pif-hoenn-discussion

[fringe forge]

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[slim otter]

Boy, I should actually catch up with the chat here since the latest dev update was put out

[thick cave]

Yo when this game coming out? im so excited. Who do I gotta pay to expedite it lol

[inland jewel]

can't pay anyone to expidite it sadly, however you can make some fusions/dex entries for the Hoenn mons to make it a more complete experience for when it does come out

[full bison]

Paying someone for making PIF Hoenn happen faster would most likely just end with Nintendo throwing a lightning bolt at it

[tender latch]

https://tenor.com/view/hang-first-time-smiles-gif-14991372

[proud lion]

The Phicsmas Phenomenon

[slim otter]

https://tenor.com/view/celebi-nintendo-fangame-pokémon-pokemon-gif-24609454

[lucid oar]

what if i throw a lightning bolt right back at nintendo and threaten their entire executive branch with death if they take pifh away from me

is that going a little too far

[atomic hornet]

Owww

[lyric dirge]

wait who is the champion for pif hoenn? steven? wallace? both? OG gen 3 player character??

[hushed axle]

||Youngster Joey|| obviously

[lyric dirge]

omg

[trail hull]

Im gonna miss these once it’s out

But it will also be so wholesome for the first week or two like: is pifh out? Yes it’s out

[quaint yarrow]

I can't wait for the Tony Hawks Pro Skater portion of the game. It's a 3D segment (mandatory) where you must score enough points to proceed.

[spice jolt]

is PIF Hoenn kill?

doctos please

[wicked heath]

Demo is coming out this year

[dense cosmos]

Hoenn does not kill anyone.
It is a peaceful region with no questionable dangerous factions.

[uncut tangle]

There is no war in ba sing se Hoenn

[proud lion]

Then who was fone ?

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[prime dust]

Bill

https://tenor.com/view/bill-cipher-gif-18310156925370313416

[real falcon]

Is IFHoenn a sequel or a prequel?

[trail hull]

I was about to pin you because the question looked a lot like what we would usually pin react but that’s actually a good question

[prime dust]

technically speaking it is a sequel, though I believe frog said it is happening at about the same time

[craggy nexus]

well it doesnt matter a lot but oficially rse take place at the same time as gold and silver and if takes place in red green so it would be a sequel

[trail hull]

It would be funny if you climb spear pillar to get rayquaza to save hoenn only for you yo have to track down the og protagonist

[prime dust]

pif already takes place chronologically between gens 1 and 2

[craggy nexus]

it takes place during gen 1 with the exeption of the last figth where paldiatina sends you 3 years to the future

[prime dust]

but as stated before, i believe its been noted PIFH is happening roughly at the same time as the main game

[full bison]

Talking to the gym guy at Goldenrod before the postgame hints that Norman was the gym leader there and recently moved to Hoenn, so that's probably a good point to place it

[prime dust]

he moved ahead of his family by a bit, so yeah, that'd roughly place the time table of PIFH either just as PIF is ending, or slightly after

[dusk narwhal]

Is this for people who don’t wanna spoil the game for others?

[inland jewel]

more for containing the discussions instead of it being all over the server

[dusk narwhal]

Fair enough

[prime dust]

also can't really spoil stuff that isn't even out yet

plus frog makes semi regular posts over in #dev-updates

[viscid fossil]

spoiler alert: Scott dies

[dusk narwhal]

Who’s Scott

[viscid fossil]

the guy from emerald who periodically shows up, says something vague about how strong you are as a trainer, and leaves

[dusk narwhal]

I still don’t know who that is-

[rancid nymph]

And runs the battle frontier

[dense cosmos]

Spoiler: ||wally has a gardevoir gallade fusion||

[trail hull]

their might be sprite error can you show it please?

[quaint yarrow]

Spoiler: ||You get to choose 1 Pokémon out of 3||

[silent jay]

have we gotten any sort of updates on the release date for this?

[warm skiff]

its never releasing because i ate the files the game was on sorry

[trail hull]

unfair I was saving them to eat it for later

[obsidian vapor]

It's kind of a crime that Volbeat and Illumise aren't fairy types

Next to Celebi, they're the most obviously fairy-like Pokemon.

[rancid nymph]

Forget being fairy type, it’s a crime that they’re not flying type

[obsidian vapor]

I dunno, I don't think everything with wings needs to be flying type. They've got such stubby little wings

pretty typical for bug types

[rancid nymph]

I would not call those wings stubby, and they’ve been shown being able to fly

[obsidian vapor]

Just because they can fly doesn't mean they can wing-attack and fire off Gusts

[velvet root]

HARD agree

[obsidian vapor]

I just remember Moonlight being an iconic move of theirs—basically the only thing I remember about them

kinda funny that I only realized just now they're meant to be fireflies, and not just fairies

[slim otter]

Their sig move was Tail Glow, though

[obsidian vapor]

I'm excited to try their fusions nonetheless

Looking forward to a lot with Hoenn, honestly. Infinite Fusion is already so dense with content, and seeing the region I'm most familiar with given a similar treatment will be incredible

But the overworld encounter stuff is also really cool. Reminds me of some RPG Maker games like Omori, where the enemies actually present a physical obstacle rather than just being a random encounter

Now I'll actually have a reason to play the game at regular speed

[trail hull]

I'm having way too much fun making custom battle ui

[obsidian vapor]

If I wasn't occupied with my own projects, I'd love to get back around to contributing sprites again

[wicked heath]

PIF Hoenn will release on a random Tuesday

[sacred pagoda]

But that tuesday is not today

[sterile spoke]

That's brilliant, I love it. ❤️

[trail hull]

Thank you 😊

[viscid wren]

What did it taste like?

[warm skiff]

that's spoilers

[viscid wren]

Dang, my plans are foiled

[swift acorn]

willl the demo only be to a certain point like from home town to the first or second gym?v

[viscid wren]

Ive heard people say its gonna be to slateport

[swift acorn]

hmm ok cool o:

[tender latch]

Damn that’s a lot of content.

[sacred pagoda]

To the rival fight just past Slateport

[dense cosmos]

Do we get to fight rival or does rival just tell us thank you for playing the demo?

[sacred pagoda]

You fight the rival and the godly voice of Arceus is like "Alright this is where the demo ends" /j (It's just game text lol)

[full bison]

Ending at that rival fight seems fitting, considering I remember that fight being a huge filter for young fans

[sacred pagoda]

When we first started bugtesting Firesword found out there were no barriers on the edge of the path and you could escape the demo area. Frog fixed it of c but it was still funny

[rancid nymph]

What happend if you escaped the demo area?

[molten loom]

Nothing, there wasn't much beyond it besides the rest of the route

[sacred pagoda]

Yeah there wasn't much it was just funny

Blocked by the barrier of not having the next map just like how the route to Olivine is gone in PIF1

[prime dust]

lame

frog should have had a secret boss triple battle of triples

[full bison]

Can't wait for all the pin attacks we will have to inflict on people asking how they get to Mauville

[uncut tangle]

I can't wait for this. All the Emerald memories are flooding back

[gray stream]

it’s the elemental monkeys and if you defeat them you can find and catch them like you do with the other triple fusion boss

oh wait did you mean three triple fusions in one battle. because if so he could also add wormadam and basculin (first gen 8 mon)

It would be so awesome…

[full bison]

Wormalgam, take it or leave it

[viscid wren]

I was about to say basculin isnt a gen 8 mon but I realized they meant all 3 basculin

[uncut tangle]

A triple fusion of the elemonkeys ambushing you for walking off course is peak trolling/ game design

[undone stirrup]

Does Basculin even have a difference besides one has evolution

[hexed agate]

Wait, Wormadam?

Finally, something I can support

[long umbra]

different abilities too

[undone stirrup]

Looked up and also a single move difference on level up learn set (final gambit/uproar)

Might as well be added as a single pokemon with multiple sprite and ability options and

[viscid fossil]

on one hand it would be funny but we have enough people asking how to evolve their kantonian farfetch'd as it is

[undone stirrup]

Wild but then again why would someone use Farfetchd outside of galar and why it don't evolve outside of Galar

[inland jewel]

each of the 3 have different abilities

sadly the abilities slots in Pokemon are 3, so you can't give a pokemon the option to have 5 abilities

the way that one fangame does it is that the pokemon itself has the 3 abilities hard-coded into them, with the one you can switch as the ability slots

[undone stirrup]

So ability change items only change in between other part of fusion in PIF?

Because a fusion could technically have 6 different abilities

[inland jewel]

That because its a fusion,

An unfused Basuclin cannot have 5 abilities

due to the code

a basculin/basculin fusion can though

[inland jewel]

but yes

[atomic hornet]

I kinda wanna incorporate this somehow for the end of the demo

+30BGHVIK<>

[inland jewel]

have it so that when you reach the construction people blocking the way , talking to one of them fades to black and you're in front of the TV in your home with your mom who says that line

and then teleports them to the Slateport pokemon center, because Capt Briny will still be there and the player won't be softlocked from going there

[maiden echo]

huh wait you can play the demo of pokemon infinite fusion hoenn how? I did not know that, i guess i was to focus on pokemon infinite fusion to complet the pokedex

[slim otter]

Is this another secret hint

[proud lion]

Do it.

