#fusions

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fluid karma
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What is that?

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That’s not the normal fusion calculator

steep karma
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it seems like they just made it more confusing

fresh coyote
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howso?

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doesn't seem very confusing

mint shard
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In terms of stats and stuff it seems the same

fluid karma
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Can someone show me the stats of a Bisharp and Banette fusion?

mint shard
fluid karma
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Alright, I know what I’m going to make this Banette/Bisharp look like

mint shard
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Nice. Ghost/Steel seems like a pretty good typing

fluid karma
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There are a few base Pokémon with that typing, like the Honedge line

mint shard
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Mhm. Are there any others? I can't think of any other than those 3

fluid karma
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I thought there were, but maybe not

mint shard
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Doesn't seem like it

slate stream
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I should probably take stats in for fusions as well as type

steep pagoda
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king dingler

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i love it

hidden bison
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wouldnt it be.. Kingler .. ?

feral wyvern
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That made me laugh way longer than it should.

fluid karma
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No idea what the heck this guy is using, but it’s not the real calculator

hidden bison
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it is

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its the ... 5th column

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@steep pagoda The nickname mechanic isnt accurate

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its not like it is in the game

steep pagoda
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i know, this is theorymonning anyway.

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my theorymonning dungeon

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and it is the real calculator, just with some modifications

fluid karma
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That looks more messy and confusing than the normal one

steep pagoda
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It makes more sense if you aren't used to either layout, though

fluid karma
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Why would you move the section where you select a Pokémon? Now it’s more difficult to tell what their normal types are

steep pagoda
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it's not removed.

fluid karma
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You clearly didn’t read what I said

steep pagoda
fluid karma
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Yours is just inferior to the normal one

steep pagoda
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superior, actually. Because mine includes the full pokedex with updated stats and accurate type arrangements

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and regional variants

fluid karma
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The layout is changed for the worse

steep pagoda
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don't knock it `til you try it

fluid karma
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If I didn’t know Arcanine was pure fire and Volcarona was bug/fire, I wouldn’t be able to tell what type those Pokémon are from your calculator because they’re in a completely different location from the Pokémon’s names

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In the actual calculator, you tell tell very clearly what type a Pokémon is

steep pagoda
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also if you don't know that something that has "canine" in the name isn't part bug, something's wrong

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also remember: Type 1, Type 2

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It's not Head Type, Body Type on the rows, but on the columns

fluid karma
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There is no reason to use yours over the normal one

steep pagoda
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unless you're theorymonning

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also mine takes up less space in a screenshot

fluid karma
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What the heck does that mean?

steep pagoda
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@cerulean vine please explain to this knucklehead

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what theorymonning is

fluid karma
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You don’t even know?

steep pagoda
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Theorymonning is where you try out how something would work given certain rules, in Pokémon.

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You can theorymon how Fusions should be calculated, be it by thirds or by averages, or how triple fusions could work, or how gender could play in, or even factor egg groups with bonuses, etc.

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In this case, the current theorymon is:
Standard IF calculation rules + National Pokédex + Fixed types + Custom 3-part name generation + tiers + type overrides + updated stats

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It's like metagaming

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but in theory

fluid karma
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That sounds like stuff irrelevant to this game, which already has rules that cannot be changed for fusion

steep pagoda
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cannot, or will not?
careful what you say.

fluid karma
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It just sounds like your calculator is not accurate to the game

steep pagoda
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It's not. Thus, theorymonning.

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but it uses the same calculation method

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thus, relevant

fluid karma
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So it is completely inferior then

steep pagoda
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no, not inferior; inapplicable.

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The two cannot be compared.

fluid karma
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Why use an inaccurate calculator to see what a fusion’s stats are like?

steep pagoda
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Because the stats will remain the same as with normal IF calculation, with the exception of Alakazam and Aegislash (which had changes in gen 6 and gen 8, respectively)

fluid karma
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2 things being wrong is still more than no things being wrong, so your calculator should not be used

steep pagoda
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agreed. now let's drop it.

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No need to thank me for adding the new Pokémon to "In column 3", either. It was just common courtesy since everybody was asking for it.

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I changed nothing else there.

fluid karma
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Did you use the correct stats?

steep pagoda
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absolutely

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none of them changed over the generations

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Oh, and one last thing about how mine is actually a superior calculator, albeit less applicable:
You can move around any of the cells, and it won't crash the calculator. Do that to the standard calculator, and it can produce numerous errors.

fluid karma
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Roserade had their stats changed

steep pagoda
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hm. ok.

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(notice Arcanine got moved to the far right of the stat zone)

fluid karma
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So did Krookodile

steep pagoda
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well, which stats are we going with? the new or the old?

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I'll fix it if you know

fluid karma
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Gen 5 stats

steep pagoda
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Also, did we add all Rotom forms?

foggy vale
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No

fluid karma
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No, only base Rotom

steep pagoda
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good. so did i.

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and Deoxys, too?

fluid karma
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Only base Deoxys

steep pagoda
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yep. that's what I gave. all right, all is fixed and functional.

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(In column 3)

eternal pond
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I fused two hoppips to see if same-chain Pokemon could fuse. The result was a "Hopip" missing one of its 'P's in the name. Is that intended?

Also, is there any particular reason to fuse two same-chain pokes other than being able to sort of pick between certain stats, like the abilities?

fluid karma
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No real reason to do self-fusions, the only thing that changes is certain Pokemon like Charizard and Steelix become monotype

eternal pond
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Fair enough. Any idea on the "Hopip" thing or was that just a typo that happened to exist with that fusion?

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Or I guess that is a result of the prefix/suffix from each Pokemon? Hop and Ip (instead of Pip)?

slate stream
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Yeah

eternal pond
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How are the stats of pokemon with different forms handled while fused? i.e. if Aegislash changes form while fused with another pokemon, what happens to its stats exactly?

fluid karma
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For Aegislash specifically, read_pinned

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Arceus I think just changes the normal type to the plate type

eternal pond
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oh interesting, edge case 😮

fluid karma
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No one else has forms

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And even the ones with “forms” don’t change sprites

eternal pond
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not mid combat, no, but there are the rotoms and deoxys forms as well

fluid karma
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Nope, only base forms for them

eternal pond
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ah

fluid karma
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There are plans to add other forms in the future I believe

eternal pond
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I'm still not sure I understand the stat calculation from the pin. Are the stats of fused pokemon combined to a total that is then modified by an equivalent (additive) amount the form-change would apply, or are the stats calculated independently still while fused? i.e. would changing to attack form grant the same +100 ATK and SP.ATK while reducing DEF and SP. DEF the same amount? Or would it use the %weighting from the fuse stat split? (66 or 33 to those stats, respectively).

fluid karma
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What are you asking?

eternal pond
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Aegislash has two different base statlines depending on the form it is in. But while fused, these won't be its base stats - what happens when it changes form?

fluid karma
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Stance change just switches both attack and defense stats

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So it will still do that

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Though it’s buggy, as explained in the pinned comment

eternal pond
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Switches the combined total of the fused pokemon, or the base stats of aegislash in the fusion?

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The pin does not answer this

fluid karma
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The actual stats you see in the game

eternal pond
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Ok, so the combined total

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That's confusing, because that is not how the ability functions in the games. Understandably, given the complexity here, but I was trying to get to the bottom of how it is calculated in this system.

fluid karma
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That is how it works in the games

eternal pond
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It doesn't reverse the stats, it changes the base statline. Without fusions, you ultimately arrive at the same result. With fusions, the result is entirely different.

fluid karma
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I guess I forgot how it worked in the games

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Also I have no idea what you just tried to say

eternal pond
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The stats of the pokemon are derived from base values (shown in the table above), in tandem with EVs and IVs. If you change the base stats of the pokemon, the stat value shown in game is going to change. Normally, this only affects one set of stats - the pokemon with the ability (in this case Aegislash). With fusions, you now have two base statlines somehow in play with each other. Per the FAQ, the base stats of the fusion become a weighted average between the two pokemon being fused.

