pif-hoenn-discussion

[torn crane]

i swear gen3 has the most competitive pokemon count

so excited

[quaint matrix]

I mean

All the competitive mons are already in the game

All that's left are the stragglers

[full bison]

I wouldn't call Pelliper a straggler, but other than that it's mostly just a bunch of slow mixed attackers

[quaint matrix]

Hariyama as well

But pretty much yeah

I love Mightyena with all my heart

But that wolfo ain't ever been viable

[weak trellis]

comes with the territory of having that low of a BST without having something like a stat x2 ability lol

[safe depot]

A lot of Hoenn mons are at least gonna be interesting to fuse

[rain locust]

i wouldnt say that

really theres only one relevant to if dex ou and thats crawdaunt (who will probably be instantly banned)

even hariyama isnt v impressive compared to ursaring

[quaint matrix]

I assume he meant overall outside of PIF

And as I said that's still wrong lol

[full bison]

What even would be the most relevant Gen of Pokemon for the Fusion competitive scene? The UBs would put Gen 7 pretty high up assuming they all aren't instantly banned, and let's be real- they absolutely will be, but other than that I'm not sure.

[full bison]

Swellow seems like it would have been a popular pick if Boomburst wasn't banned. Imagine it fused with Pory-z and forced a guessing game between if it's running Scrappy or Adaptability.

[outer matrix]

Are there any gen 5 ones?

[full bison]

Hydreigon is a pretty solid one, especially now that it can be made so Fairies don't instantly kill it. Hydreigon/Yanmega is apparently a really powerful combo

[rain locust]

would be worse poryz noivern bc that mon just draco meteors ghosts

[rain locust]

yes bc qd tinted lens oblivion wing

levitate on hydreigon is also good for being immune to stuff like ursaring who typically uses eq as coverage so you can run like hydreigon doublade

theres also the more niche hydreigon/gengar who has no weaknesses with a p good offensive type synergy (gets owned by fairy/steels but you can add fire blast or ep for those)

[full bison]

Aside from that, the only Unova Pokemon I can really see making much of an impact from what I've seen is stuff like Klinklang with Shift Gear, Volcarona most certainly being banned with how crazy it already is, and Serperior with the ability to supplement its Contrary Leaf Storm with stuff like Overheat

And Chandelure having crazy SpA is also pretty strong too

[rain locust]

serperior would instantly get contrary banned

only reason why it isnt rn is lurantis is p bad

after that itd be a weird niche glare user which is maybe interesting

comp if is discussing whether qd should be banned and if it does then volcarona would be freed and itd be quite good i think

not only for high spa fire but also its niche as a bug with uturn and roost

[white meadow]

also giving fiery dance to sgrace mons

[past hatch]

Does anyone know when its gonna drop outta curiosity?

[thin pawn]

Nope

It's in the very early stages of development atm, so there's no estimated release date

[full bison]

There is a demo that if everything went well should be ready in a few months at least

[prime dust]

and by few months we we end of the year

[thin pawn]

That's a few months

[safe depot]

Its August bud

Near year is in five months

[alpine quest]

My question is, there is obviously gonna be more Pokemon added to the game eventually, not just Gen 3 ones, right?

[zenith token]

yeah, that's what I'm thinking too, but they were obviously gonna be the first lot in for hoenn

[fallen loom]

ORAS added new Pokémon to routes

though only for the post-game

though most ORAS route mon aren't in IF

[safe depot]

I imagine they'll be added in over time

[thin pawn]

five is a few

[safe depot]

I know

I was agreeing with you

[fallen loom]

DexNav exclusive Pokémon not in IF:
Lillipup
Sewaddle
Tympole
Gothita
Shellos
Chatot
Pidove
Frillish
Skrelp
Clauncher
Dwebble
Throh
Sawk
Bouffalant
Skorupi
Deerling
Elgyem
Alomomola
Timburr
Roggenrola
Druddigon
Cubchoo
Bronzor

[rancid nymph]

Erm ACTUALLY, the get added after you get the national dex, which you can get before postgame 🤓

[thin pawn]

all bad pokemon, they should exclude dexnav so they don't have to add them

[safe depot]

what

[thin pawn]

you heard me

[safe depot]

Many of those mons are good, would be amazing with fusions and some make certain architypes fun

[safe depot]

Just a straight up shit take

[thin pawn]

theyre lame

[safe depot]

You're lame

[thin pawn]

name 1 person whos favorite pokemon is bouffalant

[safe depot]

and?

[thin pawn]

exactly

[safe depot]

You can make it cool

You can fuse it with stuff to make a unique pokemon

Who's favorite pokemon is fucking Cacturne? or Bruxish?

Yet they were still added

[fallen loom]

Sewaddle, Frillish, Alomomola and Skorupi could make popular fusions

[safe depot]

What kind of shitty logic is this

[safe depot]

https://tenor.com/view/moira-rose-schitts-creek-exactly-my-point-duh-gif-16643347237279393973

[thin pawn]

nuh uh

[safe depot]

Gothitelle and Clawlitzer would also make so many cool sprites too

[fallen loom]

yeah

[safe depot]

Even some of the bad mons here have killer potentional for designs, like Beheeyem or Siesma

[thin pawn]

bronzor shouldnt be in the game because i dont like it

[safe depot]

Not one mon in this list would be a waste

[fallen loom]

I want to see Skrelp, Deerling, Sewaddle, Alomomola, Cubchoo, Clauncher, Dwebble and Shellos of those

[thin pawn]

i dont

[safe depot]

https://tenor.com/view/damn-thats-crazy-who-asked-though-spongebob-dancing-weird-gif-17659544

[thin pawn]

the gif isnt loading so ill assume its you agreeing with me

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/sml-chef-pee-pee-sucks-to-be-you-huh-sucks-to-be-you-sucks-to-suck-gif-25987673

[vagrant ferry]

lame pokemon help cool pokemon seem cool by comparison

[safe depot]

exactly

[viscid fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/my-reaction-to-that-information-my-reaction-to-that-information-meme-my-reaction-to-that-information-gif-my-reaction-my-honest-reaction-gif-26297734

[full bison]

Same with Clawitzer, Dragalge, Bronzong, and Sawsbuck

[safe depot]

Honestly Unfezant would be really dope to make useful

[thin pawn]

nvm I just saw the gif

[safe depot]

Give it something to use that attack stat with

[fallen loom]

Sawsbuck body fusions

[thin pawn]

cant believe i would get spongebobd

[safe depot]

Clawlitzer about to give every mon an arm cannon

[thin pawn]

clawitzer blastoise

oops all cannons

[rancid nymph]

That’s Magmorter’s job

[velvet root]

HEY Cacturn is cool

[fallen loom]

Clawitzer + Blastoise + Octillery triple fusion

[safe depot]

Beheeyem with aliens, Gothitelle with goth designs, Sawk and Throh for dedicated fighters, Chatot for music designs,

Even Conkelldurr can lead to a lot of really cursed designs

[velvet root]

Gogoat making every designe the GOAT

[full bison]

Combine them both to create a massive Gatling gun of fire and water

[safe depot]

plus water is better

[fallen loom]

or even triple arm canon: Magmortar + Rhyperior + Clawitzer

[thin pawn]

shame they cant add gen 8 and up pokemon, those games had the most inspired pokemon designs

[safe depot]

Just shit take after shit take from you

[thin pawn]

like flamigo

we dont get such good pokemon anymore

or the poop bug

[fallen loom]

I just want more Gen 5 and 7 Bugs

[safe depot]

So more useful bugs

[fallen loom]

yes

[full bison]

I wouldn't say no to Glimmora, Tinkaton, Polteageist, Revavroom, and Toxitricity

[safe depot]

I think Vivilleon would be cool, maybe because its better Butterfree

[zenith token]

BOUFFALANT IS BEAUTIFUL

[velvet root]

Flamigo is Peak

[thin pawn]

ok queen neptunia alt acc

[thin pawn]

now you get it

[zenith token]

if they could add them

[fallen loom]

would make some amazing fusions

[thin pawn]

they should add revavroom but only the big team star car form

[safe depot]

Bouf would lead to funny afro fusions at least

and hey Sap Sipper gives it something unique

[fallen loom]

except Azumarill gets it

[thin pawn]

out here sapping my sip

[velvet root]

Standing there menacingly

[safe depot]

Are you really running Sap Sipper Azu

[thin pawn]

iron jugulis is also peak pokemon design

[fallen loom]

no

[thin pawn]

its so creative and unique compared to all the other paradox forms

same with iron leaves

[safe depot]

Are you really

[fallen loom]

I said no!

Sawsbuck gets Sap Sipper too

[safe depot]

I meant as a Sap Sipper normal type. Bulky, decent attack and a Grass immunity would make it a very splashable pokemon.