[inland jewel]

only staff can play it early, since they're bugtesting it right now before public release

[atomic hornet]

my cat thought it would be a great idea to lay on the keyboard, I didnt even notice he sent something

[inland jewel]

no one in the public can get in

[molten loom]

word of wisdom from the cat

[maiden echo]

oh i see thank for the information

[inland jewel]

you better do an easter egg wtih a cat pokemon who says taht string of words

[slim otter]

The cat is requesting Glameow for pifh

[dense cosmos]

But will frog give what the cat wants

[atomic hornet]

Haha he's not nearly as graceful as glameow, he's got a big heart, but no braincells

[gray stream]

True and peak

[slim otter]

Where Glameow goes, Purugly follows

https://tenor.com/view/musashi-bunyatto-hide-fasten-belly-gif-25745828

[proud lion]

https://tenor.com/view/purugly-pokemon-purugly-pokemon-cat-cute-gif-12254553185440870162

[inland jewel]

if Purugly gets into the game they will be my first Pokefan role

[velvet root]

Same with Gogoat for me

https://tenor.com/view/gogoat-pokemon-grass-goat-bharal-gif-26484000

[full bison]

I'm not gonna hold my breath for mine

[full bison]

Pin the dog

[wide merlin]

what is the pokémon with water type who are not in Pokémon infinite fusion but with a chance to come in Pokémon infinite fusion Hoenn ?

[pale sparrow]

Shellos

[hushed axle]

I feel like there are a lot more water types eligible for hoenn than shellos

-# Like who remembers “frillish” being in the encounters list as “todo”?

[prime dust]

especially if we expand the definition of a phmisch

[sacred pagoda]

Is Frillish getting added?

[hushed axle]

Frog said no. People don’t believe him

Lemme find link

#pif-hoenn-discussion message

[sacred pagoda]

Frog should let it be added. We could get fun fusions with Pokemon's frogs with it. Jellyfish Frog Hybrids

[hushed axle]

Frogs are now fish, croagunk confirmed

[craggy nexus]

honestly gastro makes more sense since it was vvery high in the last votes but yeah frill just showed up in there like

[craggy nexus]

well taxonomically speaking every tetrapod is fish

[molten loom]

https://tenor.com/view/jfk-clone-high-i-like-your-funny-words-magic-man-jack-black-gif-18659433

[flint tiger]

pachirisu ain’t getting in

[craggy nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/magicman-magic-gif-16943382242873150733

[craggy nexus]

hopefully not tbh is kinda boring for both body n face

[flint tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/magic-man-gif-25325565

[flint tiger]

but it’s like the perfect Pikachu clone

well

I don’t think I can find something that I dislike about pachirisu

also there’s a chance of the reason why I like it so much is because Gen IV was my first game

[atomic hornet]

Can confirm that frillish is not in the demo, 100%

[wispy notch]

Is Skitty?

[atomic hornet]

Yes skitty is in the game, All hoenn pokemon that were not previously in PIF will be in hoenn

[dense cosmos]

If it isn't in the demo, then is it safe to swim at the beach?
-# as I typed this, I remembered sharpedo is a thing, so probably isn't safe at the beach...

[atomic hornet]

probably not

[hushed axle]

To be fair, that doesn’t mean they’re in the demo

[atomic hornet]

You know what.... that's a really good point yes skitty is in the demo

[dense cosmos]

But only skitty

[wispy notch]

Can the demo trade with the first game? Or do I have to wait for the full game to be able to have Skitty in Kanto?

[hushed axle]

Iirc frog had planned on the transfer box being in the demo which would make me assume it’d be added to PIF 1 shortly after (if not same day)

I do wonder if he’s gonna make it inaccessible until the end of the demo tho

[prime dust]

likely a smarter idea to put that in later

[atomic hornet]

There will be a transfer box in the pc that will allow "trading" between the two games, however the plan currently is to make it live a month or two after the demo release

To be clear, using this feature between hoenn saves will be available right away upon unlocking the transfer box, but pif 1 will not be available

[dense cosmos]

We will be flooded with questions asking why they cannot transfer pokemon for maybe a few months.
(Along with why they can't take a ship in Kanto to hoenn)

[atomic hornet]

Let them suffer

[hushed axle]

"I beat the E4, how do I go to Hoenn?"

[atomic hornet]

Yeppppppp

Actually, let me see about adding in game dialogue for that event that mentions "reaching our friends in Kanto and Johto isn't possible right now" or something

[inland jewel]

you see, saying "reaching our friends" will have people interpret it as trading between players via wifi

maybe. "You cannot connect to your Kanto self at the moment."

and then a blurb or soemthing about how this box is ONLY for same local device, and not different devices

can't imagine the amount of peopel asking how to get boots in the demo is going to be

[full bison]

"How am I supposed to get to Mauville for the next badge?"

[analog belfry]

"some mysterious meteorite landed in the waters between the sevii islands and hoenn, the international police have launched a full-on investigation into it, so those are waters commercial boats arent allowed to tread right now"
or something along those lines

[atomic hornet]

Haha all taken care of. After a lore remark about it, there is red 4th wall breaking text saying that the feature is planned for a future update

[inland jewel]

Make sure to mention again its not player to player trading

[steady solstice]

Once trading between saves is implemented in a future update, will Hoenn Pokémon be obtainable in PIF1 randomizers? 👀

[inland jewel]

from waht i heard, once the demo goes live, the hoenn mon will just be in the PIf 1 randomizer

no need to wait for the transfer box

[steady solstice]

Extremely exciting news! Can’t wait to see my Swellow/Rapidash in-game

[analog belfry]

whose gonna grind the randomizer to get a box full of all the demo mons for NG+ day 1

[atomic hornet]

Transfer box is disabled in randomized mode

[inland jewel]

it isn't in ng+

or is it

[atomic hornet]

oh I misread! My bad. Hoenn pokemon will not be available in randomized mode until the transfer box update

Pif1 will not be have any update when the demo releases

[analog belfry]

that makes more sense

[inland jewel]

yee, what i heard was from early on in dev anyway

[atomic hornet]

Its not abandoned or anything, I hope I didnt make it sound like that there just wont be an update right away. There are QoL changes from hoenn that we plan on implementing in pif1

[inland jewel]

i understand you Paya.
what I meant was that the info i heard of "Demo release = Hoenn mons in randomizer" was from when you did the demo showcase stream, and Q&A

since the plan at the time was allow people to play the demo but also have hoenn mon in Kanto

since i think the specific saying was. "While you cannot find the hoenn mon in the wild in Kanto, you'll still get them via randomizer"

[atomic hornet]

Ahh I see, Frog changed his mind on that recently, he wants people to savor hoenn for a bit before allowing any of it in kanto

I'm sorry about that 🙁

[uncut tangle]

I wouldn't be surprised if some players sink 40 hours just into the demo to make sure they see every easter egg. Plenty to savor in new content.

[atomic hornet]

It's also because we want to make sure the change doesn't break Kanto. It wouldn't be smart to do QA for both games at the same time

[analog belfry]

i wouldnt blame the team for wanting to fully iron hoenn out before worry about backporting mons at all, in case that causes any snafus that would need to be addressed at the same time

[uncut tangle]

The good news about it taking several more years months to complete the rest of Hoenn following the demo, is that means plenty of time to work out any interactive bugs between Hoenn and Kanto before full release

Although, in a practical release, there will still be entirely different interactions to worry about upon full release regardless.

[atomic hornet]

several more months to complete the rest of hoenn? It took a year to get this far and for real we need a break and slow down development to focus on irl jobs. It's going to take a while for the rest of hoenn, but it'll happen

[molten loom]

Can also confirm, I made tube cat with it

[oblique lotus]

i just hope this doesnt pull a pokemon royal 2 where there was a planned sequal and then like 3 months after the demo came out all progress stopped and the dev dropped off the earth

[inland jewel]

can confirm, Full release of Hoenn in 2028 is becoming a reality

which is why demo 2 for 2027

[analog belfry]

with how big this community is, it'd live on regardless, i think
worst case scenario if every single dev dropped off the face of the planet, i could see people spearheading its revival

[inland jewel]

i mean, one would think, but i've seen 5 seperate Fusion projects attempt to do IF2 only for them to fade with no peep at all

and for the 6th one... well they keep promising a demo but

[oblique lotus]

ive even seen one where the dev is like the game will come out when it comes out but i dont need to give any progress updates to anyone yet when people ask for them iill say no or its being worked on

[full bison]

Full version being out after 2-3 years would be a win in my book, based on the point the demo will end and how much time it's already taken. I know you can't really rush this stuff, and already super appreciate all the work and time that was already invested

[analog belfry]

i wasnt aware of any splinter cells
i guess isnt impossible with how big IF is and recreatable its formula under the hood might be, but also might be telling ive never heard of any of them

[inland jewel]

its crazy how i see none of the "devs" for that project in this server anymore

the last i heard from them they swore they just needed another programmer to actually start anywhere

[full bison]

I feel like if you're gonna try to make offshoots of this, one of the most important things would be to let a chunk of spriters know about it. Considering that's the big reason this game became so viral

[oblique lotus]

also whenever i asked politely for that dev to make a discord to give updates they said "there is one only for active developers" imo that translates to there is no discord we just want to make it seem like its being worked on without needing to provide updates

[full bison]

The kind of relationship with prospective fans that made Silksong fans go insane for a while, i see. Bold choice

[hushed axle]

[oblique lotus]

yeah that person made some strange choices by chosing to never update anyone then when people asked for a place to recive updates to be told straight up no

[hushed axle]

There are so many bug fixes pending for PIF 1 though

[inland jewel]

like all offshoots, passion drove them thinking it'll be easy and then the reality hits that what they played was actually years upon years of dev time

[oblique lotus]

are they actuall fixes or suggestions put in a suggestion box that is actually a shreader?

