pif-hoenn-discussion

[molten latch]

Gabite aint bad of a pokemon

Consider that they have a beef with Sableye

To get the

[compact orbit]

Really?

[molten latch]

Yes

Its on Sableye's Pokedex entry

But not sure which.

[compact orbit]

Interesting factoid

[molten latch]

I mean

is part rock-type so its not out of place

Here's what the pokedex entry saids (yes this is from Pokemon Sun I forgor)

It also targets as prey, though they are usually taken by Gabite before Sableye can reach them.

[civic harness]

They needs to be in

I guess

But everyone can say that with every pokemon

[molten latch]

Idk why but I keep changing the pokemon's name into an emote.

[civic harness]

So we just need to wait and see if the managers do something for the reveals

Maybe some mocking

Maybe they bring us hope

Or maybe an totally surprise

[molten latch]

Or maybe Frog do a little trolling.

[civic harness]

Well, we know perfectly that some members are just "" in some way

There is any theory around?

[molten latch]

Well

Who knows. Apparently it could be Volbeat and Illumise

[mighty moss]

wait is poochyena in the game?

[civic harness]

That would be The Bruxish Situation

[molten latch]

Nope

[civic harness]

An perfectly trolling

[molten latch]

Indeed

[mighty moss]

Damn, need them to do a proper team sky run

[velvet root]

Just wait for the Goat and Golisopod trolls

[molten latch]

I see you're a MandJVT of culture aye?

[civic harness]

Why? Speed?

[fathom ridge]

When de we get ?

[mighty moss]

dude i've watched all of his posts repeatedly as well as Johns vids i adore their style of content

[molten latch]

Indeed

[civic harness]

Well, maybe because they get viral in the last month

[molten latch]

I also watched Truegreen7 videos too.

[mighty moss]

oh? whos that

[molten latch]

MandJVT's close friends

And an artist

[civic harness]

Not that viral like Carbink but this one gets in by aparently an raffle, or just Pory by a joke said an theory

[molten latch]

[mighty moss]

i watch purplecliff occasionally and Johnstone

[molten latch]

I see

[mighty moss]

i will definitely have to watch them then

were they in the pokesmp? it sounds familiar

[molten latch]

Anyways off the topic now. This is suppose to be about which pokemon is gonna get in.

[terse fable]

https://tenor.com/view/drampa-pokemon-thinking-confused-gif-22448973

[molten latch]

Sorry if I dont want to sound rude.

[fathom ridge]

VIKAVOLT

[molten latch]

Good Morning Uncle Drampa

[terse fable]

Drampa before coffee lol

[mighty moss]

Good point i'm praying for Poochyena and any of the primal paradox pokemon

Roaring moon is the 🐐

[fathom ridge]

Gen 8+ aren’t getting in soon I’m afraid 😔

[mighty moss]

Thats fine honestly, I adore this game so i doubt I'll stop playing

[fathom ridge]

Yup, there are also a lot of older gen mons that could be awsome to have

||like vikavolt||

[mighty moss]

TRUE any more of the alola region mons would be peak

[fathom ridge]

Alola bugs type are peak

[civic harness]

Hello there Azul

[mighty moss]

is Mimikyu in the game?

[fathom ridge]

Hello there crab voter

[fathom ridge]

Yes there are a lot of fun fusions with it too

[mighty moss]

oh dang where do you catch it?

[fathom ridge]

Idk, you can ask in #ask-a-bot

[civic harness]

I was honestly happy

[civic harness]

Just V073 - C548 - N0W

[mighty moss]

tysm!!!

[fathom ridge]

Yeah your name is kinda undated now, the vote is over

[molten latch]

I do Imagine for a pokemon fusion sequel

But I dont think Frog will do it

[fathom ridge]

That would be next level awesome

[molten latch]

But someone with a talent will take Frog's mantle.

[fathom ridge]

I don’t expect it for like 1 or two decades

[civic harness]

But is hope, hope for bad lookin japonese street fighters and massive abominable weird not too loved... crabs

[prime dust]

he won't

[molten latch]

Ye

[prime dust]

he has said a few times he has 0 plans for a remake of the game or a sequel, which is why he has also stated he is fine if people want to make one

[fathom ridge]

Truly a novel cause

[prime dust]

thus the reason why Project Amalgam exists

[molten latch]

I see

Still idk about it

[civic harness]

I allways see the comments about the crabs and some people just that they dislike the teeth, Crabominable cant pay a dental insurance

[terse fable]

Exists is a strong word lol, still plenty of time for that project to be canceled or just disappear like most do that cook for too long

[fathom ridge]

Crabominable is ugly af ngl, but it might have some awesome fusions

[civic harness]

Also Im making more crabs for tomorrow, there just the issue that the delay is killing me

[molten latch]

True

[fathom ridge]

I really like the idea of having the gallery of fusions of IF available for other fan games

[molten latch]

For me, I do imagine a rated T pokemon fusion game.

With all generations and one returning gimmick.

(Not mega or gmax)

[fathom ridge]

I really don’t like when fangames become a bit edgy but that might just be me

[molten latch]

(Not even z move or terastral)

Yeah

I do imagine a pokemon fusion game with mechanics of Colosseum and XD

That would be Kudos

[fathom ridge]

You can always play the game on double battle made

[civic harness]

Sometimes it just turn to an apocalypse situation

[molten latch]

No not that but what I meant is the gimmick

[mighty moss]

Pokemon Uranium is pretty good and that has some dark themes

[fathom ridge]

Yeah dark Pokémon and all of that

I need to try more fangames, but I’m always afraid to download things from the internet

[molten latch]

True

[mighty moss]

with good reason, that fear keeps you safe!

[prime dust]

long as you get them from safe sources, then you are fine

[molten latch]

Xenoverse is pretty cool but I get it that its not your cuppa

[prime dust]

and that is just the fan games

[fathom ridge]

Whoa that’s a big catalog

[prime dust]

i also have some roms/romhacks/mods

[civic harness]

Pokemon Fanverse

[molten latch]

If only you have Pokemon Reminiscence.

Hear me out.

[fathom ridge]

Oh I’ve heard of realidea my sister downloaded it and I think the story is like a mainline Pokémon game right?

[prime dust]

tried it, didn't like it

[molten latch]

Oof

[mighty moss]

im gonna NEED you to teach me how to do that, i wanna play X but do NOT have £40 to spare

[prime dust]

i generally prefer that style, i found a few exceptions but mainly i like the more traditional style

[fathom ridge]

We can’t here bc sharing Roms and all of that is against the rules, but the emulator I have is DeSume

[prime dust]

only 2 of them are actual roms, the rest are either copies i made to then patch over with the romhack/mod or prepatched files

i'll go dunk the screenshot over in #other-pokemon-games

[civic harness]

What is your favorite gen?

And why?

[fathom ridge]

I don’t think I have any romhack but I do have a randomizer for mainline games and mystery dungeon

[fathom ridge]

Sun and moon are deadly underrated

[civic harness]

Yes

[mighty moss]

ah sorry i didn't mean to come off like i would break the rules and ask for them to be shared in the server 👀

[civic harness]

But why do you think that? I want to know your way to see it

[fathom ridge]

Idk it might be nostalgia but like the story is decent and the game is not baby difficulty like kalos

[worldly sail]

sick

[stuck bane]

Did somebody say “favorite generation” and “deadly underrated?”

[civic harness]

I know, classic

[fathom ridge]

Unova is not underrated

[worldly sail]

Unova is perfectly rated

[fathom ridge]

When it was released it was tho

[civic harness]

I was expecting something like gen 4 or 5

[stuck bane]

Unova was horribly rated on release it was like a 60 average or something

[fathom ridge]

If I played those games as a kid they probably would

[civic harness]

That gens was hated before but for some reason now people really like it

[stuck bane]

The story, the stuff to do, the animations

I was a day 1 unova fan, in fact I might’ve been the only one

[civic harness]

The opinions allways change

[mighty moss]

well yeah but now ive seen a lot of people saying its the "last good story in a pokemon game"

[civic harness]

Every info or every try make you think again

[twin phoenix]

I've supported gen 5 since the beginning.

