pif-hoenn-discussion

[clear lichen]

It's not as big of a problem for a Pokemon like Dragonite whose purpose is to be goofy and cute (I still don't like it too much compared to other pseudos)

[stuck bane]

Unpopular opinion:

Fans overhype Gen 3 as much as gamefreak overhypes charizard

[clear lichen]

But for a Pokemon that'd supposed to be badass it is a bit problematic

[clear lichen]

Fans overhype every generation honestly

[molten latch]

Yeah, still Gen 3 is good.

[clear lichen]

And every generation is also overhated

[ember bear]

gen 5 fans proceeding to call it "underrated"

[clear lichen]

Because people love hating every generation they don't like

[ember bear]

like maybe before but now?

[stuck bane]

Gen 3 is solid, but it’s not the second coming of Christ, it has plenty of flaws (luvdisc)

[clear lichen]

Damn, that disrespect

[molten latch]

Yeah

[clear lichen]

I get that Luvdisc is a fast shitmon

[molten latch]

Especially Team IGN (Magma)

[clear lichen]

That didn't evolve into a bulky Regenerator pivot

But still

Also yeah, Dragon isn't currently broken, though it used to be

[ember bear]

probably also referring to the design

which is

yeah

[clear lichen]

And honestly it wasn't broken in Gens 1 or 2

I LOVE ONLY HAVING FUCKING DRAGON RAGE AS "STAB"

Actually did Outrage exist in Gen 2?

[stuck bane]

Nah Gen 5 is still seen as the black sheep of the Pokémon, so many people were happy when PLZA was revealed because they still hate Gen 5

I was also happy, but I was happy because my favorite Gen wasn’t gonna get butchered. Instead they took some Gen 5 ideas to make SV and then made a DLC that kind of respects unova, and then left it there. Good

[molten latch]

I think

[clear lichen]

And yeah, Gen 5 is not underrated anymore

[clear lichen]

L:A was good imo

[molten latch]

Gen 2 is just Gen 1 expansion.

Dont give me wrong

[clear lichen]

And also, I saw 0 people happy that Gen 5 was "skipped"

[molten latch]

Gen 2 is my favorite

[clear lichen]

It wasn't even skipped and people mald about it

[rough hound]

Obligatory "you know who else is a cool dragon type?"

[ember bear]

tbh yeah im also glad it's not a gen 5 remake

[clear lichen]

The only happy people are the ones who wanted to see Gen 6 get some love

[rough hound]

But yea the great dragon nerf makes me sad

[molten latch]

My Dragalge!
Muscle Man-

[ember bear]

i would have not liked if they just made bdsp but gen 5

[clear lichen]

Gen 2 fans were malding

Gen 5 fans were malding

[stuck bane]

So if I say “the black sheep of Pokémon generations” you DONT think of unova?

[clear lichen]

Nope not really

[rough hound]

=3

[clear lichen]

It used to be

[stuck bane]

Which one do you think of

[molten latch]

Dragalge is good too.

[clear lichen]

But I'd say nowadays Kalos, Galar and Paldea get most of the hate

Alola is spared from the hate

[ember bear]

the lastest gens get plenty of hate

[molten latch]

Oof

[clear lichen]

(The Kalos hate is dying down now that ZA is announced and suddenly everyone has always liked it)

[molten latch]

Goofy ahh Genwunners

[ember bear]

only real flaw of gen 7 were the unskippable cutscenes

[clear lichen]

(Just like with every other generation)

(Seems like lies to me)

[ember bear]

and crabominable

[stuck bane]

Ok that’s fair, but those are mostly fault of being poorly made and rushed instead of actual bad generations

[clear lichen]

Yknow what thanks for not calling them bad generations, because at least for SV there was a clear vision but not enough time

[stuck bane]

True

[clear lichen]

I get what they were trying to do with SWSH's story but they kinda fucked up multiple times there

The Darkest Day shit was pretty cool

But Rose is kinda stupid

Like lacking braincells

[ember bear]

in 1000 years there is gonna be a disaster we have to cancel the championship now!

[clear lichen]

"Yeah I'll revive the Pokemon manifestation of the doomsday, what could go wrong? I clearly need this energy for 1000 years later"

Meanwhile Regieleki in the nearby island:

[molten latch]

So sad that we dont have eletric and dragon ün ün ün.

[clear lichen]

I see what they were trying though

I forgot what Gen 6 was like lmao

[molten latch]

Oof

Goat

[clear lichen]

All I remember was getting frustrated at how shit Greninja's movepool was

[molten latch]

Thats all I can say

[ember bear]

doomsday device to kill people

[clear lichen]

That part I know

I know some fragments

But not details

[stuck bane]

There was a war with a megnemite

[clear lichen]

And some other fragments

[ember bear]

i was about to say "hey that's kinda harsh" but then i remember what cyrus wanted to do

[clear lichen]

Yeah I know about the war and the nuking

Ghetsis is the most villain villain, he wanted like what world domination or some shit?

And he fucking froze an entire city

He committed child and Pokemon abuse

One of which being his adopted son

He's threatened child murder

Multiple times

He's kinda just a piece of shit but ykw I respect it

[molten latch]

Gen 6 is getting the love that it needed

Because idk if Eternal Floette and Eternatus are related

(Probably not)

[clear lichen]

Bro all the other villains have some intricate goal to their world ending bs

[ember bear]

if they even remember about efloette

[stuck bane]

Nah he was the most evil villain, Cyrus was more apathetic, multiple cases of abuse, on his adopted son and Hydreigon who he forces to hold a life orb and has maximum damage on frustration, deception, thievery, and by the end he literally readies to try and impale the player with his cane when kyurem fails him

[clear lichen]

Like being stupid enough to think no water/100% water is good for survival

[molten latch]

Cyrus is peaked villain, he's like Enrico Pucci from Jojo

[clear lichen]

Idk what Cyrus' main reason was but hey he has friendship evos

I think he talks about seeing Pokemon as tools or something but like

Hey that Crobat is right there

[molten latch]

Ye

[clear lichen]

I think he's lying

[stuck bane]

You can argue Cyrus was a better written villain, but there’s no argument ghetsis was the most cruel and evil

[ember bear]

(i mean you can evolve those by just battling)

[clear lichen]

Lysandre wants to murder to make the world beautiful or something?

Kinda dumb but ok

[molten latch]

Ghetsis and Team Plasma is just PETA

[clear lichen]

At least it isn't pure evil

[ember bear]

they probably formed onesided attachments to him

[clear lichen]

Lusamine's kinda just obsessed over the space jellyfish

[ember bear]

and the loss of her husband ig

[clear lichen]

Guzma kinda just hates being ignored by every living being or something along those lines

Idek if any of the characters in Gen 8 can count as a full on leader for Team Skull

[ember bear]

funny how the anime actually have her a happy ending and the game just, doesn't

[clear lichen]

Idt Piers was even telling them to go be pieces of shit over things

[ember bear]

guzma had abusive parents

[clear lichen]

And Marnie was directly against it

[molten latch]

And Penny doesnt help because all she wanted is a school degree or to help her friends to stop being bullied.

