pif-hoenn-discussion

[inland jewel]

though it would be better for it to have U-turn since its SpAtk stat is like dogwater

considering the results of Winner's poll. they don't seem to find that an issue

[molten latch]

Yes

[inland jewel]

to bad that while Alomomola is actually good, its a nightmare to sprite

its body fusions be looking bad fr

[molten latch]

Alomomora is underrated design wise, but dang now that you ecplain it to me, I was wrong.

Its a decent pokemon

[inland jewel]

yee, I love Alo. I tend to draft a team I want to use when going into a game, and Alo made it onto the team in BW, USUM, and SV

[rain locust]

alomomola would be p busted in the meta

fuse it with doublade

[inland jewel]

yee its defense stat is great!

actually yeah this discussion be motivating me, time to make alo concept art for the concept art contest

[empty pendant]

fuse sharpedo head alomomola body for a regular mola

[molten latch]

Maybe

[inland jewel]

Alomedo 105 attack/ 85 speed, defensive stats 113 HP , 55/55 def/spdef

[clear lichen]

Holy shit

Mola

Amolamola

[inland jewel]

Sharpmola- 90 atk, but also 76 spatk. and 75 speed. however, 103 hp, 60 def, and 41 spdef

so yeah its a pretty good attacker, since Alom has an unusually high attack stat

pretty good ability since it gets regenerator

[rancid drift]

Emogla should be added

[prime dust]

no

[molten latch]

Why?

[wide merlin]

maybe but some liki kommo o have more luck to be added for increase the number of pokémon dragon in the game . Emolga can because he is the only with zapdos for electric/ flying pokémon but after the type with the less number of pokémon

[rancid drift]

Electric/flying

only one other than zapdos

[inland jewel]

oricorio pom pom

[clear lichen]

Emolga provides the uncommon Electric type and the common Flying type while Kommo-O provides the uncommon Dragon and Fighting types (in terms of numbers, not percentages)

[stuck bane]

This guy gets it!

Flying type with motor drive!

What don’t people understand about that?

[clear lichen]

Emolga does get electric immunity ability with the Flying type that's a good point

But its stats are a bit lacking

[stuck bane]

Gyarados but it’s immune to electric and outspeeds almost every rock type

[clear lichen]

So if you want viability obviously the pika clone wouldn't be as good as the literal one of the best Pseudo legendaries in the game

[inland jewel]

i mean, sure the niche of flying getting motor drive, but we have a semi of that where its Lanturn but with water instead

[clear lichen]

Does Emolga have any half usable physical Flying move

Or does Gyarados continue to take Ls

[stuck bane]

Acrobatics naturally

[clear lichen]

Man, I wish Moonblast was a bullet/bomb move

[calm zephyr]

It’s not???

[clear lichen]

Only good if you're itemless, but I could see that working

[clear lichen]

Nope

[stuck bane]

aerial ace as ™ but not the best

[calm zephyr]

Sadness

[clear lichen]

Nobody uses Aerial Ace

[stuck bane]

Otherwise air slash and roost but those are the only other notable ones

[clear lichen]

But yeah, if Moonblast was a bullet/bomb move, Kommo-O would be so much funnier

[wide merlin]

i have hope for ice pokemon , 23 are in the game and it's possible than abomasnow can to have big luck for to come in the game

[molten latch]

Oh yeah

Baraka Obama-snow

[stuck bane]

Numerical Order:
20/36 Ice Types (55.5%)
28/55 Electric Types (50.9%)
29/56 Fighting Types (51.7%)
29/48 Dark Types (60.4%)
29/47 Fairy Types (61%)
34/50 Steel Types (68%)
35/45 Ghost Types (77.7%)
36/48 Dragon Types (75%)
38/77 Bug Types (49.3%)
38/67 Fire Types (56.7%)
41/62 Rock Types (66.1%)
46/89 Psychic Types (51.6%)
46/68 Ground Types (67.6%)
47/84 Normal Types (55.9%, excludes flying)
47/66 Poison Types (71.2%)
52/97 Grass Types (53.6%)
60/106 Flying Types (56.6%)
70/135 Water Types (51.8%)

Where are you getting an extra 3 from?

[calm zephyr]

Omg now you got me imagining those fusions those would be so cool

[clear lichen]

Well too bad, it isn't a bullet/bomb move

[rain locust]

bad stats

[calm zephyr]

😭

[clear lichen]

But Kommo-O brings the fun family game "Guess the set or you're fucked" to Infinite Fusion

And that's nice to see

[wide merlin]

i had search with ctrl f on fusiondex for check and three "ice" are present with the ice type pokemon

[stuck bane]

I suppose… it’s really only got speed

[clear lichen]

Instead of calling it 4MSS, call it set versatility

Fr

They should let Kommo-O have either the Z Move or the Gen 8 move

They literally added the Gen 8 move because Kommo-O was always designed with the omniboost in mind

And they didn't feel right taking it away

That said neither would be balanced lmfao

[stuck bane]

Dew, cloy, Jynx, lap, arti, sneas, swin line, deli, smooch, snorunt line, regice, weav, glace, Kyu, aurorus line,

That’s 20. I’m def not missing any

[clear lichen]

Bringing the fun family game of "Guess the set or die" in full force would be funny

If its half assed it's still funny but not as funny

You also need to guess between abilities, since all 3 of Kommo-O's are good

Not quite great but the fact that there's 3 makes them better

[molten latch]

Now I really Imagine of Diancie/Kommo-O fusion.

Like a dressed dragon covered in pink diamonds

And some cutie patootie sparkles

But idk yet

Diancie isn't in the game yet.

[clear lichen]

I love seeing my opponent try to guess between Z Move, SubSalac Belly Drum, Throat Spray Clangerous Soul, Physical Clangerous Soul, Dragon Dance, Tera Normal Boomburst, Tera Steel Flash Cannon, Soundproof, Bulletproof, Overcoat etc etc etc

So many sets and so many options in said sets

Like I said

4MSS? Nah, set versatility

[molten latch]

I see

Would Kommo-O be in the game?

Despite evryone hating on it?

[clear lichen]

Idk why people hate on it, it is clearly a peak Pokemon

Tbf it's hard to sprite

But that said that'd be getting in due to difficulty to sprite

And not because of hate

But people definitely hate it

And idk why honestly I think it's a great design

[molten latch]

Yeah

[clear lichen]

Used to not really care about it in Competitive but "Guess the set or fucking die" is such a fun game

[molten latch]

Everyone will just vote on the *imp magnet queen or a literal sardine.

[clear lichen]

You gotta be more specific

There's a lot of feminine Pokemon

And there's a lot of fish

[molten latch]

But never was the poor komodo covered in tamburine brass scales.

Yeah

[molten latch]

What I meant is Tsareena and Wishiwashi.

[clear lichen]

I have seen 0 Wishiwashi fans

[molten latch]

Kommo-O deserves better.

[molten latch]

There is 1

And I know it.

[clear lichen]

I honestly quite like the concept of School Form

But I imagine spriting it would be hell

[molten latch]

Yeah

It aint fun and games.

As for Tsareena, it would be just breaking the rules.

But yeah.

[clear lichen]

Tsareena's a good Pokemon but uhhh

How do I put this

The Internet is an unusual place

[molten latch]

Yes

Thats what I meant

[clear lichen]

I'd prefer to ignore the Internet and vote independently though

[molten latch]

Thats why I called it a *imp magnet.

Ye

True

[clear lichen]

I forgot if I voted a 2 or 3 for Tsareena

[molten latch]

For me, I prefer Lurantis or Lilligant

They're way cuter.

And safer than sorry.

[rain locust]

geomancy user call that an imp magnet

[molten latch]

Lul

Its manual censorship.

I know I can say it but, never the other words.

If you know what I mean.

But back on topic

Kommo-O has good stats, its just whack that its tricky to make fusions out of it.