[fathom ridge]

Nuh huh, gen 7 and 9 also have decent stories

[mighty moss]

when i think US and UM's story was pretty good

[twin phoenix]

All my normal friends are unable to see the appeal.

[civic harness]

I remember when they say that gen 6 was the last good gen

[fathom ridge]

Gen 8 are truly unsalvageable, the setting isn’t even that interesting tbh

[clear lichen]

Weren't they saying Gen 5 was the last good gen before the announcement of ZA

[fathom ridge]

Yeah that’s an unpopular opinion

[civic harness]

Exactly

[mighty moss]

i may be biased as 6 is my favourite gen, x being my first pokemon game and the gen 6 anime being the first one i fully watched

[fathom ridge]

Respectable, but the games are just too easy

[civic harness]

Again, everyone have an different opinion, maybe similar for some reason or just the same with luck

[clear lichen]

Pokemon fans and jumping on bandwagons, a combo as old as time

[fathom ridge]

I think IF has the perfect difficulty for a Pokémon game imo

[mighty moss]

oh yeah definitely you get some unfair advantages in those games but the mega evolution gimmic is fun and the designs of the pokemon are peak

[twin phoenix]

Megas were so cool and everything that came after that from Z moves to terra typing fell off for me.

[pallid spindle]

Gen 5 is a failed reboot but all the gens are good

[civic harness]

I guess that with every new gen that comes out people just appreciate the past even more

[fathom ridge]

I can’t wait for ZA, I hope they delay the game to 2025

[clear lichen]

Wasn't it announced for 2025 or am I tripping

[mighty moss]

definitely IF is the only time i lost a to a gym without any bs like constant misses and unfair crits, like it genuinely made me rethink my strategy and team and i loved it

[twin phoenix]

I like clinging to nostalgia, but not everyone is like that. Some people will keep playing every new game and get something to like about each one. I think that's cool too.

[fathom ridge]

I think it was announced for 2024 in 2023? I might be the one tripping tho

[clear lichen]

Idk lol

[mighty moss]

it's been confirmed that its not coming out till 2025 i can't remember where but i stg they did

[pallid spindle]

It is 2025

[clear lichen]

In any case, I also would prefer for it to be delayed

Since that'd give them more time to polish the hame

[fathom ridge]

Then I hope they delay it to 2026

[molten latch]

Make ir better

[civic harness]

I remember that since gen 7 they stopped creating new graphics engines for the saga

[molten latch]

We delay it on 2069

[mighty moss]

Fr like legends Arkoos was so good because they took their time with it

[clear lichen]

I didn't struggle with many performance issues and such with SV but I know most did and I feel like that could easily be solved if they just didn't rush it

[fathom ridge]

Like imagine gamefreak gets the Pokémon company to delay a game that would be sooooo cool

[fathom ridge]

THIS IS SOOO TRUE

Also I think the game should have had more content in general

[clear lichen]

And I feel like performance issues and glitches are the only things I hear people complain about

[civic harness]

Remember that The Pokemon Company gaves to Gamefreak three years to make a new gen

[mighty moss]

i knew about the memory leak so i just closed and reopened the game after an hour or two of playing and it was fine

[clear lichen]

I didn't know of the memory leak and it was fine

Maybe I just didn't play for extremely long periods

Idk

[civic harness]

Except gen 4 and 5 by the pixelart work, they make that generations in 4 years

[fathom ridge]

It’s better after a year of patches but they really should have postponed the release date

[mighty moss]

if you play it in short bursts you wont ever encounter it, its just if you play for a long time then the graphics and the amount the game can load in a short period goes down but it resets if you close the game

[clear lichen]

Anyways why were y'all talking about this again

[fathom ridge]

The Pokémon game I’m truly waiting for is another mystery dungeon

[clear lichen]

I just realised this is new pokemon discussion lol

[civic harness]

We talk about pokemon, we like pokemon, we dont really like some gens

[inland jewel]

That’s the thing though any sequel cannot use the gallery from PIF

[fathom ridge]

At this point this is second general chat

[inland jewel]

Since they don’t have artist permission

[clear lichen]

Tbf I should be the very last one to judge

I am very good at derailing conversations

[fathom ridge]

I give permission

[civic harness]

They allways say that

[terse fable]

They'd prolly try n ask most artists for permission lik amalgam is apparently doing but yea, any if like game is gonna have a rough time starting off

[pallid spindle]

In my opinion all gens are good

[mighty moss]

Whats a gen you dont like? I'm not like trying to start an argument i just like hearing other opinions fr

[clear lichen]

Anyways, anyone has a new Pokemon they're coping about being added in the game or is it the same stuff as usual

[fathom ridge]

VIKAVOLT

[inland jewel]

Yee if I give permission that’s only 31 out of 17K sprites

[pallid spindle]

Diancie

[civic harness]

Anyways, is this or just talk about good things or bad things about an pokemon

[inland jewel]

And not everyone who submitted for this game is around anymore

[clear lichen]

So the same things as usual, ykw fair

[civic harness]

Gogoat maybe

[inland jewel]

The thing about mentioning bad things about a Pokémon is that fusions usually would remove that

[civic harness]

[fathom ridge]

What would be the worst possible Pokémon, so nothing like luvdisc and the monkeys

[velvet root]

Good vhoice

[mighty moss]

Diance and Carbink are gonna make some NICE crystal fusions

[inland jewel]

Like people clown on Bruxish for being ugly but fusions for it make it look decent

[velvet root]

Minun+Plusle or Wishiwashi if we talk sprite wise

[civic harness]

They probably would say Crabominable

[fathom ridge]

Wishiwashi

[opaque ether]

Still just rooting for Poochyena and Mightyena.

[mighty moss]

i dont really get the monkey hate tbh, they're just silly little guys

[mighty moss]

Go team sky and such

[fathom ridge]

I mean they are very similar and the designs aren’t very inspired

[inland jewel]

They don’t want to add 3 of the same Mon into the game when we could have 3 different lines in their stead

[velvet root]

So many possible bases

[civic harness]

Ddi you make some sprites about it?

[mighty moss]

yeah fair i get that

[humble lance]

[humble lance]

monke

[mighty moss]

silly little guys!!!!

[civic harness]

The last one is perfect

[velvet root]

Very inconsistent and annoying hard to read sprites

[pallid spindle]

It’s their horrendous stats

[fathom ridge]

that sunflora looks neat

[clear lichen]

There's far worse

So if that's your reason to hate the monkeys, find another reason

[velvet root]

Stats dont really matter in infinite fusion

[clear lichen]

Or yknow

Hate Luvdisc

[fathom ridge]

But you can make Pokémons made out of fishes

[civic harness]

The Pichus can bring you that in two by one

[inland jewel]

Wishiwashi and Ledian have worst stats

Wishiwashi and Ledian have worst stats

[pallid spindle]

Fair

[mighty moss]

oh i haven't looked at their stats but remember "Strong Pokémon. Weak Pokémon. That is only the selfish perception of people. Truly skilled Trainers should try to win with the Pokémon they love best."

[clear lichen]

Elemental monkeys are definitely not the worst

[inland jewel]

And fusions make that statement more possible

[fathom ridge]

Hot take, That quote is cringe

[pallid spindle]

Based quote!!!

