#fusions
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it seems like they just made it more confusing
In terms of stats and stuff it seems the same
Can someone show me the stats of a Bisharp and Banette fusion?
Alright, I know what I’m going to make this Banette/Bisharp look like
Nice. Ghost/Steel seems like a pretty good typing
There are a few base Pokémon with that typing, like the Honedge line
Mhm. Are there any others? I can't think of any other than those 3
I thought there were, but maybe not
Doesn't seem like it
I should probably take stats in for fusions as well as type
wouldnt it be.. Kingler .. ?
That made me laugh way longer than it should.
No idea what the heck this guy is using, but it’s not the real calculator
it is
its the ... 5th column
@steep pagoda The nickname mechanic isnt accurate
its not like it is in the game
i know, this is theorymonning anyway.
my theorymonning dungeon
and it is the real calculator, just with some modifications
for example:
^illegal
legal
v
That looks more messy and confusing than the normal one
It makes more sense if you aren't used to either layout, though
Why would you move the section where you select a Pokémon? Now it’s more difficult to tell what their normal types are
You clearly didn’t read what I said
normal types:
Yours is just inferior to the normal one
superior, actually. Because mine includes the full pokedex with updated stats and accurate type arrangements
and regional variants
The layout is changed for the worse
don't knock it `til you try it
If I didn’t know Arcanine was pure fire and Volcarona was bug/fire, I wouldn’t be able to tell what type those Pokémon are from your calculator because they’re in a completely different location from the Pokémon’s names
In the actual calculator, you tell tell very clearly what type a Pokémon is
fixed:
also if you don't know that something that has "canine" in the name isn't part bug, something's wrong
also remember: Type 1, Type 2
It's not Head Type, Body Type on the rows, but on the columns
There is no reason to use yours over the normal one
What the heck does that mean?
You don’t even know?
Theorymonning is where you try out how something would work given certain rules, in Pokémon.
You can theorymon how Fusions should be calculated, be it by thirds or by averages, or how triple fusions could work, or how gender could play in, or even factor egg groups with bonuses, etc.
In this case, the current theorymon is:
Standard IF calculation rules + National Pokédex + Fixed types + Custom 3-part name generation + tiers + type overrides + updated stats
It's like metagaming
but in theory
That sounds like stuff irrelevant to this game, which already has rules that cannot be changed for fusion
cannot, or will not?
careful what you say.
It just sounds like your calculator is not accurate to the game
It's not. Thus, theorymonning.
but it uses the same calculation method
thus, relevant
So it is completely inferior then
Why use an inaccurate calculator to see what a fusion’s stats are like?
Because the stats will remain the same as with normal IF calculation, with the exception of Alakazam and Aegislash (which had changes in gen 6 and gen 8, respectively)
2 things being wrong is still more than no things being wrong, so your calculator should not be used
agreed. now let's drop it.
No need to thank me for adding the new Pokémon to "In column 3", either. It was just common courtesy since everybody was asking for it.
I changed nothing else there.
Did you use the correct stats?
absolutely
none of them changed over the generations
Oh, and one last thing about how mine is actually a superior calculator, albeit less applicable:
You can move around any of the cells, and it won't crash the calculator. Do that to the standard calculator, and it can produce numerous errors.
like so
Roserade had their stats changed
hm. ok.
versus like so:
(notice Arcanine got moved to the far right of the stat zone)
So did Krookodile
Gen 5 stats
Also, did we add all Rotom forms?
No
No, only base Rotom
Only base Deoxys
I fused two hoppips to see if same-chain Pokemon could fuse. The result was a "Hopip" missing one of its 'P's in the name. Is that intended?
Also, is there any particular reason to fuse two same-chain pokes other than being able to sort of pick between certain stats, like the abilities?
No real reason to do self-fusions, the only thing that changes is certain Pokemon like Charizard and Steelix become monotype
Fair enough. Any idea on the "Hopip" thing or was that just a typo that happened to exist with that fusion?
Or I guess that is a result of the prefix/suffix from each Pokemon? Hop and Ip (instead of Pip)?
Yeah
How are the stats of pokemon with different forms handled while fused? i.e. if Aegislash changes form while fused with another pokemon, what happens to its stats exactly?
For Aegislash specifically, 
Arceus I think just changes the normal type to the plate type
oh interesting, edge case 😮
not mid combat, no, but there are the rotoms and deoxys forms as well
Nope, only base forms for them
ah
There are plans to add other forms in the future I believe
I'm still not sure I understand the stat calculation from the pin. Are the stats of fused pokemon combined to a total that is then modified by an equivalent (additive) amount the form-change would apply, or are the stats calculated independently still while fused? i.e. would changing to attack form grant the same +100 ATK and SP.ATK while reducing DEF and SP. DEF the same amount? Or would it use the %weighting from the fuse stat split? (66 or 33 to those stats, respectively).
What are you asking?
Aegislash has two different base statlines depending on the form it is in. But while fused, these won't be its base stats - what happens when it changes form?
Stance change just switches both attack and defense stats
So it will still do that
Though it’s buggy, as explained in the pinned comment
Switches the combined total of the fused pokemon, or the base stats of aegislash in the fusion?
The pin does not answer this
The actual stats you see in the game
Ok, so the combined total
That's confusing, because that is not how the ability functions in the games. Understandably, given the complexity here, but I was trying to get to the bottom of how it is calculated in this system.
That is how it works in the games
It doesn't reverse the stats, it changes the base statline. Without fusions, you ultimately arrive at the same result. With fusions, the result is entirely different.