[clear lichen]

Penny's kinda just uhh

Taking things a wee bit far to combat bullying

[molten latch]

Yeah

[clear lichen]

Just a "tiny" bit

[ember bear]

like you could check the golf clubs and they were damaged with "dents" that implying someone being beaten with those

[molten latch]

And Chairman Rose is just want power
(As in eletric bills)

[clear lichen]

Volo's like the living embodiment of the phrase "Curiosity kills the cat"

And then there's Ghetsis who's just fucking evil as shit

[stuck bane]

You’re misremembering. BW team plasma were some good people being decieved by ghetsis and his speeches. After it was revealed he lied to try and take all Pokémon for himself, the ones who thought they were doing good split off.

This is what created the difference between team plasma and team neo plasma, in B2W2 team plasma are good guys and try to be like a PETA that doesn’t have the highest mortality rate in existence

[clear lichen]

Bro at least Giovanni didn't want world domination iirc

At least he didn't threaten child murder

Or city destruction

Sure he is also kinda just evil for the sake of it

[stuck bane]

THIS

[clear lichen]

But he isn't THAT evil

Ghetsis is pure evil and it's pretty fun

[ember bear]

didn't he plan to get mewtwo and take over with it

[clear lichen]

Screw well thought out tragic backstories

[molten latch]

Yeah true

[clear lichen]

Just be a jackass

[clear lichen]

Idk lol

Mewtwo doesn't have much backstory about it in game

[ember bear]

i would guess so since that's what happened with team rainbow rocket

[molten latch]

While Archie ane Maxie just want their property taken.

[clear lichen]

And game canon and anime canon seem apart from each other

[molten latch]

Ye

[clear lichen]

Archie and Maxie fr thought what they were doing was good for the world 💀

They have 0 braincells but ykw they didn't have bad intentions I guess?

[molten latch]

Ye

Maxie just want land because IGN said so

While Archie was to start a flooding like IRL

[clear lichen]

For looking like a smartass scientist Maxie isn't smart

"Hmm yes if we only had land, Pokemon and humans would be happier" Everyone dying from dehydration:

[molten latch]

One nitpick, ITS JUST BIONICLE

Glatorians and the Toa Mahris

Anyways other than any of those topics of evil team, pokemons and unrelated things.

In the end, its just a discussion that's heavily will or will not solved.

But yeah. . .

[prime dust]

i know how to solve this

https://tenor.com/view/tess-spheal-gif-22641311

[civic harness]

[prime dust]

spheal distraction

[molten latch]

https://tenor.com/view/spheal-sniff-nose-hungry-pokemon-gif-14614876398478750391

Do I smell a round boi?

[wraith otter]

Nah bruh who the heck is voting for those pokemon winning in #announcements cmon now

[prime dust]

not voting

those are people who won an event, those winners get to pick a choice that will be voted on later

[civic harness]

There are not in yet

[prime dust]

we're only getting 2 lines with this [unless Frog or the discord staff pull a fast one]

1 line from the community vote, and 1 line via the exclusive vote

[civic harness]

We dont know if there any extra

[prime dust]

thus why i said in brackets [unless frog or the discord staff pull a fast one]

[stuck bane]

It’s also partially the system. It’s a winners only vote, 6 showdown players, 6 spriters, and 1 dex entry

There might be other stuff they wanted to add, but unless the choice appeals to both competitive and spriting, it won’t win, so choices like Slurpuff, ribombee, and lurantis are strong choices for appealing to both sides

[molten latch]

cough cough necroza cough

[clear lichen]

Anyways hello I'm back

[prime dust]

meaning, we have no knowledge on whether something like that will happen or not

[molten latch]

Hey

[opaque ether]

Late to see this and reply, but now I have. Yeah I hear voting 3 does wonders for that.

[stuck bane]

I could see something like, when we hit 500k members frog might have a bonus or something, but I wouldn’t expect it to be large and I wouldn’t get my hopes up, other holidays are right around the corner like Halloween and there may be reveals then

[civic harness]

495.363 members

[stuck bane]

Oh damn I was about to say when did we lose 50k

But yes we’re about 5k away, getting ~33 new members every hour, we should hit it before the 29th

[molten latch]

Idk may because some people arent interested on playing the game again?

Dont give me wrong, the game is still on a strong shape.

[clear lichen]

Idk I'm too lazy to leave discord servers

[stuck bane]

Who knows, I’ll be looking forward to playing it while pocketpair works on a fix for palworld

[clear lichen]

But tbf that's just me being lazy

[prime dust]

when the announcement for the vote went out we lost a good chunk of people ironically

[stuck bane]

Yeah, we were on a giant Downtick but now we’re goin up again

[clear lichen]

What even happened for palworld actually I just see people being toxic, apparently Palworld copied a few models, and then I never heard of it again

[civic harness]

[prime dust]

much like any game it lost some traction

[ember bear]

yeah

[molten latch]

Its Ironic that Pokemon does the same long time ago

Especially Dragon Quest.

[clear lichen]

Copy models? Not quite

[ember bear]

it's a neat game but once you are done with stuff to do you are kinda left with minmaxing and most just decide to leave

[clear lichen]

Because apparently there's actual proof for Palworld directly copying models

[molten latch]

Idk

Palworld ainy bad at all.

I know some Pals are look alike but others are original.

[clear lichen]

Also Pokemon's comparisons to Dragon Quest aren't quite as obvious to some of the Pals VS Pokemon comparisons I've seen

[molten latch]

[clear lichen]

But yeah most are original

But the ones that aren't are so blatant omg

Luxray 2

Hmm

[stuck bane]

Ok.

Toxicity was mostly from Pokémon fans, and died down after realizing palworld wasn’t copying Pokémon, it was closer to ark with new elements

Palworld did not copy any models. Pocketpair confirmed a few months after they never faced any legal issues with gamefreak or Nintendo. There was one notorious person on twitter who edited the models in an attempt to make them look closer to Pokémon designs, and lied about it, and then admitted they did it because “I’m against palworld’s message of guns”

So both groups mostly coexist now, competition will be better for us both

[molten latch]

Lucario 2

[clear lichen]

Oh OK

[stuck bane]

That one was in the game files and never intended to be released

[clear lichen]

Did see a lot of toxicity from Palworld's side too tbf

[ember bear]

i mean that's literally anubis

like

straight up taken from egypt

[clear lichen]

You'd see Palworld fans leaving negative comment bombs on anything Pokemon related

[stuck bane]

IKR???

[molten latch]

Yeah, Anubis is good ngl

[clear lichen]

Whether it's the official channel for Pokemon or some famous Poketuber

It got really annoying

[stuck bane]

I was in the palworld subreddit, poke fans did that to us too, they had to censor the word pokemon for a few months from how bad it was

[clear lichen]

Like bro I don't feel like hearing more toxicity in my life

[ember bear]

it's just the usual fractions of fanbases being the loudest and hostile towards each other

[molten latch]

Goofy Ahh Genwunners

[clear lichen]

So like the small minority of Pokemon fans being extremely vocal about insulting each other's favourite generations incessantly?

[ember bear]

it basically happens within any community

[molten latch]

Ye

It aint fun

Palworld is good

[clear lichen]

I feel like insulting another Generation based on Pokemon is especially stupid when every generation has a few bad Pokemon

[stuck bane]

But there’s the special communities, pokemon, undertale, etc. that have extremely toxic fanbases

[clear lichen]

And there's always more good than bad anyways

[clear lichen]

TRUE

I need to shoutout Calamity Mod here

[molten latch]

Roblox too

[clear lichen]

Extremely loud vocal minority bullying a music producer struggling with depression into never associating with Terraria ever again

Yippee!