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-gif-10730821

Those Tambourine-esque Scales are all over on the neck, tail, arms and even its head that's also act as a headdress.

[inland jewel]

considering it was top 10 in the last poll, but was vetoed because to many dragon types. I don't think people hate it

like, it would have gotten in IF the first 9 slots did not have dragons in them 😭

[molten latch]

Yeah

I understand.

[inland jewel]

just had an idea of a Zweilous/Tropus fusion

where the two heads are trying to eat the fruit from the other's neck

[molten latch]

Yeah

That would be funny

[silk narwhal]

Just wanted to say that all picks so far are terrible except for Lurantis

Alright bye

[jade canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/corphish-happy-gif-19275424

[weak trellis]

I dunno I feel like we have two waters and the rest are good

[molten latch]

True but id say they deserve a chance.

Lurantis is good, but it ain't possible that it will win.

[civic harness]

Why you dont like the picks?

[weak trellis]

I'm mostly fine with the picks so far (right now my vote would go to ribombee) but as I said, water has enough mons as it is and as much as I like crawdaunt as a mon, we already have it in the gameplay it's called sharpedo

[inland jewel]

adaptibility crabhammer would like to differ

[molten latch]

I see

[weak trellis]

I don't think that's enough when other mons can also run neat crabhammers

[inland jewel]

but i too, dislike hwo many water types are in the game so can't complain

[weak trellis]

actually I'm surprised that porygon2/kingler doesn't have a custom yet speaking on that note

actually hang on only crawdaunt heads would be able to get that

since the bodies would be /dark unless you put another water on the head (or type swaps from 5.0 came back but I don't think frog has plans for that)

[bitter comet]

Man, here’s how I rank the current mons all the contest have selected so far.

1. Lurantis
2. Slurpuff
3. Carbink
4. Pelipper
5. Ribombee
6. Crawdaunt

It’s basically just based off of who I like more lol

[molten latch]

Nice

[humble lance]

my ranking:

1. Slurpuff
2. Ribombee
3. Lurantis
4. Pelipper
5. Crawdaunt
6. Carbink

[plucky tendon]

i mostly want slurpuff and lurantis from this list and the others i don’t really mind

[stuck bane]

Personal bias:
Lurantis
Ribombee
Slurpuff
Carbink
Pelipper
Crawdaunt

Most likely to actually win imo:
Lurantis
Slurpuff
Crawdaunt
Ribombee
Carbink
Pelipper

Until tonight when 2 more mons will be added to that list

[bitter comet]

Praying for Golisopod 🙏

[stuck bane]

Well…. Crawdaunt does have corphish anime bias, and that is pretty strong

[molten latch]

Here's mine then.

1. Lurantis
2. Ribbombee
3. Crawdaunt
4. Pelipper
5. Carbink (Car Car Binks)
6. Slurpuff

Yeah, TBH I like slurpuff but its just that I ran out of space on ranking.

[inland jewel]

1. Lurantis
2. Ribombee
3. Crawdaunt
4. Slurpuff
5. Pelipper
6. Carbink

[molten latch]

Guess we Lurantis Gang then.

[inland jewel]

man, carbink is def not gonna win this

[prime dust]

man all yall just out here with the wrong lists:

1. Spheal
2. Spheal
3. Spheal
4. Spheal
5. Spheal
6. Did I mention Spheal? I feel like I forgot to mention him.

[molten latch]

Lol

[stuck bane]

I know, however, there is a chance diancie gang is so strong that carbink gets in on the 1% chance it will bring diancie later

[molten latch]

Yeah

No joke

[inland jewel]

i mean... how many winners are part of diancie gang

since the person who put up carbink can't vote on carbink

[bitter comet]

We will need to do a background check on all the winners

[stuck bane]

And I do think Crawdaunt knocks ribombee out of the top 3, because ribombee’s competitive potential really only applies to doubles, crabhammer Crawdaunt has potential for anything, and if the spriter vote is anything to go off of, hoenn bias is still very real, anime bias also plays a role

[velvet root]

Isnt Diancie gang just Ribbon?

[stuck bane]

She’s carrying most of the sprites, but plenty of people still want diancie in because of her sprites

[bitter comet]

Imagine if it’s a tie between all the mons selected

[stuck bane]

Ana would’ve picked diancie if he could, but Carbink counterpartism maybe bringing diancie later is the next best thing. Also competitive wall

[bitter comet]

Frog will be forced to add all of them to the game if that happens/j

[silent acorn]

I dont think that's a good plan considering incomplete pairs exist and will keep existing until we bring thr other ourselves

[molten latch]

Yeah

I think Lurantis has better potential of winning anytime.

[silent acorn]

If he hasn't added a simple one like Lilli Its hard for me to believe ya

[molten latch]

Yee

[silent acorn]

Like I get the comment of Bellossom and it plays agaisnt Lilli but like aside of a few things they are about the same type addition

So it's not like it's more complicated than adding a fossil

Maybe you got a pottery or you hang around the flowers of the first gym and bam their is one

Or you know it's also an option if Flabebe gets added or you find them in a flower shop

[molten latch]

Oh yeah

Flabebe has potential due to Legends: Z-A

[silent acorn]

Why?

I dont know why that is

[molten latch]

Because The Flabebe line and Furfrou has a chance of winning because of Kalos returning.

[silent acorn]

By the way technically Florges has different colors

[molten latch]

Yes

[silent acorn]

Would the Colors be used by spriters or is that out of question?

[prime dust]

they'd be alts

[molten latch]

It can be

[prime dust]

as they pose no real difference beyond the color

[silent acorn]

For the sprites I mean

Main and alts

Like does the spriters get free choice color for the main sprite or what?

[molten latch]

Yes

Depends

[silent acorn]

I mean there isn't a "Canon" color

[molten latch]

Well only the spriters can decide.

Unless someone is gonna do more than one alts

[silent acorn]

I mean i hope otherwise minior would have the same hope

[molten latch]

Ye

[silent acorn]

Question tho is for main

I mean imagine making 7 variations for the same one just because of color lol

[molten latch]

Well idk

[silent acorn]

Let's just go with free reign

[molten latch]

It could be one color enough.

[silent acorn]

Ones like Sawsbuck don't quite have a "Canon form"

Since the form is based on the time

[molten latch]

Ye

[silent acorn]

I say because I think the sprites should just get free choice and reign over that

[molten latch]

Ye

[silent acorn]

And the main is just decided based on the fact there just exists one for those

[molten latch]

Too many alts would cause lags

Inside of the game I mean.

[silent acorn]

I mean yeah makes sense

I'd argue it shouldn't be discuted on forms anyway

Just let them artistic folks choose preferences

[molten latch]

Yeah

[silent acorn]

And then Spritework or whatever stores the remaining ones

[molten latch]

That sounds better than dealing with pokemon wilt alt forms.

(Not saying that they're bad but what I mean't it's hard to make)

[silent acorn]

It is

Consider and forgive me lord for I said I would never speak of this one again

Castform

4 forms total

That's a good chunk of stuff

And those ones are different because they do alter and change in battle

Meaning there is no picking

[molten latch]

I understand. Not just all, it kinda breaks the rule 2.

Kinda

Because. . . Pfffff. . .

[outer matrix]

But castforms forms are battle only though, so maybe something similar with meloetta with the battle forms being more accessible?

[bitter comet]

I’m dumb how does it break it?

[silent acorn]

I'd argue not to have different castforms

[molten latch]

Look at castform below

[silent acorn]

Just have one and have type change and bam that's it

[bitter comet]

Oh…

[molten latch]

You can make fun of Magmar because it has a rear brow.

[outer matrix]

Unfortunately placed cloud ridges

[molten latch]

But this. . . Yeah. . .

[silent acorn]

Bad geometry

[molten latch]

I can't stop laughing at it.

