showdown-general

[pallid oracle]

whats up

i need help biulding my team

[long dragon]

Hello. I'm new to this showdown stuff. I wanted to battle a friend of mine, how do I do that?

[odd kiln]

both of you login then you click on their name in lobby and click challenge

[long dragon]

ok so how do I put my in game fusions on the web?

[odd kiln]

no way to do that automatically you just have to type it in yourself

[chilly summit]

You can export your team with this npc, then import it into showdown directly

[long dragon]

thx

[sturdy cradle]

time to do one of those car wash fundraisers

[pallid oracle]

What

[oak spruce]

Wha?

Sorry i don’t really know how to help with team building

So I deleted my original one

[odd kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/bruh-nawh-no-way-fr-gif-22615915

[oak spruce]

Well actually if you don’t know this don’t always put 252 in the two best stats. You can use a damage calculator to make sure your Pokémon can survive hits it normally would not

[sturdy cradle]

actually

this feature is genius af for looking at EVs and IVs for PIF only players

[mossy violet]

is that even possible with fusions tho?
it might survive the close combat of X fusion but it wouldnt of X fusion

[oak spruce]

You just adjust the stats on the normal one

Does make it way harder to know what to invest in but you can just make a staple mon really strong and see if it survives🤷

[low basalt]

hello whos in charge of the showdown stuff i need some help with something

[odd kiln]

with what

[low basalt]

oh wait i thought it was a mod or something changing my name nah its just a person changing their own name to hate on me im all good

[oak spruce]

Why is someone hating on you?

[low basalt]

i dont even know lmao

my guess would be that i played a game and was winning but its a different person than i played

[haughty dust]

So you can use your fused team in Pokemon showdown?

[odd kiln]

yes

[haughty dust]

@round relic

[haughty dust]

Can you explain how pls

[round relic]

:0

[haughty dust]

Are infinite fusion teams can battle!

But we just have to find out how

[odd kiln]

just read up

[round relic]

lemme finish the game rq tho

there's a few team members i want

who i still haven't found

i need me a magneton and a tyrantrum

[haughty dust]

I'm not online currently anyhow

But we can schedule a time and place for our battle

[haughty dust]

Just let me know how to do it

[round relic]

I ain't even close to finishing the game neither, I just got to lavender towm

Town*

[haughty dust]

I didn't say we should battle today or tomorrow lol

Just that we can schedule a time to play after you figure out how we do it

Plus we don't have to finish the game

Plus plus you have an advantage
I can't play it daily cuz I have to stream it

[cyan rock]

yooo

i have a qustion

when i was playing my opp used trick room

and normally it lasts for 4 turns

but the text said 4 or 6 turns

like when u used rain dance with a damp rock

is there an item that makes trick room lastt more than 4 turns ?

[odd kiln]

trick rock but only in the insurgence meta

[long dragon]

Whats the difference between gen7 regional and gen9 national ? I was seaching for some mons and only found them on national...

[dull plaza]

Gen 7 regional is only mons that are in Infinite Fusion. Gen 9 natdex is every Pokémon that exists

[long dragon]

oohh ok thx

also whats different from OU to AG?

[dull plaza]

AG stands for Anything Goes, meaning every Pokémon, even if they’re overpowered. OU bans stuff that are too overpowered, making it more balanced

[long dragon]

that makes sense thx!!

[quaint vine]

I've a single question. How is weight determined for a Fusion?

[odd kiln]

average of the mons

[quaint vine]

Aight. So a Guzzlord/Stakataka is still gonna be absurdly heavy

[opal fiber]

What's a good set for Klinketta (Klinklang/Melo-P)

I wanna build a team around her as a fast sweeper

[pure breach]

Probably something similar to Klinkxorus, Shift Gear / CC / Gear Grind / Coverage,

Or you could run band/scarf depending on speed tier and run CC / Gear Grind / Coverage / Uturn

[sturdy cradle]

Iron Head over Gear Grind can be swapped in to take advantage of Serene Grace and if you hate accuracy dependent moves

will also give you 1 less Iron Barbs/Rocky Helmet hit

[odd kiln]

idk why you would use band klinklang though

like that mons whole niche is to use shift gear

otherwise just use metagross/jirachi

[pure breach]

Because the initial premise was Klinklang/Melo-P, I’m just giving options

[vernal spoke]

Wtf are those players that dont even finish the battle

[vivid trail]

Is there a mode for the fusion showdown where it allows the user to give any ability to a pokemon?

[odd kiln]

no

[sturdy cradle]

Fusions more or less let’s you do that

[stone heath]

why am i unable to update my game

[placid hornet]

#tech-support

[odd kiln]

yeah showdown has no update feature lol

[grizzled oak]

Is there a way to know what fusions get which expert moves?

[pure breach]

It uses conditions which can be found on the wiki: https://infinitefusion.fandom.com/wiki/Move_Expert_Move_Lists

[verbal monolith]

So is there no custom mode?

Or custom game?

[odd kiln]

oh there is

[obtuse shoal]

so what's your experience with dragonite ursaring

It feels like pokemon that surprise me on how viable they are are few and far between.

[warped veldt]

Ursaring but give it good stats and Extreme Speed

[slim peak]

Hi, I want play in pokemonshowdonw with a friend with our teams of pokemon fusion. Our games are randomised. But, pokemon show down don't accept our team. Do you now a solution please ?

[undone surge]

Use the team in a format where its legal

[undone surge]

Ok mon, has its checks and stuff

i personally dont rly like espeed it kinda makes scarf redundant ngl unless its a chandelure fusion tbh

[undone surge]

The issue is your using swellow in a formst where ndm is allowed

[little folio]

💀 swellow is crazy

[blissful onyx]

Do they have the same stats as the generater

[pure breach]

They should

[empty wraith]

I just go funny mody

[obtuse shoal]

well that's why the game is full of steels

you know, some types I couldn't live without are ground steel and water

ground hits so much shit super effectively, including some hard answers like steel, electric and fire

and steel and water are just defensive powerhouses

[mossy violet]

i like running bug types :XD:

[thorny crag]

How does this work

[undone surge]

read pinned

[obtuse shoal]

oh wow swampert can learn thousand

oh it's thousand waves, not arrows

[waxen imp]

guys this dosen't add up with infinite fusion

[tiny wadi]

Can someone give me showdown link for Infinite fusions?

[fast elm]

https://play.pokeathlon.com its also in the description of this chat

and pins

[empty wraith]

wait

[obtuse shoal]

In showdown I'm running an unaware iron defense calm mind steel fairy clefable

But now I'm also wondering about cosmic power

toxic cosmic power stored power seems fun

[odd kiln]

sounds terrible

bc for one poison dark walls it

[obtuse shoal]

yep, I was also thinking about steel

but steels you can have some magnet pulls

[odd kiln]

hell of a lot of work just for a mon that takes 6 turns to actually do something

[obtuse shoal]

i guess I can just ditch stored power

I was also wondering which pokemon should I choose for it^
registeel is weak to ground, so I was thinking between umbreon, porygon2, dusclops or cofagrigus

[sturdy cradle]

use CM Iron Def

it's so bad without Body Press but itll do

[obtuse shoal]

yeah it's what I'm running

but I honestly feel like experimenting a bit

[clever vessel]

Is birabel actually OP because of simple? Or is it just not broken enough, since i imagine priority is not as hard to come across.

