pif-hoenn-discussion

[supple condor]

I just realized something

[grave jolt]

oh god 6 months

[supple condor]

I might have to redo my grass mono run when the rest of the hoenn dex gets added

[plain belfry]

Wait is spheal from this gen? Might wanna try new one just for that lol

Welp my bf is gonna scream /pos

[weak trellis]

my runs are still gonna continue as-is probably

[lunar knot]

i wonder what pokemon will be added? i'm super excited

[plain belfry]

Listen if spheal is in there that’s a win alone

[dry cradle]

Literally my favorite region. Also I didn't realize infinite fusion was that old. I was just starting high school when it started. Crazy

[twin phoenix]

Let's goooo, this was my starting region.

[lunar knot]

damn lol

and i only started playing PIF this year lmao

i knew about the game for a long time, i just never got around to playing it til this year

[merry condor]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-team-aqua-hoenn-archie-maxie-gif-27693083

[proud lion]

All the Hoenn + Chinglingling

[summer apex]

It's all pokemon originally from Hoenn (that aren't already available in game), plus Chingling

[proud lion]

https://tenor.com/view/chingling-question-mark-pokemon-daytuna-gif-22851347

[lunar knot]

why chingling of all things lol

[lunar knot]

ok

[proud lion]

Baby

[fathom sluice]

One of my first comments when I came here like 3 weeks ago was “maybe they need to make a sequel” lol. Was mocked. Now who’s the idiot? 😎😎😎

[proud lion]

Pre-Evo of Chimecho

[lunar knot]

yea ik that lol

[fathom sluice]

Badges keep people honest

[north kettle]

?tag shiny

[opal trail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1234193841544888340/1330936323137081405/shiny_guide.png?ex=678fca8b&is=678e790b&hm=77665801a17eb0fd89098dc4d1c356f16215bd93ceb992617f5faf28e24be1ac&

[fathom sluice]

I think Chimecho is in Gen 3

[proud lion]

Yes

[slim otter]

Is Chingling unable to evolve in your world?

[fathom sluice]

Still the weirdest pre-evo

[lunar knot]

yes

[slim otter]

Have you never heard of a Chimecho?

[summer apex]

Chimecho is from gen 3, Chingling is from gen 4

I'm guessing they just didn't want another evo line split in the dex list

[proud lion]

https://tenor.com/view/team-rocket-team-rocket-pokemon-james-team-rocket-james-pokemon-コジロウロケット団chimeco-gif-25051732

[slim otter]

What are these 'gen's you speak of?

[summer apex]

Tell me more about this... "Chimecho"

[slim otter]

It is as pictured above, attacking the ex-admin James.

[summer apex]

'Gens' are a system we use to categorize pokemon based on the region where they were first discovered. In this case, 'gen 3' refers to pokemon native to the Hoenn region

It's helpful because frankly I cannot remember 500+ pokemon

[slim otter]

I see. I will remember that for future interactions in your culture.

[lunar knot]

aren't we up to 700+ pokemon at this point?

[brazen echo]

@slim otter has awarded @summer apex 5 grunt points!

[merry condor]

501

[summer apex]

Mmm... more dabloons for the hoard

[lunar knot]

i thought we had more than 501

[merry condor]

Roughly how many pokemon in total on the new hoenn sequel?.

[lunar knot]

i mean in main series, not PIF

[summer apex]

Full list of all new pokemon and their dex numbers:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BkCbkhgJ3_HEFp7Znx3N3WeOQCzqcRnRn-qZ0lhsHW0/edit?tab=t.5i6tpl3cy2a2

[fathom sluice]

Over 1000 I believe

[merry condor]

1025 then, not including the mega or other form.

[lunar knot]

oh god damn

[fathom sluice]

Needs to happen someday

PIF with all Pokes ever 🙏🙏🙏

[summer apex]

nope

not gonna happen

[fathom sluice]

SOMEDAY

[summer apex]

not even someday

[lunar knot]

IT'S WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT

[fathom sluice]

Someone will put in the effort

[summer apex]

Yeah but it's also what the base code said no to

[fathom sluice]

And be the new Moses handing down the Commandments

The Pokemandments

[summer apex]

Frog tried to add something from gen 8 and it broke literally everything

[merry condor]

I didn't notice there is 2 tabs, thank you sheep.

[lunar knot]

maybe the sequel can have them then

[fathom sluice]

You need to have a new framework outside of Poke Fundamentals

[summer apex]

the sequel is going to run on the exact same version of pokemon essentials

which means it will have the exact same limitation

[fathom sluice]

Limitations of the engine it seems

[lunar knot]

oh so frog isn't using a new engine then

[hollow creek]

First new sprite for da update!!

[lunar knot]

got it

[lunar knot]

love it

[fathom sluice]

ERRYDAY I’M WURMPLIN

[bleak summit]

So, what new Hoenn mons are you guys excited about?

[lunar knot]

i'm just excited about the sequel in general

[bleak summit]

Oh, me too. Hoenn is my fave region

[manic mist]

Oh it's a sequel

[lunar knot]

yes

from my understanding anyways

[plain belfry]

WAIT HOW DID I NOT NOTICE HIM JOINING

I love him in go with his lil party hat

[silk cobalt]

i have come to the conclusion tropius's pallete is fine, regrettably

[bleak summit]

Regrettably?

[merry condor]

https://tenor.com/view/seedot-gif-25300951

[manic mist]

Hope they make The pokedex even bigger

[bleak summit]

Huh. Never thought I'd see a seedot taking out god

[lunar knot]

what the hell?

[merry condor]

I'm waiting for exploud as well

[bleak summit]

I'm excited about castform, myself. Also, mightyena. I have got to do a new Team Sky run in Hoenn once it's out

[plain belfry]

Spheal and wurmple. I’m excited for the cute lil guys

[manic mist]

I just want to do horrors beyond comprehension

[merry condor]

https://tenor.com/view/exploud-pokémon-exploud-super-sonic-pokémon-super-sonic-exploud-uses-super-sonic-gif-26285240

[manic mist]

Like this nice fella:

[bleak summit]

Hey, you mind turning down the volume on that gif?

[merry condor]

Imagine exploud / sylveon pixilate ability + boomburst.

[lunar knot]

that sounds broken as fuck

[bleak summit]

Can't you already do that with noivern?

[merry condor]

Nah I don't like noivern

[lunar knot]

IM TOTALLY GONNA MAKE ONE WHEN THE GAME COMES OUT

[lunar knot]

oh yea you can i think

[plain belfry]

I thought you said make out and I was so confused

[lunar knot]

PFFFFFT

LOL

[merry condor]

I wonder how casform work on infinite fusion, I wonder if it's the same as official game.

[lunar knot]

most likely

[west sonnet]

Basically

The form shifts will be separate dex entries such as oricorio or U. Necro

[merry condor]

I wonder how casform going to work with these Pokemon

• Necrozma
• Minior
• Meloetta
• Oricorio

[bleak summit]

Same way as those mons work with each other

[vapid violet]

@golden notch you might be happy to hear Plusle going to be in the game now (also your old plusle fusions may get harvested and added)

[golden notch]

LET'S

GO

[vapid violet]

The game just got more positive owo

[golden notch]

PLUSLE

This means I better get back to work while my brain hyperfixated

[bleak summit]

Not to be negative here, but what about minun?

[golden notch]

I truly hope Plusle returns

[vapid violet]

(Minun is in too but we don't talk about him )

[golden notch]

Minun has always been compared to Plusle as "better", mainly because of its shiny being more distinct.

Minun is okay, but I wish for a world where Plusle and Minun may be seperate by default, together if wished. For both are their own strengths

Tldr: Minun is overrated and people who like it tend to either be neutral on Plusle or EXCLUSIVELY SHIT ON IT FOR IT'S BAD SHINY

[twin phoenix]

So apparently I made a thread for a now IF mon, do I bring that thread back or make a new one? Or should I go straight to IMSR?

[merry condor]

https://tenor.com/view/plusle-minun-plusle-and-minun-pokemon-gif-5121965706490048013

[bleak summit]

Personally, I prefer plusle cause I like red

[golden notch]

Fair enough

Both good, I just prefer Plusle because of personal reasons

[lunar knot]

the best pikachu clone imo is pawmi

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-pawmi-gif-27143298

[latent knoll]

I like minun because it means mine in Finnish XD

[golden notch]

Pawmi is adorable, I wish it leaned into the fact it gets revival blessing more tho

[lunar knot]

best of all, it evolves into and electric/fighting type

[golden notch]

I do like that typing

[lunar knot]

i was tempted to not evolve my pawmi in scarlet cus of how cute it is, but i chose to evolve it cus it's just not viable to keep it as a pre-evolved pokemon

[lunar knot]

same

[weak trellis]

I mean eviolite can save it in a pinch for in-game stuff but

[lunar knot]

even then, i don't think that'll be enough

[bleak summit]

Considering their gimmick, I don't really see them being considered too seperate by most

[golden notch]

That is what I expected...HOWEVER

[latent knoll]

I want spheal fusions already

[golden notch]

people make the mistake of saying they are simply the same pokemon with a different coat of paint

[lunar knot]

i don't use them cus they're basically just gimmick pokemon imo

[golden notch]

They are WRONG!

