pif-hoenn-discussion

[stray spear]

[sudden jackal]

People will keep hounding this channel with the same questions over and over again if we don't show them the place to go which is the pins

[fringe forge]

we need to train them
is the only valid option

[viscid fossil]

Give a man a pin and he infos for a day

Teach a man to pin and he infos for a lifetime

[fringe forge]

i dont think that works

[summer apex]

Maybe not but they might shut up about it

[slim otter]

It's a little bit rude to tell others not to answer questions 😅
If the same person has to keep saying "The demo is not out yet, it's not a PIF update" over and over like many of us have been, then it's good to suggest that they just react with
But the people who come in, see one question, answer it, then leave are just as transient as the people who come in and ask questions without reading the pins first

[gray stream]

True..

[thin pawn]

what is a hoenn

[stray spear]

no idea

[green laurel]

It's what you get when you spell nneoh backwards

[sudden jackal]

It's the same as nenoh but mixed up letters

[dark meadow]

Will we see the Gym Leaders and Elite Four be more involved in the story? Given how it’s funny how Hoenn has two eco-terrorist organizations trying to alter the Region’s geography with the power of literal gods of the Land and Sea, yet the only ones stepping up to do anything are Steven and Wallace.

[hushed axle]

It’s probably a bit too early to tell. From my understanding the story isn’t totally fleshed out yet as they’re focusing on the creating the maps for the world and the mechanics first

[thorn forge]

They still haven't even finished making rustboro from what it sounded like from the stream a couple weeks ago

[alpine rune]

Theory and speculation wise, I would assume they would be busy at their respective towns. The climate change would be so intense that it would spread out to the entire region. Heavy drought on Dewford causes major heat strokes and dehydration on a small island, Brawly would take charge evacuating the residents. Heavy rain on Fallarbor causing landslides due to its sandy geography, Flannery would need to help the elderly get down from there, and so on. Besides Winona, I would assume most of them have none or even only few modes of fast transportation. The incident happen in Sootopolis, a remote island within a crater wall, so I would assume it would be hard for them to travel there, amongst other reasons.

Best given candidate I can think of to help the team in Sootopolis, besides Wallace and Steven, is Drake the E4 member and Juan, assuming he lives in Sootopolis.

It would be neat to have the option of Winona or Drake come to sootopolis and have them transport us (Basically skip the entire surfing journey) to Sky Pillar though.

[ivory seal]

I would love to see the NPC who sent a love letter in cerulean city reappear in Hoenn, where should I send a suggestion for that to happen?

[sudden jackal]

Do you mean another love letter quest or specifically those two people

[ivory seal]

Either or, it was an endearing questline

It would be fun if the original two NPCs were on honeymoon in Hoenn

[errant lion]

I mean outside the manga the E4 is usually very oblivious to what's happening

Gym leaders on the otherhand get involved depending on if it's in their area

[sudden jackal]

Yeah I never liked how in like every game the gym leaders and elite 4 do fuck all while the region is tearing apart I think the only time any of em do anything is in unova

Like ya only ever get the champion

[errant lion]

Fr like everyone except the champion apparently has nothing to do with the story most of the time. Like yall live here too why not help 😭

[lament gyro]

Sorry if this question is a bother. When talking about gen 8/9 mons I was just curious what technological limit is making it so they can’t be added

Is it lack of 2D sprites?

Is it lack of easy assets for those mons?

Is it a limit of the game engine?

Just really curious!

[viscid fossil]

game engine. We would either need to completely rebuild the game in a newer version (takes too long) or add all the moves and mons manually (reportedly tried once and everything fell apart)

[spiral musk]

abilities mostly

[lament gyro]

Ah that makes so much sense!

[spiral musk]

they would have to be manually coded and apparently last time frogman tried it broke the game

[lament gyro]

I’m not surprised… those newer abilities can be wacky

[spiral musk]

you can alway sneak them in as alt sprites tho

[thorn forge]

It makes more sense if you think of them as professional athletes rather than people who should be peacekeepers.

[weak trellis]

tbh considering I kinda see pokemon as athletes themselves (kind of like a boxer/coach situation in a way) I can see the comparison

[inland jewel]

well the moves and items too

[inland jewel]

mostly the version the game is running doesn't have anything from gens 8+

So if Galalde wanted Sharpness it wouldn't do anything
if Shuckle wanted to use Body Press, it can't use it
if someone wanted to use an Ability Capsule to get a hidden ability, the item just doesn't exist

[prime dust]

you know for not existing...they sure do exist

they just aren't coded in properly

[inland jewel]

that was the attempt Frog did to try to get gen 8+ items in

[prime dust]

only way you can get em is either via random items or debug

[inland jewel]

since it didn't work he quit

just the example for manually attempting to code them not working

[past plover]

Will we get triple fusion on this game

Be it cloning to form an egg

[prime dust]

pif hoenn will likely have all the same features [and more] that pif boasts

maybe not right away mind you

but

https://tenor.com/view/eventually-finally-amanda-gif-5156866

[glass finch]

The Day They Add Remix Mode To Hoenn, My Soul Is Their's

[hushed axle]

@pale sparrow is probably already working on it

This isn’t the channel for that. Go to #playthrough-talk

[past plover]

Oof

[restive jungle]

Ik this ain't the channel for it but I need help

[rancid nymph]

Didn’t they show a remix mode option in the presentation last week

[hushed axle]

Then go to a help channel

?tag question

[opal trail]

Confused on where to ask your questions?
If you need help on installing or updating the game or to report bugs found within the game, go to #tech-support.
For help on proceeding with the story in the game or if you have a gameplay mechanic question, go to #gameplay-help.
If you need help with team building or strategies, you can go to #playthrough-talk.
For all other questions, you can ask in #general and you may be redirected to the appropriate channel for your question.

[hushed axle]

I think the option exists in the menus/code because it’s the same as PIF1

Don’t know that anything is implemented tho

[sudden jackal]

When did this become a thing

I've been doing this manually for ages

[green laurel]

Yesterday

[sudden jackal]

Oh ok then

[pale sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/who-knows-gala-varo-rupaul's-drag-race-global-all-stars-who-can-say-i-can’t-say-right-now-gif-8421634409992836690

[dusty arrow]

hello chat....

[alpine rune]

I hope frog adds the Tapus in hoenn

[glass finch]

I Hope Frog Gets 8 Hours Of Sleep And Finds 20$ On The Sidewalk

[past plover]

Sky pillar in pif 1 seems like a small tease for the upcoming pif hoenn

[past plover]

I hope we can have emerald outfit for may and Brendan. :3

[white meadow]

I have a feeling spriters might redo a lot of costumes from PIF fusion on top of adding new ones

[hushed axle]

Outfits are relatively new even in PIF1 so I don’t think that many will get redone tbh

[white meadow]

If that's the case, I do hope that the Delinquent or Punk clothes get in at least as a Dark Type Expert costume

[past plover]

People are gonna staying in Littleroot town snd listening the music once PIF Hoenn is out

[slim otter]

A good chunk of people will probably mute the in-game music so they can play their own music

[white meadow]

Beginner town music is always relaxing. I would stay in Newbark Town just to listen to the theme when I get nostalgic.

[sterile spoke]

And me... 😉

[thorn forge]

I always forget how much easier the gyms were in R/S over Emerald

[sudden jackal]

You'll be wishing it's emerald with what frogs probably cooking up you seen the Movesets he made for remix mode

[thorn forge]

I mean it's not like emerald is hard just feels like gamefreak didn't even care in R/S

[hushed axle]

Frog doesn’t do remix so

[full bison]

What would get me fascinated is if the Battle Frontier was confirmed, cause I would be really interested in seeing the kind of fusions devised to be a challenge for higher levels of play

[thorn forge]

oops all legends

[weary minnow]

surely they add megas to this game

jk

[torn crane]

Why server logo is gastrodon fusion

[green laurel]

This isn't the place to ask

Ask in #general

[spice linden]

is hoenn gonna have johto and kanto in it too?

[polar crown]

Can I help?

[polar crown]

Statistically, probably not, but it might have that battle zone place again from emerald. Time will tell.

[hushed axle]

At that point, why make a whole new game when we could just add hoenn to pif 1?

[viscid fossil]

Why does nobody ever ask where you tell them to
I've genuinely been waiting for them to ask so I can answer

[weary minnow]

thats a great question, why not just add regions to PIF

[hushed axle]

1. There's a map limit and a whole new region would not fit within that limit
2. By the time you finish with Johto, you're levels are already well into the 80s. Adding a whole new region full of lvl 80-100 pokemon is just weird and boring

[weary minnow]

good points

[full bison]

Not to mention it would inevitably lead to people asking for Sinnoh, at which point you would have to ask why people want to go through a game with everything at the level cap, especially considering at that point we would have to look towards Showdown sets to create difficulty

[hushed axle]

I don't want a game that's 200 hours to just play through all of it, not to mention 100%

[full bison]

I genuinely cannot stress enough how much a Pokémon game with every region sounds awful when you start thinking about it for a few seconds lol

[rancid nymph]

Because people don’t read

[prime dust]

lol, even fan games with multiple regions haven't done it yet

[weary minnow]

though, sinnoh is prime and i wish pif had more mons from there

[weak trellis]

there's a reason why most pokemon games have their final bosses around level 55-65 with a few exceptions

[tardy rampart]

I didn't watch all of the stream, but has it been stated how much of the game is playable for the upcoming demo?

[inland jewel]

They plan to go to Slateport

Past that the demo ends

[tardy rampart]

I haven't played Emerald in ages, how far into the game is that?

[inland jewel]

After gym 2

[tardy rampart]

Ty. Also would it be more like Emerald, as in it merges Ruby and Sapphire together?

