#showdown-general

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spring sparrow
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PLEASE THINK ABOUT POTENTIAL

gritty anvil
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Electrode?9head Thought it was already in

spring sparrow
vital sand
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damn gg everyone

odd kiln
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to let you guys know if i win im adding something purely for comp reasons Smirkball

vital sand
gritty anvil
vital sand
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Im definitely voting another weather setter

gritty anvil
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they get a monster steel/grass and a mostly sand-immune team plus a sand stream mon

vagrant pawn
odd kiln
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gastro is uhhhhh

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idt we need another water

spring sparrow
odd kiln
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what the meta could use

inner girder
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tehre is no online lol

odd kiln
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im still thinking about it

gritty anvil
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I'm gonna be honest, none of my faves (tropius, minior, crustle, and masquerain) have any competitive viability

trim herald
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if i wasnt voting ribombee i'd be going all in on maractus for spriting potential + the silly

spring sparrow
trim herald
odd kiln
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itd just be overshadowed by togekiss

vital sand
trim herald
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crustle would go crazy anyways

gritty anvil
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I think it would be great fun to replace crustle's rock with different things depending on the head mon. Like people do with Torterra

vital sand
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But minior tho

odd kiln
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if crustle body youre way too slow

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and crustle atk is not great

vital sand
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Like Immune to status conditions when shields up, then becomes fast and strong when shields down

spring sparrow
gritty anvil
trim herald
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ngl there's a lot you could do with minior/minior

spring sparrow
gritty anvil
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I wonder whether we'd be allowed to use all of Minior's different palettes?

spring sparrow
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Maybe

gritty anvil
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Perhaps we could pick a palette for each fusion. I suppose this discussion has really strayed into #pif-hoenn-discussion territory though

fossil terrace
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I have gotten the proverbial taste of blood in my mouth, and I will be returning to try my luck on some of the other tournaments. This really is oddly addicting, and probably not bad for my first pokemon competition period.

spring sparrow
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Anyways, just time to wait for the reveal

odd kiln
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gren/mandibuzz might be on my list

inner girder
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This is the only chance i had at getting a mon i want on the list

trim herald
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greninja might have a real reason to be in the list for OU mons then LMAO

inner girder
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I am a middle of hte line spriter, so spriting contests are out, and I'm terrible at team building, so the other showdown tournies are out

odd kiln
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naw battle bond would be banned

inner girder
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I know how to battle but not build lmao

trim herald
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battle-bond would be banned but gren would still probably be OU

odd kiln
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protean sounds neat to play around with though

inner girder
odd kiln
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kecleon is ass

trim herald
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kecleon is uh

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i was going to be a bit nicer to the poor lad but yeah it's ass

inner girder
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fuse it wiith power then

gritty anvil
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No starters this round, greninja is not an option

odd kiln
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literally 1984

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come on

gritty anvil
trim herald
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but yeah im voting ribombee on the off chance i pull a win out of my ass, i want to see the webs comeback + more pokemon wearing scarfs

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like not choice scarfs i mean like

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ribombee has a cool scarf

gritty anvil
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I'm not up to date with the IF competitive scene and can't rely on the randbat RNG to equalize for me

trim herald
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webs is pretty lacking since

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you want a sticky web user to be fast

odd kiln
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galv is fast

trim herald
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yeah just not as fast as bombee

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it cant really keep up with its competition

odd kiln
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the problem isnt speed the problem is utility

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sure you get a web up but you dont do anything outside of it

vital sand
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anyone down for an IF doubles?

odd kiln
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bee doesnt improve on that

trim herald
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it has quiver dance

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pokemon LOVE quiver dance here

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fairy type with qdance and base 124 speed

odd kiln
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can i add zyg

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is that possible

inner girder
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i mean, Galva has a good niche as a web setter

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he sets web, and gets out of there with volt

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compound eyes thunder as a backup in case of damage

vital sand
trim herald
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true, i just prefer bombee since the fairy type is a little silly

vital sand
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if it lives beyond 3 turns, its fodder

trim herald
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with ribombee, quiver dance gives the opponent a reason to kill it instead of setting up on it

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qdance boosted moonblast is kind of a scary thing to get hit by

odd kiln
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you just switch in your steel

trim herald
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and at that point webs will already be up so it'll have done its job

odd kiln
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it was a registeel moltres who defogs your webs

trim herald
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i would probably not set up webs until that was dealt with

odd kiln
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and thats where the issue lies, webs is best set with a setter who dies almost immediately after its set

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you as a webs team cannot abide with just waiting until the defogger dies

trim herald
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a lot of people say that and get confused when i switch out my webber

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im playing suboptimally but the alternative is people already knowing what to expect from me

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which can sometimes be a lot worse

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if people already know what you're cooking you're often at a disadvantage

fossil terrace
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Where can I check the OU Rules?

odd kiln
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/tier gen7ifdexou

fossil terrace
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Ty

pallid mortar
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ty, u too man

inner girder
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great battle!

pallid mortar
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ty, good games

wheat hamlet
pallid mortar
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ty nerd :)

wheat hamlet
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:)

spring sparrow
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Thybomb?

pallid mortar
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thats me

gritty anvil
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anyone know why garchomp gets dragon dance?

odd kiln
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gets it ingame

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carbink
mandibuzz
golisopod
jellicent
mienshao
gogoat?
gastrodon?
audino?
staraptor?```
my rough list of mons id add if im one of the winners
pallid mortar
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gonna add charjabug gg

gritty anvil
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based choice tbh

trim herald
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based

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bug type AND funny

gritty anvil
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i think crustle and masquerain would be good bug types too, but thybomb, don't listen to people telling you what to vote

trim herald
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i just realized

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charjabug kind of fits both "cool for the meta" and "cool for fusions"

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after all, charjabug IS the only pokemon with this ability

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and vikavolt goes crazy (it's a railgun)

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also doesnt it have like a crazy sp. atk stat