I guess I forgot how it worked in the games
Also I have no idea what you just tried to say
The stats of the pokemon are derived from base values (shown in the table above), in tandem with EVs and IVs. If you change the base stats of the pokemon, the stat value shown in game is going to change. Normally, this only affects one set of stats - the pokemon with the ability (in this case Aegislash). With fusions, you now have two base statlines somehow in play with each other. Per the FAQ, the base stats of the fusion become a weighted average between the two pokemon being fused.
My question is, since those stats are a weighted average, does the total shown in-game account for Aegislash's ability affecting only its base statline (and not its partner in the fusion), then recalculating the fusion average weighting, OR is it actually adding/subtracting 100 from the cumulative fusion base statline.
Your answer was that it does neither; it simply reverses the raw ATK and DEF, much like Power Swap would do, if I'm understanding correctly.
The stats change, I’m guessing it just recalculates to account for the new Aegislash base stats in shield form
So it's not the Power Swap scenario after all, nor the cumulative stat adjustment? To be clear then, it does recalculate the base form stats (without the fusion), then re-filters those stats through the average-weighting system to arrive at the fusion's new stat total, mid battle?
with the pinned caveats of affecting only ATK/DEF and the forms getting out of sync
I assume it just recalculates the fusion’s stats
Can you put that into an equation? Because as described above, there are multiple ways that could be done
I'm trying to understand specifically how - that is clear in the base game without needing to see any code. Fusions introduce complexity and options in the required custom handling.
I said I’m assuming, I’ve never used an Aegislash fusion before
Snorfeon seems really strong, especially with thick fat to cover 2 of grass's weaknesses...
Downside: name contains "snorf"
Snorfeon
*snorf*
Hrm. Unfortunately, you can't get Rock Head as an ability on the Electric/flying fusion version of Electivire and Aerodactyl. Unless I'm missing something.
At least it'll get motor drive on evolution.
Guys, the latest spritepack, how up to date is it regarding the AWESOME sprites a few people has put up the last weeks on the reddit?
whoever did this....i am in love.
Snorlax+Arcanine
Mateo did it
Ah yes, the good chonk. I remember when he was made.
Smile.jpeg
I used to think the leg fluff on the back left leg was a massive gut. XD
At least I'm not alone anymore. ;_;
you think so
It is a gut, that’s what the creator said
Hm? I remember it being deconfirmed.
It isn’t even in the right position to be hair on the legs
How strange...
Anyway, I will give him tummyrubs either way.
You just have more area to work with than you originally though
And remember: You can't spell fast without fat!
You can actually, because the word fat is not in the word fast
Your logic would also say the word fat is in the word frantic
did you know, you actually can't spell the word "Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis"
without the letter "P," because in that case, it would be spelt "neumonoultramicroscoicsilicovolcanoconiosis"
the more you know!
Current team is:
Snorlax/Doublade (Ghost/Normal), Crobat/Primeape (Poison/Fighting), Nidoking/Blastoise (Water/Ground), Togekiss/Forettress (Steel/Fairy), and Espeon/Ninetails (Fire/Psychic)
Erm
There we go
Hmm personally id say get maybe a grass or electric type?
Flygons dragon typing could be useful as well
Electivire fused with it results in a similar stat distribution to flygon
So if youd rather go with a faster special attacker with dragon breath/dragon pulse or something, zapdos would be the way to go
Yeah that is super useful
That said, now I"m morbidly curious what the sprite is for that fusion
Lmao yeah, zapdos is weird to work with
I must protect the derpbird
shouldn't snubbull as a body grant access to Intimidate instead of Run Away? these two seem to be reversed 
Snubbull's face us the scarry part, and legs are the runny part 
Thematically on point. Doesn't match the mechanics I was aware of and had to change up some plans though 😦
just joined the discord - has anyone noticed that when you fuse doduo (body) and remoraid (face) it turns into a cubone with a gun?
Seems like the file may be misnamed
Yep, checked on it. 223.84.png in the custombattles should be renamed to 223.104.png. I'll put it in bug reports.
This is why ya'll should pick up sprites when they're posted instead of waiting for the sprite packs. Then you'll remember to fix any name mistakes.
Pretty new to this discord, so I might have missed it..
Are there any rules for the stats of ||triple|| fusions and the combined names of fused mons?
names are the ones from japeal, triple fusion stats are just an average
it does not use the same names.. a lot of them are different
i'd assume the names would be the first part of the first 2 pokemon and the last name of the 3rd since it was like that in the manga and in this game i think
there is a list with the special names. I am talking about the names of normal fused mons
If a part of a fusion has an egg move (e.g. curse on a snorlax) can it still relearn it after unfusing?
I mentioned it in #game-suggestions once I think, but as far as I know, unfusing will cause each half to know the normal moves for the level it's at
And it is a Beauty type trainer that has it, iirc.
Is Chanckle with an eviolite just immortal?
Seems like it would be infuriating to fight against if it knew rest.
Surprised no one made a fusion inspired by the mismagius rayquaza fusion from the anime
Because is not a fusion is just a recolor rayquaza
Also that’s a bad photoshop job
This is an actual screenshot
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/702626820876533851/717438727148011651/Mismagius_Rayquaza.png
...can someone tell me where this appeared and in what concept?
This is from a the anime when Mismagius trapped them in a dream
Ah.
Karen´s type is Grass and Rock
Not in the game, afaik.
Grass cause of her weeve and rock cause of her heart
also , cause of essential oils and magic crystals/rocks
hi george man
hello
hey, why is empoleon as the head part steel if i fuse it with meganium? shouldn't it be water cause its original typing is water/steel?
