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[errant yarrow]

@dense jackal are you going to do more stats for this contest? I feel like mine may have been the most agreed upon sprite (almost all 3s, I had one 1 and one 4)

[sly hatch]

here's an edit of the mountain I did with colors that were already available- no change to the shapes, just color reuse

[young plover]

did they not? froslass gave icy theming like with snowstorm, ambipom gave monkey theming like with bloons tower defense 6 monkeys, and snowstorm gave ambipom's tails something to do and extremified froslass

[young plover]

oh right i forgot to reply to that other message
that DO look pretty nice. Does it help with clutter?

[sly hatch]

actually it really does since it doesn't pull your eyes towards it

[cedar quest]

Oh my B Tee, I didn't see that

[heady moat]

I think the problem is that, without knowing the reference, the added elements just seem confusing. I could tell it was a reference, since it had a lot of things not in either Ambipom or Froslass's designs, but I couldn't tell why they were there in the first place other than wanting to reference a thing

[young plover]

ahh, I see how that works, yeah

[plush vale]

yeah references do very poorly here in mini ones if it's not very solid without the references on how it goes back to each mon

[heady moat]

And since the judges are primarily grading off of "How close to a real Pokemon sprite is this", things like the added mountain detract from that grade regardless of whether it looks good or not

[young plover]

I think that having things that aren't necessarily an element of either fusion is fine by principle. Though I guess some more thematic closeness could've helped, like making the staff more closely resemble something from Ambipom or Froslass. (It has a design motif of Froslass but it's kind of subtle)

I mean, I'm fine with losing SOME points, I'm just trying to do "good for making a reference" since I like references
I'm happy with mid, just not as much about super duper mega low

[plush vale]

well look whats the difference with some of the refrence ones that did well in other mini contests

[young plover]

I mean, they still look like Froslass face on Ambipom and the snowy mountain works with Froslass. Still recognizable

[plush vale]

I didn't mean just guessable what components are

and debating everything peoplet try to explain again makes it very unpleasant to try to offer any advice

[sly hatch]

here it is with the tans and greens replaced

[heady moat]

"I think that having things that aren't necessarily an element of either fusion is fine by principle" - That's great! But that's not what the judges are looking for, so it's gonna lose points due to those things

[young plover]

oh yeah, i never thought of using the light part of the scarf as the hoodie that's good

[young plover]

Yes that's fine, I can lose some points, I just don't want to lose all the points

[spring hull]

I'm gonna try to make an updated version of my sprite tomorrow and see if it's any better

[young plover]

I really don't get that point of view, I'm just saying "I see why you think this but (x)" more or less

[plush vale]

well you're asking for advice, and again going on to cirticize judging criteria

[plush vale]

you don't have to accept it 100% but you don't need to argue with it to not do so

[cloud solstice]

I got 17th place

[cedar quest]

I couldn't think of anything cool for this one, so I skipped out

[cloud solstice]

The highest rank I got so far

[young plover]

Yes, I'm not saying that that's a bad constructive criticism of what I said, I'm not arguing against the issue with making a reference, I'm just saying "I've accepted that issue, what else is wrong with it"

[heady moat]

A lot of folks who do reference sprites will upload the reference-heavy version as an alt, and then do a version that removes most of the reference pieces as the main. While I can't claim to be an expert by any means, I think doing the same will help you in future contests

[severe epoch]

16th if you skip the top row!

[outer valve]

Considering last time i didnt make top 100, i consider this a significant win

[cedar quest]

Oh, the sheet only shows top 100?

[young plover]

I mean, I guess getting rid of the reference pieces in some sprites (like this one) works, but also I'm trying to do a good job at having them be a very recognizable reference while also looking like a good fusion

[cedar quest]

I didn't know that

((Meaning I got top 100 for the 2 before this I'll take that!))

[young plover]

nah i'm on there and i'm #166 lol

[cloud solstice]

No, but you can see the rank on the left

[cedar quest]

Ah

[cloud pulsar]

the king have returned!

[steel vortex]

Oo up close I see the back red bow needs shading, as does the whole backside of the head/back and a bit of black outlines, that would help things clash/blend less, want to keep focus areas bright and other parts darker
Bottom right of the legs also needs shading

[cedar quest]

I mean, it's not like I have anything better to do anyways

[cloud solstice]

You made top 25

[dense jackal]

Tbh it somewhat comes down to "the voting criteria of judges is based on the gen 5 pokemon style" and you just... don't care about that style 😅
You're welcome to have your own style of course, and your own opinions on what looks good. But when the criteria is laid out in #spriting-guidelines it doesn't really matter if you agree with the design decisions - but they're there if you wanna use them ^^

[plush vale]

but it's one entry per person 😛

[young plover]

i went from bottom 5 to bottom 20 B)

[steel vortex]

That's definitely do-able
The biggest thing is making sure your sprite is clear on it's own what two Pokemon are being fused (especially to someone who doesn't know the reference), looks fused and not just 'stitched' together, and elements from the ref don't clash with the two fusing mons schemes
That's a good way to make sure a ref is still a working fusion :D
It's like in movies when you wanna make a reference, don't make it so obviosu that those who don't get it feel alienated, keep it subtle so that both people who do and don't know it, enjoy the thing as a whole!
Of course you're free to make ref heavy sprites, they'll be alts lol

[outer valve]

i was one away

[cloud solstice]

Tbf it's mostly blaquaza who's very strict on using the gen 5 style

[cloud solstice]

You don't count the top row

[outer valve]

o

lesgoo

lol

[young plover]

I care I care, I looked in spriting-guidelines
I can check again if you'd like but I DID look in there before
I really like the way Gen 5's linework is done
I might not be following it to a T but that was also my second pokemon sprite ever, thus why feedback is so important for me lol

[steel vortex]

I think following the gen 5 style first, then adding onto it is a good way to make a sprite a bit more detailed without going too ham!

[heady moat]

I think a good example is the Nosepass/Tyrantrum from the last contest - It was an obvious Anjanath to Monster Hunter fans, but also just...looked like a fusion of Nosepass and Tyrantrum. And even then, it won @dense jackal 's coveted "Most Controversial Sprite" award

[young plover]

exactly, kuje a giid nivue referebce!
...i tried to type "like a good movie reference" and that came out

[dense jackal]

I don't chose the winners - mathematics does!!!

[steel vortex]

I know an Anja when I see one, and it also looked like nosepass/tyrantrum ahahah

[steel vortex]

Lmao

[young plover]

Yeah. and I think the issue there was actually that someone who saw it was like "Ehhh that doesn't resemble Nosepass's nose to me..." so it's a delicate art

[wind matrix]

who won most contriversal sprite this time?

[heady moat]

I'm curious to see if you'll do the same for this set!

[pulsar wadi]

that...was an anjanath??

i looked at it again and i still dont see shit gg

[young plover]

that really good jigglypuff traffic cone one might be most controversial, has a 5, a 3, some 2's, some 1's, and some 0's. I can see why they're controversial, there wasn't really room to add much to show that they're Snowrunt since Jigglypuff was suckling on them

[steel vortex]

Lol

[fleet obsidian]

Man there's so many dope ass entries

[outer valve]

Meee

[pulsar wadi]

there it goes

[steel vortex]

wow

[outer valve]

u guys think i wouldve gotten first if i submitted this

[raven pulsar]

1st place

[pulsar wadi]

0 doubt

[dense jackal]

Here's one small example of criteria that may be evaluated by judges. Position/size on screen.

In the picture below you can see your sprite and ambipom positioned on the circles representing the battlefield. Ambipom is, admittedly, quite low on that circle (almost ruining my point) but your sprite in comparison is centred off the bottom of the disc entirely, because of the mountain. And even without the mountain it would feel on the very very edge.