[sturdy cradle]

stats hold it back

same with speed tier

[odd kiln]

ive theorymonned cm id clefmew

wait why did i do cm when it has qd

Am I Stupid?

[sturdy cradle]

we can ban QD tbh

if it means freeing Volcarona

[odd kiln]

possible

id much rather do qd suspect first then free volc though

[obtuse shoal]

unaware too I imagine?

[odd kiln]

mg

[waxen imp]

this dosen't lineup with the ingame fusion of this

is it a bug an overseight or somethin?

[fast elm]

its type order changed in update 6.1 and I didn't notice, will fix it soon

[waxen imp]

cheers

[oak spruce]

Does garganacl counter calyrex-shadow? Cus it looks like it does

[odd kiln]

no bc calys uses sub and grass knot sometimes

plus it doesnt do enough dmg to where calys can just plot 3 times

[lone dust]

I’ve run qd/id clefmew before and it didn’t perform as well as I’d hoped. Defensive typing just isn’t great, and you have to either sacrifice coverage or recovery

[lavish maple]

https://pokepast.es/280b0f3b3adad5d8 this is what ive made so far any tips for items or maybe a better move or evs?

[undone surge]

qd clefmew is ok, although needing to sacrifice bulk/speed evs is annoyig since it needs both tbh

[undone surge]

Your entire team needs an overall revamp, all the moves, items, maybe fusions too but client wont open so cant check those rn

I would suggest reading

https://www.smogon.com/articles/getting-started

just learn some standard fundamentals and look at how certain pokemon perform and how to optimize it, using smogon sets to have an idea of what a specific mon would run/their ideas and such still work for IF.

albeit it wont be exact, its overall fine

i'll try and do some fixes on my phone once i can open client

[lavish maple]

i cant change the fusions as its a theme team of ash's pokemon cause its more fun than just using meta stuff and this is more for like friendly matches not like vgc level battles so i dont want like hazards and stuff

i also wanna try using this for my playthrough as i feel it would be fun

with some of the items i picked i just picked what i thought could be cool

[undone surge]

I mean this isnt really what its supposed to be for, but I'll accomdate and just attempt to make this current thing better

[lavish maple]

thx

my team has a big ice and rock weakness with a couple fairy weaknesses so thats y i got steel on a couple of em

but yeah if u can think of better moves or items for the team that would be amazing!

[undone surge]

https://pokepast.es/be1b0a8c1de85661

I mean you could change whatever u want if its for fun and shit but i tried to make it work ig

[pliant lantern]

Yo

Why is stuff banned in Ag

Wait

[little folio]

?

[pliant lantern]

I’m so stupid I think I just realized

It says megas are illegal because you have to transform mid battle

Oghhh

[little folio]

lol

[pliant lantern]

Gen 9 ag anyone?

[bleak totem]

Sorry this question might be really stupid but what format do I need to select in showdown to play with fusions

[undone surge]

read pinned and obviously the format is the one that says

IF

[bleak totem]

Yeah I don't have this one

[primal wedge]

And you are trying through http://play.pokeathlon.com/ ?

[bleak totem]

No I was not didn't now I needed to open showdown through this link

[waxen imp]

uhhh

i dont think necrozma was properly implimented

[odd kiln]

luckily i put in a pull req to fix that

once yoshi gets to it it will be fixed soon

[waxen imp]

fusing triple fusions, huh

[odd kiln]

illegal

[waxen imp]

ah darn

"why dose no one want to battle me in AG" their team: https://pokepast.es/38eb740ee501683e

[waxen imp]

yet another glitch i've found

its meant to be steel/grass type

[undone surge]

Only works if arceus is the main body (well in nd at least) but yeah could be an infinite fusion thing actually

[opal fiber]

Permaweather

[waxen imp]

no, i have an arceus dialga fusion with a meadow plate but its steel/grass type

and arceus isn't the body

[undone surge]

nah i mean like at least in nd arceus needs to be body, idk if this is an infinite fusion game thing cause i dont use arceus there

i can make a bug report if u want

[waxen imp]

made it

[hexed umbra]

The entire meta is going to be flipped on its head

V-Create Entei did not need a damage boost

[undone surge]

what...

[unborn pine]

No permaweather
No permaweather
No permaweather
No permaweather

[unborn pine]

I think it should be banned :]

[fast elm]

tiering council will do their job here with weather, so you can expect something from them soon

[solar kettle]

I noticed species clause doesnt trigger with Venustoizard+Venusaur, is that how it should work?

[undone surge]

i mean they're technically not the same mon

[solar kettle]

all fusions have different dex numbers, but that doesnt stop fusion species clause

[odd kiln]

bc venustoizard is labeled as a different mon entirely

its not counted as a fusion really its counted as its own mon

[low basalt]

what are some fusions that have put in a lot of work for yall personally

[undone surge]

Shit listed as OU, most stuff listed as UU or below it can make stuff work

[waxen imp]

this

[waxen imp]

how tf dose this work?

[undone surge]

doesnt even beat steel fairies ew

[waxen imp]

i can give it eq over knock off :/

[undone surge]

probably similiar to how it is ingame, if it isnt working prolly a bug

[waxen imp]

it didn't work with an accrual arceus that's fused

[undone surge]

Arceus body doesnt work yeah

[waxen imp]

#1237335376973139978

even though it works in game

[undone surge]

Just wait till yoshi sees it

u can post it in poa instead could be faster for yoshi to see

[waxen imp]

poa?

[undone surge]

dev server

[waxen imp]

oh wait i had it somehow fused with an arceus

[undone surge]

Fusing triple fusions w/ normal stuff automatically makes it illegal

[waxen imp]

yea but it was invisable for me

[waxen imp]

do you see any fused mon here?

[undone surge]

Did u change formats to a non IF format

[waxen imp]

i think i did yea

[undone surge]

Thats prolly why

[waxen imp]

yea

[low basalt]

i think ive gone againstj more defensive variants

[waxen imp]

ok?

[shut shard]

WHY IS WEATHER PERMANENT???????

