showdown-general

[white oar]

I'm inept in this game

I won by a comedic stroke of luck

and a newly added scarfer

[odd kiln]

you made it sound like you won by some sort of skill but you flinched like 6 times in a row

[white oar]

no shit

however I still had a fire type in the back

which could reasonable break through the jitres

and their slowking was on 40%

and btw

[odd kiln]

slowking switches in switches out

[white oar]

then they lost on a misplay because they kept jitres in

or by assuming I wasnt scarfed

[odd kiln]

why is it scarfed

[white oar]

Choice I made because the point of that is to get rid of electric and ice as best as possible

it's thick fat so it resists ice and ground is ground

plus ice type keeps it neutral or super effective on those two should they be flying

and speed was a necessary factor

it also does an okay job at fending off ground types

for my two ground weak mons

of course with the amount of flying I had that's hardly as note worthy

[quaint marsh]

just saw a match where both players were running ferrothorn/toxapex and sylveon/noivern

[white oar]

the usual stuff

[quaint marsh]

oh wait this is a complete mirror match ok it must be a team test or something

[white oar]

oh

huh

neat

[quaint marsh]

though after a quick look through other recent replays ferropex does appear to be a standard feature

[odd kiln]

ndou is much more fun than ou its a shame how little its played even after the pokemon challenges tour

[white oar]

power level is higher, harder to adapt to

[odd kiln]

it actually gives you the tools you want

[white oar]

that's true

I just dont know how I feel about dealing with the newer pokemon

because of game freak power creep it just sounds like if you try to pick something unique or whatnot you could just lose on the spot

I mean obv there's more you can do so I'm sure it's just as fun

[odd kiln]

ndou is so nebulous that 80% of things are unique

[white oar]

I mean it's probably less optimized than IF OU

so that's a consolation

[odd kiln]

define optimized

[white oar]

People play it more, so there's a bit more understanding of what's good and what isnt

at least I think so

[odd kiln]

so people play ndou less bc its not optimized bc people play ndou less

[white oar]

that's not my reason

just something that can make it more appealing in a sense

I used the word consolation for a reason

[odd kiln]

i dont know what ur reason is then

[white oar]

I dont want to deal with shit like iron bundle

I assume that's banned

but that's p'much it

there's stuff that really calls to me

like ursaluna

or hisuian liligant

but the sort of growing pain from IF dex is intimidating

[odd kiln]

lilligant is w/e

ursaluna is good

but again whats banned or not would be decided better if more ppl played

which goes back to the "people play ndou less bc its not optimized bc people play ndou less"

[white oar]

not what I meant when I said it, but I get the interpretation

there's also the lack of custom sprites

oh yeah

also good ground type special attackers

(literally just sandy shocks lmfao)

[odd kiln]

what

[white oar]

stuff that appeals to me

I believe you've seen me whining about the struggle of finding a decent ground special attacker

[odd kiln]

right

[white oar]

also paradox mons sound meta

is that correct

[odd kiln]

not terribly

great scor is good

valiant is good in theory

[white oar]

also this is legal

how

[odd kiln]

perhaps it shouldnt

hoopdeedee made a splash

[white oar]

how is tapu fini legal

[odd kiln]

i dont see how thats broken

[white oar]

terrain sounds even stronger

[odd kiln]

theres mostly psyterrain

gterrain is ok cause rillaboom but thats about it

[white oar]

oh hey a good rock type from ogerpon

[exotic spruce]

How do I import fusions into showdown

[odd kiln]

the brokens are like

• hoopa
• psychic surge
• manaphy (tail glow?)
• ursaluna
• water bubble
• rend/beak

[white oar]

wdym

[exotic spruce]

It's just regular pokemon when I boot it up

[odd kiln]

did you select a format

[exotic spruce]

I don't know how to do that

[odd kiln]

what does the format say

[exotic spruce]

Okay I think it's okay now

[odd kiln]

click teambuilder

[exotic spruce]

Yup got it. Thanks!

[grave barn]

Featured shitmon but IF

[unborn pine]

🔥

[warped veldt]

IF National Dex AG is a

[unborn pine]

such skill

[warped veldt]

Yep, it sure is a

[unborn pine]

that's why we invest 🔥

genuinely cant believe that stupid spread worked lol

[pure breach]

That’s actually crazy lmfao

[grave barn]

this is the ultimate anti meta AG mon

dark immune to prankster taunt

chesto berry for prankster spore

beat up for sturdy shedinja

hidden rock for volcarona fusions that setup on my ass

fire blast kinda just my default stab

flash fire is quite the ability too

[thin schooner]

am I forgetting a mechanic here or smth? Beat Up is an attack, which would repeatedly proc Sturdy, since it’s not residual/passive damage

[grave barn]

wait a minute

oh i treated it as sash shedinja i forgot sturdy can proc multiple times

beat up for sashdinjas

corrected

i forgot what i did against an aggron shedinja bro

has to be a move with a secondary effect

[pure breach]

Dark immune for prankster taunt… chesto immune for prankster spore…

Fire Blast STAB on a Dark/Steel too

Might want to rethink some of those tbh

[thin schooner]

wouldn’t you be immune to prankster spore by being dark anyways?

making the chesto not very useful

even so, with this move set not a lot of threat from this mon to stop then from clicking spore again….if it worked on it in the first place that is

[unborn pine]

Dark type is all you need in ag

That and a lot of the same Pokémon

[pure breach]

Yep

You could also be a grass type to stop prankster, spore or no spore

Or overcoat, or if it’s NatDex there’s also Safety Goggles

And Misty/electric terrain for spore, psychic for prankster

[thin schooner]

I think you meant to stop spore, prankster or not. being grass doesn’t stop other prankster moves

[odd kiln]

this “beats” shed and spore mons but basically nothing else

shed easily scouts w protect and most of the time is bug steel more than normal ghost

it can also be dark ghost which this doesnt touch

[delicate lance]

woah does it even have the community sprites?

this is awesome!!!!

[warped veldt]

Don't moves like Core Enforcer ignore Wonder Guard?

[odd kiln]

no bc core enforcer only suppresses if it hits

[warped veldt]

I see.

Then you need Fairy, Dark and Fire coverage to beat most Shed fusions.

Oof.

[odd kiln]

yes

[warped veldt]

AG sounds like a healthy meta.