Additionally you can see that your sprite has left about 5 pixels to spare (total) vertically, and horizontally. While ambipom has about 10 to spare on every single side. This makes your sprite come across a reasonable amount larger than the body pokemon you're working from

[cedar quest]

I always forget the circle

[young plover]

the tyrantrum glalie with icicles poking out was also controversial. 4 0's, one one, two twos, a three, and two 4's

[dense jackal]

Working on it 😅

[livid tulip]

Things that aren't in neither of the fused Pokémon is only a good resource when it's to fulfill some details that cannot be changed by original features of any of the main designs (for example, when the head Pokémon is too basic and the body Pokémon is too complex that you will miss some extra features to fuse without looking a recolor).
Most Pokémon have enough features to make good fusion designs by only using their original designs, and forcing something can make the fusion design more "dirty" and difficult to understand

[young plover]

I can sorta see the issue, though I don't feel like the last part is fully an issue, given that their body is still a similar size, they're just standing on a tail that is horizontally outstretched and holding an object which inflates their size

[fleet obsidian]

Wish I could change these scores to my golf scores bro

And my golf scores to my contest scores

My ass getting a hole in 0 and getting my sprite rated an 8 out of 5

[young plover]

unless i am also making a reference :)

[plush vale]

at which point ya generally alt the reference if it doesn't fit cleanly

[livid tulip]

I hate references for that exact reason: forcing a reference kills the purpose of fusing two Pokémon

[young plover]

Big disagree personally.

[fleet obsidian]

You can make good ones

[dull crater]

Huh, I scored quite a bit lower than I'd expected.

[young plover]

If the reference is enough, yes. Though I also just hate the concept of "Yeah this will be the alternative to the GENERATED sprite and there will be no signifier that they have an alt sprite which is knowledge that isn't made completely clear to players unless soemone else tells them"

[fleet obsidian]

Also Mr Probobodies that Glalie/Probopass is a fucking stud

[pastel hollow]

i hardcore agree with this especially when it comes to contests

[spring hull]

I realized this when trying a reference where I got stuck with the fact that I could make it too much of the reference or not at all, making it nothing. Though it probably works out better for certain few fusion combinations

[heady moat]

Definite agree

[pastel hollow]

I don't super mind references in alt sprites since memes can be fun but for contest entries i find it distasteful

[young plover]

???

[fleet obsidian]

Whch is yours?

[young plover]

I don't see how I'm being "distasteful" by having fun

I like references, I make references, bingo bongo

[dull crater]

Jirachi/

85th overall

[fleet obsidian]

I mighta acc seen that it looked sick as fuck

Lemme check

DAMN I love that

[heady moat]

Don't forget, this contest had 4 fewer judges than the last one! Your score may be lower, but your average rating might be higher

[dull crater]

I probably just went too crazy. The Goldeen/ that used my base with mostly just recolor scored a lot higher

[young plover]

So yeah most controversial is probably jigglypuff traffic cone or uhhh the other one i said, I cain't find them

[dense jackal]

Top 5 "controversial" sprites of the Snorunt contest
(A reminder that controversial means the judges couldn't agree with each other on the scores)
Unsurprisingly they all received at least one 0 and one 5 😛

[heady moat]

Damn, the Sableye being controversial surprises me

[plush vale]

the first one ik had a dragonite they were considering but went for that

[fleet obsidian]

Sableye was dope as hell

[young plover]

oh ok i was wrong

[outer valve]

yeah i love the sableye one

[fleet obsidian]

Wait which sableye one

Isn't 72 a sableye too

[outer valve]

both

[heady moat]

Oh shit yeah

[fleet obsidian]

Yeah both dope

[heady moat]

Both of them being controversial surprises me lol

[steel vortex]

That puck man xD

[fleet obsidian]

The ditto is a hood classic

[young plover]

snorunt; rectangular prism

[dense jackal]

I can still only see it as a brick :c

[young plover]

wait is there a brick pokemon

[steel vortex]

Can play hockey with a brick if you try hard enough

[young plover]

oh right stakataka. they're not a SINGULAR brick but

[silver solar]

Seems there was an easier time voting this contest

[steel vortex]

Arguably Stonejournr and Nacl thingy, or Stakatatatatkata ig

[silver solar]

But also rip tyrunt winner

[fleet obsidian]

We built different 🔥

[young plover]

ehhh stonejourner is stone, not clay, and nacl is salt, not clay. i mean i dunno what stakataka is made of but they certainly have a brick-like pattern going on and are made of walls

[grim ether]

ok. can someone Please tell me if youre working on adding new mons to the game . or am i just getting confused. i JUST got back into the server today dont be mean to me or ill cwy

[steel vortex]

Going off of vibe lol

[silver solar]

Nacli disappointed me tbh

[dreamy tartan]

Welcome back yes

[young plover]

i see lol

[silver solar]

I was expecting the snail energy to stick around

[grim ether]

wait for fucking real????

[dreamy tartan]

They are making a voting thing to pick mons

[grim ether]

which mons are getting added

[young plover]

there was/is a poll (is it still up? anyone know?) for adding new pokemon

[wind matrix]

scroll up in #announcements

[dreamy tartan]

Yessir

[silver solar]

That’s completely irrelevant

[dreamy tartan]

It is relevant

For the forms

[silver solar]

Paldean pokemon arent valid options

Neither are galarian or regional forms

[dreamy tartan]

The hell are you talking about?

[young plover]

gen 8 aren't valid options iirc

[dreamy tartan]

Obviously

[steel vortex]

I think you replied to the wrong message lol

[dreamy tartan]

I am telling the dude whatsup thats all

Dunno suddenly I am confused

[silver solar]

I know whats up, ive been here longer than you

[young plover]

so far we have scolipede family (staff pick), tyrantrum family, and snorunt family. next is supposed to be announced tomorrow i think, unless they were joking

[silver solar]

Also sableye

[young plover]

oh yes sableye

thx for adding

[steel vortex]

Sitten was talking about the gen 9 Nacli thing
And you replied with an answer for Dani but to Sitten xD

[grim ether]

SCOLIPEDE SWEEP LFG

[steel vortex]

Scolipede pog!!

[grim ether]

how many more are getting added

[steel vortex]

18-19 I forgot

[silver solar]

They said approximately 20, excluding scolipede line

[young plover]

i just care about whirlipede, funny roly poly pokemon
too bad they're nfe.

[steel vortex]

Oh wait forgot

16

[cedar quest]

No, next is announced tomorrow

[steel vortex]

Just got the snorunt line +Sableye

[dreamy tartan]

So far Since snorunt and tyrantrum and sableye are in that means there is 14 left

[steel vortex]

OH forgot about tyrantrum smh

14 more

[dawn prairie]

I hope it's 21 besides the veni line so the dex ends at 444

[dreamy tartan]

Unless something changes

[silver solar]

But also the contest winners get a pick (they all pick what they want and its random from that), and starters might get added

[outer valve]

I need a time, a minute, a second, and the current moon phase of when it is happening

[young plover]

aight thx

[steel vortex]

They're adding 20 total, but Venipede line didn't count
We got 14 more to go

[silver solar]

No, approximately 20

[dreamy tartan]

You get a say find the form in announcement and make your picks my friend

[silver solar]

Not a hard limit

Plus frog said theres at least one bonus line other than venipede

[young plover]

ooo

[silver solar]

(Like, i dont think if we end at 19 they’ll only pick from single stages for the last one)

[steel vortex]

True

[pastel hollow]

bruxish wont be a bonus line because it obviously got #1 in votes and will show as the last one 😎

[dreamy tartan]

Well regardlesd the ones People get to opinion on the form are 14 could change though

[livid tulip]

Indeed. That time when I read someone breaking rule 7 just to support a reference sprite was my last straw in this matter.

Still, I wouldn't had a problem about references if they were used with moderation, because it's true that sometimes references can be so subtle that without context you won't know they are references, but if people forgets this was about fusing two Pokémon and not about drawing a reference and try to force other two Pokémon somehow to pretend it's a fusion then you can see there's a problem here

[silver solar]

If you really want something specific, get good at contest

[young plover]

bruxish guzzlord

[fleet obsidian]

I'm kinda excited for the next contest ngl

[steel vortex]

Same!

I have new knowledge

[fleet obsidian]

This shit is fun, tickles your brain to make a fusion on a theme

[steel vortex]

Just hope it's a Pokemon I can work with xD

[silver solar]

I know what i would add but i dont think I’ll get a contest win (because i splice which tends to lead to less unique poses than scratching)

[dreamy tartan]

By the way couple of things. Lycanroc line counts as 2 slots despite the forms. So watchout for those kinds of things. Some picks are locked at certain number of slots, so multiple pokemon names multiple slots are used, pick wisely

[fleet obsidian]

I don't! But this time I'm not using Hydreigon as a body!

