dex-entries-discussion

[narrow cosmos]

I try to tell myself that, because I'm definitely going to run into points where I can't do much more than something really basic. Or barely differential in the case of when I do both a fusion and its reverse, so it's the same two Pokemon halves needing to be described separate.

[jagged ledge]

Yeah, I feel that. Again, I did a LOT of Bulbasaur entries. What helps me is to make something out of small details or figure out behavioral patterns in the environment.

Like Bulbasaur/Dewgong, Bulbasaur/Slowbro and Bulbasaur/Vaporeon are all going to have similar habitats, so I make up details based on the sprite or imagine what role they would play in a shared ecosystem.

But at the same time

All of their bulbs bulbed bulbily

[narrow cosmos]

The real challenge is gonna be doing Unown bodies.

Behold! Letter! BUT RED!

[jagged ledge]

True! But now I want to try one for fun lol

[narrow cosmos]

I actually managed to make one for Happiny, so I'm happy to say I made one work.

I find it amusing that the reverse is actually fun to go with thematically because a lot of Unown head fusions can fall under the umbrella of "just find a way to make it eldritch/mysterious in behavior and your good"

[jagged ledge]

A collection of Unown appear to have gathered together in an attempt to communicate with humans. Unfortunately, what they are trying to say remains unknown.

[jagged ledge]

Unown head fusions are either the scariest or funniest things with very little in between lol

[jagged ledge]

It doesn't have an entry yet.

I'm gonna send it lol

[narrow cosmos]

Go for it, haha

[jagged ledge]

Sent!

[narrow cosmos]

In ancient times, whirlpools at sea were thought to be created by POKENAME, whose ravenous appetite would cause them to attempt to inhale and swallow the ocean itself and create the undersea vortexes

[jagged ledge]

I like the imagery and idea but it might be a bit of a run-on?

[jagged ledge]

Like are you saying they thought the fusion had the appetite or they thought it was responsible because of its appetite?

You're describing the thought and the thought behind the thought in the same sentence and it doesn't flow quite right to me.

[narrow cosmos]

The latter. I did send it in, though I did reword it slightly, not sure if it helped much though. 🤔

In ancient times, whirlpools were thought to be created by POKENAME on the sea bottom, their ravenous appetite causing them to attempt to inhale and swallow the ocean itself and create the undersea vortexes.

[jagged ledge]

A bit better, but still a bit confusing. (Also I most commonly hear the bottom of the sea be referred to as the sea floor, which also could save characters just as a note)

[narrow cosmos]

POKENAME is referred to as "The Devouring One" in some ancient legends. What appear to be tentacles are actually multiple tongues, which deliver paralyzing venom before dragging prey into its hungry maw.

[jagged ledge]

How's this?

POKENAME are ravenous and ferocious creatures that are able to devour nearly anything. In ancient times, it was believed that whirlpools were caused by famished POKENAME attempting to swallow the ocean itself.

[narrow cosmos]

Far better than what I made. 😅

[jagged ledge]

Hey it's alright, you made 350+ amazing entries already, it's ok if one needs a few tweaks. It's still a great idea

[jagged ledge]

Make that 351+ amazing entries! (Just maybe do a Ctrl+F on Devouring One because that seems like something that could have been referenced/named before.)

[narrow cosmos]

I appreciate it. It just shows that concise sentences seem to be my weakpoint, depending on the idea.

[jagged ledge]

Of course, no problem! And I totally get that. Trying to figure out something where you need to isolate or specify out of hundreds of thousands makes you tend to run on the longer side to play things up a bit. But every now and then when an idea clicks, it's best to run with what you got.

[proper coral]

tag mobilealt

[fair venture]

curious about the references part of the guidelines, is saying that a pokemon resembles something/someone from a far-off land too much or is that okay?

[jagged ledge]

The rule for referencing is that you can say it resembles a vague subject or displays a parallel behavior.

Say there is a reference sprite for Mario, rather than saying something like "Wahoo! It's a-Pokemon, Mario!" You could say "This Pokemon uses its overall-like coverings to protect itself from getting dirty as it travels through pipes." Or something like that.

[fair venture]

Cool, think I did that pretty well

[jagged ledge]

Ok cool. May I ask what the reference was?

[fair venture]

Did some of the RWBY sprites, haven't checked on the server in awhile and saw this, so decided to throw in some entries to a series I enjoy

[jagged ledge]

Oh cool! I'm also a huge Rwby fan!

[noble schooner]

Although they try to use their unique letter attributes to attempt communication... they still can only say their name XD

[jagged ledge]

Exactly

[small nest]

I've cracked the code! UNONW... hm...

[jagged ledge]

Please keep me updated on your progress. This is groundbreaking research in development

[nocturne shadow]

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POKENAME tempt unsuspecting tomb raiders into its domain with its alluring antics. Once enticed, POKENAME uses its ghostly limbs to squeeze the life force out of them. (I don't know how off I can be with it still being allowed, but I think this is fine)

I mean, it is a Loppuny fusion

[regal cedar]

Maybe inviting, or friendly, than seductive.

[nocturne shadow]

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When a Mimikyu enjoys feasting on a Diglett's carcass, the Mimikyu's body will mold with it, becoming a POKENAME. It will sneak into labours of Diglett to pick them off one by one to feast.

(Labours are groups of moles, aka Digletts)

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POKENAME only feast on those that are afraid. If a Pokemon fearfully swims away, POKENAME will catch them. However, they will begrudgingly retreat if their pray stand their ground.

[boreal prairie]

A Mimikyu that feasts on a Diglett carcass will merge with it and become a POKENAME. It then sneaks into labours of Diglett to pick them off one by one.

concision siggestions.
Are mimikyu entries usually this gruesome? lol

[nocturne shadow]

Pokemon Shield - There was a scientist who peeked under Mimikyu’s old rag in the name of research. The scientist died of a mysterious disease.

Pokemon can be crazy

[foggy sparrow]

As a Mimikyu fan I can confirm this is true.
-# Ain’t it just a cute lil murderous goofball?!

[boreal prairie]

It only feasts on those that are afraid, so when a Pokémon fearfully swims away from it, POKENAME will catch them. However, they begrudgingly retreat if potential prey stand its ground.

concision suggestions. Interesting idea. You in a "feasting" mood today?

[nocturne shadow]

The best pets are the ones you are afraid of

[nocturne shadow]

Nah, not really. Well...now that you said something lol

[foggy sparrow]

HELL YEAH

[boreal prairie]

It lures unsuspecting adventurers into [its domain] with its seductive alluring antics. Once enticed, POKENAME uses its ghostly limbs to squeeze the life force out of its victim.

small concision suggestions, plus maybe alluring will be more allowed than seductive. I thought perhaps there is potential to add an idea about tomb robbing/pyramid thiefs around where you say "its domain" because of the egyptian connection?

But also if you use alluring you have to change lure

[nocturne shadow]

That's fair. I just wondered what was allowed since pokemon an be very violent, but once sudictiveness gets involved, people get antsy

[hexed fog]

now for a masse change correction of every single misspelled 'Poké Ball'

[nocturne shadow]

I have no problem changing it tho

[hexed fog]

wow only one

not bad

[boreal prairie]

How many entries mention poké balls at all i wonder

[hexed fog]

oh shoot

poké balls

good catch

[nocturne shadow]

Probably most of the Voltorb/Electrode fusions

[hexed fog]

well done

it's the é

it's always the é

[boreal prairie]

It entraps unsuspecting tomb robbers with alluring illusions. Once enticed, POKENAME uses its ghostly limbs to squeeze the life force out of its victim.

@nocturne shadow Do you like this idea? A dash more flavor? (i love cofagrigus so hope you don't mind me adding a little on)

[nocturne shadow]

Is there any lore as to where The Red Orb is from? The ruby used for summoning Groundon?

[nocturne shadow]

I do like the illusions part. I'll add it in!

[hexed fog]

where are my Beldum lenses being used in microscopes

and then a telescope

and then goggles

gogogogo

make me 3 cool ones

also gimme an entry for a goomy that uses its mucus in paint

or grimer that assist in plumbing

or muk assisting in unclogging sewage lines

gimme all those cool ones

prompt tf outta it

[nocturne shadow]

I can do something similar for a Duosion/Smeargle fusion if that fits

[boreal prairie]

does beldum gastly line have an entry already (spreadsheet doesnt play well on mobile)

[nocturne shadow]

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The core of a POKENAME's body grants it immeasurable fire power. It is said that its core is the red orb used for summoning Groudon.

[nocturne shadow]

Neither fusion do so go wild!

[fair thicket]

Uhhhh I’m on mobile can someone tell me if any of my recent entries got accepted?
I don’t wanna risk bricking my phone attempting to access the spreadsheet

[hexed fog]

I'm on mobile too

[hexed fog]

Everything up to 1/7 should be reviewed

[fair thicket]

That doesn’t answer my question. I’ll just wait until I can access desktop, then

[nocturne shadow]

If you mean the Absol one, yeah, it's approved

Steelix/Ratata did not however

[fair thicket]

I meant all of them, but I getcha
Steelix/Rattata… must’ve been a collab, I think? Was that the one rejected for Mohs?

[boreal prairie]

134 Beltly 291.92 A POKENAME's eye is more powerful than any lens produced by science. Occult practitioners use POKENAME to spy across vast distances. @crude dagger

174 Belter 291.93 A controversy arose when it was discovered an astronomer used POKENAME to glimpse visions of distant planets. Every world seen by POKENAME were dark and twisted nightmares. @honest plank

181 Belgar 291.94 To behold the eye of POKENAME renders all but the strongest of wills catatonic. Mystics claim that it can see everything about what it turns its eyes to, past, present, and future. @fickle charm

sort of diverged from the prompt but they ended up kinda of creepy and cool I think.

[crude dagger]

one question

where's beltly's plural eyes coming from

also a dark and twisted nightmare[s]?

also youve got a double space in belgar but like its not as bad you just might want to fix it for visuals' sake

< the nitpicker

[small nest]

All of your recent entries have been approved except for Steelix/Rattata, which references the Mohs scale.

[boreal prairie]

Yeah my idea was that they could spy on distant worlds that are all like Uzumaki nightmare planets

(i support nitpicking :D)

[crude dagger]

okay but like

a nightmares

[boreal prairie]

Oh, yes, I will fix

[crude dagger]

it should probably just be a nightmare, singular

yeah

everything about what[ ] it turns its eyes to, the double space is here in belgar's

[boreal prairie]

Your beltly sprite is really cool by the way

[crude dagger]

thanks

[fair thicket]

“Everything about what it turns its eyes to” is a bit messy, hmm 🤔

[jagged ledge]

POKENAME are very curious creatures, producing a mucus-like slime from their tails that takes on vivid colors based on their diet. It is said that their paintings hold the answers to nearly any question.

(Cuz the fusion name is Google )

[fair thicket]

🤔 I feel like the curiosity should be tied to the second sentence, as most of the first is spent talking about the goo, so it seems a bit non-sequitur

[boreal prairie]

201 Gribird 88.225 POKENAME tidy up sewer systems, scrubbing grime and packaging waste with its Trubbish assistant. The residents of its home city endure its smelly gifts in exchange for exceptionally clean pipes. @cold folio

could use some concision I think.

174 Mubird 89.225 During the holidays, POKENAME inspects the sewage system for damage and neglect. It patches up leaks with sticky grime and sludge, or uses explosive garbage to clear blockages. @cold folio

I feel like this could use an extra detail 🤔

[small nest]

Though their paintings were once said to hold the answer to nearly any question, lately all they paint is Porygons - and not even helpful ones, it's really pretty bad these days.

[fair thicket]

Are blockages full of explosive garbage cleared or does it explode garbage to clear blockages?
The latter is likely what is meant, but there’s a bit of ambiguity

[boreal prairie]

it is the second. give me a second to reword or do you have an idea?

eh that works right?

[jagged ledge]

That's too funny lol

[jagged ledge]

POKENAME produce a mucus-like slime that takes on vivid colors based on their diet. They are very curious by nature, painting potential answers to their questions before they can even ask them, causing nobody to understand what they're painting.

[jagged ledge]

POKENAME can't be bothered to check their sources and promote paintings designed by the highest bidders. They often take broad ideas with conflicting meanings and ship them off as one low-effort painting.

[fair thicket]

Last sentence needs a smidge of TLC.

“They are curious by nature, painting potential answers to their questions before they can even ask them. Unfortunately, this means no one else can understand their paintings.”
😅 Not sure what that comes out to, character-wise. And I’m a doof and didn’t realize that was a joke about autocomplete until just now

[jagged ledge]

Uh... yes, that was definitely the intention and not just a little silly quirk I made up to fill space with information.

[jagged ledge]

POKENAME produce a mucus-like slime that takes on vivid colors based on their diet. They are very curious by nature, painting potential answers to their questions before they can even ask them, causing any potential viewers to question the question.

That one's a little silly but I'm struggling a little on how to edit the second part cohesively lol

[gentle frost]

Maybe “painting potential answers to a question before one even asks it” would be a little less awkward sounding?

[jagged ledge]

Well originally the idea was for the fusion to be painting the answers to their own questions as a sort of messy brainstorming thing, but that sounds like a great idea if we're going the autofill angle

[hexed fog]

yall should make a goldeen entry where it blocks vents of water treatment plants to clean its scales 😉

or a goldeen entry where it brings pieces of sunken ships to the shore as presents for swimmers

or a goldeen that bites the sides of fishing lines to break them stealing the bait as drifts to the lake floor 😉

or a goldeen that can be fried with Nanab Berries and served in tacos

[hexed fog]

just sayiiiing

or a goldeen thats scales are used in scented candals at releases an intense smell of the sea

[jagged ledge]

Lol.

I need to get dinner and see what's wrong with my computer (Over a day and a half to download a Marvel Rivals update is insane even for my mess of a laptop) but I can do some Goldeen Entries later, sure

[boreal prairie]

Did this work for your grimer prompt? :#dex-entries-discussion message

[hexed fog]

Yessss

[nocturne shadow]

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The two colors are controlled by POKENAME's two halves of its brain. If its two halves can cooperate, its membrane-like body turns into a deep purple, heightening its psychic abilities.

I love duosion and all of its lines.

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When POKENAME are threatened, their tail shines, releasing electromagnetic waves. This causes intense migraines in the aggressor as well as anyone in its proximity.

