At lvl 100
#fusions
proud crane
a special attacker with either high Speed or Def, like Gengar or Slowbro
fierce stump
Noice
proud crane
recommend Leech Seed and Sleep Powder/Stun Spore on the defensive choice
fierce stump
Can you send me some folder of custom sprites?
proud crane
game may have already come with those
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1fAVDsX8sn8aRFTPsd6ilWDBsuT0TBQ5q
and here's pack 51 and 52
fierce stump
Can you show me a sprite of venusaur and rypherior?
open osprey
Theres a search feature in discord, which you can use to see if someone submitted one in the #sprite-gallery
raw monolith
CHIEF
fluid karma
robust crater
oh that would explain why there's been a sudden uptick in new users
I didn't realize hoodlum was doing a playthrough
fluid karma
This tweet is from 2018
robust crater
yea that's who I meant
the tweet just reminded me that someone large was doing a playthrough
fluid karma
Why would a play through a few years ago have any connection to more spriters joining now?
robust crater
no no you misunderstand
the tweet reminded me that a large youtuber was doing a playthrough, it was just voltsy and not hoodlum
fluid karma
oh that would explain why there's been a sudden uptick in new users
I didn't realize hoodlum was doing a playthrough
I don’t see how this makes sense then
robust crater
just disregard the second sentence there lol
I knew someone was doing a playthrough, just didn't remember who
feral wyvern
Maybe it's becaus of the german youtuber MythosOfPlaying. XP
...ok probably not.
near scarab
Well that as well as Patterrz not too long ago did a randomiser nuzlocke
fluid karma
I don’t know these people
robust crater
voltsy is alright
raw monolith
i only watch voltsy to see what fan games he plays and if they are any good
tacit glade
anyone mind spamming me with the derpiest fusions in the game, im going for the meme team
hidden bison
raw monolith
yes we get it
timber bane
hey im looking at my randomiezer settings how do i turn starters on
old bough
It should be an option
topaz loom
Mistakes were made
The reverse sprite is awesome, but the stats are utter garbage compared to this one
Guess I'll swap the file names 👀
fluid karma
you could ask for a sprite
topaz loom
changing the file name will do the trick for the moment, + I don't really see how putting Snorlax features on a Leafeon body would end up well
The opposite seems so much more logical and the sprite for it is well made already
tacit glade
@fluid karma I love you, thanks for the derp xD
earnest crypt
@topaz loom you can use this.
topaz loom
Oh wow thx, that smug face is perfect xD
earnest crypt
The mouth was a bit frustrating to do
mental meteor
What're your guys opinions on this fusion? I've had a Nidorina/Mankey for a while now. Just wanted to get some perspective on it.
copper briar
randomizer or?
mental meteor
Oh I just couldn't find a Nidoran Male early on lol
And now this one's pretty high level.
I'll probably replace it, but I just wanted opinions on her XD
copper briar
I'm p sure you can find it on the route left of viridian
mental meteor
Ye I just got lazy XD
frigid locust
@mental meteor Defiently, no. Why? 4x Psychic weakness, also the Nido's are special attacker while Prime is physical. And the Speed of Prime isn't really the best, you want a decent tank with dmg or a speed pokemon that's physical.
frigid locust
Geodude is decent for it.
mental meteor
I did recently catch a machop tho
frigid locust
Machamp with Geodude is good too
mental meteor
Ye I think I'mma do that.
split cove
The Nido's aren't necessarily special attackers
they are played that way in competitive, cause Sheer Force doesn't affect most of their good physical moves
mental meteor
I think I'mma also unfuse my Charmeleon/Wartortle fusion. It worked for its purpose for a while, but I need something better lol
topaz loom
Well yeah but you have Venoshock, it's better than nothing
mental meteor
Yeah the only fusion I really want to keep is my Pikachu/Kadabra
topaz loom
Basically the best special attacker you can get early on haha
mental meteor
The others--Wartortle/Charmeleon (which I adore its looks but kinda sucks), Nidorina/Mankey,
I'm pretty up to change
But I do like my Mr. Mime/Noctowl. I don't think it's the best but it's a fun-looking fusion xD
Uuuuuuh guys someone messed with the fusion calculator <_<"
Nvm I think it's fine
frigid locust
@split cove because sheer force is op
and they learn good tm moves
Thunderbolt, Ice Beam, Eq, etc...
🤷♂️
split cove
yeah. I know. for competitive
frigid locust
competetive is always good
mental meteor
This is my Mr. Mime fusion. He's Fairy/Flying tho
frigid locust
please no
mental meteor
Look sometimes I just like fusions for their funny looks XDD
I'm going to replace him lol
split cove
competitive is good. main reason I didn't quit Pokémon in its entirety. But the game is easy enough you can beat it with the most subpar builds
the AI is even worse than most Uber noobs
mental meteor
Hey I just got a Honedge--what's good to fuse with that?
frigid locust
Doublade with Blisey is good
mental meteor
Yeah I know I need a bit of a team change up lol
I don't have access to any of the Blissey line right now tho. Or at least I haven't found any of it
mental meteor
I have one?
frigid locust
Ok?
mental meteor
I've only found one heart scale lol
frigid locust
Postgame, you can buy them
🤷♂️
What can I fuse Venusaur with? The weak points are fire, ice, fly and psychic... his moveset is just garbage, but I though on a sub attacker as tank... So I guess Steelix is a good option, but are there others? >_>
mental meteor
What do you guys think about Marshstomp/Togekiss?