[latent knoll]

If nothing else cheek pattern

[lunar knot]

true

[golden notch]

1. Plusle has MORE SPECIAL ATTACK than Minun! Minun has more SPECIAL DEFENSE than Plusle.

2. their hidden abilities are different! Lightning rod and Volt absorb respectively

Meaning they can have different uses!

[merry condor]

What about silcoon/cascoon? That's the same like minun/plushle.

[golden notch]

For instance: switching in on miraidon and tera fairy-ing to remove both stab options

[golden notch]

Well, besides the fact they evolve into completely different pokemon -whether cascoon or silkoon depends on nature doesn't it?

[merry condor]

They probably meant design wise.

[bleak summit]

Silcoon is clearly superior

[latent knoll]

I had a friend in trade school who thought silcoon and cascoon went by gender

I'm not kidding

[golden notch]

Well, almost nothing besides their evolutions. Same stats and all

However beautifly has a great color palette and dustox would be a good moth pokemon!

[merry condor]

We're not talking about this againn, both are good, end of discussion .

[bleak summit]

It actually depends on personality value, making it essentially random

[plain belfry]

Okay good one but also. Mimikyu if you count her

[twin phoenix]

Where do I find fusion numbers for the new Hoenn adds?

[dusty arrow]

WE ARE SO BACK

[latent knoll]

Some of our convos made me lose brain cells

[dusty arrow]

GEN 3
ICE TYPE MAGIKARP AND CRAWDAUNT CONFIRMED

[dry cradle]

I'm the friend in trade school. But also I don't know the last time I even considered using either so I'm giving myself a pass

[proud lion]

The FAQ

[plain belfry]

Thanks toad

[bleak summit]

What is ice type magikarp?

[gray stream]

"Ice Type Magikarp 😊!!" We all say in unison.

[dusty arrow]

[golden notch]

Maybe I'll finally get back into sprite art now

But now that Plusle may get in, who next do I advocate for...?

But of course

Bergmite

[cerulean topaz]

i do think its funny that the event doc had in red that there was "no plans to add new pokemon at this time". like sure they technically didnt add it via the event but they definitely had. a few. that were going to be added.

[gray stream]

Well plusle is in. And bergmite is based

[golden notch]

Bergmite is wonderful

[cerulean topaz]

im still advocating for a lot of gen 5 because its missing so many mons

give me munna and dwebble and sewaddle and

[dusty arrow]

(for those who dont know, ice type magikarp is gen 3)

[golden notch]

I saw one crash a streamer's nuzlocke-and send them back to the save before one of their mons died

[dusty arrow]

(although im not sure how you guys wouldnt know)

[plain belfry]

I like ones from pokepark 2 cause that game was my childhood

[cerulean topaz]

real

[plain belfry]

I don’t have braincells and I didn’t play gen 3

[cerulean topaz]

im a pokefarm player

[dusty arrow]

thats fair

[plain belfry]

My fav was alola which doesn’t have much pokemon in here so

[cerulean topaz]

i just cant think of what ice type magikarp would be because im bad at remembering pokemon by type even though gen 3 is the only one ive actually played through

[dusty arrow]

ice type magikarp is ice type magikarp wdym?

[cerulean topaz]

i started gen 5 but it is Hard

[merry condor]

Bergmite is gen 6 right? Yeah you're gonna have to wait.

[cerulean topaz]

volt switch is a hellish move

[plain belfry]

Honestly give me cosmog. My child

I mean they have Mimi and pyukumuku so already bonus points there

[dusty arrow]

i mean i have an entire propaganda poster for him from the previous addition of mons

[bleak summit]

XD I love that regice/wailord fusion

[dry cradle]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/AwIA7VtLmOFln5iIiB7h9-XYiT80SMm1BKH_IrdNw-w/https/media.tenor.com/b8GT0cOS46wAAAAe/minior-minior-pokemon.png

Me but with minior

[dusty arrow]

understandable

[plain belfry]

minior is a good one

[dusty arrow]

i mean minior is already in so good for you

[plain belfry]

Also glad we have rockruff, was my first shiny not counting the one given by heartgold

[dusty arrow]

minior has a lot of good fusions too

[plain belfry]

I need to look up more of the fusions tbh

[vestal root]

i read it like "me with a minor" 💀

[bleak summit]

Core form does, at least

[quaint vale]

Hoenn discussion? Is Hoenn coming to PIF?

[flat rose]

Chimecho my darling...

[gray stream]

No. ||I am evil.||

[oblique lotus]

flip it and reverse it pif is going to hoenn #announcements for more details

[atomic lagoon]

gen iii has so many good pokémon

dustox will be very good fusion material in terms of design

(it's also one of my favorite bug type pokémon)

[verbal summit]

Every once in a while I log back in to check on this game, and I could not have picked a better day! I am so proud of how very very far this project has come!

[pale flame]

Yeah it's kinda wild, huh?

[verbal summit]

It seems like only yesterday wild pokémon would select blank moveslots in battle and Professor Oak waited outside the entrance to Rock Tunnel to give you a random shiny instead of letting you inside.

[stoic sluice]

I still don't get a thing about there not be all the gen 3 mons in pif
But most of them be available in a new game by trading them.

Seems that it would be harmful for wariations and posabilitis of each fusions (and probably even affect some of the sprinters that wouldn't want to sprite them)

Would it be that harmful to add all gen 3 mons be possible to a brain in a wild in pif and not only some.

Maybe I talk about it to soon (becose game is not even in public beta) But still it sound a little bit sad.

Or can someone explain it to me if I don't get it?

[distant carbon]

I wonder if TEAM SKY will join team rainbow roka eg

[rain locust]

what if there was a third villain team for pokemon emerald who wanted to cover the world in hail

[tribal python]

@spice sage Is the new hoenn PIF update (Not PIF: Hoenn) going to also take up to 6 months? I was just wondering if the release dates will be the same or if one will come out earlier than the other

[full bison]

Well I guess we don't need to get annoyed at people begging to arbitrarily fill out the Gen 3 Dex anymore because it's actually happening and it's not arbitrary at all. I for one can't wait to see all the cool Claydol artifact Fusions

[true barn]

Ah I see now why I saw claydol and spheal in spritework

i was very confused

[full bison]

Claydol definitely seems like one of the most fun Pokemon out of the Gen 3 ones that weren't previously available to sprite. I definitely remember seeing a blue name or two hoping for it.

[rain locust]

https://tenor.com/view/blue-role-irrelevant-opinion-jjk-blip-roleist-gif-15416531392849771121

[full bison]

More bulky Ground types with stuff like Levitate and Rapid Spin could also be worth experimenting on for team building

It won't need to have the Psychic type either, which is a big plus lol

(though I do think it's one of the best candidates to get Psychic Surge, considering we still aren't getting Gen 8+...)

Either it or Chimecho

Probably Chimecho, it needs way more help than Claydol in the relevancy department

[clear lichen]

Simply wait for Tapu Lele frfr

[full bison]

I'd prefer to have an option that isn't A: an Ubers candidate and B: available in-game before the postgame

[clear lichen]

The terrain boosts are still 1.5× boost right?

