Why can't my Raichu learn endeavor anymore ?
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weary bronze
fast blade
Aggron with qd is wild
Technician boosted Ancient power and HP???? Bro is cookin' 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Oh come on we have sleep clause
frigid frost
yeah the spore ban and imposter ban both seemed a little out of left field to me, but whatever, it isn't a super competitive format so i def understand how banning things that aren't fun for some people can be good. i just hope that line of thinking does not go super far 😂
fast blade
yeah the spore ban and imposter ban both seemed a little out of left field to me...
I'm now realizing I didn't see a "showdown announcements" channel???
Oh yeah the announcement isn't in there anyway
frigid frost
yeah the bans from yesterday were not posted about
hoary canopy
It is! I check back from time to time, and I am consistently blown away by how far this game has come!
outer tusk
someone should make a list of the most common fusions in ou
sudden prawn
The game is still adapting into a possibly stable state
Gliscor and Toxapex running rampant. Plus the starter triple fusions
And can’t forget Dragonite
I think the Sylveon/Noivern hype has died down
steep plover
Technician boosted Ancient power and HP???? Bro is cookin' 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
funny thing is that I forgot that Aggron learns flamethrower anyway, so HP fire is simply a bad choice
fast blade
funny thing is that I forgot that Aggron learns flamethrower anyway, so HP fire ...
You could run something with power gem and use that as STAB, but STAB Technician boosted ancient power is 90 BP which is good
Isn't flamethrower 90 BP? so HP Fire becomes basically a flamethrower clone?
steep plover
with no burn and fewer pp
frigid frost
im pretty sure aggron having qd is being fixed soon lol
fast blade
Gliscor and Toxapex running rampant. Plus the starter triple fusions
So how do triple fusions work? You get the max of each invidual pokemon's stats?
sudden prawn
That's what it seems like
frigid frost
which is weird because i dont think thats how it was done in infinite fusion
i could be wrong but for example the wiki gives swamptilikens stats as 83HP/105ATK/75DEF/100SpA/82SpD/87SPE
fast blade
which is weird because i dont think thats how it was done in infinite fusion
You mean there may be a discrepancy between stats in IF showdown vs in game showdown?
frigid frost
no, as in there may be a discrepancy between the IF game and the IF showdown server
i have all the triple fusions on my IF save, i can just check
oh wait, they may have changed it for 6.0 so i have to update
fast blade
no, as in there may be a discrepancy between the IF game and the IF showdown ser...
That's what I meant
frigid frost
yeah ill update my infinite fusion and confirm
median thunder
no power gem?
median thunder
oh technician aggron lmaooo
fast blade
oh technician aggron lmaooo
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
steep plover
ngl, I wouldn't exactly hate for them to get nerfed
frigid frost
i really dislike the triple fusions and they have insanely inflated bst on the showdown server which is pretty frustrating
fast blade
all the triple fusions are coded incorrectly
How did you verify?
frigid frost
i have all of them on my savefile
white oar
i really dislike the triple fusions and they have insanely inflated bst on the s...
i dont think it's the bst that's an issue
to me it's the fucking triple STAB
sure the triple starters get walled by dragons, but then there's zapmolticuno
frigid frost
i have debug mode enabled so i can edit the iv's /ev's to confirm
steep plover
at least zapmoltcuno straight up dies to rocks so it's not seen very often
white oar
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still one of the most threatening offensive mons I can think of
people don't use it by merit of triple fusions being boring
frigid frost
yeah idk im not about to complain about "oh fuck u have rocks up i literally cant switch in my pokemon"
white oar
Might just be my lack of rock setup
frigid frost
well
that would be an error at team building
why does your team not have the best move in pokemon
lol
white oar
gimmicks
that and hyper offensive
and defog being my clearer so it's kinda pointless
frigid frost
hyper offensive teams should be running rocks
frigid frost
you choosing to not use rocks then complain about pokemon that dies to rocks doesnt make me sad
i am just trying to fix ur issue for u
white oar
no I mean
get it
I hadnt registered that it insta dies to rocks
I just like to do dumb gimmicks because it's fun to do unique shit
frigid frost
i dont think i understand but im glad you now understand that it instantly dies if you switch it on rocks lol
steep plover
rock is a bit like pre-buff knock off, the effect looks subtle but it really isn't
white oar
might make a full hazard team with a prankster ghost roar to fuck up their dreams
steep plover
it was pretty funny when after knock was buffed all the old gens started realising it's good even if it hits for 20 BP
white oar
aye items are really important
steep plover
honestly the meta has been really fun for me, my biggest gripe is all the poryvern and azunite spam
white oar
my favorite solution is to have psychic terrain up and just outspeed them
but that's a gimmick
frigid frost
my current thoughts on team building in this meta is if you dont have a ground, flying, ghost, and steel type
white oar
it is funny though
white oar
aqua jet is a bitch on certain mons
steep plover
maybe I'm using the wrong one haha
frigid frost
idk there are plenty of bulky ghost types that will just
solve ur problem vs those guys
frigid frost
How did you verify?
oh i guess i can add, if youre interested in the verification process i show it all here #1178073980742144133 message
im glad that
i was not wrong when i played this game forever ago
and looked at the triple fusions
and said "most of these look insanely ass"
i was questioning my world views when i saw them on the showdown server
elfin hazel
median thunder
might make a full hazard team with a prankster ghost roar to fuck up their dream...
roar has a negative priority of more than 1
it goes after focus punch
median thunder
even with prankster it doesn't go to +1 prio
white oar
tragic
median thunder
in gen 5 tho prankster assist roar was a thing
white oar
if only
median thunder
cos assist ignores the negative prio
frigid frost
also fun fact before someone else gets owned by this because it happened a few times on the ladder
espeed moves before prankster
white oar
indeed
frigid frost
so many people tried to prankster willo my dnite
many people also stayed in on porygon because they had a sub
white oar
I need a way to stop defog
frigid frost
i have found out theres a lot of critical knowledge missing
👻
defiants all you got
white oar
i mean
frigid frost
/competitive
white oar
fusions makes a lot of weird situations
median thunder
espeed is +2 yea
white oar
anyways
median thunder
mach punch prio moves are +1
white oar
time to make a full bulk team with a fuck ton of taunts and ghost types ig
median thunder
sucker is +1
frigid frost
competitive / defiant + ghost is a nice way
to stop hazard removal
let me search through my boxes for the "fuck you dont remove my hazards section"
white oar
outstanding
median thunder
biblade has been so annoying when I've run into it
frigid frost
biblade is pretty good
white oar
spectral thief
frigid frost
super buff and hits very hard
white oar
hate
frigid frost
spectral thief is legit just haze but better cause you cant taunt it lol
its funny
and then also steals the buffs
just for fun
white oar
I didn't know it existed and I set up in front of a bibarel/doublade
and then fucking got swept
frigid frost
LOL
outer tusk
what is a lobby tour?