Then again, it's AG.

[odd kiln]

you can also use spikes and status and ability ignoring moves and mold breaker

[odd bone]

hey, anyone got a fav showdown mon they need a sprite for? I got quite a few fusion still to make but I feel like I want to spice up my list by adding something I didn't think of :>

[odd kiln]

toxapex ttar

kyurem donphan

[shadow arrow]

goodra/weezing super underrated

[odd kiln]

Erm. Accurately Rated

[odd bone]

I'll keep all of these in mind when working but no promises 😉

[odd kiln]

slowking probopass

[odd kiln]

thanks for your contributions regardless

[odd bone]

Don't forget we also got a toxapex spriter group if you desperately wanna request a specific staller horror combination lolol #1158503071991730277

[odd kiln]

noo way

[odd bone]

be nice when you ask tho. the group is not primarily for making request fusion haha

[odd kiln]

ic

[white oar]

was gonna try and do it myself but I think you can prolly do a better job, but I'd love an Metagross/Arcanine

[grave barn]

oops

[pure breach]

that is what I meant lmao

[thin schooner]

oooh hit me w/ some too

[odd kiln]

most grasses are bad by virtue of being grass, as is overcoat

if anything you use magic bounce

[pure breach]

That too

There’s a lot of ways to deal with it

[odd kiln]

its not too easy though

safety goggles is a funny option if you dont need item ig

[odd kiln]

theres uh weavile zekrom and hooh donphan for ag

been experimenting w arceus doublade too

[thin schooner]

Hm, Arceus/Doublade could be fun considering I request Arceus/Aegislash for a old Secret Spriter

[ember nova]

I love this fusion.
It's basically "Can you don't." the fusion.

Set up stealth rocks? No.
Set up 2 dragon dances? No.
Special attackers? No.

[odd kiln]

prank defog when i switch in my tox ttar

isnt milotic better than mantine

[white oar]

no apparently

better hp

worse spdef

though I dont get the point of fighting special so much

[odd kiln]

2% more spd bulk at the cost of 7% less def bulk

not a great tradeoff

plus water fairy is better suited for physdef in the first place

[white oar]

I mean it's clearly because they want to deal with specials but hell if I know

not like they invested into defense

[odd kiln]

theres a lot of special mons that hit this se

[white oar]

I find it odd they didnt use something like lapras or vaporeon though

[odd kiln]

lapras has no recovery or haze

vaporeon has unreliable recovery

[white oar]

fair enough

couldnt you just do something like sableye ghost/dark or ghost/normal

it has recover so you could maybe get better stats on your mon

[odd kiln]

good luck

[white oar]

was looking at ghost types

and dark

because of how typing works you can pull some weird shit

[odd kiln]

bad stats

[white oar]

yeah, still interesting as an experiment though

worth noting it's ghost/dark either way you swap it

not the case here but it's interesting

im fairly certain murkrow can do something interesting

considering it naturally has reliable healing, defog and haze

[odd kiln]

prank defog is bad

[white oar]

aye they ran it not me

I'm more so doing this for the sake of the experiment itself

is showdown breaking

oh

huh

murkrow learns oblivion wing

that's neat

[ember nova]

I personally use this thing with Prankster/Haze/Defog.

Comically high SPD and Scald to threaten physical attackers.
Haze and Defog to remove stat bonuses and hazards.
Priority roost to heal.

Wait, nevermind.

This was carried over from something I started lol.

[white oar]

yep yep

prolly shoulda taken this to #showdown-teambuilding

[odd kiln]

122 is not comically high and prank prank defog is not good

[white oar]

they can just press the hazard when you press defog and it doesnt matter

[odd kiln]

that goes for any faster defogger

[white oar]

I mean the idea behind the mon is cool

[odd kiln]

the main problem is you now have a defogblocker to worry about

[white oar]

ah

I see

[ember nova]

Agreed.

Dark types block prankster defog.

[sullen ore]

I had a gyarados mega evolve against me in a draft to block defog from clearing screens and it set up

And my soul withered away watching that

[odd kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/skillissue-skill-issue-gif-22125481

[sullen ore]

In my defense i pulled around to only getting 1-0'd instead
From someone who trampled over the entire draft league

[white oar]

where do you people find the draft league

[hexed umbra]

Someone just said "hey does anyone want to join a draft league" in this chat and people joined

[warped veldt]

The wonders of social communication

[sudden prawn]

There’s also an interview

[unborn pine]

nice

[fast elm]

feel free to report!

i will lose it here

[unborn pine]

alright

should there be a random battles tag?

i feel like itd make sense

will it be possible to check movesets with a command?

[fast elm]

are you using /randbats ?

[unborn pine]

yes

[fast elm]

ok well i could probably make that work but in 95% of cases that would just give you their whole set

and the rest of the time there would be like 2 possible sets

which isn't really ideal

[whole karma]

I forgot to screenshot it but there's a raichu/haxorux set with swords dance with only special moves

[river spruce]

How do I participate?

[fast elm]

in randbats?

the link is in the description of the channel :)

[river spruce]

What password?

[fast elm]

that account is taken already it seems

you'll probably have to change it a bit

[river spruce]

How?

[fast elm]

just try clicking on choose name and using a longer name or adding numbers to TVHead

the server uses the same accounts as the much bigger site https://play.pokemonshowdown.com

so people over there have already registered the name TVHead

[deft oasis]

do I report strange randbat sets in this chat or in showdown support/reports?

[fast elm]

in the support forum :) you can just use someone elses randbats post

[deft oasis]

okay, I'll use the already-existing post by Myst then

[fast elm]

cool

[inner jasper]

Two battles in and already faced two of my own submissions

[sudden prawn]

So I take it that IF random has their own rules because I'm running into geomancy, power herb Celebis that I thought were banned.

[inner jasper]

Random is usually an Anything Goes ruleset I thought but could be wrong

[sudden prawn]

"The sets are for the Gen 7 IF Dex OU format!"

[sullen ore]

https://play.pokeathlon.com/#battle-gen7ifrandombattle-30711

this is not gonna be fun

[warped veldt]

gameplay

[fast elm]

yeah i'm gonna filter some more sets out soon, so you won't see ubers or banned moves anymore

[fast blade]

@fast elm is there a list of the sets somewhere?

