dex-entries-discussion

[jagged ledge]

Random kid standing next to a POKENAME: Watch this! I'm going to become a lightning rod!

[narrow cosmos]

He's just trying to be more like his Rhydon

[jagged ledge]

But Rhydon is a Ground Type

The kid is... a Normal Type?... Human Type?

[hexed fog]

flesh type

[narrow cosmos]

Also what constitutes Mythical vs. Legendary in Poke-context here?

[hexed fog]

soon to be ash type

[narrow cosmos]

Ghost type now

[jagged ledge]

Oops

[jagged ledge]

He'll become the protagonist

[jagged ledge]

Mythical = Event Legendary like Mew or Deoxys

Here's my version

[narrow cosmos]

Some say POKENAME was created by a civilization that worshiped Dragonite as protector gods. When it fires a destructive Hyper Beam from its arm, the dragon's roar can be heard.

[jagged ledge]

These are amazing! (My instinct is to use a word I don't normally use and I don't want to make a habit of saying on a public Pokemon server, but can be abbreviated as BA )

[narrow cosmos]

I'm glad you like it! Golurk allows for cool combinations. (Although I so often have to kind of "cheat" with ideas by having a lot of it be legends to skirt around the "try not to suggest artificial creation" rule in the FAQ.

But it's ancient legends, everything was magic, a god, or part of some mythical story, I guess. )

Don't think mine would look as clean if I tried it. Yours is too high quality, mine wouldst be an embarrassment of amateurish copy-pasting of images over the template.

[jagged ledge]

I feel that. I have a really cool Kangaskhan/Golurk on my current playthrough and when I was writing the entry I was panicked like "Don't make too many direct statements. Don't make too many direct statements!"

[hexed fog]

Badass?

[jagged ledge]

Yeah lol

[hexed fog]

Lol

[jagged ledge]

I mean read the entries, it's a fitting word lol

[jagged ledge]

Hey the sprites are copy/pasted and just given semi-organized textboxes. You don't have to get as fancy visually, it's just a way to sort/guide a batch of entries.

[jagged ledge]

You should try the Dexdoku too

[hexed fog]

Lol maybe tomorrow I'm in bed

It's almost 10. Imagine staying up late on a work night

[jagged ledge]

Fair enough lol

[jagged ledge]

Uh I don't have a formal job and my sleep schedule is atrocious lol

[narrow cosmos]

It is thought that POKENAME may possess perfect memory of the times when it lived among a lost civilization. Thus far none have chosen to communicate these secrets of their ancient origins.

I feel like the wording's a bit hinky here but hopefully you get the gist

[fair thicket]

🤔 going back and forth on keeping "it is said"

hmm "of its life among" instead of "the times when it lived among"?

[jagged ledge]

Wouldn't it be none thus far?

[fair thicket]

so the hope is that these alalurk can help archeologists and historians by regaling them with firsthand accounts of life during that time, but they've just kept mum, right?

[fair thicket]

both work, but i'll put my hat in saying that "none thus far" sounds cooler

[jagged ledge]

I think there needs to be a comma after far in the current version

Thus far, none or None thus far

[narrow cosmos]

Yeah, essentially. They're thought by historians and whatnot to be one of the only remnants of insert civilization here, and might possess perfect mental records of life and history back then, but so far haven't divulged anything for their own reasons.

[jagged ledge]

Arlurk sweating in the corner trying to hide the fact they just teleported in there on the wrong day

[fair thicket]

🤔 "the times when it lived among" makes it sound like it's a time-travelling tourist, heh

[fair thicket]

lmao

[jagged ledge]

Like "Uh... I TOTALLY know about this ancient temple you found me in. I just choose not to tell you, yeah!"

[narrow cosmos]

"It is thought that POKENAME may possess perfect memory of its life among the lost civilization it originated from. None so far have chosen to communicate these secrets of their ancient histories."

Might put a "supposedly" in there before originated

[jagged ledge]

I do think it reads a bit better in the edit

[jagged ledge]

If the character count allows it that could work

[fair thicket]

i know i told you to put "its life among", but now I'm wondering if you just eschew that and have "possess perfect memory of the lost (ancient?) civilization"

[narrow cosmos]

So far so good, one nice thing about the submission form is it immediately tells you when an entry grows too long.

Not if it's too short though.

[fair thicket]

i guess it depends whether the intention is specifically about it giving firsthand accounts vs an overview?
i might be going off in la-la land, though, heh

[narrow cosmos]

"It is thought that POKENAME may possess perfect memory of the lost civilization it supposedly originated from. None so far have chosen to communicate the secrets of these ancient histories."

I might add an "If so," in front of "none so far," but not sure it's really necessary.

[fair thicket]

"Tell us about the ancient Olmec!" vs "Tell us about your experiences with the ancient Olmec"

looks good to me, though i think i'm getting loopy from the lack of tablet

[wind sphinx]

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As their bodies are nearly impervious, wild POKENAME will settle territorial disputes by locking their sturdy antlers and bashing heads until one breaks the antlers of the other. This process can take several hours.

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POKENAME generate a powerful static charge that they use to hover above the land. Since they are carried by the wind, several trainers have been electrocuted after making contact with a POKENAME that was blown off-course.

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POKENAME are able to sense and understand the emotions of others. If it detects hostility, it will prepare to release a horrible toxin from its horn.

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With its large, developed ears and the ability to detect the aura of others, it is nearly impossible to avoid detection by a POKENAME. It will attack at the first sign of danger.

[fair thicket]

I love the last two

[jagged ledge]

I don't think I have ever had an entry that was too short

[fair thicket]

i think "impervious" is the wrong word here? i feel like it's always used as "impervious to" something
sorry about that. i hit enter too soon

[jagged ledge]

I do think that's interesting, because it adds another level of not knowing

[narrow cosmos]

Imagine being the historian trainer that has one of them on its team, knowing that thing might know enough to make breakthroughs in history that would make you famous, but it ain't sayin' shiz

[fair thicket]

i wonder if you mean "nearly indestructible"? Regardless, hmm
so the antlers are the main part of their body that isn't as strong compared to the others, and so they often break?

[wind sphinx]

I was struggling to find a way to say it that wasn't too wordy, indestructible seemed too forward

[wind sphinx]

I figure the antlers are the weakest link so to say, still sturdy enough to take hours to break

[fair thicket]

gotcha, gotcha, hmm

[jagged ledge]

I will add to this by saying I also like the second one a lot. I do like the idea of the first, it just does need a bit of work.

[wind sphinx]

I'll workshop that one a bit more

[jagged ledge]

No worries! Take all the time you need, we're here to help

[fair thicket]

(by second and first, do you mean the two riolu ones?)

[fair thicket]

179.197
Think the "since" is throwing me off as not quite right. they're not given shocks because the mareepoids are carried by the wind, but that... mareepoids off-course present a hazard, i think?

[jagged ledge]

Second as in Mareep/Hoppip, First as in Aron/Stantler

[wind sphinx]

I’ll see about adding something like “blown off course by a sudden gust”

[fair thicket]

As their armored bodies withstand all but the strongest of attacks, wild POKENAME settle territorial disputes by locking their comparatively-weak antlers [until those of one combatant break?]. This process can take several hours.

Not sure about character count, and it does put focus on the weakness of the antlers rather than them being just slightly-less strong, and "withstand all but the strongest of attacks" feels like a pokedex cliche, hrm

[fair thicket]

ooh, POKENAME blown off-course by a sudden gust present a hazard to unwary trainers [and have been attributed to several fatalities idk]

wait no i'm using "attributed" wrong

[wind sphinx]

For the lairon/stantler I may move back on the concept and take inspiration from lions who shed their mane after losing

[fair thicket]

okay, i'm definitely too loopy to help beta-read 😅

[fair thicket]

aw, i liked the idea of deer butting antlers except more excruciating
you do you 😌

[narrow cosmos]

It is assumed POKENAME were created by an ancient civilization to serve as caretakers for the sick. It creates egg-shaped medicinal capsules from within its body that are thought to combat any disease.

[terse tide]

I made a few tweaks to the Aron/Stantler one for you: With bodies armored to resist even the fiercest blows, wild POKENAME resolve territorial disputes by locking their fragile antlers in a tense struggle.

Oh forgot the hour part give me a sec

[fair thicket]

Do you want "fragile antlers" or "relatively fragile antlers"? It's your entry, after al-

oh wait no it's Alumed's entry, mb

[terse tide]

Oh I thought it was yours... mb

[fair thicket]

XD well, Alumed has another option to evaluate, then
what you've currently written comes out to 150 characters, so plenty of room for another sentence 😌

[wind sphinx]

YES THANK YOU

[south berry]

An elusive warrior that stalks the night, it is almost incomprehensible how its massive form can remain undetected at all, yet few ever catch glimpse sight of POKENAME until it is too late.

[wind sphinx]

As their armored bodies can resist all but the fiercest blows, wild POKENAME will settle territorial disputes by locking their relatively fragile antlers in a struggle until one yields or its antlers break. This process can take several hours.

Mapip:

POKENAME generate a powerful static charge that they use to hover above the land and travel using the winds. Several trainers have been electrocuted after making contact with a POKENAME that was blown off-course by a sudden gust.

[jagged ledge]

✨

Both look great

[narrow cosmos]

It becomes very emotionally attached to the egg-shaped stone it carries. It cannot retreat into its shell while holding it, so it often gets hurt protecting its precious cargo.

[noble schooner]

For any Unowns currently present, I would like to make an update/replacement to one of my dex entries.

[fair thicket]

i just want to say (as someone had to tell me once) electrocute implies a fatal shock, as it's a portmanteau of "electricity" and "execute". Are we talking deaths or just injuries?

[jagged ledge]

I genuinely didn't know that

[terse tide]

Thats interesting

[wind sphinx]

Huh, i was aiming for injuries but I wanted somthing above shock

[jagged ledge]

Electrocute order 66

[fair thicket]

merriam-webster does say "kill or severely injure", so there could be some 'technical vs colloquial' definition going on there.

[wind sphinx]

Although whats a pokedex entry without a little question as to how dangerous a mon is?

[jagged ledge]

Gotcha

[terse tide]

So true

[jagged ledge]

True!

[noble schooner]

and there is something to discuss

[fair thicket]

isn't paying attention while hiking and gets zapped to death by a tiny airborne lamb of tartary

[jagged ledge]

"An Amphapluff flew into town on a breeze. Dozens are dead."

[noble schooner]

is there a way to ping the Unowns here...?

[jagged ledge]

Izik is asleep I think

@regal cedar Seems to be online

[noble schooner]

isn't there multiple Unowns?

[fair thicket]

have to dig them up. there's gonna be a pinned post (hopefully soonish) that lists them

[noble schooner]

noted and thank you

[fair thicket]

@small nest @ebon warren are the other two i know of

[regal cedar]

what's up

which one

to what

[jagged ledge]

I was right

[fair thicket]

'sup. we got an unown-directed question from Merc here

[jagged ledge]

👆

[regal cedar]

Yeah.

[noble schooner]

@regal cedar 499.78 was rejected due to referencing a real world constellation, which is fair enough i didn't know that was allowed... i wish to updated it to the following: "It gallops across the galaxy at incredible speeds, chasing after comets and meteors of which it eats. If one happens to see a shooting star followed by a second, it may actually be a POKENAME chasing its next meal."

[regal cedar]

Go ahead and resubmit it on the form.

[jagged ledge]

Wait, we can't reference constellations?

[noble schooner]

apparently not

[terse tide]

Aw man

[jagged ledge]

That's like half of the Palkia fusions

[terse tide]

Oh yeah good point

[jagged ledge]

Can we reference Pokemon-ified constellations?

Like Tauros instead of Taurus?

[noble schooner]

pretty sure you can

[jagged ledge]

Pyroar instead of Leo?

[terse tide]

A taurus constellation is cool

[noble schooner]

@regal cedar i've submitted the updated entry

[regal cedar]

👍

[jagged ledge]

I'm like actually invested in finding a compromise now. There are actively sprites that reference zodiac constellations lol

[noble schooner]

but there was another thing i wanted to discuss... might be a little tricky to explain

[regal cedar]

In general, it seems constellations usually refer to a Pokémon, but I might want to check in on what our official answer is on that.

Fun fact, there are official Zodiac.

[noble schooner]

the constellation i referenced was Monoceros

[narrow cosmos]

It charges the stone it carries with small amounts of electricity before rubbing the stone against weary people and Pokémon. This electric massage helps to soothe and stimulate sore muscles.

[jagged ledge]

Are we talking the Black/White Zodiac or a 1 to 1 of the real world Zodiac?

[noble schooner]

@regal cedar you able to hear me out?

[jagged ledge]

So the Rhyhorn Constellation

[terse tide]

Oh crap there is official Pokémon constellations...

[regal cedar]

What on? It seems the entry was revised if it is submitted.

[noble schooner]

irl its the unicorn

[noble schooner]

no no this is for a different issue

[jagged ledge]

The Rapidash Constellation

[regal cedar]

B/W Zodiac. Zodiac =/= constellation, though, necessarily, so I still wouldn't take it as 100% OK as a constellation yet.

Okay, give me the details

[terse tide]

Now I want to write a dex entry with a Pokémon constellation lol

[fair thicket]

so gonna make it a rhyhorn? 👀
edit: man this chat is fast

[jagged ledge]

Well what do we do with things like this?

[terse tide]

Its just a cool symbol with no meaning!