pure breach
a tournament ran on the showdown lobby
Showdown has an integrated function for tournaments, makes it super neat
outer tusk
cool
fast blade
and said "most of these look insanely ass"
Yeah I always thought they were trash, I assumed they had updated it or something
thick axle
How do i get the role of showdown pings
vivid junco
Showdown has an integrated function for tournaments, makes it super neat
im helping nagisa make a team atm
vivid junco
Nagisa's been very quiet lately, I thought they'd really be into IF
they really miss poa
they kinda dipped from all discord servers except the one in a active draft league their in
pure breach
ah, that's a shame
lusty wagon
Yo how long until they bring in Gen 7 IF Dex Monotype.
Because Monotype is unironically my favorite Showdown format lol.
outer tusk
congrats Pitiman
thick axle
That was a fun tournament 
outer tusk
Yo how long until they bring in Gen 7 IF Dex Monotype.
Because Monotype is unir...
gym battles are fun
though sometimes decided at team select
lusty wagon
Part of the fun to me is designing a team that's able to counter its own weaknesses
verbal pine
hexed umbra
I'm basically running double regen + 2 dumb breakers
trail wagon
slender abyss
AG is stinky
odd kiln
steep plover
I'm currently maining this, but it feels like it's being carried by snorcor https://pokepast.es/b7de6c37484ccd65
viscid skiff
I wish you guys didn't schedule lobbies when I worked 😭
steep plover
yes...
frigid frost
hahahahahahahha
anyways it looks pretty good, main issues id say it has you are willingly choosing to play a psychic fusion which is crazy and drifbloom + registeel is probably not that good
steep plover
Zapdos/Celebi is Grass/Electric
frigid frost
oh
viscid skiff
I have a question for yall btw
viscid skiff
What would you recommend for catching up on competitive pokemon
steep plover
honestly it performs pretty well, the shaky bit has been the ghost type for me
viscid skiff
Coming from someone who's only ever played casually and just really started understand the whole OU/ubers system like a few years back
frigid frost
idk electric/grass just like
doesnt really have a lot of resists
so its awkward
if its working its working tho
frigid frost
What would you recommend for catching up on competitive pokemon
unironically just playing the game lol
frigid frost
yeah idk i understand that sounds like a meme but
viscid skiff
Hard to get in matches working grave shift all the time
steep plover
just don't play gen 9 OU if you want to keep your sanity
frigid frost
oh, if you mean for like, infinite fusion stuff in particular uhhh
viscid skiff
I'm still happy I got to sprite the meme cannon Slyveon Noivern 🫡
frigid frost
youre even more forced into my awful answer of "just play the game"
😂
there's not really any content inparticular
viscid skiff
As someone who enjoys his difficulty wall games I get what ur sayin
frigid frost
i wanted a sample team thing but
viscid skiff
Just wanted some nice content to pop into my ear while I work
frigid frost
idk how many people are willing toi put those forward
viscid skiff
Like primers?
frigid frost
no like just teams people already built
viscid skiff
I'd kill for some primers tbh
When I get home I could link boomburst meme team
I'd need to adjust it to OU though
Shouldn't be too much of a change tbh
frigid frost
i mean if you just want a team + a short writeup id be willing to drop my team that i hit top 10 somewhat recently with
fell down because i havent had time to play though
too many students today
viscid skiff
But yeah that'd be dope
That's how I managed to figure out old ass magic metas
IFs been my first pokemon game I just sat down and finished since like dp
And having my friends yell at me "dumbass toxic doesn't work on steel types" is still shockingly high
I'm very amused by how much of this game I never understood because (older) pokemon ui is bad at showing information
steep plover
yeah I faced it a couple times
steep plover
iirc I won once and lost a couple
though my team was a bit more out of whack some time ago
steep plover
to be fair this meta really lends itself to surprise strats
frigid frost
i am not gonna pretend to be playing an honest strategy when i have zoroark specifically to convince people to suicide their porygon checks into me
lol
but also for some reason people fall for it 8 times in a row
🤔
steep plover
I mean, when poryvern comes out you need to go to the boomburst resist/immune
there is surprisingly little choice 😆
frigid frost
the secret is you can usually go to a middle ground
especially if you know that the zoroark is usually disguised as the poryvern for that reason
i do not even bother attempting to hide it, it's just always disguised as the poryvern and i am down to just run the 50/50 with people
frigid frost
no
viscid skiff
Just to be clear we're talking adaptability porygon z right
frigid frost
yessir
105 spatk + 102 speed on sylvern vs 122 spatk + 112 speed on poryvern, poryvern is less capable of taking hits but like
it doesnt
really need to
lol
steep plover
the secret is you can usually go to a middle ground
to give a guesstimate of its power
200 SpA Life Orb Adaptability Porygon-Z Boomburst vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Snorlax: 265-315 (50.6 - 60.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
frigid frost
local man finds out porygon has insane stats
viscid skiff
Listen it's all new to me
steep plover
took some EVs off to simulate Noivern having less satk
viscid skiff
I had to relearn IVs and EVs for the fifth time this year
steep plover
too lazy lol
frigid frost
fair enough
steep plover
I mean, it'll be in the ballpark 😆
steep plover
calc it hahahaha
is there a custom damage calculator for IF?
viscid skiff
frigid frost
no but showdowns calc lets you input stats manually
viscid skiff
🫡
steep plover
yeah I figured
viscid skiff
I'm just happy the tournaments not going to be 50 shedinja checks
steep plover
not a guaranteed 2HKO on SDef Snorlax, PU at best
252 SpA Life Orb Adaptability Porygon-Z Boomburst vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Snorlax: 257-304 (49.1 - 58.1%) -- 96.9% chance to 2HKO
maybe I need some of this in my life
252 SpA Life Orb Adaptability Abomasnow Boomburst vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Abomasnow: 70-83 (20.3 - 24.1%) -- guaranteed 5HKO
steep plover
great minds think alike... but fools seldom differ
when the moves
I think this might suit my style more tbh
though the stats are lower
unborn pine
maybe I need some of this in my life
why sludge bomb over flash cannon? For poison chance?
