pif-hoenn-discussion

[clear lichen]

Whether you can make it work?

Different thing entirely

I guess on low ladder when people spam Mega Banette

Except even then

[civic harness]

I have another thing but it have cream

[upper echo]

offensive snow setter
choose the ice cream cone

[clear lichen]

I feel like Mega Banette would fold a Camerupt

And that's like the worst NatDex OU mon in existence

[hot hamlet]

I just want more dishes for a Food Run pt 2

[civic harness]

Why offensive?

[clear lichen]

Murder

[upper echo]

stab blizzard 🗣️

no misses

[civic harness]

Just for that?

[upper echo]

it's not like ice is doing anything defensively

[clear lichen]

Why else would you run a Pokemon with better offensive profile over a Pokemon with better defensive profile

And why would you run a Pokemon with a better defensive profile if the Pokemon is an ice type

[upper echo]

ah yes let us run a defensive ice type
what could go wrong

[clear lichen]

A-Tales would be the best option but that's not happening anytime soon

[civic harness]

Well, I want an Ice type too but... is a different choose

[upper echo]

a tales is the one defensive ice type that works

[clear lichen]

Defensive?

Lol no

[upper echo]

I mean it's as defensive as it can get

[quaint mauve]

I dont hate how Ice/Electric is working so far on either end of the spectrum.
But thats more because electric is ridiculously efficient than anything else

[clear lichen]

Aurora Veil is more so utility than defence

[upper echo]

1 weakness

[upper echo]

defensive utility

[civic harness]

If I say it you guys would kill me with competitive data

[clear lichen]

I feel like I'd rather spam Blizzard with Atales than with Vanilluxe

[upper echo]

nuh uh

I like relicanth

[civic harness]

Not that pokemon

[clear lichen]

I talk about competitive because opinions are harder to talk about

[quaint mauve]

Fire, Fighting, Rock, Ground.
Not great weaknesses, but you can summarize it as 'Keep it out of a cave" and it'll live fine.

[upper echo]

81 spa

[clear lichen]

79 speed

[upper echo]

fairy typing do be helping tho

[clear lichen]

You can't spam Blizzard if you aren't alive to do so

[upper echo]

vanilluxe can live a hit

👍

[clear lichen]

Anyways the true correct answer is set up Aurora Veil then find a way to switch in Kyurem

[upper echo]

(1)

[civic harness]

What about concept and spriting material? All the pokemons have potential

[quaint mauve]

bold statements taken out of context

[clear lichen]

Like I said, opinions are harder to talk about

Those are subjective so people disagree a lot on that

[upper echo]

vanilluxe learns aurora veil

[clear lichen]

And personally I'd just tell them that their opinions are valid unless they present it as fact

What can be defined as objective is how good a Pokemon performs in battle in a PVP sense

Specifically PVP because almost any Pokemon works in PVE, if not literally any

[civic harness]

Well... Youre right but this fangame is about fusions

[upper echo]

of course some mons work better in pve then in pvp

[civic harness]

What about the changes in head and body fusions?

[clear lichen]

Yeah so I'd just agree that the concept for fusions for a certain Pokemon is cool/disagree but respect opinion

[upper echo]

since switching isn't much of a factor

[clear lichen]

It gets a bit repetitive to just say "yeah this concept is cool" or "no this concept is cool" or whatever

Over and over

[upper echo]

how will said mon impact the competitive scene of fusion double battles

🤔

that's more interesting

[clear lichen]

Which mon in particular I kinda went off track

[upper echo]

uhh torkoal

👍

[clear lichen]

Probably the best sun setter whose name doesn't start with a G and end with an N

[civic harness]

Well, I will put the propaganda later

[quaint mauve]

I thought that was ninetails job?

[clear lichen]

I hear a lot more about Torkoal in VGC than Ninetales in VGC

In fact the same goes for Singles

And by the time Ninetales gets to a lower tier Vulpix already got Sun heavily nerfed

[upper echo]

ninetales is non existant in vgc

being frail is a death sentence

[clear lichen]

Flutter Mane is cackling at this statement

[quaint mauve]

Flutter Mane can fold to priority for all its existence matters

[clear lichen]

Well I hope you have Shadow Sneak or Bullet Punch

Or Ice Shard I guess

Because no other Priority hits it

[quaint mauve]

Im addicted to technician, of course i have bullet punch.

[clear lichen]

Scizor W

(Common)

But man Flutter Mane basically got a free KO every time it got in before its 3 day QB in Singles OU

Even if you had Scizor, you can't just switch it in, you'd risk getting evaporated by Mystical Fire

They can also just swap out their Flutter Mane when Scizor gets in

Scizor has a lot more reliable checks than Flutter Mane

Because Flutter Mane kinda has 0

[quaint mauve]

shrug
I also exist in doubles to the exclusion of everything else.
Including the game this chats technically supposed to be about.

[clear lichen]

I'm not good at VGC but what I do know is that it does not give a crap about its physical frailty

And proceeds to be amazing anyways

You'd think that having 55/55 physical bulk would doom it but nope

God damn, I hate this Pokemon in competitive

Thank god it can't get in Infinite Fusion

[civic harness]

Im come back, what pokemon?

[clear lichen]

Also yeah mb got sidetracked because Flutter Mane is unbalanced

[bitter comet]

Yet

[clear lichen]

It's a Gen 9 mon we should be safe

[bitter comet]

At least until someone figures out how to code gen 8+ in

[quaint mauve]

I mean, we've had this discussion.
We could do it, but we're finishing the first seven first.