[odd kiln]

because thats how it works ingame

[shut shard]

that's how weather works

a frog is not kyogre

even with kyogre the rain goes away when it switches out

[odd kiln]

thats pogre

[shut shard]

weather does not need to be permanent in a pvp setting

[odd kiln]

showdown emulates whatever is in the game to the best of its abilities

its not a matter of "need"

[shut shard]

YOU CAN DO THAT ALREADY

WITH NORMAL WEATHER

[odd kiln]

but weather is infinite in if

so weather is infinite in showdown

[shut shard]

only in specific areas, not caused by pokemon

[odd kiln]

#showdown-general message

[shut shard]

Just makes the damp, heat, icy rock useless

[odd kiln]

those still extend the use of sunny day/rain dance/sandstorm/hail

[shut shard]

why would use that when I can just have perma weather huh?

[odd kiln]

when we ban drought/drizzle

[shut shard]

why make weather permanent anyways????????

it just doesn't make sense

[odd kiln]

idk how its hard to understand

[shut shard]

like in general

in-game too

[odd kiln]

take it up with the devs then

[shut shard]

I mean there's literally 0 counterplay unless I bring drizzle, sand stream, or drought

how is that fun?

[odd kiln]

were going to ban drizzle and drought which are the most powerful weathers

[shut shard]

banning is not the solution to everything

doesn't fix a stupid idea

[odd kiln]

showdown is a battle sim we are not at liberty to arbitrarily change mechanics

we work with what we have

[strange goblet]

the original sleep clause on showdown did change mechanics

[odd kiln]

thats why they moved to sleep move clause

[dull plaza]

The point of IFDex formats to to be as accurate as possible as the game to make it feel like you’re actually battling in the game. IF has permaweather, so we must too

[amber siren]

We should do a smogon-type poll where people who actually play on the ladder get to decide

[dry goblet]

You can’t have permanent weather then proceed to ban the abilities that get effected by weather lmao

That’s literally so backwards

[odd kiln]

its just a preliminary poll

[amber siren]

This is not the thing to get mad about

you have clearly never played gen 5 ou

[dry goblet]

I have it was terrible

[fast elm]

yeah this is not to decide, just to get a feel for what ppl want

[amber siren]

drizzle + swift swim + infinite weather is the most broken team structure in pokemon history

[dry goblet]

No shit

[odd kiln]

the difference in opinion between this server and pokeathlon is staggering btw

[dry goblet]

Especially sand stream + rush Excadrill

[amber siren]

my main concern is that people who never played the meta won't know how drizzle+swimmers/sand stream+rush/drought+chlorophyll would fit into the meta

because this is an inherently high power meta right

[odd kiln]

quite high

[amber siren]

drought+chlorophyll wouldn't get banned in BH

[dry goblet]

Well yeah

It would turn into all that stuff being banned for being too strong

At least in the regular ladder formats

[amber siren]

why run drought when it gets outsped by espeed dragonite anyway right

[odd kiln]

you run drought in bh to blow things up with tinted/chloro vcreate

[amber siren]

true

truth be told i haven't played the meta at all but in concept i think you let it run amok for a day or two

and quickban it if it's BAD bad

[fast elm]

its been 2 days already

[amber siren]

but in a meta as inherently powerful as IFDex i'd imagine there would be ways to avoid immediate death via chlorophyll eruption

[odd kiln]

its mostly like running a dragon type or flash fire

which is quite shaky considering spd dragons are not impressive otherwise

[amber siren]

yeah

youve got like

what

fucking GOODRA?

[odd kiln]

goondra

[amber siren]

lmfao

some wackass chansey/dragonite fusion?

[odd kiln]

next best thing would maybe be ttar idk

chansey is banned

[amber siren]

oh thats so fucking real

i fw that hard

[amber siren]

has it been BAD bad?

like it's gonna be strong duh but like

[fast elm]

i haven't been paying attention at all

[amber siren]

noted

[fast elm]

@odd kiln

[odd kiln]

i was too busy running hail stall in 1200s so i havent seen enough

[amber siren]

LMFAO

nah nah you dont see the vision

what r they gonna do when they run into that a.ninetales/quagsire fusion w/snow warning blizzard aurora veil recover n shit

water/fairy goes hard

[odd kiln]

So True.

[amber siren]

then they touch you with a physical move and you perish

💀

you take chip from your own hail

💀 💀 💀

nah if the low ladders need reminding on why permanent weather is broken i might hop on the ladder and reshape the meta rq

this poll is crazy

run the 3 weather team

drought/chloro+eruption/drizzle/swim+water spout/sand/rush+bulky offense

thats the whole team

trust

one of those cores'll beat all the teams on the ladder 💀

[unborn pine]

Why is everyone voting option 3

[odd kiln]

uninformed probably

[dull plaza]

They don’t realize how strong weather actually is

[feral anchor]

people usually dont wanna have things banned even tho its bad for them...

[supple smelt]

i dont know how strong it is, i want to let chaos unfold for a week

thats why im voting 3

also my sweetheart tyranitar will be the king of weather again once these heathens leave

[waxen imp]

has the arceus bug been patched?

[undone surge]

its most likely that sand and sun get banned/complexed first

and than sand ban/complex

[fast elm]

no it will be a while since its rly complicated

for now it should still be possible to just use whatever forme you want

[waxen imp]

its meant to be steel/grass

[fast elm]

try selecting arceus grass

oh I see not legal

alright thats easier to fix

[waxen imp]

im guessing the ultra necrozma is a bit more tricky?

[fast elm]

i tried adding it yesterday and it broke a bunch of stuff so yes

[fast elm]

thanks, I know

[supple smelt]

does ultra necrozmas transformation item function as a z-stone or an orb like the primals

[supple smelt]

yknow, sandslash might be a bit broken with thousand arrows

https://sim.pokeathlon.com/replays/2forttroll-themedteams2-1715243949478.html

if ya dont have priority of course

[undone surge]

Not at all

There are many more

Broken stuff

[undone surge]

Wdym by this

[hexed umbra]

Hail teams still probably wouldnt be very good even without drought/drizzle, poor ice types

[supple smelt]

how does necrozma turn to ultra necrozma

With a key or battle item?

And is the battle item only used for the transformation or can it be used as a Z-Move like in USUM

[summer estuary]

Ultranecrozmium-z

[supple smelt]

in this game i mean

[solar kettle]

yknow considering we're currently entering the gen 5 arc its a bit unfortunate the replays dont show current weather

[fast elm]

can you make a bug report

[solar kettle]

done

[dull plaza]

Necrozium, if you select Necrozma it’ll show it as the first item you can choose from

[supple smelt]

aight, an orb then

[waxen imp]

i hate the fact that weather is permanent in this

[plain token]

I haven't been in this server in a good while they got channels dedicated to Showdown now?

