pif-hoenn-discussion

[slim otter]

Just checking before I hit submit

[thorny ferry]

I'll try to remember

[scenic karma]

also i'm biased because i am a sucker for celestial/cosmic themes and aesthetics

[bitter comet]

Thx!

[silent acorn]

You can don't worry bout it

[inland jewel]

i mean, it just knocks their x4 to x2, so still super effective

Now if we could got Heatran though with Flash fire Steel type

[grave jolt]

Fun

[past jackal]

Heatran wasn’t in this list was it?

[weak trellis]

if I could chose any one mon it'd probably be crabdominable since both fighting and ice are rare and hehe funny caveman crab with the pop-tart color scheme

[silent acorn]

Oh right we can't pick mythicals anymore forgot about it.

[weak trellis]

malamar is also good though for another contrary user, as is minor for the ability

[hot hamlet]

No legends or myths

[past jackal]

Also PACHIRISU
Gimme them squirrels 🐿 🐿🐿

[shut lantern]

These are cool themes!
(which made me think of fusions between pokemon and Kirby, but that's something else)

[past jackal]

Imagine how many squirrels we could have

[inland jewel]

People are voting for Functionality, Sprite Potential, or cool move combinatons. but sadly the overal vote is gonna be "This is my favorite mon"

[grave jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/pachirisu-happy-dance-hyper-gif-25491309

[weak trellis]

pachirisu I think I gave a two for? it has the color scheme and possible greedent alts going for it

[thorny ferry]

Around 1 I think

[weak trellis]

better than the other pikaclones got from me which was one (dedenne) and 0 (emolga)

[molten latch]

https://tenor.com/view/spheal-he-agree-nodding-pokemon-legends-arceus-gif-24844405

[scenic karma]

imagine the joke sprite potential with spheal

[thorny ferry]

Nah emolga is the best pikaclone for this game imo

[silent acorn]

What's your fave? And I'll tell you why it's good

[noble spade]

We need more water and ice type Pokémon

[inland jewel]

Purugly lmao

[weak trellis]

araquanid was another good choice. both types are common (ish for bug) but the ability and design are both neat

[molten latch]

Vote Spheal

[shut lantern]

Imagine Purugly + Arceus

[hazy fable]

I also voted Toucanon line bcoz Looker

[silent acorn]

It is a weird ugly cat, has relatively nice speed, stab fury claws (I used it, it's good)

[weak trellis]

imagine blissey/puru- oh wait

[scenic karma]

spheal/snorlax. turn the round boi into a very big and chubby round boi

[grave jolt]

Emolga only gets like one flying type move, it can be done better with as a fusion of Pachi and a flyingtype

[hot hamlet]

Okay so since I’m still waiting to vote due to reasons, Currently looking at:
Vanilite
Salazle (for laughs)
Pancham
Stunky
Dewpider

[weak trellis]

(I still wanna use either chansey/persian or blissey/glameow in a run but it keeps getting passed up by my randoooo)

[silent acorn]

Stunky is sorta nice, but honestly could be better. Drapion surpasses in my opinion

[hexed agate]

0
0
1
0
3

you're welcome

[weak trellis]

ok real talk: I could see salandit specifically doing some neat sneaky bandit fusions

[empty elbow]

Are we missing a pseudo legendary?

[inland jewel]

we are. his name is kommo-o and i got propoganda with him

[hexed agate]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-gif-10730821

[grave jolt]

0
2
1
0
0

[empty elbow]

Yes the gen 8 dragon right?

[inland jewel]

Let this man in

[shut lantern]

7

[thorny ferry]

I personally don't fully see the pancham design potential like
It's just a panda? I could def be missing something here but idk

[silent acorn]

Nope gen 7

[hot hamlet]

Drampa?

[slim otter]

No time for a sprite tonight, so you get this
Gastrodon is proud of you

[empty elbow]

Make this thing win, its fusions will be so dope

[bitter comet]

Man, I wish we could get a general synopsis of who is winning the vote rn

[inland jewel]

the thing going against him is that his Signature move is Gen 8, and his sprite is LARGE

[hexed agate]

this looks like that little girl in front of the burning house

[silent acorn]

3, 3, 3, 1 and 2

[weak trellis]

kommo-o is Yet Another Dragon but it's also a fighter and is neat for designs

[lunar aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-gastrodon-pokemon-amie-gif-27484311

[grave jolt]

This channel won't effect 90% of voters

[finite thistle]

So many mons that I want in this game. Most of them from gen 7. I think Golisopod is still at the top of the list from last time. A lot of the others are legendaries

[scenic karma]

still sad that alcremie will probably never make it in because tbh the one pokemon fusion i've always wanted to see art for is alcremie/cosmog, and even then it might be a while for cosmog to make it in too

[bitter comet]

I know I just want to see it so I can stare at it constantly

[silent acorn]

It does for reconsideration and editing

[inland jewel]

Things going for Kommo-o: Finally adds a fighting type to the game, cool armor for mons to use

[weak trellis]

for reference the 5 most common types are... water (37), flying (34), psychic (29), normal (28), and rock (23)

...unless I miscounted rock because uh my rando might be missing two then uh-oh

[thorny ferry]

I'd do anything for that sweet 10% to change their minds on sigilyph

[scenic karma]

i want to witness an astral baby sentient cake

[placid pelican]

dragalge is not yet another dragon guys

[inland jewel]

Remember guys, the one thing we learned about the community polls is that People Fricking Love Dragons

[weak trellis]

sigilph I just glat a flat 3 and immediatley moved on ROFL

[bitter comet]

I want to stare at the numbers going up and down

[placid pelican]

We need poison guys

[empty elbow]

Imagine a kommoo fusion, like bro gets the armor from others, like a cool tyrannitar armor

[inland jewel]

We need more fighting types: So I offer Toxicroak as a compromise

[weak trellis]

posion and dragon are amusingly enough only one mon apart (19 on poison, 20 on dragon) and both are roughly in the middle of the pack

[slim otter]

I'll remember that when I make Gastrodon fusions

[finite thistle]

I'd take Salazzle. Corrosion would be real fun to throw around

[shut lantern]

Ditto + Kommo-o tho

[bitter comet]

The edgy lad ❤️

[silent acorn]

True that, although I know for a fact Kommo isn't the most loved one
Its underrated, but it's definetely the odd one amongst its peers

[weak trellis]

oooh yea that's another point for salazzle yea, getting to actually use corrosion kinda like toxapex with merceless

[hexed agate]

[noble spade]

How about zygarde

[placid pelican]

We have only one adaptability user and it has the name of a mod, my suggestion: getting another one with the name of a mod

[past jackal]

Vote Kommo-o, they resemble pangolins!

[scenic karma]

tbh i gave either a 2 or a 3 to most of the mons on the form out of my disappointment over not having my favorite sentient cupcake ever getting a chance to appear in this game

[weak trellis]

actually that just gave me a run idea for using signature abilities like that

[inland jewel]

from what I heard. Kommo-o was in the top 20 lines voted last august, but the mods cut him due to having to many dragon types

[finite thistle]

I wish, no legends this time around

[weak trellis]

do you doubt the power-packed power of Eevee Trump Card smacked*

[past jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/pangolin-animals-funny-malayanpangolin-gif-17911863

[silent acorn]

But then again you had crustle, minior and others high up, even... Ugh... Banana dino

[placid pelican]

We dont cut anything fam

[placid pelican]

Kek

[scenic karma]

if alcremie was on the list i'd just give that a 3 and then 0 everything else lmao

[placid pelican]

OH

[hexed agate]

except Clampert when we don't add it to the vote*

[finite reef]

Slurpuff is kinda similar?

[placid pelican]

[thorny ferry]

That ain't no pikachu

[silent acorn]

I wanna hear someone give me a good reason for Dropius that doesn't have to do with the banana and palm leaf.

[placid pelican]

Cool guy

[inland jewel]

fruit tree variants

[weak trellis]

oh lorde clamperl gives deepseatooth to fusions for a pikachu-like experience but with better body stats in exchange for not being able to go mixed

[finite reef]

Not that it changed the number of votes it got

[bitter comet]

More dragon things

[slim otter]

It could be
If Shellos was in

[slim otter]

Dinosaurs

[silent acorn]

Ok thats a good point, Maddening muse that's a bad point

[hexed agate]

do you want me to remove anything else, or just the distincting features?

[finite thistle]

Oh yeah, Clamperl is definitely somewhere on my list for using its held items on different fusions. Especially because said items are already in the game

[bitter comet]

You can never have enough dragons/hj

[silent acorn]

Just the distinctive features. Just give me the raw data brotha

[inland jewel]

For real, if Frogman didn't add a week of his own choices we'd only be getting dragon types last time

[hexed agate]

it has a long neck, that's cool

[scenic karma]

it could also be cool to add in tsareena, though i'm also biased towards tsareena because i used one on my champion team in shield lol

[hexed agate]

new dino data

[silent acorn]

Girafarig does it. But also a good point

[slim otter]

Live Slug Reaction

[iron fiber]

I'd love to have the Rowlet line added, personally.