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Contrary to popular belief, if a POKENAME is seen hitting its skull with its club, it is not in a depressive state. It is actually cracking its shell so that when it heals, it becomes more durable.

[hexed fog]

We need a pokemon that digs up clay for urns

[nocturne shadow]

Like to make urns, or turns urns into clay/dirt

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Using their Magnemite-like fists, POKENAME engage in boxing matches with other POKENAME. Because they can reach up to 20 feet, they take advantage of their long range.

Wanted to make this one an Arms reference

[hexed fog]

Make urns

[nocturne shadow]

I see.

If we had Baltoy or Claydol, it would be so easy

We need them lol

[hexed fog]

A water or ground pokemon with hands

I task thee

[hollow nimbus]

POKENAME and Pokémon are irregular nouns, meaning that you don't inflect them while pluralizing

In layman's terms, when you are talking about multiple POKENAME or Pokémon, don't add an s

[nocturne shadow]

Ok, thanks for telling me!

[hollow nimbus]

What do you mean by reach? Like they have long arms?

[hollow nimbus]

Not your fault at all, but I'm having a hard time reading the fusion
What mon is this?

[nocturne shadow]

Basically. The electricity are their arms, so I imagined them using electricity to extend them

[nocturne shadow]

Magneton/Froslas

[hollow nimbus]

Are the heads with the electric eyes supposed to be fists in this instance?

[nocturne shadow]

It looked to me as the Magnemites were more treated as husks, hence why they don't have eyes like the one at the top. They looked more like gauntlets than heads

[hollow nimbus]

Since this sprite is so hard to read, you may have to be a bit more descriptive

First establish that the extra heads are used as fists, then say how they have long reach

[nocturne shadow]

So like "Using their Magnemite-like fists...."?

I could replace "to train" with this prompt

[fair thicket]

??? Wha-? last we left it, Ziggaway left these two comments: #dex-entries-discussion message #dex-entries-discussion message and the only further comment from Izik was that they didn't care about submitting their version of the dex entry under their own name #dex-entries-discussion message
So I guess I'm just supposed to infer that Izik evaluated Ziggaway's comments and nonetheless rejected the submission? That wasn't clear at all, and would have benefited from being stated outright. :/

[hollow nimbus]

Hm, I haven't looked at your entries, and I'm not really sure what the situation is, so I'm unable to advise you

I wish I could be more help, but in this instance, I'm just out of the loop

[fair thicket]

Eh, there are a couple candidate dex entries I'm particularly close to that have gotten rejected. I'm not sure if I'm just being oversensitive or whatnot.

[boreal prairie]

It can be painful to get hard rejections lile that. You can always post them and @ me and i can take a look and see what i can do to help them get in guidelines.

[fair thicket]

I think the thing that miffs and confuses me is that both got rejected for not fitting the guideline about traits that neither base species possess (e.g., a fusion talking if neither of the ingredient pokemon can) but one of the first entries you see on the spreadsheet is oricorio/machamp's approved entry: Its pompoms are meant to spell "SLAY". Unfortunately, it is dyslexic. and as far as I know neither oricorio or machamp know how to read.

So yeah, it stings. :/ And feels arbitrary, ig

[boreal prairie]

I wouldn't take it personal for a fan project if the rules don't seem especially consistently enforced. Unfair luck of the draw with who happens to be "on duty". I'm sure @hexed fog would have rejected that one.

We worked on getting the Absol/Bewear closer right? Was there another one like that?

[hexed fog]

It's also possible that I made an error lol

Worm please calm down I just misunderstood

[boreal prairie]

I think Worm is calm, just a little sad.

[fair thicket]

I've been a bit crankier than normal today, though trying to keep it in check 😔

[hexed fog]

Ok so my understanding is that 2 unown advised to reword it, i said a reword and you said no?

Which means it did not get reworded

Or am I still misunderstanding

[fair thicket]

That wasn't how I interpreted the exchange. Gimme a sec to get my thoughts together. 🤔

[hexed fog]

Trying to read this on mobile sorry if I'm misunderstanding

[boreal prairie]

Eventually you learn to roll with rejection as another prompt. There is never a perfect bit of writing, there is only the right moment for what happens to show up. Rejection means, change it a little to better match the new moment. That doesn't mean the first was bad or a waste.

[hexed fog]

Yea that

Sorry I'm very sleepy from work

[fair thicket]

Ziggaway, the other unown, said this:

What I’d recommend is making the entry cogent and understandable even if the reader misses the humor. 

to which I asked them to clarify that they were saying my entry wasn't understandable #dex-entries-discussion message
to which Ziggaway replied

I was more adding context so @Izik (Team Encounter) could respond since he asked me for my input.

which implied to me that I should wait for Izik's thoughts before proceeding.

[hexed fog]

Oh np you can!

If you reply with you want you can always update an entry it's not that serious:)

There's no penalizing or penalty or something like that

[fair thicket]

Not that it was a penalty, but that I thought you would have stated outright if you read Ziggaway's commentary and nonetheless reached the same conclusion as before.

[hexed fog]

It's all good 🙂 Just a misunderstanding on my end

Apologies!

I'm excited to see your entry

[hollow nimbus]

I suggest not looking at the very earliest entries for an example of what to do
Some of those were approved before we had Unowns

[fair thicket]

Your comment was something like "maybe I'm wrong 🤔 " and then pinging Ziggaway for a second opinion
I was never told whether you ended up changing your mind or not

[hexed fog]

Yep I have the capability of being wrong 🙂 my husband reminds me daily

[hollow nimbus]

There were like 50-ish entries approved before I got edit permission?
And I was, iirc, the first staff helper to get edit permission

[hexed fog]

Sounds lovely

[boreal prairie]

how many entries are there now

[hexed fog]

So manyyyyyy

[fair thicket]

Unfortunately, the structure of the spreadsheet makes it really easy to interpret the first several entries as intended to be exemplary:
e.g., what gets rejected? media references, fourth wall breaks, spam, entries that are too short, replaced entries
what can be approved? moves, in-game items, speculations based on real-world animal behavior, etc

[hollow nimbus]

Yeah
Nothing I can do about that

Some of those were done by the people who were making the sheet to make sure that the filters they put in were functioning correctly

[fair thicket]

approved or all?
13506, according to the spreadsheet

[dire silo]

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"This titanic lord of the pelagic ocean is known as the Fortress Whale. According to legend, the wizard Hyal built a castle on the back of one with which he made an oath. Called Hyal’s Mobile Fortress, in it he traveled the whale roads of the world."

What do you guys think?

[hexed fog]

Sounds like ya didn't read the faq lol

References to other media should stay vague and make sense in the pif world

[dire silo]

Which part? If you mean the part about avoiding direct references to external media, I would consider these indirect allusions, since they can be read logically in-world.

Sorry, I had just finished typing when you sent your explanation.

[boreal prairie]

You could switch the approved entries list to be the landing page. small irea that might help

[hollow nimbus]

iirc it is the landing page

But when you page over to the submitted entries tab, you'll be put at the top of the list

[dire silo]

I took the important point about references simply to be making sense in-world, which I understood to mean that the entry could be parsed without specific external knowledge.

[hollow nimbus]

I don't think PIF has any wizards named Hyal?

Or just the Pokémon canon in general

[dire silo]

Neither does any media that I know

I specify that it is a legend, which is open to interpretation.

[hollow nimbus]

Additionally, entries should describe the species as a whole instead of specific individuals

[boreal prairie]

According to legend, wizards built mobile castles on the backs of POKENAME, sometimes called Fortress Whales or the titans of the ocean. Make an oath to protect the sea and it might allow you to travel the whale roads alongside it.

Rough attempt at generalizing it while keeping your Howl reference

Could be a little long

[hexed fog]

Yesssss

We can shorten if it is

[dire silo]

I suppose that could work, with five fewer characters.

[fair thicket]

You never told me that you reconsidered your earlier assessment and came to the same conclusion. That's the issue here, not the rejection.

I don't want to drag this out, but I don't feel like I'm being understood. >.<

[boreal prairie]

easy to cut out "titanic" I think, if you like it overall. I think the idea of it being a moving castle was a cool idea by the way

there edited a little shorter

[dire silo]

Thanks. I'll work on it a little more.

[hexed fog]

No i still agree with zigg and the orinal person who suggested it needed to be reworded

Lol orinal

[boreal prairie]

I decided to edit it to titans of the ocean, removing lords, because if you had to pick one titan and ocean evoke both sides of aggron and wailord.

[fair thicket]

Thank you for letting me know. If such a thing ever happens again, please let me know as soon as you reach that conclusion rather than leaving me hanging again.

[hexed fog]

Yeeeee!

[narrow cosmos]

POKENAME is able to smell out the unique scent of money with its large nose. Many find POKENAME scrounging in their homes, wriggling into small spaces where loose change can be found.

Just a little catbug that digs into your couch cushions for pennies.

[boreal prairie]

POKENAME sniffs out the unique scent of money with its large nose. POKENAME scrounge around [adjective] homes, wriggling into small tight spaces to find loose change.

concision suggestions. i like this one for really tying the two fusions together in equal measure.

rewording a little left the entry a little sparse, but you can just go back to the longer grammar if you can't think of a way to describe the house.

[hollow nimbus]

(I personally prefer S.K.'s version, but both are fine)

Actually, I take that back

[fair thicket]

probably won't. I think I'm too close and too... precious ig - about entries for my own sprites, so i think I'll stick to writing for others or offering critique, which I seem to be much better at. Hence why I said you (or whomever) could submit your rewrite. 😔

[boreal prairie]

Yeah they are just suggestions to consider. I find that the shorter the entries are the nicer they look in the game, so I give a "maximalist" edit to give the original author ideas.

[hollow nimbus]

Ozy, in your entry, the word scrounge is treating homes like an object, but scrounging is not a verb that has an object

[fair thicket]

truffle hog but a worm 😌

[hollow nimbus]

That can be fixed by inserting a preposition

[fair thicket]

okay i was gonna say that they had "scrounge around" but then I noticed it was edited

[narrow cosmos]

I'm glad you like the combination, sometimes these things just pop into your head as soon as you see the sprite and think about the gimmicks of the two halves.

POKENAME sniffs out the unique scent of money with its large nose. POKENAME scrounges around most human homes, wriggling into tight spaces where loose change can be found.

I was having a tough time finding an adjective to use because I imagined it being found in just about any average home, rather than tending towards filthy/unorganized/cluttered, etc homes. Anybody can lose a few coins around the house after all. 🤔

[hollow nimbus]

I'd replace the second POKENAME with it to avoid repeating the same word

The type of home isn't important, it sounds like, so don't worry about it

Not every entry needs to paint a descriptive picture in the mind

[boreal prairie]

Yeah, the only idea I had was "messy". Maybe best to just leave it at most (even if most is a weasel word, it fits here )

[fair thicket]

🤔 could do something about ground-level homes? whereas it's harder to reach apartments?

or could be they're more often found in homes more densely populated That's not the word I'm looking for. Something about the opposite? More homes closer together vs random homes in the middle of nowhere?

[boreal prairie]

I don't think you should stop writing entries for your sprites, I think that is a great connection to have. Just try to remember to take suggestions how they come, and know that at least from me, they are always to help make you make the best version of your idea. I'm especially up for helping entries that got rejected get a second chance.

[fair thicket]

Or the more you use credit, the less likely you'll find a truffle worm

[narrow cosmos]

Think of the Meowdle, people! Always keep a few loose coins around your house for the sake of the cute cat-bug!

💳 🚫

[fair thicket]

heh. I'll stick to my design doc for now. That way my ideas'll get in, even if they're not in my words.
Like that thing about lawyers never representing themselves in court.

[boreal prairie]

Make the decision that's best for you. Maybe you can post in here when you get a new sprite accepted and we can help write the entry?

[jagged ledge]

Toss a coin to your catbug

[fair thicket]

~~dammit, i don't know enough about The Witcher to play off this joke! ~~

[jagged ledge]

I don't know anything about it aside from that line

[narrow cosmos]

It moves slowly, staying within sunlight and shifting its wings, before flapping in place. It does this to gather heat from sunlight in its wings, then warm its body by flapping; the warmth will expedite its evolution process.

[jagged ledge]

Hey, you're always welcome here no matter who's sprites you're writing for. (I'm pretty sure izik would appreciate the help on the wild encounter list lol) and if you ever have concepts or sprites to run by us, I'd be happy to give them a go!

(Though izik has first dibs on my prompt entries tonight )

[small nest]

Izik has written something like 2800 entries, we've only gotten the ones up to October 28th approved

[fair thicket]

oh for fluck's sake

Sometimes, the sound and shape of a cave-dwelling Noivern may merely be the mimicry of a POKENAME. Attacks against it are reflected back with amplified force, making escape nearly impossible.

Shadow Tag. Escape is nigh impossible because it has Shadow Tag. Not because of the counterattacks.

😔 here was the original:

Sometimes, the sound and shape of a cave-dwelling Noivern may merely be the mimicry of a POKENAME, but don't mistake your relief for safety: escape is nigh impossible, and attacks inflicted against POKENAME will echo back threefold.

can we, like, have an extra text box on the submission form so unowns have more information when they make their edits? could also be useful if you're just reuploading to fix a typo or replace an older entry

[timid sky]

https://tenor.com/view/watch-your-mouth-watch-your-profanity-watch-it-gif-5600117

[boreal prairie]

It struts slowly in the afternoon heat, precisely positioning its wings before flapping in place. The warmth it gathers from the sunlight expedites its evolution process.

just some repetition clean up and suggestions (a lot of the second sentence was repeating the first).

[small nest]

it might have frisk or infiltrator or telepathy tho

[fair thicket]

It's my lati@s-catcher. That's why I sprited it in the first place. 😔

[boreal prairie]

I do think it is a shame to lose the echo idea because that was a cool serendipity of Wobuffet and Noivern

[narrow cosmos]

Appreciate it. I do agree mostly that shorter entries tend to feel better. Being brief is apparently my weak point, I keep overexplaining or repeating myself.

[small nest]

I kid, I understand that we're allowed to mention Pokémon's powers even if a specific individual might not have it ingame. The thing is, if it confused an Unown, it might have confused a player who caught it. We do try to avoid that. When I get an entry rejected because the checker didn't understand an allusion I made, I try to take it as feedback that I need to make it more generally understandable.