split cove
Aggron? quite similar to Steelix, of course
frigid locust
It's Grass/Rock then..
but yeah the defensive power is quite good then
@mental meteor Togekiss prefers something fast... -> Alakazam, Gengar, Jolteon, etc..
split cove
oh. right. regular Aggron was Steel/Rock. I'm so used to playing the Mega and that is pure Steel
frigid locust
Same
mental meteor
Lol I just got it in a wonder trade so I was curious
frigid locust
but well it's still good, I mean look at our boy Cradile
or girl
lmao
Thx, @split cove
mental meteor
Sweeeeeeeet my Machop/Geodude has No Guard
mental meteor
Ye ye
mental meteor
lol that’s why it’s brooooken
split cove
either choice scarf or rock polish then. you outspeed and OK everything then
though there might be better mons than Golem
mental meteor
Also I should have access to some Gastly soon so Togepi/Gastly is coming soon lol
split cove
Golem can only learn Fissure, I think, so it wont hit flying
mental meteor
Meh I’m just working with what I have lol
I can always infuse
Unfuse *
Just need some new team members tbh
split cove
thank you for that idea though. I'll go and do something similar once I have access to a No Guard mon
split cove
when do you get Honedge? that's just cooler and can do the same
patent inlet
Mateam
mental meteor
Indeed lol
topaz loom
EETS
patent inlet
eeeeeeeeeeets
patent inlet
yeeeeeeeeeeeeets
frigid locust
Randomzimer?
woven stone
yes
patent inlet
where's the other pilot??
(cause it says pilots)
patent inlet
idfk?
woven stone
@patent inlet maybe it's the name of the horns 😉
patent inlet
oh
ok
charred stirrup
how does aegislash work in fusions in terms of its stats and ability?
quiet oriole
terribly
old bough
Stance change only works on its physical half (glitch)
So basically you can only use aegislash as the head of physical attacking fusions
But at that point doublade with no guard as the body is just better
And if you don’t use stance change I believe it’s even weirder
topaz loom
So the Sp. atk and Sp. Def are always at 50/150, they never go 150/50 ? or is it an average ?
old bough
Well the fusions Special Attack and Special Defense won’t change
It won’t be 50 150 since the stats are changed when fused
Also it might still be 160 in defenses
150 was a nerf in sun and move I think
nova sparrow
basically, if x/y is sp.atk to sp.def, it won't go y/x when the stance changes.
there's your explanation.
charred stirrup
so a fusion with aegislash would have high attack, low defense, low sp.atk and high sp.def?
because only the physical stats swap?
old bough
After the first stance change yes
But it starts in shield mode
So low attack high defense
charred stirrup
but the stance changes before the first attack right?
old bough
Your stance changes to sword mode before you use an attacking move and turns to shield when you use kings shield
charred stirrup
just like it normally does
good to know
you said you can only use aegislash as the head of physical attackers. why not as body and use that high defense value?
old bough
I said you should
Head Pokémon give 2/3 of there special attack and 1/3 of there normal, putting aegislash as body completely waste the high special defense your locked into
charred stirrup
ah that makes sense
so using a high defense body improves the stance change even more?
viral zephyr
I don't know, if it's because of the Honchkrow part of my fusion, but I have Honchkrow (head) and Aegislash (body) as a fusion and it works really well and hits hard
old bough
I don’t believe so, I’m pretty sure it’s calculated weirdly and it’s some sort of multiplier
Sure higher defense means you lol have higher defense that’s good
But like I don’t think it will buff your attack when you switch stances
@viral zephyr do you use stance change as the ability?
viral zephyr
No, it has Moxie
old bough
Yeah aegislash with our stance change is even weird I believe
I think someone said it provides 100 base stat in each stat that way
Could you send us picture of your Pokémon stats so maybe I could tell
charred stirrup
but wouldnt be honchkrow body and aegislash head even better, since honchkrow has an insanely high attack?
old bough
I don’t think honchkrow has insanely high attack
viral zephyr
old bough
Higher than I though
viral zephyr
And it seems Moxie doesn't really work. I just noticed that I did not get an Atk buff after a kill 🤔
old bough
I just have to calculate level real quick
To smogon
This is with 31 ivs but not evs
You see your special defense is completely off
charred stirrup
so is his attack isnt it?
viral zephyr
I'm currently trying to catch Kyogre, so I can't go to the machine to check the IVs right now.
old bough
That’s fine I don’t think your able to check evs anyways
charred stirrup
so i guess this is a thing for aegislash that the stats are weird? i mean his sp.def is way too low and therefore his attack is much higher compared to the calculated stats
old bough
I’d actually like those Iv’s when your able to find them out
And if his stats are different by then
someone with debugger could just figure all this stuff out in a second
By doing 0 iv 0 evs aegislash fusion
Actually anyone with debugger want to help figure this out?
pallid ore
i posted screenshots of aegislash fusions once without any ev iv, maybe ill find them
what do you need exactly
iv maxed unfortunately
viral zephyr
Okay, now I can check. Where was this machine again?
old bough
I don’t need it now but thanks
viral zephyr
Since I am already there:
HP = 25
Attack = 3
Defense = 22
Special Attack = 3
Special Defense = 7
Speed = 20
old bough
Fused base stats vs non fused
@pallid ore if you could do a favor for me could you fuse one with mew as head, once with stance change as ability once without
Or anyone with debugger
pallid ore
hm one sec, they have different hp values for some reason wtf
old bough
That might be because of stance change
pallid ore
oh it had 200 ev left from the pkmn i transformed it from
old bough
Oh yeah I’d fix that
frigid locust
@old bough why tf you've lvl Aeglish, thought you're on nugget bridge?
old bough
I fixed my game but I care more about figuring out aegislash more than the fact that I don’t have one In my game
viral zephyr
Aegishlash is hella weird.