Since their nerf was in Gen 8 and all

Yeah no Lele and Koko are fucking banned lmfao

[full bison]

Bulu might be on ban watch too considering it can be fused with Pokemon with actual Grass moves lol

[clear lichen]

I dont think Grass is the issue for Bulu

I'm thinking the issue is more so Fairy

The only physical fairy move may be trash

But it still would've been better to have it than to not

[full bison]

Either way it could be rectified with fusion

[clear lichen]

I like how they gave Play Rough to both special attacking Tapus

But neither of the physical ones

[full bison]

Koko at least has tolerable SpA for Dazzling Gleam but that's definitely not the preferential option if it had Play Rough available to it

[clear lichen]

To be fair if Koko goes physical it has to use Wild Charge as well

Wild Charge is Wild Charge

Physical attacking Electric/Fairy when there are no good physical Electric or Fairy moves is crazy

[full bison]

Maybe it could get Plasma Fists if Zeraora doesn't get added at any point soon

Just go all in OP

[clear lichen]

And they still managed to disappoint by not even giving it the Fairy move

[full bison]

I just realized that Lele could realistically be given Fleur Cannon from the Legendary Move Expert if it gets added before Magearna

Just imagine that insanity alongside the normal Lele insanity

[clear lichen]

Yknow on the bright wide Expanding Force doesn't exist yet

I cant type for shit

Wow

Wait I just realised that Expanding Force simply changes the Psychic Terrain boost to be the same as in Gen 7

Nevermind

There is 0 bright side

We are doomed

Well look at a different bright side

Rising Voltage doesn't exist either

[full bison]

Nor Grassy Glide

[clear lichen]

OK but Bulu getting Grassy Glide would be deserved after what Rillaboom did to it

[full bison]

Can't be given to Bulu to turn it into custom Rilla

Ok fair

[clear lichen]

Sadly Bulu will never get Grassy Glide since TPC is scared of giving Lele and Koko Expanding Force and Rising Voltage (to be fair, that's completely justified fear)

Well more so Gamefreak than TPC since they're the ones developing the game

Idk I just woke up my brain is still booting up

[full bison]

I also just realized that "every Hoenn Pokemon getting added" includes Relicanth. And I've been talking about drawing up a Relicanth/Rayquaza that has the Sky Pillar mural across it. Starting to regret talking about that.

So many details...

[clear lichen]

Relicanth remained unchanged for 100 000 000 years

That is because it is without flaw

[full bison]

A Relicanth/Rayquaza fusion with the Sky Pillar mural would've been fun to have for a Zinnia remix fight if trainers with Legendary Pokemon weren't apparently vetoed by Frog.

[clear lichen]

To be fair it is a bit strange to have someone pull up with a Genesect fusion on you

[full bison]

I mean, it would make sense for a Ghetsis fight

[clear lichen]

And Rayquaza is a lot stronger in lore, stats and viability than Genesect

[full bison]

But other than that yeah

Diancie for Diantha could also be made to make sense lorewise. Would probably make her actually memorable too lol

[clear lichen]

PIF Unova should just have Ghetsis pull up on you with the Tao Trio triple fusion

Screw balancing we ball

He fused the original dragon chat

[full bison]

I unironically think that would be the direction a hypothetical Unova Infinite Fusion game would take

[clear lichen]

That's like the only justifiable place for a character to use a box art legendary

Ghetsis already uses Kyurem-W/Kyurem-B

[full bison]

Ghetsis with Levitate Genesect/Hydreigon and the Original Dragon, just go full on insanity for the last fight

[clear lichen]

Speaking of Kyurem White and Black, it's still weird to me that the original fusions are unobtainable in IF

[full bison]

I mean, it makes sense that they were implemented the way they were

The Splicers are what made them to begin with, so...

[clear lichen]

I get that you can fuse Kyurem and Reshiram/Zekrom but it wouldn't have Kyurem-W/B's stats and are simply not Kyurem-W/B

[full bison]

I imagine trying to code something like that in would be a bit of a headache

Just these two specific fusions with different stats and moves

[clear lichen]

To be fair, doing so would justify a Pokemon with 760 BST

So with that in mind

Probably for the best

[full bison]

I do wonder what other Hoenn Pokemon could be made broken by the addition of all of them. Besides the obvious Medicham ofc

[clear lichen]

We obtain STAB Scrappy Boomburst from this

[next rune]

they gotta give us tropious on rout -1

[summer apex]

Swellow my beloved

[clear lichen]

Exploud too

[summer apex]

Anyway, you could probably pull some shit with skill swap / normalize and a ghost type pokemon

[clear lichen]

I'm pretty sure Normal/Flying can only pass on Flying though

[full bison]

I almost thought Crawdaunt could be broken cause Adaptability Water, but also that Speed stat is... 😬

[clear lichen]

So if you want STAB Scrappy Boomburst in one slot it has to be Exploud

[tough jacinth]

Question: do we know what pif hoenn is yet? Is it just the full gen 3 dex being added? A new game? The region added to the existing game?

[clear lichen]

And Exploud is pretty slow

[full bison]

I feel like having nothing but high Attack is the absolute worst stat distribution you can have in this besides being bad at everything

Cause you don't want to make a Pokemon with nothing but Attack the head cause its attack is reduced to a third, but it doesn't work as a body cause it's too slow and frail

[clear lichen]

Simply click banded attack and don't think about it fr

Surely

Crawdaunt learns Dragon Dance I think

I could be wrong though

That could help

[full bison]

It does

Don't understand how a lobster gets that but hey I guess I'll take it

[summer apex]

It's a dex expansion AND a new game

Hoenn is not being added to the current game

[tough jacinth]

Damm

Yeah i didnt think so

Pokemon transfer between games would be cool but i have no idea how or if thatd be possible

[full bison]

An entire new game with its own region while Olivine and Cianwood are still gone is hilarious to me. I know why they're not around, but it's still funny to me

[summer apex]

The dev has expressed that there are plans to do something with Olivine and Cianwood... eventually

I wouldn't be surprised if we see them before PIF Hoenn

[grave jolt]

Lords the more sprites I see the more excited I get

[full bison]

Also the anniversary came and went and I just procrastinated past my deadline for making my Birthday cake fusion. I feel like I'm in school again.

Part of me is a little sad that all the remaining Hoeen Pokemon getting added means we're not getting UBs this year, but I won't complain that much about over 60 new Pokemon being added at once. Especially considering Claydol and Manectric were on my wishlist.

[lofty spindle]

Well then, with Hoenn on the Horizons, that means one thing for certain.

The return of that one Archie/Maxie fusion sprite someone made here that I still think makes them look like the ultimate hipster!

[full bison]

Maybe Team Aqua will actually regularly use Water types that aren't just Carvanha now lol

An Episode Delta type thing would be neat too, though I'm not sure how likely that would be

[placid plover]

Wait Hoenn is getting added to infinite fun fest?

[full bison]

Whole new game being made

With cross compatibility

Funny enough its apparently using the same version of Poke Essentials, so still no Galar or Paldea

(how long until people start begging for the Hoenn game to have Sinnoh as a second region, you think?)

[unkempt stone]

Of absolutely everything

The last thing I expected was a sequel

[full bison]

I was expecting another "we're adding 50 new Pokemon from various regions" thing, not a whole new game with a whole new region and 61 new Pokemon.

Part of me wants to expect another event of adding even more Pokemon besides the Hoenn Dex, but that feels more than a little entitled of me to ask in addition to everything else

So I'll just be happy with Manectric, Masquerain, and Claydol

[torn crane]

Can go kangashkan noivern

[clear lichen]

Yes, but that takes both slots

Exploud offers both in one

[placid plover]

I love Hoenn, prob my fav region (mostly cause I played it too much).

[full bison]

I forgot Exploud even got Scrappy. I guess that's mostly cause it's not an ability that appears on that many memorable Pokemon

[clear lichen]

Exploud's singular purpose is to click STAB Scrappy Boomburst in lower tiers

[full bison]

I mostly just remember it on Mega Lop, who was genuinely kinda scary with it. But hey, no Megas in this, so

[clear lichen]

Unless it is running Soundproof for the Exploud mirror

It serves 0 purpose outside of this

That's why it's memorable

[torn crane]

Personally I like type changing boomburst

[placid plover]

Only small add-on I would love is the ability to choose protagonist between all Gens.

I know you can modify the files directly.

[clear lichen]

There is a grand total of 1 Pokemon with a type changing ability

Being Sylveon

[full bison]

Aurorus

But that's not super relevant, so eh

[clear lichen]

In my defence Aurorus is kinda terrible

[torn crane]

The recent costumes can Alrdy do this I think

[clear lichen]

So I forgot

Also when I think Aurorus I think Snow Warning, not Refridgerate

Alolem may never be added, and same goes for the 2 Megas

[full bison]

I do really wish something like Rotom got Galvanize to spread that play style out a bit more

[clear lichen]

Not to mention that out of the 3 only 1 of them only has a good Special Attack stat

[full bison]

Same with Aerilate, but I have no idea what Pokemon would get that

[clear lichen]

So many Flying types need Aerilate

Since Gamefreak does not like distributing Brave Bird

And in same cases even Hurricane

[full bison]

Sure, but what one would realistically get it, going by Frog's prerequisite of the Pokemon only having one ability?

[clear lichen]

Thundurus has to run fucking Air Slash for Flying STAB

And do jackshit for damage

[placid plover]

Hummm maybe, just started playing infinite fusion again on my phone so going slow.