[clear lichen]

Better than Luxray honestly

[civic harness]

You lost the opportunity

[velvet root]

Swarm Wishiwashi as head is fun
Everything else isnt

[silk narwhal]

Oh lord who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name, let thine glorious arthropod defy the faulty methods of man, amen

[mighty moss]

its a little gimicky sure but its a classic

[proud lion]

This was before Bruxish was gifted to us

[velvet root]

Skill issue

[civic harness]

Oh

[fathom ridge]

Golisopod

[clear lichen]

Referring to in battle performance btw

[silk narwhal]

Yeah

[clear lichen]

Though tbf saying something is better than Luxray isn't saying a lot

[proud lion]

Never forget the beach

[humble lance]

WA

[fathom ridge]

Is just that the way some people quote it to refer to competitive is just

[mighty moss]

As someone of jewish faith i REGULARLY add golisopod to my prayers

[civic harness]

Anyways, Lengend of the Dragon, what do you think about Pichus?

[opaque ether]

No. I’ve thought about it, just haven’t had the time to dedicate to spritework recently.

[fathom ridge]

Wario has a good colour palette for heads

[clear lichen]

... As in, literally just Pichu or?

[civic harness]

I said Pichus

[clear lichen]

I dislike Pichu for the same reason as all the other baby Pokemon

If you mean pika clones

It's a mixed bag

As one might expect

[fathom ridge]

It is Established lore that you hate babies

[clear lichen]

But I don't dislike any of them, though I do definitely think Plusle and Minun are my least favourites of the bunch

[silk narwhal]

I HATE children

[clear lichen]

Yes

[civic harness]

Imagine if in the next gen they give us a divide and multiply Pichu

[mighty moss]

i just use it to justify my use of silly guys like Mr. Rime

[terse fable]

ewww babies 🤮

[fathom ridge]

I like the one that looks like emolga after eating a watermelon

[civic harness]

Tell us, why in this case?

[hardy tartan]

that's just wishiwashi

[silk narwhal]

They're annoying

[clear lichen]

Karen's quote applies if you're playing in a playthrough but like if your favourite Pokemon is Electivire, good fucking luck lmao

[hardy tartan]

(i hate replying to the wrong person smh)

[clear lichen]

Hey, ig you have uhhh

[fathom ridge]

Playtroughts don’t need tiers (smoliv my beloved, arboliva is ZU )

[clear lichen]

Motor Drive?

Does Electivire get Follow Me?

[civic harness]

Make sense, also that the reason that there are not kids in some games around this years

[clear lichen]

Idt Motor Drive automatically redirects

Judging by how Pachirisu was used

[mighty moss]

Oh is Electrivire bad? i used them to beat Legends Arkoos and it was pretty good for me

[clear lichen]

I'm gonna assume that's a no

[clear lichen]

What being a frail physical attacker with no good physical STAB does to a mf

[mighty moss]

true playthrough teams dont really need to be that competetive, unless you're going against established hard boss fights like Ultra Necrozma

[fathom ridge]

Pachirisu being the only Pokémon in that format to get follow me and paralisis spreading was so funny

[clear lichen]

And it isn't fast either

95 is kinda mid

[dark prism]

Electivire is mix but it has no good stab to this day

[fathom ridge]

Ultra necrozma dies easy to decidueye ngl

[dark prism]

wild charge is basically it

[clear lichen]

Wild Charge is a slightly improved Take Down clone

[mighty moss]

it kept one shotting my decidueye 😭

[clear lichen]

Supercell Slam is an electric type Jump Kick (not HJK)

Physical electrics really got the short end of the stick

[fathom ridge]

Wasn’t electrivier stuck in OU in gen 4 bc it was a noob trap and it keep being used?

[dark prism]

yeah not many good physical electric moves at all

[clear lichen]

Yes

It was a cruel fate

[mighty moss]

true its defense being 67 and Sp defense being 85 isnt good but it works with Arkoos' battle mechanics, agile style and then normal style is busted with a base attack of 123

[clear lichen]

LA is another different beast

Feels impossible to fully avoid trading damage

[mighty moss]

oh definitely i wouldnt use it anywhere else

[clear lichen]

And also, doesn't have a pvp system

[fathom ridge]

LA battle system isn’t compatible with pvp right?

[mighty moss]

nope its meant to be single player experience hence the addition of the link cord

[fathom ridge]

Will legends ZA have the same battle system

[clear lichen]

PL:A is in fact a single player game

[clear lichen]

Would make it a lot harder

So I kinda hope do

[mighty moss]

i hope so i really liked it, it was a new challenge and it felt fresh

[fathom ridge]

LA was hard

[clear lichen]

It's a lot harder to simply just avoid the KO in Legends than in base Pokemon

Since the opponent can attack before you can switch

That's why I think it's the hardest Pokemon game, with the hardest battle

[mighty moss]

it was hard because it was new, everyone expected it to be like the traditional pokemon games but then they blew it out of the water and thats why it was so good

[clear lichen]

Oh, that and the hardest battle ||has 8 fucking Pokemon, 2 of which being Giratina||

[fathom ridge]

I wish arceus was more active, I was really hoping for an arceus game

[clear lichen]

Idk, even now I still think L:A's battle system is harder than base Pokemon's

[mighty moss]

TRUE i had to train my pokemon so much just to get through the first two rounds

[clear lichen]

Losing 0 Pokemon is less impactful than losing multiple

[mighty moss]

without a doubt, even with intense learning of the mechanics its not easy

I've got well over 500 hours in that game and i still struggle on new playthroughs

[fathom ridge]

Whoa that’s a lot

[clear lichen]

I think one thing I dislike about L:A

Is that Hisuian Decidueye is Grass/Fighting

Hisuian Lilligant is also Grass/Fighting

And is also better

And obtained earlier, if you include actually evolving into that form

Why

That's about it

Well, if I had to complain about something else

It's that Cherubi line and Munchlax are pains in the ass to get

Oh hey there's the part about me being good about going off topic

[fathom ridge]

VIKAVOLT

Back on topic

[mighty moss]

best thing to do for that is catch cherubi in SHSW and transfer them over, its much easier

YES back on topic

POOCHYENA

[silent acorn]

I'd complain that Cherubi should have gotten at third stage, it's a bit meh as it is

Should have become a straight up cherry blossom tree

actually a mega for it would have been a really good idea

Like it is pretty middle in range of usefulness

Have to make an active attempt to make it good

[silent acorn]

If it had this that would have been neat

[mighty moss]

that first one looks like Cherrim fused with Jirachi

[silent acorn]

Would have been better that it was a base

Could have done a bunch of stuff

Cherrim is a one off pokemon

Like create it for theme, but not put much effort into it

Like minimal bare level of it

It's like an Oddish that stayed within the Gen 1 pixie thing concept but never looked into the future

[mighty moss]

ah yeah the curse of liking a gimmic pokemon

[silent acorn]

It's not the gimmick that I have a problem with

It's that it's one of those pixie things in body shape

Wish it was a bit bigger or something

The freaking cherry tree isn't that small

Could have had something nicer

But it's eh in stats, in ability in gimmick

[mighty moss]

i think it would've been awesome for trevenant to have different forms based on different trees or seasons like sawsbuck

one of them could be a cherry tree

but still Trevenant is only 4'11

[silent acorn]

Thats atleast little tree size

Plus it's mostly kids souls trapped in there

Would have been nice that Trevenant gimmick was seasons but oh well

Cherrim is a Japanese pokemon

It's just lame it's so minimalistic for being one

Imagine it was bigger or had a flower kimono?

Just cherry leaves all over the place

Should have gone overboard honestly

[mighty moss]

yeah thats why it is so small because its a kids soul stuck in a tree, hella sad 😭

[silent acorn]

Houndstomb is a dead dog that just wants to stay with its owners forever but ends up killing them

Can't beat that on sad metric

[woven maple]

What're the odds a new line is announced within 24 hours?

[silent acorn]

0

[humble lance]

furry jumpscare

[silent acorn]

Actually looks great

[terse fable]

cutee

[mighty moss]

what about countless human souls reduced to a grain of sand while retaining their own will in the shape of a sandcastle?

