pif-hoenn-discussion

[stuck bane]

didn't make the top of the general vote, spriter vote, or raffle, this list is only if you put a gun to my head and said "make everyone happy with 20 slots per batch", it's not my personal list

[white meadow]

But Raffle isnt make everyone happy only a handfull of people
I saw way more Gogoat love than Chimecho or Shaymin

[stuck bane]

still made the raffle, if I were frog I'd give them more consideration because some of my best spriters wanted them

[white meadow]

Or the wire christmas tree

[white meadow]

You cant say a Raffle winner is one of the best spriters
There are fantastic spriters that never had the luck to win a contest, even tho they have way mire better sprites than the contest winners

For example Hero.Drawing or Sadfrog they are amazing and even better than some long time spriters

[stuck bane]

thats true but frog decided to give each of them a chance to get their favorite mon in the game so obviously it holds some weight to him, even if it is just to drive competition for contests. even then, you should notice that most of the raffle mons are near the end because yeah raffle shouldn't hold all the weight, heck even the second batch I made ignored raffle mons completely.

[white meadow]

Ofc but as Blaquaza once said some raffle mons were in awefull spots in the voting
Lets say a troll won and wanted one of the element monkey is that valid too?

[stuck bane]

hell yeah best addition ever (I am a unova fan desperately seeking representation for my favorite region)

[white meadow]

I love Unova too but I also think what is good/best for the games main gimmik and what most could like

[stuck bane]

I'll take monkeys, I'll take alomomola, hell I'll even take basculin, you need to understand that, at the time of the next vote being announced, having only 25% of your favorite region in the game and having most of it ignored to only recieve scolipede and garbodor was hell

meloetta was a miracle for unova fans

(also I think monkeys would make the most hilarous april fools day prank, whenever you start your game on april 1st you always get one of the monekys as your starter, it'd be so hilarous)

[white meadow]

But than atleast getting interesting ones not the monkey

[stuck bane]

THAT IS EXACTLY HOW I FELT! Gigalith, Eelektross, Musharna, Zebstrika, Excadrill, Leavanny, Lilligant, Darmanitan, Scrafty, Crustle, Fossils, and so many more. I got excited when the second mon announced was scolipede, and I was like "surely they'll have more great options from unova, there's so many!" and then another announcement, and another, and another, again, and again, and again, even during the bonus blitz I was like "surely THIS is the time at least one more unova mon has to get in! at least let us get half of what hoenn/kalos/alola got, just 1 more mon!" and it never came, during the raffle all the unova picks were good options, but if literally anything from unova was there I would've supported it 100%, that's how bad it was.

so it would be nice to get all the good picks from unova, but beggars can't be choosers, I'll take what I can get at this point

[hushed mantle]

Slurpuff is too low for being in the top 10 on the spriter poll

[stuck bane]

Did you read the spriter vote? It didn’t make the spriter vote, it’s only there because of the raffle

[hushed mantle]

Maybe i confused it with another pokemon

[stuck bane]

Uhh hold up lemme get it

[hushed mantle]

But it’s still too low tho

[stuck bane]

So you want Slurpuff up higher? It should be lucky it’s getting in the 4th batch at all, there are so many things better than Slurpuff

[hushed mantle]

There’s no way crustle is a better option than slurpuff, if it was there it’s most likely because someone that made sprites for all the new pokemon voted for it

[stuck bane]

Crustle literally made the spriter vote, look at it

And my boy didn’t do too bad either, above seviper and archeops? Not bad

[hushed mantle]

You gotta note that spriters that made the biggest amounts of sprites could basically add there any pokemon they want, basically their votes counted x12 times a normal vote would. But honestly I wasn’t expecting that too

[stuck bane]

Still means they’re a valuable spriter, if anything they should get more vote power considering, if I were frog, they literally can make the most sprites for me in the shortest amount of time possible

[hushed mantle]

Also, no new fairy type has been added, so slurpuff is probably the best option for that in terms of sprite design

[stuck bane]

Primarina is literally in the first batch, not to mention as we’ve talked about, there’s better fairy types like Florges and ribombee

[hushed mantle]

Florges would just add the theme of flowers, which many pokemon like bellossom and sunflora already have, and ribombee is ehhhh… just something i’m not particularly interested in

[feral bear]

We need to stop the slurpuff slander!!!!! Everybody knows its top tier!!!

https://tenor.com/view/iyanla-not-on-my-watch-gif-4691452

[stuck bane]

It literally only made the raffle! How high do you want this thing? At the very least I’m gonna argue not first batch since fairies need to be spread out, and they have to come with aromatisse to put some duct tape over people complaining about counterparts

[feral bear]

Aromatisse and slurpuff are desparately needed because we have very few fairy heads!!

[mystic crystal]

Slurpuff would be amazing! Cute desert fusions; what's not to love?

Sure slurpuff on it's own is... pretty bad; but the fusion potential is top tier 👌

[stuck bane]

You wanna know what else makes a good fairy head? The fairy type with the highest special defense in the game

[feral bear]

But we already have flowers!!!!

[hushed mantle]

Florges is just gardevoir as a flower

[stuck bane]

People said same thing about meloetta and look where we are

[feral bear]

I am personally not impressed with meloetta tbh

[mystic crystal]

I mean, let's not pit two fairy queens against each other. We can have our cake and flowers too

[hushed mantle]

The raffle’s vote does not take the opinion from the people

[feral bear]

I just wanna make fairy sableyes

[stuck bane]

Exactly, so the other 2 vote methods (that we know about) should come before it, which they are

Again, this is only if you put a gun to my head and force me to make a list, trying to make everyone happy with what little info we were given it’s not my personal list

[hushed mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/diancie-pokemon-kalos-6thgen-gif-gif-18312916

[feral bear]

Shes rock

[stuck bane]

Diancie is also a good one too

Diancie is a fairy too

[hushed mantle]

But only as a body

[stuck bane]

Oh that’s what you meant by fairy heads I see

[feral bear]

Yea but i cant make a sableye with her palette that is fairy

It would just look like a sableye with her lower body, i specialize in sableye bodies partially for this reason

[stuck bane]

Wait are there literally no fairy heads besides the pure fairy types?