[stuck bane]

We’re finishing the first 7, unless we run into other weird cases like dusk form lycanroc or one of the mon’s that might have weird code like minior or wishiwashi

[upper echo]

🍓

[upper echo]

it genuinely isn't that frail
135 spd is pretty decent for a mon with 135 speed and 135 spa

💀 it's a support mon too

[clear lichen]

Was talking about that physical bulk

55/55 💀

Ninetales isn't specially frail either

But it is also physically frail

Not as frail as Flutter Mane

But it has a Rock weakness which is never good

Also saying Flutter Mane is a support mon as if Ninetales has any purpose other than setting up sun (which would almost certainly count as support)

It's just that Flutter Mane has absurd other stats

And type

And isn't outclassed by a tortoise

Or a kaiju

[hot hamlet]

Gotta go with blueberry

[clear lichen]

Or a bicycle

[upper echo]

it really doesn't need to be that physically tanky tbh
plus it already beats most of the physical attackers anyways
but being fast is crazy useful when you got icy wind

[clear lichen]

Yeah but it's still a physically frail Pokemon that succeeds in VGC

So it isn't a death sentence

[upper echo]

it doesn't matter that it's physically frail

[clear lichen]

Tbf it usually is

[upper echo]

if it's specially tanky

[clear lichen]

Flutter Mane is just cracked

[upper echo]

beats most if not all the physical attackers anyways

and is fast

[clear lichen]

Ninetales is rather specially tanky and physically frail

[upper echo]

ninetales doesn't beat every physical attacker

and hits hard

and is fast

[clear lichen]

Yeah so if a Pokemon just is absurdly broken

[upper echo]

and ninetales is not that specially tanky

[clear lichen]

Then being frail isn't a death sentence

[civic harness]

What about both?

[lament tree]

statblock ninetales/ninetales

[light garden]

Ninetales/Ninetales
Fire
HP: 73
ATK: 76
DEF: 75
SP. ATK: 81
SP. DEF: 100
SPD: 100
BST total: 505

Ninetales/Ninetales
Fire
HP: 73
ATK: 76
DEF: 75
SP. ATK: 81
SP. DEF: 100
SPD: 100
BST total: 505

[clear lichen]

Who's there to hit you if everyone is dead?

[lament tree]

Yes it is

Problem sovled

[upper echo]

it's no special tank

[lament tree]

It is

[upper echo]

another thing is the typing too

[clear lichen]

And neither is 55/135

[lament tree]

It's pure fire

[clear lichen]

They're both frail it's just that one has absurd stats everywhere that it needs it

And the other is outclassed by 3 seperate Pokemon

[upper echo]

doesn't feel fair to even bring up fluttermane when it's a completely different type of pokemon

[lament tree]

yeah but

It's still frail to physical attacks

Like ninetales

[upper echo]

the difference is that

[lament tree]

Ninetales needs sun, Flutter needs sun

[upper echo]

it beats almost every physical mon

[upper echo]

flutter does not need sun

at all

[lament tree]

So does Flutter and ninetales

[lament tree]

Protosynthesis

[clear lichen]

Yeah Flutter does not need sun

[upper echo]

it works fine without it

[clear lichen]

Flutter just nukes everything regardless

And Ninetales does not beat every physical mon

[upper echo]

actually it does very well on every type of team

ninetales also doesn't have 135 speed

[clear lichen]

Yup

[upper echo]

combined with icy wind

for speed control against every mon

[clear lichen]

I'm not saying Flutter Mane is bad I'm saying it's frail and hence means that your statement that being frail is a death sentence isn't entirely true

[lament tree]

I'm not getting into competitive use just argue yourself

[clear lichen]

However, for the most part, it is

Flutter Mane just took 50 kilotons of weed

[upper echo]

it's frail on one side in which it beats everything on said side

[clear lichen]

Yup but it's still frail

If your frail Pokemon beats every Pokemon that can hit it hard then it isn't bad

[lament tree]

Sorry but.

[clear lichen]

What it would be is unfair

[lament tree]

?tag rule4

[opal trail]

Make sure to follow the #rules!

Rule 4 DISALLOWED CONTENT: Drugs. Any mention of any drugs, regardless of legality where you live is not acceptable.

[clear lichen]

Damn mb

[lament tree]

It's okay

I just do it so you don't get into trouble by the mods

[clear lichen]

OK hold up it uhhh

[upper echo]

it's just bulky enough on the special side to not be considered frail tbh
typing also helps too ig

[clear lichen]

It has a Gamefreak employee

Who helped buff it to be just absurd

From being just a Misdreavus

[lament tree]

When will banette get a 3rd evo

Ik it has a mega but

[clear lichen]

Ninetales is barely less specially bulky than Flutter and a lot more physically bulky (somewhat bulkier than frail is still frail though)

[lament tree]

I just love banette

[clear lichen]

When the sun implodes, unfortunately

[lament tree]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-banette-hehehe-ehehe-ghost-gif-25345247

[clear lichen]

Banette needs a 3rd evo but I'm very pessimistic on it getting one due to the Mega

[upper echo]

it's also slower ❤️

[upper echo]

hey it could be fearow

[clear lichen]

Doesn't change their bulk

[lament tree]

Yk who needs a 3rd evo

[clear lichen]

Which is the only thing to be considered when considering how frail a Pokemon is since speed is not Defence or SpD or HP

[clear lichen]

Camerupt?

[lament tree]

Drapion

[clear lichen]

Drapion's in a better position than most the mentioned mons

Like a lot better

[lament tree]

I think he might get a form or mega

Most likely a form

[clear lichen]

Drapion would probably get a form or a Mega instead yeah

I'd prefer a form

[lament tree]

Same

Omg

Wait

[upper echo]

drapion is a nuke compared to the coughing baby that is fearow

[clear lichen]

Mawile needs an evolution so bad

[lament tree]

Fire ground drapion

[clear lichen]

Sableye as well

[upper echo]

or wugtrio

[lament tree]

I'm predicting it now

[clear lichen]

BUT GUESS WHAT THEY AREN'T GETTING IT BECAUSE THEY HAVE MEGAS

[lament tree]

Hey guys

[clear lichen]

YIPPEE

[lament tree]

Guess what we should add back

Pokeblocks and the beauty stat

[upper echo]

as someone who hates trading I agree

[clear lichen]

Milotic indirect nerf frfr

Man I hate trading

Especially since I'm pretty sure it's illegal for me to even get Nintendo Online

[upper echo]

I love it when they added the link cord for 1 game

and never again

[clear lichen]

Thank god for Legends: Arceus

I got all my trade evolutions from transferring Pokemon over via HOME

[lament tree]

I feel like someone who needs a good evolution is actually ||durant||

[clear lichen]

If it wasn't for that I would never have been able to finish the Pokedex since my Nintendo Online expired

[clear lichen]

Durant doesn't need one

[upper echo]

nah it got to pop off

[clear lichen]

Heatmor does though

[upper echo]

for 1 generation

[clear lichen]

And if Heatmor gets one Durant gets one

[lament tree]

For ZA

[clear lichen]

Durant is a functional Pokemon

[lament tree]

Who do yall think getting forms

[upper echo]

every pokemon should get at least 1 generation to pop off

[clear lichen]

Can't say the same for Heatmor

[clear lichen]

Whatever the new starters are

[upper echo]

vikavolt

[clear lichen]

That's for sure

I'm betting on the Kalos starters getting Megas

Maybe Zygarde gets a new form?

