dex-entries-discussion

[sacred patio]

Idk

[pure agate]

was that the first scam bot in this channel?

[sacred patio]

He pinged mods

He’s cooked

Does anybody have any fusions for me to do

We need custom dexers role

[nimble sage]

feel free to go through my fusions

[sacred patio]

How do that?

[nimble sage]

?tag calcs

[upper loom]

https://infinitefusiondex.com/: Good for looking at stats, locations, movesets, and type matchups, as well as looking at the inverse fusions side-by-side.

https://www.fusiondex.org/: Good for looking at sprites and fusion names. Also includes stats, but no comparisons.

[nimble sage]

sort by artist on either, pick a sprite,,write an entry, submit it, rinse and repeat

[gentle frost]

Same here, I have a ton that I think could be great for custom entries lol

[sacred patio]

Honestly I wonder if they would give requests open role to dex entry makers

[narrow cosmos]

A quick way to foil a POKENAME attack is to steal its leek and jam it in its open mouth. The leek is too precious to break by biting, so POKENAME will be too distracted removing it to give chase.

Bit o' Looney Tunes imagery here, of a sort.

[sacred patio]

What do I do if I change my discord user?

[jagged ledge]

Thank you!

I'm a little busy right now, but I'll read through the edits soon

[jagged ledge]

I mean

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[jagged ledge]

I think you might have missed some of my suggestions. Deokern might need a little tweaking but sounds good overall, Celetini needs a bit of formatting edits, Duskern goes from vague to specific, the intro to Shedlous feels a little clunky, Flysaur is still a little disconnected, but overall looks good.

[frank cedar]

Woodour #194.228
POKENAME can be found near hydrothermal springs near volcanic areas. Their footsteps sound like hot-water bottles sloshing.

[restive mauve]

Spawns

[jagged ledge]

Hot water bottles as in hot-water bottles used during bedrest?

[boreal prairie]

I'm pretty much happy with how they are after the tweaks you and worm suggested last night. These are what i'll submit for dexdoku (if you're still up for making the chart for me haha) and then if you need to work on them more with your new powers as an almighty unknown after I submit that's up to you 🙂

I did disagree with your suggestion for Celetini, I think the joke only works if formatted exactly like I have it. The idea works how you had it, but it is only a joke how I have it.

[frank cedar]

Woodoom #194.229
After it evolves, their heads swell up with the hot water they store in their bodies. They inflate their tail to balance their heavy head.

[jagged ledge]

Well the issue is that it needs to be formatted like a Pokedex entry to be sent into the game. I would be willing to let you use the current format of the joke for Dexdoku specifically, but I would need to run it by the other Unowns before approving it for the game itself.

The thing working in your favor is that the Approved 162.445 entry says "Quite literally, its slime is like glue!" so that could set a precedent to permit this format, but I will check

[boreal prairie]

I'm not really sure what you feel is so atypical about the format to be honest. There isn't anything ungrammatical about it and it is a very common expression.

[frank cedar]

Quagdoom #195.229
POKENAME is extremely playful in nature and adores splashing in large bodies of water. If it stays in too long, the water will boil

[jagged ledge]

Well it's more a question of if a Pokedex or nature documentary would use that sort of playful language.

[frank cedar]

Are any of my entries ok?

[jagged ledge]

I'll ask the other Unown about it to be safe.

[jagged ledge]

This paints a good picture, I'm just wondering what you mean by hot water bottles. Are they like specificly hot-water bottles to help with sleep or generic water bottles that happen to be hot?

[frank cedar]

The sleep ones

[jagged ledge]

Slap on a hyphen and you're good. 👍

[frank cedar]

Gotcha

[boreal prairie]

I like the ideas but if you'd like edit suggestions, i can be back after lunch!

[frank cedar]

Sure thing! I may not be around as i have to leave for work in about an hour but I'll reply when I can

[topaz stream]

Shroomlu #404.442
POKENAME's mossy wings are full of spores. If it senses danger, it flies away, scattering them.

first time trying this lul

[jagged ledge]

Would "making it literally one of the hardest to find Pokémon in history." work for you?

[topaz stream]

is this acceptable?

I basically grabbed elements from each part's entries that I thought fit

[jagged ledge]

Sorry, one second. I'm working a few other cases right now and it's my first day lol

[topaz stream]

no problemo, just sayin

[jagged ledge]

I think it relies a little too heavily upon the previous entry. Maybe fixing it to Their heads swell up from the heat of the hot water they keep within their bodies. In order to balance it, they try to focus the water into their tails. or something like that?

[jagged ledge]

Well for starters, entries need to be at least 100 characters and this is only 95.

It's a good idea, just a little basic. Maybe describe the nature of the spores or how they scatter. The ending feels very blunt. Maybe something like If it senses danger, it'll fly away immediately, scattering spores behind it.

[hexed fog]

A collection of Unown appear to have gathered together in an attempt to communicate with humans. Unfortunately, what they are trying to say remains unknown.

Made me audibly lol

not just think lol

[topaz stream]

oh for some reason I thought the max was 100 lmao

[jagged ledge]

I think the second sentence needs a bit of work but the idea is fantastic. If they stay in too long, the water will begin to boil would likely be better.

[jagged ledge]

It's alright, the max is actually 250!

[jagged ledge]

I'm glad you like it

[boreal canyon]

Any idea on how to word a dex for it ?

I kinda want to have it clear it was believed to be the sun

[topaz stream]

how bout this?
POKENAME's cotton-like wings retain moisture, so they grow mossy, and itchy to the touch. If it senses danger, it flies away quickly, scattering a cloud of spores behind it.

[hexed fog]

me casually taking a deep breath before reading a legendary's entry

[boreal canyon]

good luck

[topaz stream]

oh I just thought of a better one

POKENAME like to flock in the damp forest floor, so their wings grow mossy, and itchy to the touch. If an individual senses danger, the entire group flies away quickly, scattering a cloud of spores behind it.

[jagged ledge]

Having fallen from the sky encased in radiant flames, it was believed this Pokémon was a fragment of the sun. It slumbers within its protective shell, waiting to burn once more.

?

[boreal canyon]

love it, but i'll probably replace "burn" with "shine", idk

[jagged ledge]

I think this might be getting a little too complicated now. It's a good visual of the ecosystem, love that kind of thing, but at the same time, there's a few inconsistencies that come from combining these ideas.

As you have it now, the way I would edit it down would be

Groups of POKENAME flock together on damp forest floors, using their wings to blend in with the moss. If a member of the flock senses danger, it will alert the others and they will flee in a flurry of spores.

What you need to watch for is where to place your commas, which extensions or details can be trimmed for cohesion, and singular vs plural subjects or details

[jagged ledge]

Also sadly I must repeat to you what has been told to me, we technically don't know how fusions come to be in the wild, so we technically can't directly state that they grow mossy wings BECAUSE of their habitat, only how they function within the habitat.

[topaz stream]

ah didn't know that, thx for the heads up

[boreal canyon]

btw, you can submit

[boreal prairie]

I will literally (haha) start looking through real entries just to show you its fine how it is lol

[jagged ledge]

No worries

[jagged ledge]

I am juggling a lot right now and about to head out so I'll be stuck on mobile most of the day, but I'll see what I can do.

[fair thicket]

How you handling your new unown duties, btw? More behind the scenes than us noobs know?

[boreal prairie]

After it evolves, its head swells up with the hot water it keeps in its body. It inflates its tail to balance the heavy head.

small concision edits, also I'm not sure if we're supposed to mention fusions by name (these are just edits to show what a maximally concise entry might look like, keep what you like if you think it sounds better!)

POKENAME is extremely playful in nature and splashes [constantly] in large bodies of water. If it stays in too long, the water will boil.

concision suggestions. This time you actually switched between singular and plural (personally I always prefer singular but its a matter of taste). A note about [constantly], I would use a more specific word because it is not literally true that it constantly (presumably you mean frequently). It gives us a more creative opportunity to pick specific events where something could happen if we avoid words like "constantly" and "always"!

[jagged ledge]

Still fairly surface level for now, but I have been keeping an eye on the document and making notes of things. I'm basically using today as a sort of training/re-familiarizing to try and help bridge the gap of reviewing here and signing off entries for formal approval.

But I did get Dexdoku made into a semi-official event, so that's exciting.

[topaz stream]

how's this?
Groups of POKENAME like to flock on damp forest floors, using their mossy wings as camouflage. If a member of the flock senses danger, it alerts the others, and they flee, scattering a cloud of spores behind them.

[jagged ledge]

It just also happens that I spent most of the morning talking with irl people and I'm literally on my way to go book shopping so I'm juggling a bit lol

[frank cedar]

Yeah this definitely reads better lol grammar and punctuation was never my strong suit

[fair thicket]

🤔 I know unowns can’t approve their own entries - what about entries you helped edit?

[fair thicket]

book juggling!

[jagged ledge]

I believe that's the same as an Unown making edits or suggestions on the document itself, so it should be alright in moderation as long as the author is happy with my edits.

[frank cedar]

Fixed them up a bit. How's it sound now?

[boreal prairie]

Looks great!

[jagged ledge]

Hi, sorry, need to clarify this a bit.

[boreal prairie]

I'd say this entry for Drifloon in Pearl is essentially the same sort of joke formatted the same way, except literally is at the end in mine and however is at the start in this one

It tugs on the hands of children to steal them away. However, it gets pulled around instead.

[jagged ledge]

While I personally enjoy a connected reference entry, this technically doesn't quite fit the standard ruling of formatting on an individual level. It relies on the knowledge that the pre-evolution kept, past tense, hot water in it.

The issue is the past tense, as it says something about a different sprite and a different entry instead of describing the process of this sprite or building up this entry. If someone found this sprite in the wild before the pre-evolution, it might not make as much sense.

[frank cedar]

Gotcha sorry. How's this?

[jagged ledge]

Sorry, I needed to make a quick chime in post to sort things out before giving the actual note lol.

[jagged ledge]

Well the difference is that it's the structure of the second sentence operating as a contrast that provides the humor. It is still a full description/depiction of the scene.

Adding literally at the end is only adding the comedic nature

[boreal prairie]

It's never funny to explain jokes, but like the reason I'm adamant about this one is, it is subverting the common use of literally to not mean literally, by using a common trope of pokedex entries (calling it rare) and the the phrase "x-est thing in history" and making it literally true because it travels through time. Which I think if I say literally in a less conspicuous point in the entry, it doesn't really have the punch and just seems like I'm calling it rare because it is a dratini and a legendary.

like moving literally i should just not say it at all because it is redundant to say something that is true is true

[jagged ledge]

Well I mean technically Mew / Celebi can also time travel and I think Mew can be classified as rarer than Dratini.

[sacred patio]

Archeologists discovered POKENAME in an ancient tomb many years ago. Under the blazing sun it appears to only be a clay sculpture, but during cool desert nights it’s said that spirits can be found circled around it performing a long forgotten ritual.

[willow crystal]

Hey! To answer your question from yesterday (apologies if it was answered already!), I see they indeed are d and e in the files. There's a technical explanation for this, but basically with the naming script we use for pack making, they would be renamed if there were sprites containing that specific combination of dex numbers+ variant letter already present in the files. Your sprites are the only one for that fusion, so the letters you assigned ended up going through since there were no contending preexisting sprites. I'd take care of them now, but I'm resting from traveling. Most likely I'll forget when I come back since I have the memory of a goldfish, so feel free to make a report and I'll see it when I can 🙂

Edit: I updated my local files and it turns out they were changed after all. I'll leave that technical explanation up for future understanding

[sacred patio]

Since everyone is here, any improvement I could do?

[boreal canyon]

replace cool with cold

[willow crystal]

Thank you, I would have answered eventually, but I actually needed this break so I appreciate it

[sacred patio]

Does it really get cold in the desert though?

[jagged ledge]

Like I understand the idea, but there are 250,000+ Pokemon in this game. Claiming anything as a definitive most can get convoluted.

[jagged ledge]

At night, yes.

[boreal prairie]

Yes but it is heightening its rarity by only going to moments in time when nobody is around. which sure mew and celebi could also do but the idea is it is heightening the rarity normally associated with mythical and the dratini line through the fusion creating something extraordinarily rare.

