pif-hoenn-discussion

[grave jolt]

Iis it not?

[zealous lichen]

nope teh only weakness electric has is ground

[grave jolt]

only ground

dang

[clear lichen]

Duraludon has above average Defence and SpA

That's about all it has going for it

Low HP

Pathetic SpD

[grave jolt]

Wait Jolteon/Ninjask is strictly better than Ninjask lmao

[zealous lichen]

even still I dont think it should have gotten one plent of 1 stage pokemon dont have competetive use

[clear lichen]

Slightly below average Attack

Which sucks when you're using special attacks all the time anyways

Since those stats could've went into something else

And below average speed

[grave jolt]

Lower Atk, Raise Speed

[clear lichen]

It also doesn't have the greatest movepool

Archaludon was a bit overboard though

Despite having low special bulk, Archaludon actually has respectable HP

Its SpA is still good

And its Defence received a good buff

I think the speed is the same

The biggest buff is Stamina and the signature

These factors gave it a 90% win rate on Rain teams in Singles, where it was the major catalyst to rain teams being this broken

It was banned as a result

[zealous lichen]

I think giving Duraladon a signiture move and ability would have fixed it well enough

[clear lichen]

Archaludon takes on all the bulkier Pokemon and Barraskewda blitzed all the frail offensive Pokemon

That's the extremely simplified version

Though obviously it's a lot more complex than that

I dont trust myself to explain it properly

[full bison]

Gen 9 revived the Weather Wars that plagued all of Gen 5 is how I'd explainit

except this time Sandstorm was way less viable so it was more Rain vs Sun

[zealous lichen]

I am happy with the weather stuff its always fun

wish there was more than just the 4 though

[clear lichen]

Gen 9 easily has the most bans of any generation

Though some of it is "why the fuck was this allowed lmfao" like Flutter Mane, Last Respects and Regieleki

And Terapagos

[full bison]

Early Gen 9 UU was last gen's OU

[clear lichen]

That said there's still a lot more than just those 4

[full bison]

Late Gen 9 UU was early Gen 9 OU

[zealous lichen]

Terapagos is only going to last 1 gen and thats it

[clear lichen]

Terapagos is eerily similar to Zygarde

Both have 600 BST in their initial, not necessarily broken forms

And have a bit of a high commitment 2nd form

With 700 BST for Terapagos

And 708 for Zygarde

But it's still a 700+ BST mon

[full bison]

Terastalization going bye-bye makes me feel like it's gonna be stuck in the same Ubers superposition as Naganadel and Genesect

[zealous lichen]

yeah but Terapagos requires Terastylising which will no longer be a thing

[clear lichen]

That has high bulk and good set up potential

[clear lichen]

(Though I believe Base Zygarde has been banned before, I just can't remember where)

[zealous lichen]

yeah its a good wall for sure

[clear lichen]

If Zygarde gets added it better get a fusion referencing ||Messmer's 2nd phase (from Elden Ring) simply because they're both serpents, one is called a base serpent and the other is the base form of a Pokemon. Is this stupid? Yes, yes it is, but it is hilarious||

[zealous lichen]

oh I dont know anything about Elden Ring lol

[clear lichen]

Just random stupid thoughts that'd be funny

Don't worry

[full bison]

I wonder how good Zygarde 10 would be as fusion material

[clear lichen]

Tbf, there are a lot of Fromsoftware references

So I don't think I'd need to have said that for someone to get the stupid idea

[zealous lichen]

the only Fromsoftware game I have really enjoyed was AC6

[full bison]

Objectively the weakest one, but it still passes Thousand Arrows along

[clear lichen]

Zygarde 10% might actually be balanced

If Power Construct is banned ofc

But if it is broken on both Pokemon with it (technically 1 Pokemon but shut) then it'd be banned

Zygarde 10% has poor bulk, poor SpA and mediocre Attack

With its only upside being high speed

[zealous lichen]

I have never used Zygarde since it isnt a game I have played

[clear lichen]

I dont use it a lot either

[zealous lichen]

I really want a speedy Rock/Ice type in the future

[clear lichen]

As in, Rock/Ice or Rock or Ice

[zealous lichen]

the first one

[clear lichen]

I'd prefer if they were paired with something that can hit Steel

But yeah we definitely need to see those types not be misutilised

[zealous lichen]

oh I just love Ice and Rock types in general and that isnt a combo that has been used much at all

[clear lichen]

The glass cannon types getting a slow bulky build

Insane

[zealous lichen]

lol

I really want to beat RR in a nuzlocke

[glass patio]

i want announcement 😔

[molten latch]

Same

[bitter comet]

I’m starting to think that my prediction of a new mon being revealed on the 12th might be wrong

[molten latch]

True

Idk what's Frog up to.

[glass patio]

ofc he’s coding minior

[molten latch]

[glass patio]

gn chat

[molten latch]

Goodnight. I dont think so. Tho Minior may have the chance.

[prime dust]

https://tenor.com/view/eventually-finally-amanda-gif-5156866

[grave jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-spongebob-time-cards-can-gif-25692284

[molten loom]

https://tenor.com/view/toy-story2-cleaner-you-cant-rush-art-rush-art-impatient-client-gif-20473209

[humble lance]

https://tenor.com/view/judge-judy-times-up-what-time-is-it-gif-5714654

[molten loom]

But also tomorrow is Friday the 13th so something special could happen

[hot hamlet]

Server dies

Frog trips on a power cord

[last pecan]

friday 13th,,,

friday

5th day of the week,,

pokemon 513, pansear

and you know whos the least voting pokemon

simisear

aka

the least lucky pokemon

IT ALL LINES UP

THE PANSEAR LINE IS ANNOUNCED TOMORROW

[proud lion]

[last pecan]

HEED MY WORDS SPRITERS, YOU LAUGH AND YET YOU WILL RUE THE DAY

[proud lion]

But I am fellow monki believer

[molten loom]

If frog does something for Friday the 13th I think Gourgeist would make more sense because spooky time

[full bison]

October is just a few weeks away

[fallen loom]

and people complain about how the body fusions of regional forms would look too similar

[hot zodiac]

on my hands and knees for abomasnow god bless

[humble lance]

https://tenor.com/view/hmmm-mmmm-monkey-turtle-kung-fu-panda-gif-17129341

[full bison]

I'd love Abomasnow because Snow Warning

Snow Warning is super annoying to get RN

[hot zodiac]

yea

i just like big guy

abomasnow's cute

[fallen loom]

Binacle so we get Tough Claws

[full bison]

Ninetales, Politoed, and Ttar are all super accessible, meanwhile the only Snow Warning Pokemon we have are Aurorus who can't get their HA without Randomizer mode, or Santa Bird

[molten latch]

I love these knuckleheads

Such goons

[fallen loom]

give us the Ability Patch in-game

should I request it?