[molten latch]

Roblox is even worst than that buddy

[clear lichen]

Also yeah I only really saw any amount of copying or inspiration in the models

For Palworld

[molten latch]

I see

[clear lichen]

The gameplay was always more oriented around Ark

As someone who watched a lot of Ark YouTuber at the time, I noticed that immediately

[molten latch]

And the gameplay is like fortnite

[clear lichen]

Idk, Ark also has guns

And I saw a lot of talk about glitchily cheesing bosses

Which also sounds like Ark honestly

And capturing creatures and using them for war

Also Ark

[stuck bane]

In complete fairness, some were too close like azurobe’s hair

But in a patch pretty early on it was changed to have more basic hair. And like I said before the Luxray and mewtwo ones were just scrapped in development, confirmed by the community manager Bucky

[clear lichen]

And breeding them each other over

And over

And over

For the perfect war machine

Also Ark

[ember bear]

reminds me of something

[clear lichen]

It's kinda just Ark actually

[stuck bane]

Yeah that’s basically palworld’s end game

For now

[ember bear]

then again there is not that much need to breed pokemon anymore because of all the new items

maybe egg moves ig

[clear lichen]

Also man you are definitely uhh

Not wrong

Used to play Roblox a lot, left because of how much bypassing there was in chat to slur at each other

[molten latch]

Whats the differents between Ark and Pokemon
Ark is for the Dinosaur Nerds
And Palworld is just for the Pokemon Fans.

[stuck bane]

Minecraft public servers are super toxic, I’m glad I left for the most part

[clear lichen]

And also just Roblox censoring random sentences that are normal

[stuck bane]

I hate to say it but you’re not wrong

[clear lichen]

And a while back I decided to start playing Roblox again

And like

Bro

Why is it laggier than Elden Ring

[molten latch]

Yeah

[clear lichen]

What

[molten latch]

I understand that

[stuck bane]

Or people like xbox and steam who never got to play Pokémon because they didn’t have a Nintendo system

[molten latch]

Yeah

That too

[clear lichen]

Literally me playing Pokemon Brick Bronze on Roblox

And other Pokemon related games on Roblox actually

Before they got nuked

[molten latch]

And changed it to Loomian Legacy

NGL its good

Because it has 7 starters

[clear lichen]

What will release first, Loomian Legacy Final Boss or Silksong?

[molten latch]

Final Boss

[clear lichen]

The answer may shock you

[molten latch]

Silksong I think

Yeah

[clear lichen]

But yeah I'm pretty sure I've obtained every Loomian ever

I'm

Hmm

Addicted

[molten latch]

Mixed

[clear lichen]

Let's put it that way

[molten latch]

Ye

There are also Monster Capturing games

Not just pokemon

Casette Beast, Monster Rancher, Yokai Watch, Digimon, Bugsnax and Tem Tem.

Also Doodle World

[clear lichen]

I know but I'm the most familiar with Pokemon because of how much I've played it

[clear lichen]

Doodle World's pretty cool

There's also Tales of Tanorio but I don't like it because it's incredibly unbalanced

[molten latch]

Ok, What topic are talking about now?

[clear lichen]

Like bro who gave this goat one of the highest attack stats in the game, great coverage and then Huge Power but also Parental Bond

Anyways should probably get back on topic

[molten latch]

Ye

[clear lichen]

I've really talked about most the opinions on New Pokemon that could be added that I feel are especially noteworthy

I'd be free to talk about one that someone else mentions though

[molten latch]

Yeah

Idk why

[clear lichen]

When I run out of things to talk about I tend to not stop talking anyways :/

[molten latch]

But when I think of Tsareena, I think of her hating. But it kinda grown on me?

Maybe because of the *imp magnet meme that I've been joking onto anyone.

[clear lichen]

As in you think of Tsareena being a hater?

Or think of hating Tsareena

[molten latch]

You mean me

[clear lichen]

Honestly I could see Tsareena being a professional hater

[molten latch]

Yeah, but again it changes my subject.

Like a Tau trained a Space Marine to change a subject.

[clear lichen]

Like idk Tsareena gives hater vibes

Would be pretty funny to see get added

[molten latch]

Yeah

[clear lichen]

It also has priority immunity ability

Which is cool

Stats aren't great though

[molten latch]

Then I would be calling everyone a *imp.

[clear lichen]

But it has Rapid Spin

[ember bear]

we have bruxish for prio immunity!

[clear lichen]

True

[molten latch]

Yeah

[clear lichen]

But this one's a Grass

And not a Water/Psychic

[molten latch]

Imma be honest

Tsareena is kinda grown on me

Hear me out.

[clear lichen]

badum tss

[ember bear]

?

[clear lichen]

Grass type

[molten latch]

I may be a S.I.M.P.
||Sniper Monke||

[clear lichen]

Grow

Hehe

[ember bear]

ye ik about the grow pun

[clear lichen]

(Not funny I know)

[ember bear]

i just

always assume the worst when anyone says "hear me out"

[clear lichen]

Lmao

[molten latch]

Idk I now feel bad for Tsareena fans for calling them a *imp.

Yeah

Should I feel bad or what?

[clear lichen]

Either repent for your sins or double down

Pick a side

[molten latch]

Id rather repent

[clear lichen]

What's a Pokemon you're surprised nobody mentioned?

I haven't seen anyone apart from myself mention Mienshao

Kinda surprised

It's decently cool

[molten latch]

Druggidon

[clear lichen]

Good stats

Regenerator

Fighting type, which is apparently rare

[uncut hound]

liepard :D

[outer matrix]

There's been more that mentioned it a while ago

[molten latch]

Idk how to pronounce the dragon's name

[ember bear]

druddigon?

[clear lichen]

Well this would be spelling

And I typod

[molten latch]

Yeah that

[clear lichen]

Multiple times

I'm not overtly surprised nobody mentioned Druddigon

It's a less popular Pokemon

Isn't too great in Competitive

[molten latch]

Yeah, he's a forgettable dragon.

[clear lichen]

And also, it seems like it wouldn't be easy to sprite

[molten latch]

Yeah

[clear lichen]

It's got the worst of 3 worlds

[molten latch]

Ouch

Poor guy

[clear lichen]

I did vote a 2 for it though

It's honestly overhated

[ember bear]

also i kinda have a feeling that some people aren't fond of getting more dragons

[clear lichen]

I get that feeling too but it's stupid

[molten latch]

Like Kommo-O

[clear lichen]

At least imo

[outer matrix]

~~ we need more faries instead ~~

[molten latch]

Yes

[rain locust]

Yes.

[clear lichen]

Dragons are inherently rare, us not having many dragons left to go says more about how many dragons there are overall than how many dragons there are in IF

[rain locust]

(carbink enjoyer)

[clear lichen]

There's less fully evolved non legendary Dragons than fully evolved Fairies

The reason why Dragons are so "common" is entirely legendaries being 10 of the 21(?)