[silent acorn]

Should have been half circles or little round ears like Michael Moose

[velvet root]

Already last event from event august qwq

[outer matrix]

Castform is just better as a head fusion for already discussed reasons

[silent acorn]

I am not saying no, In fact before I was gonna say the The other forms are great cloud shapes

Before I got nuked

It's part of what the thing is

But I'd argue there is no need to have that whole form changes and just have like this one thing for design purposes

Just make a mismatch of all weather

That'd be more fun and less messy

And then you can just keep base or have an alt as the main one for gameplay

If we are talking about lag, imagine what happens when you add one that's it's 4 in 1 and then just keeps switching in battle between sprites, your pc would lag so bad loading the resources

[molten latch]

Yeah

[silent acorn]

Type change and one static form is the way to go if you want that one

[molten latch]

Castform has bad performance too competitively.

Id say its PU or RU

[silent acorn]

I am Just being the rational voice to the fanatical weather cloud

They are criminally insane

They'll put duct tape in your mouth and throw you in gorebyss infested water

[outer matrix]

Moving on, shiinotic reminds me of Toad from the Mario series

Something about the face reminds me of it

[silent acorn]

What? The soulless nature of it that screams "Yes Mario, go to the next castle, go suffer for me"?

Personally I think it's Mid

Mid terrifying

[molten latch]

You mean Keegan Michael Key

[silent acorn]

Mid interesting

I feel like the fusions for shiinotic are not scary enough

I mean look at this

[molten latch]

Its just a whimsical mushroom.

[silent acorn]

I mean look at this

[silent acorn]

Not with that face

[weak trellis]

shiinotic/mr. mime

REALLY lean into that "have a nice day" smile

[molten latch]

Maybe

[silent acorn]

What would that be?

Shiimime?

[weak trellis]

but yea I can see shiinotic since at least that adds another fairy type

and probably

Mr. Notic

[silent acorn]

And the reverce would be a trance music maker called
Mr. Notic

Oh it is grass fairy

Huh neat

[molten latch]

Shiino make sense

[humble lance]

also ranked carbink low cuz id prefer diancie since ribbon has already made a lot of awesome diancie fusions and because theres a huge lack of fairy type legendaries

[civic harness]

Another anime girl for the game I guess (by the most likely to win list)

[velvet root]

you guys want a pink bug like mon right?

[ember bear]

lurantis!

[deft obsidian]

Nice
It's not bug tho

[velvet root]

Same goes to Lurantis

[stuck bane]

I don’t think anything is topping lurantis, 3rd place spriter vote plus contrary is a very deadly combo that appeals to both sides. Goliso might be able to give lurantis a run for its money, but I struggle to think of anyone else.

The other thing here too is Who’s behind lurantis, slurpuff has massive appeal to spriters for dessert fusions and only a bit of comp potential with unburden. Crawdaunt has crabhammer and adaptability for competitive, and yeah maybe not as many sprites yet, but has hoenn bias and anime nostalgia, which is also very strong and never to be underestimated. I’m debating if Crawdaunt would have better odds than Slurpuff with those reasons, and honestly it might

[civic harness]

If the second place in the spriter vote just get in the special vote, probably win?

[stuck bane]

The contest rockruff won

[civic harness]

I know, I mean if Golisopod gets in probably wins

[ember bear]

im fine with either!

[civic harness]

So why are you here?

[ember bear]

shrug

[stuck bane]

I think so too, goliso clearly has more appeal then lur to spriters, and defensive water type with spikes might be more appealing than just contrary, but who knows.

I personally am rooting for lurantis, but I think goliso barely squeaks out a victory if it gets on the special vote

[ember bear]

to see discussions about new pokemon ig

[civic harness]

Epic

[civic harness]

Good, I like to see chaos too

[hexed agate]

isn't it amazing that none of the winners thus far picked any of those?

[civic harness]

Is because the winners of the events are not spriters

[fathom ridge]

your reguarly scheduled vikavote spam

[hexed agate]

yes and no? there are spriters amongst the winners, and even some of the Showdown picks are design-oriented

[civic harness]

Im not say that every winner is a non-spriter, actually one of the winners that is an spriter choose Lurantis

[quartz shell]

Finished my concept art lol

[hollow creek]

Looks like something youd see in wind walker

wind waker

zelda game with boat

[stuck bane]

…Was lurantis not the pick from soreile and 3rd place in the spriter vote?

[quartz shell]

I was thinkin that too as I drew its eye lol

[velvet root]

Btw any spriters here want to participate in a small event?
You can request a sprite of choice if you win!
#1213539303876206643 message

[hexed agate]

I'm colordeaf, I couldn't see that pick because it was in a different color

[stuck bane]

Understandable, have a nice day

[unique flame]

daily reminder to give gourgeist a 3

[rain locust]

only if u give me a smogon analysis of gourgeist in if dex ou

[dusty arrow]

CRAWDAUNT

CRAWDAUNT

CRAWDAUNT

YEEAAAHHH-

[next trench]

so can i post my stuff here ?

[hollow creek]

gourgiest has grown on me significantly

[unique flame]

multiple stats basis, will ou wisp, screens, lech seed

disable explosion destiny bond

[next trench]

does the showdown allow fusion mons

[unique flame]

foul play

[next trench]

like insurgence has their own showodwn

[unique flame]

pain split

[stuck bane]

The gourgeist IF Dex OU analysis (I think I don’t play showdown):

Multiple sizes can make it difficult for opponents to determine what set you’re running, varied even more by fusion

Trick or treat and worry seed are good support moves that can hinder strong mons as gourgeist hides behind its massive defense stay and moves like leech seed and phantom force and pain split

[clear lichen]

Smogon analysis don't just give a list of words

They actually yknow say what the Pokemon does

And if its worth using

Also, if Gourgeist's size is always immediately told in regular Showdown, I feel like it wouldn't be asking too much to ask the same for Pokeathalon

And that'd remove the surprise factor

[stuck bane]

https://play.pokeathlon.com/

[clear lichen]

Both Trick Or Treat and Worry Seed barely see any use since their niche usages usually aren't worth moveslots over another move

[stuck bane]

Oh if regular showdown does it then yeah IF showdown prob will too

[clear lichen]

I could see Worry Seed being used in AG for Shedinja

That's about it

And even then what are you gonna do when it just

Swaps out to get the ability back

And I'm pretty sure Gourgeist learns Will-O anyways

[unique flame]

not every mon have the array of moves i just said

[stuck bane]

Worry seed shadow tag vote Gothitelle

[clear lichen]

Just use a status move at that point

That actually has great usages outside of "kills Shedinja"

Google autocorrected Gourgeist into Gardevoir

???

Anyways, yup Gourgeist learns Will-O

Which has far wider usage than both Worry Seed and Trick Or Treat

Worry Seed could be funny to momentarily troll Poison Heal users, or maybe to break past an Unaware mon

But with Gourgeist's low speed, you likely won't be trying a sweep with it

Toxic does build up in damage even while Poison Heal is active

So against an unaware player you could just randomly nuke their Poison Heal mon

And it'd be funny

[rain locust]

worry seed has been used in bh to beat ph

[clear lichen]

Yeah so what I just said

And that's its only real use in IF OU I'd imagine

Worry Seed VS Poison Heal is the only interaction with Worry Seed I can think of that'd have an automatic damaging effect

Against Wonder Guard or Magic Guard they can swap out to regain their abilities

[unique flame]

it learns trick room too

[clear lichen]

Or Unaware

Etc

[rain locust]

tr is bad in if dex ou

[clear lichen]

That's already 3 slots then

Ignoring how Trick Room isn't usually good in Singles

Since my other use case mentioned for Worry Seed was breaking past Unaware mons in sweeps

So that'd be Trick Room+SD or something+Worry Seed

[rain locust]

tangrowth outclasses gourgeist in stats as body and gourg only has wisp as an upside as opposed to sleep powder, knock, power whip, etc for tang

