#pif-hoenn-discussion

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inland jewel
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Bug having the worst hp makes sense since they got contenders like Shuckle and Forretress in their defensive lineups

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which had high Def/SpDef but piss HP stats

weak trellis
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that being said ice amusingly didn't end up in the bottom 3 for speed which went to rock/ground/steel (aka the sandstorm trio)

inland jewel
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to this day, some of them still exist only as a defensive stance (with their allergies to fast ice types heehee

weak trellis
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still below par but not overwhelmingly so

full bison
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And was therefore only weak to Bug. A type with only two attacking moves. One of which was only on Beedrill. A Poison type.

weak trellis
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yea there was leech life, pin missile, and twineedle and of those I think even a max power pin missile was only like... 90 base power?

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...on something already getting brained by psychic to begin with since over a third of gen 1's dex was poison

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which combined with toxic being a universal TM in gen 1 makes me wonder...

inland jewel
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not to mention that was gen 1 leech life

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which was like 15 bp

rose bloom
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Why do I have a memory that psychic used to be weak to itself

full bison
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The fact that the best abuser of Bug moves was freaking Jolteon is one of the funniest Gen 1 jank tidbits to me

weak trellis
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and even then that's really only if you wanted to take out a psychic with the words "it's super effective!"

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since from what I recall you usually used Decisive Strike Hyper beam or another strong normal move for it

safe depot
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Psychic is fine offensively. Its meant to be a very neutral type, given only two types resist it and one immune to it. (And one of those is psychic itself)

No the biggest issue Psychic has in modern Pokemon is its very bad defensively. Especially as Dark is a top five typing and Ghost is arguably the best type rn. It only resists itself and fighting, which has caused Fairy to basically be better psychic.

IMO, Psychic should resist more, I think Fairy at the very least, but maybe another type as well.

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I would also heavily rebute Psychic being the worst type, given stuff like PsySpam is still very powerful and prominent.

Bug and Rock are very much worse. Hell Normal as well

mint cloud
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is pif hoen different game or in the original

thin pawn
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Different game

loud hawk
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It's quite literally the most balance type interaction wise imo

safe depot
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Still when team building Normal isn’t a priority

clear lichen
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Iron Hands hates being a Physical Electric though

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Because it has dogshit options and is weak to the extremely common Ground type

clear lichen
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Bug is alright defensively but it is utter dogshit offensively

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Meanwhile, Psychic is alright offensively but utter dogshit defensively

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However, one thing Bug has over Psychic is the move department

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Even ignoring U-Turn because everything fucking has U-Turn, on the Special side Bug is more than adequate with Bug Buzz as the primary option

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Though Psychic certainly has it beat when it comes to options (Psychic is the primary option though, which has the same properties as Bug Buzz)

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But Bug has like

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A ton of decent physical moves to pick from

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And Psychic has a grand total of 1 good physical move that kinda just has terrible distribution

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Like you're definitely capable of finding physical Psychic types that just

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Don't have Psychic Fangs

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And just have to use Zen Headbutt

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Which is honestly even worse than Wild Charge, Stone Edge, Play Rough etc

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Me when my 80 BP move has a chance of fucking missing:

safe depot
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At least there’s only like

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What?

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Five physical good psychics?

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And I can only thing of Gallade, Brongzong, Metagross and Bruxish off the top of my head

clear lichen
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Bruxish certainly doesn't count as good

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And Bronzong more often runs special Psychic moves like Psychic Noise

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And is also a pretty low tier Pokemon, albeit it excels in those tiers

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Iron Boulder is a good physical Psychic

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But being a Psychic type is like

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The only thing keeping it out of OU

safe depot
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Bruxish is alright

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Consistently been Mid tier

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Technically better track record than Gallade lol

clear lichen
safe depot
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That’s better than Snorlax

clear lichen
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But yeah I'm sorry I wasn't familiar with Bruxish's game

safe depot
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And would you call Snorlax bad?

clear lichen
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Yes I would

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Snorlax is way past its prime

safe depot
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I meant bad Pokemon overall

clear lichen
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Though nobody is denying its Gen 1 and especially Gen 2 dominance

safe depot
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Its top tier in nearly any mid-to lower tier it finds itself

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That’s still really good

clear lichen
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I mean if it's a top tier in UU then yeah I'd gladly call Snorlax a good Pokemon

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And it was in Gen 5

safe depot
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Not to mention it hard dominated VGC Gen 7 and was banned from Smogon doubled

clear lichen
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But it took a noticeable hit to its viability in Gen 6 UU

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And looking at Gen 4 OU, it seems it is in a similar situation as Dusknoir

safe depot
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Most old but not that old Gens have plenty of that

clear lichen
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Ngl looking at Snorlax's Smogon page is just kinda sad

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Because you just see it falling slowly and surely through the tiers as a result of powercreep

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It's sad

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Like once upon a time this was one of the best Pokemon in the game, and it's even been buffed since then

safe depot
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It happens, there’s over 1k and each tier only has around like 25 Pokemon

clear lichen
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The special stat split does a lot for it

safe depot
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Even greats mons aren’t gonna fit

clear lichen
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Tbh, even if Pokemon had healthy amounts of powercreep, Snorlax probably still would be like

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NU or RU in current gen

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It's just hard for a Pokemon to remain strong after this much time

safe depot
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Snorlax got fucked over by Close Combat

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Its everywhere

clear lichen
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Which really shows how impressive Zapdos is for being capable of doing that

safe depot
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Zapdos is a legendary

clear lichen
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Doesn't make it any less impressive

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Legendaries aren't immune to powercreep

safe depot
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Of course its gonna stay strong. They usually do unless they have bad typings

clear lichen
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Just ask Celebi

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Or Jirachi

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Or Mew

safe depot
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All psychics

clear lichen
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Man, Psychic type fell off

safe depot
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Blame Fairy being better psychic

clear lichen
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I wouldn't say Fairy is the better Psychic

safe depot
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And Knock Off

clear lichen
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I'd say Ghost is

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Ghost has every good type MU that Psychic has in one way or another

safe depot
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Well

clear lichen
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While just being far harder to stop offensively and defensively

safe depot
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That’s just fighting and posipn

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The nerf to Steel was a bad move imo. Steel is also OP. But I think other types should’ve been made neutral on steel

clear lichen
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Considering how like

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The top 1 and 2 offensive types are both pairings with Ghost

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Yeah making it neutral vs Steel was a terrible decision

safe depot
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We just didn’t know it because Pursuit gave some illusion of balance

clear lichen
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You could make a very strong argument for Fairy/Ghost being straight up the best type in the game

safe depot
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On the special side, at least

clear lichen
safe depot
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And then you have Ghost/Fighting for physical

clear lichen
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It's definitely the best type when you consider only offensive prowess

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But it doesn't quite have the defensive profile to allow it to take that spot over other strong offensive types imo

safe depot
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But how do you even nerf ghost?

The only types I can think of to add a resistance onto are already second and third behind it on the type tierlist

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Rock isn’t a bad option

clear lichen
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But like

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That's literally only Dark

safe depot
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Its what a bud and I did for our hack

clear lichen
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And Dark can't be buffed

safe depot
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And Dark is arguably Top five

clear lichen
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Or it'd become broken

safe depot
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Top five types;

Water
Dark
Steel
Fairy
Ghost

clear lichen
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I'd say the only types I consider straight up broken are Fairy, Steel, Water and Ghost

safe depot
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Don’t think there’s any arguing that

clear lichen
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Ground's similarly strong to those types but like

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Idk, it just never feels overwhelming to me

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Maybe for similar reasons Pokemon like Great Tusk and Landorus Therian are never considered broken (outside of Gen 5 Landorus lmao)

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Which is funny since both of those are Ground types

safe depot
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Grounds balanced around Flying and most coverage being Rock moves which are never reliable

clear lichen
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Also if the entire idea behind Great Tusk is that it can't spin unlike Donphan or Iron Treads why does it learn Rapid Spin and Ice Spinner

safe depot
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Gamefreak has no consistency

clear lichen
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I mean I shouldn't complain

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Since those traits make it just like an extremely reliable Pokemon that isn't broken

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But it's weird

quaint matrix
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I've always mentioned this but like in Pokemon there's the Big 5 of types