hexed umbra
Yes, it's designed to spread status and knock items
ebon oyster
Any place to find out what these mean specifically?
wary flame
Any place to find out what these mean specifically?
like what the tiers names mean?
ebon oyster
like what the tiers names mean?
yeah, their rules and stuff
wary flame
yeah, their rules and stuff
if dex mean the pokemon in pokemon infinite fusion nat dex means every pokemon ever
ou means overused or stander play stuff is banned from this tier and stuff ability clause and Evasion Clause are in place
ag means anything goes there are no banneds
and doubles just means there are 2 pokemon on the filed rather then 1
hope this helps
ebon oyster
Good to know, are OU specifics listed anywhere by chance?
wary flame
when makeing a team you check the list of stuffed banned by clicking the validate button
unborn pine
Abilities and moves are marked in red if you click on them
Pokémon that are banned are just marked as illegal and don't appear in the teambuilder unless you specifically search for them
late kestrel
thick axle
Meloetta has been announced 
How does this affect the OU meta? (Once it gets in game)
rose night
Will it be like the games and you can only use Pirouette if you run Relic Song? If so, bleaugh lmao
100/77/77/128/128/90 doesn’t seem too oppressive. The high speed of Pirouette is locked away.
deft oasis
Meloetta's stats are quite good for the head slot (HP/SpA/SpD) and it has Serene Grace too, so it could see some limited use if paired with a type that works well with Normal
rose night
Oh I clean forgot about Serene Grace 
fast blade
Meloetta has been announced <:ohyes:686653537911832661> How does this affect the...
Gets banned right away if Alakazam is getting banned
135/120 vs 128/128 offense
And serene grace shenanigans
STAB Close combat
thick axle
idk, I feel like it wouldn't be that broken, and that alakazam doesn't really deserve the ban, there are way stronger mons on the current meta
fast blade
Super fast pivot
deft oasis
Pirouette is like Mega Lopunny but exchanging the ability to hit Ghost-types with a free item slot of choice
thick axle
Will it be like the games and you can only use Pirouette if you run Relic Song? ...
It depends on this tbh 
If it needs to use a turn to become piruette form, it's not gonna be too broken
fast blade
And Aria forme has one of the best head stat spreads in the game at 100/128/128
fast blade
idk, I feel like it wouldn't be that broken, and that alakazam doesn't really de...
Well I don't think alakazam should be banned either, but if we are being consistent then yeah
fast blade
It depends on this tbh <:this:951894761193742377>
If it needs to use a turn to ...
Oh yeah for sure
I was assuming that Pirouette form is like default. Not banworthy otherwise
The normal form has an incredible head stat spread but that's usually not enough to ban
frigid frost
Well I don't think alakazam should be banned either, but if we are being consist...
alakazam is banned for a few reasons, magic guard is just an insanely powerful ability
the stat spread is nuts + magic guard mind blown is like fire blast on crack
fast blade
the stat spread is nuts + magic guard mind blown is like fire blast on crack
Then just ban mind blown and it's fine
frigid frost
idk i kinda disagree with that LOL if mind blown is only broken on one pokemon than its not the problem right
as an idea last respects is banned in OU specifically because that move is broken, its the reason why basculegion-m and houndstone are strong, those pokemon are not strong without the move, but rage fist is not banned and annihilape is because primeape also has rage fist and primeape is not broken with rage fist
sudden prawn
The Aria head is normal type too, so it has to compete with Porygon-Z adaptability
Unless the devs change that. (Heat crash and Heavy slam this twig lol)
fast blade
does iron fists affect plasma fists?
fast blade
damn showdown is already dead, we are at 3 active battles rn
steep plover
Slowthorn has been putting in the work ngl
having some firepower vs more immediately offensive things w.r.t. Regiapex has felt like it's worth the bulk downgrade
outer tusk
the only real downside of illusion is that it won't show a fused sprite
so it has to look like a non custom
at least it did before when I tried it
steep plover
idk about Melo, the head stats are very good and the body stats are solid, but normal type is eh and the movepool isn't anything special (unless it gets custom stuff like Quiver Dance or something)
sudden prawn
Damn, had to miss the lobby tour for dinner
also, I want the Showdown Pings role, where do I get it?
aight, found it for anyone else looking:
sudden prawn
Just fought the OUest team to ever OU. I think I'm done for a while lol
steep plover
what was it like
elfin hazel
AG players putting bulky darkrai and focus sash shedinja on their team (they are very original)
sudden prawn
FerroTox, Slyvnite, Poryvern, bugged triple fusion, Jirachomp, Gengar/zoroark to snipe Poryvern counters
And I know I'm a trash player, but I was trying stuff out
steep plover
yeah some of the stuff floating around requires really specific counters
btw the more I play and vs snorcor the more I think something has to be done about that thing
sudden prawn
The only thing I can applaud is the Gengar Zoroark, but I haven't played in a while to see it.
How on earth can anyone new get into this without getting bodied and just dropping this
steep plover
AG players putting bulky darkrai and focus sash shedinja on their team (they are...
I can only imagine that the three natdex ag players all have a forretress/sheddy fusion
elfin hazel
I can only imagine that the three natdex ag players all have a forretress/sheddy...
as one of the 3 IFdex ag players i cannot confirm
sudden prawn
I'll just wait for RandBats or UU I guess, I'm glad they're not advertising it more cause it would destroy people who were genuinely interested
elfin hazel
its a shame theres not many players though cus i queue for like 20 min to play against someone i fought last game
frigid frost
no clue howd theyd even attempt to make uu tbh
sudden prawn
It's a ton of fun when two people just trying things out meet up. But any fun team eventually hits the meta wall
sudden prawn
Yeah, It's why OU titans existed
It'd just be cooler if with the thousands of fusions in the game, people would try to win more creatively
UU was always the place I would go to experiment with fun stuff
frigid frost
theres plenty of ways to win with creativity
literally every tier on smogon suffers from this btw youre just less likely to see it on low ladder in lower tiers lol
if you go to uu instead of seeing great tusk and friends youll see the broken mons of uu
steep plover
which are just the pre-dlc ou mons
frigid frost
😂
sudden prawn
https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=shadowsause-kaboah-1701034435174
ofc, I just got put in a bad mood after seeing this team. And rematching twice cause noone else was on lol
frigid frost
idk i see this complaint often about competitive pokemon and to me it usually just sounds like "WELL IM TRYING TO WIN WITH CREATIVITY WHY ARENT OTHERS 😡 "
sudden prawn
Competitive Pokemon do be competitive Pokemon
frigid frost
because they arent you and dont have the same values as you
some people just want to see victory screen and dont care about how they get there
but also you will always see people innovating and coming up with creative teams and succeeding
frigid frost
id argue the same for this format btw, theres a lot of creative and innovative teams out there that do well
sudden prawn
Yeah, it's just lame to see the same Pokemon recycled when there're so many to choose from. But there's a reason that people do. I even see cool ideas and snatch 'em. You have to build around a meta which I just naively thought would take longer to develop in IF
fast blade
Wait weakness policy is allowed on showdown?
