pif-hoenn-discussion

[clear lichen]

It does, but the issue is that you just cannot hit Ghost types and can't break past Steel or Rock types

Like, Normal/Ghost would usually be a near-flawless Neutral type

But since you're Normalize, you aren't using Normal/Ghost

You're using Normal/Normal

The only thing that I'm aware of that this ignores is Multi-Attack with a type memory

And Silvally is not in the game yet

[inland jewel]

With Normal/Ghost skill swap though

you make it so that your opponent can't hit you at all

[clear lichen]

True

Unless they switch but shh

[inland jewel]

its AI, whose going to switch

[clear lichen]

Entrainment is better fr

You can do the funny multiple times now hehehe

[inland jewel]

with skill swap, you get rid of normalize, so you can actually hit with ghost/ other moves

[clear lichen]

Wait does Normalize Toxic work?

[viscid fossil]

Normalize + soak to hit everything for neutral smh

[clear lichen]

I'm assuming no

[inland jewel]

i think normalize does specify attacking moves

[clear lichen]

The reason is that Twave doesn't work vs Ground, but Glare does

[clear lichen]

Oh shit fr?

OK then, Toxic it is

[inland jewel]

i stand corrected

[clear lichen]

Damn

[inland jewel]

Normalize makes ALL moves normal type

so yes toxic on steel works

[clear lichen]

Steel itself is immune to Poison, no?

[inland jewel]

its immune to poison moves

[clear lichen]

(The status I mean)

[inland jewel]

but can be poisoned normally

[clear lichen]

You can't Poison it with Twineedle last I checked

[inland jewel]

hmm, gotta test it on showdown then

but it does have the caveat of you can't toxic ghost types anymore

since they become immune to your status

[clear lichen]

According to Bulbapedia, it hasn't been able to Poison Steel types since Gen 3

Though I've had people complain of Bulbapedia being unreliable before

[inland jewel]

i mean... if they are using Essentials, which uses Emerald as a base...

[clear lichen]

So theoretically Steel gained a full Poison immunity in Gen 3

[inland jewel]

can't wait for the skitty fusions though

the dream of a full cat team is closer

[clear lichen]

I also want to note that Status immunity from type matchups is not universal

Moves like Sing work vs Ghost types

[inland jewel]

normalize specifically states that status moves used with it fail

If Normalize makes Thunder Wave a Normal-type move, Thunder Wave can affect Ground-type Pokémon but not Ghost-type Pokémon, unless the Ghost-type Pokémon is holding a Ring Target or is affected by Foresight or Odor Sleuth.

from Bulbapedia

[clear lichen]

Yes, however Twave is seemingly the only move like this

Like I said earlier, Sing works vs Ghost

Despite being a Normal move

At least, I think it does

[inland jewel]

like i said, we gotta test in Showdown

since it does have the mode for all-dex

[clear lichen]

I am aware, I'm just too lazy to check rn

Desolate Land doesn't work on Protosynthesis

Primordial Sea does work on Electro Shot though despite it also being a post Gen 7 ability that's weather based

Well move in this case

But you get what I mean

Not entirely sure why one works and the other doesn't

[inland jewel]

i was going to argue that Protosynthesis says Sun. while Desolate specifies Harsh Sun, which could be two different things

but then Primordial does specify Heavy Rain

good thing we don't have to worry about Proto and Electro since they confirmed Gen 8+ won't be added

[junior tiger]

I'm guessing they didn't intend them the abilities to ever overlap, or at least they weren't going to overlap up to this point, since Desolate Land doesn't exist in this Generation.
All of the other Abilities that are impacted by sun still work, so it seems just like an oversight.

[woeful vector]

is it gana be set in the emrald setting? ie both boxarts are awoken

also im loking forward to this one as its my faverite region

[dusk onyx]

Dunno how wild an ask this is: but I would love a mode that set the play experience to be like Super Kaizo Ironmon.

But you know, with fusions

[woeful vector]

also i think combineing the stats full stop would be cool also adding the abilitys would be nice like combinding hypercuter and intemadate would be op in a sence but also its not like the npc wont have it erther so it would be same in way

[viscid fossil]

[woeful vector]

i thought both are abilltys wile elctro shot is a move that might be y

[inland jewel]

I'd love a hard mode, but maybe not kaizo levels of hard

[dusk onyx]

I'm mainly interested in it out of a desire to watch other people play it

[inland jewel]

it was fun watching the Expert mode playthroughs while it lasted but after gym 3 it wasn't as satisfying

[dusk onyx]

Super Kaizo Ironman keeps it fresh because everything is shuffled and you have to pivot to a different 'Mon mid-game

[woeful vector]

any chance we could refight the gyms after getting a bage (backtracking to refight after each new badge) like how in emrald you could refight them after becoming the champ but this time its after every gym as an optional thing

[dusk onyx]

Honestly, the best implementation might be a 'Game Settings Profile' system where you can toggle randomizer functions, AI skill level, banning certain abilities/moves/pokemon from spawning, and saving it as a shareable file.

[inland jewel]

thing is, Frogman has refused different battle AI for a long time

I would love for Expanded-Emerald's AI to be added to the new project but that is noteably a romhack

[rain locust]

re-fused? is this an infinite fusion reference?

[tiny mulch]

Please make the npc and players sprites more akin to gba or ds sizing, they’ve always looked a little wonky to me with how tall they look

[tropic dew]

they ARE DS-sized, at least the overworld sprites are. they're directly based off of a Gen 4 sprite template.

[silk cobalt]

don't you mean gen 5

[split berry]

is this only gonna have hoenn pokemon or will it have others

[inland jewel]

Full hoenn dex + all mons in PIF

it'll follow the same format where at first you only have hoenn mons, but as you progress you find more and more from other regions

[pallid zephyr]

yo no way

this is all i ever wanted

[hidden relic]

Anyone seen Madam Prez around here?

[hallow sky]

I think wild caught starter should have their hidden abilities instead of blaze/torrent/overgrow

(just a thought)

[clear lichen]

That'll make your own starter quite replaceable

If anything it should be the opposite. The starter you get has HA

Otherwise you just replace your starter

I guess unless your starter is Swampert lmfao

Who in their right mind is taking Blaze Blaziken over Speed Boost Blaziken

[hallow sky]

Yyeah..

Speaking of swampert, i think more major battle in pif hoenn should use grass type fusion to counter swampert lmao

[twilit reef]

A grass fusion with chlorophyll in flannery's gym

[oblique kindle]

Triple-Types Maybe?

Also, what if there were two new types (Definitely not the two I'm going to use in my own fangame) being Sound and Cosmic.

New type 1 - Sound
Strengths: Dark, Bug, Ice, Fairy
Weaknesses: Ghost, Dragon, Electric, Fairy
Resistances: Dark, Water, Fighting
Immunities: Dark

New Type 2 - Cosmic
Strengths: Rock, Ground, Flying
Weaknesses: Fairy, Flying, Dark
Resistances: Rock, Ground, Grass, Water
Immunities: Ground

....Is that too much?

[twilit reef]

why not. did you include that in the google form?

[oblique kindle]

Uhhhhh.... was I supposed to....?

[twilit reef]

nah you dont have to. but theres a thing for what you want in announcements you can fill out

[oblique kindle]

'Kayp

[twilit reef]

yeah i think i suggested kind of similar why not have every fusion be multitype 3 or 4

[oblique kindle]

Oh nice

[hidden relic]

owie

Explosions are not fun

[slim otter]

?tag bomb

[opal trail]

💣

[hidden relic]

Man

I thought this one would work

I hadn't hid here yet

[slim otter]

There is nowhere you can hide from Team Rainbow Rocket.

[spring reef]

Randomizer additions:
Ability randomizer: each pokemon has a set of 3 random abilities assigned 2 normal 1 hidden and can be fused and chosen from either. With the option to keep abilities on evolution.

Move randomizer: each move in a pokemons move set is randomized with another move from the game. Options for 4 moves at lvl1, prefer same typing.

[clear lichen]

Nerfing Bug and Ice while buffing Ghost and Dragon is certainly a choice

I mean Ice isn't a bad type but it's definitely in the lower half and when you remember that most Ice types are built horrendously for their type it's definitely not something you should nerf

Also I'm just not a fan of adding new types to the games

Mainly because balancing new types is a pain

And keeping track of them is something I can never do

I can't even read certain types of type charts since I usually don't need to, so no guide is saving me

I also feel like Infinite Fusion should stick to having fusion as the main gimmick of the game

Instead of adding new types which would definitely take up a large amount of the spotlight

[wraith hinge]

I want Snow in PIFH I think it'd be funny

[vagrant turret]

Workshopping some ideas for secret bases, are the two ideas I've got so far:

1. Each base has a small area to encounter Pokemon, and the encounters change depending on how you decorate your base. Sort of like HGSS's safari zone that changed encounters depending on your decorations, just smaller and more accessible.
2. Depending on your secret base location, you get access to a specific "spot" that provides some sort of benefit to your run. Maybe it's a tree that frequently drops specific berries, a natural hot spring that helps grow your Pokemon's friendship, or a mineral deposit that provides a specific EV vitamin? This would give each location its own unique benefit, and make your selection of base feel "special".

[sterile iris]

I have question. Is this a region we will be able to go to or is this a whole new game as in we start in hoenn?

