pif-hoenn-discussion

[prime dust]

form variations partly kill the point of fusing [at least regional ones do]

and dusk is just too close in terms of sprite detail to the morning form

[proud lion]

To be fair, we COULD get that bonus mon for Christmas

Like last year with

https://tenor.com/view/addreoc-addreoc-jumpscare-gif-26050052

[fathom ridge]

idk it depends in if this channel gets closed soon

[inland jewel]

im just saying that they could be added when there is literally nothing else to add

like, the math that someone did where all mons from gens 3-7 will be in at least 10 years, like in year 10 it would be the forms

[tacit saddle]

so what about that new mon from events huh

[trail hull]

lol

[trail hull]

wow I didn't think peopel would remember that calculation I made

[prime dust]

that was me

and that was assuming 30 mons per year was the restriction and we'd never go past gen 7

[prime dust]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-bender-bender-bending-rodriguez-fry-philip-j-fry-gif-22941842

[rancid nymph]

I think you’re confusing slander with plagiarism

[prime dust]

possibly

double checking

[trail hull]

#pif-hoenn-discussion message

[prime dust]

nope, turns out I am the dingus

poke beat me by 2 months on that

[tacit saddle]

taking credit

[full bison]

I don't even know what could be added if Frog decided on a Christmas addition. We already got the trollmon for this batch

[fathom ridge]

Abomasnow or gogoat

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-angry-eating-mad-grumpy-gif-14328548

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/abomasnow-pokémon-abomasnow-blizzard-pokémon-blizzard-abomasnow-uses-blizzard-gif-26231712

[west sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/relicanth-gif-20464895

[dusty arrow]

imma be real

i dont wanna lose this channel again

its great

[dusty arrow]

abomasnow or xurkitree most likely

[fathom ridge]

I wonder when will the channel do the

[dusty arrow]

probably when the update comes out or a little before that if i had to guess

[shell orchid]

~ Next week sometime

[inland jewel]

that measn teh update is coming next week

[shell orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/tziros-og-wl-gif-25246632

6.4 is coming. (yes, skipping 6.3)

[fathom ridge]

Megaman leaking the release date

[shell orchid]

And also ||no more leaks ||

[hushed axle]

Megaman leaking it, time to nuke the channel

[fathom ridge]

Whoa I can’t believe you confirmed vikavolt for the next update

[bronze barn]

All the poipole brainrot...

[dusty arrow]

all of the

[tender plank]

all of my mad insane rambles about a fictional blue sea turtle...

[viscid fossil]

Nowhere else can I randomly post a spheal gif and nobody questions it

https://tenor.com/view/spheal-pokemon-here-comes-the-boi-boi-pouic-gif-22554922

[molten loom]

well, spriter general might not question it

[hushed axle]

I’ve seen people say spheal would be a bad inclusion but I lob himb

[tender plank]

i'm honestly shocked spheal isn't already in the game tbh

[outer matrix]

[velvet root]

All of my honest and dertimend fights for a Fictional Motor bike goat and the friends we made along the way

[outer matrix]

since spheal got an emoji, gogoat should get one as well

[trail hull]

I'm realy happy when a mon that is loved a lot in this chat gets added but at the same tiem sad cuz we don't talk about it as much

[tacit saddle]

the newest pokemon

[viscid fossil]

Knuckles' hair really looks like a very scerwed up hand

[dusty arrow]

thats fair

[full bison]

I can wait a couple months for this channel to come back to keep up my UB cope

[outer matrix]

in june

[bitter comet]

Hello there. Do you know what happens to you after this channel vanishes? Because it seems like you live here.

[dusty arrow]

i shall cease to be until i must come back for the next vote

[velvet root]

Absolutly

[dusty arrow]

and thus, the ice type magikarp cycle shall continue, until he gets added

[bitter comet]

Hopefully, next year you shall learn how to make head fusions for the ice type Magikarp

I need to see the head fusion potential

[velvet root]

Ngl a gigachad Gogoat to represent someone calling something Goated would be funny

[dusty arrow]

the main idea i have about the heads are kind of like eiscue

[bitter comet]

Machamp goat fusion sprite?

[alpine cairn]

I can’t wait for Minior to come out

[velvet root]

could work

[bitter comet]

Cool

[dusty arrow]

an idea ive suggested for a gogoat is the ice head of course with some ice type magikarp colorings (since yknow, head) and along the back would be kind of ice spikes, replacing the grass pelt, mane, and tail

[bitter comet]

Hmmm much interesting

I have no clue where that sticker came from

[bitter comet]

@velvet root are you willing to make this?

[velvet root]

idk tbh

[hushed axle]

How many gogoat sprites have you made in preparation

[outer matrix]

a dumb idea for a CC is to make a large block of ice as a "hat", and add in some transparency on purpose to truly have that ice type magikarp once the update rolls around

[dusty arrow]

a cross over between the two greatest factions in pif new pokemon discussion lmao

[dusty arrow]

this is.. acceptable

[velvet root]

I (not the rest of the team) have 55 Goats if I count skiddo and Gogoat and bases

[dusty arrow]

thats a lot of goats

[trail hull]

but in total we have 189 fusions

[velvet root]

I think we are at 10% completion with the Goats

[dusty arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/gogoat-gogoated-wait-i'm-goated-wait-i'm-gogoated-goat-gif-15463623129408200215

[hushed axle]

I love them

[velvet root]

Tbh im sure some Goats are missing in the sheets
#1213539303876206643 message

[dusty arrow]

thats a lot of goats
wait didnt i already say this

[velvet root]

Cant say it too much

We also got another UB Goat

#1316120963041198181

[hushed axle]

Okay but those go hard

[dusty arrow]

ok i love the bridge idea on that one

[hushed axle]

I’d do a full gogoat run

[velvet root]

Same

[tender plank]

probably same (if i actually played the game)

[velvet root]

Lemme check my top 5 from skiddos and Gogoats
(the ones I made)

Skiddos

[hushed axle]

Oh my god the amoura is adorable

[velvet root]

Gogoats

[hushed axle]

I need them

[velvet root]

Its even in a Animation with goats only

[queen grove]

It would be nice to have some of that delicious sap sipper.

[gray stream]

lost some of my goat files

[velvet root]

noooooooooooo

[gray stream]

its fine, they should be in the gallery mostly and ive posted some here

[velvet root]

Im sure we can find them again

[gray stream]

its just the sandslash and beldum i think

which i was pretty sure i made more, but if i did i posted them here so its fine

[velvet root]

Oh I forgot about the Beldum
Was a good one tbh

[gray stream]

ty

oh, found it

[velvet root]

Cant wait for Gogoat to release with 40% completion and us just loosing 20% of the sprites cuz some forgot to safe them XD

[gray stream]

have a furfrou, fellow furfrou enjoyers

[queen grove]

Nooooo! Don't lose da pretty artses!

[velvet root]

I never finished the second Goatdoku

btw here is the Cynda one with legs

[trail hull]

my poor winter prompt

[gray stream]

he grow leg

[outer matrix]

beyond gen 7, but

[velvet root]

Nah he just stood up

[gray stream]

o

[queen grove]

Hell yeah Alcremie.

[velvet root]

Really nice

[hushed axle]

Gogoat takeover frfr

[gray stream]

milk

[velvet root]

Yeah
We even got our own haters that send death threats

[queen grove]

I'll always love Malamar, but I could get on board with team Gogoat.

[gray stream]

death threats?

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/tomascore-goat-rain-horse-sad-horse-girl-gif-17595095308822873447

[trail hull]

Oh I forgot abotu the death threats

[hushed axle]

Bruh why

[velvet root]

One of our main artists made a fusion of them

[hushed axle]

It’s a fangame

[outer matrix]

why death threats

[bitter comet]

Wha-

[queen grove]

Oh jeez, I'm hoping this is a joke, any luck I'm right?

[bitter comet]

When death threats?

[gray stream]

apparently team goated got some, didnt even know even tho im a member

[bitter comet]

Same

[tender plank]

i agree with this, literally why? it's just goats. literally nothing to be so vile over.

[velvet root]

Cuz they hate Gogoat a lot i think
Lucky that I got them
On one side cuz im used to it
on the other I dont want my precious team to be treated badly or called bad shit

[queen grove]

Yeah that's horrible...

[clear lichen]

Gogoat hate is cringe

[velvet root]

Yeah some haters overdo it

[queen grove]

I guess something really got their goat.

[bitter comet]

May I suggest Christmas tree gogoat for winter?