[fathom ridge]

braixen is getting more sprites than delphox

[humble lance]

its because middle evos > final evos

[fathom ridge]

hmmmm i think there is another reason

[humble lance]

nah its definitely that

[civic harness]

But the Middle Evos allways get ignore

Because Middle Evos are not cute like first form or not too cool or recognized like final evos like they say

[humble lance]

middle evos better

[molten loom]

Quilladin

[civic harness]

Yes

[weak trellis]

braixen is exception to rule

[civic harness]

All the evos could be very good

But most of the people here like babies

[stuck bane]

I’m actually surprised with how many quilladin I’ve seen in spritework, it actually seems comparable to the other 2 middle evos

[civic harness]

With ones?

[dreamy pagoda]

I had thoughts last night and thought Audino, Grubbin Line and the Pikipek line would be interesting

[steel meadow]

Wth would i do with the audino line?

[prime dust]

uh...something, not sure what, but you're the spriter

[steel meadow]

I feel like its nieche are kinda filled by clefable and chansey already-

[steel meadow]

Also im one of the uncreative spriters

[twin phoenix]

It's quite fairy-like yet not a fairy.

[steel meadow]

Pink = fairy?

[twin phoenix]

Most of the visual interest is the ears.

I think it's the ears looking like fairy wings to me.

[steel meadow]

Doesnt mega audino get the fairy typing?

[twin phoenix]

The pink helps, but I think a pastel color works.

[steel meadow]

Mega audino exists right?

[twin phoenix]

Yes, but I thought megas weren't allowed or are doomed to become alts?

[steel meadow]

Honestly i dont know

[twin phoenix]

Megas don't exist as a mechanic but can be reference alts as sprites.

[steel meadow]

I feel like they are super inconsistent with mega tropes and if the mon get alted

Most steelix fusions that uses mega steelixs crystals doesnt get alted i think

[cobalt river]

steelix is a case where they should get alted sadly 😔 some moghtve slipped through the cracks though- megas werent alted once upon a time, so they mightve missed some when the mega alting started happening

very subtle mega elements can live though- it depends on how much ‘mega’ you add to it and how different it looks from the regular mon

[molten latch]

Indeed

[cobalt river]

and sometimes rhey can survive just because it works fusion wise making a carbink/steelix mega steelix would probably not get alted because… yknow, steelix w crystals

[molten latch]

True. but,
Like I said before, the worst downgrade was Mega Garchomp.

[cobalt river]

oh yeah that thing ugly as hell

[molten latch]

Not just all, its stats is terrible. Replacing its speed for like more bulk than usual, and its new ability doesnt help.

Ashame that this poor jet shark gets the worst mega evolution in both in casual play and competitively.

Atleast Mega Steelix has seen some better days. It's silly to have that big ahh chin.

Anyways. . .

https://tenor.com/view/spheal-he-agree-nodding-pokemon-legends-arceus-gif-24844405

[white meadow]

I want new announcement

Hello chat

[civic harness]

Just wait, its seems that is one reveal every week

[white meadow]

So today new one?

Cause it's Monday

[civic harness]

I dont think so

The last reveal was in...

[marble meadow]

i say every 2 nd Saturday starting with the coming Saturday

[civic harness]

Im back

The last reveal just happen in Thursday

[marble meadow]

That’s an option to every Thursday

[civic harness]

But

[trail hull]

I think we will get a weekly reveal so spriter can make enough sprites for the fusions

[civic harness]

We say that

[trail hull]

I have to make sure diglett is always up to date

[civic harness]

Did you make Carbink?

[trail hull]

Yes, the only new line not in the gallery is fennekin line which still is in spritework

[civic harness]

Let me see your creations

[weak trellis]

18/19 monotype runs done

what's the last one? monotype itself.

every mon must have only one type and can only use moves of that type

status moves included.

[stuck bane]

So no flying types because tornadus isn’t in

[weak trellis]

normal/flying counts as mono flying

[trail hull]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1279749637976363122/1279765780329791508/carlett.png?ex=66e02e42&is=66dedcc2&hm=6c7bf42bddcee23501b7f6f37a9d5800cca6ef4d1e4a5717812be5d6ba09b3eb&

[stuck bane]

Of course it does

Coward

[trail hull]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1279749637976363122/1279763947553165447/digbink.png?ex=66e02c8d&is=66dedb0d&hm=bd44d428fdda5081adb26afa42b39c840f95b39feb86c1d51df335a15d9daf88&

[weak trellis]

I am allowed to use dual types if the end result is still monotyped though

[weak trellis]

If made that decision, not me

[civic harness]

Oh, well it look simple but effective

Nice work

[trail hull]

Thanks

[stuck bane]

Oh, is there a place to see this ruleset?

[weak trellis]

not at the moment, I just came up with it on the fly

[civic harness]

Maybe you could try to add more detail in the new ones?

[stuck bane]

Ha ha, I get it

[weak trellis]

but yea 6.0 removed most type exceptions except normal/flying -> flying

[trail hull]

Those are the latest carbink with diglett fusions

[civic harness]

I mean, for the new pokemons that come and need an diglett fusion

[weak trellis]

and I think trevenant being grass/ghost and not ghost/grass?

[trail hull]

I already did them all but fennekin line isn’t in the gallery yet

[civic harness]

I mean the reveals that could be come

[stuck bane]

Wait now im confused

If you fuse pidgeot and noctowl, do you get a normal flying type or a pure flying type.

I was talking with a staff before and they said tornadus was the only way to get fusions that are pure flying type

[trail hull]

I’ll make detailed version if I have ideas for them

[trail hull]

Pure flying isn’t possible

[civic harness]

Would you replace the mains for the more detailed version if that happen?

[stuck bane]

Yeah that’s what I thought

[weak trellis]

hm let me try that

if that's the case then yea no flying for me

[trail hull]

There is a multiple main systems

[ivory rune]

I think its because the secondary type is already taken so it defaults to the primary type of normal, despite the normal/flying exception

[trail hull]

Im member of team monotype where we sprite monotypes fusions and there’s no flying

[weak trellis]

unless I find Arceus by technicality and plate imports.

[civic harness]

There inst an team that wants to remake some old sprites and make it more detailed?

[trail hull]

Team glow up is at the spriter choice , the sprite have to put their own sprites in

And I’m not gonna do as I’m happy with them

[weak trellis]

frick I keep assuming this is playthrough talk my bad

[stuck bane]

Anyways, real reason I came here, besides the technicality of porygon 2/Z, there’s no duck pokemon besides ducklett are there?

[weak trellis]

psyduck/golduck

[stuck bane]

Yep knew I was forgetting one thanks

[trail hull]

Psyduck is technically one

Oh nvm

[weak trellis]

maybe farfetch'd if you squint hard enough

[eager jungle]

#1235048817171103834

[ivory rune]

farfetch'd is based on a duck iirc yeah

[trail hull]

But it’s at the sprite choice

[civic harness]

But Spriters can remake it own sprites an show it to the glow up team

[trail hull]

Yes but I have no plan to do so with diglett (tho I did a few redesign )

[civic harness]

Hello there Term, what do you think about this guys waiting for an reveals?

[trail hull]

Oh yeah the Japanese proverb

[eager jungle]

?

[eager jungle]

who ?

[civic harness]

Really? I mean, all this users

[eager jungle]

yeah and it doesn't hold a leek but an oignon

[eager jungle]

idk what you're on

[twin phoenix]

Onyo?

[eager jungle]

but i wish i'll know more about the stuff comming in x)

[trail hull]

In my language the joke is that he actually has a leek but his name reference artichoke

[stuck bane]

Wouldn’t silvally technically bring pure flying fusions as well? Arceus with the plate and silvally with whatever memories it gets? Tornadus is the only one that doesn’t need an item

[civic harness]

[ivory rune]

yeah that'd work too but silvally isn't in the game yet

[civic harness]

Well, come here and make theories with us

[stuck bane]

Ye, was just wondering, silvally now officially has 1 reason to be added despite being budget arceus in every way

[velvet root]

What 15 mons do you wish get in

[trail hull]

What are yours zero ?