[full bison]

The ugly truth of making fangames and indie games alike

[atomic hornet]

I get up for 5 minutes and the chat explodes hi

[full bison]

It's a combination of both passion and effort

[atomic hornet]

So I plan on continuing to work on this while we slow down, it's very much a project of love

[hushed axle]

Actual fixes and an extremely long-awaited feature that I can’t spoil

[inland jewel]

you can spoil youself, just look at all the bugs that people reported

[atomic hornet]

And pif1 isnt being abandoned! just dont want to QA test both games at the same time, and frog needs a break. Sadly I can only do so much, but I can at least fix graphical issues and typos in pif 1

[oblique lotus]

omg we are adding the ability to shape shift in pif?! and on a serious topic glad actual fixes are being pushed out. this game is great but the lack of motivation to actually fix any bugs that werent game breaking was so tieering to deal with

[hushed axle]

I can’t spoil the new feature, paya asked for it specifically

[atomic hornet]

I dont know how to relax, so much time was spent developing this game that it will feel wrong if I take a real break

[full bison]

Finally, PIF:Pokopia

[inland jewel]

true, you cannot find that in the bug reports

[molten loom]

You're right the bolder is being fixed, so sad to spoil it

[hushed axle]

The few bugs I remember off the top of my head are magician ability bug and a bug with the mist stone but I know there are a lot more than that

[oblique lotus]

will the new feature be revealed or will it be one of those things where once its in its in but you will have to solve some complex riddle to figure out what it is since it wont ever be told what it is or how to find it so people just have to smash their head at the wall until its found

[green laurel]

complex ridle

the hints have already gone out

[full bison]

The new feature will be obscured under 5 levels of ciphers of varying complexity

[green laurel]

and 1 layers will be really easy
liek too easy

[hushed axle]

Saying new feature might be misleading, it’s more improving on an existing feature/mechanic

Adonis helped me with it actually

[oblique lotus]

but its still something that wont just be put out there for us to find it will be told what it is once its in something everyone can access right?

[molten loom]

I have this saved, it's just such a classic

[green laurel]

i helpd wit ridles

[hushed axle]

Dunno if frog is gonna announce it or not

-# he wrote half the code

[atomic hornet]

Who knows, but once someone finds it, you will know about it

its impossible to miss

people will do a double take and post screenshots immediately especially people who have played a while

[oblique lotus]

well that sucks. id hate for something new to be in the game but then not be able to mess with it because i dont have the iq to be able to find out how to activate it. like how people had to look in the games code to figure out what the 3rd secret chaos mode badge in clash royale and how to get it

[full bison]

||One of the hints has something to do with that fusion list you keep posting, I take it?||

[molten loom]

I'm actually trying to think if it's something I know about or not

[hushed axle]

Completely unrelated

It should be in hoenn as well though since they share a codebase

[oblique lotus]

well then that means ill 100% miss it. i am the most unobservant person i know

[atomic hornet]

Nope that's something completely different. Although I'm debating on revealing it, cause the list is actually still a little longer. I just don't have the heart to make another list 🥲

[molten loom]

it being 11 pm doesn't help the thinking

[full bison]

Nah it's me, you just didn't notice

[atomic hornet]

I believe in you

[oblique lotus]

well that makes one of us which is better than not

[dense cosmos]

It's 11 pm here too.
Firesword is in the same time zone!

[oblique lotus]

omg timezone twinzies

[atomic hornet]

So.... is anyone here good at making items for tilesheets? I need an office chair so a particular npc isn't sitting on a couch. It bothers me

[dense cosmos]

A couch is an office chair

[atomic hornet]

it looks so silly, I cant even

[green laurel]

are you colorblind?

[oblique lotus]

not the last time i checked

[green laurel]

dang, nvm then

[oblique lotus]

oh lol

i will make a guess that the new "feature" is just making shiny poekmn actual shinys vs just hue shifted

[molten loom]

thats already a thing

[uncut tangle]

I thought we already did that

[oblique lotus]

idk tbh like i said im very unobservant

[uncut tangle]

That's valid, honestly

[oblique lotus]

like i "lost" my 3ds once because it was under my phone

looked for like 3 hours

[molten loom]

I would do that ngl

I've looked for my phone with my phone before

[uncut tangle]

I think at some point we've all been on a phonecall and "lost" our phones because we don't process that we're literally on it

[oblique lotus]

i mean i always love the people who prank others by texting them a pic of their phone saying they forgot it then the person whio "forgot" their phone calls to ask about it not processing they are using their phone

[hushed axle]

I think you had left the server before the new shiny system got announced

[dense cosmos]

I'm so used to glasses on my face I try pushing them back up when they aren't on my face.

[oblique lotus]

yeah i think that was durring my break from the server since i remember it being talked about becoming a thing but it musta got added before i rejoined

[uncut tangle]

I do a similar thing where I go to grab my safety glasses just to realize they're not on my head

I have phantom glasses, it always feels like they're on my head

[hushed axle]

#announcements message here’s the announcement for it

[hushed axle]

“Oh my vision is blurry, my glasses must’ve fallen a little bit”

“Oh.. I’m not wearing them”

[full bison]

I have a thing where when I drive around somewhere I keep feeling for my work hat to make sure I wore it, even when I'm not going to work

[oblique lotus]

i do a thing where sometimes i think i put something back in the same place but in reality i didnt so i think ive gotten robbed because the item isnt where i think it should be even though i didnt put it in that spot

[uncut tangle]

RIP that is so annoying

[full bison]

Habit does weird things to your brain

[oblique lotus]

you have no idea.

[uncut tangle]

It keeps things interesting for sure.

[oblique lotus]

i mean my brain is so messed up that if a food something has a little bit too much dark on it i cant eat it

[uncut tangle]

Im not sure I understand, what do you mean "a little too much dark"? Like if the lighting isnt proper?

[oblique lotus]

no like for example this image id only be able to eat up to toast 4 or 5 before i consider it burt and something i wont eat

and even 5 is pushing it

[uncut tangle]

Well I can say that people eating 8 or 9 are dangerous, thats eating brick in bread form.

5 or 6 is my preferred spot, semi-crunchy, but soft enough to tear through smoothly when biting

[oblique lotus]

my family always likes to joke to me that i dont make toast i make dehydrated bread

[uncut tangle]

Trying to form some smart alick joke here where you use fancy terms to describe simple things. Like instead of telling them you made toast, from now on you say you made twice dehydrated deconstructed wheat

And you just throw the butter on the plate

[oblique lotus]

oh i do that all the time. like instead of asking whats for dinner sometimes i ask what is being prepped as the nightly sustanance for us to consume before the slumbering of our boddies

[tender latch]

This can’t be true.

[oblique lotus]

it is true

[tender latch]

Engagement farming at its finest ain’t no way.

I’ll desist from the food talk. I’ve seen it tear servers apart for people to comment on what is undercooked and overcooked.

[quaint matrix]

Have you tried thrice fried fries

Apparently they're amazing

[oblique lotus]

you wish it was lol

[uncut tangle]

Hmm, can't say that I have. I have home made fries before, and that is delicious

However, home made fries and chicken is so much time and work for the end result. Great meal, not doing it again any time soon.

[quaint matrix]

It's so worth it though

When I cooked fried chicken myself I usually leave em up in a day to cool at the fridge after dunking and saturating them in flour and all that stuff and then fry em

[quaint matrix]

Oh I found out why I remembered about thrice fried fries lmao

https://youtu.be/Z43tcEkIyvI

[uncut tangle]

"Yes, until it doesn't" is an apt summation.