[steel vortex]

Lmao

[fleet obsidian]

Bro I'm ready for these mfs to drop a banger line at the dead of night

[grim ether]

just realized how insanely long this list is can i just vote for all of them

[steel vortex]

Should be in like 10 hours ish

[silver solar]

I expect it to happen tomorrow or Sunday

[steel vortex]

So enough for me to sleep ahaha

[fleet obsidian]

Ooh 10 hours

I might be awake!

[dreamy tartan]

If you want to suffer when the results come in yeah

[silver solar]

Or, i guess today or sunday 😅

[fleet obsidian]

Bro idek who I want

[steel vortex]

Not exact! Just based on the fact that Kiwi is sleep

[young plover]

My new knowledge iiis...
Be more sparing with colours if I can manage it
and uhhh
I feel like there was more...

[spring hull]

In moderation makes sense for control since you're right that fusions isn't originally about referencing. Good thing I've only ever made 2 references in my entire line up of sprites for this game, which is a small amount anyways

[outer valve]

same, ||I sprite like its an art of stealing||

[dreamy tartan]

General advice is to pick ones that have fusion potential, for the general good of everyone

[silver solar]

It ain’t stealing if you got permission!

[fleet obsidian]

I just want something I can make a sprite of in a contest time frame

[steel vortex]

Yeah ahaha

[silver solar]

Like the tyrantrum I entered

[fleet obsidian]

Theft is my new favourite thing

[silver solar]

That was a splice of 2 bases made by the same person

[fleet obsidian]

My dawg Hi Ok came CLUTCH making a hydreigon base

[silver solar]

But also i made it a little thinner

[young plover]

oh i missed this to be honest
it's still about fusing two pokemon though -.-"

[grim ether]

okie ^_^ so goodra then lol

[silver solar]

Because weavile is thin and an agile stealth predator

[fleet obsidian]

Froslass line was highkey a top tier pick though

Like all completely diff aesthetics, and bodies

[civic mauve]

Wait really?

[silver solar]

Oh yeah, theres a reason i was pushing for it

[dreamy tartan]

Yep

[heady moat]

Snorunt line was a way better set of Pokemon to fuse than I ever expected

[fleet obsidian]

Froslass gang... fall down? Cause we got what we wanted lmfao

[civic mauve]

Guess it's a 0 for me now ^^; What about mons like Oricorio and Castform?

[silver solar]

I can keep gently pushing for less necessary additions that i like aesthetically lol

[fleet obsidian]

Ikr I didn't consider all the possibilities myself despite being a person pushing for it

[dreamy tartan]

I mean what did you expect? We have to pick other 14 more, its gonna be a bloodbath from here

[silver solar]

The xyz legends for one

[signal reef]

Damn just saw the results, I am so happy to got tied for 4th

[fleet obsidian]

Sheesh good job!

[civic mauve]

Personally I think Dhelmise, Heatmor, and Slurpuff are great choices for the cost. Tho Stakataka is my fave of course ^^

[dreamy tartan]

Castform no idea its a single thing. Oricorio neither Since I havent dare ask how many that cuts down

[silver solar]

Dhelmise is great but only if people remember its not the anchor

[dreamy tartan]

Problem is typying and stats if they are different

[civic mauve]

Haunted seaweed my beloved

[silver solar]

If a dhelmise fusion ends up with no plant, is it even a dhelmise?

[young plover]

Well, the anchor works too. Lore-accurate and lore-inaccurate both seem cool

[nimble robin]

Make sure to vote for Skuntank in the Raffle.

[livid tulip]

People will forget the Pokémon is not the anchor.
The same way people forgets Miltank is not only udders

[dreamy tartan]

Someone mentioned Meowstic takes like 3 slots

[steel vortex]

Does female have different stats?

[silver solar]

I’m pretty sure i got blocked by someone over asking people to calm the hell down with the cow

[young plover]

milk is the most famous thing about miltank outside of cow and rollout

[dreamy tartan]

Apparently sucks because I was gonna give some leeway

[silver solar]

And abilities, and learnset

I don’t actually want espurr because meowstic is complicated

[fleet obsidian]

Love me some heatmor

[silver solar]

And espurr is my least favorite of the cats

[steel vortex]

Yea, different learnset and everything whoops

[dreamy tartan]

To be honest Meowstic is not that different in either its not snorunt situation

[fleet obsidian]

I’m a espurr fan for no good reason

[young plover]

Unless they have a fusion clause, Dhelmise is Ghost/Grass, meaning that dhelmise as face wouldn't soley be seaweed and dhelmise as body would need seaweed

[livid tulip]

If Dhelmise gets in I'll get all my fave Pokémon in IF

[silver solar]

People took it too far

[young plover]

i'm glad chatot is the best pokemon of all time and also only takes one slot and is thus a sure-fire hit :)

[silver solar]

Nipple toes

[dreamy tartan]

Seems complicated

[silver solar]

Nipples on raichu cheek

[fleet obsidian]

Hear me out y’all

Tropius

[young plover]

No nipple eyes?

[silver solar]

Things blew up before that, but uh

https://discord.com/channels/302153478556352513/1146491633542631565

Nipple face

[steel vortex]

Miltank teeters around rule 2 at this point sadly

[young plover]

I think Tropius was one of my few 3's. Or i had to move them down to 2 since I had to make sure Chatot was one of 20 Pokemon entries

[dreamy tartan]

I consider it, but I am no ally of it

[silver solar]

The spriters see it as a joke but they took it too far

[dreamy tartan]

By the way

[steel vortex]

I love tropius, but idk what it adds honestly

[fleet obsidian]

Bro sound like a super villain tf

[dreamy tartan]

Can someone tell me what is the deal with chatot?

[young plover]

why does natu not have an eye loool

[signal reef]

What does this mean ?? "end me" ??

[fleet obsidian]

Yeah I’m in the same board

[steel vortex]

Yeah

[young plover]

they are
the best

[steel vortex]

end me

[silver solar]

Because the eye is the alt

[dreamy tartan]

They wanted a self game over

[young plover]

Tropius adds Banana and flying eyes

[silver solar]

Look at miltank/wobbufet

[young plover]

Yes but why is the alt not the main
As you said

[steel vortex]

Flying eyes?

[dreamy tartan]

Still dont get it

[young plover]

Why did they actively choose the one without the eye lol

anyway nipple beak makes sense

[silver solar]

Because the spriter made it as a just in case the other wasn’t allowed

[young plover]

OK, so, Chatot is like, the best Pokemon of all time

[dreamy tartan]

Dude I have parrots and I still dont like chatot

[steel vortex]

Chatot can't scream anymore since gen 5, they ruined it

[dreamy tartan]

Yep

[young plover]

ohhhh ok that sorta makes sense
I like goofy but also AM surprised that that's the eye

[signal reef]

I still dont get it 😵‍💫

[dreamy tartan]

First its nerfed

[young plover]

they got their scream in Gen SIX when they got Boomburst...

[dreamy tartan]

They were too stressed from the contest

[young plover]

...what

[silver solar]

I just want skitty

[young plover]

skitty :)

[robust dagger]

the gremlin

[young plover]

i dont remember what i voted for them but skitty is neato

[dreamy tartan]

Yeah chatot is not what I think of when I think parrots or parakeet

[steel vortex]

I mean, it is a parakeet

[young plover]

They're the Music Note Pokemon

[dreamy tartan]

And?

[livid tulip]

No, some people had no regrets about literally rip off the entire face of the body Pokémon and change it for udders and nothing more. That's what I meant.

[young plover]

the Parrot Pokemon is Squawkabilly who is unfortunately unavailable. That's the second best Pokemon of all time.

[steel vortex]

Bird sing/mimic

[dreamy tartan]

Like there is already musical pokemon whats it gonna add?

[steel vortex]

Oh I don't want it in, just stating stuff xD

[young plover]

Hilarious but I see the problem

[nimble robin]

Not as good as Skuntank.