[jagged ledge]

[fair thicket]

it's clearly the symbol of cantankerous aliens that created the universe

[noble schooner]

@regal cedar 196.483 and 196.484 were both rejected because i used a word that does not exist. They both link to one another and... well i think that's a little odd since in the entry for 196.484 i had written "leading to it creating what researchers refer to as “Solfire.”" implying it's a placeholder or temporary name to refer to it. due to this when i saw the notes of "solfire is not a word" i was like "i know? i wrote in the first entry that its refered"

[noble schooner]

it wouldn't make sense for the sprite it was for

[fair thicket]

ye, so rapidash, then, like Wildheart suggested?

[noble schooner]

feels a bit too on the nose... it's ok i've altered it

[regal cedar]

One entry requires reading another to learn what Solfire is. In addition, while some Dex entries do invent new words, such as the scalchop and seamitar, senior Unowns advised against allowing the creation of new words to not set a precedent that might get out of hand.

[terse tide]

Uh oh, found two more

[fair thicket]

there should be a guideline somewhere about not having entries be too interconnected?
uh, @jagged ledge, you have your bulborb examples handy?

[noble schooner]

@regal cedar it's the same evolutionary line, once it evolves it would continue

Espeon/Braixen to Espeon/Delphox

[regal cedar]

FAQ 7, entries should try to be as standalone as possible

[jagged ledge]

No and they're in the old thread but I've addressed it before, one second

[noble schooner]

they... are?

POKENAME practices to balance out its Fire and Psychic abilities, leading to it creating what researchers refer to as “Solfire.” This “Solfire” radiates from its ears and wand. With how secretive POKENAME is, further study remains difficult.

POKENAME has achieved perfect equilibrium of its Fire and Psychic power. Its wand, now a staff, houses its “Solfire” in a crimson orb instead of in its body. Study remains difficult since scientists can’t get close to it without getting a migraine.

[jagged ledge]

The one issue is that if someone's hypothetically in a randomizer or messing with fusions or something, they could have a Espeon/Delphox without having had a Espeon/Braixen.

[fair thicket]

given the sheer amount of fusions, when they might be fused and when they evolve, it's not really a given that someone has access to the prevo's entry

[jagged ledge]

Connected references and implied relations are fine, even mentioning other stages of the line to some degree, but if something is introduced in one, it can't be used as the sole source for information on another.

[fair thicket]

🤔 shouldn't be impossible to find a rewrite, though the character limits are our enemy here

[jagged ledge]

Sigh Time to dig through the chat for my example.

@fair thicket Like I didn't directly state that the reason Bulbasaur/Electrode fusions are so happy to have legs is because they didn't when they were Bulbasaur/Voltorb fusions, but you can easily pick it up if you're paying attention.

Oh I copied the text not the link

[terse tide]

Lol

[jagged ledge]

One second again

#1201260356182483134 message

[noble schooner]

@regal cedar look i'm sorry if i'm coming across as stubborn but i did entries for all the sprites of the Delphox/Eeveelution lines and seeing one rejected for something i don't seem to fully understand and all the others got the green light... feels weird

[fair thicket]

here?

[terse tide]

He a big boy

[jagged ledge]

I prefer using the message link so you can scroll through the context and see follow-up links

[fair thicket]

:nodnod: understandable. forwarded messages don't show up on mobile for me, either

[fair thicket]

🤔 did you coin new words for the other eeveelution lines?

[noble schooner]

no

[jagged ledge]

Ok say you're watching the Pokemon anime and for some reason you missed a couple episodes. If Ash randomly throws out a Talonflame and you last saw him with a Fletchling, you'd be confused.

[ebon warren]

[fair thicket]

that seems like the explanation to me. 🤔 you get the reason for not having too interconnected entries, at least?

[jagged ledge]

If you start watching Bleach at Episode 100 you're not going to be able to follow any of the terms

[noble schooner]

but it makes too much sense. Sol referes to the Sun, Espeon is the Sun pokemon.

[fair thicket]

someone wanted an unown and i didn't know who was online, so i defaulted to all of them

[ebon warren]

I’m actually on break so I could respond

[noble schooner]

to be fair... Espeon was the hardest of the bunch... i had to make some kind of connection that referenced both halfs

[jagged ledge]

Yes, the issue is not inherently the word itself, it's the way it's described in one and not the other. By skipping the context of what Solfire is because people have most likely read the previous entry, it leaves the possible few that didn't confused on what Solfire is.

[fair thicket]

well, bobosmith01 is helping them - but while you're here, could you make it so both my golduck/trevenant sprites have the same dex entry? one's missing an "its"

[fair thicket]

might confuse them into thinking it's an official pokemon term, for one

[jagged ledge]

I don't quite know about that one but maybe

[noble schooner]

is the quotations not enough?

[fair thicket]

heh, see, i didn't get that. i thought it was tied to psychic and a fancy misspelling of "soul"

[noble schooner]

if it was ghost type Soul would work better

[jagged ledge]

I thought it was a reference to Blaze the Cat who also uses Sol for the reasons you listed.

[small nest]

We (the Unowns) did discuss this entry. It was rejected due to the combination of inventing a new word (which isn't necessarily off-limits but should be done sparingly) and the second entry referencing something that is only defined in the first.
The Sol reference is clever, but if it flew over our heads, I doubt players would get it either.

If it were my entry and I wanted to rewrite it, I would do something like this:

POKENAME practices to balance out its Fire and Psychic abilities, creating a unique form of energy that radiates from its ears and wand. Though researchers seek to understand this energy, POKENAME's secrecy makes further study remains difficult.

POKENAME has achieved perfect equilibrium of its Fire and Psychic power. The crimson orb on its staff houses a mysterious, blazing energy. The energy radiates migraine-inducing telepathic static, hampering researchers' study.

[fair thicket]

🤔 perhaps a different question is in order here - is the coining of the term "solfire" a key component of the idea you have, or is it something that can be written around?

[noble schooner]

which is a reference to the name of the sun

[jagged ledge]

Yes

[fair thicket]

[bites tongue to not draw attention to the verb disagreement, as this is a draft]

[noble schooner]

it was 3am at the time for me so i suppose i was struggling to find a way to make it unique whilst connecting the two halfs together... though the idea of a struggle for science to study seemed to work well at the time... looking at the two sprites may make that explenation clearer, it... was a tough one for me

[small nest]

what do you mean, my english skills makes my writing remains perfect

[noble schooner]

alright, that seems valid enough. i never ment to be difficult or cause a drama... i'm just really proud of it is all... i can try to come up with something else if it cant work as is

[regal cedar]

It's okay to give feedback if you think something is off, that is the point of this chat!

[fair thicket]

:nodnod: understandable, and a good idea for a dex entry
so if we can write around the term "solfire", that might work? or (since they said coining new words isn't necessarily a no-go), find a way to explain what "solfire" is in the second one?

[small nest]

I getcha, it really sucks when you put a lot of effort into something you're proud of and it gets rejected

[fair thicket]

what did you think about Lord Joostmeister's rewrites?

[small nest]

I've noticed some common complaints with how we reject entries (we missed a reference or allusion, the entry would make sense in a mainline Pokemon game, we could have just clarified with the author, etc.) and I do have a writeup with some responses. I just need to run it past the other Unowns.

[noble schooner]

that's why i wanted to discus it in case an explanation of where my thoughts were would clear it up

[noble schooner]

sorry i completely missed them at first sent. yes they are very good. i'm happy for them to be updated as such

[jagged ledge]

Yeah, I definitely think clearing up the FAQ communications and making notes of rejected entries to review formally, especially if the authors are normally active here, would help a lot.

[noble schooner]

@small nest i'm happy with the edits you proposed

[jagged ledge]

Like if you're going through someone's entries and approve 49 but something's wrong on the 50th, I think slapping an Unsure on it and talking it out could be worth it.

[noble schooner]

as someone that likes details... 250 characters is not your friend at all...

[jagged ledge]

Preach

[noble schooner]

250 words = hooray
250 characters = PAIN

[fair thicket]

gee, you think all this time on twitter would have prepared us all for this

i never spent much time on twitter

[jagged ledge]

Ok but at the same time writing 250 words each for 250,000+ sprites would be torture

[noble schooner]

twitter is nothing but a land of people that make other's lives worse

[jagged ledge]

Never made a post there, only viewed artists and game/show updates

[fair thicket]

new dex entry material
anyone got a sprite for it?

[noble schooner]

as part of the genshin/star rail community... its just stupid people making small issues into world war 3 starting phenomena (personal opinion but a passionate one)

[jagged ledge]

Uh hi I recently caught up to One Piece and I just can't engage with any fandom social media

[south berry]

maybe? haha

if you take its twitter to be its bird call

[noble schooner]

"this character's skin is 5% lighter than what we assumed? same sucks, rasict developers, get fired from your job and live alone on the streets." (sorry... been holding that vent in for far too long)

[jagged ledge]

Now make it blue

[fair thicket]

"POKENAME was created with the intention to teach people to say a lot in a few words. Unfortunately, the people didn't put in the effort and just got mad at each other"

[noble schooner]

again i apologise for being difficult about that pair of entries

[fair thicket]

wait, i just rewrote the Tower of Babel myth, didn't i

[fair thicket]

nah, i've been way more pigheaded. you're fine

[jagged ledge]

No worries!

We're all here to help

Now go try my Dexdoku template

[noble schooner]

if you missed my previous pings, you may update the respective entries with these edits whenever you have the oppotunity.

these were the sprites for those entries in question. hopefully this shows where i got the solfire idea from

if anyone was curious

[small nest]

I will resubmit the updated entries under your username, so that they won't be lost in a sea of already checked entries I see you submitted the last ones under Merc instead of your Discord username (merclipse), would you like me to use Merc for these ones as well?

[south berry]

forgive me if I'm a simpleton, since I've not practiced the art of Dexdoku before, but is the premise basically make an entry for each of the squares?

[noble schooner]

yeah i messed up that name thing ages ago... but it's fine since i just go by Merc now days anyway. all my other submissions used that tag

[noble schooner]

the real laughable issue is when i go to check if my submissions were approved or not, Merc is such a short tag that i have to sift through other texts that have those letters in them along with my entries. 😅

https://tenor.com/view/it-is-what-it-is-it-is-eet-eet-iz-iz-gif-17896182

[jagged ledge]

It's alright. I literally just made the first grid last night lol. Basically you find a sprite that matches the two traits from the squares and write an entry for it. So for the first grid you need

Grass Type Mythical, Dragon Type Mythical, Diglett/Mythical Fusion,

Gen 3 Grass Type, Gen 3 Dragon Type, Diglett/Gen 3 Fusion,

Grass Type with Levitate, Dragon Type with Levitate, Diglett with Levitate

I like to organize it/challenge myself to use the top row as traits of the heads and the side column as traits of the bodies, but it's not required.

[south berry]

gotcha! I assumed at least most of that, though I like the challenge of using the top as heads and side as bodies. Also serves as good motivation for me since basically the entries I'm doing are mons that I'm finding throughout a randomized playthrough so it encourages me to try different combinations

[jagged ledge]

I mean hey Randomizers are also good templates, I need to continue that theme myself lol

[jagged ledge]

But also thank you!

[south berry]

oh uhh, as a resident Canadian, is the preferred spelling American-English for entries?

I'm about to use the word "colour" in one of my entries and wanted to double check

[noble schooner]

as an Australian, an edit i needed to do removed the U so i'm leaning towards yes.

it will never feel correct without the U personally...

[jagged ledge]

I believe so

[fair thicket]

removing the u means one more character for the count

[noble schooner]

bUt Is InCoRrEcT

[south berry]

thanks!

can fusions be born from eggs? I'm writing an entry that references hatching out from an egg, but don't know if that's actually a thing

[fair thicket]

should be answered in the FAQ on the spreadsheet. can you see that or are you on mobile?

[south berry]

I did a quick check through the FAQ: the closest relevant entries I found were that Wild Fusion should kept vague and that it is widely known that Pokemon reproduce via eggs (but it's unclear to me if that is simply referring to pure-bred Pokemon or fusions)

[fair thicket]

🤔 true. my guess, looking at the two, is that it would count as "wild fusion" otoh, entries do refer to offspring sometimes
what's the fusion? togepi?

[south berry]

basically writing that its shell is actually the shell it hatched from

judging from the other FAQs about tumours and such I'm assuming it's probably going to be alright haha

The shell on its back is actually the one it hatched from, melted onto its back from the heat of its warm belly. The heat POKENAME emits is so hot that other materials its comes into contact with fuses with its shell, strengthening it.

[fair thicket]

my immediate critiques are that you repeat several words and phrases: "on its back", "the heat", "shell" (but that might not be as pertinent since that's the thrust of the entry)

🤔 maybe "melted onto its body"?

i want to reduce "the heat is so hot that" but i'm struggling to find a word, hrm

[south berry]

truuu, yeah that's a little redundant

[jagged ledge]

POKENAME emits enough heat to make other materials that it comes into contact with melt. It uses the molten material to strengthen its shell.

?

[south berry]

ooh sick

[jagged ledge]

Combine it with the first half and make sure it fits the character count and it should be good

[south berry]

thanks, I think that's a big improvement 🙂

[jagged ledge]

You're welcome, happy to help!

