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#showdown-teambuilding
lofty scroll
quiet salmon
all of these run sd
dim jackal
Dude some don't based off sets
brisk pebble
White Herb
frigid pilot
Anyone have any experience using azumachomp?
Want to build a team around it but I'm not sure if huge power or sap sipper would be better, no weaknesses seems pretty strong but so does not having to run SD
quiet salmon
huge power is 1000% better
but assuming this is ag theres probably better things out there than chomp
shadow lion
What do y'all think of this
lofty scroll
Interesting to say the least. Having a Pokémon to prevent entry hazards is nice. Seeing a lot of people playing around with Galvantula fusions.
frigid warren
thoughts
unkempt pelican
ag team?
unkempt pelican
Idk if anyone plays ag
buoyant cove
is there a list of all digimon in infinite
main rapids
also azuril should have another look taken at it in ou
huge power should be banned outright if ur going to ban azumaril
unkempt pelican
ong
main rapids
azurill base attack with dnite is 96, azumaril with dnite is 106
there's not much diff
azurill also gives espeed stab
honest umbra
I feel like this probably isnt the best idea I've had but I want thoughts
quiet salmon
shadow ball is really not a great move to abuse tinted with
and air slash has shitty bp
lofty scroll
Current IF Dex OU team I'm testing. Doing fairly ok with it, probably could still use some tweaking.
quiet salmon
hone claws is extremely fake
zero use for iron head or aerial ace
wish with no protect is very unreliable
deep olive
sterile glacier
I think the intent with Wish looks to be to pass it to teammates with Parting Shot?
quiet salmon
thats fine but without protect u cant heal urself
quiet salmon
smokescreen 
fallow osprey
thoughts?
Thinking about swapping tyranitar and tangrowth to have a prankster sleep powder and a no guard stone edge
but the prankster stealth rock is pretty nasty
quiet salmon
most of these movesets dont make sense
muk can just use sludge bomb to poison while replacing bunker with recovery
porynite cannot hit steels except with a 40 bp move while not having strong ghost coverage and a random dragon move
smack down doesnt make sense because you dont use any ground moves
no guard is vastly outclassed by regen
and theres probably a better fusion for quag than torterra
scald is better than waterfall because of the burns
fallow osprey
muk can just use sludge bomb to poison while replacing bunker with recovery
It actually doesn't learn recover
harsh ibex
Necrozma learns morning sun
fallow osprey
The no guard was mostly for sleep powder so this way it'd always land making it a spore
fallow osprey
Necrozma learns morning sun
true, thank you
fallow osprey
porynite cannot hit steels except with a 40 bp move while not having strong ghos...
gave it earthquake instead of outrage, honestly forgot it wasn't a dragon type anymore
unkempt pelican
i just played the top player 😭
fallow osprey
^^ same, got my ass beat
fallow osprey
and theres probably a better fusion for quag than torterra
replaced tort with garchomp
quiet salmon
The no guard was mostly for sleep powder so this way it'd always land making it ...
75% isnt bad though and ur passing up free recovery
fallow osprey
true but having a reliable 120 power grass move and spore is really solid
fallow osprey
My trust in pokemon rng has been forever damaged by the times that they don't hit
prankster spore is legal?
damn
brisk pebble
prankster spore is legal?
It is, but there are ways of handling it
- Have a dark type pokemon (they're immune to prankster)
- Have a grass type (immune to spore)
- Magic Bounce
- Have safety goggles (we all know u guys only care about choice items anyways so i doubt any1 uses it since Prankster Spore isn't very common)
- Have higher priority (or same priority but higher speed) and hit harder (ESpeed Dragonites and Fake Out Ambipoms)
Generally the moment u have a dark/grass type, it's a free switch in and a free turn to set up on them when they're forced to switch
Dark types are more consistent since they block all prankster moves instead of just Spore
unkempt pelican
has anyone else noticed the lack of prankster mons recently?
brisk pebble
has anyone else noticed the lack of prankster mons recently?
Because dark types as i mentioned. They're not that big a threat
The best use of pranksters are ones that do NOT target the opponent because of the prevelance of dark types and magic bounce, so basically screeners
unkempt pelican
yeah at this point i dont use prankster myself
brisk pebble
I still use Prankster, but just for screens in my balance team
brisk pebble
Hmm... i wonder which is better?
The former has Adaptability which makes ESpeed even stronger,
But the latter has Fluffy which halves all contact attacks including common threats like ESpeed, Mach Punches/Accelerocks, Waterfall, etc, and has access to Earthquake instead of Stomping Tantrum
unkempt pelican
i been using the 2nd personally
i dont got choice scarf tho
i use life orb
1 swords dance and it sweeps
deep olive
this team is valid for ou
rapid glade
probably not all that great but like
gliscor but wisp is a funny concept
just thinking of funny things to build around since im not jiving with the remnants of my team post geomancy/dib ban
brisk pebble
this team is valid for ou
- Idk whether it can survive a single attack from common threats, but Leftovers for such a frail mon will be wasted. Focus Sash, or Life Orb would work better. Mold breaker will also serve u better over Rough Skin
(Ironically, fusing it with Haxorus to make it mono Dragon made it weaker becuz u lose STAB for EQ) - Believe me as someone who tried to make crit dra and Mankey Paw builds work, crits are overated. If you're running an Espeon build, use Magic Bounce to counter hazards
- No ice shard? And for a mon as frail as it, you will rarely have the opportunity to set up Agility. Also, a Mach Punch kills it, so maybe use a speed nature instead.
- This is fine, but it's a little slow. Maybe use Choice Scarf instead?
- Gear Grind sucks. Use Bullet Punch instead. I would prefer Acrobatics over Wing Attack incase something knocks off your item. Also Technician alone isn't enough, maybe use Life Orb?
- Slow and frail. It'll die in a hit, useless
unkempt pelican
Ambinite (Ambipom) @ Silk Scarf
Ability: Technician
Fusion: Dragonite
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Fake Out
- Extreme Speed
- Double Hit
- Roost
good technician mon ^
i was using this when jirachi ambipom was meta
brisk pebble
Too bad it's walled by ghost types. Doesn't it have access to Knock Off? Why not replace Double Hit with it?
brisk pebble
brisk pebble
If u want a technician boosted Dark attack, there's thief, but without STAB nor an item that boosts it, the damage isn't very noticable
Knock Off would have more utility
unkempt pelican
alright
brisk pebble
Also, idk if Roost will help it given it's not that bulky, and if u have time to Roost, the enemy has time to hit u
unkempt pelican
ive won battles with roost but yk ill try a replacement
brisk pebble
Maybe u-turn?
unkempt pelican
ill give it life orb then
unkempt pelican
Maybe u-turn?
smart
fallow osprey
what are some counters for gliscor fusions?
unkempt pelican
what are some counters for gliscor fusions?
most are like toxapex so a grass type
water can be good too
brisk pebble
ill give it life orb then
Actually Silk Scarf isn't a bad option. Powering up your Fake Out and ESpeed is fine. Not having a powerful dark attack u can miss it since u use it for knocking off items and dealing with ghost types
But Life Orb works too if u think it's better
unkempt pelican
hmm
ill try both see which works better
(i suck at building teams and im tryna learn the mechanics of battling again as its been basically sun and moon since ive done vgc and battles competitivly)
name a good fusion that could pair well with the ambipom
wide sparrow
is this a stuff that works ?
unkempt pelican
ag battle?
wide sparrow
yeah ag
teal obsidian
is this a stuff that works ?