[hushed mantle]

Yes, and togekiss

[feral bear]

Sylvie

Sylvie, clefairy line and togekiss line only currently

[hushed mantle]

And granbull

[feral bear]

Oop yea forgot that one

[stuck bane]

Oh my lord togetic and togekiss are the only dual type fairy type heads, nothing else is wtf

[hushed mantle]

We need more physical fairy types, they literally had to ban mimikyu’s ability only for him to be allowed to be used because there is no other good physical fairy

[stuck bane]

I mean at this point hope frog pulls a trevenant with some of the unadded dual type fairies because this is atrocious

[feral bear]

I just want aromatisse tbh slurpie def has potential but its not my fav

[lethal reef]

Reject slurpuff, add Comfey instead
More fairy AND more flowers to play with 👌

[hollow creek]

Im surprised this chat is still active

[stuck bane]

in fact what is the most fairy type heads we could possibly have?

we currently have Clefable, Togekiss, Granbull, and Sylveon

potential: Florges, Aromatisse, Slurpuff, Xerneas, and Comfey

.... so it doesn't seem like an issue of "we need more fairy type heads", it's more an issue of "almost no fairy type heads exist"

and on that note, comfey also seems like a good option: good defense, special defense, and speed, triage could be kind of crazy depending on the fusion, and it's the only fairy type to get natural cure. only fairy type to get flower shield, and the only mon to get floral healing

[hollow creek]

I would really like comfey in infinite fusion, great palette, the body might be hard to work with but I think you could do some creative stuff with it

Triage is also a super cool ability

[alpine rune]

Comfey imo has the hardest design to work with

Its shape is very similar to klefki, and flower motif is very much everywhere, even more apparent with the pink orocorio

As much as I hate to admit, I feel like Aromatisse brings a lot on the table, even if I don't really like it's design very much

I mean I could say the same with xerneas but hey I tend to get legendaries out of any discussion

They're usually going to be great design and gameplay wise

[sterile spoke]

Slurpuff yes, 100%. No to Aromatisse, though. 😛

Ribombee's better than Aromatisse. 😉

[alpine rune]

i forgot that exist

[sterile spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/shaking-my-head-damn-gif-13070308

[alpine rune]

To be fair chief, I never used it outside of ranbats

in ranbats its just sticky web quiver dance moonblat bugbuzz

[sterile spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/personal-problem-sips-tea-kermit-but-thats-none-of-my-business-sounds-like-a-personal-problem-gif-12085884

[white meadow]

Ribonbee is only kinda good cuz it has the Bug and Fairy type what we lack
Spriting it isnt as fun as you would think it is

Thats why we should get Golisopod he is the better and more stilish gen 7 bug

https://tenor.com/view/golisopod-sword-gif-19275449

[sterile spoke]

Yes it is, I made two sprites for it and it was fun. 🙂

[stuck bane]

Sorry but no, Golisopod is obviously great, but that’s no grounds to say ribombee has nothing going for it: good special attack and great speed, only fairy type to get shield dust, and it’s the only Mon to naturally get pollen puff

[sterile spoke]

It's cute. 😄

Now Golisopod, that'd be a nightmare to sprite. 😛

[white meadow]

I tried doing it with diffrent mons but hell I hated it!

[white meadow]

I had a easyer time spriting Golisopod fusions

[stuck bane]

Skill issue?

[sterile spoke]

It's much more detailed, which makes it inherently more difficult. 😂

[white meadow]

I didnt say it has nothing going for it only that it isnt fun to sprite imo

But Ribombee has such a small body to work on with many extras like long arms and legs, wings, head, scarf etc etc

[sterile spoke]

Nah, it's got a fun scarf, that's always fun. 🙂

[white meadow]

Man you got me I probably just dont have any spriting experience yet

[stuck bane]

It’s why I put a question mark, idk if it is skill issue, but it’s got stick figure arms and a giant head, it seems like it’d be easy to sprite considering a moderator who’s been here since 2020 is saying it’s easy

[white meadow]

I dont think so tho
Its easy when you use simple mons and so kinda recognizable like the Driftloon example.
But imagine makeing a fusion with Like Torterra or anything complex that doesnt share features and still keep it somewhat recognizable on both sides!

Even Turtwig or lets say if we get Stunky wouldnt be too easy to make good looking fusions and still keep them recognizable

[stuck bane]

Oh actually ribombee torterra sounds awesome actually, for like a garden of ribombee and stuff, as for torterra ribombee, torterra also has a pretty round head, so just slap that on ribombee’s bobblehead sized head and you’re good

[white meadow]

I see why Blaquaza wants them but obviously you can make a good example useing a pokemon with a easy designe and similiar features

[sterile spoke]

Make the scarf leaves, turn the wings into trees, add tiny claws to the limbs. 😉

[white meadow]

Its not a bad mon
Not at all the Unova Monkeys are worse imo, but I dont see them on such a high level as they get put atm

[stuck bane]

Wait, who besides me do you think is actually putting monkeys on a high pedestal? And I’m literally only doing it because unova, I don’t think they’d make super unique sprites

[white meadow]

But think of how similiar it looks when they are the body

[stuck bane]

Stop dodging the question, who on earth is actually fighting for monkeys I need to speak with them it’s very urgent

[merry anvil]

guys tyrantrum and amaura lines are obitainable by fossils? how to find them?

[white meadow]

I remember there was someone before you but idk who

[stuck bane]

Our first clue!

[white meadow]

In Safron in the Restaurant
I hope the city was called safron

[white meadow]

Something cool about the Monkeys is they would be a good candidat for a Tripple fusion

[stuck bane]

Yeah but idk how possible that would be (unless the April fools starter thing did happen) since frog doesn’t want to hand triple fusions Willy nilly, if hitmon line can’t get it monkeys almost certainly can’t

[brisk vessel]

I am morally obligated to support Golisopod because of how many Golisopod fans supported me during my Meloetta campaign

Though all in all I don't really care for whatever else gets added at this point since I got the main thing I wanted

(But besides Golisopod, Archeops would also be nice though)

[sterile spoke]

Archeops is an unbased addition. 😛

[brisk vessel]

I will still support the big G man when he needs it (the next mon vote)

[brisk vessel]

Nuh uh
He's a dinosaur (dinosaurs are always cool)

[stuck bane]

Frankly yeah, I can’t do much besides vote but Golisopod deserves support after the help they gave us

[white meadow]

Well whole NGS supported Meloetta

[brisk vessel]

Exactly
So when the next vote comes out I will most likely support Golisopod

It is the least I could do

[white meadow]

Only Sadfrog fears it cuz he dont want to deal with his Aerodactyl group again

[stuck bane]

Unpopular opinion: I would be moderately happy with any Pokémon announced because it gets us 1 step closer to entirety of Gen 7 randomized nuzlockes

[brisk vessel]

Yea idrm whatever else gets in at this point

[white meadow]

Well he is more open to it now
Its stated that when someone makes a tripple and gives a good reason it might get added

The main mons I want atm are Golisopod and Gogoat

[stuck bane]

Man we’re struggling to find reasons to add monkeys in the first place how on earth are we gonna convince him they deserve a triple fusion? Unless that triple fusion was a reference of cilan/chili/cress behind the triple fused monkey but even that is stretching it

[brisk vessel]

I guess it's the fact they are a trio by design

The problem comes with actually adding them in the first place

[white meadow]

Cuz they actually make sense
Similiar strength
Trio
Similiar looks even
I feel like they would have great chances to become a tripple and makeing a Legendary 3 type Mobkey

[stuck bane]

Like really, only other thing that monkeys have going for them is simipour being a surprising champion in multiple BW monotype nuzlockes, but even then that’s only argument for simipour

[feral bear]

https://tenor.com/view/cant-see-haters-vesna-zmijanac-turbofolk-sun-glasses-gif-10489337

[stuck bane]

So flygon peaked my curiousity, and turns out there were a handful of other Pokémon that were given abilities they normally don’t get in game (according to the calculator):

Unown (mummy)
Flygon (dry skin)
Regigigas (mold breaker)
Darkrai (white smoke)
Hydreigon (hustle)
Zekrom (volt absorb)
Reshiram (flare boost)
Kyurem (ice body)
Genesect (motor drive)

I mean at this point I wouldn’t be surprised if they open the floodgates and gave meloetta dancer as a HA

[white meadow]

can I fuse pokemons but the pokemons I used don't disappear?