[ebon warren]

I can once I’m off work, I work away from home so it will probably be tomorrow when I get to it (I’m staying late, until 11:30, tonight )

[fair thicket]

take your time 😌 and good luck with the late shift!

lemme know if you might need a reminder. i could ping you at a certain time if you wanted

[ebon warren]

I’ll try to check my Notifications tab in Discord and find it, you’re good

[jagged ledge]

Not me already making a few new Dexdoku templates before I even finalize the submissions on the second one.

[boreal prairie]

(can't comment on the eggs for fusions question, but I personally feel like it should be fine)

The melted remains of the egg from which it hatched form the shell on its back. It melts [material] with its intense heat and fuses it with its shell, strengthening it further.

some concision/coherence suggestions. also some repetition clean up.

This was a tricky one, just because of the amount of prepositions needed. It isn't quite up to my own concision goals yet. I'll keep tinkering but need to hit send just to stop lingering.

could be the vagueness of [material] is making it harder to get something concrete...

also harder to imagine how a quadruped is fusing things to its bask. Maybe a better idea for combusken?

I guess Turtwig/Combusken is annoyingly not fire type

This might be legitimately the hardest concision suggestion so far... That's impressive lol

Attempt 2?

The melted remains of the egg from which it hatched form the shell on its back. Objects that melt from contact with its ambient heat can fuse with the shell, strengthening it further.

There you go, best advice I can offer!

[timid sky]

The second sentence is relating to Ninetails ability to curse people who touch its tail. More specifically, it curses people to attract lightning

[ebon warren]

It curses them to become a lightning rod, that makes more sense thematically. I’d change the entry so it focuses on the victim of the curse drawing lightning towards them wherever they go, and I’d remove the number and the “if you survive” bit as they are distracting. Make the curse and its effects the meat of the entry, not the lightning itself.

[fair thicket]

Oh, that's easy! you will be cursed to become a human lightning rod. Bing bang boom 😌

[fair thicket]

I personally think the original has the snappiness and wtfery of canon dex entries (once the curse part is clarified). If they want to rewrite, sure, but I think having all these ideas thrown at you rapid-fire is a fun part of this entry that I'd hate to lose

[timid sky]

I am thinking I want to remove the "if you survive" part, but I can't think of another way to start that sentence

[fair thicket]

"The rare survivors are"? or are you trying to eschew that part entirely?

I think what Ziggaway is suggesting for a rewrite is something more like uhhhhh

Those foolish enough to touch the tails of a POKENAME will be cursed to draw other bolts of lightning.

uhhh "A peaceful blue sky will soon fill with thunderheads," smth smth? I don't know where the second sentence might go but something like this, i think

[timid sky]

Maybe I can say that they become incapacitated from the initial jolt of lightning and then when they wake up they're cursed to attract lightning

[fair thicket]

🤔 what makes you want to remove the "if you survive" part?

[timid sky]

Less of a focus on death and more on the curse mainly.

[fair thicket]

so you want to give more space to the curse and its effects, then

[timid sky]

Grabbing one of POKENAME's lightning bolt shaped tails will result in you getting blasted by 100,000 volts of electricity and becoming incapacitated. Once you awake, you will find that you have been cursed to become a human lightning rod.

[fair thicket]

"Grabbing one of POKENAME's lightning bolt shaped tails will result in you becoming Shenandoah park ranger Roy Sullivan"
fixed /silly

[timid sky]

@hexed fog can you change it to this?

Or any other Unkown that's available

[hexed fog]

I can later im working atm sorry 😦

[narrow cosmos]

POKENAME's steel shell is near impervious, protecting its evolving body within. Its massive four claws will rend apart anything that attempts to disturb its evolution process.

I find it slightly amusing I've had a number of decent goes at Kakuna fusions of all things.

[narrow cosmos]

The four fangs within its mouth are retractable. It uses four wings to swoop quickly and engulf prey whole, before the fangs extend and pierce from all sides, skewering them and drinking the blood that flows forth.

What appear to be claws on each limb are actually additional fangs, capable of biting and absorbing blood. As long as even one of POKENAME's points punctures a foe, it can feast on them.

This one's a bit out there but I really like the concept I came up with.

[fair thicket]

dangert, i feel like there's a way to reduce "It uses four wings to swoop" because... duh? There are only four wings and what else do you use wings for?
I assume you're going for something where the four wings allow more dexterity in the air?

[narrow cosmos]

Yeah, trying to imply that at least, as a little more Metagross influence there. Though I feel some canon Pokedexes have contained redundancies like that.

I already submitted that one, but maybe it could be adjusted with something like "It's four wings let it maneuver quickly and" or something to that effect.

[fair thicket]

's legit

[narrow cosmos]

Mew's unique DNA allows POKENAME to change any part of its body into that of any other Pokémon while in combat. These chimeric combinations allow it to create unbeatable offensive and defensive forms.

[fair thicket]

man now i want you to continue the c alliteration in the second sentence don't do that that'd be distracting

"These chimeric combinations can create-" darn, i don't think there's much in the way ofc-words for offense and defense. at best i'd have internal alliteration ig
"These chimeric combinations can create combative and protective configurations."

[narrow cosmos]

I'm a fan of alliteration myself but all things in moderation. One I didn't share had a minor case of it, "an amphibious apex predator of prehistory."

[timid sky]

did you mean to have that much text crossed out?

[fair thicket]

yes, because that much alliteration at once would be a terrible idea XD

[timid sky]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-walter-white-bryan-cranston-coward-disappointed-gif-4024901

[fair thicket]

see, the problem is it'd be under SK's name 😌 So i'd be setting them up to take the fall rather than asserting my own alliterative affection

now, give me a 'mon that has an SCP-like effect of forcing everyone who observes it to speak in poetry and then I'll throw my oar in

🤔 well, when it comes to "compelled speech" i think unown and hypno, and 97.201 doesn't yet have a dex entry, so...
https://www.fusiondex.org/97.201/

POKENAME spins spells on surreptitious spectators. 

though i should probably start with the pokemon name itself as the alliteration seed
though h is a terrible character for alliteration

Hovering HYPOWN hex heedless [something] with alliterative affection. Intellectual alterations endure until individuals produce poetic paeans to this Pokemon. Prevent poetaster [interaction] or perish!

🤔 affectation instead of affection, perhaps?

and unless instead of until, because it's the softer glides that are being alliterated in the middle there

🤔 Intellectual alterations endure unless press-ganged poets produce paeans praising this Pokemon? not press-ganged. that makes it sound like you need to go out and grab one

i mean, could be "impelled". that kinda works as a transition between the two

Intellectual alterations endure unless impelled poets produce paeans praising this Pokemon - nah, without a word like "these impelled poets" it still makes it sound like you need an outside entity

Hovering HYPOWN hex heedless humans with alliterative affectation. Intellectual alterations endure unless impelled persons produce poetic paeans to this Pokemon. Prohibit poetaster prodding or perish!

would be nice if there were a similar transition word between h and al

coin the word "houdinian"

hex heedless humans to harbor is good, but it doesn't fix the transition word problems 🤔

[boreal canyon]

Any help with the dex ?

[fair thicket]

well, my immediate question is to ask what an underwater path is

[boreal canyon]

a path that is underwater x)

[fair thicket]

🤔 you mean something like underwater caves that can only be accessed by diving?

[boreal canyon]

yeah

[fair thicket]

😌 aquatic sableye
🤔 or maybe they tunnel in

[timid sky]

A fusion between Sableye and a water Pokémon?

[fair thicket]

They won't hesitate to give a firm pinch to any Sableye that comes to close.
about the first sentence, though...

[boreal canyon]

i'm afk for a bit, reunion

[timid sky]

Are there any water Pokémon that prey on Krabby?

[boreal canyon]

[fair thicket]

POKENAME live in underwater caverns inaccessible by normal land routes. might be redundant, but

[timid sky]

POKENAME live in caverns beneath beaches, accessible only by diving

Maybe

[fair thicket]

POKENAME live in underwater caverns inaccessible by normal land routes. Firm pinches from their claws dissuade Sableye from getting too close, and they won't hesitate to do the same to larger treasure-hunters.

i.e., difficulty to access doesn't mean an untapped treasure trove, ya greedy bastards

[timid sky]

Term's afk anyway, we should probably wait til he comes back

[fair thicket]

Eh, I figured I'd give them a version to at least look at

I'd guess they posted before going afk to give us time to brainstorm 😌

[boreal canyon]

i'm still "here" but don't have time to read xD

[upper loom]

@boreal canyon I set your AFK: busy in a reunion

[fair thicket]

in the meantime, help me prove my non-cowardice
#dex-entries-discussion message

i need a word that means "interloper" that begins with h and transitions to an al sound, if possible

[timid sky]

I don't think that word exists

[fair thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/swiper-dora-man-oh-man-gif-4392994

[spare garnet]

what's the fusion? 😮

[jagged ledge]

Mew/Metagross I think

Also hello chat

[narrow cosmos]

Mew and Metagross, yeah. 😄

[weak osprey]

Hey guys! Sorry I've been awol the past few days. I'm catching up on my responsibilities but I hope to be posting more entries soon

[boreal canyon]

like it

[noble schooner]

Hi... me again... i need to talk to an Unown about another none aproved entry for a reason i don't fully understand the reason for

[jagged ledge]

No worries, real life comes first!

[noble schooner]

462.250 "Aurora Borealis is pretty specific to Earth, I think." please... elaborate

[fair thicket]

🤔 perhaps the specific "borealis" (since that's the northern one and "aurora australis" is the southern)?
i would expect the aurora phenomenon would be apparent in the poke-verse, especially since there's a 'mon named after it

but i'm not an unown, so these are just speculation

[jagged ledge]

Auroras definitely happen on other planets, bare minimum Jupiter.

[noble schooner]

then wouldn't simply removing that word be the solution?

i interpreted that as "auroras don't exist in the pokemon universe" however... there are the moves Aurora Beam and Aurora Veil. Suicune is the Aurora pokemon. and there's a real dex entry for Aurorus (which is the head of the fusion) that states "It's said that when this Pokémon howls, auroras appear in the night sky."

how?

[fair thicket]

also just searching "aurora borealis" shows five other approved entries that use it. so some unowns are getting their wires crossed

lessee what else they say...

Sightings of this mythical Pokémon date back 3000 of years in the coldest parts of the world. But it's possible to have been alive much longer. It's said that POKENAME lives within a permanent aurora borealis. No such phenomena has been discovered.

Aurora Borealis is pretty specific to Earth, I think. The second sentence feels extraneous, or should be combined into another. In addition, it is not a complete sentence. "it lives in an aurora" an aurora happens with solar energy. i think it fits for a myth. Overall, I just think this entry is saying way too much. I like the general ideas here, however.

[noble schooner]

if the issue was the wording that's fine. but that first part just seemed... i don't know the right word without coming across as rude

[fair thicket]

"Bizarre and confusing"

[noble schooner]

no...

the word used for someone who can't speak

[fair thicket]

🤔 do you want to workshop the rest of the phrasing now or wait for an unown to give their feedback before so?

[noble schooner]

i could certain try to makes some attempts but i just... do not agree with that first statement

and i don't want to be disrespectful of course...

[fair thicket]

neither do i. i went through the spreadsheet and found five approved entries that mention the aurora borealis, so the statement's just silly.

damn, i don't know how to tell who's on right now. @regal cedar? we got a question from Merc here

[noble schooner]

the addition of "i think" too is just... come on

[timid sky]

So your entry got marked as "unsure" because you mentioned auroras? That's wack

[noble schooner]

not "unsure"

[fair thicket]

marked Not Approved, but it wasn't just the aurora.

[noble schooner]

again. if it was a writing issue alone there wouldn't be a problem

[nocturne shadow]

Yeah, that works! Sorry for the miscommunication and lack of engagement. Been moving back into college and having some fiancé stress

[fair thicket]

for some of the other criticism, evidence suggests instead of it's possible to have been. i'd also suggest changing the latter two sentences to Legends say POKENAME lives within a permanent aurora borealis, but no such phenomenon has been discovered. (maybe changing some wording to make it clear that permanent auroras haven't been discovered, not that auroras themselves haven't been)

[jagged ledge]

Uh... look at #event-announcements

[fair thicket]

i saw that. what of it?

[noble schooner]

are you freakin kidding me?

[jagged ledge]

They literally are looking for Pokemon that hide in auroras right now, aside from maybe the aforementioned borealis part, why would they be so nitpicky about the auroras in this entry?

[noble schooner]

that's Auroh, the fusion this entry that got declined is about

[fair thicket]

exactly.
like i said before, there are five Approved entries that mention the aurora borealis specifically

[jagged ledge]

Wait, you even had a secondary flying type?

[timid sky]

Whelp, time to riot

[fair thicket]

maybe @ebon warren is on?

[timid sky]

Really wish we could @ the role

[ebon warren]

[jagged ledge]

I wouldn't go that far, it's just that there needs to be more communication.

[nocturne shadow]

343.380.png (Redo)
Using its claws, POKENAME can rip through the fabric of time to create wormholes leading to the past or future. Occasionally, POKENAME partake in an interdimensional game of Tag with Celebi.

[ebon warren]

What’s happening?

[noble schooner]

i'm about to have an emotional stress overload that's what's happening...

[fair thicket]

Merc's entry got rejected with weird commentary as to why
#dex-entries-discussion message

[noble schooner]

feels like a massive middle finger to me

[jagged ledge]

Merc made an entry about Aur-Oh, Aurorus and Ho-Oh, and part of the reason it was rejected was for Aroura Borealis, which has been mentioned in entries before. Now the elusive Pokedex event seems to be asking for designs and entries that match the description of Merc's rejected entry.