[inland jewel]

I mean, Aurorus already fill's Tropius's dino niche

[hexed agate]

and also, don't forget Tropius is one of the few big sprites that don't suffer of box syndrome

[uncut badger]

Finally I'm done with the voting.. God that was a lot.. can't believe that they didn't add all those pokemon

[silent acorn]

Can't vote starters dudo

[slim otter]

Starters aren't available

[scenic karma]

imagine tropius/bounsweet and it's just tropius growing bounsweet on its neck

[iron fiber]

Oh, wasn't aware of that. Sorry.

[errant epoch]

durant and heatmor should have been a pair IMO

[slim otter]

Spriting nonPIF/nonPIF is really a gamble

[hexed agate]

Shelmet and Karrablast too

[errant epoch]

oh tru

[hexed agate]

as should've been Drampa and Turtonator

[slim otter]

Lotad/Shellos would be cute, but the chances of it being used decrease

[errant epoch]

i think less so, as they dont have pokedex interactions, but i see your point

[hexed agate]

they're counterpartsv

[silent acorn]

Actually love Karrablast don't care much for shelmet

[iron fiber]

I know Passimian is in... is Oranguru?

[molten latch]

Can we make a truce

[inland jewel]

the reasoning there is that they are counterparts in their origin game. Like you can get Drampa in Moon and Turt in Sun

[errant epoch]

i know that

[slim otter]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-lotad-hang-gif-21504228

[scenic karma]

yeah i feel like if one gets added the other has to as well since their evo method is being traded with each other

[hexed agate]

@hidden relic destroy this person

[silent acorn]

Hm? No they aren't in

[inland jewel]

Passimian is not in the game

[iron fiber]

Really? Weird. Dunno why I thought one of them was.

[errant epoch]

but they don't have as much lore together as say zangoose and seviper, or durant and heatmor

[slim otter]

It's because Passimian is cooler than Oranguru

[inland jewel]

the poll has all the mons not in the game so you can double check there

[silent acorn]

We got them monkeys just not those monkeys

[iron fiber]

Damn, now I feel REALLY stupid.

[inland jewel]

Monkeys not in the game: Darmanitan, Passimian, Orangaru, Elemental Monkies

[errant epoch]

also please, for the love of bidoof, nobody vote for the elemental monkeys. please. i beg

[iron fiber]

There's a Poll? Where's that?

[inland jewel]

In the announcements

[slim otter]

I'll listen to suggestions as to what I should fuse Gastrodon or Shellos with

[hidden relic]

They are indeed counterparts

[hexed agate]

[silent acorn]

Simipour do be stylin tho

[stuck leaf]

heya guys, what's new with the game? took a break since 2023 lol

[iron fiber]

Ah. Thanks. I'll uh... shut up now.

[silent acorn]

We getting to vote new pokemon to add no gen8+ stuff

[hazy fable]

anyone who votes 0 to the elemental monkeys, great job

[errant epoch]

imma find a way to vote negative

[slim otter]

The thing is
I like Pansear

[silent acorn]

Anyone who votes 1 on monkeys, you are the best

[stuck leaf]

ay yo nice, how many?

[slim otter]

That's me
I like them a bit
Because pansear

[inland jewel]

So true!, we don't want them to be dead last, thats how Bruxish got added

[scenic karma]

i honestly don't know why the monkes get so much hate apart from them being weak

[silent acorn]

That I don't know unfortunately

[slim otter]

I don't think there'll be a joke addition?

[scenic karma]

i actually think they're all kinda cute

[silent acorn]

Huh I didn't know that's why Bruxus got in.

[molten loom]

1 line from everyone, and another from the winners votes

[slim otter]

It's because they're all similar in design

[scenic karma]

isn't that kinda the point?

[inland jewel]

i mean, if you watch the Bruxish announcement reveal, it showed like a full 30 seconds of people hating on the thing. and Frogman did reveal haflway through teh voting period that Bruxish was like bottom of the polls in votes

[slim otter]

Really, I have to get a list of Gastrodon fusions to make, and I'd like to hear your ideas

[silent acorn]

Everyone has one monkey they hate the least mine is Simipour

[hazy fable]

Dear Frogman,
Pls don't add Alomomola out of spite like how Bruxish and Stunfisk are

[stuck leaf]

oh i see, and looking at the announcement looks like no legends and mythic huh

[slim otter]

And no starters

[inland jewel]

Stunfisk was actualy added by Frogman himself due to wanting a mon to make the Dex equal 420

[slim otter]

What is everyone's favorite PIF mon?

[inland jewel]

instead of adding all the prevos and making it 419

[silent acorn]

Atleast alomo looks nicer than luvdisk does

[hexed agate]

Porygon

[stuck leaf]

well there are cool ones even if they're not that so imma take a look

[hidden relic]

Stunfisk wasn't spite

And neither was Brux

[inland jewel]

At least Alom has some good abilities and nice stats

[silent acorn]

Gotta be honest that I haven't played enough but I love Froslass

[hazy fable]

Eelektross... IF IT GETS ADDED

[molten loom]

You tell me

[scenic karma]

sylveon because alcremie isn't an option TwT

[silent acorn]

Actually lemme make justice for alomo, I owe it

[inland jewel]

Stunfisk was a Frogman choice mon like Garboder

[hardy tartan]

it's a tree, a dinosaur, and it can fly

[hidden relic]

Wrong again, Stunfisk is from an ancient era where contest winners could add Pokemon to the game

[silent acorn]

I dont fear success

[inland jewel]

no that was Pyukumuku

[hardy tartan]

you gotta spell it correctly

[hexed agate]

gone-by era...

[stuck leaf]

vote for Ribombee for more degen sprites

[slim otter]

I hope you like spriting hands

[slim otter]

What's a degen?

[silent acorn]

I do actually

[hazy fable]

Ribombee is atleast 1

[stuck leaf]

degenerate

[hidden relic]

and Stun

[lone rampart]

how it feels knowing nobody voted luvdisc

[slim otter]

https://tenor.com/view/cutiefly-dancing-pokemon-gif-9838011

[inland jewel]

But also, that era evolved from adding a mon to the game, to a raffle to add a mon to the game so...

[woven oxide]

I think we all know exactly what needs to be added

[slim otter]

Yes
Gastrodon

[inland jewel]

i might have missed the event that decided that, i remember the poll for adding prevos or new pokemon, and then i remember the announcement of Pyukumuku

[silent acorn]

Yes. Spinda

[hazy fable]

If people vote for Audino just to farm them for exp, they definitely havent played this game

[slim otter]

https://tenor.com/view/shellos-pokemon-walking-walk-gif-27244348

[hidden relic]

oh wait shit, no wait I think I am getting it mixed up

[silent acorn]

People were willing to vote for luvdisk to farm for heartscales even though you don't need to

[hidden relic]

Yeah ur right, that was Pyuk

[woven oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/gogogolisopod-golisopod-goatedgolisopod-gif-25159761

[hidden relic]

Stun was also for the funny mon a funny number

[stuck leaf]

i just realized thay almost all of my 3's are gen 3

[inland jewel]

I think i remember people asking why Stunfisk as added and Frogman just said. "I want a pokemon to make it 420

[silent acorn]

That's fine.... Gen 3 is quality gen

[civic harness]

Awesome

[hidden relic]

Yeyeye thats right

[inland jewel]

Just like how we got Cresselia so we can have our dex end onf 469

[hardy tartan]

you can have hearts around a 'mon to make it look lovestruck

[hazy fable]

they should add spinda and its 4,294,967,296 versions

[hidden relic]

Pyuk was chosen for it being funny by Mil

[hazy fable]

pyuku is great choice

[stuck leaf]

now i would like to shiny hunt that

[silent acorn]

I mean alomo also does that, look at it's dex

[inland jewel]

Pyuk is a great choice, currently carrying Expert mode runs

[hazy fable]

just voted Patrat and Watchog bcoz hehe

[woven oxide]

Golisopod is the clea choice. Think of all the cool Samurai Pokemon we can have

[stuck leaf]

now add Eelektross for more broken fusions

[silent acorn]

My dude.... You could have picked up on the sarcasm that Golisopod IS THE CHOICE

SAFEST BEST CHOICE
Its just works

[hardy tartan]

hence why i vote for the more bonkers "ugly" designs
you give the spriters a lot to work with

[inland jewel]

Still thinking about how close the Golisopod/Lycanroc vote was

[silent acorn]

SUPER VERY MUCH

[civic harness]

Yes

[hazy fable]

did people voted for Spheal just bocz ROUND

[hidden relic]

Well probably not just that. Spheal has always been popular

[silent acorn]

Whatchu picking off the menu this time?

