showdown-teambuilding

[slim mesa]

Don't judge me

[past ore]

Probably gonna replace shadow ball with it

[shadow lion]

COME ON 3%????

I FIRE PUNCHED AND IT DIDNT KILL

[acoustic jacinth]

tangrowth is extremely physically bulky

i think it has 130 base defense?

[robust rapids]

100hp and 125 def

[shadow lion]

LOL

[broken wyvern]

trying to figure out the last move for this absol set

[shadow lion]

I FORGOT IM WEARING ASSAULT VEST, AND I CANT USE ANY OF MY MOVES EXCEPT HEX

[slim mesa]

Air Cutter for higher flinch? Not sure
Does Togekiss not get Moon Blast?

[acoustic jacinth]

this showcase has vastly boosted my team building skills.

[broken wyvern]

some how NO. it does not

[slim mesa]

Glad to hear

[glad vector]

Run lefties

[slim mesa]

Pokemon confuses me

[shadow lion]

i will after this battle

IF I WIN WITH TIMEOUT

[glad vector]

What being normal/flying before gen 6 does do a mons moveset

[chrome adder]

I won one time because my opponent wifi was having issues and kept disconnecting

[robust rapids]

say that to clefable

[slim mesa]

MOON BLAST IS GEN 6 THOUGH

[broken wyvern]

i said the same fucking thing when i found out that zapdos cannot use air slash

[robust rapids]

screw airslash, it doesnt get hurricane 😦

[chrome adder]

weird

[broken wyvern]

you're stuck with HP flying or air cutter and thats just plain BS

[sage lodge]

https://pokepast.es/9fcf9c970aeb58cb

is this a good team

[shadow lion]

Need some help building this pokemon

Need to replace a move with moonblast\

[broken wyvern]

aerodacytl cannot use brave brid and it makes me feel pain everytime know ing that fact

[hexed girder]

Wait really? The other 2 can though

[robust rapids]

maybe nasty plot roost t-bolt dazzling gleam

[slim mesa]

Doesn't Ampharos get Tail Glow?

[shadow lion]

replace nasty plot with tail glow

[robust rapids]

forgot ampharos got that

[glad vector]

Clefable moment

That things movepool is huge

[sage lodge]

Is this a good team?

[robust rapids]

I would make your gliscor more defensive and give it u-turn

[robust rapids]

you have a lot of offense but no way to bring it in without something dying

[sage lodge]

So what do I do?

[robust rapids]

give it hp and def EVs, replace facade with u-turn and SD with protect to activate poison heal safely

[shadow lion]

LET ME WIN

[broken wyvern]

time to make a coffin

[glad vector]

Is there a reason why clefable is fused with dusknoir

[sage lodge]

it was fused with banette originally

[robust rapids]

yeah it was a banette and figured dusknoir would just be better

[glad vector]

Why though

[sage lodge]

I liked the fusion

[robust rapids]

fairy ghost has some good synergy too

[broken wyvern]

ik that a coffin fusion can learn spirit shackle but im not to sure on what fusion it could be.

[glad vector]

You can probably drop protect from clefable

Run standard cm unaware clefable

Unless dusk drops the spatk

[robust rapids]

its still 85 spatk

[sage lodge]

huh?

[glad vector]

Calm mind, moonblast flamethrower soft boiled

[past ore]

Is water grass toxapex a good idea?

[robust rapids]

could replace flamethrower with spirit shackle and potentially get +6 and win with trapping cheese

actually mean look would be better since it affects normals

trapping moves should probably be banned but what do i know

[acoustic jacinth]

weak and kinda wack but the sprite goes hard.

[sage lodge]

ok what else then

[chrome adder]

quick question
when was diancie added?

[sage lodge]

gen 6

[robust rapids]

yeah its got a mega evo

[chrome adder]

And do megas exist in gen 7?

[robust rapids]

not in IF

[broken wyvern]

yep

[chrome adder]

Ok i got an plan

[robust rapids]

natdex includes every gimmick im pretty sure

[sage lodge]

https://pokepast.es/9fcf9c970aeb58cb

oops

[chrome adder]

howabt Terralizing?
(I swear i played Natdex OU and i didnt see a single button for terralizing)

[sage lodge]

old link

https://pokepast.es/28107140fd8db9af

what now

[robust rapids]

try it out in a battle i guess, best way to learn what your team is weak to

[past ore]

Why would they be banned

[broken wyvern]

hmm i need a bit of help of picking a defensive fusion for a Cofagrigus

[robust rapids]

because most mons that can trap either have low hp or bad recovery or cant set up, that downside is completely removed with fusions

like lapras/toxapex with block/perish song/recover/haze or scald

[past ore]

https://pokepast.es/4784ffa8f50068c0 here’s a team I shitted out my ass

Please help me fix

[glad vector]

Trapping Abilities are banned in standard smogon

[past ore]

But moves have a turn to use

[glad vector]

???? Essentially being able to switch into a mon that is going to be ohko and not being able to switch out is busted

[past ore]

Makes sense

[glad vector]

Just run some trapping pursuit mon

So ghost types get screwed

[past ore]

I might even run technican pursuit

[glad vector]

Pursuit doubles when the mon is switching doing damage

[past ore]

I know that

[glad vector]

Ghost types cant be trapped

[past ore]

That dowsnt apply to pursuit, right?

[glad vector]

Does technician still work after the double

[sage lodge]

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=totalsylv-striker212-1700358738430

hmm

[glad vector]

Since ghost types cant be trapped you can pseudo trap them with pursuit

[past ore]

No but it makes the move more reliable

[broken wyvern]

trying to find a neat little cofag fusion sets. no luck on thinking Any due to overdosing on tea.

[past ore]

Idk how to build so lemme just yoink a team and change some things

[robust rapids]

when you have manphan trapped you should just switch into something else, since he has no choice but to sit there

[sage lodge]

i dont think very often

[slim mesa]

Oddly relatable

[sage lodge]

which is probably why I suck so much at competitive

[broken wyvern]

wait on the overdosing on tea part or-

[slim mesa]

Ehhh, both

[glad vector]

Look into Cofargrigus oras sets to see what it checks

[sage lodge]

oh hey

[glad vector]

Pretty good at screwing physical attackers that rely on their abilities with mummy

[sage lodge]

we are fighting each other

[acoustic jacinth]

what are the fastest threats in the format, electrode fusions?

[robust rapids]

ninjask is faster, but bug is way worse than electric most of the time

[slim mesa]

Oof, I'm sorry already

[broken wyvern]

aight lemme see for a bit

[sage lodge]

GG

[slim mesa]

gg

[robust rapids]

I think replacing krook/flygon with a special attacker might work out better, since you have no grass moves

[sage lodge]

yeah true

plus I already have a ground dragon with glischomp

[unkempt pelican]

this is the ultimate tank then attack 💀

[unkempt pelican]

i could change it up but yk

not lucario

[slim mesa]

...poison powder.

[acoustic jacinth]

i was looking at swift swim breakpoints for a rain team, and you can get base speed pretty dang low and still outspeed with swift swim lol.