[full bison]

If you ever wanna make good fries from scratch, the best thing you can do is let the sliced potatoes sit in cold water for a little bit

[agile olive]

There are so many steps lol

I tried making them a few times (before I was diagnosed diabetic) and I got the shoestrings down pat pretty well but I could never make particularly good crisps

[agile olive]

I just buy the store chicken tenders and put them in the air fryer

Wait why are we talking about this in here

[quaint matrix]

Oh I mean who doesn't love buying frozen nuggies/chicken tenders and then fry em up later

That's not really cooking chicken tho is it

Also WOW that is such a quick ban/removing of the bot

[undone stirrup]

anyways what triple would be added next.
Potential options: Unova Starters, Alola Starters, Swords of Justice, Original 3 of Forces of Nature, XYZ, Lunaleozma

[velvet root]

Lake trio goes brrrr

[undone stirrup]

Forgot that too

Can't really think of any other trio that is clear. Well there is always room for something like mew/celebi/Jirachi or mew2/deoxys/genesect too

[velvet root]

Elemonkeys

[velvet root]

I hope for another random one too

Idk something with Heatran or so

Oh I can see some UB triples

[undone stirrup]

Eeveelution or Kalos mythicals (Hoopcienion) can work too

[velvet root]

Eeveelutions and Tapus likely dont gets stuff

[undone stirrup]

Tapus are clear 4 but eevees kinda give trios

(Original Kanto ones or Umbreon-Espeon-Sylveon)

[velvet root]

Vicoopdow maybe

Victini+Hoopa+Marshadow

Maybe a forgotten legends trio with Heatran, Zeraora and Vulcanion

[undone stirrup]

Victini would definitely have Keldeo I feel like

[velvet root]

Wait
Swap hoopa with manaphy

Shaymin, Keldeo and Hoopa and it has a form

[undone stirrup]

Yeah that sounds smart

[velvet root]

How does Cresselia/Darkrai/Heatran sound?

Or Heatran with the Latis cuz is there another legend with gender?

[proud lion]

We need the REAL Unova starters

[uncut tangle]

Shaymin, Keldeo, Zygarde

Wait. Does Shaymin have another form? Maybe that doesn't work and Shaymin has to be replaced with Hoopa. I'm thinking a triple fusion, where all parts of the fusion are Pokemon that themselves have alternate forms.

[velvet root]

Zygard would already be with the XY legends

[uncut tangle]

Plus it means Adonis can finally slumber.

[uncut tangle]

Oh I see. Had to read up a bit, didn't catch that there was a specific theme here.

[velvet root]

Yeah
Really should make a new Zygarde for him

[sterile spoke]

Way to leave out two of the best ones. 😛

[velvet root]

Lets make a ??? Type eeveelution calles Spliceon
And that has Protein as ability
And it gets a triple with Leafeon and Glaceon

[rancid nymph]

??? Isn’t a real type

[velvet root]

It is kinda
Its complicatet iirc

Also dont take it the wrong way but I gotta write down as soon as I see you not complaining but agreeing to something

[crystal cosmos]

It is in Infinite Fusion

It is. Look at possible hidden power types in this game on the wiki https://infinitefusion.fandom.com/wiki/Differences_with_the_official_games?so=search

[velvet root]

F it
DWavil seems to just like disagreeing

[proud lion]

Shaymin has their hedgehog form and the deer-with-an-attitude form who is also voiced by Tails

https://tenor.com/view/mythical-pokemon-shaymin-sheimi-pokemon-giratina-and-the-sky-warrior-pokemon-movie-gif-27567135

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/tails-sonic-the-hedgehog-tails-the-fox-gif-3888123338821281867

[uncut tangle]

Ah yes, I knew i wasn't crazy! Thank you.

[fossil pivot]

I'm sure someone has already asked this but I haven't been active in a while, would PIF Hoenn be an update to the base game or would it be a separate game?

[sterile spoke]

Separate, IF is basically pushing the RPG Maker XP's amount of maps to its very limit, so fitting Hoenn in would just be insanity. 😅

[fossil pivot]

Makes perfect sense.

[undone stirrup]

??? Would be typeless no?

And typeless-ness can certainly happen

[sterile spoke]

Yes, typeless is basically the new name for ???. 😃

[inland jewel]

also imagine going to roxanne and she just has level 80 pokemon...

[sterile spoke]

That too, it's a good clean slate. 🙂

[inland jewel]

like in hoenn why would you ever use any of the 1st/2nd stage mons

[full bison]

Even worse, imagine reaching level 100 by like Wattson and not having any room for growth for over half the region

[sterile spoke]

Having a triple fusion of the Sinnoh legendaries is great, but have you stopped to consider replacing it with a Zigzagoon / Wurmple? 😄

[inland jewel]

only in my challenge run

[velvet root]

Ofc
Zigzaple is the goat
God ender fr fr

[inland jewel]

yep he invokes FEAR into all his opponents

[undone stirrup]

No really why Mewtwo/Deoxys/Genesect can somehow triple fuse but not Rattata-Ekans-Zubat or Wumple-Poocheyna-Zigzagoon

[inland jewel]

its explained in the lore

sounds like you didn't read

[fossil pivot]

They have to be powerful pokémon.

[undone stirrup]

Only really compatible pokemon can triple fuse. As seen in legendary and starter trios. Genesect and Mew2 has a theme. That kinda pushes Deoxys away

We are both ancient pokemon resurrected and upgraded with enhancements, with alien fren

[fossil pivot]

Deoxys' name comes from deoxyribonucleic acid, a genetic mess so to speak.

[prime dust]

also, as an added addition, frog would have no problems adding more triples, but you need to come up with a good reason for that triple existing

[inland jewel]

and have a sprite for them

[prime dust]

i mean...a lot already have sprites

[sterile spoke]

Fused Hoenn's three powerhouses together... 😉

[dense cosmos]

||i see a poochyena and zigzagoon, but what is the third one? Is it wurmple?||

[full bison]

Still surprised there's no Triple Hitmon yet. That feels like the most logical Triple fusion with the current roster

Pretty sure there's also a sprite for it floating around

[long umbra]

two tails

and the way the mouth looks

i really need to get my brain checked because i should not have such an autismo level of knowledge about random hoenn nonsense

[sterile spoke]

It's Paint not having a default colours close enough to its base palette, it's supposed to be ||Wurmple's|| body colour instead of pink. 😂

[velvet root]

Thinking about it
If the evil team wants to make a triple fusion in hoenn what would they use in the first test
Like yeah Poochyena but we have 2 teams

[long umbra]

there better be a team sky outfit in the game

[inland jewel]

where is the party hat?

[dense cosmos]

Aqua > sky
-# due to I have a fear of heights

[long umbra]

yeah i don't like heights either but i'd rather sit on a whole cactus than go into the ocean

also team sky has birb

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-michael-groth-mandjtv-mandjtv-plays-jaw-dropped-gif-26913239

[sterile spoke]

The only two lines they have in common are the Poochyena and Zubat lines. 😅

And a two-stage Mono-Poison line from Kanto, being Koffing for Magma and Grimer for Aqua. 😅

[velvet root]

Thats the problem

[sterile spoke]

So they could maybe swap those two for Gulpin. 😅

[velvet root]

Maybe Zigzagoon and Shroomish or so?

[dense cosmos]

This is part of why I'm going slow on johto evil team that isn't team rocket.
The normal type option that is early in the dex for Kanto is rattata, so naturally the johto would be sentret.
(Poison type would obviously be ariados, but who is robbing people with a furret?)

Slow as in piecing it together what they would have.
Brain is distracted tho

[prime dust]

there is

[velvet root]

Ngl why is he not a thing?

[prime dust]

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-know-gif-18174494

Hoenn might be a good place to bring him in, since it has an actual fighting gym

could easily be put into Brawly's post game rematch team

[viscid fossil]

if you combine the one that's more offensive, the one that's more defensive, and the one that's more balanced, you get... another one that's more balanced

[prime dust]

imo that might be a good way to add in a few triples

the explanation of why more exist in Hoenn is "Due to the latent energy released by Groudon, Kyorge, and Rayquaza, some unexpected phenominom has occured and new triple fusions have been spotted in the region"

now i gotta dig through the triples to find ones that would make sense to throw onto the gym rematch teams

[trail hull]

Triples becoming the new « mega evolution  » like gimmick of pifh

[full bison]

How many other triples make sense though? I know Muk/Weezing/Garbodor is a decently popular one, but other than that I'm not too familiar with other non-legend, non starter trios besides the Hitmons and monkeys

[prime dust]

monkeys lack a triple

but that is what i'm trying to figure out

hit a bit of a bump with Wattson, there's no pure electric triples

[full bison]

Maybe Pachi could be added to fuse with Plusle and Minun into a Pikaclone triple, but that's all I've got

[prime dust]

that would require pachi being added

trying to find stuff that works now

i.e., using triples where the sprite is already a thing

[sacred pagoda]

Any other Pikaclone being added to Plusle and Minun wouldn't make sense. They all have the same purpose but no other Pikaclone has a gimmick where they go with a separate one. Plusle and Minun are made to go together

[prime dust]

plus it doesn't fit wattson's motiff

roxanne, brawly and winona are the only 3 I can easily lock a triple to

flannery I have a possible choice but it doesn't 100% fit [since one mon in the fusion is dark type]

the rest of the gyms i got nothing for

then e4 is

a maybe on sydney

a lock for phoebe, drake and steven

nothing for glacia

would require more mons getting added to allow more triple sprites being created

[sacred pagoda]

P sure Wallace has something that would vibe on the same wavelength

[prime dust]

closest i found for him was this

excluded it since it just didn't make enough sense

[long umbra]

yeah that is an odd one

[sacred pagoda]

Wallace is a water type

But that looks cool haha

[prime dust]

right nvmd

brain fart

[sacred pagoda]

XD

[prime dust]

saw W and thought wattson

wallace has nothing

[long umbra]

it has the possibility of being gyarados and milotic with something else

[prime dust]

the issue is no triple currently exists with either of those 2

that is why i said we'd need more triple sprites to be created

[long umbra]

yeah

[prime dust]

not even half the boss battles in the game have a guaranteed triple

though I overlooked one and found an option for flannery

[sacred pagoda]

The problem with this is there is no other pokemon that shares their deal of being a weak fish that becomes amazing

In all 1000+ pokemon

It doesn't exist

[long umbra]

you could barely argue carvanha is a bit like that

[sacred pagoda]

Magikarp and Feebas are borderline useless. Carvanah is still decent

[long umbra]

but then again it doesn't absolutely have to be about that theme

[sacred pagoda]

What other theme could it be based on? The fact they're noodles?

