showdown-teambuilding

[west locust]

[lavish robin]

[dreamy lion]

You need a hard Pixelate Boomburst counter

[pearl nacelle]

unfun

[willow fulcrum]

my pixilate boomburst counter is sticky web + my own pixilate boombuster

[hushed junco]

[hexed girder]

just have something with soundproof

[dreamy lion]

[willow fulcrum]

ice punch soundproof dusknoir beats sylvern 🥴

[hushed junco]

dusknoir gets soundproof?

these are the three soundproof users in IF

[willow fulcrum]

now it does

[dreamy lion]

What a lad

[willow fulcrum]

*soundproof duskode ice beam beats sylvern mb

[dreamy lion]

And that helps with taking a STAB Extreme Speed

[willow fulcrum]

istg STAB extreme speed is a menace to society

you basically need a steel or a ghost to deal with it

[hushed junco]

adapt E.speed is a menace

[west locust]

Bastiodon can find their first niche ever thanks to being able to not be rock and getting actual moves through fusion

[willow fulcrum]

pixilate extreme speed is so hard to switch into as well

[hushed junco]

bastiodons steel type helps it out tremendously in fusions

[west locust]

Okay when are we adding bruxish into the game so that we can use Dazzling as an ability?

[willow fulcrum]

pair a pixilate e speed user with a ground type and you can remove most fairy resists then just e speed everything

like dragmag but without the dragons and magnet pull

[dreamy lion]

So, OU meta threats to contend with:
Pixelate Boomburst
STAB Extreme Speed
...

[whole yacht]

I think there's other adaptability mons yet to be discovered that will be core threats too

[hushed junco]

[whole yacht]

I've been running gengon-z and though i think I need to tweek the set results are promising

[willow fulcrum]

adaptability and pixilate are the two biggest threats in the OU meta rn

[dreamy lion]

and you need Stallbreakers, Pokemon are a lot THICKER than usual

[hushed junco]

[willow fulcrum]

tbh magnet pull is really good for removing ferrothron fusions and steels in general

I've been using magnet pull on my team to remove steels and it works really well

inb4 people start running shed shell on their steels

u turn and volt switch are also good options to escape magnet pull for anyone who wants defensive counterplay around that

[west locust]

gengar in IF still has Levitate, no?

[willow fulcrum]

nope

[hushed junco]

it does not

[willow fulcrum]

they took his levitate, can't have shit in kanto

[hushed junco]

sadly

Would make Gengar/Jolteon much better

[hexed girder]

seems like a good soundproof user

scald wish

[willow fulcrum]

don't mind me just gonna start running thunder on my magnet pull clefable magneone /j

[hexed girder]

magic coat it is

[west locust]

I can't believe Daena lied to me smh smh

😔

[willow fulcrum]

came up with a pretty fun aurorus noivern set if only it was good 😔

[rocky radish]

Firstn't

[willow fulcrum]

also shift gear is a menace to society

absolutely insane boosting move

shift gear haxorus is no joke

[dreamy lion]

Trick Room, or Web support, but the Rock typing is rough

[willow fulcrum]

isn't it always

[west locust]

[willow fulcrum]

and web is pretty good in this meta tbh

[whole yacht]

As long as we're sharing mons that are fun but not QUITE good enough to get there

[west locust]

so Gengar does get levitate, interesting

They would need to patch that I assume

[willow fulcrum]

oh hey I played against you on ladder yesterday

that was a pretty clever set

[whole yacht]

Thanks! I've kinda stopped using it but I think I owe it another shot

Maybe I just need to pick my moves to better line up against the meta

Not sure thunderbolt hits enough

[willow fulcrum]

you might want to run specs over white herb for the extra power

or life orb and a coverage option to hit grass and fire resists over tbolt

[whole yacht]

Life orb could work. I actually had this mon in my single player nuzlock and ran life orb on it since I didn't have unburden ofc

[dreamy lion]

Speed Boost being banned made this guy unplayable, anyone want to help make a ~~usable set/~~randbat set for this guy?

[snow pike]

Shouldn't it be switched to get ice stab

[willow fulcrum]

it has worse stats when switched 😔

[snow pike]

Is it that much worse?

Although it'd have a 4x weakness to stealth rock too

special walls with weezing, i have a hard time choosing one

Scizor is the only steel type with reliable recovery whilst jirachi has to rely on wish, probopass has to rely on leftovers but can also run assault vest max spa

[strange acorn]

Seems like whoever did the balancing didn't watch Pokemon Challenges

[stiff gate]

People havr been using Prankster + broken status for a bit

Liking whimsicott + drifblim, can't wait to see some klefki combos

[brisk pebble]

Then a Dark type rolls around and ignores everything it does

[strange acorn]

I mean, you're unlikely to face a mono dark team

[west locust]

I'm pretty sure Prankster + Spore is being talked about to be banned soon

[snow pike]

In natdex ag you can use prankster shed tail

Orthworm+Sableye funny

Has recover as well

[strange acorn]

Natdex IF sounds funny

[patent hatch]

It sounds like a death sentence

[stiff gate]

Aegislash + Bliss is one thing I'm surprised I dont see more of

Unless its banned ig

[strange acorn]

true lmao, but have no idea how this whole showdown server is gonna be balanced, the system appeals to brokenness

[snow pike]

blissey is ubers

[strange acorn]

quick question

I know it works like this in the main game
but in the showdown, do exclusive items works regardless of which way the fusion is ?

for instance, does this work ?

[patent hatch]

And Aegislash too lol

[brisk pebble]

Oh, nvm

i didn't filter by IF OU

[supple hinge]

i believe for them to work it needs to be the body of the fusion?

[strange acorn]

oh yeah right
and it doesn't matter since pikachu has passable speed anyways, so that's cool

[craggy remnant]

Which one do yall think is best?

[muted oar]

Any dark type:

[muted oar]

The bottom by far

[strange acorn]

lmao just because something is countered sometimes doesn't make it balanced

[whole yacht]

If only we had gen9 rapid spin

[craggy remnant]

i miss something we never had

boots

[muted oar]

Granted assault vest being legal is a mistake

[craggy remnant]

why?

[slow junco]

i'm pretty ignorant so idk why this is bad
is it just because rock/dragon has a million weaknesses or is it also something else

[willow fulcrum]

99 base special attack

it's not hitting hard enough

[slow junco]

oof

[torn tartan]

the stat bars feel so unreliable to look at lol

[grizzled reef]

What should their final two moves be?

