#pif-hoenn-discussion

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clear lichen
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But as a Coverage option, that's not the case

full bison
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Also the whole Expanding Force Psychic Surge thing, but it's debatable how much of that strategy's viability can be pinned on the Psychic type

quaint matrix
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Also the thing about Psychic's super effectiveness is like

clear lichen
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That's the single place where I'd say Psychic is better than Ghost

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Everything else, Ghost is better

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Or equal

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And it has far fewer disadvantages

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With those disadvantages being less crippling

quaint matrix
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It either already has other better weaknesses to take advantage of (Fighting) or they're often chunked easily anyway even without Psychic chunking it (Poison)

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Like how are you as a type only effective to two types

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That's Electric also but Electric notably has a lot to show for it defensively

clear lichen
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I'll give Psychic credit where credit is due

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Poison is a good defensive type

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And Fighting has its defensive niches too

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These aren't bad types to hit for SE

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Still a bottom 3 type and in my case I'd straight up argue it as a bottom 2 and possibly even bottom 1, I just really think Psychic is a dogshit type

quaint matrix
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It is dogshit

clear lichen
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The only reason I am not comfortable in claiming outright it's bottom 1 is because Bug exists

vocal pivot
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Swap it with fighting

clear lichen
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Bug is like Psychic but reversed

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It's... acceptable? Defensively

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But offensively?

full bison
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I've seen some people argue that Psychic is a good type cause it has good support moves, but let's be real support moves can be any type at all and nobody would care. It's just flavor.

clear lichen
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Abysmal Dogshit

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And yes, I do think Psychic is that terrible defensively

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There is 1 reason to like Psychic defensively and that's the Fighting resist

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And all 3 weaknesses are horrid

quaint matrix
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Its so pitiful that Psychic still only has two resists to this day

clear lichen
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U-Turn is so common

quaint matrix
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Ground has that too but like

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It's an offensive beast

clear lichen
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Ghost is a massive offensive threat

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And Dark is an in between

quaint matrix
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Psychic is a offensive kitten

clear lichen
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Where it's an actual offensive type

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But it does have its "Everyone uses these" moves

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AKA Knock Off lmao

full bison
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Ground's weaknesses also aren't the worst. Bulky Ground types have been meta staples for a while now

clear lichen
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Ground is honestly balanced despite being probably a top 5 type

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It has very strong attributes but also has clear weaknesses

quaint matrix
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That's what I said lol

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Ground is Big 5 type but like the only good one

clear lichen
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Having Ice and Water weaknesses where Ice is one of the best offensive types (even if it isn't used like one by Gamefreak) and Water is a top 3 type is obviously terrible

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But resisting Stealth Rocks is pretty good

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And being immune to Electric is massive

quaint matrix
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Ground got a lot to show for it even with having some key weaknesses

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All the other 4 types are just ridiculously good without any significant holes

clear lichen
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Especially with Electric having a pivot move to block

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Anyways speaking of pivot moves

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I'm not entirely sure on how exactly to handle U-Turn

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If you only care about game mechanics, you can restrict it to almost exclusively Bug types

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But as much as I hate to say it

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U-Turn probably fits better on the Flying types than it does the Bug types

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But if you make U-Turn a Flying move, not only does it become more broken, but the Bug type becomes more dogshit

quaint matrix
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Idk

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I wonder if U-Turn is the reason Bug types never got anything good ever

clear lichen
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Even though arguably Flying types benefit more from its existence than Bug types

quaint matrix
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"Well who cares if they're resisted by this many types they'll just U-Turn anyway"

clear lichen
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More Flying types get U-Turn than Bug types

quaint matrix
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GameFreak says, while only a smatter of Bug mons actually learn it

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I never said GF makes sense

clear lichen
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And out of the Bug types

full bison
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The best Bug types came after U-Turn was introduced TBF

clear lichen
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A lot of the ones that want it the most don't get it

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While Pokemon that'd never use it like quite a few of the Quiver Dancers do

quaint matrix
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Never again are we gonna get such a redemption arc for a type

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Make them get resisted by Fairy! Have half their reps every new gen be dog ass as well

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We really need new gen Butterfrees and Beedrills to take up slots

clear lichen
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There is the argument that Bug is meant to be THE early game type

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So it being bad makes sense

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And that lines up with Normal

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But like

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Flying type

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Lmfao

quaint matrix
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Dogshit argument btw because Water is a starter type and it's still the Big 3 to this day for no reason

raw sand
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Is this game complete?

clear lichen
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At least Fire is rare outside of being a starter

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quaint matrix
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Not even just a common type it's the type with the most rep

clear lichen
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I couldn't remember if Normal was more common or not

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Lol

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I know those are the top 2

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But I cant remember the order

quaint matrix
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It's slightly more common than Normal yea

clear lichen
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Anyways, with that being said

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Psychic is the most common type on legendaries

quaint matrix
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I can't put into so much words like

clear lichen
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And very rare early game

quaint matrix
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How much I hate Water type

clear lichen
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WHY THE FUCK IS IT SO ASS

quaint matrix
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People point to Steel and Fairy as problematic and yeah they are but also like

clear lichen
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Did Gamefreak get traumatised by seeing Psychic tear apart Gen 1?

quaint matrix
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Water had it good for too fucking long

clear lichen
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Do they get an intense panic attack whenever looking at the Psychic type

full bison
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Fairy is also a pretty early type, looking back

clear lichen
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And hence can't bring themselves to buff it?

quaint matrix
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9 generations in and somehow not a single time was Water getting looked at

clear lichen
quaint matrix
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Steel at least is kinda dog ass offensively

clear lichen
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Bulky Waters have existed since the beginning of Pokemon

full bison
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Freaking Azurill of all Pokemon is on the second route in Scarlet and Violet, and you can get the wrecking ball that is Azumarill before the 1st gym.

quaint matrix
clear lichen
clear lichen
quaint matrix
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By this metric Steel is also a well accepted top 3 but we all know that type needs to go

clear lichen
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I have seen multiple people mention it as problematic

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But far less than Fairy or Steel ofc

full bison
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I genuinely think the Marill line is the most consistently powerful singleplayer Pokemon in the game. It's almost always available early and Huge Power is ludicrous

clear lichen
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Arguably Water is more atrocious

quaint matrix
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Yeah the fact that it has been here since the 90s makes people think it's okay

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But I'd argue it makes it worse

clear lichen
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Because from an in game viewpoint

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Grass is like

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A C tier type

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Fire type is like low to mid A tier

alpine rune
clear lichen
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And then Water is like

quaint matrix
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Steel being broken and Fairy being broken is the product of them being explicitly a counter type to the dominating type of the old gens (Psychic and Dragon)

clear lichen
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SSS

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Where the fuck is the starter type balancing lmfaooooo

quaint matrix
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Water is just broken from Day 1 though

quaint matrix
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Who cares if bulky Water types all can learn Ice types

clear lichen
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And then Water gets Ice coverage for Grass, Fire gets Solar Beam in Sun for Water and Grass gets... uhh...