[clear lichen]

Damn nvm

Thundurus doesn't even get Air Slash

What the fuck

They really need to distribute Flying moves more

[full bison]

Lando is basically the only genie with a diverse offensive moveset lol

[clear lichen]

Thundurus' only flying STAB that uses its SpA

Is fuckinf

HIDDEN POWER

HIDDEN FUCKING POWER

!!!!!

The genies are probably the worst case of Flying types not getting Flying moves

But don't worry! They get U-Turn!!

[full bison]

Man the genies would be simultaneously the lamest and funniest additions to the game

[clear lichen]

Because every Flying type needs U-Turn

[full bison]

Imagine the triple lol

[clear lichen]

Genies are terrible for casual players

But for competitive players?

Well actually tbf you're now giving Lando-T physical flying STAB

So on second thought

Maybe it's still terrible

But generally Lando-T is a healthy presence in the metagame I feel

Even if it is everywhere

[bitter comet]

How did I miss this for so long?

Anyways we get the silly hyenas

I’m happy

[torn crane]

I love silly hyena

[bitter comet]

It also means we get this https://discord.com/channels/302153478556352513/1228418864564404255

I have been waiting for it for a long time

[torn crane]

That looks like something team aqua

Gonna use

[bitter comet]

That kinda look like something they might use you’re right

I’m gonna use it back at them then

[full bison]

I was mostly neutral towards most of the remaining Hoenn Pokemon TBH, but I'm super excited about Manectric, Claydol, Masquerain, and kinda Shiftry. Also 61 new additions is crazy either way.

[bitter comet]

Yeah i’m also kind of excited about Shiftry

[full bison]

(even if two of them are Plusle and Minun who are basically the exact same thing lol)

[bitter comet]

I keep forgetting about that Mon

[bitter comet]

But I think it has fusion potential

Wait, wrong message

I was supposed to be replying to my own

Those two do not have fusion potential

[full bison]

The most fusion potential of Plusle and Minun is with each other into a sad looking neutral charged one

[clear lichen]

I, John Monomoth, am pleased with the addition of 2 more moths

Masquerain more so than Dustox because bro when am I gonna utilise Dustox it has 0 redeeming qualities

[full bison]

Dustox and Beautifly can give us some pretty looking patterns, but I'll never use them lol

[bitter comet]

Same

There are other, better bugs

[clear lichen]

Beautifly is marginally better than Butterfree because idk prettier

Dustox is worse than Venomoth because one is actually usable and the other is Dustox

[bitter comet]

Venomoth also has the advantage of being more pretty than Dustox(at least in my opinion)

[clear lichen]

Tinted Lens + Quiver Dance ♥️

[full bison]

Venomoth is super underrated in IF IMO. I guess most of that is cause Volc steals most of the spotlight, but Tinted Lens QD is super fun to mess with

[clear lichen]

Volcarona is almost certainly better but Venomoth does have the better ability

That's literally all it has over Volcarona though

[full bison]

Alakazam/Venomoth was the MVP of my Kanto Only run

[clear lichen]

Ig better defensive type, with Volcarona having the better offensive type

[bitter comet]

Wait, question. Is the exploud line in this gen?

Cause I cannot remember if it is or not

[clear lichen]

Yes, it is Gen 3

[full bison]

Yes

[clear lichen]

Scrappy Boomburst upon ye

[bitter comet]

Cool

I honestly think that line(especially the final Evo) has good fusion potential

I also think the round seal might be in this generation

[clear lichen]

If it can pass down Scrappy STAB Boomburst it is worth something

[full bison]

Pipe organ fusions will be neat

[bitter comet]

Although round seal might be in Gen 4

I can’t remember

[clear lichen]

Round Seal is Gen 3

[bitter comet]

Walrain fusions will be fire

Just you wait

[clear lichen]

The better Pinniped has arrived

[full bison]

Ice Body makes you immune to Hail without the Ice type, right?

[clear lichen]

Not that the competition is fierce

It's

It's Dewgong

[full bison]

Cause I might use that as a backbone for a Hail team

[clear lichen]

Why is Dewgong even called dewgong when it is more of a pinniped than a dugong

[full bison]

I've been wanting to do a Hail team, but that requires using Ice types

[clear lichen]

At least that's the vibe I get from it

Idk maybe because its prevo is named fucking seel

[full bison]

And we still don't have Slush Rush so my motive for making Hail teams is kinda low

[clear lichen]

Idk I guess it can evolve into a complete different species tbf

[full bison]

We do have woodpeckers becoming toucans and clams becoming eels, so...

[bitter comet]

Wait, am I reading the wrong thing?

I get the feeling that I am from that ? Emoji

Apologies for the stupidity. It is getting late and my brain is turning into mush lol

[clear lichen]

No you aren't

I'm just questioning how you thought Hariyama was Gen 7

That's like 4 generations off

[torn crane]

Hariyama is used by the gym leader

Or whatever they're callled

[bitter comet]

I have no fucking clue

[clear lichen]

OK but doesn't Brawly literally use Makuhita

[torn crane]

No no the gym leader in gen7

[full bison]

Just checked a bit of the Spritework channel and someone has already made a cursed Mr. Mime fusion using Claydol as a component. Because of course.

[clear lichen]

Hala using Hariyama is cool and all but Brawly did it first

[full bison]

Gen 7 didn't have gym leaders

[ember bear]

island kahunas

[torn crane]

Forgot their names

[ember bear]

ig

[bitter comet]

I’m glad we get the celestial rocks

[torn crane]

It's been 12 years

[bitter comet]

(Cannot remember their names)

[ember bear]

surely it hasn't been that long since gen 7 right?

ha ha...

[bitter comet]

I feel old now

That was my first Pokémon game generation

[ember bear]

ok sm only released 9 years ago

[bitter comet]

Man

That’s only one year away from 10 years

I still feel old

[snow scroll]

9 years??

time sure flies

[clear lichen]

Got into Pokemon before Gen 7, but those games were the first I actually was able to play since I did not have a nintendo console back then

[full bison]

I still want another game to feature Ultra Beasts. Those were one of the coolest things Gamefreak added to these games

[clear lichen]

Based

[bitter comet]

Yeah

[full bison]

Just completely flipping the script on what a Pokemon was allowed to look like

[snow scroll]

gen 7 felt so magical tbh

[bitter comet]

And I can’t wait for this game to add the ultra beasts

[full bison]

Some of the absolute best designs

[snow scroll]

I have lots of fond memories of SM and USUM

compared to XY, which I've forgotten most of

[bitter comet]

Man, I loved the wormhole mini game

[torn crane]

I got demolished by ribombee, pain memory only

[snow scroll]

god that was hell to navigate

[bitter comet]

Yeah

But it was fun

[snow scroll]

the turning speed was so slow 😭

[bitter comet]

Really?

I remember it being fast?

[full bison]

Now I'm just getting back into my vain hope that Frog will decide to add more Pokemon besides the 61 getting added and I need to stop myself from these unrealistic expectations

[snow scroll]

maybe it was just my timing

but I recall not being able to steer clear of the wormholes/obstacles in time

[full bison]

Ultra Ruin was genuinely one of the most shocking things in a Pokemon game

[ember bear]

happened when you didn't have built enough speed

[bitter comet]

I remember missing all my destinations lol

[full bison]

Who would have ever expected Pokemon to show off a post apocalyptic wasteland

[clear lichen]

A game centered around the UBs would be so peak

[snow scroll]

an alternate reality, too

[clear lichen]

Like getting to fully explore their dimensions instead of the small amount we are allowed to explore

[snow scroll]

I remember being so confused the first time going into kartana's world

[clear lichen]

And yknow what fuck it throw in even more UBs too

[snow scroll]

and seeing flesh-and-blood people there

[clear lichen]

I want to see UB starter trio with Poipole as one

Pls gamefreak that'd be so cool

[full bison]

Poison-Grass-Ground is a viable trio

[clear lichen]

Anyways copium aside

[ember bear]

how would a trio work with a poison dragon

[clear lichen]

Everything is dragon now I guess

[snow scroll]

^

dragon everything

[clear lichen]

Either that or abandon the type equality

I mean it wouldn't be the first time

[unkempt stone]

I remember a type thing someone threw out is that just

[ember bear]

fair ig

[snow scroll]

you could just go for x1 affinity all around

[unkempt stone]

None of the types they have would interact with each other

Every Starter is neutral to each other

[snow scroll]

no one does more damage to each other than any other

[clear lichen]

Also works

[full bison]

Poison Dragon, Ground Steel, Grass Fire would work as a decent starter trio including Naganadel

[snow scroll]

that's what I thought

[clear lichen]

Sadly this is all just copium

[snow scroll]

alternatively, resistances

[clear lichen]

It isn't happening :(

[snow scroll]

just make them resist each other, but deal no supereffective damage

[clear lichen]

Grass Fire would get the short end of the stick though, since the Ground starter would be dealing neutral damage vs it

[full bison]

Didn't stop them with Empoleon I guess

[gray stream]

finished my collab with pip

[clear lichen]

True annnd... yeah, that's pretty true.