[clear lichen]

Have fun with your 1 attack set

Oh, and Trick Room is incredibly limited

It lasts for a very short period and you can't really waste turns

[hollow creek]

And you know the thing about gourgiest, its a pumpkin, and you can makes pokemon into pumpkins with faces, its nuts

[clear lichen]

OK but the context here is Competitive

[stuck bane]

I think you’re too hyper focused on regular showdown analysis over seeing IF showdown as its own thing

Plenty of mons that aren’t good in regular showdown are here, nothing is going to carry over completely, and frankly, shutting down an ability (which fusions get to pick between multiple so abilities usually matter more) seems like it would be perfect for a defensive shadow tag user to slowly chip away at an opponent

[hollow creek]

yeah ik im just fucking with you

[clear lichen]

And Gourgeist just doesn't cut it, in my eyes

[clear lichen]

Shadow Tag is banned in OU and I'm pretty sure also IF OU

[rain locust]

yes

[clear lichen]

Turns out trapping a Pokemon for a free kill is not fair

[stuck bane]

Darn, meta defining options are really limited huh

[clear lichen]

And unlike a Pokemon like Yanmega who has access to an insane ability like Tinted Lens

Gourgeist doesn't really have anything very insane

Shitmons don't become great fusing options out of nowhere

[rain locust]

the only use case i can think of is if you fuse it with a mon who has a more suitable abil than regen

like this

[clear lichen]

Unaware gaming

[rain locust]

maybe twaves over giga to actually do something to enteihaxorus

[clear lichen]

Unaware mons are well known for being usable in tiers higher than their own

So ykw that tracks

[marble meadow]

well despite beeing a fan of certain types I’m a quagmire enjoyer

[clear lichen]

Is Magic Guard fully banned BTW?

I'd assume so

[rain locust]

no

[clear lichen]

Damn

Gonna speedrun making a Magic Guard set real quick fr

[marble meadow]

but what ability are not in if yet

[clear lichen]

Shadow Shield, but that's a bit unfair to point out

[rain locust]

#pif-hoenn-discussion message

[clear lichen]

That's nice to have

[stuck bane]

A lot, but the main argument is stemming from what abilities could be used in competitive. Like, water bubble could be used in game, and it would be awesome, but it’ll be insta banned in showdown

[rain locust]

Water bubble
Corrosion
Tough claws
Dry skin
Zen mode
Defeatist
Mega launcher
Stakeout
Schooling
Stamina
Triage
Emergency exit
Comatose
Berserk
Bulletproof
Symbiosis
Receiver

[marble meadow]

Oh I See

[rain locust]

crossed out abils would be banned

[stuck bane]

Oh wait does somebody besides Beartic learn slush rush I mean

[clear lichen]

A lot of these are signature abilities, like Water Bubble, Corrosion, Zen Mode, Mega Launcher (No Mega Blastoise), I think Stakeout would be a signature for now since Mabosstiff can't be added, Schooling, Stamina, Triage, Emergency Exit, Comatose, Berserk (Same situation as Stakeout), Symbiosis and Receiver

[unique flame]

I think with his moveset He can become a really Nice normal/ghost Wall(gourgeist)

[rain locust]

sandslash alola

which normal

[clear lichen]

I do think Jynx has Dry Skin though

[rain locust]

fusing for ghost means youre working with 75 spd as the head

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-hyper-beam-vespiqueen-power-gif-12817073

[clear lichen]

The only tough Claws mons are Dusk Lycanroc and Barbaracle line and I think Dusk Lycanroc isn't in the game so idk if it would be implemented

[stuck bane]

Ok so since sandslasg alola can’t be in (no regionals) it’s basically a signature for Beartic unless you’re playing AG

[clear lichen]

Yeah there's almost no way Water Bubble wouldn't be banned

Water Bubble is only balanced because mf Araquanid has it

[rain locust]

slush rush uh exists ig

[clear lichen]

I remember Comatose being unbalanced in formats like AAA

[rain locust]

doesnt seem v good

[clear lichen]

But I forgor why lmfao

[stuck bane]

Dusk Lycanroc was only not included because it would be too close to midday Lycanroc fusions in guess the fusion. Idk if i agree with the reasoning, but that’s what we were told

[rain locust]

comatose is broken bc you use sleep talk + whirlwind

for 0 prio phazing

[clear lichen]

Ph

Oh

Wow that's disgusting ngl

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/clawitzer-pokemon-water-gif-20652335

[clear lichen]

But yeah for future reference, Dry Skin is in the game

Jynx has it

[stuck bane]

Idk if slush rush is a great ability, just surprised it wasn’t listed with the unique ones despite stuff like stakeout and berserk

[marble meadow]

i rarely use water mons but clauncher line is my fav

https://tenor.com/view/big-meaty-claws-mr-krabs-spongebob-squarepants-blue-fish-claws-gif-7387164

[sick robin]

Honestly I'd say a line that's my most wanted to be added in is the golisopod

Mainly cuz of bias lmao

[stuck bane]

It has a pretty good shot, either main vote or special vote

[clear lichen]

UNADDED ABILITIES THAT ARE PRESENT IN GEN 7

Signatures

Water Bubble (Dewpider line only)
Corrosion (Salandit line only)
Zen Mode (Darmanitan only
Defeatist (Archen line only)
Mega Launcher (Clauncher line only, Mega Blastoise notwithstanding)
Stakeout (Yungoos line only before Gen 9)
Schooling (Wishiwashi only)
Stamina (Mudbray line only)
Triage (Comfey only)
Emergency Exit (Golisopod only)
Wimp Out (Wimpod only)
Comatose (Komala only)
Berserk (Drampa only before Gen 8)
Receiver (Passimian only)
Shields Down (Minior only)
Long Reach (Rowlet line only)
Liquid Voice (Popplio line only)
Battle Bond (Event Greninja only, pls don't add I beg)
Queenly Majesty (Tsareena only)
Battery (Charjabug only)
Grass Pelt (Skiddo line only)
Fur Coat (Furfou only, excluding Alolan Persian)
Aroma Veil (Spritzee line only before Gen 8)
Flower Gift (Cherrim only)

Non Signatures

Bulletproof (Chespin line, Jangmo-O line)
Symbiosis (Flabébé line, Oranguru)
Flower Veil (Flabébé line, Comfey)
Cheek Pouch (Bunnelby line, Dedenne)
Sweet Veil (Swirlix line, Cutiefly line, Bounsweet line)
Tough Claws (Binacle line, Dusk Form Lycanroc)

Legendary/UB only

Fairy Aura (Xerneas only)
Dark Aura (Yveltal only)
Aura Break (Zygarde only)
Power Construct (Zygarde only)
Full Metal Body (Solgaleo only)
Shadow Shield (Lunala only)
Beast Boost (UBs only)
RKS System (Silvally only)
Electric Surge (Tapu Koko only before Gen 8)
Misty Surge (Tapu Fini only)
Psychic Surge (Tapu Lele only before Gen 8)
Grassy Surge ( Tapu Bulu only before Tapu Rilla)
Soul Heart (Magearna only)
Victory Star (Victini only)

Don't get your hopes up

Power of Alchemy (Alolan Muk only)
Galvanise (Alolem line only)
Surge Surfer (A-Raichu only)
Tangling Hair (A-Dugtrio line only)
Parental Bond (MKanga only)
Aerilate (Mega exclusive, specifically Salamence and Pinsir)
Delta Stream (Mega Ray only)
Primordial Sea (Pogre only)
Desolate Land (Pdon only)

This excludes abilities from after Gen 7

Wait remember some already

[sick robin]

Were kalos/unova starters ever confirmed to be in? I might be misremembering but I think there was talk abt them being added in if there was high demand

[stuck bane]

If you look in pins, there was extremely high demand, but not for now since they would take time to implement

[sick robin]

I see ty dude

[stuck bane]