[hot hamlet]

Knuckle-Binacle hands
Heads-Zweilous
I love it

[full bison]

Tough Claws plus Shell Smash is spicy AF, I love the idea of transferring that kind of thing

[full bison]

I say go for it

[fallen loom]

just I've requested a lot lately

Rotom with appliance form BST and unavailable TMs being added

[grave jolt]

God fuckin damnit every time I see this I nearly die

[zealous lichen]

you guys should watch the new Enlarged Kai video about wailord

[unkempt stone]

It's likely just like, either coding things or them having to actually decide on all the ones to add in first before they go for it

[humble lance]

hope that means a spoopy new mon
maybe pumpkaboo and gourgeist

[tame trellis]

friday the 13th means they will add sabeleye pls

[tender plank]

What

[lofty fiber]

sableye's already in the game

[humble lance]

woah sableye would be a really cool addition

i hope sableye will make it into the game

[tender plank]

They should totally be Pokemon 421 in the dex

[tame trellis]

for real i dont think he is tho ive never seen my lil fella

[humble lance]

nah they should be # 469

[lofty fiber]

from the PFI wiki

[humble lance]

sounds fake idk

[tame trellis]

Well shi is it new you think? i havenbt played in about a year

[lofty fiber]

think it might've been added before a lotta mons

[humble lance]

(it was added last year around august lol)

numbers 421-470 all were added last year from around august to the new year

sableye was the first new addition with bruxish and cresselia being the last additions

[wet cliff]

add Drapion.

[humble lance]

add luxio

[viral thorn]

Add me

[hot hamlet]

Add Vanilite

[meager canyon]

add 763 metric tons of concrete

[tender plank]

Add fusion

[deft obsidian]

add ice type magikarp

[silent acorn]

Add poke

[dull adder]

holy shit 500 Pokémon

I need the monkey trio please I need my boy simipour

I don’t even play the game but simipour will be the final push

[lofty fiber]

I do find it a bit weird we're getting the Kalos starters before the Unova starters

allegedly

[velvet root]

They won last years vote

[humble lance]

people like kalos and alola starters more than unova starters

[molten latch]

Imagine if Gen 7 won over Gen 5

[finite reef]

Lets add Heatran, Alomolomalamola and the Tapus to absolutely ruin competitive

[humble lance]

are those actually good in competitive?

[finite reef]

Heatran is Heatran
Alomomola is a bulky water with wish + regen, a unique combo by itself
The Tapus are the Tapus

[deft obsidian]

Heatran is good because typing and move pool, but in fusion meta won't change anything.

[finite reef]

Heatran can get recovery

Also, an actually decent Flash Fire user would be nice (Chandelure doesnt exactly have a defensive presence)

[full bison]

Flash Fire on a Bug/Steel type or Grass/Steel type would be incredible

[full bison]

If we really wanna ruin Competitive, we add Swoobat

[finite reef]

Swoobat is really frail though with poor types, it probably won't be a better setup sweeper than Hymega

[velvet root]

Hell no

[humble lance]

how can u resist that face

[velvet root]

Cuz fwog

[hollow creek]

For as much as I hope we get an announcement in the next 3 days idk

[eager jungle]

add comfey

[humble lance]

add stun seed

[finite reef]

Triage is getting banned if it ever becomes legal (thankfully)

[eager jungle]

imagine a a comfey/yveltal with oblivion wing

[hollow creek]

TRUEEE!

[velvet root]

Klefki 2.0

[simple gulch]

what people

[prime dust]

us people

[simple gulch]

seedot

[prime dust]

we made that clear with the pre 6.0 community vote

[simple gulch]

the ratio is almost the same, just a bit more for kalos

[fathom ridge]

When is the next announcement going to be

[paper tartan]

Is anyone alive?

[fathom ridge]

Im not dead (I think)

[paper tartan]

hey azul how are you

[fathom ridge]

Im in need of the next Pokémon

[paper tartan]

Do we know when the update is coming?

[fathom ridge]

Nope

Probably it will take a while with all the new mons

There is a pinned message here with all the info that frogman had shared

[simple gulch]

they will add smoliv

[paper tartan]

smoliv superiority

[fathom ridge]

If only gen8+ were considered

[simple gulch]

https://www.fusiondex.org/sprite/pif/400c/ we have smoliv

[velvet root]

Just dead inside

[paper tartan]

Any lurkers?

[velvet root]

Latest date is November but it cam come earlyer

[fathom ridge]

I really have to do smoliv fusions as alts for the roserade line

[velvet root]

Smoliv/Skiddo when?

[paper tartan]

When are we getting the dino bikes

[simple gulch]

:v sclyzar,

[fathom ridge]

Did I compromise myself to do that one? I remember maybe I did

[velvet root]

We cant say

[paper tartan]

Here’s the question

[simple gulch]

between goat vs isopod, which u will take

[velvet root]

Gen 8+9 may never come except if frogmn changes His mind

[velvet root]

Goat

[paper tartan]

How much horsepower does Miriadon create

What’s it’s torque

[simple gulch]

1 horse

[fathom ridge]

The dinobikes are great

[paper tartan]

How many gears

Can it go in reverse?

DOES IT HAVE A REVERSING CAMERA?

[simple gulch]

did u know horse cant walk back ward

[velvet root]

I mean they made a real bike designed after miraidon

[paper tartan]

They did?

[velvet root]

Have to drive
See you all

[velvet root]

Mercedes did I think

[paper tartan]

Sick

[fathom ridge]

i just realized it is already done #1243359903960137759 message

[velvet root]

Lol

[silk narwhal]

Wasn't it Toyota

Yeah it was Toyota

Why would it be Mercedes lmao

[velvet root]

Idk

[regal stirrup]

[willow axle]

You can contact Aegide, if you need help with anything related to the fusion bot.

[stuck cave]

Someday I'll do the others when I stop being forgetful

Arbolivia slays

[simple gulch]

how about now

[stuck cave]

https://tenor.com/view/9to5-working9to5-dolly-parton-gif-11693482

[simple gulch]

working 7 to 8 🗿

its 7 am to 8 pm

[stuck cave]

Bestie thats not-

[proud lion]

I wonder when we will have another movie night in the future?

[cunning geyser]

Wait is that a thing? Is that the special ping?

[last pecan]

i had an actual dream about the frog adding minior last night, that means its gonna happen

[proud lion]

What if it’s

The

https://tenor.com/view/beheeyem-pokemon-gen-5-alien-unova-gif-5592538168491571001

[twin phoenix]

Beheeyem's shiny should have been Elgyem green.

That's what this gif is having me think.

[proud lion]

Oh Frog overlords, please give us a sign on what the next potential reveal time will be. Maybe if we will be getting a teaser before the reveal

https://tenor.com/view/kittew-gif-23901607

[sinful smelt]

That would be neat! Like a riddle or something

[stuck bane]

I’d love more reveals like riddles or puzzles and stuff (I actually kind of miss reaction milestones even)

[twin phoenix]

Same, riddles and hints are fun.

[cunning geyser]

Say my name and I disappear. What am I?

The answer is what we will get.

[proud lion]

Kinda like what they did before

[stuck bane]

“React with 500,000 for frog to add every Pokémon to the game! You have 48 hours! GO!”

[proud lion]

Like he can just put up an emoji of a bell and speculations would go through the roof

Or he can bring back

THE BEACH

[stuck bane]

You son of a beach im in

[twin phoenix]

Being new, I have no idea about these events, but I'm sure they were a lot of fun.

