pif-hoenn-discussion

[clear lichen]

And since it resists Poison and is immune to Fighting, it still retains a good MU against the types that Psychic is SE against that Ghost isn't

As long as anyone doubts that Psychic is ass I will continue stating why I think it is

I mean except for yesterday I was very tired when this topic was here yesterday

And people are probably tired of me talking about why the Psychic Type needs a buff

But hey

[clear lichen]

A singular person said that they don't know if Psychic needed a buff that's more than enough reason

[finite reef]

Bug does NOT need a buff offensively, U-Turn does not need a buff

[ember bear]

just make 60 bp u turn

trust

[clear lichen]

OK, Scizor

What next, do we lower the BP of Knock Off to 60?

Increase the BP of Bullet Punch to 50?

[ember bear]

jet punch but steel 🔥

wait

oh yeah it's jet punch just had to check

anyway

[clear lichen]

We boutta get Double Bullet Bash with 40 BP, 2 hits, +2 Priority and a 30% flinch rate on both hits in Gen 11

Trust

[finite reef]

Give regular scizor double iron bash, it won't be broken trust

Mega Mawile too

[clear lichen]

Real

[velvet root]

Nah it should

[clear lichen]

U-Turn doesn't need a buff, so let's axe the distribution to almost exclusively be Bug types fr

[west sonnet]

the weak to U-turn jokes are gonna skyrocket

[full bison]

U-Turn being Bug type is odd to begin with when you think about it.

It's name in Japan is Round Trip, and it's mostly learned by Flying types.

There really isn't much to it that connects it to the Bug type

[viscid fossil]

It's like a bug flying near your ear and you keep trying to swat it but it just keeps coming back

[weak trellis]

isn't it a joke on dragonflies or somethin?

either way I'd just nerf its base power to 20-40 and call it a day rofl (I am not a good balancer)

[velvet root]

pov Nerfing bug type

[rain locust]

far more nonbugs use uturn than bugs

[weak trellis]

aurora veil has the same situation with ice types I feel

since outside of The Bax Situation it was mostly A-tales setting it up for non-ice types

[ember bear]

that's not really the same thing

it's like saying that reflect and light screen is only for psychic

aurora veil is only learned by ice types and only works with snow/hail

u turn just has a massive distribution

[clear lichen]

Which is why we should axe that distribution, imagine being a Bug type move and being more common on Flying types than Bug types by a rather wide margin

[rain locust]

errm but i like uturn

[ember bear]

just make uturn flying to match the users

[rain locust]

would destroy the balance

flying is an incredible offensive typing

[grave jolt]

Give U-Turn to more bug types

Beedrill and butterfree need the buff tbh

[ember bear]

beedrill does learn it already i think

dunno why would butterfree really need it tho

[grave jolt]

Beedrill does not in fact learn U-Turn.

[ember bear]

tm?

[grave jolt]

ah right lmao forgot it's a TM

[rain locust]

the whole niche of beemega is that its a fast af uturner

[gloomy obsidian]

Which legendary trio would you want to see more? The weather gods or the musketeers?

[velvet root]

The gods tbh

Because of that

[unkempt kernel]

The alola box legends, out of the Genies or the Swords of justice, probably the swords (Not Keldeo tho)

[velvet root]

You ask for one of the three groups now?

[unkempt kernel]

I was just answering the question

[velvet root]

Oooh

I wonderd cuz you added alola box

[unkempt kernel]

Well its incomplete, as we only have 1 member of it out of the 5

[hot hamlet]

Why would you want a group incomplete?

[unkempt kernel]

Because i never had Keldeo

Fake member imo

[full bison]

Considering we got Diancie alongside Carbink this update, I'm pretty sure Keldeo will also get added alongside the Swords when they're added

It's out of luck in the Triple Fusion department tho

[hot hamlet]

You don’t believe in d’Artagnan?

[hot hamlet]

Keldeo/Victini/[insert third standalone mythical. Maybe Melo?]

[unkempt kernel]

Yeah it will but i've never seen it as a member

[bronze barn]

Naganadel and stuffs

[unkempt kernel]

How is a water horse, a signer and a fire apple bunny in anyway related?

[bronze barn]

ok now I go

[bronze barn]

Shaymin fr

[hot hamlet]

But Keldeo is meant to represent d’Artagnan aka the 4th and youngest member of the 3 Musketeers

[bronze barn]

grass water fire

[hot hamlet]

Fine. Keldeo/Shaymin/Volcanion

[unkempt kernel]

That makes even less sense

[hot hamlet]

All four legged mons with the grass/fire/water typing

[deep crag]

It’s sad that Shayman still isn’t in the game. Where’s my flower hedgehog 😭😭

[full bison]

I think it's mostly concerns surrounding Shaymin's form change that's causing Frog to be hesitant about Shaymin

[deep crag]

Isn’t there already Pokémon in the game that change forms?

[hot hamlet]

Those Pokémon don’t need an item (except Necrozma but his is battle-only)

[deep crag]

They could probably code it to be battle only,

[full bison]

Shaymin also has a thing where it transforms from Skymin into Regularmin after getting frozen. Not a thing that tends to happen in the actual games considering the X4 Ice weakness, but still something to account for

[ember bear]

i mean

they can just chose to make it a separate form

like they handled meloetta i mean

the whole "reverts to base once frozen" isn't that big of a deal considering the already mentioned 4x weakness to ice

[deep crag]

True, they just could not make it a thing in fusion and provide a lore reason why

[stoic canopy]

Shaymin always looked like a chiapet or a neopet. I just find it extremely underwhelming and lazy.

[eager jungle]

❓

-# #1305974767144276028

[full bison]

Welp, there goes my plans on ever drawing my own Minor/Volcarona fusion. I'm not going to try to compete with that.

[eager jungle]

sorry

[tacit saddle]

"why not?"
"didnt wanna"

[full bison]

Eh, there was only so long I could mull about in self-doubt before someone else picked up the ball I was refusing to approach out of fear of failure. I'm more upset with myself, really

[eager jungle]

[prime dust]

you can still make a sprite for a fusion even if one is already made

points at the gratuitous amount of Gardevoir alts

[ember bear]

yeah more variety is nice

[full bison]

Eh. I understand the idea that I shouldn't feel limited by stuff other people have made, but honestly Crab basically made something similar to what I was planning on already.

[eager jungle]

well, you can always make an alt

i love seeing people version

[dusty arrow]

crab

[hollow plume]

good bean boi needs added

[hot hamlet]

Good beans and ice cream

[twin phoenix]

That's the third time I've seen that one requested.

[eager jungle]

#sprite-requests ...

[dire beacon]

Oh, sorry

[dire beacon]

I didn't know that 😦 I just imagined how could be

[dire beacon]

I just have to write it and the bot will write it down un the channel?

[twin phoenix]

It's going to be a doozy to sprite with all the parts.

[eager jungle]

guide in the pins

[dire beacon]

Ok, I think I did it well, thanks for the advises

[dire beacon]

I hope that when Goli comes out

https://tenor.com/view/fingers-crossed-i-hope-gif-7399910450068851246

[violet grove]

I took a break from the game for awhile, how many of those announced pokemon are in the game rn?

[proud lion]

Up to Kalos starters I think

[violet grove]

Seems like the normal game download is still just necrozma as the latest. Idk how one goes about downloading the beta or whatever if that's different

[full bison]

There's new Pokemon in the Beta if you wanna get the beta tester role

[hot hamlet]

#roles get beta role. Then #beta-version-download to get beta

[valid widget]

The pokemon i believe that would go crazy in infinite fusions should be the charcadet evolution line.

Armarouge and ceruledge? Especially Ceruledge would show some cool fusions

[gray stream]

too bad gen 8+ will never get added 😔

[prime dust]

^

[valid widget]

Jeeezzzzzz i appreciate you for showing me

[full bison]

To be fair, there is a possibility of some coding genius showing up and detailing to Frog exactly how to easily port over Post-gen 7 Mons in a similar way to what allowed us to have more than 420 unique Mons, but let's not ask for miracles here.