[shut shard]

yes

[plain token]

Holy peak

[spring lagoon]

hey are yall ever gonna fix the error for the insurgence stuff and now uranium stuff saying that it doesnt exist? also the new types as tera types would be cool

[spring lagoon]

oh and some custom megas

all that shit

every time yall add a fangame the chaos i can unleash increases tenfold

like if yall ever add empyrean im using prankster delete matrix with a leppa berry

theres other stuff i have my eye on from it too of course

like at this rate i wont fucking need any other showdown

and i can do crossover shit i cant do anywhere else

oh also cant use certain forms in custom game as fusion still

[sturdy cradle]

I would talk about this in the Showdown server/Discord server itself, this section is just for Fusions

[verbal spear]

Getting confirmation I suck at online battling

[spring lagoon]

dont think anythings surviving this

[spring lagoon]

if they keep adding shit i wont need any other showdown

[undone surge]

@spring lagoon ^

[unborn pine]

252+ Atk Pixilate Abomasnow Explosion vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Melmetal: 200-236 (45.8 - 54.1%) -- 50.8% chance to 2HKO :P

(pretend like the names are right

[spring lagoon]

i didnt post this for competitive i posted it because i like to show off broken stuff i made that makes big number go bigger so id appreciate it if you didnt with the input thanks

[spring lagoon]

and id appreciate it if you didnt ping me for something i already saw

[undone surge]

you still posted it here anywasy

[spring lagoon]

a place to discuss general stuff about the Pokemon Infinite Fusion Showdown :)

this is on the infinite fusion showdown

and what i posted was a fusion as well

just had to deal with a lot of bullshit and im not in the mood so im gonna go do my own thing now

[odd kiln]

im my own thing now

[spring lagoon]

no

[unborn pine]

I didn't post for comp either I just something that survives it :>>

[spring lagoon]

still id rather you dont with the input

not in the mood to deal with more shit

now im gonna go enjoy my time before i have to get ready for work

which is gonna be really fuckin busy

because mothers day

by the way i work at a restaurant

[glacial bane]

So I have been out of it a while, why will we (most likely) now ban an entire strategy?

I get perma weather is a thing now...but that's not too different from how you played weather before and how you'd still play it.

First we said "I don't wanna play around Spore, get rid of it."
Then "Oh no, a glass canon is doing glass canon things."
Now this.

You are not asking people with suspect tests "Is this balanced, what is your opinion?"...with the way you set it up you are asking people that play this a lot "Do you wanna get rid of a strategy you are to lazy to prepare for or play around?"

[odd kiln]

perma weather gameplay is completely different from temporary weather gameplay because for the latter the main goal for the opponent of weather is to stall out weather turns

[odd kiln]

i think its insulting that youre accusing me of being too lazy to prepare for an oppressive mechanic (as seen in gen 5 ou) when ive been playing this whole time and youve said yourself you havent been playing for a while

were setting up this suspect test because we have played with and against weather and found it to be more problematic than broken so of course wed have a tone that is more against it

otherwise we wouldnt have a suspect test in the first place

[solar kettle]

keep in mind u gotta actually play with the mechanic to get voting rights, so if it was a question of laziness voting rights would not be attained,
its asking people willing and able to play well enough with the mechanic whether its healthy

the just asking people part was already done in the poll beforehand, so if anything if this turns out to be a ban those that want to keep it were too lazy to get reqs

[mellow fable]

How to trade or add sprite in showndown?

[obtuse shoal]

so how is ferrothorn used

[odd kiln]

spiker

[obtuse shoal]

Really? I heard it was like an anti water mon

[odd kiln]

if head

[obtuse shoal]

So what's the point of using it as a body? Steel with leech seed?

[odd kiln]

steel with spikes

[obtuse shoal]

Isn't skarmory better?
Better rec with roost

[odd kiln]

terrible head material and flying when body

[obtuse shoal]

it seems clefable fusions will be op for a long time

It's either magic guard or unaware, and it has recovery

and it can set up too

it's weak to the eq/toxic combo though

[odd kiln]

not if its mg

[obtuse shoal]

mg?

oh magic guard

[waxen imp]

i can agree, clefable is OP

i mean fairy/steel type

[obtuse shoal]

Even ghost fairy ones are excellent

Perhaps even umbreon clefable

And suicune clefable

[waxen imp]

steelix clefable

[odd kiln]

bad

[undone surge]

Ground fairy for ideal stats

ground fairy is better of being an offensive type

[obtuse shoal]

registeel clefable

but if you want a special ground type there's nidoking

[waxen imp]

ugh that thing is a menace

[obtuse shoal]

also, probopass has similar stats

Clef just seems like the gsc snorlax of if dex

Every team should have it or it's at a disadvantage

[spiral bear]

is there a damage calculator?

[obtuse shoal]

The weather wars are back

and it basically forces you to run weather

the only thing that can overpower Sun V create and chlorophylls is rain with waters and steels

[waxen imp]

yep

[mellow fable]

How to trade or add sprite in showndown??

[hexed umbra]

You cant add a sprite to showdown, though you could request the sprite to be made in #sprite-requests

Do you mean trading between players? Thats not a thing, but you can export teams to pokepaste and then give another person the link

[hushed moat]

Hello. Where can I find the list of Uber pokemon?

[odd kiln]

just open ag

[pliant lantern]

@fluid gull thanks for pokerogue man

highlight of my year

[raw wharf]

I don’t think you should be thanking the transphobe but alright

[burnt pivot]

hey

play.pokeathlon.com's stuck on loading client

hold on wait theres a forum for this my bad

[unborn pine]

Yeah I use unaware clefable alongside something with aromatherapy though it's rare that I need the move, since most of the time you switch in on physical attacker, scare them out and heal again before toxic does too much

[unborn pine]

Why in this channel?

[unborn pine]

woah

[odd kiln]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/862940088122867722/1192253422322319380/170432570918044026.gif

[unborn pine]

I wonder what he's weak to

(Probably Ground)

[spring lagoon]

sucks that bonus type doesnt work with fusions

except the triple fusions

[fast elm]

describe the issue?

[spring lagoon]

it doesnt add the type

only with fusions tho any mons that arent fusions besides the triple fusions get it

[pliant lantern]

Not gonna try to fight this, but just wanted to put this here
If i see you eating pineapple pizza i may disagree with that as its my opinion that pineapple on pizza is wrong, but, i nevertheless let you eat it as its your choice to live your life your way.
If you wanna discuss more, take it to my dm's pls

[tepid dust]

Are there any specially defensive grass types?

[rich spade]

What tier?

Wo chien is pretty specially defensive but doesn't really like assault vest

Virizion has high special defence and can run vest well

[odd kiln]

virizion is a mediocre mon and a terrible vest mon

tangrowth is a good vest grass

[tepid dust]

Nvm I found a way to make a scuffed discount amoongus with Toxapex and Cradilly

Pex has:

• Poison typing
• Regenerator
• Haze (because IF doesn't have Clear Smog)
  Cradily has:
• Spore
• Grass typing
• High special defense
  All in all you're looking at a grass/poison type with similar effective bulk to Amoongus (114/70/80 for Amoongus versus this thing's 62/115/130) and a lot of the same moves with the addition of Baneful Bunker, Pain Split, Rocks, non-HP Ice coverage, and Knock off at the expense of Foul Play (and mathematically worse bulk).