[sterile spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/bunny-what-emote-gif-23702501

[stuck bane]

Did… did you not know about these?

[sterile spoke]

I don't know what you're talking about. 😂

[stuck bane]

Check calculator

According to the calculator at least these are the HAs these guys get, even though they normally only get the one in game

[sterile spoke]

Oh, that is weird. 😮

[stuck bane]

Yep: both calculators show it, so unless they’re wrong it’s somehow possible to get mold breaker on gigas

[sterile spoke]

I'm actually currently doing a project where I buff Pokémon stats and give (almost) every Pokémon three abilities. 🙂

[prime dust]

it is wrong unless that was a change made for IF

Regigigas only has Slow Start as an ability

[brisk vessel]

This is what was done

[near spoke]

Isnt the below one supposed to be HA?

[brisk vessel]

There are a lot of PIF exclusive changes to certain Pokemon's abilites

[brisk vessel]

It is

Regigigas does not have a HA normally

[white meadow]

give scrappy to pirouette meloetta, it's gonna be balanced trust 👍

[white meadow]

Who do know when there adding more pokemon like rockuff

[stuck bane]

Well since you’re out of the loop, most recent confirmation is meloetta, but we don’t know when it’ll be added, beyond that more Pokémon are likely to come in the future at an unannounced date

[stuck bane]

Fair enough, pirouette makes more sense with dancer, but also flygon makes more sense with sand stream instead of dry skin, so it’s possible

[silent acorn]

Oh you can do that Blaq?

Man that sounds fun, I wonder how I could manually change vital spirit from Lycanroc

[silent acorn]

We already have Rockruff

[stuck bane]

randomized abilities mode when

[silent acorn]

That actually bustedly fun

https://tenor.com/view/sign-me-up-raising-hand-indiana-jones-the-last-crusade-gif-1512073023864013005

But seriously we need to balance the order of things and make single player busted so the try hards get jealous

[prime dust]

same time we get the too many types crossover

[stuck bane]

so I made a list that is 100% pure bias, ignoring fusion potential and mechanics and all that stuff, this is just what I want, worked out well for some people in the previous vote so I figured I'd throw my hat in the ring as well, maybe some of them will appear in the future:

[young quarry]

that would be so hype

[swift bison]

https://www.deviantart.com/catwolf1266/gallery/73818540/kanto-cosmog-project and https://www.deviantart.com/catwolf1266/gallery/73818546/johto-cosmog-project . Two reasons for Cosmog to join PIF.

[serene silo]

Hey what is mixed with empoleon

Vibrava?

[white meadow]

I mainly like additions that have a lot to add gameplay-wise.
Like Archeops is one of my favorite mons, but outside of some potentially cool move tutor moves, I don't really see what it adds to the table given that we have Aerodactyl, another Rock/Flying type with a great ability and high speed. Sp. Attacking Rock-types I guess maybe? But then we already have the Shell Smash Omanyte line.
Meanwhile we only have one Harvest mon currently (Exeggutor), which makes me really like the prospect of Tropius coming to the game and what it can contribute. Similar story with Heatran, being the only Steel-type with Flash Fire, and allowing for a whole host of Bug/Steel and Grass/Steel types without their biggest weakness.

Shields Down from Minior also sounds like a lot of fun.

Technician Tail Slap Minccino

[stuck bane]

The biggest thing archeops offers is a greater design and higher BST than Aerodactyl, especially as one of the last fossils, and being on the top 10 spriter vote, and being on the raffle twice, archeops def has potential, just maybe not as much as other rock/flying types.

Exeggutor isn’t our only harvest Mon, trevenant is here too, though tropius is the only flying type with access to harvest.

Heatran would not only be so goated because it’s awesome, but flash fire on a steel type could improve viability of a ton of bug types, similar to Emolga being a flying type with motor drive

Minior is also good, we’ve argued even better than archeops, and cinccino won’t be our only normal type technician user, but still has merit as it’s an overworld Mon and would bring chinchilla fusions

[prime dust]

wrong channel, that is either a #gameplay-help or #playthrough-talk question

[misty flower]

Is there a list somewhere of pokemon that will be added in the next update?

[lament tundra]

Here's the full list:

Meloetta

And Regigigas does have Mold Breaker as a Hidden Ability in this. Also, Delibird has Snow Warning. Just little bonuses.

[fallen loom]

No way that's accurate! Wimpod line was SO CLOSE to getting in

list it next time

also nice Gen 5 bias

[sullen elbow]

Btw archeops was twice in the raffle because the same person won twice not because its that popular that two people voted for it

[stuck bane]

Yes but it still won twice, even if it was the same person

[vague oar]

You’re lacking Torkoal

[prime dust]

note the 100% bias

[stuck bane]

what part about 100% bias do you not understand, torkoal is fine, but I wouldn't commit murder to try and get it in

[prime dust]

but would you do it for a klondike bar

[stuck bane]

.... how much is the klondike bar worth?

[prime dust]

about 3 dollars and fifty cents

[vague oar]

That’s okay but you’re still lacking Torkoal

[white meadow]

I feel like Torkoal/Gogoat could look amazing

[vague oar]

If I’m still a manager for the next wave of mons, I’ll do everything in my power for Torkoal to be the Pokémon number 470

[white meadow]

Why 470?

[vague oar]

And if it gets in, it’ll be a 1% encounter on some fishing spots just cause of the gif

[vague oar]

Cause it’ll be the first one of the new wave

[white meadow]

Maybe around the SSAnne, kindle island village and Cinabar cuz he jumped off a boat

[vague oar]

https://tenor.com/view/pokmon-kill-me-im-out-gif-18142494

[white meadow]

exactly

[stuck bane]

Try recounting, pirouette is only 467… unless you know something we don’t?

[vague oar]

||Fuck ||

https://tenor.com/view/none-of-this-ever-happened-monster-inc-never-happened-monsters-inc-roze-monsters-inc-monsters-inc-gif-21608968

[hushed mantle]

The MONKEYS???

[stuck bane]

Best list of all time, handful of favorites followed by literally the entirety of unova

[hushed mantle]

Ah that makes more sense

[silent acorn]

Oh nice my boi you got lilligant and Staraptor hell yes. To be honest Heatran isn't biased at all Flash Fire Bug/Steel would be really freaking OP

[stuck bane]

Even if it didn’t have that I’d still pick heatran, one was on my team as a kid and is one of my favorite fire types

[silent acorn]

I think if the other top choices at the spriters don't make it through vote I think archeops won't have such a huge chance

If say the top 10 above archeops make it through vote it could have a chance

The thing is not everyone used it nor considers it more than sort of the regional aerodactyl of unova

Not using it I always though it was kinda lame

[hushed mantle]

if y’all could add all the pokemon from a region (including the bad ones), which region would it be?