[inland jewel]

Don’t know

They said it’s a mix of RSE and ORAS

[tardy rampart]

Guess that makes sense, thank you

[inland jewel]

Also

Has all questions you could ask

[full bison]

Something I just thought about is that Slateport is the location of the first contest hall you have access to in RS/ORAS, but it's a battle facility in Emerald. It will be interesting to see what direction it goes in the demo

I could see it just being under construction if the framework for either of those isn't ready by then

[somber sierra]

Hm how will spinda fusions work

[full bison]

Same way fusions of any other Pokémon work

Artists discretion where the spots go

Genuinely surprised at how many people are interested in the Spinda gimmick. It was always one of the most forgettable to me

[hexed agate]

It's technically interesting

[full bison]

There's probably some way to get the spot gimmick to work with fusion sprites, but it would take a crazy level of coordination between the devs and spriters. Also there could be storage issues, I imagine

[inland jewel]

Considering that they have said that they plan on trying to make contests work.

[slim otter]

Didn't there used to be a poll pinned here where people could submit their ideas for pif2?

[full bison]

It is available over in #announcements at the very least

[hushed axle]

#server-forms as well

And it's linked on the FAQ

[analog belfry]

i mean, with what mega dimension is doing, just say fuck it and go past level 100 once you get halfway through region 3
then break the level 200 cap by the time you get to region 5 or something
as we say in the industry, number go up

[white meadow]

I guess there will be an extra location outside battle frontier. PIF Hoenn might feel smaller in scale compared to PIF, so I won't be surprised if there will be more to do or exclusive new locations that haven't been seen in games before.

[scarlet galleon]

when is PIF hoenn coming out??

[prime dust]

Soon™

[somber sierra]

Spinda is in my top 10 aot am I weird 😭

[viscid fossil]

it's weird to not be weird

[analog belfry]

spinda is a funny fella that i would love to use
... if their stats weren't so abyssmal

[somber sierra]

I just see him as a goofy drunk panda

Amuses my brain for some reason

[viscid fossil]

Yeah, but now you can give it prankster teeter dance while your double battles partner has tangled feet.

[hushed axle]

That’s the glory of fusing, you can make any “shitty” Pokémon less shitty

-# Or fuse Shinx + Skitty to make it more shitty

[analog belfry]

exactly, it's got contrary to carry it at the very least, if you want a contrary fusion without the grass type
the only move it gets in gen 7 that benefits from contrary is superpower by transfer but uh!! yeah!!!

[quaint matrix]

You have Shuckle tho-oh yeah

Spinda + any of the 600 BST mythicals would probably do great work

DIY Normal Glalie

[vocal pivot]

Slap one of them on a fighting type for stab contrary superpower or close combat

[quaint matrix]

You can already do that with Lurantis is the thing

[vocal pivot]

Ok but it's not stab

[summer apex]

it would be if you slap it on a fighting type

[viscid fossil]

but close combat spinda is?

[vocal pivot]

Yes. If it was any contrary mon alone, it wouldn't be stab

[quaint matrix]

You know Spinda is Normal-type right?

[vocal pivot]

Ye

Fuse it with a fighting type then superpower will be stab

[quaint matrix]

So like how you can fuse Lurantis with a Fighting-type for that STAB Superpower

[vocal pivot]

Ye. It's not stab without the fighting type

[summer apex]

so how is spinda better

[vocal pivot]

[vocal pivot]

This was implying an unfused lurantis

I think that's how it derailed lol

[quaint matrix]

Oh yeah I misread the vibe of the convo definitely LMAO

My bad my bad

What does Spinda have that Lurantis/Serperior doesn't I wonder

[vocal pivot]

[quaint matrix]

Oh yeah they got Teeter Dance I guess

[vocal pivot]

Besides, lurantis would rather spam leaf storm

[summer apex]

googly eyes

[quaint matrix]

Kind of a worthless move to give to Spinda

Okay they actually have nothing that Lurantis or Serperior didn't have

So oof

[fringe tapir]

is there a list of secret moves that can be learned? as i'm starting to wonder

as an example i saw pollen puff on celebi even though on bulba pedia it states only ribombee in 7th gen can learn it

though it does mention celebi on the gen 8 compatible list

oh i just realized where i asked this oops

i guess it could still be relevant, bring in double iron bash the same way 😮

[sudden jackal]

Wrong channel

[spring reef]

has there been word if the you have the boots in kanto game if they transfer to hoenn

[past plover]

Let's hope there's no annoying water routes that many Pokémon fans, especially Hoenn fans are on about, in this game.

[trail hull]

Well oras reduced them and is the last tile based game

[loud marlin]

just had a thought for randomizer runs

What about a mode where all the pokemon stay the same for routes and locations and all that, but they are fused with a random pokemon?

Eg you find poochyena on route 1 but the first battle it is fused with a growlithe but in the next it is fused with a treeko. It is always random what the base pokemon is fused with.

I can't have been the first to think of this mode though, so I'm guessing there is some sort of limiting factor?

[sterile spoke]

I'll ask Tomate, as we like to keep it small for the most part, but I can't imagine him saying no to you. 🙂

[sterile spoke]

Due to how the encounter tables work, this wouldn't be possible. Basically, imagine it worked like this:

"ROUTE 1: Poochyena, Zigzagoon, Wurmple, Fletchling (Sun), Surskit (Rain), Pikachu (Lightning), Shuppet (Fog)"

When you randomise the game, it swaps all of these encounters to another Pokémon, so you get something more like:

"ROUTE 1: Heracross, Cacnea, Nidorino, Articuno (Sun), Fraxure (Rain), Breloom (Lightning), Bruxish (Fog)"

The encounter table for fusions takes all of the Pokémon in a route and their relative fusions. So you can essentially only randomise the non-fused Pokémon, and the fusions come from that list. 🙂

Does that make sense? 😄

[prime dust]

even the "official" universal randomizer which can be used for the actual games can't do that

what you're asking for is impossible from a coding standpoint

or if it is possible, it is exceedingly difficult and kind of kills part of the point of randomizers

[rancid nymph]

Well Pokémon fusion isn’t a mechanic in the actual games (aside from the Tao trio and the light trio), otherwise they probably could

[loud marlin]

then isn't the simple answer to that just a 2nd table that randomizes on top of the first table? I say simple, but I know space is limited.

I'm not exactly sure how strict the programing of pokessentials is, but you would just need to set the randomizer at the moment of encounter, not from the route list.

Run through the grass, encounter, the code to choose from the list hits and picks which one, then a second hit is made for a randomized choice for its fusion. Coding wise, even I know how to draw that up, but that is in a vacuum and not with the rest of the code to essentials. So then the question becomes "why can't this be done?"

[polar crown]

If not, I'm fine either way. just like helping.

[loud marlin]

Not really. In a vacuum, the coding for it is actually rather simple.

You have a pretedermined list from the og list
When you get into a battle it chooses from the normal list
Then have the game call the randomizer list to choose one on top of that (Two lists at the same time is possible because of the wild double battles we were shown)
Then just a coin flip for head or body and fuse. Presto. The coding for it is actually already in the game. It would just need a little tailoring

It is more of a question of what coding would conflict with it and prevent it from working rather than it is impossible to code it

[slim otter]

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[molten loom]

Also in playthrough talk

[winged bear]

https://tenor.com/view/inspector-gadget-minecraft-minecraft-movie-brown-bricks-brown-bricks-in-minecraft-gif-11488613102745152145

[prime dust]

the issue is they are effectively asking for, without the need of reshuffling the route, all pokemon

it'd be one thing to just branch out the existing code to be a bit more diverse in terms of how it handles fusions, but another thing entirely to pull from the entire dex just on a single route, even if that mon isn't in that encounter pool

[loud marlin]

I would agree :/ but randomizers already do that every encounter

[prime dust]

no they don't

not a single randomize pulls from the entire dex for a single route

[loud marlin]

maybe I am misremembering then, but I was sure there was one that already did that

[prime dust]

nope

thus why i said not even the universal randomizer does that

[loud marlin]

:/ no wonder people say essentials is bugged and limited

[prime dust]

the universal randomizer i don't think runs on essentials

not sure what it runs on tbh

[loud marlin]

the randomizer (both the predecessor and current) are just a java script

https://tenor.com/view/cringe-eeee-gif-24636179

[prime dust]

https://tenor.com/view/robin-williams-gif-6037089

[viscid fossil]

if it aint broke

[prime dust]

run it on repeat until it does

[loud marlin]

the most recent well used randomizer is only a few years old. There is a newer one, but it is far less tested and not widly used.

[prime dust]

not exactly what I meant by that gif but tomato potato

[loud marlin]

I am definitely a potato

but I think I got the joke. Cause the code is java script

[pale sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/sunmi-noir-queen-tomato-tomatoes-gif-13692853

[polar crown]

The grip and deadpan stare make me nervous.

[slim otter]

That's true... I've never seen anyone hold a tomato like that

[rancid nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/thanks-i-hate-it-no-thanks-gif-18664913

[pale sparrow]

that gif used to be a staple of mine

[quaint matrix]

Average out of context Kpop music video

[split reef]

are all the current made sprites gonna be added to hoeen?

[inland jewel]

all sprites will be for both games

[split reef]

:D

[hushed axle]

My beautiful FAQ being ignored

[summer apex]

Ignoring your FAQ is my favorite hobby

[quaint matrix]

It ain't even pinned bro

[hushed axle]

I know, I should unpin Paya's to pin mine

[quaint matrix]

Why'd you want to ruin her work smh

[hexed agate]

You should ping her while you're at it

[arctic sorrel]

Give this meme a [Deltarune Complex Art Pieces (Deltarot)] treatment

[sterile spoke]

It's for ROMs (and almost exclusively base game ones rather than ROM hacks), so not fangames. 😅

[sterile spoke]

It's not that simple, no. The weather effects are separate encounter tables, and like the main ones, any encounter (Fletchling in the sun, to use the earlier example) will get randomised wholesale (to Articuno from that example). There's no way for a dynamic encounter pool to exist unless every route has one that includes every single Pokémon, which would balloon the size of the file, and probably the time the game takes to start as a result of that. 😢

[shy condor]

we got a faq ?