Np

[clear lichen]

Too lazy to finish it

[stuck bane]

Yeah that’s why I didn’t even bother and just said “a lot”, because it is, a lot

[clear lichen]

Fully edited

Hopefully I'm not missing anything, let me know if I did

[clear lichen]

Use this as a guide to unadded abilities if you wish

[alpine rune]

Fuck I forgot that if the main pokemon die you lose

aaaa

[inland jewel]

another mon that has it is Parasect

[clear lichen]

Yeah but it's utterly worthless on Parasect unless you're up against Kyogre

[deft trout]

Fire Grass Dry Skin is pretty good

[molten loom]

So its fairly obvious whats getting picked next

[deft trout]

Chance for Trop is hype

[molten loom]

Watch them pick the monkeys to troll everyone

[terse fable]

HYPEEE

[deft trout]

I would pop off

[terse fable]

Tropius on the winner poll

deserves it

[molten loom]

i am suprised as to how well my swablus did tbh

[terse fable]

I just spectated this tourney, big boss would've melted my brain to make a team for loll

[inland jewel]

Zweilous/Tropius biting each other's necks trying to eat the chin fruit of the other

[terse fable]

I likeee

[inland jewel]

so what team did he end up running?

[molten loom]

https://tenor.com/view/electabuzz-pauls-electabuzz-evolve-pokemon-gif-18228570

[terse fable]

Still think I'd want Slurpuff most from the 2nd poll but there's other really good picks in itt

Yea it was electrabuzz themed

with the evo as big boss

[molten loom]

Very close for the final battle

[rain locust]

another loss for comp players

[terse fable]

All 5 of you will be alright

LOL

Nah I like If showdown too so I can't say muchh

[molten loom]

Big boss was my favorite so far

[terse fable]

Wish more people were in on it

[molten loom]

These tournaments might get some more people into it

Not toad though

[terse fable]

I hope, they're really fun! And they should try n keep more going as time goes on, keep the community active more or less for showdown n draw in new players for it! I just know it's kind of seen as secondary in the grand scheme if IF

[rancid nymph]

TBF, Toads don’t fight

[molten loom]

I was fairly unlucky with ancient power in my 3rd battle used it like 4 times and didn't get

And I had serene grace

[rancid nymph]

If they did, Mario wouldn’t be a series

[rain locust]

what happens when u try to rely on 20%

[molten loom]

Tbh I wasn't

I used the 60 para chance from body slam

because of serene grace

[terse fable]

Yea serene grace Para's,poisons and flinches are ridiculous lol

or running tri attack for the gamba

[molten loom]

Guess which mon I used for serene grace

[rancid nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/togekiss-bow-anipoke-dp172-gif-25514169

[terse fable]

yee that's be my guess

[molten loom]

https://tenor.com/view/dunsparce-gif-14039997421793189622

[terse fable]

YESSS

Dunsparce love loll

[rancid nymph]

That was my second guess

[molten loom]

https://pokepast.es/6853a8dc629b24cb This was my team

had forgotten to name the last grunt

[rancid nymph]

You have more Swablus and Alterias than Lance has Dragonites

[crimson robin]

That's big boss for you

Ok guys, should I change my name to (Vote Crustle!) now, or keep it as it is for the main vote?

[ornate tide]

Vote for carbink or else

[proud lion]

When you fail on the first match of the tournament then fail on a random battle right after with the bad RNG

[rain locust]

Vote for carbink or else

[rancid nymph]

Or else what?

[inland jewel]

The big thing is, if Golisopod gets added then all the fusions tha can learn FImp from the Expert Tutor don't learn them anymore

[rain locust]

ill be sad

[rain locust]

Good Message

[ornate tide]

True

[rain locust]

unique abil emergency exit

blud thinks hes on the team 😹

[finite reef]

Its a funny ability

[clear lichen]

Emergency Exit actively makes Golisopod worse

He is NOT on the team

[pseudo kernel]

Emergency exit is funny

[ornate tide]

True

[clear lichen]

Even on like a faster Pokemon

Imagine having a Swords Dance set up

And in a position to sweep

But you lost too much HP from setting up

[rain locust]

Oh Yeah Well Check This Out

[finite reef]

Quick, we need Yveltal in the game

[clear lichen]

And you swap out from Life Orb damage or something

[ornate tide]

We already have yvetal at home

[finite reef]

Exactly, we need it gone

[clear lichen]

Actually does LO damage work on Emergency Exit?

I should test that

But I'm too lazy so I'll do that later if ever

[rain locust]

you switch whenever ur hp falls to 50% or below

so lo would trigger it

[rain locust]

as seen here where residual dmg also triggered on it

[pseudo kernel]

also, if we can fuse Golisopod with anything, we can get belly drum on it

[clear lichen]

Chip from a bulky mon would have the same idea

[pseudo kernel]

Belly drum + emergency exit strat

[ornate tide]

Imagine being able to use belly drum

[silent acorn]

Actually with a really fast but frail mon it could work

[pseudo kernel]

lose 50% hp just to switch out

[clear lichen]

Maybe, but it'd still be more detrimental imo

Imagine this, you've set up Swords Dance on a predicted switch to a stallmon

[silent acorn]

Self damaging move you plan on not staying

And bam

[clear lichen]

And you now 2HKO

But then it chips you below 50%

[silent acorn]

But yeah you can just change the ability

[clear lichen]

And your sweep is gone

[bold trail]

Hey, by any chance is there a tier list for the Pokemon that were added to the vote from a few weeks ago? I saw the one in the pinned chat and it was the old mons

[pseudo kernel]

or, just don't pack sd on an emergency exit mon?

[clear lichen]

Better yet, don't use Emergebcy Exit because it sucks

It restricts your options for 0 good reason

People say "oh it'd be good on a fast frail mon" yeah have fun living a singular hit in the first place

[pseudo kernel]

nah. use pod fused with something as a spikes/rocks lead

set up rocks, take a hit, free switch

[clear lichen]

And also, Golisopod just has very low speed and very high bulk

[ornate tide]

Just a quick reminder

[clear lichen]

I struggle thinking of how it'd outspeed much even after a fusion

Or how all that bulk would vanish into thin air

[pseudo kernel]

also, who needs speed when first impression

[rain locust]

you could also set two hazards die and then switch something in

that is a free switch

that doesnt cost an abil

[pseudo kernel]

Is first impression in the game rn?

[ornate tide]

When we have first impression expert moves

[clear lichen]

Golisopod when it's faced with a Flying type: (Suddenly spamming First Impression doesn't seem like a good idea anymore)

[ornate tide]

Just fuse it with a rock type

Gg easy

[pseudo kernel]

easy dubs

[clear lichen]

Have fun outspeeding the Flying type

When you're a fusion of a Rock type and Golisopod

[rain locust]

no flaws at all

[clear lichen]

Bro's boutta be sent right back to the Pokeball as soon as it steps out

Oh wait you replaced Emergency exit

[ornate tide]

That’s a cute speed stat

[pseudo kernel]

y'all are missing the emergency exit

[clear lichen]

Sorry the emergency exit propaganda is getting to me

[pseudo kernel]

I want to run a full team of e-exit as a challenge run

[clear lichen]

It's just genuinely so bad people who think it helps are coping so hard

Thank god for fusions

[pseudo kernel]

It really is bad, I'm just messing with you

[clear lichen]

Oh

I feel dumb now

Honestly Emergency Exit is only good on like

[pseudo kernel]

also, is it?

[clear lichen]

A fast, bulky, strong mon

[ornate tide]

Nothing

[clear lichen]

But then it'd get instantly banned anyways LMFAO

If you're fast you can land like idk a banded hit

If you're bulky you can just not instantly die

And ofc high damage is needed

[ornate tide]

Wait what if emergency exit gets changed in if

[clear lichen]

It still isn't even that good and you'd still rather have another ability

[ornate tide]

Because the if creator changed disguise and that shit broken

[clear lichen]

And you'd be banned either ways unless your ability was like Slow Start or Truant

[tight vault]

is there any plans from the dev team to include later gen mons?