Shit let's get Serperior in there then

[prime dust]

well...there is 1 other option; but unfortunately it is gen8+

[sacred pagoda]

Oh who?

[prime dust]

Finizen going into Palafin

[sacred pagoda]

Oh right

[long umbra]

serperior can work

[prime dust]

the hero form is mini goated

[sacred pagoda]

Serperior has zero connection to Milotic and Gyarados

Something looking the same doesn't make it able to triple fuse

There is actual lore to it

[long umbra]

i think the sharpedo/gyarados/milotic is the best one i can come up with

all 3 are two stage aquatic pokemon that each can represent a side of what the water type is

[sacred pagoda]

Sharpedo has a similar personality to Gyarados and a type to its mega evolution, but it shares zero similarities with Milotic

[long umbra]

sharpedo can show it's savage when it needs to be, gyarados is how powerful it gets, and milotic is the elegance of water

and now i realise i'm sounding like an english teacher god damnit

[sacred pagoda]

I think that's a bit reaching

[long umbra]

yeah like an english teacher

[sacred pagoda]

No

[hexed agate]

I think they are all fish

Fish

[long umbra]

fih

[inland jewel]

Frog is going to want a better reason than, they're all 2 stage fishes

[sacred pagoda]

Pheesh million fuse into a fusion of all the pheesh

With Magikarp as the godly center

[hexed agate]

Feebas/Magikarp/Wishiwashi triple to represent fih

[long umbra]

we don't have wishiwashi in yet i just realise

[prime dust]

likely never will

[inland jewel]

if wishiwashi could evolve then maybe

[long umbra]

wait a kentucky fried fucking minute

[sacred pagoda]

Maybe someday. But we'd need fusions for both forms of Wishiwashi like we have Minior

[long umbra]

i mean wishiwashi doesn't do it like magikarp and feebas but all three are borderline useless until a certain point

after that point they become a lot better so that works a bit better than the first idea

[inland jewel]

the thing is, Wishiwashi forces you to take the ability since the way the game codes Wishiwashi

[sacred pagoda]

I think a pokemon that could work tri fused is if they added Lunala and Solgaleo. Since there are canonical fusions of Necrozma with each of those pokemon

[long umbra]

definitely

[inland jewel]

the way its ability works is,

You start in small form, in battle it checks if your above 50% HP and level 20.

THEN it transforms you.

You cannot have bigwashi outside of battle thus you cannot fuse to keep the big form unless found in the wild

[sacred pagoda]

Imagine you have a cool Wishiwashi fusion and then boom now it's autogen

[inland jewel]

and if you fuse to remove the ability, you have a 325 bst mon iirc

[sacred pagoda]

Just like Necrozma lol

[inland jewel]

ooh wishiwashi's bst without the big form is 175...

[long umbra]

yeah it absolutely sucks without swarming

[sacred pagoda]

Rip

Though I wonder if you could pull some shenanigans to leave it in the other form.

Like you can with Minior

[long umbra]

when in doubt
w a i l o r d

[viscid fossil]

Minior works because both forms exist out of battle

[sacred pagoda]

Waillore/Wishiwashi would be sick

[viscid fossil]

Unlike wishiwashi

[sacred pagoda]

Yeah but Wishiwashi changes its form because of its ability, just like Minior

[viscid fossil]

Although you could catch one and maybe it wouldn't revert like necrozma does?

[sacred pagoda]

Mayhaps

[long umbra]

i thought minior would end up reverting to meteor when leaving battle in the original games

[sacred pagoda]

If its HP is below half it'll stay in core

Cause that's how the ability works

[inland jewel]

the best way to do that is randomizer, it spawns at the big form, and hopefully doesn't have schooling ability

[viscid fossil]

if you unfused it from there it might stay in that form

[inland jewel]

idk if schooling is what triggers it to become small

but unfusing bigwashi will give it schooling back

since its wishiwashi's only ability

the test will be when exactly does bigwashi become small washi

since the other form exists only in battle

unfortunately for Zenmanitan, Zen mode does check if your over 50% hp and will revert you back to ape form

where Schooling also checks if your at a certain HP thershhold and then turn bigwashi back into small washi

[proud lion]

If you had to rank the remaining Pokeclones to join the roster, who would you want the most to the least?

[sacred pagoda]

I think both Pachirisu and Emolga would be good

[proud lion]

For me:

1. Emolga
2. Pachurisu
3. Togedemaru
4. Dedenne

[sacred pagoda]

Togedemaru is

...

Probably my least favorite pikaclone tbh

[proud lion]

Morpeko would be in 25th place.

[proud lion]

It has Iron Barb capability

[sacred pagoda]

Thank goodness Morpeko is G8 so we'll never have to deal with it

[proud lion]

We would send Morpeko to the shadow realm. Even if they were never planned in the game.

[sacred pagoda]

So does Ferroseed

And Rough Skin has the exact same effect which Gible and Carvanha get

[proud lion]

It also has Sturdy

[inland jewel]

Pachirisu
Togedemaru
Emolga
Dedenne

is my order

[full bison]

||And I don't particularly like any of them 🙃 ||

[viscid wren]

We talking about pika clones? Emolga is the superior pikaclone

[shrewd hedge]

Nah
Mimikyu's the goat

[sacred pagoda]

Mimikyu isn't a Pikaclone

Togedemaru is Alola's Pikaclone

[dense cosmos]

Mimikyu is crying because it isn't pikaclone

[flint tiger]

it’s a pikawannabe

[sacred pagoda]

That actually is accurate lmao. Isn't the lore that it wears the costume to be more popular?

Which I find kinda funny since amongst the Pokemon community, Mimikyu is the more popular one

[flint tiger]

technically, wouldn’t it also wear the costume to protect others?

[gray vine]

depends on the community, certainly not "THE Pokemon" Community as a whole

[flint tiger]

because when you look under a mimikyu at its true form

🪦

[gray vine]

it does it to be around others. so technically but its not selfless reasons like that

im not huge on Mimikyu myself. mostly for the same reason i dont really like most mons with objects. just feels weird with how the lore reason is different from the egg

just weird for it to be born with a self made cloth. but i get you cant really do it any other way exept turn off breeding for mons with objects

another reason i kinda dislike it, is also lore reason. it very much sounds super specific like a one of a kind mon but then there are just a bunch of them and all doing the exact same thing

Spiritomb coded

[proud lion]

https://tenor.com/view/emolga-ears-ear-wiggle-electric-pikaclone-gif-10239454669925355014

[rancid nymph]

We all know the best Pikaclone is Morpeko, but sadly it can't be added to PIF

[inland jewel]

morpeko is my least favorite pikaclone imo

[rancid nymph]

https://giphy.com/gifs/ac7MA7r5IMYda

[inland jewel]

and i thought it couldn't be beaten but then Pawmi came out

[gray vine]

the baby

[flint tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/pachirisu-happy-dance-hyper-gif-25491309

[flint tiger]

tbh, if morpeko had a tail, i probably would have used it

[inland jewel]

if it didn't have hangry mode, i'd probably like it more

[rancid nymph]

That’s the reason why it’s the best pika clone

[flint tiger]

but it got no tail

[rancid nymph]

And here’s a list of all the people that care:

[flint tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-to-do-list-long-list-gif-5580267

[slim otter]

Frog said that if the elemonkeys get added we can triple fuse them

[flint tiger]

and what happens if they don't get added?