I’m not sure what you would use but

[clear lichen]

Mostly when it involves death threats

[velvet root]

I think we have a Aboma/Gogoat somewhere

[gray stream]

trevenant with snowy alt, or abomasnow for non-if

[tender plank]

what is there to hate anyways about goats?

[gray stream]

oh, already done

[bitter comet]

Ah

[queen grove]

Haters are silly.

[clear lichen]

They probably despise Avalugg too

[velvet root]

Rayzard did

[bitter comet]

I don’t really have any ideas then

[tender plank]

anyways somehow this reminds me that i have not been consistent with my weekly tirtougas
i need to get back on that

[bitter comet]

Damn, that’s a cool sprite

[tender plank]

guys give me touga ideas

[queen grove]

That's pretty sweet.

[bitter comet]

Maybe glowing Christmas lights?

Maybe a fusion with that ultra beast?

[velvet root]

Sadly still a WIP I think

[bitter comet]

Le creature✨✨✨

[gray stream]

xurkitree has been made

[inland jewel]

Now hate for certain mons can come from a variety of things

[bitter comet]

Ah

Then I truly have no ideas lol

[velvet root]

I did a handfull of fully non if Goats too

[trail hull]

gogats is the icon of non-if in if discord

[queen grove]

All great work. 🙂

[inland jewel]

A personal example is that I have a dislike for Spheal do to how rampant propaganda of it was blasted everywhere

[bitter comet]

I remember seeing this skido carbink fusion that was an utterly adorable thing

I believe it was in a loaf

[trail hull]

yet after 2 years it did not come

[velvet root]

I mainly Dislike Marshadow but I wouldnt do more than some jokes about it

[inland jewel]

To that I say good, like I was done for it in year 1

[inland jewel]

But then year 2 soured the Mon for me

[bitter comet]

The silly

[queen grove]

I feel like even if I did hate (whatever pokemon), why would I sprew that into a fan game server? XD

[velvet root]

Cuz of the Votes

[gray stream]

makes sense. have a ball so you can cheer up

[trail hull]

each year groups of people that like a mon grows

[bitter comet]

I don’t like humanoid mons but I don’t blast hate about them constantly or hate the people who want them

[inland jewel]

To be fair, in this discord it actually matters since that Mon could take up a spot for a Mon you want

[tender plank]

i couldn't really care less for spheal in IF
but walrein on the other hand is a different story. i NEED walrus!!!

[bitter comet]

I need to see the full line…

[inland jewel]

Because worst case, it’s another year of waiting for a Mon you’re waiting for

[velvet root]

My main problem with it only was how one sided it was
They only said "SPHEAL IS SPHERICAL"

[gray stream]

oh yeah, forgot i made this

[gray stream]

i can make, for my bretheren

[bitter comet]

Oh yeah, I can’t believe I forgot about that banger Sprite

[velvet root]

still love it

[bitter comet]

[trail hull]

some smart peopel pormoted the whole lien qualities

liek the fact tat each stages has a different body shape

[hushed axle]

Frog coming to nuke the channel to stop the gogoat talk

[inland jewel]

Literally, all Spheal propoganda was that it deserved to be in because it was a ball and we’d have ball fusions

[trail hull]

we have our own thread

[hushed axle]

You mean voltorb?

[inland jewel]

As if voltorb didn’t exist

[velvet root]

Sealeo or what his name was is good for derpy fusions and Walrain is really fun designe wise

[bitter comet]

Personally, I like the final evolution, the best out of the line

[outer matrix]

and nothing was talked about with wailren and sealeo

[bitter comet]

It just looks cool

I can imagine some really epic sprites for it

[gray stream]

yeah, but spheal is silly ball. however, that is bad propaganda

[velvet root]

I always feel like the mods and co dislike the Goats

[inland jewel]

Yeah they only mentioned Spheal though, I’d forgive them if they did anything with sealeo or Waldron

[trail hull]

my non-if folder , mainly composed of gogoat line

[tender plank]

while i just kinda went all 'hyperfixed teen mode' in this channel with touga

[gray stream]

i need to make some folders, actually

[trail hull]

I should remake lanteal one day

[bitter comet]

Very much true

[velvet root]

I have a extra folder for Goats lol XD

[inland jewel]

This is a direct contrast to Gogoat where they actually did stuff for both Gogoat and Skiddo

[gray stream]

i currently just have my files like this hundreds of files

[inland jewel]

That and if someone mentioned Spheal you got like 3-4 images shoved into your face

[velvet root]

My non goat non if

[inland jewel]

Shiinotic mentioned

[gray stream]

alola mentioned

[bitter comet]

May I suggest male pyroar/goat

[inland jewel]

Man I wish Shiinotic got in

[tender plank]

my non IF folder is literally JUST tougas
like nothing else

[bitter comet]

I feel like the fire mane would be cool

[velvet root]

Could be fun if I get time
A chimera designe goes hard

[bitter comet]

Maybe it could be like a mane made out of sticks and grass that are on fire

[bitter comet]

That is true

[outer matrix]

I still like these non-ifs

[velvet root]

I like your Tortles

[tender plank]

also fun fact: there is literally NO carracosta sprite in #1050404143807873157 that i could find

[inland jewel]

Before this chat gets nuked, if you could add one line from each Gen we could get

What would you add?

[velvet root]

We should change that ngl

[tender plank]

thank you, they are all equally made with the same love i give the main boy

[gray stream]

some more non-if

i have like 9 ultra beasts

[velvet root]

so 5 Pokemon lines?

[inland jewel]

Yee

[velvet root]

Whats when the evo is cross gen?

[inland jewel]

as i said, only mons we CAN get

im pretty sure all the mons that are cross gen that are in 3-7 are already in

[velvet root]

Yes but for example of one that is in
Gligar is cross gen

[velvet root]

nope

[trail hull]

chingling line

[tender plank]

correct, we really should
infact, might make the next touga tuesday a carra instead
(that is if i finish my secret spriter before then...)
already have something in mind too, so might as well just do that

[outer matrix]

3. Castform
4. Shellos + Gastrodon
5. Too many good ones to pick, but I guess Vanillite-line
6. Gogoat
7. Blacephalon

[inland jewel]

Gen 3- Relicanth
Gen 4- Vespiquen
Gen 5- Beheyeem
Gen 6- Helioisk
Gen 7- Shiinotic

I would add Watchog or Purugly, but Vespiquen and Beheyeem are more likely

and like Claydol and Bronzong are also good contenders

[full bison]

Aside from the UBs I'd add
3- Shiftry
4- Bronzong
5- Mienshao
6- Espurr
7- Araquanid

[trail hull]

Gen 3- Tropis
Gen 4- Glameow
Gen 5- Archen or Tirtouga
Gen 6-Clawitzer
Gen 7-Xurkitree

[carmine iris]

ima show some of my mudsdale fusions for the sake of propaganda

[gray stream]

Gen 3 - Tropius

oopsies, guess thats all

[tender plank]

For me it's uhhhhh.
well, you know one

[gray stream]

gen 4 - probably uh carnivine or something

[bitter comet]

3. That one lava camel Pokémon that I can’t remember the name of
4. Uhhh don’t really remember any Pokémon from this gen that I have any strong feelings for
5. meinshao
6. Malamar
7. Vikavolt

[carmine iris]

camerupt

[bitter comet]

Yes thx

[outer matrix]

the only castform fusion I have are these ones

[gray stream]

gen 5 - conkeldur

[velvet root]

Gen 3- Mightyeana (if cross gen Chimecho)
Gen 4- Toxicroak
Gen 5- Beheyeem or Eelektross (cant decide)
Gen 6- Gogoat
Gen 7- Crabominable
Im really unsure about all I want so many

[gray stream]

or vanillite

[carmine iris]

gen 3- camerupt i guess
4- hippowdon
5- keldeo
6- gogoat
7- mudsdale

[velvet root]

Hippowdon is soooo good too

[gray stream]

Gen 3 - Spheal or Tropius
Gen 4 - Carnivine or Skuntank
Gen 5 - Vanillite or Conkeldur
Gen 6 - Gogoat
Gen 7 - Ribombee

[velvet root]

Why Ribombee when your team ub? XD

[hushed axle]

Hmm.
3. Poochyena
4. Starly
5. Vanillite or Beheyeem
6. Gogoat (only because I’ve seen all the sprites already made)
7. Dewpider

[gray stream]

i love the ultra beasts, but ribombee is the actual goat. unfortunately, i do not think ribombee stands a chance as a team because not enough lovers are declaring their love of it

[velvet root]

Actually sounds like a fun list
Even more cuz you can put them all early game to obtain more diffrent mons

[inland jewel]

Craboinable is a great choice

[gray stream]

also gen 7 is just too good, i have like 10 favorite pokemon from there

[next flare]

3 - Whismur
4 - Snover
5 - Rufflet
6 - Skrelp
7 - Xurkitree

[velvet root]

Many dislike it but I tell you when it is out we get some of the funniest and coolest sprites out of it

[gray stream]

great list

[velvet root]

Head fusions are literally Derpy yetis

[hushed axle]

Snover is a good choice too

I just love my emo birb

[tender plank]

I LOVE CRAB, THEY SO SILLY :3

[civic rapids]

wait why is this chat getting nuked?