And I only wanted to create a Dark/Ghost fusion 
old bough
I think I’ve figured it out I’ll post all my notes later
charred stirrup
I'm curious
viral zephyr
Same here
old bough
I’m almost done
Just righting down conclusion stuff
Aegislash base stats
Not fused
60
50
150
50
150
60
Self fused
59 -1
110 +60
150 0
49 -1
35 -115
45 -15
With mew as head
What it should be
86
66
133
83
116
73
What it actually is
86
106 +40
133
83
78 -38
63 -10
2/3 of 60 is 40 (Hp)
1/3 of 115 is 38 (Special Defense)
2/3 of 15 is 10 (Speed)
When Aegislash is fused with a Pokémon it’s base stats are
Hp 59
Atk 110
Def 150
SpAtk 49
SpDef 35
Spd 45
Bst 450 (-70 from original)
You can replace his stats in your fusion calculator with theses
Notes: Aegislash’s fusions stats seem to be a ALMOST copy of Doublades
Doublades stats
59
110
150
45 -4
49 +14
35 -10
448
I did not check any calculations after the stance has been change by it’s ability however according to Ruchunteur#6203 only attack and defense change.
Other people’s bugs that have been found with aegislash
And done
You guys like reading?
viral zephyr
Hell yeah
charred stirrup
so basically when being fused, a noticable amount of sp.def gets shifted into attack
charred stirrup
i read everything
viral zephyr
When fused, it basically "reverts" back into Doublade
old bough
Slightly off but yeah
charred stirrup
which is why the stats are weird
old bough
I think No Guard is better than Stance change so yeah don’t evolve your Doublades
@hidden bison @proud crane sorry to bother you but if you could I think you should probably pin the above message, it explains all the issues and bugs when fusing with aegislash
viral zephyr
"so yeah don’t evolve your Doublades"
Should've known that way before I used the Dusk Stone on my Murkrow-Doublade fusion
old bough
I mean the does honchrow learn hurricane because I think that’d be the only benefit to no guard
viral zephyr
Well... As far as I know, nope.
old bough
So thinking about it only evolve your doublade if you use all 100% accuracy moves and would like to boost your attack slightly when in sword mode
mental meteor
I got a Shieldon Delibird in a Wonder Trade XDD
sage spear
Has anyone got a copy of the community sprites that they may have downloaded before the drive went down
?
pallid ore
sage spear
Ah thank you, I was trying the faq link
mental meteor
Who's a good fusion with Charizard or Squirtle? I have them fused right now but I don't think it's really working out lol
*Charmeleon or Wartortle
old bough
Uhh
You can trade for a Yanma later and Charizard/Yanmega with speed boost is pretty good
frigid locust
Charizard and Squirtle is good >_>
old bough
Also which one has their Hidden Ability?
mental meteor
Well they're Wartortle/Charmeleon right now
old bough
Which one did you get from trade
mental meteor
Charmeleon
I think its ability was the one where you lose health in sunny weather but get more attack?
old bough
Solar power
mental meteor
Yeah I don't like that one that much
charred stirrup
i am planning on fusing charizard with HA vulnona for drought charizard
old bough
Vulnona?
charred stirrup
ninetales
pallid ore
ninetails
old bough
Oh what language is that
charred stirrup
german sorry 😄
old bough
It’s fine just wondering
pallid ore
one of the rare cases where the german name sounds much better
charred stirrup
yeah for some odd reason vulpix is the same
split cove
yeah. less generic
charred stirrup
still not sure where and when in saffron city i get the items for HAs
old bough
Well there’s the double ability ninetails glitch
I don’t know what causes it, why or how but sometimes fusion with Pokémon with Drought or Drizzle act like the have it when they have another ability
So maybe try saving your game and then using a normal ninetails and seeing if it activates drought even without the ability
charred stirrup
is it just ninetails or vulpix too?
split cove
solar power and drought on the same mon would be op
old bough
Don’t know
viral zephyr
I noticed it only when my fused pokémon evolved to a fused ninetails
old bough
So maybe just ninetails then
proud crane
I don't think I've seen it happen with Vulpix, but I have with enemy ninetails fusions
old bough
I’ve wanted to try it with a Chlorophyll Venasuar and Ninetails
viral zephyr
And this glitch kinda hurts my Parasect fusion.
Well, quite literally hurts it
viral zephyr
I know
split cove
nice :D
old bough
Just making sure
viral zephyr
Having a Bug/Rock with Dry Skin is such a nice ace against water types.