sudden prawn
As far as I know
steep plover
rock polish regitrio about to smoke the meta
fast blade
Is it one of those randomizer loopholes?
sudden prawn
probably
hoary canopy
Whether it's Magic: The Gathering or Pokémon, any game format where you go in to a match with your choice of all possible options is going to lend itself to running the most consistently effective deck/team, or at best, a novel variation on it.
sudden prawn
Yeah, I just hoped people wouldn't feel like they had to take IF Showdown so seriously. No one gives a shit if you're number 1 on the ladder of a fan game. But for some people the only fun is winning. Different values.
steep plover
I mean, nothing stops you from going around in low ladder, I do it myself on my alt
I'm sorry if this comes across badly btw
sudden prawn
There's not enough people for there to be a low ladder, just a ladder lol
You're fine
steep plover
yeah I guess that's true
hoary canopy
With Magic, I consider draft formats a better version of the game, since it tests you strategically in real time. "Here's 90 cards; take turns drafting them, then build the best deck you can with the ones you picked, and then play the game with it." But really the game started at the draft.
sudden prawn
I loved draft leagues for Pokemon, no argument there
hoary canopy
The real dream is "here's 18 pokémon, pick 12 of them, fuse 'em, and that's your team. Then fight someone who might've picked a different 12 of those same 18."
sudden prawn
I F draft league, after a bit more fine tuning of the server. I’m down! I just got frustrated with OU cause I’m trash at Pokemon and I wasted time building a team that got trashed by the “meta”.
hoary canopy
Something like that would test your team-building ability and strategy in a way that can't be outsourced to the meta.
sudden prawn
tldr (whiny bitch opinion) Team building: Very fun. Watching said Team bounce off a Toxapex and get BB/E-Speed’ed: Less fun
thick axle
https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=z4ifir-catsoup02-1701038651813 Never let me cook again 
Acupressure ban when
inner jasper
Instead of Aqua Jet you could run Rapid Spin to get rid of Leech Seed and get a x2 speed boost
fast blade
Wait wtf why does rapid spin boost speed in this game?
They're supposed to be gen 7 movesets
dusky steeple
Is there a way to search Expert Moves?
fast blade
Is there a way to search Expert Moves?
The wiki?
thick axle
Signature moves: https://pastebin.com/raw/0p555haP
legendary moves: https://pastebin.com/raw/t0f3RMQj
frigid frost
the wiki page is slightly better for readability lol
idk if its the most up to date but
it gives you all the ideas at least
white oar
one could always manually write it out and then pin it
if someone were to guarentee it'd get pinned i'd probably write it out
fast elm
Signature moves: https://pastebin.com/raw/0p555haP
legendary moves: https://past...
if you update it then mention me
frigid frost
🫡 thanks yoshi
white oar
yikes I need to automate this
it's too much text damn
I just have an annoying long google doc now
white oar
this thing
@fast elm idk how to format this so it's easily readable but there
tempted to put a description of the move in the message but I
dont have the patience tbh
radiant rampart
fast blade
it shouldnt
It shouldn't but I heard some people saying it does
If it doesn't then we good nvm
hexed umbra
I've fought rapid spin mons, it doesnt
fast blade
I've fought rapid spin mons, it doesnt
Okay good nvm
frigid frost
im gonna be playing in an infinite fusion draft league, would anyone be interested in watching if uploaded to youtube / streamed?
pure breach
There’s already a draft league going for it?
frigid frost
me and some friends organized one, yea
its definitely very far from the usual draft ruleset though as
it kinda has to be, at least atm 😅
pure breach
Yeah, IF drafts are bound to be weird, but I’m sure it’ll be a lot of fun
frigid frost
we just drafted 24 pokemon, and can only fuse within those 24, if you win with a particular fusion then its gone so that you cant abuse a single fusion to the end of the league
ie if you win with like jirachi + tangrowth, you cant use jirachi + tangrowth together anymore, but you can still use jirachi and tangrowth
no clue if this is the best way to go about it but it seemed like itd result in the most fun + innovative ways to win so
hexed umbra
That seems really fun, I would watch that
sudden prawn
You drafted some HEAT
frigid frost
🫡
sudden prawn
Slowking and Bro lol
frigid frost
i was second pick so i got shafted fairly often on picks so i had to make sure to pick up the good regenerators who are not pex
being one of the middle picks in a snake draft is never fun...
its okay though i have some fire ideas
sudden prawn
I’ll be rootin’ for ya! @ me if you do end up posting something
frigid frost
can do, ty 😄
vocal bolt
There’s already a draft league going for it?
yeah I am doing a draft with some too, very basic and uses more of the shittier pokemon
It's just a way to theorycraft with less of the usual pokemon everywhere tbh 
tribal trellis
im gonna be playing in an infinite fusion draft league, would anyone be interest...
i think there would be some interest in it yea
atleast i will watch it
and some other answers on here seems like they will too
fast elm
thick axle
Would love some day to participate on a draft league, it seems so fun
warped veldt
Man, I don't know why I'm struggling so hard in this format.
I did decently in vanilla Pokémon- why is IF kicking my ass 
thick axle
Random question, is zapmolticuno good? Never seen someone use it before, ig because of the rock weakness, a shame heavy duty boots are gen 8
solar kettle
I think rocks just kinda makes it useless, Ive seen it in AG a few times and it got OHKOed by rocks without doing anything every time
pure breach
Random question, is zapmolticuno good? Never seen someone use it before, ig beca...
Good in NatDex, not so much in IF Dex
vivid junco
Good in NatDex, not so much in IF Dex
Its ok in nat dex. Get out classed by others mons you want on a team with those types.
But if your not using any type overlap then its good
Pretty knock off weak
unborn pine
A Pokémon getting ohkoed by rocks is really funny
vivid junco
A Pokémon getting ohkoed by rocks is really funny
It is
thick axle
What about Celemewchi? Does it have anything going on?
vocal bolt
What about Celemewchi? Does it have anything going on?
