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Time to use three tyrunts for the free for all clearly
My Elusive Dex entry #1385851873344618546
POKENAME is thought to have once been able to fly and swim very fast. However, its shell has grown much larger and heavier over time, weighing POKENAME down and making it much slower.
I'd recommend submitting a #1052360360172199977 for that one, I think it has at least two or three things they fix that I can see from a five-second glance
it was already done 😉
You did it? I can't keep up with that chat with work sadly
https://discord.com/channels/302153478556352513/1385761416031768657
like 8 hours ago lol
So basically when I was leaving for work 
I hate work ugh
youre home now so you can do dex reviews 
I'm on the bus now. Still have to feed and walk the dogs, shower, eat, AND I have to be up by 10a (almost twelve hours from now) to get ready and work 8hrs tomorrow. And somehow sleep in there
Ewwww
Do it 
I think it's time to pay my respects to the Big Three of IF for that free space (Blissey, Regigigas, and Slaking)
See the problem with that faq is that it means I can't treat it as something like mega kangaskhan which is technically two Pokémon in one. The same goes to the hypothetical fusion I made. It's technically one Pokémon and yet there are two on the same species. I was talking about specifically the bond between them as I couldn't come up with anything else that would fit into it. If this faq didn't exist, then it wouldn't be a problem, but that wasn't the world we live in. So I was struggling to find anymore inspiration of what the dex entry would be like at the end result.
one of the main issues i see with the dex entry is because it talks about the two components of the fusion, rather than that pokemon species. if you could show an image of the sprite you are making an entry for, i'd be happy to try and help you reword it to stay within guidlines while keeping the original spirit 
Feedback is also a lot easier if we can see the sprite as well. That way we can talk about how to make the concept work with the rules based on what we can see
FAQ 5 allows you to talk about both parts of a fusion.
Otherwise Exeggcute and Kangaskhan would be way too hard
LETS GO FREE SPACE
I hate that my dumbass wants to win when I’m struggling at entries
I mean, a thing is labeled as a competition, so the brain tends to want to win those.
True
Give it your all and you'll do great!
This one seems much easier. And I could do it based on my child (chikorita)
Also an excuse to do Mimi entries!!!
How many (poke) children do you have? 
Uh
I just use children to refer to creatures I really love
So probably a lot by that metric
I know. Should have included 
Starting to comb through the dex grid!
Just looking for ones that inspire me!
You also have the huge amount of freedom on this one where starter/level up/free can all overlap so you could literally just do all Chikorita if you wanted.
Except I guess the Luvdisc and Ho-oh would require others in the line...
I usually try to do a different 'mon in every spot that I can (so like column 1 only using Bisharp once) but that's not always possible.
It just helps me keep the entries fresher
Fair
Like I just found a second Bidoof fusion that I really like.
I do not know how to go about writing bidoof
Do you have a sprite in mind?
Chikorita bidoof
Posting my current Pride2 DexDoku plan to help avoid doubling up!
Woah that ho oh is throwing up
This one?
Something about cutting trees to help smaller plants get sunlight?
Ooooo good idea
I did the one with bigger eyes cause that one scares me but yes
Just seeing a strange bidoof made brain go blank of ideas
Maybe it chews through thick brambles?
Ty for the help
To create paths for itself and other Pokemon, as well as allowing smaller plants to get more light?
Or makes dams from brambles?
Although you could probably only fit one of those in the entry
Ooooh that works better
Dexdoku
POKENAME does its best to help take care of plants. It trims spare branches so that shorter plants can receive more sunlight.
Idk if that’s worded well
The wording is a little messy but the idea is great
Maybe something more specific like "It chews down small trees to give shorter plants a better chance"
(Oh wait chance is still vague...)
uhh...
OH! "It chews down small trees so that shorter plants can receive more sunlight."
I hate that I’m messing up this early lol. Cant even blame it being too early in the day
That's the drafting process though
Post it! And let us know if you need ideas
Dexdoku
POKENAME loves creating dams so much it will help others construct theirs. This habit has led to POKENAME receiving lots of gifts from Pokémon it has helped.
That one looked too baby, I couldn’t resist
Could prob reduce to one sentence so you can say more: "POKENAME loves creating dams so much it will help others construct theirs."
True true
Then you have room for another sentence!
Feedback?
I feel like I’m late to my own party right now sorry I was gone for a while lmao. Thanks and I’m glad you enjoyed my entries I’ll definitely join in for the next one 
@jagged ledge I’ll pm you for the sprite I want when I think of something lmao
Happy to have you! Thanks for enjoying my event and congrats once more! 
No worries, there's still time!
Feedback? Hello!
Sprite by Calicorn
Blastoise (Head) + Rampardos (Body)
POKENAME, an ancestor of the modern day Blastoise, was built perfectly to defend itself. The cannons on its back fires mud so that it could then ram into opponents blinded by the mud.
I like the idea of prehistoric ancestors of pokemon like Garchomp or the starters
Hey, first time poking my head in here, but I've been meaning to contribute to the dex entries for a while now and I'm doing a randomized run where one of my earliest party members was a Slugma/Bidoof fusion. Idk how best to phrase it or format it, but do you guys think a good theme for the dex entries for this line might be them using water to cool lava flows into rock dams?
this sprite?
Yep but like a through line for the evolutionary line. Like rn it's already evolved into Slugma/Bibarel
i think that is definitely an interesting idea to go down 
just remember if you write entries to keep them standalone!
there can be a theme across the dex entries, but don't refer back to previous entries, or make mention of future entries
Thanks for the heads up! Here's sorta what I'm thinking
Slugdoof - Young POKENAME frequently get frustrated when their attempts to build things end with the materials melting, igniting, or breaking. To avoid embarrassment they pretend they weren't really trying. Immature and proud, they compete with each other to see who can build the biggest structures.
Slugbarel - POKENAME are well adapted to living in areas of extreme heat, having evolved a special organ to store cool water inside. This organ both helps to keep them hydrated by making sure their internal heat doesn't boil it, and allows them to use the water to defend themselves.
Magbarel - Living in volcanic regions, POKENAME are master architects, skilled at using water to cool lava flows to make homes for themselves and dams to control lava flows and keep them from devastating the local ecosystems. It is unclear if they do this to protect other pokemon, or simply to make sure there's fresh berries near their homes
Why are reacts so wild. Someone said they’re sick and they’re pregnant man reacts
https://discord.com/channels/302153478556352513/1386140373180747786
Thanks again @terse tide We will be doing DictionDexes again this coming Friday (during that time feel free to do the other ones)
Woooooo!
That’s a cute creature
I need to sleep but I need yalls assistance (if I may) with an entry
I feel like I ask for help too much istg
I know I wanna say smth about it being a protector and it’s dual swords but idk
I’ll submit the rest later idk if I got some of them in the wrong order lmao I’m very tired
If you want just disapprove them and I’ll reupload them all later as I’m pretty sure the sprites don’t match the descriptions
For the latest Elusive Dex:
POKENAME are said to have tumbled from the stars in search of a place to weave their strange spells. They enjoy teasing travellers with disorienting lights before vanishing into the shadows.
Ewww it ain't that deep
I don’t know which ones I submitted lol I did them at midnight and I’m not sure what I submitted lmao
I already fixed the names you goober
I like how @sonic tusk says nothing and casually drops like 20-30 entries in a single sitting every few days
theyre always bangers too
Through its mind-reading abilities, POKENAME knows exactly what flavors its Trainer likes and dislikes. Anytime its Trainer is hungry, POKENAME will let them eat some of its sugary fur.
btw, this is disgusting and I love it
Aw, thanks. I'm just off those people that just observes the chat without saying much
. Also, I'm only 11 entries away from getting the wild list under 1600
.
YESSSSSSS
ill do that rq after I finish judging
@ripe lotus Please be sure to look through the rules before submitting future entries
<@&1210701164426039366> hey I put in a counter for the wild tab
That's awesome! I'll return to the wild list after drafting for dexdoku
Cool! It better still not be under 1500 by the time I check it!
WOO
, I hit 1550 entries left before the end of the night, don't think I've done that many entries in one sitting before. Anyways I off to bed.
Way to go!
Just over halfway through the Pride 2 DexDoku. Taking a break and will continue later!
Why are Bidoof and Bisharp in the same square?
They are "Bi-"
Also @hexed fog just you wait I'm cooking up 150 tyrunt dexes, I'm just waiting till I'm done to submit them in mass 
OMG LMFAO THE STRETCH
Hey it was Wild's pick lol
I just work here
Shush grandpa leave the bis alone
Actually grandpa can you help me with an entry
I only have vague ideas, not fully sure how to go about it
what do you need
Remaining entries: 1533
aw hell yeah
we are BEASTING this
POKENAME controls its blades with internal tendrils like a seasoned samurai. At dawn, it slices kelp along the seafloor to feed nearby Pokémon.
I am just good at bullshitting
What rule did I exactly break?
you get to a certain point in writing when you just blag your way through everything 
I managed to get really high marks in a uni debate by just making stuff up but sounding convincing 
it’s an important writing skill
Ah so me just. Desperately trying and not bsing is failing me, got it. /hj
This is literally my first attempts at making entries and I decided to try for fusions I was using. So any direction to know what I was doing wrong would be nice instead of just saying "Do this" and vanishing
ok, so i've had a look on the dex sheet and i can tell you the things that got your entry auto denied.