[young plover]

Like... Jynx and Lapras? And Jigglypuff? They aren't inherently musical but the musical fusions I've seen make me have those come to mind

[dreamy tartan]

Yep

[young plover]

Skuntank's mouth is a rear end, I do not approve

[odd garnet]

Lilligant

[silver solar]

Skitty is baby but most people will say they’re unnecessary

[civic mauve]

Slurpuff also has fruit w/ the cherry on top ^^

[dreamy tartan]

They got enough musical themes going on

[steel vortex]

If Frogman gives Delcatty a SINGLE stat boost, it'll be worth it xD

[young plover]

Disagree

[steel vortex]

Poor thing has negative viability

[livid tulip]

Whimsur line

[steel vortex]

Whismur could be cool, one of the better sound based mons (up for vote that is)

[young plover]

but no banana, only banana with like, monkeys

[silver solar]

Delcatty is basically a contest cat

[livid tulip]

And very different between evolutions

[steel vortex]

Banana Split

[young plover]

Whismur has a hole for their rear end they're one of the worst
I can see Exploud being a decent fuse mon but Loudred is worth very little and that's 3 slots for one good Pokemon when Chatot is better anyway lol

[dreamy tartan]

To be honest Just to not allow chatot in I would vote for exploud I like that line

[steel vortex]

XD Why hate poor Chatot, it only wishes to sing a tune

[livid tulip]

Chatot as body Pokémon is as plain as Pidgey

[young plover]

We don't have a basic cute kitten Pokemon that comes to mind. Meowth is different.

[robust dagger]

I wonder who the next silly lads for the game will be (If they get revealed for a contest)

[silver solar]

Is there even a hyena pokemon, oh, mightyena

[young plover]

Right?

[steel vortex]

Yeah x)

[young plover]

Wrong, metronome tail, parrot, they're epic

[amber sluice]

Chatot is birb. I like birbs. It is also color, and I like color.

[dreamy tartan]

You state chatot is better than whismur line and yet I can think of other ones that would be more fun

[young plover]

SAME!

[dreamy tartan]

Alright gameplay

[silver solar]

Tbh mightyena isnt, really a proper hyena?

[dreamy tartan]

Tell me how good this is

[young plover]

chatot IS better than whismur line lol

[silver solar]

Too wolfy, needs more feline

[dreamy tartan]

Yeah sure

[silver solar]

Hyena are felids that statted to canine

[dreamy tartan]

Uh huh

[steel vortex]

Make it a striped hyena and I'll love it more

[amber sluice]

Sometimes you want a mon in so you can use it to make good fusions. Sometimes you want the mon in so you can use fusions to make the mon good.

[steel vortex]

True

[amber sluice]

Hyenas are cat hardware running dog software. I have a chart

[silver solar]

Salazzlw is the former

[dreamy tartan]

I rather have the mon to make the mon good

[cedar quest]

Meltan is the former

[silver solar]

They also modded their hardware

[steel vortex]

I want Sawsbuck despite it being Normal/Grass only cause fusion potential for 2 slots (and I don't like Stantler at all x) )

[silver solar]

To be more canine

[dreamy tartan]

Sawsbuck gang good times with my deer friend

[young plover]

Wait, was Meltan in the google form? They're like, gen 7.5

[silver solar]

I believe they are

[dreamy tartan]

Yes it is

[silver solar]

Technically alolan

[young plover]

Stantler doesn't serve the same role as Sawsbuck anyway. Stantler and Masquerain have the same role

[dreamy tartan]

They do yeah

[young plover]

I guess if Ash can have a Meltan (iirc) in Gen 7 then Meltan is Gen 7

[steel vortex]

Pfffth
But I agree, there's something much different Sawsbuck provides
Idk about Stantler and Masquerain XD

[dreamy tartan]

Also it doesnt show it in the form but sawsbuck has like 4 forms that are all different

Seasons remember?

[steel vortex]

Mhm!

[dreamy tartan]

So its like 4 in 1

[young plover]

Sawsbuck provides seasons
Stantler and Masquerain just have fake eyes

[dreamy tartan]

Actually scratch that

[steel vortex]

Ah

[dreamy tartan]

Its 8 in 2

[young plover]

Seasons epic

[silver solar]

Yeah, but seasons are less body versatility than other multiple forms

[young plover]

That's true but also seasons are a cool theme

[steel vortex]

I mean, the forms are physically different!

[silver solar]

Zygarde has that body versatility

[dreamy tartan]

It has tons of variety

[civic mauve]

Another pokemon that would be good is Aromatisse. It's a Plague Doctor, Can-Can Dancer, Owlbear, shaped like a Perfume Bottle, wearing make up

[steel vortex]

Not drastically

[young plover]

Zygarde sounds good yeah

[silver solar]

I said body versatility

[dreamy tartan]

Yeah

[silver solar]

They’re all approximately the samw shape

[steel vortex]

But the leaves and fluff changes, and even small tid bits!

[dreamy tartan]

Zygarde is cells

[young plover]

Definition of "we can fix them"

[steel vortex]

That's true

Slurpuff>Aromatisse

[silver solar]

Zygarde has 4 canon shapes to use

[dreamy tartan]

But like thats adding another legendary

Post game

[civic mauve]

I want both tbh

[silver solar]

Eh, when was squishy found?

[steel vortex]

I only like Zygarde snake form x)

[steel vortex]

Fair and based

[silver solar]

That could be used as an excuse to make it earlier game

[civic mauve]

It's also a planarian ^^

[dreamy tartan]

I can vote for the the y and x legends, but zygarde to me its Just there

[amber sluice]

Slurpuff and Aromatisse both deserve to get it for opposite reasons imo

[young plover]

Squishy literally doesn't have in-battle stats and if we have more than one stat set for Zygarge that means they take more slots

[young plover]

lol

[silver solar]

I meant in the anime

[steel vortex]

A flatworm? Iirc

[dreamy tartan]

I went with aromatisse

[silver solar]

Use anime as excuse to get it early

[dreamy tartan]

No thank ya

[young plover]

but they'd have the stats of default zygarde lol

[dreamy tartan]

It has 1 form

[civic mauve]

And a hydra which ties into both ^^

[steel vortex]

Play randomizer silly

[dreamy tartan]

1 single stage you could bend it but its still zygarde

[silver solar]

Little one wanders to you and then maybe has a tiny event to get bigger

[amber sluice]

of the two aromatisse is defintiley my preferred because spritzee is baby birb and as previously stated I like birb

[steel vortex]

It is trying to do that xD

[young plover]

birb IS epic

[dreamy tartan]

I do like that one

[silver solar]

I, forgot aromatisse is a bird

[dense jackal]

love that everyone will wake up to the contest being buried by another leak of #pif-hoenn-discussion 😛

[dreamy tartan]

Spritzee beats the chatot machine

[steel vortex]

Though I prefer the XY legends to their Z overlord lol
Idk why

[young plover]

wrong, chatot epic

[steel vortex]

Shhhhhhhhhhh
(whoops, will digress xD)

[silver solar]

#pif-hoenn-discussion is full of non spriters

Spriters think of additiona different

[young plover]

this is what happens when we're left in anticipation, this is TECHNICALLY contest discussion

[amber sluice]

there was a revalation in #pif-hoenn-discussion just earlier today of all the themes Aromatisse has going on, including Plague Doctor, Owlbear, Can-Can Dancer and Perfume, among others

someone lost their bananas

[dreamy tartan]

Its because they feel like they balance each other meanwhile zygarde is like the force save earth message

[young plover]

That's Tropius

[steel vortex]

It is a very rapid chat and I got a headache chatting there xP
I do think maybe we can use #spriter-general and if that second spriter channel goes through then that'd be nice!

[rough talon]

i really love aromatisse

[young plover]

wait, zygarde has a message?

[rough talon]

kind of a shame people think its a bad mon

[dreamy tartan]

Save the earth, thats why greninja had to leave

[young plover]

aromatisse is strange. but good fusion material

[young plover]

oh, in the anime, ok

[steel vortex]

For me, I feel like Xerneas/Yveltal are more living creatures, but Zygarde comes off as mechanical for some reason XD very much a me thing

[dreamy tartan]

I mean i can tell you gen 3,4, 5 message

3 was land, sea, air

[amber sluice]

I was really hoping for more bird out of Aromatisse when it came out. I loved Spritzee so bad, but Aromatisse is too much. I wanna use it in fusions to either tone it down or tune it more to my tastes

[steel vortex]

Hmm I don't see many ideas
Got any?