[boreal prairie]

That's why I said "one of"

[sacred patio]

Idk, I live in a colder area, so those don’t seem very cold to me, but idk, I’ll make that change

[willow crystal]

Oh right this is in regards to dex entries. They would need to be adjusted in your sheet. From 55.439d and 55.439e to 55.439 and 55.439a. I hope someone would be able to handle that, I don't have a hand in dex entries

||sorry for interrupting the flow on the conversation carry on||

[jagged ledge]

I mean so do I, but nature be nature.

[jagged ledge]

It's already a juggling show, you're fiiine lol

[jagged ledge]

Fair

[boreal prairie]

Archeologists discovered POKENAME in an ancient tomb many years ago. Under a blazing sun it seems like a clay sculpture, but on cool desert nights it’s said that spirits circle around it and perform a long forgotten ritual.

Some concision suggestions. I'm not sure if the first sentence adds a lot when the second idea is really creative and could be expanded on instead!

[jagged ledge]

Yes, I understand that. I also just think some of the formatting is the issue.

"Making it one of the rarest Pokémon in history, literally only seen once in a lifetime." Or something. Like there's a way to build off the joke or use it as a concept that continues the thought as opposed to just using literally as a punchline.

[boreal prairie]

also i would switch the its said part to the ritual section, since it sort of either does or doesn't have sprits around it, but the ritual could be unknown

[sacred patio]

Ok, I did have to cut some stuff because it’s exactly 250 characters

[boreal prairie]

You keep saying formatting and I'm not really sure what you mean by that, since I don't think you mean grammar, but to me formatting is like bold text so that could be why I'm still sort of confused even what seems off about it to you.

[narrow cosmos]

Oh neat, the latest spree has basically caught up with all my entries, I'm past the 400 mark on approvals.

Alas, the tiny few that were not approved wound me greatly. I retire in shame

[sacred patio]

… just fix them

[narrow cosmos]

I'm just being overly dramatic for funsies. I'm a bit disappointed on the ones denied, but it is what it is.

[boreal prairie]

Is it confusing?
Is it boring?
Is it ungrammatical?
Is it too long?
Does it conflict lore?

To me the answer to all these is no, and these are what I'd look for when quibbling with an entry.

[jagged ledge]

Ok so the Drifloon example. If it was just for comedic effect it would read as

It tugs on the hands of children to steal them away. Oops, it can't!

Playfulness is good, but it still needs to convey a full thought as opposed to simply emphasizing or contrasting.

The comedy in the actual entry comes from the full scene, not just the word choice.

Also brb, I'm picking out manga

[hexed fog]

When "literally" should be used:

To emphasize something that is factually true or actually happened.

"The candle literally melted down to a puddle."

(The candle truly turned into liquid wax, no exaggeration.)

When "literally" should not be used:

In place of "figuratively" or for exaggeration, where the statement is not factually accurate.

"I was so hungry, I could literally eat a horse."

(Unless one truly intends to consume an entire horse, this usage is incorrect.)

[frank cedar]

@jagged ledge so do all 3 seem ok for submission before I do any more editing?

[boreal prairie]

What'd you change it to? (i forgot to mention thats why i recommended cutting some lol)

[narrow cosmos]

If I'm going to make just the one foible about it, the Arceus/Houndoom fusion I thought seemed pretty cool was denied for being listed as talking more about the being in legend, not the fusion itself. The issue being the dex entry having mention of 1000 arms in the legend when the sprite doesn't, which was a sticking point.

But it was taking after some of Arceus's dex entries, which mention the 1000 arm thing as part of its legend. So given that Arceus was half the fusion, couldn't it still be alright, it's just taking something straight from the dex's of one of the source Pokemon.

S'pose I could just adjust the entry to say something like "it will sprout 1000 arms" but still.

[hexed fog]

I'd be down with that

[narrow cosmos]

The Cubone rejections are kinda in a similar vein, Rule 9 FAQ issues about individual vs. the collective for entries, but the Cubone thing is all about losing its mother and whatnot, so I thought repeating that in different context would be fine. 🤔

[hexed fog]

Cubone entries are a NIGHTMARE

[boreal prairie]

This is the entry me and Wildheart are violently and angrily arguing about (joke hehe)

Celetini 251.147 It flits through time like a fish swims through water. It pauses in moments where nobody is around to see it, making it one of the rarest Pokémon in history, literally.

the literally is playfully emphasizing that the in history cliché is literally true because it travels through time.

[hexed fog]

Logically not all cubone have no moms... which makes pokemon weird af on that

[narrow cosmos]

Yeah, there's the logic, but at the same time, 95% of dex entries for Cubone is "sad and orphan," if the latter is not allowed for fusion dex entries it does kibosh a lot of potential for using something from that side of things, aside from the appearance and just making up some reason for skulls to be a thing.

[hexed fog]

I already agreed with his decision on this one. That being said:

Saying something is "literally" the rarest is a steep slope. Especially for a dex entry. What happens if you get another celebi fusion that goes through time?

They can't be both be the rarest

[boreal prairie]

I say one of 😭 😭 😭

[hexed fog]

So then literally wouldn't make sense

[boreal prairie]

The literal part is modifying history which is why i want to put it next to history deliberately 😭 😭 😭

[hexed fog]

It cannot be literally and not literally at the same time

[boreal prairie]

no one understands my art 😭 😭 😭

[hexed fog]

I'm sorry

[boreal prairie]

I feel like so many of the comments on it are literally not reading the entry I wrote and then telling me to fix the entry they rewrote in their head lol

[hexed fog]

This is literally a lot to ride on with a dex entry lol

Trust me I've had to rewrite my own stuff so many times

[boreal prairie]

I'm putting Wildheart through their paces on their first day 😛

[hexed fog]

Bobo and Zigg go "wtf"

[boreal prairie]

Once I submit it I've already said you guys can edit my entries however you want haha. I do just strongly believe there isn't an issue and that people are not really reading what I wrote

[hexed fog]

It's back to what Joost said the other day. We all have a hard time at realizing when we make our own errors

[jagged ledge]

[hexed fog]

It's so annoying when I find out I'm not entirely right about something

[jagged ledge]

Please tell me the Drifloon comparison made sense at least

[hexed fog]

My husband corrects me all the time when I'm being le dumb

[boreal prairie]

Oh I fixed lots of errors last night. This just is not one of them. To me it basically feels like Wildheart is saying its too funny for an entry which I disagree with

[sacred patio]

We need a dex entry writer role

[jagged ledge]

We do, #discord-suggestions

[sacred patio]

Day 1 of asking for dexer role

[jagged ledge]

We have no power over that

[boreal prairie]

Partially because I think entries can be funny and also because I don't think it is that funny anyway haha

[narrow cosmos]

So fixing up the Arceus entry of mine shouldn't be too bad to resubmit, then? But what about the Cubone stuff? I think a past entry of mine got in that made reference to orphaning. Maybe that one just felt more general than these recent ones? (Or it was just different Unown looking at them. )

[jagged ledge]

The issue isn't exclusively being funny, the main issue is the use of a word added onto the end as a fragment idea just for comedic emphasis

[sacred patio]

I see, well I will continue to be an annoying lil kid and continue requesting once every day

[jagged ledge]

Fair enough, just don't pin the lack of on me lol.

[sacred patio]

[boreal prairie]

where is dexdoku at

[sacred patio]

Also it has come to my attention that some people are afraid to do custom dex entries because it is “harsh” from what people have read

[topaz stream]

is that a bad thing? (for future reference on my part)

[boreal prairie]

Going back on this conversation, it is obvious that the pokedex entries treat Pokémon like they are wild animals / cryptids, whereas the game pretends they appear magically from eggs. There are some headcanons you can do to reconcile this but I think that entries should be comfortable picking and choosing

[boreal prairie]

I am harsh (I being people who comment here) or unowns are harsh

[sacred patio]

I’m not sure, I recommend custom dex entries to someone who was interested in being active in the server and they said “I might but it seems pretty harsh from what I’ve read”

And this is concerning because I don’t think it’s harsh, I find it fun, idk where anybody got the notion that it’s harsh

[jagged ledge]

I really don't want it to come across that way, it's just sometimes a bit harder to critique writing styles and formatting than point at an image and say "wrong color."

Writing by nature is someone putting a unique voice to paper, so it can be hard when relying on rules to format it in a way that doesn't sometimes come across as dismissing that voice to a degree, as we're seeing with Ozy and previously saw with Merc, Worm, and others. Even my entries have had struggles in reviews. That's why I think my priority as an Unown will be working along with people and trying to communicate the thought process, to be constructive and supportive in new writers without losing the integrity of the results or rules as a whole.

[hollow nimbus]

It's only harsh if you take needing to do corrections personally
We're meticulous, so any problems will be fixed

It's okay to have problems and mistakes in your writing
You need to be able to separate that from your self worth

[sacred patio]

That’s what I’m saying, you guys are being critical so we can improve as writers and so that the quality of the dex is high

[narrow cosmos]

Given that it varies game to game on whether they treat them as regular vs. mystical and such this seems fair. Not to mention I feel if we dig into the approved entries enough we'll find instances of contradictions in terms of this kind of stuff.

I'm not gonna harp on it horribly or anything if I can just repair the entries easily enough, it's just one of those occasional wriggles in things, which is gonna come about when even Pokemon itself might be a little inconsistent, let alone a quarter-million potential fusions using them as bases while different people scrutinize the quality.

[jagged ledge]

Sorry I'm not up to date on this case, I'll get my hat in the ring when I can

[hollow nimbus]

This is the internet, so we get a lot of people of all different ages
Not everybody is able to take constructive criticism well yet

[sacred patio]

Yea, I’ve not had as much an issue with this because I feel most my entries are pretty solid, but I understand what you mean

[sacred patio]

Alas

One day

One day

[hollow nimbus]

One day they will grow up, but then there will still be more young ones to take their place

[narrow cosmos]

Take your time, won't mind getting your feedback on it when you can.

[jagged ledge]

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[sacred patio]

But by then we will have the whole dex filled, and so we will have an in game feature to choose alternate custom entries

One day writers will have just as much hype and recognition as spriters

[jagged ledge]

@boreal prairie Does this make sense?

[sacred patio]

I have a dream

Ok I’ll stop yapping

[topaz stream]

there isn't one?

[sacred patio]

For dex entries, not sprites

[narrow cosmos]

Not yet. You can't even tell which fusions have a custom dex at all without meticulously fusing/searching.

[topaz stream]

so the dex entry is the same for every alt of the mon?

[hollow nimbus]

In case you guys are wondering, this is the ratio of Izik's entries to not-Izik's entries

[jagged ledge]

I mean by definition I don't know if As much is achievable, but in game credits and features would be a good start yeah

[narrow cosmos]

Believe me, I was collecting the images, it was a task and a half.

[hollow nimbus]

I expect to be processing nothing but Izik's entries for the next month or so

[sacred patio]

Yes

[hollow nimbus]

Shouldn't be

[narrow cosmos]

At least I know I never have to worry about trying to compete, there's no competing with that.

[sacred patio]

That’ll take half a decade… bros a beast when it comes to pumping those entries out

[hollow nimbus]

Entries are written for the sprite, not for the fusion

[narrow cosmos]

Once I hit 500 I'm probably gonna slow down a bit anyway.

[jagged ledge]

No, Dex Entries should be unique between alts

[sacred patio]

Oof I misread what he said

[hollow nimbus]

I still need to submit all the entries I wrote in December

[topaz stream]

ahh cool cool

[sacred patio]

Some of them are too well written to be auto, also with auto it changes every time you close and open dex, custom doesn’t

[narrow cosmos]

No no, I mean you can tell when an entry is custom when reading it because the text is green (and it can change if the same sprite has multiple accepted entries). But if you're going down the list of just the Pokemon names in the Pokedex, so far you can't tell which ones have a custom entry without selecting them and just going down the line.

[sacred patio]

Yea, in game dex entries probably won’t get in game recognition outside of the discord until 6.5, if there ever is a 6.5

[jagged ledge]

Wait, do you mean the spliced entries or...

[topaz stream]

btw yall think I can submit this one?

[sacred patio]

The autogen entries

And custom entries

[jagged ledge]

"It alerts the others, causing them to flee while scattering spores behind them"

[jagged ledge]

Eh, I think most people would be able to tell the difference... getting the attention or acknowledgement... Would be nice.

[south berry]

Style Guide wise are we cool with the use of parantheses and/or em-dashes in dex entries?