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And yes, Solar Beam in Sun is very specific

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... Which kinda proves the "Water is so fucking ridiculous" point even further

alpine rune
full bison
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Grass gets benefits in sun so it can rub shoulders with Fire instead of getting killed by them in it (that will still happen anyway)

quaint matrix
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And once again back to my suggestion

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Ice and Poison should be effective against Water

clear lichen
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Extreme cold can make metals brittle

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Make Ice SE vs Steel

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What's the worst that could happen?

quaint matrix
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Honestly it's baffling that Steel only has 3 weaknesses while Rock and Grass got fucked with 5

clear lichen
quaint matrix
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Yeah

clear lichen
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But Steel then gets 50 fucking resistances

quaint matrix
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But not while you have that many-yep

alpine rune
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I'd say water is not broken, its just consistent. Fire type is offensively good, but it suffers with a lot of common weaknesses like rock, ground and water despite 7 resistances. Grass on the other hand has a lot of quirky support moves like status moves, seeding moves, healing moves etc. Water is just that, a good type with no gimmicks.

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here comes

clear lichen
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It is unbalanced

quaint matrix
clear lichen
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Anyways can we PLEASE talk about how Steel is arguably better defensively than Psychic/Steel

quaint matrix
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I get what you mean but Water just being a good type with no frills while Grass just kinda gets fucked defensively with only being a flavorful support/status typer is not really the defense that it is

clear lichen
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Psychic/Steel is often seen as the best Psychic dual type

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So the fact that it is like

quaint matrix
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That's more for Psychic than it is for Steel

alpine rune
clear lichen
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Not even fully better than the Steel type itself

quaint matrix
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Psychic is absolutely the load type

clear lichen
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Is actually just

clear lichen
alpine rune
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its consistent

clear lichen
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Psychic/Steel isn't the best because Psychic did something

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Psychic/Steel is the best because Psychic ruins it less than every other type

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And it sucks

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Like you could probably say Ghost/Psychic is like, a top 5 Psychic dual type

full bison
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Psychic/Steel was also nerfed out of relevance since Steel no longer protects Psychic from Dark or Ghost lol

clear lichen
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But it's also easily the WORST Ghost dual type

quaint matrix
clear lichen
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And it isn't even a conversation

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It's a fact

quaint matrix
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A lot of types have their own bulky versions

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Bulky Grass, bulky Fire, etc etc

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And they do some work

clear lichen
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Every type can do something defensively

quaint matrix
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Bulky Water wouldn't be so insane if it can at least get consistent chunking from other types

clear lichen
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... Except Ice and Rock

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Which also happen to be types that are very commonly slow and bulky

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Probably more so than every other type except maybe Ground

quaint matrix
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Bulky Water types is insane because on top of being bulky it can chunk the types its supposed to counter

clear lichen
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Gamefreak is a master at balancing

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Now, you may want to ask what Psychic does to do something defensively

alpine rune
clear lichen
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It gets carried

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actually lemme check

clear lichen
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Which at least is better than what you can say on Ice or Rock

daring burrow
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Oh boy, IF sequel

clear lichen
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Yup

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Can't wait dragon/fairy garchomp

alpine rune
quaint matrix
clear lichen
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Which surprisingly is something that Dondozo is somewhat lacking in

alpine rune
quaint matrix
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Individual cases and case by case basis doesn't exactly deny a lot

clear lichen
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It has Avalanche, which is good if your opponent is a physical, weak to Ice Pokemon that isn't a Grass type

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AKA: Garchomp lmao

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Not even Lando-T

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That runs Special more often than not nowadays

quaint matrix
clear lichen
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Tbf it runs Special BECAUSE of Dondozo

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But it also is already weak to Water

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So like

quaint matrix
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Point is that individual Pokemons not doing numbers against the typical cases doesn't really mean the type isn't insane but surely you know that lol

clear lichen
alpine rune
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*sips tea

daring burrow
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Still

clear lichen
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But yeah I get your point

quaint matrix
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Oh mb

full bison
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We've been talking about competitive Pokemon and the unbalanced mess that it is for 2 hours now heehee

quaint matrix
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Still my point stands

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I'm gonna have a conniption if I keep thinking about how Water is bullshit good so uh

daring burrow
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How the mechanism to transfer pokemon each other? Will it detect our save game from IF 1?

clear lichen
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Still more balanced than Unite somehow from what I've heard

quaint matrix
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I do love Water mons despite everything

alpine rune
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Just saying water types are just consistent, not broken like everyone think it is.

quaint matrix
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One of my favorite mons is literally a Water type (Bibarel)

full bison
daring burrow
alpine rune
clear lichen
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Anyways, friendly reminder that me shittalking a type competitively doesn't mean I hate it

quaint matrix
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Yeah

clear lichen
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Psychic and Bug are literally my 2 favourite types

daring burrow
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Bug have good move but shitty stats

clear lichen
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If anything, the reason I'm so quick to point out their flaws is BECAUSE I like them

quaint matrix
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I love Water types fine even though it's bullshit good for no reason

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Cuz the mons in there are amazing a lot of the time

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And it's really easy to filter out the chaff from them

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My true love is Grass type but also man are we in the trenches with Grass types

clear lichen
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If the competitors for my favourite Pokemon weren't Lunala and Latios I would not give a shit about the Psychic Type being ass

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In fact, me ranting about Psychic/Ghost was directly referring to Lunala

quaint matrix
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Suffering in every gen getting chunked by so many types while other starter types can get away with just being good defensively

clear lichen
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Lunala has 1 reason to run a Psychic move and it's to hit Blissey

full bison
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My favorite Pokemon is Naganadel and it's an overpowered mess due to how one of its mediocre types interacts with the A+ tier secondary type lol

clear lichen
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Which Psyshock will do anyways

quaint matrix
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Tbh I never cared for Psychic as a type

clear lichen
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Lunala's strongest Psychic moves by level up before Gen 9 was Dream Eater, followed by Confusion

quaint matrix
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Outside of some specific mons I like even back then it's never a type I care much for

clear lichen
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Its best level up Psychic move was CONFUSION