[silent acorn]

Sinnoh

Unova has the shitastic basculin and that one is a waste.

Sinnoh has lots of poison types, good one offs, and other stuff.

[hushed mantle]

We probably already have all we need from unova

[silent acorn]

For the most part. Id argue the only things we miss from it are starters and the Reborn concepts like Gigalith, Excadrill, Excavalier is cool and pretty good, Musharna is like a more friendly Hypno. Leavanny is OK I guess, I love stoutlant then again normal types aren't lacking.
Liepard and Sawsbuck are my golden goose for next vote.

[hushed mantle]

I’d personally add everything from kalos

[silent acorn]

It has good stuff for sure. Except maybe... That one thing with arms, diggersby and the butterfly

[hushed mantle]

Binacle?

Also i think diggersby could be kinda fire because of huge power

[silent acorn]

On that front yeah It has potential I saw United Gamer fuse with Zacian thing cut through things like butter

I think maybe in Kalos the weakest of all mons is still vivillion.

Yeah only vivillion is trash tier bad. And maybe Heliliosk because I just don't love it whatsoever

[sharp nebula]

nuh uh it gets friend guard that makes it just low tier, not trash

[silent acorn]

What Vivillion?

[sharp nebula]

ye

[silent acorn]

I mean.

It is a HA. Still vivillion design wise is boring, also is rather weak with like 89 speed and like 80 hp is not very durable

Also I can only imagine if that one would be too complicated for frog to implement

Anyway Vivillion gets the dubious honor of moving from trash to low

[sharp nebula]

vivillon fans have me to thank for this gift

[silent acorn]

Yeah. Still low though. But I do suppose Kalos has less overall stinkers

[sharp nebula]

i accept gifts of up to £30

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-call-it-charity-rayful-edwin-tales-act-up-s3e3-gif-26544911

[sharp nebula]

appropriate, he's british

[silent acorn]

Alright melosupre spills the beans who are your next star players, who you pushing for.

[sharp nebula]

haha yeah i know what that is

[silent acorn]

I know you got the ladies on the chair what else

[sharp nebula]

im a big fan of ryan gosling, great player

[silent acorn]

I meant pokemon lol

[sharp nebula]

i dont know if he plays pokemon, youd have to ask him

[silent acorn]

I mean you! What are your next pushing for? You got meloetta, can't be all an ambitious woman wants rite?

[sharp nebula]

i mean, id be fine with pretty much anything thats not basculin tbh

[stuck bane]

You’d be surprised at how many people wanted only meloetta

[silent acorn]

Nah I know. I was one lol

Yeah basculin is like... The same as luvdisk, a better version of said mon exists so why even bother with the old one.

[sharp nebula]

i want lilligant to get her time, probably my top pick atm but otherwise, not fussed

[silent acorn]

It's either lilligant, lurantis or Tsareena for the plant enthusiasts. I am pushing for Sawsbuck as an all rounder and safe bet

People really understatimate what it offers. 4 skins for each Evo, incremental design possibilities, nice physical stats and a great moveset that's similar to Gogoat.

[stuck bane]

Lilligant is easy top pick, the only reason Serperior and heatran are higher are for nostalgia but yeah Lilligant is a really good pick ||also gets us to 469 slots how convenient||

[silent acorn]

Funny thing is that technically you could fuse sawsbuck with something weak to grass and give it extra power

[stuck bane]

Can’t you do that with most mons though?

[silent acorn]

Thing is most people don't actually realize Sawsbuck is part normal type, so for fusions it can trick not only the Ai but also others.

Something interesting is that on it the body would have to be the normal component which in theory would get SAP Sipper

As the head is the one that has the plant based bits

A water/normal or rock/normal with sap Sipper could mess up a grass user badly

[stuck bane]

Really? I thought everyone knew it was a normal type, but yeah Sawsbuck is good, I’m working on reasons to add each unova Mon and here’s Sawsbuck: not only encourages seasonal fusions, but represents all 4 at once, gets us more grass types, only non-legendary grass type to get serene grace, and only normal type to get chlorophyll, good attack and speed, and serves as better horn leech body above gogoat and trevenant because of it, and only grass type to get camouflage (except breeding)

[silent acorn]

Free buff on top fo whatever else you are running

[stuck bane]

I would use sap sipper normal type as a reason for Sawsbuck, but then it has to contend with Bouffalant who can do that as a head and body

[silent acorn]

You know I often skipped HA when playing unova but yeah it gets serene grace

[silent acorn]

Oh you are right it can do that, except for one thing. Sawsbuck is kind of elusive in that you would assume it is grass type on the body or the head you wouldn't know, you would really fall easily for that trick if you are not careful. With bouffalant is only normal type and whatever order you go for will always have the normal type which can be exploited by fighting types

Also bouffalant is very strong but it's has the disgrace of having really bad speed

Sawsbuck on the other hand while not having godly tank stats it makes up for it by having more speed, attack, reliable hp, not so bad defense and to top it off it has a regen move with horn leech, that's its best move and you can bet your ass whatever gets hit by that one is done for.

Sawsbuck was made to be a sweeper back on Gen 5

[weak trellis]

sawsbuck is also kinda just Diet Leafeon in terms of body stats

even if in main series its normal STAB and coverage generally make it better in most cases

[silent acorn]

Maybe but Leafeon doesn't get a recovery move

[stuck bane]

Diet leafeon with horn leech, Alomomola may not have the hp blissey does but having that much hp with regenerator speaks for itself

[silent acorn]

They each have a bit different roles

You know what's unfair is that eeveelutions always have Stats above 500

It's also weird how Leafeon has super high defense for no reason

[sullen elbow]

Should specify a bit more, synthesis is a recovery move that leafeon gets

[silent acorn]

While it gets killed on that turn yep
That's the problem with static recovery moves you are a sitting duck unless you are resistant to both types of damage

[weak trellis]

I mean in that case I don't think horn leech would have helped either rofl

unless it was on a glass cannon with high HP

[silent acorn]

It's does, it gets damage off, heals and then you can switch the approach in the next turn, also Sawsbuck is built quite like a normal type kamikaze

[weak trellis]

I mean in that case leafeon also gets the KO it just doesn't heal from it

so I guess you could make the argument that it dies to chip or somethin afterwards

[silent acorn]

Leafeon is excellent but like it's also an eeveelutions so those get more power than regular mons anyway

Its like comparing arcanine and pyroar

[sullen elbow]

And its more likely to get it since it hits harder

[silent acorn]

Again is an eeveelution, can't really compare them to normal pokemon. That well. Also why are we comparing Leafeon and Sawsbuck? Didn't you guys say "Oh but Archeops is different from Aerodactyl", like can we focus on what the new mon brings?

