficult to do tho

[timid urchin]

What? Klinklang is real easy to do

[lusty pewter]

I'd say it depends on the design. I did a klinklang fusion before and I'd say it ends up pretty well, not too hard either. but when I tried to do klinklang with meloetta I struggle to get the image I want on the sprite

on more simplistic design klinklang (especially head klinklang fusion) can be easy, just put in some gear and some red and teal/blue and you're done

but more intricate design can be a real challenge

but then again you can almost say that to any sprite so... idk how good of an argument that is

[elder venture]

I have done what, two klinklangs? It is hard D: the gears, at least from scratch, are a right pain.

I would make more if I hadn't already suffered through those two. Kudos to those who have no problem with them.

[sinful pendant]

Oh lord that sounds abysmal

Regice/Whirlipede?

[plucky arch]

or Solosis line

[crisp cargo]

depends on how used to spriting gears you are lol

really a lot of this is extremely dependant on the spriter

i for one cannot deal with gardevoir and meloetta fusions too well because i'm not used to spriting humanoids

gimme any of the eeveelutions though and i can thrive

[lusty pewter]

you should make an eevee/meloetta and meloetta/eevee fusion so we can see the difference

def not me trying to get more meloetta fusion

[crisp cargo]

i'm making oricorios/flareon and you will appreciate them and maybe give me pointers on what to improve when i'm done

[cursive brook]

Anything with humanoid proportions is hard

I think I will count midnight lycanroc there

[sly shuttle]

My secret spriter request happens to be between two “Great design, hard to work with” pokémon

[dawn prairie]

Mine too

[full estuary]

Mine is just something easy

For whoever gets it

[lone anchor]

Same

[weary pond]

Mine is a fusion I just want finished, and I dont think I could do

[haughty haven]

wait where are y’all seeing this tier list thing btw lol

[sinful pendant]

https://live.tiermaker.com/625628

[haughty haven]

Oh thank you

[dense jackal]

the secret spriter form doesn't seem like it's fully written 😛

[woven kettle]

Nah that's the best example ever

[dense jackal]

How many people are going to sign up I wonder...

I feel like there'll probably be more participants than the contests

[sterile pasture]

It surpassed last year's total submissions on the first day, and I think Gordo said that was 700 or something

[dense jackal]

Oh sweet everything that's a lot of people

[toxic grotto]

my request is gonna go so hard

I pray for the sanity of the one who gets it

[haughty haven]

Jesus really???

Didn’t even realize we had that many active spriters 😭

[sterile pasture]

That's what I remember but I don't wanna lie to you so lemme try to find it again

[dense jackal]

We do get about 200 sprites a day I think... So I guess that sounds about right 😅

[sterile pasture]

IN MY DEFENSE...
there's a 7 in it
#event-general message

75 last year

[toxic grotto]

so we get them dms at the end of this week and immediately after that we have 2 weeks to make it?

[cursive brook]

I am hoping for a lycanroc fusion for my secret spriter but that’s probably not gonna happen

[dense jackal]

You are the secret spriter 😛
Unless you actually mean the one fulfilling your request, in which case you can practically guarantee it!

[rapid knot]

Plot twist, a lycanroc fusion makes your request

[cursive brook]

I cannot say due to confidential reasons

[agile shell]

requested a fusion that i've been wanting to use statistically for a while

very excited to see how it's interpreted

[toxic grotto]

same, I'm so excited

[buoyant ore]

If you get assigned a fusion you dont wanna do could you trade with someone else?

[dense jackal]

How would you know they don't have yours? 😛

[graceful plank]

I don't think so. that's not how it works

[frigid summit]

I already forgot what I requested so it'll be a surprise to me when I get it lol

[lusty pewter]

lol nice

secret santa but it's also a secret to you

[little cypress]

That’s called double blind

[limpid sphinx]

bro trade the gifts irl

[sly gorge]

Contest results when

I wanna see how low I got

[elder venture]

I legitimately forgot about the contest maybe that was the plan with giving us Secret Santa. If I recall, they got a huuge number of entries for this contest. It'll probably take a while.

[cedar quest]

for the melo one? we got close to 250

Judging is going smoothly

[lusty pewter]

here's hoping I win the contest :)

[thick timber]

Do we know when we're getting our secret spriter requests?