[unborn pine]

was before geomancy was banned

[sudden prawn]

So you can look them up mid battle?

[fast blade]

Nah I want some ideas for my in game teams

[radiant rampart]

hope people like my submissions

1st battle and the random mons felt so much better than the ones I get in regular showdown ranbats

[unborn pine]

not all of them

Some sets were submitted by people i don't think fully know how the mechanics work

[frigid frost]

i got teleport

on a set

we have gen 7 teleport

🤪

i had 32 pp to click teleport

[unborn pine]

[feral anchor]

I just used a set with a ditto
a ditto without transform OR imposter

[radiant rampart]

the 1s I got were

in particular I was impressed by the moltres/machamp and doublade/dhelmist

[unborn pine]

oh yeah i remember seeing a moltres machamp

i don't remember what it did

[royal solstice]

I just submitted an azumaking belly drum set

Can’t wait to see its level

[lapis vessel]

I did it

after getting to 2nd and dropping a game to bad luck 5 times

[royal solstice]

That’s the number one rank?

Huh

[lapis vessel]

yeah it's not that high but the tier is new

gonna make some more random battles sets

[royal solstice]

I wonder how they are gonna regulate it

There’s some broken shit there

And shit that does not make sense

[frigid frost]

me too

\o/

[lapis vessel]

[shut tide]

woah im in top5

[pure breach]

We asked people to submit OU sets, so we’re gonna have to filter those out. Haven’t done that yet, but last I spoke with Yoshi the idea was to pass the randbats sets through a similar filter to the validator

[royal solstice]

I thought that because there were ubers in the tier they were supposed to be there lmao

[pure breach]

Nah, people just submitted them and they haven’t been filtered out yet

[royal solstice]

I found an azumwak

It had powerup punch too

[lapis vessel]

I lost a game to an azumaril slaking with belly drum

[sudden prawn]

illegitimate, doesn't count

[whole karma]

I swept some poor soul with that .It was my last mon too

[opal fiber]

Did any of my sets get added

There's too many so idk if any of my fusions were used

[whole karma]

I kinda forgot most of mine

did anyone see roserade/froslass?

[sudden prawn]

I saw one of my sprites and I call that a win

[frigid frost]

i believe i did!

it died almost immediately

[sudden prawn]

They were equally excited to fight the spriter

All those sets were worth it

[inner jasper]

I've run into my Zapdreigon and Umbreezing submissions. Doubt I'll see any of my sprites though, I don't think I've made many final evo ones that would be viable OU mons

[whole karma]

same, most of mine have pretty mid stats

[lapis vessel]

none of my fusions have good stats 😭

[opal fiber]

Im pretty sure i submitted like

Quagsire/Celebi
Klinklang/Salamence
Hawlucha/Rampardos

I think there were others but idr

I only know i just submitted sets using my fusions

[cerulean kelp]

i know i submitted like 4 boxes worth of fusions and i managed to see one of mine in a battle against me

[frigid frost]

yeah i did the same

also iirc we played on the randbat ladder today prinny

🫡

[cerulean kelp]

🫡

most of the ranbats i seem to get are mainly steel types which sucks when the oppoenents have stuff against that lol

[frigid frost]

loool i mean i imagine the thought process is like

"steel types are strong im gonna submit those!" / "steel types are strong im gonna submit stuff that does well vs those!"

[dull plaza]

I once got a sandshrew/tyrantrum set

SANDSHREW

[cerulean kelp]

lol

[frigid frost]

there is definitely some stuff in there that's like

[cerulean kelp]

sandshew was prolly their fav poke

[frigid frost]

"oh some people did not want to submit competitive sets" LOL

whoever put in those teleport slowbros

is my personal enemy

[dull plaza]

The sandshrew was Eviolite but that is nowhere near as good as just using Sandslash

[frigid frost]

i love a move that is literally just 32pp to stall away

[cerulean kelp]

if only teleport works like in later gens

[frigid frost]

im sure they thought it did

but it does not lol

[cerulean kelp]

yeah, that is my assumption

alot of the time i have to be like, was this mechanic in gen 7 or not?

[frigid frost]

my secret is i stopped playing in gen 7

so everything is exactly how i remember it just without z moves

😂

[cerulean kelp]

ah lol

ive played on and off since gen 4

some gens i played alot more competitively than others

[dull plaza]

Not pertaining this but I like how Enraicune has Extreme Speed and Air Slash but their individual parts don’t.
And it validates

[opal fiber]

I think those are event moves since I remember seeing somewhere that Entei could get ESpeed

[dull plaza]

They are and they got rid of them on the base parts but forgot to get rid of them off the triple

[cerulean kelp]

yep

[opal fiber]

Also apparently Suicune just gets Air Slash as a tm

[dull plaza]

Not in IF apparently since Showdown doesn’t allow it

Plus I don’t even remember an Air Slash TM ingame

[cerulean kelp]

air slash is a tm in swsh

[frigid frost]

if is based off sumo learnsets and tms

not swsh

[dull plaza]

It was also on an event shiny Suicune in DPP & HGSS

[regal hatch]

How does this work

[cedar mortar]

Same way vanilla Pokémon showdown works: build a team select a format and click moves

The link to it is at the very top of the announcements page (and the first pin of this thread, actually )

[viscid skiff]

You click moonblast

[white oar]

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=ineptgamer-entrenadorsito-1702202368030

some of the worst turns I have ever played from a rng perspective holy shit

rolled 0 30% where it mattered
got hit by like 5 relevant 30%s also a crit and a 30% because fuck me

absolute insanity

[unborn pine]

i am fairly certain i was the one who submitted that 🙃

but the good thing is (at least I don't fully know how it works) that the level will be higher

[placid wigeon]

There seems to be a ton of Flying type sets too

[cedar mortar]

time to submit my abomination of a sun team

[unborn pine]

can we submit ubers pokemon? considering levels it should be valid right?

[royal solstice]

The state of random battles rn reminds me of when scovillan was terrorizing gen 9 random battles

[royal solstice]

You can but you aren’t supposed to

[shut tide]

Thanks to whoever submit this awesome bibarel

big fan of the set

[pure breach]

Lmfao

There’s a few like that

[royal solstice]

LMAO

16x rock weakness I think

[warped veldt]

Electric isn't weak, but it still is an 8x weakness.