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FUCKING CONFUSION

quaint matrix
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I honestly always used to think that Psychic types was lame as hell lmao

alpine rune
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ive heard this a couple of times

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I didn't think that anymore now but Psychic occupies the same space in my brain as like uhhhhhh

alpine rune
daring burrow
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Ioh

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Ooh

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So they just need the save file

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Thx

quaint matrix
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Oh Dark type yeah that's the one

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I say that and of course and meanwhile I'm over the moon that Mightyena got added

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Another one of my favorite early game mons

clear lichen
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Psychic is quite possibly the worst combo with Dragon

quaint matrix
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It's a dogshit mon but man do I love the little guy

clear lichen
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So uhh

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Yeah that sucks as a Latios fan

full bison
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Dark is honestly one of my favorite types when it comes to Pokemon designs. So many high quality ones

clear lichen
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I'd say Bug is my overall favourite type

quaint matrix
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My overall favorite type is definitely Grass followed by Fire

clear lichen
quaint matrix
full bison
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Bug is a feast or famine type when it comes to designs. Half amazing stuff half "who even is this"

clear lichen
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Yknow something funny?

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I was making a Grass/Steel legendary the other day

quaint matrix
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The mistake with Bug is that GameFreak just continues to think of them as "oh they're the early game RPG weapons"

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And then never goes further beyond that

clear lichen
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And then analysed it competitively

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And somehow, Ferrothorn was still competing against it at the same level

full bison
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The early game bugs of Paldea actually perfectly illustrate my thing with Bug types

quaint matrix
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Any time a Bug mon isn't that it's either that them not being that is the point (that cvnty bug/fighting Mon I don't remember the name of, Volcarona) or they're just accidentally good

full bison
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On one hand, Lokix. Badass Kamen Rider bug

clear lichen
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"100+ BST difference? Nah, I'd win"

  • Ferrothorn, probably
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On the other, Spidops. Ugly. Weak. Lame.

quaint matrix
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clear lichen
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Random Ariados shade but OK

quaint matrix
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Sorry I mean those two Hoenn bugs I forget the name of that comes from cocoons

clear lichen
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Beautifly>Butterfree, change my mind

full bison
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Spidops is also the latest addition to the "why the hell are we wasting the awesome ability that is Stakeout on garbage like this "club

quaint matrix
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GF works in mysterious (bad) ways

clear lichen
quaint matrix
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That's not fair

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It's Vivillon

full bison
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I have a soft spot for Vivillon cause I soloed the Fire E4 member of Kalos with it cause of dumb AI and Powder

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Also they gave it QD which meant it stayed decently viable through the story in spite of being a slightly stronger Butterfree

clear lichen
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Every lepidotperan except for the Paradoxes get Quiver Dance, with moths making up for 3/7ths of all fully evolved Quiver Dancers

quaint matrix
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Simple Volcarona/Bibarel my beloved

clear lichen
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That said, from a balance standpoint, thank the heavens Iron Moth doesn't get QD

quaint matrix
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I haven't done that yet but next playthrough either a Bibarel-only run or not I know I'm doing that

long berry
full bison
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Leavanny is still pretty early game

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It's a Gen 5 Bug meaning it's way better than most others, but it's still early game for Unova

clear lichen
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Yanmega would be better if it weren't for its type

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I mean, Tinted Lens AND Speed Boost?

tough furnace
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Hey

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Did infinite fusion 2 released?

summer apex
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no

rain locust
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there should really be a function where newcomers to this channel get automatically muted for 10 mins so they can look at the faq first

vague lodge
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For PIF Hoenn, will the same restrictions on added Pokemon apply (Gen 1-7), or can Gen 8-9 mons pop up?

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Also, any idea how many mons not in the OG Hoenn dex will appear (since Fletchling was mentioned as a Route 102 Sunny Spawn)

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Nevermind, just checked the FAQ, and Gen 8+ mons will not be present

muted venture
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i think theyll put non hoenn pkmn in hoenn too

alpine rune
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They'll just scroll tiktok for ten minutes

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Guaranteed

rain locust
prime dust
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from what we're seeing, atm, no

anything from PIF won't show up in PIF Hoenn outside of randomizer, only other way to get the mons is via NG+ [same for the other direction] (unless it is a Gen 3 mon that is in both games)

the saves seem like they will be compatible between the two games, so you would just move a save that has beaten the E4 on one game into the other folder and choose NG+ which will revert all mons to level 5 and base form

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they get put into PC boxes of course if they weren't there already

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So itll be like a black and white sorta thing

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Where pkmn from other regions aren't available

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quaint matrix
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Wait why wouldn't the new non-Hoenn Mons not be added to PIF Hoenn

alpine rune
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With the weather mechanics being the core gimmick of hoenn and the introduction of double battles, whos to say that XYZ legendaries and Tapus could appear there with their aura and terrain setting abilities

quaint matrix
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Imagine you play PiF Hoenn and they recently released the Gen 5 fossils but you can only get them in the original PiF

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Seems silly

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Or am I misreading that lol

lofty spindle
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I think they may get added, but have no way of being obtained.

alpine rune
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actually that brings up a moot point

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We have a toggle option of singles, doubles and triple battles right

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what happens if it comes to tate and liza

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would you be forced to doubles

prime dust
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its already been confirmed that the new additions will be available via randomizer, but outside that from what has been said, they won't naturally be in the game, so the only other means of getting them is NG+ [or whatever transfer method they have planned]

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and sure, stuff is subject to change

quaint matrix
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That's

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Yeah idk about that

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Things are subject to change etc etc but it's not like these are going to be event additions I feel like these will just naturally fit in the game proper at least imo

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At the very least I feel like these Mons are going to be added proper in the Remix mode where you can get away with adding these mons in a more freer environment

prime dust
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I'm just going off what has been said and what is in the faq

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reminder that we have super minimal info about the dex as is

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the most we know are the new hoennian additions and how transferring is going to work (generally)

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i believe it has been said that some hoenn mons aren't gonna be in the wild in at least classic pif 1

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remix, the dev can't comment on

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that's the job of the guy that makes the remix files

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tomate

alpine rune
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Guys I think frog will add the unovan monkeys in hoenn Quagless

lethal beacon
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Oops wrong channel

pale fractal
full bison
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IIRC Frogs stance on more Pokemon than the ones revealed is a "maybe, maybe not," and I'm personally going to lean towards the "maybe not" side of that until more news comes out

noble mulch
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not sure what channel to post in but what missing hoenn pokemon were there before this?

weak trellis
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I had a list but I think it was around 62-64 mons?