[weak trellis]

maybe for gen 8/9 mons that can use assets from gens 1-7 but I think for ones from gens 8/9 with no signature anything that's like...

wooloo/dubwool (fluffy) and nickit/theivul (stakeout) as the entire list I think?

since everything else has either a signature move, ability, or form

[full bison]

It's a shame cause there's some really fun combos that are locked behind the Gen restriction. Imagine Contrary Spin-out on a Revavroom fusion, Toxic Debris being given to bulkier Pokemon, Punk Rock on Toxtricity fusions, and Ice Scales on a Bug/Steel fusion.

[quaint matrix]

It's a little annoying that almost every new ability introduced after Gen 7 is like

Basically almost all just signature abilities

Like let's have some generalist abilities again maybe?

They don't even have to be good the "DMG boost if HP is less than 50%" abilities are still restricted to only 4 types to this day that feels crazy

[weak trellis]

the pokemon in gens 7+ feel like they were designed entirely around the abilities and moves unique to them rather than mon and move/ability being designed as their own things like in gens 1-5 (and 6 to an extent)

[quaint matrix]

Like some of the new abilities are kinda cool and justify themselves being Signature with some plausibility

But then there's things like

Purifying Salt

[weak trellis]

actually I like how the more and more I generalize about gen 1-5 mon design, cubone/marowak ends up being an exception to every single one somehow rofl

[quaint matrix]

Oh yeah sure I guess this specific Rock type pokemon can be immune to Ghost and also is basically Scrappy why not

[quaint matrix]

Thick Club is still the craziest item to be made tbh

[weak trellis]

that wasn't even part of it but I can add that one to the list as well

even if species-specific signature items stopped being a thing since gen... 3? outside of Stick being usable on sirfetch'd anyway and all mega stones and specific Z-crystals

[full bison]

I wonder how usable Sirfetch'd could be with the Stick and fused with a Sniper mon

[weak trellis]

I mean we have farfetch'd, we can already test that one lol

seems like your overall best bet there is

(farf has a lot of sniper fusions that aren't custom'ed yet ideas ideas)

[full bison]

I mean, Sirfetch'd has an actual Attack stat, while Farfetch'd is Farfetch'd

[quaint matrix]

Speaking of Sirfetch'd I will forever maintain that region-specific evolutions are a mistake the same way Mega Evo is a mistake if you're a bad Pokemon forcibly propped up by it

Regional variants is one thing and while it sucks that they are limited to a region they don't encroach on the original Pokemon's territory in anyway and are essentially just a divergent design to the Pokemon you know and love(?)

[full bison]

To be honest I don't even like Sirfetch'd as a design

[quaint matrix]

But having those regional variants also evolve without an equivalent in the original Pokemon just reeks of "we could improve the original line and do cross-evo again but LOL why do good things"

[full bison]

I'm a way bigger fan of that Farfetch'd Evo in that one GSC Demo

[quaint matrix]

Like Sneasler is fine because ultimately it doesn't fuck over Sneasel indirectly since they already got an evo, so Sneasler is just essentially funny regional Weavile (even if not exactly Weavile)

I'd say Runerigus is fine too (headass evo method aside)

But smth like Cursola, or Sirfetch'd, or Obstagoon, strikes to me the same way as Mega Beedrill, Mega Pidgeot, etc

[full bison]

Cursola not being Ghost/Rock still angers me

[quaint matrix]

Like oh we're still stuck with Corsola and Farfetch'd as dead-ends of their original line and Zigzagoon line still really ends at Linoone

Mr. Rime is the one that angers me the most because really now

You're not just gonna try complete the 2-line into 3-line? No, just gonna turn Mr. Mime into Ice/Fairy and have it and have an evo okay then

[gray vine]

i mean its already in the game, so spriting already starts

[old atlas]

No

[gray vine]

depends how the evo is done

if the evo requires to be in a specici part of the region its cool, but mons that dont need this and only a speicic attack combo or something its weird

[trail hull]

Don’t worry as shown with sv dlc they try to re use regional variants

[trail hull]

guys I think I'm now in debt

[ripe wigeon]

you need some cash flow? You can sell your Pokémon to us Team Rocket.

[velvet root]

Wait I have more than 10k...👀

[unique flame]

i will cope that my little gourgeist propaganda brought pumpkin in time for halloween

[alpine rune]

Same here

Look

[velvet root]

Your smart

[trail hull]

Guys I managed to get 10k here they are: k k k k k k k k k k

[velvet root]

Good that he asked for 10💀

[ember bear]

it took me a while to realize "wait that's not 10 thousand"

[quaint matrix]

Another day

Another slay for the Furfrou nation

WHERE YOU AT

https://tenor.com/view/furfrou-pokemon-pokémon-anime-anipoke-gif-4911844785582839710

[gray stream]

real

[wide merlin]

one furfrou or every furfrou are form like minior core and meteor ?

[unkempt kernel]

Furfrou's coats are only cosmetic so it would only be one slot, like Minior core's colours

[wide merlin]

so ten slot for furfrou

are dodged

if an update can to add more kalos pokémon , furfrou can to be add quickly but we have on big update to wait so it's not for now furfrou

[merry shale]

Do we have Druddigon yet?
I like that gen 5 mon and seeing it fused with 400+ other mons will look awesome if I say so myself

[unkempt kernel]

Nope

[merry shale]

Let us wait for a new update then

[prime dust]

frog seems to be only doing new mons once a year right now

so since we already had the vote, we might get one next year in August

[rancid nymph]

Hopefully we'll get the Gym leader/Elite 4 aces we're missing

Or at least mons better than Diance and Luvdisc

[west sonnet]

I believe everything is happening for a reason

[wide merlin]

no, like gothitelle and mienshao, and the starter

[prime dust]

?tag pokedex

[opal trail]

All Gen1-2 Pokémon are in the game, and the Pokémon that are included from Gen3+ (aswell as their location and Pokédex number) can be found here:

https://infinitefusion.fandom.com/wiki/Pokédex

[prime dust]

^what is all in the game and the confirmed mons coming in either Dec or Jan/Feb of next year

[wide merlin]

if the update can to come soon

[prime dust]

Frog might do something for the games 10th anniversary, but as to what that will be, I don't know [the fact it got released in Apr will make most stuff said need to be taken with a grain of salt]

[rancid nymph]

Maybe he'll finally add mons from gens 8 and 9

[prime dust]

it'd just be Dundunsparce

[unkempt kernel]

Yamper is right there

No Bolthund tho

[prime dust]

nope...just, Dundunsparce

[unkempt kernel]

I just want Yamper for one specific ref lol

[prime dust]

because it was gamefreak trolling the player base

[rancid nymph]

Bolthund is a good boy and deserves to be in IF

[unkempt kernel]

What is a Bolthund? There is only Yamper

[steel meadow]

Dundunsparce would be the perfect gen 8+ addition

But imagine trying to differentiate between the two head fusions

[atomic furnace]

i hope they add those that have pre evolution or evolution that are already exist in the game like annihilape, kingambit, etc

[steel meadow]

would that go for forms aswell?

[rancid nymph]

Those would probably be the first added if it ever became possible to add gen 8 and 9 mons

[steel meadow]

Is there any troll fishes that frog could add aswell?

[wide merlin]

farigiraf too

[steel meadow]

Frog seems to like funny fishes

[unkempt kernel]

Luiminion line

[steel meadow]

Im thinking cramorant but idk how that is a fish

[rancid nymph]

Basculin

[steel meadow]

i was thinking gen 8+

[wide merlin]

not a troll fish lumineon and i need to see this pokémon

[sullen elbow]

Barraskewda?

[rancid nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/cramorant-sacabambaspis-eat-gulp-missile-gulping-gif-10596954250460259725

[steel meadow]

Lumineon goes hard as a head

[sullen elbow]

Not really a troll tho

[wide merlin]

perfection

[steel meadow]

Is chi-yu troll?

I bet it would troll the competetive meta game atleast

Wait tatsugiri without dondozo

[wide merlin]

chi yu are legendary , with the the 4 treasure come for chi yu ?