[unkempt pelican]

i didnt know what status move i should use 💀

[slim mesa]

Toxic is a strict upgrade

[acoustic jacinth]

poisonpowder is chad choice, missing with toxic is LAME

[unkempt pelican]

oh wait i forgot most mons learn toxic

[sage lodge]

what would be a good special attacker..

[acoustic jacinth]

this outspeeds +speed nature electrode, not sure if it's worth keeping rhyperior here or if i should go with a slightly faster fuse to get more evs into bulk and away from speed. never made a swift swimmer.

[slim mesa]

People swear by Sylveon + Noivern, even though it's bad
I personally love Celebi + Zoroark

[sage lodge]

i have sylnite

[slim mesa]

Fair

[sage lodge]

even tho thats physical

[robust rapids]

Kyukou (Kyurem) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Inner Focus
Fusion: Raikou
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Ice Beam
• Thunderbolt
• Hidden Power [Grass]
• Earth Power

this is one i like alot

[sage lodge]

but I really only want one of each mon

[acoustic jacinth]

4 attacks is truly a king move

i think they want ou mons though

[sage lodge]

what move do you use

[unkempt pelican]

im thinking of making a dark ghost type darkrai shedinja mainly just for setting up and baton passing, would this be a good idea?

[sage lodge]

because of choice specs

[slim mesa]

Looks lovely, what does the grass hit?

[robust rapids]

water ground types

[slim mesa]

Ah

Yeah, there are a few

[robust rapids]

considering that was what walled his team in that one battle

[lofty scroll]

Use to play around with Sand teams in OU (granted back in gen 5-6). Team I came up with just winging it. Still needs a lot of work

[robust rapids]

could replace HP/EP with calm mind and run life orb or something as well

or replace EP with volt switch

[glad vector]

Pyukuitar (Pyukumuku) @ Leftovers
Ability: Unaware
Fusion: Tyranitar
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Careful Nature

• Toxic
• Dragon Tail
• Pursuit
• Recover

[broken wyvern]

would it be better to have Cofagrigus be steel type fusion?

[glad vector]

really like this pyuktar set

[unkempt pelican]

Blissey @ Leftovers
Ability: Stance Change
Hidden Power: Steel
Fusion: Aegislash
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe

• Rest
• Toxic
• Light Screen
• Reflect

wait lemme fix attack evs (trick room team)

[slim mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-squirtle-taunt-gif-17959902

[unkempt pelican]

the ultimate tank

hmm i should teach it protect

pick a slow combo that hits very hard

that will go well on a trick room team

[sage lodge]

@glad vector are you there?

this is awkward

[glad vector]

yeah im back

[dreamy lion]

Cool Team

[lofty scroll]

Thanks, love your King and Queen

[broken wyvern]

mmm not sure with this coffin yet...

bah ill try later my brain is still recovering from tea overdose

now if yall excuse me im passing out for a bit.

[sage lodge]

omg

I did not expect to win that lol

gg tho

[glad vector]

forgor pixilate

and misclicked stone edge early on

was trying to get rocks up

[sage lodge]

I only really won thx to earthquake

[glad vector]

all I will say is to try and make predictions a little more often

[sage lodge]

I suck at predictions

But yeah

from my experience so far, protect seems to be used a lot

[unkempt pelican]

what are you aiming for with the coffin?

[muted oar]

simple celebi is pretty crazy

[slim mesa]

It looked pretty underwhelming tbh

[muted oar]

strange that they ban shell smash but not geomancy

I mean on one turn you get +4 attack stats and speed

[glad vector]

who has geo besides xerneas?

[robust rapids]

that guy really just stayed in and kept bullet punching

[slim mesa]

Exactly my point

[muted oar]

Lol

[robust rapids]

its strong in the right situation, but gets counted by priority/haze/unaware

[slim mesa]

Every set-up sweeper ever

[robust rapids]

atleast if you fuse celebi with a dark type, then you can't get prankster hazed

[slim mesa]

That's why I fused my Celebi with Zoroark

[muted oar]

well yeah, but some set up sweepers are still overwhelming despite "unaware/priority/haze" existing of course

[lofty scroll]

Just gotta watch out for the rare Pokemon with a bug move.

[muted oar]

I peaked at like 1290

I'm trash

[sage lodge]

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=harror-totalsylv-1700361878725

why did this dude think he could do the same set up lol

[unkempt pelican]

i just versed someone with every single tripple fusion

does anyone else do dub battles?

[slim mesa]

Oh hell no

[unkempt pelican]

yall do single battles?

Blislash (Blissey) @ Leftovers
Ability: Stance Change
Hidden Power: Steel
Fusion: Aegislash
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe

• Rest
• Toxic
• Light Screen
• King's Shield

this is my sweeper fr

[slim mesa]

But what does it do?

[unkempt pelican]

i got rid of light scren for drain punch rn

[unkempt pelican]

poison then stall

drain punch for steel types that body it

[slim mesa]

I'll be off for the day, if someone cooks up something spicy while I'm gone please tell me, I'm very much into this competitive mess (Regional OU to be specific)

[dreamy lion]

Clefable/Toxapex, how to deal

[slim mesa]

Set up

[dreamy lion]

Unaware

[slim mesa]

Commit.

[broken wyvern]

mainly defensive and status wall with mummy

and recovery

[sage lodge]

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=littlemxdoom-totalsylv-1700364165350

what were they cooking

[unkempt pelican]

i ran it with metagross but mines more trick room set up status then hex

i can show it if you want

[broken wyvern]

show me da goods

[unkempt pelican]

Metagrigus (Metagross) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Mummy
Fusion: Cofagrigus
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe

• Trick Room
• Will-O-Wisp
• Hex
• Toxic Spikes

focus sash cause it still gets really hurt easily

[honest umbra]

what're yalls best swift swimmers

[unkempt pelican]

has anyone gone up against the wynaut teams

cause im kinda in a infinite loop

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=itiselementary-thelunaticphantom-1700366851415

this hurt me

[brisk pebble]

Maybe something like this?

[honest umbra]

fire

and it's a physical attack

[brisk pebble]

U can switch Choice Band for something else if u want to use Swords Dance

[honest umbra]

gimme a second I have a set for special that's decent

[brisk pebble]

But u want to use Band, switch Swords Dance for something else, like Aqua Jet or First Impression

[honest umbra]

not water but like really good STAB combo

[brisk pebble]

If u replace Choice Specs with Scope Lens, and replace HP with Focus Energy, u can run 100% crit buils with Draco Meteor and Fleur Cannon

Even if either lowers your Sp.atk, if it crits, it ignores it

[honest umbra]

oh

that's hilarious

need to do different mons tho

doesnt have access

unrelated but how good of a chlorphyll sweeper is this

[unkempt pelican]

what type of teams is everyone running?

[brisk pebble]

Something like this then?

[gilded crown]

Specs substitute?

[brisk pebble]

I run a different chlorophyll for my sun team

[honest umbra]

forgor

[unkempt pelican]

oh nice

ive been doing a trick room

[honest umbra]

team?

was thinking of trying one

[honest umbra]

originally was running a dif item

[fierce nest]

getting silly (Weavile) @ Normal Gem
Ability: Unburden
Fusion: Hawlucha
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Fake Out
• Acrobatics
• Knock Off
• Fire Punch

[sage lodge]

ok wth

[mortal spire]

Wiki berry???