I imagine would have a lot of peak ground fusions

[viscid fossil]

I mean expert Misty uses it

[fallen loom]

Stantler and Girafarig get it too

[zenith token]

but Sawsbuck is part normal...

[safe depot]

Sawsbuck ain't bulky

[fallen loom]

that too

hmm

[vagrant ferry]

is there any combination of types that doesn’t naturally occur in any base game Pokémon?

[fallen loom]

Rock/Ghost

[full bison]

Bug/dragon

[fallen loom]

Electric/Dark (Not counting the rodent)

[safe depot]

Poison/Ice
Bug/Dragon
Normal/Rock
Normal/Steel
Ground/Fairy
Fire/Fairy
And Rock/Ghost

[full bison]

What would poison/Ice even be

[zenith token]

enough for a challenge run...

[fallen loom]

technically Morpeko is a monotype that switches between STAB Electric and STAB Dark

[zenith token]

ice that keeps unknown plagues inside...

[vagrant ferry]

ahaha that’s exactly why I asked, going to try a full team of this on my next run

[fallen loom]

I was thinking icy needles

[viscid fossil]

both morpeko forms are electric/dark

all the form changes is the signature move

[safe depot]

Anyway, the rest of Hoenns mons plus this list would be Peak and Elite

[zenith token]

I think fire fairy and the normal combos can be pretty easily done (and rock ghost too)

[safe depot]

Crobat + Weavile

[vagrant ferry]

Poison Ice seems like terrible typing

[fallen loom]

Did you know... Morpeko doesn't learn Nuzzle

[full bison]

Normal is easy to make dual types for, it's just that nobody cares for any Normal combo except Ghost

[safe depot]

Snorlax as a steel type could be good

[zenith token]

not hard to make it though, I guess?

[fallen loom]

Aurorus + Weedle

[full bison]

And then there's Ground/Fairy which could break the game

[safe depot]

Aurorus + Weezing

[thin pawn]

why would ground fairy break the game

[vagrant ferry]

Weezing Glalie in the next game

[full bison]

Hits every single type combo for neutral at worst except specifically Steel/Flying and Poison/Flying

[safe depot]

Weezing Glaceon is cool

[thin pawn]

ok

[thin pawn]

why would you ruin a cool mon like weezing with glaceon

[fallen loom]

Avalugg + Toxapex

[safe depot]

Ice/Poison is a tough type

Ice wants to be offensive

Poison does not

The only real offensive poison is Crobat

[fallen loom]

I went pure defence

[thin pawn]

ice does not want to be anything its kinda doodoo

[safe depot]

I did not ask

Please go away.

[thin pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-depressed-gif-18156874

[safe depot]

Honest an Ice type Venomoth could be potent, given Tinted Lens Ice Beam is very scary

[kindred fern]

Where can I find the download?

[safe depot]

Wrong channel?

[kindred fern]

Glu glu glu glu

[safe depot]

Also if you're talking about PIF Hoenn its not out yet

[kindred fern]

The download of Pokémon infinite fusion

[safe depot]

Hmmm...I wonder where in this server you could find the download. Truly a mystery as to where it could be.

Perhaps we'll never know

[kindred fern]

...

Im sorry, Im dumb

[safe depot]

Just bustin ya chops a bit

Don't sweat it

[fallen loom]

These with the first time you can get one of any type in-game (no double dipping)

Poison/Ice - Zubat + Snorunt/Spheal
Bug/Dragon - Wumple/Surskit + Bagon/Lati
Normal/Steel - Zigzagoon + Aron
Ground/Fairy - Geodude + Marill
Fire/Fairy - Torchic + Ralts
And Rock/Ghost - Nosepass + Sableye

[lofty spindle]

I do wonder, think we will see new Pokémon inclusions before Hoenn?

[full bison]

Most certainly not

There's already 65 slots dedicated to including them, I highly doubt there will be any more before next year

At most, I can see one Mythical getting added, but I highly doubt it

[weak trellis]

I've joked about it before but Ice very much wants the stats of Deoxys-A rofl

no defenses but offensivley staggering

if there's any type I'd say doesn't want to be anything I'd probably point to psychic rofl

[full bison]

Psychic wants to be buffed

That's what psychic wants to be

Seriously, why isn't it strong against Fairy at least?

[viscid fossil]

psychic was too strong 27 years ago and now isn't allowed to have anything

[full bison]

You would think that adding two types, one good and another insane, as well as ghosts becoming overpowered, would be enough of a signal that they're not that good anymore to Gamefreak, but then again these people made Flutter Mane

[weak trellis]

see also: Normal

the problem is that you can't really buff psychic by altering ghost and dark (like with removing pursuit) since that just makes Ghost even stronger

[full bison]

Ghost is in basically the exact same OP situation that Dragon was in prior to Gen 6, BTW

Does neutral damage to almost everything, it's best counter is itself, other potential counter types such as Normal underperform, tons of incredibly powerful representatives, etc.

Except while Dragons eventually got Fairies to deal with them, Ghosts got immunity to trapping and even more broken Pokemon to rep the type

[hardy remnant]

Fairy is still the best type for dual type Pokemon.

Also, dark type moves are super-effective against ghost, so it does have a counter other than itself.

[weak trellis]

fairy feels like it's more strong on paper than it is in execution imo

since a lot of the fairies tend to be either earlygame mons or more defined off their secondary types but when it does hit, it hits hard

[full bison]

Dark has the issue of not having too many good non-signature moves. Pretty much all there is there is Sucker Punch, Knock Off, Crunch (which has awful distribution) and Dark Pulse (and there aren't many good special Dark types)

[safe depot]

Psychic is an issue where its Underpowered until its not

Like Gen 5 OU or PsySpam in VGC

[zenith token]

or gen 1 as a whole

[zenith token]

and it also deals super effective damage outside of itself

[quaint matrix]

Well they used to have one...

[full bison]

I'm still so angry they got rid of Pursuit

That was one of the last things keeping Ghost in check

[quaint matrix]

What do you mean

Normal keeps them in check

Anyway I don't think it's a shock to say Ghost and Steel is the most broken they've been right now

I wonder if they're gonna introduce a new type to curb Ghost lmao

[full bison]

Just bringing Pursuit back would do so much to rein Ghost in. The inability to be trapped is what makes them so unbearable in VCG cause they're never burdened by bad matchups

On the same note of balancing stuff, Poison should be super effective on Water, Psychic should be super effective against and resist Fairy, and Expanding Force does not need the 1.5 power buff in Psychic Terrain

[quaint matrix]

I am not gonna submit to my anti-Water agenda for now

And instead also say that Normal should be either immune to Fairy or super effective to Fairy

I'll take either but I'd prefer both

[weak trellis]

as someone who's played a hack where poison is indeed SE on water, agreed

as for psychic terrain I can see removing either the power buff or the "hits both opponents" buff though I'd lean slightly on the latter but maybe lower it down since psychic terrain already gives it a power boost as it is

still, I highly doubt they care much about the mess they've created, at least unless it's enough of a mess that it's costing them profits, which in most cases I don't think it is

[thin pawn]

they should make ghost unable to hit fairy

[full bison]

Fairy does not need to be any stronger

[thin pawn]

fairy is the weakest type wdym

[quaint matrix]

Water just needs more weaknesses in general

Either that or they buff Grass

[thin pawn]

what if they made water weak to grass

[quaint matrix]

Grass should be immune to Water as well

[mental tinsel]

nah water one of the best defensive types

let it be

[quaint matrix]

Steel is one of the best defensive types too so I guess we should let it be

[mental tinsel]

yeah but there r too many steel pokemons that have quad weaknesses

so water comes on top

[clear lichen]

Fairy, Steel, Water and arguably Ghost all need nerfs IMO

While Grass, Bug and Psychic need buffs

A lot of types also need better physical options, most notably to me being Electric, Rock, Fairy and Psychic

Psychic Fangs isn't bad ig but it has bad distribution among Psychics

I do not care that Psychic Type Pokemon can be good and that Psychic Terrain can be strong, Psychic as a type by itself is sorely lacking

I wouldn't say Grass is the 3rd worst type in the game unlike how I'd say Psychic and Bug are 2nd and 1st worst

But the power gap between it and the other 2 starter type pisses me off

[velvet root]

Wasnt ghost a worse dark?

[clear lichen]

Nope

I feel like Ghost as a type is better than Dark

Though Dark does have more strong Pokemon

And better moves

By as a type, I mean pure MUs

You won't see any Dark type combo as potent as stuff like Ghost/Fairy, Ghost/Steel or Ghost/Fighting, at least IMO

And most of the Ghost dual types in general are extremely hard to stop offensively

[viscid hull]

I wonder if they'll introduce a Sound-type. I can see that being effective agaknst Ghost and maybe Bug would be immune. Water type only being weak to 2 types pisses me off.