[sullen elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/veluza-pokemon-scarlet-violet-unexpected-gif-6064197080711656755

[steel meadow]

No just chi-yu cuz im thinking of ways frog can troll us

[tacit saddle]

my goat

[trail hull]

tbh chiyu would be sick

good head and easy body

[ripe wigeon]

Can we get a fishmon triple fusion?

[unkempt kernel]

Bruxish, Luvdisc and then whatever the next troll fish is? Maybe Basculin?

[ripe wigeon]

you forgot Stunfisk

We already have three of them

Stunfisk/Bruxish/Luvdisc I can hardly imagine what this fusion’s sprite would look like

Probably a fish

[trail hull]

4 actually

[clear lichen]

OK but how is a sea cucumber a fish exactly?

[trail hull]

anything can be a fish if you try hard enough

[clear lichen]

Volbeat and Illumise for Fish Pokemon troll 2025

In all seriousness, the only troll fishmon left is like Alomomola

You could argue it'd actually be good in the competitive scene which yeah true but that'd make people hate it more

People aren't fond of bulky Pokemon

Especially ones with Wish and Regenerator

And good type and stats

[ripe wigeon]

Alright, this is the 10th-anniversary surprise I'm wishing for.

[full bison]

If Pyukumuku's considered a troll fish Mon, then how about Barbaracle? It's pretty unpopular in spite of weirdos like me who love it.

[trail hull]

basculin too (since there is no basculegion)

[ripe wigeon]

I like them both

[trail hull]

and frogman likes it too

[ripe wigeon]

and Whiscash

[trail hull]

wishiwashi could also be considered a fishmas

[eager jungle]

aren't bee considered fish in californian law ?

[trail hull]

no, no , no , you got it all wrong , according to california law fish are bees

[full bison]

People actually want Wishiwashi tho

[trail hull]

yes but not a lot

there's at least one person who wants a mon

[eager jungle]

imo, what would be next for next addition would be : gen 5 starters, hoopa, gogoat, vikavolt, eelektross, the koala, wishiwashi and relicanth (fishmas)

[trail hull]

I do not know if this scentece is grammatically correct or syntaxically

[eager jungle]

"each pokémon is made to be the best friend of someone"

[trail hull]

sadly gen 7 starters will come first

[eager jungle]

nah, trust me

[trail hull]

that's a much better sentence then what I came up with

[eager jungle]

source : ||redacted||

[trail hull]

what would be their dex numbers

[full bison]

Serperior and Samurott catching strays just because people don't like Embore is so disappointing

[trail hull]

gen 6 got carried a lot by greninja

tho delphox proves to be morez loved by the spriters

[full bison]

Delphox offers a lot more to work with

[eager jungle]

i'm just glad we don't use french name for Embore because it's ... well ... if you replace a t with an n for the pignite french name, you get a rule break x)

[trail hull]

grotichon?

[eager jungle]

chesnaught >>> delphox > greninja

[eager jungle]

yeah

[trail hull]

oh yea I see why lmao

never thought of it before

[eager jungle]

[full bison]

So many cool things can be done with Samurott and Serperior's designs and we likely won't be seeing much of that purely because of Embore. And that makes me dislike it even more

[bronze barn]

And Poipole fr

[full bison]

Ultra Beasts in general would be cool to see added

I really wanna see how unsettling people can make Nihilego Fusions without going full nightmare mode

[bronze barn]

I made a silly naganadel palette and a lycanroc so that's fun

also made these stuff I am working on still

[viscid fossil]

Woof!

[gray vine]

love the Rockruff

[flint tiger]

that might be interesting when fully evolved

naganadel stinger and wings + seismitoad bulky arms

🤔

[outer matrix]

If any regional form was allowed to join IF, which one(s) would you all pick?

[gray vine]

cursola i guess since its unique enough

[alpine fractal]

def not ponyta or slowbro is all im sayin

I was randomly on bulbapedia and found out how they savaged my homies, riperoni

[full bison]

Paldean Wooper purely for the Clod

[white meadow]

Galar Zigzagoon, Obstagoon is peeeeaaaaak

[stoic canopy]

Clodsire 100%. The most friend shaped Pokémon ever.

[shadow magnet]

maybe unpopular opinion but I kind of really like Galarian Zigzagoon. I think Obstagoon has a fun design

[fathom ridge]

I wouldn’t call that unpopular

[shadow magnet]

I have no idea 😅

I just know he's an early-game mon so I thought a lot of people would turn their noses up at him

[eager jungle]

you mean original zigzagoon ?

[shadow magnet]

both are iirc

and very common

[eager jungle]

nah galarian is the original specie, but kanto one is the variant, kinda like with kanto meowth/galar meowth

[shadow magnet]

hm, I don't think I've ever heard of brown zigzagoon referred to hoennian zigzagoon. But if they're more beloved than I thought then I'm happy 😄

[eager jungle]

i'm talking lore wise

zigzagoon are originated from galar and were exported and adapted

[shadow magnet]

https://tenor.com/view/racoon-pokemon-pokemon-zigzagoon-tail-wag-happy-gif-16298474921163014620

I didn't know that, neat!

[rancid nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/ogvhs-the-more-you-know-tmyk-more-you-know-knowledge-gif-18199480

[hot hamlet]

Where you get your knowledge from? Just curious where “Galar came first” comes from cause it sounds like headcannon

[eager jungle]

pokedex :

[hot hamlet]

Huh

Neat

[next flare]

Like Kantonian Exeggutor

[sweet spoke]

i think they kinda just migrated/evolved on their own

[inland jewel]

out of the ones we have code for, Sandslash

[sweet spoke]

not every pokemon was imported, unlike Alola

[inland jewel]

wow something in galar making Zigzagoon angy

[sweet spoke]

Something in Galar making X pokemon angry #647

Arent Tauros in Galar like, more vicious than Tauros usually are??

[potent plume]

they really need to stop pissin off the pokemon in galar/silly

[eager jungle]

tauros are the same in galar

they change in paldea

[sweet spoke]

I meant in terms of behaviour, not looks lmfao

[dawn topaz]

add flamigo

[fallen loom]

I don't like Obstagoon because it loses its tail and turns into that Kiss singer

[uneven geyser]

Gene Simmons

[split solstice]

Know what, even though Infinite Fusion probably won’t create a new eeveelution, they should just create a dragon type eeveelution (probably Arcaneon with Marvel Scale and (HA)Own Tempo) and make it a fast physical attacker, just so that we have 9 eeveelutions and three triple fusions. Eevee should be one of the best candidate for that, with its genetic code being “irregular”.
One will be Fire/Grass/Dragon, the others will be Water/Ice/Electric (water is, in some cases, referred to as a triple point between ice (cold water), fire (boiling water)and electric (torrentially flowing water) by pokemon) and Dark/Psychic/Fairy (the paranormal).

[vestal wharf]

Are more mons expected?

[vestal wharf]

I thought the galarian zigzagoon adapted to the emo bands and even gained an evolution because of it

[split solstice]

Not excessively, but just the ones that deserve triple fusion like the eeveelutions.

[west sonnet]

We don’t do fakemon

The most we do is reverse primary/secondary typing

And add to the movesets

[daring burrow]

should be done

diancie is 501

[molten loom]

Diancie is 500, luvdisc is 501

[split solstice]

Ah, that’s a bummer, thanks for replying though!

[west sonnet]

you can build your own pokemon

[split solstice]

Yeah, that’s the whole point of fusion, I gather.