[ebon warren]

[boreal prairie]

I think the disconnect is I don't think my sentence is really that humorous, like, it is just a slightly playful tag. Like, if I submit it and you do nothing but take "literally" out completely, I'd understand it wouldn't change anything about the meaning. There are still two scenes (it swims through time) (it stops in moments without people). It is just a little fun wordplay about the cliche about x-est in history, which I thought was clever that it was literally true because of time travel.

[jagged ledge]

So are you saying you would rather I remove the joke than rework the joke?

[boreal prairie]

You're not sounding dismissive or anything at all Wildheart. This it the literal (ha) only time I've more than minorly disagreed with you 🙂

[jagged ledge]

I would also mention the plural thing we discussed a few days ago, but yeah. Even if we have different styles at times, you're always nice to work with.

[boreal prairie]

Oh, yeah, I thought I said that haha

[narrow cosmos]

Fragmented tales of a being similar to POKENAME have been discovered in ancient ruins. They speak of a deity that summons 1000 arms to drag the wicked away to burn the evil in their souls to ash with cleansing flame.

[boreal prairie]

because... they are in history. like, it is there in the place that is history. like.... do we get the joke? i want to make sure im not crazy lol

[narrow cosmos]

Alright, I reworded a bit of the failed entry here, I wonder if this would be more palatable.

[jagged ledge]

My bad, I missed that part and was instead trying to focus on compromising to fix the placement of literally.

[boreal prairie]

Ha, have you been in a grad school workshop? I would not consider that conversation an even minor disagreement

[jagged ledge]

Well yeah, I understand that part and it is fine, it's just the way you added on literally in that format didn't read as a Pokedex entry to me.

[jagged ledge]

Eyy, I get it.

[boreal prairie]

Fragmented [tales] of a being similar to POKENAME have been discovered in ancient ruins. They [speak] of a deity that drags away the wicked with a 1000 summoned arms to burn the evil in their souls to ash with cleansing flame.

[Tales] that [speak] are not found in ruins. Some small rewording for flow in the second section, which has a lot of components that I know can be made more concise but I'm in between moments IRL right now and wanted to put the thought out there.

[boreal prairie]

i wish there was a spreadsheet of offical GameFreak entries I could ctrl+f haha

[jagged ledge]

Mood

[narrow cosmos]

Isn't it metaphorical? The phrase "legends speak of a [thing]" is a common phrase but legends themselves don't speak, people speak of legends, relay tales, etc.

But I'll try to fix it up.

[boreal prairie]

Legenda speak because of the oral tradition. Just a note that is often proffered when we incorrectly attribute agency to thing in metaphor. If you think about it and you're sure it seems right and is not just you using a cliché, then keep it!

[jagged ledge]

But I did Ctrl+F what has been approved so far in our dex. The tone and usage of literally in a comedic fashion is fine, but the difference is that you just have literally as a sort of extended emphasis for the sake of a punchline. Even saying "rarest Pokémon literally in history" would fit better.

[boreal prairie]

I realize many people here might have a bad connotation for cliché, I should write a writing tip on that.

Cliché just means using a metaphor without really thinking about how it still a metaphor because the phrase is so common.

[narrow cosmos]

(That said, the big issue here is whether it won't get rejected again for 1000 arms thing. I'm curious on if the unown that denied it might have been unaware of that being one of Arceus's dex entries. Can't expect everyone to know every canon entry after all.)

(It's one of the reasons I have a harder time doing entries for any fusion with a component past Gen IV, I'm less familiar with them. )

[boreal prairie]

And specifically here I was more making the point that you don't find tales in ruins, you find like wall paintings and pottery and stuff. At best you find documents in ruins but also documents don't speak either (except in cliché )

[narrow cosmos]

Then where do you find legends, we need all the legends we can get for all the coolest fusions to be accepted!

Also I forgot one of my Gardevoir entries was rejected because I'm not scientific and got too facetious with a description about electricity. Whoops.

[jagged ledge]

I mean I personally don't see an issue with the reference, but it's my first day so I don't know the ruling. I can check the Approved tab for examples soon

[boreal prairie]

Elders and sages and hermits have legends and they speak them. Archeologist find relics that reveal.

[narrow cosmos]

Fragmented records of a being similar to POKENAME have been discovered in ancient ruins. They illustrate a deity that drags away the wicked with 1000 summoned arms to burn the evil in their souls to ash with cleansing flame.

How's this as an alternative, taking your thoughts into account? 🤔

[jagged ledge]

I mean murals and story urns exist.

Hieroglyphics

[boreal prairie]

The reason we ought avoid cliché is not because its evil or whatever, but, it is in essence, not realizing that you are using someone else's creativity. While, technically all words are metaphors, when you say something "sticks out like a sore thumb" you are short cutting your own creative process, and using somebody else's. And if you're not doing it as a deliberate reference, it slightly undersells your own work.

[boreal prairie]

Hieroglyphics do more readily (but still metaphorically) say things, but ruins less so.

[jagged ledge]

I mean better us than uh you know

https://tenor.com/view/avatar-the-last-airbender-gif-6037055492951935036

[boreal prairie]

I do like it better! If you still want to work on it, i feel in my heart there is some other way to say "a their b in their c to d with e" (so many parts!)

[sacred patio]

[jagged ledge]

Sometimes turns of phrase can be useful shorthands to convey an idea. I agree they shouldn't be the only crutch or structure, but if we trimmed them all, not much would get done.

[boreal prairie]

Also official entries are chock full of clichés so its more just something i'll point out when I notice them haha

(chock full is a cliché hehe)

[craggy beacon]

https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExeXpobDl6M3czcm9pbDI1aTR5ZW96NnRnY3c4a2cxdDQ1aTE1aDlibCZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/mTmxficVNwIPEJYTGE/giphy.gif

[jagged ledge]

Thank you

[craggy beacon]

myfavorite contribution to this server returns

[jagged ledge]

See, exactly. It just kinda happens lol

[narrow cosmos]

Alright, I submitted that one, we'll see if it gets taken this time or if I have to just 86 the 1000 arms thing and remember not to use it in the future.

Same thing with the Cubone issue now. Not sure if I wanna workshop those or just avoid tackling any entries with Cubone for the time being.

[sacred patio]

We work

We work to earn the right to work

[jagged ledge]

I'm going to be honest, I just completely recontextualized the skulls on the Bulbasaur/Cubone fusion entry. In mine they're decorative helmets/tributes.

I have no clue how to deal with the whole lost mother aspect most of the time

[narrow cosmos]

It's complicated! Especially since so much of any lore surrounding Cubone is "orphan and depressed, send message"

I guess nothing stops us from just using the Cubone visuals and nothing else, but still.

[jagged ledge]

If it makes you feel any better, Kabuto's entries are mainly "It's extinct. Hit send."

[narrow cosmos]

When a Pokemon has just that one gimmick, they go all in on it most of the time

All the fossil Pokemon kinda give me a bit of trouble too because I'm never sure on to contextualize the fusions as other extinct creatures with entries detailing about them in prehistory terms, or speak of the modern one you've got in your pocket ready to eat Youngster Joey's Top 10 Rattata.

(Like with a lot of things, it's kind of pick and choose with these, there's some wiggle room available at least provided it doesn't clash too hard with the FAQ.)

[jagged ledge]

Yeah exactly lol

I also think its kinda depends on the sprite

[narrow cosmos]

The tar-like substance that comprises its body is horrifically acidic and deadly. The bones seen within POKENAME's body are all that remains of victims it has engulfed and consumed.

[jagged ledge]

*sewn?

Oh wait seen as in visibly seen

[timid sky]

That could probably be a regional variant

[narrow cosmos]

Yeah. I did want to imply that even the fangs and claws were just refashioned from victims but decided not to try and over explain.

[narrow cosmos]

Make it like a tar-pit from prehistory, could make it Hisuian Muk.

[boreal prairie]

The frickin Iron Paradox Pokémon... "Its from a magazine from the future maybe... woag" copy/paste copy/paste copy/paste

[jagged ledge]

It might need to be toned down slightly but I have not covered/reviewed enough dark entries to be sure.

[narrow cosmos]

Understood. I might submit it and then fix if necessary. (Also because I don't like to leave an entry sitting there before going onto working on a new one, my brain won't let me. )

[narrow cosmos]

That reminds me, are Paradox Pokemon a known phenomena in-universe at this point? (Ignore that PIF technically would take place before these games chronologically) It might make for some possible entry potential referencing them. Sparingly, of course.

[jagged ledge]

I do like the visual and concept, I'm just trying to be more open and immediate about uncertainties and clarifications while I am here.

[boreal prairie]

only concision note is small repetition tweak to body if possible (you're getting better because my notes are much mores specific now )

[narrow cosmos]

No worries, I appreciate it! I'm not sure how much is allowed either, though I did get an entry approved about draining blood and then disposing of the dried husk in a Pokemon's mouth, so.

[narrow cosmos]

Don't sell me too highly, I'm sure a future entry will give you a million edits to work through as my brain fries trying to make some really asinine fusion.

[jagged ledge]

Yeah, it should be ok, I'm just giving the heads up because I don't know if I can confidently make the call.

[dire silo]

This is incorrect, or at least it ignores quite a lot of philosophy of language to assert a naively modern understanding of language. “Language speaks,” to quote Heidegger.

[dire silo]

Everything is metaphorical. This is why STEM education without humanities is so bad for people. They don’t understand the basics of how their own language works, which means they don’t really understand how science works, either. At the very least, ruins may “speak” metonymically. There are all kinds of figures of speech to describe how language like this work.

[boreal prairie]

The last STEM class I took was Pre-Calculus and I got a C haha. This is my advice taken from an undergraduate creative writing course.

[boreal prairie]

The suggestion was not that they cannot do it, but to prompt them to ask if they are sure they meant to speak metonymically or if they were just relying on the cliché.

[narrow cosmos]

No problem. I did switch "victims" to "prey" because that comes off less evil or dark, methinks.

[boreal prairie]

I assume based on you replying to this message read the one where I also literally said that all language is metaphor too: #dex-entries-discussion message

[boreal prairie]

This isn't criticism of you but it reminded me about how I've been trying to catch myself not to talk about prey too much. I just always find myself going there when I can't think of other stuff. I wonder why?

[dire silo]

I suppose that’s fair. And I did see your other message, which struck me as an odd disconnect with the message to which I was responding.

[jagged ledge]

Ecosystem

Circle of life, it happens

[narrow cosmos]

Prey is hard to find a substitute word for, especially in descriptions talking about animals. Because that's the binary description to go with most of the time, one or the other. It's the most clinical term, everything else is just deliberately avoiding a functional word, I feel. Victim, prospective meal, target, etc.

[jagged ledge]

Everyone's gotta eat.

[jagged ledge]

Target is a good substitute yeah

[boreal prairie]

Next pokedoku somehow contrive to get more entries about symbiotic relationships instead of predator-prey ones haha like the birds that eat rhino ticks

[boreal prairie]

The thrust of the advice was to make sure when you speak metaphorically, you are doing so deliberately. It helps you hone your own voice as a writer, and also, makes it more likely that your intent in understood. Not like an instruction book, but just the vibe and essence of what you want to convey.

[boreal prairie]

“Do I contradict myself? Very well then I contradict myself, (I am large, I contain multitudes)."

STEM majors don't quote Whitman 😛

I think the most affronted I've ever been so far in this channel is you implying I'm a STEM guy lmao

[jagged ledge]

I actually do have three other Dexdoku templates already

These ones have more cohesive themes though lol

[narrow cosmos]

POKENAME creates so much fire internally that its body cannot fully contain it. It shoots flames from its arms hot enough to melt a mountain in minutes.

[jagged ledge]

Maybe "Creates so much fire within its body, it cannot fully contain it"? Just that the wording of internally there feels a little clunky.

[sacred patio]

Perhaps, “met an unfortunate fate/end at the hands/claws/etc of POKENAME”?

[dire silo]

Sorry, didn’t mean to assume something so specific about you in particular; I meant it more as a general statement of the educational background of most people I deal with, and I have met very few creative writing majors, actually.

[narrow cosmos]

Those who hear POKENAME's song fall into a deep sleep, dreaming of life in ancient times. Some believe they are actually reliving moments of past lives thanks to POKENAME's time powers.

[hexed fog]

google sheet is struggling hard

[narrow cosmos]

I think I might adjust "ancient" to "olden," to imply it could give you a dream of anywhere from caveman to ancient rome to the 1940s.