[hardy tartan]

probably
that's the fear - we'll get a bunch of spheal fusions and less of the evos

[inland jewel]

Thats one of the arguments for, but thats easily debunked by Voltorb Fusions

[silent acorn]

Purugly and skuntank are certainly up there

[hardy tartan]

binacle and barbaracle for one
imagine

[stuck leaf]

don't vote for Amoonguss...i can see the among us fusion from mile away

[silent acorn]

Honestly that Electrode is like suckiest off all possible combos

[woven oxide]

I mean if it was that Close then, to me, that means Golisopod should be the one to make it in next

[silent acorn]

They have nice texture

[inland jewel]

Binacle and Barbaracle actually have a chance, since people are asking for Tough Claws, since no Noon Lycanroc

[silent acorn]

Ah that's true, now it's the only way for that

[prime dust]

no i voted spheal because

[silent acorn]

It gets a 1. I rather have Furfrous Ability

[hazy fable]

VALID

[prime dust]

slime friend ball

[cold fog]

I don't REALLY care about the new Pokémon, but I'd LOVE to see new abilities added to the game. A sleeper choice would be Comfey; a Pokémon not that popular, but think about the fun with Triage ability!

[civic harness]

I allways want one line that in the last votes people hate, worst than Bruxish they say

[prime dust]

that'd be the monkeys this time around

[amber salmon]

I hope that my boys Sigilyph and Escavalier can get added in the expansion. I was so sad when I discovered they weren't in the game

[hardy tartan]

it's a humanoid made of hands that are cyclopean barnacles that are replications of its prevo form

[hazy fable]

not the monkeys

[civic harness]

Not that

[inland jewel]

iirc the last poll the bottom 3 were eleMonkeys, Alomomola and Bruxish

[molten latch]

Round Boi FTW

[sour stream]

yes please

[hot hamlet]

If we get spheal, there’s a Joltik/Voltorb sprite that was added last pack.
I’d love to see an alt of the same concept (Joltik on a ball)

[stuck leaf]

ngl i kinda wanna see one of my fav grass type Lurantis

[civic harness]

And what about the rest of the line?

[inland jewel]

Lurantis giving Contrary is goated

[prime dust]

i won't complain about more ice types

i think outside fairy they have the least presence

[inland jewel]

can i convince you of Crabominable. Both Ice and Fighting are the lowest represented typing. and this gives both

[hardy tartan]

iirc, ice and dragon have the fewest lines

[inland jewel]

Dragon has 20 lines.
Fighting and Ice have like 11-13 i think

[quaint grotto]

im just hoping more fairies drop

[prime dust]

we have plenty of dergin, but don't tell term that as they require dragale

[hardy tartan]

i don't dislike the idea of crabominable
i like the Rocky Balboa vibe of its prevo

[civic harness]

That is the one line I really like

[hardy tartan]

ah true
my count ignored legendaries

[fluid spire]

I just want dwebble

[inland jewel]

Crabominable gives Ice/Fighting. Access to signature move Ice Hammer. and Cryptid fusions

[silent acorn]

Never

[hazy fable]

we want better pidgeot aka staraptor

[inland jewel]

the downside of its ugly design goes away when you fuse it. So at this point no downsides at all

[cold fog]

Wait a sec. I know they have virtually no chance of getting voted in.... but how would devs handle Deerling/Sawsbuck forms? Would we get only the Spring forms, or we would get all 4 seasons forms?

[hardy tartan]

this is what i want to know
same with castform

[silent acorn]

Coats of paint, like skins, no need for entries

Pick a season, 4 colors, 8 for your buck

[inland jewel]

one sprite to represent deerling/sawsbuck, but the spriters can choose any season for the fusions

[hazy fable]

probably like oricorio

[civic harness]

I will make too many fusions with the line If [SOMEHOW] it gets in

[simple gulch]

so where to vote?

[bitter comet]

Man, I want to have more ice types so I can do a proper mono ice run

[hardy tartan]

right see. these are too different means of implementation

[silver sierra]

Crabominable is dope.

Vote 3 on lotad and spheal!

[hazy fable]

and maybe castform will hold the weather rocks(damp rock for example) to change forms

[fluid spire]

Okay but also picture druddigon fusions

[hardy tartan]

check #announcements

[silent acorn]

Vanillite is like the only ice type I'd be willing to put on 3. Actually like the cones and their gimmicks now

[inland jewel]

Sawsbuck = Change form, not types/abilities
Oricorio= Changes form, changes types

[bitter comet]

Yes, silly ice cream mon ❤️

[silent acorn]

Sweet reminder Sawsbuck forms CHANGE LITERALLY NOTHING about how it plays

[inland jewel]

Frogman?

[bitter comet]

You good man?

[prime dust]

since the other forms don't offer anything outside looks, they'd likely be alts, castform is a bit different in that its forms actually affect one of its moves

[silent acorn]

Hi there... Uhhhh you OK?

[tender plank]

???

[civic harness]

Epic

[pearl ridge]

Are you ok?

[spice sage]

Jesus Christ lmao

[tender plank]

Tf was that about

[silent acorn]

hahaha sorry just concerned

[bitter comet]

Imagine if that was a hint for a secret Pokémon that was gonna be added lol

[hazy fable]

thats the 2nd vote

[silent acorn]

Ah that was amusing. Anyway back to icing

[inland jewel]

Ideal scenario.

Community vote, Winners Vote, Frogman's pick, Mod's pick

[hardy tartan]

yes but
spriters have to make them
and again - oricorio is made of disappointment when only one form is custom, let alone an entire line

[prime dust]

jokes on us Frog is just going to add the monkeys since they are the meme this time around along with whatever we vote for and the contest winner as well

[fluid spire]

Frog

[bitter comet]

Hell yeah

[hardy tartan]

guessing he leaned on a button?

[inland jewel]

so 4 lines. right now its 2 guarenteed, but there are always the secret behind the scenes things

[tender plank]

No yeah, i think I heard them say 'Tirtouga' so it's basiczlly comfirmed /j

[pearl ridge]

I voted for every pokemon

[civic harness]

Spriter votes

[silent acorn]

Not really that's the beauty of Sawsbuck the spriter just gets to pick whatever form and palette they wanna play with

[latent knoll]

Thaaat was a long list of voting

[inland jewel]

thats the Winner's vote right? Since if they win the spriting contest they get added to the raffle. Thing is they are also adding Showdown tourney winners to that raffle aswell

[spice sage]

I did lol that was kinda embarrassing

[hardy tartan]

figured. 😌 that's what made the most sense to me

[silent acorn]

It's like with minior you aren't going to make an actual entry for each rainbow color right?

[cold fog]

Never forget last time we were told "20 or so new 'mons".... and we got 50.

[hardy tartan]

shoot, and now i forget what i was gonna ask Frog next time he showed up

[inland jewel]

well, they said we could vote to add 20 mons, those 20 are the ones we chose, the other 30 are Frogman and Mod's choice

[civic harness]

I mean, a vote where only Spriters can vote so the people that vote but never see this chat and never play the game dont ruin it

[hardy tartan]

don't get our hopes up
oh, and - sell me on furfrou

[silent acorn]

They have one

[hot hamlet]

But does that 20 account for multiple evos in one line?

[silent acorn]

Stuff like wurmple line takes like 5 spots yeap

[prime dust]

it did last time

that's why i voted 0 on anything that was single stage

[molten loom]

I still think Vivillon has good potential because of the wing patterns

[silver sierra]

I didnt vote 0 on anyone lol

[inland jewel]

last time yes, multiple evo stages counted to the 20. which is why they banned starters last time

This time, we get 1 row of pokemon to add, so mons like Wurmple have better odds since we get more mon that way

[hot hamlet]

I think Vivillon would do better as a separate dedicated spritepack

[inland jewel]

nothing is holding those mon back

[molten loom]

I mean we would get 6 with the monkeys

[hardy tartan]

i know they said lack of voting would count as 0, but i wonder what the results would be for last place if you counted 'mons voted as 0 vs 'mons not rated at all

[cold fog]

Selling you on Furfrou: LOADS of possible customisations possible. Don't forget the base form, but ALSO the 9 other possible haircuts. So Furfrou gives a LOT of options for spriters to work their magic. Also, Fur Coat can be a broken ability for fusions, just a fun thing to think about. Furfrou's stats are not the best maybe, but they are solid and won't bring down potential fusions. Furfrou's just amazing in my eyes ❤️

[inland jewel]

if only we could have body press 😦 But thats a Gen 8 move

[prime dust]

since we got a new vote, time to redo that tiermaker list

[ripe flare]

Wait so like

100 options to add, but only ONE evo line is being added at the end of the day?

[silent acorn]

No no no

[hardy tartan]

two. one voted in by the community, one as a winner from the contest thingy

[ripe flare]

That's oddly slow I guess

[hardy tartan]

as far as we know

[molten loom]

Winner's from several contests will have a special vote

[ripe flare]

Well here's to hoping we get more than two 🙂

[inland jewel]

100 options, but the top option gets added to the game, all the other options have to wait till next year

[molten loom]

Several of the contests involve showdown

[hardy tartan]

a special vote or special votes?
i'm guessing the latter - they don't all have to agree to one 'mon?

[cold fog]

I still would love to see Sallazzle for that sweet sweet Corrosion ability

[inland jewel]

thats the thing though, is it gonna be like the raffle thing they did last year, which got us Meloetta?

[hardy tartan]

🤔 okay so. i was right the first time. two pokemon
and the contest winners do have to fight it out for the final vote

[inland jewel]

or is it gonna actually be a vote?