[clear lichen]

Certainly not happening

Unless you want to leave Special Attacking Bug Types without STAB

Well, good STAB

Or Skeledirge and Primarina to have no STAB on their signature moves

Toxtricity would probably gain a Sound type though I'd imagine

[open dagger]

I hope they kinda expand on the water areas a bit more because I feel it’ll become seem extremely empty if like a third of the map will be primarily water types. Esp with how many pokemon will be in the game areas will have way to many pokemon per route

[prime dust]

the irony being even with all those water types...Mudkip is still one of the best starter choices

[clear lichen]

When your competition is Basculin-Level BST Sharpedo, Wailord (Wailord) and Physical Attacker with 2 special types Crawdaunt, among others, I can't say that surprises me

Hey Crawdaunt gets physical STAB in ORAS I guess so that's cool

[prime dust]

you also need to factor in the water adjescent pokemon

https://tenor.com/view/pelipper-pokemon-gif-11963906549232358118

[clear lichen]

Pelipper is gonna be so fun in IF Hoenn because it's gonna be an early rain setter

It also gets Hurricane at level 1

It's been a while since I've played IF but iirc you can relearn moves with just money

[safe depot]

Yep

1k on the second floor of any Pokemon center

[manic cloak]

hey will the new pokemon for the Hoenn region be added to kanto/johto too?

[vocal pivot]

With access to u-turn and tailwind

[safe depot]

I believe so

[vocal pivot]

It takes a pokemon like pelipper to make a man like doubles

[velvet root]

Yes and no

[quaint matrix]

And they're not even 2 types that you have a hard time circumventing the weaknesses on

Like Fire highkey is actually an amazing defensive type but also oof that weakness to Rock and Ground really help balance it

Stealth Rock moment

Water is weak to like Grass which basically 25% of the types can just no diffs with no problem (also lol putting up Grass against a Water-type as if it won't Ice them) and Electric which is relevant but also most of them are just a touch too fragile to be put up against a Water type so you'll have to rely on non-STAB mons doing Electric moves

Also Electric isn't exactly a stellar offensive type so much as it is just a decent type balanced out by having multiple mons (Ground types) no diff it while it only is strong against just Water and Flying

[viscid hull]

Yeah, and Electric doesn't even resist Water. When I first played the games I always thought Poison is very effective against Water, and Ice resists it. Still have to remember to this day that Ice doesn't resist Water...

[full bison]

Dark's weaknesses to Fighting and Fairy as well as its lack of potent STAB options really hold it back

It's got a lot going for it, don't get me wrong, but most Dark Pokemon end up relying entirely on Sucker Punch and Knock Off for damage. Great moves, don't get me wrong, but not exactly the most consistent sources of damage

[dark sleet]

electric type pokemons when they are physical really holds them down

worst movepool in the game

for physical attacks

[clear lichen]

Me when I'm in a "Dogshit physical options" competition and the other competitors are Psychic, Electric, Fairy and Rock (I'm cooked)

[quaint matrix]

Electric wouldn't be so dogshit if they just turn Wild Charge into a 120 BP

Like what is the fucking hesitation

[clear lichen]

Volt Tackle exists unfortunately

The solution is to say "Fuck the mascot" and distribute Volt Tackle

But Gamefreak doesn't want to do that

[quaint matrix]

Pikachu always on the scene robbing/ripping off it's fellow rodents

[full bison]

I haven't seen anything of STAB mons, but I'm imagining half of all the relevant Rock types are all obsessing over Mighty Cleave

[clear lichen]

The 2nd solution is to make Supercell Slam actually worth clicking

And make it the same BST as HJK

Jump Kick doesn't even fucking exist anymore

[full bison]

I still can't believe they made it a Jump Kick clone instead of an HJK clone

[clear lichen]

Why is it a clone of Jump Kick

[quaint matrix]

Honestly at least Fairy and Electric actually can still be viably offensive (just special)

[clear lichen]

I remember being so hyped when Supercell Slam was leaked because it was described as Electric Type HJK

Then it released

[quaint matrix]

Rock is just a cooked ass type in any fathomable criteria

[clear lichen]

Power Gem isn't bad, though way too rare

And yet common on Pokemon who don't need it

What the fuck is Persian gonna do with Power Gem bro

[full bison]

Physical Electric moves being high power with high drawbacks would be such a cool identity for the type, especially with how dangerous Electricity is IRL. but I guess Gamefreak doesn't agree with the High Power part

[quaint matrix]

Yeah so another one on the Rock L

[clear lichen]

That's kinda Fighting's thing currently, is it not?

[quaint matrix]

The hesitation on giving Rock mons like stable reliable STAB that isn't Stone Miss is just

God

[clear lichen]

HJK, CC, Superpower, Focus Blast

All of these moves fit the bill

[full bison]

Supercell Slam is in my view a confession that phys electric being ass is a deliberate choice

[clear lichen]

Hammer Arm to an extent too

Speaking of Hammer Arm, why does it only have 90 accuracy Gamefreak

It's already lowering speed

And it isn't like 130 BP or something like that

[quaint matrix]

Honestly even if we just take single player experience into the equation Phys Electric is just so

[clear lichen]

Psychic has everything done right except for physical moves and actually having a matchup spread that isn't that

[quaint matrix]

Assaholic

[clear lichen]

A lot of the Psychic types have good stats, good Abilities, good distribution, good movepools etc

But the type itself is just cheeks lmao

[quaint matrix]

Fairy only has one phys move but like it is the Phys move so I understand the fantasy

Electric you got uh

Uhhhhhhh

Nuzzle?

Spark?

[dark sleet]

theres like 2 psychic physical pokemons like gallade

[clear lichen]

Wild Charge

Thunder Punch

Uhh

Uhhhh

[quaint matrix]

Maybe Wild Charge if you're lucky (you won't good luck working with it with a low bulk Mon)

[full bison]

Poor Gallade has the perfect Phys Psychic move and ability setup without the speed to take advantage. And the Mega is most likely going to keep having Inner Focus, so that most likely won't help

[clear lichen]

I mean, depends on what low bulk means

Wrong message

Wait right message

I'm tired rn lmao

Anyways, Darmanitan is a low bulk Pokemon

But its one good defensive stat is HP so it can kinda afford to spam recoil moves

[quaint matrix]

I can't wait for the rest of Unova to come join in

[clear lichen]

And spam recoil moves it does

I FUCKING LOVE SUN BOOSTED CHOICE BANDED SHEER FORCE FLARE BLITZ

[quaint matrix]

They high-key have the best potential in terms of fusion shoring them up compared to the rest of the Hoenn mons

Dragon/Steel Druddigon oh I'm so in coach

[clear lichen]

252+ Atk Choice Band Sheer Force Darmanitan Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Alomomola in Sun: 276-324 (51.6 - 60.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Like look at this calc it's so beautiful

[dark sleet]

just imagine ceruledge fusions

[clear lichen]

I wished

[dark sleet]

just wait 12 years

[prime dust]

and by that you mean never

unless someone else makes a fusion game with a higher pokemon essentials version

[viscid hull]

I'd love just more Gen V mons, since that was my favourite Gen.

[prime dust]

sometime in the future...maybe

what gets added and when is mostly up to frog, though he has given us some leeway input in the form of polls

[thin pawn]

alolan charizard

[rancid nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/leonardo-dicaprio-absolutely-fucking-not-absolutely-not-leo-dicaprio-gif-9364097

[lucid oar]

just wait another couple decades for PIF: Unova

trust

[thin pawn]

no genesect because genesect was catchable in pif 1

[lucid oar]

yes there are plenty of unova pokemon already in the game

but we need the unova starters

i need samurott and serperior

[thin pawn]

imagine in pif hoenn you can't catch kyogre groudon and rayquaza because you already caught them in kanto

[viscid hull]

Please, Samurott is the only Water Starter I like, outside Totodile

[thin pawn]

Samurott fusions could be cool

Like Samurott Machoke to be a proper samurai

[viscid hull]

There's gonna be so many samurai fusions and I'm ready for it

[full bison]

I like pretty much every Water starter aside from the Diet Coke Greninja that is Intelleon

[viscid hull]

oh yeah, forgot about that thing

[thin pawn]

Even Quaquaval?

[full bison]

I love the fabulous dancing carnival duck

Not as much as Skeledirge, but way better than the cat

[thin pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/hell-no-disagree-no-nope-never-gif-14721955

[white meadow]

Not sure if it was stated anywhere but is there an expected release date/window?

[thin pawn]

Nope, but supposedly there should be an early version of the game available by the end of the year

[white meadow]

deadly can’t wait to give it a try

will keep an eye out

[thin pawn]

yep

[brazen zenith]

Guys I come bearing urgent news

Ok does anyone know if Cascoon will be added to the Hoenn region????