[stuck bane]

See pins, nothing past Gen 7

[inland jewel]

it is on specific fusions

[inland jewel]

also Dev, Frogman is the only guy who is coding for the game

[high haven]

I remember thinking Snubble and Granbull were gen 7 for a while.

[inland jewel]

to be fair, Johto is just forgetable

[tight vault]

next question, are all pokemon up to gen 7 included? like what is the reason for not including later gens? time? space? preference?

[pseudo kernel]

thx.

[inland jewel]

?tag pokedex

rip bot

[inland jewel]

Since bot didn't answer Gens 1-2 is fully in

[clear lichen]

Not currently all of them but I have faith we'll get there eventually (AKA multiple years)

[inland jewel]

3-7 have select pokemon in

The reason why they are not fully in is because Fogman has no time to add them

[opal trail]

All Gen1-2 Pokémon are in the game, and the Pokémon that are included from Gen3+ (aswell as their location and Pokédex number) can be found here:

https://infinitefusion.fandom.com/wiki/Pokédex

[inland jewel]

wow thanks Dyno

[tight vault]

alright that explains it, prolly wana fill in early gens before moving on to newer stuff

[velvet root]

We have a meme in pins for that

[inland jewel]

yeah he finally has time to add stuff, hence the poll happening right now

[inland jewel]

Gen 8 and 9 not likely due to the code base that Frogman used to make this game doesn't have the data for Gen 8/9

[tight vault]

ahh i see, so its a space/coding issue with the game

[velvet root]

Yes

Not space but code

Btw I had Goat cheese today again

The white one

[inland jewel]

We have space, we just do not have the code for said pokemon

[velvet root]

Vote Gogoat pls

[inland jewel]

like if you hacked in Cinderace, it'll show up as Error404

since it doesn't have the sprite, moveset, ability, etc

but if you hack in Incineroar, it would show up like normal

best example is dexit for SwSh

[clear lichen]

Mmm

[velvet root]

Its possible but like 5 times the work to add one mon
And if he adds one many want the others

[clear lichen]

Gogoat mutton

I doubt Gogoat is 100% plant

[tight vault]

thats nice to know, so it is possible eventually just would be very hard to impliment even one mon. let alone a whole evoulution line.

[civic harness]

Tropius

Maybe

Tropius

[velvet root]

Exactly

[high haven]

Hey guys, what pokemon do you think would fuse well with Seviper?

[velvet root]

I made a snivy one

And I saw art from a Scolipede one

[clear lichen]

I'd bet multiple people will make Zangoose/Seviper and vice versa

[high haven]

I saw, pretty good

I ask because I'm drawing blanks for what to draw for the concept art contest

[velvet root]

I know a fake png but who cares

[velvet root]

Whirlipede?

[ornate tide]

If you vote in Carbink we may get diance sooner .-.

[gray stream]

based presentation

[high haven]

Estuans interius, ira vehementi
Estuans interius, ira vehementi

[rancid nymph]

All the more reason not to vote for Carbink

[high haven]

I found this funny

[daring summit]

Ok...
Why are Zangoose and Seviper lumped together, but Heatmore and Durant are separated?
That's kinda unfair

[inland geyser]

maybe gen 3 completion reasons

[high haven]

I mean, Karrablast and Shellmet are separate as well. But I would say that Heatmor and Durant are less of an inseparable duo as opposed to Zangoose/Seviper, Plusle/Minun and Lunatone/Solrock.

[daring summit]

Plusle/Minun and Lunatine/Solrock, I get

And so do Escavalier/Accelgor

But Durant/Heatmor has the same dynamic as Zangoose/Seviper as rivals

[inland geyser]

maybe they both have a mechanic that needs to be programmed

so only one mechanic is getting programmed per entry

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/seviper-carnivine-pokemon-shmoovin-groovy-gif-22546614

[high haven]

I disagree with the rivalry aspect. Zangoose/Seviper are rivals while Heatmor & Durant have a Predator/Prey type of relationship.

[tight vault]

it'd be like including pidgey and caterpie in a duo

[velvet root]

They are still a duo like all the gen 3 mons who sit together in the vote

[high haven]

I won't deny that much.

Since they're pokedex entries are reliant on each other's inclusion.

And either way one was made with the other in mind

[civic harness]

498.091 members guys

[ornate tide]

If you hate good sprites than sure

[stuck bane]

Ok this is the most delusional hoenn bias I’ve seen

Sev has 2 dex entries that don’t mention Zangoose

Zangoose has 0 dex entries that don’t mention seviper

Durant has 2 dex entries that don’t mention heatmor

Heatmor has 1 dex entry that doesn’t mention Durant

You are the most delusional hoenn fanboy I’ve ever met saying seviper and Zangoose are an inseparable duo because of dex entries but having 1 less dex entry not referencing eachother is the deciding factor for Durant and heatmor. And you actually need to be locked up in a mental asylum for saying plusle/minun and solrock/lunatone are more deserving counterparts than heatmor and Durant

[ornate tide]

What is making better sprites than blue diance

[rancid nymph]

I hate garbage mythicals

[hidden relic]

Thing about Diancie though

[ornate tide]

Diance stats are good for fusions

[hidden relic]

Is thanks to the efforts a good chunk of people

[ornate tide]

Pluh

[hidden relic]

Or furthertold, mostly Ribbon

There's a lot of Diancie sprites ready already

[rancid nymph]

Don’t care. It still has no reason to exist

[hidden relic]

So it's in a very realistic spot of having a chance out of the Mythicals n' Legends n' whatnot

Albeit that's still not this time around

[ornate tide]

What are you voting for then?

[rancid nymph]

Haven’t decided yet

[hidden relic]

You haven't even voted yet?

We're getting really close to the end of the vote

[opal trail]

Members

498100

Aug 25, 2024, 1:11 AM

[hidden relic]

1.9k left

[ornate tide]

Not all the mons are even announced yet??

[rancid nymph]

Oh, I did the ranking vote

[hidden relic]

Public vote

And besides...we are almost done with that too

There's 2 picks already yet to be announced by Frog

||But I'll just say 'em, it's Golisopod & Tropius||

[violet vault]

i have a quick question, in the downloads section it shows last months sprites, does that include all the previous month sprites too?

[ornate tide]

Oh I already knew that

[stuck bane]

Makes sense

[ornate tide]

One shitmon and one cool one

I will not specify which is which

[stuck bane]

||well, there go the chances of lurantis||

[hidden relic]

||Not entirely~||

||There's still something that I won't specify on yet||

Only certain people know at the moment, and well

Y'all are not them

[high haven]

Dude calm down, it's not the end of the world. I even said later on that they are still a duo, so maybe cool your jets about before calling someone clinically insane

[hidden relic]

So I will no elaborate on the blantant secrets

[stuck bane]

I have enough of an idea, 500k members

[hidden relic]

wtf is me@beta

oh lmao

[stuck bane]

I hate phone

[ornate tide]

||Tropius 100% is confirmed ||

||The guy that won the big boss tour literally had a tropius username||

💀

[violet vault]

@hidden relic can i ask u a question?

[hidden relic]

Yeah go ahead.

[rancid nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/chill-chill-out-chill-pill-calm-down-chillax-gif-21367936

[hidden relic]

In terms of being on the second vote...yeah

[violet vault]

does the sprite download from last month include all the previous month sprites too?

[hidden relic]

Oh IDK that

[violet vault]

oh ok no problem

[sick robin]

Are the mons listed in #announcements like corphish/crawdaunt gonna be voted on?