[lament tree]

Want to know what I guessed

[clear lichen]

But I can't think of one that makes sense

[upper echo]

I dunno what mons are in france

[clear lichen]

I've seen a bunch of theories on it

[lament tree]

My prediction is ||delphox empoleon and serperior||

[clear lichen]

I dont think you need to censor guesses

They aren't exactly spoilers

[lament tree]

Ehh if it's right it can be seen as a spoiler

[clear lichen]

Can it?

I wouldn't think so

But also I feel like Empoleon is a bit obvious

[lament tree]

I think serperior needs a form.

[clear lichen]

I wouldn't bet on any of the existing Kalos starters

[upper echo]

💀

[lament tree]

Sure it's not that old

[upper echo]

nah

it's good

[lament tree]

No it does

[clear lichen]

Doesn't need one

[lament tree]

It does

[clear lichen]

Contrary makes it like the 3rd best Grass starter

So that's good enough

[lament tree]

no

[upper echo]

just below vena and rillaboom

[lament tree]

There's rillaboom, venusau-

[clear lichen]

Damn, it's 3rd in VGC too?

[lament tree]

..

[clear lichen]

I was thinking Meows and Rilla for Singles

[upper echo]

nah it's not even used in vgc

[lament tree]

meowscarada

So it's 5th

[clear lichen]

What we can tell from this is that Rillaboom is goated

[upper echo]

I just mean in general

[lament tree]

4th is chesnaught

[upper echo]

it's the goat of pokemon

[clear lichen]

Nah, Chesnaught is NOT better than Serperior

[upper echo]

everyone loves grassy glide

[lament tree]

It is

[upper echo]

chesnaught is not

[clear lichen]

It's probably directly behind Serperior though

[upper echo]

better then serperior

[clear lichen]

So including Venusaur's Mega, I'd say it'd be 5th

[upper echo]

I feel like tort is better then chest

[clear lichen]

And Serperior would be 4th

[upper echo]

now that shell smash exists

[clear lichen]

Is it?

I could've sworn Chesnaught was considered better

Last I checked

In Singles

[lament tree]

It is

[upper echo]

tort got shell smash now tho

that's a pretty big buff

[lament tree]

Has Leech seed, spikey sheild, drain punch, ice punch

[clear lichen]

Yeah but last I checked was after Torterra got Shell Smash

[lament tree]

hold on

Statblock chesnaught/chesnaught

[light garden]

I'm not sure what Pokémon you're asking for, did you misspell something?

[lament tree]

It's not in game

Damn

[clear lichen]

Chesnaught doesn't exist yet

I'd say that the worst Grass starter is between Sceptile and Meganium

[lament tree]

Decidueye:

[upper echo]

I think tort was used in 1 tourney in vgc
while chest was not
so it's automatically better

[clear lichen]

If you include Mega Sceptile it is certainly Meganium

[lament tree]

No sceptile is good.

[clear lichen]

Nah

[lament tree]

Sword dance Sitrus acrobatics kinda sweeps.

[upper echo]

decid is worse then scep but better then mega

both dec are bad

[clear lichen]

Decidueye is definitely better than non Mega Sceptile

[upper echo]

seed + acro

[clear lichen]

Sceptile is hot garbage

H-Decidueye is worse though

Probably

[upper echo]

so is dec tho

tbh

[clear lichen]

But that's more debatable

[lament tree]

Wait ima test yall knowledge

[clear lichen]

Dec is slightly less hot garbage than base Sceptile

Except... not quite

[lament tree]

Who was the most hated starter on release

[clear lichen]

Because I forgot about something important

[upper echo]

I dunno
Slow mixed attacker

[clear lichen]

Sceptile never got to play around with the absolutely broken move Shed Tail

Because it was banned by the time it got it

[upper echo]

sceptile at least has unburdon stuff

[lament tree]

^

[upper echo]

unburden

[clear lichen]

With Shed Tail, Sceptile is arguably the best Grass starter in Singles

[lament tree]

I know the answer

[clear lichen]

Because Shed Tail is bullshit in Singles

[upper echo]

emboar idk

I've never heard anything good about it

ever

[clear lichen]

It's probably Emboar ngl

[lament tree]

It is.

[clear lichen]

I personally like it

But man people REALLY hate Emboar

[upper echo]

not that big of a fan

it's just not that fun to use

[lament tree]

They despise him

[clear lichen]

Sceptile is a great design

It has a great ability

[lament tree]

If they were to pick between wormadam and emboar they'd pick wormadam

[clear lichen]

And yet it manages to still be terrible

[weak trellis]

mostly because emboar came out right after infernape with a very similar stat spread and didn't realize that infernape primarily worked because of its speed

[upper echo]

I mean one is a bug steel type

[lament tree]

One does have quiver dance.

[clear lichen]

Part of it is how so the starters that were worse got bigger buffs

And how the newer starters are released in a more playable state

Shed Tail Sceptile is probably broken though

[upper echo]

they overtuned some newer starters

[clear lichen]

But like I said, Shed Tail is banned for good reason in Singles

[lament tree]

Hey guys

[upper echo]

like do they really need base 80 boosting moves

[lament tree]

Who is the best pokemon again

[clear lichen]

Even then Sceptile is the worst Shed Tail user

Always the worst at something

So unfortunate

[upper echo]

fluttermane
it haunts me even in my sleep

[clear lichen]

Slow Shed Tail and Shed Tail with Regenerator

[clear lichen]

Competitively? Caly-S in Singles for sure

Why

[lament tree]

Yall wrong.

[clear lichen]

Just

[upper echo]

caly -s in doubles too

[clear lichen]

Why

[lament tree]

Like very wrong.