As long as I don't use it after I switched in Ninetails 😅
old bough
It apparently works for Politoad too
charred stirrup
nah i dont want to use glitches
old bough
It’s a suggestion for a bug that hasn’t been patch since who knows how long it was found
You don’t have to do it
charred stirrup
people told me there are items for HAs in saffron city. where do i buy them?
old bough
Don’t know
proud crane
The Ability Ball is for sale behind the gym. Caught Pokémon gain their hidden ability
old bough
How much does one cost?
quiet oriole
it exists D:
charred stirrup
so i have to clear silph co first?
proud crane
yes. money is cheap, the cost isn't notable
tacit glade
Dusclops/Rhyhorn Which one is better. the 2nd looks kinda blurry if you dont click on it
frigid locust
Where is the ball?
fluid karma
what ball?
fluid karma
you were the one asking, so what ball are you talking about?
frigid locust
The Ability Ball is for sale behind the gym. Caught Pokémon gain their hidden ability
hidden bison
charred stirrup
i need help. i want to fuse my machamp but the fusion doesnt get its "no guard", its always guts...
old bough
Machamp has to be the head
charred stirrup
is there no way to have a machamp body with no guard?
charred stirrup
but machamp/golem looks worse and has worse stats if i swap them 😦
i want to flip my table right now
old bough
Tragic
pallid ore
At least youll get 100% Hit Stone Edge and dynamic Punch with stab
charred stirrup
for the cost of my bleeding eyes everytime i have to see Malem instead of Gochamp 😄
pallid ore
Even the stats are better imo
Is there no custom for Malem?
topaz loom
Most sprites with Machamp as the head look pretty tragic haha
charred stirrup
better stats? in my case i lose 18 attack and 11 speed for 12 defense and 2 HP...
topaz loom
The speed loss is sad, but having No Guard means you can use Monkey Paw for 100% crit chance
And miss half of the time
pallid ore
It Looks much better on the Fusion calc
That doesnt work
The higher defenses are pretty important for a slow pkmn as this
charred stirrup
i dont know where to look for and how to use custom sprites tbh
pallid ore
Download sprites, Put them in custom battlers, done
charred stirrup
i guess the two numbrs for each image are the dex numbers?
pallid ore
Yes
charred stirrup
cant i just "rename" the 2 images of malem and gochamp and swap those?
pallid ore
Yes
topaz loom
I guess 👀
My Machamp/Dragonite with Dynamic Punch, Dragon Rush, Iron Tail and Dragon Dance was ready 👀
charred stirrup
wait it doesnt work?!?
old bough
Yeah
charred stirrup
then i just lost a bunch of levels for nothing
pallid ore
no guard version is still better
old bough
I mean mankeys paw or no guard are still very usable
pallid ore
and there are dna reversers wat
topaz loom
I mean, No Guard is stll insane, but not utterly broken
pallid ore
even the Malem custom sprite looks better (but im probably the only one who thinks that)
topaz loom
Gochamp looks like a chad ; Malem looks like Danny DeVito on a very bad day
pallid ore
machamp head looks much better, stat wise at least + it has no guard stone edge and dynamic punch
old bough
It’s worse stat wise but it’s definitely the better Pokémon
pallid ore
with that low of a speed you want high defenses or youll die
topaz loom
You gain so much Def, I think it's better that way
charred stirrup
well i wanted to create a hitmonchan/doublade fusion with no guard, mankey paw and a few STAB prio attacks like bullet punch
charred stirrup
it is a game meant to be fun 😄
charred stirrup
do no guard OHKO moves work?
old bough
Nope
pallid ore
everything that is broken right now is because you cant really change the originial pkmn like blissey/chansey
old bough
Drizzle thunder or hurricane mankeys paw
topaz loom
Yeah but you get walled by Ground types
charred stirrup
drizzle thunder mankey paw works?
topaz loom
Because it bypasses accuracy completely
old bough
Same for hurricane
charred stirrup
i dont see the difference to no guard, doesnt it bypass accuracy too?
topaz loom
Well it's supposed to do that, but it's a different check compared to moves that inherently can't miss
old bough
Because no guard was specifically made so it doesn’t work with mankeys paw
charred stirrup
can i change that in the gamefiles by myself? 😄
charred stirrup
but arent there aóther broken things possible with shedinja?
or are they disabled too?
pallid ore
wonderguard limits you to 1 hp
thats it
there isnt much except for typing (and i guess boost moves) to abuse shedinja
old bough
Steel type shedninja with endeavor in a sandstorm is pretty strong
charred stirrup
ghost dark type shedinja fusion should also be nearly unkillable
pallid ore
steel/bug and dark/ghost have the best options
old bough
Eh there’s probably something stronger than just setting up
charred stirrup
right now i am very sad that my no guard mankeys paw plan doesnt work. and i lost so many levels due to unfusing...
i dont know what to do with my hitmonchan and doublade right now
topaz loom
Well, Hitmonchan can fuse with any phys attacker for good coverage with elemental fists, and Drain punch
Not the strongest thing there is but decent at least
charred stirrup
is there a way to catch scyther/scizor outside from safari zone? i am thinking about a fusion with hitmonchan/scizor for high attack, coverage and prio attacks
shell raft
Marowak/Doublade or Marowak/Aegislash which one more cool ?
novel hollow
couldnt but recognise ure metal head and the bone+metal pairing ur suggesting lol
topaz loom
Marowak would fit perfectly as the drummer of a metal band
shell raft
it did swhow error window when i was choosing between no guard and lightning rod as ability for my cubone / blade fusion :
topaz loom
Try installing the 4.5.9 patch, should fix it
novel hollow
have u installed the latest patch?
feral wyvern
Scyther can also be obtained in Celadon City at the casino.
topaz loom
Even tho the full install version is also called "4.5.9", you still need to patch afterwards
charred stirrup
oh no not the casino 😄
topaz loom
Np you just buy some chips for a few pokedollars
feral wyvern
There is a website that gives you the optimal plays for Voltorb Switch.
charred stirrup
"optimal" yeah that often ends in 50:50s
feral wyvern
Nope, never more than 25% chance for a bust.