Even so, it is fine to let us know if we missed stuff like that. We can get the other Unown's opinions and see if it was just the checker being silly.

[narrow cosmos]

It rests among windy areas while awaiting evolution to finish. The breeze stimulates parts of itself that produce psychic energy, allowing it to use telekinesis to defend itself from predators.

(Man these funny hula birds will be the death of me)

[boreal prairie]

Noticing your own repetition is one of the most difficult things to do! It is like some weird mental block humans have, haha. That's why showing to other people is so valuable

[small nest]

In other words, having an extra submission box would be of limited value, because players won't see it. If it confuses us, it may confuse them.

[boreal prairie]

I thought I did an edit that shortened things up. Maybe consider looking at this one a bit and resubmitting @fair thicket

[boreal prairie]

It rests in windy areas to await its evolution, where the breeze stimulates its psychic energy. It uses telekinesis to defend itself from predators.

Hm, maybe I got carried away. It almost feels like this is 1.5 ideas? I think the image is cool, of it sitting still while mind pushing things away from it... 🤔

[fair thicket]

It'd be for the editor. Let's say you read an entry and are all set to approve it, then unhide (or whatnot) the extra textbox explaining what the submitter was going for and realize there's a whole angle that didn't come through. Thus the unown can 1) make revisions that capture the intended spirit (e.g., if it's something a simple word choice can fix) or 2) send it back for edits.
it'd definitely help in the cases where you workshop a specific phrasing to perfection and then find the entry accepted - with the perfect phrasing rewritten to mean something else entirely.

[boreal prairie]

I tend to think that ideas that basically say, "It uses [pokemon type power] to [fight]" feel less impactful.

[narrow cosmos]

I mean, it gets the point across with everything I've added, I'm just not sure if there's much else too add to spice it up between the two Pokemon's gimmicks, a problem I often run into with some off-the-wall combos. 🤔

Perhaps an additive of something like "Excessively high winds may cause it to release explosive bursts of psychic energy." ? 🤔

[narrow cosmos]

I'm sorry, my creativity is tapping me out on these combos sometimes!

[fair thicket]

the problem isn't that the entry was rejected, though; it was accepted... and rewritten

[boreal prairie]

Yeah but I assume it was rewritten for length and for being too specific about power, which I think my suggestion maybe did a better balance between your idea and their rewrite.

[fair thicket]

without an explanation from the unown, i've got no idea what it was changed for

[boreal prairie]

Don't worry, I understand that metapod/oricorio is probably not going to blow anyone's socks off . Was just trying to articulate (mostly for myself, really) what I meant by 1.5 ideas.

I do like the idea of consequences for high winds though. Maybe tie it to the evolution idea, it can get blown away too early?

[narrow cosmos]

It rests in windy areas to await its evolution, where the breeze stimulates its psychic energy. It uses telekinesis to defend itself from predators. If winds grow too forceful, however, it must use telekinesis to stay in place, hampering its evolution speed.

Perhaps? Might remove the "however" in the last sentence. 🤔

Oh, I had to, it's too long otherwise.

[boreal prairie]

It rests in windy areas to await its evolution, where the breeze stimulates its psychic energy. It uses telekinesis to defend itself from predators. If the winds grow too forceful, it uses telekinesis to hold steady, hampering its evolution speed.

Very good addition! If we are hurting for space, the middle sentence I think can come out completely.

(and I pretty much think however can always be cut 😉)

[small nest]

I get where you're coming from. It might be better when we're caught up - we accumulated a backlog of thousands of entries during the Gitlab crisis and are trying to work through it.

@hexed fog what are your thoughts on this?

Since you're online

[boreal prairie]

what does the yellow moon icon mean on somebodies status

[small nest]

just that they're not actively using discord at the moment, i believe

[boreal prairie]

Oh okay. I was gonna ask Frog if he could put my writing tip in the pinned message, I'll wait until he is green

[fair thicket]

There was something about the emphasis in the first entry - "awaiting evolution to finish" - that I liked, but can't quite explain why. 🤔 Something in reminding the reader that this is a metapod, and there's one more evolution until it's fully evolved, and what metapod does is harden wait.

[fair thicket]

Thought it was "Do Not Disturb". like if you don't want someone to know if you're online or not
could be misremembering

[narrow cosmos]

Honestly when it comes to Kakuna and Metapod fusions that's usually something I default to for ideas, out of necessity; their whole thing is being cocoons and waiting to evolve after all.

Glad you enjoyed it.

The organs at the end of its limbs store electricity gathered from ambient static in the air. When threatened, POKENAME will use these organs to electrify its shell as a defense mechanism.

Not gonna be surprised if Ozy has to really hammer this one down. 😅

[hexed fog]

I'm barely conscious. Brain work later after sleepies

[fair thicket]

well, my immediate thought for concision would be

The organs at the end of its limbs store electricity gathered from ambient static in the air. When threatened, POKENAME electrifies its shell as a defense mechanism.

not sure if "static" needs to be "static electricity"? not sure if I've heard "static" used on its own in this context before
i feel like "defense mechanism" has a snappier replacement 🤔

[narrow cosmos]

🤔

The organs at the end of its limbs store energy gathered from static electricity in the air. When threatened, POKENAME electrifies its shell as a deterrent for predators.

Perhaps. 🧐

[fair thicket]

not saying my version's better, just more concise 😅

[jagged ledge]

I promise you that by this time tomorrow there will be at least 5 new Goldeen Entries and at least one will be from a prompt of yours.

But right now I'm playing Marvel Rivals

[boreal prairie]

It gathers ambient static from the air with the organs at the end of its wings. When threatened, POKENAME electrifies its shell as a deterant.

I think it is pretty good! a little extra rewording plus Worm's trim.

Could we find space to keep the waiting to evolve theme?

Also, are they "organs"? I always thought they were like balls of feathers

[narrow cosmos]

I adjusted them to organs because I didn't want to call them pom-poms and I was uncertain about calling them feathers. Given they don't seem as feather like as the Pokemon they're based on. 🤔

Nothing stopping them from being feathers though, I suppose.

"It gathers ambient static from the air with the feathers at the end of its wings. When threatened, POKENAME electrifies its shell as a deterrent. Its evolution process is halted while electrified."

[fair thicket]

"organs" is a good generic word

🤔 hang on, i feel like there's a term for hair- or feather-like structures for an insect?

[narrow cosmos]

Chitin?

[fair thicket]

no no, something more like pili shoot, what is it

setae?

or is that too technical, do you think?

[narrow cosmos]

I think it sounds a bit too technical a term to use, in my opinion.

[boreal prairie]

"plumose antenna" is what I get from googling. Perhaps, plumose appendages?

[fair thicket]

"bristle" might work, perhaps. that's what "seta" apparently means in latin

plumose is another good word, yeah, and since it shares the root of "plumage" you're less likely to have to send someone to the dictionary

plumose bristles if you feel like combining the two. idk

[boreal prairie]

Did you just make a new sprite for your avatar worm?

[fair thicket]

it's more that i had the avatar to remind myself to make that sprite. 😌 so

[jagged ledge]

I like the sprite!

[hexed fog]

edited this one for repetition, readability and clarity

I thought I included that on the sheet. one sec

and yeah what Joost said, we don't aim to just rewrite entries.

Lets put it this way, how many pokedex entries in the main games do you look at and go "what do they mean by that?"

it's not a slight to you, but sometimes it's hard for an author of an entry to realize that it may not be clear to others. this is why Unown cannot approve their own entries

lord knows I read back on some of my entries like "wtf was I going for on that?"

also yeah adding an extra box would be a bit much

[fair thicket]

I have no idea what this means. Are you talking about my suggestion of an extra text box on the submission form? Or something about the entry itself?

[fair thicket]

I understand that. That’s why I workshop entries here before submitting them, and when reviewing others’, try my damnedest to explain why I think a phrasing should be changed, even if it’s just “idk vibes?”

[hexed fog]

if you would like I can deny the entry and you can resubmit?

again, it's not a problem. it's a pokemon fangame

I was simply doing what I could with the text in the box since I believed I understood where you were coming from. If you don't approve I can easily just change it back so it can be fixed by you

[fair thicket]

I would like better feedback.
What was repetitive, what was unreadable, what was unclear?

[hexed fog]

Worm. If I had to breakdown every single entry we denied we would never get anything done.

you asked for why it was denied, this is why

The term "POKENAME" is used twice in a way that feels redundant. The first instance establishes that it’s mimicking, and the second instance reiterates without adding new information. The sentence structure is dense and slightly convoluted. The connection between mimicry, relief, and the consequences of an attack isn’t immediately clear. This could make it difficult for readers to follow the cause-and-effect relationship. The phrase "escape is nigh impossible" feels vague. Is it due to the cave structure, Noivern’s abilities, or the mimicry itself? The entry doesn’t specify the reason, leaving readers uncertain about the mechanics of escape being thwarted. The "attacks inflicted against POKENAME will echo back threefold" could also benefit from clarification. Does it mean physical attacks or all types of damage? Is this due to an ability or an environmental effect?

I did my best to tackle each of these issues in your entry in the revision.

[ebon warren]

Oh lord yes I have had to ask you on some of them, as you know

[hexed fog]

I understand you are not happy about getting your entry reworded, and I have offered to revert it and deny it. We can do that if you would like this way you have the ability to rewrite.

Again, this is a Pokemon Pokedex Entry in a Fangame. I am doing my unpaid hobby to rewrite it to the best of MY ability. I am sorry if this offends you but honestly I don't know what else to say.

[fair thicket]

Thank you. It’s a lot easier to muse on a rewrite if I know what needs fixing.

[hexed fog]

should I deny this so you can rewrite it?

[dense shard]

Finally, I'm home. For the 267.267.png, the words "Alternating Current and Direct Current" can be either capitalized or not. I intended to capitelize them as a subtle reference to ACDC (I was listening to it when writing that entry), but if it's a problem, then it can easily be undone. Should I resubmit and/or correct?

[fair thicket]

Alright, I’m gonna wait to reply until I’m off mobile since I’m failing to communicate effectively. >.<

[hexed fog]

lol can you rewrite that one for me? just poke me when you submit and I'll grab it

[dense shard]

Ok, but with or wothout caps?

[hexed fog]

without pleeeease ❤️

[dense shard]

perfecto

[hexed fog]

denials are never permanent, we can rewrite things it's not a biggie

[dense shard]

For 106.99.png, the quotes are not important, should they go out?

[hexed fog]

yeah, try avoid adding extra quotes or caps where they aren't needed so it doesn't cause confusion

were you the one who kept capitalizing 'fire'

or was that someone else lol

you have to understand I went through like hundreds of these over the course of like 2 days and can't remember crap

https://tenor.com/view/it-was-all-a-blur-malik-tosin-morohunfola-friend-request-i-dont-remember-gif-17786332

[dense shard]

I don't recall writing entries about many fire types

[ebon warren]

Ideally, as Unowns we could simply go through the list of entries and see the sprite, read the entry once, and immediately be able to Approve or Deny it and move on. Even in this “perfect” scenario, each entry takes deliberation and consideration, so time and brainpower are needed. However, quite often many entries require more than just reading and Approve/Deny, so it takes quite a bit longer to review the full list in its entirety.
One way I’ve found to dramatically reduce the time is to make small changes that keep the intent but improve the grammar, spelling, punctuation, Pokémon reference words, etc. in specific entries where it is logical. Otherwise, posting for clarification for every seemingly minor change would add at least three more steps (posting to the author, waiting for their reply for who knows how long, and then applying the change while also ensuring it passes review), but that’s best case. I’ve had instances where it took dozens of steps for a single entry to get updated. But that simply isn’t scalable.
The option to have any entry that is Approved be removed for the author to rewrite it is always there, and since the list is publicly accessible, if at any time an author wants an entry removed, they can simply ask here and an Unown can do it. If anyone notices changes to their entry that they don’t like (typically made by an Unown for clarification and correction), they can always request that entry to be removed and then they can resubmit. Similarly, any entry that shows as Denied or Unsure or anything unexpected other than Approved can always be posted here for feedback, but that will often take more time, so if it’s delayed, that is why.

[hexed fog]

LOL I have no idea who that was then

[ebon warren]

@dense shard any unnecessary and/or incorrect punctuation, spelling, or capitalization won’t be Approved, so either an Unown would have to change it or the entry will get Denied until resubmitted properly, even if the lore and concept are compelling and fit the sprite. Just FYI

[jagged ledge]

Don't look at me, unless you had to de-capitalize bulb, I don't even have that many that cover the same subject.

[hexed fog]

lmao I seriously wonder who it was I am losing it

[dense shard]

Sorry, I forgot to take off the quotes when I first re-submitted it

[hexed fog]

It was something like "POKENAME uses its Fire to destroy nearby boulders"

and I was like WHY IS THAT CAPITALIZED LOL

[ebon warren]

A lot of people assume this but it simply isn’t true. In reality, especially for native US English speakers, it’s often hampering their ability to write properly for tasks such as this. And I’ve known many a nonnative speaker that has much better mastery of the English language than a large portion of people born and raised in the US.
The best reason to NOT become an Unown is simply your abilities. Even if you aren’t perfect, if you enjoy the reading and editing then I typically always recommend at least trying. As long as you are learning and growing, it’s fine.

[dense shard]

For my 124.124.png entry I'm resubmitting it without the "self fusion" thing

[ebon warren]

If it is referencing the type then it makes sense but yeah, that one is weird

[dense shard]

because there is no FAQ 53 answer yet

[hexed fog]

I still wanna know the answer to that LOL but that's fine just rewrite

lmk on that too

[dense shard]

As I see, no other entrie uses "self fusion" as a term, so I'll rather stick to this constant

[jagged ledge]

Ok apologies because I'm on mobile and out right now, so the process might be a little clunky, but I have a promise to deliver on.

[jagged ledge]

POKENAME are very proud of their beauty, gathering clay to make into urns depicting the patterns and colors of their scales. Fragments of these urns are collected from shorelines and sold as seaglass jewelry.

[hexed fog]

I am deceased.

[jagged ledge]

Oh no, what have I done?