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Steel, Ghost, Water, Fairy, and Ground

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And Ground has always been the only balanced type of the bunch

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Having extremely bad resistances (besides Rock) is still very notable despite its Electric immunity

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And Flying always being relevant ensures Ground is kept in check

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The other types' resisters are either way too dog to be a good check at this point (Normal against Ghost, Grass against Water) or it's offensiveness is overwhelming enough that it doesn't really matter much (Fairy, Ghost, Water)

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Not to say that Grass is dog but with how the meta kept going every time a Grass is good it's good despite being Grass

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Incidentally Steel was actually dog in terms of offense but then Fairy exists and now it's an actual relevant offensive type

safe depot
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Honestly if it weren't for Stealth Rock I imagine Flying would be elite

quaint matrix
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Oh definitely

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But it'd still probably in the same level as Ground

safe depot
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I'd say Dark over ground

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modern Dark is fucking Nuts

quaint matrix
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I can see the argument

safe depot
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Granted that's like 90% of one move, but you could also argue that for Water and Scald as well

quaint matrix
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Ehhhhh no Water is still incredibly insane in bulk Scald or no

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Scald could be gone and you'd still see a Water mon doing it's usual bulk tank gaming

safe depot
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Eh I wouldn't agree. I feel water is strong but fine. But Scald pushes it over the edge

quaint matrix
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Scald just puts their tank game in ridonk mode

safe depot
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Well

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Scald and Rain

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Rain is just not well designed though

quaint matrix
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Just like how Water isn't well designed Trollgar

safe depot
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Eh

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again I think its fine on its own

sudden jackal
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Couldn't think of a fifth

quaint matrix
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I mean if we're talking in a vacuum I'm sure Ghost isn't exactly a top 5 either

safe depot
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But I think that's cause more Water types are fine. Its just a select few like Alolamola and Toxepex that take it over the edge

quaint matrix
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In a balance sort of way if Normals are way better and Dark is more prominent than just being tech picks Ghost can be curbed

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But that's not really where we are right now lol

safe depot
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Well

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Ghost has the Fairy issue

quaint matrix
safe depot
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All of its switch ins are countered by one coverage move

quaint matrix
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Water can seem fine because there's a lot of dogshit Water types counterbalancing it

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If a Water mon is designed even a little competently it'll immediately do the work

safe depot
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I mean in modern power creep that's pretty difficult

quaint matrix
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I mean if you look at the lower tiers a lot of the time Water is always a big rep

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And it's been consistent across every gens

safe depot
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That's because there's so many

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Could argue the same for Flying and Normal as well

quaint matrix
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There's a lot of Grass and Normal mons too but you don't really see them becoming a big part of the meta

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Either tech picks or aggro leads at most

safe depot
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God Swampert in NU what the fuck is Paldea comp

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I'm not arguing that water is remotely bad

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I'm arguing its only broken because of Scald (and Rain)

torn crane
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Meanwhile sun team with ground type as setters, and grass type as speedsters

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(it's a slander)

hardy remnant
sudden jackal
hardy remnant
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Oh, okay.

safe depot
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That was at SVs launch

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A few more get it now

hardy remnant
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Vaporeon gets it now.

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Or just got it at launch, I'm not sure.

safe depot
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Yeah there's a few more under Slowbro

inland jewel
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despite that- Alo had risen to OU due to its bulk as a physical wall

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when before it was hovering around like RU or PU

random dragon
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If manaphy got in, I hope it gets take heart, it’s just calm mind but it heals status

inland jewel
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there is also Dondozo & his Unaware wall strats

safe depot
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Alo gets Scald now

inland jewel
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after the dlc update yeah

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but it was OU before that

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out of 25 OU pokes- 7 are water types is crazy

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zero as rain setters & only Alo knows Scald

random dragon
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Alolamola can go die in a hole for all I care, That thing is a menace when fused with doublade.

safe depot
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Rain isn't good in OU pretty much because of Ogrepon Wellspring and Raging Bolt iirc

muted solstice
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If we ever get the paradox mons I can’t wait to use fire fairy flutter mane

safe depot
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This series won’t ever be going past Gen 7 unless there are somehow major breakthroughs and updates to the version of Essentials they ise

velvet root
safe depot
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Eh perfectly fair, they're fine games but extremely overprice and very embarassing for the highest grossing franchise in media

weak trellis
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I've noticed that gens 3, 6, and 8 are usually the three big cut-off points for a lot of the fans that prefer the "older games"

muted solstice
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Yea

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Gen 7 was good

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Gen 8 had a big feel to it but not good story

weak trellis
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gen 8's plot feels like it wanted to just go back to basics and focus on characters but they were told about 80% of the way in that they had a list of gen 3-7 "Big Climax" tropes that they were required to fulfill and did so all in the last 10% of gameplay just to get it out of the way lol

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gen 6 kinda feels the same way though in that case replace "characterization" with ..."Megas and Marketing"

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and they still popped the climax too early there so you spend the next 10 or so levels in that game doing basically nothing but marching to the final gym leader (while Swish just immediately jumps into the champion fight right after Floating Hand Boss)

muted solstice
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I wish we could’ve used eternamax eternatus

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Even a nerfed version like with ultra necrozma

ancient jasper
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Bro never gonna make it into IF

viscid remnant
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will the alternate deoxys forms be in the next game

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seeing as its from gen 3

thin pawn
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I think no but I'm not sure

viscid fossil
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It's theoretically possible, but unlikely

vital spire
inland jewel
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otherwise zero

viscid remnant
sacred pagoda
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Has it been confirmed if the hoenn sequel will have a second region connected to it?

inland jewel
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so no 2nd region until like 3 years

sacred pagoda
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I hope we get both Hoenn and Sinnoh I'd love that. And I waited 13 years for KH3

I can wait 3 for PIF sequel 2nd region

trail hull
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first we get to play hoenn and then maybe we talk about sinnoh

full bison
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It will probably be something like the Battle Frontier

sacred pagoda
inland jewel
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sinnoh would be nice, but i can see it being Alola region

sacred pagoda
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I'd accept Alola too shookani

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Unpopular opinion but I actually love Alola

full bison
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Alola has the issue of "how the hell do we adapt this into 2D?" Cause it's map is clearly designed around being 3D

sacred pagoda
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100%

Though I mean that's most pokemon games including their remakes

BDSP doesn't count it doesn't exist if I pretend it doesn't exist

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Imagine trying to adapt Paldea into pixel XD

inland jewel
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if they did take the time to map it, then fitting it into the 2nd half of Hoenn which is several water routes plus also gives us the Alola starters which are still missing

sacred pagoda
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One of these days I'll have Primarina. It's my favorite one

Though I'm sure Incineroar could make amazing fusions. Something to make it look better

full bison
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Alola would also mean Ultra Beasts, which I'm more than ok with

sacred pagoda
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Same. We need more than just Necrozma

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I want Blacephelon I prolly spelled that wrong

clear lichen
sacred pagoda
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Oh nice. A for effort but still an F for failure rip

viscid fossil
sacred pagoda
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You can catch them without beast balls, it's just not 100% catch rate anymore

viscid fossil
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Huh, it's more likely than I thought it was at least

sacred pagoda
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One of my big hopes in the sequel... being able to get additional boxes

viscid fossil
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actually comparable to catching normal legendries in regular pokeballs
I forgot their base catch rate was 45 and not 3

sacred pagoda
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Sequel not remake mb

viscid fossil
sacred pagoda
viscid fossil
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Can't wait for someone to attempt a true living dex
with a save file for each pokemon's head fusions

sacred pagoda
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Anyone who attempts a true living dex... respect

Considering for every new pokemon added, that spawns over 1000 new fusions

muted solstice
sacred pagoda
muted solstice
sacred pagoda
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Oh

muted solstice
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Lumi platnium is a hack that fixes em

sacred pagoda
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Sorry I'm losing my mind rn -w-

clear lichen
sacred pagoda
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They didn't release a platinum remake

clear lichen
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D/P/P does stand for Diamond/Pearl/Platinum and as far as anyone is concerned it's only a remake of DP

sacred pagoda
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Last I checked. I'm pretty sure BDSP did what ORAS did and crammed the plot into the third game mixing with the other two

muted solstice
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They didn’t

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There’s no giratina stuff aside from turn back cave

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Pla did it tho

weak trellis
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we wanted a platinum remake tho that's the thing lol

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mostly because HG/SS was more of a remake of Crystal with GS exclusives tacked on and that set a tough bar for future remakes to follow

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(ignore HG/SS being the slowest pokemon game in the entire series rofl)

muted solstice
full bison
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Remaking Diamond and Pearl could have worked if they actually added a decent amount of new things to them, like ORAS did.