At least I don't think I've seen higher.
topaz loom
It's just too long and boring, and I'm telling that after smashing rocks for 4 hours long
feral wyvern
If it's too long you can look for a slot machine with a high win rate.
shell raft
i fugure out some fusion not worth to evolve i like Ivysour/duskull but not Venusaur dusclops
topaz loom
Yeah, some fusions just look horrible cause they don't have custom sprites
feral wyvern
And it is our duty to draw em' all!
charred stirrup
slot machines have different winrates?
shell raft
i am makeing cutes hall of fame team
topaz loom
All 122 xxx of them !
feral wyvern
In the main games they do, not sure about here.
tacit glade
slot machines change each time theyre opened
feral wyvern
Finally an adventure worth having;
an adventure of a lifetime!
tacit glade
I just refresh until I get two rows with 2 7's in em
topaz loom
I don't know if there's a way to farm money (beside smashing rocks for nuggets, I'm done smashing rocks for the rest of my life), but you can buy that Scyther for 80.000 pokedollars
So it's not that bad
feral wyvern
Or play a little.
Getting 500 coins isn't too hard.
topaz loom
500, sure but getting 4000 for Tbolt, then 4000 for Ice beam, then 4000 for Flamethrower, then another xxxx if you want some pokes from the exchange npc...
Maybe if you get a very good slot machine like this one :
charred stirrup
yeah i just realized zapdos doesnt learn tbolt by default like wtf?
feral wyvern
Does it learn Thunder or Zap Cannon?
charred stirrup
thunder
feral wyvern
Ah.
charred stirrup
both worse than tbolt 😄
steep karma
what a fat tail
nova sparrow
lorg
old bough
I want to see nine tails furret
feral wyvern
Now that'd eb sawft.
old bough
Ninetails tails are usually huge
feral wyvern
Imagine cuddling a Furtails.
copper briar
ive been trying to find a good starter pokemon to use in a fusion but its pretty difficult tbh
none of them seem to do that well
topaz loom
Well, they all have pretty balanced stats already, so fusing them with something else will only balance it further, in most cases you'll end with a mixed attacker that is somewhat tanky but nothing great
copper briar
venusaur and fearow dont seem like a bad pick tbh
topaz loom
Early on it's decent I guess, but the lack of a strong Grass move is problematic
swift jungle
thats hella cute
frigid locust
Yep
hidden bison
torpid garden
Cheating i guess
shell raft
do you know if its body of togekiss head of foretress or other way around ?
old bough
It’s stats are better the way it is
shell raft
nature is alway from body right ?
topaz loom
This is Fairy/Steel
shell raft
and ability you choose from those poke who fombine
topaz loom
With basic DNA Splicers yeah, but with Super Splicers you can choose the nature you want from the two
topaz loom
Any good fusion to go with Spore+False Swipe Parasect ?
fluid karma
Why would you have false swipe?
pallid ore
snorlax/parasect
fluid karma
I suppose a very defensive Pokémon that could last a lot of turns being attacked
primal olive
topaz loom
omg that's 100% nightmare
pallid ore
it has that move that blocks pkmn from fleeing (was it block?) and yawn in case spore doenst work
topaz loom
I see, not bad indeed
fluid karma
When would spore not work?
topaz loom
I was thinking about Murkrow for prankster and mean look
old bough
Why would spore not work but yawn does
old bough
I mean I’d only use one or the other
fluid karma
How many grass legends are there?
pallid ore
and you get one additional turn of sleep potentially in case you were faster right?
or how does that work
1 probably
old bough
That’s not how it works
You yawn, at the end of next turn after they attack they go to sleep
topaz loom
Is there a roost move tutor btw ?
fluid karma
I think it’s a tm
topaz loom
Even better then
marble charm
Guys traded fused pokemons sometimes hatch clones if bred with Ditto, and sometimes no. You can try reverse them and retry hatch but it's a bit random
topaz loom
Yup, it's kinda random
marble charm
From wondertrade XD
Wondertrade that suddendly i can do infinite times, without having paid the 200k ticket
fluid karma
Now you have 2 Kyogres
nova sparrow
2 very jpegged kyogres, rip
fluid karma
what are you talking about
frigid locust
nature is alway from body right ?