[vagrant turret]

Pretty sure it’s the latter

[wraith hinge]

I think they said it's the latter

but said there might be transferring mons from the original

could be wrong

[sterile iris]

One could dream for a cross connected pokemon game

[atomic lagoon]

so you know how machoke/meowth is math in the original game?

...minus (minun/tropius)

[rugged lodge]

I have only one thing to say. Cause someone had the audacity to ask for it.
Make sure to include as much of the Emerald-exclusive content as possible.

ORAS was really good and had its own share of exclusive content, but some of the Emerald content got left in the dust.

[haughty plover]

pokemon fire ash

[rugged lodge]

Heck, if you felt ambitious, you might even find a way to make use of Altering Cave

[knotty summit]

I would love to see all gen 5 Pokemon show up

[white meadow]

Do you think contests are gonna be added in like PIF hoenn

i think it'd be a fun way to showcase your fusions

[rugged lodge]

Depends on whether or not Essentials has the data for it. Contests are using what is effectively a different set of move effects.

[summer apex]

I'm pretty sure essentials has the data for contests, but I'm not 100% sure

[haughty plover]

i would love all gen 5 pokemon to evolve at reasonable levels

[summer apex]

even if it did, it's still entirely up to the notorious frgo

I spelt it wrong

[full bison]

Another thing is that every single Gen 7 move has never existed in a game with contests, so we might need to decide what contest type each Gen 7 move is

[summer apex]

wait how did my ass spell notorious right and frog wrong

[rugged lodge]

It's got me thinking though. We've got a collection of Legendary/Mythical/UB Pokemon that are difficult to integrate into the current game due to the Area limitation. With cross-transfer and version exclusives being a thing, maybe having some of them special fellers in Hoenn would be real neat.

[haughty plover]

i just experienced a unique type of agony

[full bison]

UBs can easily be implemented in either game by way of a sidequest where wormholes open up and they start invading the region

[rugged lodge]

I dunno. I kind of like the idea USUM had, visiting them in their native dimensions.

[haughty plover]

im gonna have to decide between the hoenn starters

[gray vine]

nah

you can catch all starters in the early game

your choice here hardly matters

ah imma guess you mean for hoenn

didnt see what chat this was in

[full bison]

I imagine Hoenn will have its own version of Viridian River and other secret areas, at least

[gray vine]

considering the sequel will contain the same mons, im sure you can like you can now pick between gen1, 2, 3, 4 and 6

[full bison]

God it's so vexing to me that Gen 5 starters got skipped. Going from 4 to 6 just messes with me

[summer apex]

it's what the popular vote decided

[rugged lodge]

Here's a thought. If the dataset for Pokemon is the same between games, what's stopping a Kanto randomizer from pulling a Pokemon native to PIF Hoenn?

[summer apex]

nothing

[gray vine]

why would it?

Hoenn Mons are promised for both games

[summer apex]

that will almost certainly happen, seeing as randomizer just pulls from the available dex

should be the same for black market, wonder trades, and custom starters

[white meadow]

like imagine someone going "Go giratina/blissey mon!" in a cuteness contest

and this thing just appears

[rugged lodge]

Looks like a top contender to me.

[full bison]

If we're going to potentially have contests be a thing in this, it might be fun to speculate on what contest type each of the Gen 7 moves would actually be

[rugged lodge]

Of course, the primary purpose of Contests is to give your Pokemon Ribbons.

[full bison]

Sparkling Aria clearly befits the Beauty type, Darkest Lariat is obviously Tough, but Spirit Shackle feels like it could suit either Smart or Cool

[dry dock]

Ohhh, my god, I'd love if the battle frontier/challenge symbols came back. I'm so sad I never got to collect all of those as a kid. I only ever ran into one of the frontier brains (the seviper tunnel girl) and she kicked my ass.

I'd also love to the contest system make a return!

[full bison]

I'm still mad at Gamefreak for removing the battle frontier and especially for their BS reason why

[dry dock]

(Could also be an excuse to bring back some of the staff easter egg fights that I'm...not sure are still in the game nowadays?)

[summer apex]

kids these days amirite

[full bison]

Those darn cellular devices! Back in my day...

[rugged lodge]

I got all of the gold symbols and the resulting Starf Berry.
Loved the Battle Pyramid and hated the Battle Factory.

You got a Lansat if you got all Silvers and a Starf if you got all Golds.

[full bison]

Battle Factory with the added randomness factor of Fusions sounds like it would either be entertainingly or obnoxiously chaotic.

[rugged lodge]

Me and Lady Luck aren't on good speaking terms.

[full bison]

I mostly look forward to the potential for a Battle Frontier for the potential of taking all the BS that apparently took place there and retaliating with the special brand of BS you can harness with fusion.

Have fun against my Lightning Rod Electrify Raicott, you bunches of cheating ones and zeroes!

[cloud elbow]

BATTLE FRONTIER OR RIOT

[vagrant turret]

I put a suggestion that somewhere in the battle frontier is an area for trainers that use competitive teams from the showdown. Hope something like that gets implemented lol

[onyx flame]

I'm just looking forward to being able to fuse two of my favorite cuddle buddy pokemon, Furret and Spheal (or swablu and spheal. Round beans for cuddle wins)

[sterile iris]

Do you think Brandon will use the regi triple fusion?

[jolly osprey]

furrets in this game idk bout spheal yet

and swablu which is on my team cuz team bluudude is best team

[lofty spindle]

Ooh maybe this game could get some new menu layouts, actually designed for the massive sprites people are so fond of.

[silk cobalt]

my thoughts

[silent raft]

Whats the differences between if 1 and 2m

[gray vine]

That 2 is in Hoenn?

I think that's kinda self explanatory

[twilit reef]

I really wonder how different it will be

[sour isle]

Instead of being a completely different game I think it would be really cool if the region just got added to the original game.

And instead of it being part of the post game

[gray vine]

Yeah but it wont

[sour isle]

At the beginning of the game you get to choose which region to start in

And each region would have it's own unique storyline

[twilit reef]

That's sort of like pokemmo

[gray vine]

At most I could see you being able to transfer your character into the sequel

[sour isle]

Exactly what I was thinking

And when you move to a new region you have to start with a new team

[gray vine]

It's already confirmed you can transfer your mons but doing the whole character would be even better

[sour isle]

It just feels like wasted opportunity to have them be different games instead of one large interconnected world

[gray vine]

Imma be honest...why would what your saying need to be in Pif 1. Pif 2 WILL have a new story and you WILL be able to play with new mons in a new region

It's not wasted just not possible

If it was I doubt it be a new game

[sour isle]

Yeah but we already have mons across several different generations in the 1st game anyway.

[twilit reef]

They have an opportunity to radically change how fusion works in general

And add whatever new stuff they want

[gray vine]

And Hoenn mons will be added to Pif 1 aswell

[sour isle]

True true, if there's drastically changed gameplay mechanics it'll be totally worth it.

[gray vine]

Just not the region

If not it be worth too

I'm still playing for the story only

[twilit reef]

One of the things I find the most annoying is the body's nature and ability changing when being unfused or however it works

[sterile iris]

I don't like how my Persian fusion will lose payday and I can't reteach it at move tutor because only meowth can learn it.

[knotty summit]

Will this also be gen 7 only?

If not, I'd love to see Obstagoon in the game

[sterile iris]

How would regional pokemone even work in a national dex?

[unkempt kernel]

Yes

[sterile iris]

Here's a question. How are the devs going to handle castform?

Will each fusion have to have their own custom castform?

Seems like a headache list of things that need to be done just for a single pokemon most people won't use.

[unkempt kernel]

Same as Oricorio

So 4 separate mons and dex numbers for the forms

[sterile iris]

Each form being treated as its own pokemon?

[unkempt kernel]

Yes

[sterile iris]

That sounds cool

[unkempt kernel]

Pretty sure all of this is answered in the FAQ put in #announcements

Will have to scroll up for it

[brittle crow]

It's in pinned messages as well.

[waxen palm]

usable slowpoke tail

[hard cobalt]

can not wait for this gem!

[fallen loom]

is this based more on RS, E or ORAS?

[trail hull]

this might mean nothing but this might also mean oras content

[hallow sky]

Suggestion also for the original game, please make a randomizer option where you cant find original pokemon from that route if randomized

I keep getting gloom and tentacool

But i dont want to increase the randomness degree

[bold gyro]

Honestly
My main suggestion is back sprites
I know it’s extra effort but it just looks weird to have their front sprites on my side of the field

Also make a android build with all the sprites pre installed so I can use it anywhere I go without WiFi

Also posted this in the form but posting it here because it sounds sick as hell: Imagine having to fight a Kyogre/Groudon/Rayquaza fusion that both teams decided to team up to make the worlds doomsday. That would be lit!

[tacit saddle]

no

please, no

our new total fusions is at about 319k

so double that, we would have to make 638k sprites

[bold gyro]

Damn Wallace did not like that 😭

[tacit saddle]

because im a spriter

and i know no spriter will like that

making backsprites, as feasible as it may seem, is impossible with the current scale of the game

[bold gyro]

It ain’t a addition I wanted the most anyways

[tacit saddle]

and from a tech support standpoint, because im also that
we already have issues with sprites as is. i don't want to see MORE issues

[bold gyro]

The Kyouquaza (kyogre groudon rayquaza) fusion is what I want the most anyways

[tacit saddle]

that exists

[bold gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/hype-get-turn-up-lit-gif-15908191

[clear lichen]

Would feel a bit weird since Archie and Maxie explicitly did not want some sort of doomsday event

[bold gyro]

The climax gonna be lit

[clear lichen]

Y'know, despite removing all water being definitely would cause doomsday

They aren't the brightest

"If I remove all water we have more space to evolve!" Idiot

I do agree the triple fusion appearing would be cool but that isn't the reasoning I'd use

[bold gyro]

Maybe change their plots around?