[hexed fog]

it's jsut hilarious

[jagged ledge]

I'm glad you like it lol

[ebon warren]

I’m not sure the fins could make detailed clay sculptures though

[jagged ledge]

Water from rivers containing POKENAME is sent through specialized treatment plants to clear it of poison. Unfortunately, POKENAME from these rivers enjoy using the vents to polish their spines.

[jagged ledge]

Then I might leave it at just the urns lol. The rest of the entry is more focused on that idea anyway.

[jagged ledge]

Fixed! 👍

[narrow cosmos]

Pokemon magic, they don't adhere to silly things like logic and physics.

[hexed fog]

those horns tho

[ebon warren]

If it had arms that would be fine, I don’t even know if those baby T-Rex fins could even reach an urn

[jagged ledge]

I mean proportionately, the fins reach almost a third of its body. You could say that about any Quagsire really. Plus they're underwater urns that most people only see in washed-up fragments.

[narrow cosmos]

POKENAME contains vast amounts of electricity, seen crackling within certain parts of its body. Should something threaten its trainer, it will not hesitate to discharge explosive bursts of lightning to defend them.

Kinda surprised there don't seem to be as many Gardevoir body entries as you'd expect given the favoritism, but hey.

(Side note, before I stopped collecting screens of them, it seemed like Honedge was the Pokemon with the most in-game dex entries at the moment. Everyone wanted to make custom swords it seems. )

[half drum]

hey swords are, tbf , really cool

[dense shard]

POKENAME uses its giant clamp to cook its prey, and when it feels that the fight is already won, begins to eat its prey alive. Wild POKENAMEs are fine with medium rare meat, while trained specimens preffer to cook it well done.

How do I not repeat "prey"?

[boreal prairie]

POKENAME is proud of its beauty, so it gathers clay to shape into urns that depict the patterns and colors of its scales. Fragments of these urns are collected from shorelines and sold as seaglass jewelry.

very minor concision suggestions

[narrow cosmos]

In this case, I think the second prey could be replaced with "meal," perhaps? Could also use victim, to be a bit morbid. Or just food.

[dense shard]

(sorry to answer a little bit late) I took the concept of it being the "human shape pokemon" that imitates noises and behaviours, so I had to took that to the extreme in the self fusion (while not turning it into a practical human) so I had the idea of only amplify one feature of human behaviour, that's when I thought about the "My name is Kira Yoshikage" speech

[jagged ledge]

POKENAME hide within shipwrecks, using the lost treasure to disguise their shiny horns and colorful frills. If a diver spots them, they will offer them treasure in exchange for going away.

[hollow nimbus]

You can look up synonyms for prey

[dense shard]

Victim sounds just right to me

[hollow nimbus]

Make sure you're looking at the definition that refers to it as a noun instead of a verb

[boreal prairie]

Water from rivers with POKENAME is sent through specialized treatment plants to clear it of poison. Unfortunately, it enjoys using the vents to polish their spines.

I think this needs a little more glue, to make it more clear why it would be bad for it to use the vents.

[fair thicket]

Isn’t seaglass glass, though?

[hollow nimbus]

Seaglass is glass that has been smoothed by the natural erosion of the ocean

[fair thicket]

In that case, it’s weird to juxtapose it with an item made of clay

[boreal prairie]

POKENAME contain vast amounts of electricity that crackles within its body. If something threatens its trainer, it will not hesitate to discharge explosive bursts of lightning to defend them.

small concision suggestions. I can't tell from the entry (or the sprite tbh) what is fused with gardevoir here. could this be an entry for any electric type?

[narrow cosmos]

It's for Voltorb, hence I used "explosive" due to their gimmick, and lightning in general.

[fair thicket]

And it doesn’t seem like seaglass would be something that’d have a lot of counterfeits, especially compared to handmade (fin-made?) clay
Ooh! What if it were the other way around? Seaglass often passed off as fragments from these urns?

[boreal prairie]

It uses its giant clamp to slow-cook its prey, then eats it alive as soon as the fight is won. Wild POKENAME tolerate medium rare meat, while trained specimens prefer well-done.

Some coherence/concision suggestions. I don't think i took out any ideas but I did a lot of shitting shifting (lol typo). Remember POKENAME never has an S at the end

[jagged ledge]

That makes a lot of sense lol

[narrow cosmos]

You did a lot of what?

[boreal prairie]

POKENAME hides in shipwrecks and use lost treasure to disguise its shiny horns and colorful frills. If a diver spots it, POKENAME offers them treasure in exchange for leaving POKENAME alone.

some concision that makes up for some coherence changes the its were getting a bit confusing.

[narrow cosmos]

( )

[boreal prairie]

Shifting!!! Shifting!!! lmao

[narrow cosmos]

Ozy had too many tacos again.

[jagged ledge]

My one issue with your style of edits is that I often refer to species behavior in an ecosystem, so my choice to be plural is deliberate. Unless I'm writing for a singular Pokemon like a legendary, I will usually say "POKENAME" as a plural or "A POKENAME" to distinguish that it's describing a singular instance.

[narrow cosmos]

It has a gentle disposition, preferring to avoid conflict and passing that demeanor onto its children. If forced to fight for the sake of its children, however, it will be utterly merciless.

POKENAME considers its trainer as family; as important as its own child. It will dote on them and spoil them, and even attempt to carry them in its pouch.

[dense shard]

We need this as a reaction for this channel

[narrow cosmos]

Two entries for the two sides of the same fusion. I almost gave the doting to the first one, but realized it's funnier to think of a big Kangaskhan trying to spoil and dote on its trainer all the time.

[boreal prairie]

I love (hate) when you google things and the AI is like "Yes, medium rare is hyphenated (proceeds to give examples where it is not hyphenated)"

[jagged ledge]

AI Overview was a mistake.

[boreal prairie]

That's fine! I mostly make the changes just to save a few characters (its being shorter than their). Generally, most pokedex entries are singular but still talk about the species in general, which is common in nature communication as well. "The elephant is the largest land mammal." etc

[boreal prairie]

It has a gentle disposition and prefers to avoid conflict, a demeanor it hopes to pass onto its young. If forced to fight however, it is utterly merciless for the sake of its children.

some concision/shifting suggestions

To POKENAME, its trainer is its family and as important as its own child. It will dote on them, spoil them, and even try to carry them in its pouch.

small concision suggestions

[jagged ledge]

Which makes sense, but I also think it's a case by case basis for when it's most effective. With Gollery, the entry describes a specific instance/reflex, so that makes more sense, but Golsire's entry describes common occurrences that is a shared characteristic of the species.

[jagged ledge]

@hexed fog Revised with some advice from the chat.

POKENAME are very proud of their beauty, gathering clay to build urns depicting the colors and patterns of their scales. Washed-up fragments of these urns make for popular jewelry, leading people to paint seaglass to sell as counterfeit imitations.

[hexed fog]

beautiful!

go submit!

yesyes!

[jagged ledge]

I will once I finish revising the others! I'm still on mobile!

[narrow cosmos]

It is impulsive and staunchly protective of its trainer. It charges at perceived threats recklessly, forgetting that it could use telekinesis to better effect.

When your Rhyvoir demolished a forest because of an angry Spearow when it could have just psychically flipped it away.

[jagged ledge]

It reminds me of an anime character but I can't remember which one

[hexed fog]

you monster

why must i wait

[jagged ledge]

Water from rivers containing POKENAME is sent through specialized treatment plants to clear the poison. Unfortunately, POKENAME enjoy using the vents to polish their horns, blocking the flow and releasing excess toxins, delaying the whole process.

[jagged ledge]

Because I need groceries! You're lucky I'm not driving or I wouldn't be posting now at all!

[hexed fog]

GASP!

bold of you to assume you are allowed to eat. Pokemon before all else!

[jagged ledge]

[hexed fog]

[jagged ledge]

A POKENAME will make its home within a shipwreck, using lost treasure to disguise its shiny horns and colorful frills. If it's spotted by a diver, it will offer them treasure in exchange for leaving it alone.

[boreal prairie]

It is just a matter of taste, I do just prefer the challenge of fitting the genre expectations. Here, we are considering Pokédex entries as a genre, which until later lazier generations almost never has plural subject, then we have the "8-bit" genre that heavily optimized character count (the reason for why Pokémon don't have actual plurals, no room on a GameBoy cart for that!), and then we have real nature communication, which almost universally refers to species singularly As a random example, here is the start of the page for the lion on wikipedia:

The lion (Panthera leo) is a large cat of the genus Panthera, native to Africa and India. It has a muscular, broad-chested body; a short, rounded head; round ears; and a dark, hairy tuft at the tip of its tail.

So, that's why I make those suggestions! Your thinking that, since it referring to general characteristics of multiple things so it should be plural is not completely misguided, but it simply is the case that is outside the genre expectations, and also, slightly hinders the technical goals of the project, which prefers brevity and concision, which is what I try to focus on most in my suggestions, especially since many people never really know what a real editing process is like.

And also, on pages where there is no common name, it basically always starts like "Panthera leo is..." which is what Pokédex entries are modeled on (not wikipedia, but encyclopedias)

[jagged ledge]

I can definitely see the vibe and theme you're going for, that makes sense. And especially for the editing process, I fully agree on the technical side of things, but at the same time... I think it's ok to have more than one style as long as it's a unified theme that fits the project. We have 250 characters for each entry and at least 100 times that amount of Pokemon to write for. We added the two page entries for a reason, we've advanced.

Especially when describing Wild Fusions, I think keeping some plurals can help paint a clearer picture. Most readers won't know the difference or mind some inconsistent formatting, so I tend to lean on the side of reading comprehension and vivid storytelling.

[boreal prairie]

Yeah, I definitely go overboard sometimes trying to get single page entries, but only as my own challenge. People have lots of cool ideas that deserve to get he added space!

[jagged ledge]

Hey nothing wrong with offering advice or grammar fixes. I know I tend to ramble and I think you do a great job helping things flow and read better. Like I said, my one issue is the plural debate lol. And I do think there is a lot to learn and benefits of both formats.

[boreal prairie]

Thanks! I hope you'll be okay if I keep doing it that way, it is much easier for me to like, activate that part of my brain than to actually think about it. It is like a different person lol (you might notice that my actual personal communication style is very longwinded and has lots of typos lol) If you don't like it singular, always welcome to change just that part back 😅

It is more like channeling the concision dimension than actively thinking, until I start rewording stuff or tweaking details lol

[jagged ledge]

Lol of course, I totally get it. It's nothing personal, and as I mentioned with the Gollery entry, sometimes it is genuinely helpful even to my style of writing... even if I slip an 'A' at the beginning sometimes

[narrow cosmos]

If POKENAME or its trainer is attacked, it immobilizes the assailant with telekinesis before raking its sharp blades across them as a warning before releasing them. Very few aggressors choose to ignore this threat.

Kabuvoir says "If you know what's good for you...just don't."

[jagged ledge]

Ok I'm back at my computer

[narrow cosmos]

It uses advanced psychic powers to keep aware of its surroundings while watching over its trainer. It can rotate its head 360 degrees; it will always keeps its eye on its trainer.

Unvoir watches over you.

Always

[hexed fog]

me hoping sensible people enter all the gardevoir body entries so weirdos dont start entering crap

[ebon warren]

you can simply Deny them and leave notes as to why, which might honestly be faster

[narrow cosmos]

Who said I'm not a weirdo pretending to be sensible, infiltrating the Gardevoirs to lull you all into a false sense of security?

[jagged ledge]

Ok the groceries are in the fridge, the three latest entries have been submitted, time to eat then I'll get some more entries done.

[dense shard]

Hey, sorry to make this question, but how long does it take for an approved entry to be added to the game?

[narrow cosmos]

If I had to guess, expect it to be some months down the line, honestly.

[jagged ledge]

But the good news is they all get added at once

Or at least collected batches. I don't know if the influx of entries will change the process at all.

[narrow cosmos]

A pit approved entries can't be auto-downloaded like sprites used to be, but what can ya do.

They'll be in there eventually!

[hexed fog]

Prompt time!

Horsea ink that's used by magazines

Spinarak silk used in pajamas

Squirtle that are used to clean radiators in homes

Cottonee chimney sweeps!

Phantump that live near morgues

[dense shard]

Magazines ( )? Or magazines ( )?

[hexed fog]

be good lol

[dense shard]

(like guns and rifle magazines)

[fair thicket]

Gun magazines

[jagged ledge]

Ink guns 🔫

[hexed fog]

LOL

[jagged ledge]

SPLATOON

[hexed fog]

guns are barely mentioned in pokemon... idk how we would even handle that

[fair thicket]

Split the difference: ink guns for editors

[hexed fog]

Octillery toy ink guns

make it happen

[fair thicket]

I’m gonna get screencaps from the banned episodes

[jagged ledge]

A popular video game depicts these fusions using their multi-colored ink in paintball guns.

[fair thicket]

Nah, cut the middleman
Just ink paintball
The highest scoring trainer has an octillery fusion companion

[narrow cosmos]

It uses its blades for hunting, but also for defending boats that pass through its territory. Many ships have been saved from rampaging Pokémon due to POKENAME's intervention.

Call me sappy, but I like the idea of Gardevoir head fusions generally leaning in the direction of "Pokemon, but extra kind and protective of humans."

[jagged ledge]

But

But Splatoon

[narrow cosmos]

Minus exceptions like Parasect's almost universal pure evil and body horror and such.

[jagged ledge]

It is a nice idea!

[hexed fog]

Wartortle that help at carwashes

Ralts that psychically lift snow off windshields for a fee

Weepinbell that clean gutters

Scyther shrub trimming services

Sliggoo's hardening mucus that is used for hardening casts

[narrow cosmos]

Legends speak of ships about to meet extreme storms, before the oceans stilled suddenly, allowing safe passage. Above the ships, POKENAME could be seen, calming the sea with its psychic powers to protect the humans aboard.

[fair thicket]

what's better, though?
Splatoon the video game existing in the poke-verse? or the poke-verse having a real life Splatoon? 😉

[jagged ledge]

POKENAME bite off bait from fishing lines, stealing it to use for themselves. They return to the ocean floor decorated in trinkets and lures to entice their prey.

[jagged ledge]

But that's just regular paintball lol

Maybe something about how tribes of the fusions gather together for paintball competitions, using different colors of ink to mark their territory?

So behavioral similarities, not a rework of the reference?