[noble schooner]

no - in its name but yeah

[fair thicket]

More specifically - the writing criticism they don't mind, but the opening comment was bizarre: Aurora Borealis is pretty specific to Earth, I think. - five Approved entries mention the aurora borealis by that name, so what's going on that this unown thought it was worth mentioning as a ding against the entry?

[boreal canyon]

you can submit it if you want

[gentle frost]

Breeeeeathe, you got this man

[jagged ledge]

Oh I thought all Ho-Oh fusions had that feature, my bad.

[jagged ledge]

Don't worry, we got you. It's going to be ok.

[fair thicket]

prefixes, but not suffixes
flashbacks to Agatha's Muoh

[jagged ledge]

Gotcha

[noble schooner]

you know what's funny? i was checking the submission doc for a different issue and that's how i came across this which is arguable even worse

[nocturne shadow]

189.249.png (Redo)
POKENAME scatters seeds with every flap of its wings. These seeds help grow new Grass-Types and heal those that have been wounded. These seeds are prophesied to turn wastelands into lush forests.

[ebon warren]

I think it was just to save time, the entry above that I saw had a lot of grammatical issues and a sentence fragment, but aurorae exist on any planet with an atmosphere that can be ionized by cosmic radiation. Case in point: https://www.nasa.gov/image-article/saturns-auroras/

[noble schooner]

so why is it an issue?

if it's a phenoma that isn't exclusive to irl earth... why "Aurora Borealis is pretty specific to Earth, I think."

[nocturne shadow]

154.9a.png (Redo)
In ancient times, this Pokémon was deified as an almighty protector because of the illuminated markings on its shell. When POKENAME sleeps in empty fields, vibrant gardens grow around it.

[noble schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/can-someone-please-explain-neil-degrasse-tyson-startalk-please-explain-please-explain-to-me-gif-22234315

[jagged ledge]

If the Unown isn't sure of a fact that plays a role in the logic of an entry, they should mark it as Unsure. I understand that taking time for every single Unsure entry would slow down production to a degree, but it's worth it in the long run.

[ebon warren]

I can’t comment for others, and to be clear I haven’t seen this entry until now so I didn’t review it, but I know that many people aren’t terribly familiar with astronomy in general, and extraterrestrial aurorae are pretty niche.
That being said, this entry needed a lot of corrections even if it were marked Unsure, so we can review and correct it here and then you can simply resubmit. I can Approve it when I get home

[fair thicket]

yeye, i think Ziggaway is trying to figure out what happened and get back to you. 👍 grab yourself some tea. we can get back to you.

[jagged ledge]

Yeah, I'm saying that is an example of what they shouldn't do and we should learn from this for the future.

[noble schooner]

and this "exclusive event" is it for Auroh? because if it is... horrible timing

[jagged ledge]

Yeah, that just feels like it adds insult to injury on the whole mess.

[nocturne shadow]

336.369.png (Redo)
POKENAME flies at mach two, matching speeds to even Pidgeot. When it maximizes its energy output by using its energy boosters, its propulsive power quadruples.

[fair thicket]

nah. i think you're misreading "Elusive Pokedex" as "exclusive"?

[jagged ledge]

I mean either way it is unfortunate timing

[fair thicket]

but otherwise, yeah. bad timing.

[ebon warren]

Exclusive event? The Elusive Dex one?

[noble schooner]

i am not exactly calm right now so errors will happen... yes, elusive

Auroh is the fusion for Aurorus and Ho-oh, head than body respectively. it's Rock/Flying and i'm pretty sure it can use Aurora Veil

[fair thicket]

:nodnod: ye. like i said, no need to stress yourself out right now. Current steps are to figure out wtf happened and how to avoid it happening again. Go get yourself something to drink or eat and come back after you've taken care of yourself. We're on your side here.

[noble schooner]

"not recorded yet" it has actually, 6 days ago which was declined for partly an odd reason

sorry if that came out as rude... i'm just... a lot of things atm really

[ebon warren]

I do want to clarify, having a Dex entry Denied doesn’t mean you can’t resubmit it with minor changes or corrections, either.
I think this one would have benefitted from a Needs Grammar Fixes label more personally, but resubmitting is always an option, a Denied doesn’t mean you can never make any entry for that sprite again.
Like I said, it needs corrections, so redoing it would’ve been my suggestion originally anyway

[fair thicket]

absolutely. It's clear you're undergoing a lot at the moment, and this was one of the things you could get some clarity on, so it makes sense you'd come here.

[boreal canyon]

Can i help or not ?

[noble schooner]

yes but if i didn't happen to be checking for a different issue, i would of never realised this was even there

[fair thicket]

It would be nice to get notifications on accepted or rejected entries. Especially rejected or unsure. I know the unowns are working on the FAQ, so i think this is one of the things they'll take into account when they convene on that

[noble schooner]

speaking of which can that be tweaked really quick? I messed up the number of the sprite so it's been tagged as "no sprite yet" the number says 407.446 when it should be 407.466

[fair thicket]

@ebon warren just so you see it^

[noble schooner]

and again with the "elusive dex entry" if it IS Auroh... there's already sprites for it, two actually. and the one i did an entry for was by iaobug and naomi_the_dj and it's amazing

[fair thicket]

do you have access to the channel? 🤔 #event-announcements message

[noble schooner]

yes

[fair thicket]

cool, cool. you read the description and all that?

[noble schooner]

look i don't know at this moment. i looked at the submission page and I would do a submision but there's this part here which i can only believe if for a sprite YOU have made. and since this is not my sprite i can't do that

[fair thicket]

they got a whole list of possible pokemon, don't worry. you're not all competing for auroh #1240773622612889681 message

[noble schooner]

yes i know it may not be Auroh but geez the description is almost deliberate...

[boreal canyon]

Elusive Dex =/= Here

Elusive Dex is an event for spriters that have to make a sprite and a dex, then they get feedback for both their dex and sprite, then, when the sprite is in the game, they can rework submitted dex with the feedback.

Here, it's just : choose a mon, do a dex.

Also, Elusive Dex are mostly planned so they aren't targetting you if that's what you fear

[fair thicket]

submitted, btw

[boreal canyon]

hope it answer your doubts/questions @noble schooner

[boreal canyon]

you want another one ?

[fair thicket]

not atm 😅 working on helping someone else describe a copacetic snake who gives you clams

[boreal canyon]

copace-what ?

[noble schooner]

i know i know... its the timing of it

[boreal canyon]

[boreal canyon]

[noble schooner]

it's like "hey there's this issue with an entry for this sprite i posted 6 days ago that i don't personally understand..."
"Oh really? that's funny because here's a comunity post that seems very coincidently related to this little problem you have."

[hexed fog]

lol bro it's not a big deal you take care of you. pokemon can take a back seat itll be fine lol

[fair thicket]

this is 100% bad timing, not a slight against you. 🫂

[noble schooner]

"well was it a coincidence"
"I don't know man i can't tell you"

i am trying to breathe... sorry

[boreal canyon]

that's kinda paranoiac, why would someone want to harm you in such an obvious way ?

[timid sky]

https://tenor.com/view/coincidence-i-think-not-coincidence-i-think-not-the-incredibles-gif-5096707

[nocturne shadow]

Hey, I know. Just wanted to say where I've been

[noble schooner]

that's the thing with being autistic... we will never know and will probably never understand...

[gentle frost]

:3 Remember self care people, I’m guilty of forgetting it myself

[boreal canyon]

here's the pokémon for the elusive dex

[noble schooner]

thank you...

but i'm not a spriter so i can't participate even if i wanted too

[gentle frost]

Anyway, I’m trying to come up with an entry for my Spiritomb/ Rhypherior, any ideas?

[fair thicket]

aha, but-
what if you tried

[timid sky]

Not everyone can sprite

[noble schooner]

i don't posess that kind of artistic talent and patience

[boreal canyon]

what i want to say is that, even if it was target toward you, people would need to make a new sprite, so, considering the one you submitted a dex for isn't viable for the event, it's just a big coincidence

[fair thicket]

true, but there are people who said they don't have artistic talent and haven't seen how spriting for IF can be different (e.g., modifying bases)
that said, collabs, maybe? spriter and dex writer? dunno if that's allowed?

[noble schooner]

i sort of have that going with one? but... it hard to explain

[boreal canyon]

i think someone can make a dex, and an other person would make the corresponding sprite

[fair thicket]

:nodnod: i know some events say "no collabs", but i think that's specifically no collabs on the spriting portion, and it might not even be something present for Elusive Dex anyway

[boreal canyon]

there's always #1240773622612889681 for questions x)

[noble schooner]

fellas and fellettes... what do you make of this re-write?
"Dating back in records of 3000 years, POKENAME has been sighted in the coldest regions of the Earth. Oldest depictions of it state the possibility of it living within a permanent aurora, of which finding can’t currently prove the existence of."

Compared to the current rejected one
"Sightings of this mythical Pokémon date back 3000 of years in the coldest parts of the world. But it’s possible to have been alive much longer. It’s said that POKENAME lives within a permanent aurora borealis. No such phenomena has been discovered."

[boreal canyon]

"Dating back in records of 3000 years, POKENAME has been sighted in the coldest regions of the Earth. Often depicted as living within a permanent aurora veil but no one can confirm this."

what do you think of this ?

[fair thicket]

second sentence is a fragment
It is often depicted yadda yadda

[boreal canyon]

ok, and, i'm just doing a suggestion for Merc because i fear their second half might be too different from pokedex style, idk

anyways, good night

[ebon warren]

I saw, don't worry.
I'm home now but I'm doing stuff in order, your thing from yesterday is first, then I can look at these

[noble schooner]

oh ok thank you and sorry

[fair thicket]

i would ask
oldest depictions of it state the possibility of it living within a permanent aurora - "oldest depictions" makes me think of cave paintings or some other visual representation, wherein the permanence of the aurora depicted would be up for debate. Are these records written, then?
of which finding can’t currently prove - i.e., what you said about no permanent aurora being found to exist, right?
want to clarify to make sure before I understand your idea before I suggest edits

[ebon warren]

What are the numbers for this one? I cannot search by either base Pokémon name, only the numbers.

[noble schooner]

well Aurorus is a Fossil pokemon after all. makes sense for it to be seen a long time ago right? plus it's a fusion with a legendary too so the possibility of a long life isn't too absurd.

and yes that is refering to the phenomena of the permenant aurora

[fair thicket]

55.439d.png is the one missing the its
55.439e.png is the correct one

[noble schooner]

@ebon warren oh sorry i just remembered a little fuky i did with two sprites with slight differences but same fusion. mind just removing that space in the first one please?

[ebon warren]

ok this is done, the two entries are now exact copies

[fair thicket]

:nodnod: yeye, i figured that's what you were thinking. My question is how these old depictions communicate that it lives in a permanent aurora. some sort of hieroglyphics, perhaps?
😅 it's hard to know what the unowns will consider ambiguity at times

[noble schooner]

perhaps, but of course character limits aren't our friend here

"Dating back in records of 3000 years, POKENAME has been sighted in the coldest regions of the Earth. Oldest depictions of it state the possibility of it living within a permanent aurora, of which meteorologists can’t currently prove the existence of."

[fair thicket]

oh sure. but i'm not asking about things that can fit in the character limits. I'm asking about underlying ideas that I can help fold into the character limit 😌

[ebon warren]

the entry submitted with the 446 number has been noted and Not Approved. The correct entry submission is the most recent on the list so that can be reviewed normally

[noble schooner]

thank you

[ebon warren]

I recommend not worrying about character limits until you're perfected what message you want, things can always be shortened once you know what you want to say and how to say it

[noble schooner]

@ebon warren i'd like your opinion on something. with this whole kerfuffle of "Aurora Borealis is pretty specific to Earth, I think." since there are many that mention the Aurora Borealis that were approved but mine wasn't... would it not be a bad idea to suggest having those entries remove the word "Borealis" to keep it consistent? keeping Aurora though so it doesn't actually change their original ideas

[fair thicket]

Sightings of POKENAME in the coldest regions of the world date back over 3000 years. Oldest records declare it dwells within a permanent aurora, but no such phenomenon has been meteorologically confirmed.

FAQ28 says to say "the world" instead of Earth, so I tweaked that.
Otherwise, I made some changes to the phrasing. What do you think?

[noble schooner]

I did use world in my original entry, guess it slipped in my subtle adrenalin state... yeah that works very well

[ebon warren]

258.288 all three are now the same, I just copied one that didn't have the issue to replace it.
I did want to mention, most likely these won't be kept, all three are very similar and don't follow the current/new "alt" sprite rules, so I'm guessing the other two will be trimmed, and the spriter will be asked which of the three will remain

[noble schooner]

Three...?

it was two for that fusion

@ebon warren NO NO That first one is a completely different entry!

[boreal prairie]

3000-year-old records from the coldest regions of the world depict POKENAME. Its shown within a permanent aurora that modern meteorologists can't yet prove the existence of.

I'm not sure what the meteorologists are proving, that there can be a permanent aurora or that the pokemon has it? Does it create the aurora or just its presence coincides with it "being permanent"

[ebon warren]

you are sending me half a dozen pings on all different things, there are too many things at once.
We need to pick one thing, finish it, and then move on. I will get to this after we finish the other stuff.