They did release both at the same time in emerald

Maybe when rayquaza comes to break up the brawl Archie like a idiot throws some DNA splicers in there and we got the triple fusion

[bold gyro]

That looks so fuckin epic

[bold gyro]

Also I want my favorite missingno sprite to appear eventually (it isn’t the circle one tho they from the same generation)

I’ll probably make it myself I’m just saying this missingno deserves LOVE

[vagrant turret]

Idk, that thing kinda sucks lol

[trail hull]

8 Times weak to fighting is probably too bad

[vocal pivot]

Unfortunate typing but I believe it can pull some weight with the right team to take care of its weaknesses and the right moveset to actually threaten some damage in return

[full bison]

It's not a wasted opportunity if that opportunity never existed in the first place. The map limit 100% prevents that from happening

[vocal pivot]

Physical with eq, rock slide/ice punch, curse and protect

Special with boltbeam, protect and stealth rock

[atomic lagoon]

tbf i could see team magma/aqua fusing at least Groudon and Kyogre because of one reason:

if the head pokémon controls the body pokémon, they suddenly get the powers of that other pokémon as well, meaning that Groudon on a Kyogre body could not only dry up the seas, but forcefully move the waters away, allowing for more efficient expansion of the land
while a kyogre on a groudon body could sink hoenn more easily by just pushing the earth downwards

[atomic lagoon]

in relation to this

[clear lichen]

On the bright side, Regi triple fusion has 3 quad resists, an immunity and 4 normal resists

On the not so bright side

Oct weak to Fighting, quad weak to Ground, weak to Fire, Water and Steel

Quad resisting Ice and Flying is nice

But Normal isn't relevant

Poison isn't an offensive type but immunity to Toxic for a defensive Pokemon is peak

Resisting Fairy and Dragon is great, resisting Bug is good

Psychic resist is OK I suppose

But none of this is worth beaking octuple weak to a top 5 offensive type and quad weak to a top 3 offensive type lmaooooo

At worst Ground is also "only" top 5 I suppose

[void atlas]

So the new hoenn part i assume its like added on to the story? Or is it a separate story/game? im a lil confused

[wraith hinge]

most likely its own game

same launcher tho

[worn tiger]

I thought it would be an add on to the whole game, being new places to go, maybe with new challenges. Though I dunno how challenging it could get after completing both Kanto and Johto

[wraith hinge]

balancing a whole new game is a lot simpler as opposed to balancing a post-postgame region would be difficult

[worn tiger]

Yeah. At most would be nice to have it on the same launcher as like a tab of games maybe

[wraith hinge]

that I think they'll do

[void atlas]

That was my assumption

[worn tiger]

Kinda wonder what they’ll be able to do in the Hoenn stuff, and if they take stuff from ORAS or the og

[vagrant turret]

Regitrio’s typing is far too bad defensively, and it’s too slow and weak to be an effective offensive piece

[wraith hinge]

it's a new game I just checked

[void atlas]

Ahhh i see thank ya

[wraith hinge]

figured It'd help

[worn tiger]

Thank you

[wraith hinge]

you're welcome!

[worn tiger]

Is cool we can transfer pokemon

Dunno if they’d be a copy or, full on transfer

[vagrant turret]

Wonder how that’s gonna work with RPG Maker, I’m very curious to see how it’s implemented

[worn tiger]

I’m sure they’ll find a way

[wraith hinge]

the Devs are cool like that

[worn tiger]

Fr

[nocturne tangle]

Would be an interesting take to have Team Magma and Aqua “fused” and working together to destroy the world instead of alone and then the other team helping you, because they realized they gotta reset it all.

[wraith hinge]

you can totally go suggest that

[worn tiger]

Could also make it funny where they still bicker

[wraith hinge]

there's a google form for suggestions

[nocturne tangle]

Where’s the form?

[wraith hinge]

announcements

[worn tiger]

Huh

[wraith hinge]

#announcements message

[vagrant turret]

I think it’d be interesting if at some point they had to work together and fusion was a part of that. I was thinking Deoxys might make an effective “main villain” because it’s based on DNA and that ties in well with fusion

[wraith hinge]

you can say what you did and didn't like about PIF1 one and give story/gameplay suggestions

[vagrant turret]

Also people love Deoxys and certainly wouldn’t be mad about it getting a bigger role in the story lol

[wraith hinge]

that's a great idea (which I totally suggest you put into the form so the devs can see it (since I doubt they constantly check on the ramblings in this channel)

[vagrant turret]

Yeah I yapped on that form lol

[wraith hinge]

Oh heck yeah

[vagrant turret]

Just doing my civic duty 🫡

[wraith hinge]

🫡

[gusty spindle]

Jirachis wish rock

[nova beacon]

wish what

[wraith hinge]

lmao

[charred root]

Will we have secret bases or no

[wraith hinge]

not confirmed but if you want them I do recommend asking for them in the suggestions form

[charred root]

I assume so but not sure also will this be the old or new hoen

[wraith hinge]

it's most likely a mix of both

[charred root]

I hope they turn the game cornor into like a arcade where I can win tickets to buy plushes for my base

Where can I suggest this

[wraith hinge]

#announcements message

[zenith sphinx]

Wait, is the new Hoen region finally going to come out in Pokemon Infinite Fusion???

[fair palm]

Its gonna be a different game but yea

[zenith sphinx]

So am I to understand that a completely new Pokemon game is being created with infinite fusion from Kanto, Johto + Hoen?

[kind forum]

just hoenn

but mons will be transferable apparently

[charred root]

Shoot I should of mentioned how I wanna see parts of alola or somting on the map to fuuuuck

[wraith hinge]

Hoenn is gonna be it's own game with Transfering mons being a NG+ addition

took a snip of the FAQ

[gilded palm]

So by separate castform forms does that mean forecast works or not? Like if castform sun is a different mon from castform rain do they still swap mid battle?

I never checked if relic song works properly with meloetta fusions actually

[wraith hinge]

forecast works it just changes the form of the fusion mid battle

Meloetta relic song does work as usual

[weak trellis]

relic song does have one IF change in that the form persists after battle, not sure if castform will work like that or like minor's shields down does

[wraith hinge]

yeah

[weak trellis]

where it's normally only in shield but if you get it in core via rando or debug and don't pick shields down (forecast in this case) it stays in core

[wraith hinge]

well Minior is based on health so I would assume it's closer to Meloetta

I think it might adapt to whatever weather is happening in the battle

and either persist or change back after battle

[modest latch]

Oh btw. Will the Phone Support extendet by this Version? Me as example Cant Play on my Pixels 9 (at least that Last Time i was asking) the current IF game

[cinder shard]

If we want to contribute sprites for the new game, should we just start making fusions that include Hoenn pokemon?

[full bison]

Both games will share sprites, but yeah spriting primarily Hoenn mons will help the sequel out a bit more

[warm fox]

hello i just wanted to ask, will the pokedex be like the original gen 3 or more like oras? ie will we get legendries from other games through portals and isles

[hexed agate]

Too early to tell

Though I'm sure ORAS will influence dev

[vagrant turret]

I think so, at least that’s how I’ve been doing it lol

I know there’s a contest for Hoenn fusions going on rn too

[molten loom]

I would hope it does, oras was amazing

[elder field]

I'd love to see the two teams plans explode in their faces by boss legendaries fusing when summoned to fight eachother and cause sweeping environmental and changes to the map features.

[arctic glacier]

As long as Steven gets to be the champion

[rugged lodge]

Add the ORAS stuff and the Emerald stuff left in Emerald, and you've got what looks to be an absolute banger of a game.

[elder field]

I added a request for a fossil mining mechanic.

[molten loom]

Hear me out, Steven and Wallace are the champs and we double battle them

[elder field]

Everyone in the region is so obsessed with rocks. Why can we mine for cool rocks too?

A double battle championship does sound cool

[rugged lodge]

Emerald does have a few developer-abandoned locations, like Altering Cave, Desert Underpass, Mirage Tower, and all of the Battle Frontier.

[elder field]

Maybe Steven taking Wallace under his wing as part of the story?

[arctic glacier]

No because I like Wallace as the 8th gym instead of this forgettable fruit

[rugged lodge]

Juan?

[molten loom]

How about Juan as champ then

[rugged lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/juan-gif-21122849

[arctic glacier]

I Juan him to stay irrelevant

[charred root]

Emerald had a battle frontier tho

I would like to see more water and land

[woeful vector]

going to combine mawile and sableye for the brawle gym lol

[charred root]

My ign report will be not enogth water and land

[rugged lodge]

ORAS did not. So the Frontier, as I stated, was abandoned by the devs.