[thin pawn]

hopefully not

[brazen zenith]

@barren flare @lapis zodiac @white kestrel

FROG I HAVE IMPORTANT NEWS ABOUT THE NAME OF ONE OF THE FUSIONS

AN AVENGERS LEVEL THREAT

[unkempt kernel]

Those are all the wrong person

[brazen zenith]

Oof

Can you ping him for me?

[unkempt kernel]

Just tap the channel name to look at the member list bruh

[brazen zenith]

@spice sage

FROGGGGGG I HAVE AN IMPORTANT AVENGERS LEVEL THREAT ABOUT THE NAME OF ONE OF THE POKEMON!

[spice sage]

Please don't spam

[brazen zenith]

Sorry I didn't know how to ping correctly

[brazen zenith]

But are you aware of the name of Mr. Mime + Cascoon

[barren flare]

dawg

[brazen zenith]

Sorry I was trying to ping the dev of the game

[open dagger]

Well hes weak to grass and thats kinda it so he just becomes a tank for the water because its so ineffective

[zenith token]

and a good few decent special attacking normal moves would go

[full bison]

Gamefreak has clearly decided that they want Sound to be a subtype, not a full blown type. I don't know why so many people cope about it becoming the 19th type. What would a physical Sound move even be?

[safe depot]

Echoed Rush

Massive Clap

Grandslam Soundwavr

Idk its easy to come up with them

[vagrant ferry]

JBL Fetty Wap blast

[thin pawn]

the next type should be fairy 2

[zenith token]

I mean, the literal only other option is Freeze-Dry

[brazen zenith]

Fairy 2 electric boogaloo

[thin pawn]

it should be strong against psychic and weak against fairy 1

[brazen zenith]

What fairy tale are you basing it off of because seems their going for German interpretation of fairies with the current typing hence why their weak to steel. If your going on the interpretation of fairy in Celtic culture fairies were weak to salt so rock could work

[thin pawn]

the anime fairy tale

[brazen zenith]

Ahhh the anime. I dropped that one after 15 episodes. Not sure what would be that weakness.

[thin pawn]

grass

[brazen zenith]

Ah interesting guess fairy tail was true to their Japanese culture since I believe some fairy like creatures were weak to cucumbers of all things

[vocal pivot]

[weak trellis]

late but I think it made it so that psychic resisted fairy but didn't do anything back to it, kinda like what fire has going with it

[hasty glacier]

Whattttt I didn’t know there’s a new PIF game at all until rn

[weak trellis]

alongside water hitting poison SE (which was discussed in here earlier, I like that suggestion considering I've been playing a hack that had it since all the way back in 2010) and ice getting a "pick 2 of 3" resists of water, ground, and dragon rofl

probably water and dragon since resisting ground is kinda moot because most ground types also carry rock slide/tomb

which is where a lot of grass's good points come from: it's the only ground resist that isn't inherently weak to rock coverage (though a lot of the better flying and bug types have ways to get around that)

[open dagger]

Prob will be different now if the mons in the water are like fusions and not just all mono water

[proud lion]

How do you feel if both of these lines made it into a future update?

[ivory seal]

https://tenor.com/view/reginald-angry-eating-angry-eating-monster-house-gif-20013301

[full bison]

I do wonder how the Gender Stones would affect Meowstic

[craggy nexus]

shinotic cool, meowstic is meh

[full bison]

Personally I'm the opposite opinions wise on them- Meowstic is pretty neat, Shiinotic is probably the least interesting mushroom Pokemon to me

[safe depot]

Shiinotic is like the most forgettable Pokemon

[thin pawn]

definitely up there

[molten loom]

I'd name one more forgettable, but I forgot it

[hardy remnant]

If someone likes it, it really isn't that forgettable.

[full bison]

My personal vote for most forgettable Pokemon is probably Eldegoss.

[safe depot]

Bro its Pokemon

All of them is someones favorite

[thin pawn]

primarina is pretty lame

[safe depot]

Use by a Gym Leader and was apparently a really good spinner in SwSh PU

[molten loom]

https://tenor.com/view/lie-detector-gif-9388384639890532829

[thin pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/memes-gif-9980668056796018353

[safe depot]

He’s just a little shit trying to get reactions. Don’t give him the time of day

[molten loom]

https://tenor.com/view/primarina-popplio-pokemon-gif-27657067

[safe depot]

https://tenor.com/view/primarina-pokemon-pokemon-sun-and-moon-pokemon-refresh-alola-gif-8097937685488306548

She is perfection

[full bison]

Avalugg was used by a Gym Leader too, and it's still mostly only remembered when people want to clown on it

[thin pawn]

Whenever I think of Avalugg I think of the Hisuian form

[safe depot]

That’s still memorable

[full bison]

Hence the clowning

[molten loom]

Let me go look at all the Pokemon to see which ones I forget often

[safe depot]

Who talks about Shiinotic

[thin pawn]

kleavor is pretty lame

[safe depot]

Its only used by like one trainer iirc

[full bison]

Even from the gym leader perspective, that guy who is so in and of himself forgettable that I forgot his name swapped Eldegoss out as his ace with the more memorable Apple bois

[lucid oar]

well, but that’s because the gym leader sucks

[safe depot]

His name is Milo

[thin pawn]

the guy with no nose

[lucid oar]

fuck you Wulfric, nobody likes you and you have no friends and also your jacket is ridiculous bro just put it on right

[hardy remnant]

Why do you hate Milo?

[safe depot]

And I’d say its memorable given its the first Dunamax battle

[lucid oar]

oh no Milo I’m cool with I actually really like him (haven’t played swsh but I’ve seen enough of it)

[safe depot]

Honestly if it wasn’t for the anime, I’d probably say Carnivine for more forgettable

Even then no one likes the Gen 4 anime so maybe it counts

[lucid oar]

let me check my pokedoku pokedex

that’s an objective measure of forgetfulness

[thin pawn]

Swoobat is pretty forgettable

[safe depot]

You fight a lot of them in BW1 though

They are Zubat 2

2bat

Swoobat

….oh my fucking god

[molten loom]

Honestly none really stood out as ones I forget

[safe depot]

Its Pokemon

[lucid oar]

oh the most forgetful pokemon are 100% the ice cream cones from gen 5

[safe depot]

They make almost everything memorable. And everything is someones favorite

Bah the Ice Cream is memorable because of how hated they ised to be

[molten loom]

Nah pretty memorable

[safe depot]

Plus they got buffed

Snow warning and all

I know

Mothim

[hardy remnant]

All ice types got buffed in gen 9 with the Hail weather condition changing to Snow.

[molten loom]

I mean being a split Evo with wormadam makes it more memorable

[safe depot]

But then who remembers the Burmy line?

Honey Trees and all

[lucid oar]

I would say Chatot because as a pokemon it’s so forgettable but it can canonically say slurs so I guess that makes it memorable

[safe depot]

And before Gen 8, it had the strongest Boomburst in the game

Because it had exactly one more point of Special Attack than Exploud

[lucid oar]

oh I know the most forgetful pokemon for me are 100% the weird legendaries from gen 9

the chain one’s

the dog the bird and the monkey

[safe depot]

Nah the Disloyal 3 are too tied to Ogrepon

[full bison]

The lousy three being actively evil makes them pretty memorable

[molten loom]

I remember them, just not the names

[safe depot]

She killed them, like canonically

[lucid oar]

this is true for me because I haven’t played Gen 9

[safe depot]

That’s very memorable

[lucid oar]

so other than filling in pokemon trivia I have no reason to remember them at all

[full bison]

And they killed her owner

That's pretty memorable too

[molten loom]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-violent-meme-ogerpon-funny-gif-1579826530560702924

[lucid oar]

like at least ogerpon has a gimmick and pecharunt is the only ghost poison type since Gengar

but the other ones are so dumb

ooh what about Beheeyem

[safe depot]

Yeah I still vote for Shiinotic.

Typing done before. Bad but not infamously bad stats. Generic Mushroom Pokemon,

[safe depot]

Ear Splitting cry

[lucid oar]

what

[safe depot]

On headphones its cry gives me a headache

[lucid oar]

no I know Beheeyem is forgettable because I was looking through my pokedoku at the pokemon I hadn’t done yet and completely ignored it

[safe depot]

Nah people talk about Beheeyem

[weak trellis]

late but swoobat is at least one of the few mons that has simple

I can see beheeyem though mostly because of how uncommon it is in one area and the other mon found there is litwick rofl

least memorable for me uuuuh

counting legends/mythicals probably zarude? if those aren't allowed then probably purugly since it's only in the sinnoh games and OR/AS's endgame and even gameplay wise it's basically "what persian probably should have been changed to after slash and hyper beam got fixed"

I'm sure there's a lot of gen 8/9 mons that are probably more forgettable (cursola in particular comes to mind) just because they haven't really been given a time to shine yet so I didn't want to overly count them outside of zarude

[safe depot]

Lumineon?