- You submitted your server name
Queen Neptunia~instead of your discord namequeenneptunia - Some of the dex numbers given are the national dex number. When submitting a dex entry you must use the infinite fusion dex number. you can find each 'mons dex number on https://www.fusiondex.org/
- at least 1 fusion has no custom sprite (Bellossom/Lickilicky), so cannot have a dex entry attached to it
if you could send a message here with the image of the sprite you are writing for and it's entry, i can help you grammar/spell check, and help improve it if need be 
My entries were for Joltik/Roselia, Galvantula/Roselia, Flareon/Granbull and then Mamoswine/Klink and Klang
I just woke up sorry I was taking a nap 😦 I wrote the incorrect things on the sheet when I @'d you
I am away from my computer atm. i will screen shot when I get to my computer
They already told me
all but one of the sprites are not in thegame
I got the number system wrong got it
~~tbf i'm not an unown, so my words come with a grain of salt
~~
~~i can easily get things wrong, i ain't involved in the process
~~
Please also remember to be kind to eachother lol it's a pokemon discord
it aint that serious
hope i didn't come off as mean, if i did it wasn't intentional 
Ain’t trying to be rude
If you are confused on how to locate a file name or what username to write please be sure to review the submission form that you utilized 🙂
If you just say “You’re wrong” and then dip, what am I supposed to take from that
I said I get it.
to be fair, I did not do that. I said to please be sure to read our rules, documented what was incorrect on your entries and napped... over 7 hours after I tagged you
I was sleeping
and thats fine
but please do not say I 'dipped' lol
I just didnt respond within an hour of you msging me
Whatever, I ain’t taking part in this anyway.
That's completely up to you
Remaining entries: 1498
GET ITTTTTTTTTTTTT
You guys are KILLING it this weekend
well done 😄
it's crazy that we are making so much headway so quickly 🙂
Got any neat ones that are missing custom entries? I'm writing some up for my concepts rn and would love to help out ^^
Check this tab
These are the ones we need the most on
Thaaank ye, lemme take a look-see
Anywhere on the wild list REALLY not sparking creativity for anyone? I could poke around there as soon as I finish Ho-oh/Victreebel
For me, Pyukumuku is one, for me personally. I keep forgetting the little guy's a thing. 
For 489.285
This childlike Pokémon has a tendency for knocking on doors at night to ask for treats. Citizens of Lavender Town have taken to leaving small pouches of candy out on their front steps, lest they get tricked by the spirit instead...
Saw the little green thing next to it and it reads to me as a bag of candy, so I tried to go off of that.
POKENAME is said to be a wandering spirit that are drawn to large gatherings of costumed people and pumpkin patches.
I'm not sure what else to put here, anyone else got any ideas? Maybe something playful sounding?
I'll take a look at those bc I enjoy trying to figure out how to make "it pukes out its guts by choice" with others.
Yeah, it's a bit of an odd one, but I really should try at least one myself.
Would be nice to make sure I have at least one entry pertaining to every Pokemon somewhere, even the tricky ones. 🤔
How about something simple like "It loves to join spooky festivities, adoring the thrill of a good scare." ?
That works, thanks ^^
Pride 2 DexDoku drafts completed! Posting here for any and all feedback whenever! Thanks!
literally half of my entries are just 'generic water habitat' or 'uses its innards' for him
Is it okay if I can come up with custom entries for my concepts before they're sprited? I know I can't submit them, but can I post them in, say, the concept art thread they're in?
You can draft but you cannot submit an entry unless the sprite is in the game.
That's my goal! Currently at Meganium (did Bayleef in DexDoku).
And just look to have fun with it:
Pyukumuku/Banette (Pyukunette) #370.357 (sprite by remoraid45)
POKENAME climbs aboard cruise ships to stalk whoever threw it overboard. It torments them throughout their trip with the aid of vomiting out its controllable innards, whether grabbing their feet at night or stealing food they were reaching for.
@buoyant current remember to use your discord username when putting in entries
jfc pumpkaboo...
how many times can we use 'pumpkins' 'gourds' or 'lights'
Main: As POKENAME evolves, it gifts its treasured feather to younger, featherless Whismin, a gesture that marks its maturity. Having also grown in power, its voice now carries across vast distances, rattling anything in its path.
Alt: POKENAME’s body swells with evolution, but it still proudly wears its beloved headgear. Its voice carries across vast distances when it sings, though the force often threatens to knock its beloved 'not-a-hat' loose.
That's why I generally avoid doing a bunch of the same 'mon at once. It feels less stale then.
feedback on these?
I would say wild ones gift their treasured feather
"not-a-hat" feels awkward? Maybe helmet?
yeah I'd go ahead and call it a helmet or helm
these are so frikkin cute lol
btw popout on the ear
not the biggest deal though
Dang, well it's already on the gallery now 😓
I got it now
Then don't worry about it
Like honestly its not big enough of an error to lose sleep over
Mhm
Oh a trainer's isn't going to give away if there's Noone to give it too
Yeye fs
Why does my phone capitalize Noone
Wtf
Like chill that's such an aggressive Noone. Like I know its no one but chill android
Ohh right right
Yeah I'm a bit slow
Nah
Slow isn't coming up with interesting dex ideas
Youre not slow these are adorable
1456 wild entries
Are yall excited?
That number definitely is going to shoot up as more wild sprites are added eotm
ohmygod that is alot actually
had to check the wild list jsus
When POKENAME's telepathic power is unable to work due to not being able to rest enough, it releases a foul stench from its antenna to drive away its predators. It can also be used to drive away those who intend to steal its food.
Decided to snatch a Pokemon fusion from the wild list this time around 
featuring what my friend said jfc dude you didnt need to call it that 
The fundamental dilemma of having a mon thats literally a mullosk and thus must have a shell and a mon thats whole thing is it broke out of its shell...
I have no clue what to write for this one that wouldn't be weird or break the sprite lol
I like it
Which one?
Cloyster/Core
While flying through the night sky at high speeds, POKENAME closes its shell. This protects its sensitive eyes from debris, though it must fly blind.
You are amazing lol Thank you
Guys I'm new so I just send a picture of a fusion that doesn't have a dex entry right?
You use the Google form found in the dex entry submissions channel.
If you want feedback first, post it here w a picture of the sprite (and preferably which Pokemon make the fusion)
Ok
don't forget to read the FAQ before submission 
👍🏻
Fusion:SentretCharmander=Senmander
Is it a Sentret? Is it a Charmander? No- it's Senmander! Don't be afraid- he won't bite.
Hope you guys will like it.
cute writing! Unfortunately this doesn't fit the dex entry rules - most obviously dex tone and using the name of the fusion instead of POKENAME. however, you have an interesting concept that could be expanded upon at the end there: "he won't bite". you could write an entry along the lines of:
POKENAME are often kept as pets by young or aspiring trainers. Despite their sharp teeth, they are very friendly and will never bite their trainer. this is ofc just a suggestion of what kind of thing to write, you don't need to take my words or even the ideas. But in general, a dex entry needs to be more informative about how a specific pokemon acts - and not talk directly to the reader. hope this helps, and feel free to ping me if you want any other help 
I'm sorry. Won't do it again 🫡
don’t apologise! you’re new, it’s natural to make mistakes 
if you are looking for more examples of how a dex entry is structured, you can look at the dex entries on the google spreadsheet in #dex-entries-submissions 
Would anyone be willing to write 2 custom dex entries for my new sprites?
I finished spriting a couple of mond and I have concepts for what I'd like mentioned in their dex entry, but dont really want to mess with character counts, efficient sentence structure, etc
I forgot to ask : are they already included in the game? 😮
I believe qe can't submit entries for alts that don't have a number yet, but we could make a dex entry and wait until it gets in the game
I thought they added the feature where you can upload the dex entry alongside the sprite entry,
Oh possibly
That why in the sprite gallery you dex entries alongside alongside sprites from time to time. I think it qas a couple of months ago
Then send the sprites away
Cool! Thank you
Swirlix/Forretress
Slurpuff/Forretress
Im not sure about the swirlix one.
But for Slurpuff I wanted to include these features:
- Its got a hard candy like shell that tastes delicious.
- it cant help but continually taste/lick its own shell, which polishes it and keeps it very smooth and spherical.
- fervently defends its tasty shell from others.
- the cherry on top is actually some type of bomb that it can explode to achieve a sort of mutually-assured-destruction with the mindset of "if i cant taste my delicious shell. No one can"
Its way too much and I dont know how to shorten it, combine it, and include it all in a cohesive way.
The Swirlix one is free game. I guess its the prevo. So you can take inspiration from the slurpuff fusion for it
Thank you
Slurpuff/Forretress
"POKENAME constantly licks its delicious candy-like shell, which keeps it smooth and pristine. It greedily hoards its sweet flavor, to the point of detonating the explosive cherry on its top if others don't leave it be."
How's that sound?
Wow. You just came up with that off-the-cuff!?!?
Haha, yeah, pretty much!
Incredible. Do we have enough characters available to include that it's candy shell is hard and tough.
Its a high def pokemon. So including that seems fun
POKENAME constantly licks its delicious and incredibly hard candy-like shell, which keeps it smooth and pristine. It greedily hoards its sweet flavor, to the point of detonating the explosive cherry on its top if others don't leave it be.
Looks like I'm able to just fit in a point about it being incredibly hard too, and it still seems to fit. 
You are amazing!!!
If youre feeling up to it, you can have total freedom on the swirlix fusion
Thank you again!