[dreamy tartan]

4 was space, time, dark matter

[civic mauve]

#event-general message

[young plover]

plague doctor means you fuse them with a strong poison and/or ghost type and they're literally and figuratively sick

[dreamy tartan]

5 was thunder fire ice for stats of energy

[rough talon]

i dont really know what you mean by aromatisse being too much

[silver solar]

To be fair, that message is still important and being ignored mostly by rich assholes but also people still litter and don’t recycle and such

[civic mauve]

Aromatisse is already perfect

[steel vortex]

I feel like the plague doctor theme will be ran into the ground xD
But could do stuff

[civic mauve]

And so is Bruxish while we're at it

[amber sluice]

The best way to put it is that it's got a lot going on in the theme department and I personally feel like that makes the elements I personally like feel muddied/subdued among all the other elements. Like when food or scents are too rich and overpowering. But I do want pink fairy birb faced mons

[civic mauve]

It can do so much stuff

[rough talon]

AHH i get it

[silver solar]

Bruxish might be challenging

[rough talon]

yeah. that's fair. but i want aromatisse regardless

[dreamy tartan]

It is populae

[silver solar]

Lotta colors

[rough talon]

Just a fun mon to work with

[young plover]

bruxish lickilicky

[tepid seal]

believe me, it isn't

[steel vortex]

I like the colours, though fluffy and pink isn't super rare

[dreamy tartan]

Could also go down the flamingo or dancer route

[steel vortex]

People are gonna exceed 25 colours so much with bruxish I swear

[amber sluice]

But yeah what made Aromatisse disappointing to me when it first came out makes it a m a z i n g for fusions, I want it very much

[dreamy tartan]

In terms of potential aromatisse was made for this

[steel vortex]

I feel those are too specific for multiple fusions xD

[tepid seal]

it's just throwing random colours into everything, and it works perfectly since bruxish's pattern is already messy

[civic mauve]

I mean, w/ fusions you can pick and choose whichever theme you like which is what makes it so good

[dreamy tartan]

Pink dark is beautiful

[tepid seal]

dw, I have already made some and that never happened

[dreamy tartan]

Brusxish is Just psychedelic

[steel vortex]

The less practiced people xD

[civic mauve]

And that's why it's great ^^

[amber sluice]

Exactly yeah I can have it be fairy/flying birb or fairy/poison doctor! I have options! I want to use those options!

[dreamy tartan]

... I already vote it for it you can stop rubbing my brain lol

[tepid seal]

as long as they eyedrop the colours we should be fine

[dreamy tartan]

The case is to actually observe and see how you could use what the pokemon bring

[steel vortex]

Ofc, then there's those who don't and somehow go past 20 colours on a Pokemon with like 10 colours lmfao

[amber sluice]

...been digging this whole time for my darn animal hardware/software grid and I can't find it, rip me I need to organize my files

[dreamy tartan]

For instance mightyena might be innacurate but In terms of what it brings in both body and head parts its quite abundant

[tepid seal]

they are just magicians

[steel vortex]

xD

[civic mauve]

I really hope Eelektrik gets in as the contest mon. I just want to make bioluminescent lamprey leech eels and that way I don't have to feel bad about the 3 slots

[dreamy tartan]

To be honest I want that too

Buuuuuuuuuut that 3 slots hits hard

In terms of gen 4 picks, I mostly picked lilligant and sawsbuck

Mostly for simplicity

[steel vortex]

If it was just Tynamo and Eelektross, then yes

[dreamy tartan]

Ah if only

[steel vortex]

They're gen 5 xD

[dreamy tartan]

Oh right whoops

But seriously sawsbuck is a good pick

[steel vortex]

I hope

If not Sawsbuck, I'll cope with Shaymin/Xerneas

(Which may be even better)

[civic mauve]

Has everyone here heard my arguments for Stakataka and Kartana?

[gloomy inlet]

Among my top picks are probably Dhelmise and Wishiwashi, they're both high on my Pokemon tier list and they would have amazing fusions
edit: can't forget my favorite 'mon Noivern

[steel vortex]

Ok propaganda goes to #pif-hoenn-discussion >:( /j

[dreamy tartan]

you might think its only the antlers but its actually big parts of its body

Here is an example of an idea

[steel vortex]

Yeah! From Summer's neck tuft to the ankle markings, small things

[civic mauve]

Plus it's more colors for head palettes

[amber sluice]

Oh i found it, finally, I get how it got in the illustration folder but that's not where it belongs.

Anyway, behold the animal hardware/software grid. Blank spaces mean I don't know what goes there

[dreamy tartan]

Autum form. Plus gengar, scary dark leaves and sinister grin

[dreamy tartan]

Exactly!

[steel vortex]

Lizard/Dog when? Drake

[dreamy tartan]

And they all count

My personal favorite is winter form

Just beautiful

[steel vortex]

Winter and Autum! Just like real life, my faves!

[dreamy tartan]

Its so beauiful stanlter had to have it

[steel vortex]

xD

[civic mauve]

Lizard/Bird could be a feathered dino

[dreamy tartan]

Sawsbuck opens the Door to seasonal themed fusions

[amber sluice]

There was hearty debate on whether Tegus should go in the dog software/lizard hardware slot

[dreamy tartan]

And they Just adapt with what you want body and all

[steel vortex]

HAH yes xD

[dreamy tartan]

By the way has anyone actually see the moveset sawsbuck gets?

It was nuts

[steel vortex]

People wanted a spooky month Pokemon, screw Pumpkaboo and Trevenant
Say hello to Autum Sawsbuck +any Ghost/Dark type >:)

It's a very strong physical set

[severe dust]

#pif-hoenn-discussion

[steel vortex]

Ack right, sory

[severe dust]

np

anyways can anyone guess which # i was

[steel vortex]

7

Wait

How many were there

[severe dust]

11

[steel vortex]

ok yeah 7 :)

[severe dust]

i was not 7

[steel vortex]

** **

[civic mauve]

Is that Tee #?

[severe dust]

ye

ill only confirm or deny one more

[civic mauve]

I have no idea, I don't think I've ever gotten you in feedback so the only thing I know is you like Archeops xD

[silver solar]

Oakwood likes dinos

[severe dust]

i used to hunt em and eat em

[silver solar]

And other fossils

[steel vortex]

You killed them all!?

[severe dust]

yes

i want archeops in to atone for what ive done

[wispy vortex]

I get sooo close every contest 😅

[surreal folio]

How could you make the dinosaurs go extinct, oakwood? Not cool.

[civic mauve]

That's why they're actually extinct. It wasn't the meteor

[severe dust]

meteor was my nickname back in high school

[surreal folio]

They called you Mr. Fahrenheit

You travelled at the speed of light

[severe dust]

heh

my students keep spelling my last name wrong

[silver solar]

Are you, #4

[severe dust]

nope

[silver solar]

Damn, it seemed promising based on what i know

[civic mauve]

Welp, guess we'll never know now

[silver solar]

You know what hurt

Seeing 96x96 sprites

And one that was probably resized wrong

[civic mauve]

Yeah, that's always heartbreaking since it's such a simple fix

[silver solar]

There was at least 2, and the half pixel mess

[civic mauve]

Was that the pyukumuku snorunt? I got called to feedback on it but I guess they didn't see in time

[silver solar]

I think it was, pretty sure it had pyuku mouth

[civic mauve]

Which is a shame since it was such a cutie

[fleet obsidian]

There’s some creative stuff you can do with Tropius body and other nature themed Pokémon for sure, and that’s just one niche thing

[civic mauve]

I feel like the body’s pretty similar to Meganium’s and you can get fronds from Exeggutor. The banana is irreplaceable however, tho at least Slurpuff also adds a fruit option ^^

[dreamy tartan]

Bananas

[fleet obsidian]

Yeah he’s not super versatile

[dreamy tartan]

banana

[fleet obsidian]

But he’s a single slot for some good usages

[dreamy tartan]

b a n a n a

[fleet obsidian]

Banana

[civic mauve]

Bananananana

[dreamy tartan]

A N A N A B

[civic mauve]

…Batman

[dreamy tartan]

XD

[fleet obsidian]

See I’d rather have Tropius than something like Leavanny tbh cause Leavanny line is 3 of the same aesthetic, but Tropius is a single slot

[fleet obsidian]

See you right

[dreamy tartan]

May I sell you some lillies that are elegant?