It's Incine-

[clear lichen]

Incineroar is only good in VGC

It's kinda trash in singles

[upper echo]

it's wrong to only call it good

put some respect on it's name

[lament tree]

But it's the best designed

[clear lichen]

The best Pokemon for me in battle would need to dominate both formats

[upper echo]

it gets better every gen

[lament tree]

Good moves

Ability

[clear lichen]

Yeah I guess it does dominate VGC

[upper echo]

(why do they keep buffing it)

[lament tree]

Typing

Stats

[upper echo]

50% 💀

people thought it fell off early in sv

[clear lichen]

But it simply sucks in Singles

[upper echo]

then someone won

with it

back to the 50s

[clear lichen]

Pokemon with similar levels of dominance in Singles perform better in VGC than Incineroar in Singles

Usually

[upper echo]

I dunno if any singles mon had a hall of fame run like it

maybe arceus?

but that isn't really fair since it's like at least 5 mons in 1

[clear lichen]

Getting banned from the highest power metagame in like 1 week has to count

[upper echo]

consistency tho

[clear lichen]

If not, then Yveltal, Eternatus and Necrozma Dusk Mane all having 90% usage

[upper echo]

it's not just about being broken
it's about being broken for a long time

consistently

[clear lichen]

All of them are also consistently top tier in Ubers

[upper echo]

honestly I'd put it on arceus
since it's been top tier in every ubers

since gen 4

[clear lichen]

But obviously 90% usage is only in Gen 8

A good number of Ubers have been top tier since introduction

Kyogre as well

Yveltal and Xerneas, both

NDM

All of these are legendaries tbf

Oh, and Eternatus

And Zacian

And Calyrex-Shadow

But those 3 are very recent

[upper echo]

maybe kyogre is the best mon of all time

[clear lichen]

Perhaps it is

[upper echo]

both in singles and doubles

[clear lichen]

Groudon fell off hard in Gen 9 man

It's so sad

Otherwise maybe it could've taken the title over Kyogre

[upper echo]

nah

[clear lichen]

Pdon was a lot more dominating than Pogre

[upper echo]

they've always been equal

even in primal

[clear lichen]

But tbf Kyogre is more dominating than Groudon usually

[upper echo]

it wasn't really domination

it felt pretty even

[clear lichen]

Primal Groudon is considered the undisputed best Uber mon in every format it's in

It may be a bit uneven

[upper echo]

how far behind is kyo tho

[clear lichen]

Not too far let me check

[upper echo]

in 2 gens it was better while kyo was better in every other gen

[clear lichen]

Yup

So it probably just is Kyogre actually

Pogre actually lacks behind a lot in Gen 6 apparently

Ranked lower than Latios since Soul Dew isn't nerfed yet

Man why'd they have to nerf it

It was banned everywhere anyways

Except Ubers

[upper echo]

[clear lichen]

And AG

Sometimes I wonder if pre Gen 7 Soul Dew Latios would even be broken in Gen 9

Because Kingambit exists

Pogre shortens the gap between it and Pdon a decent amount in Gen 7

[upper echo]

soul dew latios when caly-s and flutter pull up to the function

[clear lichen]

I'm referring to Singles OU for a reason

Bro is not lasting a singular microsecond in VGC or Ubers

[upper echo]

😭 bad incin matchup

[clear lichen]

And I somehow find myself doubting in a previously top 4 Uber's chances of being even OU

Even though I am immensely biased towards it

Latios used to be considered as good as Kyogre and Groudon alongside Latias

I wish that was still the case (I'm immensely fucking biased)

[cosmic marsh]

can I download this game on ios mobile?

[upper echo]

it'd probably be fine until gen 8

drag exists in gen 8

[clear lichen]

Dragapult is a bit specially weak

[upper echo]

true

[clear lichen]

And despite having a great physical Dragon STAB it barely goes physical

[upper echo]

it'd just die in gen 9 tho

[clear lichen]

Because bro has non existent physical Ghost STAB

[upper echo]

they are too scared to give it the sauce

it starts with a p

[clear lichen]

Ends with a t

Honestly it may just become broken

[upper echo]

would soul dew latios be uu

or nu

[clear lichen]

If Latios is UU

Pre nerf Soul Dew won't bring it lower

It can only go higher

[upper echo]

it's not making it to ou

😭

[clear lichen]

It'd be AT WORST UUBL

But man Kingambit really sows my head with doubts

You know another fast Psychic type who's rather great other than the Kingambit MU?

Iron Boulder

Guess where it ended up?

[upper echo]

darkrai iron val

king gambit

meowscarada

[clear lichen]

Latios tanks Darkrai and Iron Val easily

It doesn't want to but hey it can

Soul Dew was a free Calm Mind

[upper echo]

roaring moon

[clear lichen]

And that's a bit strong

Roaring Moon kinda shits on Latios though

[upper echo]

weavile

too many bad matchups

[clear lichen]

Simply Tera Fighting fr

I've had Latios tank Iron Val Moonblast before

Surely it can do it again

[upper echo]

it might be able to stay in ou

[clear lichen]

Wait Serperior's another fast special attacker who relies on Tera

[upper echo]

but that's a soft might

[clear lichen]

Oh no this is all playing out exactly how I feared

[upper echo]

serperior is espathra's lil bro

[clear lichen]

Espathra does have Dgleam

So it's not the most reliant on Tera thing in the world

It's gonna Sub on the Sucker Punch and fail to OHKO Gambit at +2 with Dgleam but still

Ykw simply run Scarf

They'll never see it coming

(They will)

Man we got far off track lmfao

You know Gen 9 speedcreep is terrible when Latios is too slow

Like what the hell

It's not slow

But it isn't fast enough anymore

Anyways gonna stop coping about Latios falling off now

Have fun talking about whatever Pokemon you want to add my phone's low on battery

(I probably would continue coping otherwise)

[brisk vessel]

Purugly is faster than Latios

[clear lichen]

Its also far weaker

[brisk vessel]

Yeah but it's faster

[clear lichen]

At the very least I can still confidently say that Latios is better than Purugly

They're both too slow anyways

God damn I am chronically online

Shit

[dusty arrow]

hello chat

[dull adder]

https://tenor.com/view/simisear-saturday-simisear-gif-23454367

PLEASE

[pale flame]

We should allow me to ban one user per year. Specifically for people who want the monkeys in.