[daring burrow]

luvdisc doesnt exist

[hushed axle]

I actually wasn’t, the sprite itself wasn’t there obviously but it shows up in the beta v2 in the “Edit Pokémon Sprite Positions” with bulbasaur/wartortle sprite. I can dm you a screenshot if you want

[quaint matrix]

Yeah it's the same method with me too lol

We didn't find it out through the sprite we find it out through the names

[hot hamlet]

Oooh! Calling the big Frog out

https://tenor.com/view/oh-snap-dave-chappelle-saturday-night-live-oh-no-omg-gif-19226541

[ripe wigeon]

Frog probably said that to avoid further spoilers. ||#500 should have been discovered just a few hours after the release of beta2, which is quite obvious. However, I was too oblivious and took a long time to realize it. I don't want to go into details though, as it would involve a lot of spoilers. and I don't want what they had carefully prepared to be further leaked. ||

[hushed axle]

And then he trolled everyone anyways w/ luvdisc

[ripe wigeon]

I can dm you the related link if you want. I only realized all of this today@hushed axle

[hushed axle]

Sure, go ahead

[quaint matrix]

Yeah that one wasn't in the list of names so I'm guessing it's a hidden decision to really get the tradition going

[ripe wigeon]

I just hope for a triple fusion fish

[hushed axle]

My guess is that he realized people found out and wanted to troll them for it lmao

[ripe wigeon]

and it worked

[quaint matrix]

I mean the real troll would be if he just decided to replace Diancie with Luvdisc

So thankfully we're all having fun together

[ripe wigeon]

Luckily, I was busy working at that time. When I checked Discord later, I found that Diancie had just been revealed as #500.

[hushed axle]

I remember looking at my partner when the announcement for luvdisc first came and was like “frog trolled us.”

[ripe wigeon]

I missed the troll fish part

[hushed axle]

We had a pretty good laugh about it

[ripe wigeon]

Then I guess im unlucky from a certain perspective

[velvet root]

Sadly he didnt

[trail hull]

Guys that mean we should always leak the last Pokémon to get an additional one

[quaint matrix]

I don't think the troll is worth the amount of people genuinely angry at the choice tbh

[trail hull]

What we got is the best of both worlds

[fathom ridge]

True but it would have been funny so I think it balances out

[trail hull]

Every year there’s a leak

[velvet root]

Idc
Let them be angry

[trail hull]

I Hope we will all be here again next year

[quaint matrix]

Eh I mean when Bruxish was dead last was there a big hype on someone guaranteed to get in like Diancie is with Luvdisc?

I think Bruxish was just added without any expectations on the last Pokemon being big deal so idk

[trail hull]

Bruxish was last dex wise but I think cresselia got announced afterwards

[quaint matrix]

Was there as much of a big hype to Cresselia as Diancie is rn

[trail hull]

No

[quaint matrix]

Yeah that's what I thought

[velvet root]

We should have thought of our Kids that they can be with us qwq

[fathom ridge]

Dont worry zero the goat will eventually come

[velvet root]

But no... We do it like a Corrupt Kingdom and only care for the Princess...

[cedar path]

[velvet root]

It would have been

[gray stream]

how would you feel if frog said “gogoat added to pif!!!” and then said “nvm it was a joke have throh and sawk or smth”

https://tenor.com/view/cat-look-cat-look-at-camera-silly-cat-in-a-cage-gif-889392959852579879

[prime dust]

if he's gonna pull something like that, it'd be funnier to do it with something that both most of the community and even he hates

The Monkeys

and then funnier still to actually go through with it

[gray stream]

true

[tacit saddle]

dedication to the bit

[steel meadow]

I still cant believe the dex ends on #501

[next flare]

It’s divisible by 3

[velvet root]

The problem is... I can see him do that...

[ember bear]

just make sure to not leak evidence if you find it

since the fakeouts happened because of that

like palossand fans had to endure weeks after altaria/noivern reveals

diancie had it easy tbh

[hexed agate]

all the fakeouts that outright stated pokemon also added them though

the monkeys aren't as bad as people say, we could get Simispark

[velvet root]

Thats why Slowforest hates Noivern

Man we got a farm in Pif and mountains and horn leech
Im sure its a Leak that we also get Skiddo and Gogoat this update cuz pls...

[bronze barn]

Simipark**

[prime dust]

nah too late now, we're gonna actually make a fakemon that is an electric monkey

the above is sarcasm

[hexed agate]

why do you think the chat is still open?

-# I don't why it's still open, but it's convenient for Simispark

[cobalt river]

NEVER give up the simispark dream

[bronze barn]

too late now

I already made simipark fr

just wait

[hexed agate]

[bronze barn]

Poipole added????

[full bison]

The UB Dream never ends! at least until the channel dies

[outer matrix]

But simispark is a fakemon

[stoic canopy]

Maybe he’ll leave the channel up until the update. after all, we can technically discuss the new Pokémon being added into the game until they’re not “new” anymore.

[hot hamlet]

That seems to be how it operated last time

[bronze barn]

ok so HEAR ME OUT

the update is out

but the channel isn't closed

there's a random house, with lusamine, and she gives you poipole easy win

[outer matrix]

The ultra recon squad would fit better with giving you poipole than lusamine

[full bison]

I'd see Lusamine being a boss fight that leads to you getting a Cosmog from Lillie to keep it away from her

[trail hull]

Frog would add the 3 lines

Frog loves trolling but I don’t think he is evil

To me every ub + sm duo + sivally should be in one big quest

[full bison]

After what we saw with Palossand, Pumpkaboo, and Diancie, I think it's a safe assumption that Frog won't just tease a line he has no intention of adding

[full bison]

I'd prefer them all being separate things so there's no obligation to have 17 Pokemon added at the same time

[prime dust]

he made stunfisk the 420 pokemon, we don't know what he will or won't due on a whim

[full bison]

Also the Cosmog line would most likely be postgame, and I wouldn't want Silvally to be locked behind that because it's stats just aren't good enough for that point in the game

[stoic canopy]

Think it weird that Silvally is the 2nd (or 3rd, if you count dittio I guess) man made Pokémon and that’s like, not a big deal in game?

[full bison]

There's a lot more manmade Pokemon than that

Porygon line, Mewtwo, Golurk, Magearna, maybe Ditto...

[trail hull]

Well there are more but they are accident

[stoic canopy]

Aren’t most of them like ghost hunting stuff?

[opaque flare]

ditto is actually an accident following PIF lore

[trail hull]

Like trubbish and garbodor

[stoic canopy]

Porygon was less made and more happened.

[full bison]

Porygon was deliberately created as a result of research

[outer matrix]

some pokemon were at least influenced or caused by man made things, like magnemite

[full bison]

Also there's the Claydol line

[stoic canopy]

Slivally was one of the few that was intentionally made

[full bison]

There's absolutely nothing in any Pokemon lore that implies that Porygon or Claydol were made by accident

[ember bear]

porygon z wasn't probably "intended"

[hexed agate]

[opaque flare]

porygon-z is the result of what happens to pokemon if they download fake data 😄

[hexed agate]

am I a fake?

[full bison]

Golett is also stated to be a product of ancient science as opposed to being a ghost possessing a robot

[outer matrix]

or if they downloaded bonzai buddy

[opaque flare]

you dont want an honest answer to that .....

[hexed agate]

[stoic canopy]

The bad egg glitch but real.

Huh, 1st time reading Golett’s Pokédex entries. They’re kinda warhammer lizardmen in a way.

Just a bunch of guys following orders from a long dead race to the best of their ability.

Sooooo… in a way, it’ll be hard to say they’re “man made” per say…

[hot hamlet]

You’re not fake. You’re genuine underneath your corrupted third party patch.

https://tenor.com/view/undertale-frisk-despite-everything-its-still-you-mirror-buttercup-gif-27689925

[hexed agate]

I got 3rd-partied!

[molten loom]

Now who would have installed that patch, certainly not me

I would never do anything like that

-# Its because Pory made a loss joke

[hot hamlet]

They should make Pory the first mon with a 4th evo that purges the corruption. Or at least a branch evo.
Could have the 4th be from a “virus scanner” while the branch be a “firewall update”

[ember bear]

ah yes

porygon dlc

[clear lichen]

Mega Porygon-Z leaks fr?

[full bison]

Apparently Porygon-Z was supposed to travel through dimensions. Clearly that means that a functional Porygon-Z evolution would be our first ever 4D modeled Pokemon

[hexed agate]

is that why I transcend your puny concept of "time"?

[molten loom]

Giovanni managed to travel through dimensions before Porygon z could properly do it

And he does it without many issues

What if the dubious disc is from his previous attempts of dimensional travels

[viscid fossil]

My headcannon is that it worked perfectly but we just can't comprehend its true nature so it looks like everything's wrong to us

Porygonz is just a fourth dimensional being

[hot hamlet]

According to entertainment media, Time is 5D. 4D is scent. So you’re just the first one we can smell. Wonder if pixels smell like the Coke creation?