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145 special attack, but only 43 speed

gritty anvil
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grubbin is welcome too, more grubs are always great

trim herald
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TRUE

mossy violet
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charjabug my beloved

gritty anvil
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wait, thybomb picked wingull/pelipper, we've been trolled

inner girder
trim herald
pallid mortar
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we do a miniscule amount of trolling

hexed umbra
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Embrace the weather war

odd kiln
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tier 1
carbink - physdef fairy
golisopod - defensive water with spikes
mandibuzz - defensive dark with pivoting
mienshao - offensive regen
jellicent - defensive water with wisp

tier 2
craw - adapt (might be broke)
excadrill - spinner, steel, sand rush
gastrodon - spdef water, sticky hold
barb - tc (might be a little broke)
conk - guts fighting

tier 3
alomomola - physdef water (might be a little broke)
gogoat - spdef 
audino - defensive regen
staraptor - intim flying
darmanitan - sf fire```my newly revised tier list of mons id add if i am one of the winners (mons ordered within tier)
hexed umbra
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Araquanid? Water Bubble is getting banned Despair

odd kiln
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water bubble would be banned

hexed umbra
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Kommo-o gives Bulletproof which is new (And a soundproof user that isn't Mr Mime)
Toxicroak gives Dry Skin (though stat wise it leaves a lot to be desired)
Salazzle gives Corrosion (frail though)
Clawitzer gives Mega Launcher (probably good with certain fusions)
Mudsdale gives Stamina (needs recovery)
Comfey gives Triage (please no please no please no)
Toucannon gives Beak Blast (has Roost, might be... useable with steels)

odd kiln
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claw is eh

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best fusion is like zoroark but 89 spe is not good

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kommoo doesnt really have good stat spread to be worth considering

deft oasis
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It's unfortunate that every non-Water attack boosted by Mega Launcher is resisted by Fairy

opal fiber
hexed umbra
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Doesn't exist yet Despair

opal fiber
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Heal Pulse creature

valid mulch
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Anyone Gen 7 OU wana battle

ionic dock
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Anyone want Gen 7 OU Double?

radiant rivet
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are we doing game reviews here?

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i mean matches

calm canyon
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for anyone who might be interested, i plan on running an IF gen 9 natdex doubles draft league some time soon

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reach out to me if you're interested :)

unborn pine
deft oasis
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Excadrill would be great if it got in; its typing, movepool, stats, and abilities give it so much versatility in what it can do

main jungle
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Huh? I picked random battles

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Guess the team it gave me was too strong

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Happened again. Are random battles broken atm?

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Did the bidoofs from earlier break it?

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dull plaza
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Won’t be able to get fixed for a while as the people eh could fix it are asleep

minor saddle
main jungle
hexed umbra
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The validator is working again

vital sand
odd kiln
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it wouldnt be that much better than sandslash unless it also got tarrows fsr

vital sand
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Is definitely scarier than this

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odd kiln
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tarrows flips this comparison on its head

vital sand
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Especially when we know that the body takes the physical stats and speed more

odd kiln
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you dont use sandslash body you use sandslash head

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looking through the builder its actually difficult to find a mon that would fit drill body well

vital sand
odd kiln
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walled by water

vital sand
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Ok Mr "Ice electric kills everything"

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I'm not saying it's perfect

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But it's definitely scary

odd kiln
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its a weather abuser if you get easily forced out by a very common defensive type youre bad at your job

vital sand
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2 of the stats that matter for physical attackers are higher than that of sandslash

odd kiln
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again this doesnt matter bc sandslash just takes the body of a better physattacker

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while donating tarrows

ruby current
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@main jungle sorry, I got up and forgot about me starting a battle

main jungle
keen temple
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Anyone for fusion ou?

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Please?

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🙏

cursive thicket
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can the banned stuff be excluded if Im battling a friend?

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I get it being banned if people want fair fights with random PVP players

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but me and my friend just want to use our Hall Of Fame pokemon

dull plaza
cursive thicket
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Yep that worked

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Thank you

echo rune
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is there a custom double battle format?

vital sand
echo rune
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I couldn't find it

echo rune
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Nvm i think Doubles AG should work

calm canyon
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this page explains how to format a custom challenge code

echo rune
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Oh shit thanks

urban prairie
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is gen 7 or nat dex OU the "standard" format?

odd kiln
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7

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but i wish it was nd

urban prairie
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lmao fair

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time to get back into this and make Garchomp work

viscid hollow
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How does showdown work

urban prairie
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what do you mean?

trim herald
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out of curiosity

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hang on

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am i correct to assume this being unbanned in ifdex doubles is a mistake

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trim herald
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or is it balanced out by the fact its also hurting your own pokemon

odd kiln
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partially but also because nobody really mods doubles

urban prairie
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was gonna say i didnt think doubles was that popular

radiant rivet
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I feel like Gen 2 is the best gen in the upcoming Gen lock tournament.
But gen 4 is definetly up there (Although not being allowed to use Jiragrowth does kinda hinder it)

hexed umbra
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You can use Jigrowth? Jirachi is gen3

radiant rivet
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oh right.
Forgot Jirachi is gen 3.
(Since you cant have 4-4 pairing)

elfin mica
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was the thing that was supposed to happen today happen yet?

spring lagoon
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how does omitype work with nuclear

spring lagoon
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any showdown managers online

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battle crashed for no reason

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and now it wont finish loading

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so i can continue

spring lagoon
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bonus type mod still doesnt work with fusions by the way

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it doesnt add the type to fusions

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triple fusions are fine

tropic path
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I thought the tourney was on Sunday, time to Speedrun team building

vital sand
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oof

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Lets go cintlag, you can do it

tropic path
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I think I will manage, only to lose first round xd

vital sand
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Win the first and only round lets go

tropic path
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Nice, I got it

main jungle
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I have accepted the only way for me to get past round 1 is luck

vital sand
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lol

tropic path
main jungle
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I lost like I expected

tropic path
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Well now I lost because I didn't have anything to kill the other guys Pokemons.