[molten loom]

Here are some of the events

[ripe flare]

Larger batches of new pokemon just makes more sense. Stalling it out when we have like half the pokedex feels unsavory. To be fair I guess, I'm not a developer so I can't speak on the difficulty of adding new pokemon especially when incorporating a story or unique obtainment method for each of them.

[molten loom]

You can see the rest in the #announcements

[hardy tartan]

spriting

[placid pelican]

Dragalge

[inland jewel]

The reason they hold off on adding mons at a time is due to Spriter burnout

[simple gulch]

choose wrumple for 5 mons

[hardy tartan]

...you gonna make them all fusions with machoke?

[ripe flare]

That makes sense, especially since most of them probably have a life outside of this game

[hexed agate]

choose the monkeys for 6

[simple gulch]

maybe

[molten loom]

Choose Vivillon for 20 wing patterns for spriting potential

[hazy fable]

PLS FOR THE LOVE ARCEUS NOT THE MONKEYS

[simple gulch]

it still count as only 1 mon thou, like unown

[sharp igloo]

I NEED MY BABY MARACTUS

[inland jewel]

think of it like this. If the monkeys get added we don't have to deal with them ever again

[hardy tartan]

see, that's why i think it'd be interesting to see the 0 votes vs neglect to vote

[molten loom]

Yeah, but I like the colors of the wings

[cold fog]

Choose Kriketune for the DELELEWHOOP memes.

[inland jewel]

fusing it with wooper first chance i get

[hardy tartan]

that's be interesting, actually. having the wings mimic the form of the head? pokemon

[hazy fable]

We could just like never deal with them at all

[inland jewel]

its only a matter of time Toby, they'll get into the game on day or another

[hazy fable]

[inland jewel]

and it will be horrendous

[molten loom]

They're already with me

[hardy tartan]

how about they get added to the game but only exist as a triple fusion

[hazy fable]

give me a good fusion and maybe I could reconsider

[molten loom]

You know never thought about the fact they could be a triple fuse

[inland jewel]

to get that triple fusion, they actually have to be added

[hardy tartan]

not necessarily
you just get the throuple egg through shenanigans

[hazy fable]

no this ruined it more for me

[silver sierra]

Avatar monkey

[hazy fable]

we already have a better monkey: Infernape

[hazy fable]

not a fan of beartic, but if its gets added, along with pangoru line, we can have WE BARE BEARS

[silver sierra]

Id be cool if we could get primape evo

[dry fiber]

Oh god oh fuck please tell me this isn't happening

[molten loom]

But we need more so we can do Monkey runs

[proud lion]

Not official. But I want it to be

[slim otter]

I just want the funny mollusc creature
Please

[proud snow]

My favorite picks:
Golisopod line because it's cool af
Slurpuff line because it's great head fusion material
Claydol line because it can result in some great enigmatic designs

[hazy fable]

Then just get Passimian and Orangoru instead of elemental monkeys

[hardy tartan]

you mean escavalier?

[slim otter]

No

I don't wanna sprite armor
I wanna sprite seaslugs

[hardy tartan]

it is a mollusc
as is accelgor

[proud snow]

I just know people are voting high for Excadrill

[slim otter]

I have to go to bed
But someone keep up the Gastrodon chatter for me

[hardy tartan]

what if we do mollusc runs instead

[inland jewel]

Kommo-o 🤝 Golisopod 🤝 Escavalier: Giving pokemon their armor

[slim otter]

A Mollusc Theme Blitz would be great fun

[proud snow]

Ohhh yeah I want Kommo-o to be added as well! Great body fusion material

[hazy fable]

give us more Knights

[fickle hare]

It is a crime that Gastrodon hasn’t been added yet

[slim otter]

Okay
Keep Gastrodon and Shellos in your thoughts
Honestly consider it
I'm going to bed

May you all dream of your favorite pokemon as you sleep

[inland jewel]

The funniest thing of Gastrodon not making it in because people really like dragons

[hazy fable]

like imagine dragons

[fickle hare]

I may be the only one but I’m hoping we get Glameow and Purugly too

[inland jewel]

you're not alone. They're my favorite mons

[hazy fable]

YOU HAD TO SEPARATE MONKEYS AT LOW TIER KJHDGHJGSKGHLKDSH

[prime dust]

lol

[fickle hare]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-koopa-gif-9854026

[hardy tartan]

you rated the hand barnacles low your opinion can't be trusted

[prime dust]

only because spongebob inadvertantly predicted it

[unborn hazel]

pyroar 😔

[hazy fable]

voted 1 for lions

[cold fog]

See this. Now imagine all the possibilities for fusions. This is my "Sell Furfrou" pitch to all you guys.

[hardy tartan]

why are you pyroar enthusiast and not pyroar pryde

[bitter comet]

I generally agree with this minus the concrete man and black-and-white lady being so high up

[peak bone]

My 3’s list
Araquanid
Tsareena
Mudsdale
Excadrill
Ribombee
Gigalith
Clawitzer
Lurantis

[molten loom]

Now Imagine all the possibilities for fusions

[hardy tartan]

conkeldurr is ugly enough to be interesting

[hexed agate]

think of the possibilities...

[peak bone]

I’m particularly hoping for clawitzer, but anything with a fun signature ability is a win

[hazy fable]

I also want my doggo be added just for this. CTTO

[bitter comet]

I mean, I did use him once in a pokerogue run and if my memory is correct, he did well, so maybe he’d be a bit higher up than the black-and-white lady?

[cold fog]

To be fair, yes there's 20 forms, but it's a glorified Color changes for me, nothing else. While Furfrou is 10 different forms Spriters can play with. 😛

[hexed agate]

no pooch, Mightyena is attached to it

[lunar rock]

Does Castform mean that each form will get it's own unique fusion?

[hazy fable]

I like Mightyena, SPAM TAUNT

[prime dust]

we're not sure how that will work

[tawny heath]

The possibilities with the swirlix or pumpkaboo lines goes hard

[lunar rock]

Because if so: BOOM

[hexed agate]

spam focus miss and close combat

[molten loom]

Fair enough

[peak bone]

My most hoped for addition by ability is mudsdale’s stamina. Stamina would be such a fun ability for bulky fusions

[prime dust]

as it sits weather abilities are a bit borked; so adding him in means fixing that

[hazy fable]

jokes on you I use Play rough and im faster most of the time

[lunar rock]

I'm the same way with Topsy Turvy

[hexed agate]

first impression

[peak bone]

I imagine dusclops would enjoy access to stamina

[hazy fable]

just that I wont use mightyena against staraptor

[prime dust]

but i put conkledurr up so high because i want to see how spriters incorperate other mons into their designs

[peak bone]

But also blissey clawitzer sounds so funny. Mega launcher boosted heal pulse for massive heals

[prime dust]

as for Gothitelle

we need the goth aesthetic

[hardy tartan]

explain the low rating for hand barnacle then

[hexed agate]

but Slurpuff could give you Belly Drum Urburden

[molten loom]

I'm honestly suprised I haven't seen propaganda for Goth line

[bitter comet]

That is true. I’m just biased against overly human looking mons lol.

[hazy fable]

yknow what, I'll put Sawk and Throh as 3 out of spite, just to fight against monkeys

[prime dust]

i already did, spongebob predicted it

[cold fog]

Comfey with any 'mon with Drain Punch = Amazing.

[prime dust]

humanoid stuff is easier to sprite, its why Gardevoir has so many alts

the weirder the design of the mon, the harder it is to design sprites...just look at Dhel

[hardy tartan]

sawk and throh could get interesting designs muppetwise

muppet gardevoir

[bitter comet]

Also, can you explain why goat is so low?

[rough hound]

we're so back

[hardy tartan]

🤔 muppet garbodor that's Oscar the Grouch?

[prime dust]

i could move him up to "could go either way" but not any higher for this vote; just doesn't interest me enough

[bitter comet]

Fair enough

[prime dust]

i think last time i gave him a 2 out of 3, this time he's in 1 because we only have control over 1 vote from the community, while spriters technically have 2

[hidden relic]

Most of the things for the second vote are from tourneys, spriters don't technically have 2

[bitter comet]

Yeah, there are a lot of spriters that love gogoat and the more Spriters that love the same thing the more chance that someone who likes gogoat will win

[prime dust]

they get to vote in the community side of things, which is 1, and then they also can participate in the event thus getting the chance for another...how is that not 2

[prisma willow]

The return of TOP LIL?