[fringe solstice]

the site should probably be pinned and/or put on the header here for convenience

[torn tartan]

its pinned in #showdown-general

would be cool pinned in #showdown-announcements instead

[grizzled reef]

Okay, I put body press on it too but I still need help with the final move

[muted oar]

It's unobtainable in game

[torn tartan]

got any buffing moves?

[grizzled reef]

Assault Vest :I

[craggy remnant]

didn't know, but I think they went for which gen we're in

[hushed junco]

@red spear could you edit your #showdown-announcements message to include the showdown link?

and also pin it

actually, pinning it isn't the best idea (message too long, would take more space )

[muted oar]

It's based on gen 7, but there's still things in gen 7 that aren't in the game, like Z moves, and several move tutors

[hushed junco]

just bookmark the site

[grizzled reef]

I can't use buffing moves bc of assault vest, any other suggestions?

[craggy remnant]

second this, but these discussions should be in the general tab tho

[torn tartan]

nobody reads pins but at least we have a place thats easy to point to when someone asks

[hushed junco]

damn, I just got rule4'd and in a correct way, mbmb

[torn tartan]

im out of ideas

[craggy remnant]

body press?

[muted oar]

Huh? It's let's you use body press?

[craggy remnant]

is it in the game?

[hushed junco]

what is this mon supposed to do

what role does it serve in your team

[torn tartan]

good idea Theusin

[hushed junco]

since you're going for A.vest

go for coverage

look at your team, look at what's popular

work around that

[grizzled reef]

Do lots of damage and maybe sacrifice itself if something goes wrong

[torn tartan]

explosion

[hushed junco]

steelix/lucario

[craggy remnant]

MR PRESIDENT GET DOWN

[hushed junco]

curious fusion

[grizzled reef]

Not really any point in doing that bc I have final gambit

[torn tartan]

steelix?

[hushed junco]

registeel

[craggy remnant]

yeah, good question, is regi that good in def attack stat?

[rapid glade]

Final gambit depends on your hp though

[hushed junco]

I fuck those two up

[torn tartan]

skill issue tbh

[hushed junco]

[grizzled reef]

I know, it has good defence and hp

[hushed junco]

kinda mid stats

[grizzled reef]

So either way it would do lots of damage

[hushed junco]

compared to what's available

in terms of "damage" dealing

[torn tartan]

its ok, real players win with their favorites

[hushed junco]

I am the meta player here

[craggy remnant]

pachirisu time

[hushed junco]

I won't suggest you to use cool sprites anymore

that's in #general

[grizzled reef]

They are supposed to be kinda cheesy too since both of the current moves I have on it (besides final gambit) do damage based on stats

[hushed junco]

here? gotta squeeze out every last stat possible

[torn tartan]

the worst example ever used but nobody knows it lmao

[craggy remnant]

good sprites? nah
Lapapex (Lapras) @ Leftovers
Ability: Regenerator
Fusion: Toxapex
EVs: 252 HP / 84 Def / 172 SpD
Careful Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Block
• Perish Song
• Recover
• Scald

[hushed junco]

depending on what mon you block in

this can get easily killed

before perish song does it's thing

[craggy remnant]

any comp head knows about pachi

[hushed junco]

why use scald if it's going to die regardless

I'd go for protect over it

to lock in it for longer

[torn tartan]

give it power up punch to offset your lower attack, no issues here now :clueless:

[hushed junco]

• higher chance of survival

[torn tartan]

(I wish we had clueless on this server)

[hushed junco]

Make a sprite for it

[muted oar]

Can anyone test if it actually lets you use body press?

[hushed junco]

and I'll think abou it

[hushed junco]

on what

oh lol

[craggy remnant]

i stole it from the team i lost against yesterday

[hushed junco]

My line of thinking is, if you're going to use perish song

[craggy remnant]

from the guy on top of the OU ladder

[hushed junco]

why have scald

protect, recover, block, perish

I need to build a new team, I have a few contenders

[grizzled reef]

Decided to choose Drain Punch as the final move bc 1. had no ideas and 2. might help out with using final gambit effectively

What should I nickname them

[hushed junco]

Regicario (Registeel) @ Assault Vest
Ability: Clear Body
Fusion: Lucario
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Impish Nature

• Final Gambit
• Meteor Mash
• Bullet Punch
• Drain Punch

[jaunty geode]

What

[torn tartan]

Call it Lucarsteel to confuse the opponent

[hushed junco]

dont ask me

I don't find that to be useful

[craggy remnant]

what does clear body do?

[hushed junco]

as there are better mon fusions for that purpose

[hushed junco]

prevents stat changes

e.g. intimidate

[craggy remnant]

doesn't seem very useful in singles

[hushed junco]

it works only on the mon that has it

yeah, kinda garbo

[grizzled reef]

It is impish

[craggy remnant]

what does it do? lol

[hushed junco]

• def

-sp.a

[grizzled reef]

Well jeez dude, I barely play competitive

Don't have to be so hard on me

[hushed junco]

huh

I am not hard on you

[craggy remnant]

Btw this thing has been a manace in my matches:

[hushed junco]

if my messages looked like it

then I am sorry

garbo is just my opinion on the mon itself

[brisk pebble]

Milly, i have a new sun team u can add to your collection if u want it?

[hushed junco]

sure

dm it to me or smth

[jaunty geode]

Why not a privty move?

[hushed junco]

neither get a prio move?

[craggy remnant]

good question, on scald?

scald is not very good in singles, is it? (i'm learning compmon)

[muted oar]

Okay cool

[torn tartan]

burn is always awesome

[muted oar]

It shouldn't exist so

[jaunty geode]

Not like U-turn

[craggy remnant]

?

[jaunty geode]

It very important same power under rain is hydro

[rapid glade]

U turn isnt priority
It switches you out

However scald is always good

[jaunty geode]

I know I can’t spell

[craggy remnant]

is there a way to filter prio moves in showdown?

[jaunty geode]

Privoty

[torn tartan]

quick attack is priority so use that

[craggy remnant]

oh

[rapid glade]

Pivot moves?

[jaunty geode]

IM NOT TALKING ABOUT PRIOITY IM TALKING ABOUT SWITCHING

yes thank you

Omg I hate dyxlyia

[torn tartan]

does zapdos learn volt switch?

cause then you got stab

[red spear]

Yes

[slim mesa]

yeah

[jaunty geode]

And turn

[torn tartan]

yeah

[rapid glade]

Volt switch is stab, but u turn cant be blocked by ground types
So take your pick

Id say try it over hydro pump, since scald has better utility, and you still have thunder which is a big hit

[torn tartan]

ground type on a water type in rain?

bold choice if the opponent does that

[rapid glade]

The rotom wash tango

[slim mesa]

Surprised to see people run with Zapdos instead of Raikou, I remember Raikou doing a good amount just better

[torn tartan]

Bird > dog/cat thing

[slim mesa]

How so?