[fair thicket]

Yes, please. And, like, don't stress yourself out with unpaid labor, man. ^_^;; Neither of us want that. Just hit reject rather than fuss out a rewrite.

Gah, I'm betting this is frustrating for you too because it feels like you're answering the same question five times. Heh, from my perspective, I feel like I'm getting answers adjacent to the question I'm trying to ask. So all this is creating a vicious circle I don't know how to exit from, aside from taking the L and saying we don't communicate well, and that I'll ask other unowns when I have unown-directed questions.

🤔 If you don't like the extra text box idea, why not a checkbox "reject, don't rewrite" on the form for people who'd rather have their entries rejected rather than approved and rewritten? That way you'll know not to put in unwanted labor, sparing grief on both sides.

[south berry]

for sprites that are in game but aren't in Daena (mostly any fusions involving the new pokemon from the update), where would one find the file names for them?

[narrow cosmos]

InfiniteDex was my go-to.

https://infinitefusiondex.com/

[south berry]

ooh bless, thanks

[fair thicket]

though i feel like the desired answer is "sit tight until daena has them" 😔

[south berry]

ah gotcha, I was also wondering if that were the case

If that's the perferred route I don't mind waiting, I just didn't want to be sitting on my thumbs if it weren't necessary

[narrow cosmos]

Yeah, I didn't realize that myself until after I'd sent a number of Infinitedex entries, but yeah, generally they want things to stay on Daena's side, it seems.

[south berry]

how often does daena get updated out of curiousity? I've only started writing entries this week so I'm fairly new to all this

[fair thicket]

neither of us are unowns, so grain of salt, though

[fair thicket]

think it gets updated as the spritepacks do, but there've been a few delays this time due to the repo shenanigans

[south berry]

ahhh gotcha

thanks for the info!

[fair thicket]

🤔 checking in the #1110705913574203402 thread, the question was asked three days ago and then the two of them went to convene in dms about some missing information
so the answer is, unfortunately,

[narrow cosmos]

It is said that, were humanity to face disaster from beyond the stars, POKENAME will descend from on high to protect it, repelling the invaders with powerful black holes fueled by its very life force.

[narrow cosmos]

Fossil records indicate POKENAME living in close proximity to humanity's ancient ancestors. Some speculate it guarded them from predators, and that humanity might not exist if not for its efforts.

[jagged ledge]

POKENAME scatter scales as they swim, creating a shimmering trail behind them. Their scales collect seawater, causing them to be popular material for scented candles.

And with that I have delivered my promise of at least 5 Goldeen Dex entries in 24 hours

[south berry]

amazing

[narrow cosmos]

POKENAME has perfect vision and accuracy with its cannons, able to snipe targets from its home miles up in the skies. It's thought that at max power, its water shots could pierce completely through the planet.

(I couldn't shake a very anime/video game-esque visual for a moment where storm clouds gather, jets of water just rain down and take out giant monsters, before this guy pierces through the storm cloud and roars while firing some super-jets of water at the big bad. )

[jagged ledge]

Oooh

[narrow cosmos]

But, methinks I've spammed here enough with my stuff for now.

[jagged ledge]

No such thing! Your entries are great!

But also I feel that, there's a lot to do all at once lol

Low key thinking I might try my hand at a Dexdoku template or two.

[topaz stream]

Is there a list of which dex entries have a custom thingamajig?

[fair thicket]

there's using ctrl+f on the spreadsheet, alas

[narrow cosmos]

Stories say a single drop of poison in POKENAME's stinger is enough to fell the mightiest of dragons. Though unsubstantiated, Dragon-type Pokémon are noticeably wary in its presence.

Sometimes it's fun to do the "legendary mixed with a little thing" stuff. Imagine your Haxorus kinda shuffling away from a little angy-worm.

[jagged ledge]

Lol perfection

[wind sphinx]

POKENAME fold their specialized limbs into a form that resembles the bud of a flower. When their prey approach, POKENAME will use these limbs to grasp the target and subdue them with their poison.

Trying my hand at this. I would love to do something to support the project.

[narrow cosmos]

It's cute! I think it works well. My only thought, to add a little more Joltik, what about it subduing the target with electricity? Just a thought, it works as-is just as well, I think!

[wind sphinx]

I was going to do that until I saw it was bug/poison. My main concern is confusing all the "their" and "thems"

[narrow cosmos]

I think it's pretty clear in this one what the theirs and thems refer to, so I think it's good. 👍

POKENAME carries a superficial resemblance to the Pokémon colloquially known as the Weather Trio. The tallest must often force the other two members to cooperate instead of quarrel.

[wind sphinx]

Great, thanks for the feedback

[jagged ledge]

Lol love it. It really fits the expressions

[jagged ledge]

Oh cool! I think it sounds great!

[wind sphinx]

Had two ideas, not sure which to go with.

Finding a POKENAME in the wild is said to be a sign of good fortune, though it is quick to shock any that press their luck and try to touch its coin.

The coin on the head of POKENAME is made of a highly conductive metal that it uses to quickly siphon electricity from batteries, cables, or other electric type Pokémon.

[jagged ledge]

I like both, but I think the first one might be better because you can play into how small Joltik is and the reflex of shocking after being hunted for.

Definitely hold onto the second idea though.

[narrow cosmos]

Each segment of its body appears to be shaped like a letter from the alphabet. The body appears to spell something as it flies, but strangely, those who witness it each report a completely different set of letters.

[jagged ledge]

Now I want to try and see what it spells lol

Also uh hey

I did a thing

[pure agate]

Nothing that makes sense

[jagged ledge]

I'm just gonna leave this here.

[wind sphinx]

While the fur of POKENAME may appear fluffy and inviting, it is said that touching a POKENAME against its will can set fire to the soul of the offender.

[jagged ledge]

Ooh, spooky!

[fair thicket]

"Nothing". That makes sense.

[fair thicket]

if diglett is Levitating, then...

[jagged ledge]

[fair thicket]

All the dex entries are just explaining why you still can't see what's underneath

[jagged ledge]

Or you could make an entry for a Diglett Head Fusion with Levitate

[fair thicket]

Diglett's mad you can see what's underneath so it goes into Death From Above mode

[jagged ledge]

Ngl I did a Random Pokemon Generator and took traits from the 6 that were generated.

[fair thicket]

you generated diglett and took from that pokemon "diglett"

[jagged ledge]

No, I generated Alolan Dugtrio.

[fair thicket]

the trait should have been boyband 😌

[jagged ledge]

But Diglett has all Custom Sprites complete As of 6.3

[fair thicket]

ah, and didn't want to go the obvious route of sylveon or ho-oh 😌

[jagged ledge]

The Pokemon I generated were Shiinotic, Kingdra, Rotom-Fan, Celebi, Jirachi, and Alolan Dugtrio

[fair thicket]

now create showdown synergy with that set

[jagged ledge]

POKENAME silently scatters spores throughout forests, using fungus to clear dead trees. Be warned not to touch the fungus as it can grow from any surface and cause you to hallucinate.

[fair thicket]

🤔 you dozing off?

[jagged ledge]

Me?

[fair thicket]

i noticed the missing c from can and was wondering 😅

well that and that the second sentence seemed incomplete, but i see whatcha doing now 😌

[jagged ledge]

I was originally trying to organize 9 entries on one post then gave up and needed to double down on this entry lol

[fair thicket]

ah, that'll do it 😌
🤔 so kind of an angel of death for wood?

[jagged ledge]

Yup lol

[fair thicket]

tbh, i liked the implication of the first one that the problem with the spores was that they can grow on any surface. like your skin. and your pores will be full of hyphae

[jagged ledge]

I mean it still can. Just now it's also more psychic-y.

[fair thicket]

🤔 "silently" feels odd to use here. maybe because it raises questions about what non-silent scattering would be like? mew floats, nah? so it wouldn't be noise of movement through underbrush

[fair thicket]

🤔 true

[jagged ledge]

Well I was trying to get the vibes from the expression or like a little forest sprite

I definitely want some sort of picturesque adverb at the start lol

[fair thicket]

elaborate 🤔

well, if we're thinking kind of sprite-like, like... what's the Fantasia segment

like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQqbnMSm2aQ

[jagged ledge]

It's supposed to be elusive and mysterious, so describing it as silent was meant to set the scene of running into it in the forest

What if I describe it as silently dancing through the air while scattering spores?

[fair thicket]

hang on i got a thinking thing

my mind keeps coming back to the word "unnoticed". which I know is the wrong word because of course the dex writer noticed it
but... something...

like, it's busy doing its neat forest job and isn't gonna be swayed by some rando showing up unless you deliberately provoke them, and even then?
am i on the right vibe, or do i need to go to sleep

[jagged ledge]

POKENAME silently dances through the air, scattering spores throughout forests. The spores grow into a fungus that quickly clears dead trees. Be warned not to touch the fungus as it can grow from any surface and cause you to hallucinate.

[jagged ledge]

Eh... not quite? Like it's definitely peaceful and avoids conflict, but it very much will get startled by a disrespectful rando.

[fair thicket]

:nodnod: i'm on the wrong vibe, then 😌

[jagged ledge]

It's alright lol

[fair thicket]

:nodnod: this also might be me on a different vibe, then, since i prefer verbs over adverbs. i'll let someone else help, then 😌

[jagged ledge]

No worries, I appreciate the help either way!

[fair thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-good-news-everyone-professor-farnsworth-great-news-gif-17213270

https://www.fusiondex.org/

[silver yarrow]

Is it updated now

[craggy beacon]

OOHHH

[fair thicket]

not fully, but the new 'mons are here, at least

they said sprite packs 107 and 108 have been added, but i dunno what that corresponds to, monthwise

someone dex this
https://www.fusiondex.org/129.501/

an especially flat magikarp

[craggy beacon]

107 is oct

108 is nov

108 is the most recently released sprite pack so if its added then it should be fully updated

[fair thicket]

:nodnod: ye, i noticed something was up based on which of my sprites were linked from my artist page
it looks like they're still lacking credits, but those tend to be delayed anyway, and the november pack is nonetheless in

[craggy beacon]

so yeah
sprites in credits wonky
still very happy about it tho

its easier to look at spriter stuff on daena

[fair thicket]

luvchoke
https://www.fusiondex.org/501.67/

it cannot choke

Diangon-z runs an ask blog
https://www.fusiondex.org/500.275/

or a twitch stream? given the donation thing

"The Creation of Adam", SIstine Chapel, Michelangelo, 1512 colorized
https://www.fusiondex.org/500.315/

Diancie but she's dyslexic
https://www.fusiondex.org/500.448/

Diancie but she's dyslexic pt. 2
https://www.fusiondex.org/448.500/

Therapist: Alomomola with lips isn't real and can't hurt you.
Alomomola with lips:
https://www.fusiondex.org/sprite/pif/501.501a/

[jagged ledge]

[fair thicket]

uhhhh something something A famous shrine depicts POKENAME granting divine inspiration to a Carbink. soemthing something second sentence

[jagged ledge]

Of course now I'm tempted to make a new Dexdoku but I haven't even finished the first one

[fair thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[fair thicket]

🤔 i could get away with temple instead of shrine, couldn't i

[jagged ledge]

Well you know what? I suppose making a second template won't be too hard. It's filling them that's the issue

[fair thicket]

POKENAME can't give you love-chokes so it gives you love-kicks instead. gets rule2'd

okay okay more seriously
POKENAME is a symbol of a relationship with strong foundations. While considered less overtly romantic than luvdisc, depictions... something something less infatuation and more a love that can last.
i'm need to sleep.

[craggy beacon]

"im need to sleep" evidently

[jagged ledge]

For the morning. 6.4 Dexdoku Template.

[fallow swallow]

how does the process of writing and submitting dex entries look like?

[fair thicket]

at its core: fill in the googleforms linked in pins
often people like to workshop their ideas in this channel first
submissions in the form are automatically added to the spreadsheet (also linked in pins). an unown will go through the unapproved entries and either Approve or Reject them. Not sure on the timetable when they get in the game, though.

[hexed fog]

[timid sky]

When did this start being a thing?

[hexed fog]

Since he posted it

;p

[timid sky]

Can I submit my previous Machop/Geodude entry for the rock/fighting spot

[jagged ledge]

Ideally I think the idea would be to use new entries so that it's a new inspiration format, but I suppose it couldn't hurt if you're proud of it.

[wind sphinx]

Is there a consensus on what units of measurements should be used? Is metric preferred over imperial?

[hexed fog]

Mph and kmph are fine

As long as you don't swap between them mid entry

[boreal canyon]

-# we don't use the "p" with kilometers because it's written like this : km/h

[hexed fog]

Lol and that

[fallow tiger]

POKENAMEs was scientifically designed by the greedy rich and cruel scientists to fill their wallets before it escaped. It decided for itself that its life purpose was spreading joy and showing the beauty of the world with a love and crystals of joy.

[fair thicket]

Ah, Gail Carson Levine's rewrite of "Toads and Diamonds" 😌

[fallow tiger]

I was unfamiliar so i searched it up, and thats the sweetest reply ever i love that!!

[jagged ledge]

Uh I need to edit one of my Dexdoku listings because I want this to be accepted more than what I wrote

[boreal canyon]

hmmm .... can one of you give me a dex for it x) ?

[jagged ledge]

I will once I am finished with Dexdoku. I just have 3 left.

[boreal canyon]

ok

[fair thicket]

🤔 krabby/butterfree?

[fallow tiger]

is it a kingler and a butterfree??

ah krabby make smore sense

[fair thicket]

would have a big ol' claw for kingler 😌

🤔 wanna do something about it blowing bubbles to make wings, hmm. lemme see the canon dexes...

[boreal canyon]

https://www.fusiondex.org/98.12/

krabby

(sprite by me btw, idk why it shows as "unknown artist" on daena)

[fair thicket]

lmao the autodex

Krabfree live in holes dug into beaches. It can seek, extract, and carry honey from flowers blooming over six miles away.

tbh, you could just work with this. Have it nest in beaches and travel far away for honey because flowers don't grow in sand

[fair thicket]

recent spritepack? the latest two are still WIP credits-wise

[boreal prairie]

Before it escaped, POKENAME was designed by cruel scientists for the greedy rich to fill their wallets. It decided that its life purpose was showing the beauty of the world with love and crystals of joy.

some concision, coherence suggestion (and small repetition clean up)

[fair thicket]

damn you, nature! ruining my silly joke!