[fleet obsidian]

But I feel like Tropius a bit longer

[dreamy tartan]

They only cost 2

[fleet obsidian]

Also custom bases could make Tropius fucking sick

[fleet obsidian]

Oh and also I ain’t picking Meganium 💀💀💀

No diss but Treecko and Torterra both go over Maganium for me in any playthrough

[dreamy tartan]

To be honest tropius can be summed up as banana dinosaur

[fleet obsidian]

No you can’t cause I alr bought

[dreamy tartan]

Thank you good sir

[fleet obsidian]

Ofc

[dreamy tartan]

Honestly its not that tropius is bad

I actually think its quite nifty

The thing is that its not as versatile

And it mainly comes down to the body shape

Head and wings are perfect

Legs and torso though thats a bit on the abstract side

[young plover]

tropius is also large enuogh to be a flying island
basically a flying banana torterra

[dreamy tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/tropius-electrike-pokemon-gif-27432734

[young plover]

why are they running

[dreamy tartan]

Cuz why not

[young plover]

wings

[dreamy tartan]

But there you see an issue

Tropius legs and torso

[gloomy inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/twgcf-jjkneko-gif-23550263

[young plover]

issue?

oh wait you were complaining about tropius not complimenting them, got you mixed up

[dreamy tartan]

See tropius fails in that its body would have the same thing as tortera of moving slow

[young plover]

but tropius flies

that's different

[fleet obsidian]

I do love some large body sprites though

[dreamy tartan]

Yep but tropius body its almost 70% that big part

[fleet obsidian]

Tbh might make a custom base just in case they do vote Tropius 💀

[dreamy tartan]

And thats more like exeggutors torso

Which is not a very pleasant shape to work around with

[fleet obsidian]

His body is whack as shit

[dreamy tartan]

Because its a chonky palm

[young plover]

you don't have to make the shape exact

[fleet obsidian]

But I think if you place the wings right you can ball

[dreamy tartan]

It is its body

Is like trying to not make meganium without its big torso

Its not meganium anymore

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-anime-love-love-you-i-love-you-gif-25494006

See in that one they share the shape

[young plover]

actually their body is a lot like meganium except meganium's back is wider

[fleet obsidian]

I’m just saying

[dreamy tartan]

I like tropius neck and wings but the body is where I find issue

[fleet obsidian]

Tropius got that W rizz

[young plover]

that's what i'm saying, you make the back wider and that's good room for a flying island

[dreamy tartan]

Could be maybe perhaps possibly

But the pallette is also a turn off in some ways

[fleet obsidian]

Yeah you right on that very common palette

[dreamy tartan]

Those old one bit nails on the feet havent age well

Like if its legs were less chonky it would be a bit better

[fleet obsidian]

Hollup ima try finding a pose for Tropius

[dreamy tartan]

Like you either go full chonk or slight slim

[young plover]

the sprites are a touch more flexible then you give them credit for tbh

[dreamy tartan]

Ya sure about that?

[young plover]

that's what i believe

[fleet obsidian]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/pokemonempyrean/images/c/c4/357.png/revision/latest?cb=20200825130040

Something like this

You could make that work

I’m gonna be wise

And not try making a body

But he got some potential

[tough apex]

Yawwwwwwn, we can get tropius after we get the monkies 🤭✨

[young plover]

We got the monkeys
Primape, Ambipom, and Infernape. Arguably Slaking.

[misty acorn]

@raw hill Congrats on the win, misty would be proud!

[raw hill]

Thanks!! :D

[dawn prairie]

You absolute buffoon

How could you forget passimian

Love that guy

[surreal folio]

And orangoro

[dawn prairie]

I think theyre bunched together in the polls so it would be both

I like passimian more but oranguru has great fusion potential too

[civic mauve]

I think Avalugg is better for this than Tropius personally if we want another Torterra. Plus it gives us the pure ice head texture folks want from Regice

[young plover]

Avalugg is cool but 1. they don't fly, so they're not a replacement 2. no bananas

passimian and oranguru aren't in the game

I was talkinga bout the ones we got

[civic mauve]

They can if you believe*

*fuse them w/ a flying/levitating pokemon

[young plover]

OK but that works for Torterra too lol

Main reason Avalugg would "fly" and Torterra wouldn't would be like, a situation where they actually float on water. and that has no wings =(

[civic mauve]

I feel like there isn't really anything about Tropius that makes it inherently good at carrying things on its back tho. Like you can do it but you might as well just use Charizard or something at that point

[young plover]

charizard ain't got no back

a 10 year old boy fits and that's about it

[fleet obsidian]

Banana

Banana is handle

[heady moat]

I hate to tell you this, but Tropius is only 6'7"

[civic mauve]

But neither does Tropius

[heady moat]

That being said, banana

[fleet obsidian]

Standards these days smh smh

[young plover]

tropius has some back

[fleet obsidian]

People say women are bad wanting 6 feet

[young plover]

charizard is, what, 4'11?
...
5'7, same thing

[fleet obsidian]

But pokemon fusers want over 6’7

[civic mauve]

There is one reason to vote for Tropius and that reason is Banana

[young plover]

banana is primary

[fleet obsidian]

Tbh a short king could comfortably ride a Tropius

[heady moat]

Tropius and Charizard:

[fleet obsidian]

ME FR

Pro tip

Anyone 6’1, 6’2, or 6’3 should claim to be 5’11 to fuck with people and their perceptions of what 6 feet is

[heady moat]

That's evil and I love it

[fleet obsidian]

RIGHT

I’ve just begun doing it

First success was a day or two ago and my man was…

[late relic]

TOP HUNDRED YET AGAIN LETTUCE GOOO

[fleet obsidian]

Befuddled

[fleet obsidian]

BASED IN EVERY WAY

TROPIUS FAN AND TOP 100

[late relic]

big fan of bananas and trees what can i say bro

[young plover]

except they actually have a one foot difference for real lol

[young plover]

similar to Torterra, just a bit less

[late relic]

[leaden jungle]

.Bad to the bone.

[lusty crystal]

I mean I placed higher than last time
By a couple places
(170 -> 166)

[gusty kestrel]

two 0 , gg everybody !

[wary canopy]

fourth place! dang

[lusty crystal]

Next contest I should probably spend more than 1 hour on my sprite

[wind matrix]

two 4s tho

[gusty kestrel]

yes

[silver merlin]

im happy with this LOL

[sick herald]

im rlly happy with this, my highest placing yet

[surreal folio]

so you're telling me that this thing outscored many other good looking sprites?

not trying to hate or anyhting

[wary canopy]

To get a fusion looking that clear and solid on a sprite that small is more rhen worth its points imo

[midnight spear]

its good

[sly gorge]

At least it's better than bottom of the trash pile

I find it oddly hilarious that the same person gave all 3 Duskull/Glalie fusions a 0

[mortal storm]

Uuuh Contest results. ^_^
Have to say there are many great fusions again (like always), but with this contest I kinda (from my own taste) get the feeling of some sprites got a little bit over- and undervalued hm.
But that’s why I say that every participant is a winner of some kind, if the fusion make it to the game after all, it’s a win for everyone. :)

[indigo ice]

Tee 6 was Not feeling funky this contest

[surreal folio]

my girl was mediocre

[sick herald]

how do u see that?

[sly gorge]

Right here good sir

[sick herald]

oh cool thanks

lets go

[nimble granite]

I bet that Katten was a Tee 2

[limber holly]

11th place with my Porygon-Z Froslass, nice

First place is a gorgeous sprite, so glad it won

[lusty crystal]

Also Tee 2 with 16 comments

[elder venture]

Some of these votes are kinda bonkers. Amazing glalie fusions receiving like, 1s or 0s 😭

Still, well done everyone! This contest got amazing entries.

[sly gorge]

I've got a feeling who Tee 6 might be 👀

[dusk schooner]

Many of our judges are hard to please. Suppose that comes with the territory for this sort of thing

[lusty crystal]

Tee 1 I am your biggest fan

[elder venture]

And they have quite the bias for frosslass haha.

[dusk schooner]

True. My favourite fusion in this comp was a glalie one personally

Glalie/Haunter, that dude rocks. Idk who made it

[pulsar kite]

oh nice mine got in 16th

[tepid gyro]

meanwhile i dropped a couple places
(17 -> 147) haha

[tepid gyro]

15th cause the top row doesnt count!