[torn tartan]

no I just meant design wise

[slim mesa]

Ah

[rapid glade]

Depends
Zapdos has better defense and special attack
While raikou has better special defense and speed

As heads (both electric) theyre probably interchangeable tbh

Since on this set their utility moves like zapdos roost vs raikou calm mind dont come into play

[torn tartan]

I think people just pick Zapdos cause OU

and raikou is RU

[grizzled reef]

What is a fast electric mon? Planning on maybe running drizzle and thunder

[torn tartan]

not that pokemon ranks matter as much by themselves now

Dancer for example is OP in doubles when not on loser oricorio

[torn tartan]

fast electric? gotta be electrode then

[grizzled reef]

K

[jaunty geode]

Don’t

[torn tartan]

[grizzled reef]

Also, does damp rock work with drizzle or....

[rapid glade]

Yes

[grizzled reef]

Ooo nice

[slim mesa]

Jolteon gives a lot of speed and special attack...but nothing else really

[grizzled reef]

Electrode is faster tho

[slim mesa]

Fair, don't know if you'd scarf or not

[muted oar]

Well, depends what the purpose of the fusion is

[muted oar]

A LOT of speed

[hushed junco]

why does blaziken have defog

[torn tartan]

blaziken is a bird, and birds can use their wings to defog the area

[rapid glade]

Shoutouts conkeldurr
My true defog goat

[torn tartan]

the logic is perfect

[snow pike]

He uses the concrete to defog

[grizzled reef]

Froge (Politoed) @ Damp Rock
Ability: Drizzle
Tera Type: Water
Fusion: Electrode
EVs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature

• Thunder
• Scald
• Explosion
• Ice Beam

Opinions?

[jaunty geode]

No explosion

[grizzled reef]

Explosion for the funnys

[snow pike]

By slamming the air hard enough for the fog to be defog'd

Give it volt switch

[rapid glade]

Modest uninvested explosion with those stats isnt doing anything

[grizzled reef]

Froge (Politoed) @ Damp Rock
Ability: Drizzle
Tera Type: Water
Fusion: Electrode
EVs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Thunder
• Scald
• Volt Switch
• Ice Beam

Better?

[snow pike]

yee

How much speed does it have?

Like the base stat

[snow pike]

depending on that you want the nature to be modest or whatever +spe -atk is

[grizzled reef]

It already is modest

[snow pike]

Actually could you show all the stats

123 speed gets outran by
Uh
Idk there's too many Pokémon lol

[snow pike]

fair enough

If you get outran alot you might want to try +speed -atk

[grizzled reef]

K

[muted oar]

There's very very few

[grizzled reef]

I am of course gonna run a Sylveon/Noivern. Used quite alot but thats because it's op

[muted oar]

It's pretty damn good

[snow pike]

yeah this meta doesn't have many fast pokemon

[grizzled reef]

What moves should I give it? (Besides boomburst)

[snow pike]

Gotta watch out for basically only scarfers

[snow pike]

U-Turn flamethrower draco meteor

Or dragon pulse

[jaunty geode]

Or hidden power ground

[snow pike]

Flamethrower is for steel types

[grizzled reef]

Okie

What about the item

[snow pike]

specs or scarf

[jaunty geode]

Spec scarf life orb

[snow pike]

scarf to revenge kill stuff

specs to break through everything

Life orb to respond to steel switchins

[grizzled reef]

But if I use scarf or specs then I can only use one move and so the other moves are basically useless

[jaunty geode]

What?

You switch out

[snow pike]

you can just spam the move and switch when threatened

[grizzled reef]

wait, that works??

[jaunty geode]

And it resets

[grizzled reef]

Huh

[jaunty geode]

Yes

[grizzled reef]

I didn't know that

[snow pike]

And U-Turn is when you want to position yourself or fake a boomburst

[grizzled reef]

AAAAAAAAA (Sylveon) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Pixilate
Tera Type: Fairy
Fusion: Noivern
Alt: a
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 Spe

• Boomburst
• U-turn
• Flamethrower
• Draco Meteor

Perfect name

[hushed junco]

not going for speed

curious

[jaunty geode]

Why hp

[hushed junco]

Sylveon/Noivern is more of a sweeper

than a bulky mon

[grizzled reef]

AAAAAAAAA (Sylveon) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Pixilate
Tera Type: Fairy
Fusion: Noivern
Alt: a
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

• Boomburst
• U-turn
• Flamethrower
• Draco Meteor

[rapid glade]

Btw if u are choiced you should probably stick to draco meteor

Better immediate power, and two dracos combined still do more than two dragon pulses even with the special attack drop

[hushed junco]

[snow pike]

Yeah, it's just Draco meteor has 40% accuracy for me

[rapid glade]

[grizzled reef]

https://pokepast.es/9018aededc15e80a This is my current team. Anything I should change? What should my last mon be?

[jaunty geode]

Is your hp stat odd or even

[snow pike]

Intimidate on salamenc

[brittle egret]

Showdown IF is the best thing ever ima hop on

[snow pike]

I've literally never seen an even HP stat without evs is that even possible

[grizzled reef]

Okie

Any suggestions for my last mon tho?

[snow pike]

thick fat is probably also nice for the 2nd pokemon

But either works

You'd probably want something that can abuse rain

For your last Pokémon

Something with swift swim

[muted oar]

It's pretty cool

[grizzled reef]

Like what

[muted oar]

I feel like there should be a tier between AG and OU, just make an ubers tier

[snow pike]

idk, look up what has it

not sure if there's good options in if?

[jaunty geode]

Kaboteds

[snow pike]

Kabutops yeah

qwilfish

[torn tartan]

I want a tier below

I want some UU, not Ubers

[grizzled reef]

And what should I fuse it with

[nova willow]

i want LC

[jaunty geode]

They main showdown guy say not comeing any time soon

[rapid glade]

LC3's true purpose revealled

[jaunty geode]

I think that has been mentioned

[snow pike]

Probably something with high attack and coverage

And then give it liquidation

oo maybe something with crabhammer

[grizzled reef]

I need a fire mon tbh

I only have a singular fire move and it is on my sylveon/noivern

[snow pike]

But you have rain

[grizzled reef]

Oh right

Perhaps ghost?