It's possible this was changed in this game, if yes then most lilely for balance or variety.
Hmm ok, was surprised as nothing was mentioned in the wiki. But maybe it was in the later patches :/ so guess I gotta switch. Thx 👍
Why did i do this
thank you for taking a picture of your screen
Idk how to do screenshots on computer sorry about that lol
literally the button on the keyboard called 'printscreen'
Then paste it here
Got it!
or the default windows program 'snipping tool' to take partial cuts.
It basically copies your screen at that moment
Props to whoever did Mamsaur and Cuhorn
Cuhorn especially looks great. The mamsaur themeing is on point though, so it also stood out to me 😄
The mamsaur is an auto generated sprite
^
and it looks better than the actual custom mamoswine/venusaur
that's hilarious, cause it looks fantastic. Big warty pig plant dino
and it looks better than the actual custom mamoswine/venusaur
@fresh coyote you what??
oh man that's also great. Prehistoric tree 😮
I guess venusaur has a big enough face that the auto-face mashup doesn't look too messy, and recoloring is pretty simple
I really don't think that looks that good, Stan
bruh how
the flower thing in middle looks a bit out of place or off colored, but otherwise I love it
its better than the auto generated one
eh?
coloring seems a bit weird in some spots, shading a bit weird, personally don't like that part of the face is blocked by the tusks
I like the squished face in the auto one too. Makes it look more heavy-set
where else would the tusks need to be..
yeah the coloring is a tad odd but this is a lot better than the auto generated one
it being cleaner should already make it better
and what is this supposed to be?
dunno about that
a snowcone 
either way cuhorn looks like it took a ton of effort. Most impressive sprite I've found in game so far, but there are many more to see still 😄
Better question is what version is Druid playing on?
If they don't have have a old sprite like that
they might not have the sprite packs?
4.7.0.2 from the forum thread
is that not up to date?
I didn't go out of my way to get any custom spritepacks. Just unpackaged whatever download was in that thread
is there a particular one I should look into?
Get all the sprite packs
They don't conflict?
They consist mostly of sprites that don't have alt versions
the spritepack link in FAQ leads to 404 error - is it still valid?
forum thread has valid link still it seems
@tepid cargo 
So I've added a couple mons from a few different generations and I'm getting creative
Why did you do that....
Because calculating all possible fusions even if not implemented yet seemed like fun, also extremely easy to do on my copy of the calculator
as long as they do it to their own personal copy, which it looks like it is, its fine
I don't like to deface property that others use for my own benefit
No more Pokemon are going to be added
You never know, there might be another competition and I might have hope for winning a tournament if I find a program to not Fuckey wuckey up the sprite when I resize and clean backgrounds of it
How do you know? 
And what does that have to do with no more Pokemon being added to the game?
The Starter trio fusion winner, what was their prize again?
That was a one-time thing
Still means there might be hope for another one
There isn't
Pft, I'm the man who doesn't give up even after failing so miserably that it's almost physically impossible to fail that much. My hope in it shall remain.
OK, but that prize only existed because Frogman was adding the last new batch of Pokemon and he thought that would be a good prize for the starter triple fusion winner because of the importance of having a sprite for them
Well damn, guess I've got no luck there then, if it's really the last batch xD
Luck for what?
Oh damn, didn't realize Hydreigon was in the game, but none of the mon's line says where you get it, so I assume it's only through debug mode
Or randomizer
Yeah, none of the new ones except Pyukumuku are available through normal means right now
Ye, I was gonna say, never saw the list get updated and nothing really changed in game anyways, but now I have the spirit to try to make a Jibril-style Garchomp/Diancie fusion nonetheless
Thats why I like randomizer, last time I play this was in version 3 and I got to say though exp could be tweaked a bit, I really love this game
Diancie isn't in the game, but you could still make the sprite for yourself
Also Snorlax/Aegislash is awesome. Well mine is at least
Well yeah definitely not in the game, but I can put it in for a different fusion of Garchomp/Fairy-type with about 588 points, honestly it wouldn't be too tricky to go through them all since I'd have to just research all the fairy secondary pokemon
If you fuse a not-fully-evolved (NFE) pokemon with a fully evolved pokemon, then give the resulting fusion Eviolite, does the bonus from Eviolite apply? That seems REALLY good with dusclops, for example...
Anyone one got a jirachi body charizard head custom sprite?
No
Was that in regards to the eviolite question or the sprite question?
Sprite
About Eviolite, it does take into account both halves
I use Eviolite on my Porygon2/Mew
yeah porygon2 would be an excellent candidate as well. That makes eviolite pretty insane 😮 Thanks for the info
Night Shade / Curse / Will-o-Wisp / Softboiled Blissclops, here I come 
eviolite got nerfed to 25% boost though. still strong
Also, everstone has the same effect now, right?
eviolite got nerfed to 25% boost though. still strong
ah, that's pretty noteworthy
Also, everstone has the same effect now, right?
Any confirmation on that would be great. I'd much rather not manually cancel evolutions if possible
eviolite acts as an everstone, not sure about the other way around
works for me then 😄
Ah... I think that was what I remembered, sorry.