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I seriously doubt there wasn't a way to work Dynamax lore into the game featuring the God of spatial dimensions.

thin pawn
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I heard a theory that they planned for PLA to be the Gen 4 remake but then it became a completely different game, so they contracted another company to rush out a remake in time for the holidays

rancid nymph
full bison
rancid nymph
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Nah, BDSP is better without that garbage

muted solstice
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Dynamax was cool, but it really was made for galar, adding it to another reigon just wouldn’t have worked

lofty spindle
muted solstice
weak trellis
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"time?"

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"same deal rofl"

weak trellis
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then again knowing GF they could have both just been planned out as such since the very start, hard to say

thin pawn
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That makes sense

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Ironic that the more wacky game was super well recieved and the more traditional one was pretty hated

weak trellis
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I've noticed that

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probably because while not being a spin-off it does fulfill that niche that GO kinda put a stop to of spinoffs with no mobile basis at all since I think the last one before ||poketopia|| was... detective pikachu in terms of new franchise and I think the PMD remake in terms of most recent game

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if we don't count remakes then new snap I believe

inland jewel
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it more that the traditional game didn't have ANY of the things that people loved of the sinnoh region

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no battle frontier/tower, no platinum dex/changes, etc

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it was just... the same game, but newer

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sure there was the revamped underground, but like that only made you have more pokemon variety

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the secret bases were gutted

vital spire
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Hot take, but I enjoyed BDSP for what it was.

inland jewel
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i didn't say it wasn't a fun game, just when comparing it to what the fans want, it fell short

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because how come Pokemon Platinum is just an objectively better game than pokemon BDSP even though its 10 years older?

prime dust
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improving the character sprites alone would have been a massive step up

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they had 3 [with a 4th in the works] other games to pull from

hushed axle
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All they had to do was give us the platinum dex and it would’ve been great imo

vital spire
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Platinum being better than BDSP is something I completely agree with, even though I dislike use of the word "objectively" in the context of opinions.

hollow plume
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Question, will I finally be able to get the Furret/mightyena of my dreams?

thin pawn
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No, that fusion specifically will not be available

hollow plume
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):

prime dust
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PIF Hoenn might come out either late this year [Dec if we are lucky] or sometime next year

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at least a demo anyway

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which will go up to Slateport

last vault
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Lesgoo for pif hoenn in december!

prime dust
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note the "might"

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that info isn't guaranteed, Frog did state ahwile back that it was looking more like it would be next year rather than this one

hard jungle
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hoenn was my favor reagion.

hallow thicket
last vault
summer apex
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oh we doin predictions now

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pif hoenn tomorrow!!!!!!!!!!

inland jewel
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and a nominal expectation would be january to early february

summer apex
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nope

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tomorrow

inland jewel
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well damn

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i guess i gotta let frog know he gotta release it tomorrow

summer apex
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please do

inland jewel
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and then he'll tell me that for each time i say that he is delaying it another month

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don't worry i;; remind him everyday

summer apex
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please do!

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it would be so funny

inland jewel
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PIF Hoenn in 2038

thin pawn
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pif hoenn yesterday

muted solstice
thin pawn
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Never do today what can be put off till tomorrow

molten loom
muted solstice
acoustic compass
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A question that's been on my mind for a while, but will The Tynamo be getting a Hidden Ability when they are added into IF, in the vain of Darkrai getting White Smoke as a Hidden Ability?

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I ask because the Tynamo's main draw is being a pure Electric with Levitate, IE a mon with no weakness.

That kinda gets thrown out the window given That they can fusw with other pokemon.

Don't get me wrong, no fusion would complain about a ground immunity, just something that crossed my mind.

full bison
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We don't know for now

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Pokemon that lack hidden abilities have been given hidden abilities in the past, but there's no guarantee that it will happen

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I would be down for Eelektross getting Electric Surge or Galvanize, but that's ultimately all up to Frog's discretion

acoustic compass
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Gotcha

chilly sphinx
pastel badge
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is the randomizer gonna come out with the game or will we have to wait

prime dust
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full release i could see it cropping up, but not for the demo

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but it all depends on how easy it is to add in

sterile spoke
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I'd imagine it's pretty easy. Hoenn's basically only adding to IF and swapping out the maps. Nothing should be lost along the way. 🙂

torn crane
full bison
molten loom
muted solstice
shell dragon
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will hoenn be apart of the same map or will it be a seperate map

thin pawn
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Seperate map

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New game

shell dragon
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ok

sudden jackal
cosmic orchid
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Wait they're adding Hoenn?

quaint matrix
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Technically no

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We just happen to have a new PiF game coming which is set in Hoenn

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But they're not added to the original PiF we all know and love

sudden jackal
grave jolt
muted solstice
bitter rampart
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Finally. pif 2.

solar elbow
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Im excited for hoenn emerald was my first pokemon game Despair

honest isle
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Will the OG game get the full Hoenn dex added as well?

viscid fossil
honest isle
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Ohh, cool 😄 Transfer only will make things interesting.

summer apex
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-# iirc frog has already stated that transfer-only mons will not count towards dex completion for magic boots

inland jewel
proud lion
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With that, I made every head and body of each newly revealed Pokemon

hallow thicket
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I hope that Hoenn will have all the cool settings regular infinite fusion has, like the Randomizers

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I always love seeing what cool starters I run into

sudden jackal
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We just have to be patient happo

muted solstice
prime dust
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no that'd be time

next flare
thin pawn
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It's been a couple of months how are you already doom posting about pif hoenn

vagrant ferry
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we got pif hoen doom posting before gta 6 😔

humble lantern
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we prolly gonna get pig hoenn before gta 6

viscid fossil
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Pig hoenn?
Like grumpig?

rose bloom
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is that like pig latin?

hushed axle
rose bloom
fallen loom
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Worst part about IF Hoenn:
Not out

Best part about IF Hoenn:
Everything else

jaunty geyser
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Wait, hoenn region incoming ??? PPl_POG

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oooh ok

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rose bloom
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yeah they can't add more regions to the current game because gamemaker dumb

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but tbf if they could you'd just be adventuring at level 100 lol

thin pawn
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Yeah adventuring at level 100 doesn't sound particularly fun to be honest

rose bloom
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To be honest adventuring gets a lot less fun after you pass the max evo level lol. I love working for evos but levels just for stats and moves is kinda eh

inland jewel
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Doesn’t help that Johto decreases the levels so that if you use your team from the league you’re like 10 levels over

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And it doesn’t get better till like Johto gym 4-5

rose bloom
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Yeah the leveling scaling is... interesting, in places

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Lowkey I'd like to see a pokemon game where levels are scaled based on badges acquired and its non-linear heehee

vital spire
inland jewel
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Now to me it seems as simple as run a check upon entering the gym to check badge count, then give the trainers leveled mons accordingly

vital spire
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It's a romhack, but it has both of those.

inland jewel
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But idk how bad it is to program that

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Especially if you want the teams to make sense and be different enough

rose bloom
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Tbh I kinda can't be assed to fw romhacks when fan games are just an easy install lol

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maybe I will one day

vital spire
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The Sevii Islands are there, too.