My question is, since those stats are a weighted average, does the total shown in-game account for Aegislash's ability affecting only its base statline (and not its partner in the fusion), then recalculating the fusion average weighting, OR is it actually adding/subtracting 100 from the cumulative fusion base statline.

Your answer was that it does neither; it simply reverses the raw ATK and DEF, much like Power Swap would do, if I'm understanding correctly.

fluid karma
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The stats change, I’m guessing it just recalculates to account for the new Aegislash base stats in shield form

eternal pond
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So it's not the Power Swap scenario after all, nor the cumulative stat adjustment? To be clear then, it does recalculate the base form stats (without the fusion), then re-filters those stats through the average-weighting system to arrive at the fusion's new stat total, mid battle?

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with the pinned caveats of affecting only ATK/DEF and the forms getting out of sync

fluid karma
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I assume it just recalculates the fusion’s stats

eternal pond
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Can you put that into an equation? Because as described above, there are multiple ways that could be done

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I'm trying to understand specifically how - that is clear in the base game without needing to see any code. Fusions introduce complexity and options in the required custom handling.

fluid karma
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I said I’m assuming, I’ve never used an Aegislash fusion before

foggy smelt
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Snorfeon seems really strong, especially with thick fat to cover 2 of grass's weaknesses...

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Downside: name contains "snorf"

hidden bison
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Snorfeon

fluid karma
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*snorf*

vivid dagger
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Hrm. Unfortunately, you can't get Rock Head as an ability on the Electric/flying fusion version of Electivire and Aerodactyl. Unless I'm missing something.

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At least it'll get motor drive on evolution.

snow orchid
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Guys, the latest spritepack, how up to date is it regarding the AWESOME sprites a few people has put up the last weeks on the reddit?

rancid ice
fluid karma
feral wyvern
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Ah yes, the good chonk. I remember when he was made.

simple osprey
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Smile.jpeg

feral wyvern
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I used to think the leg fluff on the back left leg was a massive gut. XD

placid ginkgo
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i cant unsee it

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damn you!

feral wyvern
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At least I'm not alone anymore. ;_;

steep karma
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you think so

fluid karma
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It is a gut, that’s what the creator said

feral wyvern
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Hm? I remember it being deconfirmed.

fluid karma
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It isn’t even in the right position to be hair on the legs

feral wyvern
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How strange...
Anyway, I will give him tummyrubs either way.

fluid karma
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You just have more area to work with than you originally though

feral wyvern
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And remember: You can't spell fast without fat!

fluid karma
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You can actually, because the word fat is not in the word fast

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Your logic would also say the word fat is in the word frantic

fresh coyote
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did you know, you actually can't spell the word "Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis"
without the letter "P," because in that case, it would be spelt "neumonoultramicroscoicsilicovolcanoconiosis"

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the more you know!

vivid dagger
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Huh

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I wonder if a flygon fusion would be a good addition to my team.

fresh coyote
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possibly

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depends on your other party members

vivid dagger
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Current team is:

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Snorlax/Doublade (Ghost/Normal), Crobat/Primeape (Poison/Fighting), Nidoking/Blastoise (Water/Ground), Togekiss/Forettress (Steel/Fairy), and Espeon/Ninetails (Fire/Psychic)

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Erm

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There we go

open osprey
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Hmm personally id say get maybe a grass or electric type?

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Flygons dragon typing could be useful as well

vivid dagger
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Yeah

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Well, I have a Zapdos and a Electivire

open osprey
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Electivire fused with it results in a similar stat distribution to flygon

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So if youd rather go with a faster special attacker with dragon breath/dragon pulse or something, zapdos would be the way to go

vivid dagger
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Noted

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Flygon getting levitate is pretty hype

open osprey
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Yeah that is super useful

vivid dagger
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That said, now I"m morbidly curious what the sprite is for that fusion

vivid dagger
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Huh

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That is both doofy, and yet I love them

open osprey
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Lmao yeah, zapdos is weird to work with

vivid dagger
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I must protect the derpbird

heady trellis
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goofy bird

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love him

shut lily
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i wish he was badass bird

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:9

vivid dagger
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It looks like he flies around all wonky like

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And I must protect

eternal pond
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shouldn't snubbull as a body grant access to Intimidate instead of Run Away? these two seem to be reversed ffoxesHuh

foggy smelt
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Snubbull's face us the scarry part, and legs are the runny part bitterLOL

eternal pond
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Thematically on point. Doesn't match the mechanics I was aware of and had to change up some plans though 😦

fickle sundial
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just joined the discord - has anyone noticed that when you fuse doduo (body) and remoraid (face) it turns into a cubone with a gun?

fluid karma
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Seems like the file may be misnamed

foggy smelt
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Yep, checked on it. 223.84.png in the custombattles should be renamed to 223.104.png. I'll put it in bug reports.

shrewd berry
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This is why ya'll should pick up sprites when they're posted instead of waiting for the sprite packs. Then you'll remember to fix any name mistakes.

rose meteor
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Pretty new to this discord, so I might have missed it..
Are there any rules for the stats of ||triple|| fusions and the combined names of fused mons?

shrewd berry
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names are the ones from japeal, triple fusion stats are just an average

rose meteor
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it does not use the same names.. a lot of them are different

rain ocean
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i'd assume the names would be the first part of the first 2 pokemon and the last name of the 3rd since it was like that in the manga and in this game i think

rose meteor
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there is a list with the special names. I am talking about the names of normal fused mons

foggy smelt
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If a part of a fusion has an egg move (e.g. curse on a snorlax) can it still relearn it after unfusing?

proud crane
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I mentioned it in #game-suggestions once I think, but as far as I know, unfusing will cause each half to know the normal moves for the level it's at

foggy smelt
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And it is a Beauty type trainer that has it, iirc.

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Seems like it would be infuriating to fight against if it knew rest.

remote blade
hidden bison
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Because is not a fusion is just a recolor rayquaza

remote blade
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That's why I said inspired

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Make it actually more mismagius-y

fluid karma
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Also that’s a bad photoshop job

feral wyvern
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...can someone tell me where this appeared and in what concept?

fluid karma
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This is from a the anime when Mismagius trapped them in a dream

feral wyvern
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Ah.

kindred sphinx
feral wyvern
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Found her!