So yeah don't vote based on how common you think a type is

Actually do research

[outer matrix]

Most dragon types that can evolve are either the pseudos that take a while to evolve (aka, above lvl 60 for finals sometimes)

[clear lichen]

And even then don't vote based on how common a type is

That's for losers

Frfr

Fuck type balancing

We ball

[rain locust]

types dont need to be balanced in numbers imo

[clear lichen]

I agree, and even if we did add another Dragon they'd still be one of the rarest non legendary types

Tied with Fairy

[ember bear]

it's more about people wanting more options ig

[outer matrix]

I guess one thing to consider is where any of these Pokémon will be found at in the game because that's also something important as well

[molten latch]

Drudhdhhddndhdhdon (idk its name) is cool but so sad it got wasted potential.

[outer matrix]

~~ hopefully nothing is found at Mt silver ~~

[clear lichen]

Well, I don't think you're finding a legendary in wild grass

[molten latch]

Now its worse of 4 worlds as I cant pronouce its name.

[clear lichen]

Unless youre on a randomiser

[rain locust]

druddigon

[molten latch]

Thanks

[outer matrix]

I'm talking about regular Pokémon, so no legendaries or mythicals

[clear lichen]

Yeah so Dragons are extremely rare then

11 fully evolved Dragons iirc

Most of which are Pseudos which evolve at high levels

Apparently dragons are commonly voted and that's part of why people hate them

But like

[hexed agate]

Druddigon

[clear lichen]

That's a dumb reason to hate

[molten latch]

Another forgotten pokemon nobody mentions is Basculin. (Unovan)

[hexed agate]

People hate them because we have almost all of them lol

[clear lichen]

Basculin is better than Camerupt probably

In battle

[hexed agate]

While bug and fighting types fight for scraps

[clear lichen]

Also a dumb reason when there's barely any Dragon types that arent legendary anyways

[ember bear]

wouldn't be so bad if the evolution was available

[molten latch]

Ye

[clear lichen]

That's just an opinion though

[outer matrix]

Suprising that Gen 7 has the most dragon types left there to add when excluding legendaries (Kommo-o line, drampa, and turtonator)

[hexed agate]

We're at like 80% of all non-mega iirc

[clear lichen]

Man, really? When we only have 11 non legendaries and 10 legendaries?

(Fully evolved I mean)

Like I said, barely any Dragon types exist

[stuck bane]

Everything not on these lists is in the game, excluding megas and Gen 8+:

Missing ghost types:
Jellicent
Gourgeist
Hoopa
Decidueye
Lunala
Marshadow
Blacephalon

Missing dragon types:
Druddigon
Dragalge
Zygarde
Turtonator
Drampa
Kommo-o
Guzzlord
Naganadel

[molten latch]

Latios and Latias lost their important items because it was banned, making them weaker.

[rain locust]

add zyg (itd be gased)

[clear lichen]

Yup, Dragon is extremely rare

I think Ghost is rather rare as well

And most of the Ghosts can't be voted for rn anyways

[eager jungle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/945252663149346856/1275195137160380528/elusive_dex.gif

[hexed agate]

We have less fighting types in both bulk and percentage

[molten latch]

Gourdgeist is what we need.

[clear lichen]

So I've been told

[stuck bane]

Oh yeah this one too

Pokémon by how many of each type in the game by percentage:
29/47 Fairy Types (61%)
29/48 Dark Types (60.4%)
52/97 Grass Types (53.6%)
38/77 Bug Types (49.3%)
29/56 Fighting Types (51.7%)

[clear lichen]

That's probably a higher priority type for those who want type balancing

[molten latch]

The GOAT is in

[rain locust]

gourgeist be kinda bad though its best as body which means grass

[hexed agate]

Fairy is the only type that makes sense being low atm

Especially because most of the popular non legend ones are in except Slurpuff

[clear lichen]

Fairy has the same number of fully evolved non legendaries as Dragons

Currently

Fairy doesn't have a singular legendary tbf

Yet

Xerneas isn't in

[hexed agate]

Diancie

[stuck bane]

I think we should have enough fairy heads to make a full team since fairy is mostly a special attacking type

[clear lichen]

Diancie isn't in either

[stuck bane]

Iirc we only have 4

[outer matrix]

Some Pokémon like linoone, mightyena and staraptor, should be saved for a future update, like an early route additions update or something

[hexed agate]

It's really hard getting fairy head type

[rain locust]

add diancie frfr

[stuck bane]

All fairy type heads currently available (and only ¾ of them are good Moonblast users):
Clefable
Sylveon
Togekiss
Granbull

[prime dust]

no legends or ultra beasts this time around

[hexed agate]

You have the Togepi line, Granbull line, and Clefable line

[prime dust]

same with starters

[hexed agate]

They voted Carbink

[rain locust]

ik it was wishful thinking

[clear lichen]

Wow primary Fairy is a lot rarer than I thought looking at the list

[stuck bane]

It’s possible, Slurpuff, Aromatisse, Florges, Comfey, Xerneas, it’s just fairy heads are super rare because fusion system

[hexed agate]

Based Carbink btw, top 10 fairies

[ember bear]

carbink will bring diancie in surely

[clear lichen]

It's only really monotypes and Togekiss for pre Gen 8

[rain locust]

https://tenor.com/view/carbink-gif-25570509

[stuck bane]

Dude there’s a chance, that alone is enough reason based on ribbon’s sprites, but like you said fairy body that walls also has great potential

[hexed agate]

Yep, trying to get mono fairy is near impossible, I'm doing my type dex and I had to redo a fairy fusion

Same with fighting

[rain locust]

i was able to get a fairy mono

fighting mono seems super bad though

[hexed agate]

I mean pure fairy, not even monotype

[rain locust]

right

[molten latch]

Sooooooooooo. . . . . .

Fairy types.

[hexed agate]

They're all sprited

[weak trellis]

do you want any other fairy head options with those first 3 tho, they're all good in their own way

[hexed agate]

Carbink supremacy

Also cool bugs

[weak trellis]

hol up

[clear lichen]

Anyways, I do think Dragons being excluded from the running is unfair

[rain locust]

slurpuff aint good

[molten latch]

Misa Car Car agreed for Carbink.

[clear lichen]

Since they're still rare since you aren't just getting a legendary from wild encounters if you're not on a rando

[outer matrix]

Slurpuff and carbink are good fusion choices

[weak trellis]

checks* about that...

[outer matrix]

I mean, for fairy fusions

[stuck bane]

Kommo was only vetoed last time because we just got altaria, Goodra, AND noivern, they just didn’t want a single vote to be dominated by dragons. They might not veto it this time tho

[weak trellis]

(I support bink but yea it'd be another fairy body)

[hexed agate]

Unburden + X4 attack

[rain locust]

drum banned

[weak trellis]

oh ROFL

[stuck bane]

I mean, unburden can do some stuff, but not having drum doesn’t make it as appealing to competitive

[hexed agate]

Meta sucks

[molten latch]

Anyways I'm gonna go and get some sleep now. Thank you guys for the time.