[opaque flare]

according to tv 4D is space-time ... and 5D is transdimeonsional

[hot hamlet]

Well unfortunately, it’s pretty much a fact that Pory never got the chance.
The Upgrade is a Devon or Silph thing (I forget which) which the Dubious Disc is Team Galactic in origin.

[clear lichen]

Idk if D stands for dimension and 3 stands for the number of dimension, 3D is already by definition multidimensional, just not in the same way you meant.

[hot hamlet]

And in Theaters, 4D is 3D but with a smellovision gimmick

[opaque flare]

your assumption is correct, yea

yeha, i dont wanna know how it smells if people on the screen fart 😄

[molten loom]

Upgrade is Silph co in Origin

and it's not stated where the dubious disc originated

[opaque flare]

by bills parents

[full bison]

Apparently, movement on a 4D plane would look like something growing or shrinking from our perspective, and rotating along a 4D axis would cause us to see the insides of stuff. Apparently a 4D based game has to compensate for this by making everything out of Voxels instead of using typical textures

Character models straight up needed to have skeletons. Like, biological skeletons.

[opaque flare]

meanwhile average npcs walking on water:

[red radish]

the porygon line to me was always interesting because it establishes that digimon could theoretically exist within the pokemon world

or at least some form of digital life could live inside and outside of computer space (a similar idea to digimon)

[hot hamlet]

Well Digimon has the prospect that “the more data it has, the more complex it becomes, the more himanoid it becomes”
Hence why full evo lines tend to end in eldritch horrors or humanoids.
Dunno how that would work with Pokémon aesthetics

[vestal wharf]

K (sorry for late btw)

[full bison]

"Animals becoming more and more humanoid as they evolve" is just how the Starters have been for the past decade

[hushed axle]

The pipeline from “cute lil pet” to full on furry is real

[deft obsidian]

Delphox moment

[hushed axle]

Litten -> incineroar

[stoic canopy]

I never got where the distaste for Pokémon “standing up” came from. Being up right just kinda makes most things more dangerous so it always made sense to me.

[clear lichen]

Humans evolved to stand on two feet idk if we should criticise Pokemon for adopting the same survival strategy

[hushed axle]

I think going from a quad pedal cat to a biped man is unnecessary. Tigers, lions, all these big cats are more than capable of being intimidating without standing up

But that’s my personal opinion

And as much as I love meowscarada, I would’ve preferred it to stay quadpedal and more cat like

[clear lichen]

Alright, NOW I'm gonna go back to doing nothing

Maybe

Probably not

[stoic canopy]

Nah, considering the “performer” vibes each of the S&V starters have. It kinda have to stand up.

[shadow kiln]

I think that at some point it's trying to rationalize some basic dislike with way too much pseudo-intellectualism. Like okay you don't like them standing up for whatever reason but some people turn it into a design, thematic or artistic issue when every gen basically does away with the whole style and conventions of the previous while still being ostensibly in the same vibe of "Pokemon".

[hushed axle]

it’s just my personal opinion that not every mon needs to stand on two feet for a third Evo

[shadow kiln]

And not every Pokémon does.

[clear lichen]

I could not care less if the Pokemon in question has 2 feet, 4 feet, no feet or 6 feet (we have like a singular spider that actually has 8 feet alright?)

[shadow kiln]

And it wasn't targeted at you, in case it came off that way.

[clear lichen]

As long as I think the design is cool I'll like it

And I've never really seen number of legs as a factor

[shadow kiln]

It's more so that while the feeling can be valid, there's people echoing it to the point it's hard to take seriously in impersonal contexts.

[clear lichen]

That's just me ofc

[hushed axle]

There are very few quadpedal mons with a third stage Evo that stay quadpedal

[clear lichen]

People have opinions, that's just how things are

[full bison]

The problem I have with it is it's making starters feel samey.

[stoic canopy]

Yea, I think a dark type that’s a stage magician is god damn genius

[shadow kiln]

Sadly.

[hushed axle]

Like I said, I absolutely love meowscarada. But I can still admit that when it was first announced, I was disappointed that it went bipedal

[shadow kiln]

Why can't everyone just like what I like?

[deft obsidian]

Mamoswine... idk

[full bison]

If only we had an actual stage magician Pokemon. Instead we have Rule 2 bait

[shadow kiln]

Fair enough.

[hushed axle]

I didn’t say they don’t exist, I said there are very few

[clear lichen]

I dont really have a feeling that starters are too similar to each other

[shadow kiln]

Imma be real chief.

Anything is bait if you're into it enough.

[clear lichen]

Maybe that's just me being an addict

To Pokemon I mean

[clear lichen]

Not wrong

[deft obsidian]

I know, I don't remember anything other than mamoswine

[hushed axle]

I think this is another thing with it tho. A lot of the bipedal starters end up being bait for that

[hushed axle]

Bulba lmao

[stoic canopy]

I’m not really sure how you can make a stage magician without it being “bait” of some sort.

[full bison]

I can kinda say that some starters aren't Rule 2 bait just cause they're bipedal or super humanoid... But Meowscarada has stockings.

[shadow kiln]

At this point people call bait anything on two legs so again, hard to take seriously. Like, ok, not every bipedal mon can be as ugly as Rhyperior or whatever.

[frigid glade]

I want more seal pokemon.

more.

[shadow kiln]

Like at some point it's saying something about what you'd consider attractive for people to latch onto.

[clear lichen]

I want more Pokemon based on obscure animals

Like who tf knows of fucking leafy sea dragons

Exactly

[full bison]

Where's my Siphonophore Pokemon

[clear lichen]

But they made Dragalge anyways and that's based

[frigid glade]

Seal.

[hushed axle]

Spheal

[shadow kiln]

Make blaziken again but blue.

[frigid glade]

add spheal or i take drastic measures

[hushed axle]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokémon-spheal-adorable-cute-gif-14678009187742519206

Da lil babey

[frigid glade]

fusions would be so funny wit da baby

[shadow kiln]

Hit it with a club arm.

[frigid glade]

lube

[full bison]

I'm down for Walrein. It's like one of the only Ice types that actually had some defensive merit.

[frigid glade]

Yeah 😤

[clear lichen]

That's more so because of the Water type tbf

[deft obsidian]

Walrein has similar stat with lapras but with less HP

[frigid glade]

I just think it would make some neat fusions

[shadow kiln]

It's one of the few types that leaves ice without a bunch of weaknesses.

[hushed axle]

I agree tbh

[clear lichen]

Walrein would be cool for fusions

I dont see it doing much competitively though

[frigid glade]

Yee, like Walrein + Lapras n stuff

[frigid glade]

Ye, i personally dont care about comp stuff so im just down for the funny fella

[hushed axle]

I mean, it’s not a competitive game really. There’s no PvP outside of showdown

[full bison]

Not every addition has to be an OU menace

[clear lichen]

True

I'm just saying

[hushed axle]

Yea, that’s why we got stunfisk lmao

[clear lichen]

You were like "this guy has defensive merit"

[frigid glade]

Tbf Walrein and Primarina would make a cool fusion

Like a male looking prmarina type thing

[clear lichen]

It kinda has ig but not enough

[full bison]

And I stand by it. I like evaluating Pokemon based on both gameplay and Aesthetic merit, and Walrein has both IMO

[deft obsidian]

Not mine

[hushed axle]

I mean 90 base in both is pretty solid when you think of ice types being glass cannons

[frigid glade]

Yee somethin like that, but idk a mustache, give lapras a mustache

[hushed axle]

And thick fat helps it too

[clear lichen]

Thing is, people think of Ice types as glass cannons because Ice is great offensively and worthless defensively

Water carries the defensive value of Water/Ice so hard

I guess you'd just

Carry over the water type for in battle performance

[full bison]

Gameplay and Aesthetic merit is why my two biggest hopes are Bronzong and Mienshao, with the UBs being something I'll always be desperately hoping for

It's also probably why Scrafty became such a hit for me

[clear lichen]

The gap between usable in a playthrough and usable in OU is so wide that I'd honestly state if a Pokemon would be near unusable in a playthrough instead of vice versa

[hushed axle]

But in terms of averages, ice has better defense than water anyways

[deft obsidian]

Yea Ice is good with dragon ground water and fire

[clear lichen]

Truly Gamefreak being shit at balancing moment

Let's make our glass cannon type Pokemon all tanks

Slow tanks

They did this with 2 separate types btw

[full bison]

The fact that Avalugg wasn't the last Pokemon they tried this slow Ice tank thing with speaks volumes

They even made a worse Avalugg for some reason

[deft obsidian]

That ice horse from gen 8 too

[clear lichen]

It is clear as day that Gamefreak goes for aesthetics over practicality

And tbf that's not a terrible thing

Well, unless you want to use your favourites against other players

Then uhh whoops

[full bison]

Even from an aesthetic standpoint, why was Frosmoth given that treatment when it doesn't even look particularly slow?