[stuck bane]

I’ve thought about what will get in, or what would be best worth for the number of slots we have, but what would I want? I’ll need to think about it but Lilligant for sure

Unova starters
Lilligant
Heatran
Swords of justice

I know it’s completely unrealistic but these would prob be my wants

[trail hull]

Technically the most worth fusion potential would be 15 single stages but that would be lame as there are cooler choices

[proud lion]

Out of all the two Slotters, who do you want as 474/475?

[trail hull]

I Hope we get one unova mon

[stuck bane]

@trail hull wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world

[stuck bane]

Dude at least, 6 keeps us at pace with the other regions I at least want 6 slots and if it has to be monkeys I’ll take them

[velvet root]

Gogoat and Golisopod are must haves for me 4
Furfrou fits the update too well so 1
Unova Fossils would make another 4
A Sinnoh representer with Toxicroak sounds nice 2
Maybe Hoeen with Relicanth and Camerupt too being another 3
Now im at 14 so I add a pika clone, since we miss quiet a lot of them, with Emolga

[trail hull]

You choosed the best single stages possible

[velvet root]

But my list changes quiet a bit constantly cuz I like a lot of mon

[stuck bane]

I mean, I tried, and besides maybe carnivine pachi being replaced with minior, I think it would be the best for us

[trail hull]

That would be great

[humble lance]

summoning square

[velvet root]

Ludicolo should get in with Shiftree imo
Same for Slurpuff and Aromatisse

[eager jungle]

busy rn

[humble lance]

okay but do u really want nuzleaf fusions

[velvet root]

yes

[humble lance]

do you really

[velvet root]

yes

[ivory rune]

Seedot and Shiftry fusions might be cool but I do not trust IF spriters with a mon that has nipples

[velvet root]

Remember that rules still exist

[civic harness]

Make sense, just wait and see us making funny and paranoic theories

[dusty arrow]

im live

[fallen loom]

I want Gen 5 Bugs

[rancid nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/leavanny-pokemon-bug-grass-hello-gif-18653110

[civic harness]

Tell us why

[fallen loom]

I'm honestly surprised that Drillbur and Starly aren't in yet

because Gen 5 has some of the best Bug Types

[humble lance]

add my man kricketune

i need to hear the delelelewooooooooop

[molten latch]

Saem

We want the violin bug

[fallen loom]

These are my guesses:
Cosmog, Cosmoem, Solgaleo, Lunala
Zygarde 10%, Zygarde 50%, Zygarde Complete (like Necrozma and Regigigas before, it hints at another trio to come)
Cutiefly, Ribombee (or any two-stage Bug type)
Spheal, Sealeo, Walrein (very close to getting in last time)
Binacle, Barbaracle (one of Frog's favourites, plus it means we get Tough Claws)
Minior/Torkoal/Luvdisc/Alomomola/any other single staged Pokémon

[humble lance]

no luvdisc or alomomola

[finite thistle]

Really hope Goli gets in. Man has been denied too many times

[dusty arrow]

we dont have tough claws yet???

[finite thistle]

Zygarde and Cosmoem are pretty cool, though with how conservative the Showdown scene is, even 50% will probably get banned immediately

[fallen loom]

nope

[dusty arrow]

kinda shocked

[fallen loom]

we almost had Tough Claws with Lycanroc, but the frog hates Dusk form

[finite thistle]

TRUE

[dusty arrow]

dusk mane???

thats a necrozma form-

its just dusk lycanroc

[finite thistle]

Man did the same thing I do like half the time

[fallen loom]

you get the point

[dusty arrow]

even though dusk is like the best one

[fallen loom]

right???

[finite thistle]

Also True

[dusty arrow]

tough claws boosted drill run go hard

[finite thistle]

And to make things even worse, Midnight doesn't have No Guard?

[fallen loom]

I don't know why Frog won't listen to requests and let Midnight have Tough Claws

[dusty arrow]

WHAT

[fallen loom]

replace Keen Eye with Tough Claws and let HAs be obtainable

[dusty arrow]

who tf even uses keen eye

[fallen loom]

exactly

people kept on requesting it, but Frog loves to screw over the doggos

[weak trellis]

Anime Form

[dusty arrow]

is lycanroc frogs least favorite pokemon or somethin

[weak trellis]

tbh I'm on frog's side with that one outside of the no guard thing if that is correct

(I can check that with debug by the end of the hour)

[fallen loom]

it was in the games and has different BST distribution to the other forms (slightly), plus learns more moves AND has the best Ability, but according to frog it's like adding in notched eared Pichu

[weak trellis]

different BST?

[dusty arrow]

thats not how it works frog 💀

[dusty arrow]

dusk has less speed but more attack than midday iirc

[fallen loom]

re-arranged stats

that

[finite thistle]

Yeah, it might be wrong. It was pretty early on into the introduction when it occured, so maybe it wasn't intentional

[fallen loom]

but people kept requesting it over and over again

also I don't get why some TMs are still inaccessible, especially ones like Stone Edge

[weak trellis]

+2 attack in exchange for -2 speed

[fallen loom]

it has more than +2 attack with Tough Claws

[finite thistle]

Wow, its that small

[dusty arrow]

honestly even though dusk is my favorite lycanroc form, ive always been attached to midnight because i got it from that one event when sm first came out

[weak trellis]

"how to out yourself as a member of the Tough Claws Collective without actually saying it"

and also anime clout I guess

[finite thistle]

TBF Ash's Sun and Moon team is insane

[fallen loom]

Midday is just the best form for looking so basic sadly, since Midnight was always mid and even midder now without No Guard

[finite thistle]

Easily his best team since the original run

[dusty arrow]

xyz is still better smh

[ivory rune]

sand rush i already a great ability and you could always just fuse it with something that has an even stronger ability

[fallen loom]

you mean since Kalos

[dusty arrow]

(im still salty that he lost to alan)

[fallen loom]

me too

and then Alan came back and was banished as soon as he lost to some E4 member

[dusty arrow]

good

[finite thistle]

Man had a Mythical, an Ultra Beast and an exclusive form. Sure we also got one of those in Kalos, but we also got a team full of Flying types

[dusty arrow]

exclusive form?

[fallen loom]

3 Flying types, but 4 weak to Electric

Dusk Mane isn't Ash exclusive, he was just lucky

[dusty arrow]

isnt like half of his sm team weak to ground though

[fallen loom]

in SV Dusk Mane is treated like a normal Pokémon, just harder to get

[finite thistle]

Alan got demolished by Leon if I remember correctly. Easily the worst fight in that tournament

[fallen loom]

I forgot who he lost against

[dusty arrow]

well, four because pikachu

[fallen loom]

either way he got banished for it

[dusty arrow]

am i the only one who thinks melmetal and zeraora shouldve been part fighting

especially zeraora

[finite thistle]

Zeraora definitely, wouldn't mind it on Melmetal

[fallen loom]

also Ash's Incineroar had it rough:
Couldn't use any Z-Moves after it forgot its one normal move until a tree died
Wasn't used for any Kahuna fights
Ko'd as soon as it evolved, so we never see it fight

[dusty arrow]

so that makes 5 ground weak sm ash pokemon

[finite thistle]

That's fair, the Kukui fight is increadible, but it does have a few unremarkable KOs

[toxic flame]

Imagine we reach 500 Pokémon total and a few weeks later the devs decide to add even more

[fallen loom]

Zeraora was weird, since it seemed like GT hated Electric/Fighting types until we got 3 in SM and Zeraora is just banished after the shiny spree in SwSh

[zealous lichen]

im hoping for some more announcements for new pokemon this week

[dusty arrow]

what were the three electric/fightings we got in sm again-

[fallen loom]

not 500 Pokémon, 500 entries, since 6 "Pokémon" are actually forms with separate slots

[zealous lichen]

pawmo pawmot are the only 2 I know

[finite thistle]

The Electric/Dark typing feels similar. Especially with how screwed over Morepeko is without Nuzzle

[fallen loom]

Pikachu clone evos and Iron Hands

[dusty arrow]

thats sv, not sm

[zealous lichen]

I forgot about Iron Hands lol

[toxic flame]

Oh 😦

[stuck bane]

Morpeko was first electric fighting though right? So we got none before

[toxic flame]

Luxray should have been part dark type

[dusty arrow]

morpeko is electric/dark

[molten latch]

Phew, I thought it was an important announcement for a sec. Its just a new channel for native speakers.