[sturdy frost]

slurpuff saw loads of competitive play. what do you mean

[stuck bane]

Gn

[weak trellis]

togekiss's line is the only dual type fairy with it on the first type (since flying is still lower on the order chain) from before gen 8

[stuck bane]

Correct

[rain locust]

the move that makes it decent is banned in showdown

[hexed agate]

No drum kills its gimmick

[rain locust]

for good reason

[hexed agate]

But fairy stab and getting normal gem fake out to work wouldn't be bad

[clear lichen]

Belly Drum doesn't even make Slurpuff decent in higher tiers

[weak trellis]

discounting legends and invasives the only other one is Tinkatink's line which is gen 9 so rip

[clear lichen]

Slurpuff's main niche in higher tiers doesn't even exist yet

[rain locust]

eew fake out

[clear lichen]

Because no Sticky Web

And I'm sad because of it

[hexed agate]

It's not banned because of puff lmao

[rain locust]

id sooner go some shit like red card

[clear lichen]

Yeah I know, Slurpuff doesn't exist yet

[hexed agate]

Sticky web exists, you just gotta pick someone else

[clear lichen]

It can't be banned for a Pokemon that doesn't exist

And if I'm also saying that Pokemon isn't even good with that move

I think you can tell that's definitely not the reason the move is banned

[outer matrix]

Tbh, out of all of the current special vote Pokémon, 4/5 of them are good choices for fusion material || sadly, it's pelipper that's not good imo for ideas; good for competitive, difficult for fusion ideas ||

[clear lichen]

Slurpuff's higher tier niche has always been Sash Unburden Sticky Web for as long as it got Sticky Web (a singular fucking generation lmao)

[hexed agate]

It's a fusion format

[clear lichen]

True

[rain locust]

this is basically unwallable

[hexed agate]

Its gimmick can enable other mons

[clear lichen]

But hey I never insinuated Slurpuff got Belly Drum banned

[stuck bane]

I don’t hate Pelipper, but yeah it’s at the back of the running. Not that I blame the winner understanding the mechanics of the special vote was unknown to all of us

[clear lichen]

So yeah

[clear lichen]

Simply KO it first fr

[outer matrix]

Photon geyser?

[sturdy frost]

I already existed...
slurpuff saw decent use in OU for a while (not enough to reach the 3.5% mark to be classed as OU exclusive)
But it was too strong for UU, so slurpuff in general was banned there. Too good for UU, not used enough for OU

[hexed agate]

I'll roll the reel, and you're going to be so mad when I'm wrong right

[rain locust]

to ignore unaware

[clear lichen]

It was NUBL

:/

In Gen 7 OU at least

Well Gen 7 in general I suppose

[hexed agate]

Classic Hitmontop scenario

[clear lichen]

Which was what I was referring to

NUBL is, unfortunately for Slurpuff, not UUBL

[sturdy frost]

In gen 6 it was UUBL

[clear lichen]

Well, in Gen 7 it wasn't

And since IF uses a Gen 7 ruleset, I try to default to Gen 7 to judge

[sturdy frost]

But it HAS existed.
but no point in argueing semantics

[clear lichen]

Yeah guess my phrasing there wasn't clear at all then

Ah well

[hexed agate]

Tbf both its niches are exacerbated by a better Pokémon using them

[outer matrix]

Which is...?

[rain locust]

galv for webs

[clear lichen]

No other Pokemon has both Webs and Unburden and Magic Coat and Yawn and Endeavor and Misty Explosion

[hexed agate]

Setup sweeper, and setup fodder

[rain locust]

misty explosion is a gen 8 move

[clear lichen]

Slurpuff is simply the best suicide lead Sticky Webber in Gen 8 Ubers barring except maybe Shuckle

[clear lichen]

And so is Sticky Web on Slurpuff

[hexed agate]

Just run eject button

[rain locust]

So True.

[clear lichen]

Which is why I'm busy being sad it doesn't have it

[hexed agate]

We love suicide leads in my teams

[clear lichen]

Also it Eject Button prevents Defog

Or Rapid Spin

[hexed agate]

Best value speed control if used well

[clear lichen]

Which is the reason for Misty Explosion

Now it does suffer from 4mss

But hey it does stuff

[hexed agate]

But every niche creature does

[clear lichen]

A lot of Pokemon with niches in higher tiers don't tend to be that tier tbf

[hexed agate]

Because they don't have to prep that many answers

[clear lichen]

Anyways so I check Gen 7's viability ranking

[hexed agate]

Ferrothorn's answer will always be "if I could have more bulk..."

[clear lichen]

Specifically to fact check

Ferrothorn can't really be called niche in Ubers if it's one of the best Pokemon

Ferrothorn's just that good

[hexed agate]

Gastrodon my beloved

Unspouts your water

[clear lichen]

If you're as good as Marshadow, Ho-Oh and Xerneas, you're doing something right

[outer matrix]

Out of curiosity, what is the best Pokémon for competitive that isn't in IF currently?

[clear lichen]

Calyrex-Shadow if we want to get real annoying

[hexed agate]

Calyrex-shadow rider

[clear lichen]

Excluding Gen 8 and later, it's harder question

[hexed agate]

Or Magearna, if we're talking gen 7 singles

[clear lichen]

??? No?

Magearna is unbelievably worse than Caly-S

[hexed agate]

Magearna has a lot of abusable traits, given the correct things

[clear lichen]

And so does Caly-S

Like yknow

Insane SpA and Speed with Ghost type

[hexed agate]

I forgot to clarify

[clear lichen]

And a 120 BP Ghost STAB

[hexed agate]

I meant to say gen 7

[outer matrix]

Excluding anything past Gen 7

[clear lichen]

You give that mf any form of coverage for Dark and it breaks games

[hexed agate]

For the sake of argument

Brb

[clear lichen]

In that case, I'd argue something like Mega Rayquaza or the Primals

[hexed agate]

No megas, it's IF

[clear lichen]

I could see then implementing them

Ultra Necrozma's already in the game

[ember bear]

was about to say mega gengar but eh

[clear lichen]

But it'd be a bit of hard work

[clear lichen]

You wished

[ember bear]

but ig that's more of shadow tag being broken

[clear lichen]

No Encore Shadow Tag for you

(Actually yes Encore Shadow Tag for you)

(Since Chandelure has it despite not supposed to be having it in Gen 7)

(And Chandelure's speed isn't dogshit)

(Yet)

Anyways, most broken mon not in IF?

Probably Xerneas or Yveltal

(Out of the ones that could be added)

Fairy Aura is such an insane boost

And once it gets in I'd bet that Geomancy is removed from the special move list

Yveltal is similarly dangerous

But doesn't have anything quite as mad as Geomancy

It's more versatile

[ember bear]

i still find it funny that the life legendary is a sweeper and the death one is more of support

[clear lichen]

But versatile, while usually making you better, doesn't make you more unbalanced

Think Lando-T vs Lando-I as an example

Anyways, Lunala's another contender

Ghost Type

Shadow Tag for free set up

That's pretty deadly

Wait Shadow Shield mb

Idk why I said Shadow Tag

Ig my mind was still on Mega Gengar

[ember bear]

multiscales that can't be bypassed

[clear lichen]

Yup

If only it wasn't Psychic Type

Oh wait

[rain locust]

most of the time the scales gets bypassed by hazards and status though

[hexed agate]

I mean, if you somehow could get Light of Ruin and magic guard that'd be great

Like Mind Blown

[clear lichen]

So does Wonder Guard but I keep seeing people hype Shedinja up

So clearly the hazard clearing meta is extremely developed here

My brain is really fried today huh?