[humble aspen]

oh, that was my first ever shiny

[pale flame]

I hate to break this to you, but that's not a shiny.

[humble aspen]

i mean the pokemon

[pale flame]

[humble aspen]

[dull adder]

ILL DIE FIGHTING

[pale flame]

Correct, you will die.

[dull adder]

I want my boy simipour and only my boy simipour

With enough time he will make it in

[pale flame]

We're gonna add all of gens 8 & 9 and STILL ignore the monkeys because they are genuinely useless.

[humble aspen]

but monkeys...

[hexed agate]

the monkeys are endorsed by Frog

[pale flame]

Oh please, we all know Frog is a shared hallucination.

[dull adder]

but they are silly little guys

[hexed agate]

and the popular psyche wants the chimps

[lone rampart]

reminder to vote araquanid cuz he's basedsauce

also this one

[inland jewel]

yo unburrden bellydrum my beloved

plus dessert fusions

[hot hamlet]

Jelly fusions

All for more food mons. I want to do another food run with different sprites

[proud lion]

#1273106099897110548

[hot hamlet]

Just reminds me of the lamprey from Camp Lazlo

[civic harness]

[proud lion]

Amen. We need the monki squad as the real starters

[civic harness]

Why the monkeys just become popular?

[proud lion]

They are da Monkis. That’s why.

Better choice than Luvdisc

[civic harness]

Oh well

[proud lion]

3 Types, decent stats, Simipour Scald, evolves, monki

[civic harness]

The Luvdisc guy is not going to be happy

[brisk vessel]

Alomomola solos

[civic harness]

Anyways, Im ready to have propaganda

Or not

[hot hamlet]

Monkeys in because frog dislikes having to add 6 mons

[grave jolt]

god I wish most of the new pokemon were banished to ubers where they belong

[clear lichen]

A good number of them already have been

There are still a few ones people find problematic but speed creep is here to stay

[civic harness]

What pokemon?

[clear lichen]

Name a Pokemon in Gen 9 you think is strong (excluding legendaries)

I'll tell you if it's broken or not

We'll see how long it takes

[civic harness]

There is no gen 9 pokemon in the votes

[grave jolt]

They need a tier above OU again

[clear lichen]

True

[clear lichen]

Ubers technically

[hot hamlet]

They’re discussing meta, not voting anymore

[clear lichen]

That theoretical tier above OU would be as broken

[pale flame]

Saying they have decent stats is a lie

[hot hamlet]

Votes were so last week

[pale flame]

They also need a stone to evolve

[civic harness]

And why they dont talk in the showdown channel?

[coarse karma]

I'm so glad to see that Swirlix/Slurrpuff is gonna be apart of the randomized exclusive 2nd vote.

[hot hamlet]

Because this channel is more easily accessible by everyone

[clear lichen]

You asked which new Pokemon

[civic harness]

Well

[clear lichen]

Gen 9 Pokemon are the newest Pokemon

[grave jolt]

Simipour

[pale flame]

Me when I lie

[clear lichen]

Also I get the feeling that the showdown general is entirely for Pokeathalon

[clear lichen]

No I'm 90% sure that's legit

[pale flame]

(THEY'RE SO GOOD GUYS)

(TRUST ME)

[grave jolt]

simisage

[clear lichen]

They aren't lol

[pale flame]

Like, they're all the exact same, just a different typing lol

[clear lichen]

But hey they aren't too terrible

[pale flame]

I know, they're ZU material at best 🔥

[grave jolt]

Simisear

[coarse karma]

no that's Josuke.

[clear lichen]

There's a lot worse Pokemon

[pale flame]

Like Luvdisc

[grave jolt]

THEY HAVE IDENTICAL STATS

[pale flame]

Yup

But hey, if it were up to me we'd get the last two Regis

[coarse karma]

https://tenor.com/view/jojo-jjba-jo-jos-bizarre-adventure-drink-milk-gif-15095434

[pale flame]

I just think they're neat

[grave jolt]

Gen 8

[pale flame]

I know

[grave jolt]

is sad

[pale flame]

That's why I said "if it were up to me"

[clear lichen]

Idk if Politoed just falling to ZU instantly after Pelipper got Drizzle is funny or sad to me

(Gen 7)

[pale flame]

It's hilarious

[clear lichen]

Ah right I remember Wailord's ZU smogon review

Talking about how Pyukumuku outclasses it

[pale flame]

Regidrago being PU is wild tbh

[coarse karma]

there's a reason why we can't get everything. Would you really choose 2 regis over the rest of the starters? Or the other missing legendries if you had the decision? 🤔

[pale flame]

Yeah, I would.

Because I like the Regis way too much.

[grave jolt]

Peliper going from ZU to OU the moment it got Drizzle is insane

[clear lichen]

That's what having middling bulk, middling speed and middling offences does to a mf I guess

[pale flame]

And I honestly don't much care for a lot of the starters

Hot take, a lot of them feel very same-y or generic

[clear lichen]

200 HP means a lot less when you have 50 defences

Ah well

[grave jolt]

😦

[clear lichen]

It would be unbelievably broken in fusions though

Since the speed is salvageable

[coarse karma]

true that :)

[clear lichen]

And it has Dragon Energy and Dragon's Maw

[pale flame]

WRONG! CHOICE SPECS TERA DRAGON DRAGON ENERGY IN TRICK ROOM WITH A +SPA -SPE NATURE

[grave jolt]

Imagine Regidrago/Blissey

[pale flame]

Would not improve it much

[civic harness]

Epic

[coarse karma]

dragon's maw wouldn't be able to be added cause no gen 8 abilities, the engine uses a pre gen 8 plugin for pokemon essentials I believe.

[pale flame]

Regidrago Shuckle is I think a more optimal usage

[clear lichen]

Yeah but Regidrago itself wouldn't be able to be added

[pale flame]

We're actively talking about hypotheticals, just having fun.

[clear lichen]

This is purely hypotheticals

[coarse karma]

I know, if you scroll up we're talking hypothetical.

[coarse karma]

yes.

[pale flame]

Then why'd you bring that up lol

Anyways I gtg

Gonna read for a while.