😮

[lusty pewter]

prob a week from Dec 1st

[uncut shadow]

Can a sprite/ contest manager compete in a contest? Im guessing if they do they wont be able to judge?

[cedar quest]

correct

[lusty pewter]

ok then nvm was about to type smth but they answered already XD

[cloud solstice]

250 entries?

If everyone made 3 entries there's like at least 80 participants

[lusty pewter]

that's how much people love doing fusions :)

[cedar quest]

Ik that sounds like a lot and it is

but 250 judged entries is waaaaay faster to do than roughly the same amount in polled entries

[limpid sphinx]

fr

just thinking about all the work to separate in groups, make the polls, wait the resulta, separate in new groups, oh god ☠️

and again and again until hit the finals

[haughty haven]

wait are we no longer gonna do polls for contests anymore?

[crisp cargo]

wouldn't mind that tbh

[haughty haven]

imma honest yea i wouldn’t complain lol

[cursive brook]

What if there are is an odd number of participants

[dense jackal]

for what? I don't see that causing issues for any events here

[lusty pewter]

are you asking about secret spriter? in that case there's no problem. it's randomized, A could get B's request, B could get C's, C could get D's, and D's could get A's

you're not trading requests

(or at least afaik)

[dense jackal]

yeah, it absolutely shouldn't be A&B swap requests, and C&D swap requests. It'll be a cycle of some kind

[cedar quest]

It’s why with sponsored I normally keep the entries kinda low

So this very thing doesn’t happen

[cursive brook]

Can’t wait for lc with unlimited entries

[cedar quest]

man honestly

how long has it been since LC started

a little over 8th months, this month being the 9th

yikes

[runic ruin]

Quick question: how specific do you have to be with your secret spriter request?
Obviously I don’t know who will get mine, so I wanted to ask for a specific head fused with any body, that way whoever gets it has more freedom to work with (I also added a list of suggestions for the body too tho, to give them some ideas).
Would that work, or do I need to change it to one specific fusion?

[dense jackal]

For mine a put a specific fusion and then gave them a Pokémon to use as a head if they didn't want to do the specific

[cedar quest]

One specific fusion works best

People have done something where the give 2 pokemon, but say the order doesn’t matter. That works too

There’s also been “”””dealers choice”””” type of things where people will ask for a specific Pokemon head/body, but give you the option of what you fuse it with

[runic ruin]

Uhh. In that case I’m just gonna hope that what I put works? That or I could change it to be strictly “dealer’s choice”, turning the list of body mons from suggestions into a more specific request.

[plush vale]

I think if its too broad can be daunting to person to know theyll pick one persons gonna be satisfied with

[cedar quest]

oh ik, I’m not a fan on it either since it can make it harder for us to keep track of what requests are done

[limpid sphinx]

i think that be specific is simple

what is better in this case

[steady pasture]

*ahem* Day 3 of asking contest results when?

[plucky crest]

Nuh uh

Day 72

[cursive brook]

The best way to get something quicker

Ask “when”

[plush vale]

great way to get em delayed

[sly shuttle]

Results when?

[steady pasture]

When results?

Best way to get them motivated

[plush vale]

when you give up coffee

[cursive brook]

Coffee tastes bad without anything else

I can’t imagine having to drink it

[plucky crest]

Depends on the blend for me

[steady pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/enough-of-this-blasphemy-south-park-stop-it-enough-no-more-gif-21054233

[thin dove]

will an announcement go off when assignments are sent out?

[little cypress]

I can’t even stand the smell, coffee can just stay the hell away from me 🤣

[cedar quest]

Yep

[nova sand]

i love black coffee even by itself but its good with a lil bit of milk

[lusty pewter]

since there's no poll it's kinda nerve wreaking to know the result of the contest

[plush vale]

wracking*

[lusty pewter]

close enough

[steady pasture]

I've never participated in a community voted contest before, but i like staff judging ones because i get to see my work's quality quantified, and some comments/feedback

[steel vortex]

Contest results how?

[sly shuttle]

Contest results who?

[lusty pewter]

Contest results why?

[lunar comet]

Contest results where

... that's basically the same thing

[plush vale]

contest results what

[dreamy gyro]

Contest results whom’st’ve

[agile shell]

contest results to what extent

[near horizon]

[uncut shadow]

Contest result which

[hazy field]

are you telling me a contest this result???