[hidden relic]

because you can also participate in the stuff

[hexed agate]

there's more tournaments than sprite competitions

[hazy fable]

imagine there was an ARG competition 😔

[hexed agate]

and while you can single out spriters, you could also single out anyone who plays pokemon competitively

[bitter comet]

I can imagine that for the ultra beasts

[molten loom]

People should read the links shouldn't they

[wanton seal]

i dont see ludicolo on that list, its flawed

ludicolo should be in, we need the derpy dancer

[rough hound]

its time to break out the old propaganda

[prime dust]

if it is pvp stuff, i'll pass, never been into comp pokemon so i have 0 idea what im doing

[hexed agate]

fair

there's also a dex entry contest

[wanton seal]

counterargument: ludicolo

[hazy fable]

@placid pelican ITS YOU

[prime dust]

tempting, but i have a hard time getting stuff written down like that; i've litterally taken a month to write a paragraph

[molten loom]

Mood

[bitter comet]

Man Malamar/dragalgae might make a cool fusion…

[wanton seal]

i do love dragalgae, but ludicolo and staraptor are higher on the list for me

[drowsy drift]

Bruxish SWEEP

[hexed agate]

suit yourself

[wanton seal]

if not ludicolo, then give us best bird, straraptor

[prime dust]

shhh, don't say that out loud, the guy who wants dragalgae might show up

[wanton seal]

he already did what?

[hazy fable]

YOUR VOTE IS VALID AS LONG AS YOU 0 THE MONKEYS

[wanton seal]

explain monke

[prime dust]

we just did

[hazy fable]

the elemental monkeys

[hardy tartan]

you just know they'll get bruxish'd in if you do that, right?

[rough hound]

my beloved propaganda sprites see the light of day once more

[drowsy drift]

how does frogman keep adding space for new pokemon?

[prime dust]

the monkeys are 0 because they are monkeys [they are the meme option because almost everyone dislikes them...much like a lot of people disliked Bruxish]

[wanton seal]

screw the monkes, though i think they get more hate than they deserve. plus, we are voting on ONE new line, not 3, and you can't have 1 without the other 2, genuinely no reason ANY of them should win

[drowsy drift]

bruxish is ugly on purpose, it's not the same

[prime dust]

because he can, thanks to the whole unhardcoding of fusion data, he freed up space to add in a lot of new mons

i think he said we could add in like 1000 new generations before we hit that issue again

[rough hound]

oh btw, if you vote dragalge, toxicroak, or gastrodon there's already base sprites for each made by yours truly!

[prime dust]

it still takes time to add new stuff obviously

[drowsy drift]

someday someone will make a pokemon essentials for something other than an ancient version of rpgmaker

[wanton seal]

counterargument: ludicolo

[prime dust]

possible, but that more relies on gens 4 and 5 getting more figured out with their tools for romhacks and mods

[rough hound]

counterarguement: wheres your custom ludicolo sprite

[molten loom]

I voted 3 on like 7 different mons

[wanton seal]

im not a spriter

[rough hound]

sounds like a skill issue

[wanton seal]

where do you vote btw

[rough hound]

also bonus lurantis sprite i made

[molten loom]

Get the link from #announcements or the pins in here

[molten latch]

Lurantis FTW

[rough hound]

i forgot about this guy, i like this guy

[strange egret]

I feel that nudibranchs have so much diversity in real life that Gastrodon could naturally inherit the physical traits of plenty of pokemon, especially through cerata types.

Pokemon with nubs or spines like Sandslash mesh well with the cerata on many sea slugs. Pokemon with wings can also match up with certain species of nudibranch whose cerata spread outwards. Grass pokemon can enjoy sea slugs that have leaf-like appendages, etc, and I'm sure that Miltank wouldn't mind this species that looks a bit like a cow.

[hardy tartan]

(no slug emoji; have to resort to snail)

[rough hound]

his new album is dropping and its all about how you should vote him

[golden thorn]

we need this goat with some goated fusions

[prime dust]

castform presents issues

[gleaming badge]

im guessing its weather forms?

[prime dust]

no legends this time around

[snow scroll]

i assume they wouldn't put it in the votes if it was overly problematic

[golden thorn]

okay

[wanton seal]

guys i am a disgrace, i forgot about 2 pokemon: tynamo line, and DELELE WOOOOP

[prime dust]

yep, weather abilities are borked, so to add him, means fixing that

[snow scroll]

(isn't that a good thing though)

[prime dust]

yes but that is more work for frog

[wanton seal]

if nothing else, vote 3 on at LEAST 1 sinnoh mon

[snow scroll]

they don't need to add it immediately

[prime dust]

i don't remember where all my 3's are from

[grave jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokémon-spheal-adorable-cute-gif-14150083720571761780

[stone cliff]

I just wish Kriketune wasn't one of the worst gen 4 mons because I love him

[distant lynx]

at least did 3s on kricketune and toxicroak

[agile olive]

I personally don't care about tynamo line but it would make cool fusions

[snow scroll]

weather abilities fixed + 4 different forms + c a s t f o r m sounds like a good deal to me tbh

[wanton seal]

good

[distant lynx]

archeops needs fusions, the removal of defeatist puts it on top

[snow scroll]

defeatist's that one completely-useless ability, right?

[distant lynx]

yeah, makes it worse when under half health

[snow scroll]

but why 😭

[agile olive]

Agree. And it's cool

[stone cliff]

We need Archeops and Medicham

[wanton seal]

i voted 3 on both fossils

[hot hamlet]

Meinfoo sitting in the corner sadly

[hardy tartan]

what's borked up with Weather abilities?
(i've only recently dabbled in weather-based strategies, so i don't know if i've run into this yet)

[rough hound]

Ok i love archeops, but we already have a rainbow bird

[prime dust]

archeops without tortuga is just...

[stone cliff]

Archeops with Pure Power would be interesting

[wanton seal]

i think both fossils SHOULD get added

[prime dust]

most weather abilites just outright don't work [unless they got fixed and i missed it]

[wanton seal]

also ludicolo, staraptor, eelektross, and DELELE WOOOOOP

[stone cliff]

Fellow Ludicolo fan

[wanton seal]

we need the derpy dancer

its a slogan: DERPY DANCER

[hardy tartan]

as in they don't change the weather? that the moves' power doesn't increase as it should? that the wrong pokemon are damaged by hail? something else?

[stone cliff]

Imma try and throw together some quick Ludicolo sprites with different hats

[prime dust]

no i mean stuff like abilities that get boosted by weather affects don't function

[rancid wraith]

repost

[wanton seal]

no

[prime dust]

ex: swift swim

[grave jolt]

No

[hardy tartan]

yeah, see. that's why i wanted you to elaborate
gotcha

[rough hound]

I feel like my picks are most interesting for the spriters

[wanton seal]

might be me, but i would rather clear out gens 3 and 4 before we get more gen 7

[dense pulsar]

Last I check about a month ago, speed boosting abilities (e.g., Sand Rush) didn't work.

[grave jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/pachirisu-cute-squirrel-gif-26992616

[dense pulsar]

And presumably the other speed boosting weather abilities, and maybe more, idk.

[analog stag]

We should get a triple fusion of Aerodactyl, Kabutops and Omastar

[silent acorn]

So we get one mon correct?

Or is it 2? I am not sure

[grave jolt]

1 Evo line

[rough hound]

Oh and friendly reminder that croagunk is the GOAT

[silent acorn]

Alright so it is one

[rancid wraith]

araquanid or spheal

[molten latch]

Now we're forming an alliance

[wanton seal]

ludicolo

[analog stag]

One new line for public vote. One more line for private vote

[silent acorn]

Ok Croagunk was very cool in that movie

[analog stag]

So two new lines but only one most can vote on

[silent acorn]

Alright soo.... We get One more new line

So which one would be badass that adds most?

[grave jolt]

There's no alliances, it's the hunger games!

[rough hound]

Dragicroadon stands strong
(Dragalge toxicroak gastrodon)

[sweet mica]

We should pick a line that has 3+states

[rough hound]

Im personally rooting for whatever gives the spriters the best material

[silent acorn]

Wurmple is a good no. And the monkeys... Wait a second

[molten latch]

There's no Hunger Games only Zhul!

[silent acorn]

Wait the hell, the monkeys are grouped together this time

[grave jolt]

Monkeys for more classic viridian Forrest variety

[analog stag]

That’s why I voted Wurmple line a 3 lol

[silent acorn]

I mean... Its not ideal but......

[snow scroll]

would the monkeys be any good with fusions though

[hardy tartan]

pompadour

[silent acorn]

I mean we get 6 monkeys for the price of Just one vote

[sweet mica]

The Trump Pokémon line would be funny for fusions

[rancid wraith]

it would be really funny if everyone voted aromatisse

[analog stag]

I voted the monkeys and Wurmple line a 3

[grave jolt]

At least a few great ones and a new triple fusion

[silent acorn]

Alright you know what, Monkeys 3

[opal steeple]

GUYS WHAT DOP Y

[silent acorn]

it's unavoidable

[wanton seal]

ludicolo, staraptor, eelektross, and DELELE WOOOOOP

[restive halo]

Honestly, I am shocked we don't have this boi in the dex yet. And they should get in. Their entire gen 6 gimmick all but is the easiest set-up for fusions of all time.

[analog stag]

You can dislike the monkeys all you want, but for the sake of this vote it’d be funny as fuck to get 6 mons for the price of 1

And a new triple fusion

[silent acorn]

It's actually a great mon when I checked last time, shame is not already in, the hairstyles would be good variety

[opal steeple]

guys what do you feel about gothitelle being 3, hear me out, gardevoir gothitelle fusion?