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https://www.pokecommunity.com/threads/pokemon-r-o-w-e-2-0-an-open-world-version-of-pokémon-emerald-gen-9-16-badges-sevii-islands-following-pokémon-costumes-and-much-more.442592/

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Pokémon R.O.W.E is an open-world take on Hoenn and the Sevii Islands, designed for easy team-building without the need for breeding. Every Pokémon is available from the start, offering endless team possibilities. With multiple gameplay modes, modern mechanics up to Gen 9, and tons...

full bison
rose bloom
weak trellis
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ROWE feels fine until the E4 where there's an absolutley nightmarish difficulty spike

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imo pokemon as a whole isn't really meant to be difficult outside of maybe self-imposed stuff and postgame challenges. it's like Kirby in that regard

vital spire
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You can always train to Level 100, though.

jaunty geyser
rose bloom
weak trellis
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oh oops I didn't realize we were in Hoenn discussion my bad

jaunty geyser
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Ooh ok

weak trellis
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but yea I don't recall having to go up to 100 for ROWE but I probably would anyway for the E4

jaunty geyser
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Well then if we can transfer our mon, it's just feels like what I was thinking, just it has to be on a new thing

rose bloom
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its on a new thing because of silly rpg maker map limits that the devs didnt plan for and now is a huge pain to go back and retrofit
buuut the point about levels still makes a new game probably make more sense

quaint matrix
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I'm just wondering if like

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There's a reason to stick around on the old RPGMaker where Frog made this game

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Because surely the new versions have people making their own Pokemon Essentials

rose bloom
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mainly cuz poké essentials does the lion's share of the work for getting all the pokemon core mechanics etc. down

quaint matrix
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Is it really just on RPGMaker XP (the program Frog made these two PiFs on)

rose bloom
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no idea never looked but I assume frog has

quaint matrix
rose bloom
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only mr frog himself could answer

quaint matrix
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Yeah I looked around it seems like Poke Essentials will only ever be on XP

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Pretty sadge

hushed axle
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The devs of essentials have stated that they’re working on a similar project with Godot engine

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It’s not gonna be essentials 2.0 but it will be similar (and will likely be able to be used to make Pokemon fan games)

rose bloom
hushed axle
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I’d like to clarify real quick, it is highly unlikely that frog will transfer PIF to anything other than the version of essentials that it’s built on now. I highly doubt that he wasn’t to redo 10+ years of development heehee

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But this will be a huge win for fangames in the future happo

rose bloom
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I wouldn't expect so

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But its exciting for future projects, not even just PIF projects

quaint matrix
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Hell yea

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If it's eventually gotten a stable release I'm sure Frog would be excited to do a new PiF with Godot

hushed axle
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PIF: Sinnoh in Godot Quagless

thin pawn
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Coming 2035

hushed axle
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Probably heehee

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Us @ frog

thin pawn
tacit saddle
rough wraith
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Is a mobile port of pif hoenn possible? Or too much work?

sudden jackal
tacit saddle
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well, the thing is

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mobile has proven tricky to update

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it took us a month or so to get mobile updated after the last major update

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we might have to cut our losses at some point -- within our team, a lot of us consider mobile the "problem child" out of all of the platforms

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we have NO idea how hoenn is gonna behave with mobile. it's something that'll have to be tested

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@rough wraith this making sure you see

rough wraith
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Okay, thanks for the update and the hard work with the problem child heehee

prime dust
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chromebook is just as bad if not worse in some ways

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given that not many people have succeeded in getting the game to work on chromebook

hexed agate
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Isn't the Chromebook solution built on the Android solution?

torn crane
sudden jackal
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Or late December

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But most likely next year

prime dust
hushed axle
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Android are the only files that are different and the only ones that can’t be updated via an updater

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The issue with Chromebook is just the lack of knowledge we have of it which makes it hard to do tech support with

warm prism
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oVo
New PiF game?

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(I am a birdbrain. My profile pic is a bird for a reason.)

prime dust
prime dust
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given that lack, it too may eventually hit a sum 0 point where we are forced to drop it due to issues with tech support

lunar torrent
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So I have been wondering is this still coming out this year?

full bison
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Probably not

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At most it will be late December

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Most likely later than that

hidden relic
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But still probably not

inland jewel
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The entire hoenn experience will be done in 2 years min

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since demo to slateport is late december if lucky, but more likely Jan-Feb

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we dont know the next milestone that Frog will go to for the next major update after that, but it will most likely ome out May-June or Oct-Nov of next year if things go to schedule. If not then again pushed back to December-Feb 2027, and then the next milestone after that will be November again

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though looking at the timing of major updates, its always been November/February

shadow magnet
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Hope Frog takes a lot of time to update the contest system and add funny lil secrets and easter eggs

tropic dew
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because iirc you CAN make 3D games in Godot, so...

hushed axle
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Seems likes it’s planned to be supported but it won’t be right away

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And I mean if you’re skilled enough w/ Godot and coding, you could very well do it yourself before essentials officially supports it! Godot engine being an actual modern game engine and not a 20+ year old outdated unoptimized game engine opens up so many more possibilities for fangames

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In theory, if you knew what you were doing, you could make a BW style game right now in Godot, it’ll just be you starting from scratch the same way they did

tropic dew
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makes sense

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You have to at least know your way around Blender if you want to even think of attempting to create 3D games in Godot, so yeah. Fortunately, the maps and buildings in the DS-era games aren't too terribly complex; a lot of it was making use of fixed camera angles to hide a lot of jank that lurked under the hood

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That said, a PIF style game wouldn't work if the whole thing made the jump to 3D, as you'd kind of have to settle on a singular design for a fusion instead of being able to make use of one of many designs for a specific fusion like the way it's set up now. Also translating a 2D sprite into a 3D model from the ground up and all that...

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SIGNIFICANTLY more work

clear lichen
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Ngl making that many models just sounds like hell

tropic dew
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But a D/P/Pt or B&W/B2W2 style game that still uses 2D Pokemon sprites would be way more manageable

clear lichen
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3D PIF coming in the next 500 years

tropic dew
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lel

clear lichen
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Gen 200 is out, and finally there's a PIF game in a 3D style consisting of the first 7 generations. Would you play it?

tropic dew
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... yeah probably.

clear lichen
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Well, assuming you somehow found out how to halt ageing

tropic dew
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assuming so, yeah.

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Realistically, if PIF broke away from a strict emulation of the visual style of Gen IV/Gen V when jumping to a new platform, I could at least see the maps and buildings being much more detailed, or like... maybe with higher resolution textures or something.

hallow valve
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oh, maybe gen 5 style?

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i really like gen 5's style with the 3d buildings

28.png
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oh wait.

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you said /gen V

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😭 sorry i cannot read.

hexed agate
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Honestly, you guys are shooting way too far with the advantages

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Godot has something RPG Maker doesn't

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Version control and ability to have more than one person working the files at once

unkempt kernel
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Imagine if pif was made in unreal or unity (would take a while probs but unity works for 2d versions)

hallow valve
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its a pretty powerful game engine but i feel like it shines most with smaller projects

hexed agate
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RPG Maker has the advantage that it can run on pretty much anything made after 2003

hexed agate
hallow valve
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but yeah its def better for smaller projects with a solo developer or small team

hexed agate
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One of its best features is the fact that it is more CPU-heavy, you can feasibly run it without integrated graphics

hushed axle
hexed agate
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If it can post, it can likely run it

hushed axle
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If you have windows pro, there’s like a 70% chance it won’t run the game huehue

hexed agate
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It may take you a while, but you can feasibly get it to

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Just VM it clueless

trail hull
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<@&306953740651462656>

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Thank you

stable barn
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ok this might sound stupid but is that channel talking about adding hoenn to the game?

shell dragon
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hoenn will be a seperate map/game

stable barn
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ooo

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that’s cool :3

prime dust
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completely separate game, PIF at current is too close to the rpgmaker map limit to add in hoenn

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map limit is 999

we're using like 849 of those

slim otter
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We need a pinned message that only says
"We're making a sequel game! Hoenn will be in the new game, not in PIF1!"

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This has to be the most common question here

sudden jackal
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Yeah

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Idek why ppl think it's gonna be a update we've never made a whole channel for a update before

viscid fossil
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I'd argue that this channel was made for a whole update, back in 2023 when it was called #new-pokemon-discussion

slim otter
inland jewel
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to be fair- people that ask weret i the server whe it was revealed

slim otter
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They hear "Hey, PIF is adding Hoenn!"
The part about hoenn being a new game doesn't get passed along

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It's like a game of telephone

inland jewel
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like thats updates fro all the way at April they be see

sudden jackal
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Fair

inland jewel
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buried by like 16 essages

slim otter
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Yeah, I was surprised to see I have a message pinned here heehee
I don't remember what the context for it was

shy condor
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Wait hoenn is getting added to pif ?!