[woeful vector]

also sableye with shdnja

[charred root]

Ohhh would be funny to see the the gyms have a hard counter to that fusion

Some crazy fairy combo that would wall you

I would do that if I was a dev

There’s a reason I’m not

[molten loom]

Doesn't even need to be a fairy

[charred root]

I don’t know code

[molten loom]

Hail, spikes, stealth rocks, mold breaker, etc

[charred root]

A normel fighting type with some scary moves

Why did they abandon the battle place in Ora’s

[molten loom]

Maybe not enough time, or they didn't feel it was needed with all the other changes, or because it was an emerald thing and not ruby sapphire

[woeful vector]

that would be a good idea

[molten loom]

Could be any reason

[woeful vector]

probably planed to make an emerald remake but change there mind and went with the update to oras

[silk cobalt]

They already gave an interview answer on that: the majority of players just wouldn't care.

[molten loom]

Fair

[arctic glacier]

Mega Flygon would have been the reward for finishing the ORAS battle frontier

[silk cobalt]

i wish

i still don't get how it hasn't even had a n alternate form yet, since they had a design planned

[weak trellis]

they like The Chomp more clearly

[full bison]

ZA is most likely Flygon's last hope for a Mega. And honestly I'm not confident in it happening.

[unborn notch]

Bro i dreamt of this and its happening my fav fan game and my fav generation

[rugged lodge]

I kinda wanted a PiF Unova after the P2 Laboratory quest

[charred root]

I think they thought not many liked the battle frontear(we were like 16 years old and no knowlage of competitive pokemon of corse it would be hard for us )

Or at lest that was my issue

[weak trellis]

keep in mind that was also around the time when mobile gaming started really taking off, especially in the east

I recall the quote was "people don't have the attention spans for stuff like that" but I thought that got proven either not happened or a mistranslation or something else that invalidates that exact wording

in hindsight I wouldn't doubt the actual reason being that they felt that Episode Delta was more worth the time and effort compared to something without much in the way of story

[full bison]

I imagine N would have had some choice words on the ethics of fusion lol

[mint fog]

so will this be a completely seperate game?

but with all the same pokemon and fusion sprites?

[viscid fossil]

Yes
You can even "trade" between the two games

[rugged lodge]

Okay; imagine PiF Unova and Ghetsis yoinks your dragon and N's dragon and you have to fight his team and Reshirom on top of that.

[full bison]

"same Pokemon" in the sense that the data for all the Pokemon is in both, but there will be some Pokemon you can catch in Hoenn that you can't in Kanto/Johto

Presumably vice versa too

[mint fog]

so completely new pokemon to infinite fusion?

oh fun

[full bison]

Still no Gen 8+ Pokemon though, bare that in mind

[mint fog]

and I know its impossible to have gen 8-9 pokemon in infinite fusion, but can you have them in pif hoenn?

oh

nvm

still cool though

[river estuary]

I’d love if hoenn was having a drought, which would completely counter the whole “too much water” meme about hoenn

[mint fog]

IGN would still give it 7.8/10

not enough water

[weak trellis]

"half the water's gone???" ~Some Hedgehog, 2001, probably

[twilit reef]

Would you just walk to mossdeep

Would this place just be a normal

[weak trellis]

DryfieldLog

[rotund salmon]

So im confiused about the new update. Does this mean we can now see the new hoenn mons in Kanto via randomizer or anything??

[full bison]

Not now now, but when the playable demo drops there should be more Hoenn stuff in the code for base IF too

[rotund salmon]

Ah ok cool

[charred root]

i thought they buildt it on the water

[thorny wind]

I feel like presets for rules would be a great addition when you are doing runs often. I hate having to manually adjust all the values everytime a run is lost so a way to create a preset and only needing it to randomize the selected pools would be nice

[prime dust]

no, from what were seeing, none of the new mons will be capturable

in PIF proper

you will need to move them other

from the looks of it the save data is how that will be done, so if you beat the E4 in PIF Hoenn, the save can be used by PIF as a NG+ save

they will exist as part of the dex, but beyond that

anything PIF already has will be untouched, you can still get those just fine

but likely the other 64 additions will need to be moved over

[viscid fossil]

You can also find the new hoenn mons in randomizer, of course

[cobalt forum]

not sure if it has been mentioned or not do you think that with hoen we might also get gen8+ Pokémon seeing how Larry is part of the takeover and he has three mons that are gen8+

[prime dust]

covered in the faq

\

Gen 8+ is still off the table due to the issues it presents

that being

[velvet root]

On top he doesnt really like those 2 and doesnt really want them in as far as I know

[prime dust]

yes that has been confirmed as well

[cobalt forum]

Sad but fair

[full bison]

Yeah, I definitely feel like gens 8+ aren't even going to be considered until the Pokedex up to Gen 7 is pretty much stripped bare of the Pokemon that anyone really feels passionate about

And that's a long way away, cause there's like 200 Pokemon still in the rafters

Including decently popular ones like Gigalith, Salazzle, Araquanid, Espurr, etc

[hushed axle]

Larry just needed a side job for a little bit

[tiny mulch]

They literally aren’t tho

[empty halo]

The PokeRadar mons would partially come from DexNav exclusives, being:
Route 101: Zorua
Route 110: Trubbish
Route 112: Ponyta, Tyrogue
113: Scraggy, Klefki
114: Misdreavus
115: Clefairy, Misdreavus
116: Eevee, Joltik
117: Rattata
118: Raticate, Aipom, Luxio
121: Hypno, Aipom
Petalburg Woods: Paras, Cottonee, Phantump
Jagged Pass: Mankey, Ponyta, Tyrogue
Mt. Pyre: Growlithe

[fathom sluice]

Thoughts on a Team Obsidian that seeks to fuse Kyogre and Groudon instead of using just one?

[summer apex]

What would their end goal be

[rain locust]

Thoughts on a Team Glacier that seeks to cover the world in hail?

[fathom sluice]

End Rayquaza’s tyranny and let a united being choose what’s best instead of fighting petulantly

[summer apex]

For what purpose

[full bison]

Clearly we go the Pokemon Quartz route and have a team that wants to inflate the sun with a broken ghost detector to empower Electric type Pokemon

[summer apex]

Do the just hate everything?

[full bison]

Not making that up btw

[rain locust]

beat climate change

[summer apex]

fair enough I suppose

Snowpiercer did it, why not Pokemon

[fathom sluice]

Pokeworld doesn’t have climate change like ours pretty sure

[prime dust]

Not in the traditional sense

[summer apex]

I'm sure Hoenn has a climate crisis

[full bison]

Pollution and its effects is a massive theme in many Pokemon designs

[summer apex]

Hoenn is in like perpetual climate crisis

[rain locust]

i think they would be a good foil to magma and aqua

[fathom sluice]

Sure, but I’ve never seen or heard of Pokemon pushing the “CO2 is bad” thing

[rain locust]

cursola is a representation of the coral reefs dying

[summer apex]

Galarian Weezing:

[full bison]

Galarian Weezing literally evolved into an air filter to try and reduce CO2 emissions itself

And it's design is an effigy of old industrialists that got that ball rolling to begin with

[fathom sluice]

So is Pokeworld dealing with greenhouse effect then? The entire planet seems exceedingly rural

[prime dust]

No, Galarian Weezing evolved to be Doug Dimmadome owner of the Dimmsdale Dimmadome

[fathom sluice]

You would assume that given there being Pokemon who literally eat garbage and sludge that things wouldn’t be bad at all

[full bison]

Counterpoint: the fact that there's enough garbage and sludge in existence to sustain a population of creatures that exclusively eat that is very concerning

As well as enough for some of it to come to life and start spreading it further like Kantonian Muk

[hushed axle]

https://tenor.com/view/trubbish-pokemon-gif-9689283233164295203

[full bison]

Trubbish at least cleans up after itself, unlike Kantonian Grimer and Muk

[rotund salmon]

Wait so then neither game will be complete, why make them cross compatible if its gonna completely shatter the games???

And why have people make sprites for pokemon that we arent gonna see for like another year???

[hushed axle]

Not sure what you mean by “neither will be complete”

PIF is complete

[weak trellis]

because that gives them some ample time to make those sprites so we won't have a game full of autogens when hoenn version comes out (yall doing a fantastic job so far btw!)

[rotund salmon]

But it says that the hoenn pokemon wont be accessible in PiF

[viscid fossil]

Ok and?

[weak trellis]

a better way to word that is that they won't be catchable in PiF probably

[hushed axle]

They will be via randomizer or transferring

[weak trellis]

oh yea if it's randomizer then "catchable" may be up in the air like a freshly flipped pancake rofl

[rotund salmon]

They said no in response to the comment of randomizer

[weak trellis]

oh nvm then lol

[hushed axle]

And it’s 64 new mons which is around 4k sprites

I’d rather spriters have a year to do them than it get rushed at launch and we only have autogens

[rotund salmon]

Thats fair actually

[hushed axle]

I don’t remember ever seeing this comment however

At least not from frog

[rotund salmon]

Sorry im like
Insanly not good at thinking

[rotund salmon]

This

Was the start of that whole convo

[rotund salmon]

But again, I'm not exactly intellegent lol

CASE IN POINT

Ya that
Thats a good case A

Ignore me while I get myself scanned holy crap

[inland jewel]

that just means the new hoenn mons won't be available in base PIF,

idk what that means for PIF mons being available in Hoenn

[brittle wave]

yeah, they're coming in the sequel to PIF 😄

[inland jewel]

but to answer the question. They are not available yet

they will be in 6 months

if the timeline they set happens as they predict

[brittle wave]

True, but I gave my wishes/ideas about the hoenn region by filling out that form in the announcements section 😄

I did it in advance

[inland jewel]

i forgot to include it in mine but i want a harder AI

and i feel iffy filling out a 2nd form just to include it

[brittle wave]

I hope the staff will make legit changes to the game after reviewing the forms 😄

[full bison]

I just asked for the Battle Frontier

[brittle wave]

And I asked for a device similar to the ones in silver and gold version and the tracker, so we can see and track roaming pokemon (lvl 50) that run from battles easily 😄 So when we encounter them and they start to run away, we can either chase them or leave them alone and track them later 😄

[inland jewel]

i mean, im going to assume PIF Hoenn will at base use emerald, so we def will get the battle frontier

[full bison]

I've stopped assuming things will just have the Battle Frontier when it makes sense a long time ago

I've been burned too many times

[inland jewel]

fair, but also this ain't nintendo

[hushed axle]

I just want the pokegear

[prime dust]

The suggestion thing said R/S or E or ORAS

[hidden relic]

At the very least, I'd assume the story cues from Emerald, since it already does the work of putting all 3 "Box Legends" in the story

[wraith hinge]

I assume we can all agree that odds are we will likely battle Kyodon?