Y not espeed?
unkempt pelican
tbh idk much about ag apart from being bullied by a team of wobbufets
teal obsidian
fairy
But bullet punch is weaker against fairies, BP is 40x2=80 Espeed is 80x1.5=120
wide sparrow
But bullet punch is weaker against fairies, BP is 40x2=80 Espeed is 80x1.5=120
yes, but there's some fairy/ghost (i've seen some)
so ... extreme speed won't hit them
unkempt pelican
why 1.5x?
brisk pebble
STAB
teal obsidian
And is bunker needed? It doesnt seem that strong on an offensive mon
unkempt pelican
ohhh
brisk pebble
maybe replace Recover? Do you see any scenario where it'll survive an attack in AG?
unkempt pelican
i forgot
brisk pebble
My grandma can Mach Punch it to hell... she's mach 000.1
unkempt pelican
maybe replace Recover? Do you see any scenario where it'll survive an attack in ...
yeah it looks like a revenge killer or like a fast heavy attaker that will get 1. tapped
teal obsidian
Tbf arent most AG players just kinda memeing
unkempt pelican
Tbf arent most AG players just kinda memeing
yeah like full wobbufet team
teal obsidian
yeah like full wobbufet team
When I played some IFNDAG today I saw a whole venonat team
wide sparrow
i play this thing, so yes, AG is full of memes players x)
wide sparrow
Some sorta dnite prolly
unkempt pelican
Chandelitar (Chandelure) @ Leftovers
Ability: Flame Body
Fusion: Tyranitar
EVs: 252 Def / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Thunderbolt
- Shadow Ball
- Dark Pulse
- Calm Mind
teal obsidian
I was thinking instead of smeargle
unkempt pelican
Chandelitar (Chandelure) @ Leftovers
Ability: Flame Body
Fusion: Tyranitar ...
how does this look?
wide sparrow
brisk pebble
If you're using Smeargle/Haxorus, use Mold Breaker instead of Own Tempo. It will allow u to bust through Wonder Guard nonsense
wide sparrow
If you're using Smeargle/Haxorus, use Mold Breaker instead of Own Tempo. It will...
i have other things to deal with wonder guard
- outrage own tempo is kinda nice, no ?
unkempt pelican
after outrage finishes youll be dead by then if not youd switch out prob would you not?
wide sparrow
after outrage finishes youll be dead by then if not youd switch out prob would y...
idk, if there's no fairy it's free kill
unkempt pelican
yeah
wide sparrow
Or some goofy blissey shuckle abomination or something
blisey shuckle isn't this bad imo
wide sparrow
Unless theres a steel
yeah but 1 pokémon can't counter everything
teal obsidian
blisey shuckle isn't this bad imo
I wouldnt know, I havent tried the gen 7 AG yet
unkempt pelican
blisey shuckle isn't this bad imo
blissey aegislash maybe?
ghost normal type
crazy defence and hp
can also have insane attack
teal obsidian
Aegislash shuckle for big damage?
unkempt pelican
maybe
teal obsidian
Bug and rock kinda suck tho
wide sparrow
blissey aegislash maybe?
yeah this x)
unkempt pelican
i had this build when i did ag
main rapids
u could get this moveset with dnite x meta
unkempt pelican
Chandelitar (Chandelure) @ Leftovers
Ability: Flame Body
Fusion: Tyranitar
EVs: 252 Def / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Thunderbolt
- Shadow Ball
- Dark Pulse
- Calm Mind
main rapids
gives u higher attack
unkempt pelican
also how could i improbe this
fallow osprey
team update
main rapids
wait > baneful
main rapids
yea sry this one
teal obsidian
Chandelitar (Chandelure) @ Leftovers
Ability: Flame Body
Fusion: Tyranitar ...
Shadow ball and dark pulse hit the same targets iirc, is it dark ghost?
wide sparrow
team update
THIS noivern also 
wide sparrow
Shadow ball and dark pulse hit the same targets iirc, is it dark ghost?
nope, dark ghost weak only to fairy
fallow osprey
its so good I can't not have it there, can't just leave a gun on the table
teal obsidian
nope, dark ghost weak only to fairy
I mean the candle gozilla
quiet salmon
idk, if there's no fairy it's free kill
free kill? its 104 atk
fallow osprey
team update
actually any idea what to do with this dragonite? I want it to be a strong e-speed sweeper but I had life orb and it would always die too quickly after a d dance
quiet salmon
team update
dragon pulse hits nothing use flamethrower
also the max spa with no special moves
fallow osprey
aye aye
OH thank you, that makes a ton of sense now why this quagsire is underperforming
fallow osprey
I could swap p punch with iron head
teal obsidian
actually any idea what to do with this dragonite? I want it to be a strong e-spe...
I like ursaring dnite for sweeping, gets SD and can commonly set up 2 due to multiscale
For coverage I run aqua jet and equake
fallow osprey
oh thats what that means
brisk pebble
actually any idea what to do with this dragonite? I want it to be a strong e-spe...
Know when to switch it in. If it dies too quickly after a DDance, it means u made it take a hit. It's not bulky enough to survive that many attacks while running Life Orb
unkempt pelican
caffeine
i need your opinion on this build
Chandelitar (Chandelure) @ Leftovers
Ability: Flame Body
Fusion: Tyranitar
EVs: 252 Def / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Thunderbolt
- Shadow Ball
- Dark Pulse
- Calm Mind
quiet salmon
why ttar
quiet salmon
ghost dark is a pretty terrible offensive typing
unkempt pelican
teal obsidian
ghost dark type
I think even with ghost dark u still just wanna run dark pulse without shadow ball
unkempt pelican
ghost dark is a pretty terrible offensive typing
im using it more as a tank then hit
teal obsidian
And replace shadow ball with some utility or coverage
quiet salmon
surely there is better options
brisk pebble
hmm, i don't actually know. It's meant to be bulky especially given its low speed, but with no recovery options, you'll just keep taking hits till it dies
brisk pebble
i also feel like Flame Body isn't a good choice, since the attacks it walls are mostly physical/contact moves
unkempt pelican
im tryna build some mon that arent like woah youre meta lets use you yk?