[slim otter]

I propose the triple fusion name "Pantrio"
There was an npc in Legends ZA that wanted to name some tea after all three of the monkeys, so they tell you that they name it Pantrio Tea because Pansagesearpour is too long
And it is too long. It's over the character limit for a Pokémon name

[slim otter]

We wait until they do get added

[flint tiger]

wouldn't the fusion just be the names of the pokemon?

so it'll just be simi-whatever

[slim otter]

Simisagesearpour is also over the character limit

[flint tiger]

it'll probably be called "simipour" if that is how the name is decided

simisage/simisear/simipour

[slim otter]

As far as I can tell, our best options are
Pantrio and Simitrio
or Pansaarpo or some other weird combo of two letters from each

And I think the reason we don't have a triple for the hitmons is because they're already in the same evolutionary line
You have to be able to fuse the whole evolutionary stage, and being able to triple fuse the same species opens a new door of madness

[hidden relic]

I was thinking Simipouragear if that's not also over limit

[viscid fossil]

Simiporge

Idk

[flint tiger]

simiporridge

that'll be the name

[viscid fossil]

Or maybe it's semisemi

Like regiregi

[flint tiger]

you mean like

https://tenor.com/view/truck-truck-kun-gif-16982347276694459236

[full bison]

Wormaworma Wormalgam

[crystal cosmos]

It will probably be Simisimi considering Regitrio is called Regiregi

[viscid fossil]

grandpa semi from undertale

[dense cosmos]

No, that's the isekai truck.
It's not that fusion.

[viscid fossil]

That's for gen 9 when we can fuse the starmobiles

[flint tiger]

PIF paldea coming in 2050?!

[dense cosmos]

No wonder team star leader left. Too much power in sending people to alternate worlds.

[rancid nymph]

PIF Paldea isn’t until 2248

[flint tiger]

eh, idc tbh

i didn't play SV, so i would have no idea what to do with PIF paldea

here's hoping we get PIF Sinnoh tho

not BDSP

[dense cosmos]

Because you said no, we are doing this one now

[rancid nymph]

If we do get PIF Sinnoh, there should be a BDSP mode, where the dex is super limited, the exp share is busted, TMs break and the E4 have perfect competitive Pokémon

[flint tiger]

don't forget about the character models

[dense cosmos]

They are 3d. I'm sure the spriters got this!
-# probably not

[flint tiger]

but i don't want the BDSP character models in PIF Sinnoh!

[rancid nymph]

Oh, I forgot affection being tied to friendship

[flint tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-duck-cry-sad-sad-duck-crying-duck-hq-gif-15112898992734870208

[rancid nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/then-why-did-you-ask-for-it-spongebob-pistachio-gif-26878541

Honestly though, the character models are overhated

[flint tiger]

i'm not asking for BDSP character models

[rancid nymph]

You brought them up for the BDSP mode

So now they’re happening

[flint tiger]

i ain't gonna use it

[rancid nymph]

It’s going to check to see if the computer it’s being played on belongs to you, and if it does, it’ll force you to play BDSP mode

[prime dust]

https://tenor.com/view/no-the-office-michael-scott-scream-gif-16929305

i don't want anything bdsp tied to this game series in any capacity

[flint tiger]

plays it on a school laptop instead

ha, it's owned by a school, not me

[prime dust]

also given how slow the fan game sceen is with gen 4+, i don't expect anything to happen there anytime soon

their still struggling a bit with romhacks

[flint tiger]

tbh

pif sinnoh is the best chance we got of getting pachirisu in if

https://tenor.com/view/assesment-game-of-thrones-its-hard-to-argue-with-his-assesment-gif-21580093

[rancid nymph]

It’ll also force BDSP mode on any computer that belongs to the school that you go to

[dense cosmos]

As this isn't a 3d game, we aren't getting bdsp.

[flint tiger]

i haven't been to school in years

so it's invalid

[rancid nymph]

So then how’re you gonna get a school computer

[dense cosmos]

Break in

[flint tiger]

i think i still have the 2007-ish one i was using in school

2007 macbook

[rancid nymph]

Which is yours, not the school’s

[flint tiger]

eh, got me there

https://tenor.com/view/kamen-rider-saber-kamen-rider-saber-仮面ライダーセイバー-仮面ライダー聖刃-gif-21665207

does that guy look cool?

[full bison]

Nah, there's no Pikaclone with a better chance of getting in. It's by far the most popular

Aside from the 2 that are already in ofc

[flint tiger]

am i wrong?

isn't the best chance of "insert pokemon here" getting into an Infinite Fusion game

is when an Infinite Fusion game of the region said pokemon originated

Like how PIF Alola is the best chance the Alola starters will be in an IF game

[dense cosmos]

No, for he isn't ice type.

[rancid nymph]

If the Alola starters don’t get in before PIF Alola becomes a thing I’ll be shocked

[flint tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/kamen-rider-tycoon-kamen-rider-geats-kamen-rider-henshin-desire-driver-gif-4193457890780603004

if ya want me to spam more gifs and stuff, we can move to #off-topic so we don't get smited

[prime dust]

the goal should be get alola starters in before alola seaglass becomes a thing

[flint tiger]

yeah, we need the Alola starters

Chesnaught/Incineroar gonna be so cool

[full bison]

Liquid Voice Boomburst Primarina/Noivern would be fun

[dense cosmos]

Just like pixilate boom burst, gym leaders and elite 4 will file a noise complaint.

[sacred pagoda]

Adaptability Boomburst = pro play

[eager veldt]

Been itching to go back to Hoenn.

Will there be secret bases and stuff?

[uncut tangle]

UNknown at this time. THe beta only goes to just past Slateport

[eager veldt]

Here's hopin.

Also, I know PIF is based off gen 3, but will it still have updated mechanics? Stuff like sturdy being a built in focus sash, phy/spe split, etc.

[viscid fossil]

you're saying this as if pif1 isn't also based off of gen 3

[eager veldt]

I haven't played much of pif yet, still messing around with fusions and stuff.

[eager veldt]

nito

[sacred pagoda]

Mechanics are mostly Gen 7 with a splash of gens 4 and 5

[eager veldt]

Noted

[sterile spoke]

PIF has the battle mechanics of Gen VII, not Gen III. Battles should therefore play out more like ORAS than RSE. 🙂

Like Cheeto said, it's basically Gen VII with the UI of IV and V. 😄

[shy condor]

https://tenor.com/bGKis.gif

[magic radish]

Is there a specific month in which we can speculate about the beta launch?

[spice sage]

I'm aiming for April

[prime dust]

frog releases demo on apr 1st

no one believes it is out so frog gets no info/bugs reports about demo other than from staff who have already been playing

[spice sage]

There's a part of me that really wants to do that even though it would be so dumb lol

[viscid fossil]

We're all too busy watching the Mario galaxy movie

[shy condor]

remember was a kid i played a game that released they were gonna end on 1 april

nobody believed then it ended

what im getting to: do it frog, it be very funny

[velvet root]

Not me still expecting a hidden mon

[prime dust]

what mon was it that someone found in the route encounter pool that wasn't on the list...that was actually the truth

[dusk narwhal]

Misningo should be a pokemon villian

[trail hull]

Please do , that would be so funny

[trail hull]

Sandygast and trubbish

[prime dust]

i meant for the demo

one of the staff found something extra

[trail hull]

Oh

For pifh

I didn’t know about that

[hexed agate]

Yeah, my attempts to get us Charjabug were unfruitful

[prime dust]

should have been a phmisch

that might have passed through fine

[sterile spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/charjabug-car-rumble-gif-9630811

[flint tiger]

we need this to be a minigame in pif hoenn

[prime dust]

Charjakart

[dense cosmos]

Knowing me in racing games, I will 100% crash into every wall in charjakart

[flint tiger]

and knowing me

i think i would just watch other people play the minigame, cuz ik that i don't really like racing games

the whole reason i skipped Skylanders Superchargers

[prime dust]

we'll keep the first track simple, basically nascar logic

[velvet root]

Hoenn files had apparantly something with frillish

[prime dust]

^there we go

frog could say f it and just add in the pringles jellyfish

and now you can't unsee that either

https://tenor.com/view/jellicent-pokemon-jellicent-shadow-ball-jellicent-uses-shadow-ball-gif-12579554867595421710

https://tenor.com/view/pringles-chips-chips-eating-snack-snacks-gif-12403193176112354698

you have been cursed with this knowledge

[flint tiger]

i have never used that pokemon in my unova days

[viscid wren]

Id be ok with frilish, it does have some potential atleast

[dense cosmos]

Can't curse me with knowledge if I saw the meme years ago!
-# electrode fused with it will 100% be a pringles logo

[full bison]

I mean, wasn't this the Jellicent joke from day one? Not really cursing anyone with knowledge they didn't already have

The only other Jellicent meme I saw is that one time where one made a Showdown player crash out

Jellicent would be fun to have around gameplay wise. Lots of fun to be had with bulky Cursed Body builds

[rancid nymph]

I used Jellicent in my first ever Pokémon playthrough. I need it in the game

[trail hull]

guys this is an elaborate setup to make us think that pifh is releasing on the 1st of april only for us to be april fooled and it not being released

[sacred pagoda]

I would actually laugh if Frog did that lol

Especially since it's getting close

[trail hull]

the only way to prove I'm wrong is to release it on april 1st if it doesn't then I will be right

[undone stirrup]

My internet bad

[Vikavolt gif here]

[trail hull]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-vikavolt-charjabug-gif-9816156

did it for you

[undone stirrup]

Yey

[fringe forge]

is pif hoenn?