This is my first time using this channel. And I'm not sure if @narrow cosmos and @little gulch are just incredible and have spoiled me. But im totally coming back here for dex entries in the future. You guys over here rock
POKENAME's shell is covered with a layer of candy floss that's very sticky to the touch. Anything that gets the floss stuck to it will get cleaned of candy by its tongue, as POKENAME adores the sweet taste of its own candy.
This one's a bit simplistic, but here's what I got for Swirlix/Forretress up there.
May I ask what the pros over here in this community prefer for these types of requests?
Do you prefer when a spriter attatches concepts, like I did. Or do you prefer having free-reign?
I can go either way, honestly, but for me it was a bit easier to configure something since you already had a concept going on. I basically just formatted things a bit based on your concept.
This is awesome!
I love the idea of things getting stuck to it. Like a wet lollypop thag got dropped in the dirt
Yeah, or in my mind I was picturing someone petting it, getting their hand all sticky until it licks all the cotton candy off. 
I love it! Thats great!!!
Maybe the "get cleaned of candy" sounds a bit confusing though? What do you think
I love this thought process. I like the idea of it starting off just fervently licking those things which touch it just so it can taste itself. Thats hilarious
This is good to know. I have a handful of other sprites (already in game) that dont have dex entries. But i have some vague concepts for a few of them. Maybe I can throw them into this channel sometime
How about this?
POKENAME can be found walking near houses looking for a trainer to play with. Its cuddly behavior makes it an amazing pet.
I did think it was a little off-sounding, I often have trouble explaining things while keeping it within text limits, maybe this works better?
POKENAME's shell is covered with a layer of sticky candy floss. Anything that touches it will get the candy stuck to them, whereupon POKENAME will fervently lick the sticky part clean, as it adores the flavor of its own candy.
Literally perfect!
Youre an angel @narrow cosmos
Thank you so much!
Im going to post the sprites to the gallery later today and I'll include your amazing dex entries!
You killed these! Thank you again
i've been out, so i'll have a look over now, but i will say it looks tons better already 
Quick question (possibly for a mod)
I was rereading the spriter-announcement that allowed us to include dex entries.
There has to be a way for me to credit @narrow cosmos for creating these Dex entries.
If, on my Gallery post I write something like
DEX ENTRY BY @narrow cosmos: POKENAME constantly licks its delicious and incredibly hard candy-like shell, which keeps it smooth and pristine. It greedily hoards its sweet flavor, to the point of detonating the explosive cherry on its top if others don't leave it be.
Would this allow me to give the credit for the dex entry to them?
Right
And there's no exception for sprites that haven't been added in yet, right? They have to be in the game first?
the first sentence looks good to me, and while i think that the second sentence does work as is, i think it could be improved. for example: Its playful and loving nature makes it a good first partner pokemon. thats just a suggestion tho
nope, only other way to get dex entries in is including it with a submitted sprite in the gallery
Should I tag a mod for this question?
not a mod, but maybe an unown
<@&1210701164426039366>
For when you guys get here, maybe you can help him out
Ill try to get this sorted out.
Sorry, I should have reread this post before asking for help with the dex entry 
i mean worst case they have a dex draft for when it's added to the game 
No worries, we've had weirder issues in this channel.
At least you're in the right channel zone and not a newbie who somehow thinks this is the channel to go "Put this Pokeymanz in the game right now!"

Im pretty sure the newer users think that is every channel.
Yell it loud
Yell it at the mods!
Yell it at the spriters!
Yell it at the dex-writers!
I hath been summoned
Hi
Hello!
We summoned you in response to this
Ah I see
@narrow cosmos wrote some great dex entries for my sprites that im.about to dump in the gallery
I'd like to credit them
Thanks for coming to help btw
So from what I know of the gallery process, the Sprite Pack reads who uploaded the Sprite. I assume it's the same with Dex Entries. Because we can't add Dex Entries until the Sprites are in the game, the entry in the gallery is likely to be imported through the same system, though I can't say for certain.
Hmmm. But in gallery posts you can provide credit to other spriters for providing the base of (example) your Charizard body
Im not sure if that relates at all
Yes, but Dex Entry Credits are still very new and sadly aren't as much of a priority yet. 
My advice for now would be to have @narrow cosmos submit the entry and we can mark it as "No Sprite Yet" then update it when the Sprite is added to the game
There could be a way to change credits in a gallery entry, but I'll need to speak with the tech people more in that regard
So dont include it in my gallery post then?
Ill post the sprite in the gallery snd they can submit the dex seperately?
Am I understanding that correctly
At least for now, most likely.
Im in no rush. So I can stay saddled for a bit while you speak with tech, if that would be better
Sure thing, thank you for your patience and understanding
Also just thank you for crediting the author in general lol
Yeah, thanks for being so eager to credit me, it's honorable of you. 
I get it. If you put a piece of your creative-self out there, its nice to be credited for it
I also do DnD character art and I've seen a character or 2 of mine pop up on reddit before with no credit. Feels bad man
Yeah, it is nice. It's why I enjoyed seeing my stuff in-game or now that the IF For Dummies site now has a way to look for stuff I've done specifically, it's nice to see.
Dex entries being so niche means it's unlikely anyone's really going to pay attention to them, but hey, if someone plays the game, sees one of mine and it gets a nice little chuckle or something out of 'em, that's awesome.
I always read dex entries of the pokemon I use/fuse/catch. I get esspecially excited when I see its a custom one. I sometimes find myself going back to them and rereading them just for fun
I genuinely think we're slowly but surely gaining momentum for writing credits. Frog liked my idea of green species names in the Pokedex for 'mon with Custom Entries 
Im not familiar with IF for dummies. I'll check it out
That's awesome to hear, thank you! 
Yay!
I love that the written dex entries are highlighted in a different color than the auto-gen ones
Oh hey, I remember suggesting that a while back too, glad to hear it's being considered for implementation. 
Infinite Fusion for dummies
For quick reference. 
I think the sprite gives players a visual for the pokemon, while the dex entry helps players imagine how the mon behaves and interacts with the things around them. It really brings them to life
That's why we tend to prioritize fusions that can naturally be found in the wild, to add that extra world building of what most people can easily find. Also why I try to enjoy writing for starters as well lol
@jagged ledge
I have to hop off for now and do some DnD prep work for my upcoming session. Just ping me with any updates
Thanks again
(On that same note. I've been playing a soft-nuzlocke. And i enjoy doing my own "finish-the-line" for fusions I ended up with. (My fusions are randomized in the sense that i follow rules to determine what gets fused)
That why I ended up spriting swirlix/slurpuff + Forretress
i should probably do that over making random entries for mons no-one will ever see 
The fusions are determined by pretty standard IF nuzlocke rules. So I figure that if end up with them, there's a strong liklihood others will too. And its nice to know that completing the lines means I may be creating sprites that pop up for others doing a similar nuzlocke
something that would be amazing to see is one of those yt channels that look at cool fusions looking at dex entries as well 
i always forget how in game credit works now that i think about it 
We're still discussing how to establish dex credits, but there have been discussions at least. 
Closer than we were last month, I'll say that
wait, does that mean there's no credit in game atm 
Also DnD is always fun 
i genuinely havent played the game in like a year 
Sadly not yet.

But we have all the data saved for credits, so once they're implemented, every credit will be visible at once.
that's good at least
Wouldn't it be easier if, on the pokemons menu (where you have 1 page for stats. 1 for a dex entry. 1 for other sprite options. Etc) that there was 1 last extra page titled something like "extended credits". The credit for any and and all spriters gets thrown in there (maybe even including any credited bases) and the dex author could be thrown in there too
Eh, the issue is that it would also have to change the sprite select system crediting
That way it doesn't get in the way with character limits on the dex page
just realised i have like 5 entries i need to submit 
Aaah yeah
And it's a third page people likely wouldn't scroll to as opposed to being visible when viewing the entry when catching the Pokémon
Not the best idea. I admit. I guess I'm not sure what issues there are with the credits. I figured it was related to character-limits on the dex page. I thought this could get around that problem.
But yeah. I definitely dont know much at all about this topic, lol
No worries, any idea is appreciated, just helping clear up a few things.
You're all good lol 👍
Thanks again for everything @jagged ledge
I do have to hop off now. This session won't write itself.
Just ping me when there's an update regarding this dex entry situation and whether or not I need to include anything specefic in my gallery post
i've just noticed a duplicate entry that got approved, i don't remember submitting twice but i must've
I'm currently on mobile, but I'll keep note of that. 👍
i just realised my notes aren't up to date and i just submitted some out of date entries 
if i submit another entry, will it auto override my old, or do y'all need to change it?
Ok so first and foremost, the Dex entry harvesting from sprite gallery was intended only to streamline the process of a sprinter posting the accompanying Dex entry for their own sprite, as many spriters included the entry with the sprite so they'd be able to find it easily to submit once the sprite was in PIF. Currently that is ~2 months later, and a lot can happen and people regularly forget, so this was to cut down on Dex entries that are written and submitted getting missed. It was never intended to accommodate anyone posting someone else's Dex entry on their post.
Since there is no other method to submit a sprite to the game, there's no other option but to include collaboration details in the gallery post. This is not the case for a Dex entry, so using the sprite gallery post in any way other than the intended use (submitting your own Dex entry for that exact sprite), you're not using it properly. The entry can always be submitted the normal way, which doesn't involve the gallery, so that should be how it is submitted (by the person that wrote it if they want the credit).
It may have changed, but I recall (when I joined the server) that collaboration credits on a gallery post had to be added manually to the data for the sprite during the sprite pack cleanup. That's a manual process for the Sprite Managers. Even if they do NOT have to do this portion manually any longer, that would be the only way the mismatched Dex entry data would be properly compiled before the sprite pack itself is released, and I do NOT want to add anything else to the Sprite Manager's lists for them to do manually unless it is actually required.