[gray stream]

#1315533145721933834 #1310683068876460033 #1213539303876206643 goated non-if teams

[velvet root]

We talk about great mons like Hippowdon, Gogoat etc etc etc

[hushed axle]

Because once the update comes out, it’s not “new Pokémon” anymore

It’ll probably just be hidden until the next batch of new mons

[tender plank]

WOAH THERE'S A CRAB TEAM!?!? cool

[civic rapids]

Ah I see. Is the new update soon then?

[inland jewel]

Vaguely next week

Is the time they gave

[civic rapids]

ah nice

[inland jewel]

Man it’s going to drop when I’m away at Con

[hushed axle]

It’s our fishmas present

[velvet root]

I hope we get Goatmas
This update brings all big and liked teams except Goat qwq

[hushed axle]

Maybe next year, bud

[carmine iris]

i wanna make a mudsdale team thing some time once im satisfied with the amount of mudsdale sprites i made

or just a horse team for every horse

since i have a few for zebstrika

[gray stream]

well yeah, team horse sounds like a good idea

[velvet root]

I remember a amazing Litwik/Blitzle (or what the baby zebras name was)

[carmine iris]

yeah blitzle

[velvet root]

LOOOK AT HIM

[carmine iris]

thats amazing

[velvet root]

I would never evolve it

my BABY

[inland jewel]

What does the chandelure zebstrike look like

[outer matrix]

team ultra beast is not that active than the others though

[velvet root]

idk

[gray stream]

yeah, which is bad

[velvet root]

Doesnt exist

[velvet root]

Atleast its not the Hippowdon thread qwq

[tender plank]

The what

[carmine iris]

we dont have a hippo pokemon yet, not sure if the slowpoke line are hippos

[gray stream]

i think it might actually just need more propaganda. we havent been too active outside of the thread

[velvet root]

They are kinda Otter/Hippo/slamander thingys

[full bison]

Just as I had finished my Wheel-decided type combo run. I can get Started on theorycrafting my Sun team right away, neat

[carmine iris]

they arent in the field egg group so i dunno

[full bison]

Slowbro is, according to the Pokedex, a hermit crab.

[carmine iris]

i am not accepting that

[velvet root]

https://discord.com/channels/302153478556352513/1271249152365297755

[velvet root]

Thats not a crab XD

[gray vine]

i had to check cause i did not think it was actually spelled Hippowdon

[outer matrix]

I wonder what propaganda we need tbh

[gray stream]

it doesnt really have to be anything too special, maybe just occasional mentions could help. not that many people know about it

[velvet root]

You can make a propaganda bigger when collabing with other Propagandas

[gray stream]

oh, true. lets do an official collab with team crab maybe

or goat, even though that kinda happened without consent already

or what if we did a less popular team?

[outer matrix]

all teams collab with each other

[gray stream]

would make sense, somewhat

[velvet root]

Normaly not giving consent is bad ngl

[gray stream]

it wasnt bad in that case, just kinda popped up out of nowhere

[velvet root]

Stakataka and the Hippos could look cool

[gray stream]

im still trying to make 3 sprites of each ultra beasts. ive only done 3 kartanas, 3 pheromosas, and 2 xurkitrees so far

[velvet root]

not me dont finding time for the bamboo space shuttle Goat I made a base for cuz of rl problems

[gray stream]

we should also probably make more bases. i think one of the only ones we currently have is that one i made for kartana. i accidentally deleted that wip pheromosa i had unfortunately

ultra beasts can be a pain to sprite, after all

testrun made a pretty good palette for xurkitree

actually i think that was just a custom base, idk

[velvet root]

I think Testrum had a Blacephalon

[gray stream]

oh, neat

[queen grove]

HONSE

[carmine iris]

HONSE

[queen grove]

HONSE so good. 🙂

Not even sure what my wishlist looks like aside from "YES MALAMAR" 🙂 HONSE would be a good pick.

Ultra beasts would be pretty neat, especially Pheramosa there.

[inland jewel]

I’d like Sun and Moon legends

Those two are by far my favorite legend duo

[queen grove]

Miniore would be a lot of fun in this too.

[full bison]

I've got good news for you

[inland jewel]

Got news for you

[queen grove]

Ayyyyy sweet. 🙂

[full bison]

Honestly, Pheromosa is probably the UB who interests me the least with what can be done with it. I feel like it would just be more Waifumon stuff for the most part, maybe the occasional Maxx "C" or Dancing Cockroach meme reference. All the other ones have super interesting stuff to add

[inland jewel]

I’d love Stakaraka fusions since we can get building fusions

Like we can put graffiti on that guy

[dusty arrow]

3 - ice type magikarp
4 - staraptor
gen 5 - theres a lot of gen 5 pokemon i like, but uhh.. archeops, i guess
gen 6 - diggersby
gen 7 - drampa

[inland jewel]

Love drampa!!!!!

Mf burns down houses

Sadly the server is like highly allergic to dragon types now

[full bison]

If Gens 8 and 9 weren't Illegal, I'd be hardcore vouching for Applin, Duraludon, Ogerpon, and Toxitricity

[wide merlin]

gen 3 : tropius
gen 4 : lumineon
gen 5 : Stoutland
gen 6 : malamar
gen 7 : salazzle or aquaranid

[inland jewel]

based lumineon enjoyer

[rancid nymph]

Gen 3 - Manectric
Gen 4 - Drapion
Gen 5 - Leavanny
Gen 6 - Gogoat
Gen 7 - Ribombee (would be Alolan Ninetails if Alola forms were allowed)

[inland jewel]

my choices for 8/9 would be Haterene and Espathra

[wide merlin]

of course !

[odd hamlet]

Gen 3: Mightyena
Gen 4: Toxicroak
Gen 5: Archeops
Gen 6: Clawitzer
Gen 7: Solgaleo&Lunala

[wide merlin]

i wait lumineon and i can't understand why the ugly fish from gen 7 was added before lumineon

[full bison]

Espathra with QD and Tail Glow, showdown channel in shambles

[wide merlin]

i love your choice

[full bison]

Bruxish was added for the same reason as Luvdisc and Stunfisk. Trolling.

[rancid nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokémon-chainsaw-bruxish-team-rocket-gif-12695848432645923121

[inland jewel]

its because the hate for Bruxish was so visible that thedevs wanted to troll people

[wide merlin]

logic for jokes

[inland jewel]

like the reveal for Bruxish was a 2 minute compliation of people saying they'd leave the server if Bruxish got in

[wide merlin]

i imagine the situation

and i had lived that with luvdisc

stunfisk was a joke too ?

[tacit saddle]

yes

iirc that was the 420th pokemon

[inland jewel]

yeah so Frogman did a poll since around that time there would be no more room to add any more pokemon at all (due to his limited understanding and the old fusion system)

so he asked if people wanted Prevos or more pokemon variety

people voted prevos, and the amount of prevos that would be added made the number go to 419

Frogman added Stunfisk to make it 420 and thus kicked off the troll mon tradition

[rancid nymph]

Some people hate Stunfisk because it’s derpy, other people like it because it’s derpy

[inland jewel]

i also think it was the least voted mon 6 years ago

since they at the time did a poll to add mons and people voted then too

[meager juniper]

3. Medicham
4. Drapion
5. Cincinno
6. Clawitzer
7. Tsareena

[clear lichen]

Gen 3: Mr Craw
Gen 4: Hippowdon
Gen 5: Tough call, it's between Gigalith and Daramnitan. I think I'll go Darmanitan here.
Gen 6: Dragalge or Malamar. If I had to pick, Malamar? Idk, it's tough.
Gen 7: Any line? Cosmog line, gg ez. If I'm not allowed to pick legends, probably Araquanid

We can't get anything past Gen 7, but for the sake of the hypothetical...