[silent acorn]

Technicalities shall be the downfall of the vote this time

[gleaming badge]

https://tenor.com/view/caseoh-case-oh-case-oh-mad-gif-2552267065185793066

[grave jolt]

Would be great to finally get rid of one of the worst choices and make way for future discussions

[sweet mica]

Guys what about Gumshoos, trump fusions would be funny

[snow scroll]

I love the monkeys as a standalone group, but they're not hugely versatile when it comes to fusions

[dense pulsar]

I'll advocate for Kommo-o as there aren't any high stat fighting Pokemon, and it's the last pseudo legendary line up through Gen 7.

[grave jolt]

Politics are banned

[silent acorn]

Eh, simisage can do that better

[restive halo]

Also 100% they should get the chance to appear too.

[opal steeple]

you not rockin with that idea?

[hardy tartan]

sounds like the coward's choice when salazzle's on the table 😌

[analog stag]

How would the haircuts be handled? Would each haircut style be a different dex number like the Oriocorio’s?

[gleaming badge]

lol

[analog stag]

Cause each haircut would have its own set of fusions

[wanton seal]

stop, we dont need more

[molten loom]

We do

[silent acorn]

Cowards choice is tropius

[clear island]

Golisopod and Araquanid would make for some sick fusions

[opal steeple]

salazzle is good but its not got the same vibe, gothitelle is more goth mommy whereas salazzle is more dommy mommy vibes

[snow scroll]

off the top of my head, a furfrou + grotle fusion would look great imo

[restive halo]

Odds are the hairdos would likely be tied to certain pokemon, and then new ones for other fusions.

[snow scroll]

kind of like those trimmed bushes you find in rich people's gardens

[hardy tartan]

yeah, akin to unown, i bet

[hardy tartan]

~~how'd you get away with that when i get the bot yelling at me for talking about birds ~~

[restive halo]

Also doing my part to yet again vote for the 🐴 and 🦓 bois with zebstrika, Mudsdale, ect. We can get at least one more horsemon before the end, right?

[grave jolt]

I'd like alt forms triggered by going to like a barber or something

[molten loom]

Still think Vivillon would be good with that for sprites

[analog stag]

I voted 3 on every fairy type cause we need more in the game.

[grave jolt]

Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse team when?

[opal steeple]

i dont know

[molten loom]

That's worms thing

[snow scroll]

it's still wild how many colored patterns they gave vivillion

[dense pulsar]

I voted Eelektross highly 'cause I've just wanted a good electric type with levitate, so it's him or add the Rotom forms.

[restive halo]

Part of me wants these guys in just because the fusion potential has the chance to allow for endless references to other fighters/ect.

[molten loom]

They're pretty though

[analog stag]

A new barber npc would be cool.

[hardy tartan]

imagine you're on Kin Island picking some bananas and then. Surprise! you get an encounter with tropius!
kinda like paras in Viridian Forest 😌

[snow scroll]

no like, it's great

the total number goes even higher if you include the shinies

[hardy tartan]

when i can get my tendons to behave

[molten loom]

I do not want them because the amount of people that would fuse sawk and slugma would be crazy

[visual barn]

no options for more starters so idc /j

would be neat to see lilligant added

[grave jolt]

Sawma

[molten loom]

If we get slugma sawk and gulpin would there be a triple fuse?

[snow scroll]

it's so sad that steve jobs died of sawkma

[tired kraken]

I'm really rooting for Gourgeist to get in, cause imagine all the fun Halloween-themed sprites that can be made with it

[restive halo]

This one thing alone has stupid fusion potential if it wasn't for butterfree existing.

[grave jolt]

"who the hell is Steve jobs?"

[silent acorn]

Are you... Kidding?

[snow scroll]

[analog stag]

I wanna see Wurmple line win just for the Silcoon/Cascoon fusions

[molten loom]

But it has one thing Butterfree doesn't, a lot of options for colours

[snow scroll]

patterns, too!

[grave jolt]

Ah yes, another bug type for viridian

[snow scroll]

i kind of regret not voting for vivillion now

[molten loom]

pretty sure you can edit your vote

[silent acorn]

I dont think people actually know what the problem of the monkeys is, because those last mons have that problem

[opal steeple]

editing votes is possible

[restive halo]

People only had beef with the monke trio winning potentially back then because muh slots being "stolen".

[snow scroll]

brb

[grave jolt]

There's a problem with the monkeys?

[silent acorn]

My problem with the Wormadams is that they have basically the same body for fusions and they actually do take different slots because they are different types

Or more like entries which is kinda unnecessary and excessive?

[hardy tartan]

#playthrough-talk message

[weak trellis]

I mean oricorio has the same thing going on right now so I guess we can kinda weigh it to those

[restive halo]

I also voted for Purugly because a lot of funny catmon fusions can happen. And also because it's still funny a fat cat can outspeed a literal airplane pokemon.

[grave jolt]

Didn't know you were actually doing one, that's pretty cool

[silent acorn]

Since this vote isn't as desperate as last time I am just gonna go with some I love

[weak trellis]

Purugly outside of thick fat feels like what persian would be like if persian wasn't designed around gen 1's broken normal type mechanics (mostly related to slash and hyper beam)

[opal steeple]

what about wishiwashi, big sprite potential with schooling right?, like having the fused sprites based on schooled version wishiwashi

[weary robin]

I ONLY wish for Mincinno

[restive halo]

I mean, if Purugly was in Gen 1, it would break everything due to its speed and thus infinite crit chance.

[silent acorn]

It's grounded and honestly Purugly has a bit more of its own design

[grave jolt]

Wishi washi is water type archen

[weak trellis]

yea if I was throwing in my chips for any normals it'd be uuuuh

furfrou <- diggersby <- delcatty <- sawsbuck <- cinccino <- others I'm forgetting

[grave jolt]

Id prefer Skitty as a catmon

[hardy tartan]

you forgot barbaracle

[weak trellis]

sawsbuck and diggersby are only half normals tho so they do have kind of like a wigglytuff thing going on there

[weary robin]

https://tenor.com/view/minccino-pokemon-pokemon-black-and-white-hearts-love-gif-22413008

[grave jolt]

God I keep thinking Skitty is fairy type

[weak trellis]

komala would be funny but I'm not sure what people could do with that

[restive halo]

Unironically Diggersby lost most of its chance to get in via meme appeal when Lopunny stole the one joke it was gonna try to do originally.

[grave jolt]

Snorlax fusion

[hardy tartan]

comfey and clamperl have unfavorable chances due to no images for some reason

[weak trellis]

and Azumarill stole the other joke it was going for which was huge power

[weary robin]

Omg imagine Cinccino potential with its tails

[opal steeple]

some grass type fusions incorporating the log heavily?

[hardy tartan]

the ability's neat

[restive halo]

This is why I want Floatzel to get in too.

[weak trellis]

yea comatose does give it appeal

[weary robin]

https://tenor.com/view/cinccino-gif-16686054651581635730

[weary robin]

YEAH THATD ALSO BE COOL

[weak trellis]

I think the one pokemon I voted negative one on though was wishiwashi because I don't wanna deal with that nightmare in randos

[grave jolt]

Snorlax with comatose goes heavy

[weak trellis]

floatzel is fine, much more of a personality than gameplay tho

[hardy tartan]

🤔 elaborate

[restive halo]

There's an old joke that Gen 4 is the Sonic generation because in that generation it introduced both its first hedgehog pokemon along-side a mammal with 2 tails.

[weak trellis]

schooling, which I'm not sure how IF would even handle that

[restive halo]

Shaymin before the "sky form" was just a little grass hedgehog.

[grave jolt]

Probably like we did with ultra necrosma

[weak trellis]

in that case fair enough

[opal steeple]

schooling would also be a good ability to use too though

[hardy tartan]

so you're saying that one "Gotta Go Fast" reference joke in Classic will have to be updated?

[grave jolt]

It would not

[opal steeple]

why not?

[hardy tartan]

imagine swarm of digletts

[opal steeple]

overall higher stats past level 20 and over 25% hp seems good

or am i misunderstanding schooling?

[grave jolt]

Actually I think I misread it

I thought it started in schooling then became solo

[silent acorn]

Alright I need to start taking some points because I gave too many 3s

[opal steeple]

i think it only leaves schooling if it drops below 25% hp but that can be countered with aqua ring

[hardy tartan]

r u sure

maybe you gave the right amount of 3s

[silent acorn]

Mightyena lost its 3 now

I am gonna play Russian roulette and In case you wanna stop me make your case

Zangoose and Seviper next on chopping block

[hardy tartan]

you mean just regular roulette?

[grave jolt]

It enters battle, schooling then activates in battle, then it goes back to normal if it exits battle or drops below 25%hp

[grizzled hatch]

How do I vote?

[silent acorn]

Yup. So no objections on this one?