[dawn prairie]

Contest the results? No, you're not allowed to.

[lusty pewter]

how about results the contest?

[elder venture]

It's always "When is the contest results?", never "How is the contest results?" 😔

[cloud solstice]

why is the result contest ?

[near horizon]

[versed ridge]

Who is contest and why do we need results from thwm

[bright crow]

Contest burned my crops and salted the earth

[crisp cargo]

i'll contest your results

[cedar quest]

Simply put: We agree

LC will probably be the last polled contest for a whiiiile

Although don’t expect any new contests until close to the end of December

Secret Spriter is the thing for this month

[cursive brook]

Imagine the number of entries lmao

[plucky arch]

we should let secret spriter be polled tho imo

(almost every staff member is participating)

[cloud solstice]

the secret spriter event is a contest?

[dense jackal]

there's a contest thrown in there, but principally it's just about making sprites for people

[cloud solstice]

we're getting contested

[elder venture]

They said this year they probably won't do a contest.

[dense jackal]

are you sure?

[limpid sphinx]

i agree with that, but i really like the community polls cuz i can see how general ppl see my sprites too

(even if in general polls is like the more sfx the merrer)

[elder venture]

Oh. The announcement said probably not, but I suppose that's not definitive. Gonna be honest, maybe my reading comprehension is just crap but these announcements can be a bit hard to discern sometimes.

[dense jackal]

but... that is the announcement 😄

[limpid sphinx]

i think this part is talking about the week that we are rn?

like “we could do a contest this week but is better let u guys only with the secret santa for now”

i understanded like that

[elder venture]

Ah right yes I see it. I thought it was in the other channel after the first announcement. But since that was before the second part where they said they might not, I'd be more inclined to assume it's still a "probably not"

[dense jackal]

But what about this then

[elder venture]

I don't fuggin know anymore.

[dense jackal]

😆

[quartz locust]

You have all been judged by me now, as well. 🙂

I was the second-kindest judge this time, so remember that I'm not as mean a critic as people think I am. 😛

[cyan gull]

That's because your anti-dithering propaganda has spread

[elder venture]

I don't know what your voting is typically like, but your feedback generally seems fair to me. You have an eye for keeping things in the gen5 style.

[plucky arch]

nah

it said no contest during Submission Week

basically saying "secret spriter will be the only event this month"

[limpid sphinx]

oof, i understanded it right then

🫦

[plucky arch]

unless gamr is changing shit on me

[limpid sphinx]

feeling like a native english speaker rn

[cloud solstice]

so we might have a contest once submission week is over?

[limpid sphinx]

.

[limpid sphinx]

.

chroma cant read

[elder venture]

Ohh oh hold on, I re-read the announcement, I midunderstood what Gordo was saying. I gotta stop being so confident when I can barely read. Will I learn from this? Naah.

[cloud solstice]

but right above Simon said no contest during submission week, which doesn't mean that it's the whole month without event

[elder venture]

No contest during submission week. Yes contest when we make sprite. That is this month. I think we got it now yeah?

[limpid sphinx]

but... but...

oh god

idk if youre trolling 😭

[elder venture]

Are we actually all illiterate

[open folio]

Submission phase > spriting phase > contest phase

[limpid sphinx]

what if we skip the spriting phase? could be cool

the best request win

[cloud solstice]

I'll just wait and see what happen IG

[limpid sphinx]

what you dont get about secret santa be the only event of the month 😭😭😭😭

[dense jackal]

you don't need to! Contest confirmed! 😆

[cloud solstice]

I'm not too keen on the secret spriter contest tbh, I just want to do the request and sprite

[thin dove]

I still think sticking a contest onto something that is normally for goodwill is really weird, but i'm glad that a secret santa is happening

[limpid sphinx]

well, its not like were paid when win a contest lol

its for goodwill anyways

[cloud solstice]

no but it give sort of a value/judgment to it, like imagine people judging the present you made for someone

[limpid sphinx]

since its a community poll, you dont gonna get any zero

its just like "i like that one more"

and not like "mm that is 5 and that is 1"