So you take exactly 100% damage from Stealth Rocks. If only Heavy-Duty Boots existed....

[royal solstice]

Flying electric ice flying flying fire type ?

[wary flame]

where you getting rock from?

[tribal trellis]

what?

you are saying flying is stackable?

[unborn pine]

It's Ice/Fire/Electric/Flying type

[warped veldt]

The mindgames are real.

[ember nova]

Fighting Sylvern is like "Oh ya, Pixelate Boomburst probably won't kill."
And then it does anyways.

[warped veldt]

That's why you always have a Steel revenge killer on hand.

[ember nova]

Even when I do, they just get outsped and oneshot somehow.

[warped veldt]

Just be faster :^)

But yeah, I know it's a tough mon to crack.

I use this. It can tank it and 1HKO it back.

It also has a pretty good chance of 1HKOing Poryvern with Ice Shard.

[flint kayak]

kid named flamethrower:

[warped veldt]

Well I'm mostly relying on predicting an ESpeed or going on Choice users

But if it gets in it kills

But at that point is there a real counter to the things

[flint kayak]

it is absolutely hilarious that zapmolcuno takes 100% damage from stealth rocks

what 8x weak to rock does to an mf

top 10

[warped veldt]

I was in the top 100 but I lost to an annoying stall team and lost 40 points 😔

I feel like I need a better team but I'm out of creativity

[flint kayak]

did you try #showdown-teambuilding

[warped veldt]

Yes

[fast blade]

That's why people had Jirentei Espeed on the team, 4x fairy resist+priority

You can always make your diet heatrans in this meta

[low basalt]

kecleon garchomp is so nice

[white oar]

been top 100 like 15 times just to go on a losing streak and mald

[odd kiln]

christmas wishlist:

• return stuff like icicle crash to weavile
• more spikes mons (golisopod, chesnaught)
• actually bulky fires (heatran, maybe incineroar)
• actually good poisons (muk-alola, amoonguss, dragalge might be a memey donor)
• actually good fightings (conk, mienshao maybe, terrakion, keldeo, ig melo-p is on the way)
• more physical ability donors (crawdaunt, darm, lycanroc-dusk, barbaracle, gumshoos lol)
• torn-t cause that guys cool
• MEGAS⁉️

[lost galleon]

The Pokedex isn't getting expanded further

[odd kiln]

its a wishlist

is it storage problems

[warped veldt]

Most likely tbh

Though moveset changes would be cool (please give Quiver Dance to the Oricorios I'm begging)

[torn jay]

Add neutralizing gas on this list

[odd kiln]

thats not really possible bc ngas is gen 8

[torn jay]

😢

[hexed umbra]

Give Weavile Icicle Crash but remove Knock Off

Weavile must forever be missing 1 important move

[odd kiln]

[unborn pine]

this works

[autumn brook]

bro is cooking

[sudden prawn]

No megas, but any Pokemon before Scarlet/Violet is fair game to get added some time down the road

[viscid musk]

you guys know how is the tier decided?

representation like smogon?

[frigid frost]

yup, they had a huge breakthrough recently that led to a bunch of new mons being added

but if you consider that every fusion is technically a new pokemon, every single new pokemon is pushing the envelope a lot

[pallid river]

There’s fusion Pokémon battles in Showdown?

[sudden prawn]

https://play.pokeathlon.com/

[pallid river]

Nice

[mighty geode]

Soo

Explain to me how pokemon infinite showdown even works

Or whatever

How do I do this

[sudden prawn]

I would suggest random battles to get used to things. Then select IF gen 7 OU and start building your own teams.

[mighty geode]

Uhm how qwq

I never done this before

[sudden prawn]

You go to the website and there’s a drop down menu for battles. You select random battles and go crazy

[mighty geode]

No how do I do the if gen 7 ou

I've never done that before

[sudden prawn]

Sorry but I’m too busy to walk you through using the website.

[flint kayak]

how am i supposed to deal with weather teams

[tight brook]

How do I put my pokemon in to the website

[fast blade]

Be better

[flint kayak]

thank you for the incredibly helpful advice

[cedar mortar]

If you haven’t already figured it out there’s a drop box where it says “[Gen 7] IF Random Battle”, click on that then find and select “[Gen 7] IF Dex OU” keep in mind this only uses the mons that are in IF and not every Pokémon that’s up to Gen 7

[cedar mortar]

Depends on what weather team is an issue and which format you’re playing. imo just play to the weaknesses of those weather teams you’re having issues with, but entry hazards are at least a start. You also want to take care of their weather setter as soon as possible so you cripple their strat

[vital sand]

has anyone experiencing login issues? this is my password all this time and i couldnt log in

[solar kettle]

W

[flint kayak]

i am never playing if showdown again

this is rigged as hell

[white oar]

tf

[fallow wharf]

Snorcor is a monster

Does it's usage get higher the further you climb. While my team doesn't melt against it, game's against it feel like they warp around it.

Anytime it's not out I feel forced to constantly knock off in hopes of preventing Poison heal from getting up. Even then it's typing leaves it absent of many weakness, it's bulk lends it roost stall, swords dance keeps it threatening even if it's not poisoned and even if you are are able to get another status on it, it's facade leaves it capable of staying threatening, not to mention knock off leaves it capable of crippling anything that switches in.

[white oar]

It's a tough mon

however

[fallow wharf]

Rocks?

[white oar]

it's not the worst

or more accurately

it just depends

but you're also probably running offense

[fallow wharf]

I'm running balance

[white oar]

could I see the team list

[fallow wharf]

It's not like I don't have ways of dealing with.

Haze and taunt help

But it still feels insanley thretning

[white oar]

it's definitely top tier

[fallow wharf]

Rocks feel like the best way to keep it from constantley switching but I don't know where I can work it into the team

[white oar]

i feel that

[fallow wharf]

Otherwise I think I've got a strong team

[frigid frost]

stealth rock is definitely better than a lot of whats here

lol

[fallow wharf]

On what

Tox?

[frigid frost]

no i mean

you could replace a pokemon with something that just sets rocks

[fallow wharf]

Like?