[hexed fog]

SK broke the sheet call the police

[narrow cosmos]

I didn't even submit the time-puff yet!

[hexed fog]

you dex'd too hard

[narrow cosmos]

Nooo, Wildheart has the last visible entry, blame them!

[hexed fog]

typical.

[jagged ledge]

[narrow cosmos]

How much more can the Doc contain before it goes truly critical?

[jagged ledge]

It seems to be working ok on my end?

[narrow cosmos]

It is said that when POKENAME appears, it will use a type of time magic to assist those in need. Many stories tell of POKENAME hastening the evolution of Dragon-type Pokémon in particular.

Side note, a couple years back I tried to get back into Yugioh after not really playing or watching since early GX.

....Game's gotten a lot more complicated.

[jagged ledge]

https://youtu.be/J1VGY-CfGps?si=gu-jbX1YgPniqonl

[boreal prairie]

This sprite reminds me of the Balrog.

[boreal prairie]

actually is unnecessary because some believe covers the ambiguity

[boreal prairie]

You know what they say; When you assume, you risk reaching spurious conclusions about the person with which you hope to communicate, lowering your credibility in their mind when they assess the validity of your arguments

[small nest]

POKENAME ackshually isn't on fire, that was never described in the books. It just has a flaming whip.

[fair thicket]

...of course it did. 🤦 We really do need a STET box

[boreal prairie]

As a non-joke response, I understand the point you were trying to make. However, in the context of writing within a narrow rhetorical context like this creative writing project, there are proscriptive methods that can help shape a work toward the goal of the project and improve your writing skills. These prescriptions are meant to function alongside and enhance the subjective creative experience. I try my best when speaking to someone new here to let them know I'm only ever making suggestions for them to weigh for themselves how they feel about them. With S.K. specifically I'm more comfortable being more direct now that they have endured plenty of my notes haha

[narrow cosmos]

Traumatized as I am by them.

(Kidding. )

[boreal prairie]

Is this with Mr. Mime?

[narrow cosmos]

Yeah.

[boreal prairie]

Trying to if there is a way to reference the coin toss nature of the time wizard card

(destroy your opponents board or destroy your own)

[fair thicket]

yo guys
anyone got suggestions how to combine sulfur with electricity?
If it were sulfur and fire, or hematite and electricity, it'd be easy.
Whatever it ends up, I want to there to be a hint to the origin of the design
https://www.fusiondex.org/431.478/

[narrow cosmos]

I thought of that myself, thinking of something like "it appears to grant a boon or a curse," but couldn't make it really work.

[fair thicket]

smth smth accepting its help is a risk, as its time magic will either destroy your powers or your enemies - not that you can refuse its offer.

[narrow cosmos]

It is said POKENAME has appeared several times in history, accompanied by a mysterious apothecary. Their appearance differs across different tales, but all stories share a common connection of helping those in need thanks to POKENAME's powers.

I've never watched Doctor Who.

[boreal prairie]

here is something: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_von_Guericke

he made a sulfur static globe thing

[boreal prairie]

Throughout history, POKENAME has appeared accompanied by a mysterious apothecary. Its appearance differs across different tales, but all stories share a common theme of helping those in need.

I've always felt Looker reminds me of the 10th doctor.

So maybe it would be more Pokémony if it was a mysterious detective even though i like the mysterious apothecary joke

[fair thicket]

His electrostatic generator was created using a sulphur globe attached to an iron rod. By rubbing the sphere with a dry hand, von Guericke was able to impart a charge imbalance on the surface, which would allow him to attract and repel other objects.[11]
👀 use for pom-poms?

smth smth "POKENAME uses its sulfur inclusions to generate an electrostatic charge" something something something
🤔 I'd say something about rubbing the sulfur, but it has no hands (ish). Would be neat to tie the cheerleader aspect into it as well.

[jagged ledge]

Hey guys sorry the Unowns are a bit quiet right now, we're discussing an update post regarding Not Approved entries.

Just wanted to communicate that so you guys knew what's up.

[sacred patio]

?

[fair thicket]

Okay good, because I just submitted an entry that I think has no chance getting in

[sacred patio]

[jagged ledge]

We're still figuring things out. Technically I'm not sure if I was really supposed to say that, I just wanted it to be semi-public knowledge before the drop so it didn't seem targeted or catch people off guard.

[fair thicket]

Well I wasn't alarmed until you said that! 😅

[sacred patio]

Does caterpie Rayquaza have an entry yet? Because as a child I always thought that caterpie evolved into Rayquaza, because they look the same and have similar details, because I wanna do entry for em, nobody else do it first or I will unleash my 100% autism mode and harass you tell the end of time

[sacred patio]

Well, hopefully it doesn’t end up like… the incident

[fair thicket]

lemme check the numbers

[fair thicket]

you're in luck. you got two sprites to choose from
now gimme a sec to look at the spreadsheet

[jagged ledge]

Uh whoops ignore me

[sacred patio]

Yay!!!!!

[fair thicket]

😔 Worm gets banned from the dex channel for being a prima donna

[jagged ledge]

I promise it won't be like that lol

[fair thicket]

and no entries on the spreadsheet from what I can tell!

[hollow nimbus]

Whut :0
Why
Where did the entries go

[jagged ledge]

Nah, I just get banned from my Unown role on the first day

[fair thicket]

none for caterpie/rayquaza XD

[hollow nimbus]

Oh, okay

[sacred patio]

They mine, no touchy

[hollow nimbus]

I won't

I'm too busy approving entries to write entries

[sacred patio]

Same pattern, same coloring, same design features… coincidence? I think not!

[hollow nimbus]

Actually, I'm too busy approving entries to even submit my entries
I've got a month's backlog of my sprites waiting for me

[fair thicket]

wake up babe, new magikarp just dropped

[sacred patio]

Magikarp?

[hollow nimbus]

Mmm
Bug rayquaza
That would be fun for a fangame

[fair thicket]

weak baby wuss of a pokemon that evolves into a serpentine powerhouse

[sacred patio]

Get it in viridian forest

[jagged ledge]

I'll work on Approving the entries for now, you go submit!

[sacred patio]

Yes

[jagged ledge]

Snivy?

[hollow nimbus]

No, I'm trying to reach a set number of approvals by the end of Friday
I missed yesterday's work, so I gotta catch up

[jagged ledge]

Tynamo?

[sacred patio]

[hollow nimbus]

I'll probably start submitting them tomorrow

[sacred patio]

[jagged ledge]

[sacred patio]

Gen 5 is a lie

[jagged ledge]

I believe in you!

[hollow nimbus]

We're talking about how Caterpie looks like Rayquaza

[jagged ledge]

I know lol

I'm being silly

[fair thicket]

trait of magikarpoids 😌 magikarp, feebas, can't recall what others there are

[hollow nimbus]

Cuddlebuns and Screechereen, obviously

[hexed fog]

97.201.png Hovering POKENAME hypnotize heedless human hooligans to harbor alliterative affectation. Intellectual alterations endure unless impelled persons produce poetic paeans to this Pokémon. Prohibit poetaster provocation or perish!

@fair thicket I get the joke but this is sooooo out of tone for a pokedex entry (it's also really hard to read lol)

[fair thicket]

DarkWeavile made me do it to prove I'm not a coward. 😌

[jagged ledge]

Congratulations, mission accomplished

[hollow nimbus]

Wait a min, I can translate this

[hexed fog]

Oh I read it. I understood it.

but it hurt.

I think I have a broken arm now

from reading

[narrow cosmos]

Many describe the sights of POKENAME shedding its skin as disturbing, as its head begins protruding from within the mouth of the layer being shed.

[hexed fog]

omfg its face

[fair thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/oricorio-yellow-cheerleader-bird-dancing-trio-pokemon-anime-gif-2837236795955827168

[hexed fog]

thats a gift

[hollow nimbus]

"Floating POKENAME hypnotize reckless humans to hold an alliterative mannerism. Intellect-related changes continue unless urged people make metrical feet for this Pokémon. Stop the annoyance of people who make inferior poetry or you will die!"

There are several odd content choices here

[hexed fog]

I hate everything

[hollow nimbus]

The last sentence is the oddest

[hexed fog]

stop itttttt lol

[hollow nimbus]

It just seems unrelated

[hexed fog]

my brain! my poor tiny brain!

[hollow nimbus]

I don't even know what intellect-related changes are

[jagged ledge]

I mean I think some cleverness and/or poetry being included can be fun. For example...

[fair thicket]

If I'm gonna get rejected anyway, might as well go whole hog and try to wrest the word "poetaster" in there

[hexed fog]

it's a joke about how it uses alliteration to cause mental problems

and it hurts

it worked ;;

[jagged ledge]

Hykou Haiku

[hollow nimbus]

Frog says that entries should be able to be read by the common person

If you're gonna try to use poetaster in an entry, you better have some very strong context clues around it

[fair thicket]

If you bother it, it curses you into speaking in alliteration until you write a praising poem to it.
So make sure sucky poets stay away, or they'll be alliterating forever.

[hollow nimbus]

Which implies it dislikes inferior poets?

[fair thicket]

reread the first six words of the post you replied to 🤭

[hollow nimbus]

Also 'perish' and 'be alliterating forever' are very different

[fair thicket]

Which implies the sucky poets are gonna be stuck alliterating forever.

Heh, wait, are you trying to say the entry has potential to make it in?

Like, with some tweaks?

[hollow nimbus]

You can probably have some mild alliteration in there, but this is a severe amount

My first concern as an Unown is the content

I'm not even certain a Pokémon can understand the concept of poetry

[jagged ledge]

I mean if you have the actual content of the entry in the game, then you can whip out the alliteration version as an example later on.

Just be like "Oh hey, you know that entry I made for the game? Look at what happened to the Pokedex guy that tried to write it before. "

[hollow nimbus]

Content problems:
Are you saying only hovering ones do this?
Why are only reckless humans affected?
I wouldn't say that an affectation can be 'harbored'.
What is an intellect-related change? That doesn't make much sense.
Can a Pokémon understand the concept of poetry, let alone meter?
Why do we need to keep poetasters from being provoked?
Why would we die if we didn't?

[hexed fog]

219.16.png POKENAME is a magma bird native to volcanic areas, its diet includes rocks, gems and mineral. Hikers should be careful since they can drop drops of magma from its body when flying high in the sky.

Mind if we do a couple alterations to this (besides the obvious grammar issues?)

Magma is only something that can exist below the ground, once it is above it would be 'lava' @pine moat

[pine moat]

Sure things, thanks for correcting me

Fell free to do any changes u need

[narrow cosmos]

When initially observed, POKENAME was thought to be the first sighting of a shell-less Shuckle. Though debunked, it has invited fringe theories about a possible shared lineage.

(First draft of this was gonna be more about the poor scientist who thought he had a breakthrough and got all disappointed. )

[hexed fog]

wtf is that sprite i love it

shuckle ekans gives me life

oh wait

thats a dratini

hahahahaha even better

[narrow cosmos]

I feel like it's ripe for someone to make a meme/reference sprite alt and it's just Flork from FlorkOfCows.

[hexed fog]

it's adorable

[fair thicket]

like I said, it was mostly submitted on a dare and I wasn't expecting it to be approved, but you never know...
but if you wanna know:
- pokemon looks like this ⬇️; they hover.
- there wasn't a word for "interloper" that alliterated, so the dex writer had to go on vibes due to constraints
- 🤔 Hmm, well, thoughts and feelings can be harbored. I guess I was working with the idea that there's an intellectual component to these induced mannerisms
- The change already described: the alliterating.
- apparently, this one can. I went with an unown fusion for this very reason, tbh. If anything can understand poetry, surely it's the letter critters.
- You want people to be cursed forever into alliterating?
- "Perish" here is hyperbole. Perhaps the dex writer is an awful poet suffering the curse, or perhaps she has to endure companions who suck at poetry continuing to fail at breaking their curses.
https://www.fusiondex.org/97.201/

[fair thicket]

aw, i was gonna suggest Lowly Worm

[boreal prairie]

@jagged ledge are you still gonna make my entries into a dexdoku chart

or did i literally make you too mad

[jagged ledge]

Yes, I will. I just want to know the ruling on Celetini lol

[boreal prairie]

The ruling is that I want it how it is on the chart and then if an unown changes it when I submit, c'est la vie

[hexed fog]

yall have been slackin!