[weak trellis]

I can see that though that one also showed up in Alola and Paldea

maybe huntail/gorebyss too on grounds of being both split evos and trade evos to the point where even clamperl is more notable because of DeepSeaTooth specifically

or mothim who's kinda just... there compared to wormadam's gimmick and also isn't in many regions

maybe thievul too but that one is at least spammed enough by the team yell grunts that it ends up basically being their raticate equivalent

[molten loom]

I remember it because it's stats

[weak trellis]

I'm headed off to bed in a sec but maybe carracosta too because even as a fossil mon it's that overshadowed by archeops's everything for better and for worse rofl

[safe depot]

N uses one in the final battle

[weak trellis]

yea there's a few I mentally discounted because of that (Komala for gen 7 because hau uses one for some reason, same with Pincurchin in gen 8)

my overall answer barring legends is probably still purugly though

also looking up I'm just gonna say the ice creams both have snow warning in gen 7+ and being your only easily accessable ice option for the dragon gym in BW rofl

since the others are either very hard to get and die horrbily if they miss the OHKO (cryogonal) or are absurdly slow (beartic)

[full bison]

Lumineon ironically became memorable with how many people cited it as forgettable. Same with Maractus.

[safe depot]

Mars

[molten loom]

I like maractus

https://tenor.com/view/maractus-dancing-happy-gif-14508931

Silly little creature

[safe depot]

Plus GF cut Mega Maractus to spare us from its unholy AG rampage

[gray stream]

yeah?

[summer apex]

I love maractus

I used a maractus as my lead for a while in my cowboy themed comp team

[velvet root]

Mega Maractus would have been nice

[full bison]

Any Gen 5 Mega Pokemon beyond just Audino would have been nice, really

[velvet root]

Gen 6 Dex would have been more fun if megas didnt exist
Mainly cuz we would have had more Pokemon and less bad ones
Its known that GF crippled some mons for the megas to look even stronger

[safe depot]

Except Gen 6 has one of the strongest selections of Pokemon as long as you ignore Dedenne

[gray stream]

did someone say… gen 5 mega?!

[velvet root]

Eh i always see the same handfull of pokemon and rest always gets pushed aside

[clear lichen]

Lumineon's honeslty like

Probably in the upper half of fish Pokemon for me

Assuming you don't bring up those stats

It shares its BST with Camerupt, Sharpedo and Basculin

And distributes them about as well as the worst of the group, Camerupt

Perhaps even worse than it

Fast, frail mixed "attacker"

At least Camerupt does "attack" with not worthless offensive stats and a great type

The most forgettable Pokemon changes very often

Because you know for a fact it's gonna start being remembered for being forgettable, like what happened with Maractus and Lumineon

[weak trellis]

imo popularity in general is too subjective to really measure outside of specific exceptions, mostly the marketing juggernauts like pikachu and whatnot

[rancid nymph]

Who?

[open wraith]

I just popped in to say I'm super hyped for all the medicham fusions. Pure Power Stab boosted double iron bash gonna go crazy

or serene grace double iron bash. 2x 60% flinches. Lol said the fat train conductor. Lol. Lmao.

but yeah Medicham gonna get the azumarill treament and it's gonna be cool cuz I always liked medicham but he was never like..... good

medicham excavalier, crabominable, sawk. Gonna be lit.

[prime dust]

Excavalier is gen 5, not in yet, no eta on addition
Crabombinable is gen 7, not in yet, no eta on addition
Sawk is also gen 5, not in yet, no eta on addition

[open wraith]

I know but I get the feeling they're gonna make it in. Eventually. Maybe not right away, but eventually.

what's everyone else excited for? I'm also pretty excited for melmetal. Double iron bash with serene grace and kings rock is gonna be completely busted.

plus something tells me that melmetal is gonna get a bunch of terminator 2 references which I am so here for.

pretty sure melmetal+porygon z is just gonna get a straight up "I'll be back" flavored skin which I will absolutely be using.

[prime dust]

https://tenor.com/view/tess-spheal-gif-22641311

[open wraith]

dude walreign+ground type is gonna go so hard.

and you can do either with him! Water ground or ice ground they're both good!

and he's so BULKY too

[prime dust]

nah, i'mma just fuse it with goomy and stick an everstone on it

[open wraith]

heheheheh

I respect it.

I keep a Lairon around for just that reason.

Although I haven't figured out what, if anything I'd fuse it with

[spice sage]

They would be cool

[trail hull]

we need a contest wherre yo have to do fully non if fusions and the winner gets both of the components in the game

[proud lion]

Imagine the Monkey sweep

[trail hull]

moneky triple fusion

[molten loom]

No just 2 of them so it's more annoying than getting all 3

[trail hull]

add alomomola instead

[spice sage]

I'd prefer the monkeys

[trail hull]

this was al but part of the plan to predict the next addiciton

elemental monkeys confirmed for pif 2026

[white meadow]

How do I get to Olivine city?

Im genuinely stuck, I have no idea how

Ive looked around Ecruteak and cant find anywhere to go to Olivine

[full bison]

You don't

Olivine isn't in the game

[next flare]

You should tell the dev to add them

[next flare]

The 3ds port contest was almost this

[spice sage]

I heard he's difficult to get ahold of

[trail hull]

we have to wait for the wii u contest

[rancid nymph]

I bet you could get ahold of him if you really wanted to

[next flare]

We should go back to that PIF phase where final evos are added without the rest of the line

[spice sage]

What about just the first stages, without their evos

[next flare]

Like Bidoof

Let’s do it

[spice sage]

I was about to mention that :p

[rancid nymph]

We've already done that for Dunsparce and Girafarig

[spice sage]

everything post gen 7 is non-canon

[velvet root]

I kinda wonder what Mons Frog adds to Hoenn first for some kind of uniquness

Idc if new or old

I would add these Froggos

[little flint]

Is this gonna be a pif update when its all finished or a separate download game?
Because I honestly think itd be absolutely dope if its just updates that way theirs only 1 game for absolutely all the regions plus I think itd be easier and less stressful on the developer and it'd fit with infinite fusions best

[full bison]

There's not enough map space for Hoenn to be an update to the main game.

It's therefore a separate game

[summer apex]

it's easier and less stressful on the developer to make it a second game

[full bison]

Also a Pokemon game with every single region would not be a fun game at all. The Pokemon gameplay loop is not sustainable for extremely long games

The Johto games push the loop for about as far as it can be tolerated

Not to mention the aforementioned map limit

[lofty spindle]

You know, ever since seeing Beartic has fairly exclusive access to Slush Rush, I had been kinda interested in seeing it in Infinite Fusion.

[trail hull]

honestly it raises new problems like for balancing , after the second region you would have reached the max level or infinite level caps and for the wild pokemon they will already be able to fully evolve

[full bison]

The scary thing about that is that it only got that in Gen 7, and as a result it's uncertain that it will maintain it as a result as some Pokemon don't have access to abilities they got later on in the series

For example, Milotic doesn't have access to Competitive here, despite it being a Gen 6 ability it got in that gen

[clear lichen]

Yeah a lot of abilities in IF are from Gen 5

Is Chandelure Shadow Tag still a thing here

[full bison]

Chandelure does indeed have Shadow Tag instead of Infiltrator

Beartic getting added and praised initially as the shot in the arm that Hail teams needed only to instead just use Swift Swim to further the Rain agenda would be both funny and sad

Granted it would probably be mostly used on rain teams anyway considering Rain is just a factually better weather than Hail, but Hail should at least have something.

[lofty spindle]

Considering other content up until gen 7 is go, maybe it is not unthinkable.

[safe depot]

I'm really glad the fandom has moved on (for the most part) of that really stupid mentality that Pokemon games needed multiple regions.

That shit was so ass and would've made the games even worse. Suppose its help that a lot of people have realized how undercooked Johto is because of it.

[weak trellis]

I feel like gaming in general has moved beyond a "more content = better game" mindset into preferring tighter designed games in the past 4-5 years, even if they comparably aren't as long

[viscid hull]

I like 2 regions, everything more and it doesn't work because of the levels

[full bison]

The marathon of mediocre open world games probably has a large part to do with that

[weak trellis]

probably lol

[proud lion]

https://tenor.com/view/howlers-den-squirtle-squad-timezone-one-of-us-squirtle-gif-10319559013149219216

[rancid nymph]

The monkeys >>>>>> Luvdisc

I know Luvdisc isn’t the Pokémon we were talking about, I’m just saying

[lofty spindle]

Length is ok if I can do interesting things even after finishing.