There's 2 different sprites for Darkrai/Gardevoir
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/543958354377179176/737844500021641276/287.347.png
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/543958354377179176/636235794922864644/347.287.png
I think that one looks better
It really does, the feel of it is more meshed together instead of a cute palette swap
Now my current other fusion for Dark types is Spiripom, which isn't half bad for a generated sprite
I don't know what that is
Spritomb/Aipom
Lowkey the darkrai sprites didn't look half bad, then it got a bit goofier with that flower head venusaur
I still like it
It's definitely well done, I'll admit that
Here's a hell flower
That houndoom jaw and those horns thoughhhhh
Absol/Zoroark, not a half bad fusion in theory, ignoring the shiny Absol blade though the hair looks lopsided for me, like it was just added on from the original sprite it came from, though I'm too used to seeing how perspective works
All I can imagine is that it's Zoroark's hair but sideways for it in a comical sense now
It does sorta flow towards the right
Better done than I probably pulled off with my... Single sprite ever half assed attempted at least
But I just imagine it looks like if somebody took their hair and hair sprayed it in the horizontal position, so the back of the hair is the normal side view now or something
But then agian the entire creature's body is tilted to the right, so maybe it's a weird angle to work with all things considered
I did copy paste the ponytail part
xD Hey, you did a great job, but I am extremely detail oriented to such a weirdly bad extent, I apologize if it sounded harsh when I poked at it
Though Houndoom/Machamp is definitely a decent keeper
my charizard and tyranitar fusion variant
Why
thank you soup
thank you Will
What happened to it's eyes?
Hey @nova ether if you are interested in spriting for this game make sure you work in a 96x96 canvas size then resizing the whole thing to 288x288 or by 300% that way it will fit with the rest of the sprites, you can use that charizard/tyranitar for your game but it will be rejected here
if i fuse a clefairy and jigglypuff and give a moon stone will they both evolve at once?
Yeah it should
dude look at this thing it looks like it's saying 'please kill me'
Nah, it does not have enough cognitive function for pain.
How do we get this to permanently stop appearing when changing the second Pokemon in the calculator?
Make a personal copy and use that instead.
has it only recently started to do that?
Yeah
It is probably a setting someone messed with when the new pokemon were added, then
good lord what happened here
Aurora borealis?
aurora borealis !? , at this time of year ? , at this time of day ? , in this part of the country ? , localized entirely within your kitchen ?
Yes 🙂
may i see it?
...no 😐
Grag
grog
@sleek elm ok thank you for the resize i thought something was off when i was playing but i will have to pass that sprite took me to long to make it look good. XD
What should my CHARMADER and pukeum have innards out or blaze
innards out would be pretty useful early on?
Blaze isn't great. Might go with Innards
Honestly, the Starter abilities are kind of underrated, but spicy stuff like this is always fun.
I mean Charmander isn't the bulkiest Pokemon tbf
They work better on starters like meganium who have the bulk to utilize it
Who should I fuse with bulbasor
wooper
Bidoof
I want too keep poison

What would be better woopher or bidoof?
wooper
Ok
oh
Gonna just fuse it with my kabuto
You can't keep poison
Anyone have a good Mawile fusion?
The pins in general has a fusion calculator
fusing bulbasaur
wanting to keep poison type
Sry but bulbasaur and its line is grass locked for fusions
Just fuse it with Weedle
Fuse it with ekans
Or koffing
Or another poison type
are there any raticate/noctowl custom sprites?
Check in #sprite-gallery
Loving this game so far. One answer I can't seem to find is what dictates the nature of the newly fused pokemon?
Must have missed it then.
Very first thing I did. I skimmed over it again and saw most of the info was the same as the in game tutorial. Which also didn't seem to specify. Searching the rest of the discord it looks like the body takes the nature if you reverse fuse, so I'm guessing body? Because I'm still not seeing said answer.
I didn't realize it wasn't said in there
@proud crane You think you could add in how natures work for fusions in #fusion-faq?
Any chance I can get the answer that yes body dictates nature? lol took a break and about to start playing again @fluid karma ?
I don't know
Last I played I was using splicers that let me pick the nature
Super splicers
Ahhh gotcha
It's rip anyway. Lol I had a modest bulbasaur to start, then fused to nidorino using bulba body not realizing the body/head split, de-fused, and refused and now it's lax, so I'm assuming it took the nature of the nido. No worries either way, but yeah a FAQ update would definitely be nice.
updated
Cool
omg get away from me
Natures are explained in the wiki on fusion, fwiw. https://infinitefusion.fandom.com/wiki/Pokémon_Fusion
what is the worst pokemon fusion? the best i could come up with is magikarp/unown but it evolves, second choice is unown/dunsparce
question, what in all that is good is this thing staring at me with it's unblinking eye. i am horrified and might have nightmares.
those are neat
Yeah some really nice designs I had to add this one to my game
Anyone know who made this?
@plain bobcat https://discordapp.com/channels/302153478556352513/543958354377179176/756676153669976096 Sjoba did.
They do most of the /Garevior sprites, tbh 
Too bad Gard makes a terrible body stat-wise...
waifus > stats
That is what Sjoba likes to make
@plain bobcat B)
@fluid karma usually i care for stats. But people want me to make waifus
@hidden bison #sprite-requests message waifu?
Sjoba just has a talent for waifu making
@edgy pollen i dont like you so i wont do your request. im sorry this is something personal
Could be said nicer but okay. Then don't do it
Thats a rip
i said it as nice as possible without lying
im not telling you to get lost or anything.
Okay
Snorchu is better than Railax, however, Railax is an adorable chonk and I would honestly die for it.
If Sjoba is angry at you or doesn't like you
You're in some hot water for sure
both blaziken/latias and blaziken/latios exist and look very much like this
Two Blaziken/Latias sprites I've seen, one by Knuckles and the other by Blaquaza
Latios would have blue fur wouldn't he?