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Also can someone explain me how a Flygon+Salamence fusion 3 dragon dance stab earthquake did only like a quarter HP to a Clefable Dusclops fusion? Are those two Pokemons just that tanky?

whole karma
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Unaware?

tropic path
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Seems like it xd

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Looked infinitedex, he has 111 def, I guess that is a lot

whole karma
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Prob evolite as well

tropic path
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Yeah, also switching into my zoroark despite knowing that a fairy attack was coming wasn't the best idea

pallid mortar
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out r2, gl to everyone else still in the tourney

rough palm
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Tourneys do be hardd

pallid mortar
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yep

wise veldt
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soooo, how is it going for now ?

hexed umbra
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I lost to Anaconja (unsuprisingly), so theyre still in the running
They are facing off against Bananablunt (I think, i can't see half the tournament screen)

wise veldt
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how many people are still in ?

radiant rivet
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2 as of now

hexed umbra
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Congratulations to Anaconja for winning!

odd kiln
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go conja

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carbink - physdef fairy
mandibuzz - defensive dark with pivoting
golisopod - defensive water with spikes
jellicent - defensive water with wisp
mienshao - offensive regen

tier 2
craw - adapt (might be broke)
barb - tc (might be a little broke)
excadrill - spinner, steel, sand rush
gastrodon - spdef water, sticky hold
conk - guts fighting

tier 3
alomomola - physdef water (might be a little broke)
gogoat - spdef 
audino - defensive regen
staraptor - intim flying
darmanitan - sf fire```
this is my list for additions
pure breach
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I thought you had to give a mon

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not 15

hexed umbra
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Golisopod or Carbink have the highest chance of winning the vote itself imo

pure breach
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I agree, though I'd also personally like Mandibuzz and Mienshao

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gastrodon and Conk are cool too

odd kiln
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i have a list of 15 that idk who to pick from

opaque inlet
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In my Perfectly unbiased opinion, pick a mon that’s good a breaking stall

odd kiln
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No Thanks

mossy violet
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we are doomed

odd kiln
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im bypassing restrictions and adding both garganacl AND clod to the meta

odd kiln
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anyone for genlock

hexed umbra
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Talonflame has the wrong ability, it has Big Pecks instead of Flame Body. Fletchinder does not have this issue, it correctly has Flame Body.

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Trying to get a Talonflame in-game (not showdown) now for bug report

mossy violet
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didnt they changed it to big pecks to be accurate with Pif version

tribal trellis
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Now pick darm 👍

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Nah do whatever u want

odd kiln
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i picked carbink

sand merlin
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god i love sucker punch

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"surely she won't sucker punch a seventh time?"

glossy zealot
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theres still time to sign to the genlock?

hexed umbra
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As far as I am aware there is no sign up, just be in the Pokeathlon Showdown lobby at 6PM EST on the 18th

radiant rivet
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are the only Gen 7 mons allowed in [Gen 7] If Dex OU :

Pex
Bewear
Dhelmise
Oricorio
Lycanrock
Mimikyu
Bruxish
Palosand

Because that is one short list for the upcomming Gen lock.

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Maybe I missed one?

hexed umbra
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Are the Oricorio's treated as seperate pokemon like they are in IF?
Also Necrozma
and Pyukumuku

radiant rivet
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damn I even used Pyuku in the last tournament.
How could I forget the little rascal?

radiant rivet
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May I ask how soul dew works in IF?

Does it boost Dragon and Psychic or does it boost the Stabs of the Lati fusion?

(Raikou/Latios would get Electric and Dragon boosten for Example)

odd kiln
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it says boosts dragon/psychic moves

radiant rivet
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neat

pure breach
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with the big boss tournament tomorrow, I'd appreciate people let me know of any issues that persist today, as I will not be readily available tomorrow

odd kiln
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tomorrow is genlock

trim herald
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you mean doubles?

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shit wait no you right

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its genlock

radiant rivet
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wait I thougt a week would pass after each tournament

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Time to teambuild lol

obtuse shoal
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hey guys whoever wins

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plz bring in bronzong

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steel with levitate

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or rotom ig

odd kiln
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eew bronzong

pure breach
glossy zealot
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in gen lock if i chose gen 5 can i have two 5.3 mons or do i need i per gen?

obtuse shoal
obtuse shoal
mortal pelican
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For the tournaments is there any kind of registration or it’s just the standard SD one where u join after its made

odd kiln
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standard

mortal pelican
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Also are unfused mons allowed? The teambuilder doesn’t consider them illegal

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For this specific tournament I mean

pure breach
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Hm it says “must be fused” so I’d say they’re illegal

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I’ll fix that as soon as I can

mortal pelican
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👌🏻

pure breach
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should work now

obtuse shoal
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So how do you deal with Latias forretress

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It can take your hazards and puts theirs
Only weak to the rare fighting and can recover

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You can't even seed it

radiant rivet
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Its set up fodder

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and thousand arrows exist

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Block its spin with a ghost typ.
And defog or spin its hazards away

obtuse shoal
radiant rivet
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then the question is how you deal with stall, right?

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which is what Hazards and wallbreakers are for.

Stacking too much of these will leave you vulnerable to other playstyles however.

obtuse shoal
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Also are we allowed to change our team?

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In the tournament

radiant rivet
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Seperate Question :
Why is heatran banned?
The toad (frog?) has been OU since it was released and I dont see how Fusion makes it broken like Shedinja, Slaking and Blissey/Chansey.

hexed umbra
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If this is about IF Dex OU, it simply isn't in the game

pure breach
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If IF NatDex: Bug/Steel with flash fire + good stats + I believe it was banned before QD was banned and never reviewed

radiant rivet
weary bronze
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Can someone explain to me the concept of Fighting with fusion 3 // Gen lock , I don't really understand the description

dark osprey
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can someone straight up tutor me on competitive Pokémon

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I am getting stomped on literally every battle

odd kiln
pure breach
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Wh

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Oh was it Volcarona we banned because of that

odd kiln
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well prob not for bug steel

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fire qd is p bannable though

obtuse shoal
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Fiery dance togekiss lol

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It's basically torch song but with quiver dance too

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Now I don't know if it's just me
But I see a lot of stall here

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And just overall defense

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Offense gets shut down pretty quickly
Unless it's something like entei or no guard Mankey paw

odd kiln
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ng mankey paw doesnt work anymore

obtuse shoal
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What gen will you be using anaconja

odd kiln
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ive built for all gens but cant choose one

obtuse shoal
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Do you have a favourite one?

odd kiln
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not particularly

obtuse shoal
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Also building for gens 6 and 7 sounds tough

odd kiln
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it is

obtuse shoal
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What do you think of gen 4

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Seems to me like 1 2 and 4 are the best

tribal trellis
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that means i know half of the mons from the gen 7 team cause there are barely any options

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lol

weary bronze
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Are Legendaries and Triple Fusions allowed?