That being said, once the sprite is added to PIF, the Dex entry will show up on our end in the document we maintain, but it won't have any of the details changed so it will show the author as the person that posted in the gallery. Just like I don't want to add tedious manual steps for Sprite Managers, I also do not expect an Unown to go through every entry and confirm it wasn't credited elsewhere on a random gallery post from 2+ months ago. That's simply not practical.
Finally, keep in mind that Dex entries submitted by the sprites for their own sprite get prioritized. I've offered my entry ideas to spriters before for them to submit as their own so that the entry is prioritized accordingly (assuming they like the entry and want to use it).
Feel free to add anything else you'd like @jagged ledge
Tbf you can always just ask us to change credits for things after theyre added
But only then
I mean if the Spriter is directly saying they want the credit to go to SK, who wrote the entry as they requested, I say the most efficient option might as well be to have SK submit the entry now, mark it as "No Sprite Yet" then update with the Sprite Packs later
Which would be in two months so makes the gallery post but moot, but yes it's an option
Yes. That was ultimately the point of my post, that's the intended way entries should be submitted, although I also don't want to encourage a slew of "No Sprite Yet" posts, so I'd prefer they be submitted once the sprite is released.
^ i think it got buried under ziggaway's message, idr how this works
cause i accidently submitted a couple old drafts
I meant to respond, apologies: nothing in the sheet we manage is automated other than highlighting and formatting, no
So you'd want to post the duplicates here so we can ensure the right ones get marked Not Approved
We can typically do it anyway but I'd encourage being proactive 
awesome, i thought it'd be something like that
let me grab the final versions (it was a couple of my dexdoku entries lol)
In my opinion, as long as we regulate/filter things (Only allowing it for writer/spriter collabs/requested entries), I would rather have us go through the "No Sprite Yet" once Sprite Packs are distributed than have authors hold onto it with no indication when to submit properly.
Except that the expectation for when to submit an entry has always been for sprites that are actually in the game, this gallery automation doesn't change that at all.
If we want to make exceptions to the "only for sprites in the game" rule, we can, but that can create more confusion, not less, since that would be an exception.
these are the entries that should be rejected (numbers: 500.184, 369.133, 498.337)
No Sprite Yet posts are only for actual mistakes
hope that's a useful format 
I agree with Ziggaway. Yall cant keep up with my own entries why are you adding more work for yourselves lol
just bully more people into being unowns and use the extra work force to only manage your entries 
Lmao
Well the issue here was a Spriter asking a writer. It's not opening the floodgates to the gallery, it was an isolated incident. So would we not allow Spriters to get help writing Dex Entries until their Sprites are in the Game?
i'm a genius, what can i say 
I mean you've been pretty helpful in reviews 

Spriters can get help whenever they want but again, the gallery automation wasn't intended for anything other than the spriters themselves submitting an entry for the sprite they submit to the gallery.
If the spriter and the author want to collab for the Dex entry, they should have the same requirements as any other person writing Dex entries (I think)
well well well, if it isnt the consequences of my actions 
I didn't realize zipping some quick entries out for someone who asked would wind up causing such headaches.

||Also I wouldn't advise this, we really want quality over quantity for reviewing and Approving Dex entries
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i just had a thought, do y'all have any unowns in GMT? cause i don't think i've noticed many at times when i've been (trying) to help 
It's just that in my mind, the entry is more likely to get in the game with a "No Sprite Yet" run that we would likely do anyway than the author holding onto it for two months. 
||true, it is funny to imagine someone who's dedicated to the izik pile tho||
It doesn't, it's circumnavigating the current process that creates issues. That's typically where most issues arise
If I didn't have an in-person job I could, working from home makes it much easier to review stuff like that 
Well apparently there's issues in the current process anyway, so the results of this discussion regardless of outcome might be delayed. 
As I said, we CAN make an exception for this specific scenario, but it does add to the Unown workload, and it also sets a precedent for any future instances where a spriter wants help writing entries. That's actually more common than many realize. So that would probably create quite a bit more of this particular exception. (That's why I said earlier I wouldn't recommend opening the floodgates.)
i'm mostly WFH atm, but i may be transitioning to swim coaching while i build my game studio 
You want to make a poll in the Union chat and see what the consensus would be @jagged ledge ?
@ebon warren thank you for the detailed response. When I asked for help in this channel my thought i definitely didn't have a good grasp on why the gallery-dex-entry feature was implemented. I I only remember that IT WAS implemented a few months back. And I thought "huh. Im struggling with this. Why dont I ask for help from the great users who write tons of entries and then just credit them in the gallery post"
It wasn't till after the dex descriptions were written and I was prepping to submit my sprites to the gallery that went back to the old announcement and found out there would be an issue.
I will definitely know better for next time
tbf i keep considering it, i just have no confidence i'd do a good job 
and "i'm not an unown, take it with a grain of salt" is a pretty good defence 
I mean I'm already on staff and I have no confidence in myself 
It's still being ironed out, and honestly like WHRF said Dex entries as a whole are very new and manual, so confusion is expected. I'm just glad you asked.
We don't want to discourage anyone writing Dex entries, but also PIF is entirely volunteer-driven, and I've seen enough burnout that I don't want to lose good people because we added too much to their pile
As for the resolution. I've heard three options now. What is the preferred method.
(1) Include it in my gallery post and update credits AFTER its been added to the game
(2) do not include it in my gallery post, and have the author upload it as a "no sprite yet" entry
(3) dont include it in the gallery and the author adds it 2 months from now in the standard process
genius argument there 
maybe once i hit 100 entries 
The last thing I want to do is cause burnout and extra work for all the volunteers here.
As you said. No posts have been made yet. So we still have time to take the best possible action
Should I be worried if I get help with my entries??
Not at all. I still get help with my entries
Okay just had to make sure I got worried for a minute
getting help with writing is part of the process of writing
no-one is perfect without drafts and pre-readers
just remember the old ernest hemmingway quote: The first draft of anything is shit.
I've never seen anyone abbreviate my username lmao 
Its kinda catchy. Ijs
i just gotta say, to whoever made this sprite bro i wish you have the greatest meals of your life. im about to write crazy on this sprite

So what are we thinking in regards to this
-edit: sorry. I missed the message where you guys said you would take a union poll on the topic. My bad. Take your time
Izik is efficient enough at both writing and reviewing entries that I haven't reviewed any that weren't his in months 
that's one way to ensure everyone has to work on the izik pile for sure 
his efficiency scares me 
Even the most accomplished authors and writers have editors, often paid but always someone else. There's really no reason NOT to get help honestly.
(For reference, I'm an editor in some book series written by two friends of mine. They've published almost a dozen successful books at this point but they still have a whole team of volunteer editors they conscript before each book is published.)
Oh sorry I didn't want to ping and it's just too many characters to type it all out 
No worries lol. I tend to see most people just say Wild. It just amused me is all lol
Ok so for this specific scenario, since it's already done on both halves (sprite and Dex entry) and we don't want either to be delayed or neglected, you can go ahead and submit your sprite to the gallery but leave out the entry.
As for @narrow cosmos you can go ahead and submit the Dex entry ASAP (even though the sprite is not in PIF for at least two months or so from now) and we will mark it as "No Sprite Yet" and review that label with each sprite pack (as we normally do anyway) to ensure any that sprites have been added have their entries updated.
Let me or @jagged ledge know if you have questions 
Shouldn't be too hard to do, I just need to dig up what my final versions of the two dexes were, and find out what the number combination of the two fusions are, and I'll submit 'em. 
that sounds like a really cool thing to be a part of 
that reminds me, I need to do more work on my book 
Alright, should be done, just submitted 'em. 
Now to go do some dex entries that don't cause a cataclysmic chain reaction in the workload of the Unowns. 
GOD
Honestly its been fun doing dex entries rly
Also a good way to destress in between work shifts 
It's just a process thing, these two entries won't create an apocalypse but breaking the process could 
Joke's on you, until the credits are in the game, that'll be EVERY entry! 
Wait before you have a chance to make a witty comeback about stopping, please keep writing more entries, we'll be fine lol
Im curious as to where yall put the credits, I havent been playing for weeks due to work kicking my ass 
Too late, this Tyrogue/Seel entry is now dead. 
-# i say this as i played it yesterday shshshhdd
We're also curious lol
Nooooooo! 
Because Im more of a concept artist if anything 
Least on paper, I am
I just sketch a bunch of fusions and never showcase em wHEEZE
Right now the answer is... a Dex Submissions Sheet and an unofficial website.
We're working on credits being added to the game formally.
Thank you for diligently handling this and providing clear instructions.
Im cooking dinner right now. But I should add these 2 sprites to the gallery here in a bit.
Thank you
SHSHSH ITS FINE tyt!!
Because good god the way the work pc had to load that entire sheet 
||In a very special place
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It's funny, I've been scrolling through my entries via the IF for dummies site since it's pretty fairly up to date on everything in the sheet (if not in-game), and I'm seeing old entries that I don't even remember making. 
Good way to look over old works and see annoying mistakes or the occasional point where a sprite got removed so my entry needs to be fixed.
Found that out with a Magcargo/Machamp fusion that needed to be deleted. 