That would make sense
Pft, the difference between latios and latias is their color scheme lol
not entirely
._. Quite literally that's the main key difference between the two
Feminine compared to it
But otherwise it's close to a nidoking/nidoqueen relation in terms of species
what I'm saying is that one looks more like latios than the other
The design for that was never finalized for anything, so we can't say if that was originally going to be latios' design or if they swapped it out or if your idea is right
It's purely speculation at that point
true
No idea what to mix glaceon with between these 4:
Rapidash, Ninetales, Armaldo, Houndoom
Rapidash, for Ice/snow instead of fire
Armaldo body is fun but slow
Go with Ninetales for a sudo Alolan Ninetales
So I guess houndoom is meh then xD
The rapidash idea does intrigue me now with ice/snow coming out
I mean the have skulls so it could work, if not then idk
i had that.... pretty sure it is fusing Kabotops with Marowak.....so....water ground if i remember
if its marowak then its marowak/kabutops which is ground water so what BADshadow said
Ultimate Happiness at a cost, will you take it?
lmao
but yea idk how this nuzlocke run is gonna go to be honest
i was worried since togetic starts with metronome as its only attacking move
but now i think Bide is probably my best option lol
with so much bulk
serene grace AP is gonna be pog on this thing if it makes it that far
Ooof
Thats a mega Rip
Metronome is good imo, however I would not use it everytime
My randomizer had my starters be klefki, butterfree, and skimory. I picked skimory due to the moveset and the high stats also it was steel flying
So my rival fused the resting and also got Steel Flying, but I was stronger due to my stats
I no longer use the skarmory since the randomizer made it so I couldn't use any steel type in any gym.
my other starter options were smeargle and monferno
i was tempted to pick smeargle for the meme but i didnt want to have to depend on sketching a good first move to carry me through the entire first areas
and as useful as having sketch is, smeargle's stats suuuuck
now ive got a dusclops + natu. game is just throwing all the thicc NFE SwSh meta mons at me LOL
i should probs shift to #playthrough-talk
Yep
Water/Ground only has grass as a admittedly, 4x weakness
Show the stat calculator
well heres the thing i just realized that my starter was water ground aswell lmao
but i might just completely remake my team
Rip
why does my pokemon lose ha when defused?
because like now i want the fusion so it can have water absorb but like i cant now because when i defuse it does keep ha
doesnt*
i guess not having an immunity to water isnt so bad when i have rough skin
cute
Silent, but deadly.
Ha
not sure what to put with reuni, this came to mind after a while tho
honestly cofagrigus looks like a solid option
hmstdve
psychic ghost hmmm
2 weaknesses but both are 4x
ghost / dark big ouchi
and most of those will be special attackers, so uh, euh
but it could probably do decent against anything that's physical
its a slow pokemon too
would slowbro give more bulk?
u do lose the 2 4x weaknesses
yeah, psychic/water has 5 weaknesses but at least they're all 2x
sounds like a fair trade to me
hmm only one that not too common I think best option so far
u also get access to leech seed
yee
wonder what a combo between them would look like
Reu but instead of jelly it's all plant-y and root-y would be cool
Steelix body > 155 defense , spam calm mind and recover
snorlax / steelix 👀
what if I fuse a pokempon with it's evolution then make it evolve ?
then
you get the evolution
like
say you fuse
pidgeot/charmander
when it gets to level 16 or higer it will become a Pidgeot/Charmeleon
yes but I can fuse 2 same pokemon, so ?
ok so it's useless
pr much
Well not really
There are some pokemon that when fused together you get a new form
@willow jackal like Bulbasaur/Bulbasaur
oh
But only some
now I want to try it
There are some pokemon that when fused together you get a new form
@brave hull wdym by "new form", is it just a sprite or whatever?
The sprite
Like blastoise fuse with blastoise gives you blastoise but with the mega look
better stats too ?
That i don't know maybe
No.
It's for style
Tbh it's stupid, just replace the blastoise sprite with mega blastoise if you want that sprite.
that sucks
No, the types wont change
No, the types wont change
@vivid bay oh, but what about exception 3 in the calculator?
Tbh it's stupid, just replace the blastoise sprite with mega blastoise if you want that sprite.
@vivid bay and if you want the sprite, just do this
Ghost dark is a better typing
but worse stats
That's ok
doesn't sableye have that type?
it does.
golurk head is cooler fusion potentiol tho
If it's the same 2 pokemon fused and I like one better I usually switch the sprites for myself
No guard Bisharp with stab Phantom Force and Knockoff
Bisharp gets Guillotine too
busted
perhaps 🤔
worse stats don't matter too much since the real meat of the physical attack stat sticks around
it doesn't have much staying power but with No Guard it'd be p good
Hm... neither all that cute though... let's change this!
So, I've been theory crafting the best baton passer since fusion let's you put that move that's usually very restricted on other lists. The first boost move that came to mind that I'd want to pass is quiver dance. But then in researching what to fuse to get those together I find venomoth can get both by itself already...
So is the answer just to give venomoth a ton of bulk as either snormoth or venix? That's kind of a disappointing answer.
Prankster is interesting...
Prankster substitute?
Ooo right sub passes too...
Yep
Chansmoth with evilolite? Would have garbage def though...
Heh, curselax (+sub) with something with speedboost.
Curse speed boost?
I don't think that would be very efficient
I'm sure he can learn bulkup
I'm sure he can learn bulkup
sad snorlax noises
rip
Sabile @ Leftovers
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature
- Stockpile
- Recover
- Foul Play
- Play Rough
As far as I can tell Sableye isn't in the game...
It isn't
But we do have Spiritomb
Hmm, so either
With good resistances
Or this
With even better res
Way less HP, but more def and sp.def to almost balance it, though it make substitute less desirable. Also umbreon gets baton pass naturally so I don't have to breed the moth.