[ivory mulch]

Mr. Rime and Frilish fusion

[prime dust]

nothing past gen 7

[ivory mulch]

Oh phooey, didn't know that
Is there a particular reason why? I'm new to PIF so I'm not in the loop

[prime dust]

do you want the long version or the short version

[ivory mulch]

Short I guess? I assume it's just waaaaaay too many pokemon and you have to account for fusions between every mon so throwing a new gen into the mix makes a lot of work

[prime dust]

there is work that would need to be done, yes, but not in that aspect

thanks you fusion coding, we have the room for like another 100 generations or so of pokemon before we hit the same issue we had prior to 6.0

the short answer is = pokemon essentials

in order to get mons from gen 8+ one of 2 things has to occur

1. remake the game, from scratch, with a higher version of pokemon essentials; assume roughly 10 years to get back to where we are now, frog has no desire to do this for obvious reasons

2. manually code in moves/abilites/etc. for pokemon in gen 8+; frog attempted this before, things broke, so for the sake of safety/stability, it is off the table for now

[hushed axle]

Do-fucking-not

[prime dust]

https://tenor.com/view/just-do-it-shia-la-beouf-do-it-gif-4531935

[ivory mulch]

Isee isee
Yeah I can definitely see why thats a thing

[prime dust]

yep

[ivory mulch]

Building a game from the ground up again to have Pringles Frilish sounds super unnecessary 💀

[hushed axle]

Manually coding them would be the easiest and safest over transferring everything to a new version of essentials but it would take months at least to get it all coded properly and then tested to ensure it’s all working properly.

[prime dust]

the code changed in some capacity between v19 and v20 of essentials

so it isn't like he could even copy pasta it 1:1

[hushed axle]

The code got an entire rewrite between 19->20

[prime dust]

oh didn't know it was that bad, thought it was something small that would just require minor rewriting

an entire code change would explain why i was thinking it might require a different game engine

[hushed axle]

Nah, v20 (and 21) of essentials rewrote almost the entire base code of the project. Moving to essentials 20 (or 21) would require all of the Pokémon, move, ability, etc data that frog has added/changed to be transferred into the new format as well.

[prime dust]

hang on, ironically i have the perfect gif for that

https://tenor.com/view/pain-bot-all-i-know-is-pain-in-pain-gif-13783394

[hushed axle]

And I can only assume he’d need to rewrite the majority of the fusing code because of that

So while it is easier and more plausible to code gen 8+ in manually to the current version of essentials, it would still take a long time and frog has no desire to do it

[sacred pagoda]

DO IT

[molten loom]

do not

[hushed axle]

Cheeto, do you hate me?

[molten loom]

I will start reporting every issue with the grass to delay it

[sacred pagoda]

Fire have you chained a shiny yet I made sure that was already announced

Or are the other mons still giving you issues

[flint tiger]

guys, imagine if PIF Hoenn has the affection mechanic thing, and it counts separately if it is a fusion

[sacred pagoda]

Considering Sylveon was already changed to shiny stone and friendship evos just don't exist it's safe to say that won't happen

[flint tiger]

got a mightyena max affection fused with a gastrodon max affection?

it'll be landing crits wishing to be praised more often than not landing crits

and it'll tough out hits all the time

[sacred pagoda]

Super Luck Absol: Am I a joke :(

Super Luck+Crit moves+Crit item = always crits

[flint tiger]

but what if max affection head + max affection body

[prime dust]

look we already added back time based evos, whose to say that other mons might not require the addition of friendship

[sacred pagoda]

Those were ever not in the game?

glances at Lycanroc

Oh can Riolu evolve at night

[hushed axle]

-# I did find the shell bell in the demo

[prime dust]

you get the idea though

[prime dust]

happiny

requires day time + held oval stone

one of the few remaining weird evo requirements

[sacred pagoda]

I forgot Happiny requires day lol

[flint tiger]

i already know what isn't included in the demo

[sacred pagoda]

Do tell

[prime dust]

because you can easily get chansey, there's little/no need to evo happiny

[sacred pagoda]

True

[flint tiger]

i'm pretty sure SV pokemon aren't in the demo

but since i haven't played the demo

there's a chance i'm wrong

[inland jewel]

super luck chansey with lucky punch is 100% guarenteed a crit

[sacred pagoda]

Trueeee

[flint tiger]

also the unova region isn't in the demo

[viscid wren]

I get the feeling that the demo will infact not include the bee movie, though I am not a reliable source

[trail hull]

new fusions code can't handle all the fusiosn we have now so we have a dex cut to get gen 8. That would be just like the real gen

[spice sage]

Never say never

[molten loom]

can neither confirm or deny

[trail hull]

BREAKING NEWS: BEE MOVIE CONFIRMED FOR PIFH

[viscid wren]

Hey, I said I wasnt a reliable source

[viscid fossil]

It's like how ludicolo was revealed in a demo and then then say "there's no way a combee should be able to fly"

[flint tiger]

another fact: i'm pretty sure pachirisu isn't coming to pif hoenn

[trail hull]

also they didn't even say never

[flint tiger]

and if i'm wrong, then prove it

[molten loom]

do we not have any bee movie reference sprites?

[trail hull]

frog removed them permanently from the game to make the previous statement

[viscid wren]

No no, frog retroractively removed them from existence

[viscid fossil]

But will the components for those fusions bee in the demo?

[viscid wren]

Frog can canonically warp the space time continuum

[flint tiger]

i'm not 100% sure, but i don't think pif hoenn will have voice acting

[viscid wren]

Oh man, you mean I did those recordings for nothing!?

[slim otter]

Welllllllll
If we can use the april fool's pokemon cries, then yes, pifh will have voice acting

[viscid wren]

Seriously though, with the year moving on im getting more and more pumped for pifh

[slim otter]

Not a fully voiced game, but it would be in there

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/hugs-rickroll-gif-24588121

[rancid nymph]

But it will include an NPC that says: “According to all known laws of aviation, there is no way that a Vullaby should be able to fly. Its wings are too small to get its fat little body off the ground. The Vullaby, of course, flies anyway. Because Vullaby don't care what humans think is impossible” and give you a Vullaby and introducing it and Mandibuzz as Pokémon 573 and 574 respectively

[viscid wren]

Lmao

[rancid nymph]

I definitely didn’t have that bit saved up for years, I don’t know what you’re talking about

You also definitely didn’t just see me screw up the line thing

[viscid wren]

That I did not since im in the middle of recording

[rancid nymph]

Also if you’re reading this Frog, you’re more then welcome to steal that bit when Vullaby and Manibuzz eventually get added to the game

[viscid fossil]

I already made this joke with combee smh

[rancid nymph]

It works better with Vullaby since it’s dex entry says it’s too fat to fly, but it still learns fly until I believe Gen 7

[full bison]

Vullaby pokedex: "it can't fly." Learns fly
Yanmega pokedex: "it can carry adults in flight." Doesn't learn Fly

[viscid fossil]

Maybe yanmega can carry adults who are in flight

[rancid nymph]

Hey, it said that Yanmega can carry adults in flight, not children

[hexed agate]

It said that it can, not that its willing to

[prime dust]

no see it is all about how it is written

the adults are already in flight, it is just carrying them along as a bonus

[dense cosmos]

Yanmega taxi service is for adults only

[flint tiger]

i forget what game it is

but the corviknight taxi service isn't available in one game because of tinkaton

[charred light]

Scarlet and Violet. They use a handful of Squawkabily to carry the taxi cabs instead.

which is weird because even with illegal moves and perfect stats, Tinkaton can never be an actual threat to a Corviknight in battle

[flint tiger]

but it's the lore, right?

tinkaton uses the hammer to huck rocks at corviknight

[full bison]

And it doesn't even learn Smack down, the literal "huck rocks at Flying Pokémon to knock them out of the sky" move.

Learnsets are nonsense

[flint tiger]

why are you putting logic into pokemon?

the funny is that i did that earlier

[serene gulch]

quick question, will PIF2 be an entirely new game or just an update to the current one?

[inland jewel]

but also think it out, do you really want to fight roxanne at level 90?

[rancid nymph]

And what if I do

[full bison]

That would be what postgame rematches are for

[serene gulch]

ahhh, my apologies. now that I think about it I should have checked pinned

[rancid nymph]

Place your bets, which day in April will PIF Hoenn release

[trail hull]

31st

[full ether]

42nd

[sacred pagoda]

Today /j

[inland jewel]

April -3

[sacred pagoda]

Can't give an exact date cause I don't know it but Frog's been on top of ironing bugs out

[trail hull]

tommorow ( I am biased because of something)

[prime dust]

april 2nd just so he doesn't have to release it on the first

[dense cosmos]

Released in early june

[flint tiger]

if it’s released on the first, he’ll have to compete with the super mario galaxy movie

[spiral musk]

you can play while watching the movie

[flint tiger]

in theaters?

[craggy nexus]

1st but is just a repacage of if1 with anew title screen

[viscid wren]

Is it really a competition though? PIF is way cooler than the movie industry butchering the best mario game ever made

[flint tiger]

ig you're right

[viscid fossil]

Wrong! The best Mario game ever made is I am a Teacher: Super Mario Sweater

[viscid wren]

I- wtf is that?