@shell raft Nature: Body
Ability: Body first, Head second.
shell raft
yea nature from body and ability you are chooseing from dobined pokes
frigid locust
If you unfuse head nature is random
shell raft
didnt try but i think it goes back what poked had before fuseing
frigid locust
Body nature is the same, but head is always random after unfusing.
shell raft
how to fish ? i need to press space bat or it will auto . .1
frigid locust
Press space when it says something bites
hidden bison
old bough
warm basin
Hey guys, havent played infinite fusion in awhile. And I wondering if there anymore triple fusion besides Zek, Kyo, Zap,Pald and Enr
frigid locust
Only the three Legendary trios of Gen 1-5 @warm basin
topaz loom
pastel drift
Does self-fusion actually do anything or is it just for the funsies?
feral wyvern
I can feel this image.
copper briar
some self fusions become megas
haughty jay
yeah but dont changes stats
topaz loom
Some self fusions can remove one of their types
Can't really say if it's bad or not tho
frigid locust
What's the Fusion, Sam?
hidden bison
Anyone experienced in breeding in fusion? like baby-salamences from salamence breeding with dratini wont get dragon dance though dratini has dragon dance
frigid locust
Unfuse for egg move breeding.
hidden bison
they are not fused
yesterday my lavitar had a 1/2 quote for dragon dance as egg move from totodile as parent
unfortunately i did only two trys with the salamence breeding yesterday, so i try it right now again
frigid locust
DD is in gen m5 moveset from salamance?
hidden bison
from breeding with the dragonite-line, yes (source bulbapedia)
maybe cause its attackslots are full. it has 6 "lvl 1" moves
so there ist no other space
as my experience i breeding on the original games tell, baby salamence should get twister an dragon dance from my dratini father, because both are egg moves for salamence (or bagon, if you take the original baby)
so i assume, it wont work, because all 4 salamence lvl 1 slots are already occupied
frigid locust
It should be replaced then
hidden bison
yes it should. but it does not. no twister and no DD for baby sala
5/5 times no dd and twister
hidden bison
thx. unfortunately i used my incubator already ^^"
frigid locust
What's Salamance and Dratini dex number?
steep karma
oof
frigid locust
yep no dd @hidden bison
hidden bison
maybe someone might test it for other mons which get 4 (ore more) lvl 1 skills
but thank u for testing it too! maybe it ist a bug
so no aegislash/sala with DD for me but sword dance isnt that bad either... _D
old bough
It might be because they are their fully evolved forms when hatch
hidden bison
but i got a tutwig/lavitar with dd and seed bomb which is nice 😄
both egg moves worked there (except lavitar needed a 2. try for dd as well as i told already)
frigid locust
Tutwig?
hidden bison
turtwig
old bough
Larvitar isn’t a fully evolved Pokémon tho
hidden bison
and hasnt 4 lvl 1 moves
topaz loom
Yeah I think it probably has to do with salamence not being the first in evolution line
hidden bison
now i need to choose between steel/flying aegi/mence with sword dance and fire/dragon charizard/dragonite with dd as boost up... dammit lol
frigid locust
Why?
old bough
Aegislash should be the body
frigid locust
Aegi is Aegislash... and what is Mence?
old bough
Salemence
topaz loom
Speedboost is kinda sexy but that would be a Special set, not phys
hidden bison
i like the looks of the sprites, scott 😄
frigid locust
Why special? Speed boost 🤷♂️ @topaz loom
frigid locust
Charizard succ in physical
hidden bison
hello stone edge
topaz loom
Well Charizard+Yanmega has low Atk stat compared to Sp.Atk
frigid locust
except X
old bough
And that’s why I loved charizard X
frigid locust
hidden bison
i hate 4x weaknesses 😄
old bough
Just switch out
hidden bison
i do, it is just my mental problem, that i dont like 4x damage. no need for runs beside nuzlocke
ingame it is no real problem
frigid locust
You're doing nuzelock?
hidden bison
not this run
frigid locust
Nuzelocks are fun, though
hidden bison
sometimes if rngesus loves me 😄
frigid locust
I played a Nuzelock with Butterfree, though
hidden bison
noice
topaz loom
Nuzlocke would be pretty insane with fusions
topaz loom
Nah I'm too weak mentally
topaz loom
I can only appreciate a nuzlocke when done with a randomizer
And when the game deletes my pokes automatically
topaz loom
Well if the game doesn't force me I'm just gonna stop the nuzlocke challenge and continue with my dead pokemons lmao
frigid locust
lmao
hidden bison
hahaha lol
frigid locust
I think I'll do a nuzelock one day, though
topaz loom
And a nuzlocke without randomizer is very boring to me, always the same shitty pokemon and same trainers etc
You just have to play safe and overlevel a bit, and it's done
With a randomizer you might might fight against legendaries, people using Counter, Mirror coat and Destiny Bond (heck, even Fissure, Guillotine etc if they're over your level)
Way more spicy 
hidden bison
yes, random trainers are more challeging sometimes. but everytime the elite 4 got easier
feral wyvern
One could argue that a tactical game with very exact enemies
can be quite interesting, as there is a masterplan just waiting to be created.
topaz loom
Sure you can make very interesting fights with the right AI but that would require so much work
shut lily
Jesus is Jesus
topaz loom
Just slap a randomizer on anything and the sheer madness of some sets you'll come across will make you sweat
shut lily
🤤
hidden bison
all random, random stat range 999 and here we go
shut lily
I love randomizers
feral wyvern
How about randomized Fire Emblem?