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Dont kill me

viscid fossil
inland jewel
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Broke keyboard

viscid fossil
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ah.

inland jewel
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botto row is issig

slim otter
viscid fossil
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I don't have an s key right now, i'm just hitting ctrl+v
But I guess you need a bottom row to do that

inland jewel
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if i was less lazy

slim otter
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It's like this

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viscid fossil
slim otter
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Due to a national letter e shortage, the government urges people to stop communicating bfor w all run out of that lttr

viscid fossil
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oh no, w nd an xprt at this.
@firsword2526

Oh no it's too lat to call thm

slim otter
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In a strok3 of g3nius, the gov3rnm3nt has b3gun th3ir numb3r-l3tt3r substitution program

outer matrix
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there is a book that doesn't use the letter e

molten loom
slim otter
molten loom
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it was FirswordMMDLXII

rancid nymph
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Yes, I did spend more time then I should’ve forming that sentence, thank you for asking

quaint matrix
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🔫

rancid nymph
trail hull
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Thank you frog for this fantastic update

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I’m also glad that the French translation got released

velvet root
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Spanish and German sound like kinda important ones too

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"Important"

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So I hope those come in the future too

prime dust
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0 chance of that, i'm honestly surprised frog even allowed that given past issues with translations

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i assume if the future updates to this game are minimalized then it would be doable since it would just be a matter of making sure we have people from those channels who can properly translate everything

golden rampart
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hey often startet a playtrough but nerver finished it i have seen they added a new game plus so thought i need to finish it what do xou guys recomment classic mode or remix

prime dust
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you need to beat the E4 to unlock it

golden rampart
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i know

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i have seen it yesterday XD

dusty arrow
velvet root
prime dust
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it is part of the FAQ in game suggestions

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while i know things have changed with the game since then, i don't know if that is still true

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it is possible with future updates that the french aspect could end up getting dropped

velvet root
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I dont see your point

prime dust
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?

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the point is clear

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if you don't see it then i can't assist you

gray vine
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I also dont see it

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You just posted an old FAQ that already has now been disproven

trail hull
quaint matrix
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Well I don't know what the point was seeing a new exciting update feature and go "but this FAQ says this feature turns out very poorly so clearly this will get dropped later in future updates"

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Like let's maybe give it time lol

prime dust
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i didn't say it will get dropped, i said it could end up getting dropped

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do not misqoute me

prime dust
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not trying to be rude about this or anything

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i swear it always seems to come out that way when i voice an oppinion or something, even if i'm being genuinely curious or worried

alpine estuary
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Its the 67 update

feral spear
# prime dust *i swear it always seems to come out that way when i voice an oppinion or someth...

hey it's normal that people wonder about that don't worry! Regarding the translation the French version is just a file in the Data folder "french.dat" so modification or deletion will be done in one click and regarding the maintenance of this French version as frog said he doesn't want anything to do with it and we manage the new features! And suppose that we decide to stop tomorrow a huge part will have been done, the names of the pokemon will remain translated even for the new ones (we have done the 1024), the essential items and attacks too and the main story should not change too much over the years and will always please the French to discover at least the essential in their language

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And the system is great for compatibility (big thank for pokemon essential for that) imagine that new versions came out and the new line is not translate yet so if the game doesn't found the French translation it's will say "okay so i put just the English one"

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And it's make people from other language show it's now possible to do it in their own language and implement it (like a small team begin to do it in Italian rn if you want to know)

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I don't think I've ever spoken so much to say that I'm happy that Pif can be easily multilingual now xD

prime dust
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👍

tacit saddle
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now ill ominously not elaborate because i dont know if im allowed to

inland jewel
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I feel like wit hthe release of the french translation, any hopes of this game getting a major update seems less likely

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which would be why he is okay with a translation NOW

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since most future updates which would drastically change translations are now going to PIF 2

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so any changes to be added to base PIF are just going to be bug fixes, and expanded features but nothing story/dialogue intensive

sterile spoke
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Yeah that seems about right; IF is essentially completed at this point in terms of content and story, so all the new efforts will be going into the sequel. 🙂

chrome stratus
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hoen suck

velvet root
chrome stratus
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too much land

proud lion
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Imagine we get Shadow dropped a new legendary (s) in PIF Hoenn with the new Legendary mode

thin pawn
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Manifesting Cosmog 🙏

regal meadow
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I haven’t heard any news on hoenn, wish we got more teasers more often it gets me excited for my favorite generation

thin pawn
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I imagine it'll take a while for any more teasers

faint pebble
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when does this game potentially drop?

molten loom
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when its ready

slim otter
spice sage
regal meadow
hexed agate
inland jewel
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Port showing a little ankle

hexed agate
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Scandalous!

muted solstice
hexed agate
spiral musk
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I just realized the castform was wearing an emo wig from the icon decoration and not that it got munched DSpheal

hexed agate
shadow magnet
spiral musk
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nah we're obviously getting marshadow Quagless

hexed agate
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When, Frog, WHEN?!

proud lion
tropic dew
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Not that Orre is confirmed to be postgame, mind you, it's all speculation.

shadow magnet
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I could see at as a "this would be cool" project to work on a few years into pif hoenn's release, kind of like with the rocket questline we have in kanto now. shadows could just be palette swaps, like how we used to have with the shinies. but I would be really surprised to see shadows make it into base pif hoenn

tropic dew
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AFAIK Shadow Pokemon were typically just Pokemon with dark auras; Shadow Lugia from XD was a major exception, as is Shadow Mewtwo.

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Granted, the latter is a Shadow Pokemon by name only, as the method of corruption is notably different from the artificial closing of the Pokemon's heart that we know from Colosseum and XD.

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But yeah, if we had Orre as a part of the postgame, it'd likely come way later. Maybe as a sort of a second postgame.

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Beyond possible postgame locales, though... as far as I know, in an effort to help Hoenn feel more robust as a region, there's going to be more locations to visit than the ones from the original RSE games and possible ORAS location transplants, such as Anime and Movie locales, such as LaRousse City from Destiny Deoxys and the like.

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and of course, revisiting certain Event Islands shared between FRLG and RSE via ferry in Slateport.

shadow magnet
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they weren't just different in color, they had shadow moves

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they also couldn't level up until they were purified

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I saw one fan game do it recently but I forget which

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I also don't know if we need the whole shadow system though, might just be a lot of bloat

viscid fossil
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No level ups, no tms, no evolving

shadow magnet
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I would definitely love to see the anime locations and easter eggs :D

prime dust
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first anime easter egg is just brock giving you a jelly donut

charred agate
tropic dew
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lel

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But yeah, I figure that the Mirage Spots and other Legendary spawn locations from ORAS will be transplanted, and also probably accessible on foot or via surfing when specific conditions are met, kinda like how the Secret Grotto in PIF could only be accessed if you beat your Rival in the optional Route 22 encounter before fighting Brock.

viscid fossil
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I genuinely laughed when yugioh-gx referred to the rice balls as "whatever it is I'm holding"
Not even 4kids knows anymore

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It's especially funny because they were previously established to be "stuffed pastries"

tropic dew
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So yeah, Mirage Spots that will be accessible via hidden entrances instead of trying to implement a Soaring mechanic that might not work with the specific version of Essentials Frog is working with, Anime-original locations added to the Hoenn map, and MAYBE being able to return to certain Event Islands that are shared between RSE and FRLG.

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since it's unknown what bits of original RSE will remain, and what stuff from ORAS will be adopted instead, Like whether we're getting the Abandoned Ship AKA the S.S. Cactus, or Sea Mauville, or somehow we end up with both because reasons.

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I feel like a majority of stuff will be from RSE, though we'll probably see both Aqua and Magma get their ORAS glow-ups in sprite form.

full bison
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Frog likes to add more organic means of obtaining off-gen Pokemon than the Mirage Spots. I personally imagine they'd just be a quest thing that leads to getting Hoopa

agile olive
white pier
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Make the post game a canonical timeskip that puts you in the ORAS version of the map? (re: 'if we somehow end up with both')

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And then add in a celebi encounter/thing to Go Back to the other map if people want to

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Pokemon has canonical time travel after all

tropic dew
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eh, seems like a bit much

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and besides, ORAS is an alternate timeline, not the future

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I feel like the only bits borrowed from ORAS, as far as locations go, will probably be the Mirage Spots you encounter Legendaries in, though for some Legendaries/Mythicals you'd have to go to their associated Event Island instead. Like Lugia/Ho-Oh, you'd go to Navel Rock as in PIF and FRLG+RSE, since Sea Mauville would be a difficult map to implement compared to keeping the Abandoned Ship from RSE.