summer apex
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with the exception of Chingling, all of these were originally from Hoenn, and were not present in PIF

trail hull
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Even if they have no maps it’s great to see a region map

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Tho with the mention of fletching that might mean classic mode will have more then gen 3 and below mode

summer apex
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I mean, classic PIF 1 has fletchling just as early

trail hull
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As a wild encounter ?

full bison
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I'm just kinda sad that snow will apparently be limited to being around Shoal Cave, meaning Ice is still likely an endgame-exclusive type

trail hull
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RIP

summer apex
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it's a pokeradar exclusive on like... route 1 or 2

trail hull
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Wait these sub weather can spread

summer apex
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I'd say that's roughly equivalent to a weather exclusive

trail hull
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So maybe snow spread

spice sage
trail hull
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Thank you for your answer frog

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So while snow prob won’t be found easily on the first few route trough out the course of a playtrough we might encounter it early

spice sage
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It's really rare for it to spread far but I've seen stuff like this while testing heehee

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clear lichen
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It's so cold.

spice sage
inland jewel
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i hope we get the accuracy reduction

full bison
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Please don't

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Nothing frustrates me more than constantly missing

clear lichen
inland jewel
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I think planning around the mechanics of the game is fun though

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like if i have to pull out mons with no guard or no-miss moves then it'll allow for a wider variety of fusions/ pokemon usage

clear lichen
inland jewel
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i don't see the problem honestly

gray vine
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there is no upside tho

clear lichen
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Something something Pokemon is an RNG game at its core and that's cool and all but RNG refers to like damage rolls that make slight differences not a 40% or more to have your current move voided

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And if you don't have a No Guard Pokemon then uhh

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Good luck

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Get Defog I guess

gray vine
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unless later on you get a weather controller and i wont waste a move on just a weather changer

clear lichen
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If you can't get Defog then uhh

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Idk

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How early do you get Torkoal in Gen 3

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Pelipper's actually available earlier actually

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Simply run a Rain team

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Yeah

inland jewel
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like there are so many methods to counterplay weather

clear lichen
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Like to be fair, No Guard isn't terrible, and Drizzle/Drought are great

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Moves that cannot miss however are complete ass

gray vine
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eh i dont wanna be forced to play a pokemon. and then be punished for playing with mons i want

clear lichen
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And I'd rather not be forced to run something that serves 0 purpose outside of this

inland jewel
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also, with the mon transfer thing you can easily just get mons with those abilities/moves

gray vine
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only if they have em

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so your still being forced

clear lichen
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Depending on what gets Swift Swim I may actually run a Rain team for my first playthrough now that I think about it

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Pelipper is GOATed

inland jewel
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i know surskit gets swiftswim, though it loses it when it becomes Masqeruain

clear lichen
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Ludicolo's probably the best option

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But it's more so because Ludicolo isn't Gorebyss, Relicanth or Luvdisc

inland jewel
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the same playstyle gets boring imo

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and with fusions, there is literally thousands of solutions to any problem

clear lichen
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A lot of Gen 3 Pokemon get Swift Swim actually hold up

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Let me cook

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What does Chlorophyll distribution look like though?

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Well that's a lot worse

gray vine
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and if you play any way you want. you get punished

clear lichen
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But yeah I think I want to fuck around with weather teams for my first Gen 3 playthrough

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That'd be fun I think

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Well Gen 3 PIF

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Which technically is not Gen 3

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It's Hoenn

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But you get what I mean

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Gorebyss does get Shell Smash actually

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That'd be funny

inland jewel
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I love Shellsmash gorebyss

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i remember in XY holding Clamperl till level 50 so i could pass it on

clear lichen
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Darn, level 50?

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Probably not in the main playthrough team then, that's high

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Anyways

inland jewel
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then again that was gen 6 learnset

clear lichen
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I think the main issue is that the better Swift Swimmers aren't in PIF yet

inland jewel
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it migh have changed in gen 7

clear lichen
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Floatzel? Not in PIF. Barraskewda? Not in PIF. Mega Swampert? Not in PIF. Basculegion? Not in PIF.

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As for Chlorophyll, Venusaur is probably its best user and it is in PIF

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But I doubt it'd be in the wild for PIF Hoenn

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And also, Chlorophyll is the Hidden

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Actually Hisuian Lilligant probably is better isn't it?

full bison
inland jewel
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though the chances of H-Lilli being in the game is abyssmally low

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but having used one before, i can assure you that they are very fun to use

clear lichen
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Golduck too

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Poliwrath

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Though it is a hidden for those 2

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Seaking (lmao)

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Magikarp (lmao)

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Omastar

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Qwilfish

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Mantine

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Uhh

inland jewel
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i mean to be fair, its not like the trainers/teams are going to be expert mode difficulty

clear lichen
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Armaldo has it but it's HA

inland jewel
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you can easily fuse the mons with something else to pad its speed/ give boosts to its offenses and still make it work

clear lichen
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Idk if any of the other Swift Swimmers are in

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I know Floatzel isn't

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And I think Seismitoad isn't either

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I'm not sure on Carracosta but it that's HA anyways

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Same for Beartic

clear lichen
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And in PL:A

full bison
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Beartic not being in is the second biggest reason Hail is the only weather I haven't built a team around lol

clear lichen
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They really made the Grass starter Grass/Fighting and then added a simply superior Grass/Fighting type in almost every way

full bison
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The biggest being we just don't have many good Ice types at all

clear lichen
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Poor Hisuian Decidueye

full bison
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Building a non-Ice tanky Walrein fusion with Ice Body could be fun for a Hail team

clear lichen
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Hail not being Snow kinda fucking sucks ngl

silk cobalt
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man seaking is one of the least popular pokemon to use across all gens. wild

full bison
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It's just not interesting lol

clear lichen
silk cobalt
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like i think there isn't a single gen it isnt bottom 10

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on a casual playthrough I mean

inland jewel
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I've used a seaking before and he is goated

full bison
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The only interesting thing about Seaking is how some people here make cool fusions with it, but that's true for literally every Pokemon in PIF

clear lichen
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Even in PIF, why use it compared to any other Swift Swimmer

silk cobalt
clear lichen
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I guess tbf currently there aren't that many

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But we're about to get a shitload more

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So uhh

inland jewel
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Water type with Lightning rod though

clear lichen
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Fair, fair

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It does at least have Lightning Rod

rain locust
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lanturn is better

clear lichen
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Its stats are so bad that you can't make it good regardless

rain locust
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loses tail glow though soyegg

clear lichen
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But hey

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It gets to have Lightning Rod and then get outcompeted by Lanturn who I momentarily forgot had Volt Absorb

inland jewel
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ehh, not every fusion has to sweep though

silk cobalt
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Faster water type with LightningRod, sure.