(jk)

[fringe forge]

[inland jewel]

guys, bomb this guy with

[trail hull]

I'm sure that if we made a percentage of all the people who can't read on earth we would get 1100% , even the guy who made the study wouldn't be able to read

[vagrant ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-math-math-cat-numbers-cat-funny-gif-13385485103134761656

[glass finch]

These Are Certainly Words

[ivory seal]

Chat, will we see the couple from cerulean city get married? I need to know

[analog belfry]

they will be spending their honeymoon in lilycove and happily married
OR
they got divorced
no inbetween

[ivory seal]

Nooooooo, I want to see them happy

Happy or nothing

[thin void]

I've been using Fusiondex to plan a team and just found out one of them isnt in the game yet 😭
This sprite is so amazing

[quaint matrix]

Claydol is baller and it'll be even more baller once its in-game

Specially inclined Ground mons are p rare

[full bison]

Crazy how the best special Ground type is Nidoking when it was intended to be a phys attacker purely because Sheer Force was coded in a way that makes no sense

[quaint matrix]

Wait Sheer Force is bugged?

[full bison]

It negates the recoil of Life Orb when it doesn't negate recoil for any attacking moves such as Flare Blitz

[quaint matrix]

That's crazy lmao

[inland jewel]

Nidoking has better power on special attacking moves than physical moves

like Sheer Force on Earth Power has a bp of 109 or something while physically its best ground move is earthquake at 100

and that extra 9 power is enough to kill when earthquake doesnt, and it doesn't hurt your ally in doubles

[vocal pivot]

Also comes with the bonus of being unaffected by atk reduction like intimidate and burns

[viscid fossil]

what

[vocal pivot]

Common ways of cutting atk

[viscid fossil]

that's not a thing?

[vocal pivot]

Burn halves atk and intimidate lowers atk by 1 on entry

[viscid fossil]

correct.

[vocal pivot]

Nidoking being special would render it immune to those

[viscid fossil]

oh
oh that makes more sense

[vocal pivot]

(Outside the burn chip)

[viscid fossil]

I thought you were saying it was an effect of sheer force

[vocal pivot]

It's not. It's just nidoking having better special coverage that works alongside sheer force

[clear lichen]

Thing is, Nidoking would likely still hit harder with Earthquake over Earth Power since it has higher Attack, albeit it'd take LO chip

What's more significant is the sheer damage difference between the Elemental Punches and Ice Beam, Tbolt and Flamethrower, as well as Sludge Wave vs Pjab, even if all moves here get the Sheer Force boost

75 is a lot lower than 90

Same with 80 vs 95

I wonder if Physical or maybe even Mixed Nidoking would be a thing if it got Gunk Shot?

With that said, with how many mons in newer gen metas are bulkier physically than specially, EP probably would hit harder on average than EQ for Nidoking

I mean, it's bad enough to get Landorus Therian to run Earth Power over Earthquake

A mon with 40 more Attack than SpA

So yeah EQ vs EP has one have slightly more damage in a vacuum only taking into account the user's stats but take 10% chip and have to contend with higher defensive stats and burn

And then for every other comparison the special move is better in every conceivable way

And also running mixed is generally ill advised so if you're running all the other special moves may as well run EP

[full bison]

I am once again begging Gamefreak to replace Freeze with Frostbite

[vocal pivot]

Same

[sterile spoke]

You can manually download them into your CustomBattlers folder if they're not yet included in a Sprite Pack. 🙂

[inland jewel]

the problem here is they want to use Claydol

[vocal pivot]

[sterile spoke]

Ah, RIP then. 😛

[sudden jackal]

Hi if you've already updated you can still launch the game from within the folder the games in

The launcher was just a easier way to do it but the original creator sadly left so idk how much longer it's gonna be supported but you'll always be able to launch it from the folder

We also have a #tech-support channel for any issues

[faint acorn]

apologies, I must have clocked the wrong channel.

[sudden jackal]

It's fine people get lost all the time

[stray spear]

Claydol isn't in the game yet indeed

Oh blaquaza said that already

[scarlet pebble]

Claydol indeed isnt in the game yet as you said

I am supporting cali

[thin void]

Thank goodness, I am equally as informed as I was to begin with, thank you all!

[slim otter]

If you don't ask any questions, we can't give you any answers

[dim sparrow]

Will pif 2 have this non solid wall tile here

[hushed axle]

I hope so

[summer apex]

yes but only in one direction

[signal radish]

should be a static porygon-Z/unown encounter

[still flume]

im wondering, will mauville be the oras style or the original style

[inland jewel]

we don't know

since for now they are focusing on the demo area, which goes to Slateport, so any decisions for Mauville will be after the demo release

[full bison]

Frog Actually adressed this a while ago.
#pif-hoenn-discussion message

So basically the answer is most likely RSE style

We do know some ORAS things are going to be included given we saw the Granite Cave mural in the Overworld Pokémon update video, so it's not completely off the table, but it's most likely going to be the original

[tropic dew]

Translating the multi-story layout of ORAS Mauville into 2D would be somewhat difficult to pull off, even with advanced RPG Maker XP map layer wizardry, so I understand why we're getting RSE style Mauville

That said, I don't mind if some liberties are taken with the layouts and visual styles of the cities; PIF had locations introduced in the anime, so it'd be interesting to see some of the sparsely decorated towns and cities of RSE be given a bit of a facelift, even if it means some things are no longer 1:1 with the original games

[swift bison]

They could trait Mauville as a cave system?

[lofty spindle]

We could like, have Mauville but with extra facilities.

[inland jewel]

they could just sprite it as if it was like Celadon mall

[tropic dew]

To an extent, maybe. The rooftop offering a view of the central outdoor square from two floors up might be hard to recreate accurately, though.

[analog belfry]

imo the ORAS version of mauville has a lot more character
i think some liberties could be taken, like that view from the upper floors, but if its moreso the RSE version i think that'll be a shame
not like PIF hoenn lives and dies on which version of mauville city it uses but still

[polar crown]

Well, it'd be easy to fuse them. (See what I did there? )

[analog belfry]

some kind of fusion? if we did that, well... the possibilities are nearly infinite

[trail hull]

So you mean that it’s hoenn in fine fusion?

[inland jewel]

well you see, critics ahve been saying 6.7/10 too many fusions

[uncut tangle]

Yeah I really feel like this game needs some sort of gimmick

It's so close to being a 10 but like, I don't get the point of the game?

[fringe forge]

they ware 2d sprites in those games

[primal frost]

"Critics".. usually based on well.. opinions no one asked for, or "critics" that have little knowledge.. so i would never care about those opinions. People should just play / try it for them selves..

Having 250k fusions is fine, its never been about completing the dex anyway in my opinion atleast.

[hushed axle]

-# …it was a joke

[hidden relic]

yeah Tara got the number wrong on the Too Much Water ref

[agile olive]

I think they meant the original too much water, this one is referencing that one wisn't it

[fringe forge]

i think the best thing pif hoenn can do is let team magma win
remove all water routes
then the critics wont have anything to say!

[spiral musk]

if team aqua won it could be called pokemon wind waker instead

[hallow sky]

Will there be megas in pif hoenn?

[prime dust]

this game already has a gimmick, fusion

at best you will see sprites for megas in fusion but outside that

[hallow sky]

Ok

https://tenor.com/view/violet-evergarden-thumbs-up-violet-evergarden-ok-violet-evergarden-the-movie-violet-evergarden-violet-gif-21668751

[trail hull]

should have done instead, it's in the faq

[trail hull]

rare discord glitch

[dim sparrow]

very rare

[gentle stratus]

is there going to be a separate discord for the infinite fusion Hoenn game?

[uncut tangle]

Getting all new / additional staff to manage a 2nd Discord would be an absolute nightmare.

And highly unnecessary

[gentle stratus]

cool

exactly what i was hoping to hear lol

er, read

[deep solar]

Will the story be something like emerald where you fight both team aqua and magma?

[full bison]

At this point we don't know, and nobody working on it really wants to spoil that

[thorn forge]

given PIF Kanto... I wouldn't be totally shocked to see us be able to join the eco-terrorists

[full bison]

Volcanion getting added somewhere later down the line would create the absolute funniest opportunity for a side quest involving both teams arguing over which one it suits better

[sterile spoke]

It's worth mentioning that sprites with heavy use of design elements from the Megas will be alted, so you may need to do some digging to find them. 🙂

[stray spear]

Tons of self fusions look like the megas

[sterile spoke]

They sure do, but they get alted when others are available. 😄

[atomic hornet]

For self fusions they're tempted

[sudden jackal]

Hai Paya

[atomic hornet]

Hey!

[spiral musk]

they are tempted by what?
also hi paya, had a nice vacation?

[hushed axle]

by their sins

[atomic hornet]

I did! But at the same time I'm so over my mother that I'm glad I'm back

[broken heart]

How goes the programming for Hoenn?

[atomic hornet]

Well I was away for nearly 3 weeks, so not much on my part lol. Dont know what frog was working on

[pale sparrow]

jiggle physics 🙏

(for jigglypuff)

[thin pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/yoshi-be-lookin-thicc-bounce-dance-gif-15044709

every pokemon is just this

[stray spear]

Woa really? I never Knew

[spice sage]

Best game suggestion I've heard. I'm getting to work asap

[stray spear]

chop chop frog

[polar crown]

@vague oar , I have good news and bad news, the good news is frog is going to add back in animated sprites. The bad news it's it's just pulsing jiggle physics.

[vague oar]

https://tenor.com/view/vesuvius-baby-baby-ash-gif-2339947883921805569

Animated sprites are so cool, Screee and I are working on one rn

The game should support them, even if they’re not included in the sprite packs

[polar crown]

I'd love it too, but Frog is right, animation causes too many issues. Maybe in a few days* when we finish all the sprites, we can move on to animating them.

*time estimation is not promised to be accurate.

[gray stream]

No a few days sounds accurate I actually made 11902 sprites the other day that I'm waiting to distribute on Christmas

im santa

[merry shale]

I’m not the ONLY one who remembers seeing Skarmory in Gold Silver and Crystal on Route 45 right?
I vaguely remember seeing it and catching it out of sheer luck since it is so rare so maybe I was a lucky kid in school at the time?
Not in Hoenn though since everyone has seen it more than one time on Route 113

[viscid fossil]

sir this is a #pif-hoenn-discussion

[prime dust]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-no-this-is-patrick-spongebob-angry-mad-gif-9319809

[short pebble]

is it gonna be an update or a sequel?