[boreal canyon]

it shows proper credit on the other calc

[fallow tiger]

thank you, it flows much better now 🙂

[boreal canyon]

26 November, so yeah, recent spritepack

[fair thicket]

yep. sounds like daena being a WIP right now. they literally just got the site updated with the new sprites, so

[fair thicket]

though i do ask what "crystals of joy" are supposed to be? crystalized emotion? (it's a psychic type, I don't doubt it can do that). crystals that make people happy? something else?

[fallow tiger]

thats kinda what i intended it to be, with it being psychic type but i also wanted it to just be pretty rocks that made people happy, kinda wholesome vibes for something with a depressing beginning

so i figured it being not very clear worked for the best

[fair thicket]

it might get dinged by the unowns for ambiguity, is all 🤔

[boreal canyon]

hearthener crystals ?

@fair thicket & @fallow tiger ?

[fallow tiger]

POKENAME is not particularly aggressive or territorial, however its young need honey to grow, so if it comes across any Pokémon it deems to be a rival for food, it uses its bubbles and its claws to intimidate any competition away.

[fallow tiger]

I wasn't aware of this term before, i would have used it if i had known : (

maybe i can reupload it with this new change..

im sorry unowns 💔

[boreal canyon]

i'll replace the ", so if" to a ". If"

[fallow tiger]

i know theres too many commas, and it needs a bit of cleaning up but im happy with the concept for what it is since butterfrees look out for young caterpies and most of krabby's dex entries are combat related

[boreal canyon]

or food related xD

[fallow tiger]

sounds good! a pretty good fix

[boreal canyon]

yeah, i just like the structure of two sentences, and it also give more weight to both halves (i think that's how you spell multiple half)

[fallow tiger]

yes that tooo

[fair thicket]

🤔 split it into two sentences on "so".
hmm, that second sentence...

If it comes across any Pokémon it deems to be a rival for food, it uses its bubbles and its claws to intimidate any competition away.

I feel like "deems to be a rival" can be replaced with something about competition?
personally, i like the idea of it blowing bubbles to fly away and it'd be neat to include that as its flee behavior if it's finding intimidation isn't working

"deems to be competition for food" does not sound right at all

and you do use competition later. dangert.

[boreal canyon]

"If any potential contester are in POKENAME's path to food, it'll uses its bubbles and sharp claws to intimidate any competition away." ?

[boreal canyon]

idk, what you think of this ?

[dull dome]

"If any potential contesters are in POKENAME's path to food, it'll use its bubbles and sharp claws to scare any competition away."

intimidate doesn't really work too good with away, and fixed some grammar aswell

[fair thicket]

POKENAME is not particularly aggressive or territorial, however its young need honey to grow. Any competitors it comes across in its hunt for food will be chased off with a snap of its claws - or if the threat proves too dangerous, it will blow bubbles and fly away.

too many characters and I don't like the use of passive voice, but
obviously you don't need to keep the "blowing bubbles to fly away" thing. i just thought the idea was funny

[jagged ledge]

Dexdoku 1 done

[boreal canyon]

"POKENAME isn't particularly aggressive or territorial, however its young need honey to grow. It'll use its sharp claws to chase competitor, but if it's deemed too strong POKENAME will blow bubbles to fly away." idk about the char counter

[jagged ledge]

209, you're good. 👍

[boreal canyon]

hmmm

i'll reword the "but if it's" part

[fair thicket]

It'll use its sharp claws to chase away competition or It uses its sharp claws to chase away competition 🤔
the "it" in "but if it's deemed" is ambiguous

ah, but you just said the latter part 😌

[jagged ledge]

POKENAME isn't normally aggressive or territorial, but it will make an exception to gather honey for its young. It uses its sharp claws in battle, but when faced with a threat, it will inflate its bubble wings and fly away.

223 characters.

[jagged ledge]

Any notes on any of these before I submit them?

[fair thicket]

yeah one sec
you don't mind transcribing them into text boxes for easier copy-pasting, do you?

[boreal canyon]

what about :

POKENAME isn't know for aggressivity or teritorialism, however this is false when gathering honey needed for their young's growth. POKENAME uses its sharp claws to chase away competition, but if it is weaker than them, it'll blow bubbles to fly away.

250 characters

@fair thicket & @jagged ledge ?

[fair thicket]

🤔 i preferred Wildheart's version. Can you explain the changes you made?

[boreal canyon]

i worded things differently, in a way that i see more fitting my sprite

[hexed fog]

no amount of training could ever prepare me for some of these edgelord entries

[boreal canyon]

?

[hexed fog]

not in this chat

in the approval list

[boreal canyon]

i'm guessing darkrai entries

[hexed fog]

LOL

[boreal canyon]

am i wrong tho ?

x)

[hexed fog]

I'm not calling anyone out

lol

but I want to

[boreal canyon]

can you describe what you prefer in each version, that way we'll be able to make the perfect dex x)

[fair thicket]

sure sure 🤔 lemme muse on my thoughts here...

[boreal canyon]

also, don't hesitate to say to me "this is bad writting" because english isn't my first language so i might do stuff wrong

[jagged ledge]

My Discord is on mobile and my Editing Software is on my computer, but I'll see what I can do.

[boreal canyon]

POKENAME isn't normally aggressive or territorial, but it will make an exception to gather honey for its young. It uses its sharp claws in battle, but when faced with a threat, it will inflate its bubble wings and fly away

done

x)

ngl, i like my first half better and second half of wildheart's entry more

but we say the same idea, just worded differently

[jagged ledge]

Eh, screw it, one second. I can log in on my computer.

[boreal canyon]

dw i've already done what worm asked x)

[jagged ledge]

I think Worm meant for my Dexdoku list lol

[boreal canyon]

oh

maybe

[hexed fog]

Unrelated note: pokemon should be referred to simply by their name in singular or plural. It is not 'Magikarps' just 'Magikarp'

only because I just fixed like 10 lol

[boreal canyon]

i might forget this because i hate not putting "s" to mark plural x)

[hexed fog]

it's not a huge deal, trying to mitigate as much as I can

[jagged ledge]

Shroomish/Mew

POKENAME silently dances through the air, scattering spores throughout forests. The spores grow into a fungus that quickly clears dead trees. Be warned not to touch the fungus as it can grow from any surface and cause you to hallucinate.

Gabite/Meloetta

A huge fan of punk rock styles, POKENAME sings at the top of its lungs. It rapidly rocks its head to the beat of its melody, causing its razor-sharp hair to whip about. If anyone tries to touch its hair, it will flip it all up at once in one slash.

Diglett/Jirachi

POKENAME dwells deep within the ground, only emerging when it observes a wish it is interested in granting. If someone attempts to dig up POKENAME for selfish reasons, they will be turned to crystal and buried deep within a cavern.

Whimsicott/Treecko

POKENAME run through fields to scatter cotton seeds, making them popular companions for amateur farmers. They enjoy snacking on cotton branches, which helps clear the field when it's time for new seeds to be planted.

Salamence/Kecleon

POKENAME always keep their main bodies as blue and white to blend in among the clouds, but change the color of the rest of their bodies freely. They enjoy racing each other, creating colored streamlines that almost resemble odd rainbows.

Diglett/Aggron

POKENAME grows rocks along its sensitive body to act as a specialized armor for when it's above ground. The strength it carries while fighting with the crystals on its head leads people to theorize it has a much larger body underground.

Oddish/Duskull

POKENAME phase into the ground during the day to hide their bodies from the sun, leaving only their leaves above the surface. If they're startled, they will shoot a nut from the holes in their masks that can paralyze anyone it hits.

I reached the character limit lol

Dragonite/Weezing

Said to have kept watch over an ancient swamp, POKENAME will protect anything precious to it by surroudning it in mystical smog. While it prefers not to fight, if someone attempts to enter the smog, they will be surrounded and flooded with toxins.

Diglett/Gastly

POKENAME channel an otherworldly power to make little windows between rocks that they use to observe or greet people they take an interest in. Strangely, these windows are completely invisible on the other side.

There we go

[boreal canyon]

i think it'll be better if you put them in ``` blocks

or you want me to ?

[jagged ledge]

Fixed

[fair thicket]

🤔 Upon reviewing more closely, I think I like Wildheart's first sentence and your second.
both versions open with a copula, and isn't normally is snappier than isn't known for ; aggressivity or teritorialism are rarer and odder versions of the more common aggression or territoriality; this is false brings in the copula again, whereas it will make an exception brings this right into the critter' behavior. Given our understanding of animal behavior, to gather honey for its young implies that the honey is required for the young's growth.

POKENAME uses its sharp claws to chase away competition is more direct and clarifies it's going to be aggressive about gathering resources, not merely defending them, so i do like that over It uses its sharp claws in battle.

Both run into trouble with the pronouns when referring to the competition, unfortunately. Wildheart has but when faced with a threat - isn't all competition a threat? whereas but if it is weaker than them, there's some pronoun ambiguity because the nearest antecedent of the same number is "claws"

[boreal canyon]

you've forgot one ` each time

this different from this

[fair thicket]

oh dear 😅 i liked Wildheart's first half better and your second!

[boreal canyon]

copula ?

[fair thicket]

verb that conveys "be" or "seem". it's a grammar term

[jagged ledge]

I'm more used to the one ` and honestly I'm getting a little tired

[fair thicket]

sometimes called a "linking verb"?

[boreal canyon]

ok ok

[fair thicket]

yeye 😅 copulas are considered less strong than other verbs, so I like using them less. on the other hand, this is a lot closer to technical writing than creative writing? so leaning towards copulas might be preferred

[boreal canyon]

What about this :

POKENAME isn't normally aggressive or territorial, but it will make an exception to gather honey for its young. It'll uses its sharp claws to chase away rivals, but if proven weaker than them, POKENAME'll blow bubbles to fly away.

mixed wildheart and mine

[boreal canyon]

and yeah, after reading, i agree

[hexed fog]

35.179.png It is rumored that the more time POKENAME spends in the moon, the more brightly the lightbulb at the tip of its tail glows. In rural areas, POKENAME are sometimes used as lanterns!

can we edit this to

It is rumored that the more time POKENAME spends under the moonlight, the more brightly the lightbulb at the tip of its tail glows. In rural areas, POKENAME are sometimes used as lanterns.

Mind if we change this over @dull dome

[boreal canyon]

why not "under moonlight" instead of "under the moon" ?

[hexed fog]

that's also fine, the issue was it being IN the moon lol

[boreal canyon]

yeah x)

[hexed fog]

space sheep

[boreal canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/nyan-sheep-nyan-cat-sheeples-space-gif-20663312

[hexed fog]

277.429.png POKENAME has been puzzling scientists for years. While vines keep growing out of it's body, POKENAME seems to be hollow.

Is this the right sprite? @dull dome

[jagged ledge]

its

[hexed fog]

@weak warren please be sure to only submit entries for sprites currently in the game 🙂

[fair thicket]

POKENAME isn't normally aggressive or territorial, but it will make an exception to gather honey for its young. It uses its sharp claws to chase away rivals, but if proven weaker, POKENAME will blow bubbles to fly away.

Couple grammar edits. I think we can eschew the "them" in the second sentence entirely? An alternate option might be but if proven the weaker one,?

I also am now wondering about when gathering honey for its young instead of to gather but that's a last-minute fussing on my part so don't take it too seriously

[boreal canyon]

i like the removal of "them" and yeah "when gathering" would be more fitting, because otherwise it kinda reads as a "i'm chill but i'll destroy everything just for the honey" whereas "when gathering" implies a "if needed" that doesn't need to be written

idk if i'm clear

[fair thicket]

"outta my way. i'm gathering honey."

[boreal canyon]

-# ngl, now i'm kinda wondering if i should edit the sprite to replace the bubble wings with honey bubble wings xD

[jagged ledge]

Sorry to interrupt, but should I submit the Dexdoku entires now or...?

[fair thicket]

haven't had a chance to look deeper as I was helping Term, mb

[boreal canyon]

i don't even know what are the rules for dexdoku x)

[jagged ledge]

It's alright lol

[fair thicket]

i think the rules are "have fun"

[jagged ledge]

Uh there aren't any yet lol

It's basically Spritedoku but you have to use existing sprites that fit the theme and write entries

[boreal canyon]

yeah, so we agree to :

POKENAME isn't normally aggressive or territorial, but it will make an exception when gathering honey for its young. It uses its sharp claws to chase away rivals, but if proven weaker, POKENAME will blow bubbles to fly away.

OR we could replace "bubbles" with "bubbly wings" ?

[fair thicket]

Shroomish/Mew - I'm the wrong vibe for this, as I'd change silently and quickly for words with stronger verbs, so I'll bow out of that part. Not sure about the second sentence - is it referring to twin dangers? it will root in your skin and it can cause you to hallucinate? or is the danger that it could be anywhere and can cause you to hallucinate?

[fair thicket]

looks good 👍 either "bubbles" or "bubbly wings" works for me

🤔 though the latter might be clearer

[jagged ledge]

Primarily skin AND hallucinate, but also making you hallucinate from a different surface would make sense too maybe.

[weak warren]

Just asking for clarification did you mean about my recent entries I submitted for pokemon that only have the autogen sprites?

[boreal canyon]

POKENAME isn't normally aggressive or territorial, but it will make an exception when gathering honey for its young. It uses its sharp claws to chase away rivals, but if proven weaker, POKENAME will blow bubbly wings to fly away.

submitted to the form

i like how almost every one of my krabby head have bubbles xD

[jagged ledge]

Bubbles are cool and a feature of Krabby

[boreal canyon]

so, what will be the next one xD ?

[dull dome]

Yea

[dull dome]

Sure

[fair thicket]

Gabite/Meloetta
"at the top of its lungs" is a cliche, which isn't bad necessarily, but it stands out if that's the main thrust of the opening sentence. perhaps more like POKENAME belts out punk rock melodies, whipping its razor-sharp hair to the beat. There's some mush in the repeated it will flip it that could be smoothed out.
(also i don't know if melodies have beats? aren't those different parts of a musical work?)

[dull dome]

idm

[hexed fog]

what vines lol

[hexed fog]

grovyle's leaves would not be considered vines :/

[boreal canyon]

apparently i've put a dex for it, so what do you think of it ?