From what I've tried Celebi Jirachi works better than the three together, the psychic type does not do it too many favors
But it's still solid 
unborn pine
has alot of support moves
astral yoke
It's a good support mon drowned by its poor typing
proven fjord
i would not call grass steel bad typing
if you mean grass steel psychic then yeah no thats not that good my bad
astral yoke
if you mean grass steel psychic then yeah no thats not that good my bad
This
Weak to bug, fire x4, ghost
proven fjord
neutral to ground
fast blade
Bro my electric terrain team did pretty good last night
I was like 10-1 or something like that
It's unfortunate that rising voltage isn't in the game, otherwise it would be the highest power in the entire game
unborn pine
why is this pure flying?
warped veldt
Noivern's first type (Flying) + Noctowl's second type (Flying) = pure Flying fusion
proven fjord
most normal flying birds only pass on flying
frigid frost
i thought they got rid of that
frigid frost
i see
proven fjord
yep see
unborn pine
i love this sprite
fast blade
Are they gonna make an ubers tier? Just has all the broken pokemon but has all of the usual clauses
Plus add a wonder guard clause if that doesn't already exist
frigid frost
i can say id def enjoy the idea of playing an ubers tier more than the existing ag tier lol
proven fjord
It breaks my heart
yeah, i miss the days of scizors being steel type
frigid frost
but might be for the best to not add too many tiers
fast blade
Noivern's first type (Flying) + Noctowl's second type (Flying) = pure Flying fus...
It doesn't work like that anymore as of 6.0, it would take one of the secondary types
frigid frost
it's not like we have a lot of players as it is
fast blade
yeah, i miss the days of scizors being steel type
Or venusaur/Steelix being insane
fast blade
it's not like we have a lot of players as it is
Gotta find a way to make it more popular
thick axle
Was just playing If, when I found a bug gem, shouldn't all gem be allowed then?
fast blade
Was just playing If, when I found a bug gem, shouldn't all gem be allowed then?
Was that through the randomizer?
thick axle
Nope, I got it by checking a web in the forest
Plus i swear you could buy the gem from the stores when I first played
frigid frost
i definitely remember being able to buy all the gems in the stores
maybe not all of them
but a lot of them for sure
solar kettle
Was just playing If, when I found a bug gem, shouldn't all gem be allowed then?
Should prolly be banned from OU anyway, gems are cooler z move
thick axle
They are indeed in 
frigid frost
i disagree that theyre like z moves
you can bait out gem activations
you cannot bait out z move activations
or rather
thick axle
This is gen 7 btw, before they were removed, they got nerfed to only 1.3x boost, so they are kind of bad
(Except for unburden mons, they are gonna go nuts after the change )
frigid frost
there is more rps with baiting out z move activations
oh yeah, also 1.3x boost, forgot about that
single use life orb
fast blade
if gems are in i can legalize gems
Yeah apparently they're in
steep plover
i love this sprite
Whimsicott body sprites are goated
unborn pine
This is gen 7 btw, before they were removed, they got nerfed to only 1.3x boost,...
funnily enough there isnt really anything that fuses with hawlucha to make it stronger whilst giving it close combat
keeping the flying stab
warped veldt
I had a Hitmonlee/Crobat fusion for Unburden strats. Not that good, unfortunately.
frigid frost
🤔
i mean
i dont think id use headsmash on that
but id definitely say its better than normal hawlucha
warped veldt
The Gen 3 triple fusion would go wild with Gems. Fire Gem + Flare Blitz?
frigid frost
the gen 3 triple fusions should be getting nerfed... soonventually
well
all of them
but
@fast elm any eta on that btw lol
pure breach
if gems are in i can legalize gems
I know someone who might enjoy that
fast blade
all of them
I thought you said you tested and the regis actually are taking the top stat of each?
frigid frost
i meant the starter fusions
but
yea
regitrio is correct
this is what i get for yapping while working
solar kettle
This is gen 7 btw, before they were removed, they got nerfed to only 1.3x boost,...
Forgot they were a thing in 7, thought it was just normal at that point
fast blade
this is usable I guess
Now to get your speed boost you need to have already attacked, which sucks because you need to be able to setup first on a forced switch. Run it in terrain w/a seed
fast blade
but id definitely say its better than normal hawlucha
Normal hawlucha hits like a wet noodle
thick axle
Forgot they were a thing in 7, thought it was just normal at that point
Nah you good, they were emoved in gen 6 lol, but they did get nerfed at the same time, despite being removed
proven fjord
Forgot they were a thing in 7, thought it was just normal at that point
they're in the game, and still in the game in gen 9 just unobtainable
fast blade
Nah you good, they were emoved in gen 6 lol, but they did get nerfed at the same...
Yeah so presumably the Hella nerfed versions are in this game
A one time 30% use kinda sucks. Might as well just use the 20% one all the time.
Only useful for unburden users sometimes
solar kettle
and only in if dex, natdex would just run seeds
fast blade
and only in if dex, natdex would just run seeds
Seeds are legal in IF dex just not as good
steep plover
gems would have the advantage of being self contained
solar kettle
Seeds are legal in IF dex just not as good
no point in seeds if there arent terrain setter abilities
median thunder
this is usable I guess
flygem is banned in ou
frigid frost
we were theory crafting gems because they are all in the game
astral yoke
U can probably get away with fusing Ambipom with Hawlucha or Hitmonlee to use Normal Gem with STAB Fake Out if you really wanna use gems with Unburden
median thunder
are they getting unbanned
odd kiln
fake out 🤢
astral yoke
fake out 🤢
STAB fake out from a Technician Ambipom hurts alot if you're not resistant to it... fcking hate it
odd kiln
no man i go into my regen and take 20 and switch out
with all the boombursts around you have to have a normal resist anyway
hexed umbra
Every second team has a regenerator steel
rough rapids
anyone want play IF dex AG, I keep getting the same person they quit 😦
proven fjord
with all the boombursts around you have to have a normal resist anyway
a lot of the more prominant boombursts from what i've seen have been fairy as opposed to normal
frigid frost
just wait til you hear about steel type
proven fjord
i know what the steel type does im just saying
odd kiln
nuh uh
median thunder
damn showdown is already dead, we are at 3 active battles rn
probably not going 2 play unless regenerator gets banned l0l
hexed umbra
Regen is really really good, but it's also holding a lot of stuff back
frigid frost
regenerator is kinda necessary
while boomburst and espeed are around
which shoulda been banned before like
5 other things
hexed umbra
Espeed on it's own is fine imo
Boomburst yeah, get it out
hexed umbra
and V-create while we're at it, it's so annoying
Espeed relies on Pixilate and Huge Power to be broken, anything else is perfectly fine
frigid frost
no those are just the most broken versions of espeed atm lol
you'll just see new espeed variants pop up as others get banned
v create is def not ban worthy though
hexed umbra
But they won't be as powerful
V-create is just annoying, not banworthy (my fire resist sucks)
fast blade
probably not going 2 play unless regenerator gets banned l0l
It's not that great
It's not like game breaking
hexed umbra
No it really is
But it's needed
Shoutouts to Anaconj's quadruple(?) Regenerator team I hate it so much
fast blade
Has a pokemon with regenerator ever gotten banned from OU for being too strong?