[cloud solstice]

also it turn it a bit of a "who can make the best present" competition

[limpid sphinx]

well

u can accept any #sprite-requests and give that ppl a present without being in the secret santa contest anyways

if you join the event knowing that have a contest in the end, you know what youre doing, then i dont think that is a problem tbh

if is just for make a random request be real

we literally have a channel full of that XD

im trying to accept some requests the last weeks, santa vibes catch me

[cloud solstice]

it doesn't really feel the same tho, and it's an event
I'm not completely against the contest, it just feel wierd to me

[limpid sphinx]

well

if its a event w/o a contest in the end

it was supposed to be the same as u accept a random request for the request channel

if you want something more secret

close your eyes, scroll up the page and where you stop you accept

(i did it one time btw LMAO)

kinda funny ngl

[plucky arch]

the contest is the way to show off all the submissions done

and gives motivation to complete them + do them well

[thin dove]

yeah same honestly, i keep going between requests, doing team stuff, doing stuff for people, and then fucking not getting out of bed and getting mad at myself for not spriting on some days lmao

if you don't have the motivation to do a sprite well in the first place and you need the promise of a competition to do that for you, you should have never signed up for a secret santa

[dense jackal]

tbh my motivation to try my hardest is the fact it's a request from another person. The contest makes no difference to me because my motivation is maxed out by the person

[limpid sphinx]

yea i feel that too

[thin dove]

i mostly feel the same except now i know that my attempts are going to be judged by a slew of other people in addition to the recipient let's be fair we're in a public server that would happen anyway but i digress

[limpid sphinx]

yea that makes sense but, its not like we can control everyone that sign up there lol

[thin dove]

and idk, someone working really hard on a sprite for someone else who just doesn't have a lot of the technical knowledge yet doesn't exactly deserve to have their feelings crushed by a panel of judges telling them "oh well here's some vague things that were wrong with the free gift you made for someone else"

• getting an announcement ping that someone else's gift was the best gift out of everyone's

[limpid sphinx]

so what

lol

[plucky arch]

thats why its polls

[thin dove]

it's kinda the whole "don't look a gift horse in the mouth" thing

[plucky arch]

its not judges

[limpid sphinx]

nah youre just complaining about nothing

[plucky arch]

the server votes

[limpid sphinx]

[cloud solstice]

IDK if it makes it better or worse

[limber venture]

this christmas im gonna gather all of my family in a room and rank the gifts they gave me in front of them

[dense jackal]

the way i judge the fulfilment of my request will not be changed in the least by the opinions of others

[thin dove]

honestly this is a good way to go about it, yeah

[limpid sphinx]

thats good, at least you receive gifts

[limpid sphinx]

exactly

[thin dove]

but people tailoring their sprites or something to fit the appeasement of the public (which is going to happen if you make this a public contest) for a competition is kind of against the entire spirit of a secret santa

[cloud solstice]

if the server votes that means that you should do SFX right?

[thin dove]

please no

[limpid sphinx]

but well, anyways, if youre warned before join the event, and you know that there is gonna be in a contest in the end, you have the option to participate or not

[limpid sphinx]

yes, a lot

[limpid sphinx]

🔥✨💦⚡

🌌

[plucky arch]

do the request first, contest is just a fun way to celebrate them

[cloud solstice]

how do you do if you make alts?

will people get their requested sprite first or will the contest happen before that?

[limpid sphinx]

tbh since its not staff judge is really a better way to do that, cuz nobody is gonna be in the last place, nobody is gonna receive bad votes, its cool

[limpid sphinx]

well, you gonna post it on spritework before submit to the contest, right? 😂

[cloud solstice]

in the previous polls, you could see the amount of votes per sprite, so you can in fact, have 0 votes and know it

[plucky arch]

they get them during the contest

were not hand delivering 250 sprites sorry 😅

[limpid sphinx]

yea keep complaining xD

[cloud solstice]

they get them once the sprite is eliminated

[plucky arch]

if you want the sprite you requested you just gotta look for it

[limpid sphinx]

we gonna know who submit the request when receiving that to sprite?

[plucky arch]

we'll prolly just release a list with the contest results

[limpid sphinx]

oh

i was thinking about ping the requester on spritework thread, but well

[cloud solstice]

idk if you're supposed to

[plucky arch]

theyre not supposed to see it until the contest

[limpid sphinx]

lol

[cloud solstice]

it's not technically finished but people do ping the requester for regular requests

[plucky arch]

you can still post it in spritework tho (and please do,, oh god get feedback please)

[limpid sphinx]

i look at spritework everytime, im gonna be spoiled

😭

[cloud solstice]

maybe there are the same request asked multiple time?