[clear lichen]

Moth slander from Gamefreak :(

Why did Gamefreak go halfway with making Frosmoth a Volcarona counterpart with lore and shit

But then while making the stats

They went

"Nah, fuck this"

[fathom ridge]

Ejem ejem VIKAVOLT cof cof

[frigid glade]

ngl, i dont really keep up to date with Pif over the last like 7 months ish, i thought they werent going to add new pokemon n stuff, not complaining ofc i love it. is there a limit to how many they'll add? what about mega evos and stuff?

[full bison]

More new Mons are probably going to be a while before they're added after this update

[fathom ridge]

someone discovered a way to add new mons breaking the limit that there was before

[frigid glade]

ahhh okay thank ya both.

[fathom ridge]

now the hard limit of new mons is like 200.000 or something like that

[full bison]

Sadly we can't get any Gen 8+ Pokemon though cause of some coding issues

[tacit saddle]

"furry bait = pokemon that can wear a jacket"
"sudowoodo is furry bait"

-alpharad & jaidenanimations

[clear lichen]

I did see some people coding in Gen 8 and later Pokemon

[frigid glade]

thats so many

[clear lichen]

I wonder what happened after that

[tacit saddle]

they were executed

[opaque flare]

its not that complicated actually, its just time intense

[fathom ridge]

the main issue is that adding gen8+ mons also means adding gen8+ moves and abilities and thats pretty hard

[frigid glade]

isn't it as easy as just adding a png tho? i dont know a lot about this stuff lol

[clear lichen]

Yeah I'd imagine coding in like 200+ Pokemon is time intensive

[tacit saddle]

@frigid glade its beyond pngs

[clear lichen]

I got the impression that they were adding them manually

[opaque flare]

no, gen8+ requires to script the entire leanrset, script the actual moves, the abilities and such

[clear lichen]

Which would take forever

[opaque flare]

since there is no set data for such mons in that pokemon essentials version frogman uses

[fathom ridge]

we dont really know whats the process to add new mons, but also you have to integrate them in the game

[frigid glade]

ahh that makes sense.

[shadow kiln]

Truer words haven't been said.

[full bison]

There's always a possibility of some coding genius giving Frog all the necessary information to code all the mons in, but I'm not going to hold my breath for a miracle like that to happen

[deft obsidian]

I kinda like this limit,
But having stantler and girafarig next evolve will be awesome

[full bison]

I do wonder what Frogs stance on the Paradoxes would be tho

[opaque flare]

nah, frogman said he doesnt want to add gen8+ pokemon in the near future .. probably he rethinks once we have all pokemon until gen7 added

[clear lichen]

Let me make myself clear, Wyrdeer and Farigiraf would be very cool additions from post Gen 7

But they wouldn't be top priority type shit for me

[tacit saddle]

first, furfrou 😎

[clear lichen]

I dont really consider them being cross gens as a plus or minus

Just additional info

[fathom ridge]

well some staff said that it is 1000000% sure that there isnt going to be any gen8+ in PIF

[tacit saddle]

thats a lot of 0s

[opaque flare]

what staff say and what frogman say are 2 different things

[clear lichen]

It was probably just 1000 or 10000

[fathom ridge]

#pif-hoenn-discussion message

[frigid glade]

can we add me into pif

[opaque flare]

just as said .. currently its off the table

[clear lichen]

Wow nvm

[hushed axle]

Again, there’s always a chance after all of the mons up till 7 are in

But that’s gonna be a couple years still

[clear lichen]

It was actually 10000000000000000000000%

[frigid glade]

put me in a ball, im gen 4

trust

[opaque flare]

at the moment 9-11 years 😄

[fathom ridge]

i think at that point we might just get PIF 2

[opaque flare]

assuming we get around 40 mons each year

[fathom ridge]

that would be awesome

at that rate vikavolt will be here in no time!

[opaque flare]

last year it was 50, now its 31

[hushed axle]

And assuming frog wants to do this for another decade

[fathom ridge]

we might get a new year mon? idk maybe cope

40/year sounds cool

[frigid glade]

what gen 8+ pokemon would yall like to see in 10 years time then

[full bison]

Toxtricity

[hushed axle]

I’m not expecting it but I’m hoping we get some new mons in April for the 10 year anniversary

[full bison]

Glimmora

[clear lichen]

Frosmothfrosmothfrosmothfrosmoth

[opaque flare]

the steel crow 😄

[clear lichen]

I NEED THE MOTH

[frigid glade]

two very good choices tbf

[full bison]

Ogerpon

Lokix

[clear lichen]

Glimmora would also be peak

[hushed axle]

I want a Tinkaton & Corviknight fusion

[fathom ridge]

if i could have a gen8+ mon... oh the olive

[clear lichen]

Like screw Glimmora haters Glimmora goes hard

[tacit saddle]

snom/pyukumuku

[fathom ridge]

glimmora heads would be FIRE

[tacit saddle]

or vice versa

NOW

[clear lichen]

Nah, I don't care about the baby

[tacit saddle]

you DIE

[hushed axle]

https://tenor.com/view/snom-pokemon-knife-threat-stab-gif-15740428

[tacit saddle]

SNOM!!!!!!!!!!

[full bison]

Glimmora/Roserade and Glimmora/Chandelure sound like they could make for some gorgeous designs

[clear lichen]

Frosmoth is better than Snom

[fathom ridge]

well you hate babies

[clear lichen]

I will not hear anyone out on this

[frigid glade]

Sir Fetch'd would be pretty cool ngl

[clear lichen]

Only if they're Pokemon babies

And Snom isn't a baby

So I don't hate it

It's only a figurative baby

It's not a literal baby

[fathom ridge]

snom is kind of a baby tbh

[frigid glade]

and like ALL the legend arceus forms

[full bison]

As much as I consider Tinkaton overhyped, I do think it would be a top tier addition

[fathom ridge]

i wonder if we will ever get alolan forms

[clear lichen]

Even though the definition of baby Pokemon is already extremely fucking arbitrary

Point is, the ones I hate are the cross gen prevos

[fathom ridge]

overhyped competitively right?

[clear lichen]

It beat the fraud allegations and started becoming good

[frigid glade]

obstagoon is another solid one

[frigid glade]

that would be awesome

[full bison]

Overhyped in the Charizard sense where I'm getting tired of constantly hearing about it

[fathom ridge]

[hushed axle]

Don’t talk to me or my murderous son ever again

[clear lichen]

Not good for offence though

[hushed axle]

https://tenor.com/view/tinkaton-meme-tinkaton-evolution-line-hammer-pokemon-pink-pokemon-pokemon-game-gif-9587729220058263287

[clear lichen]

It's a support mon

[fathom ridge]

its so weird that megaton hammer isnt OP bc it only has 90 attack iirc

160 is something

[frigid glade]

Cursola, hated it on my swsh playthrough but had it on my team

[clear lichen]

90? Try 75

Attack is Tinkaton's 2nd lowest stat

Being 5 higher than its SpA

[fathom ridge]

but cursola is awesome! funny ghost

[full bison]

Tinkaton really got screwed over offense wise
"Here, have this incredibly powerful signature move that can't hit twice in a row. But your Attack stat needs to be ass to balance it."
And then they made Bloodmoon Ursaluna

[clear lichen]

5 turns in Trick Room is real

[fathom ridge]

yeah bloodmoon ursaluna is something isnt it

[frigid glade]

I love its design and backstory but i always have to have one pokemon on my team that i blame for my failures

[clear lichen]

And it can hurt you

[fathom ridge]

ah fair

[frigid glade]

stupid cursola

lookin at me funny

[fathom ridge]

the best regional is clodsire tho

[full bison]

Cursola not being Rock/Ghost still angers me

It's a dead chunk of limestone

[fathom ridge]

is it pure ghost?