[jaunty geode]

Why ghost type

[grizzled reef]

I dont have ghost type moves on pokemon on my team yet

plus, immunities

and spooki

[muted oar]

Could water spout spam be good?

In rain you've got 338 power at full health

[grizzled reef]

Does big root work with life dew?

Okay, turns out it doesn't

Aqua ring it is

[jaunty geode]

What is this for

[grizzled reef]

Something

[jaunty geode]

No like Pokémon

[grizzled reef]

you'll see

1 sec

Waterlog (Chandelure) @ Big Root
Ability: Rain Dish
Tera Type: Water
Fusion: Blastoise
Alt: b
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

• Water Spout
• Poltergeist
• Curse
• Aqua Ring

Water spout spamming

:)

[jaunty geode]

I your cooking as set the kitchen on fire

[grizzled reef]

https://pokepast.es/b011eb991646f537

[grizzled reef]

H u h

[jaunty geode]

Big root is for healing moves like giga drain

Why curse

Is it ghost type

[grizzled reef]

But it works with aqua ring

I looked it up

[grizzled reef]

Yes

[jaunty geode]

Even still chandelure is so frail that by the type your set up your dead

[jaunty geode]

Then you half your health is just gone

[grizzled reef]

Hmmm, would Cofagrigus be any better?

[jaunty geode]

No there a reason bulky mons don’t run water spouts over other moves like hydro or surf

Just put on scarf or spec and call it a day

[grizzled reef]

But this

Thats alotta damage

[jaunty geode]

That doesn’t change if have spec or scarf

[grizzled reef]

But still, 338 power, plus stab

Its what the mon is mainly based around

[jaunty geode]

Yes but your so slow thag if you get hit it stoping it a lot

[muted oar]

No 338 power includes STAB. It's 150 BP+STAB+Rain

[jaunty geode]

How that math work out

It’s 337

Round down

[whole yacht]

In honor of reaching top 10 in OU ladder, I'm gonna share the mon that has lowkey carried me all the way there. I can't say enough good things about them, so versetile, just zeroes out some mons, can tank boomburst after only 1 calm mind (sometimes even without any), just so good.

[muted oar]

Pretty sure it rounds up

[jaunty geode]

The math rounds up but do gamefreak is will always round down

[muted oar]

Why not use roost instead of moonlight? Doesn't the latter make you vulnerable to sand/rain/hail?

[whole yacht]

Because I forgot this thing could get roost LOL\

thank you

[muted oar]

I didn't know if you had a sun team in that case it'd be better than roost

[whole yacht]

Understandable but yeah, no weather.

[muted oar]

Okay then with roost it's more broken lol

[whole yacht]

Marginally, it's only ever come up once in all the time i've been using it

but yes the mon is very very good, though I think that's cause ppl just think it has magic guard

and just calm mind into it for like 3 turns

I'm hoping to correct that by posting it LMAO

[muted oar]

To be fair it only has 2 resists

So it probably doesn't have a ton of switch ins

[whole yacht]

I switch into random special moves, this thing just eats them

[muted oar]

Yeah it wouldn't make a difference often unless the meta shift towards weather

[muted oar]

Scarfff

[jaunty geode]

He not running scarf

[grizzled reef]

I just won a battle!!!

[jaunty geode]

There running big root

[grizzled reef]

And only 1 of my mons fainted!

[muted oar]

I'm so confused by this set

[prime eagle]

impossible!

[grizzled reef]

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=lyrebirdrainwing-pevetos-1700339482193

There we go

See for yourself

:D

[muted oar]

Ewwwww doubles

[grizzled reef]

The opponent asked for doubles

Not my doing

[muted oar]

Why would you purposely make a defensive Ice/Steel type

[slim mesa]

based typing honestly

Gonna instantly explode against the 3 most popular offensive typings

[grizzled reef]

They are much better than you would expect

And Registeel/Lucario is AWESOME

Crazy bulk

[slim mesa]

https://pokepast.es/60e63d5f80ddf721
Made Sticky Web offense...Sticky Web doesn't trigger as much as you'd like, but when it does you are free to do whatever you want

If there are questions or suggestions I'd love to answer them

[grizzled reef]

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=mrgasmask1290-lyrebirdrainwing-1700340646214 I won a game again (On my second try)

[muted oar]

Yes

@slim mesa why inner focus? Block fake out leads or something?

[slim mesa]

No better ability tbh, but yes.

That way, I'm save from everything

[muted oar]

Wait so again, why moonlight instead of roost? Any weather is gonna ruin your recovery absent sun

[slim mesa]

Fair, I actually just now changed it to Soft-Boiled

[snow pike]

This thing is good no joke

[slim mesa]

Looks like it'd lose to a lot...but who am I to tell...

[broken wyvern]

https://pokepast.es/3b0163dd5f9ada28 not much but hey i want to build upon these set of freaks

[muted nimbus]

I made something stupidly funny

scrappy explosion

[broken wyvern]

THAT DEMO'S A BLOODEH LANDORUS!

[muted nimbus]

You got the reference

Caberknight even

[slim mesa]

Someone likes Expert Belt...

[broken wyvern]

oh shit i just now noticed that Zaptula was not using choice specs

[slim mesa]

Also, I think Sceptile hurts Talonflame quite a bit...

[broken wyvern]

do you have a suggestion on what would be a better grass flying?/gen

[slim mesa]

...does it have to be a grass flying for a reason?

[muted oar]

Well you're right you could use both its basically the same

[broken wyvern]

,,,good point.

[muted oar]

A very slow swords dance user with no priority, and 90/75/66 defenses sounds horrendous

Acrobatics+unburden shenanigans on talonflame could be good

[slim mesa]

If it has to be a Grass/Flying, I'd say Breloom serves as a better part just because you already have priority on Brave Bird so you want to maximize attack...also you get a second priority move in Mach Punch

[snow pike]

it has priority in sucker punch and ice shard if needed

And thick fat makes it super bulky to fire moves

With reliable recovery

[robust rapids]

would probably work better with chlorophyll on a sun team

[muted oar]

Maybe Torterra/Aerodactyl? Would get recoil-less wood hammer and be decently fast iirc

[broken wyvern]

ill give that a go then!