clear lichen
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Lanturn is also cooler than Seaking

inland jewel
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nah lanturn is boring

clear lichen
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So that's Lanturn 2 Seaking 1

inland jewel
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its just a blob with a mask

silk cobalt
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apparently seaking is popular in universe

rain locust
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seaking is just a fish

clear lichen
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Well not 1 even just 0

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Idk why I said 1

inland jewel
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its a fish with cool designs

clear lichen
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Well uhh

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Better offensively?

inland jewel
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thats like better than most other fish pokemon

clear lichen
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There's your 1 I suppose

full bison
rain locust
inland jewel
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i mean, i kid you not there was the comment about how somoene was excited that Pansear of all mons was coming to Legends ZA

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so they have "some" fans out there

rain locust
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I Disagree.

clear lichen
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I feel like the highest I can see Seaking ranking vs other fish is mid tier

inland jewel
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to be fair, that is your own opinion though, coming from a battler

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to a fan that might just like collecting/ using their favs, Seaking could be S rank for all we care

clear lichen
inland jewel
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again subjective

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like I think Watchog and Purugly are like top tier pokemon,

clear lichen
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Idk, Seaking is kinda objectively bad

inland jewel
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but for battling like they are trash

clear lichen
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In battle ofc

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And in terms of design, that's subjective ofc

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But like

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Idk I can't see Seaking above mid tier comparatively to other fish

inland jewel
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like arrowskewda and the basculins before Basculegion are worst

silk cobalt
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i used the monkey on my team so i like simisear

clear lichen
inland jewel
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ehh

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it was easily the most skipped designed for me in gen 8

silk cobalt
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basculin on its own was shit tho i agree

clear lichen
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Basculin is generic fish

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But then again, so is Seaking

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Technically, Mantine is a generic fish

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The issue here being that mantas are like top tier fish irl so like

inland jewel
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Mantine is great though

clear lichen
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Suck it

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Simply be a top tier fish instead of a mid tier fish

inland jewel
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lmao

clear lichen
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Be an electric eel or something

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Idk

inland jewel
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the electric eel is not water type sadly

clear lichen
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Garchomp's a fish Pokemon too

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Which is pretty funny ngl

inland jewel
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like how Arcanine is a legendary pokemon

clear lichen
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Garchomp is literally just a shark but on land

inland jewel
clear lichen
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Sharks are fish

inland jewel
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Arcanine. The Legend Pokemon

clear lichen
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There is no clear definition on what a legendary pokemon is

trail hull
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I’m hoping that one day we get the cross evo from after gen 7 , it won’t happen in the near future but maybe

clear lichen
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So no, not like Arcanine

bold coral
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too much water in hoenn 🥀

trail hull
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Who knows maybe since frog is reworking the code for new features we might get them (this is copium don’t reply seriously pls)

clear lichen
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Dragalge is also a top tier fish Pokemon tbh

bold coral
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o

inland jewel
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I mean, first he would have to code in their abilities and moves first i guess

bold coral
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ngl I hope we can fly on the latios and latias like in omega ruby

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and the other one (forgot the name)

inland jewel
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but didn't he basically say that no other new pokemon from te ones announced are being added

clear lichen
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Dragalge>Kingdra

bold coral
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and I can't believe I was last active in January

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what version the game on?

inland jewel
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6.4.1 i think

bold coral
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cool

inland jewel
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but yeah the flying latios thing probably aint happening

bold coral
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let me see what version I got rn

clear lichen
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I should make a fish Pokemon tierlist

trail hull
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I know pif1 and 2 works with the same code but wouldn’t that mean the new trainer system get carried over to the first game

clear lichen
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But I'd need to define what is a fish

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How much % of a fish do you need to be to be a fish Pokemon

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For example, look at Vaporeon

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Half cat half fish

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Does it count as a fish Pokemon?

bold coral
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I guess 30-40%

clear lichen
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If so, then we also rank Swampert, Dracovish and Arctovish

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As all are also roughly half fish

bold coral
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dawg I'm still in 6.2.4

trail hull
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Swampert is an axolt Despair

bold coral
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ngl if we get uh

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Uh

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gen 4 map

clear lichen
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Like its pre-evolved forms, Swampert appears to be based on the mudpuppy, axolotl, mudskipper, or the gilled African lungfish.

bold coral
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or nvm

clear lichen
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2 amphibians listed, 2 fish listed

inland jewel
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Gen 4 is like... 3 years minimum

clear lichen
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Half fish

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Simple

bold coral
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what is the first thing y'all finna do in hoenn

inland jewel
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since the Dev has said, a working demo for the game is only going up to Slateport and thats gonna take 6 months at the least

bold coral
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ah

clear lichen
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Gyarados is very complicated here

inland jewel
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Follow Lance's definition and call it a dragon heehee

clear lichen
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Because it looks like a dragon

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But isn't a dragon

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Evolves from a fish

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That is based on a myth

bold coral
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ngl I need some good shiny luck cuz I still don't got no shiny

clear lichen
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Of fish turning into dragons

inland jewel
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i mean, when evolution trillions of years ago brought animals to the land, they are't fish anymore

clear lichen
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And supposedly according to Lockstin and Gnoggin

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Also based on beliefs that if dragons misuse their powers

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They stop being dragons

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But if it stops being a dragon

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Is it now a fish?

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Is it a nothing?

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What is it?

inland jewel
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i think just stick to, if it looks like a fish, rate it

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if it doesn't don't

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since this is supposed to be a "fish" tier list

clear lichen
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Gyarados is probably the biggest problem here

bold coral
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if gen 4 will take 3 years,when will we get galar Azusob

clear lichen
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Tapu Fini is like arguably at most 25% fish

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Is 25% enough?