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odd kiln
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legends allowed idk triple fusions

mortal pelican
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But that just a supposition

weary bronze
mortal pelican
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Yeah but then you will have multiple fusion with the same generation

odd kiln
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triple fusions are illegal bc you need a head fused with a body

mortal pelican
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And also you must have all the other 6 gens that aren’t your main in the team

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I wanted to cheese it by not fusing some mons but it got fixed

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It’s so sad when some of them are just better if you leave them as they are

odd kiln
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very few of them are like this though

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i cant actually think of an example

mortal pelican
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It’s usually the last touches that you have this problem

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You have only 1 mon left and you have to use Gen 7 for example

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The pseudos kinda lose power

mortal pelican
mortal pelican
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Are fusion without sprites allowed?

odd kiln
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yes

subtle furnace
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is there a way I can see pokemon in IF by generation?

odd kiln
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not really, best you can do is /ds gen=[insert number here]

obtuse shoal
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thoughts on togekiss with scald

subtle furnace
odd kiln
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in the lobby chat

subtle furnace
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thank you!

odd kiln
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np

mortal pelican
obtuse shoal
mortal pelican
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Jk dw ahaha

glossy zealot
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i just notice big boss is just mtg commander for pokemon

obtuse shoal
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wait soundproof perish song has been nerfed?

odd kiln
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since gen 8 soundproof is no longer immune to psong

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if thats happening in if dex then its the gen 9 glitch

pure breach
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Ping me if that’s happening

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Or if rapid spin is giving you +1 speed

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Or recover PP are wrong

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Very important

opaque inlet
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@pure breach I was playing in a game earlier and recover had 8 PP

pure breach
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I’ve just hotpatched the formats, if someone could quickly check again

rose ingot
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(I do not know what I am doing y'all I will get destroyed in the tourney lol)

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I am just guessing what's good and what's not fr

subtle furnace
rose ingot
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I am just seeing like "hmm, looks good enough"

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"OH WELL, I DON'T HAVE TIME"

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I'm just in here for the sillies

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I am definitly dying first round

subtle furnace
tribal trellis
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ask conja how he got a team for every gen

subtle furnace
rose ingot
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so far it's valid

odd kiln
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go conja

subtle furnace
rose ingot
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I gotta add one more mon

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I think I am done-

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I made some really silly goobers

subtle furnace
rose ingot
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and like

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look at my nickname

subtle furnace
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xD

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fair enough

rose ingot
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I couldn't do much

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but oh well

subtle furnace
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if I win definitely voting for a gen 6 mon

rose ingot
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I'm not here to win anyway heehee

rose ingot
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my team is very much built to be annoying? why? cause ALMOST ALL GEN 7 MONS THAT ARE IN ARE WALLS

subtle furnace
rose ingot
subtle furnace
subtle furnace
rose ingot
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if I win (which I won't) gogoat is my pick fr

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(I won't win cause I suck though)

subtle furnace
rose ingot
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free round for you

subtle furnace
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idk Im decent at pokemon, but I kinda flung these teams together

rose ingot
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same

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wait

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you said

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THESE teams?

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I only made 1

subtle furnace
subtle furnace
rose ingot
subtle furnace
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so I had a gen6 fused with a gen 6

rose ingot
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you can have that though no?

subtle furnace
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no

rose ingot
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oh

subtle furnace
# rose ingot oh

one consistent gen and then fused with the others that are missing. So mine would be

6/1
6/2
6/3
6/4
6/5
6/7

rose ingot
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I am gonna say it like this

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my team is based on

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4 walls

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and 2 sweepers

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GL everyone!!!

sly bronze
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and may the odds be forever in your favor

rose ingot
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I somehow won my first round

subtle furnace
rose ingot
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I am waiting for my 2nd battle

trim herald
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waiting on my third rn

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my round 2 was gen-5 vs gen-5, apologies to my fellow unovan

rose ingot
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my team had a good matchup against my opponent and that's the only reason I won

trim herald
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im watching my possible opponents fight and im silently hoping the one i have a better matchup against wins

rose ingot
#

I AM COOKED

trim herald
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im either fighting sand or im fighting hymega and i dont know which is scarier

tropic sparrow
#

its been 15 minutes shroomish i dont know who this is

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cobalt panther
#

cant wait for every single one of these tournaments to be decided by 200 rounds of stall

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this format is soooo bad

tropic sparrow
#

not even stall. this guy just hasnt shown up

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unless you mean the other people

cobalt panther
#

i was commenting on my own game lol

tropic sparrow
#

ooo

cobalt panther
#

full regenerator team

rose ingot
#

I-

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I won the 2nd round

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holy-

trim herald
#

yoooo

hexed umbra
#

Still waiting for my round 2

rose ingot
#

oh man

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this is a stall battle

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the battle I am waiting for

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it's gonna take a lot of time

cobalt panther
#

thrilling

hexed umbra
#

I just had a stall battle and I'm still waiting

rose ingot
#

(Tbf I am not much better)

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I got a lot of stalls mons-

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mostly cause I was stubborn to use alola

hexed umbra
#

Some people have done 3 battles and I've done 1 so far

rose ingot
#

but I got 2 sweep mons

rose ingot
#

I somehow 6-0'd the 2nd one

cobalt panther
#

single elim sucks so hard i guess it would take too long otherwise

rose ingot
#

guys the wolfeyVGC video playing in my bg is giving me STRENGTH

cobalt panther
#

but it sucks so hard spending hours making a team to just lose round 1 to regenerator stall

rose ingot
cobalt panther
#

i guess if i do this again it just has to all be wall breakers

hexed umbra
trim herald
#

my next match is semifinals, there's still hope*

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*hope that my internet connection doesnt die again today

hexed umbra
#

Your next match is semifinals? I'm waiting for my round 2!