[muted oar]

still doesn't let me use my team

[brisk pebble]

Either Wiki or Coba berry works. Leftovers doesn't heal as much as it tends to stay for becuz it's not that bulky, choice items takes away it's flexibility, can't really think of anything else

[muted oar]

that has to be a glitch

[craggy remnant]

Post in the support+bug channel

I had the same issue with other fusion

[mortal spire]

Do you rly need longevity that badly? Couldnt you use LO or somethin

[shadow lion]

I need 2 more pokemon for my team, what should they be and can i change any issues?

[unkempt pelican]

what mode is the most popular mode?

[brisk pebble]

I already tried Leftovers, overall it doesn't contribute much
I either get 2HKO by strong attacks
OHKO by flying attacks
Or i just sweep with Growth (100% HP healing nothing)

[mortal spire]

So LO doesnt change much?

[brisk pebble]

Not for Venuchartoise. It's not that bulky contrary to my expectations

You can try leftovers if u prefer, i think it's just not for me

[unkempt pelican]

is ou or ag more popular?

[brisk pebble]

OU

The bullshit in AG isn't even fun for the ppl there

[unkempt pelican]

why cause the wobbufet strats?

[rapid glade]

chansey/blissey + insert bulky mon here

[brisk pebble]

Aegislash Blissey is the biggest offender

[unkempt pelican]

oh i had that not knowing its good

[restive frigate]

I used Blissey Gliscor instead

I've seen Blissey Aegislash sometimes, and Blissey Dusknoir twice from the few games I played

[shadow lion]

I just need to build a team

[craggy remnant]

Just saw you played against blunder lol

https://twitter.com/Thunderblunder7/status/1726046388671205468/photo/1

[shadow lion]

lol

Well i need to build a team 😭

[spring folio]

maybe speed control? extreme speed only goes so far for revenge killing

just played you XD I had the sylveon/noivern

also don't think chandelsteel needs rocks since it's wisp hex cm setup

maybe flamethrower for coverage / utilizing flash fire boosts

[unkempt pelican]

im test trailing teams

[shadow lion]

ok

[shadow lion]

I need 2 more pokemon 💀

[spring folio]

yea try some speed control

[shadow lion]

what is speed control

[spring folio]

ive seen people using weavile/hawlucha

[unkempt pelican]

swamptiliken is actually prob the only tripple fusion i like to use

[spring folio]

oh just a fast pokemon to revenge kill pokemon that have poor defenses

[unkempt pelican]

most likely would be choiced to guarentee to outspeed or kill if i were to use one

[spring folio]

maybe like this?
Weavlucha (Weavile) @ Normal Gem
Ability: Unburden
Fusion: Hawlucha
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Fake Out
• Acrobatics
• Knock Off
• Ice Shard

[unkempt pelican]

wow ou was easier then ag 😭

whats a good combo with klefki?

[shadow lion]

What should my 6th pokemon be?

[acoustic jacinth]

breloom...parasect... depends on what you wanna do. sporing threats can be insane. but there's a lot of things you can do with prankster to mke powerhouses.

[shadow lion]

(Just use a dark type to counter prankster)

[acoustic jacinth]

not every team has a dark type, and they can be trapped/eliminated. prankster has use but it's not braindead slap it on every team.

it's pretty cool to use to do priority boosts too, get defenses up first guaranteed.

[unkempt pelican]

yeah

at this point im scared of shadowtagged mons

[acoustic jacinth]

shadow tag is b@

you have to trap with moves

[unkempt pelican]

thank god

the wynaut teams 😭

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=itiselementary-thelunaticphantom-1700366851415

like this

how many layers of spikes should i do?

[worthy anvil]

What’s a good bulky intimidate user? Thinking of making a team w/ a lot of pivots, and was trying to think of what could work well w/ that besides regenerator. I’m not particularly good at this, so any advice would be much appreciated ^^;

[honest umbra]

does No Guard override Mankey's Paw or vice versa

[honest umbra]

gyarados kinda fits the bill if you combine it with something with good defense

so does salamence

[rapid glade]

I think gyarados or hitmontop heads, tauros bodies, or arcanine for either could work

[honest umbra]

salamence and gyarados have the best hp at a tie, but gyarados is imbalanced toward SpD so it's prolly better

bastiodon might work?

water steel aint a bad type and the defense is big

[oak cypress]

Mankey’s paw will always take priority. At least in the main game. Is it even in showdown?

[honest umbra]

yes

also just read a bug report that no guard takes priority

fire

it's also hilarious well fit to a trick room team

[worthy anvil]

Actually, what about a Krookodile body fusion? Just saw that it gets parting shot in IF, could that pair well w/ intimidate? It also gets stab pursuit and knock off

Hitmontop and Salamance also seem nice for hazard control, and the others could be good if I decide I need more offense

[spring folio]

pixilate boomburst sure is something

[unkempt pelican]

ive been using this set up for a little now (anything i could improve)

[rapid glade]

maybe give some more coverage like earthquake a shot? darkest lariat isnt very necessary if you already have knock off

[unkempt pelican]

alright

ill try it

[robust rapids]

wish passing incineroar

[spring folio]

any teambuilding tips?

and if you've faced me on ladder in the past 10 mins: no peeking!!!! >:(

[robust rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/spy-kids-lemme-zoom-in-on-that-zoom-watching-you-spy-gif-5212510

[spring folio]

my main complaint rn is that gyarados/garchomp is pretty useless

[unkempt pelican]

the noivern sylveon im almost certain everyone uses it

[spring folio]

yea

[robust rapids]

you team def needs a fire move or something for the bulky grass types

[spring folio]

mmmm yea I have had issues with those

[muted oar]

Maybe run Draco meteor instead of psychic for the nuke if you ever need it as a STAB option.

Not seeing the point of the Wailapex being an assault vest user when stall is the whole point of toxapex

[spring folio]

only reason to not use boomburst is if they're a fairy resist, so I have focus blast / psychic for steel/poison types

draco would cover poison and fire I suppose tho

[muted oar]

Why bullet seed? Just run tailwind instead

[muted oar]

Yeah fair

[rapid glade]

nothing on this team really benefits from tailwind

which is usually bad in singles anyways (too little time when you need to switch in to an abuser)

[spring folio]

needed some grass coverage, been having trouble with the water/ground walls. That could be taken by the replacement for gyarachomp tho

[rapid glade]

that being said if you're not running technician seed bomb is probably more consistent as grass stab

[robust rapids]

I see no reason to run wailord/toxapex over lapras/toxapex, much better defenses with still good hp

[muted oar]

Then use seed bomb instead, it's just better.

[spring folio]

oh good point

[muted oar]

Lol he beat me to it by like 10 seconds

Yeah bullet seed is only good with technician

Bullet seed only does more damage with 4 or 5 hits which is unlikely

[spring folio]

oh yea ty!

[muted oar]

And since it's assault vest, higher SpA iirc

[spring folio]

I might go for non-av since lapras doesn't get clear smog

[rapid glade]

imo vaporeon toxapex is actually the best of the bulky waters for this set
comparable defenses to lapras
but with better special attack, which even if uninvested, is what you'll be attacking with

[spring folio]

haze support might be nice

[robust rapids]

haze, heal bell, perish song, etc

or even DDance if you're crazy

[spring folio]

ooo good idea, just slightly less def than lap but same everywhere else

thoughts?