[elfin forge]

Do you think they’ll pull a Johto and make Sinnoh an accessible region in the post game?

[clear lichen]

No, because Hoenn and Sinnoh were never directly connected

While you could go to Kanto in the Johto games

[elfin forge]

Fair enough

Just thought it’d be cool

[full bison]

And now I'm getting my hopes up about the sequel having a Battle Frontier

Could just be wishful thinking born of my frustration at Gamefreak refusing to add it themselves despite how competitive builds are more accessible than ever cause "those dang kids and their smartphones," but that won't stop the coping

[elfin forge]

They have no excuse at this point. The Blueberry Academy was all about battling, yet they still didn’t make a battle facility there. I’m not particularly fussed about them not making one but I understand your anger

[full bison]

I just realized something heartbreaking

All Hoenn Pokemon getting added means Volbeat's getting added

Volbeat getting added means no more Tail Glow at the Move Expert

So now Ampharos can't learn Tail Glow anymore

[hexed agate]

That might change, given that there's 2 games

There's a chance we get 2 move experts

[trail hull]

Spgen 2 is back

With a new name

[humble lance]

throws this in here too

[toxic flame]

will infinite fusion 2 use emerald or ruby saphire story or is it not known yet?

[finite reef]

This is gonna be fun for competitive

[toxic flame]

i just be happy if the battle frontier gets added

[hexed agate]

That's definitely something I want as well!

[trail hull]

Boy, we were wrong

[hexed agate]

I love lying

[toxic flame]

imagine if they cook new modes that wasnt even in the in normal emerald. it would be fire if there is sth like oregon trail where you decide what pokemon to choose in the beginning and you have to decide if you want items or new pokemon and there are events where you get robbed or have to change to a more difficult route to get to the frontier head

[sturdy frost]

Thats like, a whole different game, not quite what I would call a mode

[ocean lark]

will the game add pokemon contest

[tropic dew]

Would actually be kinda cool, tbh.

I dunno how difficult it would be to implement, but for me personally, Secret Bases in PIF: Hoenn would be amazing.

[agile olive]

Secret bases are implemented as a mod for current Essentials, not sure if it can be backported. Contests I think used to work in an older version of Essentials, that's much more complicated though

[tropic dew]

Mm.

Well, it'll still be interesting to see just how much the plot of PIF: Hoenn will diverge from RSE, as well as what, if any elements from ORAS might make it into the game, and so on.

Like... I could see a fusion of both Emerald and ORAS in terms of story, right down to a variation on the Delta Episode where, instead of feeding a Meteor to Rayquaza to make it Mega Evolve, you Triple Fuse it with Groudon and Kyogre in order to make something strong enough to destroy the giant meteor threatening to smash into Hoenn.

[trail hull]

Thank you so much frog for trying to make hoenn and giving us 64 new pokemon at once

[tropic dew]

yee

[trail hull]

also I have this fun meme

frog when we it's been a while since we're at 50% completion

https://tenor.com/view/not-on-my-watch-no-gif-5557779

[hexed agate]

music mode

[tropic dew]

Something just occurred to me. With May and Brendan, their faces are rounder and their body shape is a lot more... spindly? Like you can tell they're designed to be cuter, or at the very least younger looking than Red.

That, and it could conceivably be MUCH easier to mash together a very androgynous base sprite from one or both of them, as far as character customization goes.

[trail hull]

even if it is the plot of emerald I want them to use the oras design

like archie and maxie are so awesome

[tropic dew]

I mean, I could see them using the ORAS designs for Team Aqua and Magma but in Sprite form, but certain elements of some ORAS costumes would be REALLY difficult to implement, such as ORAS Brendan's hat with the Pokeball design being composed of four smaller individual strips instead of a simpler PokeBall design.

it wouldn't show up well at all, given the usual resolution of old 2D pokemon games

[trail hull]

I just want it for team aqua and magma

[tropic dew]

same

[trail hull]

at this point I think we're getting new mon yearly

so i've used a calculator to get the average of mon we get per year

according this to the calculator we get an average of 50 new mon per year (it's a bit scuffed because we literally have only 3 datas to go off from)

we reached 565 pokemons , and the last gen 7 pokemon (melmetal ) is 809 but we have to add the forms so + meloetta pirouette + ultra necrozma + 3 oricorio forms + 3 castform forms + 1 lycanroc + 1 minior form , which gives us 820 pokemons. 865-255 = 255
We have 255 mons left to add and if we keep this average of pokemons we will have them all in 5,1 years

Last year I asummed we would get 30 mons a year which would mean it would take 10 years to get every mons but now with this averag it would only take 5 more

[tropic dew]

The math sounds like it checks out

That being said, I imagine we're going to probably see that slow down, since I would assume a good chunk of dev time for PIF: Hoenn would be focused on map building and storycrafting, since it will share most, if not all of the same building blocks as the original game.

[scarlet pebble]

wow hoenn

real nice

I already made a wooper

so yeah you can give me the ability adaptability

[true elbow]

I just realized there will still be Hoenn forms missing for Deoxys

[median pivot]

Wait are we getting Hoenn in this?

Holy cow that's neat

[scarlet pebble]

no\

it will be another game

[spice sage]

There will be new base PIF updates before that for sure, but the one with the Hoenn mons will be around the time that the new game's demo is released

[full bison]

Part of me was expecting to see maybe the beginning of a "more Pokemon are being added-" type of event, but I certainly wasn't expecting 61 Pokemon getting added at the same time (treating Castform as 1 Pokemon in spite of taking 4 slots)

[scarlet pebble]

Ah while youre here, I also dmd you about it but its regarding the pif debug item, will it contain the new pokemon or are the new pokemon locked to just hoenn (beside the transferable fact)

[spice sage]

Ah yes, sorry I've been getting a lot of dms hahah. Once the Pokémon are added they should be available through debug mode and randomizer in base PIF too, just like any other mon

[scarlet pebble]

alright thanks for clarifying, might be useful to pin this answer so people wont have to ask in the future maybe?

[rancid nymph]

Bold of you to assume people read the pins

[trail hull]

oh hi frog

thank you for releasing hoeen as a sequel

the joke became a reality

if you are still here may I ask a question about the type of the new mons?

[full bison]

So... How long before people start begging for more Pokemon to be added to the sequel/update despite already adding more than the previous two, you think?

[vocal pivot]

Respect for adding my boys Walrein and Tropius

[full bison]

Walrein, Claydol, Manectric and Shiftry will definitely be fun additions

[vocal pivot]

I forgot Claydol

[trail hull]

I'd give it a week

[full bison]

I think my only complaint with the Pokemon being added is that it means Plusle, Minun, Volbeat and Illumise are having their existence acknowledged

[tacit saddle]

tomorrow

[trail hull]

also would you guys be interested in joinin rainbow rocket

[tacit saddle]

the hoenn pika clones are gonna be nightmares for spriters...

[tropic dew]

inb4 someone asks if we're gonna have Sinnoh playable alongside Hoenn in the sequel

[trail hull]

no for bodiesyou just swap a couple pixels

[vocal pivot]

Those last two at least have a use when fusing

[full bison]

"here, spriters, find ways to differentiate these two Pokemon with completely identical bodies."

[vocal pivot]

Prankster bug type with baton pass and tail glow

[tacit saddle]

twin pokemon

Wrong emoji ffs

too lazy to fix it

[full bison]

At least they're not the Lake Trio, but they're definitely still extremely annoying

[tacit saddle]

have rage comic 🫴

[tacit saddle]

actually i feel like the lake trio might be easier, they have differentiating features

(at least from my memory)

[vocal pivot]

That gave me an idea

[tacit saddle]

plus/min are just recolors of each other

[full bison]

I stand by my idea of a Plusle/Minun fusion that just gets a neutral charge due to the positive and negative charges cancelling out and getting sad about that is peak fusion potential for those 2

[trail hull]

guys , since pif hoenn will feature every mon from pif kanto , that means that already have of the fusions will be finished

[tacit saddle]

i was literally making a joke sprite that was a mightyena

[elfin forge]

Probably the cheeks

[tacit saddle]

(absol/lycanroc)

it used mightyena as a base

Intelligence!!