[cunning geyser]

They sound like it. Here's to hoping there are a few more in the future.

[twin phoenix]

Oh, getting rid of the yellow role was a pretty clever hint for the Kalos starters.

[stuck bane]

Yeah they were, the trubbish reveal was hidden in a play test version of the update, so many good ones

[proud lion]

Justice for Yellow

Remember the Sandygast and Necrozma leaks

[twin phoenix]

Perhaps it will come back as a yellow mon among the mons in the next batch.

[proud lion]

Helioptile line perhaps

[twin phoenix]

I was thinking of Chingling and Chimecho.

[stuck bane]

God dammit you’re gonna make me look it up aren’t you

[twin phoenix]

That's a good one too.

[proud lion]

https://tenor.com/view/heliolisk-i-am-rapidly-approaching-your-location-running-goofy-ahh-gif-25703285

[steel meadow]

Out of the fully evolved ones here id want leavanny the most. If we count that as yellow

This is all the pokemon categorized as yellow btw.

[last pecan]

the regi hunt was like a whole puzzle quest

you found one puzzle, solve it, leads to the next, keep going till you finish

even the boring reveals of "react to this message" still had hints

[proud lion]

Like the fossil ones

[last pecan]

yea

oh frog i beg 🙏

please do something soon

[steel meadow]

My predicition was friday announcment

Its friday for 9 more hours in my country

[grave jolt]

Morning besties, how goes the pokemon-ing

[proud lion]

“This Snorlax is asleep on the new reveal! React with 1000 🔔 s to wake him up!”

[steel meadow]

Morning pachi

[last pecan]

Canada has got a solid 18 hours and im p sure frog is canadian

[grave jolt]

🪈

[steel meadow]

I think the frog still tries to do the announcment in the middle of the day in his timezone cuz ive never seen like a 3am eu time announcement from him

[last pecan]

"I see something in space, react with 5000 🔭s to zoom in"

[grave jolt]

Anyway, what pokemon do you think would forrage under snorlax?

[steel meadow]

bidoof

[grave jolt]

I think most bug types would fit there

[last pecan]

i wish frog would tell us vaguely when the next announcement would be 😔 i feel like silksong all over again

[molten loom]

Ok since today is a spooky day (Friday the 13th) what could possibly be special to reveal

[last pecan]

even if its a "next week" at least thats smth

[last pecan]

i hope 🙏

[steel meadow]

Im not having my hopes up too high for the announcment. The chance that it will involve something im really excited for is like 5%

[steel meadow]

Is there any obvious ghosts..?

[grave jolt]

Spheal painted orange

[molten loom]

Gourgeist

[steel meadow]

My brain is only thinking of pumpkaboo

[cunning geyser]

Morning seb, morning Pachi.

[steel meadow]

Is this us morning?

[cunning geyser]

9:40 est

[steel meadow]

Hmm yes.

[molten loom]

Frog announcement will just be a picture of an orange ball, which we will guess what it is

[steel meadow]

Ive been awake for 12 hours

[twin phoenix]

A ghost type? Praying for Marshadow or Blacephalon because I love legends too much.

[cunning geyser]

My day starts at 4:30, so.

[steel meadow]

What would be your preferred legend of all of the non pifs that are eligible?

[proud lion]

https://tenor.com/view/mogus-sussy-dance-gif-25944664

[cunning geyser]

Was marshadow 7?

[steel meadow]

I think so

[twin phoenix]

Diancie.

[last pecan]

the chart on the right i think are the most likely mons to get in

[steel meadow]

Thats my second pick

[last pecan]

Kartana if that counts

[steel meadow]

Shaymin #1

[molten loom]

You know the fact it could be an Amoonguss reveal does fit

[twin phoenix]

Or Shaymin or Nihilego.

[proud lion]

Didn’t he say no legendaries/mythicals?

[cunning geyser]

Oh Diancie would make beautiful crystalline fusions

[steel meadow]

It does and its probably my preferewd ub

[last pecan]

none of them could get Voted in

[molten loom]

For votes, he thinks they could be done more special and they take more effort

[last pecan]

he adds them when he wants

[steel meadow]

Have u seen ribbons diancie fusions? (i always spread them around )

[last pecan]

i dont doubt a legend

i doubt cosmog

[twin phoenix]

I forgot about Frillish!

[proud lion]

Jessie and James BW Moment

[cunning geyser]

What? What? No, show me pleasepleaseplease

[steel meadow]

Jellicent is kinda mid

[last pecan]

Nihilego is the legend i think is most likely

[cunning geyser]

[steel meadow]

Download this sheet and marvel at them

Its a bit outdatwd now but whatever its plenty to look at

[cunning geyser]

I've only seen what's on the infinite dex site

[stuck bane]

Yellow options:
Beautifly
Pelipper
Makuhita
Manectric
Plusle/minun
Lunatone
Mothim
Vespiquen
Chingling
Uxie
Victini
Leavanny
Scraggy
Archeops
Deerling (pink in Gen 7)
Mienfoo
Keldeo
Heliolisk
Dedenne
Ribombee
Tapu koko
Zeraora

[steel meadow]

I took a screenshot of thus earlier ^

[stuck bane]

Yeah but the serebii one doesn’t include Gen 7

[cunning geyser]

Pelipper, Plusle/Minun, Vespiqueen

[steel meadow]

Oh it missed the bee

[inland jewel]

releases have always been notoriously based on EST

[cunning geyser]

Those are my top 3 hopes

Barring legendaries, I mean.

[inland jewel]

so as long as its not afternoon/evening of EST then you g

[steel meadow]

plusle and minun

wait wrong bonk emote

[stuck bane]

If yellow, leavanny ribombee scraggy archeops Deerling Mienfoo victini are my biggest hopes

[cunning geyser]

Vespiqueen would make beautiful queen fusions, main reason for that one

[steel meadow]

Leavanny was mine

[steel meadow]

Is that all of unovan yellows?

[proud lion]

The monkeys

https://tenor.com/view/trollge-gif-1693187712214218511

[stuck bane]

No, I ironically don’t want keldeo for MLP fusions

[last pecan]

most likely yellow:
Numel imo

[cunning geyser]

I missed Mienfoo. Replace The pikatwins with that. Purely for Shao.

[last pecan]

frog likes completing important counterparts

[stuck bane]

I still have to rep keldeo because unova slander, but it’s not my favorite

[proud lion]

Lilligant:

[stuck bane]

“Important” counterparts sure

[last pecan]

he added Amaura when Tyrunt got voted in, and Sableye after Mawile

[grave jolt]

I was trying to make Pumpkin Spheal and ended up with just a pumpkin

[steel meadow]

Gothitelle is definetly one of the counterparts i think they might want to finish

[last pecan]

Sharpedo and Camerupt are Magma and Aqua

[proud lion]

Zangoose and Seviper tho?