[elder venture]

The SFX was a good point... Will SFX be allowed?

[cloud solstice]

they better say so before the spriting start if so

same for the kaiju rule

[dense jackal]

Everyone is going to be posting like:
#is-my-sprite-ready yet? (It's for secret spriter. If your request included a water type pokemon don't look!)
[SPOILERED IMAGE]

[elder venture]

Spoiler image is a good idea though, I forgot that was a thing.

[cloud solstice]

does the spoiler work for the threads too?

[dense jackal]

i guess you can do:
Give feedback here: || #1110680705018646658 ||

Not literally with the projects hub! I just needed a thread! 😅

[cloud solstice]

no I mean the thread thumbnail

seems like you can

[dense jackal]

yeah, it probably would, but i do think that'd be annoying for managers looking for stuff. So i'm inclined to say just don't go to #1050404143807873157 if you care that much about avoiding spoilers

see who's asking for feedback in #spriting-discussion or #is-my-sprite-ready

[cloud solstice]

what if you are pinged by the givefeedbackpls?

[dense jackal]

ummmmm 😛

get gud

just don't look

skill issue

[astral niche]

Secret spriter seems so fun hopefully I don’t get a requested that’s too difficult.

But if does at least it gonna be a training

[astral niche]

Oh so that’s how it gonna work

[limpid sphinx]

need more black outlines
stop to follow the thread

you dont even need to look at it

[cloud solstice]

square sprite
leave the joltik body thread

[astral niche]

Lol

[cedar quest]

I mean…pretty much

I was saying during the end of spriting phase n such, is the earliest that there could be a new event

So if you wanted to do your thing that’d be when

[cedar quest]

True true

You do it

[plucky arch]

bet

[cursive brook]

So you just post the sprite like normal when you make it right?

I will just post everything as a spoiler

Make people have to guess

[cedar quest]

yea

[solemn orbit]

I am once again reposting the sprite tier list for secret santa

[crisp cargo]

bad tier list and hard to read

[toxic grotto]

fr

[dawn prairie]

stunfisk too low

[solemn orbit]

Its my least fav

I HATE IT

IT SHOULDNT EXIST

[cursive brook]

A list bigger than my motivation

[solemn orbit]

WHOEVER MADE IT SHOULD BE FIRED

(Sorry for large text)

[cursive brook]

Flat

[subtle moss]

That would be Mana Ibe

who had the desire to make the flattet Pokémon ever

[bright crow]

Oops i chose a bad design and hard to work with and a great design thats hard to work with 😅

Not taking it back

[solemn orbit]

What did you do

[cursive brook]

Don’t take it back

[toxic grotto]

from that list I chose one from the orang tier fused with one from the yellow

[bright crow]

Youll find out, if youre lucky

[solemn orbit]

They made victini but that doesn't excuse it

[cursive brook]

I requested a request that is a request

[bright crow]

This list is weird

[solemn orbit]

why

[cursive brook]

I think we can stop

[bright crow]

The entire please don't request these tier

[cursive brook]

The joke is past its prime

[bright crow]

What joke

[cursive brook]

The tier list?

[bright crow]

Is the tier list a joke?

I thought they were being genuine

[solemn orbit]

You think slaking should be used?

[solemn orbit]

I was

[subtle moss]

I don't like a tier list ranking pokémon 'objectively'.

[bright crow]

Absolutely i think slaking rocks

[subtle moss]

no one list will be a true definitive one, and every Pokémon is someone's favorite

[solemn orbit]

Have you ever used it in a fusion?

[subtle moss]

hard and easy to work with, that I get

[solemn orbit]

true

[bright crow]

Yeah, i made a base sprite for it too

[solemn orbit]

But like

[subtle moss]

but design is too subjective

[solemn orbit]

I dont mean design

I mean like

if you should use those for the thing

because

its hard to use

like slaking

its one of the most annoying pokemon to sprite with

[bright crow]

Slaking isnt really that hard imo

[solemn orbit]

Then why is it always the last to go when a pokemon's chart is done

well most times

[bright crow]

I just disagree from experience

[solemn orbit]

Also the only biases really were lanturn line and stunfisk

[bright crow]