[wary cedar]

new game

[short pebble]

thanks

[thin pawn]

what if i just started spreading misinformation in this channel

[brisk timber]

Don’t

[thin pawn]

yeah its totally an update bro its coming out february 30th

[inland jewel]

do it, and then ping them

this will make them distrust people saying things and for them to actually look up info themselves

[fringe forge]

can we start deep faking pif hoenn footage and post it as a troll everytime someone asks a question instead of reading the pinned ?

[wary cedar]

No ai content

[fringe forge]

who said ai

[wary cedar]

Deep fake is ai

[viscid fossil]

Non-ai deepfakes are a thing

[fringe forge]

^

[wary cedar]

You mean photoshop?

[brisk timber]

Deep fakes have existed since before AI

There’s a reason there’s a specification between deepfake and AI deepfake

[slim otter]

Mhm
It's called a lie

Once upon a time, everything was great
Then someone came up with realtime spoken audio deepfakes

[sudden jackal]

-# then the fire nation attacked

[shy condor]

nah, i saw a deepfa- i mean creditable source it was the earth nation

[rancid nymph]

Erm, ACTUALLY it’s the earth KINGDOM 🤓

[outer night]

Really excited for this! thank you for your hard work.

[uncut tangle]

You're welcome.

[barren summit]

is there a Release date ?

[sudden jackal]

[lost coyote]

is there a release date?

[rare imp]

(also, afaik as just a PIF 1 player it says 2026)

[lost coyote]

ok thanks

[rapid wasp]

pif hoenn i am discussing

[thin pawn]

release is date a there

[bleak sedge]

Lets see what releases first. PIF hoenn or pokemon clover 2.0

Hoping for the second one

[quaint matrix]

What would even be in Clover 2.0

[bleak sedge]

Apparently they are remaking the game in an all new engine and doing a whole bunch of qol stuff to the game

[quaint matrix]

Oh a remake okay

I do not want to see the "funny" new Pokemon they make with Clover

[thorn forge]

I was not a fan of clover NGL

[glass finch]

I Know Its Very Early On In Development, But Will The Secret Bases Be Customizable Rooms Like In The Original Or Will They Be Similar To The Secret Garden From Kanto

[sudden jackal]

The secret garden isn't meant to be anything like the secret bases from hoenn

It's just a hidden area there's plenty in the game

Secret bases are different

[ember spruce]

Will there be new mons in PIF Hoenn that arent native to hoenn and arent in regular PIF?

[glass finch]

I Agree, But It Would Also Be Significantly Easier To Scrap The Customizable Rooms All Together

Especially In Favor Of Something The Serves As A Gameplay Function

[sudden jackal]

Maybe in the future the focus rn is just getting hoenn up and running before we focus on anything else

[ember spruce]

I see, thank you

[sudden jackal]

We have a FAQ for any other questions

It's in the pins of this channel

[inland jewel]

The only 4 non-native new mons are
Chingling (from sinnoh)

Swoobat, Elektross, and Dragalge

If the game really does take until 2027 to fully release the entire region, then they could add the Fusion Day additions for 2026 as well

[slim otter]

Assuming there are Fusion Day additions
There might not be

[hidden relic]

Truth be told... the Fusion Day I have in mind for next year is not reliant on additions at all

Instead I wanna work with Frog on Paya to get... something else ready

[gray stream]

]

pif sinnoh

but without the sinnoh pokemon

[trail hull]

Well this year the addition were a bonus from frog so it will depend on frog

However new Pokémon has become a yearly tradition at this point (so hopefully we get some)

[quaint matrix]

Ah yes my PiF co-developers

Frogzilla and Fogzilla

[tired slate]

i havent been on discord for a while, any updates on pif Hoenn?

[full bison]

Overworld encounters were shown off a while ago

[sudden jackal]

[tired slate]

Cool!

[faint tide]

Will kingambit be added as well as dudunsparce?

(Wrong channel?)

[shy condor]

both gen 9, so no

[sudden jackal]

[faint tide]

Understandable response appreciated

[sterile spoke]

The Secret Garden is more in line with things like the Hidden Grottos from Gen V. 🙂

[sterile spoke]

In addition to the ones Tara mentioned, we've got no clue as to if any more are getting added. I suspect they might, but we've got no reason to believe this yet. 😅

[polar crown]

I know.

[ember spruce]

I hope so!

[prime dust]

i figure frog will want to wait until hoenn is further along before tossing more mons into it [likely after the demo is out]

[trail hull]

Bugsnax fan 😄

[ember spruce]

Hopefully the devs refrain from adding the mythical torchic boss battle its very difficult to beat a torchic with 7000 bst 😢🙏

[viscid fossil]

Just use prankster destiny bond

Smh

[sudden jackal]

F.E.A.R strats on top

[gusty path]

is the game out yet???

jsut wondering

[white meadow]

no

[gusty path]

https://tenor.com/view/reaction-shocked-ariana-grande-ariana-wicked-gif-9352977018792188008

[prime dust]

Soon™

[sudden jackal]

Open the pins in this channel and read our FAQ

Has a bunch of info

[quaint matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/ariana-grande-barbiaminaj-cynthia-erivo-glinda-elphaba-gif-12023613268608803393

[atomic hornet]

No pokemon will be added this year, we got so many with hoenn. Frog said no

I was hoping for a funny troll pick to make someone suffer in secret spriter but maybe next year, who knows

[rancid nymph]

I’m surprised Pokémon were added last year TBH

[fringe forge]

hoenn dex is enough for me

🫡

[hushed axle]

This year has less than a month left so

[atomic hornet]

I keep forgetting its december

[full bison]

The passage of time feels like it goes faster and faster these days

[quaint matrix]

For me it's really slow lmao

[polar crown]

Pokemon can't all be Bruxish

[atomic hornet]

I did bruxish the secret spriter that was weeks before it was announced, it has a special place

[trail hull]

Oh that would have been so funny

[sterile spoke]

Valid, to be fair. I'm still amazed we've got as many as we do. 😮

[inland jewel]

That just means Frog will add a super secret Mon in the demo

Since they said he won’t add it this year

[spice sage]

Super secret mons sound fun until you realize that it's going to be all autogens if it wasn't announced beforehand

[inland jewel]

to be fair, im fine with that since the hype of a new mon overrides how bad the autogens look imo

[hushed axle]

Not if it’s one of the non-if teams who’ve been spriting all of them anyways

[inland jewel]

that also jsut motivates people with that hype to get sprites for it out

[hushed axle]

Like skiddo

[inland jewel]

i wonder, if going into #1050404143807873157 and then filtering it to be all non-if, we can see which has the most and then just add that as a secret mon

[hushed axle]

Maybe. Spritework is a bit hard to navigate for that tho imo

[inland jewel]

man i though there was a way to filtre the search bar via a tag

[hushed axle]

And I think all of the non-PIF teams ended up getting disbanded by staff but I don’t remember

[inland jewel]

i mean, you can filter it by the tag non-if. but it won't tell you an exact number

[inland jewel]

yeah, if the thread is specifically a non-pif team. but if you're doing an event that makes use of non-if spriting, then there are some still out there

[trail hull]

that's why we need the one with the worse autogen , to scare the spriter so they start spriting fast

[inland jewel]

|| crabominable ||

[hushed axle]

We need the monke trio

[trail hull]

or we can do like the previous beta , where it's accidentally left in the code

[inland jewel]

lumineon would be a nice addition

[trail hull]

funfact about lumineon

there was a bug in the first demo

where a wooper/mantyke (or mantine) autogen was bugged, and it had the name of lumineon and the apperance of the fusion

[inland jewel]

yeah that was what i was refering too

[trail hull]

oh ok

[inland jewel]

the two bugged pokes were early Surskit and Finneon right?

[trail hull]

didn't know about surskit

[inland jewel]

#pif-hoenn-discussion message

[trail hull]

oh interesting

also can't belive it took 2 years for surskit to actually get in

[inland jewel]

its funny because the PIF day winner's 2nd choice for a mon to add was Lumineon

so full prophecy almost

[trail hull]

who knows , maybe it will be underneath the xmas tree

[inland jewel]

Lumineon is one of my favs from Sinnoh, so i do hope we get more sinnoh representation

[prime dust]

we save phimsch for frog to throw in

[trail hull]

All I want for christmas is.....

https://tenor.com/view/fish-spin-sha-gif-26863370

[hushed axle]

Fishmas fishmas fishmas

[next flare]

Maybe if I actually had better progress on ||Xurkitree|| dex, Frog could have shadow-added it to the demo

[trail hull]

Nah we all know gogoat is the non if mon with the most sprite

[full bison]

I can't see any UB being added on it's own without the rest of them tagging along. Aside from maybe the Poipole line given its starter lore, but even that is a long shot.