[full bison]

The cheeks feel like more of a head detail from my perspective, but I guess there's not a lot of other options, so...

[elfin forge]

The tail too

[vocal pivot]

Since they're twins, they can get fusions that are also twins

BAU BAU

[full bison]

I think what's got my curiosity piqued the most is what potential direction the plot will take. Especially considering the updates ORAS made to the Villain teams motivation wise as well as the Episode Delta stuff

I am hoping Zinnia shows up, if only for her amazing theme

[tropic dew]

I touched upon that earlier. It would be interesting, on the assumption the plot goes in a direction similar to the Delta Episode, that rather than feeding a Meteorite to Rayquaza to Mega Evolve it, we triple fuse it with Groudon and Kyogre to create a beast strong enough to destroy the oncoming meteor before it splats Hoenn.

and maybe have a Bit where Archie and/or Maxie try to coin the phenomenon as "Delta Fusion" before someone pipes in that its been done in Kanto and was just called Triple Fusion.

and they insist upon calling it Delta Fusion because it sounds better/cooler.

[severe spear]

triple fusion is old news let's go quad fusion

[tropic dew]

oh god please no

[vocal pivot]

📹

[full bison]

What would even work for Quad Fusion? The only candidates are the Swords of Justice and the Tapus

[tropic dew]

Trios and their "Master"?

Like not just the Legendary Birds but also Lugia

or the Legendary Beasts and also Ho-Oh

or Regirock, Regice, Registeel, and Regigigas

[full bison]

X16 Fighting weakness let's gooo

[tropic dew]

or if you wanna go to some CRAZY places, Palkia, Dialga, Giratina AND Arceus.

[vocal pivot]

Mf will die from a fist bump

[tropic dew]

lel

[zenith summit]

From my understanding, due to engine limitations the game could only handle a certain amount of pokemon sprites or something similar, was there an improvement to the system that allows more pokemon?

[severe spear]

yeah it was solved, they can have a lot more sprites now

[zenith summit]

wooooooooo

[trail hull]

basically before 2 years ago each fusion counted as a pokemon so like stats and all but now the mon are made on the fly meaning that they are made of bunch of calculations which means that technically we only have 501 mons (currently). the game didn't support beyong 420*420 pokemons but since the fusion doesn't count as mon anymore that's why we can have new mons

[hollow creek]

I imagine someone has already asked this, but im assuming PIF Hoenn will also have remix mode right?

[molten loom]

What if we triple fuse the castform forms to get sandstorm form /s

[inland jewel]

Remix is made by a different team

So on release it won’t be out unless the Remix teams have access to the files now

Which isn’t likely since the game is still in active development

[sturdy frost]

I wouldnt see a reason to release with remix either.
it was introduced for replayability reasons after "classic" had been in the game for years already and was thus getting stale for many people that had been with the project all that time.
on hoenn release, that "classic" will be fresh for everyone.

I rather focus on polishing a narrow spectrum of features, than an insanely wide spectrum right of the bat.

[eternal belfry]

I cant wait to join the best team in hoenn. Team magma.

[proud lion]

#1364612812680200233

[silk cobalt]

norman's linoone/slaking with belly drum 👀

[merry condor]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-hell-nah-no-no-thank-you-gif-5556407309512400852

[molten loom]

Norman gets a medicham fusion with slaking instead

[idle rune]

LETS GOOOOO

[orchid flume]

Nah, it'll be a big silly dizzy bear-sloth, the fabled, Spinking.

[molten loom]

Wally could catch a ralts self fusion, and at the victory road have gardevoir/gallade

[bleak summit]

Oh glob, Norman

[full bison]

Team Aqua will finally actually use Water types regularly

[molten loom]

What are the chances one of the trainers in Norman's gym gets a normal ghost shedinja

[full bison]

Considering it took until the postgame of the original game for a one weakness Shedinja fusion to show up, I wouldn't bet on it.

[molten loom]

But also this is gen 3 where shedinja came from

[full bison]

Even in Remix, where that's less of a concern and the rival uses one, it still takes an incredibly long time for him to pull that one out

[molten loom]

Maybe in the one-hit ko room

Maybe give it double edge just to be funny

[fiery elbow]

I'm finally glad one of my fav pokemon (Seviper) finally in PIF in some form or another!

[trail hull]

It's in PIF for real now

so many people got their favorite

[molten loom]

Hear me out, plusle + minun + mimikyu triple fuse

And they fuse into a regular pikachu

[sour shale]

crazy

[full bison]

The fact that someone already made a cursed Mr. Mime fusion using Claydol is insane to me. Guy's just not allowed to have too many non-cursed fusions.

[bleak summit]

Makes sense. People really seem to find the mime disturbing

[full bison]

The only times I ever found Mr. Mime creepy were in it's Red/Green sprite (which isn't fair because like 50% of those are cursed as well and you don't see Mew getting any of that) and in the XY 3D model which I guess is a bit uncanny. Otherwise it's just a silly clown.

Really starting to regret having said this, especially considering I'm still sitting on two designs I've been procrastinating on...

[bleak summit]

Well, you need 3 fusions to get spriter role

[full bison]

I'm not spriting tho

I just draw stuff

Two of them have been sprited so far with a third one having been claimed a while back

[silk cobalt]

plz

zangoose fusions fuck yeaaa

[full bison]

Zangoose and Seviper give us so many fun patterns to work with

[celest pelican]

Do yall think we will get secret bases and special infinite fusion plushies to fill our base with.

[grizzled roost]

After seen the teaser for PIF:Hoenn. I thought on a interesting way to make multiple playthrough interesting with the "Join Team Rocket" style quest that change the playthrough:
Since Magma and Aqua on the original games where the vilains/heroes on the two versions with Emerald making them both vilains.

1. If you dont join team Magma or Aqua -> you follow the Emerald plotline with Awakening Rayquaza first and later catching Kyogre and Groudon in postgame
2. if you join team Magma -> you follow the Sapphire plotline but you get Groudon to fight Kyorge and later can grab Kyogre and Rayquaza
3. if you joint team Aqua -> you follow the Ruby plotline but get Kyogre to fight Groudon and later grab Groudon and Rayquaza.

I dont know how complicated it can be, but it would be fun for multiple playthroughs.

[slim otter]

It is a shame that you are not already a member of Team Rainbow Rocket, given your interest in our activities.

Perhaps you are one of the many who has missed the method of signing on.

All in this server are invited to join Team Rainbow Rocket by using the join-team-galactic command.

[thorny nebula]

An invitation straight from the boss? Truly an honor

[fleet quail]

https://discord.com/channels/302153478556352513/1138610360295903273
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1138610360295903273/1138610360484642886/Claydol_Variant_1.png?ex=680a1c48&is=6808cac8&hm=0a85a65f42687452de1af7d6f61cfeb89f965de3e3338d648b8597eac8f6fad3&
This old concept I made here is viable for a Slurpuff fusion now

[trail hull]

so many mons all at once is crazy

[hexed agate]

🎺

🎺🎺🎺🎺🎺

[trail hull]

this might mean the chat will be here for a while

[hexed agate]

^ Hoenn

[trail hull]

we're invading hoenn with our fusions

[turbid topaz]

Better question: what the heck is Norman going to use as his Ace?

[hexed agate]

Monke^2

[trail hull]

luvdisc is the hoeen mon with the most fusion

it still need to be fused with the new mos

at this point new mon is a yearly tradition

[turbid topaz]

Oh god, wait a minute... What if Norman has 1 Less Pokemon than before, but has a Linoone & Slaking Fusion?

[trail hull]

what is really funny is that classic mode will have randomly a lot of fusions in some places and almost none in others

I never witness the developpement of the old pif (as in the game before post game)

so I'm happy to see the new pif

[turbid topaz]

Belly Drum, Facade, Sucker Punch, Retaliate

[trail hull]

I already made a few hoenn pokemon fusion

[wide merlin]

but without truant

[turbid topaz]

That's a REMATCH Team difficulty, tbh

So I HOPE they give it Truant during the Base Game

Because otherwise, it'd be UNSTOPPABLE at that point in the game, even with Stall.

[gilded eagle]

https://tenor.com/view/funky-cat-gc-hi-hello-mightyena-pokemon-gif-2988531427636854116

[silk cobalt]

need new doc pinned

[hexed agate]

the FAQ?