[fallen loom]

Morpeko doesn't even use Electric/Dark typing properly, since it's mono Electric or mono Dark in functionality

[stuck bane]

Wait no I meant Pawmot my bad

[dusty arrow]

technically pawmo, since it comes before pawmot in the dex

[stuck bane]

Everything for me is separated between Gen 7 below and Gen 8 and up

[finite thistle]

Same

[fallen loom]

sad Orbeetle wasn't in SV TBH

[dusty arrow]

i like orbeetles design but he just.. sucks man

like not as bad as spidops but still

[finite thistle]

I'd have loved to see Cramorant in this game

[fallen loom]

is it that bad?

[dusty arrow]

yes

[fallen loom]

is Scarb thing better?

[dusty arrow]

sadly

[finite thistle]

Or Galarian Stunfisk, but that's doubly impossible

[dusty arrow]

yeah, it is

rabsca

[finite thistle]

Revival Blessing is such a house

[dusty arrow]

revival blessing sure is a move

[finite thistle]

I do find it funny that Pokemon didn't even hesitate to ban Smeargle from using the move

[dusty arrow]

at least they didnt nerf the pokemon with that move because of smeargle

cough cough darkrai

[fallen loom]

what if quadruple fusions were a thing, so we could get these fusions:
Regis
Birdies
Doggo + bird

[finite thistle]

What makes it even funnier is how crazy some of the other new moves Smeargle can learn. Baton Passing No Retreat is something you can indeed do

[stuck bane]

Swords of justice would prob be there too

Tapus

[dusty arrow]

baton pass
z-celebrate
no retreat

[finite thistle]

The hellscape that is Nat Dex formats if Baton Pass was legal

[fallen loom]

I don't get the nerfs TBH, like why screw over Zamazenta or ruin Gale Wings to spite Flying Types even further?

[velvet root]

stupid announcement

[thorny ferry]

The message in #announcements made me think for a sec that there would be a new mon 💔

Good for the russians tho

[tender plank]

legit got jumscared by it at first

[fallen loom]

if you want ping announcements just get the role for it

[weak trellis]

late ish but no guard is working fine on midnight lycanroc

[finite thistle]

Zamazenta is symmetrical, so I at least get that one, but I do think gen 7 nerfs on a whole are overkill. Hence why I like Infinite Fusion's in game mechanics so much

[stuck bane]

Unfortunately a side effect of being in announcements

[weak trellis]

at least in rando/debug, in vanilla it's inaccessible

[finite thistle]

Weird

[fallen loom]

I guess it is symmetrical? I don't get the nerf if the sister dog was the problem

[weak trellis]

probably to accommodate for the new Body Press

[finite thistle]

There a pair, what you do to one, you should probably do to the other. It would be weird mechanically otherwise

[weak trellis]

considering that regidrago didn't get the same nerf eleki's 200 base speed did

[fallen loom]

that is stupid, why are so many things not in vanilla? A load of missing TMs, as well as HAs

[weak trellis]

#ReturntheReturnTM

[finite thistle]

Oh yeah, that's a weird one

[fallen loom]

yes

[finite thistle]

Doubly so since a 200 stat is the Regi's thing

[fallen loom]

because only popular, strong types can stay that way. I mean watch GF nerf Gorilla Tactics because an Ice Type has it, yet Fairy can stay broken

[weak trellis]

gorilla probably won't get touched since I recall its user being pretty bad in 4v4 doubles

[finite thistle]

How many HAs are exclusive to the rando? No Guard is the first one I've heard

[fallen loom]

when was Regileki's speed nerfed?

[fallen loom]

also Return is like the one good physical Normal TM in the game

Return, Light Screen, Stone Edge, Volt Switch and Toxic Spikes should be in normal gameplay already

[ivory rune]

eleki didnt have its speed nerfed, its ability was nerfed so it doesnt hit as hard

[finite thistle]

Rock Slide and Stone Edge both being out really hurts Rock coverage

[finite thistle]

That makes more sense

[fallen loom]

Rocky Payload is going to get nerfed next Gen because a Flying Type has it

[fallen loom]

it's why debug should be a thing already unlocked TBH, so you can get better coverage

aren't like 30 TMs inaccessible?

[finite thistle]

True, would make compiling 6 Meloetta for a playthrough I'm planning much easier

Some of those TMs are pretty wild. Spore on something like Whimiscott was enough to get the move banned lol

[fallen loom]

I get Spore and Incinerate, but then again replace then and add all TMs in

like replace the broken ones and let us just have them all

[finite thistle]

Its 18 TMs specifically unavailable outside of Randomizer

[weak trellis]

from what I can tell most nerfs are done for the context of 4v4 doubles specifically

hence cresselia getting hit despite being not used a lot in singles

[finite thistle]

+2TMs that spawn in areas that, from what I can tell, are no longer in the game

[fallen loom]

I wish the games would use doubles instead of always singles, since it makes competitive feel disjointed from regular gameplay

[finite thistle]

Agreed

[fallen loom]

which ones?

[weak trellis]

I can agree with that

instead of them basically being "PvE mode" and "PvP mode"

[ivory rune]

but also urshifu and calyrex are totally fine because they cost 30 dollars

[fallen loom]

it also makes it harder for new players to get used to competitive

[weak trellis]

technically 35$ for urshifu and 90$ for calyrex

[finite thistle]

Hey, Scald is no Longer Randomizer only according to the Wiki

[finite thistle]

Overheat was listed in Cinnabar in a Volcano cave that no longer existed. Now I see that its on Kindle Road. Though there are 0 details on where on the Wiki

Rock Slide was originally supposed to be somewhere in MT. Moon, but it ain't even on the TM list anymore

I do hate Gen 9's new transfer system. Not only does it allow non-native mons into competitive, but it scrubs legacy movesets, which feels totally unnecessary given how effectively they were handled for 3 gens with the Mark systeme

[fallen loom]

right?

I don't get why they removed so many moves either

also why get rid of Heal Order?

[finite thistle]

I think it was redundant with Roost, but it still feels weird

[terse fable]

Got jumpscared by the announcements thought it would be a new mon lol, still cool tho

[fallen loom]

plus some Pokémon in SV don't learn moves they should, like Sneasel with Crush Grip

[ivory rune]

I understand some moves being removed like dropping Hidden Power for balance reasons, but Return and Pursuit were perfectly good moves that had no right to be axed

[finite thistle]

Heck the way they removed them in gen 8 is really funny since they can still be on your mon, you just can't select them

[fallen loom]

HP needs to be in for Unown

[finite thistle]

Having both Pursuit and buffed Knock Off in a game without permanent items is a bit much for Psychics to handle

[fallen loom]

removing Return for decent Normal coverage at 102 base attack at max friendship and Pursuit for no reason is some BS

[sullen elbow]

Having a bunch of broken ghost types also is so

[fallen loom]

if anything Take Down should have been removed

[finite thistle]

True, it didn't help that Steel no longer resists them

Honestly I'd prefer either Knock Off get nerfed or Sticky Hold get buffed

[sullen elbow]

they shouldve given that Ghost resistance to rock instead

[fallen loom]

Rock is such a RIP type

RIP: Rock, Ice, Psychic

[finite thistle]