odd kiln
#

whod add mienshao/golisopod if they win

rose ingot
#

I'll add gogoat

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I love mienshao but-

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actually I am indecisive

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oh well, not like Imma win anyway

hexed umbra
#

I would add Golisopod

odd kiln
#

ill pass my teams to whoever does

rose ingot
trim herald
#

im ribombee all the way because golisopod is so hype that i doubt it wont get added someday

hexed umbra
#

I already have a funny stall team

rose ingot
#

I need to wait like 100 hours though

odd kiln
#

pm me it

rose ingot
trim herald
rose ingot
#

we love the bee!

hexed umbra
#

Will do after the tournament

rose ingot
#

(I will lose)

odd kiln
#

after⁉️

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but i need you to win

rose ingot
#

(be prepared for me TO NOT BE YOUR OPPONENT)

#

golisopod is like

hexed umbra
#

Do you mean PM me?

pure breach
#

conja did you not participate in this one ?

rose ingot
#

the most likely mon through the first vote

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imo

hexed umbra
#

Conja lost round 1.... somehow?

pure breach
#

Must’ve thrown

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But also

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No one is unbeatable

rose ingot
#

I am overly-beatable

pure breach
#

Proven ✅

mossy violet
#

me fr

trim herald
#

to be fair your team scared me pretty bad LOL

rose ingot
#

this is my first time building a pif comp team

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so I DIDN'T EXPECT

mossy violet
#

my one pivot got fucked in the 3 matches lmao

rose ingot
#

making it to this round

odd kiln
#

also couldnt test bc no one played genlock

mossy violet
#

i knew ttar needed roar but i put the av last second

elfin mica
#

Will this format be avalible for when players battle each other?

rose ingot
#

(I built my team in like 30 minutes heehee)

odd kiln
#

shouldve brought my more offensive teams

trim herald
#

tbh i didnt think my team would get this far, i didnt practice at all

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if i lose here im still happy with what i accomplished

rose ingot
rose ingot
pure breach
trim herald
#

i just looked at who im fighting next

they're at turn 111.

mossy violet
#

sounds fun

rose ingot
#

I think IF I can get into position with my sweeper

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I could win my next match

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could

trim herald
#

maybe i should've thrown actually

rose ingot
#

👍

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same

trim herald
#

please win your next fight so we can play the video game

rose ingot
#

my team isn't much better

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the only reason I've been going through this fast is my 2 sweepers

tribal trellis
#

i lost round 1 but it was to someone hitting 7 out of 8 focus blasts and crit

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it was setup vs setup and i had more pp on my moves

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i win that 100% of the time if crit came a turn later

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sad times

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hitting every focus blast didn't help

odd kiln
#

damn

tribal trellis
#

i had more teams as well

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i also didn't come with 1

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but anyways u can mention for the doubles/big boss if u want

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should be able to help

vital sand
#

@thin schooner

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Someone disconected mid fight

tropic sparrow
#

guy i match with doesnt show up: guy i fight uses regenerator volt switch over and over

vital sand
#

how

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Now what?

#

Do i get to rematch or i advance by technicality?

mossy violet
#

yeah you advance

vital sand
mossy violet
#

well yeah you need to wait for your opponent

rose ingot
#

I know why I lost I TURNED OFF THE WOLFEYVGC VIDEO

mossy violet
#

shameful

rose ingot
#

it stopped and I was mid battle

#

fr

trim herald
#

most terrifying semifinals of my life

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even though i won

rose ingot
#

that was epic!

obtuse shoal
#

Who won?

trim herald
#

nobody yet

#

waiting on other semifinals then we're moving onto finals

glossy zealot
#

I lost in the second match yikes

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Not this time my dear lilygant

trim herald
#

I WON!!!!

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vital sand
#

aahhhh shucks

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#

gg tho

rose ingot
#

Congrats!

vital sand
#

i dont deserve this win tbh

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cuz the last guy disconnected on me

hexed umbra
#

Congrats

vital sand
#

a shame for this guy

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bronze tinsel
#

Congrats

rose ingot
mossy violet
#

i wonder who they are going to suggest (clueless)

odd kiln
#

the teams i built
1 webs](https://pokepast.es/b3b64a736879c712)
1 middish balance](https://pokepast.es/1d09ef98c7b337c4)
2 sun](https://pokepast.es/7fae9f9a5725a69e)
2 rain](https://pokepast.es/4c669db1d13be15e)
2 stall](https://pokepast.es/04d8e5dd596d96e6)
3 balance](https://pokepast.es/248213106397448e)
4 balance](https://pokepast.es/029dc5ebc3ceadd5)
5 webs](https://pokepast.es/dcca2d5b937b1bb5)
5 sand](https://pokepast.es/cb6caee6dfe20f2c)
6 mid screens](https://pokepast.es/3c720be012ec8af4)
7 shitty screens](https://pokepast.es/1075a3f5d7212235)

rose ingot
#

make the right choice (gogoat) jk though do whatever you won cough cough ribombee

hexed umbra
#

Oh thats a lot of teams

mossy violet
#

"mid screens" and "shitty screens"

trim herald
#

hang on

odd kiln
#

gen 6/7 can only manage shitty screens teams

hexed umbra
trim herald
#

im gonna post my team here :P

rose ingot
#

gonna post my 30 minutes team too

mossy violet
#

no guard sing
fucked up evil

rose ingot
#

I honestly think my metagross was pretty good

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it sweeped through 2nd round

trim herald
#

whimblade was a last minute addition and yet it put so much pressure on people with destiny bond

solar frigate
#

Biabyts shoulda won 😤
Only cause they used my sprot huehue

bronze tinsel
obtuse shoal
#

I'm surprised I won anaconja

trim herald
#

unsure of how i submit my pokemon after winning but I'm pretty sure people already know LOL