[muted oar]

Well it's not STAB, and you wouldn't get many chances to set up because your defenses syck

[muted oar]

Not really. It just means it's neutral to them

[snow pike]

yeah i meant more like it can take koes with eq because there's a chance they won't expect thick fat

[glossy onyx]

My team is so bad

[snow pike]

it's not exactly bulky in any ways
But I've used it on screens so idk

[wooden lance]

now that we have showdown i can queue and lose with my full FF jobs team that i made the sprites

[muted oar]

Electrode+Soundproof is gonna become the meta

If Noivern boomburst spam continues lol

[broken wyvern]

tbf we have been hearing a lot of loud noises

and i doubt thats stopping anytime soon.

might as well get the a pokemon fusion with built in earplugs

[wide sparrow]

Isn't like ghost a counter to this?

[muted oar]

Yeah I mean you have 3 pokemon with neutral natures lol

[muted oar]

No. Because the move could be Ice, Fairy, or Normal type depending on the fusion

Usually the first two

And ice/Fairy have resist, but no immunities

[hollow heath]

I think registeel fusions are going to become much more popular to counter it, since it resists all three options

[broken wyvern]

NGL i was SO fucking tempted to use wide lens for shits n' giggles but i went against it

[halcyon garden]

Wouldn't any Chansey or Blissey fusion check this too? And most Steel types

[slim mesa]

Both are in Ubers

[halcyon garden]

Head AND Body?

Damn

[slim mesa]

Pokemons are banned, not parts

[broken wyvern]

Koga's Chansey/muk was just an example to why.

[slim mesa]

But Noivern doesn't need a counter, start running revenge killers you dummies

[halcyon garden]

I think the Black Sludge really put it over the top but yes, that thing is a monster.

[pseudo rain]

guys

what is the website for the rom download

[slim mesa]

You mean the base game...?

[pseudo rain]

beasically ver 6.0

Havent updated it in a while :/

[robust rapids]

#downloads

[pseudo rain]

no

[robust rapids]

scroll up to get to the game download

[pseudo rain]

I need version 6.0

it only has 1.6

[robust rapids]

1.6 is the launcher version

download the launcher to download the game

[pseudo rain]

I have the game

but how do I update it

I think I have 3.1

[robust rapids]

I don't think a version that old can be updated, but this isnt the channel to be asking in lol

[pseudo rain]

lol

well

None of the fusion spirtes are working :/

[robust rapids]

you can try the alternate installer in the infinitefusion.zip in-between the 2 posts in downloads

[wide sparrow]

Can you please go to #general or #tech-support, this isn't the channel to ask how to download the game

[hushed junco]

how do you get so lost

also, not #general

#gameplay-help

general can be used for game help, but #gameplay-help is preferred

[robust rapids]

Torterneon @ Leftovers
Ability: Defiant
EVs: 48 HP / 208 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Synthesis
• Flare Blitz
• Swords Dance
• Wood Hammer
  Underated mon can easily sweep games with power speed and bulk

[hushed junco]

triples are criminally overlooked

[slim mesa]

Triples are highly limited
One of the big things here is no one knows what you are gonna do...triple fusions make it easy to tell

[hushed junco]

well tbh, the more I spectate

[robust rapids]

??? you know they fixed their movepools

[hushed junco]

the more I can recognise basically everything there is

[slim mesa]

Fair

[hushed junco]

[slim mesa]

Movepool isn't really what I mean

[hushed junco]

Sylveon/Noivern is truly OU

it sees a ton of use

[slim mesa]

Please touch grass

[hushed junco]

same with porygon

[hushed junco]

this aint even the full thing, I close them once I get too much

[slim mesa]

Oh no...

[hushed junco]

but my thought process is to see what's used a lot, copy some of the better sets and then go into the ladder and fix my 50% win ratio

[slim mesa]

I mean, that's what I did with half of my teams

[robust rapids]

what do you mean by this, atleast with the sinnoh triple fusion there are a lot of ways it can be played

[slim mesa]

Thanks for Jitei

[hushed junco]

gathering the cool stuff

[slim mesa]

Abilties, Typing, Role

[slim mesa]

Curious what you did with Sandslash...didn't quite figure out what really wants Thousand Arrows

[hushed junco]

Gliscor

[slim mesa]

That's a neat one

[hushed junco]

it loses some stats

but also gets the ability to damage flying types

[jaunty geode]

post them and pin so peolpe new to this have sets to use

[hushed junco]

but that'd ruin the fun of theory crafting

[broken wyvern]

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=ontariooshawott-wiralon-1700345084640 hm i might actually go for torterra/aero instead

[hushed junco]

also a lot of those are strictly "proof of concept"

just 2 mons attached to eachother without any moves

[jaunty geode]

arguably it leds to more theoty crafting

[hushed junco]

I submitted a lot of those into randbat tho

[robust rapids]

being "limited" isn't a bad thing when what it does is so strong

[slim mesa]

Oh, it absolutely is.

Everyone can do everything and you need to deal with it

[stiff gate]

I'll probably post a bunch of fun sets later today

Thinking maybe 40-50 interesting combos

[hushed junco]

if you want a "popular" set

Sylcario (Sylveon) @ Leftovers
Ability: Pixilate
Fusion: Lucario
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Extreme Speed
• Blaze Kick
• Swords Dance
• Explosion

don't mind that last move

it's a placeholder

[stiff gate]

Discount Misty Explosion is still good lol

[hushed junco]

neither of those learn explosion

hence "placeholder"

[stiff gate]

Oh, my bad

[slim mesa]

Btw, how did you put so much in a "team"?

[stiff gate]

There's a "box" variant

[hushed junco]

^

it hold 30 mons iirc

24 actually

[stiff gate]

Lets you fill up an archivr with a buncha sets you want to keep for documentation purposes

[robust rapids]

no one can make a single team that does everything, so why bother thinking like that

[hushed junco]

https://pokepast.es/5b4affe5505807c5

mono-bellossom whilst it was still private

had some fun with Vin

[slim mesa]

Because I did °<°

[robust rapids]

fire/water/grass is also an amazing typing anyways, cant be burned, cant be spored, rock weakness kinda sucks but you can play around it

[hushed junco]

rock flying and poison

to be exact

2 of which are not very common in the ladder

hell, even offensive poison moves are not that common

as fairy/steel runs rampant

having a ghost type for the e.speed switch in is somehwat required

[stiff gate]

Do we have numbers on what format people prefer so far?

[hushed junco]

as well as a switch in for fairy types

as those two are very common nowadays

[stiff gate]

Looks pretty even so far

[alpine wigeon]

hey how does the team previews work on showdown im trying to figure out how good illusion is

[hushed junco]

you go into the game

you choose your party layout

[alpine wigeon]

or how bad, depending on the answer

[hushed junco]

I think it's :

1. Starting mon
2. Party layout

[robust rapids]

I've found ferrothorn rocky helmet sets eat the E-speed spammers up

[stiff gate]

Having a bulky ghost also helps a lot

[alpine wigeon]

so my opponent can see all this?