[clear lichen]

Hypothetically speaking, how would you react to Calyrex-Shadow being added?

Hypothetically of course

[grave jolt]

The issue that you brought up is caused by the same thing as us not being able to have Regidraco. If we get the Regi, we prob get ability

[pale flame]

Well, off to ha-

[grave jolt]

hatred

[clear lichen]

I would hypothetically throw a hypothetical computer out of a hypothetical window

[coarse karma]

Cause I thought we were talking about if we had the option to add a gen 8 mon. The reason we cant is cause of the abilities and learnsets themself actually, that is what's preventing them from being added. I assumed the hypothetical would be if we chose to add them without the abilities.

[grave jolt]

Adorable

[pale flame]

Give Regidrago regenerator

Trust me

[coarse karma]

I'm just gonna lurk cause i'm so confused. then again i've been up for 3 days on 5 hour sleep.

[coarse karma]

ooh yes

[clear lichen]

Hypothetically if Calyrex Shadow would be hypothetically added I would hypothetically fuse it with a hypothetical Fairy type for a hypothetical Ghost/Fairy type Caly-S

[pale flame]

Me when I'm Flutter Mane

[clear lichen]

Which would lead to me hypothetically taking a break from Infinite Fusion

[clear lichen]

Flutter Mane except better in every conceivable way

[coarse karma]

ugh, i'd die for a Paradox to be added. One of my 5 favorite paradoxes next to Iron Valiant and Slither Wing.

[clear lichen]

And Flutter Mane is already one of the best Pokemon to ever exist in terms of battle

I hate it for that

Otherwise it's a rather B tier mon for me

But I drop it to C tier because of how unreasonably broken it is

[coarse karma]

I just love their designs

[pale flame]

Feel that. Grimmsnarl is a C tier design but it goes straight to F tier if we're battling

[clear lichen]

Hypothetically if they were to add Flutter Mane and no other Paradox I'd hypothetically write up a hypothetical complaint

[civic harness]

Run

[coarse karma]

Iron Valiant probably my number one pick of the paradoxes.

[clear lichen]

I feel like speaking stupidly today if you couldnt tell

My favourite Paradox is either Iron Valiant or Iron Moth

I'm very moth biased

Slither Wing is very close behind Iron Moth

Because of that moth bias

Volcarona still better though

[civic harness]

Epic

[hot hamlet]

Snom: exists

[clear lichen]

I have a Paradox Pokemon ranking that I'm too lazy to look for

[clear lichen]

Frosmoth better

[hot hamlet]

But ice bean

Snom, Pyukumuku, and Joltik

My beans

[civic harness]

Awesome work with the back

[clear lichen]

It is bean, yes, but god damn people telling me that Frosmoth is mid because Snom is its prevo piss me off

[coarse karma]

Yeah the spriter did a great job

[clear lichen]

Also bro really put Joltik as the electric bean instead of Pincurchin

Joltik is spider

[hot hamlet]

I never said that. I like the full line. Was on my Sword team (pre-save wipe )

[clear lichen]

Is not bean

Pincurchin is bean

[hot hamlet]

Pincurchin was the one I forgot

[clear lichen]

Spiky bean though

[hot hamlet]

I just remembered smol and electric and thought Joltik

[civic harness]

What other pokemon want for the IF?

[clear lichen]

Joltik is imo the cutest Pokemon you cannot change my mind

I will die on this hill

[civic harness]

At least you dont say Spheal

[hot hamlet]

Tik, Falinks, Noibat in that order

[civic harness]

[coarse karma]

A quagsire fan made a whole spheal line for wooper

[civic harness]

The two down to the right are very well made

[coarse karma]

I love Hero's Camerupt fusions.

[clear lichen]

These just made me 10 times sadder

Because Camerupt has 460 BST and poor distribution

[civic harness]

This are Heroic sprites

[coarse karma]

yeah it's such a shame

[clear lichen]

Hippowdon/Camerupt is funny when you remember that cannot get Drought

And instead gets Sand Stream

It's like Gigalith absorbing solar energy for its attacks canonically but setting up Sandstorm with Sand Stream

[coarse karma]

what's sadder is someone who made this neat looking slurpuff fusion left the server

[clear lichen]

Unfortunate

[coarse karma]

I like this one

creative.

[clear lichen]

Let them cook

[coarse karma]

oh I didnt post the final version

[clear lichen]

Would this be Fire/Ice or Ground/Ice

[coarse karma]

hmm let me think.

[clear lichen]

I do not know what order Camerupt's types are in

[viscid fossil]

ice/ground

[clear lichen]

It should be secondary type

[coarse karma]

Ice ground

[clear lichen]

God damn it

Mamoswine

[coarse karma]

I didnt go to cheat off the daena fusion site, not me.

[clear lichen]

Camerupt cannot catch a break in terms of viability holy shit

Like this is so cool but then it's a Camerupt so it isn't good in battle

Honestly I probably would still use it if I'm confident in my team

[coarse karma]

honestly on the very off chance ice cream cones won they could post this as a vanilluxe/Mamoswine instead of camerupt, wouldn't make as much sense for the hot coco but would be a way to sneak the fusion in.

[clear lichen]

And/or feeling confident in myself

But I hate myself

So that's not happening

[viscid fossil]

It could 100% pass as a torterra

[coarse karma]

this too!

[viscid fossil]

we've already put so many weird things on its back

why not hot chocolate

[clear lichen]

Honestly I doubt it could it's pretty obviously a Camerupt

[civic harness]

Whats wrong?

[clear lichen]

Low self esteem probably

[coarse karma]

I mean. Have you seen the single fuecoco we have in the game.

charmander/buneary

[clear lichen]

Oh

Well go ahead

[viscid fossil]

there's even the blue line which matches where the vegetation starts on torterra

[coarse karma]

sprite managers said they'd allow them as alts though if you ask me they really stand out lol.

[hot hamlet]

I love it

[clear lichen]

I like how there's food fusions and stuff but then Vanilluxe is canonically just an Icicle that looks like ice cream

But honestly fuck it continue making those fusions anyways

It's funnier

[coarse karma]

I actually have a spheal pichu that I posted last month that should be in the game in september.

It's pichu fused with a different mon of course.