[frigid frost]

and it would be an improvement over a few of these

arcanine tangrowth with intimidate

[fallow wharf]

Nido breaks walls

[frigid frost]

is kinda crazy

[fallow wharf]

It's good

[torn jay]

Wheres the speed and speed control

[frigid frost]

i also really dont know about the jichamp but i have very little opinion about that

[fallow wharf]

Wasn't really necessary

[frigid frost]

fire/grass is a really bad typing and id hella use regen over intim

[white oar]

you should really consider some priority

you dont want a focus sash sweeper on 1% to just fuck you

[cedar mortar]

Your nido also looks like it’s missing a fourth move

[frigid frost]

i mean cmon they have espeed and bullet punch lol

its not like they have 0 priority

[fallow wharf]

jichamp and nite

[white oar]

I am blind

[fallow wharf]

Should be moonlight

[white oar]

officially

[fallow wharf]

The intim helps keep physical threats in check

And it's physical bulk is quite good

[frigid frost]

a better wall would also accomplish that

[fallow wharf]

Flar blitz also threatens KO's on Super effective and often does 1/2 on neutral

and a 1/3 on resist

[frigid frost]

fire/grass only really resissts electric, grass, steel, and fairy? iirc

and whilst 2/3 weaknesses arent SUPER relevant

being rock weak is pretty unideal

since you dont have regenerator

[fallow wharf]

It's not great

[frigid frost]

something could easily just force you to die to switching in

[fallow wharf]

But i think it's plus' are good enough to justify

[white oar]

intimidate is great

but regen is better

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fallow wharf]

In general I agree

[white oar]

mostly because of this magic thing called sustainability

[fallow wharf]

But It's a really strong anwser to alot of physical threats

[frigid frost]

i mean im not gonna lie

i have beaten people with just two regenerator mons

and switching

[fallow wharf]

on top of will o wisp

[frigid frost]

lol

[white oar]

dude it's setup fodder for snorcor

and like 15 other things with swords dance

and special attackers dont care

[fallow wharf]

It wisps almost all of them

[white oar]

they can just click again

[fallow wharf]

Before seeing they took half from flare blirtz

[frigid frost]

oh also

non stab draco

plz fix

T_T

[fallow wharf]

Not worth it

[white oar]

tf are you covering with that

[fallow wharf]

E speed kills

[frigid frost]

just run fire blast / flamethrower

[fallow wharf]

as well as tri-attack damage

[frigid frost]

its the most likely thing ud click

that isnt a stab

[fallow wharf]

Probably

I don't press draco a lot

[white oar]

greatest coverage ever

[fallow wharf]

That's a reasonable change

[frigid frost]

dragon, fairy, normal, and ghost arent really worth running as non stabs

unless its for a specific reason

for future reference

[fallow wharf]

I just forget it's not dragon

In general I do know that

[white oar]

also

#showdown-teambuilding

[fallow wharf]

This didn't exactley start as teambuilding

[frigid frost]

if ur really attached to all the pokemon on here id probably swap toxic on toxitar for srock

[fallow wharf]

I'm not super attatched to most of it, I just think they all work relativley well.

I'm happy to reconsider if you have suggetions

Dropping toxic may be necessary but losing toxic will always be rough

[torn jay]

Speed is necessary

[fallow wharf]

3 of my mons are tanks and 2 have priority

the last is a wallbreaker/wincon

Where do I fit the speed?

[frigid frost]

jirachi + machamp seems pretty weak for a guts sweeper

compared to like

the common stuff

[fallow wharf]

Ursanite?

[torn jay]

It also relies on priority

[frigid frost]

yea

relying on priority is fine

[fallow wharf]

It's bulkier and relying on priorty is fine

It also matches well into rocks

I have no fog so a majority of my team needs to match into it well

I'd also have to replace porynite, which I could see but would need good reason

[frigid frost]

o wait you also dont have hazard removal...

yea thats not great

[fallow wharf]

4/6 eat rocks so I'm mostly fine, but it's not ideal.

With tang getting the worst of it

This was a solution at one point but losing toxtar feels rough

Intimidate+AV give it good bulk, spin for hazards, pursuit trapping for blockers, and SP for stay ins and priority.

I can't imagine how cancerous NatDex is with Good as gold on whatever you want

[frigid frost]

gholdengos banned

[fallow wharf]

Gen9 OU players wish

[mighty knot]

i play AG but i don't use any wonderguard

[white oar]

the exception to prove the rule

[fallow wharf]

Does balance really have a place in the meta

All the broken HO just encourages Broken Stall.

I'm kind of left in the middle with either not enough tools to deal with the walls or not enough checks for the monsters that willl tear apart my team, given a single turn

[warped veldt]

Balance is just running a bunch of broken walls and broken offensive mons

ez

[fast blade]

You're responding to my comment from more than 2 weeks ago to say you specifically don't use it?

[mighty knot]

it was what was in front of me x)

[wispy ember]

considering it hits 15 types for neutral damage

it is pretty good

[wispy ember]

nice one randbats

[warped veldt]

That one's already reported. 10/10 set.

[wispy ember]

[torn jay]

i can play again

[quick inlet]

do we have a channel where we share/discuss/jam specifically for replays? or does that go in the teambuilding channel?

[slender abyss]

Dragon type is still better then most other types

[warped veldt]

I mean, you can do that here tbh

If it gets to analysis-y, just go to teambuilding.

[fast blade]

Wait it's non STAB??? What's the point

[thick stag]

how do randbats sets get made in the showdown

are they meta leader approved or just randomly generated

[quick inlet]

pretty sure the sets all coming from people submitting to the form in the showdown-announcements channel

[warped veldt]

Yeah.

So you may get some.... sillier sets.

[viscid musk]

scald is not 30%

scald is not 30%

scald is not 30%

scald is not 30%

scald is not 30%

[flint kayak]

Scald is 101%

[pure breach]

The original intention was for me to look through them all and fix those that were less than usable, but y’all submitted 2000 sets in like 2 weeks and that was just not something I could do in a reasonable amount of time. So instead we have the set issues forum, and we’ll take some steps towards logical validation so only legal and somewhat usable sets actually make it in, as opposed to the current every set

[frigid frost]

is there no way you could run them through a bot?