I think the deciding factor here is going to be that umbreon is a way more aesthetically pleasing head than snorlax 
Why does your screen have inverted colors
chrome extension that forces dark mode everywhere.
I don’t think inverted colors are dark mode
those colors aren't directly inverted, though.
Yeh, it's a lot smarter than simple inversion. But still not perfect on strongly colored elements.
Actually, the level of contrast is controllable in the extension...
ok so togetic/sneasel or sneasel/togetic
sneasel body would be more atk and speed, I think.
whats something good to fuse with lapras?
ok thanks!
Guys Pikachu/Mewtwo fusion but it looks like this
idk who made this I just searched pikachu
pikachu/infernape
Even better
I wouldn't even mind tbh. This is my type of joke.
mediocre stats outside of attack but the typing is nice, trying to find something that goes well w/ haxorus
How does Aegislash look with him?
Also both defense and attack stats change with Aegislash’s ability
mhm
I just want someone to make Haxorus/Aegislash into a battle axe
yeah, could definitely make for a cool sprite
I wish i knew how to use excel properly I wana calc my team
Just click on the drop down box on the calculator and select your Pokémon
asked in suggestions, but Ill repost here just in case, Could whoever makes the fusion calculator also make it show the fusion's pokedex number? To help with icon filenames and stuff. Shouldnt be too hard to calculate. I think it's head number + (body number * 381), and the 381 increases every time a pokemon gets added
it looks like the lookup would need to be expanded to include one column to the left, with pokedex numbers, but that shouldnt be too hard to fix
Is there a comprehensive list somewhere of all the pokemon that have their abilities swapped when fused? I'm wasting a lot of time coming up with combinations that turn out to be invalid due to these seemingly undocumented changes. FAQ only has: "(4a) Some pokémon have their first and second abilities swapped for balance or other reasons. These include the evolutionary lines of Pidgey, Ekans, Marill, Chinchou, and others."
No way to check beforehand without direct access to the pokemon. Turns out to be quite a few others.
If you want to help write the list, it would be appreciated.
Already working on it. Been manually fusing everything in my PC 🙂
In addition to those listed in the FAQ, I've so far run into the following that are swapped:
- Absol
- Aerodactyl
- Electrode
- Granbull
- Lapras
- Murkrow
- Snorlax
Tested and confirmed regular ability order on these:
- Aipom
- Alakazam
- Blissey
- Cloyster
- Drifblim
- Gardevoir
- Gligar
- Grimer
- Haxorus
- Heracross
- Hitmontop
- Hoothoot
- Hoppip
- Houndour
- Kabuto
- Krookodile
- Litwick
- Lucario
- Machamp
- Magnezone
- Mantyke
- Meowth
- Nidoran (F)
- Nidorino
- Parasect
- Omanyte
- Poliwrath
- Psyduck
- Quagsire
- Ralts
- Remoraid
- Rhyperior
- Shuckle
- Slugma
- Smeargle
- Starmie
- Sudowoodo
- Swinub
- Tauros
- Teddiursa
- Tentacool
- Yanmega
Oh wow snorlax is swapped? There goes one of my plans.
Tell me about it 
It is a great head for stats and thick fat on top was going to be great...
yeeeep
was it garchomp by chance? That was and still is an excellent one but thick fat made it incredible
or would have that is
I was thinking snorfeon (leafeon) at one point. Thick fat covers grass so well.
ah yeah for sure. great phys bulk in the body for that
I don't have end game stuff yet like garchomp
Well, at least my absurd quiver dance passing umbmoth did get shield dust. That thing is nuts.
sounds nice 😮 baton pass quiver dance is so nice. I think it's just butterfree, venomoth, and volcarona that get it by level up. Not sure with TM
It's a tm in this?
it is
TIL. I was just going off what learned it in official games. I think umbmoth is literally the best when you factor in typing. (e.g. volcarona/gliscor has a very high BST, but terrible bug/flying typing)
It's in the postgame
I believe with random TMs on you may be able to get it sooner, but I'm not 100% sure how the random TM pool works just yet.
poison/dark is only (x2) weak to ground with 4 res and an immunity. Plus it gets to hold black sludge, freeing leftovers for something else. Also has confuse ray + stun powder if you want to that guy.
Correction to my list from earlier; pasted aipom in the wrong list initially. Its abilities are in regular order
and Krookodile as well. Those were part of the same fusion I mis-pasted
If anyone wants to contribute to science and has mons from the unconfirmed list, please report back with what ability and slot (head/body) they got when fused.
EDIT: I'll update this list until the bottom one is empty, to be clear.
Confirmed to have reversed ability order:
- Absol
- Aerodactyl
- Arbok
- Azumarill
- Electrode
- Golem
- Granbull
- Honchkrow
- Kingler
- Lanturn
- Lapras
- Machamp
- Marowak
- Snorlax
- Steelix
Unconfirmed ability order with 2 abilities:
- Aggron
- Arcanine
- Ariados
- Banette
- Breloom
- Clefable
- Dodrio
- Dugtrio
- Dunsparce
- Girafarig
- Kingdra
- Klinklankg
- Ledian
- Lopunny
- Luxray
- Miltank
- Pinsir
- Probopass
- Qwilfish
- Reuniclus
- Seaking
- Skarmory
- Stantler
- Tangrowth
- Whimsicott
I believe I have any other dual-ability pokemon not listed here confirmed as default.
Also, if there are dual-ability legendaries, I don't have those written down. Can't think of any offhand, but they'd also need testing.