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As far as the plot, however... I remember spitballing an idea where it's more or less identical to RSE, but then a major deviation occurs when we have an oncoming meteor to worry about, at which point the PIF-verse version of Zinnia makes herself known, and not only do we have to awaken Rayquaza to calm Groudon and Kyogre, since Mega Evolution isn't a thing in the PIF timeline we can't rely on a Mega Rayquaza ex Machina to save Hoenn, so we go for the next best thing, and facilitate a Triple Fusion between Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza, to create a beast powerful enough to one-shot the meteor.

weak trellis
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late but yea ORAS was the first instance of having an Obligatory Legendary Parade for the sake of providing them in the current gen since previous gens all usually had more involved events for em

full bison
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And Frog has so far shown a preference towards involved Legendary events, so I will stand by Mirage Spots not being how they're obtained

trail hull
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Do you guys think we would get something special for 750k members?

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It’s just 14k members away

full bison
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If it would be anything, I imagine it would be a big update on Hoenn stuff, like maybe contests or more secret base news

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Certainly can't see it being more Pokemon getting added considering we're getting 71

trail hull
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Yeah

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Or if we get one it could just be victini

tropic dew
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Like... I found it interesting in terms of the story that you got to befriend a Legendary as early as beating the Mauville Gym, but in terms of game balance, it threw things out of wack on account of Mega Latias and Mega Latios steamrolling through a good chunk of the story afterwards

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It doesn't help that Soaring, as a mechanic, relied exclusively on your chosen Eon Legendary.

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I feel like it'd be simpler to structure the plot more closely to Emerald, with some deviations here and there, as previously stated.

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I do think that it would be interesting to incorporate certain events triggering that are dependent upon having specific Pokemon in your party, or having caught or transferred specific Pokemon. I know Mirage Spots are frowned upon, but I do like the idea of unlocking specific areas to encounter certain Pokemon at certain times that depend on a variety of factors, but you could definitely take it a step further and base quests around them for sure.

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We already have tons of quests in PIF that rely heavily upon going to specific areas at certain timeframes, so adding additional conditions feels like a logical conclusion

weak trellis
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could maybe reimagine them as like mini-dungeons rather than just a cave with a legend in it

tropic dew
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exactly

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like... the dimensional rifts alone could be a reason to bring in Cynthia, and have her refer to the events of the PIF postgame

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which would definitely be interesting, as canonically, the events of Kanto and Hoenn were roughly concurrent with one another, or at least happened within the same year

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and of course, in lieu of a Soaring mechanic, one could only accesss these repurposed Mirage Spots via hidden entrances in the areas that they are geographically closest to, bringing to mind the Secret Grotto in PIF that could only be accessed if you beat your rival in the optional Route 22 encounter before fighting Brock.

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The Rifts could be placed near significant locales, but one could repurpose the Storm cloud soaring encounters as comparatively simpler roaming encounters heralded by stormy weather

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and then you could also bring back the FRLG event islands we visited in PIF if we wanted to encounter Ho-Oh/Lugia in the postgame and also fulfill the conditions to encounter one of the Legendary Beasts in the Trackless Forest, as well as Deoxys after destroying the meteor, or catch the other Eon legendary that wasn't roaming Hoenn, and so on.

thin pawn
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I like the idea of getting a legendary fairly early as long as it doesn't throw game balance out the window

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Like getting a Zygarde and slowly upgrading it as you progress the game was a cool idea, even if the execution kinda sucked

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Just don't give us a mega legendary after like the third gym

tropic dew
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right

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FORTUNATELY, Megas are not a thing in the PIF timeline, and instead we have fusions

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realistically if we followed the plot beat of befriending one of the Eon duo after beating Mauville Gym, as in ORAS, it would mean we'd get our first taste of having a Legendary to fuse with. Sort of a teaser of what is to come in the endgame and postgame.

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rather than a 700 BST Mega beatstick that trivializes the rest of the Gym circuit.

frozen finch
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honestly I feel like the early Mega Latios/Latias would've been better if ANYONE OUTSIDE OF THE TAIL END OF THE MAIN STORY USED MEGAS.

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like, Winona's ace is Altaria!! Give her a Mega Altaria!!

tropic dew
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Yeah, they totally destroyed the story's difficulty for sure.

frozen finch
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That alone probably would've made it less of a stomp considering its new fairy typing would have made it not be "press dragon move, win" when actually using the Mega Lati

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Honestly that's a similar problem to what X/Y has, the only two that actually use Megas are Lysandre and Diantha

tropic dew
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In any case, that's not a problem we would have to worry about in PIF Hoenn, as realistically, Latias or Latios would be the only Legendary we'd have access to prior to the postgame, at least until we gain the means to Dive near the endgame, either via HM Move, or HM replacement item and I dunno, beat the Sealed Chamber puzzle before reaching Sootopolis.

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and even then, at most you'd have access to would be the original three Regis in addition to your chosen Eon Legendary, since Regigas would be locked to postgame, if the method to obtain them were mostly the same as it was in ORAS.

rancid nymph
tropic dew
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don't you also get her other Lucario afterwards because it managed to bond with you or something?

clear lichen
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Gym Leaders have used Pokemon that aren't of their type but only really when there's no other option

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That said it would be funny to just bring an Electric type to the gym and have the gym leader bring out an Electric Resist that proceeds to sweep you with Pixilate Returns and Earthquakes after a Dragon Dance

rancid nymph
tropic dew
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Ah

full bison
tropic dew
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yeah...

grave nymph
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wait is it gonna be a whole new game

sterile spoke
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Yes. 😄

grave nymph
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ohh

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cool

sterile spoke
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IF as it is has so many maps that it's inches away from breaking RPG Maker, so this is a fresh start. 😄

grave nymph
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why wouldnt they js make it an update tho?

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ohh

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okay

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cool

sterile spoke
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I think the max is 999, and we're either really close to that or the game's so big from all the sprites and fusions that any more would just make RPG Maker die. 😂

grave nymph
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this u bru 😭

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grave nymph
sterile spoke
grave nymph
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yeah smart

grave nymph
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hes cool

sterile spoke
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It's funny because I had the name before IF, so when I first made a sprite, Rayquaza was the head. 😄

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The sprite that started it all. 🙂

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grave nymph
grave nymph
sterile spoke
grave nymph
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it has this too 😭

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grave nymph
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i wanna get into sprite making too but idrk where to start

sterile spoke
grave nymph
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do u advice me to read all of it

sterile spoke
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My first ever sprites from 2010 are awful and are basically what happen if you don't listen to #spriting-guidelines . 😂

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sterile spoke
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I just use MS Paint, and then GIMP for transparency, like an old-timer. 😛

grave nymph
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WHAT IS THE TV SUPPOSED TO BE

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😭

sterile spoke
grave nymph
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HAHAHAHA

agile olive
proud lion
grave nymph
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hahahaha

agile olive
grave nymph
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what program should i use if i js start spriting

agile olive
grave nymph
sudden jackal
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Voltorb and electrode are easy to start with

sterile spoke
tacit saddle
tacit saddle
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im a believer that yes, your first sprites should be easy, but it should still challenge you
those 2 seem a little Too easy. and plus theyre difficult heads, but stupid easy bodies (but honestly not always)

sterile spoke
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The likes of Oddish, Pichu and Shroomish are always my recommendations. 🙂

safe depot
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Sylveon and Diglett are also really popular starting ones

tropic dew
viscid fossil
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I feel like adding the ability to go to hoenn in base game would be possible
But i'd rather have this tbh

hardy remnant
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I think a separate game for Hoenn would be good.

full bison
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Hoenn has a lot of stuff- I highly doubt 300-ish would be enough to make it shine like it should

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Also I feel like 2 regions is the absolute maximum number before the whole loop of collecting badges and fighting the E4 starts to drag