unkempt pelican
ima try some chandelura fusions brb
teal obsidian
Wouldnt u want a steel type wiith dhelmise
brisk pebble
Overall it's a pretty... meh? fusion? I can't see it to be useful for any specific scenario
unkempt pelican
quiet salmon
whys it foul play
fallow osprey
I have no clue what else it really needs for coverage and I figured I'd put something for ghost types
quiet salmon
wheres the ghost move
unkempt pelican
wheres the ghost move
oh shadow ball was replaced with dark pulse
quiet salmon
foul play is terrible coverage bc it does nothing if the opp has low atk
unkempt pelican
mb
fallow osprey
time for Thief then i guess
fallow osprey
true but i'd also get walled by a levitate ghost
I mean i guess fire punch is neutral
quiet salmon
idk any levitate ghosts
fallow osprey
misdreavus and gengar have levitate I haven't really seen any fusions with either though besides a nidoking gengar
fallow osprey
they took away levitate? damn
unkempt pelican
thinking of running this
honest umbra
get espeed onto it lol
fallow osprey
shadow sneak
quiet salmon
Arcko (Aron) @ Shell Bell
Ability: Sturdy
Level: 1
Fusion: Treecko
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature
- Endeavor
- Quick Attack
- Leech Seed
- Protect
it uh exists
honest umbra
get another mon to fuck up ghost types
unkempt pelican
Arcko (Aron) @ Shell Bell
Ability: Sturdy
Level: 1
Fusion: Treecko
EVs: ...
bet
quiet salmon
just run pursuit gg
honest umbra
espeed tho
unkempt pelican
no priority hits twice
honest umbra
that's fucked up
quiet salmon
its a bh gimmick
honest umbra
does cover ghosts though so I cant call it anything but good
with the exceptions of mold breaker and rapid spin it holds its ground decently
and multi-hit
unkempt pelican
yeah
honest umbra
anyways trick room team that I'd like to perform a bit better
help
having problems with triple fusions and grass/fire types
brisk pebble
ghost dark type
If you wanted a ghost/dark type, how about this?
quiet salmon
Metaitar (Metagross) @ Choice Band
Ability: Clear Body
Fusion: Tyranitar
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Meteor Mash
- Bullet Punch
- Crunch
- Pursuit
pair it w this
unkempt pelican
If you wanted a ghost/dark type, how about this?
ill try it
brisk pebble
You can replace Dragon Dance with Horn Leech if u want more coverage/more recovery options
quiet salmon
anyways trick room team that I'd like to perform a bit better
bro what is trapinxh
quiet salmon
If you wanted a ghost/dark type, how about this?
why is it double stab
unkempt pelican
If you wanted a ghost/dark type, how about this?
which one of these would be better?
quiet salmon
eviolite with shitty bulk anyway
honest umbra
it was a rhydon and then that lost eviolite access
I needed it to survive a hit and it works well enough
I considered life orb but trapinch is too weak and I needed a ground type
brisk pebble
why is it double stab
idk, came up with it on the spot. In hindsight, might be better to replace Shadow Claw with Horn Leech
honest umbra
plus I dont need speed investment so I can put more into my bulk
also sheer power for play rough and rock slide
teal obsidian
having problems with triple fusions and grass/fire types
I think a dragon can help with that
brisk pebble
which one of these would be better?
It's powerful, and isn't prone to getting revenged killed by priority moves.
It's a little on the slower side though, so it can still get revenged killed by simply faster mons
unkempt pelican
alright
brisk pebble
Maybe remove Dark Pulse for Shadow Ball? You're not getting STAB with the former
unkempt pelican
ill try the trev ttar one
unkempt pelican
Maybe remove Dark Pulse for Shadow Ball? You're not getting STAB with the former
yeah i did
that wasnt edited fully but only change was shadowball
brisk pebble
maybe also change to a speed based nature
teal obsidian
struggling with a team slot to swap though
Id assume trapinch is important for some targets?
honest umbra
Id assume trapinch is important for some targets?
dark types generally
unkempt pelican
alr
brisk pebble
ill try the trev ttar one
I never tested that set tbh. I get the feeling IF's meta will chew it to bits because everything's dmg is so god damned high, i wouldn't be surprised if Harvest Sitrus berry is enough
honest umbra
metagross/scizor also fills that roll but its because my defogger and one of my trick room setters is weak to it
quiet salmon
anyways trick room team that I'd like to perform a bit better
its trick room with zero setup or brokens so somethings wrong here
teal obsidian
dark types generally
How bout mew?
honest umbra
its trick room with zero setup or brokens so somethings wrong here
that's barely constructive
unkempt pelican
I never tested that set tbh. I get the feeling IF's meta will chew it to bits be...
i will see what this guy will think
he isnt on rn tho
honest umbra
How bout mew?
mew is psychic huh
brisk pebble
i will see what this guy will think
if u do, replace Shadow Claw with Horn Leech
unkempt pelican
unkempt pelican
if u do, replace Shadow Claw with Horn Leech
i did
teal obsidian
mew is psychic huh
I feel like mew adds the least, its not strong and it doesnt set TR
quiet salmon
if ur running tr you need extremely strong mons and/or good setup
otherwise theres no reason to use tr
honest umbra
It's there for defogging because there's a ton of ghost types that fuck rapid spin
teal obsidian
And u can easily get hazard control on some dragon
honest umbra
checking out hydreigon rn
quiet salmon
Chandelniclus (Chandelure) @ Life Orb
Ability: Magic Guard
Fusion: Reuniclus
Alt: a
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe
- Shadow Ball
- Focus Blast
- Psychic
- Trick Room
for example
honest umbra
I was asking for an explanation of what brokens and setup means
teal obsidian
if ur running tr you need extremely strong mons and/or good setup
Ye, first step is to not get 6-0d by the starter triples tho
brisk pebble
*cough* trick room mon *cough*
honest umbra
I can figure out setup as in a mon who can sweep off of a setup and sets it up
but the brokens bit just fucking loses me
because that could mean basically anything
brisk pebble
Personally i doubt i will ever use Trick Room in singles, it's too slow for me
That said, i only use Trick Room teams for my doubles
honest umbra
It's a gimmick
that's normal
I just find it kinda fun even if I know it's most certainly holding me back
teal obsidian
but the brokens bit just fucking loses me
Basically big number good, stack big number for more good
teal obsidian
Use ability and movepool to make number bigger
honest umbra
but then rhydon lost eviolite and I had to shift things
unkempt pelican
Personally i doubt i will ever use Trick Room in singles, it's too slow for me
T...
agreed tbh i build trick room team for doubles otherwise if im building based teams i will use like rain drought or sand team for singles
honest umbra
generally setup sweepers dont work super well in trick room for the most obvious reasons
brisk pebble
Not if the setup sweeper themselves can re-set Trick Room
teal obsidian
Like for example if u want steel stab u can add dhelmise for steelworker and get double the steel stab
honest umbra
anyways 4th move
quiet salmon
Ursaluna (Rhyperior) @ Flame Orb
Ability: Guts
Fusion: Ursaring
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Brave Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Earthquake
- Facade
- Fire Punch
- Swords Dance
honest umbra
that's fun
quiet salmon
hazard control in tr is fake just use mbounce
brisk pebble
anyways 4th move
Replace Shadow Ball with a coverage move, and 4th slot maybe Roost?