I guess Necrozma being in on its own could be seen as a solo UB given its lore, but that's an argument over semantics I don't want to get involved in

[spiral musk]

I'm hoping for swasbuck so we get to make reindeers

but I don't get my hopes up 😔

[spiral musk]

well necrozma got added on it's own without solgaleo and lunala

[dense cosmos]

Necrozma came for the light

Left the other two behind for us here

[inland jewel]

The event that will introduce Sogaleo and Lunala would be a wormhole opens and they come charging in as a fusion to stop Necrozma

[hushed axle]

That’d be cool, ngl

[full bison]

I imagine it would probably be given to us as a Cosmog, given that it's a whole evolution line

Maybe something like an Aether Foundation employee or Lillie giving it to us so Lusamine can't get to it first

[slim otter]

You make it sound like we sent some ten-year-old to defeat their mob boss
They're allowed to have nonofficial teams, but they can't use a thread as a hub for their non-pif events and multiple sprites and whatnot, so all the threads being used not for a few sprites by the same person were locked and closed.
They sort of disbanded on their own as a result

I wonder if #1222376526805209201 would be a conducive place for non-pif spriting events

[hushed axle]

I think we sent kiwi so close enough

-# I had to do a deep dive into staff chats and yes, we sent kiwi

[prime dust]

so you sent the equivilent of DoomGuy into Hell

[trail hull]

I remember , I was in the gogoat and ultra beast and we made an emergency exit to a private server

[rancid nymph]

But Golisopod’s the Pokémon that has emergency exit

[plain hinge]

hey ppl im very sorry for the (maybe unnecessary question) yet i downloaded the game just recently and was wondering if Hoenn is already accessable and i'm just too blind to find the switch or is it still in developement?

i've seen alot of announcements thats why i'm asking

[viscid fossil]

[thin pawn]

It's still in development

Very early stages of development

[rancid nymph]

Got to love it when people don’t read

[plain hinge]

thanks alot^^ all i needed to know

[thin pawn]

All good

[thin pawn]

I can't blame them, I always forget to check pins

[plain hinge]

tru im not a fan of wrapping myself in pages of information just to find something you can tell me within 5 secs. ima play the game 😉 got to love sum friendly fellas

[urban snow]

Is pokemon fusion 3rd gen still getting work on or can we play it

[gray stream]

hoen

[urban snow]

Yes

[thin pawn]

rock hoen church

[odd current]

It's still in the early stages of development, we probably won't see like the full release for a good long while.

[full bison]

Full release is probably in the last quarter of 2026 at the very earliest

Making games takes time

[urban snow]

I understand that I was just asking

[urban snow]

Ok thanks for your update on it

[stray grove]

When does PIF 2 release

[wary cedar]

[inland jewel]

Next year

though the full version 2027-2028

i cannot wait for me to sit in the demo and wait for snowy weather to come from shoal cave all teh way to Route 103

[still citrus]

So no johto version?

[hushed axle]

Johto is in PIF 1

[still citrus]

Had a look, it doesnt have all of johto

[hushed axle]

-# it’s literally missing two cities

[still citrus]

= not having all of it. I dont get your point?

[hushed axle]

Why would a whole new game be made just to add two cities

I don’t get your point

[still citrus]

I have not played the game, hence why i asked initially

[rancid nymph]

Well then maybe you should play the game

[inland jewel]

The reason why the last two cities aren't in the game is because there is 0 reason for them to exist aside from beating the gym there, since there isn't a special event/place to make you go visit it the dev decided to allocate the resources elsewhere

and to encourage "exploration" other places

[full bison]

Frog has brought up that he has plans for them at some point, but it's not really a priority right now

[urban snow]

Is it ok to ask what 2 city's are not added

[quaint matrix]

Olivine and Cianwood

To be clear the reasons of them not being added because "there's no reason for them to be there aside from beating the gym" is kinda bogus considering every city is given a reason to be visited and stay important one way or the other

Like you make the reason why Olivine and Cianwood has a reason to be added

The real obvious reason is simply that Olivine and Cianwood just isn't a priority so they're not gonna be added for the foreseeable future

[uncut tangle]

False. They will be added.

[viscid fossil]

but will they be added in the foreseeable future?

[uncut tangle]

Depends, are you Psychic type?

[viscid fossil]

no, but it's my tera type

[empty halo]

Hey, I was wondering, is Wurmple's Evolution going to be distinguishable in this game?

[odd current]

It has the johto region and from what I remember the Johto exploration is a sort of prequel to the events of gold and silver.

[sudden jackal]

In what way do U mean cause normally they are one is white and one is purple the white turns into the butterfly and the purple turns into the moth

[empty halo]

Uh, because which one it evolves into is determined by an unseeable value?

[sudden jackal]

Ohh now ik what you mean you're asking if we'll be able to see the personality values in pif hoenn

Idk but I probably wouldn't hold my breath on it the Devs don't normally change a whole lot about stuff unless it like needs to change ya know but maybe it'll be something you can see with debug mode

[empty halo]

Well actually I twas wondering the evolution method would be changed so you could possible choose

[sudden jackal]

I mean it could be a possibility frog has changed evolutions in the past and he might make it something else if the personality mechanic can't be in the game for whatever reason ig

I can't say anything for sure

[hushed axle]

You could always fill out the form for PIF Hoenn ideas in #server-forms

[trail hull]

We are soon going to reach 50% sprited fusion completion

I wonder how long it will take until frog decides to push us back under 50%

[alpine rune]

2 weeks

[sudden jackal]

January 1st with pif hoenn demo

[trail hull]

it already includes the new mons in the count

[sudden jackal]

Yeah ik just being dumb lol

[trail hull]

unless

[proud lion]

Last year was no new troll mon edition if I recall.

Bruxish was the exception

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokémon-chainsaw-bruxish-team-rocket-gif-12695848432645923121

[full bison]

[uncut tangle]

What does that mean?

50% sprited

[prime dust]

of the fusions available both in game and out of game, 50% have a custom sprite

if I had to guess

[hushed axle]

The Luvdisc disrespect

[proud lion]

That was in November 2024

[hushed axle]

That was last year

[proud lion]

Will this year be Basculin?

https://tenor.com/view/basculin-fish-flop-pokemon-anime-gif-5391386002298953918

[full bison]

We would need one of Basculin's fusions with something to hold up a big sign saying "BASCULEGION WILL NOT BE ADDED INTO THE GAME"

[hushed axle]

Smeargle

[rancid nymph]

Even if it could be added, it wouldn’t matter because it’s not a real Basculin evolution

[finite reef]

Only white stripe basculin can evolve... and its evolutions are blue and red. Good job game freak

[prime dust]

gen 1 reremake confirmed

or, i guess it'd be rereremake since let's go was the reremake

[finite reef]

Shiny basculegion is yellow, its all coming together

The other shiny basculegion is purple, therefore the next gen1 remake will be pokemon Purple, and its mascot will be Mewtwo.
...I hate how that actually isn't impossible

[prime dust]

should be mew not mewtwo

[finite reef]

mew isnt purple mewtwo hasn't actually been a box legendary yet

[rancid nymph]

The female Basculegion is white, but the fact that the first one we were shown was the red male Basculegion (and that’s the one we ride on in the game) further proves that there’s no excuse for regular Basculin not being able to evolve

[finite reef]

Female basculegion is light blue
Though it is odd that male basculegion takes up most of the spotlight, I never considered that

[rancid nymph]

It is the same colour as white striped Basculin

[finite reef]

Baculin is much more pale

Female can't be white because the tail fades into white

[rancid nymph]

The tail is the exact same colour as the rest of its stripes

[finite reef]

Tip of the tail, same with red

Much less pronounced on female though. Its just a really pale blue

[rancid nymph]

Regardless, the point is that White Striped Basculin has zero reason to exist

[finite reef]

Oh that I can 100% agree with

[rancid nymph]

And in fact, it makes the games worse

[finite reef]

Its less intuitive, but its relatively harmless
enamorous on the other hand

[sudden jackal]

Everyone who sees this message check the pins of this channel

[sterile spoke]

I mean if White-Stripe was used instead, it'd be fine, and probably easily done because it's juse a case of swapping out stats. However, Basculegion is from Gen VIII, so it's not getting added even if Basculin does (unless Frogman changes his mind). 😛

[viral sigil]

Hey guys, is infinite fusion hoenn avaliable to play?

[fringe forge]

[prime dust]

https://tenor.com/view/no-i-dont-think-i-will-captain-america-old-capt-gif-17162888

[alpine rune]

ok who dropped the box of thumbtacks on the floor?

[dense cosmos]

My guess is Ernesto

[trail hull]

Sorry guys it was accidentally me , I was stocking up for my pif conspiracy board but tripped and dropped it all over chat

[fringe forge]

[sterile spoke]

Your who in the what now? 😮

[trail hull]

My pif conspiracy board

[sterile spoke]

I am no clearer as to what this means. 😂

[trail hull]

You don’t know what a conspiracy board is ?

[dusky schooner]

Is early 2026 still the only timeline we have for this?

[rancid nymph]

It’s the only timeline we have for the demo

For more information, there’s a faq in the pins

[inland jewel]

any major announcements is gonna go into #dev-updates

and since that hasn't been updated at all, we can only assume nothing has changed

[full bison]

You know the Pepe Silva meme from Always Sunny? If yes, that's a conspiracy board

[ivory seal]

You know what I’m excited for?

The honeymoon of that kid from Cerulean city

[sudden jackal]

Who says they're planning on honeymooning in hoenn

[ivory seal]

Oh god you’re right

It would be so wholesome tho

[prime dust]

that would imply they got married in the interim

maybe they should get married in Hoenn

but...I have a request, one of the most utmost importance if that is the case

I require the ability to cast everyone's favorite cantrip

ELDRITCH BLAST

Cast it at weddings BLAST
Funerals BLAST
Beach Parties BLAST
Or you can just cast it randomly because the party is taking 5 hours to buy a single dagger from the shopkeeper and you're bored BLAST

[thin pawn]

[keen gale]

is infinite fusion hoenn available to download via the reggular IF launbchers/installers?

[thin pawn]

It's not out yet

[inland jewel]

to be released in 2026

and a demo at that

if you want the full game, then 2027 or 2028

[slim otter]

The RSE games occur at the same time as the FRLG in mainline canon
If PIF and PIF2 choose to follow that cross-game timeline, there may not have been enough time for those two to start dating, let alone get married

We'll see what kind of timing we're looking at

[rancid nymph]

Proof?

[ivory seal]

Aw, well it was fun hoping while it lasted

[prime dust]

if memory serves, I believe this game chronologically takes places between gens 1 and 2 timeline wise [given the goldenron mart isn't finished]

i think it is like 3 or so years prior to the events of the gen 2 games

[slim otter]

PIF 1 takes place at the same time as FRLG, as the burned tower was burned down 147 years ago at the time of PIF1

FRLG takes place three years before GSC

I can't say when PIF2 will take place, but I at least know the lore of PIF1

[prime dust]

found the "source"

looks like it was via a tweet [that has since been deleted, but archived] from Toshinobu Matsumiya

https://www.gamesradar.com/pokemon-timeline/

https://archive.ph/D9iPz

i.e., someone from GameFreak said something without Nintendo ok; possibly got smited

likely not properly cannon

[polar crown]

If you think about it, world ending disasters are an annual threat (give or take) in the world of Pokemon, if you assume games occur about a year or so apart.