[hushed junco]

Snorclops (Snorlax) @ Eviolite
Ability: Immunity
Fusion: Dusclops
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpD

• Body Slam
• Will-O-Wisp
• Explosion
• Self-Destruct

[hushed junco]

no

[alpine wigeon]

awsome

[hushed junco]

doesnt have much utility sadly

as it doesnt get any recovery moves besides rest

otherwise, very bulky

[stiff gate]

Drifblim sets are nice for Strength Sap at least

Not great stats wise unless you can find lotsa def and sdef elsewhere

[hushed junco]

this move is stupid

I think something like this

[red spear]

Drifblim also gets it

with much better bulk

[robust rapids]

Suireloom (Suicune) @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
Fusion: Breloom
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature

• Spore
• Protect
• Focus Punch
• Waterfall
  goofy set I thought of

[hushed junco]

nevermind

knock off

This was fun

[stiff gate]

Dammit, really wish Disguise was banned instead of Mimikyu

[hushed junco]

what's the point of running mimikyu without it's ability?

[alpine wigeon]

drip

[hushed junco]

[stiff gate]

Rock Fairy fusion for Diamomd Storm

Lemme whip up a set rq

[hushed junco]

diamond storm is not exclusive to rock/fairy

[robust rapids]

substitute probably better than protect for suicune/breloom actually

[red spear]

Diamond Storm is for Rock/Fairy, Rock/Steel, Steelix, or Dialga fusions

[stiff gate]

Tyrankyu (Tyranitar)
Ability: Sand Stream
Fusion: Mimikyu
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Dragon Dance
• Diamond Storm
• Earthquake
• Play Rough

I know, it's more for reliable stab

[hushed junco]

diamond storm is rock type tho

[stiff gate]

On the set I posted, I mean

[hushed junco]

I suppose

this mon was such a menace

back when it was fairy/steel

[stiff gate]

Fairy Ground is still solid, but less so

[hushed junco]

Sabrina has it in modern

[robust rapids]

a more evil wobbuffet fusion

[robust rapids]

how tf a pair of keys learn defog

[hushed junco]

good question

[stiff gate]

Only good physical fairy stats in the tier rn is granbull

And that thing is 50 base speed or something

[hushed junco]

yeah

we don't have a single good physical fairy type

[ancient wadi]

Inspiration: Salazzle (plz don't judge me, i'm a noob)

[hushed junco]

this mon has no need for speed

with that set

[alpine wigeon]

what's a poison type with a good move pool? dont ask why

[hushed junco]

gengar

ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[glossy onyx]

Crobat

[hushed junco]

[glossy onyx]

And venomoth

[robust rapids]

will-o-wisping before getting hit is better

scolipede is still pretty good even without speedboost, gets t-spikes and normal spikes while being able to hit back

[glossy onyx]

That’s mine lol

[hushed junco]

as I said, I spectate a lot

[glossy onyx]

I got destroyed

[hushed junco]

I know

I should make OU v8

and start actually climbing the ladder

[stiff gate]

Eyeing up natdex ou

[sterile glacier]

Is there a list somewhere of what the current rules and bans are for each format?

[hushed junco]

actually

[stiff gate]

IF pokemon pool + actual reasonable banlist makes for some annoying restrictions

Collateral damage

[hushed junco]

Abilities banned from OU :

Speed boost
Shadow Tag
Arena Trap
Imposter
Huge Power
Snow Cloak
Sand Veil

Items banned from OU :

Light ball
Thick Club
King's Rock
Bright Powder | Lax Incense | Razor Fang

Moves banned from OU :

Baton Pass
Shell Smash
Belly Drum
Spore

[hushed junco]

if you know any more, tell me

I'll edit them in

[robust rapids]

arena trap too right?

[sterile glacier]

Huh. I'm not surprised by any of those.

[robust rapids]

arena trap, belly drum and shell smash

[muted oar]

Yeah it does, it needs a fast substitute

[muted oar]

Shell smash is banned too

[robust rapids]

technically all the type gems except normal are illegal (even though they're in the game)

[hushed junco]

those are labelled "illegal"

Which is enough for me to not include it in that list

just @ me whenever something new gets banned/discovered

[robust rapids]

forgor belly drum

[rapid glade]

me trying to make a double poison heal squad and then instantly almost getting destroyed by double sylveon

only won bc the noivern slept long enough for gyarados/breloom to chip it all the way down

[sterile glacier]

Okay, I can see why most of those would be a problem, but what did Razor Fang ever do to anyone?

[robust rapids]

random flinches

i guess

[acoustic jacinth]

flinch spam isnt fun

[sterile glacier]

I thought Razor Fang boosted crit rate?

[robust rapids]

thats claw

i think

[sterile glacier]

Oh

[rapid glade]

new plan even though it loses to arcanine

[alpine wigeon]

i reckon i already know but just to be sure, does eviolite work as long as at least one half of the fusion can still evolve or does it need to be both?

[rapid glade]

only has to be one

[sterile glacier]

oh hey Sylveon's still legal. Maybe I should fix that. Ahahaha Pixilate Boomburst go whoosh

[rapid glade]

at the very least i think all these sets are good enough for randbats

[muted oar]

They're both banned

Yes steel types can be nice, but idk how great they're gonna be able to switch in on it

Maybe as a revenge kill or a clean switch

[muted oar]

Electrode gets sound proof and it's the fastest available mon too

[muted oar]

It's not a rom

[dim jackal]

Return of the king

[keen dawn]

BASED

[dim jackal]

hey yoshie the old poa replays don't work. is that bc of the client going down?

[keen dawn]

yes, they use the old client code which is no longer up on the old url sadly :/

[dim jackal]

nooooo

I was gonna post me sweeping with tera fire burn up heatran supra

[dim jackal]

context. I swept the guy in 11 turns with a tera fire heatran that is grass fire type same stats. With chlorophyll in sun

Its faster then a modest regileki

this is one of like 10 replays I have of this

[compact pebble]

Why is Heatran in there

[dim jackal]

why is heatran not there

[compact pebble]

Cuz isnt that the Infinite Fusion showdown?
And Infinite Fusion has NO Heatran

[dim jackal]

nat dex

like that garg drifblim fusion

[compact pebble]

Yeah idk what I should think about it but its theyr decision

[dim jackal]

it my main format

most people are doing if dex

But I prefer nat dex

[hexed girder]

Nat dex is for the really messed up stuff

[dim jackal]

@keen dawn is custom game gone

Ik people where doing if aaa

and they wanted custom game

[dim jackal]

Like this

Or this

[hexed girder]

Does nat dex have the tutor coded for fusions not in the if dex?