teal obsidian
Tbh, dhelmise meta is prolly more of a menace than scizor meta
quiet salmon
you dont have momentum to use defog
teal obsidian
you dont have momentum to use defog
Facts tbh
brisk pebble
Alternatively, u could replace Defog with Trick Room
quiet salmon
Steetu (Steelix) @ Leftovers
Ability: Magic Bounce
Fusion: Xatu
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Iron Head
- Roost
- Trick Room
- U-turn
oops other fusion is bulkier
teal obsidian
Tbh, dhelmise meta is prolly more of a menace than scizor meta
U dont even lose strong bp on dhelmise meta cuz technician gives the same boost as steelworker
quiet salmon
Xapex (Xatu) @ Leftovers
Ability: Magic Bounce
Fusion: Toxapex
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Scald
- Roost
- Trick Room
- U-turn
honest umbra
U dont even lose strong bp on dhelmise meta cuz technician gives the same boost ...
I could probably afford to replace my bug type
was my dark type coverage before I puzzled out that it wasnt nearly good enough for the job
quiet salmon
why would you choose bug over fighting/fairy
honest umbra
I liked scizor
unkempt pelican
laters ima head off
teal obsidian
why would you choose bug over fighting/fairy
Makes sense with steel for defensive utility
honest umbra
that too
but the fire weakness being shared with jirachi is a nightmare
two 4x weak mons to the same thing has really hurt
might look at poison or something
teal obsidian
Specially cuz ur damage cant switch into fire
honest umbra
yeah
brisk pebble
U dont even lose strong bp on dhelmise meta cuz technician gives the same boost ...
Technician only boosts weak moves by 50%, the max being a 60 BP move being boosted to 90 BP
Steelworker only boosts steel moves by 50%, but when that steel move is Gyro Ball with a BP of 100-150 against fast mons, it's a deadly boost
teal obsidian
Technician only boosts weak moves by 50%, the max being a 60 BP move being boost...
Precisely
honest umbra
I was aware of dhelmise
duplicate typings bothered me
and because grass is a far worse stab for what was its purpose
teal obsidian
Dont think meta gets gyro tho, so youd have to get that from somewhere
brisk pebble
and because grass is a far worse stab for what was its purpose
Strangely enough, there's alot of ground and water types in the meta, Grass type attacks have served me well so far
brisk pebble
It helps that all Gliscor fusions especially are neutral to it
brisk pebble
what was its purpose
Lost context, what purpose?
honest umbra
dark type coverage
teal obsidian
It helps that all Gliscor fusions especially are neutral to it
Snorcore isnt
honest umbra
before I had my fairy that was my solution to dark types
was it the best choice?
fuck no
brisk pebble
yeah, i don't understand the context/conversation anymore, so i'll bow out
teal obsidian
Ur planning to trap darks anyway, no?
If ur investing in a trapper, u gotta take advantage of what it does
honest umbra
sorry what trapper
teal obsidian
Pinch
brisk pebble
It's not a trapper though unless they're playing AG?
honest umbra
lmao
brisk pebble
Shadow Tag and Arena Trap are both banned in OU
honest umbra
I didnt consider that but that checks out
I chose pinch for sheer power access and ground type
to replace rhydon
because shit got nerfed
teal obsidian
O, I didnt consider non-trap pinch
So I just trusted that trapping must be allowed if a pinch is used
honest umbra
nah it was just eviolite access and sheer power
I was pretty pissed about it I think
but pinch worked better than I'd guessed so it's whatever
also giving me a more accurate rock move was pleasant
honest umbra
it's UU
teal obsidian
Bisharp isnt an NFE in gen 7, only in gen 9
brisk pebble
Damn... Entei losing ESpeed from the recent patch hurts me so much...
snow pike
Grass/Rock seems better than it sounds
compact pebble
What's this?
quiet salmon
i dont get what is going on w the second part
fwg mon should be special physical just runs into intim and coverage problems if dd
snow pike
I did that mainly because speed problems
snow pike
But seeing it doesn't have Flare Blitz anymore it's not worth using anyways
For physical i mean
quiet salmon
scarf doesnt make sense on webs
idk whats going on with latios ferrothorn and why its on a web team
snow pike
how are you having speed problems
Team was struggling with setting them up lol
quiet salmon
how
Ability: Mold Breaker
Fusion: Galvantula
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Sticky Web
- Stealth Rock
- Knock Off
- Thunder Wave```Mold breaker for magic bounce?
quiet salmon
yes
quiet salmon
use orb plot
specs just means you give them a turn if they predict and ur ho so you cant do that
brisk pebble
Anyone wanna review my team? (why ded chat <:Despair:850468339955924993>)
- I can understand what the kit can do, but any attack from this mon won't scratch any major threats. Your only moves that take advantage of Prankster are Sticky Web and Encore. I recommend to replace Moonblast with another support move, like Light Screen... or Spore? Since when does this combination get spore?. Also maybe consider reversing the fusion for better typing (Bug/Fairy), and switch Volt Switch to U-turn so that u don't get walled by ground types
- Trash. It's slow and frail, it'll die, moving on
- Oh hey, i tried this build before. Fast and deals decent damage, but nothing else. I'd recommend switching one of the moves with Volt Switch so u can get some damage while switching out to a pivot
shadow lion
1. I can understand what the kit can do, but any attack from this mon won't scra...
What should i do to the 2nd pokemon?
abanadon it?
brisk pebble
Yes
brisk pebble
If you really want to use Rampardos for it's monstrous attack, give it priority, cuz its speed is dog shit
Like Breloom Technician Mach Punches
brisk pebble
Well given Breloom only has access to Mach Punch, maybe not it
shadow lion
Well given Breloom only has access to Mach Punch, maybe not it
Wuh?
Poison Heal?
Welp thats a nice thing to know
(Breloom gets poison heal)
brisk pebble
tbh idk, Rampardos has so many issues, trying to fix it with another mon feels more like Rampardos is dragging that mon down
shadow lion
tbh idk, Rampardos has so many issues, trying to fix it with another mon feels m...
Then...
snow pike
lycanroc+rampardos is good in sand
warm marsh
Anyone wanna review my team? (why ded chat <:Despair:850468339955924993>)
Hmm, you could adjust the frailty problem by replacing the Machamp with an Eviolite Doublade
I don't know if it'd fix the issue, but
BUT
Doublade does get Shadow Sneak!
and you could also use a fighting move from Rampardos for those tricky normal types
although that said I don't know if that fusion gets Dynamic Punch
quiet salmon
why are you even using machamp
warm marsh
Presumably for No Guard Dynamic Punch
quiet salmon
gimmick shit
dreamy lion
It’s cool to have an ability that gets less used moves some love. Who else can run iron tail and dynamic punch effectively. Only Machamp and Doublade I think
modern bear
random format when?
dreamy lion
I’ve posted more than enough sets
snow pike
It’s cool to have an ability that gets less used moves some love. Who else can r...