Im just filling for the missing gardefusion dex entries tbh 
If you see mistakes feel free to point those out in #custom-dex-errors and we can fix them
Leave those here (type out the file numbers for us please) and we can remove them too
FRICK shouldnt have opened the fusion dex sheet on mobile it crashed hARDDDD 
(If entries aren't yet added to the game just post them here, the errors thread is for stuff already in PIF just FYI)
I did point out one or two to Izik in the channel a few days back.
The big one is Magcargo/Machoke (219.67), whose main sprite is now a Ben 10 reference and neither of its current available sprites really pertain to what I must have been referring to when making the entry. And I'd rather lose an entry than let it sit on a totally unfitting sprite, personally. 
@hexed fog are you at your computer? (I'm mobile currently
)
Okay. I added the sprites to the gallery
Sorry about putting you all through this. Thabk you again to everyone involved. And once again a big thank you to @narrow cosmos for writing the dex entries
No worries. And hey, feel free to see if anybody wants to take a whack at sprites you made that are already in-game, artists have popped in before to ask for that sort of stuff.
I certainly will
i am here
whats up
oh god how much do i need to read through
oh god
wait didnt we just do that?
kk thats denied
msg me if you need other stuff I am trying to focus down more minior sprites
Whoa what happened in the channel
Never hurts to make sure, thanks for that. Don't think there's anything else at the moment, I think there was one with a minor grammar issue but I've lost it. So you're safe for now. 
Some real situation going on and my timezone makes me not know it lmao
Oh man me going to the site and then seeing older entries/entries I forgot I wrote and going "wow idk about that/ah damn that one actually already had an entry" and go

Hindsight's a hell of a thing. 
I strongly encourage making an entry that you're inspired to make even if it already has one because the more the merrier. It doesn't detract from the game and can only add to it in the best ways (once Approved)
oh it's fine lol nothing is bad
dex slakoth/miniorcore
ugh wrong channel
Its also nice to have expanded lore for a specific fusion if a specific mix has more entries tbh
No worries. Glad we could get it all worked out for ya!
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Ah, we got a bot!
<@&306953740651462656> If anybody's available to blast a scam out of here.
-# ah forgot to delete that
Thanks friends
god i tabbed back to here and the gif caught me so offguard jsus
cuz my boss passed behind me 
Aggcross #333.214 by jorm.94
POKENAME is near indestructible, and can survive a collision with a semi-truck. It achieves this by flattening itself out to maximize its armor coverage. It feeds on natural sweets such as nectar and tree sap.
https://discord.com/channels/302153478556352513/1386879798231568415
Thanks again @rugged socket for doing the DictionDex
nothing wrong with the concept on this one
I like
The Izik pile has risen over 1000
Oh no
You madman, cease this insanity! 
My dream (not really) of being the most prolific IF dex man is forever dashed! 
remember once the wild mons are done my entries are going tapir off quickly
Ah, but we keep getting wild sprites updates, your work will never truly end either. 
I'll do it!
thats all you
Tapir off quickly?
That's literally what my brain did HAHA
OMG
I just didn't say it
I did 
I need to go to bed
Goodnight lol
I have dnd tomorrow so my contributions, if any, will be very very light. you <@&1210701164426039366> have a chance to catch up on The Pile
You fool, I also have DnD tomorrow... night, and I'm just a player, so it'll be fine lol
Lots of DnD here, that's pretty neat. I never could get into the tabletop stuff, but I still find it cool as a passing interest. I like how there's lots of potential variations in class options and stuff.
It's based on my pet ironclad beetles which can survive being run over by a car
This Pokémon guards the flora in its surroundings. As a result, it was once used by botanists to protect their work from vandalism. However, its usage was discontinued due to malfunctioning.
All in favour of izik dming us an infinite fusion dnd night lmao
Absolutely no
What, you don't want to manage up to 600,000 players? 
I am in one campaign as a player and I DM another. Easily takes 40 hrs between sessions to keep stuff up. I am not doing more lol
Plus yall cant handle The Pile, I doubt you'd be up to my standards
(Wow that's the first time I see that gif in the wild)
I mean... Staff Game Night? 
But nah I'm kidding lol
I'm working on a different pile right now, but once I'm done, I'll get to yours.
It glides silently through moonlit skies, trailing a shimmering mist that sparkles like stardust. Travellers who follow its glow often find themselves calm, though oddly unsure of how far they've wandered.
Legends say its wings carry real stardust, gathered from the upper reaches of the night sky. When it flies overhead, the trails it leaves behind are said to inspire dreams of distant galaxies.
I think I’ve realised my reasoning, I think it’s cause “travellers” is plural that it feels wrong
(The suggestion I made was changing it from “who” to “that”)
I can always change it to whom lol
that doesn’t work cause travellers isn’t the object, no? travellers is the subject, so whom doesn’t work
unless I’m being dumb 
Mmm good point
tbh I think it’s a case of me preferring the way “that” sounds over “who”, I don’t know if there is a proper linguistic reason behind it 
just mentioned cause often if something feels slightly off to me, it is, but about as often it’s just how I would phrase something different 
When they fall through the atmosphere, POKENAME’s gelatinous bodies partially melt from the intense heat. They cling to cool surfaces, avoiding warm areas as they slowly reform over time.
Melted ice cream
With sprinkles 
That would be kina fun ngl
I should make an extra alt about ice cream...Hopefully he does well in elusive 
Normal temperature in Death Valley California
Dang, would love to play in English one day. I think it's a challenge I'd like to face one day, wonder how I'd do
And with the odd fellas from if? Count me in
(but I'm also in 3 campaigns, so a quick one probably lol)
398.81:
POKENAME surrounds itself with a protective electric field. As it travels around, this defence measure causes nearby machines to go haywire. - dex request from @wanton ember
huh didnt think youd pick that 
it's always the weirdest ones you get inspiration for 
also, it was less likely for someone to naturally decide to make an entry for, i see lots of people go for cute ones or things like NTM's boxes 
now i wait for the unowns to critique it 
295.52
Sometimes grief over a lost Meowth becomes bitterness and denial. POKENAME haunt paintings imbued with these emotions, manifesting nightly to spread that pain using the loved one's face and their cursed coins.
No critiques
Also no necessary critiques, from what I can tell
You could change and a refusal to accept their passing to and denial to shorten the entry and keep the reader more on one line of thought, but that's not a technical requirement
I guess I would also change `with the loved one's face' to 'using the loved one's face' to make it clearer that the face is instrumental instead of the 'mon spreading pain and spreading the face
good suggestions! thanks

no critiques? you’re gonna make me think I know what I’m doing 
Made another sprite for Elusive Dex, here's my entry:
POKENAME's large bill is filled with a powerful acid that can dissolve almost anything besides POKENAME itself. It often offers to transport smaller Pokémon in its bill, only to dissolve and consume them.
looks good imo!
I love the visual of like pelliper uber, and then this guy just shows up 
What do you guys think of this dex entri for galvantula and Kabutops? "POKENAME is a distant relative of the long-extinct Kabutops. POKENAME's yellow fur conducts electricity, allowing this Pokémon to use Electric-type moves."
honestly its a bit short but I think its good
I can see the idea but the last sentence could be changed. I read it pretty easily that it's an electric type, so the "electric type move" bit feels plain
Something along the theme of "electricity, and it can rub its short arms together to increase its power" could be interesting (but write it better cause Im sleepy)
Thank you for the feedback
kangaspardos
kanghaskan and rampardos
To protect its young, it will never give up during battle, no matter how badly wounded it is. Due to its maternal instinct some theories suggest that its stupidity led to its extinction.
something along those lines
blatler
blaziken and stantler
they lure in foes who become bewitched with their strange antlers, their powerful punches and kicks leave foes blacked and burnt. Medicine made by grinding up from fallen antlers is an effective treatment for insomnia. this has led to their near extinction
chandelapex
chandelure and toxapex
It absorbs a spirit, which it then burns. By waving the flames on its arms, it puts its foes into a hypnotic trance. it crawls along the ocean floor searching for corsola souls for a flame fuel, It leaves a trail of Corsola bits scattered in its wake. Those attacked by its poison will have unbearable pains and toxic residue within their system for years.
It would help if you post sprites alongside your entries
will do so tomorrow when i wake up
Don’t call me out I enjoy my cute things okay
I would never 
For the Dex entries (I am going to pick up playing tonight and start writing a few) - If I am not submitting a Sprite I just include the existing fusion Sprite number on the form ya?
does oddish and bulbasaur have a sprite?
?tag calcs
https://infinitefusiondex.com/: Good for looking at stats, locations, movesets, and type matchups, as well as looking at the inverse fusions side-by-side.
https://www.fusiondex.org/: Good for looking at sprites and fusion names. Also includes stats, but no comparisons.
You can check on there
when submitting you just add the sprite number, yeah
make sure you have the right letter if there is one. for example, if there are two sprites for Bulbasaur/Ivysaur the first one will be called 1.2.png, second 1.2a.png etc
okay im gonna use this sprite
now, i need to use my brain
holy simply_mei has a bunch of amazing spirtes done
Correct you take this and add .png
You can only put in entries for stuff already in the game or, if you are a spriter, as you submit them to the gallery
Awesome! I am not skilled enough to be doing pixel art just yet, I tried my hand at it the other day and was horrified. I’m definitely interested in writing dex entries though!
Thanks! Theres a huge list of wild pokemon that need entries in the Wild Tab located here
that number is going to go a bit higher in a few days as more sprites are added
just as a tip for starting spriting: use custom bases and splice stuff instead of going freehand, it’s a lot easier
and you can get a lot done that look good, just look at izik’s sprites
Ooooo a very good idea!
aight, couple quick feedback things.