(MAybe we should switch channels?)
old bough
Can anyone see if the drizzle/drought glitch works with kyogre
frigid locust
Wym with glitch?
frigid locust
How?
old bough
Sometimes fusions with Ninetails also activate drought when sent into battle even if the don’t have the ability
old bough
With kyogre?
old bough
So what does your Zapdos fusion have static or what ever it’s ability is
old bough
Yeah I want to know if kyogre works the same way
frigid locust
Ninetails do
old bough
that if you don’t have drizzle it will still cause rain
Kyogre doesn’t have it as it’s hidden ability so it might be different
frigid locust
Poliwoed fine?
old bough
I think politoad works since it should be the same as Ninetails but I haven’t seen anyone specifically confirm it
If kyogre works with the double ability glitch there’s a new highest damage special attacker
old bough
If so make a kyogre/Fearow with sniper and see if drizzle activated when entering battle
frigid locust
doesn't matter who's head right?
old bough
Do kyogre head
old bough
Are you able to test poli?
I think it’s just because it’s not kyogres hidden ability
Which is sad
Kyogre/Fearow with drizzle and sniper with mankeys paw can could use hurricane for the highest special attackers damage
120 base special attack
frigid locust
But isn't working
old bough
That’s why I said could
frigid locust
Probaly you can build a rain team with Kyogre
old bough
It doesn’t work sadly
frigid locust
what's Poli dex number?
old bough
186
His special attack is still really low so it’s no record breaker
But I’d still be glad to find out
old bough
If politoad can do the double ability glitch
frigid locust
Poli or Fearrow head?
frigid locust
So Poli order doesn't matter?
frigid locust
Only Vulpix works
old bough
So only vulpix and Ninetails work?
frigid locust
Yes.
I don't know if it's work without rain, because I never readed... but I know it'll change to sun if rain is out.
old bough
Tragic double ability rain stuff would of been very interesting
topaz loom
As if rain wasn't already OP as it is
old bough
I mean double ability rain would of made max special damage go up just slightly
topaz loom
Well, using a move 6 times in a row usually takes... 6 turns 😂
topaz loom
Nah, it gives +1 Spd/Sp.Atk/Sp.Def each time
Shell Smash only needs 3 uses as it gives +2 in Spd and offenses
topaz loom
But with +3 in Sp.Atk as a Kyogre fusion, you should be able to OHKO everything anyway lmao
It's OP enough as it is xD
old bough
I mean there’s always exceptions but the kyogre Zapdos fusion should just about one shot everything
topaz loom
True, but you can be outsped
old bough
Okay I just ask frog man and crits are 2x
topaz loom
Ok so Frost Breath is literally OP
topaz loom
Yeah, JUST 120 BP
old bough
Those are meek number to me
topaz loom
lmao
old bough
Kyogre/Zapdos Thunder 120 base power x 2 crit x 1.5 stab never miss
360 base power move
Frost breath isn’t reaching that
topaz loom
Well, most fight you don't care about Ground types poke so I guess the Mankeys Paw + Thunder strat is OP
BUT
frigid locust
yep
old bough
And for one turn set up Pokémon there’s Slowking/Porygon Z with adaptability. Trump card 250 base power, 2x crit, 2x shell smash, 2x stab/adaptability
topaz loom
Shell Smash Kingdra/Cloyster with Frost Breath stab is also really sexy
old bough
2000 base power with one turn set up
topaz loom
WTF
old bough
Yeah but that’s the highest one turn set up special attacker
frigid locust
Scott Smeargle is a joke as sub for physical attacker, btw.
old bough
And for physical Pokémon
What was it
Give me a sec to search through my brain
I think it’s
Machamp/Azumarill for both one turn set up and no set up
topaz loom
Huge Power > all
old bough
One turn set up you use belly drum. Viral throw 70 base power, 2x huge power, 2x crit, 6x belly drum
old bough
1680
old bough
That’s three turns of set up
topaz loom
Smeargle+Murkrow = endless possibilites
old bough
And multiple Pokémon
frigid locust
but no -50% life for Sweeper
topaz loom
Well apparently some people datamined the game and.. you can have up to SIX pokemons in your team !
pallid ore
wouldnt something else without mankey paw be more damage? just because mankey paw always crits doesnt mean other stuff cant crit
technically thats higher damage
old bough
Yeah but I could easily come up with stronger things just by using baton pass
topaz loom
You might as well use the 6 of them
old bough
Also Stanley I’m talking 100% accuracy and if you want to count crits you must have 100% crits
It’s my own little criteria
frigid locust
I mean... I had my fun with Smeargle Belly Drum + Ursaring, lmao
topaz loom
Well, in the official games the highest dmg possible is Shukle + Ice Ball on a lv 1 Noibat
old bough
I could just do double tail glow focus whatever use it on a Pokémon with explode hope for a crit also given the enemy Pokémon -6 special defense
It’s not that fun that way
I want to know how hard I can hit something with minimal variables and minimal set up
topaz loom
Yeah but that's not fun
pallid ore
i like to come up with the same, but usually jsut for pkmn that are actually usable
this seems like fun as well though
old bough
I also don’t really like dark void
I got a darkria when I was younger in black and white and I’m basically fed up with ever using that move again
old bough
I literally only used dark void because it’s so broken
At one point I made a triple battle team with darkia with two dittos
So I could have 3 darkrias
topaz loom
It's a shame Cottonee isn't in game
topaz loom
Whimsicott is probably my favorite Grass poke
The Cottonee FEAR-like strat is so laughable
frigid locust
Whimsicott 🤤
old bough
Aron shell bell fear(ish) is also very funny
@pallid ore
Kyogre/Zapdos
120 base power thunder, x2 crit, x1.5 stab
Or maybe just the trump card without shell smash