Not that I'm aware of
median thunder
recovery moves just gota nerfed to 5 base pp
hexed umbra
There are MUCH better regenerators in this tier
And you can stack multiple with very low downsides, unlike OU
fast blade
"have any stallmons been banned from ou"
That wasn't the question
hexed umbra
Smogon loves stall 😔
frigid frost
espeed and boomburst are definitely the bigger problems atm tbh
fast blade
Even then giscor is the only one
frigid frost
Even then giscor is the only one
this is definitely not true
hexed umbra
Gliscor, Mega Sableye
median thunder
regenerator got a % regen nerf in gen 9 as well
it's like
ur asking the wrong thing
hexed umbra
I wish it did
frigid frost
i dont
median thunder
mb
hexed umbra
Game Freak only balances around doubles
median thunder
i remember ppl saying it did at start of gen
median thunder
its fine and every pokemon with it is fairly balanced
lol
frigid frost
atm
frigid frost
yes
hexed umbra
Regenerator is (nearly) the sole reason for draws
willow cipher
If you have regenerator your also giving up a potential other ability like magic bounce which might just be better
hexed umbra
If you have regenerator your also giving up a potential other ability like magic...
Regenerator is a top 5 ability (not including dumb signature abilities)
median thunder
if regenerator werent insane in fusion you wouldnt see every stall team have 2+ regenerator mons
ur spinner has regen
hexed umbra
Regenerator, Magic Guard, Magic Bounce, the weather setting abilities (not ordered)
median thunder
ur knock off/hazard setter
willow cipher
Regenerator is a top 5 ability (not including dumb signature abilities)
I would not go that far
willow cipher
Regenerator, Magic Guard, Magic Bounce, the weather setting abilities (not order...
Molt breaker levitate intimidate sheer force
willow cipher
Levitate is not top5
Idk what your top 5 is based on
median thunder
If you have regenerator your also giving up a potential other ability like magic...
there are no better abilities for stall that unaware and regenerator
and u can give it to all ur mons
thick axle
Molt breaker levitate intimidate sheer force
The only one I agree with you is sheer force, at least in IF
frigid frost
magic bounce also sucks in if
hexed umbra
Sheer force is only good on some mons, literally anything could abuse regenerator
willow cipher
Magic bouncec is better than regenrator
fast blade
Gliscor, Mega Sableye
Sableye was largely about magic bounce rather than just being a wall, but even then your only other example was 10 years ago
frigid frost
are all kinda ass
fast blade
Not regenerator
odd kiln
huge power (technically not signature) regen mg ph bounce
hexed umbra
Rip Toucannon
odd kiln
i forgot fc bc thats not technically sig either
fast blade
nuh uh
I can't even imagine someone beating your team. Have you ever lost???
It's like impossible
thick axle
Magic bouncec is better than regenrator
In paper it is, in IF, not so much, espeon is great offensively, but most of the time you want a magic bounce user to be more defensive, and Xatu stats suck
odd kiln
once i dcd
hexed umbra
I can't even imagine someone beating your team. Have you ever lost???
I beat someone else using the same team, does that count?
frigid frost
i think adaptability is better than bounce
willow cipher
Oh protean but i gues thats just nationaldex
frigid frost
at least as far as if goes
hexed umbra
In IF there's only 1 magic bouncer, espeon is very mid
thick axle
Protean kecleon meta when
Rip the guy running an all kecleon team 
willow cipher
Adaptability is great to
thick axle
In IF there's only 1 magic bouncer, espeon is very mid
We don't talk about Xatu
willow cipher
Regenerator is annoying but not top 5
median thunder
Oh protean but i gues thats just nationaldex
kecleon has technically
median thunder
In IF there's only 1 magic bouncer, espeon is very mid
theres xatu
frigid frost
idk i think in if you have to take the quality of the pokemon into account as well and bounce has extremely shit mons
and regenerator has great users
fast blade
once i dcd
So that's a no then lol
hexed umbra
Good pokemon with regenerator: Toxapex, Slowbro x2, Slowking x2, Mienshao, Tangrowth, LC Mienfoo
Bad pokemom with regen: Corsola
thick axle
Adaptability is great to
Yeah it is, a shame we only have one usable adapability user in OU, which while Porygon Z is great, it's not a great mon for physical adaptability sets
hexed umbra
I meant in the main series
frigid frost
oic
median thunder
Yeah it is, a shame we only have one usable adapability user in OU, which while ...
also
are heavy duty boots really not ingame
frigid frost
Yeah it is, a shame we only have one usable adapability user in OU, which while ...
its fine
thick axle
Nope, gen 8 
hexed umbra
They aren't in gen7
frigid frost
u can use adaptability dragonite as an example
thick axle
A lot of mons are held back by heavy duty boots not being in game
hexed umbra
Dragonite fusions would go crazy
thick axle
Specially zapmolticuno
willow cipher
With heavy duty boots gale wings would be awesome
median thunder
Specially zapmolticuno <:heehee:945800365457149992>
would be playable at the very least
odd kiln
mukuno (real mon) and encuno (real mon) would finally be good
hexed umbra
Talonflame isn't that good
frigid frost
braver than i
median thunder
hurricane is tho
frigid frost
talonflame is mostly just very niche
median thunder
bravebird is
frigid frost
u can also do galewings oblivion wing
hexed umbra
Brave Bird removes gale wings
odd kiln
bb gale wings 
median thunder
is it nerfed gale wings?
odd kiln
most offensive mons have to have a boosting or stallbreaking abil to be good
thick axle
u can also do galewings oblivion wing
Galewings hurricane on a rain team when
I think I saw at least one person use it on #showdown-teambuilding
frigid frost
i was using that
odd kiln
all the chandelure jolteon stuff just isnt good
frigid frost
lol
frigid frost
galewings hurricane is pretty fun
hexed umbra
Every time I see a jolteon fusion I wall it with my regenerator water type weak to electric
frigid frost
the people playing chandelure jolteon feel like they are in
a different meta from me
lol
thick axle
the people playing chandelure jolteon feel like they are in
What does it do? Just spam high damage volt switch?