[gilded eagle]

Mightyena joins YA dark types

[hexed agate]

on it

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BkCbkhgJ3_HEFp7Znx3N3WeOQCzqcRnRn-qZ0lhsHW0/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.elwvyjmdi9s7

[silent acorn]

Furfrou

[red pelican]

this is the light at the end of my tunnel

[silent acorn]

Cuz he fabulous

The most histerical ace for Norman is a Snorlax/Shedinja fusion

[weak trellis]

glad to know I was... 98% right on my dex # assumptions

might need to adjust a tiny bit for chingling tho

(assumed it'd be on the very end)

[hexed agate]

I asked for him not to be lost from Chimecho (though I'm sure Frog would never do that)

[silent acorn]

I just realized

My dream

Medicham pure power can be canon now

Also the most sus medicham fusion can finally enter the game

[weak trellis]

understandable considering the 382-419 block

oh yea we have another x2 attack mon, azumaril has competition.

[hexed agate]

but yeah, enjoy your physical Adaptability user

[weak trellis]

and also deepseatooth on clamperl for a similar relationship with pikachu and marowak

even if you can't stack huge power on that like you can with the other two

[hexed agate]

you can technically get flare boost or competitive on it

not reliable, but it's there

[full bison]

Flare Boost being only on Drifblim in the mainline games is so weird to think about.

The special equivalent of one of the strongest and most meta defining physical attacker abilities, and it's on a Mon that nobody talks about for its stats

Or really for anything that relates to competitive potential. It's a kidnapper and that's all it is in the eyes of most of the fandom

[weak trellis]

I remember someone tried teching it in a VGC a few years ago but I forget in what context

but alas such is the life of a Balloon mon

(high HP, mixed offenses, mediocre-to-bad speed and poor defenses)

[full bison]

At least there's Reshiram around to be the absolute best Pokemon for Flare Boost fusions as long as you don't use it as the body

[turbid topaz]

Hm... Oh wait, I just had a brilliantly cursed idea.

[gilded eagle]

i have to guess a slothking fairy type or ghost type fusion

his normal ace is slothking right(haven't played hoenn for a bit)

[full bison]

Norman's Slaking having a non-truant ability is a horrifying thought

Also I just realized: Juan, or Wallace as gym 8?

And by extension, Steven, or Wallace as champion?

[silk cobalt]

man, i do not like poochyena's gen 5 palette, oof

I'm going to go with Steven being the Champ since even in Emerald Wallace just shows up at the tail end while Steven has a lot more prevalence

Double Battle with both? 👀

[fair atlas]

https://www.tiktok.com/@siffrelot/video/7407188056354098464?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc

[full bison]

Wallace does have a lot of presence, but as a champion he really just isn't interesting.

Shout-out to ORAS for leaning fully into him being as fabulous as possible. Gave him a lot more personality when he was just kinda there in the originals

[grizzled roost]

maybe... I'm currently not in a very stable financial situation at the moment, but afterwards I might have the will to help out.
Thanks anyway.

[slim otter]

It takes no action on your part.
Your mere presence bolsters others' morale.

[quaint vale]

Omg is that the real Giovanni

[turbid topaz]

Juan as 8th, Steven as Champ, Wallace as the Travelling Champion (similar to Cynthia in PIF)

[turbid topaz]

It could be worse. It could be a Slaking and Drifblim Fusion with Belly Drum, abusing Unburden + Sitrus Berry to get a 110 Base Power Acrobatics

[molten loom]

what if frog does both

for the champ

and its a double battle

[severe spear]

steven/wallace fusion

[turbid topaz]

Hm... Pfft- I just had a Hilarious Idea that's even better than Doubles

Steven stays a Powerful Trainer, Wallace is the 8th Gym, and JUAN is the Champion.

[deft trout]

Or it's Blue again

Thats the real twist no one expects

[turbid topaz]

Be serious though: who expects JUAN to do anything?

[deft trout]

Juan is funne tho

[full bison]

Ok but the idea of Juan being a champion with that Double Team spamming Kingdra fused with something else to make it stronger is terrifying

I'm imagining a Hoenn equivalent of Koga's Chansey/Muk

[turbid topaz]

I can think of worse

Milotic/Kingdra with Toxic Stall (because lorewise, Juan taught Wallace everything he knows)

[full bison]

At least there's no Double Team on that set

[rain locust]

lol

[full bison]

Double Team with Water Spout sounds infuriating, thinking about it more

[weak trellis]

doesn't octillery also get moody or am I thinking of just remoraid

[full bison]

Cause the big counter to Water Spout is... Y'know, actually hitting the Pokemon that has it.

[rain locust]

it does

[weak trellis]

if you're gonna go that direction you could also run focus energy + scope lens with sniper

[rain locust]

naw drizzle + swift swim water spout is lethal

[umbral prism]

Everyone brainstorming the most evil fusions and teams for pifh makes me afraid

[full bison]

We're also getting Pelliper, so Rain is more accessible than ever

Rain with Tailwind, even

[umbral prism]

Although i agree that double battle champion would be peak

[weak trellis]

I mean it is IF you can make any battle a double (or triple) battle

[full bison]

All we're missing from making every weather team easily accessible at this point is Abomasnow or Vanilluxe

I know that Aurorus and Delibird get Snow Warning too

But A) they're hidden abilities

And B) they're Aurorus and Delibird

[turbid topaz]

Wait- You just gave me the Perfect Idea for Juan's Champion Lead

Politoed/Poliwrath with Drizzle

[molten loom]

Juan, Wallace, Steven triple battle

[turbid topaz]

Then he would switch INTO Octillery/Kingdra for a Swift Swim + Choice Specs Water Spout

[molten loom]

I think these teams are more for expert or remix

[weak trellis]

very much yea lol

especially expert since you can make sure you're faster with EVs

[tacit saddle]

[molten loom]

ORAS gave so many characters a glow up

[full bison]

If Wallace was the champion in this sequel, him having a rain team would make him way more interesting than he was in Emerald

[turbid topaz]

Hey Wallace, based on your knowledge, what is the Best Pokemon Fusion to pair with your Mentor Juan's Kingdra, while still being somewhat Fair and Balanced to be able to beat?

[tacit saddle]

Weedle

[turbid topaz]

...I'm being serious

[tacit saddle]

I dont know im tired 😔

[deft trout]

Kingdra with a Steel Type
Either Water Steel with double team or Dragon Steel

[knotty citrus]

I’m just really happy I finally get to use camerupt

[full bison]

Camerupt was never on my radar of Pokemon I really cared about adding, but now that I think about it it's the only camel Pokemon and also a volcano. So it's got way more potential than I realized.

[clear lichen]

I think you're overestimating Abomasnow and Vanilluxe here

[full bison]

Vanilluxe is at least better than the competition, even if not by much

[clear lichen]

Better than bad is still bad

Man, I wish Alolan Ninetales was able to be added

That'd be so peak

[knotty citrus]

True the alolan forms could be an awesome update

Alolan raichu could make some awesome surfing fusions

[clear lichen]

The issue is that iirc they've been confirmed to be never to be added

Due to issues with the one guess the pokemon minigame

[knotty citrus]

😭😭😭

[full bison]

I just wish Hail wasn't the objectively worst weather in this in terms of accessibility and general usage. Sure it's accurate to the mainline games, but I would like to have actual interesting synergizes appear

And so far the most interesting strategy I can think of is fusing an Ice Body Walrein with something that gets rid of its Ice type

[knotty citrus]

Yeah sandstorm outclasses it because more Pokémon can use it and the special defence boost for rock types

[clear lichen]

Give Slush Rush to Mamoswine over Snow Cloak fr

Reasoning is because Slush Rush is based and Snow Cloak is cringe

[full bison]

Slush Rush Mamoswine on its own sounds like a really powerful Mon.