I think making a tierlist is unavoidably biased no matter what

https://tenor.com/view/big-lebowski-the-dude-your-opinion-gif-4476328

[solemn orbit]

true

[cursive brook]

Can’t wait for ditto to go in hard to work with

[solemn orbit]

Ditto wasnt on the list

[dense jackal]

eyyyy, i picked two great designs! (it's just that one is hard to work with)

Oh, i just noticed all regi's are in easy to work with...i trust this a lil' less

[broken robin]

yeah thats straight up wrong

I feel like I cant formulate opinions about most of the mons tbh

or at least not to this level of specificity

like I could point to a few I know are difficult

[dense jackal]

yeah, i only have 25~ sprites myself 😛
Haven't touched close to half the pokemon

[late sequoia]

Any list like this is subjective to each spriter cause there are ones you might find easy that others don't ect.

[broken robin]

show me the person that finds regis easy to work with

[dense jackal]

it ain't me 😆
I did regirock/onix and i still took a couple hours to get the colours right when i didn't need to do any shape-work 😛

[vestal silo]

I still haven't even posted 1 of my entries in spritework haha.

Probably just wait until after the results at this point

[cursive brook]

I really hate working with regis

Personally

It’s the shape

[little cypress]

The point of tiers for a single person is to be subjective so yeah, singular tier lists are inherently biased. Collective tier lists approach objectivity.

[little cypress]

So the head fusions are fine then right?

[bright crow]

collective tier lists have a community bias

[little cypress]

Not with a large enough sample size, no. It’s statistically impossible to have a bias once you reach a specific number of random population numbers

[bright crow]

to be fair, depends what your definition of random is, as randomness can have bias toward higher population demographics

tier lists can really only be objective when they represent quantitative data instead of qualitative data

[steel vortex]

Bruh Groudon is in easy to work with, Turtwig, Marill and Gardevoir in hard to work with, Cradily Ninetales, Nidoking, and Furret is in bad design 💀 This entire list blows
I ain't taking a single opinion objective or not from here
Flaaffy's placement is atrocious, ugly AND hard to work with???

[limpid sphinx]

shitlist 😂

but idk maybe can help with something

[steel vortex]

Soemone better give me the most complex request

aka Flaafy/Quilava

[bright crow]

im going to give you exeggcute/gastly

[steel vortex]

Easy clap

[steady pasture]

Wonder if i should participate in secret spriter? My lack of skill aside (especially for non-humanoids), i'll be gone on holiday for more than a week during the spriting period

[robust dagger]

just popped into secret spriter because why not

[junior axle]

I'm just worried I'm gonna get a Groudon fusion and cry myself to sleep

[steady pasture]

If i participate, and i get a non-humanoid, i'll be royally fck'd, especially once i get back from my holiday with far less time to work on it

[junior axle]

It be funny if I get an exact fusion I did already

[hazy field]

hoping I get something Weird 🙏

[lusty pewter]

how much is "more than a week"? cuz the spriting event is 2 weeks long so you should still have a few days to make it (assuming you have some free time when you get back)

[steady pasture]

since we don't have an exact date for when the spriting period is over, i'm assuming i'll only have 3-4 days

[lusty pewter]

my guess we'll get the request a week after dec 1st (when the request gathering started)

or maybe we get it a bit later, maybe on 10/11th (since if you got 2 weeks to work on then starting from 10/11th would have the deadline be right on either christmas eve or christmas day)

[uncut shadow]

Do we get more then 1 sprite request for secret spriter?

[lusty pewter]

kinda doubt it

[plucky arch]

no

you just get the one

[rotund gate]

Pikachu is in bad design.... he's just a cute little rat boy

[steel vortex]

They hate that he's marketable

[rotund gate]

I mean does every pokemon have to look like a God to be good design?

[steel vortex]

Nope, case in point, Deerling baby

[uncut shadow]

Good, readable design

[rotund gate]

Define readable?

[uncut shadow]

With the amount of first stages brobobly i think they cant judge based on the cool aspect

[steel vortex]

I can see a lot of the small bodied Pokemon, especially 1st stage birds, being hard to read as bodies
Though I will say Pikachu is very recognizable due to the tail and colour scheme/face for both heads and bodies

[rotund gate]

I feel like some people probably do think that certain pokemon designs are bad just bc they aren't "cool"

[steel vortex]

Oh wait we mean in general or for IF fusions?