hexed umbra
"High damage" yes
frigid frost
but yes more or less
ghost and electric are both good stabs
and it has very high speed + good spatk
tbh i feel like
fast blade
It's fast and has high SpA
hexed umbra
Kyurem seems to be strangely decent?
fast blade
But bro just run Porygon/Jolteon instead you get way more damage, are faster, and only have 2 weaknesses
odd kiln
not much else
hexed umbra
I fought a bulky offensive with recover one and it was really annoying to switch around
odd kiln
walled by grass steel
hexed umbra
And Regen steel + normal
frigid frost
havent thought about normal laddering a lot lately
fast blade
It hits ridiculously harder than chandelure/Jolteon
odd kiln
which
frigid frost
i dont even play anything thats getting banned
it just feels like
so out of touch
to me
flint kayak
There aren’t that many bans tho?
hexed umbra
You have never played BH i see
flint kayak
Okay spore makes sense
median thunder
bh?
hexed umbra
Balanced hackmons
frigid frost
You have never played BH i see
i played vs someone playing wobbufet + ditto
i just played like they had an imposter mon
willow cipher
trapinch has 3 good abilities and higher atk than flygon which is kinda funny
flint kayak
Dib getting banned was good
hexed umbra
Ditto is best played with Eviolite
frigid frost
that
flint kayak
That move was annoying
hexed umbra
It becomes really stupid
hexed umbra
You run it with an NFE
odd kiln
if its munchlax ditto it does
frigid frost
does it?
hexed umbra
YES
frigid frost
that doesnt really make sense but i take ur word for it
hexed umbra
You can switch into a bulky pokemon, copy it and you get the eviolite boost on top of the bulk
frigid frost
i just assumed ud take the rules of the pokemon u transformed into
for evolutions sake
hexed umbra
BH in regular smogon has Eviolite Imposter Chansey
Spore wasn't that common due to poison heal [200 fusions] but it was only a matter of time before something was found
frigid frost
but anyways yea idk my opinion kinda remains on it lol
on both spore and imposter
if u play + build well u can nullify a lot of the advantage gained from both
odd kiln
imp has a greater effect on def mons imo
hexed umbra
Imposter proofing is difficult without access to moves like Judgement
Has anyone found a good Oricorio fusion? It seems like a fun gimmick
frigid frost
oricorio doesnt have qd in this game
so its like
not that great as a fusion fodder imo
only really offers rev dance which is not super crazy
hexed umbra
Oh right
median thunder
does it hit twice or anything
frigid frost
rev dance matches ur primary typing
its not like amazing but
u could get flying as a primary typing? ig
median thunder
so it's only good in doubles 😭
fast blade
@odd kiln I only had one contingency plan for wonder guard which is apparently not enough. My Arceus/Haxorus has Mold Breaker+Dual chop which invalidates wonder guard and their sashes, but otherwise my team doesn't have anything inherently that wins aside from just having the ONE type that hits through the wonder guard which in that case is my only fire type
bronze sail
Do most people here play singles or doubles?
slender abyss
It's still extremely annoying
white oar
and so is boomburst
either just
have a better espeed
porygon-z and dragonite breaks through them easily
or just have a good defensive steel type
it can barely live anything anyways
I mean 76 defense and 60 sp.defense
with 63 hp
fast blade
Doesn't rock resist too?
opal fiber
Frogman has plans to make Meloetta Pirouette its own slot rather than a battle form
Meaning we can use it right off the bat like Oricorio or Lycanroc
How will this affect the OU metagame
opal fiber
Mega Lopunny was OU only tbf 
sullen ore
Natdex hisui decidueye/meloetta piroutte
Serene grace triple arrows
Or sneasler/meloetta dire claw if sneas didnt get banned i dont know if they keep parity with smogon stuff
fast blade
Does whirlpool/infestation/etc work on wonder guard?
opal fiber
Or sneasler/meloetta dire claw if sneas didnt get banned i dont know if they kee...
So would it only poison then
sullen ore
It's 50% to do any of the effects randomly
So it can pick any
opal fiber
I feel like it would have a priority on what takes effect first
So like if poison 50/50 doesn't trigger it checks for Para 50/50
And if that doesn't trigger then it checks for Sleep 50/50
Or smth
sullen ore
Everything ive seen says the chances are even
hexed umbra
If dire claw is used against a poison/electric type does it have a 50% chance to sleep?
opal fiber
I'm probably thinking from a Game Dev perspective too much
opal fiber
If dire claw is used against a poison/electric type does it have a 50% chance to...
Probably
Toxtricity fans when I hit them with the off-brand spore
odd kiln
Natdex hisui decidueye/meloetta piroutte
Serene grace triple arrows <:heehee:945...
cant fuse with piruoette
odd kiln
I feel like it would have a priority on what takes effect first
it doesnt it just randomly picks one and if it doesnt work it doesnt work
opal fiber
cant fuse with piruoette
Frogman says he might make Pirouette its own separate slot
So we can make things like Aria/Pirouette fusions
odd kiln
right
opal fiber
Rn you just have to use Relic Song for it
tiny wadi
Anyone having any issues with the Showdown player rn? I was doing fine earlier today but then sometime in the afternoon it just stopped showing sprites and won't let me log in.
The logo in the corner also won't show up, and there's an eternal loading bar where my name should be.
deft oasis
Frogman says he might make Pirouette its own separate slot
oh wow that would actually be pretty crazy if true, it has an attack stat just 2 points short of Breloom/Machamp, and a speed stat that's a whopping 10 points faster than even Hawlucha; it would instantly be the single best Fighting fusion by far
hexed umbra
That first battle was a slaughter
frigid frost
yeah i noticed he didnt have a good ground resist
well
any ground resist
😂
and i figured i could just win if he tried to set hazards
hexed umbra
This doesnt seem to work
hexed umbra
It moves me to different places each time
frigid frost
we just drafted 24 pokemon, and can only fuse within those 24, if you win with a...
rules
hexed umbra
Thats just discord for ya
frigid frost
drafts just slightly below it
im also not getting pulled all the way up to the original message so you may have to scroll a bit
but you can at least see most of the original message
hexed umbra
I just searched for it with search
If theres another draft in the future could I join? It seems like fun
frigid frost
i'll talk to the others about it, they're just friends from my local fighting game community
id also be willing to do it again with a group of people here tbh, it's easy enough to set up
median thunder
https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=simplecatenjoyer-tronnerbonner-17011214771...