[pure breach]

That’s the plan more or less

[frigid frost]

ah okay

[pure breach]

Gonna make a script that follows some logical steps + validates them, to purge illegal sets and absolutely ridiculous stuff like specs physical sets and what not

[frigid frost]

oh i forgot about the technically legal but not useful sets

sounds messy, gl

[white oar]

I got so many replies for my comment on dragon type not being a good coverage type because they clearly missed what I meant

it has good coverage because it hits tons of stuff but a coverage move typically hits what you cant for SE damage

[inner jasper]

My turn at the top of the leader board I expect to be dethroned shortly

[solar kettle]

it has been done

[uneven anvil]

Hello

[steep plover]

hi

[solar kettle]

Hullo

[mossy violet]

anyone knows why in natdex ag sometimes some mons get randomly marked as illegal?

[low basalt]

Walrein is just to good

[quick inlet]

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=tokotorisaki-jalapenoz-1702500155055
The Metronome item is utterly broken.

[mossy violet]

@fast elm do you know why this happens?

[fast elm]

no i haven't seen that before

will check itnout

shows up as legal for me? try double checking the format

[mossy violet]

dunno

[fast elm]

oh its in doubles

oh i do know why thats happening

didn't realize it was doubles mb

not every pokemon is tiered in that format thats why theres no natdex doubles ou yet

i'm waiting on dunscy to give me some tiers for it

[mossy violet]

oh yea should have mentioned it was doubles

srry

[fast elm]

nah you're good

i'll announce when its fixed cause it means doubles formats will be done

[vagrant sinew]

best competitively viable whimsicott fusions?

[dull plaza]

When you finally see one of your randbats sets ingame

[feral anchor]

woooo

FIRE TYPE FLAME ORB WITH GUTS

[dull plaza]

Lmao it’s the exact same set that was already reported

[modest cliff]

lol

what the fuck

1 turn freeze

[torn jay]

I missed 2 draco meteor's in a row

And missed 3 blaze kickes in a row

[modest cliff]

💀

@hidden shoal mad?

[hidden shoal]

bro gets two refridgerate mons when my entire team is weak to ice

no skill

[modest cliff]

cope

[hidden shoal]

then gets bopped the next game LOL

[modest cliff]

gg

[white oar]

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=myjollysomething-ineptgamer-1702516724426

clowning on the time out

moving on

I would've had to forfeit if he stalled any longer because I was busy too

[modest cliff]

don't you love when you get a team that cannot touch one of your Opponent Pokemon

[torn jay]

Not going to be playing for a while ( maybe ) sudachi2 is out

[modest cliff]

Why does every set in randoms have life orb

[torn jay]

Cause choice band isn't rlly needed when mons hit as hard as they do

[modest cliff]

yeah but where is the item variety

Where are my boots

My sashes

My fun berries

[low merlin]

boots wasnt in gen 7

[modest cliff]

It's all sheer force life orb, or non-sheer force life orb

Where assault vest

I just wish there were more interesting sets

in other news

Just got 8 whole points for a balls-to-the-walls close match

[torn jay]

wweres my nutralizing gas

[modest cliff]

Exactly

[torn jay]

n-gas "fixes" the op abilitys

[warped veldt]

At that point this just becomes AAA with extra steps.

[odd kiln]

aaa has no ngas

[hexed umbra]

Ngas has a habit of breaking metagames where you can choose your ability

[cedar mortar]

except in gen 7 OU, apparently (meant to reply to a comment I now realize has no relevance to what I was saying and am too lazy to remove the comment )

[royal solstice]

Most smogon formats have 5 billion choice sets

For random battles

So be thankful you don’t got shit like choice band ting lu

[thick stag]

ok so the randbats sets that get submitted, do they need mod approval or do they get auto-uploaded?

[royal solstice]

No approval atm I think a lot of ubers snuck in

[thick stag]

yeah i got a slaking / azumarill set in one of my recent battles

one with huge power to boot

[royal solstice]

Heehee might’ve been my set

[thick stag]

also is there anywhere that states how long it takes for the set to be imported to showdown?

[royal solstice]

Was it the belly drum one?

[thick stag]

aqua jet / belly drum / earthquake / return

[royal solstice]

Hm almost the set I posted

Mine had liquidation over earthquake

[fast blade]

One of the in game final bosses uses that against you lol

[sudden prawn]

No, and they're starting to review the ones they have and are recieving

[sullen ore]

AV forretress with no spin for if randbats when

[royal solstice]

Choicr band forretress

[thick stag]

oh yeah, it's trollin' time
randbats ain't ready for this

and no, stomping tantrum isn't compatible with sheer force

[whole karma]

choice specs blissuckle

[royal solstice]

Love that amazing special move pull with ancient power and infestation

Yes infestation is special

[glossy zealot]

opinion on flying type seakings with lightroad

good enough for OU?

[dull plaza]

Seaking bring garbage stats so no

[torn jay]

lanturn with any flyer, like dragonite if your offensive

[fast blade]

Never thought about that option, it's like the Poison/Dark Levitate combo

Creative

But no Seaking is trash as a head or a body

[glossy zealot]

i forgot lanturn its just better i guess

[modest cliff]

A reminder to not submit intentionally bad sets to random battles, as it can ruin matches 👍

[fast blade]

If you're looking to play defensively then yeah. I thought you were actually going to use the SpA bump from Lightning rod.

If you just want a Water/Flying with no weaknesses, then yeah Lanturn/Skarmory is pretty decent

[odd kiln]

its weak to rock

[fast blade]

Oh yeah my bad

Whatever it's got only 1 weakness and great bulk

[torn jay]

also dragonite is an option for somewhat offense with tailglow

[odd kiln]

what is somewhat offense

you have it or you dont

[modest cliff]

True...

[modest cliff]

Hazards are completely broken in randoms

[lost galleon]

Regitrio also has a very low base speed, and its offenses are hardly unstoppable either.

[opal fiber]

They reworked all of the triple fusion stats iirc

Its weird how regitrio is still the only one that hasnt been changed

[pure breach]

It’s the only one that has those stats ingame

I also think it’s a bit weird, but it is what it is

[modest cliff]

Regitrio with a 720 BST:
Regitrio with an 8x weakness:

[royal solstice]

It’s probably awful

[modest cliff]

It is

[royal solstice]

Imagine having a 720 bst and still being bad

[mighty knot]

imagine if it had sturdy and weakness policy giving a boost equivalent to the strength of the weakness

it would have been crazy

but we're not on the right universe

:(

[odd kiln]

its still 100/50 offenses

even if regitrio didnt have 8x fighting weakness it would still be bad considering its multiple other weaknesses and lack of recovery or utility

[mighty knot]

yeah, which is sad

[fast blade]

Is the triple dragon good?