[robust rapids]

looks fine

i don't think it learns any pivot moves for wish which can be kinda tricky, but your team looks bulky enough

[spring folio]

I'm just not sure what to replace gyarachomp with. While teambuilding I had blaziken/garchomp but found out speed boost was banned

tbh not even sure if a physical setup sweeper would even fit in the team very well

[unkempt pelican]

this team is working pretty well but is there anything i should add to improve it?

[spring folio]

might as well go for unburden on swamptiliken in case you get knocked. damp does basically nothing

[oak cypress]

Doesn’t it get speed boost?

[spring folio]

• dragon dance on a slow regen pivot is prob not gonna do too much. Maybe synthesis instead?

[spring folio]

yea but its banned :(

[unkempt pelican]

alright

[unkempt pelican]

nah it sweeps whcih shocked me

[spring folio]

also, encore on your prankster mon can save your life vs setup sweepers. Idk what you would replace tho

[spring folio]

damn that's crazy

[unkempt pelican]

2 ddance almsot kills everything

[spring folio]

it doesn't get swords dance does it?

[robust rapids]

I would replace magnet rise with flamethrower on the registeel so you can threaten most grass types

[unkempt pelican]

i will check

[spring folio]

mm good point

[unkempt pelican]

my prankster does not learn encore

[robust rapids]

probably dont need toxic when you have spore and baneful bunker on glispex

[unkempt pelican]

tried that but it doesnt get encore

i could go whimiscott breloom

[robust rapids]

whimsicott supremacy

[unkempt pelican]

fr

[robust rapids]

klefki gets hazards, whimsicott gets knock off, encore, even endeavor if your spicy

[unkempt pelican]

both together fr

instead of encore i could run torment

[spring folio]

encore disable is the way

[unkempt pelican]

alright bet

[spring folio]

I love encore disable cm moonblast on iron valiant in normal play

such a fun set

[unkempt pelican]

whats a good combo to run encore disable (as in mons)

gonna do lefties but how does that look

[spring folio]

grass/flying is a really poor typing

[unkempt pelican]

i could reverse and make fairy steel

just worse stats

[spring folio]

I mean fairy steel is hella good but if the stats are a lot worse then maybe you should try to find a different fusion that does what you want

[unkempt pelican]

its 19 stats

[spring folio]

cool nvm then lmao

[unkempt pelican]

would that be a good set up and lead mon?

[spring folio]

maybe? it can't really shut down other leads (no spore) and its stats aren't great

[unkempt pelican]

alright ill find another combo

[spring folio]

fairy/steel is really good typing tho

but yea

[unkempt pelican]

i cant find a good mon with sleep (with sport that isnt the meta) But (i could run breloom and parasect but i feel like doing somethign no one else actually does and wanna try sum stuff) i was thinking stunspore maybe

[spring folio]

togekiss gets encore actually, you could do togekiss head klefki body and have fairy/steel with encore spikes and twave

[unkempt pelican]

this is what i was looking at

[unkempt pelican]

actually thats a good idea

[unkempt pelican]

item and ability arent set in this image

speed evs to pray for airslash flinches

i am going to test this

[spring folio]

id just run hp evs instead of speed, you already have para cutting speed

[unkempt pelican]

oh true

ill lky how this goes

[teal obsidian]

:]

[unkempt pelican]

i had that lol

[robust rapids]

something i thought up

[unkempt pelican]

i never even though of ambipom (forgot it existed)

i feel like ferrothorn is a little more effective imo

[robust rapids]

technician double iron bash is like 180 power before stab tho

[unkempt pelican]

oh

thats kinda op

mind if i borrow that mon?

[hoary plume]

Idk if anyone's mentioned this yet, but this has been putting in great work as both a webs setter and an emergency sweeper check w/ prankster t-wave

Plus naturally high speed for a prankster Pokemon, which helps

[unkempt pelican]

ive found this is also really good

[hoary plume]

Ooooh, very mean lol

[unkempt pelican]

yeah

can also deal some dmg if needed

[hoary plume]

I think each fits different team archetypes

[unkempt pelican]

-__-

[hoary plume]

What the hell lol

[unkempt pelican]

my team was too good for the game

[hoary plume]

Your cooking was too fine

[unkempt pelican]

fr

i think

toxapex gliscor

i might change so its a normal type

stab facade too good to pas sup

[hoary plume]

Fair enough lol

I've been running Glisapex and it definitely suits the nuisance wall a lot better than an offensive set

[unkempt pelican]

im currently looking at bewear

[hoary plume]

Also interesting note, Forretress makes for an interesting pairing with a regenerator mon as the only Pokemon to give both pivoting and rapid spin. None of the regenerator Pokemon learn pivoting moves or rapid spin.

Idk how useful that is, but it's neat

[hoary plume]

Yeah that looks kind of crazy

No bulk up though?

[unkempt pelican]

thats genius

[hoary plume]

lmao

[unkempt pelican]

this is a sweeper

i did have ttar here but seeing this scares me with stratergy

cause now i can remove hazards too

[hoary plume]

Ferro with regenerator

God help us

Wait why not just use ferro lol

[unkempt pelican]

true

rocky helmet too is wild

[hoary plume]

Unless you wanna use volt switch, Ferro kinda offers more

Yeah this is a mean set

[unkempt pelican]

instead for regenerator i kinda wanna do rocky helmet iron barbs but idk whats better

[hoary plume]

Could possibly go insan-o mode in the right conditions with heal bell support to help with all the scalds running around

I mean, if you run rocky helment iron barbs you're literally just running ferrothorn with synthesis lol

[unkempt pelican]

i mean true'

[hoary plume]

And much worse special bulk

[unkempt pelican]

also ferrothorn dont get rapid spin?

[unkempt pelican]

eh true

ill keep regenerator

[hoary plume]

Wait yeah it doesn't lol

Idk what I was thinking

[unkempt pelican]

ima try run this

bro my team keepy crashing the valiadator

[hoary plume]

Mannn

[unkempt pelican]

i fixed it by reloading page

nvm

[unkempt pelican]

blood sweat and tears

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=thelunaticphantom-llanfairpwllgwyngy-1700385387753

[brisk pebble]

Oh, just fought u

[unkempt pelican]

which batttle?

[brisk pebble]

The sun team

[unkempt pelican]

ohh

you were good

too good for me

im only just coming back to battling

[brisk pebble]

That Ambipom is such a hindrance

[unkempt pelican]

idk how its nu

[brisk pebble]

it's fine, i had no experience in singles, and i suck at team building for it

[unkempt pelican]

technician fake ut then stab espeed is op

[unkempt pelican]

im better at doubles too

[brisk pebble]

Same

[unkempt pelican]

as i used to do vgc (havent done it in a couple years though)

[brisk pebble]

stopped VGC in gen 8 (altho i also skipped gen 7 cuz primals were bullshit)

[unkempt pelican]

i stopped gen 7 cause of primals lol

anyways ima head of cya

[chrome pawn]

watch as someone who never plays comp tries to make a fucking trick room team

[forest verge]

Is this a new channel?