[hushed mantle]

Pretty sure you can do that with mew and clefable

[hexed agate]

On something with good SpAtk

[hushed mantle]

I don't remember if another legendary gets it

[rain locust]

the difference is that wonder guard makes you take 0% of the original damage instead of 50%

[hexed agate]

Probably not, each of the mythicals got a move that wasn't theirs iirc

Like Celebi and geomancy

[ember bear]

in this game wg sets hp to 1 tho

[clear lichen]

The more important difference is that Lunala has the bulk to tank a hit with Shadow Shield broken

[rain locust]

you dont need to tank a hit if youre immune

[clear lichen]

And that Wonder Guard users instantly fucking die if their Wonder Guard gets broken

Because it isn't meant to be broken

[hexed agate]

Another side effect of wonder guard is that you might as well have 1 def and spdef

[rain locust]

stack a bug/steel and dark/ghost wonder guard + imposter + bounce youve basically walled the whole meta

[clear lichen]

Idk I just really struggle seeing a 1 HP Wonder Guard user work extremely well in such a meta

[rain locust]

i went 98-2 in if dex ag with wonder guard

[clear lichen]

Simply use Roar fr

Set hazards on its face then Roar fr

[rain locust]

both get bounced

[clear lichen]

Roar yourself out into a conveniently placed Magic Bounce counter

[hushed mantle]

Mobd breaker

[clear lichen]

🔥

If Magic Bounce helped Shedinja be top tier in base Pokemon we would've heard about it more, I'm sure it's just that meta developments to check this haven't been discovered yet

Surely

OK but seriously it's so hard to imagine just being able to keep hazards off all game

And the moment you fail your Wonder Guard mon is locked out until you Defog/Spin

Which heavily limits options

[rain locust]

you havent heard about it bc if dex ag ladder died like 7 months ago

bounce defog handles 99% of hazards fine

[clear lichen]

Well that's if you outplay the opponent

So ig it's just a skill thing then

You get read you're kinda boned

[rain locust]

the other 1% you can use imposter to force the opp to defog or go into a spinner which you can also transform into

[clear lichen]

You read them they're kinda boned

[clear lichen]

As in like imposter the mon with hazards to set up on them?

And then try to copy the defogger coming in?

You'd need a double switch though

Tbf that just leads to a loop if they're Defog

One that neither players wants to break

[high haven]

Don't we have a showdown channel?

[clear lichen]

True

This time I wasn't the one who started the competitive talk though hehe

Finally I'm not the most nerdy loser in the room (I totally still am)

[stuck bane]

I mean.., this is new Pokémon discussion, it’s just discussing new Pokémon, sprite and showdown related reasons

I could argue spriters have spriter channels too, but their reasons are still welcome here

[rain locust]

if its something like sr hoohgroudon (which would ohko most bouncers) you switch to imposter, set sr on each other, force the hoohgroudon out bc you threaten to ko it, find an opportunity to defog, etc

obv cant rely completely on shed as a team but its an invaluable member

[clear lichen]

So that'd need a double switch

Since otherwise you risk getting hit while swapping in

[rain locust]

you can take a hit fine youre imposter

[clear lichen]

I guess I do see how Shed does work

But I still don't think it's just a 100% add to all teams thing

[rain locust]

considering all the insane wallbreakers you can build its insanely splashable

second only to imposter imo

[toxic flame]

Imagine winning sth and your choice for the new pkm entry is wingull the Zubat of gen 3

💀😂

[gray vine]

zubats a bat

as the name should tell you

tho reading can be rather difficult

[ember bear]

no it's a pokemon

[gray vine]

so is wingull

and thats not a bat, not all pokemon are bats

very silly

[toxic flame]

I meant it in the way that you meet both of them in abundance in thei respective game

[gray vine]

thats true for all pokemon

well exept legends of course

and mythicals cause you cant meet them at all

[rain locust]

at least pelipper sets rain

[gray vine]

either way as a fellow Pelipper enjoyer i will not have you insulting this beautiful elephant by comparing it to a bat

[toxic flame]

https://tenor.com/view/zubat-mt-moon-gif-26175971

[marble meadow]

well another mon with a weather ability would be nice like drough and drizzle

[toxic flame]

https://tenor.com/view/seagulls-seagull-gull-gulls-wingull-gif-19867985

[gray vine]

nah i rather talk visually

[rain locust]

sure but i wouldnt put it above roles we want like physdef fairy (CARBINK) or physdef water with spikes (golisopod, which i want to add if i win a tour)

[marble meadow]

obamasnow is the only one with snow warning or is there another

[rain locust]

aurorus

[toxic flame]

Alola vulpix HA

[ember bear]

regionals aren't available right?

[rain locust]

erm alola vulpix isnt that funny

[ember bear]

or did i miss something

[rain locust]

p sure they aint

[marble meadow]

but hey when do we known the next mon on the list

[toxic flame]

Welp guess time to change it /s

[rain locust]

in two days the doubles tour will happen

if i win (may or may not happen its doubles after all) i plan to add golisopod

[marble meadow]

I see a bit off topic I want to go to the Nintendo museum

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-james-team-rocket-pokemon-gif-25091008

[toxic flame]

Ain’t it in Japan?

https://tenor.com/view/broke-wallet-i-am-broke-no-money-no-cash-gif-24120042

[marble meadow]

Yeah

https://tenor.com/view/james-team-rocket-inkay-hug-pokemon-gif-25091089

[grand flame]

Inkay cute

[weak trellis]

Agreed

[hot hamlet]

too bad Malamar isn't as cute imo

[silent acorn]

IT IS

in an eldritch way

To be fair you could make the Malamar cute if you put the head on like Azumarill for example

Making a little evil rat

[unique flame]

vote gourgeist

[left hinge]

no

I vote diggersby 🗣️

Huge power stab eq gooooo 😭

[silent acorn]

Actually looks fantastic. Roserade?

If the fusions are gonna look like that count me in

To be fair... Diggersby is only worth considering because of Hugepower

Why rodents get that ability more I will never know

[rain locust]

eeew huge power

[weak trellis]

in japan I think huge power's name is a a mochi pun? (generally associated with rabbits over there)

hence why it's only on rabbit (ish in mega mawile's case) mons

[high haven]

Nah Mega Mawile is a bunny if you squint

[weak trellis]

lol that's a lot of work for a reaction emoji pun

but yea I can see it

[hollow creek]

Hot take I do not like diggersby's design at all

[high haven]

Alright

[prisma willow]

Vote Liligant so we can have justice for the Celedon City Petil

[high haven]

I mean I'm not so hot on the bun myself.

[unique flame]

i dont think thats a hot take around here

[hollow creek]

ok good

its not the absolute worst design, just not something I want in IF at the moment. Brown and yellow with dark grey is just, eugh

Im really hoping gastrodon gets an event winner vote

[weak trellis]

I do really like but as a goofymon in the same vein as crabdominable and I know I'm in a minority there

[hollow creek]

Fine in the actual games, not a good pick for IF

[daring verge]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-cute-dives-video-games-nintendo-gif-15735009

Vote for the cat, owl and clown seal

[sharp nebula]

oh no, not diives

[unique flame]

Wait can we?

[spiral musk]

we can't

[hollow creek]

YET...