Lore wise it works perfectly because all 3 were supposed to be one dragon at one point

[unborn pine]

me when I have a win condition with Salt Cure but garganacl is choice band rock slide body press earthquake avalanche

[royal solstice]

Choice spec toxapex

[unborn pine]

regenerator copium

[ruby current]

Debating between these 3, Giratina has the highest Atk and is mega bulky, Spiritomb is close behind, and Mimikyu gives access to a free SD

It has to be this type btw

[sudden prawn]

Disguise, SD Shado sneak is too good to pss up

[unborn pine]

spiritomb stands no chance compared to giratina, and mimikyu has a busted ability

i think mimikyu is best

[modest cliff]

We are approaching top 10

[fast blade]

Spritomb is not even an option.

In terms of raw stats Giratina is definitely the best but Disguise is just absurd

[fast blade]

If you want a great Ghost/Normal for AG, then Chansey/Aegislash is by far the best one

[unborn pine]

What about blissey doublade (:

[fast blade]

Not even close. No access to King's shield most importantly, but stats are also much worse

[unborn pine]

Stats are the same, except it's slower and has a little less special defense and more attack and special attack

[fast blade]

14 points in SpD is significant

And it's attacking stats are still trash, not worth using

[unborn pine]

It has so much hp that that doesn't matter too much

You'd use doublade only for Spectral Thief sets

[fast blade]

It has so much HP that the proportional HP differences are negligible but not for SpD

[unborn pine]

Although spectral thief is such a naturally busted move you can run it on anything

[fast blade]

No kings shield is a massive L

[unborn pine]

I prefer protect tbh

Since it blocks status moves

Does it run natural cure

Or stance change

[fast blade]

The former

[fast blade]

Wait does King's shield not???

[dull plaza]

King’s Shield is a Protect clone so anything Protect blocks King’s Shield blocks

[fast blade]

He seems to be saying King's shield is damage only not status

[dull plaza]

If he means like hazard moves then neither block that

[odd kiln]

no bc it doesnt get tail glow

[fast blade]

Reshiram on its own gets it, so why wouldn't it?

[odd kiln]

idk

its not there though

[hard prawn]

Stay for 4 minutes looking for a fucking battle for someone to come using stall

[odd kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/skillissue-skill-issue-gif-22125481

[hard prawn]

You like stall?

Lol

[odd kiln]

just beat stall

stall is an archetype like anything else

[hard prawn]

There's nothing I can do when his entire team counters mine lol

2 of my main Pokémon were physical attackers and he was using body press Goodra, there was nothing I could do

[odd kiln]

what were the other 4

what was the goodra fusion

[hard prawn]

Urshifu i think

[odd kiln]

if both your phys attackers cant beat a physwall then that raises the question of whether they synergize together effectively

so a goodra with mediocre def and no recovery

[hard prawn]

And they are weekness to fighting

[odd kiln]

idk what these phys attackers are so i dont have enough info

[hard prawn]

Zacian with deoxys attack and azumarill with scizor

[odd kiln]

how is steel/psychic weak to fighting

[hard prawn]

He died at this point

What you think

[odd kiln]

mediocre

you fused an eterrain setter with a flying type so it cant abuse eterrain anymore for starters

[hard prawn]

Oh i don't know about that tranks

Levitate is not effect?

[odd kiln]

if ur not grounded ur not getting the effects of eterrain

[hard prawn]

Idk what pokémon could be good Against grounds

[odd kiln]

i think the whole premise of eterrain in ndag just isnt good

what with shed and assist running about

(you dont touch shed at all btw)

[hard prawn]

I just want to do something diferent other than turn 1>swords dance> priority move

[royal solstice]

Do turn one dragon dance and then a move

[hard prawn]

Natdex Ag is a bad tier In all

[royal solstice]

I mean yeah that’s what happens when nothing is banned

That’s kinda the point

[hard prawn]

I tried it in the normal natdex and all the matches were just people using buff moves and winning

[royal solstice]

Are the unaware monsters any good?

[hard prawn]

In 3 matches every guy had 6 buff pokemon lol

[royal solstice]

Can you get an unaware mon to counter?

[hard prawn]

I even try but there are always some pokemon that are counter

Like super effective and stuff

[odd kiln]

Ability: Orichalcum Pulse  
Tera Type: Steel  
Fusion: Solgaleo  
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe  
Jolly Nature  
- Collision Course  
- Sunsteel Strike  
- Flare Blitz  
- U-turn```
idk use this or something

[odd kiln]

yes

[royal solstice]

Try using quagsey

Or something

Idk

[hard prawn]

Aw close combat

[modest cliff]

Yippee

[royal solstice]

Then just use chansckle

Figjting moves at best two hit

W/o boost

[odd kiln]

shuckle sucks

[hard prawn]

The problem is, what i do IF the have 6 buff pokémon? d:

[royal solstice]

Topsy tervy?

[hard prawn]

What is that?

[royal solstice]

Reverse stat changes on the target

Positive becomes negative

Negative becomes positive

Essentially contrary but with extra steps

[modest cliff]

Yeah if they're setting up, you can say Nuh Uh

[royal solstice]

It’s really funny

Especially because people don’t expect it

[modest cliff]

Mhm

It's a super niche move

[odd kiln]

send in imposter

[royal solstice]

If the set up sweepers piss u off that much then

Ig u can use it

[odd kiln]

its just the best option against setup

[hard prawn]

Ditto Is it better with fusion?

[odd kiln]

yes chansey ditto is good

[white oar]

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=archelosaurian-ineptgamer-1702692635708

158 turn game 💀

[odd kiln]

unimpressive try a 1000 turn game

[fast blade]

Just total cancer lol. It's funny Tapu Koko is now kind of invalidated

[fast blade]

Why no rising voltage abuse?

Adaptability+Rising voltage for example

To abuse the terrain

[modest cliff]

shortest IF game

[white oar]

real

[thick stag]

why is regieleki + Arceus grass running meadow plate and no judgement or other grass move

[uneven anvil]

hello i am new to pokemon showdown

[hard prawn]

What you think gays

[tribal trellis]

Isn't that for teambuilding?