[opal steeple]

if its gen 7 wishiwashi since no gen 8mon, aqua ring is level 17

[opal steeple]

pinned messages theres a link

[hardy tartan]

...i think it's worm bedtime. i don't know why i'm being asked

[silent acorn]

Lol alright Sevuper gets the seppuku treatment

For castform lovers I did 1. Because to this day I don't know how stable it's form changing would be in battle

[grave jolt]

It would probably be like necrosma but broken

[novel bough]

the dick and balls pokemon

[weak trellis]

I mean only normal form's like that for what it's worth

[snow scroll]

i won't stand for this slander

[hardy tartan]

swarm of voltorb
cascading down like a broken gumball machine

[novel bough]

i only speak the truth

[opal steeple]

isnt castform weather fusions quite similiar to the monkey sages potential?

[snow scroll]

you sit on a throne of LIES

[weak trellis]

I still find it funny about castform that GF had to Give it shinies

because HOME changed the shinies on both it and minor but GO had already used the home's sunny form's shiny for an event before GF got around to changing it back so it got to keep the new shiny forms (minor was not so lucky sadly)

[grave jolt]

Horde of Castform creating the shape of a hurricane

[weak trellis]

before that, only normal form castform had a shiny

[opal steeple]

you worship a book of delusion

[tribal sand]

I keep getting excited for these votes and then I remember they don't let them add any of the cool pokemon

[opal steeple]

wishiwashi is cool

[grave jolt]

True. I want my cat team

[novel bough]

torkoal should already be in the game

[weak trellis]

castform also brings forecast to the table for mid-battle form changing

[opal steeple]

he just a popular fish man

[weak trellis]

...except it's manual weather setting, not automatic.
(unless you're in doubles and have a partner that does it which could be fun)

[opal steeple]

how would form changing work with fused sprites?

[grave jolt]

Sandstorm go burr

[weak trellis]

probably the same way the other ones do, in which they don't change

[tough compass]

tropius should get in imo

[opal steeple]

makes sense, dont know what i was thinking

[dusky owl]

a little rain cloud above the sprite that changes based on the weather, like promethus and zeus from OP

[molten loom]

Or maybe in the way ultra necrozma works

[dusky owl]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-pixel-pixel-art-fanart-fanmade-gif-2751552529933202472

[inner night]

Spinda

[opal steeple]

worst pick ive seen today

[hardy tartan]

okay so
is there anything gulpin and swalot bring to the table that muk doesn't?

[grave jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/pachirisu-pokemon-gif-19673442

[opal steeple]

that would be sick

[molten loom]

Memes that aren't needed

[opal steeple]

a super big mouth for errrrr, perfectly pg fusions

[grave jolt]

Nah, muk has those covered too.

[hardy tartan]

🤔 surprised i haven't seen a lot of propaganda for helioptile

[alpine rune]

I think I need to make a competitive propaganda poster to make people participate in showdown doubles tour

[molten loom]

That's because I already voted it 3

[grave jolt]

What type even is helioptile?

[hardy tartan]

electric, i think

[sour stream]

that too, but i like chonky centaurs

[wide ridge]

electric normal

[molten loom]

Electric/normal

[grave jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/goomy-goop-realm-pokemon-goodra-lemon-demon-gif-27013083

[opal steeple]

helioptiles design is kind of basic though, unless you base fused sprites on more of a concept bases of absorbing sunlight rather than lizard with disk neck

[grave jolt]

Rotom Solar

[hardy tartan]

🤔 think i've also seen more propaganda for avalugg than carbink

[tough compass]

actually there are a few i have in mind like gastrodon, gigalith, sawsbuck, amoonguss, Toucannon, mudsdale, salazzle, turtonator

[bitter comet]

I haven’t seen any propaganda for either

[wide ridge]

Tbh given what i’ve seen spriters do, im not all that concerned with something being ‘basic’

[molten loom]

I didn't vote it 3 expecting it to win, I voted it because I like it

[tough compass]

i could list more but those are like, the ones i want most

[cinder pollen]

I would love to see Seviper 😄

[tough compass]

sad that starters are not in this vote :c

[bitter comet]

Man, I did the same thing with Excadrill

[opal steeple]

exadrill is the goat though

[grave jolt]

Id like to see the starters 😦

[dusky owl]

cutting two mons in half and stitching them together is pretty boring tho, you can only do that so many times before it gets old

[wide ridge]

devs realized that making them options, along side legends and whatnot would overwhelm the votes bias wise

[tough compass]

serperior and something like salamence would go crazy

[opal steeple]

a scizor excadrill fusion would look so sick, drills for hands and like a drill esque hood

[hardy tartan]

y'know, i think i'm gonna bump up my vote for torkoal
cool engine sprites

[opal steeple]

kind if like an edgy assasin vibe

[tough compass]

yeah, the votes would lean towards them, but if stakataka was an option i'd choose it immediately

[bitter comet]

It is I just can’t really think of any good fusions for it so I feel like that would be a minus point for a lot of people
(Granted I could just be uncreative)

[grave jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/super-smash-bros-animal-crossing-incineroar-pokemon-isabelle-gif-15053637

[wide ridge]

im absolutely praying for Floatzel (purely out of bias since its my favorite pokemon), Salazzle, Tropius, Lumineon, Serviper, Zebstrika, and Vespiquen!

and especially Wishiwashi

[silent acorn]

I'd imagine you would do it for the PRAISE THE SUN reference

[bitter comet]

That would look pretty sick

[tough compass]

finally another tropius chooserwrong guy oops

[hardy tartan]

that's kinda why the starters aren't in the vote XD they'd landslide
they'll get their own thing, according to the announcement posts

[hardy tartan]

i thought gogoat was the goat

[molten loom]

I'm curious if the special vote will have unique options to vote for

[tough compass]

finally another tropius chooser

[hardy tartan]

probably not

[minor anvil]

Speaking of Tropius... https://youtu.be/ujjinY0AFWw?feature=shared

[tough compass]

is there an actual voting thing at the moment though?

[grave jolt]

Someday, we were also told that last vote a year ago

[hazy fable]

what can tropius actually contribute to fusions?

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/nick-miller-new-girl-jake-johnson-ew-no-gif-16761984

[hot hamlet]

Yes

[opal steeple]

we love wishiwashi!, floatzel fusions could be funny, like a water type fish that awkwardly floats above water as it now inexplicably has a life vest

[tough compass]

dinosaur

[wide ridge]

long neck dino, fruit theming, dino capable of flight

[silent acorn]

Menanas

We have actual fudging dinosaur for christ sake

[hazy fable]

its just an exeggcutor that has Jumpluff typing

[molten loom]

This is something I thought about for several of my 3 votes

[dusky owl]

wishiwashi x beedril = beedril swarm

[silent acorn]

We have Meganium, we have aurorus goddamnit

[molten loom]

Like Vivillon

[grave jolt]

Let's get Archen in so we can have actual dinosaurs in the game

[hot hamlet]

Schooling form makes a giant bee out of smaller Beedrill

[wide ridge]

whats wrong with more? : D

[clear island]

If I believe hard enough, Golisopod will be added and I can get sick kamen rider fusions

[hazy fable]

Id rather have spinda than tropius

[opal steeple]

gardevoir tropius with some questionable bannana placement

[silent acorn]

Listen bud I love dinos as much as the next guy but even I know when to stop

[minor anvil]

Wishiwashi's ability doesn't really work with fusions, they'd have to fogure something out about that

[molten loom]

https://tenor.com/view/modern-family-spray-squirt-annoyed-irritated-gif-4445288

[opaque turret]

what if we made rookidee into a gen 7 pokemon KAppa

[clear island]

also, a reality where golisopod can exist without fricking emergency exit ruining stuff is just the best.

[hot hamlet]

I just want people to make more Dino nugget fusions. If it takes Tropius to do that, then so be it

[tough compass]

people actually like tropius though

[opal steeple]

i speak the thoughts of the many and you cast me aside like filth

[silent acorn]

Alright going down on that one

[jagged herald]

voting for furfrou and shellos bc i love them but i think in my heart wishiwashi would have the coolest fusions

[bitter comet]

Hell yeah man.

[wide ridge]

well they put wishiwashi on the list so clearly they are prepared to plan that one out at least

[hardy tartan]

y'know, my immediately thought on that was a Josephine Baker reference
with her famous banana skirt

[molten loom]

https://tenor.com/view/water-spray-stop-sprinkle-water-gif-12639877674493562634

[opal steeple]

im starting to get onm board with tropius ngl

[silent acorn]

My god I never freaking understood why.

Like it's from the Gen with the most based as hell pokemon of the series. It's loooooooong eaten the dust of like 6 gens and it still nothing, it has like.... Basically nothing going on

[hazy fable]

sure tropius is better than monkeys

[grave jolt]

It's not

[clear island]

If Emergency exit triggered at the end of the turn, it would actually be a really good ability, especially with a mon as tanky and hard hitting as golisopod. As he is, without first impression, Goliso has to pray he has type advantage on the matchup to stay in to actually use any move that isnt first impression.