8/10, fits the bill for a substitute

[undone surge]

Alternative
Jigrowth

[odd kiln]

why would pain split be relevant when it has recover

[low basalt]

is there any reliable ways to beat weather without your own weather

[lone dust]

Get good /s

But that question is a large reason why there is a weather suspect test happening at the moment

[low basalt]

really the only thing i can think of is to try and outlast the pokemon with really defensive dragon types

[tiny wadi]

Anyone Wana battle

[deft oasis]

having gotten reqs in the weather suspect test without using a weather team, I can assure you it's doable, but you'll want to strongly consider having at least two Water or Dragon type mons on your team just to withstand the Sun/Rain onslaught

ideally a Water mon that's not weak to Grass would be great against Sun, and one that's not weak to Electric or Dragon would be great against Rain

[tiny wadi]

Uzako wanan battle

[deft oasis]

sorry I'm not exactly free at the moment

[tiny wadi]

It's ok

[low basalt]

Yeah I've been using a gliscor/goodra fusion as well as a slowbro/forretress fusion

[tiny wadi]

Bander Wana battle

[low basalt]

I can't rn but maybe in a bit

[tiny wadi]

Ok i use only bug types btw

[low basalt]

I might have battled you before

[tiny wadi]

I never battled anyone before

Btw if we do battle we doing IF free-for-all

[low basalt]

Free for all?

[tiny wadi]

Ye

[low basalt]

Oh I don't think I know it

[tiny wadi]

It's the gen 9 one

[low basalt]

Ohhh ok I don't have teams for that. I also don't think I can I had something come up

[tiny wadi]

Ok

[undone surge]

you just need to have checks on your team no matter what

depending on the way the team is built

[low basalt]

me teams pretty good with rain but it strugggles a bit against sun

those sun boosted v creates hurt

[low basalt]

worry seed i think is such an underrated move in this game

[deft oasis]

it's a niche option that's particularly useful against Poison Heal and Regenerator, but once you reveal it to your opponent it becomes easier for them to play around it

[low basalt]

i mean yeah but. sometimes you just dont have a better more lmao

its can also be nice against a lot of other things lots of things rely on abilities

[odd kiln]

its a good way to ensure ph doesnt make progress

also if you reveal it when the psn damage is v high you can effectively put the mon out of commission

still prefer mummy though bc it doesnt require a turn

[low basalt]

mummy also requires the pokemon to make contact tho right

[odd kiln]

most of them do

[low basalt]

on an unrelated note sand force is a crazy ability

[odd kiln]

crazy mid

[hexed umbra]

Its only on Dugtrio and Probopass though

[mellow fable]

How to add sprite

Add or trade

[undone surge]

the devs add it

[mellow fable]

Is there any way I can ask one of them to put a specific sprite?

[odd kiln]

#sprite-requests

[wary wedge]

Are you all playing on the custom infinite fusion pokemon showdown server?

I only found about it yesterday

That's pretty cool

[unborn pine]

Does prankster affect dark types here? I don't remember if it does in IF

[true wedge]

Dark types are indeed immune to prankster on the Showdown client.

[mighty knot]

dark types are immune to prankster

[pure breach]

Since Gen 6

[unborn pine]

yes I know but I thought I saw something in the game itself about that not being a thing but I may have misremembered

Also I think that was gen 7

[pallid oracle]

help what should i use

[tepid dust]

Is water/grass a good defensive type?

[odd kiln]

yeah

essentially grass with no fire weak and steel resist

[frail kindle]

Yeah

The only major issue is that youre weak to flying which makes switching in on certain things kinda rough

Poison too, but not nearly as bad

[obtuse shoal]

honestly flying rarely appears

[obtuse shoal]

yeah, I've been using a grass water suicune tangrowth fusion and it basically walls whole rain teams

unless they're using flying types

[frail kindle]

kid named braze bird

brave*

it just depends on the tier too though

[deft oasis]

Brave Bird is incredibly rare; the most common Flying type move (in IF Dex OU at least) is probably Oblivion Wing (usually Hymega, but can be any other Dark/Flying fusion)

sometimes Hurricane pops up in Rain teams but I haven't seen that much of it either

[obtuse shoal]

No wonder water grass is such a good typing
It's only weak to bug poison flying and freeze dry

[frail kindle]

mhm

Thats why ludicolo was a pretty good wall for a good chunk of time

[frail kindle]

thats fair, but its still something to watch out for as more builds can run it more reliably due to rock head

[undone surge]

since when was ludicolo a wall????

[undone surge]

pretty nonexistent in dex ou, water/grass seems pretty mid to me

if you want a probably better mon pair said water type with a pokemon that complements the type even more, but at the end it depends on the team

[frail kindle]

For quite a bit of its competitive usage, it was run as a special attacking wall or occasionally just a staller if it didn't run an assault vest.

It didn't see wide spread usage

But it could switch into quite a few things and be pretty safe

[obtuse shoal]

now we have even bulkier options

[frail kindle]

yeah

if you want a good typing just slap anything infront of steel ngl

[obtuse shoal]

steel rock

lol

[frail kindle]

Wellll

Atleast it resists fairy i guess?

[obtuse shoal]

and it stops brave birds...

[frail kindle]

truly the most wide spread opponent any competitive player faces

[undone surge]

brave bird is nonexistent in reg dex

[obtuse shoal]

i mean, I do think it's weird that flying is so underutilized

[frail kindle]

its a good type

genuinely one of the better ones

[obtuse shoal]

Like, flying fighting is almost unwallable

[frail kindle]

im actually running a flying fighting type on my IF team

Scyther/lucario with technician

and metronome

[undone surge]

my head still cant get around you saying

av ludicolo

[obtuse shoal]

so mach punches, and eviolite

[undone surge]

because it only exists on rain team and its got some shit ass bulk with a mid type

[undone surge]

metronome fr

[frail kindle]

Water grass is a pretty good defensive type though

[obtuse shoal]

you can bring it in on waters and grounds

which are 2 of the best types in the game

[frail kindle]

It doesnt resist much, but it has few actually present weaknesses

[undone surge]

not rly

Water/Grass:
Weaknesses: Bug, Flying, Poison
Resistances: Ground, Steel, Water
Immunities: Powder moves

[undone surge]

i mean that doesnt really mean much

you can just do like any other type combo thats just better

[frail kindle]

Those are good weaknesses to have though

[frail kindle]

theres obviously better types

but that wasnt the question

[obtuse shoal]

especially if you're using a grass type

it's a grass type that doesn't fear fire

[undone surge]

meh

weak to uturn

its just slightly better grass type

tbh

[frail kindle]

Its a MUCH better grass type

[obtuse shoal]

grass types aren't really that bad though

[frail kindle]

neither are water types

[undone surge]

much?

not rly

it only trades off neutral to elec and ice

and steel resist too ig

ig it also removes fire weakness

still gets fucking nuked by vcreate so doesnt rly matter

[frail kindle]

literally

everything does

[undone surge]

bulky resists do

[frail kindle]

mfw when the 180 BP move used by a stacked up ray nukes a pokemon

[obtuse shoal]

what kind of team do you use hades?

sun?

but grass water isn't there to be a better water

it's there to be a better grass

[frail kindle]

also the question wasnt "is it the best type in the game"

just was it a good defensive type

and the answer is

its pretty good

[undone surge]

now the question is

why do you need a slightly better grass

[undone surge]

not rly, its just slightly better grass and grass is one of the worse types

[frail kindle]

aight nah youre just trolling atp

[undone surge]

.