Gen 8: Frosmoth
Gen 9: Ogerpon

I do think Gigalith in fusions would look cooler than Darmanitan if people did Gigalith fusions but it'd probably be difficult to do, which would mean less Gigalith fusions would be made

Also, spamming Flare Blitz is fun

In fact, hear me out

On one hand, Darmanitan's main issue is speed

So the obvious idea one would have is to fuse it with a faster mon

but

If we were to say, fuse it with a Pikachu and have it hold a Light Ball

Then imagine the damage calcs

It even gives a Electric type Flare Blitz clone in case Sun isn't up for the Water

It'd be funny

[carmine iris]

Gen 9 palafin
Gen 8 biased to horse

Gigaliths a cool mon to want

I headcanon/theorize it to be an ancient metagross

[clear lichen]

Gigalith is pretty similar to Metagross in design except one can fire beams that destroy mountains and the other is just smort

God I love how ridiculous dex entries are at time

[carmine iris]

Fr, gigaliths special attack isnt good at all

[unkempt kernel]

3 - Crawdaunt
4 - 2014 world champion winner (Pachirisu)
5 - Gothitelle
6 - Clawitzer
7 - Cosmog line or if no legends then uh, Bounsweet line

If gen 8 / 9 were possible, my picks would be

8 - Yamper (sadly this includes Bolthund but I can live)
9 - Funny normal mouse

[carmine iris]

My friend likes corgis but hates boltund too lmao

[unkempt kernel]

Same

Bolthund is a greyhound iirc

[dusty arrow]

greyhound + (english) foxhound

but its really just a sighthound in genreal

[unkempt kernel]

Yeah, which doesn’t make sense for Yamper to evo into

[dusty arrow]

yeah its.. weird

but does gamefreak really care about this anymore-

[unkempt kernel]

True

Tbh if we could have Yamper I’d only want it for a joke fusion and re do my run ten

[dusty arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/yamper-pokemon-yamper-pokemon-spin-pokemon-gif-26534981

dog

CAPCUT JUMPSCARE-

[unkempt kernel]

lol

[west sonnet]

3 Relicanth
4 Burmy line
5 Archen/Fossils
6 Gothita Line
7 Lunala or Cutiefly

[unkempt kernel]

Cus there isn’t an existing mon / one for pif that fits

Well the other half is in at least

[clear lichen]

Yooooo another Lunala supporter

W

[unkempt kernel]

I said the line too

[clear lichen]

In my defence I'm on Mobile and couldn't see your list from the newest message

That's also W

[unkempt kernel]

Fair

[hushed axle]

I’d love to see the Gen 7 box arts in here

[clear lichen]

(I left to do stupid Pikachu/Darmanitan calcs after this line)

[unkempt kernel]

Lunala head fusions would go nuts

[clear lichen]

252 Atk Light Ball Sheer Force Pikachu Flare Blitz vs. 240 HP / 252+ Def Arceus-Fairy in Sun: 435-513 (98.6 - 116.3%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO

Like this one

It is very much a Rampardos situation but that's fucking hilarious so it gets a pass

Like I said it'd be more logical to go with a faster mon for fusion

[gloomy rover]

Gen 3. Spheal Line
Gen 4. Crogunk Line
Gen 5. Tynamo Line
Gen 6. Espurr Line
Gen 7. Dewpider Line

[clear lichen]

The Gen 6 Box Legends are not 1 line gg

The Gen 7 Box Arts being a evo line is suddenly a massive benefit because I get to list it without worrying about people saying things like that

[gloomy rover]

Alright, Espurr Line then

[clear lichen]

Fair enough

[rain locust]

gen 3: idk
gen 4: heatran
gen 5: weather trio
gen 6: box legends

[west sonnet]

I mean look at the name

[clear lichen]

... Weather trio?

[tacit saddle]

corviknight (this is a joke)

[clear lichen]

You mean the Forces of Nature or something?

I'm gonna assume you do not care about the technicalities I put up considering you posted that after I brought them up

[tacit saddle]

the weather trio are kyogre, rayquaza, and groudon

[clear lichen]

Which is like fair enough

[tacit saddle]

which... are in game so

[clear lichen]

Which are in the game and from Gen 3

The Forces of Nature are linked to weather too though

[tacit saddle]

yeah

[clear lichen]

And also, Anaconja seems to actually play IF competitive

And when I think Competitive I think of the Genies usually

Mainly Landorus but the other 2 also have had their time in Singles

Arguably Tornadus' time only ended because of nerfs

And that's in Gen 9

Torn-T is still good in Gen 7

[dusty arrow]

thundurus also has the coolest looking therian form

[rain locust]

meant the genies but forgot the name

[gloomy rover]

and hypothetically, if Gen 8 & 9 were possible.
8. Falinks
9. Tinkatink line

[full bison]

I wonder what kind of stupidity would follow Lando getting added? How do you make that thing even more optimized for the meta?

[hushed axle]

I want a tinkaton/wooper fusion that’s just a wooper holding tinkatons hammer

[rain locust]

🤓☝️ tbh

[rain locust]

fuse with a brave bird user

[tacit saddle]

hes ready to kill

[rain locust]

Dorus

[tacit saddle]

Dorus

[proud lion]

Gen 3- Spheal Line
Gen 4- Carnivine
Gen 5- The monkee
Gen 6- Aromateese Line
Gen 7- Salazzle Line

[full bison]

Even as much as I despise Aromatisse, I do admit it would give us some cool fusions

[leaden ice]

Massive cope but I hope Pecharunt eventually gets added. Would love to see more toxic chain Pokemon

[tacit saddle]

massive cope, as it's gen 9 and not getting added

[leaden ice]

yeah i heard that a while ago about new pokemon in general, so you never know

[hushed axle]

Gen 8/9 mons will likely never be added

Due to the last time frog tried adding them, it bork everything

[tacit saddle]

yep

that's what i meant by "gen 9 and not getting added"

[spice sage]

Close. It was actually the gen 5 mons that borked everything. I never attempted gen 8-9 (and don't intend to)

[hushed axle]

-# misinformation go brrrrr

[spice sage]

What happened is I tried to code the moves and abilities and messed up somewhere and couldn't figure out what. Eventually I basically just started over from scratch in a more recent version of Pokémon essentials and ported all of the custom code to the new version throughout like a whole year

I really don't want to make to go through that again

[tacit saddle]

i thought it was something like that too lmao

[hushed axle]

Ooooooo. So what version was the game originally on?

[tacit saddle]

how long did the porting take?

a year??

[spice sage]

Also I barely know the gen 8-9 mons so there's not much of an incentive there

[hushed axle]

I don’t blame you considering the new versions of essentials rewrote the entire code base

[tacit saddle]

woe, coding nightmare

[spice sage]

Yeah something like that iirc. I wasn't working on it full time obviously

[tacit saddle]

that's rough 😭

how long ago was that

[spice sage]

3-4 years ago maybe? I don't remember exactly

~~maybe it's my brain trying to block out the memory ~~

[brittle crow]

What about in the offchance that Poke essentials updates with the new gen stuff

Worth lookin at it again or just not too interested?

[hushed axle]

Well essentials has updated already

So I think that falls under the “don’t want to go through that again”

[brittle crow]

ahh

[hushed axle]

I mean it’s via a plugin for essentials v20/v21 but still

[tacit saddle]

trauma 😭

[inland jewel]

So it seems like it’s consistent that they sort of rewrite the code base each time a new gen comes out

Which means another rework when Gen 10 comes out

[hushed axle]

Well not entirely. V20 did an entire rework of the code for ease of use and efficiency upgrades. It didn’t really have anything to do with a new gen. The community adds plugins to add the new mons

[inland jewel]

i heard they also did a rework for V21

since gen 9 changed stuff

[hushed axle]

Yea, it wasn’t a completely overhaul tho like v20

Each version has reworks

[inland jewel]

it was enough reworks for me to drop my original project and just start fresh on V21

[hushed axle]

I think the biggest v21 rework was the AI rework iirc

And the dungeon generation

[hollow plume]

Mighterrrrrs

[meager juniper]

I wish Mightyena looked more like a proper hyena. Maybe give it a third evo.