[lost pebble]

Huh. Froslass isnt in the fusion calculator https://fusioncalc.com/

[silent acorn]

I will say the fact people compare my boy sawsbuck to Something like Leafeon speaks volumes to the fact Sawsbuck is good

[silent acorn]

Daenas has froslass

[lost pebble]

Link?

[silent acorn]

Just write fusion dex

[lost pebble]

Fusion calc has stat loss, daena has updated sprites… im having flashbacks to minecraft modding haha

[silent acorn]

Can't have them all. Also Daena just gives you final base stats

[lost pebble]

True

[silent acorn]

When is the old Soup coming back, it was kinda cool

[sullen elbow]

There really aren't many relatively fast physical grass types to compare it to

[silent acorn]

That goes to show it competes In a pretty empty niche, there isnt many like them

What I like about Sawsbuck is that its perfectly able to multiclass and synergyze with just about any pokemon

You want the kamikaze build? Fuse body with a ghost type and see people suffer. You want a fast sweep boi? Fuse the head with a fire type and let that chlorophyll kill

It does its job good and that's what I like about it. It's straight forward and to the point, you know what you are running when you got a sawsbuck

The funny thing is that chlorophyll as it's ability works perfectly fine because it isn't some slow slouch

[silent acorn]

What's your main next champion soupy boi

[finite thistle]

Sawsbuck does get Serene Grace as well, which would make it a decent alternative to Shaymin. Shaymin is definitely better, but the more flinching the better

[median sable]

How were new Pokémon added? Wasn’t the game already at its limit on release?

[stuck bane]

Yesn’t: the game was at its limit, but a breakthrough in the code was found allowing far more to potentially be added

[keen apex]

When did this happen? And have the devs given any indication as to what direction new additions are going to go? Are they focusing on adding oldest-newest mons, significant mons (like legendaries and fossils), or just whatever they think is cool?

[brisk solstice]

Between 5.3 and 6.0, it's been decided by community votes based on popularity polls recently

There is currently only a suggestion poll open to spriters

[keen apex]

Huh, interesting. So absically community fiat then?

Who decides how/where they get put into the game?

Do they just get crammed in, or is there some kind of post game place for them to go?

[hushed mantle]

frog

[brisk solstice]

Frogzilla, he's the solo dev on coding and would decide where to place them in routes or how to make new quests for them

[keen apex]

Ah, so the game is actively being added to then? Like... Not just the endgame?

When I last played the consensus the game was sorta done except for spriting.

[brisk solstice]

At 5.2 we thought it was all done but then the breakthrough happened which raised the pokedex from 420 to 465

All the new basic mons got spread into the spawn tables or little side quests, and the new legendary/mythics got bigger multi-part quests

[keen apex]

Neato

So, does it stop at 465 for sure? Or is the consensus that there is a chance for more?

[brisk solstice]

Well meloetta is still confirmed to be added in an upcoming update for 466 and 467, past that I think they do plan on adding more, we just don't know who or when because there's no active poll aside from the suggestion one for spriters

[frigid anvil]

Are we done with new reveals I haven't been paying enough attention to know

Oh I just read everything nevermind

Sorry

[noble gale]

Lunala should be added

[silent acorn]

Well unless suddenly they give us something for Christmas

And its possible we could get more additions but that's far into next year maybe

[deft storm]

Does anyone else want ursaluna (both regular and blood moon) to be added? I think it’d be really cool and would have a lot of potential for cool fusions.

[brisk vessel]

They announce IRONBUNDLE and only IRONBUNDLE specifically as the next confirmed mon for PIF (it will be completely made from the ground up like Cool Dino was)

Source: it came to me in a dream

[prime dust]

nothing past gen 7 will ever be added

#pif-hoenn-discussion message

the tldr version of why is:

coding issue

[magic spear]

Hello, How do I get necrozma ultra?

[stuck bane]

1. Go to game help
2. Iirc you need it to hold necrozmium z and use photon geyser

[magic spear]

Thanks you ! ^^

[silent acorn]

Hmmm. So we got Kalos as a good candidate

[brisk vessel]

I hope the next Pokemon they add is IRONBUNDLE and only IRONBUNDLE specifically because it's Christmas 😁😁😁

[silent acorn]

Okey so I got my kalos Tierlist ready, I think I thought it out well

[stuck bane]

I think the previous convo should be taken with a grain of salt, since it doesn’t make too much sense to only end at 469, but if we were going to I’d pick malamar for the memes of flipping upside down

[silent acorn]

Now you may be thinking why did I put furfrou up that high right? Well it's rather simple.
Furfrou has an all around base stat not too brilliant in anything but Speed but for fusions speed is very important. It's also not mediocre in many of its stats, meaning it works as a fantastic material for whatever you wanna go for. Concerned about its defense? Well simple solution. Fur coat halves ALL PHYSICAL DAMAGE, and this is without exceptions. Unlike fluffy which gets a nerf and a weakness to fire, it's essentially a Huge Power but for defense.
Then after that we got the moveset it's not excellent it gets very few moves of its own most normal which it's what you are gonna get regardless of what you fuse it with. It gets retaliate and can learn a lot of the good TM normal moves, oh it also gets cotton guard... Yeah as if the defense on this thing needed to be higher. If you wanna sweep it can learn work up, to double mess it up anything. Can learn Echoed Voice via TM which may I remind you gets insane on the last turns, add the Stab to that and buffs from work up and you got a sweeper. Can do the rest-sleep talk combo which... Again did this thing need to have this? Finally the kicker it has a total of 10 alternative forms including its normal, all rolled into one single pokemon. On top of them all looking different and being different styles not just different colors. It's also a common pokemon so you can get it normally unlike zygarde or Hoopa. I mean you just add everything together and it's obvious why i put it there.

Also as for the bad moveset it gets remember... Fusions gets the moves from BOTH pokemon so it's very open to options

[leaden flax]

I'd pick Pangoro, because, obviously, Fighting type

[silent acorn]

You are gonna have a bad time convincing people bud, we got Ursaring which apparently makes the other two bears obsolete according to a lot of folks

[leaden flax]

Well it's not my favourite either, just that I'd like more fighting types

[silent acorn]

It's why despite loving pangoro I put it at the end of the Fantastic Potential Tier. It lacks a bit more of a boost

[leaden flax]

I don't really care about how good a Pokémon is, but I agree that Furfrou isn't bad of a choice

[silent acorn]

Toxicroak, Mienshao and Kommo-o are our best hopes for more fighting types

Furfrou is just a safe bet for a good addition

Thing with zygarde is that it's op and all but it's a legendary, meaning it often feels like a cope out to use it

Furfrou basically gives you a good choice for essentially everything.