[boreal prairie]

shortcut: #dex-entries-discussion message

[hexed fog]

I want more entries

OMNOMNOMNOM

gimme entries about camp grounds

and grills

[jagged ledge]

You have a deal

[hexed fog]

and rollercoasters

and croutons!

and straws!

https://tenor.com/view/jerry-hungry-tom-and-jerry-feed-me-mouth-gif-11590925

[narrow cosmos]

The fact that POKENAME sheds its skin was only discovered fairly recently. This is because after shedding its skin, it will immediately devour the old skin for extra nutrients.

[hexed fog]

497.78.png Once thought to have been a local legend in the western world, POKENAME appear to those in trouble in attempts to aid them. This doesn't always end well.

@wispy zealot what do you mean by it doesn't always end well D:

[fair thicket]

feels too scientific 🤔 like, i want there to be a goofy element like after eating its skin, it ends up the same size it was before it molted (also contributing to no one realizing it shed its skin until recent)

[narrow cosmos]

Hmm. 🤔 If we wanna be a bit dark humor about it, people could have thought it was cannibalistic until they realized it was just nomming its old skin.

[fair thicket]

well, i was also thinking that there are a bunch of irl reptiles that eat their skins immediately after shedding (iirc). also munchlax is a muppet of a pokemon

[narrow cosmos]

I could also just omit the "recent discovery" part and go a different direction.

"Because it eats its shed skin, it grows quicker and sheds skin again sooner, leading to more skin-snacks."

[hexed fog]

ngl i like it

some animals do eat their own skin after shedding

it's weird af

all entries have been reviewed besides the izik mountain

bask in the caught-uppidness

[jagged ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/nanami-nanami-kento-jjk-jujutsu-kaisen-gojo-gif-9721827202022859485

We need more anime sprites

[sacred patio]

No

[jagged ledge]

What if they're obscure anime

[sacred patio]

[jagged ledge]

Make a Reshiram/Gardevoir based on SHY

[sacred patio]

[jagged ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-anime-girl-transform-transformation-hero-gif-9487489204723595100

[sacred patio]

[hexed fog]

https://tenor.com/view/vain-glory-sweet-fairy-gif-6218911

[jagged ledge]

How dare you use my favorite anime against me

[fair thicket]

i want to make a sprite based on a character design a friend made that she made a fictional doujinshi for, does that count?

[jagged ledge]

I don't think we can have doujin characters

[sacred patio]

Doujin? What anime is that?

[jagged ledge]

It's the category name of 18+ Manga

[sacred patio]

Kinda freaky imo

How could they corrupt anime like that

[gentle frost]

I got ur anime right here :3

[sacred patio]

Never gunna be able to look at Totoro the same again

[fair thicket]

wait, i thought it just meant a fan-adaptation

[sacred patio]

[jagged ledge]

It might depend on colloquial contexts.

[fair thicket]

if i intended the 18+ meaning, i probably wouldn't have used that word, given rule 2 😅

[gentle frost]

Yes, there’s quite a lot of sfw Pokémon adventures Doujinshi for example, I’ve seen some

[sacred patio]

Totoro is the goat

[sacred patio]

Did not need that

[fair thicket]

sfw
meaning not 18+

[gentle frost]

It’s not that bad lmao, mostly just wholesome shipping, anyway point being doujinshi isn’t inherently adult

[jagged ledge]

Yeah that would track

[sacred patio]

Totoro is the goat

Prove me wrong

[fair thicket]

gogoat is the goat
totoro is the snorlax

[hexed fog]

Still waiting on my radiator, shower curtain and trampoline entries

Let's goooo

Chop chop wildheart

[sacred patio]

We need a kool aid fusion, and antifreeze

[jagged ledge]

Said it before I could lol

[gentle frost]

Tbh if I had more confidence in my writing I’d work on dex entries, but think I’ll stick to sprite attempts for now lmao

[jagged ledge]

Same

[hexed fog]

You want prompts?

Inspiration?

I can do that

[sacred patio]

Bro, I passed writing with a B+, you don’t need writing skills to make good fusions, we here to help you

[sacred patio]

I need sleep

Played too much pif

[jagged ledge]

Have a great night

[sacred patio]

Haven’t slept three days

[jagged ledge]

Please sleep

[gentle frost]

My writing is mostly history-based, suppose I just don’t have much experience with the scientific angle of dex entries

[fair thicket]

just throw ideas together into sentences and our innate pedantry will cohere them into dex entries

[fair thicket]

here, help brainstorm some sentences for my guy here while I take out the cat litter
so far I got:

POKENAME shake their sulfur inclusions to generate electrostatic charge.

Have fun
https://www.fusiondex.org/431.478/

[gentle frost]

Could continue it in a combat role - “It then uses this stored charge in battle to electrify its foes” or the like

[fair thicket]

...y'know, i might be able to work with that

Intruders upon POKENAME's peace will be hypnotized into crafting odes to the gravitas of this pokemon - but don't grant any poetic talent. One victim scrawled out the warning "Prohibit poetaster provocation of this Pokemon or perish!"

will need some fixing, of course, but you think the idea's more workable than the all-alliteration one?

[sacred patio]

Scientific?

Like this?

It hangs dormant by its claws on the ceilings of deep caves, slowly letting the venom produced in its body gather in its stinger. Many spelunkers bear the scars left by sudden POKENAME attacks.

@jagged ledge the green thing is grass type right?

[hexed fog]

Please for the love of arceus don't make mythical entries too edgey

[fair thicket]

wait wait
what if our doggerel writer says "Perish poor poetaster provocateurs!"
could also do "Pity poor-" like the ee cummings poem

[jagged ledge]

Yes

[fair thicket]

or arceus will smite you with his 1000 arms?

[jagged ledge]

Probability predicts pity is preferable

[fair thicket]

now i just have to give the surroundings a good rewriting

[boreal prairie]

Sure thing! I'll make mine have a playful little bit of fun word play that– oh wait...

[jagged ledge]

Ozyyyyy

I made a whole Dexdoku fill-in for you

Be nice lol

[boreal prairie]

I was being nice I thought it was funny irony haha

If I was annoyed I would brood about it not joke about it

[jagged ledge]

Fair lol

Anyway here ya go

I would advise submitting them as they are so that any edits will already be on the sheet as part of the approval process.

[sacred patio]

Oh, I won’t, I’ll make them derpy

Idc if the original mons are legendary or not

I’ll focus more on the sprite than the lore

[boreal prairie]

They've been submitted! Woohoo!

[jagged ledge]

Woo!

[boreal prairie]

Have you been approving entries today?

[jagged ledge]

Not as many as I should be. I've mainly been chipping at the Izik mountain. Otherwise we're actually pretty much up to date

[jagged ledge]

Alright, I just tweaked and approved your Dexdoku Entries. 👍

[boreal prairie]

Woohoo! Your first big day as an Unown!

A day that will go down in history, literally

[jagged ledge]

I mean every day is in history if you think about it. It's just what's talked about is the question lol

[boreal prairie]

Aw I thought trick-or-treaters would make it at least because we talked about the move haha

[jagged ledge]

Technically it would be permitted but given the other change it wouldn't be consistent. The entry originally mentioned multiple events but trick or treaters only go out on Halloween specifically. If we just say it scares trick or treaters without the establishment of multiple times, then that should be fine

[jagged ledge]

@narrow cosmos I would like to change It's said there is no more pleasant sleep than one done while being cuddled by POKENAME.

To

It is said there is no more pleasant a sleep than one experienced while being cradled by a POKENAME

Is that ok?

[boreal prairie]

Oh also you know what's funny is right before I submitted the Fylgon/Bulbasaur I had the thought, "should I add something about sandstorms or something to make it more coherent" but then just shrugged and hit enter haha So that was funny to see the tag you put on there haha

[jagged ledge]

@south berry May I change eggs nesting on to eggs within the nest atop

Also I might suggest changing bitten to struck because the teeth on Monferno/Cloyster aren't the most pronounced.

[jagged ledge]

Well I mentioned it as a potential option before so I just committed to going through with it now

[boreal prairie]

Oh I actually might have missed that one and/or it entered my subconscious haha

[jagged ledge]

It's alright lol. The chat was very hectic yesterday

[south berry]

I'm cool with any changes, though the first edit makes the entry longer which usually brevity / concision is the golden standard

the second edit is in reference to Cloyster's snapping motion as an oyster, which technically really isn't a bite (I definitely agree on that point) but not sure if strike is the best word to capture the essence of its motion.

Neither edit is a hill I'm dying on though, however, so if you want to do those changes you have my blessing! 😄

[jagged ledge]

I'm going to be honest, I'm ok with flexing the character count a bit if it paints a better picture or reads better to the audience. As long as it doesn't go over the count, it should be fine.

Yeah, I agree clamp is likely a better term, but you used the word in the first sentence, so I might change the first instance to latch on to

[south berry]

yeah I think that works! I might also suggest "snapped at" now that I've pondered it for a second. Either way I'm happy with whatever edits you go for!

[jagged ledge]

Also your Ninsteel should be good to go imo

Aside from the edit I'm waiting to hear back from SK on and the izik mountain, we are now up to date on entries!

[jagged ledge]

Should I reveal my special surprise unofficial Dexdoku template as a reward?

[south berry]

do eeet

[jagged ledge]

Hmm... sure, consider it a special preview/motivation for future entries.

The theme of this special Dexdoku Preview is... ME!

[fair thicket]

but you already bulbed!

[jagged ledge]

(My first big entry-writing project was Bulbasaur/Kanto fusions, I'm an Unown now, my favorite Pokemon is Gliscor, so Ground, Flying, and Dusk Stone, and my favorite type is Poison. )

[fair thicket]

uhhhh bulb, Sesame Street brought to you by, magic book, Flying, dark stone?, thinking with portals?

[jagged ledge]

Do Bulbasaur bodies, do Ivysaur, do Venusaur, do any region other than Kanto.

[jagged ledge]

[fair thicket]

are they ground and poison?

[jagged ledge]

Yes lol

[fair thicket]

which game's icons are those? i'm most familiar with the ones used in GO

[jagged ledge]

ScarVi

[fair thicket]

is she related to ScarJo? /dumb joke

these are the ones I'm familiar with 😌
no idea what the Poison one is supposed to be. brass knuckles?

[boreal prairie]

do you do top row is the heads or the side column is the head?

[jagged ledge]

I think a skull

[jagged ledge]

I do top row heads but your call on your form.

[fair thicket]

okay, i asked in a different server and they also said skull, so you may be right XD

[jagged ledge]

Yeah lol

[boreal prairie]

It is the skull on koffing

[fair thicket]

meanwhile me thinking it's these guys

[jagged ledge]

I can see it lol

[fair thicket]

oh my god you're right

[boreal prairie]

on the infinite fusion wiki the page with the stone evolutions has snubull's icon for gligar lol

[jagged ledge]

I noticed the same thing yeah

[boreal prairie]

My selection for tomorrow
Bulbyba 1.165
Unfree 201.12
Trapgar 392.207
Ivydreavus 2.200
Unkrow 201.256
Krookblade 361.328
Venuspede 3.424
Unnat 201.48
Sandyplume 459.45

(provided they don't have entries already)

[fair thicket]

"You activated my trapgar!"

[boreal prairie]

Unown head sprites are pretty cool

[jagged ledge]

Ooh sounds like a great selection. Let me check the sheet.

[jagged ledge]

Yes is they have an Entry, No is empty

Yes
No
No
Yes
Yes
Yes
No
No
No

Wait I missed one somewhere

[boreal prairie]

Pretty much most Bulbasaur have entries though right?

[jagged ledge]

Not entirely but specifically Ledyba does

[boreal prairie]

who runs infinitefusiondex we need to petition them to include dex entries haha

[jagged ledge]

Good question and agreed

[boreal prairie]

Wow the whole dusk stone section is taken!

[jagged ledge]

Apparently, yeah

[boreal prairie]

It is a more narrow pool. I'll find new ones in the morning!