[weak trellis]

I mean the water monke alone is already a heads up over luvdisc stats-wise rofl

[zenith token]

to be fair, Hail in Infinite Fusion also needs a more accessible Pokémon with Snow Warning than it currently does

[white oriole]

Wait? Is there a sequel game to infinite fusion? I thought there was just the Leaf Green version(I am new)

[viscid fossil]

There will be

[white oriole]

Oh? Any idea when?

[molten loom]

when its finished

[white oriole]

Well no duh just curious if a general release date has been said

[molten loom]

no

[ivory seal]

https://tenor.com/cODBuUfNhVa.gif

[quaint matrix]

Another day another Water bias because of course it is

This is all your fault Ken Sugimori (somehow)

[bronze veldt]

Does this mean base infinite fusion is considered finished?

Like there will be no more added mons

[full bison]

Not necessarily

Also both games will be able to transfer between each other, is the additions to one are technically additions to the other

[quaint matrix]

You'd also still be able to use the new PIF Hoenn mons in base PIF

Now whether or not they're added to base PIF who knows

[prime dust]

it is already confirmed they will at minimum get tossed into the randomizer pool

since that seems to be easier to do that having to dedicate time to putting the mons on specific routes

[quaint matrix]

I'm sure they'll have their own added route whereabouts at some point

[velvet root]

As I heard base game wont get all pokemon catchable in classic or remix
But completing dex wont make you catch the mons in another game

[prime dust]

nah...make people suffer

bump up the number

[lofty spindle]

Oh version transfer will be a thing? I wonder how accessible it will be, and if it checks legality.

[molten loom]

You can see it working in #dev-updates

[lofty spindle]

Mhm... though it seems my questions have yet to be answered, with time, then.

[plush osprey]

@cunning beacon here?

[cunning beacon]

👀

[plush osprey]

you could put suggestion here for pif sequel

or

#game-suggestions

[prime dust]

it would need to be here

the other is mostly for the current game

there was a suggestion form, seems to have vanished

[molten loom]

Nah it's still in #server-forms

[prime dust]

this is what I get for a lack of sleep

[rancid nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/sleep-time-gif-25989084

[prime dust]

sadly i'm already awake and not tired enough mentally or phsyically to sleep

[plush osprey]

henc I redirected mega here?

[lucid oar]

they will be added on the routes going to cianwood and olivine because that’s the next addition to the game after PIF Hoenn comes out trust ||this is a joke that’s not going to happen frog has made it very clear lmao||

[lucid oar]

oh I remember he said that lmao

[thin pawn]

Couldn't he add those cities but without the gyms

[lucid oar]

I mean, I don’t think adding anything to the map is easy

[thin pawn]

That's true

But frog is the goat

[lucid oar]

trueee

[full bison]

I'm convinced there will be some Mythical that's added to the Lighthouse and that's the big plan on adding Olivine

Maybe Marshadow, Magearna, or Zeraora. I can see all three of them working for it

[lucid oar]

I feel like melmetal would actually be the best mythical for it not currently in the game but I’m not sure how valid that is for addition, given that sometimes it’s called a gen 7 mon and sometimes it’s called “undefined”

[full bison]

Double Iron Bash is available as a move in this game, so I would say it's eligible

[lucid oar]

oh I didn’t know you could get DIB do you only know that from randomized movesets

[full bison]

Legendary Move Expert

It can be learned by Ambipom fused with any Steel type

[lucid oar]

oh that’s fun

[full bison]

It's not considered fun over on the Showdown server lol

It was so toxic it got banned

Flinches are rough

Honestly though I'm not sure how Frog would go about implementing Meltan/Melmetal. They're weird lil guys that don't act like Pokemon normally do due to being a Pokemon GO cross promotion

[lucid oar]

I mean he just arbitrarily made trade Pokémon evolve at level 40

instead of trading

so he could just arbitrarily choose a level that Meltan evolves at

or make a requirement for it

like, “level up Meltan at at least level 30 with 5 other Meltan in your party”

[molten loom]

and swirlix at level 35 for some reason

[lucid oar]

(since Melmetal is a fusion of more Meltan)

maybe there’s a quest where 6 meltan appear in tech-related spots and you have to go catch them

like, p2 laboratory, the power plant, the radio tower, silph co, and a couple others

[thin pawn]

Fuse two meltan to get meltantan, then fuse two meltantan to get melmeltan, fuse two of those and you finally get a Melmetal

[safe depot]

Make Meltan use the Shiny Stone or something so more mons use it

[full bison]

If any stone needs more Pokemon to evolve with it, it's the Dawn Stone

[rancid nymph]

Or better yet, how about we just cut Meltan from the game

[proud lion]

We cookin again, boys.

[full bison]

New Pokemon back on the table

Time to once more start rallying for Mienshao

Genuinely wasn't expecting something like this for at least a year

[molten loom]

ah good ways to start a purge of those we don't need here

[tropic dew]

Could you maybe not?

[full bison]

I have enough faith in the moderation team at this point to imagine the Rule 2 swarm they would induce would be handled after a while

[molten loom]

thats what I mean by purge

[tropic dew]

Just putting this out there, but is it weird to trust that there would at least be a good number of people who wouldn't be weird about these Pokemon, maybe?

[full bison]

Salazzle was one of the frontrunners of the last Pokemon votes too IIRC, it has a real chance of getting in

[molten loom]

people were weird about goodra, I have 0 faith

[tropic dew]

Folks have put enough of an emphasis on not violating these rules enough times that there should be folks who get the message by now.

... but why though??? Goodra's friend shaped?!

https://tenor.com/view/clueless-aware-twitch-forsen-emote-gif-25354609

buh

[full bison]

How about instead of talking about stuff like that we just go back to shilling for the Pokemon we most want to see added that's feasible

[craggy nexus]

lets fucking go team salazzle

[full bison]

Like Mienshao

Araquanid would be fun too. Always fun to have another way to break the game

[molten loom]

I do quite like this line from my black 2 run

also I swear if ruby wins and people vote for this

[full bison]

Gen 5 has a lot of winners that have yet to be added

[unkempt kernel]

I wish I could help out the teams but I don’t do comp battling (mainly cus I don’t understand it) so I doubt the one I’d like would get in

[full bison]

Which addition do you think would make people the maddest? The Foongus line, the Vanillite line, Alomomola, or the monkeys?

[unkempt kernel]

The monkeys I think

[unkempt kernel]

Like idc what the other mons on that team are, it’s got my favourite mon on it so I’m hoping it does well

[craggy nexus]

i just notice the timbur line isnt in the options

[unkempt kernel]

Oh really?

I just want my gen 4 electric squirrel and that’s it

[tropic dew]

Honestly, Salazzle fusions would be dangerous to contend with, assuming their signature Ability, Corrosion, is included. That's the one that lets them use poison-inflicting moves to poison a Pokemon regardless of their type, rendering the poison immunity of Steel types and other Poison types pointless.

[full bison]

Where exactly are the lists of which team can vote for what, out of curiosity?

[fathom ridge]

WE ARE BACK FELLAS

[molten loom]

in the schedule

[craggy nexus]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NwAFmtPq7K3iN25YbOfXAttBR_-HEayRXyS-wb0nr5Q/edit?tab=t.bdbyr7r84ddx

[vocal pivot]

Gastrodon or archeops would be neat

[molten loom]

under team rewards

[full bison]

Probably going to support Team Magma Ruby on this one, as it has the most of my favorite choices. Mienshao, Gigalith, Excadrill, Darmanitan, Hippowdon, Musharna...

Also all three teams having Burmy as an option is a terrifying omen

The idea of forming Musharna's dream mist into stuff that the fused Pokemon dreams of is such a fun idea that I can't not put my weight behind that

How many people do you think would get the reference if I made a Musharna/Spoink fusion dreaming of space?

[prime dust]

no the funnier bit is that there is a 2 slot gap of a blank space in each list [this is a joke]

i swear i don't see anything here...

someone prob goofed

[full bison]

"since every spriter joined a team that has one of the monkeys in it, clearly that's a sign that everyone wants them in the game. Therefore, the new Pokemon additions are all 6 of them!" -Frog in a month, probably

[prime dust]

lol

[molten loom]

hey if emerald wins this old propaganda can be used

Also hope wishiwashi doesn't win as I would have to do a run with it fused to sunkern

[prime dust]

yeah team emerald is goated choice wise

sapphire got shafted

ruby is okay

[full bison]

Sapphire has some cool stuff in it but it's super held back by being mostly Water types

I'd be down for Toxicroak, Clawitzer, Zebstrika, Eelektross, Araquanid, and Dragalge, but wow does it have some baggage attached to it with stuff like Swanna and Lumineon

[jade grotto]

What do you mean !!!!! Lumineon is the goat

[rancid nymph]

If we're going to have the garbadge fish that is Luvdisc, we might as well have Lumineon

Also, what's wrong with Swanna?

[full bison]

Boring

Swanna could be removed from the game and all that would be different is Skyla needing a new ace.