[steel meadow]

Camerupt is awesome

Especially cuz hero.drawing fusions

[cunning geyser]

Zangoose and Seviper would be amazing

[stuck bane]

Camerupt would be a nice addition, but he’s far from the only counterpart needing completion

[last pecan]

eh, i dont see Lilligant and Gothitelle being prioritized

[slim nexus]

Gothitelle is goated

[cunning geyser]

Imagine the snake designs we would get from Sev when Arbok has already been amazing

[last pecan]

he likes counterparts but he also values, value

[proud lion]

If Zangoose gets in, we can get an EpicGuitar (Flipnote Hatena moment) reference

[slim nexus]

It would be so awesome

It would be so cool

[steel meadow]

What counter part are you even hinting at then?

Both gothitelle and liligant has value

[last pecan]

what does a Gothitelle body add that a Gardevoir body does not have

[last pecan]

Camurupt

[slim nexus]

Bows

[cunning geyser]

That's actually pretty fair

[slim nexus]

And stupid legs

[twin phoenix]

SOMEONE SAID GOTHITELLE?!

[unkempt kernel]

Real (hopefully the other 2 evos would look good)

[steel meadow]

Its another humanoid for the billion humanoid spriters we have

[last pecan]

another

key word

[twin phoenix]

What does it add that Garde doesn't? The colors black, blue, and purple!

[slim nexus]

Haven't drawn them yet

[steel meadow]

Ur time to shine pinkpalkia

[slim nexus]

I might tho

I drew it for litwick day :)

[twin phoenix]

Goth spiral curls!

[steel meadow]

camerupt is another cow by that logic

Kinda.

[last pecan]

you can have more unique humanoid types
Salazzle or Pangoro are both good options

[twin phoenix]

Constellation or star related effects.

[slim nexus]

Here's this too

[steel meadow]

Ew salazzle

[unkempt kernel]

Yeah fair, I’m no artist but ik how long it can take from artist friends, looks good tho

[slim nexus]

I lost motivation, but I might start drawing them again :)

[last pecan]

Salazzle got 3rd on the popular vote

[steel meadow]

I wouldnt say either of those are humanoid btw

[slim nexus]

Salazzle has good typing and the patterns are really cool

[steel meadow]

This is why we dont need democracy in this world

[slim nexus]

But I can't trust people with that lizard

[steel meadow]

I dont trust the lizard with gamefreak even

Puts the freak in the game smh

[last pecan]

i truly believe my chart has a very likely chance, (croagunk can also be swapped out for cutiefly or drilbur)

[cunning geyser]

Seb. Seb we need Diancie.

I just finished looking at the chart

[last pecan]

based on what happened last year

[molten loom]

It would be a good way to clean out some people that aren't needed here

[slim nexus]

Yeah

[steel meadow]

yeah its awesome

Ribbon is amazing.

[slim nexus]

Ribbon is doing an amazing job

[cunning geyser]

There's a reason I've been pretty much expressly writing dex entries on their work. It's all so p r e t t y

[proud lion]

Two Words: Pal. World.

[cunning geyser]

Do not get me started on that fan girls raid

[slim nexus]

What does pal world have to do with anything?

[cunning geyser]

They're talking about Lovander. The salazzle joke of palworld

[slim nexus]

Oh

[cunning geyser]

But so, so much worse

[slim nexus]

Lovander

Yeah

[steel meadow]

I dont know any pals from the world

[molten loom]

Never seen it

[slim nexus]

Salazzle is better in every way

Lovander's design grosses me out

[cunning geyser]

The design is fine

Well...no

[steel meadow]

Isnt every pokemon equivalent from palworld better in every way

[cunning geyser]

No it isnt

[proud lion]

Did you notice what number in the dex it was?

[cunning geyser]

No I didnt now shut

[slim nexus]

69?

Iirc

[grave jolt]

It's the cutest thing imaginable

[cunning geyser]

[steel meadow]

Dont google lovander.

[molten loom]

Too late

[cunning geyser]

If it weren't for the obvious bait....sections of the design, I wouldn't hate the look of it.

[slim nexus]

Oh hey

Firesword

[molten loom]

Hello

[slim nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/video-game-game-interface-battle-buttons-fight-gif-26043675

[molten loom]

Yes

[slim nexus]

I don't remember you being blue

[molten loom]

I

[slim nexus]

It couldve been like that for a while

[steel meadow]

Theyve been blue for a few days i think

[grave jolt]

Don't hate the design, hate the community who did that to the design :/

[twin phoenix]

Game Freak needs to make a Maple tree Pokémon..

[molten loom]

I've been blue since the color roles technically

[steel meadow]

They need to make more autumn colored grass types in general

[cunning geyser]

Trevanant regional form that isnt malicious?

[molten loom]

~~But I became an applicant when they disappeared ~~

[twin phoenix]

Actually.. would autumn Sawsbuck count?

[steel meadow]

No

Sawsbuck doesnt exist in my world

Deerling is a one stage evo

[molten loom]

Would Sawsbuck be Saws/buck for fusions

[cunning geyser]

Sawsbuck might be bland, but be fair. They've done worse

[slim nexus]

Sawsbuck is cool tho :(

[last pecan]

WRONG we love sawsbuck

[steel meadow]

Oh theyve done worse than sawsbuck

[molten loom]

So we could do starmie/Sawsbuck for starbuck

[last pecan]

Sawsbuck is in my top 15 mons to be added

[slim nexus]

We have starbok

[steel meadow]

But i dont like it still

[last pecan]

4 seasons in 1 mon is Very cool

[molten loom]

Ik

[cunning geyser]

That aspect, yes

[last pecan]

you dont like any mons smhsmh

[steel meadow]

I do

I like like atleast 2 pokemon!

[molten loom]

Also Mr. Buck which will be a capitalist

[slim nexus]

Do you like wobbuffet though?

[cunning geyser]

I just wish they had embodied the season aspect more than just...deer.

[last pecan]

do you like minior

[steel meadow]

I just dont like any that you like apparently

[molten loom]

And Saws Jr. Who wants to play a game

[steel meadow]

I love minior. Wobuffet is okay

[last pecan]

i dont Like salazzle

[slim nexus]

I do, now answer my question

[last pecan]

i just think its very likely

its why i made a "i want these" list and a "these are likely" list

[twin phoenix]

Salazzle is poo. She was weak in my Moon playthrough, not even that great looking, and wasn't worth the effort of finding a female Salandit.

[steel meadow]

I pray that frog will gatekeep salazzle

Gender base evos fucking suck

I want a girl gallade.

[twin phoenix]

I love Froslass!

[steel meadow]

Oh some of them are cool

[molten loom]

Gender based evos don't exist in IF

[cunning geyser]

I do genuinely believe that even if salazzle is added, some of you guys would make legitimately pretty tribal designs

[steel meadow]

I just dont like that theyre forcing genders on my funny creatures.

[molten loom]

You can evolve a female kirlia into gallade

[cunning geyser]

Not just...rule 2 junk

[humble lance]

theres no gender locked evos in pif

thats exactly why i want salazzle

not really but u get it

[last pecan]

thats why i want COMBEE BABY WOOOO

[steel meadow]

Combee is cool

[cunning geyser]

[steel meadow]

One of the bugs no one is talking about

[last pecan]

i loveee Combee

[steel meadow]

(I think i like almost every bug though)

[humble lance]

male slazles woooooo

[last pecan]

Combee's in my 15 list

[cunning geyser]

Combee and Vespiqueen would be great

[twin phoenix]

Underrated queen.