[chrome pawn]

yeah, its for the new pif showdown

[brisk pebble]

Technically it's more of a return

[mortal spire]

anyhow

[open lily]

any dude better than metazor tho

[mortal spire]

yeah I question CB metazor in a screens HO team

[open lily]

is first imp worth keeping

[mortal spire]

metazor in itself is fine

its just the set

maybe LO SDance is better?

[open lily]

first impression sd bp knock

999 attack bug type with FI is a lokix

it learns knock yes

[mortal spire]

I mean

works

[open lily]

so if we check things off

we keep magnelure

we keep metazor but change set

keep the pixillate espeed

[mortal spire]

now on the topic of haxchomp

we could keep it

or we could use

[open lily]

also 355 speed adap boomburst 100% keep

[mortal spire]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/543958354377179176/1042693140714373170/337.299.gif

instead

[open lily]

we could

theres also dnite chomp

espeed earthquake claw dd

[mortal spire]

mm nah

no stab espeed

kinda meh

[open lily]

ya

yeah we use broken chomp

is our prankster chi good

[mortal spire]

haxchomp or klinkchomp tho

[open lily]

bro i keep dying to fucking vcreate turn 1

[sharp nimbus]

Does anyone have a team i could use? I don't really care what the team is i just don't want to have to make one

[mortal spire]

Im considering swapping it to whimsicott hydreigon

dark type prankster immunity

[open lily]

why so

ohhh

yeahh

[mortal spire]

https://pokepast.es/cb3ea0460e6642fb

[open lily]

dark type

any darks better?

[mortal spire]

and it still has the exact same moveset

[open lily]

specifically a bulky dark type

[sharp nimbus]

Though i may make a team using only sprites I've made

[open lily]

i was trying ttar pex for a while

@mortal spire what about mence

Moxie

[mortal spire]

the sweepers we have rn is better

[mortal spire]

btw these are our options

umbreon sacrifices a lot of speed

and whimiscott rly likes its fast u-turns

[open lily]

when in doubt

vile

its either vile or dreigon

[hushed junco]

Vile is such an amazing fuse

[open lily]

weavile makes our fusion frail but hydreigon is balanceed both speed and bulk

[mortal spire]

fuck no

we want a half-bulky screens setter

[open lily]

Klinkchomp (Klinklang) @ Leftovers
Ability: Clear Body
Fusion: Garchomp
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Shift Gear
• Earthquake
• Gear Grind
• Outrage

[mortal spire]

not a sweeper

[open lily]

then hydreigon

[hushed junco]

bulky screen setter

why does it have to be dark type?

[mortal spire]

these are our options

[mortal spire]

immunity to prankster taunt, twave, and spore

[open lily]

bruhh hydreigon fusion is no different from the jirachi one

keep hydreigon

[hushed junco]

^

[open lily]

same speed similar bulk except we are immune to prankster

huge for us

grimmsnarl on drugs

except we have no parting shot

[mortal spire]

if you rly want the weavile one

[mortal spire]

slightly less bulk actually

also dark/fairy is debatably a worse defensive typing than steel/fairy

but prankster immunity is nice

[open lily]

yeah cuz its steel fairy ofc

i think taunt immunity is better

we want those screens up

[brisk pebble]

Remember how powerful First Impression was when we had Thick Club?

[open lily]

i think we should turn scizor into lokix

first impression yeahh!!!!!!!

joke

[hushed junco]

bulky prankster user

that's a challenge

a cool one certainly

that is dark type

[brisk pebble]

Klefki comes to mind as the only Prankster user that is most likely to be bulky

[hushed junco]

but then you lose u-turn

nevermind

you do not

[brisk pebble]

Eviolite Murkrow works too, but u lose your item slot which could've been for Light Clay if u're running screens

[open lily]

prankster immunity where

[mortal spire]

no u-turn smh

[open lily]

our goal:
dark type bulky fast screens setter

[mortal spire]

whimsicott the goat

[hushed junco]

289 speed

which

is not much

[brisk pebble]

i mean you're running Prankster already

[open lily]

yeah i think hycott is better

we want that fast U turn action men

[mortal spire]

not even 100 smh

[mortal spire]

fast u-turns tho

[final seal]

will wo chien ever get viable

[hushed junco]

I mean yeah, that's better

[brisk pebble]

Oh... i prefer slower u-turns for my current teams because i want to switch into a frail sweeper unharmed

[hushed junco]

^that is a good point actually

[brisk pebble]

But for frail Prankster supports, makes sense

[hushed junco]

hence the need for a bulky prankster user

[mortal spire]

so we swapping jicott to hycott

how bout haxchomp?

also I gtg take a bath brb

[open lily]

this guy is just wish.com melmetal

[brisk pebble]

i think it's a preference whether u want faster u-turns, or a bulkier prankster user

[open lily]

gear grind is just double iron bash but worse

[open lily]

yeah man

[brisk pebble]

Doesn't KlinkChomp learn Iron Head?

[open lily]

weve seen grimmsnarl in action before

[brisk pebble]

Why use Gear Grind?

[open lily]

what if sash

[brisk pebble]

what if miss

[open lily]

we will never know

oh shit yeah 85 accuracy

[brisk pebble]

Trust me, if Gear Grind had 100 accuracy, or at least fckin 95, i would be using it

but no... it's inaccurate as hell

Also, 15% chance to miss your Gear Grind
30% chance to flinch the sash user with Iron Head
u choose

[open lily]

yeah that shit is fire blast level inaccuracy

[hushed junco]

someone is dedicated

[open lily]

clear body vs rough skin

[open lily]

he had enough of gliscor being banned in svou

[brisk pebble]

Clear Body

[hushed junco]

you could easily run an unfused gliscor in your team

it's just that good

[brisk pebble]

You can't get slowed by sticky webs, nor fck'd by parting shots or intimidates

[hushed junco]

rhyperior improves on gliscors main stats

hp, atk and def

-speed

but

it's not like gliscor is supposed to outspeed stuff

[brisk pebble]

• speed

[final seal]

ONE GLISCORILLION GAMES PLAYED WITH GLISCOR!!!

GLISCOR SWEEP

[muted oar]

You can outspeed basically any scarfer using swift swim assuming the fusion is speed invested and not abysmally slow

[brisk pebble]

i recently tried to build a rain team around a Sylveon/Kingdra with 100% crit STAB Draco Meteors and Fleur cannons... it wasn't that good

[west locust]

Oh

[final seal]

to be honest

im trying to build a team

but DAMN

its so overwhelming with all the options

[west locust]

Kingdra sucks I'm afraid 😔

[brisk pebble]

It's not that bad

[final seal]

i need tips

is it like

building on regular showdown

[hushed junco]

ok

hear me out

When in doubt, registeel it out

[brisk pebble]

309 sp.atk with 100% crit Draco Meteors and Fleur cannons, but it's not that powerful it seems

[brisk pebble]

And Registeel comes and saves the day

it's slow af, but slower u-turns are great for switching into frail sweepers safely

[final seal]

so like

[hushed junco]

You play it for prankster anyway

[final seal]

is it just building a regular team

fuck it im picking up a sample team

[hushed junco]

if it would persist

[final seal]

do sample teams exist

[hushed junco]

this would be such a good move

[brisk pebble]