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Probably not

bold coral
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yea

inland jewel
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no

bold coral
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Idk

inland jewel
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100% fish or nothing

clear lichen
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But it is a passing grade in some countries

clear lichen
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50% is a passing grade in most countries

inland jewel
bold coral
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where u put the custom sprites again

inland jewel
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Frogman has publically said he hates Galar and Paldea

bold coral
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I forgor

inland jewel
clear lichen
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So Vaporeon, Dracovish, Swampert and Arctovish pass as fish

inland jewel
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no need to go grab them

bold coral
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no

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like uh

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lemme hop on my pc rq

clear lichen
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Milotic is supposedly based on the oarfish

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So uhh

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Fish

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Yippee!

bold coral
clear lichen
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Anyways

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Now we cover what ISN'T a fish

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And what is NOT allowed

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Octillery is not fish

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It evolves from fish

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But is cephalopod

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Massive gigafraud

full bison
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Most terrestrial vertebrates are fish, cause that's what our ancestors were

clear lichen
thin pawn
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fish

bold coral
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this sprites that I gotten from somewhere idk I forgor @inland jewel

clear lichen
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But I'm just going off the general agreements of what's a fish and what isn't

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And CETACEANS

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Are not FISH

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No Wailord

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No Palafin

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None of that

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Yknow what else isn't a fish

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Starfish

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Get your ass outta here Starmie you aren't sneaky

silk cobalt
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How does Staryu get fished up anyway

clear lichen
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Shellfish are also not fish

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Clamperl may evolve into a fish

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But it is NOT a fish

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Crustaceans are also not fish because no shit

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The Plesiosaurs and Mosasaurs and all these ancient sea reptiles were not fish

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Which is why Lapras isn't here

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And why Arctovish is only half fish

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Amphibians are not fish either

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As such, Swampert is only half fish

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And neither Quagsire nor Clodsire are fish

thin pawn
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water types are fish

clear lichen
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Kyogre is an orca

thin pawn
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its fish type

clear lichen
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Orcas are dolphins

thin pawn
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dolphins are fish

clear lichen
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Dolphins are cetaceans

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Kyogre is a cetacean

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Kyogre is not a fish

thin pawn
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palafin is a water type

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therefor fish

silk cobalt
#

Things can just be water type and not be fish

clear lichen
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Does Chi-Yu count?

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It's technically a pair of beads but like

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Nobody is looking at Chien-Pao and saying "That's a sword" instead of "That's a snow leopard"

thin pawn
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not a water type

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so not a fish

clear lichen
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Or Ting-Lu as a bowl instead of a moose

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Or Wo-Chien, or Chi-Yu, you get the idea

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I'll think about that

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Sharks ARE fish

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Sharpedo is a fish!

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Garchomp is also a fish!

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Catfish are also fish

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Catfish are NOT cats

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STOP MAKING THIS JOKE IT ISNT FUNNY

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Anyways

thin pawn
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i like fish

clear lichen
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Jellyfish?

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Not fish

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Like Starfish, they are frauds

thin pawn
#

true

clear lichen
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Basculegion gets bonus points

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It is not 1 fish

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It is many fish

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Most are dead but still

thin pawn
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big fan of basculegion

clear lichen
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Wishiwashi also gets these bonus points

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Pinnipeds are not fish

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Neither are mustelids

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Samurott is not fish²

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... Wait, a negative multiplied by a negative is a positive....

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Not Fish×2?

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Idk

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Cramorant is a wanted criminal

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It's holding Arrokuda as a hostage

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Arrest this bird

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Tatsugiri is apparently partially inspired by a lungfish? As well as koi

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But if you only look at what types of sushi it is

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Droopy, Shiny Curly, Shiny Droopy and Shiny Stretchy are fish

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The others aren't

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Anyways, thats all I wanted to cover

rancid nymph
rancid nymph
thin pawn
sterile spoke
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So we all agree that the new weather system is insanely cool, right? 😄

thin pawn
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Hell yeah

rancid nymph
thin pawn
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When you put it that way

full bison
#

And yeah I'm just assuming that hotels and quests are being carried over cause they're already such a cool part of base PIF

thin pawn
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It would be cool if they let you use Rain Dance/Sunny day as a sort of HM move that can set the weather outside of battle

rain locust
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does drizzle still set indefinite rain

spice sage
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||I'm actually planning to do exactly that||

thin pawn
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I know

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I am inside your walls

craggy nexus
thin pawn
full bison
alpine rune
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Would whirlwind work? Or tailwind to set a windy weather?

spice sage
spice sage
thin pawn
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Hurricane Quagless

alpine rune
full bison
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Can't wait to use Hurricane to get rid of the rain that Hurricane likes being used in heehee

spice sage
rancid nymph
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Also, why not also add an item for it (similar to how we have both Morning sun/Moonlight and the sleeping bag) that you can get in the Weather Institute after completing a quest

silk cobalt
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YO @spice sage CASTFORM GAMEPLAY?

charred minnow
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guys when is the rest of johto unlocking

silk cobalt
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not the chat for that

charred minnow
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and by which i mean chuck

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oh

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right

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mb

pastel smelt
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Yo guys so im just looking into pif hoenn. I didn't play super far into the existing IF because i was doing other stuff ig
and was really more interested in just theorising

silk cobalt
charred minnow
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dang.

rancid nymph
pastel smelt
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But seeing the dev updates I'm thinking are many of these features in this game already because they sound new and pretty cool

rancid nymph
pastel smelt
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I don't recall these being in the current or prev fusion game

gray vine
#

weather is in the current game

pastel smelt
#

What's described in dev updates for this sounds really cool tbh

silk cobalt
pastel smelt
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The trade thing sounds amazing honestly yeah

gray vine
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and personally doing it with all seems a bit much...

silk cobalt
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i agree

drowsy ember
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medicham with pure power gonna be nuts for fusing just like azumarill

quaint matrix
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Idk if it'll work as well

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With how Medicham's stats is you're gonna be using it as the head more often which unfortunately means using the Psychic part of its typing

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Oh disregard me you're actually using the Fighting part mb

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Works great in that case

carmine glacier
quaint matrix
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I mean yea but still ideally you don't want Psychic as your defensive pairing is all

clear lichen
#

Idk though, High Jump Kick is more than 1.5× stronger than Zen Headbutt except also has a better offensive type

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Simply don't miss HJK

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Here's what I think

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You'll want to fuse Medicham to a fast, strong Pokemon

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Fast, strong Pokemon are generally very frail

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Medicham is very frail

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If you miss, you're probably screwed whether or not you missed HJK or Zen Headbutt

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Because a fusion of 2 very frail Pokemon gives you a very frail Pokemon

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Also, Zen Headbutt is quite pathetically weak in comparison

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There are 0 types that have a worse "main option" physical STAB

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Zen Headbutt is not just lower BP compared to everything else

#

But is also just inaccurate because why not

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In a Gen 7 context, 4 Pokemon learn Psychic Fangs

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Bruxish is the only one that learns it outside of breeding

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And via breeding, Girafarig, Sharpedo and Stoutland can get it too

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That's it

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Everything else that learns Psychic Fangs learns it via TR in Gen 8 or TM in Gen 9

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Or is Scream Tail

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And at that point, is it worth it?