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Actually, that could make for a cool fusion.

pure basalt
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Karen´s type is Grass and Rock

crude sinew
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Not in the game, afaik.

brave hull
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Grass cause of her weeve and rock cause of her heart

pure basalt
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also , cause of essential oils and magic crystals/rocks

left lantern
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also grass for her cut mask's

vivid bay
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hi george man

left lantern
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hello

karmic wolf
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hey, why is empoleon as the head part steel if i fuse it with meganium? shouldn't it be water cause its original typing is water/steel?

feral wyvern
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It's possible this was changed in this game, if yes then most lilely for balance or variety.

karmic wolf
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Hmm ok, was surprised as nothing was mentioned in the wiki. But maybe it was in the later patches :/ so guess I gotta switch. Thx 👍

small flax
fresh coyote
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thank you for taking a picture of your screen

small flax
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Idk how to do screenshots on computer sorry about that lol

foggy smelt
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literally the button on the keyboard called 'printscreen'

small flax
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Seriously

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Wow okay

fluid karma
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Then paste it here

small flax
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Got it!

foggy smelt
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or the default windows program 'snipping tool' to take partial cuts.

fluid karma
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It basically copies your screen at that moment

small flax
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Huh okay

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Thanks!

eternal pond
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Cuhorn especially looks great. The mamsaur themeing is on point though, so it also stood out to me 😄

fresh coyote
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The mamsaur is an auto generated sprite

slate stream
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^

fresh coyote
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and it looks better than the actual custom mamoswine/venusaur

eternal pond
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that's hilarious, cause it looks fantastic. Big warty pig plant dino

simple osprey
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and it looks better than the actual custom mamoswine/venusaur
@fresh coyote you what??

eternal pond
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oh man that's also great. Prehistoric tree 😮

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I guess venusaur has a big enough face that the auto-face mashup doesn't look too messy, and recoloring is pretty simple

fresh coyote
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I really don't think that looks that good, Stan

simple osprey
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bruh how

eternal pond
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the flower thing in middle looks a bit out of place or off colored, but otherwise I love it

simple osprey
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its better than the auto generated one

fresh coyote
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eh?

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coloring seems a bit weird in some spots, shading a bit weird, personally don't like that part of the face is blocked by the tusks

eternal pond
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I like the squished face in the auto one too. Makes it look more heavy-set

simple osprey
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where else would the tusks need to be..

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yeah the coloring is a tad odd but this is a lot better than the auto generated one

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it being cleaner should already make it better

fresh coyote
simple osprey
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dunno about that

eternal pond
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a snowcone oddeot

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either way cuhorn looks like it took a ton of effort. Most impressive sprite I've found in game so far, but there are many more to see still 😄

slate stream
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Better question is what version is Druid playing on?

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If they don't have have a old sprite like that

fresh coyote
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they might not have the sprite packs?

eternal pond
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4.7.0.2 from the forum thread

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is that not up to date?

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I didn't go out of my way to get any custom spritepacks. Just unpackaged whatever download was in that thread

eternal pond
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is there a particular one I should look into?

fluid karma
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Get all the sprite packs

eternal pond
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They don't conflict?

fluid karma
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They consist mostly of sprites that don't have alt versions

eternal pond
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the spritepack link in FAQ leads to 404 error - is it still valid?

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forum thread has valid link still it seems

fluid karma
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@tepid cargo read_pinned

harsh seal
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So I've added a couple mons from a few different generations and I'm getting creative

hidden bison
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Why did you do that....

harsh seal
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Because calculating all possible fusions even if not implemented yet seemed like fun, also extremely easy to do on my copy of the calculator

fresh coyote
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as long as they do it to their own personal copy, which it looks like it is, its fine

harsh seal
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I don't like to deface property that others use for my own benefit

fluid karma
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No more Pokemon are going to be added

harsh seal
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You never know, there might be another competition and I might have hope for winning a tournament if I find a program to not Fuckey wuckey up the sprite when I resize and clean backgrounds of it

fresh coyote
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How do you know? thonkcircle

fluid karma
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And what does that have to do with no more Pokemon being added to the game?

harsh seal
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The Starter trio fusion winner, what was their prize again?

fluid karma
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That was a one-time thing

harsh seal
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Still means there might be hope for another one

fluid karma
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There isn't

harsh seal
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Pft, I'm the man who doesn't give up even after failing so miserably that it's almost physically impossible to fail that much. My hope in it shall remain.

fluid karma
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OK, but that prize only existed because Frogman was adding the last new batch of Pokemon and he thought that would be a good prize for the starter triple fusion winner because of the importance of having a sprite for them

harsh seal
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Well damn, guess I've got no luck there then, if it's really the last batch xD

fluid karma
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Luck for what?

harsh seal
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Oh damn, didn't realize Hydreigon was in the game, but none of the mon's line says where you get it, so I assume it's only through debug mode

brave hull
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Or randomizer

fluid karma
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Yeah, none of the new ones except Pyukumuku are available through normal means right now

harsh seal
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Ye, I was gonna say, never saw the list get updated and nothing really changed in game anyways, but now I have the spirit to try to make a Jibril-style Garchomp/Diancie fusion nonetheless

brave hull
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Thats why I like randomizer, last time I play this was in version 3 and I got to say though exp could be tweaked a bit, I really love this game

fluid karma
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Diancie isn't in the game, but you could still make the sprite for yourself

brave hull
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Also Snorlax/Aegislash is awesome. Well mine is at least

harsh seal
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Well yeah definitely not in the game, but I can put it in for a different fusion of Garchomp/Fairy-type with about 588 points, honestly it wouldn't be too tricky to go through them all since I'd have to just research all the fairy secondary pokemon

eternal pond
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If you fuse a not-fully-evolved (NFE) pokemon with a fully evolved pokemon, then give the resulting fusion Eviolite, does the bonus from Eviolite apply? That seems REALLY good with dusclops, for example...

atomic matrix
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Anyone one got a jirachi body charizard head custom sprite?

fluid karma
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No

eternal pond
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Was that in regards to the eviolite question or the sprite question?

fluid karma
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Sprite

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About Eviolite, it does take into account both halves

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I use Eviolite on my Porygon2/Mew

eternal pond
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yeah porygon2 would be an excellent candidate as well. That makes eviolite pretty insane 😮 Thanks for the info

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Night Shade / Curse / Will-o-Wisp / Softboiled Blissclops, here I come allthethings

pallid ore
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eviolite got nerfed to 25% boost though. still strong

feral wyvern
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Also, everstone has the same effect now, right?

eternal pond
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eviolite got nerfed to 25% boost though. still strong
ah, that's pretty noteworthy

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Also, everstone has the same effect now, right?
Any confirmation on that would be great. I'd much rather not manually cancel evolutions if possible

pallid ore
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eviolite acts as an everstone, not sure about the other way around

eternal pond
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works for me then 😄

feral wyvern
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Ah... I think that was what I remembered, sorry.

harsh seal
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It's the second one that's in my game

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I also need to rename her

fluid karma
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I think that one looks better

harsh seal
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It really does, the feel of it is more meshed together instead of a cute palette swap

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Now my current other fusion for Dark types is Spiripom, which isn't half bad for a generated sprite

fluid karma
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I don't know what that is

harsh seal
fluid karma
harsh seal
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Lowkey the darkrai sprites didn't look half bad, then it got a bit goofier with that flower head venusaur

fluid karma
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I still like it

harsh seal
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It's definitely well done, I'll admit that

fluid karma
harsh seal
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That houndoom jaw and those horns thoughhhhh

fluid karma
harsh seal
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Absol/Zoroark, not a half bad fusion in theory, ignoring the shiny Absol blade though the hair looks lopsided for me, like it was just added on from the original sprite it came from, though I'm too used to seeing how perspective works

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All I can imagine is that it's Zoroark's hair but sideways for it in a comical sense now

fluid karma
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It does sorta flow towards the right

harsh seal
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Better done than I probably pulled off with my... Single sprite ever half assed attempted at least

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But I just imagine it looks like if somebody took their hair and hair sprayed it in the horizontal position, so the back of the hair is the normal side view now or something

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But then agian the entire creature's body is tilted to the right, so maybe it's a weird angle to work with all things considered

fluid karma
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I did copy paste the ponytail part

harsh seal
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xD Hey, you did a great job, but I am extremely detail oriented to such a weirdly bad extent, I apologize if it sounded harsh when I poked at it