- Don't say
Bulbmantleyou need to putPOKENAMEinstead - this goes for anytimg you want to say the name of that pokemon. - Ya entry's too long, it can be a max of 250 characters, you're at 364. typically this makes 2 normal length sentences, 1 long sentence or 3 short sentences
It is said- unless you are talking about something that can only be speculative, e.g.If this Pokémon attacks you, it is said that your soul is drained from your body.. typically it's better to say exactly what something does instead of what it might do- if you are looking for feedback here on an entry, add the sprite. it really helps
- Triple fusions can’t have custom entries at the moment
i forgor that 
here was I about to give a bunch of revision suggestions, and technical feedback 
thank you for saving me from the typing hell 
I think the revisions will still be helpful for future entries
true, time to write 
aight so revision feedback time:
oops, hit enter straight away
RIP
The amount of times I’ve hit enter when I was trying to hit ‘ or “ on the keyboard
Ok so it's too long: how do we fix this?
First i would look at what each sentence does, and the first sentence doesn't say a whole lot, so we'll cut it. This brings us down to 266, still a bit long, but we can fix that with our revisions.
Second, as we have removed the name from this entry, we can try and add it back in. an easy way to do this is to change the start of sentence 2 from the bulb on its back to POKENAME's bulb. this also helps us cut down on characters
, down to 261.
Third, we are stating a lot of things in this sentence, lets scale back. As we have two things talking about it's bulb, and shells are generally assumed to protect animals and Pokémon, we will keep the bulb talk and cut the shell talk. This brings us down to 220, within our range
. Currently, our first sentence reads: POKENAME's bulb can ignite with fiery energy or absorb vast quantities of water.
We could change fiery energy to a scorching fire, as this still shows that it has a lot of fire power, but without having to hand wave the word energy which can sometimes be a bit awkward to use. Our first sentence is now POKENAME's bulb can ignite with a scorching fire or absorb vast quantities of water. which is significantly better
.
Now for our second sentence, It is said that the flow of these elements within its body must remain in perfect balance, or its internal reactions could become unstable. First of all, it is said is nebulous at best, lets change it! We can simply remove it is said that from our entry, which makes it a lot better!
Then we need to alter these elements as we removed what elements we are talking about from our entry earlier. We could instead say the opposing elements, but then it still isn't clear what elements we mean. We could say elemental forces instead, showcasing exactly what elements we mean!
The final change I would propose is a more personal thing. its internal reactions could become unstable. When reading this, my first thought is what would becoming unstable entail? Maybe it would become sick! Using this idea, we can make a couple of variations.
or POKENAME will become incredibly unwell - workable, but not very interesting.
or POKENAME will develop a runny nose and headache - evokes sympathy, but in a smaller, safe way.
or POKENAME will become deathly ill and need medical treatment immediately - much bigger, and more dangerous.
Personally I like to keep my dex entries lighter and a bit silly, so I would pick #2, or POKENAME will develop a runny nose and headache.
This would make our final dex entry POKENAME's bulb can ignite with a scorching fire or absorb vast quantities of water. The flow of the opposing elemental forces within its body must remain in perfect balance or POKENAME will develop a runny nose and headache. This still gets across the ideas of the original, is within word count (226) and helps you connect more with this fusion!
Hope this helps, it isn't meant as a way to tear down your writing, but as a jumping off point for improvement
. There are a lot of good ideas in that original dex entry, and it would be amazing to see more writing from you 
and now back to making these stupid minior's for the rush 
woah that was a big block of text I wrote, sorry for anyone who read it 
genuinely didn’t notice how much it was 
@spare garnet #sprite-gallery message
POKENAME can see the future in the stars during the full moon. They will protect anyone who they have seen in danger in their visions.
I feel like the second sentence could be tidied up, but I figured the grammatical errors were more important to address
You changed your name and confused me how could you. Checks out you’re helping people tho
Now all they need to do is become an Unown
yes, I changed my name specifically to mess with you 
but not being a unown is a great defence for my own stupidity 
I’d believe it
I ain’t quite that mean 
Are there guidelines for referring to self-fusions (are these considered "variant" in canon) and referring to other fusions/Pokemon? I'd like to refer to Carvahna/Pawniard for ref alt reasons. (please ping me if you reply, I need to get up)
#1372062650904739860 message
afaik self fusions have the same rules as any other fusion, so the fusion linked is not considered to be a Cubone variant, but a Cubone Fusion. idr the rules on referring to another fusion, typically I think referring to a different member of the evo line (e.g. I had an entry where the gear part of a klinklang fusion can break away and form the klink fusion), I would steer clear of a completely unrelated fusion tho
if you have an idea for your entry, you can always make a version and submit it here w/ the sprite, it’s easier to give feedback on the practical rather than theoretical 
@opal mural Hey, just passing (because i need to download entries sometime), but the new entries than you posted need to be under the name "chorb33", not Kurator Chorby ^^
Wait, nevermind, they are just duplicate
POKENAME wields both immense psychic power and blazing fire, allowing it to bend reality and scorch the skies in a single breath. It is said to appear only during intense solar flares, its presence warping the air around it with heat and telekinetic force.
i don't know how to submit it for the community
in #dex-entries-submissions there is a link at the top that says "submit entries here". click that link, enter your discord name not your display name. , the exact sprite name and your entry
quick wording suggestion: change appear only to only appear. both are correct, but only appear flows better
you can also probably remove its presence. the rest of the entry would imply that without explicitly saying it 
looks good tho 
POKENAME fires barrages of seeds at its opponents from its budding tail flowers. These onslaughts hit with the force of hailstones, wearing down anyone caught in its line of fire.
Back from a small break to finish up exams, I’m gonna try and bang out a bunch of dexdoku submissions to hopefully get in before the event ends
good luck on exams!
Yes, good luck on exams! ~~But also yay, more Dexdoku soon
~~
This Pokémon devours all kinds of things, edible or not, and digests them into a colorful sparkling mass. Storing it in its belly, POKENAME pukes it out as a meanings of self-defence, and while it looks stunning, it also smells terribly.
Is my use of the word "meanings" correct or not?
Ooo nice entry but could remove the "stores in its belly" and replace w "Then, POKENAME"
I don't quite like how it sounds
Too simple perhaps?
And I'd like to keep the part where it deliberately stores the puke to use it later
If there's a better way to phrase it tho, anyone please feel free to lemme know!
Ah, an unown like @jagged ledge or @regal cedar might know then
youd probably wanna use "meaning" (shouldnt be plural when theres an "a" in front of it) or get rid of the word to just have it be "pukes it out as self defense"
or for self defense
Gotcha
oh, another way you can word it is "as a self defense mechanism", which is what i would do
its more style vs. grammar in that case
The issue is that by saying "Storing It in its belly", you're confusing the pronouns before you introduce a subject (POKENAME) for either of them to refer back to.
I think the term you were looking for is "a means of self-defense".
Hey
Just wondering what the process is of making a deck entry and submitting it for the game because I just noticed there’s a couple Pokémon in my party that don’t have a deck entry
I read the guidelines, but I’m not sure where I go to submit my ideas
In the dex entries submission tab, click on the big link saying submit here and you’ll be sent to a google form
You’ve gotta put in the sprite number ( which you can find in the infinite dex there’s a link in the same submission channel )your discord username and the entry you want to send
If you want you can put your entry here and you can get advice and tweaks for it 
This Pokémon devours all kinds of things, edible or not, and digests them into a colorful sparkling mass. Storing it in the belly, POKENAME pukes it out as a self-defense mechanism, and while it looks stunning, it also smells terribly.
@craggy beacon @jagged ledge does this look better?
i like it :D
its 6 am so im not gonna trust myself to make suggestions that make sense but its 100% an improvement
oops, sorry 
LOL ur ok its summer so im doing nothing
Better, but could use a bit more work I think. How's this? Might be a bit too much and I can change things back, but here's my idea.
"POKENAME devours all kinds of things whether they're edible or not, digesting them into a colorful sparkling mass that it stores in its belly. It pukes out this beautiful but foul-smelling concoction as a means of self-defense."
Ooh, sounds fancy
main: In the wild, the oldest and most powerful POKENAME are revered as tribe elders, guarding their kin with their huge, cavernous mouths. Their booming yodels echo for miles, shaking the ground and imposing respect.
alt: With its massive mouth, POKENAME is capable of yodelling with an incomparable might. Its cherished, worn headgear rattles with each bellow, but never falls, a testament to its mastery of singing.
feedback?
Despite POKENAME’s skill with swords, it prefers not to use them. It will only use the swords to protect its home when necessary.
Probably worded so weirdly but I’m trying
If you replace the second use of them with a noun, it should solve the 'worded weirdly' feeling
It will only use violence or It will only use its swordplay skills
I would also add it is between if and absolutely necessary
POKENAME is easily confused. When puzzled for too long they will try to Headbutt the problem, often hurting themselves in confusion.
Oh, that might be the wrong ` ...
Also unsure about the capitalization of Heabutt, since it does be a pokemon Moove
If you mean the move, then Headbutt
If you mean the action without it specifically being the Pokémon move, then headbutt
POKENAME is easily confused. If it is puzzled for too long, it will try to headbutt the problem, often hurting itself in confusion.
I think this is closer to what you meant
thank you !