alpine rune
clear lichen
#

Like whatsoever

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The best options are Acrobatics (Gen 8) and Dual Wingbeat (Gen 8)

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Yes, Ninjask only got Acrobatics in Gen 8

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Anyways as you can tell bro is not gonna have ANY STAB

exotic jewel
#

No, but it does get Speed Boost

clear lichen
#

You can't have both Speed Boost and Pure Power

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And without Pure Power that fusion is gonna hit like wet toilet paper

exotic jewel
#

oh... i may be stupid

alpine rune
#

It's not like you can use huge power in competitive

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It's banned

alpine rune
#

Food for thought

exotic jewel
#

And it gets access to U-Turn.

alpine rune
#

Just slap on a choice band

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How fast do you need to be anyway that a transfer of 106 base speed isn't fast enough

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I haven't added medichams 1/3 of the equation

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Ninjask having speed boost is actually redundant

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It's already the fastest fucker in the game

clear lichen
alpine rune
clear lichen
#

Ninjask is one of the better options stat wise

#

But the fact that it doesn't get Flying STAB is so disappointing

exotic jewel
#

Or, alternatively, if you want a little extra power, (which you do, you're using Medicham), might I recommend Dodrio?

clear lichen
#

Since Fighting/Flying is an amazing STAB combo

alpine rune
#

I don't think anyone would use a deoxys early game unless it's a randomizer

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Best other option I can think of is Tauros at the moment

clear lichen
#

If you aren't a bird or Crobat you probably don't have good physical Flying STAB, unfortunately

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Though I think Crobat also only gets Brave Bird post Gen 7

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So uhh

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RIP bozo lmao

#

Oh nvm it can be an egg move

#

We're so Croback

exotic jewel
#

Dodrio's BB hits way harder.

alpine rune
#

What's the typing order for medicham again?

#

Fighting psychic or psychic fighting?

clear lichen
alpine rune
#

I know ninjask body is flying

clear lichen
#

And Pure Power covers you on the damage front anyways

exotic jewel
#

Medi is Fighting/Psychic

clear lichen
#

Yes, so you fuse Medicham head to Crobat body or something

#

You get the better STAB combo and you get the better Attack and Speed

#

I guess depending on how willing you are to EV train you can probably afford to fuse with Dodrio instead

exotic jewel
#

There's also the option of using an ice type instead of a flying type. If you decide to do that, my pick goes to Weavile.

trail hull
#

I realized something if weather can combine , using any weather move in a place where there already is a weather means we can force fuse them

clear lichen
#

Weavile's stats far surpass any of the Flying type options, but I'm unsure on what its obtainability looks like in Gen 3

#

And also, Weavile's physical Ice STAB before Gen 8 is a bit lacking

#

By a bit I mean a lot

#

But uhh

#

Icicle Crash is 5 BP better than Zen Headbutt I suppose

#

Yeah physical Ice types really just need Taxel

exotic jewel
#

The ice type also means Medi has a STAB priority move in Ice Shard.

clear lichen
#

Fighting/Ghost would be amazing

#

However uhh

#

Mild issue

#

The only good physical Ghost move pre Gen 8 is Spectral Thief

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Yknow

#

The signature move of Marshadow

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(Shadow Sneak too, but that's good as Priority, not main STAB)

#

That said, custom move tutors are absolutely absurd, I would not be surprised if being a Fighting/Ghost or Ghost/Fighting fusion just allowed you to have Spectral Thief

#

However, when you start to look for a good physical Ghost type, it becomes apparent why no good physical Ghost moves exist

#

Some of better physical Ghost types (apart from previously mentioned Marshadow) are Mimikyu (Ability reliant, when Medicham is already ability reliant, and type incompatible), Giratina (Who's more of a wall, and is also mixed, and is also incompatible), Aegislash (Who is technically a mixed attacker but also ability reliant), Alolan Marowak (But only if you get the item, and also it doesnt exist) and Blacephalon (Literally a Special attacker, and also doesnt exist)

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So your best option that actually exists

#

Is Giratina

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Who is a literal box art legendary and thus probably has dogshit obtainability

#

And the funniest part?

#

In terms of pure Attack and Speed, the best option here is THE LITERAL SPECIAL ATTACKER

signal root
#

Will every hoenn pokemon be in this game

silk cobalt
#

yes

#

we'll see on deoxys's forms

alpine rune
#

unless i miss something

#

Doesnt seem like we'll be getting those...

image.png
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who knows subject to change

#

I mean we could end up on 600 mons at this point

trail hull
#

Deoxys form were confirmed to not come

#

I thin it’s more likely for extra mons to come but still not very likely

silk cobalt
trail hull
#

It’s somewhere deep in the server

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Can’t promise to find it but basically it would be hassle to sort the sprite trough

#

Oh I found a more recent one

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The wording is different from a straight no but I don’t want to look trough every message to win an argument

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#pif-hoenn-discussion message (after looking a bit in the messages they say they don’t rule it out entirely, that’s new but it still means very unlikely)

prime dust
#

not listed there is the fact it would mean we'd end up with a bunch of autogens replacing sprites for deoxys [head and body] that got moved to the attack, defense and speed forms

trail hull
#

Body sprites would be easy to differentiate but head sprite would just be limiting

prime dust
#

true

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but you get the idea

#

its just too much work for little payoff

quaint matrix
#

Best way to put the forms is to just truncate them into Deoxys together and bundle it

#

Make it like a move or something like how Photon-Geyser transforms Necrozma into U-Necrozma

muted venture
#

Maybe holding a certain item?

#

Like a speed plate or smt

clear lichen
#

Deoxys nerf inbound 🔥

hollow grove
#

i have a question will you start in the hoen region or is it a extension of the main game

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i think we should be able to choose where to start at the beginning of the game but still able to travel between Regions in the post game like we have with Johto but make it also a option to start in johto

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like when you start a new game you can choose to start in Kanto Johto or Hoenn

hollow grove
full bison
#

You can transfer stuff between them, but they're otherwise separate

hollow grove
thin pawn
#

Maybe they could have the forms just change stats but the sprite remains the same

#

And you could change forms outside of combat with the meteorite like in oras

hollow grove
thin pawn
#

That is true

hollow grove
#

alteast with Pokémon like Meloetta Minior and Necrozma have not only differed shapes but also differed colours for there other forms

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deoxys is just the same only difrend shapes