But anyways why no clay for the veil?

And buzzwhole could be better than kleavor not sure

[hard prawn]

Its done

[tribal trellis]

Yea but teambuilding is also for discussion on teams

[hard prawn]

I Still losing for buff strategy

The worst strategy

I just wanted to have fun

[tribal trellis]

ok than what are you asking

seems like a nice team

good ideas

[hard prawn]

How i counter Things like quiver dance + armor tail or things like that

The only counter is ditto but putting a ditto on the team would break the entire team

[tribal trellis]

i mean you don't really counter armor tail it's just that you have 2 mons with half of their attacking moves being priority

[hard prawn]

He had the perfect counter

[tribal trellis]

wdym he had a quiver dancing armor tail mon?

[hard prawn]

Yes

I could have killed him with close combat but I didn't think he would be stupid enough to just buff himself in front of a guy who would kill him

[tribal trellis]

yea i mean the whole point of scarf on the mon with first impression and bullet punch is for dealing with setup

so he just didn't think you had close combat or something

but it is easiest way on your team to deal with that

[hard prawn]

Machamp was against him

I think it was pretty obvious that I had

[tribal trellis]

ok so he banked on you not clicking it

or mabye he had a chople berry

[hard prawn]

I think he Just see the shadow sneak and think "haha i AM imune"

[tribal trellis]

ok so he was stupid and you thought he was being smart? like what's the point? you deal with setup by not letting things set up, if you want to do something to setup after they setup you want a mon with unaware or choice scarf good move

[hard prawn]

I thought he was going to make me do close combat to exchange or something like that

[tribal trellis]

yea mabye

[hard prawn]

Like, stall aurora veil

[tribal trellis]

but my point is that it's really specific what you just said, it's how pokemon works sometimes it's predicting what the opponent does

you have a niche counter to setup with veil and scarf

if you want more than that get an unaware mon or just be really mindful of pokemon with setup moves like quiver dance and dragon dance

[hard prawn]

Nah i like this team a Lot

[tribal trellis]

ok, than just keep going with it

and be mindful of setup moves

and what you have to counter it

[hard prawn]

But if I fall against more team buffers I'll make another one to counter, because no one deserves it

[tribal trellis]

like if something already quiver danced you have prio or the spiritomb fusion which can probably survive the hits

[hard prawn]

I tried but shadow ball Destroy It lol

[tribal trellis]

on +1 SpA?

[hard prawn]

@tribal trellis imposter from ditto is banned

Lol

[tribal trellis]

ah right you aren't playing ag just national dex lol

but it's fine just stay with your team

[hard prawn]

Its OU

[tribal trellis]

and be mindful of the setup moves and try to punish them

[hard prawn]

@tribal trellis what you think?

[tribal trellis]

good idea

no need for haze and dragon tail tho

just click tail

[hard prawn]

Haze is bad because have taunt j remember now haha

Grimmsnarl with haze is good too

[tribal trellis]

yea i mean haze is good

but the mon is slow anyway

so just dragon tail them out

[hard prawn]

Nah, dark types are imune so, If a something dark have buffed and is more faster i die

Guzzlord is the best choice here

[tribal trellis]

?

what

fairy types?

[hard prawn]

I talking about prankster

[tribal trellis]

what are talking about? you have prankster taunt?

[hard prawn]

Prankster haze

[feral anchor]

epic reminder that priority does not work in psychic terrain

[tribal trellis]

we were also talking about armor tail

[tribal trellis]

the whole point this mon would be it lives because of unaware and than dragon tails them out

[feral anchor]

oh natdex ag i see

[tribal trellis]

just natdex not ag

but yea

[feral anchor]

oh kk makes sense

[hard prawn]

I give up from Ag, Anyway team ready

[feral anchor]

yea ag just kinda sucks, too many threats to deal with

[hard prawn]

Trick with choice is really good against some boring stalls

Or walls

[tribal trellis]

yea seems nice

[feral anchor]

Dont forget to change the name of your pokemon to confuse other people

because thats fair

[hard prawn]

Lol

Nobody plays natdex

[feral anchor]

natdex ag Eternamax is legal, no wonder why nobody plays it

[hard prawn]

I talking about OU

[feral anchor]

Extremely fair stats to fuse with btw

[feral anchor]

pretty sure thats just because nobody is online

[hard prawn]

Have 17 online

Its so much peoples Compared to normal

[feral anchor]

there's more when people are in school

compared to now

[hard prawn]

Yesterday it was 32 and I still only found 1 battle lol

[feral anchor]

lol

wow there really is nobody there 15 people

hows this team? i just threw it together.

[fast blade]

Wait wtf shouldn't it just be it's normal form? Not the eternamax form?

[feral anchor]

welcome to ag

to be fair it has to be the body or else it wont validate

[hard prawn]

If dex ou is shit

They've already found a counter to everything

It's no longer fun

[feral anchor]

neither was getting your team wiped by espeed and boomburst

[hard prawn]

?

[feral anchor]

?

[hard prawn]

Wdym

@feral anchor @feral anchor @feral anchor

[fast elm]

idt you reported this btw it would be helpful if you made a post :)

[feral anchor]

i'd thought it would be legal since its ag but sure ill do that

[feral anchor]

also is it a bug that you can only use mega's in natdex if the evolving pokemon is the head?

[fast elm]

that should only be an ag thing

if you can do that in ou then its a bug

[feral anchor]

its an ag thing but the problem is that you arent able to mega evolve a pokemon if it's the body

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=dddadssssad-staros-1702743955310

[fast elm]

yeah no i didn't add support for that

not gonna spend time making megas work since they aren't in the game anyway

[fast blade]

Is boomburst banned???

[fast blade]

Lol that shows it's definitely a bug lol

[feral anchor]

People still use sylvern so no

[fallow wharf]

Isn't a best one format going to lead to some insanley volatile team building?

[regal hatch]

I wonder if I should join the tournament

[tribal trellis]

why not

[regal hatch]

Idk

[surreal echo]

I'm at a concert rn

Otherwise I would've joined

[white oar]

im so mad

im on a different pc and didnt have a team available to use

[white oar]

also can yall auto save replays for tournaments I have to manually do this

(im going to study the sets)