[frail kindle]

my brother in christ

I know the type chart

[undone surge]

if you do than why'd you say it was a good defensive type

it realistically is just slightly better grass which is a bad type

[frail kindle]

because being weak to three almost competitively nonexistent types isnt that bad

[obtuse shoal]

again, resistance to waters and earthquake

[frail kindle]

You have to worry about U-turn

and whoever runs flying moves

[obtuse shoal]

no one runs flying moves

because steels are everpresent in this game mode

[frail kindle]

I do, but i like muh birds

[frail kindle]

best type

[undone surge]

ridiculously fat waters, gliscor fusions, other fat grass, fat dragons can do those

with overall better types

[frail kindle]

Again

no one is saying

it is the best type

[obtuse shoal]

Hey hades wanna go a game against me

and my suicune tangrowth

[frail kindle]

so based

[undone surge]

i mean sure

if the client loads

[obtuse shoal]

I'm in

[frail kindle]

watch out for the entire team of flying, bug, and poison types

[obtuse shoal]

oh that's it?

then I just use clefable

[undone surge]

the main issue i have with it is that its "real" resistances are water and ground

[frail kindle]

Thats fair, it doesnt resist much but its neutral to alot

which makes it a pretty fair defensive combo

[undone surge]

needs more resistances

to be actually

good

[frail kindle]

Especially when its only weak to three almost completely nonexistent types for comp

[undone surge]

you really cant call bug nonexistent

[obtuse shoal]

it doesn't need that many resistances

[undone surge]

due to the existence of uturn

[frail kindle]

I can when its only got U-turn

[obtuse shoal]

it's bulky and has regenerator

[frail kindle]

which isnt even used

by bug mon

90% of the time

[undone surge]

i thought it was about the individual type itself and not including outside things like abilities and stats

[obtuse shoal]

fine, it has sleep powder then

and leech seed

[undone surge]

the thing is you can literally give uturn to anything in a fusion format and like it'll still do chip and shit

[frail kindle]

im just not super scared of a 70 BP no stab move, especially when grass and water types have super reliable healing and super great bulky options

[undone surge]

chip or actual damage

into something that easily forces it out

and no hdb in reg dex just more chip

😔

[frail kindle]

Heres the issue with it though

Theres not much you can force a water grass type out with

your best bet IS that U-turn or if youre running a pokemon with decent poison/flying moves

which rarely happens

[undone surge]

you can in a fusions formats

[obtuse shoal]

Come join the game hades

[undone surge]

client is loading

[frail kindle]

ill spectate

[undone surge]

uhmm

how is

uturn

rarely happens

[frail kindle]

Im not saying U-turn rarely happens

im saying having something else to which into

which could force that pokemon out

[undone surge]

uturn does like 10-60% depending on the mon, afterwards they just have to send out to their specs/band mon or vcreate mon and like

you have to switch

or to a mon where it sits on it

and can punish with hazards, status, knock, setup, etc.

[frail kindle]

again, just saying V-create means nothing when that is easily the MOST stacked move in the game

And in the end, isnt even a problem with the typing because its still netural

[frail kindle]

also most grass type mons getting great status moves too

and youre also not switching into an any hazards super effective either

[undone surge]

I mean its reliant on the mons themselves

the only real grasses r tang, ferro, and celebi ig

[undone surge]

I mean if it can live

after sr chip

sure

or spike chio ig

But regen also just heals 33%

making it hard, its also a passive type meaning ur probably still slower anyways

[obtuse shoal]

@undone surge so are you going to keep yapping or are you going to play

[undone surge]

i mean if ur willing to wait up to

70 minutes

At highest takes around 90 minutes to boot client

[obtuse shoal]

client?

what for?

[undone surge]

To open the site

And load

[obtuse shoal]

I mean, I'm at the site already

[undone surge]

It either takes 1-5 minutes or 45+

Its just loading for me

[obtuse shoal]

you sure you're using the right one?

[undone surge]

yes

it just sometimes takes

A fuckton of time

To load

[obtuse shoal]

damn you live in narnia?

[undone surge]

no

Its not even a wifi issue idk why this happens

my connection is fine

[obtuse shoal]

which region are you in

[undone surge]

Asia

[fast elm]

hosting is USA so thats probably why

its a huge site as well

[low basalt]

I don't think I've ever seen someone hate on grass types so much

[odd kiln]

tbf being weak to uturn as a wall is pretty significant weakness which is one reason why a lot of psychic defensive mons dont get off the ground

but water/grass resisting steel and ground while not being weak to fire makes it pretty good

its a type with not often used weaknesses (besides uturn) which lends itself to being gassed up by big stats/good ability which can easily be achieved with fat waters and tangrowth

[obtuse shoal]

mine has leech seed, scald, calm mind and substitute

substitute blocks toxic. It's important as it's what people always try to do to it

calm mind is to improve it's spdef, and it becomes bulky on both sides

scald does good damage during rain

and leech seed is great. as it adds much needed recovery

[obtuse shoal]

thing is, if suicune has leech seed, it can tank a lot of things

also I just realized how great toxic spikes+earthquake is

if it's a poison/steel, earthquake. if you cant eq, then toxic spikes. If it's a flying poison, it can't remove toxic spikes

of course, the issue is defoggers

[obtuse shoal]

ok the issue is any flying

[odd kiln]

ive theorymonned this

[obtuse shoal]

ok hear me out

moltres

I've seen that nidokiss around

normally on teams that use web

[odd kiln]

either work

[low basalt]

I've also seen jolteon nidoking for that speed

[odd kiln]

you drop too much spa

raikou is better

actually it isnt that much

you probably miss out on 2hkos though

[frail kindle]

exactly

Its not a bad type

dont get me wrong

its no fairy steel

but its a good type combo

[tepid dust]

Does Flying Press get STAB if the user is only a flying type?

[undone surge]

no

[tepid dust]

:(

[undone surge]

Despite being a Fighting-type move, the damage dealt is actually a combination of Fighting and Flying types, and thus its effectiveness against a given Pokémon differs from other Fighting-type moves. However, for all other purposes, it is a Fighting-type move: only Fighting-type Pokémon can receive the same-type attack bonus on Flying Press, it is unaffected by items like the Sky Plate and Flying Gem, and it will not activate the target's Coba Berry (but will activate Chople Berry even in cases where a regular Fighting-type move would not deal supereffective damage).