We can't help something as broad as "make me a team"

[final seal]

ok so

[hushed junco]

Make insert monotonous task for me

[brisk pebble]

Generally it's better to pick a set u want, and then build around it
Then keep losing until u identify problems in your team, and toss out the trash
Keep reviewing until you're satisfied, or stuck

[mortal spire]

Except melmetal cant outspeed everything after 1 turn of setup

[open lily]

oh shit our team has no flare blitz switch ins

[final seal]

place one pixel on a 32x48 grid 😊

[muted oar]

How is it 100% crit

[open lily]

i got smoked by blaziken aerodactyl of all things

[west locust]

I had a similar thought with Mummy, but it also doesn't stick so it's not worth it

[muted oar]

Having switch ins are cringe

[hushed junco]

ok what now

[open lily]

if only we have mr. craw

[brisk pebble]

For example, my current team (that somehow got me to top 10... idk how) started by me wanting to build around Reuniclus/Electrode's Mind Blown gimmick
Found that Mind Blown was actually pretty weak without STAB, so i made a Sun team around it.
Slowly reviewed it, get rekt'd, until it got to the point i'm satisfied, but always looking for ways to improve it

[hushed junco]

but that's the point of teambuilding

you have to try stuff out

losing is a natural process of learning

[brisk pebble]

Scope lens + Focus energy = 100% crit rate

Then even if Draco Meteor or Fleur Cannon lowers the Sp.atk, since it's 100% crit, it ignores the sp.atk loss

Built a rain team around it to abuse Swift Swim to give it 552 speed

[final seal]

dollar store tapu koko

[brisk pebble]

but in my testing, even a neutral crit Draco meteor or Fleur cannon wasn't as powerful as i'd hope

[west locust]

I tried cooking something similar with Sniper Frost Breath
Spoilers: all Pokemon combinations that can do that suck ass

[open lily]

lol critdra sniper draco is stronger than specs hydreigon

[brisk pebble]

i had to use Swift Swim over Sniper to compensate for the speed issues

But in my build, i found this to be incredibly terrifying

[open lily]

use haxorus

[final seal]

is swamptiliken good

[brisk pebble]

Why? It's a Swift Swim build, so using Haxorus is just worse

[final seal]

like for

unburden

[brisk pebble]

Pretty good

[open lily]

why so

who cares about bulk it needs 600 attack and 600 speed

haxorus and kabutops

[brisk pebble]

hmm...

[mortal spire]

Damn I raised you well

Im so proud

[brisk pebble]

the lowered bulk is quite scary though, especially if i want to set up swords dance

[mortal spire]

Hb this

Fuck swords dance

Use choice band

Hey that kinda rhymes

[brisk pebble]

Well in either case, it's still the strongest Swift Swimmer i made, but the Critdra was a failure

time to find another gimmick

[nocturne eagle]

time to make a mono fighting team

[open lily]

screens with rain?

[mortal spire]

I AM SO GOD DAMN PROUD

but no its gonna take too many turns to set up the sweepers

[open lily]

wait

forgot sludge

it was pex

[snow pike]

black sludge?

[open lily]

so thats why

it was a pex fusion

forgot to replacd

damp rock or light clay

[snow pike]

btw clefable is really good

[open lily]

we want rock

without rock they turn into slow mfs that can be revenged

[snow pike]

if you want to build stall, use jirachi clefable toxapex gliscor and stuff

[open lily]

cuz we need screens to survive shit while setting up

[worthy anvil]

Is this anything? I’ll probably play around w/ the IV spread so it can survive specific threats if I decide to keep it

Muk/Krookodile
Item: Black Sludge
Ability: Intimidate
Nature: Impish (252 HP, 252 Def, 4 SpD)

• Knock Off
• Pursuit
• Baneful Bunker/Poison Jab
• Parting Shot

[snow pike]

the stall in the meta is so broken its impossible to break through

[open lily]

@mortal spire we are cooking rain team

[mortal spire]

Bet

[open lily]

lure or dreigon here

critdra already learns focus energy and draco

shadow ball is better than dark pulse

idk if it learns flash cannon but we can always replace it with pump

[final seal]

OVERHEAT GRENINJA!!!!!!!!!

[open lily]

I have a better idea

[snow pike]

wondering if this is good or not

[brisk pebble]

Watch it get Mach Punched to oblivion

[hushed junco]

Serene grace iron bash 80% flinch

[open lily]

that fucker learns DIB???

hey man just abuse good ol pixillate fake out

[brisk pebble]

Didn't know that too tbh

[hushed junco]

abuse it on the ladder to get it finally banned

[snow pike]

yeah Double iron bash for pokemon with double hit or smth'

not scizor?

[open lily]

double iron bash steel type garchomp

my klinklang chomp set with gear grind but better

[snow pike]

you want technician tho'

[mortal spire]

Ambipom scizor?

[snow pike]

i used metagross because its faster and has more attack

https://pokepast.es/f8eb79fc0dfaae5b building more stall

[brisk pebble]

i want to try this variation
Normal Gem Fake Out, then use a STAB+Technician boosted Covet to steal an opponent's item

[snow pike]

smart

probably want knock still for ghosts

[brisk pebble]

makes sense

[chrome adder]

Caffeine
should i replace my toedscruel/amoonguss fusion honestly?

[brisk pebble]

Actually Thief might be better to get boosted by Technician? Also steals an opponent's item lol

[brisk pebble]

I literally have no idea what it does

[brisk pebble]

And i don't mean what its kit is

[chrome adder]

setting up spikes and sleeping and removing hazards ig

it got mycelium might (which sucks) it got effect spore which is better ish,and it has regenerator

[snow pike]

use regenerator then

[brisk pebble]

It can use Spikes?

[snow pike]

tho drop protect for a damaging move

[chrome adder]

yes?

[chrome adder]

It has rapid spin ig?

but sure ig

Also

Both of its atk stats are almost the same

[upper granite]

whats the link

[chrome adder]

oh right

Natdex ou

wait

wtf?

[brisk pebble]

ah, i didn't filter the box by Nat AG

[chrome adder]

..wait

why doesnt it have spikes in ag?

[brisk pebble]

Would probably run this set instead

[nocturne eagle]

https://pokepast.es/ca794b788134a665
made this mono fighting team while half asleep, someone tell me what it does and how to improve on it thanks

[brisk pebble]

You can use it as a special wall pivot
Unfortunately its Defence is dogshit

[upper granite]

can someone send me the link

[muted oar]

Whats the point of nat dex for this game

[brisk pebble]

idk, i play IF OU

[chrome adder]

wdym

[brisk pebble]

it's pinned in #showdown-general

[upper granite]

thanks

[chrome adder]

@brisk pebble Caffeine
be honest,Does chestnaught/Golisopod sound good?

[brisk pebble]

Maybe use Weezing instead of Amoonguss. Has much higher Defence

[chrome adder]

it doesnt have regenerator?

[brisk pebble]

Ignore Regenerator, forgot to switch to levitate

[brisk pebble]

What does it do for you?

[chrome adder]

Being a bulky Water/grass while also switching pokemon with roar?