[frigid glade]

im glad im not the only one who thinks that

[clear lichen]

Runerigus could also have been Rock/Ghost

[full bison]

How do you get more Rock/Ghost than that

[frigid glade]

Nuh uh sir fetched

[clear lichen]

It gives me more Rock/Ghost vibes than Ground/Ghost

[fathom ridge]

sir fetched is awesome i agree on that

[frigid glade]

yall wanna know what regional i hate, hisuian zoroark

[fathom ridge]

i remember playing sw blind and the farfetch just kinda evolved

it was awesome

[clear lichen]

My favourite regional is Gdarm

[frigid glade]

thats cool af

[clear lichen]

I prefer base Darm but Gdarm is still S tier

[fathom ridge]

that one is also awesome

[full bison]

Dragapult would be a cool addition and also would be an amazing source of black comedy

[fathom ridge]

gorila tactics go brrrrrr

[clear lichen]

Murderous snow gorilla

[frigid glade]

centsikorch would make for some top tier fusions imo

[clear lichen]

The long awaited sequel to murderous fire gorilla

[frigid glade]

i feel like bug types always have the best fusion designs

[full bison]

I'm imagining a Dragapult/Kangaskahn fusion being a distinctly worse parent than Kangaskahn tends to be

[clear lichen]

Idk, Dragapult's children love being launched at people

As far as I'm concerned, Dragapult is a good parent

"The fastest Dragapult of the group is always surrounded by Dreepy that want to fly at sonic speed."
They're literally queuing up to get launched

[stoic canopy]

If love to use dragapult on my team one day, but the level it need to evo always shuts it down hard.

[clear lichen]

I like how Dragapult has so many questionable shit about it

Like being a physical attacker with 0 good physical STAB for one of its types

And the evo level, though I'd say Dragapult's is fine, it's more so the Dreepy to Drakloak level

But it's arguably the 2nd best Pseudo legendary in Competitive anyways

[full bison]

Dreepy really is basically just an EXP Share Jockey for eons

[clear lichen]

Tbf only the first one really inhibits it in a competitive sense

But still, imagine a world where Dragapult had like Poltergeist or some shit

Does it even have Shadow Claw?

Lmao

Hear me out, Dragapult/Marshadow. Dragapult gets good Ghost STAB and Technician on Dragon Darts, making it effectively 150 BP

Is it good for Ubers? Probably not but damn it, it would've been cool

Let's be honest, Marshadow wouldn't make it into OU and I'm highly doubtful that Dragapult would either

[west sonnet]

The Only physical ghost moves Dragapult gets are shadow sneak and phantom force

iirc

Oh and Astonish

Which is why every Dragapult set in gen 8 is special

[clear lichen]

Gen 9 is not the gen to bring up Dragapult being mostly special

You want to do that in Gen 8

Dragapult's Gen 9 sets have a 50/50 split when it comes to physical or special

And that's thanks to Tera Blast

[west sonnet]

I made a typo lmao

[clear lichen]

Damn

Now I feel bad because I make typos like that all the time

[west sonnet]

nah it’s fine

you’re correct

[clear lichen]

I made a typo while typing that I typed thpo

[west sonnet]

Also like

Dragapult has like

insanely good coverage in special moves

[clear lichen]

Dragapult does have good coverage, insane speed and existent SpA

[west sonnet]

But it also gets u Turn so

[clear lichen]

Everything gets U-Turn except for physical bug types

It's sad

I'm sad

[west sonnet]

As a bug pokemon enjoyer

yes it is

[clear lichen]

Like when the actual fuck is Volcarona clicking U-Turn game please I love Volcarona but this is like the most useless bug type to give it to

More flying types get U-Turn than Bug types

[west sonnet]

Well you see Volcarona and it’s temporally displaced cousins are the best babies and get everything

[clear lichen]

As a Bug type fan, I am deeply disturbed by this

U-Turn backstabbed the Bug types by making one of Bug's greatest enemies better

Thankfully, Flying types famously lack flying STAB

Lando-T running fucking Flyinium Z in NatDex because bro has 0 good physical flying moves

King of OU, not having good STAB evidently

It doesn't even learn Acrobatics bruh

Bro can't even be stupid and go itemless despite really loving all of Leftovers, Scarf, HDB, Rocky Helmet etc

[full bison]

One day we'll get a physical Bug type with Intimidate and U-Turn and VGC will demand it to be removed from existence

[clear lichen]

Give it exactly enough Attack to OHKO Incineroar at +0 with U-Turn I'm sure it won't end up with an attack stat too stupid surely not

Also give it Defiant fuck it

Also make it faster than Incineroar so that it can't pull Flare Blitz from its pocket

Or make it Bug/Water idk

255 Attack is too little to OHKO Incineroar I may have made an error in my judgment

Hey can anyone calc how much attack it would need

Showdown calc doesn't go above 255 since it's impossible

Fuck it just give it Water Bubble and Flip Turn

This is what Gamefreak balancing looks like they make a joke then take it too far

That's what it feels like with some of these Pokemon

[stoic canopy]

Hah! A bug type that can use its best move, hahaha! You guys are funny!

[dusty arrow]

you are doing it all wrong

just give it huge power

i dont think anything can go wrong from that right

[clear lichen]

Surely not

[woeful flint]

Will there be even more generations of Pokémons or there will be only Single added Pokemons?

[hushed axle]

Wym?

[shadow kiln]

Only single addons if I understand you right.

The gens can't go over the 7th

It's a technical matter, sadly.

[hushed axle]

Average Mon additions have been 40 at a time. No gen 8+ mons will be added in the foreseeable future

[woeful flint]

I wonder how long did it take to add all this Pokemons

Probably long

[hushed axle]

The 1.0 release of the game was 2015 so

We’re at almost 10 years of development with 501 mons

[shadow kiln]

Oh lord it has been that long?

[hushed axle]

Yup

[shadow kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-old-age-takes-forever-come-on-santa-gif-8523777

[full bison]

Now I wanna know what crazy stuff is in store for a milestone anniversary celebration.

[prime dust]

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-know-gif-18174494

[fresh owl]

Salazzle would be neat but its sexualized design (which is very much intended) would have to be walked around eggshells. Then again Lopunny exists so....

[gray vine]

its a fucking lizard

[west sonnet]

Goddammit not this again

[gray vine]

you would have to go out of your way to truly make something removable for that

"eggshells"

[full bison]

Do we need to bring up the Pokedex again?

[gray vine]

do you?

this is about the design

if you think its sexy thats fine lul not that this belongs here but overall its still just a lizard, doing fusions is hardly an issue

[dusty arrow]

i think salazzle could be cool

i like the pattern on its torso, and the colore overall

[outer matrix]

I guess all of the reveals for this batch could count towards the 10th anniversary or something idk

[full bison]

the 10 year anniversary is about 5 months away tho. We'll see what's up around then

[outer matrix]

It's in april(?)...so....

...elemental monkeys as possible reveals

[fresh owl]

I forgot those thigns existed lol

[full bison]

Hey, at least if the monkeys get in, people will get their wish of there being more Triple fusions

If the monkeys get added, and they get Triple Fusions out of it, I'll be sorely disappointed if the triple fusion of the first stages isn't called Panpan

And extra disappointed if it doesn't get alts of it, one holding a fry pan, and another holding a Pansexual pride flag

[fresh owl]

Imagine a fusion where its just the 3 fusees holding hands.