[tepid dust]

I have a similar question about Revelation Dance: Does it actually copy the user's primary type, or does it copy the type of whichever Oricorio form its in? Because those are two very different things with interesting, albeit situational implications.

[burnt pivot]

is there a way to make the site load better?

i'm part of an IF draft and me being unable to load makes this very complicated

[dull plaza]

Revelation Dance becomes whatever primary type the user is. It’s why it can work if used by a Pokémon not Oricorio and is why it changes when you Tera

[burnt pivot]

i get stuck on loading client

[undone surge]

simply refresh until it works

just be patient and keep refreshing rly

[unborn pine]

Doesn't Togekiss get plot in this game?

[odd kiln]

most of the time you dont need plot

this is a set to spread tspikes anyway

[peak canopy]

What’s the link for showdown

[undone surge]

Pin

[pale kettle]

is there an up to date ou beginner's guide other than the sprited meta fusions sheet?

holy aegislash unbanned in ou? crazy

[undone surge]

no rn its just

make a weather team

[vast trench]

i love pokemon showdown

[tiny wadi]

just made this monster

423 attack

395 hp

diamond storm has a 30% chance to +2 defense

serene doubles it to 60

ancient power 10% for +1 to all stages

iron head for flniching

diamod storm is phys with 100 base power and stab

[odd kiln]

diamond storm has 50% chance and 100% with serene grace

that being said this is not a good mon because its steel rock meaning its basically instantly killed by ground and fighting moves and its slow

youre never realistically using ancient power because it has such a low damage output with not enough chance to boost that ppl can just switch in their ground/fighting/water move user and force you out

[tiny wadi]

yeah I've been using it and it does get countered easily

and ancient power gotta go

[deft oasis]

I agree in that this mon is going to struggle alot due to its typing, but if you're intent on using it then one suggestion is to turn it into something of a wallbreaker by giving it a Life Orb and switching its ability to Sheer Force, which boosts both Diamond Storm and Iron Head while negating Life Orb recoil

[odd kiln]

youd have to switch jirachi to klinklang to solve the speed issue

[unborn pine]

What Pokémon get thousand waves

[undone surge]

sandslash

[odd kiln]

isnt that arrows or does sandslash get that too

[dull plaza]

Stunfisk, Quagsire, Swampert

[undone surge]

assuming pokemon players can properly read!?!?!?

[swift hemlock]

Does anyone know what this message means? It doesnt let me play Random Battles.

[fast elm]

oh, most recent smogon update broke it I think, will fix asap

[fast elm]

fixed!

[swift hemlock]

Thanks! How fast!

[obtuse shoal]

So how is garchomp used now

is it still a sweeper or is it a bulky rough skin

[opal juniper]

what happened to chomp?

[obtuse shoal]

it got dragon dance

[opal juniper]

iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii think that'll mean you can decide on your own

lol

you can decide on if its gonna be bulky RS or DD sweeper

[obtuse shoal]

I'm not actually enjoying sweepers much

In this game if you lose a pokemon you might lose the whole gome

[opal juniper]

a

[obtuse shoal]

but I guess it's also what keeps the game balanced

[opal juniper]

by the way isnt klinklang capable of already letting garchomp do that

-good defensive typing

-shift gear is +2 speed +1 attack, better than DDance

[obtuse shoal]

yeah, but now you can use garchomp with anyone else and have ddance

like ferrothorn

thousand arrows, with ddance

[opal juniper]

oh

no

:(((((((

[obtuse shoal]

don't worry, even if it's an electric flying, the first hit isn't actually super effective

it's neutral, but it smacks down

still, ground is a great typing right now, even with levitates and immunities

[odd kiln]

garchomp rough skin is just a bonus its not good as a focus

[obtuse shoal]

so what's the focus

[odd kiln]

dd

[obtuse shoal]

and i guess it has a good stab too

[odd kiln]

also ferro garchomp is bad you can just wall it with unaware

[obtuse shoal]

leech seed!(?)

[odd kiln]

how does that help

[obtuse shoal]

yeah I guess it doesn't

[plain saddle]

I'm a funny person

[primal wedge]

https://youtu.be/_p8XhDuZoZI?si=v21H6fos5WwqGgt5

Yo this goes hard as H-E-Double Hockey sticks

[undone surge]

just run worry seed to beat it gg

[unborn pine]

What are some OU mainstays? Like the most iconic and commonly seen fusions (I was thinking Sylvern at first but boom was banned)

One I can think of is Jirachi/Tangrowth?

[odd kiln]

snorcor, clefsteel, toxtar

[unborn pine]

oh ye how could i forgot snorcor
Clefable has multiple fusions with it that are really good but I'm wondering if I should have more than 1 (this is 'research' for the pokeathlon bg thing btw)

[inner halo]

What is IF dex OU like these days?

Tend to go counter-meta with my teambuilding but that requires knowing it lol

[inner halo]

Also funny thing because of how IF works, you can have two meloettas ;p

[vast trench]

of course

tsk tsk

average showdown monday

servers always down

[opal fiber]

It's a shame I'm not good at OU

I would enjoy a good custom avatar

[wary wedge]

Who's up for infinite fusion pokemon showdown

Yes there's a custom server for it

[cyan rock]

alakazam electrode

[spring lagoon]

man i gotta wait for chaos custom game

[fast blade]

Well yeah we know that there's a server for it, this is the channel specifically to discuss it

Lol

If we didn't know we wouldn't be here

[fast blade]

Oh I never even thought of toxtar being good damn

[deft oasis]

Toxitar is very versatile due to its movepool, typing, ability, and stats, but it's particularly good as a Pursuit trapper due to all the Ghosts and Psychics running around

[spring lagoon]

got this for chaos fusion custom game

[odd kiln]

Fail.

[flint kayak]

"kablooey"

[cyan rock]

i got told to kill myself twice in the server today

and i wasn't even using stall or anything

nvm it's 3 now

nvm again it's 4 now

[fast elm]

how are they spelling it

can you dm me

[cyan rock]

u should off yourself

[fast elm]

wow british

[cyan rock]

idk why they were mad

i wasn't even stalling or anything

i just made like 2 good reads

[cyan rock]

oh and btw how do i join the tournament

[pure breach]

Tournament will be a lobby tournament, so you’ll be able to join starting an hour before it from Showdown lobby

[cyan rock]

ahh thanks

[unborn pine]

they are mad cuz they are losing

and instead of doing something else they continue to fill up rage and become unnecessarily aggressive

[cyan rock]

tournament time woooooooooo

[cyan rock]

why is it not starting ?

[pure breach]

Having a bit of a technical issue, but it will start soon!

sorry about that

[cyan rock]

nah you are good

[foggy sinew]

Yo how do I enter tournament

[tepid dust]

Are thick club and leek allowed? Do they apply to any fusion of their respective mons?