[daring verge]

The #announcements said no gen8+

And we already have some alolan mons so why not add the starters already?

[hollow creek]

They will be in SOON (as soon as the 29th as an extra to the new mon vote, and as later as 1 year)

[trail hull]

Starters aren’t included in this vote because they would give no chance to the other mon do frog said they’ll be added (eventually) separately

[high haven]

Holy this was made by Diives? That's so weird to learn

[stone cliff]

Been too busy to keep up with the vote, how's it lookin boys?

[hollow creek]

I still think golisopod will win the main vote

[stone cliff]

Makes sense, it was really popular in the last one

[trail hull]

Spheal and gogoat seems more likely to me

[stone cliff]

I'd want spheal so much more if I liked Walrein

I'm ambivalent to gogoat

[timber spear]

what does that mean?

[stone cliff]

Don't care one way or the other

[timber spear]

ohhhhhhhhhhhh

[high haven]

They were literally in second place in the spriters vote, makes sense for them winning this time around.

[inland geyser]

reminder

[timber spear]

tru

i would if i could

[inland geyser]

im scared gogoats gonna win

[timber spear]

me too

[inland geyser]

i dont hate it but i dont love it

its just alright

[timber spear]

its too complex for me

[inland geyser]

grass goat... yay...

arent all goats grass goats

[timber spear]

so tru

[hollow creek]

Popular amongst people in this channel, not so much amongst the general playerbase

[timber spear]

i really wany golisopd or vikavolt to win

[inland geyser]

Vikavolt feels like Heracross shape to me

thats why im not interested

anything that feels like something we have already i hit with a 0

[stuck bane]

?????

[inland geyser]

Swellow my beloved, looks just like Talonflame

[hollow creek]

Vikavolt bodies eh, but for head fusions theres so much to do with that crazy almost robot-like texture, the electricity aspect is just the cherry on top

[stuck bane]

I’m sorry you’re welcome to dislike vika, but I don’t see how it looks anything like Hera besides both being beetles

[inland geyser]

thats what i meant

theyre both dark bluegreen beetles

im an artist who has to actually make the sprites so its boring to do something ive done already

[hollow creek]

and thats just vikavolt, the other 2 prevos have some fun to sprite, and would likely be in the early game so if you made some sprites of them fast, you could see your sprites be used a lot

[timber spear]

chargabug go crazy

[hollow creek]

For some reason I dont see vika in my list but its a 3 for me

[inland geyser]

im down for this stuff

[stuck bane]

So they don’t look alike, they take the same design potential.

Like us having meloetta already so music potential mons like chatot and exploud would be bleeding into a fusion design element we already have

[hollow creek]

IT HAS 145 SPECIAL ATTACK??????

[stuck bane]

Yeah vika brings next highest sp atk not including legends and UBs

[hollow creek]

Minior got 2, luminion also 2, and vespiquin line got a 3

[inland geyser]

yeah you could substitute "looks the same" with "same design potential" and i suppose that would be more accurate

[stuck bane]

Ok I just wanna clarify then yeah that’s a fair argument

[hollow creek]

idk vika and heracross dont have too much in similar

to me at least

[stuck bane]

Off their looks, but they both take beetle fusion niche so they’d end up fighting over it

[hollow creek]

heracross is closer to a "normal" beetle and vika is just a robot straight up

[inland geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/heracross-pokémon-heracross-horn-attack-pokémon-horn-attack-mega-horn-gif-26233444

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-vikavolt-charjabug-gif-9816156

[hollow creek]

both beetles in different ways I suppose

[timber spear]

i just like vikavolts sharp edges

[inland geyser]

he still getting a 0 from me

[stuck bane]

Granted, vika would still be fun, and they have wildly different designs, but they are both still beetles and it’s fair for someone to make that argument

[feral bear]

I love beetles give me as many beetles as possible 🐞

[inland geyser]

idk what i would do with minior body fusions tho

tbh

[trail hull]

[hollow creek]

If it wasnt for golisopod, the two bugs Id want in the most are crustle and vespiqueen

[sullen elbow]

If only orbeetle was possible 😔

[hollow creek]

with escavilier at a close 3rd

[inland geyser]

I just changed my Crustle vote from 3 to 0 cuz honestly im not interested in him as a head mon and we have Parasect already

[hollow creek]

Im the exact opposite, I would love to see how people make the crab and the rock into the shape of a dinosaur

[timber spear]

omg i forgot about vespaqueen

[inland geyser]

Escavalier is fricken TIGHT bro

[timber spear]

whos that?

[timber spear]

ohhhhhhhhhhh

that guy

[hollow creek]

Crustle and parsect have the same thing with heracross and vikavolt you mentioned, very simliar in some ways but totally different in others, instead of a mushroom its a rock and you can do a lot with a rock it wouldnt make sense to do with a mushroo

[stuck bane]

Escavalier brings crazy armor fusions

[timber spear]

tru

[hollow creek]

Sorry im just spewing unfilitered autism everywhere

[timber spear]

same

[stuck bane]

All good I think we all are

[inland geyser]

isnt this the unfiltered autism channel

[hollow creek]

the only reason I dont have escavilier as my top bug is that im slightly more iffy on its body fusion potential

[stuck bane]

P much ig

[inland geyser]

aka gushing about a new pokemon in a way that would make normal people uncomfortable

[hollow creek]

I really like shelmet tho

[inland geyser]

okay btw if your favorite gets in, whos the 2nd you want to make it in? 👀

we have half the list already 👀

BUCKLIN

BUCKLINNNN

[glass patio]

smal fellas

[hollow creek]

Well my favorite is turtonator and my second favorite after that would probably be wishiwashi

binki

[inland geyser]

im the only one who even started a wishiwashi concept

[glass patio]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/702626820876533851/1191706157040029748/29226264-C294-4DC2-9A51-7130E7A4BBE0.gif?ex=65a669d8&is=6593f4d8&hm=25ec44c5a65446109dad7a40d16778a2bdaff429ab1181c1ebfa9d21f1772704&

[hollow creek]

Is this a challenge

[glass patio]

rahhh minior!1!1!

[stuck bane]

Minior was one of my automatic 3s even before we started discussing here, sprites and shields down have only solidified that placement for me

[timber spear]

Araquanid would go crazy as well

[hollow creek]

I have the overall spriting goal of making a fusion for literally every pokemon until gen 8 so maybe I WILL

[inland geyser]

Everything I say is a challenge

[hollow creek]

[inland geyser]

"what are the ramifications of everything you say being a challenge? Have you fought your own grandma before?"

[gray stream]

i do want wishiwashi the second most btw

[stuck bane]

Agreed, I like that one better than the other water bug personally, but competitive wouldn’t like it so much since water bubble would be Insta banned

I still want water spiders, automatic 3

[timber spear]

yay

[inland geyser]

hero would be so mad

he already told me he had this one planned

[glass patio]

lmao

[fathom ridge]

The water bubble looks a bit weird, is this still WIP?