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Though Houndoom/Machamp is definitely a decent keeper

nova ether
slate stream
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Why

heady trellis
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thank you soup

pure basalt
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thank you Will

brave hull
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What happened to it's eyes?

sleek elm
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Hey @nova ether if you are interested in spriting for this game make sure you work in a 96x96 canvas size then resizing the whole thing to 288x288 or by 300% that way it will fit with the rest of the sprites, you can use that charizard/tyranitar for your game but it will be rejected here

kindred sphinx
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if i fuse a clefairy and jigglypuff and give a moon stone will they both evolve at once?

brave hull
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Yeah it should

kindred sphinx
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dude look at this thing it looks like it's saying 'please kill me'

feral wyvern
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Nah, it does not have enough cognitive function for pain.

fluid karma
#

How do we get this to permanently stop appearing when changing the second Pokemon in the calculator?

shrewd berry
#

Make a personal copy and use that instead.

fresh coyote
#

has it only recently started to do that?

fluid karma
#

Yeah

fresh coyote
#

It is probably a setting someone messed with when the new pokemon were added, then

copper briar
#

good lord what happened here

fluid karma
#

Aurora borealis?

pure basalt
#

aurora borealis !? , at this time of year ? , at this time of day ? , in this part of the country ? , localized entirely within your kitchen ?

fluid karma
#

Yes 🙂

copper briar
#

may i see it?

fluid karma
#

...no 😐

pure basalt
left lantern
#

grog

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grass dog

small flax
#

Grag

left lantern
#

grog

nova ether
#

@sleek elm ok thank you for the resize i thought something was off when i was playing but i will have to pass that sprite took me to long to make it look good. XD

frigid lynx
#

What should my CHARMADER and pukeum have innards out or blaze

open osprey
#

innards out would be pretty useful early on?

proud crane
#

Blaze isn't great. Might go with Innards

feral wyvern
#

Honestly, the Starter abilities are kind of underrated, but spicy stuff like this is always fun.

sacred yew
#

I mean Charmander isn't the bulkiest Pokemon tbf

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They work better on starters like meganium who have the bulk to utilize it

frigid lynx
#

Who should I fuse with bulbasor

vivid bay
#

wooper

brave hull
#

Bidoof

lost wyvern
#

depends on what you want

#

could do Meganium for a bulky grass type

frigid lynx
#

I want too keep poison

lost wyvern
frigid lynx
#

What would be better woopher or bidoof?

vivid bay
#

wooper

frigid lynx
#

Ok

vivid bay
#

do it like this

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Bulbasaur/Wooper

frigid lynx
#

Where can I find a wiper

#

Wooper *

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Nvm

#

Randomize

vivid bay
#

oh

frigid lynx
#

Gonna just fuse it with my kabuto

slate stream
#

You can't keep poison

plain bobcat
#

Anyone have a good Mawile fusion?

open osprey
#

The pins in general has a fusion calculator

hidden bison
#

fusing bulbasaur
wanting to keep poison type

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Sry but bulbasaur and its line is grass locked for fusions

brave hull
#

Just fuse it with Weedle

elder scroll
#

Fuse it with ekans

sleek elm
#

Or koffing

brave hull
#

Or another poison type

kindred sphinx
#

are there any raticate/noctowl custom sprites?

brave hull
frank surge
#

Loving this game so far. One answer I can't seem to find is what dictates the nature of the newly fused pokemon?

fluid karma
frank surge
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Very first thing I did. I skimmed over it again and saw most of the info was the same as the in game tutorial. Which also didn't seem to specify. Searching the rest of the discord it looks like the body takes the nature if you reverse fuse, so I'm guessing body? Because I'm still not seeing said answer.

fluid karma
#

I didn't realize it wasn't said in there

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@proud crane You think you could add in how natures work for fusions in #fusion-faq?

frank surge
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Any chance I can get the answer that yes body dictates nature? lol took a break and about to start playing again @fluid karma ?

fluid karma
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I don't know

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Last I played I was using splicers that let me pick the nature

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Super splicers

frank surge
#

Ahhh gotcha

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It's rip anyway. Lol I had a modest bulbasaur to start, then fused to nidorino using bulba body not realizing the body/head split, de-fused, and refused and now it's lax, so I'm assuming it took the nature of the nido. No worries either way, but yeah a FAQ update would definitely be nice.

proud crane
#

updated

fluid karma
#

Cool

vague vapor
foggy smelt
summer mantle
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what is the worst pokemon fusion? the best i could come up with is magikarp/unown but it evolves, second choice is unown/dunsparce

summer mantle
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question, what in all that is good is this thing staring at me with it's unblinking eye. i am horrified and might have nightmares.

plain bobcat
summer mantle
#

those are neat

plain bobcat
plain bobcat
foggy smelt
#

They do most of the /Garevior sprites, tbh bitterLOL

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Too bad Gard makes a terrible body stat-wise...

plain bobcat
#

waifus > stats

fluid karma
#

That is what Sjoba likes to make

hidden bison
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@plain bobcat B)

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@fluid karma usually i care for stats. But people want me to make waifus

edgy pollen
plain bobcat
#

Sjoba just has a talent for waifu making

hidden bison
#

@edgy pollen i dont like you so i wont do your request. im sorry this is something personal

edgy pollen
#

Could be said nicer but okay. Then don't do it

brave hull
#

Thats a rip

hidden bison
#

i said it as nice as possible without lying

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im not telling you to get lost or anything.

edgy pollen
#

Okay

placid ginkgo
#

looks > stats

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thats how you play a fun game 😎

feral wyvern
#

Snorchu is better than Railax, however, Railax is an adorable chonk and I would honestly die for it.

hidden bison
#

If Sjoba is angry at you or doesn't like you
You're in some hot water for sure

plain bobcat
#

Is latios in game this art pokemon made would be a cool fusion for it and Blaze

heady trellis
#

both blaziken/latias and blaziken/latios exist and look very much like this

harsh seal
#

Two Blaziken/Latias sprites I've seen, one by Knuckles and the other by Blaquaza

heady trellis
#

wait I didn't realize they're both latias

#

woops

harsh seal
#

Latios would have blue fur wouldn't he?

plain bobcat
#

That would make sense

heady trellis
#

well I mean it's blaziken red

#

idk where I'm going with this

harsh seal
#

Pft, the difference between latios and latias is their color scheme lol

heady trellis
#

not entirely

harsh seal
#

._. Quite literally that's the main key difference between the two

heady trellis
#

well yeah

#

but I mean

#

look at latias' face compared to latios'

harsh seal
#

Feminine compared to it

#

But otherwise it's close to a nidoking/nidoqueen relation in terms of species

heady trellis
#

what I'm saying is that one looks more like latios than the other

harsh seal
#

The design for that was never finalized for anything, so we can't say if that was originally going to be latios' design or if they swapped it out or if your idea is right

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It's purely speculation at that point

heady trellis
#

true

pseudo anvil
#

No idea what to mix glaceon with between these 4:
Rapidash, Ninetales, Armaldo, Houndoom

simple osprey
#

Rapidash, for Ice/snow instead of fire

hidden bison
#

Armaldo body is fun but slow

brave hull
#

Go with Ninetales for a sudo Alolan Ninetales

pseudo anvil
#

So I guess houndoom is meh then xD

#

The rapidash idea does intrigue me now with ice/snow coming out

plain bobcat
#

Type?

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I'm assuming ghost rock

brave hull
#

Why not fuse it with Marowak

#

Easy

#

Or Duskull

plain bobcat
#

That's how I get this?