[noble schooner]

then please revert 258.287.png's entry

[ebon warren]

no, they were all the same, the top one was including the extra space and thus was highlighted. If the entry was completely different, I typically would have confirmed if you wanted me to change it entirely

[ebon warren]

it will still have the error then

[ebon warren]

I've reverted it

as you can see, it's exactly the same but now has the error

[noble schooner]

no i see a completely different entry because it's a different sprite

[fair thicket]

maybe a screenshot of the one you're talking about might help?

[ebon warren]

ok so for this, aurora borealis is the term used to reference the aurorae that exist on the North Pole of earth, but technically the term simply means aurora of the north winds, so the name does still technically work as long as we know that it is at the north of the planet. However, aurorae are canon in the main games, there was one in one of the movies, although I cannot recall the exact name of the movie

[ebon warren]

I'm not sure what happened, when I checked the sprite earlier it was the same
I show a different one now too, good lord

[noble schooner]

now i've noticed an error on my part, Fuck me...

[fair thicket]

(This is also why having an extra text box on the submission sheet might be helpful. So you can resubmit keeping aurora borealis and add a comment "five other entries use the term 'aurora borealis', auroras have been documented on other planets by NASA, and 'borealis' just means 'of the north', so STET")

[noble schooner]

please... change the number from 258.287 to 258.287a...

[ebon warren]

honestly I'm curious if the sheet is having issues, I didn't change the numbers

[fair thicket]

i think Merc meant they submitted their entry for the main and meant to submit it for the alt a

[narrow cosmos]

Each egg is supposed to contain some aspect of existence itself: time, space, mind, soul, antimatter, etc. Creation itself rests in the center, protected always by the others in the clutch.

(Heatran being there instead of Palkia kinda throws off the mythical lean of the text a little but still.)

[noble schooner]

no i again wrote the wrong number... when you updated to remove the space in the word "wholehearted" you accidently applied that change to 258.287a (which is incorrectly written without the a) that was only ment for sprites 258.288a and 258.288b

[fair thicket]

is that why you put an etc instead of saying the final aspect?

[noble schooner]

so when you said "all three" i was very confused... @ebon warren

[ebon warren]

no that's understandable, I have no idea what is happening, because I didn't change the numbers, it looks like the a was missing originally? I don't know.
Anyway, I want to confirm, you did the entry for the sprite by iaobug and widecloud, yeah?

[narrow cosmos]

Yeah, and because I felt it might feel a bit long in the tooth to try and go over every mythological aspect of existence in one sentence, whether referring to the sprite's eggs or not.

[noble schooner]

indeed. this one. i didn't realise there was an 'a'

i never said you changed the numbers

[ebon warren]

it's fine, I am leaving the sheet alone for a minute to let it catch up

[noble schooner]

i incorrectly wrote the wrong number and you accidently applied the entire dex entry from the ones below it to this one

removing the letters... the numbers are basically identical so i can see how you thought it was the same

i am incredibly embarrassed at myself for making the same mistake twice...

so please just update it to 258.287a when you can so i don't lose myself in the embarrasment...

[ebon warren]

when I checked the sprite link for all three they were all the same image that showed up, and I'm unsure why

[fair thicket]

it feels weird to have an etc when there's just one more aspect. it raises the question of why not list that one as well.
i don't want to say remove some of the list, but a shorter list would make it less odd?

[boreal prairie]

Each egg is supposed to contain some aspect an essence of existence itself: time, space, mind, soul, antimatter, etc. Creation rests in the center, protected always by the others in the clutch.

very small suggestions. Just an idea that "an essence" is a little nore specific than "some aspect" and gives a connotation of smallness (to fit in the eggs 😊)

[noble schooner]

so would it make sense and be fair to remove the word Borealis from all existing entries or not?

[boreal prairie]

Also, this is an interesting debate on the vague cliche "is supposed to" and the original meaning of the phrase, but I left it because you could actually read it the original way here, as in, one supposes that it contains.

[noble schooner]

because if not... then i apologise to the unown who wrote that comment... but i will make it into a meme

[narrow cosmos]

Each egg is supposed to contain an essence of existence itself: time and space, mind, body and soul, matter and antimatter. Creation rests in the center, protected always by the others in the clutch.

Tacking onto Ozy's concision, how's this sound?

[narrow cosmos]

Yeah, I actually meant it in the rarer usage of the word being supposition, hypothetical.

[noble schooner]

"BLANK is pretty specific to Earth, I think."

[fair thicket]

👍 also works. my alternate suggestion would have been to add something like "Scholars debate what essences the last two represent"

[fair thicket]

"Robots are pretty specific to Earth, I think."

[ebon warren]

I had already updated it once I noticed it was missing the A, although the link hasn't updated yet.
However, there's a name in the Dex entry that is in all caps, it should be Mimelade, but I wanted to make sure you were specifically referencing that fusion (258.288) so I can correct that

[noble schooner]

oh yeah you can de-cap those but keep them in. I have them reference each other to make it unique

[ebon warren]

that's fine, but I had to confirm, as Pokémon names are never in all caps, so that would have to be changed regardless

[noble schooner]

i honestly thought they were... maybe in the main games or somewhere else

[fair thicket]

early canon dex entries have them, iirc, but not later, which is what these guidelines adhere to

[noble schooner]

fair

[ebon warren]

they were never intended to be, no, only the placeholder (POKENAME) is ever supposed to be in all capitals.
I also corrected Mimevoir in the other two entries, as they were the same

[narrow cosmos]

POKENAME considers its young sacred, raising them for a divine purpose beyond mortal ken. If one approaches without parent approval, POKENAME will erase them from existence.

[noble schooner]

i honestly got worries when i read that second part but i checked and nothing seems wrong now, thank you

[narrow cosmos]

"Aw what a cute shiny baby Pokem--"
BY ARCEUS'S LIGHT I SMITE YOU

Cue Smash Bros. world of light beginning movie

[noble schooner]

sorry this completely blipped from my mind... do i have permision to resubmit this version?

[ebon warren]

ok so for this, there's no single answer. Technically, the language can be correct if the aurora referenced is only on the northern pole of the planet in question, so if it is NOT or if it is unclear, then the description doesn't make linguistic sense. However, people regularly refer to the aurorae in the southern hemisphere as the aurora borealis instead of the aurora australis and it is colloquially considered the equivalent by most, so if the term was intended as such, I'd prefer just shortening it personally, but others may not. Aurora works for all of them and doesn't have the same issue

[fair thicket]

yeye, go ahead

[ebon warren]

I'd tweak that slightly for accuracy, but it's a good rewrite

[noble schooner]

ok but... how does that explain how the exsisting entries mention it got approved and mine which is no different (ignoring the other wording issues for this) got rejected? that's inconsistent no?

"Aurora Borealis" = Fine
"Aurora Borealis" = Fine
"Aurora Borealis" = Fine
"Aurora Borealis" = Fine
"Aurora Borealis" = No not this one

[fair thicket]

different unowns making different rulings, alas 😔

[noble schooner]

that's... not ok if it results in this

[fair thicket]

🤔 if it were just the mention of the aurora, they might have marked it as Unsure and convened with the other unowns?

[ebon warren]

Sightings of POKENAME in the coldest regions of the world date back over 3000 years. The oldest records claim this Pokémon dwells within a permanent aurora, but no such phenomenon has been meteorologically confirmed.
I'd reword it this way, personally. The first part of the second sentence wasn't entirely accurate and had a pronoun incorrectly referencing an otherwise nonexistent antecedent

[ebon warren]

It seems like you are looking for something that isn't there, as I'm not really sure what the "this" in your message is referencing. Having an entry marked Not Approved?
I cannot comment on why it was marked how it was. However, every person doing this is volunteering, and each person has their own process and reasons, so you are going to have variation. It's impossible to prevent, even if only one singular person was doing every single Dex entry submission (which would be impossible, that's simply too much). Also, if it was just a genuine mistake, people should be allowed to make mistakes. Just like how an entry that gets submitted can have mistakes and Unowns try to fix them if possible, I'm sure there have been mistakes made by Unowns, myself included, that we didn't catch. If it was a mistake, it happens.
I also explained earlier, not having an entry Approved does not mean it can never be submitted again, there are numerous reasons why an entry wouldn't be Approved. Even the comments on it weren't really specific about what it was that made it not be Approved, even to me, so I do not assume anything. Based purely on the original entry and how many rewrites it took to get the entry to be both accurate and grammatically correct, it may have been that they didn't entirely understand the intent and there were too many issues, so it was just marked Not Approved. I honestly cannot say one way or the other and I don't want to speculate.
I will say though, any time any entry is submitted, I always encourage the author to check back on it periodically to see if and when the entry is reviewed. We try to ping every author that has written entries if we aren't sure, but even pinging them doesn't always get us a response, and we don't ping for every entry that is Not Approved, so checking back on prior entries is important. If there are ever questions or discrepancies, we can fix those too, it usually doesn't take too long to do so. That's why the spreadsheet is public 8)

[noble schooner]

my idea of removing the word "Borealis" from all existing entries is just to esentially thanos snap it to level the playing field and avoid ridiculous situations like this

[ebon warren]

what is the number for this fusion?

I need to find the prior entry

[noble schooner]

think @fair thicket said they found a bunch of them which didn't help the situation

this is just a personal idea... but perhaps having an entry be checked by 2 Unowns before approval may be an idea. because one could say something and another can double check and essentially ask "why?"

[noble schooner]

that's what they said at the time when they were trying to find mine

[fair thicket]

approved tab has five instances

looks like two are repeats for the same fusion, though

[ebon warren]

this would immediately double the amount of work for Dex entries. It's a great idea in theory and I'd absolutely say this is needed for something that is paid, but if there were a discrepancy between the two it could create even more work for each entry where it happens, as well. I think leaving the questions up to the author to pose to Unowns is the best solution for this community project

[noble schooner]

i know it was just a though.

[fair thicket]

eh, remember Thanos was the bad guy
better to do what you just did - if you think your entry was rejected for BS reasons, bring it here and point out why you think the rejection was unfair.

[ebon warren]

to be clear, ANY assumption about why it was Not Approved is an assumption, since the note wasn't clear on this one

but any author can question how and why their entry is marked at any time

[noble schooner]

Call it the "Unofficial Borealis Protocol"

[narrow cosmos]

POKENAME has been observed transforming into undocumented creatures on occasion. Science hot debates on if these could creatures could be extinct, alien, or even from the future.

[fair thicket]

(I will say that (iirc) there are times when asked for clarification on my rejected (or rewritten) entries and was just told they don't have time to go into detail for each and every entry they reject. and it took a lot of wheedling to get an actual answer rather than speculation from the non-unowns here.)

[ebon warren]

but this rule doesn't automatically work for every entry, calling the aurora "the Northern Lights' falls under that same vague category where each instance is judged separately

[fair thicket]

[patpat] take a break, mate. have some dinner. drink some water.

[noble schooner]

Unofficial Borealis Protocol: The suggestion of asking a second Unown to double check a first's reasoning for Not Approved or Unsure labeling at the request of the Submission owner.

just a name in reference to this specific example

[fair thicket]

oh! if it's just "at the request of the submission author", i'm betting they already do that

[ebon warren]

I mean, even if there isn't a comment, OR the comment is unclear like this instance, it is still speculation. If I find an entry where I don't agree I've changed it before, but I have to also check that there isn't a new one from the same author for that sprite and all of that, so it's still an involved process

[ebon warren]

||Yes, that's basically what we're doing now, but we have our own chat too for stuff like this||

[ebon warren]

just in case no one saw this, does someone have the number?

[noble schooner]

i'm still in a psuedo venting state right now, sorry... but this really could work for these situations

[fair thicket]

the one Merc is talking about or the other ones that mention aurora borealis?

[ebon warren]

I'm not concerned with other entries

especially since those authors aren't asking currently

[fair thicket]

[patpat] got a friend you can talk to? that way you don't have to worry about adhering to guidelines or some such

[fair thicket]

yeah, but the way the question was asked was unclear
assuming you mean Merc's entry:
462.250.png

[noble schooner]

this... is the start of a new era

[narrow cosmos]

Fragmented tales of a being similar to POKENAME have been discovered in ancient ruins. They speak of a being that drags the wicked away with 1000 arms to burn their evil away with cleansing flame.

[noble schooner]

That's better...

[fair thicket]

🤔 you repeat being and repeat away

one being could be replaced by entity, perhaps

🤔 do either "drag away" or "burn away" have sharpish synonyms...

[noble schooner]

@ebon warren look i just think "is pretty specific to Earth, I think" is just really... well there's many words that can accurately describe it but it not a good reason at all for a denial without proper explenation

[narrow cosmos]

Fragmented tales of a being similar to POKENAME have been discovered in ancient ruins. They speak of a deity that drags the wicked away with 1000 arms to burn their evil souls to ash with cleansing flame.

A little adjustment. 🤔

[noble schooner]

the word for someone that can't walk is probably the nicest way i can put it...

[fair thicket]

Merc - there were other notes in the comment section. It didn't seem to be solely or even primarily due to the aurora borealis thing.

[fair thicket]

🤔 "burn the evil in their souls to ash", perhaps? that way you still have the removal of evil of the original

[noble schooner]

if it was JUST a writing problem there would of been no problem. that comment is... dammit i cant say it still even though i WANT to.

[narrow cosmos]

I think that works pretty well! I'll add that in there and I think it should be good.

I like the concept I made here, the 1000 arms legend of Arceus can help a little with deification for these reports. You know in-universe they still cast the Hounceus as a villain in most media though.