[rugged lodge]

It'll be Kyodonquaza.

Kanto's 2 megabosses are triple fusions.

[wraith hinge]

That is a valid point

I just wonder how it will work story-wise

[rugged lodge]

Magma versus Aqua versus Draconids.

[wraith hinge]

can we just get team Obsidian, fuse the two teams for maxie-mum fusion

(that was bad I apologize)

[full bison]

Zinnia trying to be the hero by causing a Weather trio triple fusion only for it to go berserk sounds like something she would do

[shut briar]

PIF Hoenn has me as excited as i could possibly be, i spent a solid hour writing up my submission this morning. primarily the expectation that we would get team magma/aqua questlines similar to the rocket line. then the potential for a lot of added content or world changes based on the progress (biggest problem i can see with having so much content tied to the teams is that not every play will do them so the normal player with no team needs to have quality content too)

[full bison]

Siding with either team Aqua or Magma to further antagonize the other is such a cool concept.

[shut briar]

the biggest extreme would be aiding the team in actually making their legendary take control over hoenn (for a little bit) and change the coastlines depending on which one you chose but uh... that'd be a lot of effort...

i also figured that for much less effort you could just make more Dive spaces or some underground areas based on the teams. maybe even go so far as a mini version of platinums underground

[vestal wharf]

Are we finally getting unova starters?

[verbal halo]

No

[vestal wharf]

😔

[verbal halo]

Hoenn, chingling, and cast form I believe

But

There may be updates with Pokemon

[vestal wharf]

Oh no take castform out

[molten loom]

castform is hoenn

[vestal wharf]

Too op

[vestal wharf]

Damn it

[verbal halo]

Why is it specifically listed then

[verbal halo]

This is unknown tho

[molten loom]

this is only said by you

[verbal halo]

Im going off PIf

And hope

[shut briar]

there is always a chance in the future they add more pokemon, but thats not currently on the horizon we see

[full bison]

It's specifically listed in the FAQ to explain how it has all its forms implemented

[verbal halo]

Ah ok

[haughty plover]

ik theyll likely go in generational order but what region would you most want

[gray vine]

in what way

cause on the horizon are currently 64 more pokemon

which most likely will be added somewhere this year

[shut briar]

that is not what i meant, in regards to adding things like unova mons is what i was aiming towards. which is something not on the menu.

[gray vine]

ye which is why i asked in what way you meant

[shut briar]

my point is that its always possible... anything is

just not with what was shown

[verbal halo]

Alola

[haughty plover]

any specific reason (i do agree with you)

[verbal halo]

Possible Z-moves, Defend your title mechanic, riding Pokemon,
Good Pokemon designs

Defend your title mechanic made it so, since your character was the first champion of alola, you can go back and battle a challenger, and if you lose, you had to battle the elite 4 again

If not, you could get prizes

[gray vine]

mons sure

i doubt we would get anything else lul

games still about fusions

megas where also remvoed cause people overused em

[haughty plover]

tbh im surprised we don't have solgaleo lunala and the calyrex trio yet, like theyre perfect for tripple fusions

[gray vine]

calyrex is gen 8

[haughty plover]

ik but im just saying its surprising those 5 arent in game
theres 9 pokemon who can fuse in mainline games and only 4 are in pif

[gray vine]

how is it suprising

i just said calyrex is gen 8

gen 8+ wont ever be added

nor in the sequel

[full bison]

It is kinda sad that Calyrex and the Honses aren't happening. I'd love to see some joke Fusions of them such as Glastrier/Calyrex reversing the roles and having poor Calyrex carry around the massive ice horse

[gray vine]

im good

i only hate 1 pokemon and thats the ugly ass onion headed deer shitbag

and while his horses are cool they really did not need to be more legends

could have easily been him just being able to ride some horse mons

[hushed axle]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-dance-calyrex-gif-19192527

[gray vine]

https://tenor.com/view/what-aaaaaa-bağırmak-çığlık-aaa-gif-19437672

[quaint matrix]

So I know Gen 8+ still ain't happening even in Hoenn

[hushed axle]

Yis

[quaint matrix]

That still includes all the new evos like Farigiraf and Annihilape then right?

[full bison]

Yup

[hushed axle]

Correct

[quaint matrix]

Sadge

But at least Mightyena and Hariyama my beloveds will be added

[full bison]

If I'm remembering right, there's a total of 841 Pokemon slots that will compose the Infinite Fusion Pokedex by the time all the Pokemon up to Gen 7 are implemented and we can start maybe hoping for Gen 8 and beyond. With the Hoenn additions, we are left at 565. So we've still got 276 Pokemon left to be added before that door potentially opens.

And even then there's the very real chance that Frog just decides the games are just fine staying at Gen 7 and just bowing out of this project altogether before he reaches that point

[summer apex]

I mean, the lack of gen 8 is not a "we haven't finished gens 1-7" thing, but sure

[hushed axle]

Let them dream

[zinc cave]

would be crazy if people fused with the pokemon ace as some kinda not mega form, reburst style

dunno if it would be interesting tho

[hardy flicker]

We absolutely need Mega Pokémon and Mega Fusions.

Want to fuse Mega Gengar and Sceptile? Do it!

Are you sadistic and want to fuse Dunsparce with a Mega Slowbro? Do it!

The sprite possibilities would be near endless.

Maybe a final battle between a triple fusion of Mega Groudon/Kyogre/Rayquaza?

[zinc prairie]

@couragestar

thank god

[alpine rune]

huh what happened

did he joined back or something?

[zinc prairie]

no I was checking if he did

this type of news would have exploded his activity

[alpine rune]

Bruh, let it go man

Its been 6 months

Actually I lost counted

[zinc prairie]

for the people nobody should have to be subjected to his discussion 😭

[alpine rune]

Let it go man

[zinc prairie]

I've been done

[alpine rune]

Safe to say they're not coming back. I mean even if they did

[zinc prairie]

looking thru the updates since my computer fried awhile ago and just got a new one to play

[alpine rune]

I havent played myself

Maybe I should

But eh

I could boot up 3 more runs for HOF to get the playthrough master role ig

[prime dust]

https://tenor.com/view/dew-it-galactic-republic-palpatine-gif-21847982

[trail hull]

820 actually

I made a calculation and we have 255 Pokémon left

[charred root]

Wait will dunsparce be in new game

[tacit saddle]

it... already is in the game

dex dunsparce

[light garden]

Dunsparce's IF Pokédex number is 206!

[charred root]

Got it

Forgot your not like Nintendo and remove pokemon from games lol

[arctic glacier]

complete dex from 1-3, then mostly just cool pokemon

and carbink

[viscid fossil]

it's all the pokemon in regular infinite fusion + the remaining hoenn mons + chingling

[arctic glacier]

Blissfully forgot chingling was getting added

Chimecho would have been happy to be a single stage

[prime dust]

this is way off, even if you factor in the form variations, we wouldn't get close to that

[weak trellis]

eh chingling is one of those baby mons that gives the evo a time to show up earlier so I can see it

(though maybe not here lol)

[inland jewel]

Chingling itself is a pretty cool mon to fuse

like i would normally not fuse Mime Jr. but it gives cute clown fusions as opposed to what Mr. Mime fusions usually turn into

[full bison]

Chimecho deserves an evolution. It's got a really charming design, and a fun concept that can be elaborated on to make something great.

[clever grove]

Carbink needs an evolution too

[full bison]

That's kinda what Diancie is in a way

[clever grove]

I am pretty sure that it was believed that carbink was diancie's first form

[full bison]

I think it's a cool idea that some Pokemon just have stronger versions of themselves that aren't evolutions or form changes. Diancie being a rare mutation is an interesting little twist in the formula

[clever grove]

Someone made this

[full bison]

I just hope ZA makes Diancie a little easier to obtain

[clever grove]

These are also the only bovine mons and neither have any proper evolution

[charred root]

lol I wonder if Wally will be like the mangas Wally and have what I think was asmua

[charred root]

I assume carbrinks have a chance to become a diancy but it’s rare that’s why it is considered a mystic

No one’s seen it happen or know what it take to make it so

Just that there super similar

Maybe it’s like I’m how second evos help starter levels out of like lead them

That’s my theory

[summer apex]

According to promotional artwork made to celebrate the Year of the Ox, Gamefreak considers Shellos, Gastrodon, and... Gothita... to be cow themed as well.