Psychic used to be cool, before the Fairies happened

[fallen loom]

Ice used to have a niche before the fairies happened

Fairy ruined everything

[finite thistle]

I think Mamoswine is the only example of a good defensive Ice type

Same I think goes for Cradily, though there are mono rock types like Regirock that make up for their bad typing with stats

[fallen loom]

GF with Ice Types: They're all bulky, but have no resistances and are SE against 5 types, but have no attack and speed for whatever reason

[full bison]

Ice is still amazing offensively, it just needs to play to it's strengths. Look at how busted Chien-Pao is

And Iron Bundle

[fallen loom]

and Weavile used to be

and Kyurem

[finite thistle]

True and Ice/Water is a much better typing than people give it credit for

[fallen loom]

Iron Bundle is hope for Ice Types

[dusty arrow]

ice type magikarp is pretty good too

[finite thistle]

Kyurem is so cool. So glad its getting the moves it deserves after all this time

[dusty arrow]

scale shot icicle spear dice kyurem-b

[full bison]

Almost forgot Bax, but Ice wasn't as big a piece of what made it super busted as Scale Shot was

[fallen loom]

who do you think will be the 700th Pokémon in the game? I think it will be Rotom Heat

[finite thistle]

Dragon Dance too

[dusty arrow]

true

[full bison]

The REAL dead type is,sadly, Bug

[dusty arrow]

my favorite type, i am very sad

[fallen loom]

Bug resists Fairy

[full bison]

Nope, other way around

For some stupid reason

[fallen loom]

eesh

[dusty arrow]

why does fairy resist bug
WHY

[finite thistle]

Bug/Steel is still amazing and Ribombee's Bug/Fairy typing does wonders for it offensively

[full bison]

Bug's offensive points are all irrelevant. Psychic sucks, Grass isn't much better, abd most viable Dark types have secondary types that cancel out their Bug weakness

It's a type that's integral to the series identity, it deserves 100 times better

[fallen loom]

Bug should be strong against Electric

Fairy ruined everything

[dusty arrow]

give bug something that buffs it please gamefreak

[fallen loom]

it ruined Ice, Dragon, Psychic and Bug

[rain locust]

gale wings was insane in gen 6

[dusty arrow]

how did it ruin ice

[rain locust]

and psychic

bug was ass a long time ago

[fallen loom]

immune to Dragon and before then Dragon was only weak to itself and Ice

[rain locust]

ice is still good though

[dusty arrow]

this bug slander is getting out of hand

[fallen loom]

Fairy resists Psychic's main weakness and is SE against its main strength

[dusty arrow]

name all types that ice resists

[full bison]

It's not slander if it's true

[rain locust]

ofc ice was never a defensive type

[fallen loom]

Fairy ruined Bug further because it resists Bug and is SE against Dark Types too

[rain locust]

but its incredible offensively you can see it with bundle/weavile/mamo

[fallen loom]

Kyurem

Chien-Pao

[dusty arrow]

make fairy weak to bug
that will make bug shoot up in viability

[rain locust]

thatd also make half the uturn users broken

[fallen loom]

get rid of Fairy

[dusty arrow]

give ice a few resists (grass and flying at least)

[fallen loom]

Ice should resist Fairy

[full bison]

I remember seeing Frosmoth for the first time and thinking it was gonna be the next Volcarona. But nope, worst type combo possible combined with slow bulky ice type meme

[fallen loom]

Ice should only resist OP types/types with few weaknesses

[dusty arrow]

psychic/dark and ice/rock is worse imo

[rain locust]

ice rock actually has great offensive coverage

[fallen loom]

Ice should resist: Ice, Fairy and Water

[dusty arrow]

please do not try to defend ice/rock aint no way

[full bison]

Ice Scales especially takes the P*** because even with doubled Special Defence I guarantee it still dies to any Flamethrower

[finite thistle]

Aurorus ain't the worst Pokemon around. Girl is bad, but she can do work sometimes

[rain locust]

load one ground move and you hit almost everything

[fallen loom]

there's a reason Hisuian Avalugg all died out

[rain locust]

yeah cause its 28 spe

[dusty arrow]

exactly

[dusty arrow]

its stats are almost the same as base avalugg

[finite thistle]

I always forget that that thing exists. God its bad

[dusty arrow]

just less sp def and more speed im pretty sire

aure*

SURE*

[fallen loom]

and more weaknesses

[finite thistle]

More speed, lol

[rain locust]

my point is that the existent ice rock mons are ass

ice rock inherently is not necessarily bad

[fallen loom]

lol

[full bison]

Because giving Avalugg like 20 extra speed will totally fix it lmoa

[inland jewel]

Ice/Rock is an amazing type offensively

[dusty arrow]

aurorus is good on paper
and then the type

[fallen loom]

all Ice/Rock types ARE extinct

[inland jewel]

but then its given to slow bulky mons

[dusty arrow]

give it electro ball with its blazing speed

[rain locust]

give it 80 more speed and it can cook

[full bison]

It reminds me of how Lycanroc Midnight was supposed to be the bulky equivalent of Midday, but went about this by giving all of it's defensive stats an extra 10 points in exchange for losing 30 Speed lol

[weak trellis]

ice/rock wants the general stat spread of deozys-A but keeps ending up with bronzong's stat spread

[full bison]

Gamefreak doesn't understand balance at all

[fallen loom]

Ice/Rock would be good if it had 150 base speed and 120 base attack, but frail AF defences, because who needs def when you have so many weaknesses

[dusty arrow]

they created palafin
need i say more

[weak trellis]

they balance for flavor first and gameplay optional

[dusty arrow]

(type) would be good if you give it (busted ass stats)

[fallen loom]

also give it Accelrock

[rain locust]

you dont need 150 spe

[fallen loom]

120 speed

[rain locust]

even like 105-120 is good

[fallen loom]

stats:
60
120
5
2
1
150

[full bison]

Remember when Gamefreak gave Tinkaton a busted signature move and only 75 Attack to use it with to balance it out?And then made Bloodmoon Ursaluna with an identical signature move backed up by a way higher offensive stat combined with Buffed Scrappy? That was funny

[finite thistle]

What is this, an Ultra Beast

[dim sparrow]

steels still exists though

[dim sparrow]

mega beedrill be like

[fallen loom]

I miss megas

have them be proper evos

[rain locust]

every rock has ground coverage

[finite thistle]

Bloodmoon Ursaluna in general is a mistake. The man is basically a Paradox Pokemon in all but name

[rain locust]

unless its a weirdo like nihilego

[finite thistle]

Every Ice type should have Water coverage.

[fallen loom]

I bet it'll be locked to one game like how Notch Eared Pichu was

^

[finite thistle]

We can only hope. When I saw that the TCG was printing him as a basic I nearly lost it

[full bison]

If we ever get a game that gives the UBs different abilities, you think Nihilego would get Poison Puppeteer? Cause I could totally see Gamefreak unleashing that kind of abomination

[trail hull]

yay I'm done fusing diglett with the enwest starters finally

[fallen loom]

remember when all legendaries and mythicals had the same boring ability?

[finite thistle]

The Pressure of creativity and powercreep

[full bison]

I really wished they gave Dialga and Palkia more flavorful abilities but that ship has definitely sailed

[finite thistle]

IKR, such a missed opportunity with their origin forms

Actually, Mew has Synchronize so only the legendaries all had the same ability

[rain locust]

these went hard

[finite thistle]

Dang, even type changes? Both legends have S tier type combos

[full bison]

Rewind is the kind of ability I would waste on stupid things like Fling shenanigans

[rain locust]

it used draco meteor + eject pack here

[full bison]

U-Turn on crack lol

[rain locust]

basically

[dusty arrow]

also steroids
and also crushed dragon gems

[finite thistle]

Eject Pack is such a cool item. Shame Intimidate makes it kind of bad

[full bison]

Space Divide is pretty oddly phrased. What does it actually do, in more descriptive terms?