[upper granite]

is their a meta for a team

[brisk pebble]

It's slow, and only physically defensive, it's special def is paper thin. Good luck if u Roar your opponent into a special attacker, u're either forced to switch, or goodbye Chestnaught/Golisopod
Overall... trash

[chrome adder]

what do i replace with then

[upper granite]

damn slaking is uber

[brisk pebble]

idk, that's for u to figure what you want/need

[chrome adder]

smth bulky while that can also switch pokemon?

[brisk pebble]

i mean... u saw for yourself what Milly has as an example

[chrome adder]

...I forgor.

but i do have smth in mind

after watching a certain wolfeyvgc video
it reminded me of a mon

[upper granite]

is this a good set for a bulky hazard setter

[snow pike]

why heat crash

[upper granite]

idk, i swapped it for drain punch for some coverage against dark

[mortal spire]

Why not just

Teleport

To pivot

[slim mesa]

Wouldn't you rather want tge EVs in HP because your defence is already so high?
Also, Rocky Helmet is odd

[mortal spire]

Also this

[slim mesa]

Thank you

[mortal spire]

Youd prob want teleport and body press > heat crash heavy slam

And you can use lefties/mental herb/whatev > helm ig

And defo just invest in max hp and max spd

[upbeat sand]

Looking for opinions.

[slim mesa]

First thing, without looking too much into your team, Black Sludge over Leftover on Hydreigon

[upper granite]

is this better

[slim mesa]

You will not out speed anything

[upbeat sand]

Any suggestions on where to move the Lefties to?

[slim mesa]

Roost on a Choice set is bold
Clear Body doesn't cone in as often as you'd expect
Gliscor seems a little confused

[upper granite]

someone told me to invest in speed, idk why

[slim mesa]

Huh...okay

[jaunty geode]

they said to max out spd not speed

[rich basalt]

Does teleport work? I tried before and it did nothing

[snow pike]

anyone know any good stallbreakers

[brisk pebble]

Saw your recent game lol

u had no answer for Gliscor

[snow pike]

i didnt yeah

[brisk pebble]

u barely won with your Klinklang/Ambipom

Dunnoe what to tell u man, just hit really really hard

[jaunty geode]

specs boomburst anything rellay

[snow pike]

its not enough

for the steel fairies

[brisk pebble]

dunnoe what to tell ya, but to just hit really really hard

They did say Poison Heal is on a ban watch list, so they might ban it to ubers if it poses too much an issue

[jaunty geode]

not even with flammertrower

[snow pike]

i honestly hope they ban clefable

[brisk pebble]

To note though, Gliscor fusions are usually part ground since they're used as the body to maximize def
So having an attack that can deal super effective, or ALOT of neutral dmg is a way of dealing with them

Many Gliscor fusions opt to try to cover that weakness though, like making it part flying to resist grass attacks, part water to cover water, etc, etc

[upper granite]

something like this?

[snow pike]

if dex

[upper granite]

oh

[jaunty geode]

do you want to break tho the instantly or with liek set up

?

[snow pike]

i suppose if a pokemon cant get toxic leech seed stalled to death setup works,but toxapex has haze

i guess a grass type is nice

[brisk pebble]

have u considered getting a weezing fusion with Neutralizing gas?

[snow pike]

to be immune to spore

[brisk pebble]

then watch their confusion as their Toxic dmgs them

[snow pike]

neutralizing gas is gen 8

[brisk pebble]

Oh damn, i forgot

[jaunty geode]

You could sword dance glisor fusion

[snow pike]

not a bad idea actually

problem is unaware

and haze

exist

[brisk pebble]

You can beat Unaware, u can't beat Gliscor atm

[upper granite]

whats a good gliscor fusion

[brisk pebble]

Also, you beat unaware the same way u beat Gliscor, you hit them really really hard

[brisk pebble]

idk? there's alot, but i don't use them myself

[snow pike]

stab spam

i tried pz/typhlosion with eruption but it wasnt doing as much as i hoped

[brisk pebble]

i personally run PZ/Entei

[snow pike]

oh

thats broken

[upper granite]

seems pretty good

[muted oar]

Throw it in the sun

[jaunty geode]

what the atk stat on that thing

[jaunty geode]

252+ Atk Adaptability Entei V-create vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Toxapex in Sun: 147-174 (48.3 - 57.2%) -- 92.6% chance to 2HKO god damn

[jaunty geode]

also remove the 4 evs from teh hp stat

[brisk pebble]

hmm?

[jaunty geode]

even hp stat

[jaunty geode]

252+ Atk Choice Band Adaptability Entei V-create vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Toxapex in Sun: 220-259 (72.3 - 85.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO wall breaking

[worthy anvil]

Oh, I was thinking of running a Xatu set since magic bounce is always fun (My current team is a bit weak to ground so I thought a slow flying type w/ u-turn might be better than Espeon). Any suggestions for fusion partners? Also, do screens seem like they’d be worthwhile in the current meta?

[upper granite]

i would say so, considdering most mons will be doing tons of damage

[brisk pebble]

Idk abt Xatu, but yes, Screens are viable

[jaunty geode]

screans are useable and like any steel type one makeing steel flying

[jaunty geode]

it has even hp stat which mean steath rocks do more

[brisk pebble]

Sounds dumb...

[jaunty geode]

it just math

[uneven turtle]

blissey + shedinja feels so comically stupid it's hilarious

except it can't run both wonder guard and natural cure

[snow pike]

fusing the highest hp pokemon with the pokemon that makes your hp 1

[brisk pebble]

... i really wanna try this set while Mankey Paw still works with No Guard

[jaunty geode]

it got changed

[brisk pebble]

Someone give me a quick Hail team to slam this into it

[uneven turtle]

i forgor

except it still seems to have non-1 HP values

so nvm

[jaunty geode]

it used to but not anymore

[muted oar]

Was it a bug or something?

[jaunty geode]

no it was just diffent from in game i belive wait let me get the posted

[jaunty geode]

the ability wonder guard locks fusions into 1 hp max, and shedinja fusions will otherwise have more than 1 hp (sturdinja gone)

nevermind it only if they have wonder gured

[thorn zinc]

Swampert/gliscor
Metagross/snorlax
Shuckle/Genessect (if Genessect is not alowed, ignore it)

How I could improve it?

[worthy anvil]

How's this look so far? I decided to just make a team based around the idea that I'd give every member a move that lets them swap out since I find that fun. Thinking of adding a normal technician fake out user, probably a special sweeper, and maybe a cleric?

[thorn zinc]

Magnezone/Gliscor with sturdy is amazing, if your opponent don’t have sturdy, u can use lock on, and guillotine than, instant kill

[worthy anvil]

This set looks pretty fun, do you think a similar one w/ u-turn could be any good? Or at that point is it better to just stick w/ an item that permanently boosts fake out?

[brisk pebble]

It's just a gimmick really. Whether it's effective or not needs to be tested.

[upper granite]

i need a good gliscor fusion

[worthy anvil]

I like gimmicks so I'm up for giving it a shot ^^ Do you think this could work for it? No worries if there's just not enough info now tho

[brisk pebble]

It's kinda hard to tell, but your team lacks firepower atm (and Umbreon/Ambipom is asking to get 1 shot by mach punch)

How would u deal with the likes of Gliscor for example

Also Stunfisk being so slow means it's gonna set up screens after being hit, and it doesn't look bulky so it might die before setting any

[worthy anvil]

Planning on making a counter for it and probably Sylvern since those are ones I've seen mentioned a lot, but I wasn't sure what sets folks were running w/ Gliscor specifically.