Gastrodon I can see, it's got bull horns. Idk what they were on about with Gothita

[charred root]

Also I wonder if the brail puzzle will be differnt and it will be to fuse rekicant and wallord lol

[slim otter]

In Japan, it is called the Gyoushi Pokémon, which means staring pokemon

Ushi means cow

So they made a funny and put the pokemon with a punny name in there

[weak trellis]

untranslatable japanese puns and TCP a quite frequent combo (especially in gens 1 and 8)

[full bison]

It's the entire reason why U-Turn, despite making far more sense as a Flying type move, is a Bug type move instead

[coarse karma]

@fallen loom I like your Sollux pfp. Haven't read HS since 2016 but still always puts a smile on my face as an old fan.

[woeful vector]

this would have been so cool to have as an offical thing lol lets hope game frek never finds it so that it still has chance lol

[prime dust]

gamefreak is rarely the ones that issue takedowns

it is always Nintendo and/or The Pokemon Company

ironically I think GameFreak is fine with "outside" content for Pokemon [in most situations] since it gets people into the franchise when otherwise they wouldn't

[clever grove]

This is in a nutshell

[clear lichen]

I read this in Sonic and Mario's voices

[full bison]

We know that Gamefreak is very aware of fan content considering they have rejected some Pokemon designs for looking too much like fanart (RIP Flying Eeveelution) but I'm not sure if that qualifies as respect or dismissiveness

[charred root]

This is why I struggle to watch the pokemon anime in Japanese’s

[charred root]

I think there issue is pokemon normely look and are based off where they live and fan art does a simler thing and they don’t wanna add a pokemon that we saw fan art cus people may think they are only adding favorites or somting is how I read that

[prime dust]

likely liability

can't use fan submissions for mons because that creates some possible legal shenanigans

[hollow grove]

if nintendo is like that why havent netendo shut this fan game down

[viscid fossil]

Pokémon is owned by game freak, not Nintendo
And frog isn't making money off of the game

[verbal halo]

That’s our frog

[full bison]

Because it's keeping its head down, relatively speaking. Stuff like Uranium was shut down cause the makers decided to ask for donations, and Nintendo didn't like people besides them and TPC profiting off their franchise, and stuff like AM2R was removed cause Nintendo was making a Metroid 2 remake and saw the fan game as a threat to their sales. Frog asks nothing from anyone and there's no Pokemon fusion gimmick beyond three legendary trios, so we're not in the crosshairs so long as things stay that way

TL;DR the second Gamefreak decides to do the fusion gimmick for a whole generation is probably the day this game dies

Thankfully the effort it would take to make 3D models for even a single generation of Pokemon getting added means we're probably safe

[hollow grove]

Yea i dont think the fusion gimmick fits a 3d game

[thin pawn]

Until they realize AI could just generate new pokemon for them

It's not like they care about making high quality games anyway

[molten osprey]

well they could do something similar to mega evolution where there are 20 ish predetermined fusions between two specific pokemon such as gengar/clefable so they don't have to make hundreds of fusions but could feature the mechanic

[amber ice]

i'd say they'd just make some convergent form that fuses them in a different way

just like iron valiant """is a fusion""" of both gallade and gardevoir

but letting people use two mons and then fuse? i doubt they ever will personally

[rugged lodge]

Iron Valiant and the other Paradoxes are possibly a product of imagination becoming reality.

As odd as it may seem, the "Time Machine" has properties to make Pokemon that have an existence that defies historical understanding.

[viscid fossil]

Paradox pokemon don't nake sense.
No matter how you look at it, there's something contradictory in the games somewhere. It's It's paradoxal.
.......OH

[rugged lodge]

It's more akin to the Comet Nova from Kirby. A wishing machine.

Anyway, Game Freak has no incentive to make a fusion game.
Internally, it is admitted that they don't have to put a considerable effort into making games when they'll sell anyway.

[full trout]

Could have sworn the time machine was confirmed to be diagonal time travel

[rancid nymph]

So Mario spoke Italian gibberish instead of saying “see you in court”?

[full trout]

"Here We Go! To Court!"

[thin pawn]

I liked the theory that they weren't "real" pokemon

Back when we thought terrapagos was gonna be some awesome eldritch horror

[hushed axle]

https://tenor.com/view/yawn-pikachu-captain-pikachu-pokemon-asleep-gif-1211960505671837977

He so scary

[thin pawn]

to be fair this is all we had to go off of

[inland jewel]

From what i understand, the paradox mons are what pokemon are like in the past, and what pokemon will be like in the future

so in the past Donphan had humungous tusks and spikes all over, it grew smaller to be the donphan we know of today and in the future as things became more steel towers and electric streets with real plants and animals dying out, the species known as Donphan would go on to inhabit whatever Iron Treads is

[junior tiger]

Except that it doesn't exactly track when you look at it logically.
For example, Sandy Shocks. Just, ALL of Sandy Shocks.
But also, any Pokémon that has a pre-evolution in modern time somehow leading to a future Pokémon or coming from a past Pokémon that just doesn't have that pre-evolution? I'm sorry, what happened to your babies?!
I believe the current theory is that it is a Time Machine only a little bit, and it's actually hopping universes, like a multiverse. Whether or not it is doing so through time is a little less relevant if it's an entirely different universe

[full bison]

Scream Tail is apparently older than all other forms of multicellular life if we take the "Paradox Pokemon are Ancient/Future Pokemon" thing at face value lol

[weak trellis]

yea I was looking at this one like "king chamleon..." but yea we got Turt mc Gurt (smol)

(I don't mind terapagos but I am a bit annoyed that the 450 BST form is unusable in battle)

as for paradox mons in general it feels odd since the actual mons make more sense in scarlet but the plot of it all makes more sense in violet?

[thin pawn]

I thought they were like artificial pokemon that just happened to resemble past/future animals

[weak trellis]

I do like my own headcanon where the past imports started off accurate with mons like great tusk and brute bonnet but the machine ended up breaking down resulting in some... imperfections coming across

[thin pawn]

And Terrapagos was gonna be like this giant eldritch monstrosity

Instead we got small turtle

[full bison]

I just wish there was some speculative evolution related Future Paradoxes instead of all of them being robots

[weak trellis]

"turns out the giant eldritch monstrosity was keiran's main character syndrome"

yea in terms of lore the future paradoxes kinda just feel like an afterthought compared to the past ones

so it ends up being "Invasives Round 2, this time with 2x the mons"

(invasives round 1 being the ultra beasts in S/M)

[full bison]

Some of the robots are cool and fanartists absolutely ran wild with the concept, but way too many Future Paradoxes just look bland. Valiant, Moth, and Bundle are the only ones I remember positively

[weak trellis]

("invasives" is not at all official but I kinda just like using that term to lump the ultra beasts and the paradoxes together since they feel similar in terms of the tone they have)

[full bison]

Similar theme, plus they both have the gimmicks of their stats all being a specific type of number and a strange noise at the end of their cries

[weak trellis]

and also both of the box legendaries of that gen also technically counting at them

[gray vine]

i really dont mind i do love the robot designs

[inland jewel]

i mean, its like the same with baby pokemon though, Screamtail could very well be a past jigglypuff that grew to fit the present better. and some baby mons require the presence of an item/aroma for it to even happen

in the Kanto region, only Jigglypuffs were around, no signs of igglybuffs anywhere

[gray vine]

i enjoyed the theory that they are pulled from other timelines

they are paradoxes after all not just past and future

[full bison]

The story of ScarVi becomes really weird when the whole Terapagos at the Crystal Pool thing happens and it turns out that the player character gave the professor the book, therefore meaning they're indirectly responsible for Arven's parents neglecting him

[silk cobalt]

The same conversations implies Paradox Pokémon might have come from other realities instead of just time, which...well, also puts the whole focus on time weird, too.

It's contradictory.

[junior tiger]

Using Gen 1 for anything other than excellent examples of terrible games is unwise, they had so many issues outside of just the lore issue, but yes, introducing baby Pokémon after the fact makes zero sense. Even the items make zero sense, especially since not every baby Pokémon needs an incense.
However, even if we exclude all pre-evolution logic, explain to me how a magnetic trio of Steel types existed thousands of years ago, when dinosaurs roamed the earth and electricity and magnetism were natural phenomena, not something in a man-made item like a magnet.
Or explain how Iron Valiant is a combination of two different Pokémon that also includes aspects of a Mega that doesn't exist in Paldea in our universe. (Don't forget, the Future Paradox Pokémon are supposed to be naturally occurring Pokémon, not manmade.)

[weak trellis]

the explanation TCP probably provides is "because we said so, take it or leave it."

[full bison]

Trying to actually extrapolate consistent lore from a series that doesn't really care that much about it is a fool's errand to begin with

The most care Gamefreak has shown towards Pokemon lore is Legends Arceus

[zinc prairie]

hi cat

[wind valley]

Plus I have my own concept art for a Gengar/Claydol fusion.

Since there isn’t a fusion of these 2 yet…

[mint olive]

man typing the story for the wishes is kinda tiring

[unkempt stone]

I always thought it was gonna be a new Zygarde version

Because of the hexagon looking egg

And then we got a dopey lookin turtle

[alpine rune]

Why does it curl up like a mammal instead of goin inside their shell

[hybrid steppe]

Can anyone let me know what is happening with this game? Hoen in is my favourite region and would love for it to be made however I’m new and have no clue what’s happening.