#

So it's ghost water or rock ground

brave hull
#

I mean the have skulls so it could work, if not then idk

modern galleon
#

i had that.... pretty sure it is fusing Kabotops with Marowak.....so....water ground if i remember

rain ocean
#

if its marowak then its marowak/kabutops which is ground water so what BADshadow said

sonic lotus
#

this pokedex entry is a rollercoaster of emotions 😂

brave hull
#

Ultimate Happiness at a cost, will you take it?

sonic lotus
#

lmao

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but yea idk how this nuzlocke run is gonna go to be honest

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i was worried since togetic starts with metronome as its only attacking move

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but now i think Bide is probably my best option lol

#

with so much bulk

#

serene grace AP is gonna be pog on this thing if it makes it that far

brave hull
#

Ooof

#

Thats a mega Rip

#

Metronome is good imo, however I would not use it everytime

#

My randomizer had my starters be klefki, butterfree, and skimory. I picked skimory due to the moveset and the high stats also it was steel flying

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So my rival fused the resting and also got Steel Flying, but I was stronger due to my stats

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I no longer use the skarmory since the randomizer made it so I couldn't use any steel type in any gym.

sonic lotus
#

my other starter options were smeargle and monferno

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i was tempted to pick smeargle for the meme but i didnt want to have to depend on sketching a good first move to carry me through the entire first areas

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and as useful as having sketch is, smeargle's stats suuuuck

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now ive got a dusclops + natu. game is just throwing all the thicc NFE SwSh meta mons at me LOL

#

i should probs shift to #playthrough-talk

brave hull
#

Yep

agile halo
#

ok so gible/chinchou or chinchou/gible

#

basically dragon elec or water ground

lost wyvern
#

Water/Ground only has grass as a admittedly, 4x weakness

fluid karma
#

Show the stat calculator

lost wyvern
#

Also that ^^

#

Thought this was kinda neat

agile halo
#

well heres the thing i just realized that my starter was water ground aswell lmao

#

but i might just completely remake my team

lost wyvern
#

Rip

agile halo
#

why does my pokemon lose ha when defused?

#

because like now i want the fusion so it can have water absorb but like i cant now because when i defuse it does keep ha

#

doesnt*

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i guess not having an immunity to water isnt so bad when i have rough skin

plain bobcat
steep karma
#

cute

plain bobcat
#

I really like it's title

#

Cool concept

#

Deceiving pokemon with smoke and gas

foggy smelt
#

Silent, but deadly.

brave hull
#

Ha

lost wyvern
#

not sure what to put with reuni, this came to mind after a while tho

#

honestly cofagrigus looks like a solid option

#

hmstdve

plain bobcat
#

psychic ghost hmmm

lost wyvern
#

2 weaknesses but both are 4x

#

ghost / dark big ouchi

#

and most of those will be special attackers, so uh, euh

plain bobcat
#

yeah

#

oooof

lost wyvern
#

but it could probably do decent against anything that's physical

plain bobcat
#

its a slow pokemon too

lost wyvern
#

yeah

#

reu was always slow lol

#

was considering slowbro earlier but idk

plain bobcat
#

would slowbro give more bulk?

lost wyvern
#

more hp but p averageish defenses

plain bobcat
#

u do lose the 2 4x weaknesses

lost wyvern
#

yeah, psychic/water has 5 weaknesses but at least they're all 2x

plain bobcat
#

sounds like a fair trade to me

lost wyvern
#

4x bug but w/e

plain bobcat
#

hmm only one that not too common I think best option so far

#

u also get access to leech seed

lost wyvern
#

yee

plain bobcat
#

wonder what a combo between them would look like

lost wyvern
#

Reu but instead of jelly it's all plant-y and root-y would be cool

spring mesa
#

Steelix body > 155 defense , spam calm mind and recover

vivid bay
#

snorlax / steelix 👀

willow jackal
#

what if I fuse a pokempon with it's evolution then make it evolve ?

vivid bay
#

then

#

you get the evolution

#

like

#

say you fuse

#

pidgeot/charmander

#

when it gets to level 16 or higer it will become a Pidgeot/Charmeleon

willow jackal
#

yes but I can fuse 2 same pokemon, so ?

vivid bay
#

then

#

it will just evolve

#

at its normal

#

evolution thing

willow jackal
#

ok so it's useless

vivid bay
#

pr much

brave hull
#

Well not really

#

There are some pokemon that when fused together you get a new form

#

@willow jackal like Bulbasaur/Bulbasaur

willow jackal
#

oh

brave hull
#

But only some

willow jackal
#

now I want to try it

vivid bay
#

There are some pokemon that when fused together you get a new form
@brave hull wdym by "new form", is it just a sprite or whatever?

brave hull
#

The sprite

#

Like blastoise fuse with blastoise gives you blastoise but with the mega look

willow jackal
#

better stats too ?

brave hull
#

That i don't know maybe

vivid bay
#

No.

brave hull
#

It's for style

vivid bay
#

Tbh it's stupid, just replace the blastoise sprite with mega blastoise if you want that sprite.

willow jackal
vivid bay
#

No, the types wont change

spring mesa
#

No, the types wont change
@vivid bay oh, but what about exception 3 in the calculator?

vivid bay
#

Tbh it's stupid, just replace the blastoise sprite with mega blastoise if you want that sprite.
@vivid bay and if you want the sprite, just do this

lost wyvern
plain bobcat
#

Ghost dark is a better typing

vivid bay
#

but worse stats

plain bobcat
#

That's ok

signal badger
#

doesn't sableye have that type?

vivid bay
#

it does.

plain bobcat
#

Worse stats for only 1 weakness

#

Much better

simple osprey
#

golurk head is cooler fusion potentiol tho

plain bobcat
#

If it's the same 2 pokemon fused and I like one better I usually switch the sprites for myself

#

No guard Bisharp with stab Phantom Force and Knockoff

#

Bisharp gets Guillotine too

agile halo
#

busted

lost wyvern
#

perhaps 🤔

#

worse stats don't matter too much since the real meat of the physical attack stat sticks around

#

it doesn't have much staying power but with No Guard it'd be p good

plain bobcat
#

This one is cool too

#

Dark/Fairy with Prankster Recover and Stockpile

feral wyvern
#

Hm... neither all that cute though... let's change this!

foggy smelt
#

So, I've been theory crafting the best baton passer since fusion let's you put that move that's usually very restricted on other lists. The first boost move that came to mind that I'd want to pass is quiver dance. But then in researching what to fuse to get those together I find venomoth can get both by itself already...

plain bobcat
#

Mawile gets baton pass

#

Prankster would make it priority

foggy smelt
#

So is the answer just to give venomoth a ton of bulk as either snormoth or venix? That's kind of a disappointing answer.

#

Prankster is interesting...

plain bobcat
#

Prankster substitute?

foggy smelt
#

Ooo right sub passes too...

plain bobcat
#

Yep

foggy smelt
#

Chansmoth with evilolite? Would have garbage def though...

plain bobcat
#

Fusing with sableyle makes venomoth dark poison

#

Only weak to ground

foggy smelt
#

Heh, curselax (+sub) with something with speedboost.

plain bobcat
#

Curse speed boost?

#

I don't think that would be very efficient

#

I'm sure he can learn bulkup

rain ocean
plain bobcat
#

rip

#

Sabile @ Leftovers
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature

  • Stockpile
  • Recover
  • Foul Play
  • Play Rough
foggy smelt
#

As far as I can tell Sableye isn't in the game...

fresh coyote
#

It isn't

brave hull
#

But we do have Spiritomb

foggy smelt
#

Way less HP, but more def and sp.def to almost balance it, though it make substitute less desirable. Also umbreon gets baton pass naturally so I don't have to breed the moth.