[pulsar kite]

ohh

pog

[lusty crystal]

I mean it's only a difference of 4 not much

[tepid gyro]

so true

in fairness 17 for my first contest was completely bonkers and i was never quite sold on my entry this time

[silver merlin]

you arent though

you could show up with a rock to xillo and hed give it a 6

[dusk schooner]

Yeah

[silver merlin]

LMAO

yup

[tepid gyro]

froslass was a lot tougher to fuse with than tyrantrum

[languid ibex]

damn 😔

[sick herald]

one of these things, is not like the others

[random crypt]

in the 70s isn't bad for a second contest

I'm v happy

[whole apex]

for my second contest 57th isn’t bad at all!!!

[languid ibex]

i think my sprites are overdetailed and they don't fit the pokemon style 🤔 i need to hold my horses with the antialiasing i guess

[stray condor]

Can we get the same vote results thing for the tyrantrum one

[subtle moss]

points seem to be way lower across the board

wait where can we view the individual points

[dense jackal]

There were 3 fewer judges if that helps explain it

[subtle moss]

yeah that seems about right

well anyway my placement was higher than last time, I'm content.

[dense jackal]

If Tee #4 happens to see this and can tell me if there was a technical aspect that lost me points I'd be happy to hear it
(Or from anyone else that thinks they know what a strict judge might dock it points for)

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/737765817474744350/1147372956343881728/image.png

[silver merlin]

fun fact: we actually just used a random number generator to judge all the sprites

[dense jackal]

Damn I rolled good 😎

Clearly was using my character-sheet-creation dice luck (rather than my gameplay dice luck :c )

[crisp cargo]

i haven't even seen my results yet

idk if i want to i imagine my score is low as hell

[pulsar kite]

aw this is adorable! really nice sprite

[viscid helm]

lowest placement on a mini contest so far, oh well. should have stuck with my original submission but i changed it at the last minute lol

[main hare]

haha damn, I really placed low on this one tbf a lot of entries are simply amazing

[crisp cargo]

lmao i wonder who this is

[wary canopy]

managed to get a 5 from tee 6 ill count that as a personal win

[misty acorn]

What was your original submission?

[viscid helm]

... i thought the tails and face looked looked bad

[crisp cargo]

bah, low rated or not I'm proud of this lil' bugger

[misty acorn]

I do actually like this one more, yeah

And I think it stands out more

[crisp cargo]

i have the sheet open i could look at my scores right now why is this so nerve-wracking

[subtle moss]

I got no 0s or 1s, but no 5s either. perfectly middle of the road.

[gleaming sand]

Oh my god

I came 116th

Jesus christ dude

[gleaming sand]

GOD FUCKING DAMMIT

[crisp cargo]

i meant more the judge

[gleaming sand]

Ah

Idk who it is

[crisp cargo]

but i'm not positive on it anyway it was more as a quip

[crystal hill]

no 5s on that one? but it goes hard!

[dense jackal]

Really surprising to me that more than 1 person decided froslass/machoke was the way to go

[crisp cargo]

"naturally feminine pokemon" + "naturally masculine pokemon" is not an unpopular combo

[gleaming sand]

No way i got a 5

[elder venture]

You dithered out the wazoo, but I was surprised you got quite low ranking, I thought that was an excellently made sprite!

[gleaming sand]

I had no time to fix it

It was so late

[dense jackal]

(Thank you for informing me that when I properly go through stats later I need to vet the comments for secret points -.-)

[gleaming sand]

But like, I'm also surprised

I saw a bunch of good sprites really low

And i wasn't expecting mine THIS low

Wait a second, i just counted my votes

[elder venture]

Exactly, I believe when Nyatten said the votes were randomly generated XD

[gleaming sand]

1+2+2+4+3+0+3+2+0+2+2+5=26

Not 21

[elder venture]

I don't think the 5 was accounted for because it had text.

It was counted on pure numbers.

[gleaming sand]

That's stupid though

[elder venture]

It was a technical error.

[burnt acorn]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1116021680427511879/1117653978168184972/retrorun.gif

[gleaming sand]

Yeah but i got 5 less points

[subtle moss]

Thanks, but I think my lack of a dynamic pose might've been the issue?

[gleaming sand]

Literally the only 5 i got doesn't count

[subtle moss]

if you need any example of the team being overworked

there you go

[elder venture]

Nah, no SFX 😔

[crisp cargo]

yeah I don't think I wanna see my votes

[subtle moss]

Of the winners, only third place had sfx

[gleaming sand]

How am i the only one complaining that i got less votes than i should have

[elder venture]

Actually that's a fair point, it's usually community vote that wins with it.

[subtle moss]

Oh yeah it's a big disservice to you

you should definitely knock on someone's door about that

[elder venture]

Because you got snubbed of the 5. I think they'll change it next time at least.

[gleaming sand]

Wdym next time

Can't they fix it this time

[elder venture]

They can, they should. I just mean if you inform them, at the least it won't happen again.
In any instance, it just changes the ranking a bit (this time)

[wary canopy]

theres at least one other sprite w a 5 and a comment, though i think that one was done as a joke on purpose

[lusty crystal]

I feel this one is also a joke since you wouldn't just go "why" and also say it's 5

[gleaming sand]

You're right

God dammit

[dense jackal]

Nah, people can say "it's disgusting, and I hate it. 10/10" and genuinely mean that rating. We can't know if it's a genuine 5 without contest manager feedback

[crisp cargo]

you can hate the concept but also understand it's sound both design-wise and technically

[dawn arch]

woah what a surprise, i was right about snorunt not making it to the top3, who would've known

[wary canopy]

there’s definitely still some very high ranking snorunts though, and tyrunt won last contest using the pre evos definitely isn’t a death sentence for your ranking

[versed ridge]

I hope one specific mon makes it in tomorrow so that I can finally join a contest

🥹

[gleaming sand]

I wonder which

[crystal hill]

snorunt made the top 3 in my heart

[versed ridge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1103658774377541634/1116151686633894019/92B7BF82-09F8-4038-AD04-8B6F43ED8CB7.gif

[sly gorge]

I just hope Tsareena makes it in so I can draw mo- I mean an awesome fusion :-)

[crystal hill]

this one specifically, love the little guy

[gleaming sand]

@plucky arch do you mind clarifying something?
One of the judges wrote "why? 5"
Was it an actual vote that wasn't counted or just a joke

[lusty crystal]

It made top 3 in terms of most used pokemon in the contest

[crystal hill]

really? I thought gardevoir was 3rd

anyways, I love snorunt

really good mon

excited to see more fusions of the little guy

like these fusions are pretty basic and they're still super fucking cute

[dawn arch]

still didn't get to top3 which was what i said

[crystal hill]

snorunt is great

[dawn arch]

yeah but it doesn't give itself to an epic fusion

[crystal hill]

just fuse it with a pokemon that does

snorunt/rayquaza

no idea what that'd look like I'm not one to create the big epic fusions

[thick harness]

I mean there were a lot of great Snorunt fusions too; just because they didn't rank as high doesn't mean they're any less cool

[crystal hill]

but someone could make it cool

ooh I really like this one actually

[wary canopy]

theres only 2 gardevoirs in the contest, even duskull beat it out

[crystal hill]

hey and this one is a snorunt fusion and pretty freaking epic

[sly gorge]

Is there anything I could've done better with my entry?

[crystal hill]

god all of these sprites are so good

[versed ridge]

It looks very goofy

I think the roundness could be smoother

[crisp cargo]

design-wise it's solid
the eye is kinda weird-looking, looks anti-aliased, also not really a fan of the way the bone parts and cloth parts intersect

[versed ridge]

I think it's a sans reference

[sly gorge]

actually that's sans' eye

and yes it is anti-aliased cause I don't know how else to do the glow

[crisp cargo]

i... wasn't even talking about any reference?

i'd have probably just not done that glow tbh

[regal burrow]

I am really happy I manged to get 76 place on my first contest! No judge hated It! : D

[crystal hill]

oh that's also a cool sprite

[sly gorge]

I know but I needed to explain the eye since it doesn't exactly look like duskull's

but thanks for the feedback either way

[regal burrow]

Thank you!