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A Pokemon game with every region has to be the single most "you think you want it, but you don't" thing in gaming

trail hull
inland jewel
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I for one do not want to start hoenn at level 80-100

inland jewel
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at most bring like one mon that is around level 5 from the previous region as you start your journey but like, sweeping through the early game with your league team isn't fun

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and at that point why are you in the new region to begin with

prime dust
summer apex
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if you mean PokeMMO,
1 - it handles the multiple region problem by having a forced level cap based on your progress through the current region. You can't complete one then steamroll the rest
2 - it's bad for different reasons

inland jewel
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so it isn't really 5 regions in one game, more than 5 games stitched into one program

prime dust
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i know

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but

charred umbra
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Hey guys
Do you have any idea when is Hoenn going to be added to the game?

molten loom
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never, because its a seperate game

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and the release date for the new game is when its done

charred umbra
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Oh
okey thanks for the info

bold atlas
inland jewel
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i remember when i first joined the server and got my sprite role, some guy asked me to submit his sprites for him until he got the role himself, and they were literally just centaurs

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top half one pokemon, bottom half another

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no elements fused with upper half or lower half, just if the top was 100% gardevoir and at the waist, it was Tauros's body without his head

sour stream
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me?

polar crown
grave nymph
brisk field
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this is just a curiosity question but are gyms going to still be type based in this game? it would be really cool to see some new themes depending on how much custom is being done. i dont follow the project to much atm

quaint matrix
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I mean it is a Pokemon game so

inland jewel
quaint matrix
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If you want more creative-based fights you gotta look for the trainers

inland jewel
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it will just be changed so that the mons used a fusions in addition to the type they normally are (Like all of roxanne will have rock-type fusions

quaint matrix
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Like how canon Pokemon games' gym leaders will have dual-typed mons every now and then

prime dust
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at best if PIF Hoenn has a remix mode much like PIF does, then we will see some zany stuff

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same w randomizer

full bison
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Maybe it could have an expert mode that makes gyms not necessarily have a type theme? But that's the best I can think of there

inland jewel
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from what i remember of expert mode, Frog tested the mode and flagged that the pokemon were incorrect types, but due to how many fixes he would need to do he just released the mode anyway

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so they were SUPPOSED to be all one shared type, but the team behind the mode didn't fix it/got lazy (so it got banished to experimental features)

prime dust
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no, i feel like having a type theme is important

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only other thing i could maybe see would be a mode that makes use of joke/reference sprites

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like; the theme of gym 1 is yu-gi-oh; while gym 8 is monster hunter

pastel fern
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the issue with those is a lot of the time they're fully evolved mons

prime dust
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never said it was a perfect idea

crude fiber
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Should just be an expansion to the already existing game, kinda how soul silver and heartgold did it

prime dust
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PIF currently used 849 of the 999 maps that RPG Maker has

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while it is possible to go over the cap; it requires a LOT of extra work [and from what I've seen in brief looks on forums for rpg maker, it can often add extra complexity to keeping the game stable and usually requires some file shenanigans which may result in other issues cropping up]

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it is just easier and healthier for both games to have them be separate

molten loom
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Also would be boring doing a 3rd region in the original game, you would basically be level 100 throughout the whole thing

full bison
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At that point the only difficulty would be from giving everyone legendary Pokemon or Smogon movesets

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And even then the AI is stoopid, so it wouldn't even make full use of a competitive moveset

weak trellis
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there's a reason why most fangames that go for difficulty tend to get easier as they go on rofl

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since once you've started by giving opponents endgame movesets and full teams the only thing you can really do left is increase/bloat the BST from there as the player gets more of what the AI has had access to since the start

crude fiber
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Just throwing out ideas, not like this is anything necessary but it never hurts to throw things out there

prime dust
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Frog has already confirmed the way to move mons between to the 2 games

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once PIF Hoenn is properly out, there will be a new box in the pc that will let you transfer mons

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not entirely sure how it will work, but i trust the process

hollow crag
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is there an expected release date?

molten loom
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When it's finished

hollow crag
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damn okay

prime dust
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we might see a demo later this year [dec] if we're lucky, otherwise assume early next year for that; as for full release...Soon™

atomic meadow
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Soon™

clear lichen
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Ngl it'd be funny if PIF Hoenn became Silksong 2

prime dust
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the big difference there being:

  • frog is not making money from the game in any capacity
  • we'd likely riot if we're forced to wait that long for the sequel
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7 years for feature complete would be okay, but not 7 years for the 1.0 version

spice sage
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I'm trying my best okay Despair

hardy remnant
inland jewel
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we stan our solo-programmer

velvet root
sudden jackal
hexed agate
polar crown
spice sage
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Real talk, expect delays for Hoenn and Pif in general. I unexpectedly lost my job recently because the company I worked out got bought out and laid off a bunch of people and I have no idea how much time I'll actually be able to put on PIF once I get a new job.

polar crown
regal meadow
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idk if you could do that or not but just figured I would ask

molten loom
regal meadow
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yeah thats what I had just thought. would hate to get the game deleted just because trying to keep the guy alive thats working on it

viscid fossil
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How dare you be able to sustain yourself while making a passion product

feral tangle
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Unfortunate, Hope it all works out

velvet root
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You made a fantastic game and even if we have to wait longer we are excited to see the future

stray spear
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Like I always say I'd rather have a delayed game than an unfinished one

solar nova
# spice sage Real talk, expect delays for Hoenn and Pif in general. I unexpectedly lost my jo...

I’m really sorry man, I know we all appreciate how much work you’re putting into this. Your situation in general remind me a lot of the devs for a game called Rainworld.

Either way I hope you find a new job soon, and I hope the best for you in general. I’m incredibly thankful for all you’ve done not just for the community, but also for me. My friends and I love doing IF soul links and playing through the game together.

Really what I’m trying to say is, thank you so much for what you’re doing and what you’ve done, and take as much time as you need. Don’t push yourself to hard, you should prioritize your life over the game, even if that means less development. I would hate for you to get burnout.

Just remember to ignore anyone saying it’s taking too long, or trying to make you feel bad about delays. Because you owe nothing to us, you’ve already done so much, but I feel like we owe a heck of a lot to you.

trail hull
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I'm late to this but take your time frog , you made a wonderfull game and we are grateful for what we have

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I suck I making long paragraph for this kind of thing so this is what you get for now until I edit because I found something cool heehee

spice sage
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Thank you so much for the kind words everyone, it really does mean a lot 🙏
And no, I don't have a patreon or any way to donate. It's something I've though about a lot, and especially recently, but in the end I don't want to put the project at risk. If the game only depended on me to be kept alive, then I'd probably consider it despite the risks because the end result of me stopping to work on it and getting shutdown would be the same.
But that's not the case. Even if I were to not be able to work on the game at all, the community would still be here and spriters would still keep submitting sprites and keeping the project alive. And I think that'd still be worth it over risking a full shutdown.

quaint matrix
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Really sorry for what you went through Frog, I have been on that end as well

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<@&306953740651462656> Check it out now y'all

stray spear
icy valley
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hoenn? HELL YEAH! so now will the hoenn l;egendaries obtainment n all be changed'

prime dust
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in that game, maybe

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but we'll see

hexed agate
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so I'm playing through Emerald and listening to my tracks for PIF:H and I let it continue from battle_rival to battle_spearpillar heehee

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a very uncomfortable staredown into May's eyes

prime dust
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so basically...just

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https://youtu.be/SAjRuGdXeOE?si=N2FTCpRogugq_WhK

YouTube
Carlos Alvarez
🎺Trumpet Boy🎺 - Vs. Rival Theme - Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald

Video Extendido del original
Creditos a: @wingwire_ https://twitter.com/wingwire_
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Theme from Ruby Sapphire Emerald
Credit: Nintendo, Game Freak, Creature Inc., TPCi
Original Composition : Junichi Masuda, Go Ichinose
Original Designer : Ken Sugimori
#trumpetboy
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▶ Play video
hexed agate
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basically

wild fractal
serene yew
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I predict...
The next update will be the first of 2026

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And that the demo will be released about a year from now

dire beacon
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I hope Flabebe's evolve chain could be available on the hoenn version or Kanto

full bison
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We're definitely not getting any new Pokemon additions until sometime next year/whenever the full version of the Hoenn game releases

dire beacon
tropic dew
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I missed my shot at casting my vote, and even then, none of what I wanted was on Team Sapphire's roster of choices.