[last pecan]

more honey fusions lets go

[cunning geyser]

Absolutely

Honey, Queenly, dresses

[steel meadow]

Do you like every pokemon with a dress motif?

[cunning geyser]

Hey, dresses are awesome

[last pecan]

i like how combee is 3 little guys

[cunning geyser]

[steel meadow]

Oh yeah im not looking down on them if they do

[twin phoenix]

Jynx, not very much.

[cunning geyser]

Comblett

[steel meadow]

Dresses are very awesome

Oh fucking jynx exists mb

[cunning geyser]

Wait would a combtrio just be a huge combee

[steel meadow]

I really wish gamefreak just deleted jynx somehow instead of "fixing" its design

[molten loom]

We don't really talk about jynx

[steel meadow]

Combee thats rotated into the ground

[molten loom]

In fact we barely acknowledge it exists

[steel meadow]

Jynx has awesome fusions in pif though

[humble lance]

vespiquen is funny
queen isnt even in its name
its quen

[molten loom]

I've totally forgotten it exists before

[cunning geyser]

So- to be fair- IF has a lot of REALLY pretty jynx fusions

[steel meadow]

And some absolute stinkers.

[twin phoenix]

I do love dresses.. and making characters to dress up.

I just don't wear them irl. :/

[cunning geyser]

Jynx alone, nah. But the fusions are so pretty

[molten loom]

I bet you'll have fun with the character customization and putting hats on pokemon

[twin phoenix]

Jynx fusions are wonderful~

[steel meadow]

As a guy ive worn a dress once

[twin phoenix]

I'm not allowed to use my Furina hat because it's a reference.

[humble lance]

hell yeah

[steel meadow]

Was not the best. We had gender swap day for a class photo

[humble lance]

they aint for me but u go dude

[molten loom]

You can't submit it, doesn't mean you can't add it to your game does it

[steel meadow]

Oh its definetly not for me either but it was an experience.

[humble lance]

lol

fair nough

[steel meadow]

Let me say i got more respect for anyone that wear dresses and heels now

[humble lance]

lol

[cunning geyser]

I hope Gatsby caps are added

[fathom ridge]

You can’t have references in the character customization?

[steel meadow]

Shit fucking hurts.

[cunning geyser]

If my icon didn't give that away xD

[cunning geyser]

Oh hell nah to heels dude. That hurts after a long day

[humble lance]

i tried skirts and dresses and hate wearing them

[cunning geyser]

I have worn them like twice ever. Hate.

[hot hamlet]

Tbf, most cats hate getting dressed up

[twin phoenix]

I asked in #1198414970744995961 about references, someone said no.
I have to learn to manually add custom reference stuff into the files.

[humble lance]

i did however start collecting ties some time ago
ties are so fun

[fathom ridge]

Would something like a Mario hat be a reference out of nowhere

[twin phoenix]

Oh, other fan games and not in general?

[cunning geyser]

Mismagius themed witch hat.

[slim nexus]

They're ight

I mean

[fathom ridge]

Ohh that’s a good idea

[slim nexus]

Women in dresses are pretty

I can't pull them off myself tho

[fathom ridge]

I if do a sprite for the character customization it would be a blue top hat

[steel meadow]

Im convinced anyone can pull of a sundress

[deft obsidian]

What reference?

[humble lance]

women in suits..... handsome

[steel meadow]

and if you say no youre lying.

[slim nexus]

I don't think I've ever worn a sundress

[twin phoenix]

My Furina hat. I want my mons to wear her hat.

[molten loom]

This is the only thing I think mentions it in #1198414970744995961 , but I did only look at the pins for it

[cunning geyser]

Suits do look good, but they're so stiff.

[humble lance]

i think they just need to be fitted

[slim nexus]

Tbh

Fem clothing isn't my thing

[cunning geyser]

I wish I could wear hoodies forever, but summer and work and all that other nasty junk exists

[molten loom]

Might be better to ask frog about it

[slim nexus]

I'm a t shirt and shorts truther

[steel meadow]

who can afford a fitted suit?

[humble lance]

oh big mood

dysphoria hoodie save me

save me dysphoria hoodie

[steel meadow]

this. and when its not weather for it i wear a hoodie

[slim nexus]

I wear a hoodie most of the time

I have since I was a kid

Which is weird since I grew up in arizona

Which is

[proud lion]

So no Super Mario Outfits

[slim nexus]

Very hot

[cunning geyser]

I have an eevee themed hoodie I wear on weekends. It is the most comfortable thing I own.

[deft obsidian]

But you can do it yourself?

[cunning geyser]

Got little ear tassles and everything

[slim nexus]

But like

[steel meadow]

Ew hot areas

[slim nexus]

Masc clothing is so peak

Skirts are just not my thing

[cunning geyser]

Skirts are uncomfortable tbh

[slim nexus]

I think I've worn a crop top once

I didn't really like it

[cunning geyser]

But I dont really like shorts either. Joey be damned

[twin phoenix]

I like clothing from both genders. I would love to wear a fitted suit and I would love to wear a lolita dress.

[slim nexus]

I wore a hoodie over it

[cunning geyser]

No skin. Ever. Coccoon me.

[twin phoenix]

Oh right, I prefer to be mostly covered. Long sleeves always.

I like Pokémon that look dapper like Empoleon.

[cunning geyser]

There's a reason I haaaate summer

[slim nexus]

Long sleeves my beloved

I don't like attracting attention

[unkempt kernel]

Damn can’t request the Makoto Yuki fit or Miku magician Mirai 2023 outfit and hair (probably both out of place refs, tho we do have a few Miku assets Alr)

[slim nexus]

So I don't like to that much skin

[cunning geyser]

Big same

But I am, admittedly, also a wee bit of a shut in

[hot hamlet]

Somebody say Dapper?

[cunning geyser]

Hold up

[slim nexus]

True

I don't like being stared at

It freaks me out

[cunning geyser]

Is that bisharp with lopunny

[fathom ridge]

The roserade/machamp is just peak dapper

[slim nexus]

I need to make a lopunny fusion

[hot hamlet]

Yes

[twin phoenix]

Is that Willy Wonka?!

[cunning geyser]

I didn't even see the champ oh my god

[slim nexus]

Might make a lurantis/lopunny

[deft obsidian]

Yes lopunny bisharp

[cunning geyser]

That sounds so pretty

[slim nexus]

It has already been made

Sadge

[cunning geyser]

Okay, making the lop and champ and putting them in my "Aesthetics" box

[hot hamlet]

I tried to request a Meloetta/Lurantis that was all hipster, using Lurantis’s red eyes as glasses and giving Melo the pants.
Went unclaimed

[cunning geyser]

So make an alt!

[fathom ridge]

I want to do a lurantis fusion, maybe I’ll do lurantis/magnezone or even lurantis/bisharp but that one would be very hard for me

[slim nexus]

That's a good idea

[cunning geyser]

I know it's better to make new stuff usually, but imho you should make what you feel inspired to

[slim nexus]

I might make that

[cunning geyser]

I would make requests, but like- you guys are the ones doing the work so it makes me feel guilty?