#

I think the deciding factor here is going to be that umbreon is a way more aesthetically pleasing head than snorlax bitterLOL

fluid karma
#

Why does your screen have inverted colors

foggy smelt
#

chrome extension that forces dark mode everywhere.

fluid karma
#

I don’t think inverted colors are dark mode

fresh coyote
#

those colors aren't directly inverted, though.

foggy smelt
#

Yeh, it's a lot smarter than simple inversion. But still not perfect on strongly colored elements.

signal badger
#

It's high-contrast mode

#

that's what it's called

foggy smelt
#

Actually, the level of contrast is controllable in the extension...

agile halo
#

ok so togetic/sneasel or sneasel/togetic

foggy smelt
#

sneasel body would be more atk and speed, I think.

sleek elm
#

whats something good to fuse with lapras?

plain bobcat
#

Dragonite

#

Gliscor is good too

sleek elm
#

ok thanks!

brave hull
#

Guys Pikachu/Mewtwo fusion but it looks like this

#

idk who made this I just searched pikachu

steep karma
#

pikachu/infernape

brave hull
#

Even better

feral wyvern
#

I wouldn't even mind tbh. This is my type of joke.

craggy hatch
#

someone do this for something im begging you

#

lmfao

lost wyvern
#

mediocre stats outside of attack but the typing is nice, trying to find something that goes well w/ haxorus

fluid karma
#

How does Aegislash look with him?

lost wyvern
#

pretty pog

#

little HP, but otherwise solid staying power

fluid karma
#

Also both defense and attack stats change with Aegislash’s ability

lost wyvern
#

mhm

fluid karma
#

I just want someone to make Haxorus/Aegislash into a battle axe

lost wyvern
#

yeah, could definitely make for a cool sprite

plain bobcat
#

I wish i knew how to use excel properly I wana calc my team

fluid karma
#

Just click on the drop down box on the calculator and select your Pokémon

unique mountain
#

asked in suggestions, but Ill repost here just in case, Could whoever makes the fusion calculator also make it show the fusion's pokedex number? To help with icon filenames and stuff. Shouldnt be too hard to calculate. I think it's head number + (body number * 381), and the 381 increases every time a pokemon gets added

#

it looks like the lookup would need to be expanded to include one column to the left, with pokedex numbers, but that shouldnt be too hard to fix

eternal pond
#

Is there a comprehensive list somewhere of all the pokemon that have their abilities swapped when fused? I'm wasting a lot of time coming up with combinations that turn out to be invalid due to these seemingly undocumented changes. FAQ only has: "(4a) Some pokémon have their first and second abilities swapped for balance or other reasons. These include the evolutionary lines of Pidgey, Ekans, Marill, Chinchou, and others."

#

No way to check beforehand without direct access to the pokemon. Turns out to be quite a few others.

proud crane
#

If you want to help write the list, it would be appreciated.

eternal pond
#

Already working on it. Been manually fusing everything in my PC 🙂

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In addition to those listed in the FAQ, I've so far run into the following that are swapped:

  • Absol
  • Aerodactyl
  • Electrode
  • Granbull
  • Lapras
  • Murkrow
  • Snorlax

Tested and confirmed regular ability order on these:

  • Aipom
  • Alakazam
  • Blissey
  • Cloyster
  • Drifblim
  • Gardevoir
  • Gligar
  • Grimer
  • Haxorus
  • Heracross
  • Hitmontop
  • Hoothoot
  • Hoppip
  • Houndour
  • Kabuto
  • Krookodile
  • Litwick
  • Lucario
  • Machamp
  • Magnezone
  • Mantyke
  • Meowth
  • Nidoran (F)
  • Nidorino
  • Parasect
  • Omanyte
  • Poliwrath
  • Psyduck
  • Quagsire
  • Ralts
  • Remoraid
  • Rhyperior
  • Shuckle
  • Slugma
  • Smeargle
  • Starmie
  • Sudowoodo
  • Swinub
  • Tauros
  • Teddiursa
  • Tentacool
  • Yanmega
foggy smelt
#

Oh wow snorlax is swapped? There goes one of my plans.

eternal pond
#

Tell me about it ryanar3Sip

foggy smelt
#

It is a great head for stats and thick fat on top was going to be great...

eternal pond
#

yeeeep

#

was it garchomp by chance? That was and still is an excellent one but thick fat made it incredible

#

or would have that is

foggy smelt
#

I was thinking snorfeon (leafeon) at one point. Thick fat covers grass so well.

eternal pond
#

ah yeah for sure. great phys bulk in the body for that

foggy smelt
#

I don't have end game stuff yet like garchomp

#

Well, at least my absurd quiver dance passing umbmoth did get shield dust. That thing is nuts.

eternal pond
#

sounds nice 😮 baton pass quiver dance is so nice. I think it's just butterfree, venomoth, and volcarona that get it by level up. Not sure with TM

foggy smelt
#

It's a tm in this?

eternal pond
#

it is

foggy smelt
#

TIL. I was just going off what learned it in official games. I think umbmoth is literally the best when you factor in typing. (e.g. volcarona/gliscor has a very high BST, but terrible bug/flying typing)

proud crane
#

It's in the postgame

eternal pond
#

I believe with random TMs on you may be able to get it sooner, but I'm not 100% sure how the random TM pool works just yet.

foggy smelt
#

poison/dark is only (x2) weak to ground with 4 res and an immunity. Plus it gets to hold black sludge, freeing leftovers for something else. Also has confuse ray + stun powder if you want to that guy.

eternal pond
#

Correction to my list from earlier; pasted aipom in the wrong list initially. Its abilities are in regular order

#

and Krookodile as well. Those were part of the same fusion I mis-pasted

eternal pond
#

If anyone wants to contribute to science and has mons from the unconfirmed list, please report back with what ability and slot (head/body) they got when fused.
EDIT: I'll update this list until the bottom one is empty, to be clear.

Confirmed to have reversed ability order:

  • Absol
  • Aerodactyl
  • Arbok
  • Azumarill
  • Electrode
  • Golem
  • Granbull
  • Honchkrow
  • Kingler
  • Lanturn
  • Lapras
  • Machamp
  • Marowak
  • Snorlax
  • Steelix

Unconfirmed ability order with 2 abilities:

  • Aggron
  • Arcanine
  • Ariados
  • Banette
  • Breloom
  • Clefable
  • Dodrio
  • Dugtrio
  • Dunsparce
  • Girafarig
  • Kingdra
  • Klinklankg
  • Ledian
  • Lopunny
  • Luxray
  • Miltank
  • Pinsir
  • Probopass
  • Qwilfish
  • Reuniclus
  • Seaking
  • Skarmory
  • Stantler
  • Tangrowth
  • Whimsicott

I believe I have any other dual-ability pokemon not listed here confirmed as default.