[clear lichen]

Evasion boosting as a whole is cringe

[full bison]

Maybe even OU, but it's hard to say considering how high the bar for OU is nowadays

[knotty citrus]

Yeah screw evasion boosting slush rush is more fun and reliable

[full bison]

(imagine using this logic and replacing Garchomp's Sand Veil with Sand Rush lol)

[clear lichen]

Evasion boosting is so fucking stupid you're basically rolling the Dice and it's a 50/50 if you instantly win or instantly lose with 0 skill involved

[knotty citrus]

Also slush rush frostlass with 100% accurate blizzards sounds pretty scary to me

For more hail Pokémon

[clear lichen]

"Oh just use Aerial Ace" Mmm yes my 60 BP move will stop the opponent because that's such a damaging terrifying move

[full bison]

Froslass doesn't have the SpA to be scary offensively

[clear lichen]

That is definitely worth running

It certainly won't just do jack shit

[knotty citrus]

Really I thought it had more 🤔

[full bison]

80 lol

[clear lichen]

Unfortunately true

[knotty citrus]

Why can’t frostlass be better 😭

[clear lichen]

Froslass shares the same offensive stats as Glalie

[full bison]

Cause it's an Ice type made before Gen 8

[knotty citrus]

Good point lol

[clear lichen]

Ice types are either slow as molasses or hit like wet toilet paper

With a few exceptions

[full bison]

And those exceptions are all universally broken lol

Except Weavile who barely toes the line

[clear lichen]

Gamefreak is allergic to Ice types that actually use their type properly

It's crazy

[hexed agate]

Weavile and Chien-Pao are dark types with a hint of ice

[knotty citrus]

So true 😂😭

[full bison]

Triple Axel tho

[knotty citrus]

That’s the hint of ice

[hexed agate]

that's a move (and a hint of ice )

fun fact: besides Dragon, Ice has the highest HP on average

[full bison]

And hey, Legends ZA is most likely going to give Froslass a Mega, maybe they'll make her actually usable beyond the sacrifice play

[knotty citrus]

Half of them don’t use that hp at all

[crystal niche]

Can someone explain why there are so many non-if pokemon being posted in #1050404143807873157 ? I suspect it's because they will be added to this Hoenn version, but can I get a list of what new Pokemon will be in it?

[knotty citrus]

I always did find it weird there was a mega glalie and not a mega frostlass

[clear lichen]

Idk, both their Ice types are major helps to their kit

[hexed agate]

hint of ice

[clear lichen]

If you're a fast frail offensive Pokemon Ice is probably the best type you could be

There's not many types that are anywhere close to offensively strong as Ice

Definitely at least a top 3 offensive type imo

[crystal niche]

Ice types are better offensively than defensively, the problem is that too many have high defense, it's like making a shield out of glass

[clear lichen]

Yes, Gamefreak needs to stop making Ice types defensive

[full bison]

I'm still sad about how they ruined Frosmoth

[knotty citrus]

Yeah rock and ground are good but ice can just slam a lot of types

[clear lichen]

Speaking of Rock

A second good offensive type that isn't great defensively with primarily slow bulky Pokemon has hit the Pokemon cartridge

[full bison]

Frosmoth could have been cold Volc but instead tried to be a wall with the literal worst defensive type combo in the game

[knotty citrus]

Yeah snom and frost moth didn’t deserve what they got 💀

[clear lichen]

Though this time it doesn't even have good offensive moves

[crystal niche]

Maybe if they had some kind of ability that hits the enemy pokemon with an Ice-type attack when they make physical contact than it could be niche at the very least

[clear lichen]

Gamefreak may hate the Rock and Ice types not gonna lie

[knotty citrus]

Yeah Gamefreak needs to get they’re pokemon priorities right

[clear lichen]

When your Rock type's primary strategy is to instantly terastalise you know something is wrong

[knotty citrus]

We have enough fish we really do stop making water types

[full bison]

Thinking about it, maybe Gamefreak is scared about making special Ice types too good cause their best moves can freeze

[clear lichen]

Gee if only there was an alternative

[crystal niche]

Maybe

[clear lichen]

Maybe making it like

A special burn?

And call it Frostbite because that'd be cool

If only...

[knotty citrus]

Frostburn?

Or frostbite that would work better

[crystal niche]

At the very least hail could get a buff so it strengthens Ice types instead of ONLY not damaging them

[clear lichen]

Jokes aside they really should've added Frostbite from L:A to the mainline games

[crystal niche]

or giving more Pokemon snow cloak

[full bison]

No evasion stuff. Please.

[clear lichen]

Evasion boosting should be shot to death

[knotty citrus]

Yeah I would rather get rid of the evasion stuff, maybe slush rush instead

[clear lichen]

But I can't aim at it

So I can't :(

I have to roll the dice

And if I roll wrong

Well

Skill issue

I shouldve just been lucky

Fair game really

All skill

(Evasion is so fucking ass)

[crystal niche]

What if they gave a non-ice type snow cloak? they'd still be damaged but they'd get the evasion boost, so it's like a trade-off

[knotty citrus]

Make a fast hard hitting ski Pokémon with slush rush. Incredible new pokemon right there I’d use it on a team

[crystal niche]

I wonder what that would look like

I'm gonna try and design it

[knotty citrus]

@me when you do I want to see that

Maybe a reindeer Pokémon with like ice skis on its feet

[frosty patio]

Oh good there’s a chat for it

Would anyone else lowkey watch the hell out of an animated Infinite Fusion show after seeing the trailer?

[frosty patio]

Have you met bug?

[full bison]

Fr. At least Rock has Stealth Rock and Ice got a really solid buff with Snow

[crystal niche]

@knotty citrus I finished it (Ice/Normal)

[lunar knot]

beautiful

[knotty citrus]

It’s exactly what I was envisioning

That would go hard as an actual pokemon gamefreak needs to take notes

[frosty patio]

Gamefreak doesn’t take community feedback; luckily that’s why we’ve got infinite fusion 🤣

[knotty citrus]

Gotta love fan games

[frosty patio]

Truly the best thing, game studios would flourish if they’d just give some fans with programming skills a livable income

[lunar knot]

fan games > mainline games

[frosty patio]

Oh god yea

[knotty citrus]

Honestly true

[frosty patio]

Infinite fusion alone is better than anything pokemon has put out (Save maybe legends arceus) in the last decade tbh

[lunar knot]

facts

[frosty patio]

If insurgence wasn’t so edgy it would also probably be up there, same with pokemmo and even pixelmon for god sake haha

[knotty citrus]

I did enjoy insurgence a lot, I’m midway through uranium and I’m enjoying that

[frosty patio]

Uranium is also a really smooth game

[knotty citrus]

Holds up for how old it is

[frosty patio]

But it’s mindblowing to me that a studio making the money they are (most in gaming franchise history) can’t keep up with a handful of fans without a budget

Infinite fusions a special case because it has so much community content though

[knotty citrus]

Facts there

Hell there even coming out with sequels now

Their bringing hoenn in here

[frosty patio]

Yea and ngl assuming the development goes smoothly it should only open the door and smooth the process for more potential sequels

I would personally love to see one day an IF3 that takes place in either sinnoh or even a brand new region

[brazen echo]

You have 0 grunt points!

[frosty patio]

Not to mention if they somehow add Oblivia to the Hoenn map it would be bonkers

[knotty citrus]

Lmao

[rancid nymph]

Why Oblivia of all places?

[frosty patio]

Isn’t that the closest region to Hoenn?

Oh wait no it’s just near the other ranger regions nvm

[rancid nymph]

According to what?

[frosty patio]

Can we get a canonical map it’s been 25 years 😭

I’m ngl if Pokemon is ever gonna wanna beat fan games with the old formula they’re gonna need to put out a ‘Pokémon World’

[silk cobalt]

i presume they wont bc then itd be like putting themselves in a box

[full bison]

I mean, Pokemon regions are just various real world countries changed to be more fantastical, so that kinda gives us a map right there

Other than regions from the spinoffs, that is

Like the Pokemon Conquest region which is literally just the result of Arceus deciding to do the God equivalent of the Obama medal meme

[inland jewel]

The thing is if they do make a game where you can travel to all regions, they literally cannot top that

Any new game will be "So when are you adding the other regions to this game?"

[lucid oar]

and also, in my perspective, because every pokemon game is canonically its own universe, to me, only some of the regions exist in every game

because of the way the world developed, however that was

like, in the universe that your pokemon black save is in, only the Unova region exists, and any other region explicitly referenced there

[full bison]

The idea of a Pokemon multiverse was already made needlessly complex without the idea of certain regions just not existing in some of them.

[vocal pivot]

I could believe multiple planets

[quaint vale]

Guys I heard there is allegedly a sequel Hoenn game in the works for infinite fusion

[warm skiff]

nuh uh

[quaint vale]

It’s only speculation though

[rugged temple]

CLAAAAYYYYDOOOLLLLLLLLL

[rugged temple]

The majority of the profits for merch doesn't even go to gamefreak. Its paid to the manufacturers, Nintendo and PARTIALLY gamefreak

[frosty patio]

Then they should realistically make one that’s at LEAST the country containing Hoenn/Kanto/Johto/Sinnoh

[frosty patio]

That’s fair; though Nintendo can still bankroll them far more than they do

[rugged temple]

What, and spend more money on their cash cow?

It's all about PROFITS 💰💰💰💰

[frosty patio]

https://tenor.com/view/disney-quotes-walt-insipiration-gif-13429867

[rugged temple]

They KNOW a good portion of their employees are big fans of pokemon and have even paid them less than industry standards to trim off the expenses because "don't you LOVE this company?" is their mindset