Midnight Lycanroc too
slim mesa
Hey, what have people been doing with No Guard? Is it good?
quiet salmon
no
gilded crown
Hey, what have people been doing with No Guard? Is it good?
Once I fought a doublade/mew with zap cannon and dynamic punch
slim mesa
Once I fought a doublade/mew with zap cannon and dynamic punch
How was it?
gilded crown
Honestly less troublesome than I expected, and weaker defensively too once eviolite was removed
slim mesa
Of course
gilded crown
But that was a while ago so I might not be remembering correctly
slim mesa
Okay
slim mesa
Dropping my stuff from my idea box if somebody just wants some "inspiration"...
Would like feedback
slim mesa
i dont see any use in bisharp galv
Sticky Web Lead
quiet salmon
theres much better web leads out there
slim mesa
what is thief vest gar
Bulcky Special Attacker, Thief is a bonus
slim mesa
theres much better web leads out there
For example?
quiet salmon
pinsir galv
slim mesa
...what does pinsir do...?
quiet salmon
give mold breaker and rocks
slim mesa
That's pathetic
quiet salmon
metamence with stab being mono bullet punch off ddance is depressing
quiet salmon
That's pathetic
wym
slim mesa
There's not really something he adds
slim mesa
wow...so much
slim mesa
blastcor is unintelligible
How?
quiet salmon
suigela is outclassed by suigrowth bc of how useful regen is in sponging koff
slim mesa
Ehh, side grade
quiet salmon
blastcor has like 0 atk and ur using mono aqua jet with sd
slim mesa
Yeah?
quiet salmon
so it doesnt do anything
slim mesa
It does
quiet salmon
does what
slim mesa
Spin, live, pressures with dance
quiet salmon
pressure my ass its barely doing anything even at +4
slim mesa
Can I get feedback from a person with some intellect?
quiet salmon
there might be some intellect difference
slim mesa
Not really
slim mesa
Eh, would be boring
kindred bloom
Just play the damn game against eachother
THATS what's pathetic
Talk is useless, just shut up and prove your point
Otherwise shut the hell up
quiet salmon
this channel is made for discussion
quiet salmon
ive been posting actual arguments
slim mesa
I feel like if been arguing with the Navy Seals Copypasta
kindred bloom
If he can prove his strat, against you in an actual match then it's all cool, but if he doesn't, you win the argument
quiet salmon
"rate my mons except dont say anything bad about them because i know theyre good and i will simply say nuh uh to any criticism you make"
kindred bloom
Talking about it gets both of you nowhere with no better understanding
quiet salmon
idt thats true
1 battle is not really saying much about a meta
its 2am rn though so im going to sleep now
kindred bloom
He's got a weird build that doesn't seem to make sense he says it works, prove him wrong or both of your word means nothing
slim mesa
If he can prove his strat, against you in an actual match then it's all cool, bu...
My man, I stated it was an idea box
kindred bloom
I know, but you both ended up stating one strat had no value comparatively
slim mesa
"rate my mons except dont say anything bad about them because i know theyre good...
I'm okay with criticism, you just said "nah, my idea is better"
muted oar
Being uncivil is bad
kindred bloom
I'm just here to play with my favorite badass mons and try to make it work
muted oar
Just talk like an adult and don't insult them
slim mesa
Yeah, fair
muted oar
blastcor has like 0 atk and ur using mono aqua jet with sd
As in blastoise and Gliscor with Blastoise as the head?
kindred bloom
I'm saying:
both people have an argument... There's a perfect way to settle it, not through conversation
muted oar
there might be some intellect difference
Bro 66-2???? What's your team??? I don't play AG but that's wild
muted oar
Dropping my stuff from my idea box if somebody just wants some "inspiration"...
...
Mew gets spore???
muted oar
wow...so much
Yes, bypassing magic bounce is a big deal. If your lead who's purpose is to yet out web, and a specific ability completely invalidates that lead, then bypassing that strategy is a big deal
kindred bloom
Not to mention most of are casuals
muted oar
metamence with stab being mono bullet punch off ddance is depressing
Yes. Bro dd+a mono stab bullet punch hits like a wet noodle
teal obsidian
there might be some intellect difference
so I heard were flexing our stats
sullen eagle
what are good fusions with Clefable for OU
muted oar
If bullet punch hits that hard, it's gonna be with technician, without technician you need to at least run SD instead of DD
muted oar
<@758928198141476884> there are only 58 users...
That's depressing
muted oar
66 wins is not impressive 😅
66-2 is very impressive regardless
clever abyss
what are good fusions with Clefable for OU
Do you have any specific ideas for what you want Clefable to do?
sullen eagle
Do you have any specific ideas for what you want Clefable to do?
I'm trying to run Unaware to shut down setup but i'm not sure what goes well with that
lapis oriole
When all else fails, fuse it an OU staple 
slim mesa
Yes, bypassing magic bounce is a big deal. If your lead who's purpose is to yet ...
Kinda why I use Volt Switch and Sucker, I get it's a problem, but it's not too common (yet)
slim mesa
I'm trying to run Unaware to shut down setup but i'm not sure what goes well wit...
I personally run it with Latias and try to Counter set-up
sullen eagle
cool thanks
muted oar
Kinda why I use Volt Switch and Sucker, I get it's a problem, but it's not too c...
But then your lead isn't really functioning as a lead ans you have to wait to have sticky web's effects
slim mesa
Yeah
I'm still avoiding other stuff by being a dark with Inner Focus (which came in a good amount)
buoyant cove
question does grondons red orb activate like it usually does?
muted oar
No
muted oar
Not that I'm aware
slim mesa
Hey, has somebody looked into building teams with terrain or is it just too slow?
jaunty geode
Hey, has somebody looked into building teams with terrain or is it just too slow...
nat dex or gen 7 if
slim mesa
Nat dex it probably work because we have abilitys for it, so gen 7
jaunty geode
yeah nat dex it would work fine enough but in gen 7 not relay like at all
slim mesa
Alright
brisk creek
only in natdex, and it could counter all those espeed users lol
well, maybe a good defensive mon ?
brisk creek
imagine a sylveon dragonite using espeed, you switch on this with the resistance, and then you got immune because you get pixilate
and boom, nothing to block a spin if needed to
brisk creek
yeah, that's the problem
at least, with the tests i've done, sylveon/noivern can struggle against this if it's specs
so if it can be good against both, it can be really good
jaunty geode
do you want a check to those two or do want a defisve rapid spinner
brisk creek
spin can be done with another mon
i replaced it by pain split, this thing don't have other heal options
jaunty geode
i would say change it toxiepex fustion so get recover and better stats all around and are a better check to your probelm pokempon
brisk creek
i would say change it toxiepex fustion so get recover and better stats all aroun...
yeah, toxapex is better like this
buoyant cove
does anyone wanna do double battles
elder leaf
Anyone know how good Shell Smash + Disguise is? I’m thinking of using it but before I commit to building a team I thought I’d ask around.