[inland jewel]

Give it the linoone treatment

[meager juniper]

Or go the Obstagoon route

Yeah

Lol

Gnoll

[inland jewel]

That’s what I meant

[rancid nymph]

Or give it a regular evolution that it can actually use

[outer matrix]

Needs to use assurance 30 times while under a full moon

[weak trellis]

it also has to be some untranslatable japanese number pun somehow

[full bison]

Also it's only an evolution for a regional form, so regular Mightyena is forever the weaker choice

[opaque ether]

'Yena Propaganda

[opaque ether]

A cross-gen evolution for Mightyena is what I want most out of Legends Z-A. With Kalos being based on France, it'd be the perfect opportunity to do an evolution for it based off the Beast of Gévaudan from French folklore. I just hope it'd actually be a cross-gen evolution like Ursaluna and not a Mega form.

[wide merlin]

une tres bonne idée , la bête du gévaudan est une légende connue et Mighthyena ( ou grahyena en français) serait un candidat parfait

[opaque ether]

Convenu!

[velvet root]

#1213539303876206643 message
I love seeing new WIPs and finaly the first bike designe

[opaque ether]

Typing-wise, I'd love to see Dark/Fairy. Both the Beast of Gévaudan and evolutions for Mightyena in general are often depicted as lycanthropic/werewolf-like. Dark/Fairy plays into that perfectly. Fairy because of its association with the moon and supernatural creatures in general. And the weaknesses of Dark/Fairy line up with typical weaknesses of werewolves in media, with Poison matching Wolfsbane and Steel matching silver.

Stats-wise, I think a +100 BST is fair considering that's what Linoone got with Obstagoon. +40 to Attack, +30 to Speed, and +10 to its HP and both Defense stats.

Abilty-wise, I'd swap out Quick Feet for Strong Jaw. Hyenas are renown for their bite, so it just makes sense. If not that, then Tough Claws. Otherwise, Intimidate and Moxie are perfect for it.

And since many cross-gen evolutions nowadays tend to get signature moves, give it a Fairy-type biting move. A secondary effect like confusing the victim or making them drowsy would be pretty cool.

I've put a lot of thought into this, ha.

[velvet root]

While you say it
WHY TF does mightyena not have Strong jaw????

[opaque ether]

Guess because Strong Jaw came out in Gen 6 and they just never revisited Mightyena. Which is a shame. But with them going back to old Pokemon like Shiftry and updating its ability, maybe they'll revisit Mightyena. It also doesn't learn Jaw Lock, which would be perfectly fitting for it.

Imagine 130 Attack + Strong Jaw + STAB Jaw Lock. Then pair that with the idea of a Fairy-type biting move that makes the victim drowsy. If they don't faint outright, they'd be stuck on the field and forced to fall asleep. Devious, but MAN I want that now, ha.

[velvet root]

Ngl Mightyena line deserves the love

[hexed agate]

no

[unkempt kernel]

Pach evo in ZA trust

Or mega

[trail hull]

I am french I did not even know about this beast

[velvet root]

idk if Pach suits that

Like how would one look like

[unkempt kernel]

I mean, it was Kalos when it won worlds

[velvet root]

Still eh
My question was more about designe

[unkempt kernel]

Ik

[opaque ether]

It's a pretty interesting read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beast_of_Gévaudan

[eager jungle]

Fun fact 1 : Powerwolf made a song about beast of Gévaudan and even made a version where he sings in french
Fun fact 3 : there's a really high chance that the beast was a dotted hyena

fun fact 2 : it was also probably used by one guy (i forgot his name) who just wanted to have more "power"

[carmine iris]

I might get flamed for this but mightyena is one of those mons that i like but doesnt particularly stand out

Especially when theres at least 30 dog or wolf pokemon

[opaque ether]

Man I haven't listened to Powerwolf in ages. What was the name of the song? I'll have to check it out. I may have already heard it depending on when it released.

[opaque ether]

All the more reason for it to get an evolution.

[carmine iris]

True, would do it good

[eager jungle]

"beast of gévaudan"

that's the name of the song

send it in your dm

[velvet root]

Mightyena isnt a Wolf or a dog tbh

[eager jungle]

it's a hyena

[velvet root]

Exactly

[opaque ether]

Makes sense. Will check it out later, thank you.

[velvet root]

Thinking about it its kinda weird how small the Hyena family is

[eager jungle]

yeah, and they're more related to feline than canine if i remember right

i also think that lycanroc midnight is a mix between hyena and werewolf, the hairs are really close to the striped hyena

[velvet root]

Striped hyenas are my fav

[carmine iris]

Mb, idk anything about hyenas except that their bites are as strong as a lion or tigers

[velvet root]

stronger

[sturdy frost]

SOMEONE MENTIONED MY RESEARCH EXPERTISE:
Yeah hyenas are like, not related to dogs at all. but also quite unrelated to cats.
lovely example of convergent evolution. Where they actually have many features of both (probably more dog-like) due to similar selection pressures.

[eager jungle]

(that's why i said feline and not cat because a cat is a feline but a feline isn't a cat)

[sturdy frost]

common ancestor wouldn't change if we include the other felines though.

[eager jungle]

also, at first i've read felis cactus instead of felis catus

[sturdy frost]

they do be prickly

[eager jungle]

i love how each of the name are kinda easy to read, and then there's panda

[sturdy frost]

(not me practicing the names at home before any conference)

many are so fucked

[eager jungle]

isn't the name of the coconut crab something like "thief wheelbarrow" if we translate it ?

[sturdy frost]

Thief for sure, thats Latro

and they do got that dumpy

[velvet root]

Old vs new

[sharp nebula]

theyre not small look at the narwhal in the corner, theyre massive!

[velvet root]

XD

[clear lichen]

Well, they are feliforms, so closer to a cat than a dog I guess

Does this make Mightyena 1/3 cat and 2/3 dog?

Hmm

[velvet root]

why 2/3 a dog?

[sturdy frost]

Well yeah, thats exactly what I show with the phylogenetic tree, not quite dogs, not quite cats but a small amount more related to cats.
Their MRCA is 40mil years ago with felines, right at the origin of that we now call Feliforms
Their MRCA with domestic dogs is 55mil years ago.

15mil year in phylogeny is is a very small difference funnily enough. (some will say the 55mil split actually happened 40mil years ago yadee yada.)

[rain locust]

2/3 parents were a dog

[clear lichen]

"Poochyena" definitely implies that it is still a dog

[velvet root]

HOW

[sturdy frost]

a pooch is a dog

[clear lichen]

Pooch=dog

[velvet root]

It literally spells Hyena

[clear lichen]

Poochyena's name is basically "Dogyena"

[velvet root]

But why is it 2/3 than?

[clear lichen]

Because I can't say that it being a hyena would count as being a full cat

Since hyenas are merely more related to cats than dogs and not actual cats

Though if you want to say that Mightyena's like 75% hyena and 25% dog then yes, Mightyena would probably be more cat than dog

[white root]

what's a good fusion for delphox that keeps it's fire typing

[velvet root]

Likely something like Sylveon

[tacit saddle]

lurantis has been a killer

but i don't remember if it had an encounter in the beta

[white root]

fair enough

[velvet root]

If you want a cool designe go Golisopod body
trust me!

[white root]

ok

I'm doing randomiser so my wimpods were just magikarps

[velvet root]

Im sure you can find a Wimpod in the rando

[tacit saddle]

oh you can find lurantis in rando then

[white root]

ill have a look out, ty

[molten loom]

Hey you were correct on it being 6.4

[outer matrix]

why did frog skip 6.3 for 6.4?

[molten loom]

Maybe considers 6.3 just to be a beta

[tacit saddle]

yeah i don't think it's a mistake since the in-game version is 6.4

[hushed axle]

Yea, he’s been running with just 6.4

6.3 just never made it out of beta

[tacit saddle]

rip :(

died in the womb

[inland jewel]

the closests i can think of is when Frog jumped from V5.3.2 to V5.3.4

[hushed axle]

Sino, got anotha in tech support

V5.32.4

[tacit saddle]

woot

14 more to 300 lmaoo

[hushed axle]

Ouch

[zenith umbra]

I think the cerulean cave event should be revamped, since most major plot points now have a fusion twist, except for this one. Mewtwo could purposely fuse himself with a powerful pokemon to achieve his goals. I think the top contender is Zygarde, to restore order to the natural world without human meddling Would also conveniently skip having to assemble Zygarde since Mewtwo already did. Other contenders could be Yveltal for full edge kill all humans, Victini for guaranteed victory, or Eternatus for unlimited power for his goals. If anyone else thinks another mon would be a better candidate, please lmk

[velvet root]

Yeah the Mewtwo quest is boring
MY fav quest is the one from Necrozma

[tacit saddle]

the necrozma quest is excellent

[zenith umbra]

That shit is hype, and that’s each what I mean, most of the other legendaries got cool events, like Jirachis is simple but so cool

[tacit saddle]

i definitely agree though, the mewtwo quest could use some revamping

make for a good zygarde intro too

[velvet root]

I mean I see it for the Ogs but its the weakest Legendary quest

We could also do a "beat Mewtwo" start of the quest and after a chase that needs us to Safe or dont safe Pokemon from problems
If we safe them all mewtwo will join us
If not we have to actually catch it in a Battle

[zenith umbra]

Yeah, I forgot his name but the gen 5 legendary dude could have the zygarde cube, but mewtwo just jacks his shit, and steals zygarde cells from Elm who has some for whatever reason, knows that the rest is in cerulean cave, explaining how he knows where it is.