I'm down for swapping stunfisk out and/or switching to espeon for magic bounce. Slow u-turn users are nice for the safe switch but I suppose it isn't the best choice for screens as a result ^^;

[brisk pebble]

I think someone made a bulky prankster screen setter earlier. Priority screens, but middling speed for u turns. No magic bounce though

[dreamy lion]

I have the teams I use for fun, then the super team I'm making based on what other people destroyed me with

[topaz cedar]

it's been a hot minute since I've played showdown so I'm still tweaking this team but here's mine so far

https://pokepast.es/4b5c65a007c897d2

not so sure about these two but

[dreamy lion]

What’s recycle for?

[topaz cedar]

whoops I need to replace that lmao

I had a different moveset earlier but forgot to change recyle

[halcyon garden]

Intentionally stealing items can backfire pretty hard so keep that in mind

[worthy anvil]

Magic Bounce is fun but I’ll live w/o it ^^ Or I can just try separate mons for bounce and screen setting if I have room. Do you remember what fusion it was?

[worthy anvil]

Yeah, I don’t have my heart set on it. I think a technician fake out user could be good on a team where I’m switching a lot, and the set looked like it could be funny, but I’m definitely up for changing it if it doesn’t work or I find something better ^^

[halcyon garden]

Whimsicott/Rayquaza would be an insane screen setter but would waste it's potential.
Blissey/Whimsicott, kill me.
Outside of Uber, Whimsicott/Swampert and Honchkrow/Clefable seem bulky. Vaporeon/Whimsicott too

[halcyon garden]

I'd recommend Beat Up Technician personally. Does quite a bit of damage

[pure pendant]

I’ve been playing around with the team builder a bit, how does this set I came up with look?

[brisk pebble]

Something like this i guess

It's speed is pretty high though

if u really want slow u-turns, u could probably take a negative speed nature

[pure pendant]

Hah we made basically the same set

[worthy anvil]

I already have volt switch regenerator forretress w/ gyroball, so I don’t necessarily need a second one ^^

[worthy anvil]

Oh yeah, that could be good. Think I should stick w/ umbreon for the stab?

[brisk pebble]

??? u asked me for the bulky prankster screens build though

[halcyon garden]

No Umbreon should always use Foul Play since the enemy almost always has higher attack

[worthy anvil]

I meant for the slow switch, since you said that Registeel/Whimsicott was a bit fast ^^;

[halcyon garden]

If you really want a killer with Technician I'd give them monster attack with Beat Up, a priority STAB, and either a never miss move OR a move like Force Palm that gets the Technician boost and has a high chance of a secondary effect. That's just me though 😜

[worthy anvil]

This was for the technician set w/ fake out and beat up, sorry for the confusion ^^;

[halcyon garden]

I feel like a Fake Out mon isn't usually bulky so the biggest benefit from Umbreon is a little misplaced? It does give it STAB but you could do any Dark type for that and possibly get more utility.

[worthy anvil]

I just went Umbreon/Ambipom since it seemed like the best dark head stat-wise and it was the first technician mon w/ fake out that I thought of. I’m fine w/ changing both or either tho ^^

[jaunty geode]

why umbreion tho

[halcyon garden]

First thing I thought of was Weavile Scizor fusion 😜

[worthy anvil]

Is it worth the loss of normal stab?

[halcyon garden]

We're you planning another Normal move to get the Technician boost?

Fake Out STAB is nice but situational so not having it STAB isn't the worst thing ever, it just depends.

[worthy anvil]

Just searched for dark mons w/ the best HP/SpD stats since Ambipom seemed like it’d be a bad head

[jaunty geode]

but ambipom would make it so frail what are you trying to run

[worthy anvil]

My team was based on the idea that I’d be switching Pokémon a lot since they all have volt-switch/u-turn/parting shot, so I figured I’d get more mileage out of fake out than usual

[brisk pebble]

You should be focusing on improving ambipom's offensive options
Metagross was chosen the earlier example set becuz it provided double iron bash, which is technician boosted as well
Bulk to Ambipom won't fix how frail it is. Instead, focus on improving its offensive options

[halcyon garden]

Like Weavile

[worthy anvil]

Any suggestions for mons that pair well w/ it? I thought dark might be good for the boost to pursuit and the coverage against ghost types

Not convinced on Metagross since double iron bash has lower accuracy right?

[worthy anvil]

What moves does it offer than Ambipom doesn’t get? /gen

[brisk pebble]

Idk, lying on my bed atm... gonna sleep, maybe someone else can help

[brisk pebble]

Also no, 100% accuracy

[worthy anvil]

No worries, rest well ^^

[halcyon garden]

I was thinking stats personally since Ambipom is somewhat slow

[worthy anvil]

Ooh gotcha, that does make it a lot more appealing ^^

[jaunty geode]

from weavile?

[halcyon garden]

There's a lot of interesting moves like priority, Swift for doubles with a mixed attacker, multi hit moves with high accuracy like Bullet Seed, Icy Wind, Beat Up, Force Palm, Snarl, Struggle Bug, Water Pulse, etc.

Was the biggest draw for Ambipom the STAB Fake Out?

[upper granite]

any good gliscore fusiosn?

[halcyon garden]

Tons but what are you wanting?

[halcyon garden]

Also means Bullet Punch STAB too

[upper granite]

idk, im looking for a good ground type

[halcyon garden]

You can always use this site (https://infinitefusiondex.com/) and just type Gliscor into the Pokémon section and scroll through. It would usually have to be a Gliscor head

I person ally love Poison Heal Gliscor sets but a Gliscor Clefable with Magic Guard could be interesting. Ground Fairy doesn't exist outside of IF

[upper granite]

is gliscore body or head

[halcyon garden]

Head, if Gliscor is the body it gives Flying

The reverse is a Fairy Flying but no Magic Guard (but can get Poison Heal)

[upper granite]

like this?

[halcyon garden]

Yeah, that's the correct fusion for that typing and ability.

[outer steeple]

I'm not good at competitive team-building in general, I have a support mon, 2 main sweepers 2 all-rounders and one tank. Am I missing anything?

[upper granite]

isnt slaking banned

[outer steeple]

Not in the one I validated

[jaunty geode]

there playing doubles

[upper granite]

ok

[worthy anvil]

Stab technician fake out was the main draw yes ^^; Though the fact that it gets pursuit, beat up, thief*, knock off, double iron bash, and u-turn also helped

I was also hoping that between screens, intimidates, and parting shots, it could potentially survive a non fighting attack, but I wasn’t exactly planning on it ever happening either ^^;

[halcyon garden]

Why not Persian instead then? OR use any Pokémon that has Technician and isn't a Normal type and Fuse it with a better Normal type that gets Fake Out? Mr. Mime Kangaskhan comes to mind

[halcyon garden]

Rectify that with a Ghost typing secondary and you're good

Or Fairy secondary

[worthy anvil]

Literally the only reason is it was the first thing that came to mind because I’m not good at this