[clear lichen]

What are your favourite cameos of Pokemon that aren't in Infinite Fusion?

[coarse karma]

people were doing this for bruxish using feebas before bruxish got added in.

[civic harness]

I remember one Machoke fusion ALT that is about Spheal

[clear lichen]

Mine is probably this for extremely stupid reasons

[civic harness]

Seel/Machoke maybe

[viscid fossil]

wait
is that entire thing the sprite what

[clear lichen]

According to the daena site

Yup

There's actually 7 unadded Pokemon here

The extra sprites don't look like them but the inspiration shows that they're Pelipper, Barraskewda, Thundurus-T, Melmetal, Dragapult, Blacephalon and Lando-T

(Obviously these can't be shown perfectly because of the limitations)

[coarse karma]

the spriter who goes by Totodile. did a whole lot of non-if buneary that are in the game. there's a lot more than just these but I dont want to spam.

[clear lichen]

My brain is dysfunctional and named the wrong non Landorus genie

[civic harness]

The Pachirisu just disappear

[coarse karma]

I removed one to make the post look nicer, they can all be viewed here https://www.fusiondex.org/artists/totodile./ if you use "find on page" and type in buneary.

[civic harness]

Oh well

So what now?

[clear lichen]

As you can see

[civic harness]

I love when they do that type of things

[clear lichen]

The Agency is up 5-1 This is an actual sprite for Porygon-Z/Toxapex

It's so stupidly wonderful

There's only one nitpick I have with it, it shows Salamence, Pelipper, Clefable and Melmetal as alive

At that point in the battle, they're all dead

(You can tell by the colour in the sprites)

[molten latch]

Spherical

[clear lichen]

I'm not addicted

[civic harness]

Wanna a cake?

[molten latch]

Maybe

I'm quite convinced

I like it

[coarse karma]

Actually, yeah. Wish it was day time so I could buy one or even a solo slice lol.

[civic harness]

[coarse karma]

A miltank fusion that looks normal for a change.

[coarse karma]

crabs

https://tenor.com/view/crab-dance-dancing-gif-13312067

[civic harness]

And what do you think?

[feral bear]

Anyways

[coarse karma]

I've always wanted to try a crab cake.

[civic harness]

You know the number

[hot hamlet]

Okay. Candy corn is a strong pull as I like my Halloween rep

[coarse karma]

yeah same

[hot hamlet]

Can you resubmit votes?

I may need to change one

Good

[coarse karma]

yes when you go to the vote area it should allow you to readjust your vote.

I actually changed some of my votes yesterday

[hot hamlet]

I’ll take care of that as soon as I get home. Phone hates Google docs

Actually phone hates all things Google😅

[coarse karma]

I honestly forgot I made this last winter.

[civic harness]

Mope

[inland geyser]

eepalant

[coarse karma]

yuppers

[molten latch]

So cute

I love it

[coarse karma]

this is adorable

[civic harness]

You forgot the cake

[molten latch]

Have you ever know that Vaporpuff is the cake

It taste like mineral water

[civic harness]

Im not talkin about that

[molten latch]

Idk

Still

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-fairy-type-animations-animated-cartoon-gif-10592379

[civic harness]

Look up on the chat

[coarse karma]

crab cake

[civic harness]

The best for your family

[hot hamlet]

Yes to prevo, evo could be difficult

[coarse karma]

https://tenor.com/view/latkes-hanukkah-gif-13006226

[coarse karma]

no love for corphish /j

poor lobster crayfish😔

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokemon-refresh-crabominable-gif-25043982

https://tenor.com/view/nice-to-meet-you-hello-friend-corphish-golduck-gif-27327508

[hot hamlet]

I saw a Crawdant sprite but forget the fusion. One of those “fuse two mons to make a non-if mon”

[civic harness]

Why not?

[molten latch]

https://tenor.com/view/jontron-what-excuse-me-confused-gif-15932709

[gray vine]

good boy

[hot hamlet]

Because Crabominable is almost universally disliked over Crabrawler?

[gray vine]

gooder boy

[civic harness]

Im here to change that

[gray vine]

i prefer Crabominable way more

Crabrawler is meh

[civic harness]

Awesome

[molten latch]

NGL Silverr's PFP looks like Nemona is doing something SUS on a website with a funny numbers in it.

https://tenor.com/view/far-cry6-laugh-gif-23737499

[molten latch]

Floatzel mt beloved

[hot hamlet]

Looks more like those Instagram/Tik Toc users that try to bait people for clicks using “suggestive” vids that don’t break TOS

[molten latch]

Indeed

[coarse karma]

this just made me laugh

[molten latch]

AUUUUUUUUGH!!!

[coarse karma]

The golbat mouth

[civic harness]

"YOU LITTLE AAAAAAAAAAAAA"
Special attack

[wooden walrus]

SKITTY

[civic harness]

Hello there

[hushed mantle]

LETS GOOO SLURPUFF IS IN THE #announcements ANNOUNCEMENT

[hot hamlet]

Which means there’s a 1/13 chance it gets in if it fails this bigger vote

Way better than 1/200

[coarse karma]

feels like we shiny hunting here /j

[hot hamlet]

What shiny you want in that case?

#1 pick

[hot hamlet]

If Slurpuff gets in I propose we convince Frog to use a hue shift to make the shiny Chocolate

Same for Vanilite

[clear lichen]

Is that not already what it is

Partially at least

[hot hamlet]

Shinies in this are total color shifts, so you get full body neon green Pidgey instead of actual shiny

[clear lichen]

That's a bit sad I like Slurpuff's current shiny

[hot hamlet]

Hence my proposal

[simple gulch]

why he dyin

[simple gulch]

now thinking bout it, where is mushana

[simple gulch]

who made it?