[dull dome]

it was in the auto-generated entry tho

[boreal canyon]

leaves aren't vines, they don't serve the same purpose

[hexed fog]

... you cannot enter entries for autogen'd sprites.

[boreal canyon]

i think they're talking about the broken autogen entry

like this for exemple

[dull dome]

not the sprite

the entry

[jagged ledge]

The spliced entry on daena is "Leaves grow out of this Pokémon's body. What seems to be its body is actually hollow."

[fair thicket]

Diglett/Jirachi
like this one. A quibble would be to change is interested in to something snappier like desires to
🤔 on the macro scale, doesn't attempts to dig up POKENAME for selfish reasons imply that someone can dig up Digrachi for non-selfish reasons? The first sentence implies (to me, at least) that Digrachi grants wishes on its own terms, thankyouverymuch, and wouldn't take too kindly to being disturbed.

turned to crystal and buried deep within a cavern. since you already say "deep" I wonder if there's a snappier synonym like "entombed" or smth

[boreal prairie]

The autogen entry says leaves, not vines

[dull dome]

277.429.png POKENAME has been puzzling scientists for years. While leaves keep growing out of it's body, POKENAME seems to be hollow.

could you change it to this

@hexed fog

[jagged ledge]

I am not an Unown

[dull dome]

yeah I realized that's mb

[dull dome]

I thought I replied to the unown

[hexed fog]

kk

[jagged ledge]

I do like the change to belts, I think the beat part should be ok because people would get the idea? Also it's Meloetta so I feel like you can inherently cheat a little in that regard? I do see what you're saying about the flip, and I will look into seeing if there's a structure that works better.

[boreal canyon]

ngl, i think izik is the only unown i know xD

[jagged ledge]

bobosmith, Ziggaway, Lord-something I think?

[fair thicket]

Whimsicott/Treecko. Like it. Only quibble would is "what if they don't want to grow cotton, though? isn't cotton an incredibly intense crop that's pretty destructive for the soil?" but that's more of a meta thing, heh 😅

[fair thicket]

I want to suggest there be a pin with a list of the unowns, since most aren't online and the role itself isn't pingable

[hexed fog]

416.143.png In ancient times, POKENAME was revered as the guardian of sacred temples, presenting travelers with intricate riddles before granting them entry. Only those with exceptional wit could awaken this sleeping giant and solve its questions.

How did it ask riddles if it cannot speak? @past cypress

[dull dome]

telepathy mabye?

[past cypress]

Yeah I was thinking telepathy

Idk i was thinking since it's such a chunky boi he'd be a good guard for an ancient temple

[hexed fog]

neither of these pokemon have been known to have that ability

[dire silo]

While I respect the discretion of the devs, some of the objections cited for my rejected entries are simply wrong, and as I tend to be fastidious in my writing, I likewise tend to be somewhat fastidious in defending it. I also question the frequent application of FAQ 9 when there are famous entries by Game Freak that violate the rule, and the eagerness to apply that rule in some cases seems to indicate a lack of cultural literacy on the part of the editors, since particulars can be used metonymically to describe generalities, and that is how myths work in the first place. Regarding my entry for 329.149.png (Aegislah x Dragonite), the objections "faq 35" and "inviting human children to rule feels oddly specfic." This particular case seems to indicate the necessity for an explanation box on the submission form, as was recently discussed in this channel. The vague reference to an island across the sea, which the Unown considered an unwarranted fabrication outside of Pokemon's canon as per FAQ 35, is derived from Dragonite's Pokedex entries. As for the reference to children ruling that the Unown finds so questionable, it is a nod to Aegislash's fabled ability to detect innate qualities of leadership as well as a nod to Narnia. For 381.352, I do not see how an origin myth for a mythical pokemon fusion reasonably violates FAQ 9. Regarding 377.288b, I do not see how it violates FAQ 9 at all, since using the singular article is licit, and I also do not see how FAQ 16 makes sense for this entry, either. It seems likely that this is another case where the Unown is not familiar with the language of myth or the logic of generalization, not to mention the Game Freak entries that I have used as models. Clearly, I'vea different interpretation of the rules, and, sorry for the negativity, but I'm not sure based on this evidence that it's practical for me to continue making efforts to contribute, though it's something I might like to have done, as I'm a writer with an MA in English.

[hexed fog]

Can a non-legendary Pokemon use human communication, such as speech or sign language? As long as the base Pokemon has the ability to do so in the Pokemon canon

[jagged ledge]

Good idea on the word edits, and I guess the 'intentions' vibe would be about people that actively try to hunt it down and disturb it? Like if someone seeks it out and Digrachi likes it, they won't have to dig. So only people that it refuses and won't listen would go that far.

[past cypress]

Any suggestions on how to keep the vibe without speaking?

I was thinking since it was a myth it doesn't necessarily have to be correct too

[hexed fog]

sec I have to read an essay

[fair thicket]

Salamence/Kecleon - what's considered the main body? Looking at the sprite, i'd assume it's everything but the wings, but if you intended that, i figured you'd just say "wings"
i'd remove the almost, as resemble already implies it's not identical
https://www.fusiondex.org/336.290/

[past cypress]

Like the typhlosion copypasta speaks but in theory it's just a myth

[hexed fog]

That's fine, you are free to contribute as little or as much as you wish. I am sorry that you feel the rulings are not up to your standards.

[boreal prairie]

I think for the spreadsheet to be useable (had three crashes) it might be prudent to create tabs per generations, and then have a "in progress" page and a "final decision made" page

[past cypress]

Very good idea ngl

Cus the spreadsheet is a little excessive atm due to its size

[jagged ledge]

I mean it itself is a cotton plant and it knows how to grow/clear it so

[boreal prairie]

@jaunty crest hey frog, do you think you could edit the writing tips pin to include my tip here: #dex-entries-discussion message

[fair thicket]

Diglett/Aron
Snappiness, uhhhh.
I'm having difficulty phrasing my critiques. Lemme come back, if you don't mind.

[hexed fog]

yeah I'm poking @vague osprey to see if we can get this done

the mobile version of the sheet is... aggressive

[past cypress]

@hexed fog should I just give you directly my new edit or should I resubmit on the form? Do you have a preference?

[jagged ledge]

Also maybe a tab similar to the wild encounter table but just listing the file numbers of sprites without custom entries? Rather than needing to reverse look up if it's in Approved, you could check the Unwritten tab or something?

[fair thicket]

Oddish/Duskull
just plurality changes. will shoot nuts from the holes in their masks that can paralyze anyone they hit

[jagged ledge]

gotcha

[boreal prairie]

I respect you for going through the entries on Wildhearts picture, I don't have the patience to retype myself haha

[hexed fog]

POKENAME were revered as guardians of sacred temples in ancient times. They would stand near tablets inscribed with intricate riddles, awakening only to challenge travelers. Only the most intelligent could solve their puzzles and gain entry.

hows this

oh shoot someone else got it

?

[hexed fog]

you can msg me thats 100% fine

[past cypress]

I like it!!!

[boreal prairie]

Could you post the entries in questions in a message, I just can't get the spreadsheet to open

[past cypress]

?

[hexed fog]

replied to the wrong person in the wrong window about a completely different thing Rakunk

I am sorry lol

[jagged ledge]

I literally set up my tabs to multitask even thinner so I could upload them here as text.

[boreal prairie]

Oh did I miss them in text? I just saw the picture!

[jagged ledge]

[fair thicket]

Dragonite/Weezing
Said to keep watch is snappier, unless you have reason for it needing to be in the past.
hmm POKENAME protects anything instead of will protect
While it prefers not to fight - it's a guard that keeps watch, yeah? Perhaps you mean something more like Peaceful unless disturbed?

🤔 for plurality's sake, perhaps Anyone who enters the smog will be etc?

[fair thicket]

I definitely think the guidelines need to be updated and clarified with examples.

[dire silo]

Considering that your response to my question last night suggested that I couldn't read while also failing to respond meaningfully, rather as your present response is both condescending and unhelpful, it is clear that you also fail to live to up to worthwhile standards. It is unfortunate that this worthwhile project that could have benefitted from my contributions won't have them, and I mean that sincerely.

[jagged ledge]

I was thinking like maybe it was once part of a legend but has been sighted more commonly or something, so like "This swamp is where they come from that they used to guard, but now they're off doing normal Pokemon things." so I do think keeping it in the past would be best.

'Protects' note is good. And yeah, Peaceful unless disturbed sounds good.

Plural note is appreciated.

[fair thicket]

Diglett/Gastly
I get the vibe you're going for now that I realized that it's the joke about no one being able to see what's underneath a diglett, hee. I was definitely thrown, though, since I don't think gastly can make portals?

[past cypress]

Just a heads up I have another entry you'll encounter later that will also reference telepathy, it's a dodrio/espeon fusion so that'll need to be edited too

@hexed fog

[jagged ledge]

Well I wanted it to be like Diglett popping up out of this strange magic hole of floating rocks, potentially from the underworld if you want to fully lean on the Gastly parts. But it was a light-hearted slightly silly entry, so I kept it vague and mysterious on purpose.

Because Diglett can just pop up anywhere, we don't entriely know how they move about.

[hexed fog]

whats the number lemme look

[jagged ledge]

I mean Espeon has telepathy, so it should be ok?

[boreal prairie]

Okay I've had a chance to look at the entries. I think perhaps the issue is that they are a little too focused on a single "myth". To explain, there is a difference about a myth that explains the origin of "ghosts" vs. a myth that explains the origin of Bloody Mary, and your entries (at least the ones in question) lean a bit to far toward the latter. Additionally, there are som Proper Nouns that have no precedent in Pokémon lore that I'm aware of. "cleanse the Doors of Perception" perhaps should be something more like "cleanse the crossing between the psychic and material worlds" (or whatever you intended the Veil of Perception to be) which is more applicable to Pokémon specific worldbuilding.
I can tell you are passionate, it really isn't a knock against your writing to get rejected, its about helping to shape the work into the genre expectations.
(im also not an unown, just someone being friendly)

[jagged ledge]

Also let me reread the initial draft of Salamence/Kecleon because that one I had almost too many ideas for so I need to sort things out a bit.

[hexed fog]

I mean it's psychic but idk does it ever speak with its telepoathy to humans?

what was that sentence I just wrote

[jagged ledge]

To humans? No I don't believe so, but depending on the context of the entry, I know doduo heads talk telepathically to each other.

[fair thicket]

Unfortunately, I don't think there's enough gastly in the entry for the joke to work without background knowledge

[hexed fog]

yeah thats def true

[past cypress]

POKENAME possesses an extraordinary ability to communicate through telepathy, not only with its own heads but with other creatures as well. Each head has a distinct personality, and will often argue with one another for hours at a time.

[jagged ledge]

Well I mean, that's kinda part of it though? I wanted it to be lighthearted and a little more mysterious, so I purposefully left out some of the Gastly stuff, just like the sprite.

[past cypress]

Oh nvm it was approved

Cool

[hexed fog]

honestly? that shouldnt be a problem

oh then good

it doesnt specifically say humans and pokemon talk to eachother contstantly

[jagged ledge]

The one note I could make is change creatures to Pokemon (I have no way of making the accent on my regular keyboard, but know it should be there. )

[hexed fog]

I mean yeah but it's not super necessary imo

it's fiiiiiiine

[jagged ledge]

Yeah, I just started typing before I saw it was approved and wanted to finish my point lol

[jagged ledge]

Yeah, basically I started with just "wings" but then I was like "But what about the horns and tails?" basically anything red is what they can change. I'm not quite sure how to fully make the distinction tbh.

[boreal prairie]

Okay I'm caught up now, did you feel you got enough help from other Wildheart, are there any of those entries you're working on still?

[jagged ledge]

Maybe say "their wings and frills?" "their wings and stripes?"

[jagged ledge]

Mainly the Salamence/Kecleon one I'm still working on, but also I need to go actually add in these edits.

[past cypress]

#WildheartForUnown

Make it happen

[hexed fog]

I mean anyone can apply

[past cypress]

Oh ik it was a joke

[fair thicket]

Diglett/Aggron
I think it might be the "for" that's tripping me up, because that implies intent, I feel. Unless that's what's meant, perhaps sensitive body that serves as specialized armor when it's above ground? idk
The second sentence is very much using the almost-right word(s). Maybe more like The strength in the crystalline horns displayed when fighting has led people to theorize or something?

[hexed fog]

I'm not, I encourage folks to apply.

[jagged ledge]

Ehhh I am already spread way too thin tbh. I did make some progress on business but I have a long way to go and I have not been taking the best care of myself today in favor of being so active here. While the thought and praise is appreciated, I don't think that's a smart decision for me right now... at least not full time.

[boreal prairie]

POKENAME camouflages its torso blue and white to blend in among the clouds, but changes the color of the rest of their body its wings freely. It joyfully races other POKENAME to create colored contrails that resemble odd rainbows.

some concision, also increasing the specificity a little bit to smooth over some ambiguity

[jagged ledge]

Well yes, it has the armor 'For when it is above ground' to protect its body.

I do think crystalline horns is snappier, but I mostly used the word carries to describe how it operates the horns despite being a small bump. The way the body moves so easily with these horns despite their size and weight is impressive for something so small.

[dire silo]

This makes sense. As I said, it's clear I have such a different interpretation of the rules that I'm not sure it would be practical for me to continue writing. That is also true of the fact that my writing style is very much on the mythic and unscientific side of things. I actually dislike most science fiction (and most fantasy that is essentially science ficiton dressed up as fantasy), and I've always wanted Pokemon to lean more into the mythical and folkloric dimension of things.

[jagged ledge]

My advice would be maybe try writing for specifically legendary fusions? Slap a "Said" or a "Claimed to be" or "Ancient myths speak of" at the beginning or something and try to go on a broader scale of subjects and most should be ok to be more mythological in nature?

Like on my other Dexdoku Grid I have a Kommo-o/Rayquaza and what I have so far is

Legends claim that the arrival of POKENAME is a sign of a peaceful future. Ancient traditions say that ringing ritual bells will resonate with the clanging of POKENAME's scales and summon it in times of need.