[prime dust]

yeah but...it is a swan

and much like geese...they hate your guts

[rancid nymph]

I think some interesting fusions could be made from Swanna

Plus, I'm going Sapphire to fulfill my duty as the leader (and sole member) of the ACDF

[weak trellis]

I'm not sure how I feel about splitting the monkies but after looking at the teams I'm tempted to defect to ruby for the FURF

then again emerald has beheeyem and charjabug lol

[rancid nymph]

Furfrou is way more boring then Swanna

[full bison]

Furfrou is one of the least boring Pokemon ever from a fusion perspective thanks to all the haircuts it can have that spriters would have to work with

[fathom ridge]

What team is furfrou?

[tropic dew]

Ruby iirc

[fathom ridge]

Darn

I have to go emerald for my boy vikavolt

[tropic dew]

I voted Ruby myself, but honestly, Vikavolt is a VERY strong contender on Emerald's roster.

It's literally a bug designed to resemble the Vic Viper shmup ship

[fathom ridge]

Emerald has a good few that I really like, ribombee is also a silly goober

[full bison]

Emerald is definitely my second favorite team. It winning would be fine by me cause it has the second highest number of Pokemon I want

[tropic dew]

Vikavolt's basically a free pass to have all kinds of fusions that reference other shmup series

[fathom ridge]

Rail cannon battle is awesome

[tropic dew]

yee

[rancid nymph]

Wait I just realized: Lurantis isn't on the list

[fathom ridge]

Ruby has some awesome rock types

[fathom ridge]

It’s on the game

[full bison]

It's already in

[rancid nymph]

Oh right 🤦‍♂️

[full bison]

Here's my personal Top five favorites from:
Ruby: Mienshao, Gigalith, Musharna, Excadrill, Darmanitan
Sapphire: Clawitzer, Araquanid, Eelektross, Accelgor, Dragalge
Emerald: Vikavolt, Staraptor, Tsareena, Sigilyph, Vespiquen

[tropic dew]

But yeah, while I did vote Ruby, Emerald has a lot of visually interesting Pokemon in its roster. Leavanny, Liligant, and Tsareena are ones I'm fairly certain folks have been asking for... Vespiquen's also a fun addition, as well as Vikavolt.

Also, Braviary is probably one of my favorite regional birds

[full bison]

There's good Pokemon in every team, it's just a matter of which team has the most of your favorites

[tropic dew]

ayup

[rancid nymph]

Braviary isn’t a regional bird

[tropic dew]

I mean in Unova it is, afaik

Hm,

[rancid nymph]

Unfeazant is the Unova regional bird

[tropic dew]

oh yeah...

still a better bird than Unfeazant

[rancid nymph]

Braviary is a version exclusive found at the butt end of the game

[full bison]

At an unfeasible evolution level too, cause Unova

[next flare]

@hexed agate Can i have a pin?

[hexed agate]

no

[full bison]

I am so worried that either the Burmy line or the monkeys are going to be troll additions coming from this

[quaint matrix]

Also Fur Coat

Fur Coat is lowkey insane it's just that its on a Normal-type so the potential is just not really there

[full bison]

Fur Coat on a Normal/Ghost tho

Imagine

[rancid nymph]

Again, we have Luvdisc, which is way worse

[quaint matrix]

Hell I think even on a Normal/Steel it could do work

[safe depot]

giving Unfezant physical STAB would be neat

[safe depot]

I feel like while its slightly less effective, I'd rather run Fluffy on a Bewear fusion

[quaint matrix]

I mean sure but that's because it's a Bewear

And Bewear doesn't exactly have pretty stellar defensive stats iirc

[safe depot]

No but it has high attack and decent enough HP to benefit any defensive fusion

[weak trellis]

the high HP does wonders on bewear

and a secondary fighting type on the body

as for furfrou the high speed does give it a niche over bewear even if its stats are overall lower

[rain locust]

https://tenor.com/view/mienshao-gif-8250482443940421883

Team Ruby Sweep

mienshao/mandibuzz/excadrill/alomomola

[elfin forge]

I’m thinking of picking Ruby bc Hippowdon is my most wanted mon in IF rn

[weak trellis]

my alliance is like 50% emerald 40% ruby 10% sapphire (rip poor liepard and comfey having to share a room with all of the water types)

also for anyone who wants some grade A 🧀 , ruby has Diggersby which is a third x2 power user

[safe depot]

Emerald barely wins out for me

[quaint matrix]

Tbh while we're here I really do think there's a good way to like add Regionals without having to add literal Regional mons

We just give their sig abilities to the og mons in question

[full bison]

Imagine there's some crazy twist that a Mon from all 3 teams ends up being picked and it's a matter of the most popular/sprited Mon from each

Probably not gonna end up happening like that, but a man can dream

[outer matrix]

burmy

(because it's a choice in all 3 teams)

[full bison]

As much as I dislike the Burmy line, I do have a funny mental image of a Burmy/Snorlax fusion where the big guy is just eating a Trash Cloak version thinking it's cotton candy

"this candy floss tastes an awful lot like Fiberglass..."

[quaint matrix]

I do think Burmy would legitimately be the most troll choice available

It has fusion potential but like

Fans?

[rancid nymph]

The fact that the 3 Wormadam forms are associated with different teams makes me think that we’re only getting one form if it gets added. And if that’s the case, there’s no point in adding it, because the line won’t have access to their gimmick

[outer matrix]

what if frog added burmy in regardless of whatever team wins

[full bison]

Honestly I don't see that much fusion potential there is for the Wormadam bodies. I can't see too many different ways that spriters can differentiate the difference in Wormadam forms as bodies when their whole thing is the different stuff they've covered themselves in, AKA the kind of thing that's usually reserved for Head fusions

Wormadam Heads would be fine tho

[full bison]

I imagine he's more likely to do this with the monkeys, seeing as he's voiced approval of them beforehand and they're in a very similar situation as the Burmy line in this

Just as much of a troll too

[next flare]

I was horrified at the implication of the Timburr line being added because it initially wasn’t listed under any team

[quaint matrix]

I'm trying to be nice about it but realistically yeah no there's no potential

It's the most boring Pokemon line out there

Just the combination of being bug but with stuff surrounding it but it has a gender evo that's literally just a guy moth + it being just a bad mon in general

[safe depot]

There would be a lot of Pizza fusions with Womadam Earth

[full bison]

Even as a big fan of Bug Pokemon, I gotta say that Mothim has to be the single most mogged Pokemon in existence. There's so many other Moths, and they're all more memorable than him

Venomoth has secretly been a really solid Mon since Gen 5, Dustox has a much more memorable design, Volcarona is... Well... It's Volcarona, and Frosmoth is a really pretty design with a cool signature ability

[quaint matrix]

Like the thing is you can have bad/craptastic mons and have them still be iconic

There's just nothing fun about the way Burmy line is bad

[safe depot]

Just a wasted idea

Mothim feels like it was originally meant to evolve again, but it just doesn’t

[quaint matrix]

It feels like it would've been another Dawn Stone evo but for some reason they just

Decided it's a gender thing from the jump instead of it being Wormadam most of the time

God forbid a Bug mon be interesting (thank god for Gen 5)

[safe depot]

Heracross, Pinsir and the Scyther line are cool

[gray stream]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-gogoat-prajwal-gif-20189492

[full bison]

"Congratulations to Team Emerald for winning the event!" It's now time to announce the next Pokemon addition.
Just like last year's popularity vote, it's a Grass type.
It's easily identified by the foliage growing across its body.
It's based on an ungulate!
Please welcome the newest Pokemon to come to Infinite Fusion...

Sawsbuck!

[summer apex]

sawsbuck would be pretty rad though

[full bison]

I know, I just find it funny how similar they are conceptually

[summer apex]

wait what was last year's pop vote

I genuinely don't rember

[full bison]

Lurantis

[summer apex]

why

[safe depot]

Pajama wearing Scythe Grass type?

[summer apex]

scyther wearing pajamas, yea

[safe depot]

Most people in this community care about looks, designs and potential for sprites

Forbid the Pokemon itself being good to use

[full bison]

I base the stuff I want in on a combination of design potential and what they bring to the table mechanically.

[safe depot]

I just wanna take Pokemon I would normally never really use and create a unique and strong fusion out of them

Its why I kinda want Unfezant

[full bison]

It's why I'm so passionate about Mienshao in particular- a very unique design amongst fighting types, and a fun design space in regards to both being a decent Special Attacking Fighting type and having Regenerator while being a glass cannon

[safe depot]

Mienshao could be interesting

A fast fighter with an attack stat past 110 is nice

[full bison]

Gogoat could be fun too considering it's the only Pokemon with Grassy Pelt, but I would want it added with something I can hopefully convince Frog could get Grassy Surge

[safe depot]

That’s just Tapu Bulu sadly

[full bison]

Frog does have a tendency to give Pokemon without any meaningful Hidden Abilities new stuff. For example, Delibird getting Snow Warning and Flygon getting Dry Skin.