[fair thicket]

https://discord.com/channels/302153478556352513/1170955211922223205

[fair thicket]

here's daena as well, btw: https://discord.com/channels/302153478556352513/1110705913574203402

[dire silo]

Much as I have discovered with the questionable objections to some of my submissions and subsequent discussion thereof a little while ago, there is indeed an aspect of this disagreement that stems from differing interpretation of the rules, which is exacerbated by the vagueness of the FAQ, such that both for my own entries and for many others I have a problem with the frequent application of FAQ 9 where it seems to be using appropriate language, especially when there are parallels to Game Freak entries (I mention this as an example, not to return to arguments over the FAQ and submission form at present), and so I shall not continue to be as active around here or go out of my way to contribute further entries, unless they happen to occur to me readily as I am playing the game and come across fusions without custom entries, since I have standards and an approach to writing that apparently do not resonate harmoniously with the stylistic agenda for the custom dex. However, there is also a level of theoretical disagreement. I object to your interpretation and application of terms such as “metaphor” and “cliche.” I also have taken creative writing classes, by the way, and in fact I have a degree in English. I saw nothing remotely objectionable, to put it simply, in the “cliche” language you criticized, and thus I sought to defend it from the implication that there was something wrong with it. It is one thing to say, “This is not the sort of entry we are seeking,” though such a response can be annoyingly arbitrary and sometimes narrowminded, but to cite objections to the text as “cliche,” especially when it is not clear why you have read something as “cliche” and not “metaphorical,” can be taken as a criticism of the writing itself. If it is shorthand for more nuanced points between people who are familiar with each other’s approaches, then I may have missed something, but I was responding to the texts that I saw in the public chat.

[boreal prairie]

I want to make it clear that I am not in charge of entries, submissions, or the FAQ at all, was just offering my advice and suggestions as a fellow lay-dex writer, and a rather new one at that. You've spilled a lot of ink on this message so I won't respond too hastily right now as I'm going to bed, and will return to it in the morning.

[boreal prairie]

However, I do encourage you to go find the messages again, where I specifically define cliché how I was using it and explain how I don't think they are "bad," and directly address my realization that people might have an assumption about the connotation of that word that I don't intend.

[boreal prairie]

So, I want you to know, that the reason I engage with you is because I feel you have a lot of creative ideas, and I think it would be good for this project to benefit from them. You clearly have an expansive vocabulary that you like to use, something that I don't think many people genuinely appreciate like I do.

It might be counterproductive to say so, but I get the sense that you often find feedback does not exactly meet you on your terms. Trust me, I know what that feels like, for it to seem like people are reading what they expect and not what you've written.

However, an important shift in my journey as a writer, was accepting that all writing is collaboration. If only between you and the reader, you simply cannot truly write alone. When you scream into the void, the world is the same as if you said nothing at all.

Once I accepted this, I learned to accept feedback much more graciously. To receive feedback is to write. Editing is writing. Revision is writing. Rejection is writing. Because all those things means you've been read, which means you did not scream into the void.

This also leads to the second key step, which is, learning how to ignore all that. Sure, today, I lingered a little long on Wildheart wanting to edit my joke, and I wasn't just trolling or wasting his time, but part of me gave up the fight before I even really started it (or, rather, around the second message, really). He is the editor (the unown), I am the writer, he wins. I wrote, he read, we are the authors. That is the nature of collaboration, which is the essence of writing.

But guess what, I still wrote what I wrote, it didn't die because Wildheart edited it. And now, one day, maybe someday will read our collaboration too. That's the juice.

Do I expect this discord message from some wordy jerk on the internet to speedrun a shift toward a love of editing, not really, but, maybe it is just something you and anyone who reads this can think about.

My insomnia is not going away so, I will pretend again to try and go to sleep. If I do so successfully, I hope you forgive me if I don't respond until morning.

[dire silo]

I did read those messages. It’s not background connotations that bothered me. I think, to put it simply, I have a very different understanding of philosophy of language than that which is implied in your challenging the presence of “cliches” in that particular entry. While I am not going to tell scientists specifically how to run every aspect of their laboratories, I do have a serious problem with the generalization of scientific language as normal, natural, or literal language as opposed to metaphorical language.

[dire silo]

I also mostly disagree with your philosophy of writing, at least as far as I’m concerned, though I sort of get where you’re coming from, and there is an intersubjective dimension to writing, as it is the expression of language, which works intersubjectively, but that does not necessarily negate the priority of the subjective individual. Pursuing that angle could get somewhat technical rather quickly, though.

[spare garnet]

... Why unowns have no colors 😠

[craggy beacon]

porygons are just goated im afraid

[jagged ledge]

Orange IS my favorite color, I wouldn't say no to an Orange name...

[craggy beacon]

there was a suggestion made for unowns in #discord-suggestions
may wanna go weigh in

[jagged ledge]

Hi, I don't mean to extend the point beyond what's necessary, and if you have any interest in a follow-up discussion, I think it might be best for us to take it to DMs, but I would like to weigh in on the issue for a moment.

No published writer is without an editor. It says nothing about their ability or character or style, it's just that sometimes it helps to have a different perspective or know the audience.

I deeply and truly apologize if the nature of responses has not been to your liking, please understand that we are only so many volunteer staff members given a set of rules trying to go through thousands of entries. But I promise you, we are still learning and always looking to improve.

That being said, as I said before, while I appreciate your style of writing, your vocabulary, and your ideas, saying that it's a different style or objective than what the game is aiming for is not meant to be personal or discouraging.

Trust me, I am actively going to be working on communicating compromises and clarifying FAQs, your requests have been heard and I will genuinely take them to heart. But at the same time, there is a process that every entry goes through for review.

If you want to continue writing entries, I would be happy to try and communicate more with you about the rulings and process, but also you need to understand where we are coming from when we offer you edits.

As I said before, it's great you have this creative mythological brain, and I want to encourage you to use it, but you also need to consider the formatting and audience/intention of the game you're writing for. If you want to be a creative voice, I am here to encourage you so that we can find a way to implement it through compromise, not just shut it down. But if you have no desire to continue, I also understand and genuinely wish you luck on future endeavors as I can recognize your passion and talent.

[dire silo]

Okay, I have decided: I shall not continue to involve myself here. It is condescending to tell someone basic facts as if he is a child. I have tried repeatedly to articulate my points, and they mostly have been misunderstood. Do you really think I’m so stupid that I don’t know what an editor is? If a publisher rejected Harry Potter before Scholastic eventually decided to publish, no amount of reasonable editorial logic is going to provide solace to the company that missed out on that opportunity. Writers are already treated like dirt in most industries, so they really don’t need your patronizing explanations for why they would be better if only they humbled themselves before anonymous committees that have displayed dubious logic and provided unclear guidelines. I appreciate your attempt at encouragement, but I really wish everyone here would just shut up with trying to teach me about things I have spent my life studying and reflecting upon, having given up many opportunities and spent much time and money in the pursuit of higher education and culture. As I have said repeatedly, I recognize that I have a different vision of what constitutes good writing than the editors, and while there are tricky cases of nuances of style, I still feel confident in my knowledge of writing to disagree, but beyond that, there are also cases that are simply wrong.

[jagged ledge]

I'm sorry, it was not my intention to patronize you. I agree that writers need to be treated better. The purpose of my post was not meant to dismiss you or accuse you of anything, and I am truly sorry if it came across that way.

[jagged ledge]

Also for what it's worth, I genuinely consider your writing good. The reason I offered to work with you on a compromise is to encourage you and help you find your style of entry within the game's logic and style. I want to fix the FAQs. I want to better communicate things and find more voices. But if it is too late, I apologize and understand.

[narrow cosmos]

Sounds A-OK to me.

[jagged ledge]

Thank you!

@south berry I changed

Lure Pokémon and people alike to itself

To

Lure in people and Pokémon alike.

But otherwise it's accepted.

@sonic tusk I love your Venonat/Slowking entry

@sonic tusk

41(Zubat).5(Charmander)

-It gets its nutrients from rotting plant-matter using its poisonous vines.

Is this for the right sprite?

[jagged ledge]

90.461

It wanders the seafloor longer for small mollusks to eat

Do you mean longing?

I rephrased your Mr. Mime/Rapidash to say

Happily giving rides to children around colorful tents but otherwise, that entry and all of your others I haven't mentioned here have been accepted.

[fair thicket]

🫰 Grandeur! that's the word I was looking for. not "gravitas"
🤔 Not sure I want to do passive voice, but it does work here to emphasize the target and curse.

Intruders who disturb POKENAME's peace will be hypnotized into crafting odes to the grandeur of this Pokemon and not released until it has received poetry to its liking. Unfortunately, its criteria is unknown and it doesn't seem to bless its victims with any additional poetic talent, as one victim scrawled out the lament "Pity poor poetaster provocateurs!"

🤔 so this one's far too many characters, but it communicates the gist of everything I want to get across. This leaves the next step to be concision without losing any key details

- botherate it and it makes you write paeans to itself
- if you suck as a poet, good luck
- I definitely want the testimony in there - it's 35 characters
- mention of not knowing what criteria it uses to judge, to appease the FAQ about understanding human speech. maybe it uses psychic powers to read intent. maybe it just likes meter. no one knows

oh 🤔 lemme see about transcribing those FAQ questions I brainstormed the other day

suppose sharing a google doc might be the best way to not spam up the channel?

[fair thicket]

here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LFvnRL4NlNe7BcTv8kBhYNgzKWB97JKekVBPkT8AZUc/edit?usp=sharing

[jagged ledge]

Give me like 5 minutes and I can look over that

[fair thicket]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ means I don't know what the answer is/there might be some specifics I might not know of

like in "how do i indicate a collab?" i know the answer is "write both your names", but I dunno if there's a formatting you like, such as using an ampersand

(i'm also not fully sure if not having a google account won't let you access the form? i think i tried on mobile and ran into issues, so I brought it up just in case)

mostly i wrote the faq as questions i might have to ask in one place

[jagged ledge]

So the accepted/rejected going uncommunicated issue is usually because of the number of entries, but especially now that that we're pretty caught up aside from the izik mountain, I will be making a more active effort to communicate unapproved entries or edits, and I know at least a few of the other Unowns have been trying to ask more questions and give more responses. So for that one it technically depends, just know that any entry that doesn't have an issue will probably be accepted, even if it's not brought up here immediately when it happens.

[fair thicket]

🤔 want me to make the sheet commentable/editable?

'cause it's just a wip for inspiration purposes

[jagged ledge]

Up to you, I'm just communicating my answers to your questions where I can.

[jagged ledge]

If you are actively aware of a mistake in your submission, you have two choices: Ping an Unown and see if they can fix it for you or resubmit with the corrected information and ping an Unown to let them know about the replacement.

If there is a mistake in the entry you didn't catch (missing a comma, typo, etc.) But the rest of the entry works, an Unown will edit it for you as they go to submit it. If it's something like a sprite number mistake, they will check with you to make sure it's the intended entry.

[fair thicket]

since the document is public, i decided to err on the side of caution and allowed for commenting instead of full edit permissions
i don't think we'll get trolls, but just in case

[jagged ledge]

Technically, according to Ziggaway, we want to avoid too many collab credits because the Unowns are not exactly sure how those credits would work as we are still working on in game credits at all, and technically we advise not including Unown edits made in this chat as writing credits as it's just part of the job and would prevent us from approving that entry as opposed to having edited it directly or signed off on it in this chat (see what I said to Ozy before.)

So there is no formal ruling on collab credit formats because we don't want there to be too many collab credits right now.

[boreal canyon]

Would it be possible to have a look at the dex ?

and sorry to "cut" the chat

[jagged ledge]

My personal guideline for joke entries (not an official statement, matter of opinion/advice) is that they should be comedic due to the nature of the scene or descriptions, not overly complicated to lean too far into the joke that it loses cohesion or structure.

See my Unown self-fusion entry for example. It reads like a scientific report, but it uses simple wordplay in the description to convey the comedy.

[jagged ledge]

My main question is why maasive, but also probably shield of water would be more correct. The second sentence looks good, but fall doesn't read quite right even if I think I understand what you're going for.

[boreal canyon]

wdym with "maasive" ?

[jagged ledge]

How do you find an Unown?
~~Complete a puzzle at the Ruins of Alph ~~

But no seriously, I think you just gotta ping the ones you know. I personally will try checking in at least once every couple of hours

[fair thicket]

i feel like shield of water would already imply massive, as shields are meant to withstand blows
fall in this case likely means smth along the lines of or die trying, I bet? 🤔

[jagged ledge]

Well that's what I'm asking you lol. The sprite doesn't seem that big, but the shield doesn't seem that big compared to it.