[dim jackal]

or this

[dim jackal]

Expert move tutor?

yes

[dim jackal]

like this

[hexed girder]

Guess I'll be cooking in nat dex tomorrow

[dim jackal]

Ill battle you

ping me

I just made a new team thats just abusing the tutor moves bc I was mad about getting regenerator stalled

[dim jackal]

Blunderr joined today and is doing if dex bc thats the main format. He left now tho

[hexed girder]

I'll be busy for the rest of tonight, I'll ping you tomorrow when I am good to go

[dim jackal]

cya then

[past ore]

Why is bright powder banned

This is like the only format where it is

[dim jackal]

its banned in singles

evasion clause

Standard smogon clause

[dim jackal]

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=tinatheamazing-theshawdoin-1700350765558

Tera fire brun up levels of power

[past ore]

Ah

[dim jackal]

Its a singles thing

guessing you do doubles

[past ore]

No

I thought bright powder was legal lol

[dim jackal]

all evasion boosting things are banned

[glad vector]

Yeah anything that makes the game more rng dependent is banned

[dim jackal]

also ohko clause

[glad vector]

Kings Rock

[slim mesa]

Have been off a bit, did anyone cook up something spicy?

[past ore]

Do any of you have teams I can steal ?

[alpine wigeon]

is ultra necrozma considered a separate pokemon here? its letting me select it as part of a fusion?

[dim jackal]

yes

[dim jackal]

this

[past ore]

[glad vector]

Ngl just cook

[past ore]

I suck at team building

[glad vector]

With so many options surprise factor is actually a benefit

Just do sticky webs Hyper Offense

Easy

[past ore]

Building suprise from an “expected” team is the best

I want to use balance but idk how to build balance

[dim jackal]

there is a bunch of sample teams in pokeathlon

I can give you some if you want

sent in dm;'s

[glad vector]

natdex or ou?

[past ore]

Ou

[past ore]

Pwease

[dim jackal]

Oh I only have nat dex teams. I sent 1 of them in dm's

[past ore]

Ok

[glad vector]

https://pokepast.es/08280325e8b15b07

cooked for a little bit

[slim mesa]

Spikes instead of Stealth Rock?

Oh wait, we have both...

Both?

[glad vector]

was building off a gen9 ou team i used pre-dlc

[slim mesa]

Huh...how did it do?
(Am not familiar with gen 9 meta game btw, heared it was a dumpster fire)

[glad vector]

got to the 1600 before i decided that playing gen 9 wasnt worth it

[slim mesa]

Nice

I struggle so much with making competitive teams, but it's fine because everyone else does too

Btw, how is Dragonite doing in teams? Anything good with it?

[acoustic jacinth]

dragonite extremespeed with normal type fusions are sick imo

[shadow lion]

YOOO

[acoustic jacinth]

it's got pretty beefy stats and a decent move pool so you can build it with multiple other pokes. idk how viable stuff is yet as the format is still developing.

[shadow lion]

THIS GUY TRIED TO PRANKSTER/VIA SPORE ME
AND I COUNTER WITH MY GHOST DARK POKEMON

YESSSSS

[slim mesa]

Happens a lot

[shadow lion]

i hate the prankster/spore

AG is really a mess

[slim mesa]

Not only in AG...

[acoustic jacinth]

you can prankspore in ou too

[slim mesa]

My main team has 3 darks

[acoustic jacinth]

just have a dedicated sleep talker :^)

[shadow lion]

Hmmm

What normal should i pair with dragonite?

[glad vector]

doesnt need to be a normal type

[shadow lion]

but the stab is important

[glad vector]

galvanize or pixilate is gives stab + a boost

[slim mesa]

If only Sylveon would be good...Or if Auroros wouldn't kill your typing

[acoustic jacinth]

||you could do azurill||

[glad vector]

alolan golem looks pretty good as it gives some nice attack on top

[shadow lion]

What moves should i build with it

[acoustic jacinth]

it guts the stats but you can do huge power+stab extremespeed which is cool

[slim mesa]

I think you need to switch the parts for better stats

[acoustic jacinth]

(and typing for stab)

[glad vector]

azurill/dragonite has 96 atk

[shadow lion]

adaptability is pro

[glad vector]

huge power makes that 96 into something in the 200 ranges

[acoustic jacinth]

96 attack with evs, huge power, and stab. it's effectively significantly higher, but is more all-in.

[shadow lion]

what item should i use?

[acoustic jacinth]

you get double the attack from IV/EVs with huge power.

[shadow lion]

hmmm

i'll see

[acoustic jacinth]

depends on your set, if you want to go spa/atk/mixed atk

consumable items will get you acrobatics, which is a nice stab flying move that has 110bp and works for adaptability.

[wary zodiac]

Oh are we discussing funny huge power stuff

One of my friends did a calc for something

[shadow lion]

Will change to huge power, but what moves and items

[acoustic jacinth]

nah just a suggestion for a dragonite fusion, i think theyre doing porygon-z instead.

[shadow lion]

i was

hmmm

[acoustic jacinth]

i think either way you probably want to use a life orb unless you have a better life orber on your team.

[shadow lion]

what moves should i put with extreme speed

[shadow lion]

have none atm

[glad vector]

ddance, equake, fire punch

[shadow lion]

EV's?

im not such an insane team builder

[acoustic jacinth]

not my mon but this set is where i "borrowed" the concept of huge power extremespeed all in dragonite. its by a fella named R/Iasked.

[wary zodiac]

Oh I found it

[acoustic jacinth]

unfortuantely it doesn't have a very strong flying stab.

[wary zodiac]

The funniest shit was

Azumarill/Marowak with thick club and huge power

[robust rapids]

I would just ignore flying stab and put EQ on there

[wary zodiac]

[glad vector]

252 hp, 252 attack, 4 speed

[robust rapids]

and if you're DDancing you might want lum berry

[shadow lion]

Is this good?

[glad vector]

dont run wing attack

[slim mesa]

D Dance in an Extreme Speed set?

[glad vector]

extra power that can set up on walls

[acoustic jacinth]

thick club b@ :((

[wary zodiac]

I know

[slim mesa]

Dragonite can't swords dance?