[hot hamlet]

I currently have another Non-IF request that I figured was up ZeroCypher’s alley.
Kommo-o/Scolipede.
Only notes I have was “Scales+Centipede=Bootleg Falinks”

[fathom ridge]

Idk I like looking at requests for ideas

[cunning geyser]

Falinks is (are?) so cute

[twin phoenix]

When people request something super difficult, I remember why I chose to apply for spriter in the first place.

[cunning geyser]

All I'm good for is writing. And I'm still nervous doing that, because I know it's so much easier than what you guys do.

[fathom ridge]

That’s true is falink the group? Would a singular member of that group have a different name?

[hot hamlet]

Falinks is the name of the mon. I’d imagine Falink is the name of an individual orb

[cunning geyser]

Falink singular, because Wynaut

[hot hamlet]

Proposal: A Phalanx of Falinks

Or Legion

Or Division

[fathom ridge]

It would be cool if Falinks got an evolution or a pre evo

[unkempt kernel]

Probs Legion since Phalanx is a specific troop formation

[deft obsidian]

It's like magneton,

[fathom ridge]

Falinks is one of the best gen 8 mons

[cunning geyser]

Division could be a singular Falinks. Legion works for a larger group

Damn it I keep getting ninja'd

[hot hamlet]

Everyone knows a single Magneton orb is a Magnemite

[stuck bane]

So I got back from the dog walk and the Gothitelle slander is crazy when it has like, 1 color in common with gardevoir, when all the other colors are different

Anyways what are we arguing about today

[unkempt kernel]

True but Yamper is top tier gen 8 for me

[hot hamlet]

Fashion

[cunning geyser]

So, no lie, I do like the scorbunny line. Yes I know what people have done, but I still like them.

[stuck bane]

Oooo

[fathom ridge]

The best moms of gen nine were the regional forms

[stuck bane]

Like, scrafty and Furfrou and such?

[hot hamlet]

Agreed. And coming from someone who likes most of Gen 8’s mons

[fathom ridge]

Well I do like vaporeon so I get how it feels

[cunning geyser]

And annihilape!

[hot hamlet]

No like trainer cust.
Then it kinda spiraled as things tend to do around here

[unkempt kernel]

Tinkaton:

Meowscarada:

[stuck bane]

Oh I see

[unkempt kernel]

Oh and ceruledge

[fathom ridge]

A shot I meant gen 8

Gen 9 had great mons all around imo

[stuck bane]

I still believe Pokémon wearing hats was one of the best reveals right next to lurantis

[fathom ridge]

True

[cunning geyser]

Ogerpon my child

[hot hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/pokémon-pokemon-ogerpon-persona-5-group-chat-gif-2379131978984132260

[unkempt kernel]

I mean they nailed Yamper (Same CANNOT be said for Bolthund), Sinistea / Polteageist and a few others

[cunning geyser]

If there were any single pokemon from 8 or 9 I could beg for, it's her

[hot hamlet]

Facts

[stuck bane]

Yeah ogerpon would be fun

I think I would agree

[cunning geyser]

Plus, more masks than just yamask

[hot hamlet]

Well half facts. 9 rep is Ogre, 8 rep is Falinks. I will die on this hill

[fathom ridge]

That is true, maybe I’m being a bit bias

[unkempt kernel]

Tbf I’m biased towards Yamper for reasons

[stuck bane]

If you had to choose between the two, frog offers to add one Gen 8+ Mon manually, which do you choose??

[fathom ridge]

I feel like Pokémon designs have always been consistently good all the time

[cunning geyser]

So, can we agree that while 8 and 9 game quality has...tanked a bit, some of the new designs have been fantastic?

[hot hamlet]

Sorry pon. My Bois have to get some respect

[stuck bane]

Tanked a bit is an understatement

[cunning geyser]

Please? Just so I can feel better for not hating on them?

[fathom ridge]

Yes I loved the gen 9 Pokémons

[hot hamlet]

I like the round too much

[fathom ridge]

Smoliv my beloved

[stuck bane]

I do like some designs from Gen 9, but almost nothing from Gen 8

[unkempt kernel]

Yamper

[fathom ridge]

Is so sad we can’t have anything from gen 9 in IF

[cunning geyser]

9 had more than 8 for me, for sure

[unkempt kernel]

Then I can redo my 10th run by fusing it with a Zweilous to make a ref

[cunning geyser]

I just want ogerpon, even if it's a fusion sprite and not actually in the game

[hot hamlet]

quietly stares at the Phantom 15, waiting to see what gets revealed so I know what not to add in a Non-IF run

[fathom ridge]

Im also a bit bias bc gen 9 is based on where I live

[marble meadow]

i say news tommorow or even a week more

[hot hamlet]

You live on the edge of an impact site?

[cunning geyser]

J pls

I was drinking my coffee

[stuck bane]

Ogerpon would probably be my choice, it’s got the masks for type diversity as well as different abilities, and it’s a beloved Pokémon because of its story in the DLC, ogerpon would probably be my choice, or maybe something like tandemaus for the memes

[fathom ridge]

Sadly no

[tender plank]

sup everyone

[trail hull]

My country gen is in if

[tender plank]

how's the discussing?

[fathom ridge]

It would be funny tho

[stuck bane]

Sup

[hot hamlet]

My gen needs more rep in IF

5

[stuck bane]

Frog offers to add one Gen 8+ Mon (line) manually, who do you choose?

[tender plank]

uhhhh
fuck it, cramorant

[fathom ridge]

I know you are French (if you were referring to unova I will look like a fool)

[inland jewel]

Haterene or Copperajah, or Clobbopus

[stuck bane]

Thank god I thought you were gonna say Gen 8, yeah having as many slots as 2 regions combined in multiple ways is absurd more Gen 5 rep please

[fathom ridge]

SMOLIV MY BELOVED

[hot hamlet]

I’m not British

[cunning geyser]

O-kay, Actual factual new mon discussion. What would be a good grass base mon to fuse and make sprites for Ogerpon with a water/fire/rock type?

[hot hamlet]

Also we ignored the next greatest Gen 8 in this whole discussion about good mons

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-anipoke-wooloo-pikachu-comfortable-gif-25045782

[cunning geyser]

Ah yes, Wololo

[stuck bane]

I thought we had a mask Pokémon of some kind, but if you squint ogerpon looks closest to swadloon

[proud lion]

WOLOLOOOO

[fathom ridge]

Roserade? It has the masks theme, But that one is already in

[stuck bane]

So swadloon plus whatever that is

Swadloon roserade could be it

[cunning geyser]

Roserade/Swadloon for pure grass oger?

[hot hamlet]

Yeah Roserade and Swadloon would give you Ogrepon. But we are missing half of that

[cunning geyser]

-Dang it

[inland jewel]

They're asking for which pokemon to use as a base, and then they'll fuse it with a water/ a fire/ and a rock type for the other ogerpon forms

[hot hamlet]

You could argue Bastiodon/Swadloon for rock Ogre

[stuck bane]

Oooo yeah that’s a good one

[cunning geyser]

This though, yeah.

[stuck bane]

Turtonator for fire mask?