I know it’s strong in base-game but how good does that translate to comp?
red spear
it translates to illegal in 2 ways in the OU formats, so you'd have to use it in AG
in AG it's either really great or not good enough, depending on how abusive of AG the people you fight are lol
slim mesa
https://pokepast.es/c3c2a17d4793f633
Why is Scizor not fused with anything? You could give it an additional priority move or just higher attack?
Gliscor without Poison heal...isn't great...and it may be confused what it wants to do
Ferrorthorn just wants to be fused with something that gives it more survivabilty or utility I assume (I've not tried it yet)
Kingdra would love to be a Water, because Surf could be the highest damage without a downside (when in rain)
I'd give Politoad (personally) Roost, because you really don't want it to die
As reference here is my rain team: https://pokepast.es/bbb3befd1c7483f2
muted oar
imagine a sylveon dragonite using espeed, you switch on this with the resistance...
Doesn't it have to make contact to take the ability of them
brisk creek
Doesn't it have to make contact to take the ability of them
yeah but most dragonite sets use only contact except equake
dragonite/sylveon i mean
slim mesa
So, I attempted to make a sun team..:
https://pokepast.es/d24a3215743c1de1
muted oar
yeah but most dragonite sets use only contact except equake
So what about any other iteration of pixilate? Namely the most common with is Sylvern
brisk creek
it can switch in well, i tested with a tentacruel/toxapex with less spdef before and it worked well
muted oar
So, I attempted to make a sun team..:
https://pokepast.es/d24a3215743c1de1
Why are you fusing eruption with a pokemon with 77 SpA?
muted oar
So, I attempted to make a sun team..:
https://pokepast.es/d24a3215743c1de1
I THOUGHT YOU WERE A FERALIGATR HATER???? WHAT HAPPENED?????
bronze kestrel
I don’t understand how the Mew/Celebi/Jirachi triple fusion is above everything if it’s not allowed for use
slim mesa
Why are you fusing eruption with a pokemon with 77 SpA?
Fastest Chlorophyll
brisk creek
I don’t understand how the Mew/Celebi/Jirachi triple fusion is above everything ...
but it's usable ? what tier is it not allowed ?
slim mesa
I THOUGHT YOU WERE A FERALIGATR HATER???? WHAT HAPPENED?????
Uhh, I needed more attack...
muted oar
Uhh, I needed more attack...
You placed feraligatr in the worst tier lol
muted oar
Fastest Chlorophyll
Bro, you're already doubling your speed you do not need that much speed you need to not hit like a wet noodle
slim mesa
You placed feraligatr in the worst tier lol
It's flawed, so I fixed it :)
slim mesa
Bro, you're already doubling your speed you do not need that much speed you need...
I'm in sun...with stab eruption...and specs...
And who knows? I may not end up in sun
brisk creek
how can this fusion be played ? i assume moxie is the best ability for it, but i'm not sure of a good moveset
jaunty geode
Eq ice shard knock off ice crash
slim mesa
Bad guess on my part but:
Earthquake, Ice Punch, Fake Out, Superpower?
slim mesa
Eq ice shard knock off ice crash
Knock off is a good one
brisk creek
surprised it doesn't learn icicle crash
slim mesa
Huh...
brisk creek
but yeah knock is a nice option
onyx stag
Scarf instead of life orb?
onyx stag
Taunt would be good also
brisk creek
i've made that for now, wip : https://pokepast.es/1d11de40e288733c
muted oar
I'm in sun...with stab eruption...and specs...
In other words you're getting your attacking stat multiplied by 1.5 instead of 2.0, and the fusions have a much lower amount.
Also, you are not rewarded for having a much higher margin of speed than your opponent, any amount will do. You already outspeed everything
slim mesa
I have speed anxiety, okay? 
brisk creek
I have speed anxiety, okay? <:Despair:850468339955924993>
^ me when i played unburden+geomancy celebi/drifblim before the ban
slim mesa
In other words you're getting your attacking stat multiplied by 1.5 instead of 2...
If I ever miss a kill with it, I'll think of you
jaunty geode
surprised it doesn't learn icicle crash
It doesn’t? Weird
brisk creek
It doesn’t? Weird
i think weavile learns it in gen 8 and this game has gen 7 learnset idk
onyx stag
wanted to play a sand team, but there's no excadrill in gen 7 OU, feelsbad
guess i'll play sandslash for the memes
slim mesa
Thousand Arrows baby
onyx stag
is there any way to know which fusions have Fusion moves?
slim mesa
Besides the wiki, no
(https://infinitefusion.fandom.com/wiki/Move_Expert_Move_Lists?so=search)
onyx stag
ty ❤️
muted oar
If I ever miss a kill with it, I'll think of you
What happens when you need to use literally move other other than eruption? What happens when you have a resist switch in and need the 2HKO and miss that? But you've got like....90 SpA
jaunty geode
i think weavile learns it in gen 8 and this game has gen 7 learnset idk
Probably
lofty scroll
ooh first tourney announced. Luckily still some time for the meta to develop
slim mesa
Yeah, I am honestly happy it's the format I looking into 
muted oar
HES SO CUTE
What a nice young man
98/110 is pretty good
I don't think 700 speed is necessary tho
This guy is the move though. 85 speed doubled since outspeeds everything, 119 spA is COOKING, and I mean in the times where you can't use Eruption, it's amazing to have STAB Solar Beam that can light people up too
quaint wave
slim mesa
This guy is the move though. 85 speed doubled since outspeeds everything, 119 sp...
Urgh...fine 
Thanks
timber kiln
https://pokepast.es/734856f7badc755b rate my team
hoary plume
https://pokepast.es/d27b07548cb542c3 Any thoughts? Kind of love Hycruel as a spinner (spikes immune, prankster immune)
slim mesa
https://pokepast.es/d27b07548cb542c3 Any thoughts? Kind of love Hycruel as a spi...
Looks okay, just a little low power I think?
Maybe I'm just missing the bigger picture
compact pebble
Extremely interesting to see this meta develop
slim mesa
Rate my team
https://pokepast.es/827bd76055bc6bdf
compact pebble
Rate my team
https://pokepast.es/827bd76055bc6bdf
Gliscor moment
lofty scroll
mhmm, I also love when people have a gimmick and they stick to it. Got destroyed by a team with like 4 Breeloom fusions. I had been on a great win streak before that and even beat the 2nd rank on the ladder lol.
compact pebble
https://tenor.com/view/taunt-gliscor-smogon-gif-27493342
nobody carrying an ice type move no more smh
people didnt learn their lesson with landorus
slim mesa
I could honestly imagine winning with that team
compact pebble
I could honestly imagine winning with that team
Combine landorus and gliscor
Do crimes
slim mesa
Eh, playing regional dex, so no Landorus
compact pebble
ohh ok
slim mesa
But sounds funny
compact pebble
im glad breloom is getting more usage again
Breloom and exeggutor were my two big dudes when I played heartgold as a kid
Oh and rhyperior
mfw magneton somehow got me through blaze black 2 champion iris
lofty scroll
Rate my team
https://pokepast.es/827bd76055bc6bdf
If it weren't for my weird coverage moves this could have been bad lol. I assume that was you who I played or someone else decided to run this team
lofty scroll
Oh 100%
lofty scroll
It's a custom server I believe.
compact pebble
oh dam how do I join it
sage lodge
lofty scroll
Totally forgot to check showdown channels in Channels & Roles so thought this was sorta showdown general lol. It was one of the only ones shown in my suggested channel lists
hoary plume
Looks okay, just a little low power I think?