#

Also, if there are dual-ability legendaries, I don't have those written down. Can't think of any offhand, but they'd also need testing.

agile halo
eternal pond
#

Ran down a list. No dual ability legendaries I see that are also in this game, so the list above should be complete.

eternal pond
#

Found another. Golem's reversed....

eternal pond
#

Marowak's also reversed.

agile halo
#

ok so whos better raichu/sandslash or raichu/marowak

foggy smelt
#

I have just a couple of those on the unconfirmed list, but I'll check 'em.

eternal pond
#

That'd be great, thanks! I'm currently running around a postgame save randomly looking for stuff on the list until it's too small for that to be feasible.

foggy smelt
#

Mr. Mime, Jynx, and Mawile are correct order, but Onix appears to be reversed. @eternal pond

eternal pond
#

oof another one, thanks

foggy smelt
#

That's all I had from the list bitterShrug

eternal pond
#

More than we had before 😄

eternal pond
#

Kingler is reversed

eternal pond
#

I'd say it's probably safe to assume aggron is default ability order, but haven't found one to confirm. Rock Head seems to be intentionally only accessible via the head slot, probably for thematic reasons. However, I thought the same about Quick Feet being tied to the Body (due to the granbull reversal), but Ursaring retains that in the head slot. Thonking

Edit: I'm a dumb and mixed it up in my head. Ursaring does have quick feet in the body.

foggy smelt
feral wyvern
#

It reads like it is malfunctioning.

#

Also, I have to imagine it making a fangirlish scream.

foggy smelt
willow jackal
#

Cool

feral wyvern
#

:3

willow jackal
#

Azumaril (water/fairy) + golem (rock/ground) is suposed to be water/ground but I get a water/rock pokemon why ?

patent inlet
#

cuz rock is a primary typing

willow jackal
#

oh no

patent inlet
#

oh yes

willow jackal
#

I tried to keep sheer force from azumaril and passing it's water type in a same time but it's not possible

proud crane
#

You probably mean Huge Power, which Azumarill gives only as a body because it's overpowered otherwise

plain bobcat
#

Slacking Azu fusion

willow jackal
#

does no guard X sheer cold work ?

plain bobcat
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Probably not

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I think everything but OhKo moves gets boosted accuracy

willow jackal
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and mankey pawn isn't effective with this ability I guess

foggy smelt
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it is not

pseudo anvil
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in a hoothoot/onix fusion do i want sturdy or keen eye?

foggy smelt
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neither is great, so bitterShrug

pseudo anvil
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fair enough i suppose lol

eternal pond
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Working on a better way to display this sort of information, but for now, here's a complete shortlist of all the fusions with abilities that are in reverse order from default. To my knowledge, this applies to the full evolutionary line for any of these with evolutions unless otherwise noted:

Absol, Aerodactyl, Arbok, Arcanine, Azumarill, Dugtrio, Dunsparce, Electrode, Farfetch'd, Golem, Granbull, Hitmonchan (but not Tyrogue) Honchkrow, Kingler, Lanturn, Lapras, Machamp, Marowak, Pidgeot, Snorlax, Steelix, and Ursaring.

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For now, probably handy for the FAQ

earnest stream
foggy smelt
brave hull
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The ultimate lifeform

feral wyvern
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Hehehe... thick head...

earnest stream
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beeg brain

patent inlet
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👀

willow jackal
stiff remnant
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why is it named tri bird

willow jackal
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How would you name it

stiff remnant
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Parakeet

willow jackal
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parayeet

stiff remnant
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oook

fluid karma
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The only actual name from official Pokémon sources is Thu-Fi-Zer

stiff remnant
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now the sounds nice

fluid karma
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That fusion is in the manga, and that’s the Japanese name they give it

stiff remnant
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Thufizer

fluid karma
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Because the Japanese names of Zapdos, Moltres, and Articuno are Thunder, Fire, and Freezer

stiff remnant
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Yeah

willow jackal
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They can't learn TM ot HM ? shame

stiff remnant
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Shame SHame

signal badger
wary jungle
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soo, am I to understand Rotom's not exactly the best pokemon on Japeal.

tepid ridge
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thats some crobat level stuff

earnest stream
eternal pond
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rotom body + nearly any fusion ends up doing that. I guess crobat must be similar? ffoxesLUL

signal badger
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What's a good thing to fuse Cranidos with?

spring mesa
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What's a good thing to fuse Cranidos with?
@signal badger
Blissey/Snorlax for tankiness, Marowak/Azumarill for power, Ninjask for speed

wicked ember
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Show cursed fusions pls

patent inlet
shy eagle
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that is horrifying

wary jungle
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ok but that must make for a fun sprite, lol. legs and arms on springs. a terrifying powerhouse

willow jackal
simple osprey
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@plain holly NANI

vivid bay
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we all love it

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i really havent seen my fusions being used sad

wary jungle
vivid bay
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i really havent seen my fusions being used sad
only requests sad

simple osprey
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Thats still your fusion tho mmmm

vivid bay
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yeah, but i feel like it doesnt count george

wary jungle
vivid bay
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:0

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:000000000000000000000000

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omega what

wary jungle
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lil bitch is using Recover

vivid bay
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i love my lil bitch

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lil bitch win over him

wary jungle
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shit now I'll have to name it that

vivid bay
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you caught it??

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oh wow

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you make me a happy katten

willow jackal
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normal/ghost + wonder guard seems ok 🙂

vivid bay
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ok I just found this randomly on cycling road, nice sprite
happy katten

simple osprey
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Katten

vivid bay
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yes?

simple osprey
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It makes sense people dont see or use your customs often yk

vivid bay
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yeah, i havent made a ton.

simple osprey
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Cause they are made for those certain specific mons that you use

vivid bay
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no?

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i just make these for fun lol

simple osprey
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Ah

vivid bay
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i have also tried to do more for the chart latley

simple osprey
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Imagine not playing huehuehhuehue

vivid bay
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i do play the game tho 👀

wary jungle
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However it was really good at healing me using recover and pain split, lol

mystic vector
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are fusions chimeric organisms? aka 2 sets of dna?

vivid bay
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However it was really good at healing me using recover and pain split, lol
@wary jungle~~ i mean, stall-~~

feral wyvern
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are fusions chimeric organisms? aka 2 sets of dna?
@mystic vector That is an interesting question.
What traits do these normally have?

wary jungle
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Katten stall doesen't usually include healing the opponent XD

vivid bay
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recover

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pain split should die

mystic vector
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@mystic vector That is an interesting question.
What traits do these normally have?
@feral wyvern chimeras do exist in nature they are rare

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but if a fusion can be undone

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thatmeans that the original dna of ech of the helves is still intatc

agile halo
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the ethics behind this game always make me question it

feral wyvern
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I am talking details like, can they reproduce?
If no, then that could be a sign.

mystic vector
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even if the bodies are smooshed toghther

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natural chimeras are the result of 2 embryos ofdiffrente dan creating one being, rare, but it happens and can make babies

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imagine the confusion of a chimeric man getting his chioldren dna tested and comes out negative jute because it was the OTHER dna

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but chimeras of 2 animals of different species do not happen in nature

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unless there's some kind of symbiotic thing

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the portuguese manowar is a weird example

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the big brains still cannot make sense of that

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my guess is that if I was to study the tissue of a fused pokemon I would find cells of of bothe pokemon A and B

feral wyvern
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Yeah, logically.