Team Rocket has to be best team because they don't want to destroy the world they live on.

[shy condor]

i call that a lucky random snorlax awakening

[polar crown]

Yeah, they're evil, but everyone gets a costume, so it's all good.

[rancid nymph]

So I’m assuming the first set of Japanese characters are Red and Blue and the second set are Gold, Silver and Crystal. If so, there are 2 issues with this tweet: 1: DPPT and GSC cannot take place at the same time, because Professor Oak is present for the events of both games (only the postgame for Sinnoh, but he’s still there), and unless he learned the shadow clone jutsu, he can’t be in 2 different places at the same time. The second issue is that X and Y happen after B2W2. We know this because X and Y take place after the Alola games (you can meet a tourist from Alola in X and Y hotels who mentions an Alola champion, and Alola doesn’t get its first champion until the end of smusum) and in the Alola games we see Grimsley who mentions being retired from the Unova elite 4, and he’s in the Unova Elite 4 in B2W2. Which means that this tweet is provably false and should not be taken as cannon, especially since it doesn’t proved any explanation (and has since been deleted)

[polar crown]

My only issue with your statement is Oak can travel throughout the world (and is implied to do so in GSC) , so it could occur where he visits in DPPt and have it be the same year. Other than that, I agree with what you bring up.

Also, one thing to note is the multiverse theory, which means there's a chance that all games time wise occur at the same time, but in parallel universes, where the advancements and knowledge are different by universe. But that's obviously the "cheese the cannon" response.

[rancid nymph]

Thing is, he is never shown to leave the region in either game. In the Johto games, you can see him anytime in his lab, and in the Sinnoh games you can find him in a house in Eterna city where he also stays for the entirety of the post game

[polar crown]

True, but the games are a little fidgety when it comes to time. Certainly if things were designed like irl, they could have oak be unavailable at certain intervals, but showing that in game would make the experience more difficult for the player. It's like how they've switched to a "quick real time" system where a day is 24 minutes, not hours.

Do you mean to be posting this in #playthrough-talk ?

[shy condor]

you saw nothing

[full bison]

TBF the only one who wanted to destroy the world was Cyrus. Ghetsis wanted to be a dictator, Archie and Maxie were trying to reshape it, and Lysandre was doing the Thanos Infinity War thing

[polar crown]

Okay, yeah, then rephrased: Team Rocket is the only team to not have a plan that could have world ending consequences.

Not counting Team Yell, since they're just a bunch of fans. It's.... whatever Rose was part of that's messed up.

[spiral musk]

what about team skull?

[polar crown]

Okay, there's technically two teams in SM, but Team skull is less "evil team" and more "gang of school delinquents"

They even just live in an abandoned house, the poor babies.

well, if they live in an abandoned house, is the house still abandoned?

[spiral musk]

more like a city they took over

[polar crown]

Also, it's like the whole island too, isn't it? So basically, that island is like, the place they ditched all the bad kids.

[full bison]

There's also Acerola and her orphanage

Which they should probably think about relocating after Team Skull abducted Lillie from there

[median fox]

Team skull ain’t even evil

They just be doin shit

[rancid nymph]

They took over an entire town

And regularly try to steal from people

[inland jewel]

did they take over a town, or did they just settled in an abandoned town?

[rancid nymph]

They took it over

[thin pawn]

Imagine letting your town get taken over by team fucking skull of all people

[rancid nymph]

Letting your town be taken over by Team Rocket would be more embarrassing. Those guys don’t even commit crimes half the time

And if Sabrina had actually done her job, Team Rocket would’ve been kicked out of Saffron by lunchtime

[quaint matrix]

Yeah but consider that Sabrina probably don't care that much

Have you seen that lady lol

[terse wyvern]

This comment will more than likely get lost and never be seen by devs but can we get toxel and Toxtricity in pif hoenn? PLEASE

[viscid fossil]

toxtricity physically cannot be added without way more work than it's worth

[full bison]

And by "way more work," we're talking "remaking the entire game over again from scratch"

[thin pawn]

frog specifically will not add pokemon from gen 8 just to spite sword and shield fans

[clear lichen]

This implies that even if he did want to remake the game from scratch he'd specifically skip Gen 8 anyways

[prime dust]

that is one of the 2 ways

and the much harder one

the other option is Frog manually coding in the moves & abilities for those mons

#general message

^which in the above linked message, he said is possible, but he'd prefer to not do that

[sterile spoke]

I know that meme, yeah. I'm just wondering what skeletons we have in our closet. 😂

[sterile spoke]

And the thing is, it's a bit of a Pandora's box. Sure, you have moves with effects we already have access to (Scorching Sands, Skitter Smack, Dragon Energy, etc.) but then if those were to be added, but we didn't get the more tricky/complex moves, people might not like that. 😢

[prime dust]

yeah; catch 22 nonsense

[full bison]

It would be funny to fuse Kingambit and Basculegion together for the Supreme Overlord Last Respects combo, but alas

[inland jewel]

imean, in gen9 ou you can

[quaint matrix]

Kingambit + Kingler so you just make literally Japanese Kingler

[tropic dew]

Personally, if we're ever going to get a big new PIF game after PIF Hoenn is finished, I'd want to wait until that one engine/asset collection/etc. is finished thaat will make 3D Pokemon fangames possible.

but not like... where the Pokemon themselves are 3d

Because honestly, RPG Maker XP is dated as hell, and absolutely no one has been able to make anything nearly as comprehensive for any of the newer RPG Maker engines, mostly because of Yanfly's RPG Maker mafia dominating the landscape.

especially now that they're enforcing a "make people pay for your plugins and also make them compatible with our bullshit or you're gonna make us look bad" mindset

Ideally, if PIF can move beyond the RPG Maker engine entirely, I'd be happy. Either to Unity or Godot, or something that can reliably accomplish what Frog would want to do when it comes to a possible jump to a new engine

But yeah, this possible "New Essentials" pack for... I think it was Godot? That's something to look into when it's out of the planning stages.

Especially if, right out of the box, a lot more can be done with it than Pokemon Essentials for RPG Maker XP.

[green laurel]

It's prolly gonna be years before godotmon is finished

And idk if they have said if its gonna be 2d or 3d or able to do both

[quaint matrix]

It'll probably be saved for the third PiF project (if Frog would even want to do it)

[tropic dew]

It's gonna start off as 2D focused, but iirc the person in charge of the project has stated that they'd like to eventually incorporate support for 3D Pokemon fangames

which makes sense, given that Godot can support 2D and 3D assets

[green laurel]

Thats what I thought it was, but its been a bit since I've looked at it

[tropic dew]

Mm.

As I said previously on a similar conversation, if we were ever lucky enough to get a PIF 3 made in Godot, I'd love to see if it could be done in the style of the DS era games, where it had 2D character/Pokemon sprites but simple-ish 3D assets for environments overall.

Or maybe the 3D assets could be a bit more detailed, while still maintaining that "2D Characters, 3D world" vibe of the DS era Gen IV/Gen V games

and in many cases, like in HG/SS and D/P/Pt's cases, some overworld assets were still 2D, like the large trees and such. Meanwhile overworld assets went full 3D in Gen V onwards.

and speaking of HG/SS... incorporating the whole "lead Pokemon follows you in the overworld" schtick from those games would be fantastic, but since, in the case of fused Pokemon on the overworld typically being represented by their Body sprites, it would be a good idea to take some inspiration from Pokemon Yellow and have a window pop up that shows the battle/dex sprite of your Pokemon reacting when you interact with it on the map.

Though, that begs the question of possibly making overworld sprites for specific custom fusion designs.

like the Legendary Triple Fusions and such.

[tropic dew]

... Meh, that's a question for future Frog to worry about, when PIF Hoenn is out of the beta stages

[odd raven]

Is hoenn going to a separate game to install or an update to the original IF

[hushed axle]

Us at frog

https://tenor.com/view/deadpool-and-wolverine-daw-dw-till-you're-90-90-gif-7821387942878051500

[sudden jackal]

He isn't allowed to quit until we get pif alola

[thorn forge]

I wouldn't be totally shocked to see frog move on from PIF after Hoenn to make his own game they could profit off of

[mild moth]

Does som1 knows when PIF hoenn is gonna be released ?

[tropic dew]

sometime late next year, presumably? The timeline for full release is a bit muddy at the moment

[trail hull]

It would be cool but I think it can be a legal nightmare

[prime dust]

i mean as long as it is distinct enough, frog could put a new game that isn't pokemon on steam or something

[proud lion]

To me, the Hoenn numbers are my release

[quaint matrix]

Palworld aside Nintendo has shown they don't particularly care for Pokemon-inspired games

Though that tells me that they wouldn't mind it as long as the games didn't reach viral/popular consciousness lol

[trail hull]

I was talking about the user participation

[trail hull]

I wasn’t talking about the mons

[prime dust]

then I'm confused, because no where would that be a legal nightmare

as long as the game is unique, even if it fits into a genre, a developer can make money off it, regardless of their past work

[inland jewel]

I am going to assume the person had assumed they’d make a game with Pokémon assets and sell it on steam

[trail hull]

I literally said no Pokémon

If you guys want a pif being it’s own ip then I don’t think that the sprite ownership is already a problem

And then the reference sprite

[inland jewel]

No, the game after Hoenn would be a 100% original ip with no community sprites.

If that’s the case then where would there be problems?