why does starmie forretress get dd lmaoooo
odd kiln
you fell for the illusion
median thunder
id also be willing to do it again with a group of people here tbh, it's easy eno...
im down
would be fun
frigid frost
😏
my immaculate zoroark play fools all
it was really funny hearing everyone in my vc
thinking that somehow jirachi + hydreigon just had enough attack to be doing this
until the illusion broke
frigid frost
im down
🫡 if we got one more person i'd 100% be down to run it! 4 people with 24 pokemon seems to be the best i could think of for numbers, at least for the specific way we're doing it
if dex is not super large so
you start looking at some real shitmons to draft after a while LOL
median thunder
that's chill owo
frigid frost
if anyone else is interested, just feel free to @ or dm me
hexed umbra
you start looking at some real shitmons to draft after a while LOL
Good, that's part of the fun for draft
hoary dune
I'd be down
fast blade
We gotta start like advertising this showdown or something there's like 6 active players unfortunately
warped veldt
Quick, get Finchinator in the server!
fast blade
Quick, get Finchinator in the server!
Who's that
drifting kite
Who's that
He's a member of the OU council. Basically, he helps decide what the rules should be.
steep plover
message for mkap
solar kettle
He's a member of the OU council. Basically, he helps decide what the rules shoul...
not just a member of the council, hes the straight up tier leader
tribal trellis
also when the randbats is complete there will probably be more
atleast in showdown i think it's the most played mode
solar kettle
Idk why randbats is so popular tbh, the sets and teams u get are usually incoherent at best
Battle factory is just randbats but better
oblique silo
Who's that
all i remember is he got 6-0'd by a kyurem and tilted super hard over it
tribal trellis
Idk why randbats is so popular tbh, the sets and teams u get are usually incoher...
i mean that's a part of what makes it fun for some people, you know it being pretty random. but having skill expression still matters a lot
also a part of the no building the team before and balancing is really nice for a new player
and it can get them into building a team
solar kettle
also a part of the no building the team before and balancing is really nice for ...
this is something battle factory has too tho
tribal trellis
this is something battle factory has too tho
yes
but it's like it's unwanted to be popular by showdown
you need to search for it
random is the first thing you have
you don't even have to search for another mode and you can just get into the randbats
which is a big part of it being popular for sure
but it's also how easy it is to get into
even tho it is random
which makes it fun
frigid frost
I'd be down
almost missed this, but sounds good, i'll add you and @hexed umbra then so we can figure out a time that works best for everyone 🫡
solar kettle
almost missed this, but sounds good, i'll add you and <@620180838096699402> then...
o, theres a draft league happening?
is there still a spot open?
frigid frost
id like an even number of people, so if we get another after you, sure! theres time to figure out a +1 anyhow
so again, if anyone wants in, dm or @ away 🫡
hoary dune
Ngl, I have no clue how a draft leauge works
But I do greatly enjoy the competitive side of Pokemon IF as of now
solar kettle
Ngl, I have no clue how a draft leauge works
basically every mon gets a point value assigned to it and u pick a team of mons with ur budget that youll use for the whole tournament
the team being not a normal pokemon team but like 8 or 10 mons or so
frigid frost
i do not have a point value system readily available btw, if really wanted i could figure out one beforehand but because of how if works its a little difficult
solar kettle
u just gotta put all the mons into tiers, no?
to make sure nothings too broken just highball mons strengths a little and it should prolly be fine
frigid frost
for the draft league im currently doing we just drafted a number of pokemon and can only fuse within the pokemon used, and to prevent abuse of particularly broken fusions when you win vs someone all the fusions used cant be used again
but yea, i can prooobably get a point buy system done sometime today regardless
solar kettle
for the draft league im currently doing we just drafted a number of pokemon and ...
just draft noivern and 20 normal types innit
frigid frost
down for doing whatever people prefer, i know in draft leagues ive done previously people havent been fans of point buy systems, the one im currently doing was just because my friends wanted to get it done immediately lol
solar kettle
In the draft leagues Ive played point buy worked quite well tbh
frigid frost
im also a fan of point buy
if its okay with you, i can just send you a rough draft for a point buy system later today and let me know what you think. always better to have two sets of eyes on it anyhow
solar kettle
sure
just noticed that apparently in 1 of my former drafts I managed to get this team together somehow
frigid frost
wtf LOL
solar kettle
dunno how they let me have incin+lando+char y sun in a doubles draft
hoary dune
Okay so we'd never be able to use the same fusion twice with all of our selected pokemon? Thats actually really cool
solar kettle
that should help with a problem I ran into with the previous draft leagues I played where the more casual players would just bring 1 team every time
frigid frost
yeah that was also the idea, if you lose then you still could refine the ideas you have, but if you win then you gotta use new ideas, also adds like, a rubber banding mechanic of if you win too much then youre stuck with shittier fusions vs people with their better fusions which is kinda funny
solar kettle
o its only if u win, Ig that works as a comeback mechanic, Id have just done it for everything for maximum fusion diversity
frigid frost
again im down to do whatever, i will leave it up to what people prefer
hoary dune
I'm down for either
thick axle
so again, if anyone wants in, dm or @ away 🫡
I would love to participate on a draft league, specially an IF one, it sounds so fun
frigid frost
excellent, just waiting on dusk to accept my friend request and we can figure things out then!
sullen ore
Id be down for this
I like draft leagues and now i can join a format i have played like 10 games in
vivid junco
id like an even number of people, so if we get another after you, sure! theres t...
Do you have a doc made?
pure breach
PIF official league when 
hoary dune
Good question
frigid frost
Id be down for this
I like draft leagues and now i can join a format i have play...
sure, id be down for at most 8 people, so if we get 1 more thatd be tight
frigid frost
Do you have a doc made?
not 100% sure what you mean but the answer is no, i dont have any docs lol
frigid frost
nope, did mention id have to work on that later
vivid junco
Ah ok didn't read all the 200 messages since ive last been here lol
frigid frost
the draft league im currently in was just "draft 24 pokemon who cares about power level" lol
vivid junco
Ah ok you able to go to dm's
pure breach
based
vivid junco
It is based
frigid frost
based
with a meta as fresh and difficult to understand as this one it feels fine to just say fuck points pick what you want ngl LOL
frigid frost
Ah ok you able to go to dm's
sorry not 100% sure i understand what you mean, if youre just asking to dm me feel free