[rain locust]

using psycho boost lowers your spa by 2

space divide then raises your atk by 2

[full bison]

OK that's fun as hell

Mixed attackers go crazy with that

[rain locust]

yeah it has superpower to go with it

[dusty arrow]

so if -def boosts spdef and -spdef boosts def
what does close combat do

[rain locust]

itd probably just boost both so cancel the debuffs

[finite thistle]

Dang, they gave out Superpower even more than Knock Off

[dusty arrow]

shouldve had an ability where roar of time has no recharge tbh

[finite thistle]

That would be sick

[finite thistle]

An item that switches you out when you're in recharge state would be really cool

[inland jewel]

red card

[dusty arrow]

so its like meteor beam or electro shot.. but kinda worse

[inland jewel]

or was it eject button

[hollow creek]

Hey stinkies

[finite thistle]

Yeah, Eject Button could work for that

[dusty arrow]

im going to use that when i get home thank you

[rain locust]

you can get multiple boosts though so its appealing

[dusty arrow]

vigoroth split evo when

[rain locust]

tbh roar of time was more for the base form

who has a more defensive spread and typing

[finite thistle]

The other evo would totally just get Slow Start

[dusty arrow]

thats actually kinda busted, especially now since trick room is really good now

[dusty arrow]

i would be pissed

[rain locust]

its kinda antisynergy tbh with roar of time bc trick room is intended to move fast

[finite thistle]

I would die for this. Trick Room needs some direct support. Room Service is sorely lacking

[full bison]

Magic Room and Wonder Room too. Those two are completely forgotten

[dusty arrow]

pokemon with trick room setting ability but it has decent speed

[sullen elbow]

Still broken in doubles

[finite thistle]

Exactly what I was thinking. That would make the opportunity cost less troublesome for doubles

[rain locust]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/alternatium-ex-pmpl.3701560/ if you want to see more this is from a pet mod where only pokemon with alternate forms are allowed (and theyre all modified)

[dusty arrow]

im still mad at gamefreak for giving toedscruel good speed and spore but.. thst ability

[rain locust]

they did that because of spore

bc 100 spe spore is broken

[full bison]

If it didn't have that ability you and everyone else would hate it, let's be real

It would be almost as bad as Togekiss

[dusty arrow]

nah i wouldnt

id be the mf running choice scarf spore for the funny

[finite thistle]

Does Toedscuel get any boosting moves? You could probably make that ability work pretty well on a stat booster

[rain locust]

i dont believe so

[dusty arrow]

it prbably gets growth

but its attacking stats arent that good

[finite thistle]

Oh yeah, its stats are super unballanced towards Special Defense and Speed. Even its HP ain't great

[dusty arrow]

also grass/ground isnt that great of a type

[finite thistle]

True

[full bison]

Mycelium Might ignores Magic Bounce, so it could be a great Spikes setter if it existed alongside Mega Sableye

[dusty arrow]

mycelium might x toxic debris on ferrothorn

[finite thistle]

I do miss Paraflinching people. I need more Serene Grace since the best rock got banned

[clever snow]

Im pretty sure thats just evil.

[finite thistle]

I like alternate win cons like Perish trapping. It can be fun to build around rare strategies that actually give a mon a semi unique identity

Would kill for another mon with Quick Draw

[dusty arrow]

agility metronome (item) sharpness fury cutter kleavor

[full bison]

I'd like more move subtypes with unique interactions, like how Sound-based moves ignore Substitute

[clever snow]

if a quickdraw pokemon gets quickclaw does it stack % of going first?

[dusty arrow]

yes

[clever snow]

goofy ah 50% priority galarian slowbro ig

[dusty arrow]

its not 50 sadly

[clever snow]

sobbing crying throwing up

[dusty arrow]

but its still higher than without quick claw

[finite thistle]

Speaking of which, I haven't had a chance to build one for UU yet. Losing Celebi is rough, but hopefully Celemewichi can fill the gap

[rain locust]

need to sort out uu more

probably ban yanmega

[dusty arrow]

regitrio when i punch it kinda hard

[rain locust]

maybe ill get a couple tours organized this week

[finite thistle]

Its also why I really wanna see Serperior, Drudigon or Togedemaru get in. They all make great Paralysis spreaders

[dusty arrow]

we need a special defense version of body press

[dusty arrow]

and dont give it to blissey or chansey

[full bison]

Speaking of triple fusions, I feel like Kyodonquaza should have access to either the Superweather abilities or at least access to the trio's standard abilities. Weather's their whole thing and Kyodonquaza can't participate

[rain locust]

chansey only has 105 spd thats not hitting v hard

[full bison]

I'd also like a physical version of Psyshock that hits the special defense stat

[dusty arrow]

seismic toss is its only other damage option, and the spdef is also gonna be boosted by eviolite

[rain locust]

eviolite does not boost body press

[dusty arrow]

thats stupid but ok

[rain locust]

choice band does though

[dusty arrow]

..why?

[clever snow]

give shuckle body press bc it would be funny

[full bison]

Body Press logic is beyond understanding

[dusty arrow]

yes

[inland jewel]

the funny thing is that we don't have the code for Body Press

so we can't give it to him

[dusty arrow]

can we have a mega kilowattrel just so it can be called megawattrel

[clever snow]

in shambles rn

[dusty arrow]

it would be so awesome
it would be so cool

[inland jewel]

Mega-Yanmega

[dusty arrow]

yanmegas japanese name is basically mega yanma lmao

[sullen elbow]

Mega-Meganium

[dusty arrow]

dragoniteite

[finite thistle]

You could have an ability that activates Trick Room when you get hit with certain types of moves. Kind of like how Rattled or Justified Works you just couldn't stack it

[full bison]

Give Meganium a Mega and a Z move, therefore we get Mega Meganium and Meganiumnium

[inland jewel]

Better yet

Mega-Megamega

[finite thistle]

Mega-Megamega Megawheats

[dusty arrow]

make mahoraga bug a pokemon

[full bison]

Leafhoppers would probably be a gimmick mon with how much variety they have. This is one of the less odd variations surprisingly

[lone dome]

[stuck cave]

Why does it have hairy tadpoles on its head

[full bison]

Scientists think it's supposed to look like spider eyes as a form of defensive mimicry

[lilac fiber]

Who got banned?

Also any fustions made for the new mons yet?

[finite thistle]

King's Rock got banned in gen 8. Probably still enough Serene Grace mons to make a team on IF once we get them all

[marble meadow]

can,t wait to have contrary as an ability in if

[fathom ridge]

parasect

[finite thistle]

Not attached to a mon with no attack

[marble meadow]

just my opinion malamar is the better mon with contrary

[finite thistle]

Yeah, we'd also get Topsy-Turvy that way too

[marble meadow]

good typing and solid stats

[sullen elbow]

Wobbafett and hitmontop fusions get it already

Although I guess they get it kinda late

[full bison]

Imagine our first Contrary mon is Spinda

[marble meadow]

malamar learns superpower wich instead lowers it stats it raise it cuz of contrary

theres only one superior contrary mon malamar cuz only weak to bug and fairy right

[prime dust]

ah yes, the mon with 8Billion variations

[sullen elbow]

Our first contrary mon is shuckle

[full bison]

I forget Shuckle has that

It doesn't make a lot of sense on it honestly

[marble meadow]

i wonder if malamar can make a cthulu fusion ref

[full bison]

Oh there will definitely be a few of those

It works too well

[silk narwhal]

no announcement in three days
new announcement
Russian channel

[stoic sluice]

Any questions?

[marble meadow]

can,t wait to see some horror cursed parasect fusions whit the new mons

[silk narwhal]

Yeah, why

I need my glorious bug

[marble meadow]

in russia pokemon fuse with you

[stoic sluice]

Why not?

[silk narwhal]

Because i need golisopod