[trail hull]

Guys since the demo is releasing next month we should gaslit any people that ask when the demo release date. We tell them not this year and that thry should leave the server

[flint tiger]

that's mean

[viscid wren]

That seems a bit extreme lol

Im ok with the making them believe its next year part

[trail hull]

That’s why there is the evil emoji

But I don’t wanna do it for real

[shell agate]

Oh ok so no pif hoenn

[rancid nymph]

It’s been changed to PIF Unova

[flint tiger]

and it’s now confirmed to be PIF Galar

[full bison]

Still no Gen 8+ Pokémon tho

[flint tiger]

Except for the starters

[crystal cosmos]

Except for Alcremie you mean

[flint tiger]

yeah

[full bison]

All 63 forms included, cause that was their gimmick. Have fun, spriters

[gleaming panther]

My 1 request

Joltik hat

[dense cosmos]

Yet no joltik hat in game.

[gleaming panther]

That's why it's a request for pif hoenn

[slim otter]

You can make a request in #sprite-requests

[atomic hornet]

Character customization is shared between both games, so sprite requests or https://discord.com/channels/302153478556352513/1324893397475004527 would be best. If I have time tomorrow maybe I'll poke at it

[full bison]

||just have the Joltik hat be a single yellow pixel for the memes||

[atomic hornet]

Hahaha I would get so many reports about hair having a stray pixel 😂 I love a good meme, but nah. Although.... 4 pixels

[fringe forge]

https://tenor.com/view/i-need-it-spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-gif-4883506

[trail hull]

that would be so funny

[flint tiger]

we need it in the main game too

[worthy sleet]

honestly I've been hyped over this strictly for mightyena fusions

[gleaming panther]

Facts

[long umbra]

any day now and the goat swellow will be in pif

[pale sparrow]

https://youtu.be/L7DDeu75rTQ?is=6ljXDyjPyaernXMG

lmao I thought this was the PIF banner

[sturdy frost]

meanwhile 250.000+ fusions works just fine

[flint tiger]

still can't work on my phone

[dense cosmos]

10,000 pokemon can't work 1 job. You need to separate them into other jobs and make sure it fits with what type of pokemon they are.
A slugma can never be a cashier due to lava burns cash, so don't make him a cashier.

[summer apex]

simply develop fireproof money

[flint tiger]

or not make money out of paper

[viscid wren]

The money should just simply choose not to burn

[trail hull]

funfact , money is not made out of paper but cotton. This is to make them more durable , however this doesn't make them fireproof

[flint tiger]

true

if money wasn't flammable, then there wouldn't be any problems with a slugma or magcargo being a cashier

[trail hull]

the cash register would melt

and the client would burn their hands trying to pickup the money

[flint tiger]

that would only be if the slugma or magcargo are nearby

if not, then the client can still pick up the money that can't be set on fire

then again, i have no idea what i'm talking about

[trail hull]

also one thing more important

they don't have arms

[flint tiger]

yeah

[viscid wren]

We will give them arms

[trail hull]

Since paya is in the dev team , every time she is marked as playing rgp maker , we can assume she is working on pifh

[viscid wren]

Neat

[trail hull]

also she is on a 6 day streak according to discord

[atomic hornet]

that is 100000000000% true!

Wanna know what I'm working on right at this moment?

||menu icons||, so very exciting but yes, I only use rpg maker for pif. There are few instances I'm using it for pif 1, but its a 95% chance its for hoenn

[trail hull]

Oooh interesting

[viscid wren]

le gasp the spoilers that paya is giving us here. We now know that ||there are menus in pifh!||

Wild stuff man

[crystal cosmos]

This is so clearly an early April Fools joke

They would never add those into the game

[trail hull]

yeah who would add ||restaurants||to their game

[dense cosmos]

There better be ||affordable prices at this hoenn restaurant!||

[flint tiger]

they gonna charge at the pokemon center

[trail hull]

I hope they sell cake

[flint tiger]

alcremie is not in the game

[trail hull]

And ? Cake doesn’t need alcremie

[flint tiger]

yeah

[dense cosmos]

Alcremie is only cake in a special dynamax form.
It isn't actually a cake.

[flint tiger]

I was stating a fact, not disagreeing with what you said

[trail hull]

So it’s a bit unrelated then

[dense cosmos]

Another fact, cake is lie

[dim sparrow]

that is the month that we're in!

[slim otter]

"10,000 Pokémon is unfeasible"
PIF:

[prime dust]

yes...10,000

the fools

251K+

https://tenor.com/view/sas-evil-gif-26310062

[alpine rune]

So

The game is good right?

[sacred pagoda]

No it's terrible we just have nothing better to do with our lives other than bug test

(Obvs joking the game is fantastic <3)

Y'all gonna love

[slim otter]

When do the sitting cuties come out for every fusion species in pif /j

[dense cosmos]

I am imagining they are literally making the bugs test

[sacred pagoda]

Cheeto the Lycanroc? More like Cheeto the Butterfree

[craggy nexus]

the bug test are coming out poorly volbeat and illumise just arent very good

[viscid wren]

The sad truth

[dusk narwhal]

There should be more creepy shit In Hoenn

Like references to OG pokemon creepypastas

[lime flare]

also add missingno frrrr😛😛😛😛😛😛

[dusk narwhal]

I stand by missingo being a villain

[quaint matrix]

Volbeat is ruining the Showdown meta fr

All the good mons with Tail Glow will no longer have it and now you're stuck having to fuse with Volbeat for Tail Glow

[full bison]

I can think of a certain Mon that would get people excited to use Tail Glow without being burdened again

[quaint matrix]

Yeah but if you're adding it you're gonna add the rest of its siblings

[full bison]

-# one day.... Definitely not anytime soon, but one day...

[quaint matrix]

Not that I mind of course I would love for Pheromosa and Buzzwole to come

[full bison]

Every Ultra Beast would add something fun to work with. Every single one.

[quaint matrix]

At least Volbeat stonks is gonna be up sprite wise since everyone's gonna want to Tail Glow it up

And admittedly it's easier to get Tail Glow with Volbeat (presumably they're catchable early game) than it is to get Ampharos/other mons with Tail Glow (it takes until the pretty late game)

But it's still a matter of "is dunking your mon's stats with Volbeat worth it"

(If you approach it from the reverse angle though; "Is it worth giving Volbeat a big stat bump so it can use Tail Glow without being outclassed" I think it works)

[full bison]

Maybe Frog could make Tail Glow a TM that Ampharos could get access to, like Spore and QD. Almost definitely not happening, but it would be cool

[quaint matrix]

That'd be awesome

[quaint yarrow]

I can't wait for them to announce shadow Pokémon in PIF Hoenn that's totally happening yup 100% my Pokémon works at Nintendo and they told me

[uncut tangle]

Technically set Shadow PKMN exists already in Debug

Click it, it definitely works

[thorny sierra]

is this a continuation of PIF? or is this a whole new game? just curious as i've only just come back to PIF ^v^

[hushed sierra]

[incorrect information]

[thorny sierra]

:0

[hushed sierra]

[more misinformation by me]

[full badger]

Different game

[dense cosmos]

Read pinned comments

[stray spear]

Whole new game

[hushed sierra]

please tell me nobody asked this

[scarlet pebble]

Sadly

[hushed sierra]

..., pokemon infinite fusion... minus fusion

[scarlet pebble]

Pokemon infinite

[prime dust]

wrong

[hushed sierra]

yea kinda realized that

[prime dust]

that is why we pin people for asking that question

[trail hull]

some people under the youtube video , even complained about fusions

[hushed sierra]

ITS POKEMON INFINITE FUSION, WHAT DID YOU EXPECT?!

NUCLEAR FUSION OR SOMETHING

[viscid fossil]

Would you rather have unlimited Pokémon, but no fusions?
Or unlimited fusions, but no fusions?

[tacit saddle]

Multiple times.

On multiple occasions

[full bison]

"But I want a Hoenn game with all the cool stuff you're adding without the fusions!"
Throw a rock at a fangame site, you'll probably hit one with a similar level of cool stuff

[hushed sierra]

perfect response lol

[rancid nymph]

Instructions unclear I broke my computer screen

[dense cosmos]

Instructions unclear, the fangame fled...

[trail hull]

instruction unclear , I hit one and got banned

[molten loom]

And they also have asked here

[viscid wren]

I already asked if that was a legit question lol

[sacred pagoda]

Me watching MandJTV's video on the best Eeveelutions in every game

"Ruby Sapphire and Emerald do not have Eevee which is weird since it's required for Espeon and Umbreon"

Spoiler: Frog fixed that problem

But I completely forgot they weren't available in the original GBA R/S/E lol

[rancid nymph]

It’s even stupider that you can’t evolve Eevee into Espeon and Umbreon in FRLG

[sacred pagoda]

Yeah cause of the lack of a day/night cycle

GBA was a weird era man