It's describing the legends and impact of the Pokemon, not just retelling the exact fable. But it combines mythical aspects of Rayquaza settling quarrels like Groudon and Kyogre and tying in the sound of Kommo-o's scales to tell one original legend

[dire silo]

Many of my entries do include some version of "it is said," where there was space, and my entries are mostly for legendaries or pseudo-legendaries.

[jagged ledge]

@fair thicket , did you Klefki/Deino entry get accepted? I think that was a good example of how to describe a legend in an entry.

[fair thicket]

no, no it's something other than that. maybe it's the "to act as" then that's tripping me up? Something about it seems to imply that... idk, it grows the rock armor only if it intends to surface?
could just be a me thing

[jagged ledge]

hm, let me reread the entry Ozy referenced real quick.

[fair thicket]

(pings don't worked when edited)
i can check, but i think the best next step would be to look at Alkazamis's entries first

[jagged ledge]

I was also thinking that like it would use its armor as a helmet and kinda glide right under the surface with only the crystals out.

[jagged ledge]

Noted, sorry.

[fair thicket]

luckily i saw the edit 😌

[jagged ledge]

Yeah, based on what Ozy is describing, I definitely think it is the singular subject issue or scale of subject being too grand and formal outside of Pokemon lore/logic.

[boreal prairie]

I do I think that we should avoid using "According to ancient legend" as a crutch (partially because to me any entry basically silently start with that phrase). It is tricky to blend the Nature Encyclopedia genre with the Mythic History genre (especially with the character count constraints.)

Take for example, Rayquaza in Ruby

Rayquaza lived for hundreds of millions of years in the earth's ozone layer, never descending to the ground. This Pokémon appears to feed on water and particles in the atmosphere.

It basically just says, here is where it lives and what it eats, like a nature entry. The "myth" comes from the fantastical specifics of the natural, living in the ozone and "eating" dew. It is in the blending that the Pokédex genre really shines, and is the interesting challenge, to me at least

[fair thicket]

I also need to check whether my wobbuffet/noivern entry got rejected, since apparently the slow-ass spreadsheet is how anyone is ever notified of anything!

[jagged ledge]

You know... I do think today has taught me someting very important.

Ask for critiques BEFORE putting the entries on Dexdoku

Because I haven't even gotten to my second sheet yet.

[fair thicket]

anyway, here's the fairy tale:

The perfect protector for precious keys - as long as you don't want them back! An obscure Kalosian fairy tale tells of a hero who tricked a brutish POKENAME into guarding the key to its own shackles.

[jagged ledge]

Yeah, it describes the species physical behavior, then a broad subject of an in-universe recognition of that behavior.

It has a source or meaning behind it within the logic

[jagged ledge]

torso is a good way to specify, thank you. But I might say Wings and frills at that point.

[boreal prairie]

So here is how I would take a pass on one of your entries

377.288b.png (Hydreigon/Gallade)

People tremble in fear before the might of this abyssal Pokémon. It has the countenance of a graceful paladin, but assails its foes with a whirlwhind of fuliginous blades.

Your original entry, with the stuff I "trimmed" striked through

A mighty being born of abyssal darkness beyond the stars, POKENAME is a supremely graceful paladin of shadows that assails its foes with a whirlwind of fuliginous blades. In fear and trembling, people sometimes call it the Lord of Destruction.

Its not as mythopoetic, but that's just the genre, a little more grounded presenation of highetened ideas.

So yes, sure, we've lost a few details, but the core remains: It is dark, meanacing, and deadly with its whirling blades. The Lord of Destruction part, well, it is just a Gallade and a Hydreigon, will everyone who trains one want to think of it as a Lord of Destruction? Remember, you're writing entries for people's buddies and pets as much as your are for the Lore.

[jagged ledge]

If this was a DnD project, that style would be great though.

Because I'm sitting here as a DM and saying "Yeah, that sounds cool, that's good writing and nice flavortext... but it doesn't sound like a Pokemon."

[fair thicket]

this is definitely telling me there ought to be a pokedex glow-up or some other formal project to show examples. Obviously it's not possible to do this for every entry, but it'd be beneficial to have a collection of examples that show the process one might undergo in order to make an entry fit the guidelines
and not just brush off newbies with an "i'm sorry you feel that way" and no actual guidance

[jagged ledge]

I definitely agree, but also I feel like we also need to remind people that this channel is here to offer edits and advice for anyone looking to write entries.

Even if trying to sort through nine of my entries at once is chaotic and exhausting and I don't really want to do it again even with the second Dexdoku sheet in reserves and I might not keep every suggested edit... at the end of the day, it still helps the process a LOT.

[fair thicket]

I'd say that too, but the problem is that a heavily-workshopped entry in this channel can nonetheless get a rejection - or worse, a complete rewrite. it raises the question of why we should even bother workshopping.

[dire silo]

I see how that works as a Pokédex entry, but it’s not something I would write, so I won’t be submitting it. I appreciate your comments, though.

[jagged ledge]

Yeah, that's also a good point.

[fair thicket]

👍 understandable. if you do feel like you want to offer ideas that folks can turn into entries (perhaps as a sort of collab?) that's on the table, too

[dire silo]

I can see the logic here, but one thing Pokémon isn’t really known for is great writing, and from generation to generation, and from region to region, the atmosphere changes slightly. My favorite generation for overall milieu is Gen 4 because it is so mythopoetic. I always wanted more of that in Pokémon. I would make my own Pokémon-like game, if I had the resources, to do just that, and I’m gradually putting together a Pokémon fangame to take things in that direction, actually far more so than my entries here, though that’s a very limited and slow-going project, as I dislike coding.

[jagged ledge]

I mean that's really cool that you're making your own project and style and doing what you want to see. Heck, I would recommend maybe making a DM Lore book. Even make it Pokemon themed if you want. That way you could write down all your collections of lore and be able to use it for immediate projects or stories that you can grow and adapt in real time.

[dire silo]

I actually made a small handbook of more for a campaign one time that never got going.

[jagged ledge]

But also, the guidelines are kinda there for a reason... this is not that mythological game, this is not DnD. This is Infinite Fusion, and while I agree the rules need to be communicated better and multiple styles or voices are a good thing, we are still writing for Infinite Fusion. I think your ideas are great and you should pursue them, but unfortunately one of the things you need to work on as a writer is undergoing edits and writing with your audience in mind.

[dire silo]

Possibly. I’m open to collaborations on various kinds of projects. People can message me if they want. Given how much talk there is here in workshopping specific entries, and that I probably won’t be submitting many more, if any, I probably won’t be paying that much attention to this channel on a regular basis after today.

[fair thicket]

eh, i think this statement's a bit unwarranted. like maybe the "audience in mind" part, but why does Alkazamis need to work on undergoing edits when they weren't even given edits to work with?

[dire silo]

I am of the opinion that if this is a pertinent criticism, then it is really the FAQ that has the problem here, as others have suggested. I would like to point out the famous Kadabra entry that contradicts the FAQ and much of the advice that I have been given.

[jagged ledge]

Quick side note, sorry. That is really cool and I genuinely wish you the best if you decide to resume that. I love homebrew and original lore, keep it up.

[dire silo]

There is also the fact that much of the advice I have been given revolves around very modern understandings of “nature.”

[jagged ledge]

That is definitely fair, yeah. This is kinda an issue of things colliding before the course was communicated.

I'm also just very tired and trying my best to explain my perspective of this as a fellow writer, so I'm sorry if I'm not quite addressing all of the issues at once or phrasing everything quite right.

[fair thicket]

ooh, elaborate? i think i'm understanding what you're going for (stuff like the medieval idea that flies spawned ab nihilo from rotting meat, right?)

[jagged ledge]

Yeah, that definitely makes sense why it's an issue and causes confusion... I honestly genuinely agree that the FAQs need some polish or at least clearer examples/demonstrations.

[dire silo]

I get that. I respect your efforts. You’re doing well enough. I can come across as rather acerbic myself sometimes, because I have had a lot of experience with innocent and talented people suffering from the incompetence of official superiors, to put it simply.

[dire silo]

That’s one example.

[jagged ledge]

No trust me, you're totally valid, I get it.

[dire silo]

A famous one would be the idea that what are in modern times understood as “natural laws” were understood as “inclinations” or the operations of “governing intelligences.”

See, for example, explanations of the Celestial Hierarchy of Pseudo-Dionysius.

C. S. Lewis’s Space Trilogy is my kind of science fiction

[jagged ledge]

Again, I'm sorry, but while this is cool lore and worldbuilding... we already have a world built? Like... it is a modern understanding of nature because the Pokedex is a scientific device studying the nature of the Pokemon?

[fair thicket]

I asked Alkazamis to elaborate because I want to hear their thoughts.

[jagged ledge]

Oh sorry I misread, my bad

[fair thicket]

If this were a busier moment for the channel or smth, then yeah, we'd move to discuss this elsewhere 😌

[jagged ledge]

That's on me. Continue.

[jagged ledge]

I do need to go finish revising all the Dexdoku entries...

[dire silo]

Particularly relevant to Pokémon is the Japanese tradition of yokai. Studio Ghibli famously takes that sort of thing in very different and very fantastic direction. I’ve always wanted Pokémon to do more of that sort of thing.

[jagged ledge]

Oh I do love Yokai

[dire silo]

That is one plausible interpretation, but the world is still being built, both in the sense that the world of Pokémon should be open to further exploration and the sense that the Pokedex for IF is still being developed, and what constitutes is “Science” ultimately is whatever it is found to contain. It is also the nature of science itself to be incomplete, always.

[fair thicket]

:nodnod: afaik, irl animals don't have Psychic powers, for one

[dire silo]

As far as we know…

[fair thicket]

(which means my suggestion about "isn't cotton a terribly destructive crop?" is just that - a suggestion. you can decide it's different in the poke-verse, especially when the seeds are spread by pixies 🤭 )

[jagged ledge]

Well if you have potential ideas for the direction to take the game or dex entries in, maybe try leaving a suggestion for the developer to include more mythological aspects? I agree being open to grow is good, and trust me, I would much rather have a few lore inconsistencies if it means more creativity and trust me even as I say all this, I don't agree with all of the FAQs (I have too many ideas for how fusions would evolve, adapt, or form in the wild, dangit ) it's just that it's already someone else's project, and the FAQ are sourced from real things that they've needed to work on or review, so I'm willing to be flexible and patient to a degree, even if I fully agree approvements need to be made.

I think this is also part of the reason I don't want to be an Unown tbh. If I was an Unown, I would accept pretty much everything as long as it was written well and made sense to me. I don't like rejecting or telling people no.

I'm just trying to make logic of it tbh. If it was up to me, most of what you wrote would go through to a degree, but at the same time, if the question is "Why didn't it?" I'm trying to understand that and provide an answer myself.

Sorry if I'm rambling.

TLDR: Your writing is good. Keep exploring your passions. The FAQs definitely need an update. Sometimes different ideas work better in different places, but either way, I think you should keep writing what you want to write and doing what you want to do.

[dire silo]

Fair enough. I prefaced my initial critical response with acknowledgement of the editors’ discretion, after all.

[jagged ledge]

Of course, no worries

[dire silo]

I also think there should be room for humor in dex entries, within reason. Many entries are infamously absurd, after all, if taken scientifically. There are countless YouTube videos on the subject. Ultimately, like Wildheart said, I prize creativity first and foremost.

[jagged ledge]

I mean take my Diglett/Gastly entry with a grain of salt because I haven't even submitted it let alone had it accepted, but I agree.

[dire silo]

By the way, the “Lord of Destruction” bit was a reference to Shiva, because it seemed appropriate for a three-headed Pokémon associated with darkness and destruction to reflect the destructive aspect of the Trimurti. Just pointing out how there is a reason for everything I write.

[fair thicket]

oh man i feel you on this one
i will say the reference to real-world religions would probably get it axed for the "no real world references" rule, though

though i get what you mean about it being an oblique nod or smth, naturally

[dire silo]

It has its own internal logic, though, and the rule actually says “no direct references,” and furthermore explains that the point is for the entry to make sense in-universe

[small nest]

https://tenor.com/view/waltwhite-breakingbad-say-my-name-gif-7259290

[fair thicket]

Hi Lord Joostmeister!
Can we get a pinned message that lists all the unowns to make it easier to find one to ping if we have an unown-directed question?

unfortunately, the role itself is not pingable, which leaves that option off the table rn 😔

[small nest]

Absolutely, I've been trying to get that done myself.

[red bolt]

where are the latest sprites located?

[fair thicket]

depends what you mean by that
I'm guessing you're talking about what we use for filenames, i.e., fusiondex.org?

[red bolt]

no, for download i mean

[fair thicket]

not sure why you're asking here. you'll want #tech-support

[red bolt]

o okay thx

[jagged ledge]

Lord Joostmeister

[small nest]

You're Arceus-darn right

[jagged ledge]

[jagged ledge]

An effort is now being made

[hexed fog]

264.325.png It is said that POKENAME created the sense of taste in all beings. If a trainer creates a dish which pleases its tongue, they will be blessed in having every dish taste spectacular.

I feel like a non-legendary wouldn't be able to have this claim, since its canon that other Pokemon existed before this one existed. Would you be interested in changing this to "POKENAME has one of the most distinguished taste of all beings."

@nocturne shadow

5.201.png POKENAME radiates a faint psychic glow as its fiery tail pulses in sync with its emotions. It drifts through shadowy areas, drawn to intense heat sources.

mind if we change this to

POKENAME radiates a faint purple glow as its fiery tail pulses in sync with its emotions. It drifts through shadowy areas, drawn to intense heat sources.

only because 'psychic glow' isn't something you should be able to see, unless you mean that ripple effect that the game uses? @terse tide

[terse tide]

Sounds good to me!

[narrow cosmos]

POKENAME is thought to be an ancient civilization's attempt at making guardians able to transform to face any attacker. The eons have degraded its physical form and transformation capabilities.

[jagged ledge]

Ooooh I love it

Also SK

[jagged ledge]

Try my DexDoku

[narrow cosmos]

My brain might implode.

[jagged ledge]

I believe in you

[hexed fog]

38.26a.png Grabbing one of POKENAME's lightning bolt shaped tails will result in you getting blasted by 100,000 volts of electricity. If somehow you survive, you will become a human lightning rod.

Hey @timid sky mind if we cut out the last sentence? That wouldn't really cause someone to be a lightning rod lol