[craggy nexus]

The problema would be frog having to sprite :v

[inland jewel]

literally Paya and the other dev are the art managers

the team of 3 iirc, is Frogman- Coder
Paya- Art
3rd dev- Art/event

[craggy nexus]

I don't think u underdtand how many assets we take from Pokémon i wouldnt just be the creatures it would be everything in the overworld and every character and npc

[trail hull]

Well the main appeal of pif is the community involvement in the game

So removing the player made sprite wouldn’t work but there’s a ton of problems that ensues anyways

[inland jewel]

i understand that for PIF, they use all pokemon assets from tileset/characters/pokemon/ etc

for the new game, it would use none of that

of course they'd hve to art everything from scratch but then they can actually make money is what some have been pushing since they've done a profit-less project for close to 16 years now and look what they made

so some want to see what stuff the COULD create if they actually did get paid to work on their own game

[vagrant ferry]

I wonder how high up the Nintendo chain people know about PIF

[timid scroll]

I think most of the executive know about most popular fangame and romhack

[sudden jackal]

You could argue it's one of the most popular fangames but not the most popular fangame/romhack

[analog belfry]

ive heard the whispers of a new project after PIF hoenn thatd be doing its own thing separate from pokemon so it can actually make money and support the team
but i struggle to imagine a pokemon-like with fusion as the gimmick like PIF has
because you have to make a collection of monsters that are strong enough designs on their own and then make fusions of every potential combination
which isn't impossible, but presents a challenge greater than any other pokemon-like already faces

[atomic hornet]

What about a farm sim? fuse plants for stronger strains

you know, what we do in real life. Speaking of which, did you know that bananas we know are the same kind and the others were wiped out by a disease? I donno something like that

[analog belfry]

meowgenics but with pokemon, real

[viscid fossil]

The end goal is to make a banana with enough potassium to be used as fuel in nuclear reactors

[next flare]

PvZ 3

[prime dust]

that's 40,000 bananas in 10 minutes

https://youtu.be/pkU_hP8Rzoo?si=hPW7czGcyy4nW1nn

[slim otter]

That's a myth

[atomic hornet]

Dammit, there goes a fun fact to share at parties

[slim otter]

You can tell them that the bananas you buy in stores are bred to be seedless, and wild bananas have lots of big seeds throughout them

[fleet quail]

Incredibly hard shells too

[errant lion]

Stay with me... mega evolution

[prime dust]

this game [and pif hoenn] already has a gimmick

fusion

adding in megas complicates things

the sprites for them exist, usually as self fusion alts [no the mons don't gain the typing]

[errant lion]

Ik I just thought it'd be funny to say knowing it wouldn't be added

[prime dust]

i did suggest to add in megas for pif hoenn, but only as boss fights; just to screw with the players

Frog going "Look, you can shut up now, I added it in...just, not how you expected"

[fringe forge]

i think it would be hilarious if in one of the towns a trainer will have an overworld mon that looks like a mega starter and comments "oh that? ye i just bred two of them and fused.... why what did you think that was " or something like that

[inland jewel]

mega rayquaza showing up at sky pillar, and its jst rayqyaza/rayquzaa

[odd current]

Megas are already in the game though aren't they? I fused 2 rayquazas together and got a mega Rayquaza. So technically it's already in the game

[rancid nymph]

Mega evolution is not in the game

The sprites do not count

[slim otter]

It's not mechanically the same

[odd current]

I count them. The sprite change and stat boost is good enough for me lol

[slim otter]

Which is why mega sprites from self fusions are alted

[slim otter]

There's no stat boost

Just an exp boost

[odd current]

Do the stats not change around when you fuse pokemon?

[slim otter]

They're averaged with different weights

[rancid nymph]

Not for self fusions

[odd current]

Ah

[slim otter]

I mean, if the two individuals have different stats, they'll probably be slightly different
But it's not as noticeable as like fusing a snorlax and a bellsprout

[vagrant ferry]

They’ll be better

if you use a super splicer

since super splicer takes best IVs from head and body

so self fusion will always be as strong or better than no fusion

[errant lion]

Just like the "red gyrados" in lake of rage

[analog belfry]

change the kecleon encounter after fortree into a kecleon/slaking if you havent beat winona yet
but a kecleon/slakoth if you have

[inland jewel]

2/3 of Dragonite's atk and 1/3 of dragonite's atk = dragonite's atk

[errant lion]

I honestly wonder what's the earliest legendary we'll be able to get

[inland jewel]

it does not gain any of the stat changes that the mega would have

[inland jewel]

if you don't mind rock smash farming and holding off on evolving your starter, as early as Mt. moon

[errant lion]

I mean in pif hoenn

[inland jewel]

if you don't mind standing in a route to reset the time, then theoretically petalburg woods

if they keep the Jirachi event

[errant lion]

Interesting

[viscid fossil]

What does that have to do with Jirachi

[slim otter]

It seems unlikely that they would make one of the pif2 quests exactly identical to pif1

[full bison]

Jirachi in Hoenn will probably have a quest involving the Mossdeep white rock

[inland jewel]

They asked, what is the earliest legend they could encounter in PIF Hoenn

I said it would be Jirachi if they keep the Jirachi event

if they change it to be the way it was in Hoenn then obviously Jirachi wouldn't be the earliest legend

[sand rose]

I'm sorry, maybe this is a dumb question or maybe I'm blind, but where would I get the hoenn version download?

[sudden jackal]

[viscid fossil]

Yes. Correct.
What does waiting for the time to change have to do with it.

[inland jewel]

They have confirmed that each weather has a unique spawn

So if for some reason it hails in Route 1, that is a unique poke

if it rains, that unique poke is a different pokemon

when the time passes, the weather can move, shift or disappear, so theoretically a player could wait for a route to encounter all different weathers and acquire the unique pokemon and encounter enough fusions to amount it to 777, and then sleep, you can find jirachi

[rancid nymph]

I highly doubt that there will be enough Pokémon on the first 3-4 routes to get you to 777

And even if there were, it would cost you a fortune in DNA splicers that you wouldn't be able to afford that early in the game, unless rematches give you money in PIF Hoenn

[inland jewel]

yeah, rock smash isn't until Watson right? so people can't even rock smash farm

[rancid nymph]

Not to mention I'm pretty sure there aren't any rocks to smash that early in the game

[inland jewel]

technically Whismur cave

but yeah you can't rock smash that yet

even then, if you were determined you could just trade mons with the stuff between games

[errant lion]

You think they'll take the latiax quest from ORAS?

[viscid fossil]

You really only need 28 mons, which might be possible with evolution
Of course those weathers are going to come in the time it takes to grind/fuse anyway

[inland jewel]

well wurmple by itself is 5 already

oricorio is also confirmed to be after petalburg, but idk if you can change into the other forms yet

[wise jay]

What pokemon are being added to the game

@full bison which pin

[full bison]

#pif-hoenn-discussion message

[tropic dew]

All things considered, I just hope that "Fused Pokemon in 1st slot as overworld companion" won't be too difficult to implement, assuming it has appropriate restrictions, such as making use of the Body Pokemon as the display sprite on the overworld rather than having to double or triple the workload by including custom overworld sprites for new and/or existing fusions, and by adding in a couple of tweaks instead of making it 1:1 to how HG/SS did it, by including a window that displays the dex/battle sprite of your overworld Pokemon reacting when you interact with them on the map, kinda like how Pokemon Yellow first approached the concept back in the day.

Like... it'd be interesting if custom overworld sprites for new or existing Pokemon fusion designs could be made, but not as a strict requirement going forward.

so that way spriters won't have to feel pressured to go whole hog on an overworld sprite sheet in addition to making a dex/battle sprite for their custom fusion design.

[quaint matrix]

Honestly overworld fusion sprites could just be another crowdsourced sprite

[tropic dew]

precisely

[quaint matrix]

I understand them not committing to it yet though

[tropic dew]

Yeah

[quaint matrix]

"Overworld fused sprites! (when one of our many talented spriters do one of them lol)"

[tropic dew]

Like... it'd be one of those things where it could be done if you want to

and in the case of custom fusion designs that don't have an accompanying overworld sprite, they'd default to using the overworld sprite of the Pokemon used as their Body half.

and compared to NPC/Player sprite sheets, all that would really need to be done would be a walk/flight cycle in the four cardinal directions, since they pretty much just speed up the walk animation if the player starts running, and the lead Pokemon tends to return to their Pokeball when the player rides their bike, surfs, dives, and so on.

Not to mention that sufficiently large Pokemon will remain in their Pokeball when the player goes inside, like Wailord, or most big Legendaries.

So if the sprite is deliberately oversized, AKA larger than... I wanna say 32x32, which iirc is roughly the same dimensions as the Player character in Gen 4/5, not counting the Surf, Bike, Fishing, and Dive sprites?

[tropic dew]

That all said.... some of the restrictions are personally kinda goofy to me, since Milotic is roughly as long as Lugia is tall, if not longer, and yet Milotic can show up inside a building because it uses a small enough overworld sprite in HGSS.

Like... Wailord makes sense, given that it's almost 50 feet of whale, and has a very large overworld sprite to reflect that

[hushed axle]

The hardest part of overworld fused sprites is the fact that not all sprites will match the battle sprites. The current battlers have such a wide range of diversity that it’s impossible to make one overworld sprite that would accurately depict the battler (not to mention reference sprites)

Overworld sprites also require a lot of fucking sprites

[tropic dew]

Yeah, that makes sense, which is why I figured it would be done strictly on a voluntary basis.

[hushed axle]

But then you have players wondering why some have them and some don’t

[tropic dew]

Right, which is why I considered "Body Pokemon Sprite as the default display method" first and foremost, with the option to make overworld sprites for a specific custom fusion design completely voluntary.

instead of being a strict requirement.

and then of course, you have other concerns popping up into place, like "how big is the fused Pokemon? Should it realistically be allowed inside with how much bigger it is than one of its components?"

and other stuff like that

[hushed axle]

That doesn’t fix the issue of players complaining and not understanding though. The general discord user in #tech-support isn’t exactly understanding to circumstances like that

[tropic dew]

That's on them for lacking reading comprehension then.

if they decide to complain about something being provided voluntarily on a case by case basis, then they deserve to keep waiting

Because the fact of the matter is, a lot of folks DO NOT check pinned messages as a first course of action, and sometimes even if they're told to check the pinned messages, they either miss whatever it was they were looking for... or choose not to check the pinned messages at all and drop the question.