[mint olive]

the game is getting a sequel which features hoenn

[hybrid steppe]

Oh sick any idea on when it will come out?

[mint olive]

no

[slim otter]

About six months until there's anything playable

That will probably be just a demo

[hybrid steppe]

Oh great I look forward to it

[slim otter]

If you have ideas for the game, you can tell the game dev about them with the form linked in #announcements

[hybrid steppe]

Cool will have a think about it

[mint olive]

Hopefully when zygarde is in the game we don't have to collect cells for it

[viscid fossil]

You have to find 10 10% forms and then fuse them together to get a 20% form and then a 30% form etc etc

[rancid nymph]

Or, hear me out, we make a Zygarde form for every percentage

(Which would give Zygarde around 10% of the forms Charizard has )

[proper ocean]

im not sure if this has been answered somewhere and i js missed it but will pif hoenn be apart of the original pif application or be a seperate application?

[molten loom]

It's in the FAQ, it's a separate game

[proper ocean]

alr thank you

[prime dust]

that would fall into the fakemon thing, which is its own separate gimmick

Zygarde has 3 forms and that is it [not factoring the cells]

Dog
Zygarde
Megazord

[hushed axle]

Megazord

[prime dust]

gestures
Megazord

[full bison]

Just got back from the new "What Pokemon is the worst Pet" on Hoenn just to get back to discuss what can potentially be done for a fangame taking place in Hoenn.

[prime dust]

a lot

Gen 3 is I think the most used region for romhacks/mods/fan games

followed shortly by Gen 1

[Gen 2 I don't see much of ironically]

[clear lichen]

Because 10 multiplied by 10 is 20 as everyone knows

[full bison]

Gen 2 kinda suffers from not having the iconicness of Kanto while not having the memorable locales of later generations besides maybe Goldenrod and Ecruteak and everything within

Gen 3 just oozes with atmosphere, having some of the most memorable locales in the series

[prime dust]

ah yes the memorable locale of...water

[full bison]

How many other regions can boast about having a numbered route be as iconic as Route 113?

[prime dust]

dumb idea to maybe suggest a legally distinct Spartan be a post game fight on route 117

even funnier would be to have that be the only instance of extra gimmicks in the game

[full bison]

One thing I thought of that could be interesting is to have the Poke Radar be expanded into having a similar level of utility as the DexNav did in ORAS. Easier egg moves, Hidden Abilities, etc

Just maybe without the whole tiptoeing thing

[prime dust]

I don't mind the idea of having Egg Moves tied to an NPC, but the main crux of the problem with the one in PIF is that it didn't work right [ex: Azumaril can't learn Belly Drum; not sure if that was an intentional choice or just jank code]

but yeah, a tweaked DexNav might be a good route to go to resolve that in some capacity

[full bison]

It would certainly be a more reliable means of Hidden Ability obtaining than just running around in circles at Fushia and hoping the outbreak is taking place at the route the Pokemon you want the hidden ability on is located

[prime dust]

well I mean even PIF has a mini solution for that

there are a few places that are permanent HA zones

you still have to find a mon with its HA but

makes the process a bit smoother

then you can just use the hatransfer glitch

so for Hoenn we could easily do the same, have a "grotto" that is a permanent ha zone

[weak trellis]

"the ultra secret boss fight with master chief, has been removed." ~InfernoPlus

[full bison]

The Doom Slayer got to him 😔

[rugged lodge]

How to HA efficiently:

Step 1: pick your permanent HA zone of choice.
Step 2: randomize the wild spawns.
Step 3: check the spawns if they contain what you want. If not, repeat Step 2.
Step 4: catch the one you want.

[silk cobalt]

does that chest open up like a maw and/or is he just got huge chest

[silk cobalt]

One thing I did actually ask for that I doubt will happen are eggs.

[summer apex]

like... pokemon eggs?

[silk cobalt]

yeah

A breeding mechanic between fusions.

[summer apex]

oh, breeding fusions

[silk cobalt]

I get why not, logically and code wise (you can just do the individual parts), but I think breeding's fun to mess around with even casually

[viscid fossil]

There is nothing stopping it code wise
It used to be possible but it was apparently a bug

(don't tell that to the npcs who give eggs that hatch into fusions)

[silk cobalt]

yeah i know they exist :p

but i get why not

[full bison]

How long do you think it will take to get a Whiscash fusion that references this guy?

[silver hull]

well now i gotta do that

easy magikarp wishcash fusion

[silk cobalt]

omg

whiscash smeargle i would think

[next flare]

Nothing happens until you do it yourself

Or initiate it yourself

[silver hull]

oh thats a good one too

we need one of belongs in the trash bold and brash too

[silk cobalt]

POKENAME has a peculiar and seemingly refined taste for art: some pieces it adores, while others it has no interest in. Pieces praised by a POKENAME are highly sought after by collectors and gallery curators.

[trail hull]

maybe not too long if you try to make a request in #sprite-requests

[stiff storm]

Do you think any kind of multiplayer will be enabled for IF 2?

Or I suppose I should say 'possible' rather than enabled

[next flare]

Multiplayer functionality requires a lot of things beyond the scope of IF 2
It would be a very unlikely addition

[stiff storm]

Fair enough

[full bison]

There's a Showdown adjacent format if you're interested in PvP

[prime dust]

the game engine is too old, it is doable, but as testrun said, it is kind of beyond the scope

on the low end, you are looking at finding a peer-to-peer program that could be added into the code, something free preferably; which means it won't be great at its job, on the high end you are looking at finding a server program that could be added into the code; which more than likely would cost money to run, money that frog would have to put up on his own with no assistance from us otherwise risk the rain of Nintendo

[full bison]

Trying to maintain an online system with fan donations is exactly what killed Uranium IIRC

[inland jewel]

Multiplayer is something the game engine cannot support

if they do want to include it they would have to make PIF Hoenn in an entirely new engine

but then the backwards compatibility that they've been spouting wouldn't be possible

[prime dust]

actually Tara the engine can support it, I've seen a old rpg maker forum post about a beta for a multiplayer thing for some other variants of the engine [something like MV, I forget, would need to try and find it again]

it is doable but would require a LOT of work

[radiant axle]

so, is hoenn going to be its own separate game, or will it be added to the end of the existing one, like departing for hoenn from Olivine or something?

[prime dust]

separate game

current PIF doesn't have the map space for a new region

[prime dust]

yeah found the post in the forums again, MV and MZ

also just now found a post that actually is for XP from 2009; but it is demo status, no guarantee how functional it is

[radiant axle]

map space? I don't think I understand... Why would map space be different from spriting space?

[prime dust]

so, RPG Maker XP has a limit of 999 maps

PIF currently uses 849 of those

meaning we have 150 maps before we physically can't add more

[full bison]

Hoenn is way more than 150 maps worth of space

[prime dust]

[at least not without some weird jank work arounds]

to clarify, a "map" is any instance of a transition between two places

example, your house where you start the game is 2 maps

[radiant axle]

ah, damn. Didn't know that. That seems fairly artificial, though? I wonder why specifically 999.

[prime dust]

because the game engine is old

like as in it will be 20 this year

[full bison]

There may be a workaround considering it's not a hex value and therefore not defined by memory, but it could still get spaghetti code-y at that point

[prime dust]

oh it would very much get spaghetti codey at that point

I looked it up sometime last year, best course of action I found was basically having another 999 maps be "separate" which would add complexity to the game [in the essence of not just code but also keeping the game maintained and updated, and likely also tack on some possible loading issues

the gameis already spaghetti code as it is

best not make it more italian [badum ts]

[prime dust]

I have also now remembered something very important that comes with PIF Hoenn

https://youtu.be/SAjRuGdXeOE?si=MHfma1cLz_i8xfgo

[full bison]

Gen 3 music was amazing. Not quite peak, as Gens 4 and 5 occupy that spot IMO, but extremely close.

[prime dust]

ah yes Gen 4

the only Generation with music that scarred people

[full bison]

I mean, I personally still get flashbacks of May filtering me hard in Emerald at that route north of Slateport hearing the rival theme, but Cynthia's theme is a lot more intimidating sounding, yeah

[rancid nymph]

Actually, I think Gen 4 probably has the worst soundtrack in the series. Because 1. Half of the soundtrack is just the same song but worse and 2. The music that plays outside the Pokémon league is sad and depressing for no reason

[prime dust]

that second bit makes sense then

[rancid nymph]

Don’t get me wrong, I like the rest of the Gen 4 soundtrack, it’s just the only one with music I actually dislike

[prime dust]

the music outside the pokemon league is warning you of what is to come

https://youtu.be/cho2NsCKZZc?si=bjo2P44LQ1FVkuuj
https://youtu.be/rXefFHRgyE0?si=eY_XSJZR4JyM8_7b

[full bison]

The only Pokemon soundtrack I don't care for is Gen 6. Absolute lamest Gym theme in the series. Just random electronic noise.

[distant forum]

as much as i am hyped for PIF hoenn, Hoenn is so over used.