[dull plaza]

Thick club is banned, leek is allowed, yes they do apply to any fusion with their respective mons

[obtuse shoal]

so how do you use leech seed effectively

I mean, they always switch out, so I can never really get the benefits from it

in a way, it's a bit like roar

[obtuse shoal]

honestly seems like a good counter to unaware clef

actually no, it drains the health too slow

[undone surge]

if it hit it chips the opponent heals the user, if they dont switch the user heals more including other pokemon in their team as well

its just slight chip with a bit of healing, it forces out stuff that cares about getting chipped

thats all

i mean i dont really get the question that much

[lost galleon]

Forcing switches is pretty great in its own right

That's buying you a free turn to slap somebody or set up

[obtuse shoal]

it's not only that, but in bulky mons it means that they can't win when you have that recovery

[obtuse shoal]

yeah I guess my issue was tangrowth not having anything good to set up with

[obtuse shoal]

I guess there's seed adaptability...

[lost galleon]

Give that lad toxic or sleep powder or stun spore or knock off. Switching into one of those is going to make your opponents question their life choices

Or give that lad Swords Dance and run a physical set. Tangrowth gets solid physical attack, and letting anything get a free SD is really gonna make your opponents question their life choices

[obtuse shoal]

sounds good as long as it doesn't get burned

[undone surge]

why are you even using tangrowth for this

its a defensive regen grass type

[obtuse shoal]

you're right, so I'm thinking on using celebi or anything else

[undone surge]

ngl the only grass types that can properly be used for offense (unless its specific to the set/fusion) is basically celebi and breloom

[obtuse shoal]

but what about using a grass type for the other typing

Ok yeah there's no good options for this

[undone surge]

yeah its kinda just cope

for reg dex

for nd u can def make offensive grass types work but reg dex is just cope

[obtuse shoal]

It's less about the offensive grass, it's more about a pokemon with leech seed + switch punish

[undone surge]

i mean in that case

why not ferro fusions

it stacks spikes

has leech

hdb doesnt exist in regdex

[obtuse shoal]

but defog does

and it can be pretty common at times

or rapid spin

[undone surge]

i mean spin isnt even that common

and defog can be managed by

other pokemon

stealth rocks

other mons

just run a ferro fusion

[obtuse shoal]

ive been feeling like ferro is too passive

[undone surge]

just because gholdengo isnt in reg dex doesnt mean ways of punishing hazard removing doesnt exist

[obtuse shoal]

but I might have been using it wrong

[undone surge]

i mean it is passive

but it does leech seed

and punish switches with spikes

[obtuse shoal]

what if there's a magic guard pokemon

[undone surge]

knock off

or like just

switch to a diff pokemon

🤷‍♂️

[obtuse shoal]

also what about curse ferrothorn

[undone surge]

ok just stop coping atp

sob

[cyan rock]

@pure breach any tournaments soon ?

[pure breach]

None planned as of yet, but we will probably do some more soon! We plan on getting on a proper tournament schedule soon ™️

[obtuse shoal]

interesting, so double iron bash ambipom is banned?

[odd kiln]

yes

[pure breach]

DIB in general is banned

[obtuse shoal]

guess we gonna settle for klinklang then

btw what makes meloetta pirouette ou?

[odd kiln]

high offenses

very rare for mons to have good atk and good spe

[obtuse shoal]

it feels kinda underwhelming to me
a lot of the times when fighting against it I think of how the other part of the fusion is dangerous (normally entei) and not meloetta herself

[odd kiln]

theres also ttar and metagross and lycanroc-m

[obtuse shoal]

yeah those are great

I lost against a lycanroc once, but mostly because of lycanroc's sand rush, and less because it was meloetta

So I basically understand it's more like a stat fusion

you give it to physical sweepers to make them better physical sweepers

[odd kiln]

lycanroc m has no guard sing as well as good offensive typing and sd

still loses to clef though

[pure breach]

It has one of the highest combinations of both speed and attack in IF Dex, making it a good body for stats, plus the fighting type is good offensively

[obtuse shoal]

Alright that's fair
Btw how relevant is burn

Because only entei is a popular physical pokemon that doesn't fear it

Oh yeah and gliscor

... And all the guts users

[odd kiln]

burn is always good

[lost galleon]

Also your options for a fighting type that’s actually fast are Pirouette Meloetta and Infernape

After them your best option is Lucario who isn’t that fast, and everyone after that is much worse

[obtuse shoal]

Personally it just seems fighting types aren't being used that much, except for entei melloeta

Btw how viable are the trapping moves like anchor shot and spirit shackle

[odd kiln]

lucario is steel

[odd kiln]

difficult to actually get but theyre not too bad

i like twaves quaglix to trap physical attackers

[tiny wadi]

reposting this:

soooo i heard about infinite fusion having pvp and i have few question

1. so i know exp share needs to be unequip but is there a way i can duel a friend without having banned rayquaza or is this infinite fusion has its own ban list?

2. is there anyway i can change the spirte in showdown for erxample in infinite fusion game the sprite i have for fused rayquaza and tyranitar is godzilla but in showdown it shows this

[opal fiber]

Do you see the arrow on the bottom right of the sprite

[tiny wadi]

the arrow ok

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[opal fiber]

Also if you use Rayquaza then you need to play Ubers

Not OU

But PIF doesn't have an Ubers format so you'll need to play PIF AG

[tiny wadi]

its my first time exploring showdown and ubers and other names for that confuse me since its the first time for me learning about it XD

but i think i get it

ok nice i got it thanks for the info

[opal fiber]

👍

[unborn pine]

Mroc/Pirouette?

[unborn pine]

It's also the best fighting type
I don think it's really even worth running ape anymore now that melo is there

melo is just much faster and stronger

[deft oasis]

It does have some niche as the fastest Fighting-type body with a decent SpA stat (though it has no Aura Sphere so you have to run Focus Miss), as well as Iron Fist for Plasma Fists shenanigans, but otherwise you're right in that Melo-P is just superior

[hexed umbra]

Its the only good fighting type

[sturdy cradle]

ApeZam provides the fastest MG Sash Counter niche while giving STAB on either side of the fusion to hit Steels

with a meta similar to Gen 5 this set value increased

[unborn pine]

as a stall breaker?

I see mostly steel flying or steel fairys on stall teams though so I don't know if you mean ape head(fire) or body(fighting) since ape head would obviously drop the stats by quite a bit esp phys attack

mguard flare blitz sounds nice tho too

Oh i misread that completely

Didn't notice the Counter

So it's a special attacker then i assume

[lost galleon]

Breloom is also a pretty good fighting type

The stats aren't outstanding aside from attack, but it does have a high attack stat, a fantastic movepool even with spore banned, and two strong abilities.

[lost galleon]

And while Meloetta is better than Infernape, I can't help but think there's probably niches where Infernape's outstanding movepool gives it the edge