Plus mewtwo and zygarde are kinda opposites, one being all about the natural order, the other has no place in said order, good juxtaposition

[velvet root]

I can also see Mewtwo use some Ultra beasts

[zenith umbra]

Yeah, that is possible, which one?

[outer matrix]

~~nihilego ~~

[gray stream]

nihilego mention

[zenith umbra]

Idk, I feel like adding one adds the burden of having to add them all

[velvet root]

Maybe some that clash with its ideals ending up with you 2 teaming up against them

[hollow plume]

If Mewtwo were choosing he'd probably want to cover his dark and bug weaknesses

What is a good type for that to start with?

[zenith umbra]

So a fairy mon? Which one could you justify it fusing with?

Or steel

[hollow plume]

Well it's need to be a legendary

[velvet root]

Lovely horse

[hollow plume]

What fairy or steel legends do we have so far?

[outer matrix]

xerneas is the only fairy legendary so far

[full bison]

Tapus:

[zenith umbra]

Not any that fit thematically I think. Jirachi would be a good candidate but the jirachi event is already hype. I don’t think the dogs fit thematically

[hollow plume]

So xern is an option, I suppose pseudo legends might work too

[velvet root]

But xern should be fused with Yvel if anything

Lets fuse it with Gogoat cuz Mewtwo is seen as the GOAT

[full bison]

I wonder what a Cosmog event could look like? Could be anything from a callback to the plot of SuMo to something completely unique

[outer matrix]

[hollow plume]

Metagross could make a cool armor fusion.

[zenith umbra]

Which would be easy to work in the story if mewtwo is fused with zygarde, maybe its appears in response to the zygarde mewtwo

[full bison]

Oh no, x4 weak to U-Turn!

[hollow plume]

But also thematically what if: Mewtwo/deoxys, Mewtwo is infected with the space virus pokemon

I feel zygarde would be connected with yvel/xern though

[full bison]

I feel like the Tapus have a lot that can be done with them eventwise if they're added. It's a bit lame that all that leads up to them is a Strength puzzle in the mainline games

[zenith umbra]

I mean not necessarily, wasn’t it not even in gen 6? And in fusions kyrem is barely connected with the other two dragons

[full bison]

It was in Gen 6, just not plot relevant

[zenith umbra]

Maybe the tapus should be connected to sevii somehow

[hollow plume]

Fair enough. Though with za coming out the lore for zygarde might change

[zenith umbra]

I hope so

[full bison]

Zygarde is clearly meant to have a connection with them considering Aura Break

[hollow plume]

I really think I like the deoxys idea though for Mewtwo.

[zenith umbra]

Yeah, deoxys mewtwo is a hype mon. Tho maybe it could be the triple fusion instead, and just have it defuse after the battle

[hollow plume]

Maybe instead of genesect in the lab, it's broken out, and deoxys glued it and Mewtwo together?

[zenith umbra]

Deoxys is never really depicted as something with motives, I think Mewtwo would be the one who pursues a fusion

[hollow plume]

No, but it is an alien virus

[zenith umbra]

Unrelated, how did we catch the legendary birds if they were already caught in masterballs?

[hollow plume]

A virus's very purpose is to find a strong host to parasitize

Add Mewtwo and genesect, you get one hell of a host

[weak trellis]

they broke it probably, canon now has precedent for that with terapagos

[zenith umbra]

Damn forgot about that

[outer matrix]

|| terapagos broke the master ball that it was captured in ||

[trail hull]

I think it's a one time thing cuz it literally broke it while in it's domain , when it is in it strongest form

[hollow plume]

So deoxys would logically be instinctively drawn to them, and then the power between them and deoxys' weird nature fuses them all

[full bison]

I like the idea that Legendary Pokemon let you capture them to an extent. Like, you're telling me the creator of the universe can't break out of man's creations?

[hollow plume]

They deem you worthy or they leave

Speaking of worthy:

[trail hull]

if I'm not worthy enough , they can't espace if I have a spare masterball and a pc box ready

get rekt god , what are you gonna do in a reality now

[tender flume]

society if cryogonal got added to pif

[tacit saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/mundo-feliz-onetreehsll-world-if-gif-14071235670792471304

[bitter comet]

Cryo head fusions would be cool

[tender flume]

it's such a unique pokemon i love it so much

[unkempt kernel]

Society if Pach was added

[bitter comet]

Agreed the only problem with it is that it has like almost 0 body fusion potential

But I feel like the head fusions will make up for it

[unkempt kernel]

Ppl said that about

And it’s the most sprited new mon iirc

[bitter comet]

Still don’t really like carbink body fusions unfortunately, but the head sprites are absolutely amazing

[bitter comet]

I feel like most of that is like head fusions though

Could be wrong though

[unkempt kernel]

Most likely

Minior also kinda has the same issue but ppl have been working with it

[bitter comet]

That is true

[unkempt kernel]

Hopefully we get Pach next year so I can make the funnies with it & Minior

[unkempt kernel]

Very boopable

Hm, mightyena might be a suitable replacement for one Yamper for nefarious purposes (also known as a joke alt)

[bitter comet]

I want to kidnap this child

[outer matrix]

besides mighyeana & furfrou, is there a dog Pokémon missing in PIF?

[hushed axle]

Yamper will forever be missing

You could also make the electrike being a dog argument

There’s also lillipups line

[hushed axle]

Fidough also falls under this

And maschiff

And greavard

We’re missing a lot of puppers

[hollow frigate]

POV: You are Professor Birch and you have just walked out of Littleroot town

[bitter comet]

That one electric dog Pokémon that I don’t remember the name of but it had like a mega form I think?

I think that might be missing

Maybe I don’t really remember

[spare dagger]

Electrike/Manectric?

[bitter comet]

Oh yeah, that’s what it was called

[outer matrix]

suprised nobody mentioned type: null yet

[bitter comet]

Personally, I think that’s a bit more horse shaped than dog shaped

But even then it’s not really horse shaped either really

Null is just shaped

[full bison]

Type: Null can't really be described as any singular animal

[zenith umbra]

Pach?

[hushed axle]

https://tenor.com/view/pachirisu-squirrel-pokemon-pokemon-pachirisu-adorable-gif-17099886384054803802

[zenith umbra]

Ohh, makes sense

Id pop off for pangoro

[hexed agate]

I hope we only get dragon and ghost types

[full bison]

There's not too many Ghosts or Dragons left TBF

[zenith umbra]

Are gen 5 starters in the game?

[hexed agate]

Nope

[zenith umbra]

Lmao they got skipped

[outer matrix]

hey, at least we'll get the gen 5 starters in 2026

[full bison]

Sadly we're probably getting Alola Starters before Unova Starters cause of Emboring bringing down the average

[zenith umbra]

Sammurott is lame too in my opinion

[hexed agate]

Tbh after trying to sprite all unique type combos, I'd like more Fighting, Bug and Ground types

[gray vine]

yeah Emboar is pretty above the average starters in that gen

[hexed agate]

Also Tornadus

[zenith umbra]

I wish we had vespiqueen, but I don’t think split gender evos are gonna happen

[gray vine]

i dont see why they wouldnt?