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thin pawn
#

True true

velvet root
full bison
#

The Deoxys/Diancie fusion I've been in the middle of making for like 4 months now has elements of both Attack form and Normal form, and I'm well aware there's plenty more like that. So sorting them would be a big headache

velvet root
signal root
#

It looks good. Devs, take your time with this masterpiece

velvet root
prime dust
#

doesn't matter anyway, frog already confirmed deoxys doesn't get forms

#

only new mons [like proper new] will get forms

#

points to castform having 4 dex slots

signal root
full bison
#

It's pretty much just Frog

velvet root
signal root
full bison
#

He has been slowly building it up more and more, plus the big selling point of the sprites is entirely community powered

#

This game did see its 10 year anniversary just a bit ago

#

So Frog has had a good amount of time to take in community feedback and refine the game into what it is today

hollow grove
#

this is how the future map should look like when we also get to sinnoh

image.png
timid perch
#

is it out yet?

signal root
#

No

thin pawn
summer apex
#

(also no more regions are being added to PIF, Hoenn is going to be it's own standalone game)

hollow grove
#

I know but a man can dream

summer apex
full bison
#

?tag fun

opal trailBOT
#

Please contact a server physician if you're experiencing any of the symptoms.

hollow grove
#

I just added the train routes to get there

hollow grove
#

I am guessing Joy is one of the symptoms

outer matrix
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I was about to suggest something about revamping the safari zone before I realized it won't work

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because this is hoenn's safari zone and not the one found in johto in HGSS

full bison
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That does lead to the question, though, if it will be the RSE Safari Zone or the ORAS one where you don't need to pay and don't have a step count

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I actually think the step count was handled in a super fun way in PIF with the whole temple area that rewards you for using your steps wisely, so I'm actually fine with either

outer matrix
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"oh man I can't wait to enter this mysterious area and catch some new pokemon-"
TIMES UP

full bison
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I mean, if there's any Pokemon that is justified to lock behind that kind of challenge, it's Volcarona

outer matrix
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if there was no step counter and a rare static encounter was in the safari zone, the area it's located in should be locked to a HM move imo

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and or with a different bike needing to be used

thin pawn
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I feel like the only reason for step counts existence is pokemon devs going "hey the play testers are still managing to find some sort of enjoyment in the safari zone, how can we stop that?"

prime dust
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oh

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i just remembered the fact there are 2 bikes in gen 3

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some areas need mach, others need acro

outer matrix
# full bison

That's a lot of people that said no to the timer wow

full bison
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Not too surprised tbf

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More surprised that so many people voted, honestly

outer matrix
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true

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The timer was fine for Kanto since it was something that's specifically there

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And in the original RSE a timer was there, but was changed in the remakes and many people prefer the remakes removal of the timer

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In fact, I never knew that the originals had a timer in the safari zone since I mainly played ORAS before

full bison
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I'm still a big fan of how Frog turned the step count into a challenge with the reward of getting Volcarona way earlier than normal, but I don't know what other non-legendary Pokemon would be worth an ordeal like that

outer matrix
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Hmm true

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what Pokémon could fit that's currently planned to join the next batch is difficult

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What are Pokémon like volcarona considered to be with having a high level requirement to evolve and has a high BST?

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-# other than pseudos of course

sudden jackal
outer matrix
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You can get slaking pretty easily though

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And it's already a part of base PIF

sudden jackal
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it was the only mon i could think of that could kinda fit

full bison
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Metagross, maybe? It is one of the 2 pseudos, and it's only obtained in base RSE from a postgame gift

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Of course, that would be asking you to try and catch a Metagross with it's base catch rate of 3 with what's effectively normal Pokeballs

outer matrix
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ORAS' safari zone doesn't force you to use safari balls I think

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but still, the beldum-line is a PAIN to catch

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Regardless of what balls are used

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So it might fit as the special encounter in PIF:Hoenn for that reason

trail hull
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I think that it shouldn't necessarily be a hoeen mon from this batch , like a lot of them are just average (in the rarity sense). I think maybe an other mon from all of the pif dex could work

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like zoroark , mimikyu , spiritomb or even volcarona again trolldisc

rancid nymph
# full bison

You forgot the part where you can’t do anything but chuck balls at the wild Pokémon at full health until it either catches or, more likely, flees

outer matrix
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~~ that is, if frog has plans for that (which is unlikely)~~

late minnow
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i wanna suggest contest? and ribbons?

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i idk what i want added tbh

full bison
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One of the posts over on #announcements has a Google form you can fill out to suggest stuff if you ever think of something

agile wadi
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Is the hoen region in the game?

full bison
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Not enough room to add hoenn. RPG Maker's map limit is 999, PIF is currently at over 800.

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Hoenn will be its own separate game

agile wadi
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Ok, how do you get rayquaza then?

full bison
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You need to first get both Groudon and Kyogre, then talk to someone at Kin Island who will take you to Sky Pillar

orchid fossil
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Low key now wondering if we'll get a version for each region now and how someone can make a full narrative for all of it...

prime dust
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we can hope maybe the PIF Hoenn might get a post game thing in the future that takes us to another region

outer matrix
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~~ unova IsForMe ~~

prime dust
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hm, serebii has a pokearth map but no idea how accurate it is since I don't think GameFreak/Nintendo ever put out anything official on how the world of Pokemon looks

outer matrix
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why was hoenn chosen in the first place? just curious

rancid nymph
prime dust
rancid nymph
prime dust
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^also a possibility^

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would make sense in a travel aspect to hit up Hoenn next

outer matrix
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with that in mind, I guess Hoenn will get gen 4 and then in the unlikely future, Unova gets to be a full region

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ok I'll go

prime dust
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we don't know what all frog has planned, I think that is the current hope for post game of PIF Hoenn

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well not Unova, but Sinnoh

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since Sinnoh is next chronologically region wise

rancid nymph
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I highly doubt we’re going anywhere but Hoenn, except for maybe small trips for legends like in PIF 1

prime dust
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Kanto
Johto
Hoenn
Sinnoh
Unova
Kalos
Alola

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the region map via serebii

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rancid nymph
prime dust
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not including Unova or Kalos

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isn't Orre from the side games

rancid nymph
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Coliseum and XD

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But they have main series battle mechanics

prime dust
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yeah i'm only really counting main titles

rancid nymph
next flare
prime dust
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look, if I included side games then i'd need to factor in time travel shenanigans

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which would make Hisui the first region

prime dust
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GameFreak/Nintendo never put out an official map, that map is from Serebii.net

next flare
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So distinctly not canon

prime dust
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yes, but until we have a canon one, it is as "official" as we will get

rancid nymph
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I think they put a blurry version of that map in ORAS actually

next flare
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It’s as official as any other fan composition of the world