Maybe I'm just missing the bigger p...
I suppose so? I'm not sure which mons I could make more powerful though lol
brisk pebble
Showdown and PIF's showdown technically uses the same server, since your accounts are the same on both
outer steeple
Just made a whole team around setting up belly drum unburden, but just found out belly drums banned 😦
honest umbra
rip
any gliscor fusion counters because it's honestly beginning to piss me off
like I total personal fuck you to the common variants
timber kiln
Something
muted oar
Have to imagine there are better options than Jynx
honest umbra
I imagine it was something really fast
but jynx is a special attacker
which gliscor is weaker to
so there's a decent amount of thought
gives me somewhere to start from at least
muted oar
Actually jynx isn't awful looking at its stats
honest umbra
it also fits in the head
which kyurem doesnt so
no yeah that makes total sense
has access to energy ball too
brisk pebble
Actually jynx isn't awful looking at its stats
It ice punches Onyx to death just fine
honest umbra
ice beam
honest umbra
idk but it's funny
timber kiln
water ground
does jynx learn freeze dry?
honest umbra
no
timber kiln
Well then, anything w freeze dry could beat most gliscor fusions tho
honest umbra
does learn energy ball so it doesnt matter
brisk pebble
Who was talking about Onyx???
It's a reference
brisk pebble
no
honest umbra
ok
behold
waiting for them to ban toxic heal and regenerator
so much of the meta is built around it
honest umbra
Regen is kinda okay, but it can make stall mons feel unbreakable
like a steel/tangrowth & ground/toxapex is just fucked
like it's beatable
particularly by sun abusers
but it's so fucking ass
anyway that's most of my case
honest umbra
I posted it as a joke tbh
I hate the over centralization around toxapex and gliscor rn tbh
like look for one decent team w/o them
timber kiln
Hmm... it's fine i guess, might give it a go
No hdb in gen 7 moment
brisk pebble
No hdb in gen 7 moment
hdb?
timber kiln
Heavy duty boots
honest umbra
random battle I just clicked on
both teams have gliscor, one has toxapex
please ban
Im on my knees
brisk pebble
im seeing so many random gliscor fusions
Gliscor is rather flexible, all it needs is poison heal and the other Pokemon to cover it in either typing, stats, or utility
unkempt pelican
yeah
timber kiln
random battle I just clicked on
Coughing baby
unkempt pelican
atm i think meta is hydreigon and spam quiver dance with sub
honest umbra
toxapex is more rigid but its stats and ability are just too fucked up in conjunction
like I fused dusclops and toxapex and good fucking luck killing that bitch w/o knock off
quiet salmon
random battle I just clicked on
two guys using meta staples. im soyegging im soyfacing im soyjaking im shitting they need to be banned
honest umbra
I feel like the point of my complaint is over centralization
which is a lot of why stuff like mega ray gets banned
honest umbra
Obviously I'm not pleading my case to a mod
it's just a random battle for examples sake
quiet salmon
no matter what you ban there will be meta staples
the meta centralizes to good mons thats just how it is
honest umbra
Yes
but when you can get away with a full team of gliscor it's a bit too far
it's similar to why gholdengo and gliscor are getting checked for a ban in gen 9 OU
they over centralize too much
quiet salmon
thats a problem with the ability to fuse multiple of the same mon
is the full gliscor team even on par with good teams in the first place though
honest umbra
I forfeitted on their second mon because it was turn 50
and nothing was fucking happening
quiet salmon
you gave up early
honest umbra
no shit sherlock
I play for fun
the short of it boils down to that they have a strangle hold on the meta game
and that's exactly why things get banned
flint pebble
Thoughts?
honest umbra
my thought is that is a bitch to read on PC
fun toxapex parting shot regenerator
solid pivot mon
the talon flame mon is questionable
namely due to ground types
can see what you were going for
dunno why you're not running prankster on klefki
gonna assume that's an error
tailwind isnt that good a move
consider something else
rest is fine
haxorus/ursaring runs a risk of getting oneshot due to weak bulk and insufficient speed
wait is this shit a fucking doubles team
honest umbra
why do you have follow me
flint pebble
Ah yeah mb for the screenshot
honest umbra
your moveset on krookodile is fine just go more into bulk, you aint outspeeding shit with that
if it's doubles
I have no fucking idea
if it isnt
consider using somthing other than clefable/porygon, not strong enough tbh
brisk pebble
So it's doubles?
brisk pebble
????
flint pebble
Well my thought process is for double battle each mon need a pair to go out with and i create the mon in that order so like tox with talon and so on
I enjoy double more than single its a lot faster
honest umbra
true
flint pebble
Thats why i ran tailwind and follow me
honest umbra
I cant give many thoughts about that
though considering doubles
haxorus is really good in that case with tailwind help
flint pebble
Does the playerbase more on doubles or singles cause i dont wanna queue for a long time?
flint pebble
Ah in that case screw that team then lmao
unkempt pelican
one of the mons ive made are becoming meta and alot of people are using it randomly
flint pebble
Aight imma cook on singles
honest umbra
have fun
extreme speed pixilate is goated
adaptability espeed is good
gliscor and toxapex are meta
honest umbra
go
flint pebble
Aight thanks a lot
brisk pebble
Well my thought process is for double battle each mon need a pair to go out with...