YOU MAGITS
Ran down a list. No dual ability legendaries I see that are also in this game, so the list above should be complete.
Found another. Golem's reversed....
Marowak's also reversed.
ok so whos better raichu/sandslash or raichu/marowak
I have just a couple of those on the unconfirmed list, but I'll check 'em.
That'd be great, thanks! I'm currently running around a postgame save randomly looking for stuff on the list until it's too small for that to be feasible.
Mr. Mime, Jynx, and Mawile are correct order, but Onix appears to be reversed. @eternal pond
oof another one, thanks
That's all I had from the list 
More than we had before 😄
Kingler is reversed
I'd say it's probably safe to assume aggron is default ability order, but haven't found one to confirm. Rock Head seems to be intentionally only accessible via the head slot, probably for thematic reasons. However, I thought the same about Quick Feet being tied to the Body (due to the granbull reversal), but Ursaring retains that in the head slot. 
Edit: I'm a dumb and mixed it up in my head. Ursaring does have quick feet in the body.
I'm getting some mixed messages here...
It reads like it is malfunctioning.
Also, I have to imagine it making a fangirlish scream.
Evolved sprite is nice tho
Cool
:3
Azumaril (water/fairy) + golem (rock/ground) is suposed to be water/ground but I get a water/rock pokemon why ?
cuz rock is a primary typing
oh no
oh yes
I tried to keep sheer force from azumaril and passing it's water type in a same time but it's not possible
You probably mean Huge Power, which Azumarill gives only as a body because it's overpowered otherwise
Slacking Azu fusion
does no guard X sheer cold work ?
and mankey pawn isn't effective with this ability I guess
it is not
in a hoothoot/onix fusion do i want sturdy or keen eye?
neither is great, so 
fair enough i suppose lol
Working on a better way to display this sort of information, but for now, here's a complete shortlist of all the fusions with abilities that are in reverse order from default. To my knowledge, this applies to the full evolutionary line for any of these with evolutions unless otherwise noted:
Absol, Aerodactyl, Arbok, Arcanine, Azumarill, Dugtrio, Dunsparce, Electrode, Farfetch'd, Golem, Granbull, Hitmonchan (but not Tyrogue) Honchkrow, Kingler, Lanturn, Lapras, Machamp, Marowak, Pidgeot, Snorlax, Steelix, and Ursaring.
For now, probably handy for the FAQ
I forgot this was a creature on my save file, please help

The ultimate lifeform
Hehehe... thick head...
beeg brain
👀
Wow amazing !
why is it named tri bird
How would you name it
Parakeet
parayeet
oook
The only actual name from official Pokémon sources is Thu-Fi-Zer
now the sounds nice
That fusion is in the manga, and that’s the Japanese name they give it
Thufizer
Because the Japanese names of Zapdos, Moltres, and Articuno are Thunder, Fire, and Freezer
Yeah
They can't learn TM ot HM ? shame
Shame SHame
Hold up, that aint the Sandile I remember
soo, am I to understand Rotom's not exactly the best pokemon on Japeal.
this might be a fun one to make a custom sprite for
rotom body + nearly any fusion ends up doing that. I guess crobat must be similar? 
What's a good thing to fuse Cranidos with?
What's a good thing to fuse Cranidos with?
@signal badger
Blissey/Snorlax for tankiness, Marowak/Azumarill for power, Ninjask for speed
Show cursed fusions pls
that is horrifying
ok but that must make for a fun sprite, lol. legs and arms on springs. a terrifying powerhouse
Oh I love it, nice shell ❤️
@plain holly 
heh, butt.
i really havent seen my fusions being used
only requests
Thats still your fusion tho mmmm
yeah, but i feel like it doesnt count 
ok I just found this randomly on cycling road, nice sprite
lil bitch is using Recover
shit now I'll have to name it that
normal/ghost + wonder guard seems ok 🙂
ok I just found this randomly on cycling road, nice sprite
happy katten
Katten
yes?
It makes sense people dont see or use your customs often yk
yeah, i havent made a ton.
Cause they are made for those certain specific mons that you use
Ah
i have also tried to do more for the chart latley
Imagine not playing huehueh
i do play the game tho 👀
I don't think it's really usable sadly
However it was really good at healing me using recover and pain split, lol
are fusions chimeric organisms? aka 2 sets of dna?
However it was really good at healing me using recover and pain split, lol
@wary jungle~~ i mean, stall-~~
are fusions chimeric organisms? aka 2 sets of dna?
@mystic vector That is an interesting question.
What traits do these normally have?
Katten stall doesen't usually include healing the opponent XD
@mystic vector That is an interesting question.
What traits do these normally have?
@feral wyvern chimeras do exist in nature they are rare
but if a fusion can be undone
thatmeans that the original dna of ech of the helves is still intatc
the ethics behind this game always make me question it
I am talking details like, can they reproduce?
If no, then that could be a sign.
even if the bodies are smooshed toghther
natural chimeras are the result of 2 embryos ofdiffrente dan creating one being, rare, but it happens and can make babies
imagine the confusion of a chimeric man getting his chioldren dna tested and comes out negative jute because it was the OTHER dna
but chimeras of 2 animals of different species do not happen in nature
unless there's some kind of symbiotic thing
the portuguese manowar is a weird example
the big brains still cannot make sense of that
my guess is that if I was to study the tissue of a fused pokemon I would find cells of of bothe pokemon A and B
MY HEART STOPPED I THOUGHT I FOUND A SHINY LMAO
Powermove: find a shiny in a game without them.
imagine if it was ha
Scare the devs by showing them a feature they didn't make.
lmao
huh
looks mildly upset
wait a minute that's a gengar/Sceptile fusion
?