[rotund gate]

Yeah exactly. I did a ponyta/Pikachu fusion and it turned out really well i think

[steel vortex]

Neat!

[rotund gate]

I mean in general but could probably apply to both

[uncut shadow]

Readable means recognizable, but also one that flows and looks like its own unique thing instead of two mons slapped together, i mean everyone can slap a pikachu head on a tyranitar

[steel vortex]

If I can tell what 2 mons were used, and it doesn't look like the autogen made it, you're probably gucci

[rotund gate]

Okay makes sense

[steel vortex]

Although I feel practically every Pokemon is fusable in a way that is recognizable, so half of that chart still blows
Those that aren't are probably first stage, or look exactly like their evo/pre-evo lol

[rotund gate]

Yeah don't really agree with that list. I might be biased but I don't think rapidash/ponyta are just average designs. It's a fire horse I think that's pretty cool and recognizable if you do it right

[lusty pewter]

I think it's put in average design prob cuz, as you said, it's a fire horse. that's it, it's not bad but it's not super unique like say... metagross, or forretress

but idk just my take on it

[rotund gate]

Idk lol they're my favorite pokes. I think they're pretty cool and i like the detail about their fire only hurting you if they want it to

[steel vortex]

What works as a Pokemon design, and what works as a fusion design definitely differ yeah

If this list goes off of fusion design, Rapidash is really good I feel, the body is plain making it an open canvas for just about anything +the hair can be changed to any free vfx all while still having the ankle adornments and horn (that and being the only horse in IF helps tbh lol), although it really shines as a head what with the free fire and nice palette

As a Pokemon design, I say it's good for what it wants to do, but then that plain body can be a bit boring lol, even some spots or a gradient like real horses would be pretty, or a third colour

[bright crow]

im biased for magcargo- has great head fusion potential. body is a little simple but can still be really fun.

[steel vortex]

Magcargo fusions are always very great texture wise, not easy to pull off so I can see it being harder, but certainly recognizable

[rotund gate]

I've made 6 sprites so far and I think all of them involve ponyta/rapidash

[bright crow]

i think we're really just looking at a tier list that is one person's opinion on every mon and not indicitive of anything but their personal experience

[steel vortex]

And the shell is a bonus

[steel vortex]

Isn't this the community timed list?

[bright crow]

i have no idea tbh

its what it feels like tho

[steel vortex]

Tyrantrum and Haxorus easy, then as is Sceptile and Rhydon no?
if this is personal though, then sorry if my ragging feels targeted, it's mostly in jest and ofc my own ideas of how to catagorize uhm idrk just IF mon fusion difficulty and recognizablity lol
Though if this is community, the masses vary wildly which is expected

[bright crow]

true true

[steel vortex]

Just realized Mareep is in bad design, nvm idc who made this, L opinion /j

And Bunneary what

[rotund gate]

Oof

Seems like most of the cutesy mons ended up in bad design

[bright crow]

some of the great design/easy to work with ones are so intimidating to me i dare not even try

[steel vortex]

I think if the list was separated to either how difficult a mon is to fuse, and how appealing they are cause these clash

[steel vortex]

As someone who loves doing Ho-oh, it is NOT easy

[bright crow]

I did 2 metagross fusions that dude is not easy

[steel vortex]

Those layered thin gradient feathers, I basically draw 4 wings each time

Will say New Bidoof, so true

A lot of baby Pokemon are in great design and easy, so many contradictions
I'll cease, it's just 2 am and I'm bored and don't wanna do work lol

[summer nebula]

i'd argue easy to work with could mean either "really simple to make" or "really easy to make a good-looking design with", and both are very different

[dense jackal]

Just realising this data would be better presented as a graph...

[cursive brook]

Impatient waiting for Saturday

[cursive brook]

Ho-oh is a very fun design though

[steel vortex]

Oh very! Just takes time x)

[cursive brook]

I have only made one ho-oh fusion and it took forever lmao definitely worth it

[steel vortex]

xD Mhm

[uncut shadow]

I love ho-ohs pallete, never made a body fusion with it but i did make some heads and it was really fun

[cursive brook]

Hooh is an a++++++ tier

[dull mortar]

ho-oh hard as body if you want to make it longer tall ways because Wings

[steel vortex]

Close the wings