[full bison]

The Gen 6 legendary theme is super lame too. Has a cool start then does basically nothing with it

The only themes I consistently find myself remembering fondly are a handful of town themes like Dendemille, Cyllage, and Snowbelle

[rancid nymph]

Honestly I don’t remember most of Gen 6’s music

[full bison]

Exactly

[rancid nymph]

Question, are we allowed to submit the PIF Hoenn suggestions form multiple times?

Because I realized there was something I forgot to include

[slim otter]

I like the gen 4 music :0

Yeah, Gen 6 was forgettable

[junior tiger]

@hexed agate

[junior tiger]

Battle Frontier music from Gen 3 was also banger

[weak trellis]

yea gen 6 is where it feels like they started pushing overworld tracks to the background lol

gens 6 and 7 tried to some degree like with anistar and vast poni canyon but in gens 8 and 9 the overworld tracks kinda just feel like background noise lol

[haughty plover]

i think pif works as well as it does bc of the much greater choice it provides and pif 2 should increase that

[twilit reef]

What if they do gen 3 mechanics for pif2. So dragon moves are special. And flying moves are physical

[full bison]

Please no

Trying to remember what types are physical or special instead of it being intuitive like the punching moves being physical is why I've never replayed Gen 3 since Gen 4 dropped

[twilit reef]

The starter trio is special. Electric and dragon special. Everything else physical

I think don't quote me on that

Oh psychic is special duh

[viscid fossil]

dark:

It's all of the eevees + dragon

[twilit reef]

You right

[viscid fossil]

Yes, ghost is physical. Don't question it.

[twilit reef]

Lick

[weak trellis]

the cascade off lick being the only move in gen 1 that needed a distinction

but yea I could see that being a possible option in the menu like the 2v2/3v3 fights maybe

[twilit reef]

Shadow ball. Balls are physical. Astonish should go to special honestly

[viscid fossil]

Some split moves don't make sense in general
Why is grass knot special

[rain locust]

knot physical

[weak trellis]

I forget was it this chat or another one where we were talking about how grass knot is a special move that makes contact

[hexed agate]

I'd imagine so? But I'd only add new info to it

[twilit reef]

I'd add a ton. I didn't. And I'm not gonna. But I would

It asks for recommendations on new story. Gotta do some new characters. Throw some spice in there. Get real personal

[tropic dew]

So uh... I had a thought.

You know how the RSE/ORAS protag moves to Hoenn in the very start? For those of you that might have forgotten, apparently, according to a line from Norman during the World Tournament in B2W2, he and his family originally lived in Johto, and more specifically, Olivine City.

Since PIF has hit the RPG Maker XP engine's basic limit of 999 maps, it would be neat if we had more overt references to where the protagonist used to live whenever PIF Hoenn releases

[alpine rune]

Yknow I've been thinking

Has anyone ever gotten or every single contest ribbons in Pokémon emerald?

I feel like I've only done it once for one competition

[hexed frost]

There have been people who get every ribbon on one pokémon before

[alpine rune]

No I know that

But just asking here if anyone has ever done that

Cuz I don't have enough patience to make poffins

[hexed frost]

I want to say I got close in both Emerald and Platinum, but I don't actually remember truly getting them all.

[alpine rune]

Hoenn is so fun to think about cuz like there's also secret bases and stuff

I forgot what else

[lean grove]

Want to see my brother

[clever grove]

No

[lean grove]

Bruh

[alpine rune]

Sir this is #pif-hoenn-discussion

Also I think posting your own pictures is against the rules

?tag rule13

[lean grove]

No

[opal trail]

Rule 13 DISALLOWED CONTENT: Doxxing. Please never discuss your own or anyone else’s personal details or post pictures of yourself or your loved ones, this is for the protection of you and every other user.

[lean grove]

It’s not me

[alpine rune]

Still, don't do that

[lean grove]

Ok

[rain locust]

it says or your loved ones

and in either case why would you post that here

[lean grove]

He’s not my loved one

[merry condor]

[rain locust]

they should probably edit the rules to say relatives or something

or known individuals

[hushed axle]

It’s been dealt with. He doesn’t realize I can see his deleted messages.

[rain locust]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-chat-courtney-pokemon-gif-12085208945144825580

[hushed axle]

It me

[tropic dew]

So yeah, no more off topic shenanigans perhaps?

[molten loom]

I see they also tried to change name to be bad, mobile discord showed it for a second

[alpine rune]

oh ok

I was about to

[tropic dew]

so... what, did we just witness a ban evasion attempt?

[alpine rune]

Let's not worry about that

[hushed axle]

Okay, I didn’t imagine that?

[molten loom]

Nope

[alpine rune]

i saw it for a second too, but yea lets not worry about that if its been dealt with

[tropic dew]

wayyy ahead of you

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-day-dream-the-simpsons-eating-sleeping-gif-20458410

[alpine rune]

So about hoenn silly mechanics

[rain locust]

we should bring back explosion mechanics so random wildmons ohko everything

[tropic dew]

or we could not do that and say we did

[hexed frost]

What do you think about the Soaring mechanic in ORAS? The one where you ride your Lati-twin. I don't think it would be feasible to easily code in RPG Maker, but devs could do something a bit different.

How about creating a "sky ferry" system in Fortree City which you can use to travel to special hidden locations?
You could be given these locations by NPCs you defeat or complete quests for. Or just by reading books in the region.
That way you can go to places like the Secret Shore (ORAS location for secret bases) or Pathless Plains (ORAS). It would also give more weight to quests for hunting legendaries and bases without needing to code a soaring system.

[alpine rune]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-spongebob-gif-6081957

[alpine rune]

I think, if soaring mechanics is a thing, it would be a different map to roam around and teleport to

And if thats gonna be a thing, would there be sky battles as well?

[tropic dew]

We literally just had the ferry in... I wanna say Slateport, in RSE, where you could give a guy an event ticket to take you to specified islands. I don't see why that has to necessarily change.

[hexed frost]

Yeah, I know. I remember the Eon ticket.

This is for landlocked areas, like the ORAS ones

[alpine rune]

imagine

Horde battles

[hexed frost]

I liked both sky battles and horde battles

[grand rapids]

I think Horde Battles would kill the game engine dead

[tropic dew]

Ah, the landlocked special areas.

You could always incorporate Hoopa shenaigans as more than just "oh hey here's a portal with a Pokemon popping out" and have them show up as doorways to said special landlocked/other areas.

[hexed frost]

Yeah, I guess that's fair. I wanted to offer a solution that didn't involve a legendary, and breathed some life into Fortree city / NPC rewards. That poor, poor place.

The only other thing I see for Fortree is a Zelda Lost Woods style area

[alpine rune]

[hexed frost]

Maybe I'm short-sighted

[alpine rune]

Randomizers be damned

Imagine 5 groudons

[hexed frost]

I no longer like horde battles

[alpine rune]

[hexed frost]

[alpine rune]

5 ultra necrozmas suddenly appears

[molten loom]

What's the funniest horde encounter

Necrozma would be funny

But I feel like something dumb but powerful might be funnier

[tropic dew]

Horde Batttle of 5 Arceus all wielding different plates

[molten loom]

Like you roll up to 5 electrodes and get nuked

[alpine rune]

I feel like Ucrozma already got the crite-

[alpine rune]

Ok nvm you win the award

[merry condor]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-infinite-fusion-pokemon-electrode-explode-kaboom-gif-13124258821276956740

[hexed frost]

4 Tropius and a Snorlax

[alpine rune]

"Which demoman placed a sticky trap here?!"

https://tenor.com/view/demoman-tf2demoman-glue-hell-team-fortress2-gif-22429703

[peak mauve]

Courtney my beloved

😭

[rancid nymph]

And they’re all terra type Normal and holding Normal gems

[viscid fossil]

And have their hidden-er ability (Scrappy)

[full bison]

The horde battle encounter with Graveler is pretty high up, what with how they all kill each other with Magnitude spam

[spice sage]

Pif Hoenn Dev Update #1 : Improved trainer rematches

[full bison]

Imagine instead of all that horde battle stuff, we get a late game fight with Codel from one of the GameCube games (forgot which one) and he brings his trademark "everyone explodes" team

[white meadow]

speaking of which

are they gonna go with og mauville city

or improved mauville city

from ORAS

[tulip nacelle]

Prediction for story:

New Team is going to have seen the devastation made by groudon and kyogre, so they take the idea that if it was combined in one creature then there would be harmony and everything would be in balance, and they do that but it goes horribly wrong.

[twilit reef]

I definitely want to see all the old admins at some point

[clear lichen]

Would be hilarious tbh

[rancid nymph]

How TF is Codel?

[full bison]

Supertrainer in Pokemon Colosseum who had a team of 5 Pokemon with Explosion and a Dusclops with Imprison and Protect

[white meadow]

I used to think that too lmfao but it grew on me

in fact gen 4 is prolly my fav pokemon soundtrack ever lmfao

because everythings just so groovy for no reason

[clear lichen]

Idk what my favourite is lol

I think Gen 5 and 9 are the top contenders probably

[white meadow]

like oreburgh city, route 216 and eterna city lol

[clear lichen]

That said I made the assumption that Gen 5 would be 2nd place for my favourite roster of Pokemon

And it ended up in a race for 4th

So my guesses on Gen 5 haven't been the most accurate

[white meadow]

Gen 5 dex is prolly my fav

[inland jewel]

gen 7 has some amazing battle themes

[white meadow]

because everything there is just so awesome