solar frigate
trim herald
#

ah alright

odd kiln
#

i didnt prep enough for togeking

trim herald
#

this is the first showdown tourney i've won ever for the record

odd kiln
#

shouldve slapped like sylveonporygon2 for the 6th gen

obtuse shoal
#

honestly seemed to me like the trick here was to slap as many good pokemon as possible

trim herald
#

when i started teambuilding i said "i want haxorus entei, and i want hymega. im gen 5." and worked from there

hexed umbra
#

Hymega the goat

obtuse shoal
#

Like if there was a guy with pexitar, ursanite and latiatress, he could have won

odd kiln
#

latiatress is a WORST MON ON TEAM

bronze tinsel
hexed umbra
#

Theres no good electric types outside of gen 1/2, I had to use Galvantula as my electric type

obtuse shoal
#

also, surprising we didn't see that much weather here

trim herald
#

kyueon (kyurem-jolteon) was literally just

budget lateon (latios-jolteon)

hexed umbra
obtuse shoal
#

that rhyperior klinklang was just funny

trim herald
obtuse shoal
#

it just outsped my team, after web

mossy violet
#

there was a bunch of weather

obtuse shoal
#

yeah, but it wasn't THAT common

trim herald
#

yeah there was hail in finals

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i also saw a sand team on the other side of bracket

obtuse shoal
#

infinite hail with aurora veil was interesting

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also the winner gets to put in a pokemon in the game right

mossy violet
#

to the raffle

trim herald
#

yeah

#

raffle

obtuse shoal
#

so you voted in ribombee?

trim herald
#

that's the plan

odd kiln
#

ill be back for doubles

#

man these tours are too far spaced apart can we just do it now

obtuse shoal
#

seems like a slightly faster galvantula

hexed umbra
#

It gets Quiver Dance

obtuse shoal
#

lol nah I need to prepare

obtuse shoal
vital sand
hexed umbra
trim herald
#

quiver dance, fairy typing, 124 speed stat

hexed umbra
#

Also Shield Dust

obtuse shoal
mossy violet
#

honey gather gonna go crazy

trim herald
obtuse shoal
#

yeah quiver dance did

#

but it's also tinted lens

#

Tinted lens was actually crazy this tournament

trim herald
#

this thing is just flat out stupid and i love everything abt it :)

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vital sand
hexed umbra
#

Anyone have a doubles team?

trim herald
vital sand
obtuse shoal
#

there was a yanmega scizor here

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it was basically lokix

hexed umbra
#

That was me

trim herald
#

yeah i had to fight that

vital sand
hexed umbra
#

Yeah LOL

vital sand
#

but idk if it works or not

hexed umbra
#

Tinted Lens U-Turn and Bullet Punch

obtuse shoal
#

did you have band too?

hexed umbra
#

Yes

#

I used Banded U-Turn and Specs Volt Switch on my team

odd kiln
#

ribombee is gonna be significantly worse than other qders bc it doesnt bring much to the table unlike mew/celebi or yanmega

vital sand
#

I actually didnt expect to go this far honestly

obtuse shoal
#

how do you even stop that?
ferrothorn?

hexed umbra
#

Its not that strong against mons with good defence, only 114 attack

obtuse shoal
#

the damage is good no matter what

#

the only good idea would be to intimidate or burn
and you had heal bell

hexed umbra
#

Togekiss/Goodra was one of the weak links, it is weak to status and forced to roost

obtuse shoal
#

using salamence as defense just makes me laugh
people in gen 4 were afraid of those dragon dances

odd kiln
#

you just load fat mon with helmet or fat regen or double bug resist or something

obtuse shoal
#

knock off is also so prevalent

trim herald
#

im pretty sure the only reason i beat yanmega scizor was destiny bond installing fear into people

obtuse shoal
#

Honestly I expected more ferrothorn

vital sand
#

can we just ban regenerator

rose ingot
#

lemme see the next tourney

#

I might actually build a team for

odd kiln
#

its doubles

vital sand
#

im tired of playing "who's gonna waste their PP"

rose ingot
#

MORE THAN HALF AN HOUR

hexed umbra
odd kiln
vital sand
obtuse shoal
#

yeah whimsicott destiny bond was legit game changing

trim herald
#

there was another scizor yanmega on my side of bracket, but i might be thinking wrong

obtuse shoal
#

"choose your most useless mon for sacrifice"

trim herald
#

there was some scizor with first impression tinted lens

hexed umbra
#

Huh, its catching on

vital sand
hexed umbra
#

Nope

vital sand
#

aw

obtuse shoal
#

what do you guys think were the most insane mons this tournament, besides tinted lens

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and ursanite and toxitar

trim herald
#

every time i saw hymega i was afraid

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this includes my own because it dies like a chump if substitute isnt up

obtuse shoal
#

yeah yanmega is weird

mossy violet
#

uh the klinklang/rhyperior went crazy

obtuse shoal
#

yeah it did

#

I didn't expect that to outspeed my whole team

hexed umbra
#

I had a chance against it if it didn't crit, I would have gotten 2 scalds off

obtuse shoal
#

of course, meloetta lycandusk was here

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no guard sing

trim herald
#

not just no guard sing

#

no guard stone edge

obtuse shoal
#

when it had mankeys paw, it was legit unstopable

mossy violet
#

evil fucked up no guard sing

obtuse shoal
#

dynamic punch for example, its a move you just can't switch into

trim herald
#

yeah

glossy zealot
#

who won?

glossy zealot
trim herald
#

i won :P

glossy zealot
#

you choose ribombee i assume

trim herald
#

i havent been DMed yet but like

obtuse shoal
#

What did you feel about your team moth

trim herald
#

when it happens yeah ribombee is rolling up

obtuse shoal
#

You also chose a really hard gen

trim herald
#

Gen 5 was hard to work with but I knew that I wanted Hymega and I knew Enxorus was stupid and it was the only way I was getting both

glossy zealot
#

gen 5 right ? i picked too it was really anoying too build

trim herald
#

I built the team around those two

#

yea gen 5 was hard which is why i had last minute additions like metaklang and whimblade (who put in a lot more work than I expected)

obtuse shoal
#

Prankster always finds ways to be useful

#

Also I don't remember
Did you use ferrothorn

trim herald
#

no

#

there was a ferro fusion in the spot I replaced with Whimblade because hazard removal was more useful sounding

obtuse shoal
#

Honestly this tourney was great
I learned a lot about how this format works

#

If Dex in general

obtuse shoal
trim herald
#

true

#

also metaklang was surprisingly good too, since all psychic typing really does for metagross is give it more weaknesses