[crystal hill]

can you guys stop being good on the next one I wanna join that and if everyone else just does their worst I can win

[devout hare]

I somehow got a big jump from my tyrantrum placement

[sly gorge]

goofy in a good or bad way?

[versed ridge]

Unrelated

[modern kernel]

what the hell

[versed ridge]

You'll need to ask the managers on that one cuz I got nothing chief

[sly gorge]

they did you so fucking dirty

[slender thunder]

28 points, better than worse

[slender thunder]

that sprite is cool

tyrantrum?

[modern kernel]

yeah

there was one comment that said triple fusion

[regal burrow]

Judge number 2 robbed you

[crisp cargo]

i think the main issue is the ice necklace

probably makes it read a bit like meganium even if it's unintentional

really good sprite though i don't get why the points are so low in spite of that

[thick harness]

I think it might also be the head shape; feels a lot slimmer than tyrantrum's head or glalies

but yeah I do really like the sprite still, you did a great job with the ice texturing

[modern kernel]

i‘m so sad

they better announce the next contest now

i‘m gonna sweat it so hard

[viscid helm]

yeah it's probably head doesn't look enough like glalie (probably needed the eyes or teeth for readability) + technical stuff + it has velociraptor claws for some reason

[lusty crystal]

The only thing that really reads Tyrantrum is that it's a dinosaur

[crystal hill]

also kinda leads to it having a weaker silhouette than it'd otherwise have I feel
the fact the negative space between the head and the body is covered up hurts the cool shape a long neck would otherwise give and there's a mildly tangenting line with the hand on our right and the ice

[modern kernel]

its roboraptor

[thick harness]

oh so it's a reference then

[modern kernel]

yeah kind of

[crystal hill]

it's a low score for sure for what it is, it's really well rendered

but it's not without issues

[gleaming sand]

Not to hate on the artist, but how did glalie/caterpie get twice as high as mine

[modern kernel]

little gu

y

[crisp cargo]

it's just kinda technically impressive

glalie's big head features on such a small sprite without really losing anything of what makes it glalie

[wary canopy]

its actually rendered in the pokémon style + the fusion is very clear

[lusty crystal]

Because it looks good without being overdetailed with lots of "D I T H E R I N G"

[crystal hill]

yeah I think if this was just a contest of better sprite yours would be much higher, but it also doesn't totally match the pokemon style due to the really high level of detail you got in there
it's a great af sprite but I would not guess it was from a pokemon game if I saw it out of context

plus I think the arbok elements don't 100% come through, I see them knowing it's supposed to be arbok but if I didn't know it I don't think I'd be able to guess it

[versed ridge]

Its funny

[languid ibex]

yeah, i think my sprite was overdetailed too

[pulsar kite]

would you like some feedback on yours?

[crystal hill]

I think he got it whether he wanted it or not

[crystal hill]

yeah looks it a bit, really cool tho! I do like it a lot
also love your snorunt

really fun design

[languid ibex]

Thanks 💜

[pulsar kite]

well that's why im asking, if they don't want any more they can decline ^^'

[gleaming sand]

I always thought more details > higher vote

[languid ibex]

I think that's why my sableye/feraligatr got 6th place

[crystal hill]

I think that's more the case when it's not a staff vote

[gleaming sand]

Like, i find detailed sprites more impressive

[crystal hill]

yeah but they fit in the game less

[pulsar kite]

in community votes more details often does mean more points, but the staff (and me too) values replicating the pokemon art style

[gleaming sand]

I don't care though, they look COOL

[crystal hill]

which should be one of the most important things to judge a sprite on in my opinion

[crystal hill]

other people do care clearly

[crisp cargo]

i think i'm prob not gonna enter contests anymore

[gleaming sand]

I still think 116th out of 178 is WAY too low

[pulsar kite]

i like that the staff gives more value to authentic looking sprites

[crisp cargo]

too much stress to make designs "look good" and still get low score anyway

[gleaming sand]

Yeah I'm not doing shit again lmao

Unless meloetta or necrozma get in

[languid ibex]

cmon guys dont give up

[pulsar kite]

you can always make a more detailed/differently shaded version for your own fun after submitting to the contest

[crisp cargo]

i mean i'm p sure i'm on the bottom end

and that's like. one of the sprites i'm most proud of

[gleaming sand]

Bro, i started spriting 8 hours before the end

[pulsar kite]

i personally like more saturated shadows and hue shifting in my non if sprites but i stick to the style for the game

[crisp cargo]

doesn't seem like there's any point for me to enter since i'm clearly not getting anywhere close to the top lol

[pulsar kite]

i made mine the same day too haha

[crisp cargo]

also i'm unreasonably angry about this comment and it's not because of what it says

[crystal hill]

I don't think the point of a contest has to be winning

[crisp cargo]

it's because they spelled magnemite and magneton wrong

[pulsar kite]

that is kinda funny :'D

[crisp cargo]

(also the sprite is clearly magnezone)

[pulsar kite]

the contests are to motivate people to try new things with their sprites and help complete a pokemon's sprite list :0

[crystal hill]

I mean I'm never gonna win one of these I suck at pixel art but I still wanna see where I end up as well as have a direct comparison in how I interpret the same mon as a lot of other people

[gleaming sand]

But neither getting 100th despite a ton of effort on a sprite made from scratch with well done shading and that clearly shows the fused mons

[crisp cargo]

idk considering there are prizes

i think i'd wanna gun to actually win

i don't like comparing myself to people

it always always makes me sad

[crystal hill]

oh it makes me happy, if I see how other people do stuff I just did I can learn from that

I'm fine with being worse than others as long as I can use those others to improve

[pulsar kite]

that's unfortunate but it's good that you recognize it, if that's the case it probably is smart to not enter contests to avoid comparing your skill with others

[crystal hill]

although it helps that I don't sprite a lot and my pixel art in general is not something I focuss on so I don't expect to do well in the first place

yeah

[crisp cargo]

i mean it's always an issue when i like

[crystal hill]

if you don't enjoy it don't do it that's fair

[crisp cargo]

see a sprite with actual glaring issues get higher scores

idk

might be a bit of salt

[crystal hill]

look it's gonna be harder to judge your own sprites that you don't think it has actual issues doesn't mean it doesn't
that's why a contest is nice because you can get opinions from less biased people on where you fall

[pulsar kite]

well, the staff are people too and might (even subconsciously) play favorites depending on pokemon etc

[crystal hill]

yeah that's true

but with there being a lot of judges that should get kinda evened out

[crisp cargo]

wait.

my sprite isn't here

the votes thing is in order right

like, dex order

oh nvm i guess they have the glalie heads after glalie/froslass bodies

disregard

[errant yarrow]

😦

[sour rune]

congrats on everyone, but the fact this sprite only got four points makes me upset

[errant yarrow]

I'm out here catching strays haha. Not sure how your scored but mine placed high for being constantly voted 3. Thanks @wary canopy for defending my weedles honor 🙂

[arctic garnet]

I got in the top 40! Let's go!!

[gleaming sand]

116th

[wary canopy]

i think your weedle looked very nice, im sorry people have been makin comments about it :'D

[errant yarrow]

No worries, I figured it would happen when I saw how high it got. I'm just happy that it was liked by the judges. Im very happy with how the details came out on it

[crisp cargo]

honestly i'm starting to wonder if contests (in general) are worth it

sprite/contest managers are stressed, judges are stressed, entrants are stressed

[random crypt]

I think it'd be beneficial for them to set when the results are going to be released (like 3 days after end or whatever) and then people will stop bugging + there'll be less pressure to pewpew get it out asap

[errant yarrow]

People just need to calm down, the contest is just to get a bunch of sprites made for the game for each Pokemon. People get too crazy about the results being delayed

[crisp cargo]

that'd just create expectations

[random crypt]

agreed, I mean I don't think people coming in here every 10 seconds asking where the results are will help

[crisp cargo]

the only delay we've had was with the tyrunt contest and it was specifically because of a tie they couldn't break

[errant yarrow]

Yeah but it was still obnoxious that people where asking about it every 2 minutes. And that being the 3rd mini contest I am sure there will be another delay in the future

[gleaming sand]

I am never entering a contest again

Unless it's meloetta or necrozma