As a result I can kinda see an argument towards giving Grassy Surge to something like Carnivine, which doesn't have a Hidden Ability

[safe depot]

Why not Cherrim?

And then let Carnivine be a second Strong Jaw pokemon

[full bison]

Cherrim could be another option, but I can also see the argument that Flower Gift is already enough of a distinct gimmick for it.

[safe depot]

Oh god Flower Gift on something with stats

[full bison]

More Sun team fun is always welcome in my book

Not enough for me to abandon my boys Mienshao and Gigalith, but definitely up there on the Emerald side

[safe depot]

wormadam plant cloak

[quaint matrix]

Hey Frog if you're reading this can you give the Meowth line Fur Coat

Give me my not-Alolan Meowth this way 🙏

[full bison]

Rotom with Galvanize would be pretty cool too, considering it doesn't have the appliance gimmick anymore

[quaint matrix]

Whoa red name

Can a mon just be programmed to have two different Hidden Abilities

It would just be the same kinda code as like any mons with two different abilities wouldn't it

[safe depot]

I really don't wanna turn every HA into a coin flip

That sounds genuinely fucking awful

also can I get a Team Emerald role is that a thing?

[full bison]

#event-announcements message

[safe depot]

Found it

Anyway

[full bison]

Will probably start drawing stuff again in the name of Mienshao propaganda

[safe depot]

This is still one of the worst things I've ever heard of in Pokemon. I wouldn't even bother with the system if that' was the case

[rain locust]

https://tenor.com/view/red-role-red-role-is-better-red-role-supremacy-red-role-flex-chromatic-role-gif-5145902198799626220

[clear lichen]

There's 2 types of Amoonguss voters
"Yo, Regenerator and Spore? This shit's gonna go so hard for my fusions"
"AMONG US"

[safe depot]

There's already plenty of those in game

[full bison]

There's also the Spriter angle of that
"The PokeBall and Mushroom motifs could be really interesting to implement into various fusions."
"How many times can I sprite Crewmate variations with this guy before people bring out the torches and pitchforks?"

[safe depot]

https://tenor.com/view/bask-in-the-superiority-green-role-gif-17657558061758863158

[full bison]

From the Emerald selection, I think I'm most interested in the gameplay implications of Staraptor, what with guaranteed Flying type transferral and STAB Reckless Brave Bird

[rain locust]

https://tenor.com/view/you're-still-a-green-role-your-still-a-green-role-green-role-moss-role-greenie-gif-5982759434227949876

[safe depot]

https://tenor.com/view/gojo-satoru-red-role-gojo-red-role-gif-10332570022337826605

[gray stream]

https://tenor.com/view/red-role-roleist-period-role-back-off-red-role-gif-14501884089982795783

[safe depot]

why are there so many of these GIFs what type of shit do Anime servers get up to

[full bison]

Let's not be surprised that a collection of anime fans can be toxic lol

[quaint matrix]

Hype moments and aura

[clear lichen]

Gonna go with Team Ruby because it has a lot of Pokemon that I really want

I'd be fine with all 3 though tbh

They all have something I want

[full bison]

Same

[velvet root]

I go with emerald cuz I get a slim chance for Gogoat finaly getting its deserved place with the other beloved teams

[quaint matrix]

Ruby definitely is stacked with the mons I want to

[velvet root]

But everyone has theyr wants and I wish best of luck to everyone

[quaint matrix]

Diggersby, Furfrou, Excadrill, Archeops, etc

[solar coral]

going w sapphire for the vanillite line and the infinite fun sundaes to be made

[safe depot]

https://tenor.com/view/blue-role-blue-aqua-role-aqua-aqua-roles-gif-12242037083989466285

these gifs are gonna get a lot of use this month

[full bison]

Definitely mostly about Ruby cause of Mienshao, Musharna, and Gigalith, but I'm fine with Sapphire winning if it means Clawitzer or Araquanid, as well as Emerald if it means Staraptor or Vikavolt

[quaint matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/imaginary-technique-stfu-green-role-green-role-moss-role-jjk-gif-6675911484838116180

[safe depot]

https://tenor.com/view/clown-funny-discord-meme-red-role-gif-5686384594427081570

[clear lichen]

Pokemon I want the most from Ruby: Hippowdon, Gigalith, Excadrill, Darmanitan, Archeops, Mienshao, Diggersby (Huge Power goes brrrr)
Pokemon I want the most from Sapphire: Escavalier and Accelgor, Dragalge and Clawitzer, Araquanid
Emerald: Staraptor, Vikavolt, Ribombee

[clear lichen]

Yes, I'm a Silksong fan, how could you tell?

[quaint matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/boo-boo-boo-boo-the-fool-im-boo-boo-im-boo-bo-the-fool-gif-19012620

[marble meadow]

Team sky outfit or a rayquaza outfit for pif hoen

[safe depot]

Sidenote the sad thing about adding Staraptor to the game is that it will completely invalidate Pidgeot, Fearow and Dodrio for anyone wanting to use them lol

Unless you make it so Starly is like super late

[quaint matrix]

I think Dodrio and even Fearow still gets some usage

Drill Peck is a no frills great move to have

Pidgeot absolutely gets invalidated though

[safe depot]

STAB Drill Peck hits the same BP as Neutral Close Combat

[quaint matrix]

Without the stat reductions though

[safe depot]

With a Hyper Offense mon? Doesn’t really matter

Its was CC is a problem in comp settings

[marble meadow]

well all the Teams has good Mons but i realy want either vespiqeen escavalier or malamar

[rain locust]

made a tier list of mons based on how impactful theyd be

in comp

[safe depot]

Imagine Mienshao + Staraptor

[quaint matrix]

Hippowdon would absolutely rock this game's comp

A much more accessible Sand Stream on a monotype goes real hard

[safe depot]

Hippo would've been so nice on MonoRock

[quaint matrix]

I'm surprised Araquanid is F considering Water Bubble

It does have a really bad skewed fusion stats though so I see it

[safe depot]

Araquanid + speed

[rain locust]

bc bubble instantly gets banned

[quaint matrix]

Oh lmao

[safe depot]

I mean

its still bulky?

[quaint matrix]

You can get bulk everywhere Araquanid isn't exactly special

[safe depot]

This stat spread + Sticky Web is something

[rain locust]

68 hp sucks

and its stuck to bug

[safe depot]

Better then Pex at least

[rain locust]

pex balances it out with regen

and is usually used as body

[safe depot]

Its Water/Bug

So it would be water = Head

So no actually Water would be the better side

Since that's special defense

Fucking Araq + Hippo lol

[rain locust]

oops

regardless something like suicune/milotic outclasses it

[safe depot]

It would have its niche

again Water type with webs

[rain locust]

webs doesnt pair with being slow

[safe depot]

And Leech Life is a move it could use

[rain locust]

not when you want to remove bug

[safe depot]

Mate people in Gen 9 were using Webs with stuff like Masqurain and Spidops

hell Araq rose to OU because of Webs

[rain locust]

maybe in early meta but not now

araq is good in ou bc the best spinner is tusk and defog got axed

[safe depot]

and water bubble allowed it to obliterate tusk but that's not relevant here

[rain locust]

this is gen 7 theres still a billion defoggers

its also a fatter meta so webs is already a niche archetype

[safe depot]

and uh, lot of stuff to stab Magic bounce on

But still, there's way to easily make it work

[clear lichen]

Idk without Water Bubble it definitely will be nowhere near the best webs setter

[safe depot]

Water Absorb, Plus webs and that stat spread is at least niche worthy

[clear lichen]

And there's 0 way around it, Water Bubble will be banned

Would be funny in playthroughs though

[quaint matrix]

Yeah anaconja says it already

Araquanid definitely in the same lane as Slaking and Blissey where it definitely is just a mon you will want to fuse with anything because of what it inherently has

[safe depot]

eh I think you guys are underrating it

[clear lichen]

Anyways with Water Bubble (and Huge Power) ban in mind yeah no this seems pretty correct

[rain locust]

i forgot a bunch of mons so i have to add them

[clear lichen]

Sigilyph feels like something that will be fused entirely for its cracked ability lineup

[clear lichen]

Where Amoonguss

[rain locust]

d

[quaint matrix]

Being able to give Abomasnow a different type out of the two it has definitely gives it great improvement

[safe depot]

I feel a lot of those mons are getting undersold (Braviary, Swoobat, Stoutland and Drapion especially)

[clear lichen]

Ah right fuck Spore's banned uhh

[safe depot]

and Lilligant

(unless Q-Dance is banned)

[quaint matrix]

I'm guessing Alomomola goes hard because its just a real bulker