[fair thicket]

galling, insulting, a slap in the face, stunning in the lack of diligence it shows to not do a rudimentary google search, irksome, a bad look, makes me feel like my hard work isn't being respected
any of those work?

[fair thicket]

yeye, i loved the nod to the 1000 arms of arceus 😌

[noble schooner]

Dumb. it's dumb. that's all i'll say

[ebon warren]

||would have been, of is not a verb||

[noble schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/cookie-monster-dont-dont-tell-me-what-to-do-i-do-what-i-want-break-the-rules-gif-25385374

[noble schooner]

jk jk

[ebon warren]

it's literally the purpose of an Unown 😏

[fair thicket]

(just as a note. this is me trying to help Merc articulate their feelings. I totally get why someone wouldn't google something they were unsure about when they have eleventy billion entries to evaluate)

[fair thicket]

you never correct my gonnas to going tos

[noble schooner]

it's like saying "It doesn't make sense for them to eat bananas because only monkeys do" ...a lot more living things eat bananas, not just monkeys you monkey

[ebon warren]

true but that is simply a variation that is socially acceptable. Plus you also know I am correcting you every time without saying it, clearly 😏

[fair thicket]

there's a sassy proofreading term you can use for this 😉 STET. means "leave as is"

or, to put it another way

https://tenor.com/view/samueljackson-stupid-decision-avengers-gif-8475062

[noble schooner]

"they can't swim because only fish do that" oh really? what are the other thousand species in the ocean doing in there? walking?

[narrow cosmos]

Certain ancient records state the sight of POKENAME is a harbinger of the end of existence. The stories say all life will one day be sucked within its hollow shell, and used as fuel to reincarnate the world anew.

(I kinda wanted to make an entry that used the phrase "a dead god still dreams" but that might be hinky on the FAQ and I couldn't think up a good context for it anyway. )

[ebon warren]

now I cannot unsee the hole in the outline on this sprite

[fair thicket]

clearly the answer is to ping every single unown at once with a link to that thing about saturn's auroras
and then leave without saying a word more than "STET"
let them stew in their ignorance

[fair thicket]

#1052360360172199977 🤭

[fair thicket]

🤔 remove the comma after "shell", i think

i... am not fond of the word "sucked", but i'm pretty sure it's meant to be drawing comparisons to a black hole?

[ebon warren]

oh great, more astronomy.
Black holes don't suck

[regal cedar]

Perhaps "absorbed", but it's probably okay. (Shedinja uses "steal", for reference.)

[fair thicket]

i was considering mentioning that, but then i decided it was irrelevant 😌

[narrow cosmos]

I thought of vacuumed at first as a replacement, but absorbed probably also works, and feels a little more...mystical-ish?

Sucked sounds slang-y, and vacuumed feels too technical, I feel.

[ebon warren]

vacuum is a synonym of suck, black holes pull things into them

[narrow cosmos]

Pulled could work, or maybe just some variant on "taken."

[hexed fog]

remember @south berry you cannot enter entries for sprites not yet in the game

[boreal prairie]

thank Arceus the spreadsheet doesn't work on my phone so I can't even see if my entries have been accepted or rejected and complain about it 😛

[fair thicket]

~~excuse you i resemble that remark ~~

add to the list of "names misspelled more often than fuchsia"

wait, where'd i even get the x from

anyway, all the ones from you are either Approved or not reviewed yet

[boreal prairie]

Ancient records write that the sight of POKENAME harbinges the end of existence. The stories say all life will be [sucked] within its hollow shell, and used as fuel to reincarnate the world anew [from dreams of the undead god.]

just some minor tweak suggestions, plus an option for how to put your phrase in?

i always try to think of a better word than sucked if I can lol don't know if there is one here

[fair thicket]

dunno if they've been rewritten because i dunno if they keep records of that

[boreal prairie]

I told them they can rewrite my entries at their leisure.

Or atleast I told Izik that

[boreal prairie]

Its is all the letter in Ozymandias, rearranged to have my name, Damian, inside it, because I one noticed that all the letters in Damian are in Ozymandias (which is my favorite poem!)

[fair thicket]

see, i got the Ozymandias part. it's the order of letters that's killing me!

[noble schooner]

@ebon warren i've just sent the new entry submission for sprite number 462.250.

[regal cedar]

Hey @jagged ledge , I noticed two similar entries by two different users, one by "term" and one by you. I wanted to make sure this was/was not an error.

[ebon warren]

changing the adjective to meteorologists was a good choice

[regal cedar]

Torchic/Oddish, 279.43

"It becomes inactive during winter, preferring to stay buried in the dirt. The heat and energy POKENAME provides to nearby plants makes sure they can unexpectedly flourish even in the cold."

[noble schooner]

apparently "meteorologically" isnt a word so...

[ebon warren]

it is

otherwise I would've changed it

[noble schooner]

unless it was spelt wrong the submission form underlined it red

that's why i tweaked it XD

[ebon warren]

the underlines are based on a dictionary unique to Google Docs, it doesn't make it absolute. Always check resources

[noble schooner]

it worked better anyway

[ebon warren]

agreed

[fair thicket]

it's a simple-enough combination of known affixes, and there's no other properly accepted replacement
linguistics major declares it "word" 🧑‍⚖️ 😌

[ebon warren]

linguistics major?

[fair thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/eeyup-mlp-my-little-pony-gif-5373831

[ebon warren]

don't use the handsome APPLE against me!

[fair thicket]

if you say "I thought you were a Bio major", you're also right 😌 i went back to school for that one

[timid sky]

In that case I need your opinion: is English a stupid language?

[fair thicket]

No. Why would it be?

[ebon warren]

why would it NOT be?

Latin already has a ton of issues and English basically just bastardizes a bunch of other Latin roots and throws in some other extra language root corruptions in there all at once

[fair thicket]

"latin already has a ton of issues" 🤭 which one? The one spoken in the Vatican? The one spoken in Italy? The one taxidermied in high school textbooks so students can better grasp scientific species names?

a language having a ton of variation, adoption, change, doesn't make it dumb. it makes it alive.

[timid sky]

https://youtu.be/GnEnpyAu6hw?si=kVyJwyoIVqrQkinq
well this for starters

[fair thicket]

that's orthography, you silly goose. 🤭 completely unrelated.

[timid sky]

There’s also the fact that different words are pronounced the same

And there’s other stuff I’m too tired to remember right now

[fair thicket]

🤭 homophones are common across all languages
(okay, i can't guarantee it's "all", but there's a famous chinese poem that's just shi)
ah, i think it's this one:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion-Eating_Poet_in_the_Stone_Den

[ebon warren]

uh no, the most obvious one is requiring genders for nearly everything, it creates incredibly shallow potential for that language and any languages based off of it without massive changes. Ironically, for a language regularly "touted" as being so clear and precise, it creates massive imprecision when dealing with gender. That's just one singular issue, but also the numerous "rules" around how Latin-based languages must function due to the restrictions in Latin itself, are also quite a nuisance.
Let's just say I didn't drink the "Latin is amazing" Kool-aid I was offered, much like I did not with Shakespearean plays

[fair thicket]

which Latin?

[timid sky]

You think that’s bad in English? Try learning French

[fair thicket]

🤭 I know Latin includes noun classes called genders. Modern Latins like Spanish and Italian include those as well.

[ebon warren]

ugh, nevermind. You know WHICH, but this argument will simply be you confusing it by claiming language changes and there are more than one ad infinitum, so it's not even really a conversation at this point.
Latin wasn't great. It hasn't changed to be better. And all of the Latin languages are so much worse off for it

[ebon warren]

you need to read my entire post and also scroll up, please

but English makes all of that worse by mashing together a ton of language roots, poorly I might add, and then being so convoluted that not even native speakers can understand some of the incredibly confusing details that impact even normal use of the language

[fair thicket]

You're arguing against a point no one was making. XD Literally no one say "Latin is a flawless language". The question being posed is "Is English a dumb language?" My answer is "Any more than any other?"

[ebon warren]

my point was that Latin wasn't great to begin with, was heralded as this amazing language and literally forced on entire civilizations, and English just mashed up all that awful stuff with other awful stuff from other languages and made this hodgepodge cacophony of a language that doesn't have any clearly defined rules it doesn't break itself.

it's such a terrible language, I'm honestly fortunate that I learned it as a child because I don't think I would be able to comprehend most of the idiosyncracies were I learning it as an adult

[jagged ledge]

Oh, I think term submitted some of the edits I suggested to their entry under my name.

I must reread through the whole chat now... brb

[timid sky]

You realize I’m the one who started this conversation, right?

[hexed fog]

196.484.png POKENAME has achieved perfect equilibrium of its Fire and Psychic power. The crimson orb on its staff houses a mysterious, blazing energy. The energy radiates migraine-inducing telepathic static, hampering researchers' study.

hey @noble schooner you wouldn't capitalize 'fire' or 'psychic' in this lol

[ebon warren]

so you missed the part where I described all languages that come from Latin?

and the part where I also elaborated that English has more than just Latin, which makes it worse?

[fair thicket]

(except instead of "tea" or "code" he says "lingua franca")

[fair thicket]

Swahili has 15 noun classes

like, you'll wish it were just gender

[ebon warren]

yes, and gendered prefixes and suffixes, and variations on prefixes and suffixes for different quantities AND noun classes, similarly to Japanese

[jagged ledge]

You know the funny thing is I actually learned about how to break down foreign sentence structure and familiarized myself with different types of verbs thanks to Latin class. I think learning from Latin is more interesting and valuable than Latin itself.

[fair thicket]

✨ learning Spanish helped me articulate what's going on in English sentences

[ebon warren]

Swahili is also phonetic. Simply reading the letters used to write the language will make sense, there aren't any hidden pronunciations or omissions or anything confusing. Japanese and Chinese use complex characters that have their own intrinsic meanings and can be read and understood as different words and meanings for each. (Japanese can have multiple meanings for a single character.)

but notice how we're talking about singular languages with examples here?

[fair thicket]

orthography, not language

[jagged ledge]

Like I can't speak a word of conversational Latin, but studying it helped me better adapt when learning new languages, which I was already pretty good at.

[ebon warren]

you can't do that in English

[timid sky]

How could a member of my own family say something so horrible

[fair thicket]

...Chinese is not a singular language

[jagged ledge]

Meanwhile Hebrew sometimes just doesn't have vowels because they were a recent addition for clarification.

[ebon warren]

neither is English. Where was the correction earlier?

[timid sky]

I may have started a war

[ebon warren]

this is doing that ad infinitum thing I predicted

[jagged ledge]

How do you pronounce Caramel?

[fair thicket]

??? Where did I say it was?

[jagged ledge]

Hey guys

I made a third Dexdoku Template. I'll post it if three people fill one of the first two.

[ebon warren]

I saw them but I didn't really look over them, they're in here?

[fair thicket]

Like, when I talk about English, I know I'm at best talking about Standard American, Canadian, and maybe British Englishes. I have no idea if the rules I articulate are present in world Englishes beyond this.

[jagged ledge]

One second, let me dig through chat again

Found it

[fair thicket]

hopefully you can just search your name, dexdoku, and has:image?

[gentle frost]

Me, watching this conversation:

[fair thicket]

Anyway, i'll just say it sounds like you're expecting to say "language is messy and that's awful" instead of "language is messy and that's beautiful" XD

[ebon warren]

(this chat...? I can't search until I know where )

[jagged ledge]

[small nest]

That was actually me, I resubmitted for @noble schooner and forgot to check the capitalization guide

[south berry]

Just as a point of clarification, we're talking Custom Sprites correct? I may have been confused or unclear on that point, since all the Dex Entries I've been writing have been for mons that I've been using in my current playthrough, but some of them are the generated sprites.

[timid sky]

They’re also having an English conversation in #other-pokemon-games

[jagged ledge]

Yes, Custom Sprites only

[south berry]

bless, thank you my friend!

[jagged ledge]

No problem

[fair thicket]

oh dear XD same topic?

[timid sky]

Similar topic it seems

[gentle frost]

To clarify, I get into stupid arguments too, this image is meant to not be taken seriously lmao

[timid sky]

This one wasn’t caused by me thought

[fair thicket]

they got any linguists in there? XD

[timid sky]

https://tenor.com/view/guzma-guzmán-you-stupid-pokémon-gif-24445135

[fair thicket]

That's what I had thought, tbh

[ebon warren]

if we didn't have over 50% of the US population currently reading at a 5th grade level or below, rampant spelling and punctuation errors, and wild misunderstandings between two or more native English speakers on the regular, with the added ||implicit|| expectation (in the US) that everyone should speak English, sure. In a perfect world, yes, great, languages evolves as it is needed.
But if language exists to perpetuate communication, it should DO THAT, not make it worse. English regularly makes it worse, not better. Many languages struggle but English is proudly displaying it is a King with no clothes to the world.
I take issue with that.
English seems to get worse as it changes, and it certainly isn't doing its job at making communication easier.

[small nest]

ETA: wouldn't capitalizing be correct in this case to make it clear that it's perfected the abilities inherent to its Pokémon typing, not just "its fire ability?"

Sorry Worm, left you hangin

[fair thicket]

XD all good

[ebon warren]

one of the rules of submitting Dex entries is the sprite must be in the game when submitted, so please ensure that there is a custom sprite for the fusion you are writing for, as each unique sprite can have its own custom Dex entry, even if there are multiple sprites for the same fusion.