[shadow lion]

Im gonna 1v6 guys

lets see how this goes

[robust rapids]

nope

[slim mesa]

oof

[glad vector]

natdex or ou? if nat run boots

[shadow lion]

ou

[acoustic jacinth]

i also didn't understand why dd was on here, but it does nicely vs walls that rely on toxic/rough skin/etc

[glad vector]

idk about life orb. already taking 25% from rocks and another 10% every attack

[slim mesa]

Fair

[robust rapids]

lum berry probably for burn/para if you're gonna set up

[shadow lion]

not bad, took down one pokemon before it killed me

[slim mesa]

Btw, currently trying to cook with Weather setters...any good combos with them?

[shadow lion]

HMMM

Lets see what my next pokemon will be

preferably dark

[acoustic jacinth]

anything with good abilities that abuse weather

which weather type?

[glad vector]

^

[civic nimbus]

What type combos are best for glass cannons, tanks, and support?

[shadow lion]

AG but Kyogre/Ampharos via drizzle and thunder

[robust rapids]

https://pokepast.es/6363dd270dcfb0f5
this is a rain team I made earier today

[slim mesa]

No, I'm trying to build the setters...Tyranitar, Ninetales, Politoad

[shadow lion]

hmmm

I need to use a new pokemon

i only have 1 on my team

and idk what to use

[glad vector]

like what to fuse with ttar?

[glossy onyx]

Rain is probably the best one

[glad vector]

and etc

^^^

[robust rapids]

politoad/mew gives it good pivot potential and recovery

[slim mesa]

Yes

[slim mesa]

I like where this is going

[glad vector]

swift swim is easy to fit on a team

[acoustic jacinth]

rain certainly the most noob friendly/easy to build. since you basically dont need to solve problems that you run into with sun/sand.

[slim mesa]

Really? The rain mons look rather weak

[glossy onyx]

It's unfortunate that Ludicolo isn't in if

[robust rapids]

soft boiled/scald/defog/u-turn

[acoustic jacinth]

swift swimmers are water types, as opposed to chlorophylls which are grass and dont get the 50% buff from sun. so they're naturally stronger.

[slim mesa]

What about Solar Beam?

[acoustic jacinth]

IF allows you to get way more creative though.

[shadow lion]

What should i fuse with this?

[slim mesa]

Snorlax

[glad vector]

honestly ttar kinda doesnt want to fuse with anything if it is going offensive

[slim mesa]

I had Dusknoir in mind in the past, but I'm not sure what that does...

[glad vector]

any defensive mons like skarm, pex, etc

[hushed junco]

you dont need to fuse to use it

[robust rapids]

snorlax, zapdos, umbreon, swampert, etc

[glossy onyx]

Make sure it isn't steel type

[hushed junco]

or can self-fuse it (I think that's legal)

[glossy onyx]

So it takes advantage of poison heal

[glad vector]

my point

it loves pursuit

[shadow lion]

What moves?

[glad vector]

and getting rid of the rock type means its getting chipped in your own sand

[acoustic jacinth]

lol dont get rid of rock on ttar

unless you love having 50% reduced special bulk

just dont go pursuit tar

[glad vector]

tldr; offensive ttar fuse with ttar. defensive; give it a better type to pair with rock and some utility (wisp, wave, u-turn, scald etc)

[glossy onyx]

You can pair it with leafeon

[glad vector]

my brother in arceus pursuit is what makes ttar so good

[shadow lion]

I need one more move, idk what though

[glossy onyx]

I see some people doing it with leafeon for rock and grass

[slim mesa]

Roost

[glad vector]

celebi is my personal choice

[glossy onyx]

Protect

[glad vector]

eq over waterfall, u-turn

[broken wyvern]

been thinking about making a absol set

[glossy onyx]

That would definitely be better

[civic nimbus]

What's the most common weaknesses for pokemon?

[robust rapids]

eq over waterfall, u-turn over toxic, too many steel/poison types running around for toxic

[glossy onyx]

I wish Aurorus/Noivern was Ice and dragon type

[robust rapids]

honestly theres a billion good sets for this thing

[glad vector]

i wouldn't say there is one specific weakness. when building teams you should pay attention to overlaps in types to try and avoid being swept by one specific type

[glossy onyx]

Rock and dragon makes It not get ice stab and rock/dragon is worse then ice/dragon

[robust rapids]

wait gliscor swampert gets thousand waves

[glad vector]

i just want my beautiful boy baxcalibur

[past ore]

https://pokepast.es/7346496f4116b1a0 kinda lost with team building

I’m so overwhelmed

[civic nimbus]

I mean for separate types. Like how grass, bug, and steel share a weakness to fire so a fire move could take down those pokemon. Or with ground, rock, and fire being weak to water.

[chrome adder]

Is this a good Duraludon fusion?

[glossy onyx]

Yeah, use that instead of EQ for sure

[glad vector]

don't run screens

[past ore]

Why?

[glad vector]

not worth it

[robust rapids]

defog is everywhere from my experience

[glad vector]

also run swords dance on the bibanite

[past ore]

Ok

[quaint patrol]

duraldon's in the game?

[glad vector]

idk about sub chandelure

[glad vector]

natdex

[robust rapids]

fire punch over power up punch probably too

[glad vector]

dyslexia moment

yeah fire punch

[past ore]

It’s very powerful

And if you scare something

You get a sub

[glad vector]

or you chip your own hp by 25%

[shadow lion]

What should i use

[glad vector]

would probably change for flamethrower

[glad vector]

wisp, hex, stealth

[slim mesa]

He is so round.

[broken wyvern]

just need to figure out a fusion for this fellow here for an offensive absol set

[shadow lion]

Is this ass? i will change it to your suggestion if it really is

[robust rapids]

i think the wisp hex set is better, maybe with calm mind or haze?

[rich basalt]

Yeah, that set is trash, you should run quick claw instead, like I do /Jk

[glad vector]

wisp/hex/cm/focus blast

that would be my choice

FB for normals

[acoustic jacinth]

no flame orb using flash fire?

[robust rapids]

???

[glad vector]

Thats not how it works

[acoustic jacinth]

isn't flash fire the one that boost spa by 1.5x when burned

or is that the other chandelure ability

[robust rapids]

no thats flare boost

[glad vector]

When hit by a fire move

[acoustic jacinth]

oh yeah flare boost

my b

[glad vector]

And it powers up fire moves

[acoustic jacinth]

not according to the wiki for flare boost

[shadow lion]

Why did 3 people join the battle