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Where does the phenotypical difference to a hybrid lie?

agile halo
feral wyvern
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Powermove: find a shiny in a game without them.

agile halo
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imagine if it was ha

feral wyvern
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Scare the devs by showing them a feature they didn't make.

agile halo
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lmao

hidden bison
brave hull
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huh

wary jungle
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looks mildly upset

valid sorrel
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wait a minute that's a gengar/Sceptile fusion

brave hull
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?

fluid karma
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Look at the species name

wary jungle
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cheats!

fluid karma
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What are you talking about?

patent inlet
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sjoba

fluid karma
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Yeah, why would you think he’s cheating or using debug?

patent inlet
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look at the picture

fluid karma
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Just say why

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I don’t see what’s wrong with the picture

patent inlet
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why? why say why?

fluid karma
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Because you’ve given no reason to why you think he’s using debug

patent inlet
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but he isn't cheating

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look sometimes i can be a dumbass

fluid karma
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You deleted your comment saying he was using debug

patent inlet
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yes i did

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i know what i did

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you don't have to say what i did

fluid karma
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If you’re wondering why the image used for the Pokémon is not the actual fusion, it’s because you can name any image file to replace a Pokémon’s sprite in the game

patent inlet
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bcuz i just did it

fluid karma
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What are you even saying?

patent inlet
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he just replaced the sprite of gengar/sceptile fusion with liligant

fluid karma
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Yes

patent inlet
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You deleted your comment saying he was using debug
i was refering to this

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so

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neither of us were correct

fluid karma
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You and SpaceSR were wrong

patent inlet
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so what?

hidden bison
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Im not using debug

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Neither am i cheating

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I just use this sprite for gengar sceptile because i wanna dream

agile halo
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debug just brings you back to last pokemon center you were at right? like the last save at one?

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does it do more than that?

hidden bison
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what would happen if you used a mist stone on an eevee/eevee fusion?

plain bobcat
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Cheats?

eternal pond
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The two eevees I tested on both turned into Vaporeon individually. With a reload and fusing the eevees together, then applying mist stone, I just ended up with 2 vaporeons fused together

hidden bison
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well that's anticlimatic

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thanks for testing it though

eternal pond
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👍

foggy smelt
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Are there any mist stone secrets/Easter eggs at all?

hexed zenith
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Here is my fusion that's in between a Furret and an Obstagoon

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Oops. Wrong chat

fluid karma
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debug just brings you back to last pokemon center you were at right? like the last save at one?
@agile halo You can do pretty much anything with debug

agile halo
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huh

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i didnt know that

fluid karma
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You have to catch every unfused Pokémon to unlock it

agile halo
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huh

round knoll
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The head of a fusion always provieds the first type while the body switches if the head already provided that type right?

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Cant happen the other way around?

foggy smelt
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Yeh, you can end up losing a type that way.

round knoll
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Is corsola rhyperior water ground or water rock?
The Fusion generatorw says water ground, but shouldnt it be water rock?

foggy smelt
patent inlet
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I just use this sprite for gengar sceptile because i wanna dream
knew it

wary jungle
hidden bison
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eh, more like an angry handpuppeteer

wary jungle
feral wyvern
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Somehow, the shape fits.

civic saddle
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the heck is dat

hidden bison
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can you not say heck pleaes

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hecc

willow jackal
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a cool one

slate stream
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He double sideways u

foggy smelt
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ヘック

civic saddle
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フリック

hidden bison
foggy smelt
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It's really weird that moltres has type overwrite for fire, but then ho-oh doesn't.

brave hull
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Cause Lugia doesn't

foggy smelt
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Lugia's signature move is flying. It is arguably more flying than psychic.

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Ho-oh is fire and bird in the same ratio as moltres, imo.

hidden bison
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Aeroblast

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Fire/Flying

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not "bird"

foggy smelt
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Ho-oh most definitely is a bird bitterLOL

hidden bison
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I mean the type

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duh

foggy smelt
proud crane
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no need to nitpick over names of typings, and certainly no need to jump to name calling in defense

foggy smelt
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I didn't mean that as that negative, I just really like that react image bitterLOL

hidden bison
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lol go fuck yourself

craggy basin
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That isn't very nice

foggy smelt
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Indeed

proud crane
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the lol helps to establish a joking tone at least

hidden bison
foggy smelt
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lol in that specific case is very dismissive and rude, actually.

hidden bison
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well what about this?

fluid karma
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Why is there a cursor in the top left?

craggy basin
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Adds to the picture

brave hull
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Imagine arguing about bird type and flying type

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The Bird type is a glitched type of Pokémon, possibly a beta Flying type. It currently does not apply to any natural Pokémon, but does appear in some glitched placeholder Pokémon like Missingno.

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Thanks Google.

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Bird = Beta Flying

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Ergo Bird = Flying

placid ginkgo
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i love the image

feral wyvern
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Not just dense, but compressed.

hidden bison
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compressing makes things denser

feral wyvern
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That reminds me of this joke:
"Oh so you're fandom trash? compacts you"
"Is that a new word for glomping?"

hidden bison
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compacts Ocxin OwO is dis a bulgie wulgie chuve got ? ish it biggy biggy becauwus of mew~? Blushes

feral wyvern
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Bit much...

grave wraith
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...

wary jungle
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may be enough to turn me both lesbian and furry

fluid karma
hidden bison
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ill name my first born daughter Latilia

wary jungle
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idk I just overdosed on cute. in the end I just put her deep in a box.

fluid karma
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Your heart-shaped box

craggy basin
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Hey, wait!

small flax
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Oh no

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O h n o

timber vapor
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Hey if I fuse 2 pokemon but they can evolve do they both seperatley evolve

fluid karma
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Yes, both halves evolve the way they would unfused

harsh seal
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So does rotom have any exceptions to his typing when fused?

foggy smelt
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No, it gives elec or ghost as normal.

willow jackal
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with levitation you can make interesting combination

timber vapor
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That means a pokemon could theoretically evolve 4 times

feral wyvern
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Yes. Really, it's of what I like about this game.

tepid adder
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I'm so Happy this isn't autogenned anymore because Klinklang autogens are some of the worst

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(the one below the hand is Reshiram/Bisharp)

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And Pilowswine/Bisharp is actually Piloswine/Darkrai

ancient ice
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Anyone Have Request’s

brave hull
ancient ice
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Ok thx

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👍🏻

brave hull
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@ancient ice you don't talk in the request area you just react in any request you are willing to part take if they don't want a specific person in mind

ancient ice
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I deleted it already but thanks

brave hull
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You can react like this ✅ to accept one or ❌ to reject if you been selected for a sprite you don't like or aren't capable.

ancient ice
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How do I know it wasn’t already made

brave hull
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Someone won't request for a already made sprite and if they do, it isn't a problem so long someone hasn't made one recently.

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Also if you still have doubts type in the search bar: in: sprite-gallery [Insert Pokemon/Pokemon fusion]

ancient ice
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How do I show the one I pick

brave hull
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React to the request with ✅ if no one has a spriter in mind or to agree in making one. Reason is so people will know that you'll make it.

ancient ice
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Ohhhh

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So like reply to it

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Like that

brave hull
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In spritework when you are doing the sprite you can ping the person who requested it for any fixes. Also yeah.

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Do ❌ to reject. Only if you get targeted for a specific sprite.

ancient ice
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Ok thank you!!

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🤩

brave hull
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No problem

hidden bison
slim sonnet
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oh sorry

fathom root
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Is this not a custom sprite? It's in the "battlers" folder not Custom Battlers but I find it hard to believe it's auto-generated.

brave hull
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There are a couple of autogen that look good. You just have to find any half pixel or any misplacements

rain ocean
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(inverted colors extension if you're wondering why the background is black)

foggy smelt
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This is a surprisingly good autogen, but with a name like that it still deserves better...

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Also technician stab fakeout, stab uproar, and soon technician bullet seed. And only 2 (x2) weaknesses. Seems dece. Overall stats are worse than the reverse (especially much slower), but grass/normal has so many weaknesses...

signal badger
quick totem
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All the generates with that pokémon are trash

rain ocean
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which

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wailord or ferrothorn

foggy smelt
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ferrothorn

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wailord are average, typically.

pseudo anvil
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i got this sprite downloaded so why is it using the generated one?

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the opposite gives this so why is the sprite not being used

stiff sorrel
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could be wrongly named