[ebon warren]

it reads (to me) like powers, not typing. If it were types then yeah, obviously those are capitalized, but it sounds in the entry like it has fire powersand psychic powers that are being melded

just me?

[small nest]

I getcha. As I'm not the original author I guess I can't confirm one way or the other

[south berry]

Gotcha, I think I was confused as to the wording "Fusions already in the game" since that did not explicitly mean to me "custom sprite", but I understand now! 🙂

[ebon warren]

@fair thicket HELP

[jagged ledge]

To add to this: Say for example you have an entry for a generated sprite that eventually gets a completely unrelated custom sprite, that would be a little confusing.

[ebon warren]

we could try to reword that for clarity

[south berry]

there may be wisdom in that, mostly because I quite literally was just making entries for mons I quite literally have in the game so others may make the same mistake I did! It's not really the end of the world either way, but wanted to maybe explain my logic a bit more to help improve clarity!

[fair thicket]

you talking language or orthography? spelling and punctuation are orthography, not language. They are* ways to convey body language and gesture in situations it is not (or can't be) present.
"English seems to get worse as it changes" Uhhhhhhhhh. What, um, changes would these be, pray tell?
You can't... enforce language. It exists. The most you can enforce is a standard version, which will inherently prioritize a certain group of speakers and stigmatize those who speak the most unlike that standard.

*Specifically punctuation, I mean. English spelling has some phonetic elements, but much more displays the etymology (of roots) and morphology (of affixes). (You could make the case that casual writing (e.g., on the internet) has adopted spelling variations as gesture in certain circumstances, though).

[fair thicket]

it's Merc's. @noble schooner it you?

(hoping i tagged the right Merc)

[south berry]

yeah, when I saw the notification earlier today the logic kind of clicked for me

[boreal prairie]

I'll do them when I have the time! I like the idea a lot actually

of you repost i'll do one tonight

[jagged ledge]

No worries, happy to help!

[jagged ledge]

Bet

[ebon warren]

the whole purpose of Dex entries is clarity, and Unowns are here to ensure that entries are clear to readers, so we absolutely want our rules and expectations to be very clear as well

[fair thicket]

(Part of the reason it's useful/inevitable that English spelling isn't phonetic is illustrated right at 2:27. I ain't British. 🤭 It's not slor-ter. it's slaw-ter. You gonna inflict a silent r on me?)

[ebon warren]

hey @nimble sage, can these be posted in the current event thread for the spritedoku, or would it need an entirely unique thread?

since it would technically be Dexdoku?

[jagged ledge]

I specifically made it red like the Pokedex to stand out

[terse pawn]

How's this?
Mudkip/Solosis: POKENAME is surprisingly soft with it's muddy texture. It often swirls inside its mud bubble with its tongue sticking out, completely oblivious to its surrounds.

Swampert/Reuniclus:POKENAME struggles to swim, as the mud coating its body disperses in water. To compensate, it uses psychic energy to propel itself at high speeds. The mud on its arms is rich, making it fertile soil that allures Grass-type Pokémon seeking nutrition.

[jagged ledge]

Well for starters I need those sprites in my game yesterday

[timid sky]

Right, I forgot Grade was British

[boreal prairie]

#151.266
#251.147
#381.50

#312.191
#289.376
#282.50

#334.1
#200.443
#92.50

Can somebody check if these have entries already

[jagged ledge]

The second sentence in the first entry is a bit of a run-on, does It often swirls inside its mud bubble with its tongue sticking out, completely oblivious to its surrounds work?

[jagged ledge]

Brb

[jagged ledge]

Yes,
No,
No,

No,
No,
No,

No,
No,
No.

So only 151.266

[terse pawn]

That sounds great! Thanks!

[jagged ledge]

👍

The first one miiiiiight need some formatting tweaks in other ways but I think it should do, and the second looks pretty good!

Wait

@ebon warren What's the ruling on entries for Sprites yet to be updated?

[terse pawn]

Oh, i'm not planning to post it yet. I'm going to do it when it's uploaded. Also, I removed the last part and redid the first part awhile adding your part, is this good?

POKENAME is surprisingly soft with it's muddy texture. It often swirls inside its mud bubble with its tongue sticking out, completely oblivious to its surrounds.

[jagged ledge]

*surroundings

[narrow cosmos]

Hmm, even counting the rejected/repeated ones on the submission form, I'm nearly up to 500 entries. Once I get that many approved, then I can die happy, and completely brain-drained.

[boreal prairie]

btw Is there anywhere to check besides the spreadsheet?

[jagged ledge]

Gotcha no worries. I just also think it's an interesting question.

[jagged ledge]

I mean hopefully you can live happy too as long as possible lol. I know it's an expression, but that's not going to stop me

[jagged ledge]

Sadly I don't think so.

[boreal prairie]

Do you want to pick a random mythical/grass for me to do that's not already done so I don't have to ask you back and forth haha

[jagged ledge]

Do you want the Mythical as the head or the body?

[boreal prairie]

Head!

[jagged ledge]

380.191?

[ebon warren]

yet to be updated? I'm not sure I follow

[jagged ledge]

So Green made the original Mudkip/Solosis and Swampert/Reuniclus, but now is making updated sprites. They have Dex Entries written for the updated sprites, not the current ones. Would they be able to submit now because they are the spriter and made the originals or would they need to wait because those specific sprites have not been added yet?

[ebon warren]

are the original sprites already in the game? That's a separate process, so they'd need to follow THOSE steps correctly, and we'd only need to know if the old versions are there or not for our purposes

[jagged ledge]

Yes the original sprites are in the game. Up on Daena and everything.

#1328522960956428288 message

[ebon warren]

as long as the fusion has a custom sprite, it will have the Dex number formatting required for the form to be completed, and we can Approve it (assuming it meets the standards) normally. This won't change even if they update the sprites, as switching sprites requires a #1052360360172199977 thread, and they (the Chanseys) will swap the images for the ones already in the game, which doesn't change how the code labels them and thus doesn't change the Dex numbers we need. Basically, the image will switch and everything else (custom Dex entry included) will all stay the same.
Does that make sense?

[jagged ledge]

Yes.

That actually answers exactly what I was asking lol

@terse pawn You are good to go on submitting them!

[fair thicket]

So if the sprites need to be renumbered, we hold off on submitting anything until that's fixed, then?
Hopefully there won't be a case where a sprite with a dex entry needs to have its filename tweaked.

[ebon warren]

if there are any number changes on the backend, I'm unaware of a process that would impact us and this project, so hopefully it is done as part of any example like you gave haha. Otherwise, well, we will have to see if Frog says we have errors piling up.

[fair thicket]

For a couple months there I didn't remove the letters on the ends of my sprites when putting them in the gallery because i was told those just get removed when the sprites are harvested. Unfortunately, that wasn't the case and my sprites have some issues displaying in the game: https://discord.com/channels/302153478556352513/1324439627075026996 and will have to be renumbered. I made a general errors report for those spritepacks, so I have no idea if golduck/trevenant (55.439d and 55.439e) will at some point get renumbered to 55.439 and 55.439a, for example.

[boreal prairie]

144 Deokern 380.191 It falls from space and buries itself deep beneath the ground. If a POKENAME takes root, the landscape is soon overrun with bizarre alien flora. @floral pilot

165 Celetini 251.147 It flits through time like a fish swims in a river. It pauses in moments where nobody is around to see it, making it one of the rarest Pokémon in history, literally. @zealous badger

132 Jilett 381.50 If rub a golden lamp buried in the dirt, you might discover a POKENAME. It grants any selfless wish that brings food and prosperity.

209 Jitrio 381.51 POKENAME only answer a summons when three people's hands are placed on it lamp at once, and each supplicant receives one wish. If it deems a wish to be cruel or selfish, it sends a terrible earthquake instead.

(1/3)

[jagged ledge]

Oooh

[fair thicket]

If you rub a golden lamp buried in the dirt, you might discover a POKENAME. It grants any selfless wish that brings food and prosperity.

why food? because of the thing about diglett tilling soil for good crops?

[jagged ledge]

(I'll save my notes for the end but I like the sprites you chose )

[hexed fog]

I was gonna do dexdoku but I am trying to approve more entries

[jagged ledge]

Valid, no worries. Thanks for your work.

[boreal prairie]

151 Duskern 312.191 On scary holidays, POKENAME decorate porches and scare trick-or-treaters. It feeds on screams and shouts, but has a sunny disposition most other times. @south jasper

185 Duskern 313.191 While mostly harmless, the twitching and floating organs of POKENAME frighten most who look upon it. The roots and vines wriggle about searching for moonlight and dark energy to absorb. @bleak meadow

194 Shedlous 289.376 Neither mind seems to take the lead, working in perfect synchronization. Those who look upon POKENAME often feel as though they are remembering the loss of a beloved partner they have never met. @vale patio

144 Mudlett 282.50 The shores of shallow streams are spotted with the burrows of POKENAME. It prevents floods by digging deep holes to drain the overflowing water. @lunar linden

(2/2)

[jagged ledge]

But also when you get the chance...

[fair thicket]

POKENAME only answer a summons when three people's hands are placed on it lamp at once

I feel like I want it to read when three people place their hands on its lamp or when three people each place a hand etc, but i wonder if it might raise questions about severed hands or such

you collabed with people on these? 👀 the ones with the pings?

[jagged ledge]

I think the pings are to credit the Spriters

[fair thicket]

ah cool

[boreal prairie]

141 Flysaur 334.1 If you follow a POKENAME while lost in the desert, you'll soon reach an oasis. It rapidly vibrates its wings to clean the dust from its bulb.

198 Misria 200.443 On days rainless days with nonetheless dark clouds, the sobbing cry of POKENAME can be heard high above. The jewels it carries are said to contain the forgotten dreams of those who passed too young. @marble mesa

147 Gaslett 92.50 POKENAME merge as noxious fumes from abandoned graves. The musty air chokes and suffocates those who seek to pilfer these forgotten resting places. @lavish scaffold

(3/3)

I did a couple evolutions if I felt like it lol

[jagged ledge]

I actually have a Mismaria in my current playthrough

Also

Ok now for suggestions and edits

Before I begin, the concepts are spectacular all around

[fair thicket]

312.191

On scary holidays, POKENAME decorate porches and scare trick-or-treaters. It feeds on screams and shouts, but has a sunny disposition most other times. 

I see we're avoiding using "Halloween" Unfortunately, it means you repeat "scary" and "scare" in the same sentence. "Autumn holidays"? "Harvest festivals"? "Holidays to honor the spirits"?
The second sentence is tripping me up. So does it fast every time other than not-Halloween? Or is it in a sunny mood whenever it's not feeding?

[boreal prairie]

Yes and also so if they happen to be around they could see them!

[fair thicket]

313.191 Only critique is I'm not fond of the "about" in "wriggle about", but it's just a quibble.

[fair thicket]

289.376 Don't like the comma splice in the first sentence.
🤔 maybe "report feeling" instead of "often feel"?

[jagged ledge]

"It" vs "A POKENAME", while not breaking plurals, sets a confusing distinction with the legendary nature of the Pokemon. Describing it as one of a pack works at the beginning of the entry more than the second part, because introducing with "It", especially in a Legendary Fusion, can make it sound completely singular or make for inconsistent wording in the second part.

[fair thicket]

282.50 Aren't floods stopped by strong root systems and not holes? there's a missing antecedent for the "It" in "It prevents floods". Can be solved by replacing "it" with "this Pokemon" or smth

[fair thicket]

(which of the four are you referring to?)

[jagged ledge]

If you want to describe it as one of a collection, start with A POKENAME, then the second sentence automatically has "A POKENAME" to refer back to what "It" is describing.

[jagged ledge]

The first one

I'm literally going down the line lol

[fair thicket]

I preface mine with the filenames just to be perfectly clear 😌

[jagged ledge]

Makes sense, I probably should too lol

But also this is just general formatting advice beyond the actual content of the entry so

[boreal prairie]

Sure, but it is a magical creature haha.

[fair thicket]

92.50 Meant to be "emerge as"?

[fair thicket]

200.443 On days rainless days with nonetheless dark clouds, > On rainless overcast days? You might not even need "rainless", but I like it

[jagged ledge]

380.191.

Aside from the It vs A POKENAME thing and smoothing out some of the description formatting as a result, looks great and I adore the concept. I almost imagine a hypothetical Deoxys/Sunflora sending out these seeds to infect a planet to conquer.

[fair thicket]

My first thought was "The Colour out of Space" tbh

Then Annihilation

[boreal prairie]

yeah I was trying to like, make a like, symbolic comparison between between tears and rain. Hard to do in little words haha

[fair thicket]

🤔 lack of rain because the altarioid weeps instead?

[boreal prairie]

Think i'll just change it to overcast. Some other swablu-misdreavous line can do the rain/tear thing haha

[jagged ledge]

251.147.

Genuine question, would "It flits through the timeline" work? Just because I think that paints a picture that fits with the river comparison. Also would it be "Like how a fish swims through a river"?

Also also I appreciate the playful tone of the last sentence personally, but for formatting reasons, it might have to be written as "making it one of the literal rarest Pokémon in history."

[fair thicket]

🤔 So you meant something more like

On days when dark clouds hang heavy in the sky but no rain falls, the sobbing cry of POKENAME can be heard high above.

?

[boreal prairie]

I changed to "a fish swims through water." to add some parallelism. Timeline is a little... I don't know feels a little more sci-fi can't quite explain it, but I get your point.