But the kyorge/Zapdos is probably better over all
You might as well use an explosion Pokémon over trump card
Because atleast you can revive it to attack again while the trump card becomes useless
I’m also not counting explosion in the highest special attack with or without set up
pallid ore
isnt explosion physical anyways
topaz loom
Yup it is
pallid ore
i guess i just misunderstood something in scotts post then
topaz loom
It also ignores half of the opponent's defense stat
So it's effectively a 500 base power move
pallid ore
light ball doesnt work, but its supposed to since.. forever i guess
i think it's actually slightly stronger then
the porygon/pikachu
old bough
But what you can do if lightning ball did work is a little secret Pokémon I call Silvers Pikachu
It’s a pikachu you get from I think a tv in a house
It’s really weird
But it for moves it has surf, fly, sketch, and sketch
Surf and fly don’t matter
But what does it 2 sketches
Tail glow and trump card
Tail glow is the highest raising set up move
And trump card is the highest damage special move
Plus lightning ball
However you also want a normal type Pokémon as a head with a decent ability
Because stab
pallid ore
porygon again lol
old bough
Yeah but it doesn’t have a good head ability
frigid locust
Explosion is fun, though
pallid ore
download if it rolls the correct one
depending on your setup, but it was a mew right? so 50/50
which you could count as either x1,5 or 1,25 depending if you want to normalize
old bough
This might sound odd but bidoof might be a better head then Porygon
topaz loom
LMAO
old bough
I don’t know if that’s better than the raw stats from Porygon Z
pallid ore
hard to tell without math, too lazy for that
topaz loom
If you have 31 IVs and 252 EVS in Sp. Atk, then bidoof is better I think
pallid ore
true
old bough
And pikachu might not be worth lightball since your still using trump card
Trump card can’t miss if you didn’t know
So mankeys paw is the same since I only count crits if it’s 100% chance
Also if we use smeargle as a body with trump card we only need a good ability since it provides stab
Sniper, adaptability, simple, ect
pallid ore
i mean, i would count crits as "always possible", but in your case true
topaz loom
You're better off using Explosion+LifeOrb
old bough
That’s physical attackers
pallid ore
whats your setup again scott? blank mew?
topaz loom
Ah yeah we're talking about special moves here
pallid ore
31iv?
old bough
I think so
It doesn’t matter if all Pokémon you calculate use the same new
New
...
pallid ore
252+ SpA Kyogre Thunder vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mew: 211-249
252+ SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Mewtwo Hyper Beam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mew: 588-694
(if i didnt make any mistakes)
crits obviously not included
old bough
You forgot crit on kyorge
pallid ore
yes
old bough
And you also need to make it an electric type
pallid ore
it is
pallid ore
yes body
old bough
Did you do percent of kyorge and damage for Mewtwo
Ohhhhh
What gen are you using
Crits were nerfed in later generations
I thin
Think
topaz loom
Yup
old bough
Hmm I guess it’s because it doesn’t have an ability
pallid ore
the ability is a damage increase technically
topaz loom
And you also have to wait one turn after Hyper Beam anyway, whereas Thunder can be spammed
pallid ore
if you normalize the hits and misses without rain from thunder
sure but scotts looking for just damage afaik
topaz loom
"if you normalize the hits and misses without rain from thunder" wdym ?
pallid ore
not sure if normalize is the correct word
but instead of calculating the damage done when hit you could add the miss% into the calculation
and calculate the median damage
looks up google translate again because he doesnt know if median is the correct word again
topaz loom
but "scotts looking for just damage afaik"
pallid ore
that was just a response to the "it loses because it doesnt have an ability"
technically if you would calculate like that drizzle would be a damage increase
because it reduces miss chance
anyway, its irrelevant
old bough
Thunder can’t miss in the rain
topaz loom
Well yeah you could probably get rid of drizzle and miss half of the time but that wouldn't be reliable enough then
old bough
Technically you can use two thunders every hyper beam
But yeah i don’t like missing so drizzle must stay
That’s also with correct crit
old bough
It says swift but it has 250 base power
pallid ore
well are you looking just for max damage or also applicability in combat?
old bough
Trump card isn’t actually in the calculator
Eh I think I’ll rule out recharge moves just like I did with explosion
pallid ore
but trump card is fine?
topaz loom
Trump Card is literally worse than Explosion kek
pallid ore
394-464 thats the damage with psystrike on the same mewtwo/porygon
so with a "consistent" move it looses slightly
old bough
Okay now that doesn’t sound right
pallid ore
?
old bough
Oh wait nvm that’s damage not percent
pallid ore
yes
old bough
I thought you were saying psystrike was stronger than the trump card for a second
pallid ore
nah
pallid ore
oh yeah i guess i could have said that its slightly weaker than the kyogre
it still one shots kyogre zapdos though and is faster 
old bough
Damn if only double ability kyorge existed
steep karma
i recommend this as HM Slave, (abra/krabby, it has evolved to alakazam/kingler) also i need a custom sprite for it lol
it can hold every HM, you just gotta replace some
whenever you need them
old bough
For custom sprites ask in #spriting-discussion
steep karma
mhm
old bough
Otherwise that’s pretty cool
pallid ore
fortunately it learns teleport instead
pallid ore
there isnt yeah
feral shard
I love it. Whoever designed this, you have my thanks 😄
open osprey
oh yeah, that whole set was fun to design