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so it's a bit whatever

quaint matrix
tropic dew
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yeah it was something that got resolved super quick

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and thankfully only extended to DMs

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I think it was either that Discord Customer Service security leak at work, which is odd since I live in the USA, or it might have been one of the services or apps I had connected to my discord that had a vulnerability or loophole exploited.

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like... I had 2fa enabled and everything, neither my phone number or email were altered, and I did change my password and all that stuff

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but it was still super weird regardless.

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but anyway... yeah while it was frustrating to miss my chance to vote back then, all of the options I WANTED were out of the running anyhow, so I wouldn't have been all that eager to cast my vote anyway.

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I don't have anything against Tynamo, Skrelp or their evolutions, but overall the designs of a majority of Team Sapphire's available roster of choices was not my cup of tea.

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||If I had my way I would have chosen Tsareena and Salazzle, just to see the Rule 2 pushing puritans implode, and ferret out the ones who are a bit too weird about those Pokemon and watch them disappear into the proverbial ether.||

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||like yeah the mods would probably have a lot of work on their plate in like... the first month at most, but things would get way more quiet afterwards.||

fallen loom
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Tynamo and Skrelp were in ORAS though and they kinda fit Hoenn IMO

weak trellis
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I probably would have chosen furfrou but I can see other options

fallen loom
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I wanted Araquanid

weak trellis
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or diggersby but we're already getting another x2 power mon in medicham so fair's fair

weak trellis
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since unlike huge power it works on both sides of the PSS spectrum, but only on water type moves

fallen loom
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also Skrelp and Tynamo are fish Pokémon that wind up not being water, which is more interesting

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also breaks up the Tentacool routes

tropic dew
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Yeah, the water routes of Hoenn absolutely need some more biodiversity. I got SUPER tired of running into Tentacool, Wingull, and their evos

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since iirc you had to deliberately fish up Carvanha, Wailmer and their evolutions.

fallen loom
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I kinda hope we get Alomomola, Clauncher and a bunch of other Water types

tropic dew
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Alomomola I could see being a Pokemon only catchable via Super Rod or via Diving, while Clauncher and Crabrawler could easily wander onto land routes near the ocean.

fallen loom
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I want Alomomola in dive spots

full bison
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I imagine that if we do get new Pokemon additions for the full release, it will be a lot of the DexNav Pokemon

tropic dew
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Yeah

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and probably even more of them would probably show up when the national dex is unlocked or something

fallen loom
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IS there going to be a regional dex?

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I'd pick a bunch of Pokémon from IF that fit + the usual Hoenn dex mon and new vote mon

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water routes need filling out

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also less mon only available via fishing

tropic dew
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Mm.

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I do hope that we'll have more additions beyond just the two Team Sapphire winners. Because I could absolutely see Pokemon like the Cherubi and Bounsweet lines being obtainable in the same super tall grass spawn locations that you'd find Pokemon like Tropius in.

fallen loom
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yeah

tropic dew
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also stuff like Cherrim's Flower Gift ability could get SUPER busted with the right fusions.

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of course since Cherrim changes forms in strong sunlight as a baked-in part of how it functions, rather than being something tied to its ability, one would face the same kind of issues that Nacrozma does, in that you may have to have two separate entries for Cherrim, and design with two fusions in mind instead of just one.

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Meanwhile, the Bounsweet line is comparatively simpler, in that to get Tsareena, the final evo in that line, you need to have a female Steenee learn Stomp and that's it.

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and Tsareena's Queenly Majesty ability would absolutely shut down a LOT of Pokemon that use priority moves to ridiculous effect, especially Rayquaza with its Extremespeed.

prime dust
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for it is with that we can obtain true power

full bison
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Weather teams are already my favorite way to play in PIF, so I would be down for Cherrim at some point

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Alongside other weather mons like Hippowdon, Gigalith, Vanilluxe, Beartic, and Excadrill

tropic dew
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Heck, Hippowdon would feel right at home in the parts of Hoenn subject to sandstorms.

full bison
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Being able to build Sandstorm teams without having to wait for Pupitar to reach level 50 would be great

tropic dew
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||As an aside, if Tsareena ever does make it in, rather than the expected Gardevoir fusion, I feel like it would be much more interesting to see what kind of other fusions with Tsareena could pop up, whether she's used as a body for the fusion or otherwise.||

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||Because we'd get a bipedal 'mon with a body type and outfit shape distinct from Gardevoir and I find that way more conducive to exercising one's creativity.||

prime dust
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i expect at least 1 lady d sprite to get made using Tsareena

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though that might also require Gothitelle

full bison
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I hope spriters making Gothitelle sprites bring attention to how tiny its legs are relative to its body

fallen loom
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I hope they give it better hair

weak trellis
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for tiny (er, thin) legs see also: Darkrai

agile olive
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I think there's a lady d sprite already?

sudden jackal
tropic dew
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fair point

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and there's the fact that future additions are always on the table, eventually.

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when the opportunity strikes, anyhow

sudden jackal
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Time is of the essence it took like a decade to get here and look at where we are

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At the start this was just normal Kanto with only 151 used for fusions and now there's Johto soon to be hoenn over 500 Pokemon

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Over 740k members

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Frogs had to ask discord for a server expansion like 5 times this games so popular

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We have remix and randomiser mode and now the new legendary mode

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For 1 guy doing this as a passion project this game is phenomenal

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And we really take that for granted

tropic dew
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I don't doubt for a second that within the first year of PIF Hoenn's initial release, the number of base Pokemon available in both PIF and PIF Hoenn is gonna balloon past 600 for sure.

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or it's a strong Maybe at this point

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we're allready in the 570s range with the new upcoming additions of the Tynamo and Skrelp lines, so...

sudden jackal
tropic dew
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yeah, I was thinking first year of full release or something.

sudden jackal
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Ah ok

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I thought U meant like start of 2027 we'd have over 600

tropic dew
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cuz like... the beta phase is bound to last a good while, and we MIGHT end up getting closer, since we're within the 570s range thanks to the upcoming new additions to the roster so far, so...

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it's possible that anywhere between PIF's first full release, and a year from that point, we could hit 600 base Pokemon proper, possibly more.

vocal pivot
slim otter
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Bags of flour say very specifically not to consume it raw

viscid fossil
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And you're going to let that stop you?

gray stream
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True..

gray vine
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just drink hot water with it

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become the mixer

slim otter
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I guess you could bake the flour

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Good luck getting anyone to eat it with you, though

median fox
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That’s what kidnapping is for

shy condor
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sounds like the bag of flour eaters want to keep all the good stuff for emself

sharp sphinx
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raw flours bigger deal than raw eggs I believe

hidden relic
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Especially since the demo's not done yet

trail hull
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Guys we are 9k away from 750k

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It’s crazy to think we are almost 3/4 of a million

hasty dew
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probably a dumb question but how will PIF Hoenn work? is it is own game? a new region in the current game? will it be a separate download?

tender crest
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whole different game

sudden jackal
hasty dew
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will all the current mons be catchable? at least in a remix mode? or is that unknown at this stage?

tender crest
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we dont know

hasty dew
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gotcha

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thanks

torn crane
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I think hoenn is tomorrow

sudden jackal
sudden jackal
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So hoenn will have all the normal hoenn Pokemon and some we currently have but all the rest will most likely be transfer only

inland jewel
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idk if the Modern Mode team will update their version to get hoenn mons into the routes, or just focus on making a Modern Hoenn mode instead

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heck with what Frog revealed, the demo might not even be available in Jan-Feb

plucky pine
hexed agate
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Yeah, we'll full release on October 15th, 2025 so that we outdo Legends: Z-A at the box office lie

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In case it wasn't clear, this is FALSE INFORMATION

rancid nymph
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If it was real, we’d get taken down so fast…

sudden jackal
quaint matrix
sudden jackal
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Top google search is gonna be pif hoenn

gray stream
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Wait hoenn’s coming out tomorrow?

gray vine
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no the 15th is today