Yeah i meant the action, since like half the scraggy dex entry refers to it headbutting something x)
In the wild, POKENAME will meditate daily concealed in the sand. If an other Pokémon dares to disturb them it is very likely to become their prey.
think you need a comma between “wild” and “POKENAME” 
also you need to either change “any” to “an” or change “it is” to “they are”
i scrapped it while writing, so yeah i wasn't sure. If someone has a the english ruling about "sub-sentences" i'd like to have it-
also Pokémon needs the accented “e”
Any isn't singular ?
uhhh give me a sec, I’ll see if I can find some info on clauses
nope, not here at least
let me try and figure out the wording on why not, I just know it isn’t right cause I’m native English and it definitely sounds wrong
I thought-
that is exactly the reason why i'll post every entry here, i'm not native and even if i'm good enough to get my point across i'd like it to be correct for entries x)
so “sub-sentences” (also known as clauses) are essentially a bit of information that can be removed and have the sentence still make sense
so here, the sentence “POKENAME will meditate daily concealed in the sand” makes sense as a stand-alone sentence. “in the wild” is then additional information added on to the sentence.
So the comma is mandatory to specify its role as context in the text ?
ty fren
We have a similar thing in french.. usually litterally translating word per word is a bad idea but that might help me for when to use one. I'll try next time !
yurp
yeah, I wouldn’t recommend just straight translating, but doing a WfW translation in a language similar grammar wise doesn’t hurt as an additional check 
worst case someone helps you fix the grammar issue 
POKENAME is a sit and wait predator. Their flowers produce nectar with a sweet scent that lures small Pokémon before closing on them.
Imo its the best case, please correct me-
once i submitted the dex entry what happens to get it into the game for everyone to see?
It will be checked by an Unown then added to the game if it fits the standard
basically if it gets approved by an unown, it will go into the list of entries to be added. unfortunately there is no regular schedule for when frog updates it, when the next dex entry set is added it will be released into the game 
just noticed i missed smth, change an other to another, apologies for missing it 
woops, i hope changing it in the gallery message isn't too late-
(i've posted it like.. 10min ago !)
then it's more than fine, it won't be taken from gallery for like another month or so 
I just had a fright that this might have been picked up by bot instead x)
But yeah i though so too
Still, thanks for the fix ! (More coming up, i have a few sprites to get confirmed then posted)
When about to faint POKENAME eject their metal-like organs at their opponents. When waking up later, they will suck them back in magnetically.
unsure about if I should put metal-like or metal like
The part "organs to their opponents" confuses me. I assume theyre trying to hit the opponent as a final damage/scare off?
Yes !
refering to the Puykumu talent that dommages the opposing pokemon
Word to word didn't work then, was indeed a bad idea 
and i'd recommend removing the can after POKENAME, not essential i just think dex entries read better when they say that "x pokemon 100% does something" as oposed to "x pokemon sometimes does stuff"
love the concept and execution tho 
Thanks ! I just saw a little guy™ potential and it ended up being a quick one x)
POKENAME are adapted to move quickly both underwater and skating on the surface. When facing a predator who can out speed them in both terrains they will alternate between both methods until reaching their burrow.
quite unsure about phrasing here
hmm, the first sentence looks good to me 
that is a doozy of a second sentence tho 
is the second sentence meant to imply that the pokemon outspeeding them is trying to attack them? cause i think i can rephrase it if that's the intent
When a predator who can out speed them in both terrains they will alternate between both methods until reaching their burrow. maybe something like this?
Yeah that does it ! I like the non-predator side of challenged but that brings problems for not a lot of flavor-
i think the issue is more that it's hard to synthesise the word challenger in a good way in this context, but yeah it does remove a bit of the flavour as well
I'm more than happy with the predator one !
anyways i'm done for today so this will have tomorrow to reflect on it
Wild thing to read out of context /t
Thanks
i know /t is a tone indicator.. but not which one it is-
tease
Thanks !
POKENAME diet consist of anything made of metal, making them a hazard for cities. However they are a great help for the mining industry as they can fit trough tight spaces and retrieve various ores.
Should be POKENAME's diet consists of
When the water is calm, POKENAME quietly skates on the surface, but it will cry loudly and dash erratically when startled by anything unusual.
just saw that i did forget a broken outline
PUNCTUATION
you got a . and that's it 
wheres the commas! 🙏
I wouldn't know where to add them beside the one i just added-
idk i felt it was flowing nice
You should add a comma before 'but' and add the word 'it' before will, so you can properly change clauses and refer back to the subject properly.
You change tense from active (skates) to conditional (will cry), so these extra steps will help the entry read better.
any feedback here?
Friendly reminder that there's still time to join the current Dexdoku 
this is fine
maybe 'commands' or 'demands' but I wouldnt deny it for imposing
all entries are reviewed up until now btw (except the izik ones)
I wanted to be sure we got these done before the month end since the tidal wave will be incoming from the gallery lol
You mean maybe "shake the ground and demand respect" ?
Surskit/Machop (518.66)
POKENAME's body secretes a sticky syrup to ensure prey doesn't escape its grasp. Larger Pokémon have been observed tossing POKENAME at boulders and displaying signs of amusement as POKENAME briefly sticks to the rock.
@hollow nimbus 
This was a genuine question? I don't get the laugh
Very good 
Do you want to just do all feedback at the same time or otherwise?
I know I need to do my next dexdoku entry-
POKENAME is often a target for bullying, given its small legs. When it flies, its small legs tend to be front and center, as it is the first thing seen from below.
That’s worded horribly but I hope my idea comes across. I can fix it tomorrow morning-
This one looks cool and I wanna do a dexdoku entry for the one on the left but brain
POKENAME has a talent for dancing. If there is a smirk on its face, it is likely feeling smug about its dancing abilities.
I can check in with you in a bit, sorry for the wait. It's just been a busy week and I didn't see much activity.
No worries
I know you weren’t calling me out but I’ve felt so guilty given we barely have any time left
Uhh whats dexdoku-? I saw this message but um, do we just fill the spaces with a fusion that includes the columns?
#recurring-events message
Omg the example pic just below it sry thats awkward
I swear I didnt see
It's alright!
So are the fusions we choose based on like, how prideful they are(?(
So the top row shows one half of the fusion and the side row shows the other half. Like for example, Bisharp from the Top Row and Squirtle from Starter Pokémon.
Oh yeah, I saw that but how are the chosen fusions judged, if at all?
(Sorry if this info is obv I am SO tired rn)
It’s based on what you write, not always the sprite per se
Although there is a separate contest for making sprites
This one is finding ones that match both sides and then writing an entry for it
Also have an idea for the last go-oh but I need to somehow fix the others first 
Oh you find the sprites that fit the category to write for them and then I judge at the end based on how the entries fit the rules and the content of the entries.
@midnight siren I’m still gonna do the dumb entry, I think with sylveon
Oooh okay thank q both for the info!
👍
Final q tho, isnt the "evolves on levelup" the requirement for, most pokemon? (Been a long time since I've played, ik some require stones/trades)
I’m def gonna need help with the last two I found lmao
Yes, I think it was meant to be done that way to make it easier
Last time it was minior hell /hj
I’m intrigued to see what you come up with! :3
Yeah, it's supposed to be a victory lap round lol
I literally have "Free Space" lol
OH and final final question so I don't overlap anyone's entries, will submitted entries still be visible on the giant mega sheet?
Fair enough fair enough
You will need to submit them manually as normal for them to be in the game/sheet, but yes.
Oh, I mean when I submit them through the dexdoku form, unless we aren't allowed to view submitted ones through the special form
I mean... nobody's submitted to the form yet. 
I was confused about the form too tbh. Mostly cause revisions and such
I'll ping you here for revisions
It's been two weeks and no one has submitted-??
Like I didn’t know if it was what we’re doing or optional
At least one person has submitted their grid in the #1210021946105004052 Thread, but the response form, nada.
It was supposed to be a way to help me organize entries better so I could be notified with responses and make sure I have everyone's entries in one easy spot, but uh... 
Oh shit uh. My bad then
It's alright, just seems like people prefer a break to a victory lap is all. 
Anyhow I should sleep so I can get braincells to write gooder tomorrow
Sounds gooder to me. 👍
Sounds worser to me i hate braincells
Idk why but you responding that way made me cackle today was rough emotionally so I knew I likely wouldn’t get entries in
What are brain cells
Depends on what they’re for
LOL
braincells are fine, but not the best dish i'll agree 
Aw shoot I nearly forgor about the dex event
Gonna need to make some up right away
Oh, no worries! I just wanted to be sure. And would you prefer them to be submitted to the form even for feedback or just at the end?
POKENAME can detect very fine amounts of gold in water. Gold diggers had great hopes for them, until they found out about their stubborn behavior, POKENAME often hoarding nuggets and refusing to share where they found it.
I think replace the but with until
Wooper/Ultra Necrozma
POKENAME appears unstable, as if caught between two forms. Observers report seeing both Wooper and Ultra Necrozma flicker separately in their peripheral vision, but when viewed directly, it remains whole. This fusion may not be meant to exist at all.
Is this lore-friendly?
It looks great, but the last sentence w the final comma of often keeping nuggets for themselves the "themselves" doesn't quite make sense. You could say something like , where it hoards all the gold to itself or of POKENAME refusing to give any gold they find
Buuuut Im not an unown so they might have a better explanation
Is this referring to the components as the individual pkmn that make up the fusion? Because that isn't clear on my first read. Like, does it just flicker back into a tiny wooper?
I've though about renaming POKENAME but 3 in one dex entry seemed a lot.. i'll try a tring
Renaming POKENAME-? I don't follow
I meant reusing POKENAME- woops
edited, better ?