[hidden relic]

Amongst the respective winners of the events yeah

They all elect a mon

And welll

Only one of those gets in from the second vote

[sick robin]

Oh let's go

Excited to see the fusions for those two

I feel like ||tropius|| has the potential to have rly creative fusions

[hidden relic]

We'll see what happens soon

Like ik a lot of the stuff is not filled rn

But like

Big Boss and Dex entry are done, need to be put in

Elusive & Emote are being voted on

Speed Spriter is in 3 days

[high haven]

I honestly don't see it

[hidden relic]

Monotype quicker than that

It may not seem like it, but the votes really is almost over

[rancid nymph]

Shame it has garbage stats. ||BTW, is your profile pic Chiaki||

[sick robin]

Yep it is

[sick robin]

Do we have an idea on how many mons will be added?

[high haven]

2

[hidden relic]

2

[high haven]

2

[sick robin]

Ah, interesting

[ornate tide]

Carbink better get in

PLUH

[hidden relic]

Hell I don't have control over than

[ornate tide]

If I tried through the tours I would of voted clamperl

Because clamperl would be funny with deep sea tooth

But then I realize that Mon is never winning a popularity vote

[rancid nymph]

NGL, I regularly forget that line exists

[hidden relic]

I can break down the info, right here

Highlighted are being voted on

Red checks need to be filled in

And well the rest you can see right there

[unique flame]

what were the choices

[hidden relic]

There's one thing a lil' disheartening about all this

[sick robin]

Pelipper I imagine having goofy fusions if it got in

[hidden relic]

There was supposed to be somethin' else goin' on during the duration of the vote

Since well when we started this, we had assumed we would hit 500k pretty quickly after

But didn't expect to lose a lot after the ping

[rancid nymph]

Probably many fusions involving a toilet

[hidden relic]

Of course we're still gonna show what we got when that time comes

But it may last less time than I would like

[rain locust]

holy cow the dex lore fandom is heating up

oh shit 8/26 is when i fly

wait i land at 4:30cst im good

[rancid nymph]

If you think that’s bad, you should hear me rant about the demon lizard

[rain locust]

What. Which.

[rancid nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-charizard-chest-pounding-fire-type-flying-type-gif-16421213

[rain locust]

charizzard

[ornate tide]

Add charizard gigantamax to if fr

[rancid nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/no-absolutely-not-gif-13012986

[ornate tide]

[formal venture]

Have you thought about our lord and saviour Zigzagoon?

[high haven]

Like seriously the sheer vitriol in this over a fan game of a franchise targeted to children. And for the most harmless opinion that even I retracted, towards someone you know nothing about.

[cyan helm]

Is Kingambit a viable option to add?

[high haven]

Sadly no

[cyan helm]

Darn

[rain locust]

surely guy was joking

[high haven]

Still wasn't nice

[rain locust]

or being hyperbolic

[high haven]

Just to clarify you mean the comment courageStar made, right

[rain locust]

yes

[high haven]

Okay

But even if he was joking, saying that I am delusional and that i need to be locked up in a mental asylum is taking it too far for me

[cyan helm]

For a pokemon request channel that is pretty extreme.

[inland jewel]

So why are Durant and Heatmir not together?

[high haven]

I honestly don't know

[molten latch]

For some no reason I called Heatmor to be Skinners from The Simpsons.

Or Seymour.

And Durant being based on Duran Duran.

Or should I say

Durant Durant

[high haven]

You legit have to specify if it's the pokemon Durant or not otherwise you get images of Kevin Durant

[glass patio]

i think him saying you need to be locked up in a mental asylum makes it obvious that it’s a joke

…right?

[high haven]

Joke or not, still took it too far

[molten latch]

Anyways back on topic.

I can understand that Heatmor and Durant are underrated mons.

[glass patio]

true…

[molten latch]

But being not on the list together is like Tatsugiri without Dondozo.

Ashame

[high haven]

Or sawk without throh

[glass patio]

so guys rayquaza eats minior which means they are the most epic pokemon duo so there can’t be rayquaza without minior therefore they need to add minior

[cyan helm]

The only pokemon I'm guessing that haven't been added are ones from SV or LA.

[molten latch]

Also SwSh

[cyan helm]

Right. Though granted, would there be any benefit adding Eternatus?

[molten latch]

Not for now

[stuck bane]

Holy shit are you still going? And you’re just refusing to see that what you said was absurd. This is what I mean by hoenn bias you say the most absurd things ignoring any other Gen that meets similar requirements but the minute there’s any pushback it’s suddenly too far, if you say crazy shit you’re gonna get crazy clapback what do you mean?

[dim fjord]

Holy shit are you still going? And you’re just refusing to see that what you said was absurd. This is what I mean by hoenn bias you say the most absurd things ignoring any other Gen that meets similar requirements but the minute there’s any pushback it’s suddenly too far, if you say crazy shit you’re gonna get crazy clapback what do you mean?

[brisk vessel]

No winner has chosen Golisopod yet

[dim fjord]

(I haven’t been here)

[molten latch]

Because only Gen 7 is available on the RPG Maker engine and Pokemon Essentials.

[rain locust]

Holy shit are you still going? And you’re just refusing to see that what you said was absurd. This is what I mean by hoenn bias you say the most absurd things ignoring any other Gen that meets similar requirements but the minute there’s any pushback it’s suddenly too far, if you say crazy shit you’re gonna get crazy clapback what do you mean?

[molten latch]

Its hard to implenent and takes time or years till we have Gen 8 or 9

[rain locust]

gordogamr revealed someone did idk who though

[stuck bane]

I think dex entry chose goliso, which actually puts it in a way better spot than lurantis being chosen by a spriter and losing a potential spriter vote

[high haven]

Do you even hear yourself? You're the one ignoring what I've said, I know they're a duo, I know it's dumb that they've been separated in the vote, but you won't get off of that high horse of yours and acknowledge that you're being an asshat.

[brisk vessel]

It's not in #announcements though

[stuck bane]

More inseparable than solrock/lunatone is actually crazy if they were in introduced in Gen 3 they would have the same number of dex entries referencing eachother as seviper Zangoose

[rain locust]

#pif-hoenn-discussion message

it just hasnt been posted by frog

thank god honestly it wouldve been a little stressful having to tryhard monotype to get it in

[stuck bane]

So yeah imo goliso prob wins special vote, appeals to both and was picked by the dex entry winner, maximizing potential votes from both sides

And there’s also something at 500k, what exactly it is we don’t know

[molten latch]

Guzma is eating good tonight

[analog stag]

Isn’t when we hit 500k when the first vote ends?

[hidden relic]

Yep.

And well

[stuck bane]

Apparently not because there’s something else planned

Oh nm

[hidden relic]

We'll be there really soon

[rain locust]

whatre we at rn

[stuck bane]

Like less than 2k away

[rain locust]

dang

[stuck bane]

I think we average 33 new members an hour and 700 ish per day

Last I checked

[dusty arrow]

hi

[stuck bane]

Should be next day or two

[hidden relic]

Well yeah there is

But that's still secret

Hell, I could be wrong here truth be told

Depends on how Frog wants to do it tbh

But currently atleast the vote does end at 500k

And then...|| I get to show off something really cool !!||

[molten latch]

4 days left. . .

[stuck bane]

Wait vote ends at 500k or the 29th? I thought it was 29th

[hidden relic]

500k

[stuck bane]

Oh

[hidden relic]

We only have stuff lined up until the 29th

[stuck bane]

Good thing I voted

[hidden relic]

Because uhhh

[stuck bane]

Events?

[molten latch]

For me its 30

[hidden relic]

That's when we'd thought we'd hit

Once again

Didn't expect to lose 1k people

[stuck cave]

I wonder who @crimson robin is gonna vote for

[stuck bane]

I thought I heard frog say something about special event being judged first, and then if winner of special was winner of main vote the 2nd place of main vote would win

[molten latch]

Tropius of course

[stuck bane]

Maybe that’s changed idk

[stuck cave]

You think? Idk man

It might be Torkoal

[hidden relic]

Yeah still don't know about what will happen there

But we'll get there when we get there

[stuck bane]

Torkoal has same number of letters as tropius… you must be right

[hidden relic]

Anyways message should be updating

soon

like

any second

[stuck bane]

And then we all try to act surprised or?