#

and metaklang makes it pure steel

obtuse shoal
#

Yeah psychic is a bad typing here

#

One of the worst actually

#

What did you think of grass ghost as a typing

spring sparrow
#

And how is the tournament going?

obtuse shoal
#

Moth won

#

Gen5

spring sparrow
#

And what pokemon just choose?

glossy zealot
#

if he was the same guy that beat me he have a hydreigon yamega with quiver dance and substitute

obtuse shoal
#

Ye chose hydreigon yanmega
Whimsicott duoblade

trim herald
#

if you mean pokemon chosen to be added

#

i havent been messaged yet, but it's gonna be ribombee

spring sparrow
#

Please, dont choose another cute pokemon Painless

glossy zealot
obtuse shoal
#

Destiny bond
Defog

trim herald
#

destiny bond, defog, stun spore, leech seed

obtuse shoal
#

Stun spore that's a weird move

glossy zealot
#

i loved to play duoblade evio in gen 6 OU years ago

trim herald
#

sometimes you just need a pokemon to slow down and para halves speed

glossy zealot
#

i did a coumpond eyes/sleep powder mon, it was good i might repeat it in the doubles

#

i dont know shit about ou doubles it might be bad

obtuse shoal
#

About grass types
They're good for tanking electric water and ground moves

There's few types that lets grass keep doing that and not have a double weakness

Ghost and normal are 2 of them

#

But ghost makes it weak to knock

spring sparrow
#

Well... Ribombee...

glossy zealot
#

i like all the picks besides pelipper so far

#

but im more of a spriter

obtuse shoal
#

Where are the picks?

glossy zealot
obtuse shoal
#

Carbink is weird

trim herald
#

carbink is weird but i can kind of see what they're cooking

obtuse shoal
#

Thoughts on bronzong

glossy zealot
#

i though it was a showdown dude who picked it becaus of the stats but its weird

mossy violet
#

defensive fairy

spring sparrow
glossy zealot
#

nothing come to my mind imediataly as a spriter , but its unique

mossy violet
#

carbink is cool

trim herald
#

i just see what they were cooking by choosing it

spring sparrow
#

Anyways, there are two more tournaments

gusty sigil
#

Teambuilder validator tells me a team of fusions that are all ghost-types do not share a type, what's up with that?

glossy zealot
#

can i fuse a legendary with a big boss?

obtuse shoal
#

Btw the doubles is just
1 person right

#

It's not one person controls half

mossy violet
#

its the doubles format

obtuse shoal
#

And the other person has another half

#

Like vgc?

mossy violet
#

ya

obtuse shoal
#

Looks like I'm gonna have to start learning

#

(eviolite clefairy spam)

mossy violet
#

real

glossy zealot
#

what are the meta leads in if ou

obtuse shoal
#

In doubles?

mossy violet
obtuse shoal
#

I'm guessing scizor will appear once again

#

More like yanmega

odd kiln
obtuse shoal
#

Less choice paralysis?

odd kiln
#

id rank it as 2>1>3=4=5>>>>6>7

vital sand
#

Gen 6 and 7 has powercreep to be fair

hexed umbra
#

But a lot fewer mons

obtuse shoal
#

Most of the powercreep are the tapus

vital sand
obtuse shoal
#

You don't have them here

vital sand
#

I wanna make terrain teams

#

I hate having to deal with priority

obtuse shoal
#

They're here in natdex

vital sand
#

in my trick room team

vital sand
obtuse shoal
#

Well psychic terrain IS a move

vital sand
#

I'll show those [Prankster] [Spore] whats what with my lele

obtuse shoal
#

Funny thing
I heard fini runs scald just to deal with flying types

vital sand
glossy zealot
odd kiln
#

its not a significant bp decrease from surf

#

and misty terrain only lasts 5 turns

vital sand
odd kiln
#

tapus would be pretty broken id probably ban them

obtuse shoal
#

Thoughts on grass types here?

odd kiln
#

besides fini

glossy zealot
#

im really enjoying combond eyes galvantula + sleep powder

#

he is fast naturally and you can have acurate thunder

obtuse shoal
#

And sticky web

#

And volt switch

vital sand
#

and how i rely on it

glossy zealot
#

sticky + volt + thunder(maybe) + sleep powder

obtuse shoal
vital sand
obtuse shoal
#

Honestly when I use tangrowth, it's pretty cool
But I wish I was using ferrothorn instead

vital sand
#

It felt like ive been fighting opposing tangrowth

#

like multiple times now

obtuse shoal
#

Yeah
It's just one of the best grass types

#

Bulky AF and has regen

trim herald
#

i also dislike fighting tangrowth

obtuse shoal
#

You'd think grass types are weak
But nope
Leech seed is everywhere

#

And there's no real way to fight tangrowth

trim herald
#

but that's mainly because with most of my teams if i lose hymega i just lose to tangrowth

obtuse shoal
#

Besides fire as coverage

#

Or entei spam

#

Most tangrowth are steel so you can't toxic it

#

But it also kind of... Does nothing?