[full bison]

Gender is ignored for evos in this

[gray vine]

we already have gendered evos

[hexed agate]

I think Gen 5 has the best split of starters in terms of them each catering to different people

Not a lot of overlap

[full bison]

Male Snorunt can become Froslass

[zenith umbra]

So is that a case for or against the gendered evos? Cause I feel like the whole draw of vespiqueen and salazle is the fact that the females are rarer and are the ones to evolve

[full bison]

for. Gendered evos are just annoying

[zenith umbra]

I desperately want a salazle hydriegon

[hexed agate]

Salazzle is probs not happening for a while lmao

[full bison]

it doesn't feel special that the male Salandit I encountered in my Nuzlocke is a wasted encounter, it's just a burden

[zenith umbra]

I didn’t think about it from the nuzlock perspective, more the completionist one. Makes sense

[full bison]

Still annoying.

Putting up with lowered odds for the Mon I actually need to complete the dex is, again, just a needless burden

[bitter comet]

Man, I really want all of GEN five to be added one day

[bitter comet]

So many banger designs from that generation

[zenith umbra]

Thats a big ask

[bitter comet]

I don’t expect them to be added all at once obviously

[full bison]

Especially with Combee in DPPt where you can only encounter one every 6 hours

[zenith umbra]

That’s disgusting

[zenith umbra]

Do any of yall have ideas for triple fusions? I feel like lucario and Zoara deserve one, but idk who poke #3 would be

Lycanroc kinda has a similar vibe?

[hot hamlet]

Zeraora if he ever gets added

[zenith umbra]

I was thinking him but he’s mythic unlike the other two, they are just heavily promoted

Wait lyconroc is actually in this game?

[full bison]

A popular suggestion for a triple fusion is Muk, Weezing, and Garbodor

[zenith umbra]

Thats a banger

Jynx magmortar electavire? Doesn’t really work now with jynx

[hot hamlet]

Could do Dusknoir. Being another mon in the same generation that is an evolution a prior gen mon.
And all theee need trading with an item (or in this game’s case, level 50/item)

[zenith umbra]

Not a bad choice

Goodra and Dragonite are both silly dragon psuedos, maybe dragapult if it gets added?

[rancid nymph]

No post Gen 7 mon will be added to the game

[zenith umbra]

Honestly they’re not necessary, can’t think of one im dying for. Tho an eternatus necrozma fusion would have been hype

[barren garden]

why not ?

[hot hamlet]

“Incompatible coding” is the answer I always give. The full answer is… complicated

[barren garden]

expand

[brittle crow]

because its too much work

[rancid nymph]

Basically, the game uses an older version of some software that makes adding Pokémon past Gen 7 difficult

Best way I can think to explain it

[full bison]

Using the updated version comes with a host of issues as well, so that's out of the question for now

[coarse karma]

Surprised yet happy to see that this channel still is open to chat in.

https://tenor.com/view/yes-yes-sir-yayy-kataman-gif-12260883688244422951

[hot hamlet]

Probably for only a bit after Sunday. That’s when the next update is scheduled

[proud lion]

I give it 8 months

[hexed agate]

I give it 8 years

[hot hamlet]

I give it whenever we run out of troll additions

[hexed agate]

then I give it 12 years

[proud lion]

https://tenor.com/view/simipour-cheer-pokemon-panpour-dialand-gif-9989926600891786611

[tacit saddle]

insert frog monkey quote here

[hot hamlet]

Btw fishmas? … I haven’t heard that name in years and I highly doubt you’re referencing the same thing I know it from.

https://tenor.com/view/pocket-god-ollie-fishing-gif-27573484

[hexed agate]

fish funny

[proud lion]

Where did you hear that info

https://tenor.com/view/thats-a-nice-argument-senator-why-dont-you-back-it-up-with-a-source-gif-26196944

[hot hamlet]

FireSword linked to a Megaman post about it

I know a guy who knows a guy

[proud lion]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEVaXyu0lWc&pp=ygUhaSBrbmV3IHRoaXMgZ3V5IHdobyBrbmV3IHRoaXMgZ3V5

[hot hamlet]

Links

#playthrough-talk message

[molten loom]

I realise I might have read the message wrong, oops, but give sunday as a latest

[proud lion]

So no Feeshmis or Sphealmas

[molten loom]

I blame having barely been awake

[full bison]

I'm just relieved we aren't getting Relicanth right this very update cause I said I would draw up a Relicanth/Rayquaza fusion with the Sky Pillar mural on its side if it was added this update

I want it eventually, but I'm scared of committing to a drawing like that

[barren garden]

what is the best way to find out what pokemon ar in pif

[hushed axle]

?tag pokedex

[opal trail]

All Gen 1 - 2 Pokémon are in the game, and the Pokémon that are included from Gen 3 - 7 (as well as their location and Pokédex number) can be found here:

https://infinitefusion.fandom.com/wiki/Pokédex

[trail hull]

I think sprite repo tag says it too

?tag spriterepo

[opal trail]

The Sprite Server is currently down for everyone.

• This means you will see question mark sprites or invisible sprites for Pokémon.
• Wait until the 6.4 release sometime next week for the new version or use the 6.2.4 workaround below.

How to Fix Manually

Lightweight Installer with ALL Sprites + Guide

• Download, Extract to a new folder, Open Game.exe. Turn Download Sprites off from in game settings and save.
• Don't merge or copy anything into it, this zip has everything setup and ready to play for you with ALL sprites.
• This carries over your save file, you don't need to move or download anything else.

[trail hull]

Yep

[hot hamlet]

Ah. Didn’t know that was edited. I only learned today really after going dark for the weekend to focus on finishing Yakuza 6/starting Y7

[coarse karma]

[velvet root]

We know when we get the update? Since when?

[hot hamlet]

[hot hamlet]

[prime dust]

this is the first instance it has happened to my knowledge

usually frog just drops it when he thinks it is ready

and that isn't even factoring in the shadow updates we don't get pinged for

[rancid nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/armstrong-made-it-up-gif-25653819

[molten loom]

I said that I was wrong

[molten loom]

For the sunday part I read it wrong

Due to bad sleep

And maybe the confusion was still lingering from seeing #hall-of-fame message

As I'm still very confused about that hall of fame

[molten loom]

I gave false information due to misreading ignore the sunday bit

[velvet root]

Ok

[molten loom]

Never going to forget this mistake for the rest of my life

Genuinely might vanish for a day or 2 because of embarrassment

[rose meadow]

So the new update is sunday?

[marble meadow]

it’s ready when it’s ready

[inland jewel]

From tomorrow to Sunday, could be any day then

[fathom ridge]

O7 for this channel

[tacit saddle]

nooo 😭😭😭

it was an understandable mistake

[molten loom]

I'm the kind of person who gets embarrassed very easily and very badly

[tacit saddle]

i get that because im the exact same

[molten loom]

I'll just reread omniscient reader again to forget for a while

I'll remember this moment randomly in the future

[tacit saddle]

😭😭

[velvet root]

Nah dw many
Shit happens

[velvet root]

I feel that

[zenith umbra]

So since the gen 6 starters are being added, will they triple fuse?

[fathom ridge]

Yup I think it’s bugged on the beta right now or at least was, only gives you a Pikachu

[hot hamlet]

Wtf is that hall of fame? lol
Beta order, clothing, yet full version background?

[molten loom]

It's very confusing

[tacit saddle]

im still so confused

[molten loom]

Same

[hot hamlet]

And yet… I can’t scream false game because they do have the beta roll.

Oh btw Sino, 3 more last night after you all retired

2 were apologetic and fixed it, 1 just stopped responding

[tacit saddle]

damn!

[proud lion]

How would you feel if the Lake Trio got in?

https://tenor.com/view/mesprit-uxie-azelf-lake-guardians-pokemon-gif-15300187129864311181

[tacit saddle]

eh

wouldn't be my first picks. might be cool for thematic fusions

[molten loom]

Forget they exist

[tacit saddle]

same ngl

they're kinda forgettable

[fathom ridge]

Low priority for me

[full bison]

They're OK for head fusions, but I have no idea how spriters are supposed to differentiate them as body fusions

I personally like them, but not in the context of this game

also Gen 6 should've made them Fairy type

[west sonnet]

Honestly its like Minior but far worse

[wide merlin]

any news for the update ?

[west sonnet]

Soon

I assure you the announcement will be huge

[gray vine]

just play beta if you wanna play with some of the new stuff

[wide merlin]

I see

Strange smile your profile

[gray vine]

smugg

[hot hamlet]

I caught another one. Latest Hall of Fame. Has not responded yet to mentioning it

[queen grove]

Huh... You know, I never really considered spriting when I was thinking about Minior in this...