[inland geyser]

ye i was trying to do boiling bubbles in the helmet

[fathom ridge]

The body itself is great btw

[inland geyser]

these are 2 more completed ones

if Araq gets in ill do Kyurem immediately

[glass patio]

minior the sequel

idk

there’s a bunch of pokemon i’d like too but not sure who to pick

i’d say samurott but starters aren’t included this time around…

[inland geyser]

my list of "Im totally down if this gets in"

altho i removed some today

[glass patio]

and a bunch of pokemon i like are alr in the game (shedinja umbreon chandelure flygon aggron etc)

idk just give me minior that’s all i want

[hollow creek]

Abomasnow
BASEDDDDD

[inland geyser]

im down for abomasnow for the headness

[hollow creek]

same, the colors are so nice

[inland geyser]

as a body hes sorta "electivire/magmortar"

[hollow creek]

Theres the nature element and a snow element that can be played with in fusions that allow for so much potential, but for the body he is just a sack of potatoes

[high haven]

What's the list for?

[inland geyser]

my list of mons im okay if they get in the game

[inland geyser]

did you ever see this

[hollow creek]

Pretty sure ive seen that before, I like how the trees are done on that one

[high haven]

Nice, glad to see Seviper up there

[inland geyser]

Seviper is BADASS and Zangoose too

Crush Claw? Poison tail?

i know what im concepting today

[hollow creek]

Seviper is a golden armored snake with a knife tail, cant get more fusion potential than that im afriad

[inland geyser]

im going to pick 2 pokemon that are rivals, and fuse them with zangoose and seviper

[hollow creek]

I headcanon alakazam and hypno as rivals

[inland geyser]

Corsola and Mareanie are in the game too

wonder if there are any other pairs

Seviper Corsola or Mareanie will go insane

[hollow creek]

Alakazam and hypno battle in the woods to prove who is the greater magician

[fathom ridge]

arent marowak and mandibuzz also rivals?

[dusk summit]

stakataka and honedge literally just that game of thrones chair made of swords

[hot hamlet]

Dunno about Marowak but Cubone is definitely in there

Nvm. Marowak attacks on sight

[sullen elbow]

Silly Marowak, Mandibuzz is inmune to bonemerang

[bitter comet]

Does Marowak have access to smack down?

Could’ve sworn it did

If it does, that is how it takes down the Mandibuzz

[hot hamlet]

The fact that Mandibuzz attacks Cubone and Marowak are believed to be avenging their parents implies Cubone is in fact the parent, and their baby Cubone train themselves to become Marowaks so they’re strong enough to fight back.
This is one of those revenge movie stories just waiting to happen Pokémon!

[silent acorn]

Mandibuzz is technically more evil than Honchkrow

So it does fit with the Dark Type

See it as a female mommy mob boss bird

[hot hamlet]

Tinkaton/Corvinight? Nah
Marowak/Mandibuzz? Ya

[gray vine]

Honchkrow is already a Mob Boss Bird

its pretty much what its based on

[hot hamlet]

That’s 5 confirmed predator relationships I know of. Weird how the anime makes everyone seem buddy buddy these days but Gen 7 had two confirmed predator relationships (based on this pair and Mareanie) and we also have Seviper/Zangoose, Heatmor/Durant, and Tinkaton/Corvinight

[high haven]

I actually drew this a while ago

[inland geyser]

that is a LONG SNEK

it'd be terrifying to be attacked underwater by a snake that long my word

its like 3 feet longer than Milotic

[hot hamlet]

Why does it look like the purple parts are arms outstretched and crossed in that “I’m adorable” way?

[high haven]

That wasn't intentional, but it works really well

[hollow creek]

Got damn you'd make a great spriter

[silent acorn]

Seviper?

[glass patio]

snek

[high haven]

Nah, I'm comfortable with making concept art for others

Oh, and I made some crabs. I did Krabby earlier but I wanted to show both Krabby and the newly finished Kingler

[inland geyser]

I decided ill do Seviper/Reshiram and Zangoose/Zekrom

[outer matrix]

for the concept art contest?

[inland geyser]

just in general but

maybe

we have a week and I really wana do a Cryogonal head

some real peak stuff

COMBEE/GOLURK WOULD BE A GIANT HONEYCOMB WITH LIKE 16 COMBEES IN HIS CHEST CAVITY

😮 !!!!

[outer matrix]

you should go for that idea tbh

[hot hamlet]

Big hive with the honey spilling out the chest like that one Joltik fusion

[inland geyser]

all of them have like different expressions 😮

that could go freakin crazy

i was wondering if i had a good pose for it, but i dont, so have a pic of Pikachu getting yeeted

[hot hamlet]

“You ever get so mad you hit a guy with another guy?!?!?”

[high haven]

Go off king

[inland geyser]

WAIT first!!! I wana also make Latios Seviper, and Latias Zangoose

[civic harness]

What is youre next move?

Oh I see

[silent acorn]

What guy? I just see a mouse

[silent acorn]

Wouldn't this be more like Vespiquen? Vespi is the collective hive one

[silent acorn]

Damn this goes very hard Gage

[inland geyser]

working on a custom for Seviper face

@spiral musk

Oo i know, Ill put the wings more in a flap position lower, but angled flat, and have the tail higher up

[hollow creek]

Man how tf you do that so fast

[silent acorn]

Inspiration and three mugs of coffee probably

[inland geyser]

Did you see me try the 20 concepts in one day challenge? I got 15 done

[high haven]

Thank you! I try my best

[hollow creek]

but howwww, do you use a pen or mouse?

[inland geyser]

I use a mouse in Ms paint

[hollow creek]

im determined to follow in your steps (i am also a mouse spriter)

[hazy fable]

why you shouldnt pick elemental monkeys:
• they are bad
• no good fusion sprites have been presented since the start of fusion month event
• EEL is better choice for your vote

[bitter comet]

Counterpoint: if the monkeys get in, we won’t have to worry about them joining the game in the future, and therefore we will never have to feel fear again

[civic harness]

KAJAJAJJA

[hot hamlet]

Counterpoint: Simisage/Slaking=Rillaboom

[bitter comet]

Wish.com Rillaboom

[hazy fable]

Counterpoint: We could just never add them at all and forget their existence

[civic harness]

Be careful

Frog is watching

[bitter comet]

Ain’t he always watching?

Like the giant eyeball in the sky that gazes upon us ceaselessly

[civic harness]

Is the big frog in the sky, seeing the chaos

[hot hamlet]

“Ceaseless Watcher, turn your gaze upon this lowly vessel.”
Thanks for the Magnus Archives flashbacks

[stuck bane]

Why you should pick elemental monkeys:
• they are good
• good sprites before they’re even added including fusions for medicham, meganium, and Blacephalon
• Mmm… monke

[bitter comet]

Magnus archives fan spotted
(Man, I actually haven’t seen a fellow Magnus archives fan in ages on a discord server lol)

[civic harness]

Is like a starter pick without starter pick, but with less pokemons

[hot hamlet]

Always a fan. Listening to it is how I got the inspiration for my sci-fi book that I’m still working up the courage to submit to agents!

[bitter comet]

Well, wish you luck with that

[stuck bane]

That too, even more reasons to pick them!

And a triple fusion!

[civic harness]

Well... maybe

Sounds good

The triple macaco

[eager quarry]

Simisage is cooler than rillaboom anyways

[stuck bane]

So their triple would totally be Simisimi in the same way the triple fusion of the Regis is regiregi right?

[hazy fable]

medicham and blacephalon isnt in the game

[civic harness]

Simisimisimi

[stuck bane]

Still good sprites

Not great, but good