[molten latch]

Hello chat

[hot hamlet]

Maybe

[stuck bane]

Hello

[fathom ridge]

We need more bastiodon fusions, deadly underrated Mon

[molten latch]

Any new announcements

[inland jewel]

Roserade is the best bet

[hot hamlet]

No

[inland jewel]

no

[molten latch]

Ashame

[cunning geyser]

Plus decent stat pool for viable usage

[fathom ridge]

There is a pinned message with all that frog has shared

[stuck bane]

Spheal was squished by a Tinkaton on its way here so it’s out of the running

[inland jewel]

Besides, if you have #announcements enabled you can see for yourself

[hot hamlet]

Trying to think Wellspring Mask

[inland jewel]

if its not white then no new announcements

[cunning geyser]

So Roserade/Bastiodon - Rade/Nator -

[hot hamlet]

What are we? Electing the pope?

[cunning geyser]

For water...Milotic?

[inland jewel]

Turtonator isn't in IF if you want them in the game

[hot hamlet]

Idk I’m stumped on water mask

[stuck bane]

You’d think with so many water types we’d think of something

[fathom ridge]

This is such an specific reference I’m glad I got it

[cunning geyser]

I know, I know. I'm basically hypothsising anyhow. I doubt this goes through.

[deft obsidian]

Milotic is not even blue, it's pink cream

[cunning geyser]

I was thinking of the spdef

But you're right

[hot hamlet]

I’m going by looks not stats

[deft obsidian]

Vaporeon for spdef

[hot hamlet]

And I can’t think of a blue mask

[cunning geyser]

Honestly it's the closest

[stuck bane]

Yeah swadloon isn’t exactly a power house but it’s leaf cloak is closest in design to ogerpon

[cunning geyser]

I mean you're right

[molten latch]

Whos that on your PFP?

OC dont steal?

[cunning geyser]

Oh, yeah.

Personalized trainer from Galar.

Based one of two outfits I put together.

[molten latch]

So OC dont steal then

Lol

[cunning geyser]

I mean...I said yeah.

[molten latch]

Sorry

[steel meadow]

I like how its been so long since any news that we're barely talking about pokemon in this chat now

[molten latch]

Anyways, Are there any mons that can defeat more than 1 Billion Lions or lesser?

[hot hamlet]

So if Frog decided to include Gen 8+, how do you think he’d announce it?
Or would he do it in secret then act like those mons were always in there

[cunning geyser]

Oi, we were just a few minutes ago

[molten latch]

True

If only Pokemon Essentials gets an update

[steel meadow]

Doesnt gardevoir have the power to create a blackhole? If they do that infinite amounts of lions dead + gardevoir tho.

[steel meadow]

I havent had much experience of his announcements so i wouldnt know

All i know is that he would announce it or tease it somehow

[hot hamlet]

Pokémon update to the Lions:
One Billion Pyroars

[molten latch]

Well thats the anime logic (or manga? Idk)

[hot hamlet]

That balances the “magic animal vs regular animal” debate

[cunning geyser]

Pretty much any greater legend.

[hot hamlet]

Anime, manga, and dex

[molten loom]

https://tenor.com/view/gardevoir-black-hole-banished-professor-oak-gif-25748295

[steel meadow]

I think its a pokedex entry? "Gardevoi even has the power to create a blackhole to defend its trainer" or some stupid shit

[molten latch]

True

[molten loom]

Both dex and anime logic

[steel meadow]

And then mfer shows up in the next episode like nothing

[molten loom]

Oak is built different

[deft obsidian]

I do think we gonna get box legendary

[cunning geyser]

Samuel is- yeah that. He's just made different.

[hot hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-dusclops-your-soul-is-mine-gif-8617517428467791810

[steel meadow]

Oak is the unmovable rock to pokemons unstoppable force

[molten loom]

https://youtu.be/5WhLkS6-7rU?si=nnp8H7wFUdHy3BO6

[steel meadow]

Zero even showed gogoat beating up oak

[molten loom]

Most of these are oak getting beat up

Mostly deserved

[hot hamlet]

Oak at this point is just a revenant whose unfinished business is to document all Pokémon on earth

[cunning geyser]

And more keep appearing

Actually just his limbo

[steel meadow]

I dont know what you can do to deserve this

But oak hasnt done it

[hot hamlet]

Hell, Ash knew when to quit

[cunning geyser]

Thank god.

[hot hamlet]

He asked Dusknoir for a demonstration of how it ferries souls to the afterlife

[silent acorn]

Oh an announcement

[molten loom]

Idk looking at some of the other ones he might

[cunning geyser]

Oak was kinda a huge...problem, at the series beginning.

He was not a great person, even if he was a good professor

[silent acorn]

fair thing

Today is believe one may happen

[steel meadow]

Thats like asking a hunter to show you how their rifle works and they just blast you

[hot hamlet]

Not like there was any other souls to grab at that point

[steel meadow]

Oak inviting 4 people to get a pokemon when he only had 3 pokemon was devious.

[silent acorn]

How good is your flamethhrower?

[silent acorn]

I mean pikachu is atleast something

Usable at least

Not like Wally getting a zigzagoon as his technical first pokemon

[steel meadow]

"Hey kid i have this problematic rat that keeps electrocuting me. I guess you can have it"

[deft obsidian]

Wally got ralts

[hot hamlet]

Technically he had 4 but Pika wasn’t picked namely due to its attitude. He even said “this is the only one left”.
Though that ignores the fact he led Ash on as he opened all the normal starter balls

Actually he had 5 because of Gary’s Eevee

[steel meadow]

Wally caught ralts

[deft obsidian]

Ralt is so weak, how did he even evolve it? Like the only move can use at lvl 5 is growl

[hot hamlet]

Wally had to catch his own.

[molten loom]

Wally is built different

[dark prism]

Wally was running the 1s

[hot hamlet]

Power of friendship tm

[steel meadow]

Wallys team in omegaruby is legendary

I think it was atleast

It was like 5 girl boss pokemon and gallade

[dark prism]

it's a cool team

[cunning geyser]

No joke Wally is one of my favorite rivals

[deft obsidian]

Wally had magnezone ?

[steel meadow]

Oh sorry theres a magnezone yeah

[stuck bane]

Leppa berry against wild silcoon (I don’t think they get attacking moves?)

[steel meadow]

Magnezone is now a honorary girlboss

[stuck bane]

The struggle victory

[hot hamlet]

Magnezone’s a female by that definition.

[cunning geyser]

He had his own full entire character arc, even if it was offscreen

[stoic canopy]

I like the idea of Wally, but he’s definitely low on my list of rivals.

[molten loom]

Wow I didn't realize they changed his Gardevoir to gallade in ORAS

[dark prism]

yeah cus mega gallade

[cunning geyser]

Listen to his new theme is ORAS

[dark prism]

he uses it against you

[hot hamlet]

Makes more sense for his character to get the heroic knight mon

Especially since they were advertising Mega Gallade

[stuck bane]

What a stupid didn’t even evolve maneton or Rosalia

[steel meadow]

Mega gardevoir was already someone elses mon no? Champion in x and y?