#

Like you can set up on it

#

Gliscor can just outheal the seed and set up

vital sand
#

*writes notes

odd kiln
#

not a counter

obtuse shoal
#

Funny thing I saw about tangrowth

All things that deal super effective damage to it
Are weak to rocks

trim herald
#

hymega is just good against a lot of things

obtuse shoal
#

Except poison

#

Fire
Flying
Bug
Ice

trim herald
#

and tangrowths poison weakness usually goes away in IF since its usually fused with steel

obtuse shoal
#

Yup

#

And it always runs seed

odd kiln
#

no it doesnt

obtuse shoal
#

True
It can run nothing at all

odd kiln
#

tangrowths best set is probably vest

obtuse shoal
#

I guess yeah

#

But I don't think I'd use any many attacks with it
Grass resists are everywhere

odd kiln
#

you spam uturn

#

giga drain is useful for various waters

obtuse shoal
#

So in the end I ended up using leech seed

odd kiln
#

thats why you only really use it when its a water thats trying to setup

#

otherwise you just use uturn

obtuse shoal
#

Last water I saw trying to set up was a calm mind suicune

odd kiln
#

thats why i sometimes use power whip

obtuse shoal
#

It was steel type too

#

And had scald

#

Pretty good mix ngl

vital sand
#

im just gonna throw the question out

#

what do you think is the best monotype

obtuse shoal
#

Resistant to rocks
Immune to toxic

#

Immune to sand

vital sand
#

what about the weaknesses tho? Fire types are super prominent i feel

#

even in my rain teams fire types have a lot of stall breaking coverage

obtuse shoal
#

Fires are weak to rocks
And weak to ground
But if you add flying you're now double wesk to rocks

vital sand
#

hm

obtuse shoal
#

And if the other guy puts in rain you're one step back

#

And on terms or resistances
All resistances are shared by steel
Except resistance to fire

mossy violet
#

im picking bug for monotype and going 6-0 💯

obtuse shoal
#

Fire types aren't prominent
What's prominent is entei

#

Because v create is just that broken

#

180 base power is just a lot

mossy violet
#

ill die to stealth rock anyway
the downsides of not having da boots

obtuse shoal
#

Don't get me wrong
Fire can be absolutely devastating, when supported by sun and chlorophyll

Vensuaur Charizard fusions are exactly what got chlorophyll banned

#

But yeah they have a lot of issues

odd kiln
#

it wasnt those it was entei leafeon

obtuse shoal
#

Ban entei
Glory to big stall

odd kiln
#

entei itself is not ||that|| broken

obtuse shoal
#

You can't burn it
And even resists can take a lot of damage

odd kiln
#

no fat waters do fine

obtuse shoal
#

My politoed mew fusion wasn't stopping them that well

#

But I guess wall breakers must exist in this game

odd kiln
#

how

obtuse shoal
odd kiln
#

well then thatd explain

obtuse shoal
#

It still really hard to stop
I feel like it requires a dedicated member to stop it

odd kiln
#

so just a fat water

obtuse shoal
#

Not like entei doesn't have answers for that
Like grass types

odd kiln
#

without chlorophyll most grass fusion enteis are not great

#

slow and/or weak so easy to revenge

obtuse shoal
#

I guess

radiant rivet
#

especially in Mono type

vital sand
#

I kinda feel like Dragons now has a more defensive role since fairy types exist

#

It resists the main Fire Water Grass core as well as electric

#

but it doesnt hit anything supereffectively besides other dragons

#

And fairies just wall them

odd kiln
#

i also disagree

#

a good amount of dragons that get fused in regular dont use their dragon type

vital sand
odd kiln
#

regardless you see stuff like sylnite, jirachomp, hymega, etc

#

these are fusions of dragon mons that arent actually dragon

#

bc the stats are better the other way

#

if you flipped hymega itd be terrible

cobalt panther
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for monotype, does every fusion need to have the same primary type? ive got a team with all steel types but when I try to validate it it says they must share a type

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but some of mine are steel secondary types

mossy violet
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might be a bug

odd kiln
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it is a bug

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dunscy is looking into it

cobalt panther
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word

vital sand
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Fuck it

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everyone going steel, im going fire

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I just wish HDB is in gen 7 sadge

hexed umbra
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Everyone's probably going water

vital sand
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Actually they probably would

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The regenerator stalls

hexed umbra
obtuse shoal
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wait is there a monotype?

vital sand
obtuse shoal
vital sand
vital sand
obtuse shoal
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august 26...

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alright

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it's highly likely water will win

vital sand
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Got it

radiant rivet
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I wouldnt say Rain is a free win

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I think Ice might also have a shot

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Especially since Freeze dry kinda screws most "good" water dual types over. (Grass, Dragon, ground flying)

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I think Rain will have the problem that too many players will prep against it.(Like Calyrex Shadow)

vital sand
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to be honest ive always wanted to make a rain team since tour one

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Sand team isnt working i feel

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Yea thinking of scrapping it

radiant rivet
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can I ask why you run Hp poison?

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Flying sounds like a solid type

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You could also fuse Ttar with a ground type

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so get access to sandslash.
And ground rock is solid offensivly for Lycanrock

vital sand
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I just use Lycan for the sand rush

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And necrozma for the power gem

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And I found out that you dont keep sand rush after u change to ultra necrozma

radiant rivet
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good to know.

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usually in sand teams magic guard psychics fill the roll of Special attacker

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Perhaps there is a typ suited for sand

hexed umbra
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Ultra Necrozma shouldn't be allowed in the tournament?

vital sand
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oh no

radiant rivet
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What fusion can learn Double Iron bash?

I know Scizor with clef can learn it.
But what are the requirements for a fusion to get access to it?
(How Anchor shot is available by fusing a water and steel type even if The resulting mon is neither Steel nor Water.)

vital sand
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probably anyone with double slap + is steel type

radiant rivet
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thx

obtuse shoal
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so what is banned in doubles?

vital sand
obtuse shoal
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haha swift swim water spout go brrrr

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oh

vital sand
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Geomancy isnt banned

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Shell smash isnt banned

obtuse shoal
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shadow tag isn't banned

vital sand
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Huge power is still banned tho

vital sand
obtuse shoal
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boomburst isn't banned

vital sand
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OH NO

obtuse shoal
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porygon/noivern

vital sand
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Death

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damn wonder guard still banned

obtuse shoal
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oh baton pass is allowed

pure breach
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Very unregulated because it’s gotten 0 play

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Poryvern next to a Whimclops sounds good

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Wide Guard will be great as usual

obtuse shoal
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instruct will be funny to see

radiant rivet
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what happens when a magic guard user uses Belly drum?

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does it sac its hp?