[stray spear]

oi oi

whats happening here

oh someone wants overworld sprites

[tropic dew]

I do want them, but understand that it'd be a very hot potato to handle.

[stray spear]

Making sprites for the game is hard enough man

It's really unfeasible to ask every spriter to also make overworld sprites and animations for every fusion they make

[tropic dew]

No one is ASKING anyone to do anything, my dude. I went right out of the gate saying that it would be nice to have but also that it would be voluntary.

[stray spear]

and if only some sprites have them and others dont, people are gonna get confused and there wont be as much continuity. itd feel weird. people would also only use sprites that have overworld animations

they'd be biased

for the sake of the game seeming professional id say either all of them get overworld sprites or none of them do

[tropic dew]

That's a plenty fair path to take

But as PIF and PIF Hoenn are fangames, appearing professional shouldn't be a primary concern, but that's my two cents; you can have a well-made fangame that takes itself seriously, sure, but professionalism should be best left to official products, I think.

[stray spear]

plus, if only some fusions had overworld sprites but not all of them, tech support and sprite errors would get overloaded with random kids going "why doesnt my fusion have an overworld sprite"

[stray spear]

well by professional i mean polished

[tropic dew]

Yeah, that's the one major pitfall of the voluntary approach that cannot be solved by reading the pinned messages

[stray spear]

cant count on random people to be able to read and its more of a hassle than its worth

tech support and us chanseys already have to go through a lot so thatd just be another thing to deal with. tech support moreso but sometimes a straggler somehow goes to the very bottom of the server to ask about why their fusion isnt showing up

[tropic dew]

Yeah... would still be kinda cool to have, though. Best to just stick to a "Pokemon used as the Body of a fused Pokemon represents the fused Pokemon on the overworld" angle and go the Pokemon Yellow-like route of a status/talk window displaying the dex/battle sprite of your following Pokemon when you interact with them.

[stray spear]

That's a lot of work for just a few people to do

theres like 3-4 people working on pif hoenn and normal pif is just frog

[tropic dew]

Yeah, it'd be best left as something to consider when Hoenn + the postgame is more or less complete, and then feature creep can be explored when more hands are on deck

[stray spear]

Maybe in the far future but for now Idk if itd ever get added

[tropic dew]

and it feels more like something to pursue for PIF Hoenn specifically, since there's a lot of new experimental features already being added, rather than strictly attempting to make it work for both games.

But yeah, it'd be neat to have as a feature for WELL into full release territory, after Frog gets more hands on deck for polishing PIF Hoenn.

[stray spear]

If he gets more hands on deck

[tropic dew]

But there's also the fact that it would also kind of conflict with the "following friendly NPC" thing that Frog is playing around with for PIF Hoenn if handled incorrectly, so either you make your lead Pokemon follow behind the guest NPC, or have your lead Pokemon recalled for the duration that the friendly NPC is following you for.

[alpine rune]

imo i feel like hard part is how its going to be implemented

I know for a certain that spriters only sprite the ones they want or like, but if it for non custom, how would it work? like a recolor or just the body sprite?

[tropic dew]

just the body sprite. If custom fusions would be represented by the body sprite then logically speaking, non-custom sprites would be represented in much the same way.

but even then, it's something to consider WELL into the future, and is going to be something that could cause a lot of trouble if not handled correctly.

[alpine rune]

Then there's the problem of size bloat. I mean throughout the years (by years i just mean 2 ) since the popularity of PIF skyrocket in the 2020s, there has been attempts of just reducing the amount of sprites (be it tiny changes, mega alts, or just super low effort sprite rule breaking sprites) in game just so that the game is more accessible to everyone.

[tropic dew]

But yeah, another concern, because Frog is toying around with the ability to have friendly NPCs follow the player around, as a kind of evolution of the bits in Gen IV where you had battle buddies follow you through specific areas, and having Pokemon follow you could complicate that

[alpine rune]

I couldnt imagine how big the game is if we were to add another 500 sprite sheets just for ow sprites

[stray spear]

oh hey that's my job

[alpine rune]

sorry not 500

500^2

aka another 250k+ spritesheets

[tropic dew]

But yeah, lead Pokemon following the player in PIF Hoenn is strictly an idea that, while nice to consider, would have to be something pursued well into the game's lifespan, presumably when Frog has extra hands helping out, and would have other considerations put into its implementation.

[stray spear]

If Frog has extra hands helping out

[tropic dew]

I WANNA BELIEVE

HE DESERVES ASSISTANCE

[alpine rune]

I think the best bet is to just have a non fusion following sprites tbh like the eevee quest

[tropic dew]

That's my take as well. Let fusions be represented on the overworld by the overworld sprite of their Body Pokemon, and take a page from Pokemon Yellow by displaying a status window of the dex/battle sprite of the Pokemon following you reacting when you talk/interact with them.

[alpine rune]

only time would tell

[tropic dew]

and just kind of implementing the usual rules of Pokemon following you from HGSS applied to PIF Hoenn. They get recalled when biking, surfing, diving, flying and the like, and would follow the player indoors, unless their overworld sprite is bigger than the standard overworld sprite for most Pokemon, like most Legendaries, or Wailord.

in which case they stay inside their Pokeballs

[tropic dew]

man I hate BDSP

[stray spear]

Don't we all

[tropic dew]

But yeah, lead Pokemon, fused or otherwise, following the player is something to consider WELL down the line, and that's if it won't conflict too heavily with whatever other features Frog might be playing with, like the NPC buddy system they're experimenting with on the side.

At least I think that's one of the things they MIGHT be playing with still

I know Secret Bases are definitely being worked on and THAT is a whole other big kettle of fish to implement...

[full bison]

I can't decide if that's better or worse than how Ekans followed you around in BDSP

[alpine rune]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[hushed axle]

-# I liked BDSP

[tropic dew]

oh you poor unfortunate soul

I kid, but to each their own and all that.

still could have been a way better game though imho

[stray spear]

I never played it I lied

[wise citrus]

It was ok. I liked the design actually, but it's dragged down by being an almost carbon copy of the worse Sinnoh games (includingmany of the same bugs etc). Why they didn't just remake Platinum or use that Story line for the Remakes is beyond me

[stray spear]

platinum was my favorite game

Er my first game

One of my favorites

Actual favorite games. Black and white

[hushed axle]

This is my thoughts on what could’ve been improved. Despite that, however, I enjoyed it just as much, if not more than the originals (not including platinum)

If nothing else, they should have given us the Platinum Dex. They did sorta fix it with the underground hideaways but having the platinum dex would’ve been better

But this is now in #other-pokemon-games territory

[inland jewel]

You fail to underestimate how prideful Frog is, this is the guy who refused to share his code for a good part of 10 years in dev

Anyone who wanted to make a sequel he just said go ahead and try I’m not going to help you

And then after multiple attempts of fan sequels he “allowed” an open source copy and still no fan sequels came out

[inland jewel]

Ah but you see the platinum dex actually makes it impossible to get Stunky and Glameow

[prime dust]

acceptable losses

[spice sage]

I don't know why I get that rep The game's code has always been right there in the open in the game's files for as long as it has existed

[prime dust]

i think mainly because least going off what i've seen/heard, you were very much against help with the game, you wanted to take on the world of warcraft alone

from my point of view having joined in Nov 2022, it took you a few months on the low end after that for you to accept help, and that was for making mons no longer hard coded

[fickle crest]

he did accept help sometimes, if it's well done, look the 6.6 shinies system, it was done by a player which wanted to help and done it right

[spice sage]

All of the custom sprites, that's all help! And yeah the shiny system was a huge one

[spice sage]

That was all me btw. But Kuray did help for adding the new mons by making the new script to download the japeal autogens

But yeah this game is literally a community project lol. I'd say that counts as a form of external help!

[agile olive]

speaking of that when is the new version of the game going to be on git

[spice sage]

When it releases

[agile olive]

ah the last release is in march, there haven't been any updates since then?

[spice sage]

There have. I don't use the master branch hahah

[agile olive]

Oh I see. I was just looking in the wrong place. thanks

[prime dust]

there's been 2 major updates since then

[agile olive]

I blame git being annoying to navigate

[prime dust]

if you want updated files, get em here

as for what has changed

https://infinitefusion.fandom.com/wiki/Version_History/Changelogs#6.5.0

from that version up to current [6.7.2]

assuming you mean march of this year

if it is march of last year, you're looking at 6 major updates

[inland jewel]

For me the rep stemmed from the fact that there could be more main programmers but you’re still the only main programmer (people have assured me that there are others who are programming too but since they haven’t stepped forward I can’t verify that info)

[spice sage]

That's fair. Yeah I am the only programmer for all intents and purposes. I do accept pull requests by random people when they're well made and are something that I want in the game but they're far and few between.

I wouldn't mind having more people to help out, but it doesn't help that rpg maker is absolutely horrible for collaborative work so that rules out anything maps/events related which is pretty much all that most people who want to help want to do

[inland jewel]

Yeah XP is truly an engine as old as time, but people underestimate the amount of work it takes to even begin the process of moving to another engine

If it’s possible at all

[tropic dew]

Yeah, moving to Godot, in the event that the Godot version of what will be its version of Pokemon Essentials is released, is presumably a long time off from now, and something to be considered well after PIF Hoenn finishes development.

[prime dust]

assuming it is the same version we have now

which is V19

[hushed axle]

Bug fixing staff/helper team when?

[atomic hornet]

If you let me learn by programming that one specific thing, maybe I would be able to help you by now 😤

It would have been top tier shit

[spice sage]

Do itttt!

[atomic hornet]

Lets gooooooo! Check my work after

[trail hull]

Paya is about to make pif hoenn implode

[quaint matrix]

PiF Hoenn about to fast track their release by a week

[atomic hornet]

Hahaha I wish. I'm struggling to start learning programming, and have so many responsibilities. Frog is super talented, it would go a hell of a lot slower with me helping him