[dark prism]

when I first played ORAS I was using gard and I mega evolved it in the battle with Wally so I was hype

[deft obsidian]

So wally had magnezone in usum

[stuck bane]

Yes diantha had mega Garde

[steel meadow]

Would be weird having two mega garde in the series

[molten loom]

My most recent memory of Wally is his gender team in too many types

[dark prism]

I'm not gonna lie I think diantha is an incredibly forgettable champion

I like her team tho

[hot hamlet]

Never played TMT

[dark prism]

but still

[cunning geyser]

So personal thing. I actually love when strong trainers in lore dont have fully evolved pokemon.

[hot hamlet]

This is my only fangame

[molten loom]

Same but I've seen videos

[cunning geyser]

Like in world not all pokemon of a species line can

[trail hull]

Don’t worry you are right

[steel meadow]

Diantha is the same level of forgetable as Geetha or whatever her name is

[cunning geyser]

Geeta

[hot hamlet]

Geeta

[stuck bane]

Honestly true as a kid I had some NFE Pokémon on my team as well

[molten loom]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-diantha-gif-26902499

[stuck bane]

In x and y I could never figure out how to evolve floette

[steel meadow]

Good thing Nemona kinda made up for the horrible champion battle in that game

[stoic canopy]

Geeta’s better in the rematch. She changes her ace to kingambit

[stuck bane]

So that made it to the end with me

[dark prism]

isn't it a shiny stone or somethin

don't remember

[cunning geyser]

Oh yeah, BBA Geeta was actually a bit fun

[hot hamlet]

And has her old ace as the setup now

[molten loom]

He does in the 3rd fight

[steel meadow]

Having that rock/poison as your ace is dumb

Idk who came up with that

[stoic canopy]

Mhmm, basically they made her team make sense

[steel meadow]

Glimmora?

[dark prism]

he doesn't even have a full team until the 4th fight tho

[stuck bane]

Oh

[dark prism]

[steel meadow]

Classic early gen moment

[dark prism]

yupp lol

[hot hamlet]

I love how on three separate occasions Geeta claims she is going “all out” and yet only on the third does she have anything somewhat resembling a proper champion team

[steel meadow]

She is the goat for having gogoat on her team though

[fathom ridge]

bright powder on roserade kinda cringe ngl

[steel meadow]

Although gogoat really doesnt fit on a champion team

[stuck bane]

Didn’t she remove gogoat on her real team though?

[dark prism]

just there to be annoying lmaoo

[steel meadow]

Idk i didnt play s/v enough to fight her again

[dark prism]

imagine getting leech seeded after a bright powder miss

[stuck bane]

Me either

[dark prism]

I'd be punching the air

[molten loom]

That isn't even her final form /s

[stuck bane]

“I am wholly incapable of holding back”

[steel meadow]

isnt this what the rival does in every game?

[cunning geyser]

Yeah but she's the Champion

Heavy air quotes

[stuck bane]

Yeah but the rival isn’t set up to be the strongest trainer in the whole region (yet)

[dark prism]

I enjoy how the IQ points of every known character in the world goes up once you become champion

[steel meadow]

Idk if geeta was set up to be the strongest level trainer either?

[dark prism]

"oh yeah we can use teams of 6"

[steel meadow]

She was the gatekeeper of champion rank trainers or whatever

Or i just didnt pay attention to the plot.

[cunning geyser]

So, Aurange, have you read any of the (admittedly fanmade) theories on TE and Trainer's bonds?

[dark prism]

still have barely played scar/vio so ya got me lol

[dark prism]

uhh probably not

[stoic canopy]

I think Namona is the champ Geeta is like the head of the elite four or something.

[dark prism]

doesn't sound familiar to me anyway

[cunning geyser]

They kinda give a nice feel to why so many people dont use teams of 6. It's all completely made up junk though, so-

It's not in any way canon

[stoic canopy]

Or like the head of the league or something.

[dark prism]

hmm gotcha

I think the most plausible reason is like maybe most trainers just aren't very good at training their pokemon up

[steel meadow]

Yeah my understanding was that if you beat geeta you get to be champion rank and theres multiple champion rank trainers out there

[dark prism]

and since they aren't us and probably wouldn't just bring low lvs as switch fodder I guess that could make sense

[cunning geyser]

Hobbyists versus actual in-it-to-win-it trainers, like?

[dark prism]

yeah

I think they kind of leaned into that idea more with the veteran trainers that show up when you clear routes of trainers

[cunning geyser]

Compared to the PC almost always being some sort of prodigy

[dark prism]

yeah it's always important to keep in mind that your player character is like incredibly ridiculously talented just cus

[steel meadow]

I feel like most trainers in the game are just regular dudes that are using the pokemon for whatever theyre doing instead of trying to be champion

[cunning geyser]

I mean a lot are

[dark prism]

I feel like they always got some side job lmaoo

[molten loom]

We're built different

[cunning geyser]

Oreburg tunnel.

Freakin' Larry.

[steel meadow]

Like for example the police trainer class just has a bunch of dog pokemon to search and rescue and just so happen to want to fight every now and then

[dark prism]

I remember the pokemon adventures manga treating the champion gig like it was a chore and distracting the champ characters from things they actually wanted to do lol

[stoic canopy]

It’s kinda like YuGiOh GX in a way. It’s a school about Pokémon, not just Pokémon battling.

[cunning geyser]

God I loved so much of adventures

[dark prism]

adventures is so good

[cunning geyser]

Not emerald though

[dark prism]

emerald was... yeah

[cunning geyser]

Not emerald.

[hot hamlet]

Player shows up, wipes the league, steals a Pokémon Keenan has been pining for his whole life, then goes to his school and wipes their league too like it was a gang battle

[dark prism]

that one was just weird

character also did not need to exist

[cunning geyser]

I hate him.

[hot hamlet]

And he’s treated as a prodigy

[cunning geyser]

Like actually

[dark prism]

and yeah you can say that about yellow but yellow is actually cool

[cunning geyser]

Yellow is adorable and I will not be shamed for shipping her with Red

[stuck bane]

Yellow from the adventures manga? Yellow is so cool

[stoic canopy]

God we did Keenan so dirty…

[steel meadow]

while using ground types in my case

[dark prism]

Yeah Yellow is great

[hot hamlet]

Adventure characters, who is the best and who is the weakest?
I kinda fell off around BW

[dark prism]

I wasn't able to easily find material post gen 5 manga

so I'm definitely not caught up

[stuck bane]

No but you stopped at like the one ship stronger than red/yellow

[dark prism]

though I did read the OR/AS series when that released

[cunning geyser]

So actually same, but in later D/P

I didn't really love Dia or Barry

[hot hamlet]

I wasn’t able to find gen 5 material!
Last I saw was scattered scans and the most recent was White boarding a train to get stronger

[dark prism]

it took me time to get used to the interpretation of Dia's character

Pearl very much seemed like Barry tho

so it felt more natural to me

[cunning geyser]

The...I forget the official name of the act

Straight man / joker

[stuck bane]

Isn’t dia the guy who was basically just kid goku?

[cunning geyser]

That got old really fast for me

[dark prism]

ohh yeah I never finished the B/W manga but I got like halfway through it