[stuck cave]

If you squint really hard and tip your head sideways, Torkoal looks like Tropius

[stuck bane]

Long necks too (relatively)

[dusty arrow]

it looks even more like ice type magikarp ngl

[molten latch]

Im pretty sure that frog may bamboozled us

But he's not gonna lie.

[brisk vessel]

👍

[stuck bane]

Dude it’s been half an hour how long is he gonna be charging that spirit bomb?

Maybe I should respond in the morning, gn y’all

[high haven]

You're missing the fucking point! Your being a complete and utter twat and calling people clinically insane over 1 difference in pokedex's. And I said less which implies that they're still inseparable. The reason I said the hoenn duos were because they were the first ones that came to mind. Would you be throwing such hurtful things had I put Sawk and Throh into the mix? Bet you wouldn't you jackass!

So maybe think twice before you decide to call someone such things

[glass patio]

minior right?

[molten loom]

A pikaclone

[molten latch]

Goodnight friend

[high haven]

I reported him

For verbally harrassing me over something without significance

[glass patio]

i dont know what to say but i just wanted to say something and that is that i agree

it’s just a funny game smh

[hidden relic]

That is now 100% on the list of "Things I can and will use as VA practice"

Such strong emotion

[rain locust]

looooool

[glass patio]

what 💀

lmao

[molten latch]

I mean its only a game

[glass patio]

i contradicted myself by saying i dont know what to say and then i proceeded to say something

[molten latch]

https://tenor.com/view/only-game-heff-be-mad-gif-5038541

[glass patio]

that message doesn’t even make sense

[molten latch]

Ye

The audacity.

[glass patio]

no one asked but i love emoji so much

ok bye

[molten latch]

See ya

[high haven]

Sorry about that guys. I shouldn't have engaged with him

[calm zephyr]

What happened lol

[high haven]

Classic internet argument

[calm zephyr]

About?

[high haven]

Someone brought up Heatmor and Durant being seperate from the vote.
I try to reason that Heatmor and Durant in my opinion were less of an inseparable duo when compared to Plusle/Minun or Lunatone/Solrock.

Than Couragestar called me clinically insane and said I belong in a mental asylum
I told him to chill out and told him that he's getting upset over a kids franchise

Than he said that I'm ignoring the facts and said that I deserve to get "callback" for my opinion
I tell him to get off his high horse and called him an asshat

He made a point that makes no sense and then I lost it and cursed him out for ignoring the fact that the I agreed with someone else before he joined in that Heatmor & Durant are still a duo

[high haven]

Tldr: an opinion about Heatmor & Durant that devolved quickly into a shouting match

[stuck cave]

I would find it odd if Heatmor or Durant would be in seperately instead of together tbh

[molten latch]

Yeah

[stuck cave]

Solrock and Lunatone technically have no form of interaction, so they could be seperate, but I would still raise an eyebrow if we had one without the other

[twin phoenix]

Huh.. I would pair Heatmor and Durant as I consider them as counterparts.

Heatmor has a neat design, especially the shiny.

[stuck cave]

Durant's 7/9 Pokedex entries mention Heatmor

[outer matrix]

Does the inverse happen with heatmor's entries?

[stuck cave]

8/9

The one outlier is Pokemon Sword for Heatmor

For Durant, it's Pokemon White and Pokemon Shield (Which mentions Sandaconda instead)

[hollow creek]

4 days until kommo o is in if

[terse fable]

wrong dragon

https://tenor.com/view/drampa-pokemon-thinking-confused-gif-22448973

[civic harness]

I still seeing hope, good

[hollow creek]

Imo, great for body designs and definitely great for playthroughs. The gray, yellow and orange brown for head fusions is just, eh. Not a bad pick by any means just far from the top too.

[civic harness]

Well, armor potential for head fusions

Or another fancy dress for anime girls

[hollow creek]

I was thinking that for bodies morseo heads

I have a tyrantrum/kommo-o in mind where the scales are tyrantrum's orange plate things

[next sapphire]

also would make for some outstanding mythology based fusions

[civic harness]

It has its own theme

[high haven]

Finally did something for Zangoose

[clear lichen]

I probably shouldn't say this, but I fucking love how just absolutely furious this message is

Like I have 0 context for this so I won't try to understand what's happening and take sides

But what I will do is admire the fury

[rancid nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/mario-luigi-mario-and-luigi-superstar-saga-rpg-i-have-fury-gif-19602869

I’ll give you 3 guesses as to what I’ve been playing recently and the first 2 don’t count

[oblique lotus]

I'm playing this too funny enough

[alpine rune]

Left for dead 2
War Thunder
Mario party 8

[molten latch]

So. . . . . .

https://tenor.com/view/spheal-sniff-nose-hungry-pokemon-gif-14614876398478750391

[rancid nymph]

Wrong. The answer was animal crossing new horizons

[alpine rune]

close enough

things are getting heated
-# also im pretty sure the big boss tourney is Tropius

[velvet root]

Golisopod got in the vote

[marsh silo]

Golisopod, that makes me very happy

[stuck bane]

W0wZer5!!!! Golisopod AND Tropius!?!?1! Who would a thunk!!! I am so surprised!!!

[marsh silo]

I have to do Bisharp/Golisopod

[unique flame]

what about big boss didnt he chose tropius

[marsh silo]

I need to do that more than I need to breathe

[rancid nymph]

Your boy Guzma is probably pretty happy right now

[stuck bane]

But yeah Golisopod is taking this vote it was like put in the most optimal position ever lurantis can’t beat that

[near galleon]

Wait, Tourney 5 Big Boss is Tropius?

[prime dust]

we don't know if that is what they picked or not

[velvet root]

Time to suffer in ark
Can someone ping me when we know the next mon?

[stuck bane]

The guy’s name was “do it for tropius”… so he obviously picked Torkoal since it has the same number of letters and starts with a T

[prime dust]

i mean frog will ping everyone via the announcement when it gets updated

[stuck bane]

I think the emote contest voting ends today so that should be revealed today too

[velvet root]

I somehow dont get pinged every time

[prime dust]

weird

[stuck bane]

I think he’ll do a ping when the list is finalized, but no he’s not pinging anybody each time it’s updated (he’s learned from that mistake)

[inland jewel]

I have never once got pinged for when they update the list

I only know because I constantly check and see announcements light up

[stuck bane]

Same

[rugged temple]

Imagine if they just put all the winners vote pokemon in anyways

[stuck bane]

Do raffle and spriter too then there’s no unova love in this special vote

Not that a unova Mon on the special vote would change anything tho

[stuck bane]

…. Is that basculin color or am I crazy?

[inland geyser]

Basclegrampa

[rancid nymph]

It’s obviously Basculgion colour

[inland geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/basculin-basculegion-hisui-legends-arceus-pokemon-gif-16348501758758153029

[stuck bane]

Mmmmm yeah it’s a tad bit darker green, still basculegion ain’t an option so if you want this sprite…

[inland geyser]

its just for the Scale Texture contest c:<

[stuck bane]

I see

[marsh silo]

drampa basculin?

[rancid nymph]

What if I don’t want this sprite

[stuck bane]

Then don’t vote Drampa

[molten latch]

Oof

[stuck bane]

Something something too many dragons

[spice sage]

I only ping @ Special Event Pings for the list updates

[molten latch]

Ice Type is underrated

[stuck bane]

Yes

20/36 Ice Types (55.5%)

Every type has more numerical slots, the next highest being nearly 50% higher with electric at 28

And you know which region has the most ice type slots we’re missing?

[ember bear]

wouldn't mind good ice types