[stuck bane]

I love pangoro too, had one in X and Y where I remember playing against friends, I brought speed boost baton pass torchic with pancham while everyone else brought their meta picks, and I ended up sweeping everyone else since they all brought normal types. so pancham and pangoro have a special place in my heart, they also bring pandas which aren't the same as ursaring

[leaden flax]

Additionally I don't really like the legendaries of Kalos but I do like Zygarde's colors (and its forms other than 50%)

[silent acorn]

People my man. It's hard to convince them that freaking Ursaring isn't the only worthwhile bear

I just like Yveltal for how it has the red and black scheme on top of giving another legendary dark type and making everything look pure edge

Xerneas is there because... Well we are kinda forced to pick them together

[leaden flax]

[silent acorn]

Still Xerneas is a good legendary fairy so that's good

[leaden flax]

Tried to like Xerneas since I have the X version, but, yeah

[silent acorn]

Kinda surprised I am not getting many disagreement over it

Man defensive ice types are just not a good idea in general. They suck for how fragile they are, Avalugg should have had something akin to fur coat to make it good but nope

[silent acorn]

Hey courage what do you think about furfrou? Yay or nay?

Well anyway I am off to make the unovan one.

[leaden flax]

Those in the yellow and green tiers are mostly forgettable in my opinion (no offense to those that do like 'em) so I agree with them

I would've put maybe Gourgeist a little higher but it's because I really like Gourgeist

[stuck bane]

sorry bout that im back, furfrou has alot going for it: only mon with fur coat, not to mention fur coat is amazing (normal ghost with fur coat?), also brings good special defense and speed, and a myriad of coat trims means spriters have alot of options when making a furfrou fusion, not to mention it's natural learnset of charm and cotton guard can make fur coat even more broken, either making an unstoppable physical wall or a crazy special defense build (that furfrou can support) that uses setup to reach crazy physical defenses too, also brings poodle fusions. Furfrou is a good pick, though forgettable in most people's eyes

also let's make one for pangoro too: great attack and good hp, only dark type that gets iron fist, only dark type to get mold breaker, and only fighting type to naturally get mold breaker, and is the only dark type with access to scrappy, and it brings panda fusions

[leaden flax]

I'm guilty of never having used Furfrou ever in my life... And I regret a bit because its alt forms are kinda sick

[stuck bane]

I think the alt forms are only cosmetic, but that's actually a big positive because furfrou only takes 1 slot (unlike things like basculin who I think need to take up 2 slots because red stripe and blue stripe have different abilities)

[silent acorn]

It has many styles and can work for a crap ton of ideas

[silent acorn]

Yeah if they have different abilities then they do take different slots. Not like sawsbuck which are only cosmetic

Its a cute dog, stylish dog, for fusions it would look down right sick, may make lopunny lose her niche as the model style pokemon

[stuck bane]

forgot furfrou also brings poodle fusions so theres that too

[tame flax]

Slurpuff brings bichon frise

[silent acorn]

And that's about it.

I mean i put on the top of orange tier for good ideas for a reason. It's just it's hard to picture a lot of what you can make with slurpuff I have an easier time picturing feathery flamingo fusions from aromatisse

[stuck bane]

I mean, it's got a similar face with the tongue sticking out, but slurpuff doesn't scream "cute doggo" after one glance at it

[tame flax]

Cakes

So many cakes

[silent acorn]

It really doesnt. The cake aesthethic isn't something everyone can go for I don't think

[tame flax]

What pallossand is to buildings, slurpuff would be to cakes

[silent acorn]

I do like the enthusiasm on that but like. I know for a fact Aromatisse is the fairy most people like picturing as something else

I am saying that because aromatisse has a lot wrong with it a spriter could easily improve

[tame flax]

It's the fairy most people wish it was something else

[silent acorn]

Well yeah that's the point. It's easy to think of something better than what gamefreak made

[stuck bane]

I think he means more dessert in general, which slurpuff is kind of vague in that regard, but that still isn't the reason you want slurpuff.

yeah slurpuff and aromatisse bring fairy reps and yeah slurpuff can do cakes and aromatisse can do feathers, but those aren't the reasons you want them, at all...

the real reason you want slurpuff and aromatisse is that they're two of the only 9 fairy type heads possible to obtain in the entire game, that rarity bumps it up above decent into a good pick for sure.

[tame flax]

It has too many ideas that don't mesh together

No, I just really like slurpuff

[silent acorn]

Slurpuff for the desserts and reliable concept, Aromatisse for the creativity. I didn't put slurpuff on the bad tier after all

[remote ibex]

bro

[stuck bane]

and yeah your reasonings sucked you just spammed slurpuff, if you had told us slurpuff had actual mechanical use from the start maybe it would've been considered more

[remote ibex]

if slurpuff got in the entirety of that pokemon desert games pokemon would be in

[tame flax]

Wait, you really don't know do you?

[silent acorn]

Aromatisse it's a status blocker, also has reliable stats for the most part. Slurpuff mechanically is quite all over the place

[stuck bane]

oh boy is this another "actually me being a nuisance was a gigabrain scientist move"

[tame flax]

After the spam, I changed my server name, I thought most people knew I was the slurpuff guy

The one giving ideas

[silent acorn]

You are still named aizt so yeah.

[stuck bane]

"it was me all along, nobody else did shit for slurpuff, it was all me! all you peons are beneath me!"

[remote ibex]

https://tenor.com/FlMC.gif

[stuck bane]

"I'm like light yagami from death note, I'm the smartest of all, I've been playing 4d chess with you this entire time!"

[tame flax]

I never said that

[silent acorn]

I put aromatisse on the Fantastic tier basically for the fact it has a good bit to offer, it's like middle ground for making stuff. It's above pangoro for a reason. It's just you check what slurpuff can do and it's pretty dissapointing

[remote ibex]

https://tenor.com/bETgm.gif

[tame flax]

But I did do more than spam slurpuff

You just didn't realize I changed my name

[silent acorn]

You spammed something I don't remember what

[stuck bane]

yeah, but any of that stuff you did before was drowned out and forgotten by the spamming you did

[silent acorn]

Anyway can we forget about him spamming stuff?

[tame flax]

The spam was the first thing I did, I did more after than, keep up

[silent acorn]

It's not like we can stop him anyway. Yeah... Nah thanks

I swear whenever anyone mentions slurpuff only for cakes my support for it dies just that little bit more, like come up with more for crapsake. It's also a goddamn slippery dog. You have to use both body and head of the thing.

like I prefer this side of the concept for slurpuff over the body cake idea

[remote ibex]

what in the cinnamon toast fu-

[silent acorn]

It's cute. What can I say

Anyway I got my unova tier list ready and set. If you got disagreement do bring up points about it. This one is the hardest to make because the mons from unova have both good and bads they aren't clear cut all the time.

[empty pendant]

I'd put Keldeo higher because a spatk focused fighting type is a pretty interesting novelty, and Pidove lower because it's boring af, personally.

[stuck bane]

yeah some edits need to be made, namely emolga: flying type with motor drive should speak for itself, all the others make sense to be that low (except maybe swanna, maybe bump it up 1 tier? it shouldn't be next to things like monkeys and basculin)

[sullen elbow]

why is simipour higher than the others?