Look at the species name
cheats!
What are you talking about?
sjoba
Yeah, why would you think he’s cheating or using debug?
look at the picture
why? why say why?
Because you’ve given no reason to why you think he’s using debug
You deleted your comment saying he was using debug
If you’re wondering why the image used for the Pokémon is not the actual fusion, it’s because you can name any image file to replace a Pokémon’s sprite in the game
bcuz i just did it
What are you even saying?
he just replaced the sprite of gengar/sceptile fusion with liligant
Yes
You deleted your comment saying he was using debug
i was refering to this
so
neither of us were correct
You and SpaceSR were wrong
so what?
Im not using debug
Neither am i cheating
I just use this sprite for gengar sceptile because i wanna dream
debug just brings you back to last pokemon center you were at right? like the last save at one?
does it do more than that?
what would happen if you used a mist stone on an eevee/eevee fusion?
Cheats?
The two eevees I tested on both turned into Vaporeon individually. With a reload and fusing the eevees together, then applying mist stone, I just ended up with 2 vaporeons fused together
👍
Are there any mist stone secrets/Easter eggs at all?
debug just brings you back to last pokemon center you were at right? like the last save at one?
@agile halo You can do pretty much anything with debug
You have to catch every unfused Pokémon to unlock it
huh
The head of a fusion always provieds the first type while the body switches if the head already provided that type right?
Cant happen the other way around?
Yeh, you can end up losing a type that way.
Is corsola rhyperior water ground or water rock?
The Fusion generatorw says water ground, but shouldnt it be water rock?
I just use this sprite for gengar sceptile because i wanna dream
knew it
ooh, he scary
eh, more like an angry handpuppeteer
Somehow, the shape fits.
the heck is dat
a cool one
He double sideways u
ヘック
フリック
trash
It's really weird that moltres has type overwrite for fire, but then ho-oh doesn't.
Cause Lugia doesn't
Lugia's signature move is flying. It is arguably more flying than psychic.
Ho-oh is fire and bird in the same ratio as moltres, imo.
Ho-oh most definitely is a bird 
And I obviously wasn't, yet you tried to correct me.
no need to nitpick over names of typings, and certainly no need to jump to name calling in defense
I didn't mean that as that negative, I just really like that react image 
lol go fuck yourself
That isn't very nice
Indeed
the lol helps to establish a joking tone at least
@foggy smelt
lol in that specific case is very dismissive and rude, actually.
well what about this?
Why is there a cursor in the top left?
Adds to the picture
Imagine arguing about bird type and flying type
The Bird type is a glitched type of Pokémon, possibly a beta Flying type. It currently does not apply to any natural Pokémon, but does appear in some glitched placeholder Pokémon like Missingno.
Thanks Google.
Bird = Beta Flying
Ergo Bird = Flying
Not just dense, but compressed.
compressing makes things denser
That reminds me of this joke:
"Oh so you're fandom trash? compacts you"
"Is that a new word for glomping?"
compacts Ocxin OwO is dis a bulgie wulgie chuve got ? ish it biggy biggy becauwus of mew~? Blushes
Bit much...
...

ill name my first born daughter Latilia
idk I just overdosed on cute. in the end I just put her deep in a box.
Your heart-shaped box
Hey, wait!
Hey if I fuse 2 pokemon but they can evolve do they both seperatley evolve
Yes, both halves evolve the way they would unfused
So does rotom have any exceptions to his typing when fused?
No, it gives elec or ghost as normal.
with levitation you can make interesting combination
That means a pokemon could theoretically evolve 4 times
Yes. Really, it's of what I like about this game.
I'm so Happy this isn't autogenned anymore because Klinklang autogens are some of the worst
I have these as fusions with no assigned sprite
(the one below the hand is Reshiram/Bisharp)
And Pilowswine/Bisharp is actually Piloswine/Darkrai
Anyone Have Request’s
Check #sprite-requests
@ancient ice you don't talk in the request area you just react in any request you are willing to part take if they don't want a specific person in mind
I deleted it already but thanks
You can react like this ✅ to accept one or ❌ to reject if you been selected for a sprite you don't like or aren't capable.
How do I know it wasn’t already made
Someone won't request for a already made sprite and if they do, it isn't a problem so long someone hasn't made one recently.
Also if you still have doubts type in the search bar: in: sprite-gallery [Insert Pokemon/Pokemon fusion]
How do I show the one I pick
React to the request with ✅ if no one has a spriter in mind or to agree in making one. Reason is so people will know that you'll make it.
In spritework when you are doing the sprite you can ping the person who requested it for any fixes. Also yeah.
Do ❌ to reject. Only if you get targeted for a specific sprite.
No problem
Wrong channel. Go to #spriting-discussion @slim sonnet
oh sorry
Is this not a custom sprite? It's in the "battlers" folder not Custom Battlers but I find it hard to believe it's auto-generated.
There are a couple of autogen that look good. You just have to find any half pixel or any misplacements
not a custom sprite
(inverted colors extension if you're wondering why the background is black)
This is a surprisingly good autogen, but with a name like that it still deserves better...
Also technician stab fakeout, stab uproar, and soon technician bullet seed. And only 2 (x2) weaknesses. Seems dece. Overall stats are worse than the reverse (especially much slower), but grass/normal has so many weaknesses...
I think this Pokemon is good. The autogen wasn't very kind to it though, lol.
All the generates with that pokémon are trash
i got this sprite downloaded so why is it using the generated one?
the opposite gives this so why is the sprite not being used
could be wrongly named