[west sonnet]

Minior bodies are terrible lmao

[queen grove]

Yeah, sure would be. XD

[full bison]

Minior bodies can be good, but that usually requires the involved head Pokemon to give it something to work with. Like Cofagrigus' coffin, for example

[proud lion]

Voltorb Bodies but with spikes

[velvet root]

Eh bodys will be a lil hard

And i expect a lot of fusions to just be changed "hair"

[queen grove]

Okay, but hear me out... Voltorb/Minior.

[next flare]

Qwilfish much?

[vestal wharf]

rip my kyogre greninja fusion is gonna be an alt now

i just saw the new one that posted

[gray stream]

there’s a multiple main system, but both of you used kyogre’s primal colors. not sure if that means both will be alted or not

they’d be temp anyways

[prime dust]

see you'd normally be right, but

i know frog and some of the sprite managers want to do a "purge" of sprites so that the game only has 1 custom for each fusion

all the other sprites will get shunted into a separate download

the above was thought of long before the gitlab incident, but would be exceedingly helpful now with the new repo having the limits it does

[velvet root]

No no you got it wrong
He wants to purge unneeded alts
Like shiny alts, diffrently colord versions and joke alts that dont work with our rules like the Harambe sprite

[prime dust]

tomato potato

[trail hull]

The purge has already begun

[weak trellis]

the separate "joke" sprites folder bout to get really big lol

[tacit saddle]

lmao

[ruby breach]

Why? It's nice to have options..

[weak trellis]

I mean if they're in the joke folder than the options are still there, just not by default

[unkempt kernel]

Basically the sprites are making the game way to big from my understanding

[finite crag]

If you have 14 sprites for every pokemon, the amount of images in the game is 14x as high. That's really bad for your PCs' wellbeing

[inland jewel]

It’s already killing most android compatibility

Because expecting a phone to hold over 150,000 sprites is insane

[unkempt kernel]

Tbf this game wasnt made for android

[inland jewel]

Yee but we get a decent enough crowd of android users that they still want to make sure they can still play the game

[ruby breach]

Okay but only 1 custom sprite per fusion like the other guy said is absolutely crazy

[prime dust]

that was a misunderstanding, i was under the impression they wanted a hell purge to make things as "compact" as possible

but if it is just joke/reference alts then it won't be as bad

i still say doing a hell purge would be better, since the new repo works very differently to how sprites get downloaded

sure it puts more work onto the managers having to separate out sprites that go to the repo from the ones that would be in the alt download, but it would ensure less chance we go over the cap of the repo

[ruby breach]

heck no to a hell purge, fusions should have more than 1 option

what sense is there to also purging the extra really good high quality sprites

i get basic recolours or jokes but come on

[inland jewel]

There is a number of reasons, some mons have like 15 alts, where 3-4 of them are the same sprite but with slight changes

The new repo can only download 60 sprites at a time per minute

If your fusion has 12 alt sprites

That’s a minute where you’re getting blank or question marks

[ruby breach]

I get that, but thats not what im talking about

I said I get recolours and jokes being taken out

But there are fusions that have 2 3 or 4 really high quality amazing sprites that are different from eachother

they shouldnt cut all but one out

[inland jewel]

Yeah that’s not what they’re doing

As he explained there was miscommunication

[prime dust]

that is what im recommending to make things easier

[ruby breach]

Yeah I know you guys said that, I was just responding to Mordrid saying they still think a hell purge would be better

I disagree with the hell purge

[prime dust]

ok, understand this

if we go over the repo cap, frog has to pay money

THAT is why i say a hell purge would be better

[inland jewel]

If we go over the cap, the server could also be nuked again

Which is sort of what happened to the last server

[prime dust]

^also a risk as well

[inland jewel]

And we spent like 3-4 months with missing sprites

As apparently it’s nearly impossible to find a place that’s free/cheap to host how this game handles custom sprites

[ruby breach]

Is your definition of hell purge only 1 sprite per fusion MAX?

[inland jewel]

Even then that’s not how it’s going to be handled, it would download one sprite BUT you still have the option to go and download the other sprites using the database (fusion calc, if daena, etc)

[prime dust]

i'm not saying the other sprites would just be gone entirely

but put into a separate download [which is what they are doing for joke alts and reference sprites]

[inland jewel]

It be like how with the sprite packs, that’s a separate download outside of the server that you can download

[prime dust]

^

[inland jewel]

It doesn’t stress the repo and means less capacity to reach the cap

It just makes it more tedious for people who want options

But even then most people choose one fusion sprite they really like and ignore the rest

[full bison]

Bare in mind there's thousands of possible fusions to come out of this. If every single possible fusion had one single sprite, that's still a not insubstantial number

[prime dust]

you missed a few zeros

there's at current over 200K fusions

we will hit a quarter of a mill with 6.4

[inland jewel]

250K wow

[velvet root]

When all to gen 7 are in we will have 640k fusions

But remember the download is per person and least of the sprites have many alts thats why he wants to "nuke" recolors and badly sprited refs to clean it from useless trash

And tbh a minute isnt a long time
Most need 30 sek to search a sprite they like and encountering 60 dif sprites in that time is hard imo

[inland jewel]

They’re argument is for against a hell purge

Which reduces alts to only 1 sprite

[velvet root]

But thats stupid
Even more cuz we do have spritepacks
If someone is too lazy to get them its theyr own fault

[inland jewel]

Mordor and I’d argument is the server downloads one sprite, the other sprites you can get via sprite pack

[velvet root]

And I think recolors are the biggest issue
For example Arceus/Sableye was 40 recolors or so

[fathom ridge]

Wait 40

[prime dust]

https://tenor.com/view/wait-that-thats-is-illegal-gif-18393263

[velvet root]

Yeah
I think it was the guy with the sassy peter griffin who made a version for every plate and a shiny version

[fathom ridge]

oh yeah #1169827034462167131 message

[velvet root]

Im unsure tho
I know one guy was well known to do tons of useless alts

[fathom ridge]

the sprite is very good tbf

[velvet root]

Okay it was 19 apparantly
But i know some did a ton and he was one of those

[inland jewel]

19 alts plus the autogen already takes up 1/3 of the minute limit

[trail hull]

Speaking of tons of variants of a sprite there was the gastly hunter that had like a lot of different recolors for no reasons (maybe cuz gaster undertale)

Tbh I think we should remove autogen for pokemon that are complete

[full bison]

Credit where it's due, this one does a good job of merging the reference with an actual proper fusion of the involved Pokemon

[trail hull]

I wasn't speaking of that one

daena doesn't show them all in one screen

I counted there are 11 colors

[velvet root]

Thats why I say color alts are stupid duh

[velvet root]

Those are stupid too

Like one is enough

[weak trellis]

remoraid/mime jr. has another one I'm confused about (thankfully only one but still)

or the ones that are just character from other franchise with no attempt at art style or even involving the related mons

[trail hull]

I'm surprised those weren't removed when my really bad joke alt got remvoe super quickly (I do not miss that one and I'm glad they took it out cuz I would have ended up doing it)

[trail hull]

Depending of how it's done it could still be in the game perfectly fine

?tag effort

[opal trail]

No tag effort found.

[trail hull]

hold on

[weak trellis]

(the ones that do go the effort are great but we also have a lot of ones that are just [reference] yea)

venusaur/necrozma looking directly at you, don't care if it's a community inside joke

[trail hull]

?tag loweffort

[opal trail]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1262837895795048468/1266784097519407248/Effort.png?ex=66a66820&is=66a516a0&hm=d30cb1f750327195fee0dd28d2da3748f00dd893d3e516012e670ce54a4d4a01&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1099&height=497

[next flare]

You could report it to #1052360360172199977
Though you should check on infinitedummies before reporting because it’s the only up-to-date site I know of

[trail hull]

I think they are against witch hunting in sprite-error

good news only oen remain

and they kept the ugliest

[full bison]

Injokes as a whole I'm kinda iffy about for this. I suppose it's fine if the sprite is still good looking and makes some degree of sense, but then there's just exactly SpongeBob.

I think an example of an injoke sprite working well is probably Metang/Rotom having one massive arm as a reference to it's Autogen. It's a bit confusing to people who haven't seen the Autogen, but it's still cool looking so I can forgive it

[next flare]

Or the demonic jumpluff/jumpluff

[trail hull]

spriter deserver to make their injoeks even tho 99.99% of them don't play the game

[weak trellis]

yea it looks good, almost like an arm cannon

[tacit saddle]

oh yeah jd and i had to make a report recently about someone who had 40+? sprites and only like 6ish unique fusions because they had just recolors

it was resolved pretty quickly though