Oooh I see I see
Looks better, but the behaviour, POKENAME still doesn't read quite right
...i can't tell if none of the unowns are online or they don't appear in the sidebar
sidebar's list is too long anyways-
Im not quite the expert on this so someone like @jagged ledge orr @hollow nimbus would be able to give better feedback, it is a rly interesting entry!
Yeah but that's what you get with 600k ppl
Is it not 800 k ?
Okay I gotta leave in 20m time to jet 
(same point)
Oh it might be, its annoying to check counts on discord
Nope 700k hah
Middle !
Yes, reworded to hopefully make obvious
I think at this rate, at the end, since your post has all of them on one grid already, it should be fine.
I don't see anything wrong with the lore of this entry
It doesn't state anything about the fusion's state as somehow simultaneously fused and unfused in any sort of certain, definitive way, so no facts about the PIF world are contradicted
The orbs surrounding POKENAME hold the souls of those that came before it and thwart any attempt to attack it. Its unyielding stare promises you will join them.
Too edgy? (and if so, is that bad? lol)
also should I avoid using "you"?
The first sentence is fine, but yeah the second sentence doesn't match dex tone.
Okay still have no clue how to fix the creatures from yesterday
Hi guys I'm new and saw a Youtube video of this game. Is it possible to 'participate' on the sprites of the game
You can make sprites if that’s what you mean
This is where we write Pokedex Entries, which you would be more than welcome to do, but if you're looking for information on how to make Sprites for the game, I would recommend #spriting-guidelines and #spriter-general
https://www.fusiondex.org/sprite/pif/492.3a/
POKENAME come from a world where all Pokemon are made of sweets. It fears humans for reasons unknown.
I don't know if the 100 characters counts spaces. if not this might be too short-
Any suggestions for how to improve it?
"for reasons unknown" doesn't feel very much pokédex to me?
Add some flavor fact ? maybe guess a reason for the fear so it will solve nougat's problem too
Ok I'll try again
https://www.fusiondex.org/sprite/pif/492.3a/
Pokename come from a world where all Pokemon are made of sweets. It has an irrational fear of being eaten.
POKENAME is always all caps I believe, but I think that's fine 😄
Though i'm curious if that will pass the FAQ test
The FAQ test ?
It's supposed to be a reference to Pokemon Sweet version (because I believe the sprite is based on the Venasaur from that hack)
Oh okay, I didn't know
But is this canon ?
also thank you for the rule !
I mean, no reason not to try submitting, you'll see soon enough if it's allowed 
Okay redid the stuff from yesterday hopefully it’s okay now
Dexdoku
POKENAME are often abandoned by their mothers shortly after birth. As a result, they are prone to crying, wanting for a mother who will never come back. It is not a good idea to get near POKENAME while it is crying, as its wails really hurt the eardrums.
Idk what to do for this one
Dexdoku
Despite POKENAME being able to walk on land, it much prefers living underwater. Its ruff often acts as a light source, illuminating the depths of the ocean.
something about it being bioluminescent? cause idk the scale petals glow? 
i got nothing 
thinking about this guy
scolipede will grasp prey with those claws on its neck so something including that perhaps?? 
Are you thinking of ideas of what to write?
Ahh right
def a workable idea 
Yeah I like the first bit, maybe if it grabs it for long enough it traps its soul in the keystone
i need to go and write some dex entries now that i think about it 
i was thinking something like that (pulling pokemon in to Take their Souls)
yeah, i was gonna say add in smth to do with the keystone/soul nonsense spiritomb loves
It’s their for a reason, keeps with the whole grabbing thing and spiritomb soul stuff
If it grasps the opponent for long enough, it slowly drains their soul and pulls it into the keystone, that incorporates both of the Pokémon’s element pretty nicely I feel
Your entry tho so it’s your licence for ideas, I’m just spitballing here
POKENAME is highly territorial, defending its territory with its claws. If it grapples with an intruder for long enough, the intruder's soul will become trapped in its keystone.
something like that
territorial because scolipede are aggressive and territorial, according to entries
I like scolipede
I also like scolipede and that is a solid entry
Try to avoid repeating words tho, maybe change out territory and intruder where you’ve repeated it twice
148.440:
POKENAME's wings aren't strong enough to allow for flight. Despite this, POKENAME will jump around, flapping furiously trying to gain height. - Dex request from @sharp cloud
poor wording, please help
POKENAME is highly territorial, defending its home with its claws. If it grapples with an intruder for long enough, their soul will become trapped in its keystone.
ez fixes i feel
opps
wait
"the their" yes i have been writing for nearly my whole life why do you ask
Oooh wait glowy petals
POKENAME flaps furiously to get any height at all
Also thanks to you (asshat /t) I will do luvdisc junior
That would do for a second sentence, cut out the jump part that’s what’s confusing things
Perfect, love it
Alright I need to finish my last 2 dex doku entries Ive gotta get them done for tomorrow, hopefully I can summon wildheart to give me some last minute feedback lmao
hmm, annoyingly that neuters the image i want to portray 
i'm more interested in keeping the jumping bit than the flapping bit
hmm, give me a sec, i think i have an idea
it cuts off its... Gulp.. No i shant say 😟
Okay I’ll help you out for a minute before I go lmao
@hollow nimbus this one
for my spiritomb/scolipede
I don't see any technical errors
POKENAME's wings aren't strong enough to allow for flight. Despite this, POKENAME will jump off of high platforms and glide to mimic flying. something more like this methinks
I am personally not a fan of using the present continuous tense in entries much, but that's my own style and not a grammar thing
Okay maybe POKENAME jumps around, flapping its wings furiously to try and gain height
Is that better?
Awesome sauce
so full entry looks like: POKENAME's wings aren't strong enough to allow for flight. Despite this, POKENAME jumps around, flapping its wings furiously to try and gain height.
Thanks for that idea dragon that actually helped a lot
glad to be able to help 
Quick question. Is this from the Sprite Pack that released today?
i enjoy helping here where i can 
no, its my sprite
im gonna upload the dex entry with it
(what's luvdisc junior
)
No worries 
Yes, the issue is that the system for uploading Dex Entries with Gallery Posts was bugged last I heard and doesn't properly split or assign additional credits, so we recommend waiting until the Sprite is in the game to outsource an entry so it can be added properly.
Wildheart I may need you in like 10 minutes for last minute dex doku checks before I submit if that’s okay 

Sorry for the inconvenience, by all means you should feel free to request entries for Sprites in the game or submit the entry given for this one once the Sprite is added manually, I just wanted to clarify the situation to avoid more complications in the future.
I meant to say minior
I don’t have braincells rn
Totally fine. 👍 (I mean for what it's worth, you have until tomorrow
)
158.559:
The jaw of POKENAME can open surprisingly wide, allowing it to consume food that's almost its size. However, its bite strength is very low, so even a full force crunch feels like a nibble. - dex request from @brisk bane
LOOK AT HIM

Also just a heads up I will be in and out a little until I'm fully offline in an hour, but I will do my best to help in the meantime.
got 1 more dex request, then its dex doku time babyyyyyyyyyy 
spinarak 
Dexdoku
POKENAME loves romance centered holidays, and often will spin webs of hearts and flowers for those who request its help. Much to its dismay, some people want to use its webs for ending romantic relationships.
Might be too short
It's a good start, you just need to build from it.
427.440a:
The cloak of POKENAME is used to regulate its internal temperature. Due to the intense cold POKENAME emits, even its cloak is icily cold to touch. - Dex request from @sharp cloud
Dexdoku
Despite POKENAME being sheltered in its shell, it is a huge fan of all romance films, always trying to find excuses to watch more of it. Someday, it hopes to find a friend that will watch romance films with it.
time to compile dexdoku entries 
That minior wasn’t fully horrible
But all of em are done now
Ooh that creature is cute, I like the entry
Yeah all good, I thought it was submissions end by tomorrow I didn’t know I had another day lmao, I’ll post my entries in the dex doku chat, get to them when you can it’s not urgent I’ve got plenty of time after school tomorrow 
It is fitting that this would be the first of my fusions to get a dex entry, it was technically the very first sprite I made for PIF though only fixed up and added to the game last year. Thank you so much! :D
Why is your doduo weepingbell a potato
ayyy, i'm glad you like it 
Just because you did that I’m gonna do one 
Omg I love it
POKENAME loves building sand castles, and wants everyone to experience the joy of making one. Children often play with it, learning how to make prettier sandcastles.
It’s such a cute sprite
Sad that there isn’t an egg one tho
it has a friend to build sandcastles with 
just something dumb i made with one of my sprites
If it doesn’t I’m doing it rn
it's not in game 
MOTHER FUCK-
it is on its own tho
I should look up sandygast to see how many more sandcastle ones there are
i think i wrote an entry for it 
And you’re right I just went insane that I can’t write for it
As my dad would say, dinosaur toes
POKENAME is incredibly energetic and excitable. It will often weave around Trainers feet while on walks, with electricity sparking off its tail. :p
it's my mum's favourite sprite i've made - she calls it "Small Bean"
i just realised i could give some of my disc's entries 
POKENAME looks harmless, but it emits a very toxic gas when startled. Trainers have to be very careful if they decide to have one as a companion.
While POKENAME still often emits toxic gases, it is much less frequent than it was when it was smaller. It now uses it strategically, only if it feels threatened
I love Joltik, such a lil guy
And now I’m blanking on ideas 
do we have rules on military stuff? i'm floating ideas on #1389712304916136026 . i will ofc keep it peaceful but idk i just wanted to ask