[molten loom]

the triple fusion is actually simispark

[hushed axle]

https://tenor.com/view/simisear-saturday-simisear-gif-23454367

[full bison]

Simisear can finally be the chonky boi it was always meant to be

[mental jungle]

gamers can anyone tell me what the lastest update added new pokemon wise?

i wanna play but ill wait if my silly little guys arent in yet

[brittle crow]

pinned messages

up to 492

[rocky blaze]

i never understood people who think of slazzle that way.. its a LIZARD.

[mental jungle]

ah man.

[fresh owl]

Lopunny: ITS A BUNNY!

[brittle crow]

debug or black market/wt rng required for some of them

[mental jungle]

i wanted to use scrafty. so i guess i shall wait

[rocky blaze]

ok but atleast its a mammal

[fresh owl]

iirc both lopunny and salazzle had influences from you can say....attractive designs

[fresh owl]

Scalies: Am I a joke to you? (nah but you right)

[rocky blaze]

i AM a scalie! i still dont see the point..

(do sharks count as scalies? i think they do)

[full bison]

It's not that hard to see

[steel meadow]

why cant we just have like... not sexualized pokemon in our funny pif game instead?

[full bison]

Thick thighs and bedroom eyes

[median sable]

Wait when will these pokemon be added to the game?

[fresh owl]

Its Sun and Moon entry on the old website is what started all this tbh.

[full bison]

And then there's the dex entries

[rocky blaze]

it is because i dont have the brain of a degen

[brittle crow]

when 6.3 releases officially. dec/jan/feb

[median sable]

Alr thx

[fresh owl]

Like they outright say it can attract males of all species including humans. These writers know what they are doing.

[rocky blaze]

fair enough..

[fresh owl]

not a dex entry for the record; it was a thing on its page on the old Sun and Moon website when it was released

from there the net lost its mind (but like all new things, the novelty wears off)

[rocky blaze]

i still dont see the appeal of pokemon, other then delphox

[full bison]

The dex still uses the phrase "reverse harem," so it's not entirely chaste there

[brittle crow]

[fresh owl]

I like Delphox more than Braixen because fox mage. But we all know what about the discourse around Braixen.

[steel meadow]

i wonder if a mod is watching and ready to us the moment we go into more detail

[fresh owl]

I'm speakign solely of history, not OOO ME WANT

[molten loom]

not a mod, but ready to everyone here

[fresh owl]

What's the phrase? Oh yeah "calm down son its just a drawing."

[steel meadow]

honestly me too

[rocky blaze]

but adding slazzle would have the same problems as lopunny or lucaro or any of the normally sexualized pokemon, and sprites are always pre-approved so i genuinely dont see the issue

[rocky blaze]

god that phrase will never fail to make my blood boil

[fresh owl]

But yeah Salazzle has a cool ability, I feel like it would be broken on some mons maybe?

Though you'd need like what? Another good poison type?

Its not Wonder Guard levels of braindead using fusions but maybe it could be neat?

[viscid fossil]

corrosion salazzle will poison itself with a toxic orb
I just think that's funny

[steel meadow]

too bad toxic orb is the rarest item in the game

[fresh owl]

I'm not the only one who thought Luvdisc evolved into Alolomola right?

[steel meadow]

nice monkey

[median sable]

It doesnt??

[fresh owl]

But naw they just exist. Luvdisc more so.

[fresh owl]

At least Alolomola saw competiteive play in lower tiers because Regenerator is very good

[steel meadow]

i knew it didnt cuz thats the only thing people ever say about alolamola

[full bison]

It's OU these days BTW

[steel meadow]

i just want mienshao for offensive regenerator

[viscid fossil]

people aren't saying that it's a palindrome?

[fresh owl]

woah woah woah; it reverse power creeped?

[steel meadow]

i dont even know if its good but my caveman brain likes the idea of it

[fresh owl]

Give me regenerator Swampert. He's an axotol, they grow back limbs

[full bison]

It got Scald and Pex lost it so it filled in the vacant niche

[fresh owl]

That's neat but then everyoen lost scald so it must be poop in Gen 9

[hushed axle]

Sunflora/Primeape alt that needs to have justice for simisage

[proud lion]

Twas I that created that being

[hushed axle]

I love himb

[fresh owl]

Oooh we coudl make the Wizard of Oz flyign monkeys with Simipour.

[hushed axle]

I used it for a while actually

[fresh owl]

Blue monkey

[full bison]

Scald was reintroduced in teal mask

[steel meadow]

ive never heard that actually

i guess thats neat

[full bison]

And Pex didn't get it

[fresh owl]

i checked otu of pokemone after gen 7

[steel meadow]

allthough girafarig is the only palindrome i need

[fresh owl]

Sword and Shield and Scarlet and Violet are greek to me

[full bison]

The Scarlet and Violet meta is Greek to pretty much everyone TBF, the powercreep was unreal

"Last Gen's OU is this Gen's UU? Nah, this Gen's OU is this Gen's UU."

[steel meadow]

how is garchomp holding up now?

[proud lion]

Cats

[full bison]

Banned from UU

[fresh owl]

I know that one shogun looking pawniard mon is busted because its ability or w/e

[steel meadow]

nice fat cat

[steel meadow]

so still holding up kinda, thats fun

[fresh owl]

So the left is a cat that runs around on land and sucks you until you are just bones right?

That's the thign wtih Gorebyss right?

it drains the organs or w/e

[steel meadow]

goat

[viscid fossil]

is that not normal behavior for cats

[steel meadow]

actually if you had to guess the body pokemon for this what would u guess?

[molten loom]

Hypno?

[steel meadow]

Yes!

I got some complaints that it wasnt super readable as hypno but like what else could it be

[velvet root]

Its that one Psychic type people see as Pfile cuz of one dex

[cedar path]

mr mime?

or hypno i guess

[tulip zephyr]

Because it's not. A palindrome is a word or phrase that can be read identically no matter whether it's backwards or forwards.
Alolamola
Alomalola

[hot hamlet]

It’s spelt Alomomola

[dusty arrow]

isnt it alomomola

yeah

[tulip zephyr]

That's not how it got spelled earlier 🤷

[hot hamlet]

That is literally a palindrome

[dusty arrow]

also

[tulip zephyr]

That's not how it got spelled, and I genuinely forgot that was a pokemon, lol
#pif-hoenn-discussion message

[hot hamlet]

Oh so you were pointing out a spelling error in the other person’s post

[tulip zephyr]

Not intentionally. 😅

[hot hamlet]

I was just pointing out the actual mon is a palindrome

[dusty arrow]

i actually support mightyena for one reason

[hot hamlet]

Pupper?

[tulip zephyr]

And I'm not arguing that now.

Spelling errors can lead to numerous misunderstandings.

[dusty arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/infinite-gif-9838206

[hot hamlet]

As someone who is more frequently on his phone when talking here, I get it

[dusty arrow]

i like his theme

[hot hamlet]

There’s a reason I have a certain gif on quick access

https://tenor.com/view/throw-phone-gif-5747280

[tulip zephyr]

Autocorrupt.

That's what my mom and I call autocorrect.

[dusty arrow]

had autocorrect turned off for years

aint turning it on

[hot hamlet]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h08LbgbENOA
dunno how you feel about mashups but this combined all his battle themes into a single song

[tulip zephyr]

But nah, honestly, I've never seen that pokemon's name for longer than three seconds in my life. It's so forgettable. So I saw the multiple cases of the spelling and figured that was its name, noticed the non-palindrome name get called a palindrome, and figured somebody just didn't read it right.

[hot hamlet]

Nah. Spelling issue
But I get it

[tulip zephyr]

Probably doesn't help that I'm in minor grammar OCD mode, since one of the games I was playing earlier (which is supposed to be scientific) had "fishes" instead of "fish."
("Fishes" isn't a valid plural, as fish itself is both plural and single, just like "sheep")

[dusty arrow]

i am now going to annoy you

meese

[tulip zephyr]

That's just a meme.

[hot hamlet]

And I’m in wordsmith mode since I actually have spare time to write my book for once in a while and I wanna get in the mindset

[dusty arrow]

dies

(of death)