[coarse karma]

woke up to hearing a discord ping

[humble lance]

im pretty sure theres currently testing being done for custom hue shifts for pokemon

[coarse karma]

took me a min to get back to my laptop

[humble lance]

let me see if i can find the channel

[woven maple]

Newest piece of propaganda

(Vote Torkoal)

[coarse karma]

ribbononline did. #1226239406541902007 message

[hot hamlet]

Oh. They were just here two days ago. Guess they left. Heard drama involved

[coarse karma]

they don't have an immunity as far as I can see in the search history so if slurpuff wins it'll more than likely get posted to the gallery

[humble lance]

yeah she was upset people were talking about her behind her back
i think shes taking a break rn

[hot hamlet]

Dang

[coarse karma]

ooh. 😟

[hot hamlet]

And I just had some good convo right before she left

[humble lance]

#1271564753424224300 heres the thread

for custom shiny hues i mean

[strong gorge]

Hello Everyone

[humble lance]

hello

[strong gorge]

what do you think of this

[hot hamlet]

Neat

[coarse karma]

interesting. tysm 4 sharing

[strong gorge]

is this good?

[coarse karma]

#1178384767662706838 message

talking about the shiny reminded me of this thread. where someone tweaked/fixed the shiny's color.

[humble lance]

[hot hamlet]

Yeah but shiny alts are getting. Targeted in the upcoming sprite purge

[coarse karma]

I know :(

[humble lance]

still can be used in small parts on main sprites

[coarse karma]

which is sad. cause I really wanted to post my chocolate duck over my strawberry one if I ever remade them.

[humble lance]

ya gotta make chocolatey desserts

[hot hamlet]

I do like the chocolate more but that may be tongue bias. (I hate strawberries

[humble lance]

but yeah u just gotta find a way to incorporate the shiny part into the design somehow

[coarse karma]

yeah 😔

least that one looks super cool! :D

DNA mew ^^

[humble lance]

dna mew!

[coarse karma]

well if slurpuff ever gets in i'll still post my chocolate shiny alt to that one team shiny project thingy.

[humble lance]

i will save it to my folder then

[hot hamlet]

I need as many new food mons in as possible so I can do another Food Run

[coarse karma]

go ahead. :) if I ever tweak it a little next year or something i'll be sure to let you know.

[humble lance]

[hot hamlet]

I was lacking in desserts last time

[coarse karma]

I still love this one Sadfrog made.

[humble lance]

its so good

[hot hamlet]

Pupcake

Ursaring. Better make Bear Claws

[white meadow]

Nummy puppee

[hot hamlet]

Okay, but of a weird pull but a cupcake with Rockruff decorations (like strawberry halves for ears, red sprinkles shaped like mouth/tongue, etc) would make an EXCELLENT middle form between pupper and cake

[coarse karma]

The streamer I was watching just finished their 6 hour stream of a game so i'm heading off, gn all. Can't wait to see what potential new pokemon's are the topics of tomorrow

[hot hamlet]

Night!

[tawny inlet]

Plusle and Minun should make Infinun

[hot hamlet]

Plus and minus would make Zeronun

[tawny inlet]

Multiplcationun and divisinun.

Let’s just make ‘em all then if you quad fuse, infinun.

[hot hamlet]

Quadratun

[velvet root]

Greetings

[hot hamlet]

Thoughts?#pif-hoenn-discussion message

[velvet root]

Approved

Its a cute idea

@bronze barn that could be a idea for you

[hot hamlet]

Though I think the chocolate shiny version of Slurpuff would work better than strawberry for rock puppy

But as I stated way above, I have a bias for chocolate over strawberry

[velvet root]

True
But we dont know how open they are to say "slurpuff is sweet backery in general"

[hot hamlet]

Yeah. I also said fused to Ursaring should make bear claws which is a pastry

[velvet root]

Sounds fun

Wait I have something safed what Scolipede should be

[hot hamlet]

A centipede mixed with a pastry?

I guess gummy worm is a bit generic

[velvet root]

I forgot the name of that thing
That long soft stick with choclate on the top filled with cream

[hot hamlet]

The… the what?

[velvet root]

Eclairs

[simple gulch]

wha

[hot hamlet]

Oh an Eclair!

PHONE!

[simple gulch]

dam
those people

[velvet root]

What people

What did i miss

[simple gulch]

i missed it too

[hot hamlet]

Something happened, drama ensued, and Ribbon is taking a break from the server

That’s all I got

[velvet root]

Hm okay
I heard that Ribbon was pretty rude to someone a few weeks ago
But idk if that is what happend

[hot hamlet]

I’m not getting involved. Just gonna sit here and brainstorm more pastry fusions

Would Solosis be a Jelly Donut, or a rice ball?

[simple gulch]

shuckle

[velvet root]

Idk

[simple gulch]

impossible

[velvet root]

Random but Gogoat would have a Croissant as horns

[hot hamlet]

Yummy

[simple gulch]

whats the pre evo name?

[hot hamlet]

Skiddo

[velvet root]

Skiddo

[simple gulch]

solosis is jellied veggie

[velvet root]

Wow my message doesnt want to send

[hot hamlet]

I was thinking fused to Slurpuff for the pastry

[simple gulch]

skiddo horn look more like a croissant

[molten latch]

Did somebody said Eclair?

[hot hamlet]

Litwick would be wax display cakes

[velvet root]

Both can have croissants

[molten latch]

Slurpuff Skiddo

[simple gulch]

pink jelly then

[hot hamlet]

That would also require both mons in

[hot hamlet]

Or since this is Pokémon, would it be…

https://tenor.com/view/brock-pokemon-jelly-donut-krispy-kreme-gif-23343130

[simple gulch]

pink rice ball?

[humble lance]

all i will say is that ribbon is a very pleasant person and if someone is saying that she was rude well then they probably pushed her too much

[hot hamlet]

I get to go home early. Bye for now!

[humble lance]

[brisk vessel]

Whar

What did I miss

[humble lance]

something happened
ribbons taking a break
thats the gist

[velvet root]

I said that too
It doesnt sound like her being rude

[simple gulch]

trap him

[brisk vessel]

Where did this happen

[humble lance]

mostly in dms

[brisk vessel]

dm me the full story I'm still confused

[molten latch]

Oh you wouldn't

[humble lance]

not much to say and i dont wanna say much cuz its up to ribbon if she wants to disclose it

[molten latch]

Its a long story short

Yeah

[simple gulch]

:v some time just let it go

[brisk vessel]

Mmk

[molten latch]

Same, you can DM about it.

[simple gulch]

only 1 questions is how to u know about it when its only in Dm

[humble lance]

ribbon is a friend of mine so she shared with me

[simple gulch]

yummy