- In a double battle, you'll find stall less useful than not, and your tox is pretty useless as the opponent can just double up on your other mon
- It's a good singles mon, but i do not know how well it'll work in doubles
- Stealth rock and whirlwind isn't good in doubles, Klefki has other more amazing tools like Thunderwave, Defog, Light screen, and especially Taunt for stopping Trick Room teams
- Tbh, i think it's too frail and slow in a doubles format, but if u can setup a single DDance then maybe? Idk
- Good
- Intimidate is nice, not sure how effective is the overall build though
Also, none of them have protect
unkempt pelican
protect is super important in doubles
brisk pebble
As for singles, your 1st 4 mons are good
Clefable/P2 needs a new kit
I still have no idea what your last mon meant to accomplish
honest umbra
toxapex is amazing in singles
unkempt pelican
how do i send a link of my team?
honest umbra
that parting shot is an amazing pivot
I dont think the rampardos is worth using though
unkempt pelican
this team good?
it got me to top 50
i think there is smth little missing tho
flint pebble
I mean this is pokemon showdown where 6 of them are gonna get used and consistent damage while tanking is usually good
honest umbra
nah
tanking can suck
Some mons are strong enough
but a good few meta picks have the most absurd hitting power
adaptability boomburst for example
flint pebble
The klefki one yeah i agree i still need to work the moveset
honest umbra
the parting shot is worth using for pivoting
brisk pebble
Once again, explain whether u're going to use your team in single or doubles, the opinions we give might differ depending
Your Tox for example is amazing in singles but trash in doubles
light lion
https://pokepast.es/4fe17cee0367050b Does this team look good?
quiet salmon
why does it have bug buzz
theres zero reason to run draco meteor because it hits nothing that boomburst doesnt hit
clefable not having recovery is egregious
void willow
theres zero reason to run draco meteor because it hits nothing that boomburst do...
every move except Draco Meteor gets walled by Poison types, and it has STAB anyway so I think it's fine to keep it there
void willow
Fire has no STAB so it barely scratches though
quiet salmon
id probably go boomburst flamethrower switcheroo uturn
honest umbra
bored, haxorus is a beefy attack stat and I like the mon itself so
anti setup sweeper if I dont play bad
and gets set up
considering drain punch over jump kick
other than prankster roar/whirlwind and other red cards it holds up decently
theoretically at least that's why I'm here
espeed but no ghost types, and fighting for steel and rocks, plus an extra priority and a personal attack on gliscor
compact pebble
can anyone help me picking a special sweeper for my mono gorund team?
honest umbra
do you have a list of team slots
ignoring the fact that ground is a very no good type for special sweeping
like the best "special" sweeper w/o fusions available is garchomp
quiet salmon
espeed but no ghost types, and fighting for steel and rocks, plus an extra prior...
wheres the steel flying coverage
main rapids
can anyone help me picking a special sweeper for my mono gorund team?
nidoking latios
honest umbra
little bit of a weak type but it was good fun to make
main rapids
life orb sub dragon breath earthpower energyball/icebeam/flamethrower
main rapids
life orb sub dragon breath earthpower energyball/icebeam/flamethrower
insane coverage and more offensive power than land incarnate which is ubers
just slightly slower :^)
compact pebble
insane coverage and more offensive power than land incarnate which is ubers
wow thanks a lot!!
main rapids
ends up at 78 power
quiet salmon
78
quiet salmon
why would you ever use that
main rapids
cos you lose 2 power in exchange for not getting hit by life orb recoil while using Ur stab move
I mean you would replace it with more coverage
quiet salmon
more like you lose 52 bp
main rapids
boltbeam +earthpower
quiet salmon
use gengar its the same offenses but actual good second stab
compact pebble
are you guys talking about sceptile nidoking right?
honest umbra
no
compact pebble
ok lol
honest umbra
nidoking latios
this I believe is what they're on about
I'm sleep deprived and put the wrong set up move on that thing
ddance is physical while you asked special
main rapids
honest umbra
rough fix, hits hard enough post setup and is fast enough after redcard
defensively good enough I think
main rapids
I mean sure u get shadowball which hits most things for neutral
quiet salmon
88 spa aint no way
compact pebble
something like this?
main rapids
Ur losing out on 13 hp ,7 def and 23 spec def
solid 43 lower bst
(ignoring attack for obvious reasons)
honest umbra
didn't they ask for a ground type
compact pebble
oh damn
honest umbra
am I hallucinating
compact pebble
yes i need it to be ground
quiet salmon
it's calm mind with max investment
cm is too slow a setup for unburden
honest umbra
the point of it is to literally eat one singular hit, set up and potentially sweep
quiet salmon
solid 43 lower bst
bulk for better offensive type is a good trade
honest umbra
they asked for a special ground sweeper
quiet salmon
and 88 spa at +1 is not gonna do that
main rapids
something like this?
swap sides
honest umbra
which is hard when the best SPA available IS FUCKING 100 ON GROUND TYPES
compact pebble
i would have a bit of overlap with my goodra quagsire tho
quiet salmon
ur also 0 spe which means you get outsped by scarfers
which is depressing when part of the appeal of unburden is to not get outsped by scarfers
compact pebble
wait i will show what i have so far
honest umbra
I know that you're right
but can you maybe sugar coat slightly because you come off needlessly condescending
compact pebble
compact pebble
this is what i have so far, need the last 2 members
quiet salmon
you need ice neutrals
honest umbra
also water neutrals
quiet salmon
theres a water absorber
compact pebble
i have water absorb
honest umbra
dragon type gets bodied by fairies
main rapids
thick club is banned ;(
honest umbra
which are super common as of now
compact pebble
is it? 😮
quiet salmon
what is pain split gliscor
compact pebble
damn
quiet salmon
it has both recover and roost
main rapids
marowak fusions r no longer good
quiet salmon
surely theres a better ghost than sableye
honest umbra
yeah go for roost or recover
quiet salmon
ur not using prankster whats the point
main rapids
add a sand stream sweeper
honest umbra
bit rude but he's right
main rapids
like sd set
compact pebble
i can change all of the team lol, i am not good at building
i am open to anything
main rapids
honest umbra
physical sweeper?
compact pebble
to swap out tyranitar?
quiet salmon
with sd sand rush that seems to be the case
honest umbra
I'm going insane
main rapids
krook uniquely gets intim and parting shot which makes it feel better as a defensive pivot
honest umbra
are there any abilities that buff special moves
quiet salmon
no
compact pebble
ok so for now:
Lycanchomp (physical sweeper)
Krookomory (defensive pivot)
Goosire
_x
_x
-x
quiet salmon
idk why you need a special ground but if you want one so bad just use nidoking gengar or something
main rapids
you need a water absorb mon
compact pebble
idk why you need a special ground but if you want one so bad just use nidoking g...
I don't know, they just told me I needed it in a team
honest umbra
who is they
quiet salmon
spd water ground pivot works
main rapids
cos ur goanna have a ttar fusion on the team
compact pebble
goodra quagsire is ok?
compact pebble
ok i keep it
honest umbra
fear fairy and ice though
you could run a thick fat mon like mamoswine with a water or something to resist ice types
because coverage in that end will probably hurt you
compact pebble
ok, goosire is not enough?
honest umbra
that's for ice types
goosire is quad weak to ice
dragon and ground is weak to ice type
unless I'm being tired
compact pebble
oh sure, mamo for ice types
quiet salmon
Ability: Sheer Force
Fusion: Nidoking
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Dark Pulse
- Earth Power
- Flamethrower / Flash Cannon
- Nasty Plot / Roost / Flash Cannon```oops sf
compact pebble
ok so for now:
Lycanchomp (physical sweeper)
Krookomory (defensive pivot)
Goosire (water types)
Hyking (special sweeper)
Something/Mamoswine (ice types)
Tyranpahn (Hazard removal)
compact pebble
and what's the role? just to understand