Yeah exactly

[boreal canyon]

yes for the die part

[fair thicket]

but no seriously, perish might be a good replacement for "fall" here

[jagged ledge]

Do not quote me on this but I believe Paya said that as long as the file number doesn't change it's fine.

[boreal canyon]

nah, my question is : wdym with maasive, i've only wrote massive x)

But in all seriousness, they just form a huge water shield with their psychic power (so they are water benders), but i wanted to use massive to suggest there's a lot of water

[jagged ledge]

Oh. Lol

Sorry I accidentally fell asleep for an hour so I'm still a little groggy

[jagged ledge]

If spriters want to contribute ideas, they can. It's just that they have to come here first like Term or Hero, there's not really a Dex Concept section of the gallery, but maybe there could be a notice to spriters to let them know to talk here if they want to give suggestions or requests.

[jagged ledge]

And I feel like the specifics of caveats and guides would fall under that rule as well

[jagged ledge]

Technically yes with Infinite Fusion Dex if the code is physically in the game, but Daena is the more official database so that is the preference.

[regal cedar]

This cheerful little guy needs an entry! Time for today's unofficial warm-up! Try and come up with an entry for this Togekiss/Krokorok.

https://www.fusiondex.org/269.410/

[broken raven]

POKENAME uses the protective membrane of its eyes to seek those in need of peace and blessing. It avoids unnecessary strife.

sorry if the format's off this is my first time attempting a dex entry!

[fair thicket]

Chonky
Thicc
~~don’t listen to me ~~

[regal cedar]

Not bad! I would like to know more about how the membrane lets it seek those in need. Just better sight to spot from afar?

[fair thicket]

It’s got dumb dweeb glasses maybe they put a sparkle filter on those in need of love and acceptance

[broken raven]

Got it. how about this?
The protective membrane covering its eyes allows it to see even in the dead of night. It uses this sight to seek those in need of peace and blessing, and avoids unnecessary strife.

[fair thicket]

🤔 krokorok’s entries are about it needing heat, being able to see in the dark, living in groups with a female leader
Something about seeking the warmth of joy, perhaps?

[regal cedar]

I think what's there is good enough for me, personally!

[fair thicket]

I’ll do an alt entry, then

[broken raven]

lol

[broken raven]

I see what you mean now about the heat. I was basing mine more off of older entries rather than the newer gens

[fair thicket]

There can be multiple entries. Check out the dialga/stunfisk, for one

[broken raven]

true

[fair thicket]

:nodnod: i like giving the dex entries a gander for ideas 😌

There might be a synergy it’d be criminal to leave on the table

[fair thicket]

This absolutely flucking dweeb has a protective membrane around its eyes that puts a sparkly tik tok filter around those in need of hugs. It lives in a group where they swarm malicious interlopers with love and acceptance en masse into their gd care bear pile.

i'm being silly again

[broken raven]

why cant this be a real dex entry loll

[fair thicket]

too many characters

[broken raven]

unrelated, but idea for kyodonquaza triple fusion entry because it needs one:

Having shaped the world as we know it, POKENAME lords over the earth, sea, and sky. Its might is unparalleled, for even Arceus itself cannot master its sheer power.

[fair thicket]

Malefactors that intrude upon a den of POKENAME will be swarmed en masse and smothered in the warmth of love and acceptance until they succumb.

"we're gonna love and tolerate you to death!"

[broken raven]

n o

[fair thicket]

that's what bees do to invading hornets look up "thermo-balling"

[jagged ledge]

I apologize, I fell back asleep again.

[jagged ledge]

Sorry, we're not really accepting triple fusion entries at this time due to them being coded/sorted differently

But welcome to the channel!

[broken raven]

thats ok!

[quartz wharf]

and what is this room for ?

[jagged ledge]

We write custom Pokedex Entries for the game!

[quartz wharf]

oh thats kinda cool

[jagged ledge]

Thank you!

You're welcome to join, we could always use more help

[quartz wharf]

cause i think my poor trevenant/roselia dont have a description 😔

[quartz wharf]

thanks but i dont think i would be good at that

[jagged ledge]

Allow me to check the spreadsheet real quick.

[quartz wharf]

maybe im wrong tho

[jagged ledge]

It currently does not have an entry.

[quartz wharf]

aw

my favorite pokemon

😔

[jagged ledge]

That's ok, practice makes perfect and you're welcome to share concepts for entries you want to see

[quartz wharf]

so how am i supposed to do, should i mix the description of the two pokemon ?

[jagged ledge]

Well that's how you can start, but I would recommend trying to find something unique to the sprite. How do you picture this fusion specifically operating and going about the wild?

[quartz wharf]

ok wait minute i will see what i can think about

is it possible that you show an image of the fusion since i cant have the game rn ?

[quartz wharf]

weird its not the one i have

[jagged ledge]

Do you have Trevenant/Kirlia?

[quartz wharf]

wait a minute, maybe ill be able too launch the game

[jagged ledge]

Ok no worries, take all the time you need

[jagged ledge]

Huh. One second.

Oh ok it's Roselia/Trevenant, that makes sense.

[quartz wharf]

so lets see

it can be dark ?

[jagged ledge]

To a degree. No gore or overly descriptive violence. Try to tone down words like kill

[quartz wharf]

of course of course

mmh, it kinda look like a fusion no ?

[jagged ledge]

Yup

[quartz wharf]

ill think of something

[jagged ledge]

Sounds good!

[jagged ledge]

Btw did I miss anything from your questions?

[quartz wharf]

is there a specify way to tell the description ?

[jagged ledge]

Well we ask entries be between 100 and 250 characters (including letters, spaces, and punctuation.)

Usually about two sentences, but that's not a hard rule. It should apply to species behavior and read like a Pokedex entry.

[quartz wharf]

ah shit i didnt read the rule in the other room sorry

[gentle frost]

Hm, the question is if I can come up with a dex entry that fits both my alt ref sprite and the actual one lol

[quartz wharf]

now thats incredible !!!!! well done !!!

[jagged ledge]

Alts can have different entries!

[quartz wharf]

can we use the original name of the pokemon to do the desc ?

i mean in the desc

[jagged ledge]

We ask you use POKENAME as placeholder text as that will be picked up by the code and fill in the fusion's name.

But if you want to describe it as a type of Roselia, then you can say Roselia

[quartz wharf]

okkkk

cuz maybe i have an idea

[jagged ledge]

Also with reference sprites, we ask them to not be overt references, but a summary of parallel behavior.

If you want to write for a sprite based on Mario, instead of just saying "Wahoo, it's-a Pokemon, Mario!" Say something like "This Pokemon enjoys traveling through pipes and eating mushrooms."

[quartz wharf]

so it will not necesserly be well written since im french but well..

[jagged ledge]

That's alright, that's why we have an editing process! To help communicate and sort ideas!

[quartz wharf]

Nickel

"POKENAME appears when a wild Roselia take control over a Trevenant body. This pokemon loves to scare people when they are lost in the wood." something like this but better

i know its not good but its my first time.

[gentle frost]

I wasn’t sure of the rules about making entries for reference sprites, but was thinking along the lines of
“POKENAME soars at high speeds through the atmosphere. Despite its dense composition, it flies faster than a fighter jet”. Both the mech and togekiss fly so it could conceivably fit both methinks

[jagged ledge]

So real quick, we don't technically know how fusions exist in the wild, so we can't directly describe how the fusion forms directly. We can imply or say rumors about how it happens though.

So maybe something like

It is said that lost spirits take root within malevolent Roselia until they grow into POKENAME. They scare people lost in the woods, seeking revenge for the destruction of nature.

[jagged ledge]

Also no worries! Practice makes perfect. Everyone starts somewhere.

[quartz wharf]

perfect

[fair thicket]

🤔 the last four?

Q: Can I submit multiple entries for one sprite, or will they get overwritten?
A: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Q: How does spriter priority work for entries? If I see a spriter's entry is Approved, should I just not bother submitting an entry for that sprite, or will all entries be available, just the spriter’s entry is more likely to display?
A: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Q: What is the sweet spot for character count?
A: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Q: When do accepted dex entries end up in the game?
A: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[quartz wharf]

next one in line

[jagged ledge]

Thanks!

[jagged ledge]

Ok so you can submit multiple entries for the same sprite and entries for ones that already have existing entries, but the duplicates will be low-priority. They will randomly alternate in the game, but we're trying to spread the word about adding a toggle

[boreal canyon]

imo a spriter's dex should have priority, but that's just a me thing

[fair thicket]

it does, but i just don't know how the priority is determined

[fair thicket]

Hi Amity

[quartz wharf]

amity ?

[fair thicket]

she's gardevoir/muk, right? or the other way around?

[quartz wharf]

yup

[gentle frost]

Actually, since the alt sprite of my reference includes the Gundam pilot, I could even make it a bit more overt lol
Despite its dense composition, POKENAME soars faster than a fighter jet. They often form a partnership with humans and allow them to direct their flight.

[quartz wharf]

damn who is this fusion ?

[gentle frost]

Togekiss / Registeel, it’s a reference I made to Gundam G fighters Domon Kasshu and God Gundam

[quartz wharf]

oh waw

btw, how did you do this effect on your text ?

[fair thicket]

had to trawl through the wiki for a good ref image
Meet Amity Blight from The Owl House

[gentle frost]

You have to put ` before and after the text to make it appear the same.

[quartz wharf]

`ah yeah ?

ah sheiss

[jagged ledge]

If a Spriter's Entry is already approved, that is the official entry. Having a secondary entry approved is possible, but even lower priority than a regular duplicate. The reason for this is if we have a lot of entries piled up, we will prioritize looking over new entries before entries that have already been filled. Plus then we will need to make sure it doesn't repeat and fits as its own entry, so it still will be reviewed and potentially accepted, it just will take longer to approve.

I don't think there's any logic on when which entry is shown in game, but in the future, if there is a toggle, I imagine the spriter entry would be shown first.

[gentle frost]

Anyway, thoughts on this entry in terms of both for the main and reference sprites?

[quartz wharf]

ah yeah ?

[quartz wharf]

it really is her ?

[jagged ledge]

Firstly, alts can have individual sprites

[quartz wharf]

alts ?

[jagged ledge]

Alternate sprites

Sorry I'm juggling two different conversations with two more in the peripheral lol

[quartz wharf]

no dont worry

am the one bothering

concentrate on skilled persons first

[fair thicket]

🤔 lessee

POKENAME uses its psychic powers to control the ooze that envelops its body. It can harden this ooze into a protective coating or even animate some of it into a separate minion to do its bidding.

phrasing needs edits, but I think that's enough so people who go "Holy shit is that Amity Blight?" will feel recognized

[jagged ledge]

No it's totally fine!

[jagged ledge]

I think that should be ok?

[gentle frost]

Just have to wait for the sprite to actually be put in the next sprite pack then, I was just brainstorming in the meantime

[jagged ledge]

Sounds good. You actually did a pretty good job with the reference rules on your first go. 👍

I just felt bad cuz I think my attempts to explain got lost at first lol

[jagged ledge]

Just so you know, there already is an entry for this sprite, but I think the second sentence especially is different enough to be accepted.

[fair thicket]

oh! d'oh

[jagged ledge]

Actually the first sentence is probably different enough too by nature of mentioning the sludge being part of its body.

Also using ooze instead of sludge

[fair thicket]

oh, and it's muk/gardevoir, so it's a Fairy type 🤔 i mean, i guess it's a gardevoir so it still has psychic powers?

[jagged ledge]

It's a Gardevoir, it still has psychic powers lol. You're good.

[jagged ledge]

The sweet spot for character count depends from person to person and frankly entry to entry. The only limits are the 100-250 rule. If you need 249, you need 249. If you can get it done in 101, you can get it done in 101.

[fair thicket]

thought i saw someone say shorter entries look better
or something

[jagged ledge]

I mean they look nicer on one page... if you're looking for a "technical" answer, I know Izik's early entries especially lean towards the 170/180 range, but I say ideas before limits on this one. We added the second page and expanded the character count for a reason, why force yourself to trim beyond what's necessary? Also at the same time, why force yourself to keep writing?

The only character limit I will enforce/stand by is the official one.

[quartz wharf]

Oh naw i had an idea

[jagged ledge]

And as for the last question

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[quartz wharf]

Lol

[fair thicket]

thought so

[jagged ledge]

As soon as Frog uploads them.