[stuck bane]

because simipour surprisingly has something going for it: it's been surprisingly good in multiple BW monotype runs, but... yeah, thats about it

Swanna: good speed, can bring swan fusions, the only water type with big pecks, and is the only fully evolved flying type with access to hydration

Emolga: flying squirrel and gliding fusions, also volt switch by level up, and it’s a flying type with motor drive making any water fusions only weak to rock, and god help you if send in a rock type against a speedy water type

[sullen elbow]

why was it good? out of curiosity

[stuck bane]

it's surprisingly fast, and has good attack and special attack so the moves it can use can be mixed, most of the reason is that there's not a ton of great water types in BW and simipour stands out because of it, I'll be back in 1s

[sullen elbow]

I don't think there is much demand for Swanna's abilities lol

[stuck bane]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTgCARNxmc4

this is the only one I could easily find, but simipour has been good in other nuzlockes as well

[stuck bane]

why not? they're not bad abilities, hydration can make it a non-water type flying type on rain teams that can counter many grass types, and big pecks can also be a good combination if combined with something like bastiodon to make a water/steel type that can't have it's defense lowered, they're not bad abilities under the right circumstances

[silent acorn]

I mean swanna is just a swan for the most part. I'll check emolga and see. The thing about to me is that it fills the flying thing even more and it's a pretty meh pikachu clone.

[silent acorn]

Actually i left keldeo there for a few reasons.

A. It's my little pony design.

B. It's signature isn't that much different and if we don't add it you can just tutor it to a bunch of other pokemon that can use it better. Including Gallade.

C. It's kinda cluttering since we got the swords of justice and we don't really need Keldeo for them to work.

D. It's a mythical that wouldn't be really fun to chase after.

E. Body wise it's bad for designs and head wise about the same. It's not very interesting as we have rapidash for unicorns and all that.
F. You got other one offs that offer more.

[silent acorn]

It's actually more usable on its own than the other 2

Like if say there was a spriter vote or someone picked it, it's the least bad of the 3 monkeys. It being stuck on the gang of the copy paste monkeys is the only bad thing about it

All 6 of them together? Nah man. Just simipour? Could be fine

[sullen elbow]

I prefer simisage desing wise

[silent acorn]

Note I didn't put on the super high tier or anything like that

[silent acorn]

That's more to personal taste yeah. It's just I heard that simipour was the one that was balanced the best of the 3

[silent acorn]

See something I notice about motor drive is that it doesn't make you immune to the attack it just raises an stat

Actually scratch that it does on Gen 7

[sullen elbow]

yes it does

[sullen elbow]

it always did

[silent acorn]

Alright that gives emolga some wiggle room into maybe middle Bland Food Problem is... Its stats are atrocious

what's the point of those defenses with this HP?

If it was more specialized or more offensive i would say yeah it's upper tier

[stuck bane]

Its speed isn’t, I’m not saying it’s above mid, but speedy flying type body that can cause any water type to become like a gyarados with only 1 weakness (that it hits for SE) is too good to be lopped in with basculin, we’ve talked about it and it probably is the best pikaclone to choose for those reasons alone

[silent acorn]

So what tier would it be then? Because right now it's Above Zebstrika

But it's true with Water/Flying with motordrive it would be dangerous. It's HA so it's guarantee to be given to the pokemon with that combo

[stuck bane]

No it isn’t it’s next to keldeo

[silent acorn]

Of that's the old one

[stuck bane]

Like, I know there are hated mons in unova, and I’m fine with Emolga and Swanna being bland tier, but there’s no way their inclusions would be poisonous to the game

[silent acorn]

Hmmmm
I know swanna can heal but it's worse off than dewgong in terms of being a tank.

Ok so I up it but not by a whole lot

[stuck bane]

Swanna: good speed, can bring swan fusions, the only water type with big pecks, and is the only fully evolved flying type with access to hydration

hydration can make it a non-water type flying type on rain teams that can counter many grass types, and big pecks can also be a good combination if combined with something like bastiodon to make a water/steel type that can't have it's defense lowered, they're not bad abilities under the right circumstances

Ok we’re in agreement, even though every Mon has reasons for getting in, at least everything in poisonous has reasons people actively don’t want it: keldeo MLP, Watchog creepy, Bert and Ernie, monkeys take too many slots, and genies take too many slots

[silent acorn]

Ok that bert and ernie one was funny

[stuck bane]

And I guess basculin people just think it takes too many slots too? Because blue/red stripe having different abilities?

[silent acorn]

Nah it's because it's very sucky

[stuck bane]

Do you want me to tell you the truth?

[silent acorn]

Sure go ahead

[stuck bane]

It’s underrated after I looked closer at it:

Basculin: good attack and speed, only water type with access to reckless, only water type body that has access to rock head, only water type to naturally get access to adaptability, and only water type that gets mold breaker

[silent acorn]

It is a kamikaze for sure except there is just one problem with it

It is the lamest of all the unovan pokemon in design. Like it's just the freaking most basic piece of potato in the series. Like if atleast it had more to its design I could see using it. But it's worse than magikarp and feebas look wise

Like I like Basculegion for one because of the awesome Japanese style drawing design it has. Unovan basculin is just a green bass fish

[stuck bane]

Although maybe basculin will never be added since it’ll be impossible to tell in fusions, I just gotta try repping all of unova if at all possible

[silent acorn]

You can try is just that one Is like hell difficulty

That's the kicker by the way one form gets reckless the other rock head. Meaning, they would count as 2 separate ones

[stuck bane]

Well, because of cool dino being implemented, it could be possible to get white stripe basculin with basculegion (although it would still be a ton of work), everyone seems to be in agreement that’s the best one, and it helps easily solve the issue between red/blue stripe because they just won’t be implemented

Although frog may be hesitant of this because it would open the floodgates and he’d be swarmed with people who can’t understand building code from the ground up is so much work

[silent acorn]

If they advertise it as that maybe. I could see a lot of support for it.

[silent acorn]

Yeah I know. I swear it opens floodgates to annoying people requesting and threatening frog as if he is a wish granting genie

So I think it's better to leave basculin on Food Poisoning atleast for now until a better solution is given

Now keldeo will stay where he is because honestly it's not even the best thing you could get as a mythical from Unova, Victini is.

[stuck bane]

agreed, im not saying it should be moved up, just even basculin has reasons

[silent acorn]

Basculin given what you said does have more reasons to move up.

Now it's easy to sell victini to people for one reason. It's busted.
Contrary fusion Victini with V create and Stored power is too strong for me to ignore
Also victini is cute, cool looking and I can see cool designs coming from it.

[stuck bane]

also victini gets another signature move called searing shot that everyone forgets about

I've completed reasons for all 1-slot and 2-slot unova mons, with dabbles here and there for others, but I'm probably gonna hold off on sharing the whole thing until everything is done, and then use it to persuade people during another vote of some kind (even if it were a spriter vote or something)

[silent acorn]

That's fine, I am here for discussing and stuff

[sullen elbow]

too bad we would lose two legendary tutor moves /j

[silent acorn]

Eh not that bad of a loss. Besides Victini by itself already justifies getting it. Keldeo is worse a loss honestly.
Like magmortar gets Searing Shot. Whilst Aegislash, Bisharp, Gallade, Far'fetch and others get Keldeos signature

Also I just find it funny that we can't get sirfetch but we can get the next best thing with Farfectch having secret sword

[sullen elbow]

you forgot v-create

[silent acorn]

This spread is beautiful.