[boreal prairie]

That's pretty good! A little longer than most my entries but it sounds good so I'll take it I think haha

[jagged ledge]

Hmm... I still think the grammar needs a bit of work. "Like how a fish swims through water" or "Like a fish swimming through water" would be my advice.

[jagged ledge]

But yeah I get that timeline might be a bit too different from the main concept

[boreal prairie]

Shedlous needed some concision suggestions lol (i've cleaned it up myself hehe)

[jagged ledge]

381.50.

I love it so much (especially because I did the reverse on my sheet) but I need to be a little nitpicky. "That brings food etc" could be shortened to "For food etc" but then also the selfless part feels a bit vague already and that would make it more vague? Maybe something like "It will only grant selfless wishes that bring aid to those in need." ? I like the idea, the second sentence just might need a bit of work.

[jagged ledge]

No worries, sorry I'm a little slow lol

[jagged ledge]

381.51.

I agree with Worm in that the opening needs a bit of work. "A POKENAME can only be summoned by three people placing their hand on its lamp at once" maybe?

[boreal prairie]

what if I changed to "health and prosperity"?

[boreal prairie]

things im working on: a shorter verb that means "answers the summons", a short way to explain three different people that can't be confused as three hands (1.5 people)

[ebon warren]

Are those error reports closed? If not I’d ask in them how they want to handle custom Dex entries for them. I don’t really have much visibility to all of that, and a Chansey may be able to shed more light and confirm if we need to ask Paya directly or not. (I’m happy to ask but she’s busy so I don’t want to bother unless absolutely necessary.)

[jagged ledge]

I mean part of it is my tendency to overthink genie wishes and now trying to overanalyze what a genie mole considers worthy, so it's probably best to leave it at that yeah because otherwise I could start a whole other conversation

But also Diglett work on farms so the food aspect wouldn't entirely be wrong.

[fair thicket]

no idea. I know at least one of the error threads I made is closed, but not sure if that means the issue has been resolved on their end (especially with the sprite sheets now). Not sure how to bring it up. 🤔 Re-open the thread or check in, perhaps?
But yeah, I wanted to know if this is something I needed to coordinate with the both of you or if there was something already established.

[boreal prairie]

In my D&D setting I made a list of three "rules" (like the genie in aladin) for each of the different elemental genies about what kind of wishes they grant and I like that a little better than just making them always trying to nitpick trick you haha

[jagged ledge]

Ooh cool! And yeah that makes sense lol. Look at Jiralett. They wouldn't genie trick anyone, they're too pure

[boreal prairie]

Instead you have to be the nitpicker who tries to justify how your wish fits the rules!

[jagged ledge]

Exactly

[ebon warren]

No it isn’t already established, likely because this wasn’t an issue or possibility previously. If any of the threads on this issue are still open send a message on it and check in, otherwise I’d open another one to add this clarification on top. If Chanseys and Unowns need to collaborate, I’m all for it, they’d just have to let us know

[jagged ledge]

Responds?

Appears?

Emerges?

[jagged ledge]

312.191.

I know we're probably not technically supposed to say Halloween, but what other scary holidays featuring trick-or-treaters are there? I mean there's canonically a Pokemon move called Trick-or-treat, so I personally think the term is fine, but maybe changing the terms to "Autumn Festivals" and "Passing Children" could help?

[boreal prairie]

I literally told myself halloween might not be okay but trick or treat has to be because of that move lol

[jagged ledge]

It's a genuine sort of Catch 22 yeah lol

Kinda like how Santa kinda exists more than Christmas in Pokemon lol

[jagged ledge]

313.191. Looks great, no notes.

289.376.

Love it and hate it at the same time. Love the idea, hate that I'm crying lol. My actual one note of advice is maybe smooth out the comma in the first sentence a little? "Allowing them to work" or "Instead working" maybe?

282.50. Just a cute little guy being helpful! I like the imagery of them popping up from the hole in a splash being what the sprite depicts. No notes.

[jagged ledge]

334.1.

I like both of the ideas a lot, they just don't feel the most connected and the first almost seems too short. Describing the motivation of the Flysaur or the feeling of travelers following it might help.

200.443. Tragic, depressing, great. Aside from the confusing start Worm already pointed out, no notes.

92.50.

Literally only one note. I don't think "merge" is the right word here.

Also once again Thank You for trying out my Dexdoku! I hope you enjoyed it!

[fair thicket]

@ebon warren I don't have all the information, but it does look like a few sprite filenames on fusiondex are still outdated #1315544218071994420 message
Kiwi suggests that they'll be corrected in the next site update, but I figured i'd tell you directly so you can confirm.
They also said they were renaming the filenames of my golduck/trevenant (55.439) sprites.

[boreal prairie]

Thanks for all your help and comments! and @fair thicket too! I'll tidy them up and submit in the morning, and maybe see if any spriters have something to say about them too.

[boreal prairie]

I do agree that they are kind of separate (which happens sometimes in real entries.) I'd embellish the oasis one but don't have much of an idea

It would be nice if either of the online dexes would show the custom entries now

[jagged ledge]

I agree, but I think that's a site coding thing that partly relates to when entries are uploaded to the game, so I understand the delay. I just hope it's something that can be figured out sooner rather than later.

[jagged ledge]

Of course! Happy to help! Sounds great!

[south berry]

Question: if a sprite on daena says "work in progress" but the sprite is in the game, is that one I can write an entry for or should I wait?

[jagged ledge]

Yeah, maybe something like "Buzzing about sandstorms, A POKENAME will guide lost trainers it stumbles across to an oasis."

[jagged ledge]

You can write an entry for it as long as it's a custom sprite with a green background. Sprite credits on recent updates are just being weird.

[south berry]

ah gotcha, in this case it is

[jagged ledge]

Yeah totally cool then

[fair thicket]

i think that just means that the credits haven't been finalized yet.

right, what Wildheart said

[south berry]

POKENAME resembles a pillow case overflowing with candy. While the contents of POKENAME are said to be blissfully sweet, they are also incredibly poisonous and unfit for consumption.

I'm kinda struggling with the second sentence because it definitely is pretty awkward but I'm trying to figure how to rephrase it

[jagged ledge]

"While the contents of POKENAME are described as sickeningly sweet, attempts to consume them will reveal they are only sickening."

[south berry]

oooh

S+

[jagged ledge]

Thank you lol

[south berry]

what's the policy for sharing credit for dex entries btw? If I submit this there's no possible way I should take sole credit since that was like 90% of the entry right there haha

[jagged ledge]

I think slap an & and the other name on there.

[south berry]

bless

[boreal prairie]

I would change to

While its aroma is described as sickeningly sweet, attempts to consume the contents of POKENAME reveals them to be only sickening.

Because the contents wouldn't be described that way if they weren't so something else has to be the described thing. (plus some small concision suggestions)

[jagged ledge]

Makes sense yeah

Well wait no

[south berry]

I'm not sure the candy gives off an aroma

[jagged ledge]

"Attempts to consume the contents of POKENAME." Unless you're suggesting eating the bag itself

[boreal prairie]

oh yeah sure

[jagged ledge]

I think the bag would be giving the aroma in this case

[boreal prairie]

It very much does, but also i got the thought from it being part Trubbish

[south berry]

Gotcha team

[boreal prairie]

oh sorry, you said the candy not that camdy

i guess you could decide it specifically doesn't have a scent like candy does, but that would make the dex entry harder to write haha

[fair thicket]

camdy

[south berry]

honestly I really like what you guys changed it to, so like even though it wasn't in my mind at first I think it's the way to go

[boreal prairie]

You should go to a fair and smell a cotton candy booth 🙂

[south berry]

and like that's true, smell isn't always the first sensation I think of candy but it does tie the whole entry together

[boreal prairie]

I am terrible at write about the sense of smell. it rarely if ever crosses my mind on its own haha

[south berry]

besides I'm 90% it can learn sweet scent so like, bonus points there haha

[fair thicket]

Sweet Scent, Smelly Scent

[nimble sage]

Feel free to use the aforementioned thread

[jagged ledge]

Wait what thread

I think Ziggaway was asking if there should be a thread

[ebon warren]

I asked if you could post there for now, so I’d strongly encourage it. Since Pory said it’s fine. If you get enough interest then you could make your own thread and copy the posts over at that point

If Pory had said no then a unique thread was the only option

But typically the project has to have a minimum amount of events and involvement first

[jagged ledge]

Ah ok gotcha

So just so I'm clear, I should try uploading my Dexdoku Templates in the Spritedoku thread?

[ebon warren]

You should post the templates in the thread, but start with the first one first

But before that

Post how you want it to work. Basically, rules

And when you post the first one, set a deadline (usually two weeks but it can be more or less)

If possible use the timer code so it tracks

And try to go back in every few days and reply to your message

Maximize the amount of people that see it

[jagged ledge]

How do I do timer code?

[ebon warren]

One sec

[ebon warren]

So this is the text:
<t:1737664200:F>

Here’s a website to set up what date and time you want:

https://discordtimestamp.com/

It will generate the numbers on the site and then you plug those into the text

[jagged ledge]

<t:1737565200:f>

Got it

I figure a week should be fine because they're existing sprites making new entries, but it's the first week and late at night, so an extra day and a noon reset should help.

[jagged ledge]

#1210021946105004052 message

How did I do?

[boreal prairie]

Good job! I do not have the editing tools (or time, probably) to make the fancy chart like yours. How do you think is the best way to "enter" the contest with my entries?

Also actually maybe we should talk about it tomorrow, its late here haha

[jagged ledge]

Before I say anything, understand the following emoji is not in reaction to you but my own thoughts.

I mean I do technically have Clip Studio open right now...

[jagged ledge]

Ok I have an idea. I can copy/paste the sprites and numbers in now and then tomorrow let me know when you've finished the edits for me to copy/paste in the text.

[boreal prairie]

You don't have to do that, it seems like a lot of work, but if you really want to, yes I can post the edits tomorrow! And I would appreciate it of you did 🙂

[south berry]

Question: I already think I know the answer to this but wanted to double check, italics and bold are probably not supported for dex entries, yeah?

or I guess the google form doesn't really allow for that anyways haha

[boreal prairie]

No, it does not work in game.

[jagged ledge]

Yeah, plain text only unfortunately.

[jagged ledge]

Eh, I don't mind lol. Copy/Pasting is the easy part

[ebon warren]

Yes, the form wouldn’t allow it, but also the coding for that type of formatting would show as characters that aren’t in the game, so at some point you’d either hit a roadblock or it would get flagged.
However, keep in mind that the entries should read as scholarly text, which wouldn’t include bold anything and would only have italics for formal names and titles, not for emphasizing something. Similarly, you typically will get flagged making something all capitals, although it is certainly possible if it is a quote of a fusion or some niche areas

[jagged ledge]

Surprise!

[past cypress]

Ayeeee

Proud of you dawg

[jagged ledge]

Thank you!

I'll do my best. 🫡

[sacred patio]

I’m back

Might write some entries during my free period

[sacred patio]

Congrats on the promotion

[boreal canyon]

you want one of mine for a dex ?

[sacred patio]

?

Sure

[sacred patio]

I’m indecisive so I can write entries for anyone who wants one, I have trouble choosing specific fusions on my own so sure

[boreal canyon]

i wonder if you could do smthing for this one

[sacred patio]

Cooking somethin up right now

[boreal canyon]

nice

if it can help, it was for the day "cursed" of spritober

[sacred patio]

Archeologists discovered POKENAME in an ancient tomb many years ago. Under the blazing sun it appears to only be a clay sculpture, but during cool desert nights it’s said that spirits can be found circled around it performing a long forgotten ritual.

Gotta check the character count on that one, may be too long

262…

[regal cedar]

[sacred patio]

Down to 254

Yes

Down to 250

Just enough

[sacred patio]

@boreal canyon

[jagged ledge]

Thank you!

[boreal canyon]

[boreal prairie]

Deokern 380.191 It falls from space and buries itself deep beneath the ground. If POKENAME takes root, the landscape is soon overrun with bizarre alien flora.

Celetini 251.147 It flits through time like a fish swims through water. It pauses in moments where nobody is around to see it, making it one of the rarest Pokémon in history, literally.

Jilett 381.50 If you rub a golden lamp buried in the dirt, you might discover a POKENAME. It grants any selfless wish that brings health or prosperity.

Duskern 312.191 On spooky holidays, POKENAME decorate porches and scare trick-or-treaters. It has a naturally sunny disposition, but can only feed on screams and shouts.

Shedlous 289.376 Neither head takes the lead and move with perfect synchronization. Those who look upon POKENAME feel as though they grieve the loss of a beloved partner they never met.

Mudlett 282.50 The shores of shallow streams are spotted with the burrows of POKENAME. It prevents floods by digging deep holes to drain the overflowing water.

Flysaur 334.1 If you follow a POKENAME while lost in the desert, you'll soon reach an oasis. It rapidly vibrates its wings to clean the dust from its bulb.

Misria 200.443 On days when dark clouds hang heavy in the sky but no rain falls, the sobbing cry of POKENAME can be heard high above. The jewels it carries are said to contain the forgotten dreams of those who passed too young.

Gaslett 92.50 POKENAME emerge as noxious fumes from abandoned graves. The musty air chokes and suffocates those who seek to pilfer these forgotten resting places.

congratz on the upgrade!

I didn't really come up with anything new for flysaur but i'm fine just putting this in

[pure agate]

<@&306953740651462656>

[sacred patio]

[stuck shoal]

yo what happened?