[quartz wharf]

Who is frog ?

[jagged ledge]

Developer

[fair thicket]

dev

[quartz wharf]

Oh

I feel dumb

[jagged ledge]

It's ok. I always feel dumb

[quartz wharf]

Oh

[quartz wharf]

Lol

[jagged ledge]

Wait

He's back from hiatus!

[boreal prairie]

Wildheart now that you are unown can you get my writing tip into the pinned message

[fair thicket]

no insulting yourself! for all you knew, he just was saying his name was "Dev" 🤷

[jagged ledge]

Which one and let me see if I have permission to do that

I don't think I have permission to do that

[fair thicket]

do you need a color role for that
is the discord discrriminating against unowns again

[sacred patio]

He’s no longer on indefinite hiatus!

[jagged ledge]

Idk maybe

[quartz wharf]

So for my gardevoir muk, i was thinking of something like :
"This cruel pokemon like to bury is opponents under poisonish mud. It is said that the mouth on his lower body can Whisper your future but this is all just mytho" although there is a lot of ortographe errors i guess.

[boreal prairie]

Well it what have to be in the message edited by frog so I'd assume only he could do it (maybe an unown should create their own so he wouldn't have to keep being bothered about it...)

[fair thicket]

to just pin a message?

[jagged ledge]

Huh?

[boreal prairie]

There is a message already pinned with tips

[jagged ledge]

Yeah. I don't know who did that

Probably Frog himself

[boreal prairie]

this would be the tip: #dex-entries-discussion message

I hope if it is pinned it would severely cut down on many of my concision edits lol

[quartz wharf]

Was are you talking about ?

If it dont disturb you

[jagged ledge]

I mean it's a fairly helpful writing tip... but also sometimes people just don't read pins.

[boreal prairie]

I'm asking if we can pin a message I wrote with some advice for concision.

[quartz wharf]

Oh thanks a lot

[boreal prairie]

More people read them than scroll through pages of discord messages. And it can be pointed to more easily of it is pinned.

[fair thicket]

This cruel Pokémon likes to bury its opponents under poison mud. According to legend, the mouth on its lower body can whisper your future.

Grammar edits and addition of the phrase "according to legend" (but hey, maybe your version is a welcome reworking of the cliche)
comes to 138 characters, so you have space for another sentence, if you want

[jagged ledge]

True

[fair thicket]

yeah, but if someone's asking for tips, we can just tell them for some advice

especially if more get added

[quartz wharf]

Dont have more idea and thank you a lot

[jagged ledge]

Makes sense

[boreal prairie]

I'd write more but not until I know they can be used again basically. I was waiting to hear from frog cause I thought he would have to edit his message for it

[fair thicket]

it's your entry. do you want to submit it/do you want me to submit it under your name?

Oh, and does everyone else prefer According to legend or It is said that ...[stuff here]... but this is all just myth.?

The latter's growing on me as a spin on the cliche, but I dunno if it'd get axed for tone or smth

[boreal prairie]

I definitely doesn't need to say its a rumor on both sides of the sentence, but the phrasing I think is fine if you pick one of the three.

[jagged ledge]

It's all just a myth... a GAME MYTH.

[fair thicket]

guess I'll go with the first. i think the lastmost only makes sense if it has the part at the start (otherwise, it could be confused as saying the whole entry is just myth rather than merely the second sentence)

[fair thicket]

Altius? You gonna submit it under your name or do you want me to?

[jagged ledge]

Depends on the context of the entry

If it is something that would have legends about it, the first one.

If it's a playground rumor or ghost story, the second one

[fair thicket]

this one

This cruel Pokémon likes to bury its opponents under poison mud. According to legend, the mouth on its lower body can whisper your future.

vs the original

This cruel Pokémon likes to bury its opponents under poison mud. It is said that the mouth on its lower body can whisper your future, but this is all just myth.

[jagged ledge]

Well for starters, I would say poisonous mud, but the first one would be preferred

[fair thicket]

a'ight.
now i just gotta know whether @quartz wharf is gonna submit

i guess if they continue not responding i'll submit it under their name

[jagged ledge]

Oh also @quartz wharf Please submit under the name "coldenx." Just so we can find your Discord Username even if your server name changes.

[fair thicket]

so that's two already with an entry
i'll go dig up two without as penance

thanks random fusion page on daena

okay, that took four tries
lemme check if it has an entry
https://www.fusiondex.org/360.435/

🤔

Presumed to be a compost heap given life...

where from there

whimsicott pranks, leaves cotton all over the place, rides, the wind, can't fly away if it gets wet

garbodor eats trash, creates poisonous gasses within itself, shoots that liquid from its right arm

Presumed to be a compost heap given life, POKENAME leaves decaying plant material in its wake. It seems to think this is a funny joke.

feels awfully short, but i kinda like it as-is?

it's also kinda bare, though

Presumed to be a compost heap given life, POKENAME scatters decaying plant material beneath it as it rides the wind. It seems to find the hazards it causes amusing.

alright, added.
now for the second penance

ooh nice 41.114 already has an entry!

[jagged ledge]

I mean if you're looking for prompts...

[fair thicket]

😔 PIF has no honor
https://www.fusiondex.org/327.498/

[jagged ledge]

[fair thicket]

🤔 i think i can do ideas for diglett/snorunt, but the design seems like it's drawing from references i don't recognize
https://www.fusiondex.org/50.427/

like, tilling frozen soil is an idea right there

It is said spotting a POKENAME is good luck. This is because it is especially equipped to till soil enveloped in permafrost. Farmers sometimes make little shelters to attract them.

🤔 was thinking of a tradition of "fairy houses" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairy_houses

but i don't know if we can use that phrasing here. it might be a bit obscure

Spotting a POKENAME is good luck in cold regions. This is because it is especially equipped to till soil enveloped in permafrost. Some traditions have farmers' children build small shelters to attract them.

that last sentence is mushy

Folk tradition is that farmer's children build small shelters to attract them? still kinda mushy, but i think having "folk" in there is fine

i don't want to say "farmers' children traditionally" because i want to indicate this is a fun hobby and not a whole ritual thing?

[jagged ledge]

Yeah makes sense

[fair thicket]

Farmers' children have even developed a pastime around building small shelters to attract them?

that feels even mushier

Farmers' children make a pastime of building small shelters to attract them.?

[boreal prairie]

Farmers' children build small shelters to attract them.

start there and embellish

[fair thicket]

Farmers' children build small sheltlers to attract them for funzies.

Spotting a POKENAME is good luck in cold regions. This is because it is especially equipped to till soil enveloped in permafrost. Farmers' children make a pastime of building small shelters to attract them.

current status

[boreal prairie]

make a pastime isn't really a phrase imo

im sure it has been said but doesnt seem natural

[fair thicket]

do an activity

https://tenor.com/view/avatar-the-last-air-bender-anime-sokka-activity-gif-17773923

wait. wouldn't "make a game of" be the same thing but better?

Spotting a POKENAME is good luck in cold regions. This is because it is especially equipped to till soil enveloped in permafrost. Farmers' children make a game of building small shelters to attract them.

boom 😌

[boreal prairie]

Folk tradition holds that to spot a POKENAME is good luck in cold regions because it can till soil frozen in permafrost. Farmers' children pass time by building small shelters to attract them.

make a game is good

[fair thicket]

penance achieved 😌

[jagged ledge]

But

But

Dexdoku

[jagged ledge]

@shut tundra Please note entries need to be over 100 characters

@valid hill 45.9b does not currently exist on Daena or Infinite Dex. Do you have the right number?

@frank cedar Would it be alright if I change your credit in you entries to Pankiwi so that it is easier for us to identify you in case your server name changes

[nocturne shadow]

44.55.png
As POEKNAME swims, its honey-like drool can be smelled from a mile below sea level. Though fishermen hate the smell, the drool works as an excellent Bug-Type attractant for potential bait.

[jagged ledge]

So it baits the bait

[nocturne shadow]

218.420.png
POKENAME's lava courses through its system, leaving it exposed to the elements. When out of its habitat, it hardens into a dense shell similar to a Stunfisk of another region.

428.368.png
POKENAME’s icy tusks will freeze any moisture that it touches. This makes being in close contact with them dangerous as it can freeze its trainer instantaneously.

[nocturne shadow]

Exactly

[jagged ledge]

I think there may be issue describing a Pokemon bleeding out

[nocturne shadow]

I mean, fair, but spoink

And Slugma's blood is already lava

[jagged ledge]

I will review with other Unown

[nocturne shadow]

I can change it if its really that bad of an idea

[jagged ledge]

It might be a safe bet.

[nocturne shadow]

Ok. Any ideas? I still wanna keep the "lava being its blood" part as that is literally Slugma's entry. Other than that, I'm stuck.

[jagged ledge]

Hmm... well why do they release lava outside of their habitat? How does the lava effect the other environments?

[nocturne shadow]

Maybe "POKENAME's lava courses through its system, leaving it exposed to the elements. When out of its habitat, it hardens into a dense shell similar to a Stunfisk of another region"

That work?

[jagged ledge]

Let me check the approved tab real quick

Yeah that should work I think.

[nocturne shadow]

Maybe saying it is its blood is a bad call as I though it said that, but it says it just "runs through its circulatory system"

[jagged ledge]

No worries

[nocturne shadow]

Ok. Haxorus and Glalie one good too?

[fair thicket]

could do "is necessary for their survival" if you need to be vague enough

my main objection is Seeing POKENAME not in their natural habitat are extremely dangerous for them.
seeing them outside their habitat isn't dangerous for them. them being outside their habitat is dangerous for them.
🤔 so it's just a matter of rewording to make that clear

oh, you changed it, lol

[nocturne shadow]

Yeah, the "bleeding out" part was a bit too much, so I made it get a shell like galarian Stunfisk

[jagged ledge]

I think it works

[frank cedar]

Sure! But I already have a ton of entries already under the name Kiwi clown, so I figured I'd stick with that but if it's easier this way I'll change it

[jagged ledge]

Oh I can do Find and Replace

But trust me, I get it. Technically my "Discord username" is Wildheartrazorfangs and I used to submit with the space in my server name

[jagged ledge]

Wait, actually, you're already approved a lot under Kiwi Clown... I'll check with the other Unown before making that decision.

But thank you for your permission, I'll let you know the decision

[hexed fog]

Goldeen and golem heads are in

Added to the izik mountain

[nocturne shadow]

146.120.png (Redo)
If POKENAME’s trainer throws it into a starry night sky, POKENAME will fly similar to a shooting star. The further POKENAME is thrown, the more POKENAME will listen to its trainer.

[jagged ledge]

[jagged ledge]

Ok keeping it as Kiwi Clown is fine. 👍

@pine moat I would suggest trimming your entry down to

POKENAME makes nests near lava pools, diving in to search for food. Its body temperature is hot enough to melt rocks on contact, so it is advised to avoid petting it.

[pine moat]

Okay, what about just exclude the "diving in to search for food" part?

Should I submit it again?

[jagged ledge]

Up to you. How would you rewrite it?

@fair thicket Can I change "halos" to "illuminates"?

[fair thicket]

sure ig

[jagged ledge]

Thanks.

The entry is approved

[jagged ledge]

What do you think of changing

is good luck in cold regions. This is because

To

is considered good luck in cold regions because

[fair thicket]

uhh, what's the full entry look like again?

[jagged ledge]

This one

[fair thicket]

think i was reading a lot of canon dex entries and it seemed to fit the tone more ig you can change it if it won't make the sentence too long

[jagged ledge]

Idk. I could be wrong but it feels a bit abrupt to me. I could bring it to review with the other Unown first if you would like.

[boreal prairie]

". This is" is nine extra characters that doesn't add much. because already means this is because

I went to the store because I needed milk.
I went to the store. This is because I needed milk.

Exact same idea

[sacred patio]

Day 2 requesting custom entry writer roles for us

[jagged ledge]

Why here

Go to general, go to suggestions lol

[sacred patio]

But that’s no fun

[jagged ledge]

Everyone here agrees with you but can't do it lol

[jagged ledge]

Ok then do both lol

[sacred patio]

Exactly!

[sacred patio]

[boreal prairie]

Doesn't it need to be in the discord suggestions channel

[timid sky]

I’m pretty sure people have suggested it before actually

[sacred patio]

Multiple times

@fervent quail