[wide ridge]

but yeah, one big factor of Tropius would def be the fruit theming. Afterall in lore tropius can grow a lot more than bananas

[hazy fable]

but still there are better choices than banana tree

[silent acorn]

Are you guys seriously gonna waste the ONE VOTE we have on that... Come on dude

[opal steeple]

tropius itself is pretty basic but it could lead to some interesting plant dino fusions

[bitter comet]

It was from GEN 6?? I thought it was like from GEN 3 or something lol

[silent acorn]

6 gens and nothing. Literally nothing has changed about it

[clear island]

Aesthetically I love tropius but I'm gonna still have to vote for one of the gen 7 bugs

[bitter comet]

Ah mb

[minor anvil]

9 - 6 = 3

[tough compass]

tropius got the short end of the stick and just happened to be in a gen with other really good pokemon, put it in gen 7 then you'll see why people like it so much, it's like the only good tropical pokemon

[bitter comet]

Speaking of which what gen was the long neck flying banana Dino from?

[wide ridge]

Why would somethin be a wasted vote? Its free content no matter what and even pokemon i didnt really care about like Bruxish made some pretty awesome fusions anywho.

[silent acorn]

Yeah... Sure... Better than freaking lurantis with the sun blade, contrary, badass design, and actually fun grass mon

[clear island]

Araquanid, ribombee, vikavolt and golisopod just have more interesting options to me than the banana dino

[minor anvil]

Gen 3? A gen with really good pokemon? Eh, not if you drop the legendaries and pseudos lol.

[silent acorn]

See man. We have better options

[opal steeple]

i still think excadrill is huge, you could take the drill theme into like a big drill lnace and refrence some cool stuff, like noelle in black clover if fused with a water type

[hardy tartan]

||i am leery of people accidentally creating racist designs with tropius and jynx||
this... might be the phantoms of 1am Worm though

[bitter comet]

The bird from GEN three was not good in my opinion

[clear island]

I agree, but I'm picking for me. and bug types are my favorite pokemon aesthetically, so I want my sick golisopod fusions

[silent acorn]

Are you really gonna make a blind eye to Metagross, Salamance, Aggron and even Pelipper for crying outloud

Hell Altaria was the spriter favorite last time

[molten loom]

This channel is really just for discourse

[minor anvil]

Aesthetically gen 3 is pretty good but viability wise they mostly suffer from being slow mixed attackers

[opal steeple]

its 5 am for me just reached 24 hours since last sleep

[finite needle]

Metagross and Salamance are pseudos

[tough compass]

all i have to say is, ice type regional variant of tropius with an evo would go crazy

[clear island]

I resepct a lot of those choices but pelipper is a wild one to choose.

[molten loom]

Like 99% of voters won't even look in here

[bitter comet]

Man, I thought Salamance was is like from GEN six

[silent acorn]

I voted for that, I love the Gen 7 bugs

[clear island]

Its just a tropius with a refridgerator strapped to his neck.

[grave jolt]

Pachirisu would have better choices than Araquanid

[tough compass]

pokemon would NOT let that slide

[wide ridge]

I mean, afterall whatever pokemon wins is because a majority of the community wanted it so…Kinda no such thing as a wasted vote, whoever wins will make most of the community happy, and thats fine with me! : D

[bitter comet]

But yes Aggron supremacy!

[finite needle]

I’m rooting for Minior, Scraggy (imagine the hoodies), and Archen

[opal steeple]

tropius but the fruits take longer to ripe

[plain geode]

Golisopod go brrrr

[silent acorn]

What did I say? Aggron is the metal pokemon

[clear island]

Never been a fan of the pika clones

[minor anvil]

Golisopod is my special boy

[tough compass]

what about emolga? it's so cute

[clear island]

Imagine a golisopod fused with electavire.

[hardy tartan]

Scraggy was one of my favorites in Black so i'm trying to figure out if i'd want it because of fusion potential or if i want it because i like it

[silent acorn]

Fair point on this rivalry. Archeops vs Minior. They are the most direct competitors.

[bitter comet]

Man, Aggron/Golisopod would make a killer fusion

[wooden steppe]

Im praying drilbur gets in

[grave jolt]

And I never understood the existence of Araquanid, so it's even.

[tough compass]

archeops WITHOUT defeatist

[clear island]

To be totally fair, of the two araquanid is my least favorite, but I do think his ability is hilarious

[minor anvil]

Araquanid stronk

[silent acorn]

It has an interesting ability, but to be honest I don't what to think of it

[inland jewel]

I was making a list of what each pokemon offered as value. Its incomplete since I really gotta go to bed but here it is.

[wide ridge]

i will say, two of my more sleeper picks for the vote is Lumineon

Idk, aquatic themed fusions with a neon vibe just sounds sick!

[grave jolt]

Archeops with HA mold breaker

[silent acorn]

Wow man... Calling my boy Staraptor a Dupe when it still kicks more ass then most of the birds

[tough compass]

anything is better than defeatist bro

[opal steeple]

i feel like pachirisu girl may be biased towards pachirisu so i dont know wether to trust her pachirisu over araqaunid arguments

[tough compass]

ok maybe not anything

[opal steeple]

slow start

[silent acorn]

I dont wanna get started on pachirisu, it was on that competition alongside a Garchomp so I don't count it for anything

[tough compass]

that's why i changed my mind lol

[visual wyvern]

Slow Start and Truant are definitely worse

[inland jewel]

hope this is better

[clear island]

Of all of the regional birds, Staraptor has always been probably the most overpowered for his weight class. That thing is a flying normal type with intimidate and it learns both bravebird and close combat. For a normal gen 4 run, that thing absolutely rolls a solid chunk of the game.

[visual wyvern]

Anyways, I'm not allowed that active, is there a list anywhere of just. Every Pokémon who has yet to be added?

[sleek osprey]

Guys, gals, and non binary pals i bring to the table the idea of adding Roggenrola

[grave jolt]

No

[sleek osprey]

Well it was worth a shot

[grave jolt]

Not without crustle

[inland jewel]

no actual list anywhere, but the tierlists i posted has them all

[opal steeple]

i think gigalith could have some fusion sprites

[hardy tartan]

you didn't put roggenrola as dupe?

[tough compass]

yes

[bitter comet]

Would be cool. Specially, with any Pokémon with a crystal aesthetic.

[inland jewel]

Dupes aesthetically to Geodude, ability to Tyranitar

[clear island]

giggilith would make for some absolutely sick artwork but I'm still going to bat for golisopod

[visual wyvern]

WAIT
MY BOY TOXICROAK ISN'T IN THE GAME?!
COME ON GUYS WHY IS THERE EVEN A DISCUSSION

[tough compass]

gigalith and carbink in if would actually be really good, design wise

[silent acorn]

Still freaking reliable, can't top that without changing the typying

[opal steeple]

big mountain with , are they crystals? , as a concept would be fun to mess around with

[silent acorn]

Because tropius exist and some people just can't move past that

[grave jolt]

Because Pachirisu exists and is vastly superior

[ocean mirage]

if I had to choose only 5 pokemon that would be candidates, it would be Heatran, Bronzong, Dragalge, Excadrill and Malamar.

[inland jewel]

Because the game is allergic to adding new fighting types

[clear island]

Always has been. No regional bird since has had so much going for it making up for their okish typings except maybe the gen 6 one.

[tough compass]

toxicroak is a poison dart frog on 2 legs, and it's better than tropius?

[bitter comet]

Man, now imagine that with the ability that removes recoil damage

[opal steeple]

no shot you actually put worst pika clone over toad ninja poison guy

[silent acorn]

Toucannon is... Kinda ok? I still prefer the rebel vibe of Staraptor

[inland jewel]

I would love to add staraptor, but we don't need another normal or flying type

[visual wyvern]

Tropius and Pachirisu are one Pokémon each.
Why are One-Stage Pokémon even in the discussion?

[minor anvil]

Staraptor isn't just stronger than Pigeot it also looks cooler

[tough compass]

i thought staraptor was in the game tbh

[grave jolt]

Well, I am Pachirisu Girl

[inland jewel]

those two alongside water are the most types in the game

[silent acorn]

For real, Pachirisu only has had that bulk be used once well

[opal steeple]

toucannon sprites where they use the idea of beak break and like an explosion type thing could be cool

[clear island]

One of my favorite mons in the game in theory is rampardos, because if that thing had better speed and rock head it would be unstoppable

[silent acorn]

Anybody would , I mean luxray is...

[silent acorn]

Rampardos is badass looking and with fusions is cooler

[wide ridge]

man kinda wish they considered adding gens 8-9 pokemon to possibilities, had some neat fighting types

[hardy tartan]

can't because engine limitations

[inland jewel]

Fusions help Rampardos be so much better.

[full pike]

A fairy type legendary would be great, like Xerneas or Zacian

[molten loom]

Not in the voting options

[opal steeple]

ye but then wishiwashi would get aqua ring at 36 instead of 17 and we all know wishiwashi will win and aqua ring before schooling is goated

[clear island]

Why on earth they gave a monster with that high of an attack stat and such a clear purpose the worst weaknesses ever I will never get. Its slow, has no defenses other than ok HP, and it takes SO much damage from its own unique move that its gonna die no matter what.

[silent acorn]

Gotta nerf it somehow

[minor anvil]

So it can have monstrous attack while still being bad