Also I can live with this sacrifice

Typhlosion is my boi, and I can live with him not having V-Create. Also Entei.
They get plenty of awesome moves anyway

Like they are signature users of Eruption

Well time for me to move to the Hoenn tier. Should be easy enough

[stuck bane]

be careful when making hoenn tier, hoenn fans will refuse to acknowledge their region has any stinkers and will create a bloodbath if any one of them are even in bland tier

[plush inlet]

I second the addition of Victini in the future, just because it's my all-time favorite. Even if its remaining signature move is no longer signature in IF, I'm willing to accept its arrival with open arms.

[stuck bane]

Victini: victory star and gets V-create, and only Mon that gets searing shot, could bring a liberty garden event as well

Not as much as people think, but it still has a great design and my bias of playing BW with the event victini aside, it’s still a fantastic choice

[silent acorn]

I won't have mercy it has stinkers for sure

[empty pendant]

ok I'm possibly the biggest hoenn stan there is but even though I like plusle and minun they would Not add anything to IF and I'd only want them in for completion's sake if literally everything was added

if we had literally every gen 7 and earlier Pokemon except plusle and minun I'd be like okay c'mon--

[stuck bane]

hot take, hoenn's bad mons are worse than unova's bad mons: at least our heart shaped fish has stats and a good ability, at least our bert and ernie aren't as bad as your volbeat and illumise, at least our pikaclone is more interesting than both of yours (although tbh I like plusle too, emolga just offers more), at least basculin isn't as bad as relicanth since it's expressive and doesn't die to a single blade of grass, both of our fossils aren't forgettable as cradily and armaldo, face the facts: your nostalgia blinds you

[sullen elbow]

cradily being forgetable is an insane take

[empty pendant]

1. I'll give you the w there on heart feesh and pikaclones. Luvdisc exists to farm Heart Scales off of and... that's it, and Plusle and Minun are just. There. To show off doubles synergy.
   B. Volbeat and Illumise vs Throh and Sawk, I will argue that they are worse statwise but more interesting visual-design-wise, and even then, Volbeat offers Tail Glow.
   III. Relicanth has rock head head smash, and Basculin without Basculegion is 2 slots for another trash fish.
2. what is forgettable about Cradily and Armaldo? I used Cradily on a gen 6 mono-rock OU team and that thing put in work. And Armaldo might be bad statwise but I don't think anyone would argue that it doesn't look sick af

[sullen elbow]

that's called power creep

[empty pendant]

also Anorith is based on an anomalocaris and that's a prehistoric possible relative of velvet worms with a name that means "weird shrimp" and that's fantastic

[reef lance]

https://fxtwitter.com/louminosus/status/1029776983142658049?t=8Egyf8hWHut_PPo1wpW2Gw&s=19

[silent acorn]

I stan a lot for gen 3 and even I think Volbeat and Illumise are peak garbo bug pokemon

[empty pendant]

Also Relicanth is based on a coelacanth, which is awesome, and Basculin is a bass, which is dinner

[silent acorn]

The fact is Relicanth lore is interesting but goddamn is it very boring design wise. It's usable for sure. Buts that's not saying a lot of after 7 gens of rock pokemon

[empty pendant]

Ok look: Volbeat in particular has the important advantage of being really cute

I could do without Illumise, but you can't tell me this color scheme and features aren't just delightful. Lil pleasant lavender-blue with yellow and black and curly antennae and a lil lightbulb.

Is he bad? Yeah. Is he cute? Hell yeah--

[silent acorn]

I actually appreciate Illumise more for having a bit refined air about her but that's not a lot.
Seriously these two aren't that important, we don't really need them for much
If I used cute as a measure I'd get slurpuff

[empty pendant]

we don't need them but my point was, I think if we're comparing them to throh and sawk specifically, throh and sawk are usable but are ugly and boring, and volbeat and illumise are delightfully cute with great color schemes, but are absolute trash in battle

[silent acorn]

They are still both bad on any scale so you got your point their kinda cute but that about it.

Question do you think Frog would give shiftry wind rider if it got in? Wind rider is Gen 9

[stuck bane]

you know what yeah I went a little overboard, relicanth isn't bad but I like basculin a bit more, anorith and cradily are awesome I just like the gen 5 fossils more, maybe that was a bit unwarranted

[empty pendant]

fair and I respect you for admitting it!

[stoic rain]

I feel like the popularity of randomized and nuzlocke runs means that even bad pokemon will see use.

[stuck bane]

I stand by everything else though

[silent acorn]

Hmmm... If Shifrty got wind rider... I dont know where to put it. Because it's a what if, I don't know if it would get that

[stoic rain]

Plus don't Volbeat and Illumoise get tail glow? That's a decent reason to fuse them with something right there.

[empty pendant]

volbeat gets tail glow. illumise gets nothing

[silent acorn]

Well then that's worse because we are forced to have them both

[white meadow]

or just don't get either

[inland jewel]

i dont know what slots have to do with this since space is not an issue anymore for pokemon

[silent acorn]

They let us pick a certain amount of them, so we have to count every slot for every pick. Like how people were saying Lycanroc would count as 3 instead of 2. It's important for the overall vote.

[inland jewel]

i mean, basculin would follow the lycanroc thing

where even though it has 3 forms each with different stats and abilities it would only count as one mon.

[silent acorn]

If Frog puts one imagine I think its clear is only that one.

[inland jewel]

even then basculin would never be 2 since he isn't adding basculegion

[silent acorn]

Regardless... Basculin is pretty meh overall on the grand scheme of things.

[stuck bane]

Basculin would either be 2 or ignored, red and blue stripe have different abilities if they were to be implemented, and even then they may be ignored altogether because if dusk and midday Lycanroc are too similar, both stripes of basculin will definitely be too similar

[silent acorn]

Alright I leave it to people to convince on what to do with delcatty

[inland jewel]

It would not be 2 slots, it would follow Lycanroc's slot count, or Oricorio's where even if it takes multiple slots int he Pokedex, it will only be counted as 1 mon

[stuck bane]

Delcatty is definitely mid at least, I think I looked at it once and has almost nothing going for it

[inland jewel]

I like delcatty but bst of 400 is not good

[stuck bane]

Oh you mean in vote, yeah when voting basculin would obv be 1, but in game it has to be 2 Pokédex slots because of the 2 forms having different abilities

[inland jewel]

yeah, and 2 pokedex slots is null and void because of the space we have now, so the argument of it being 2 or more is irrelevant

[empty pendant]

if it was a "the next update will fill 20 pokedex slots with new 'mons, now vote" it becomes relevant again--it's better to leave something that takes a lot of slots for little value until later

[inland jewel]

yeah, in the vote basculin would take 1 slot

which is precedented by Oricorio and Lycanroc

who, in the dex have 4 and 2 respectively, but vote wise is only 1

the dex slots in this case is (Uniquely named) pokemon, and not how many forms they have

like sawsbuck and wormadam could each have 4 and 3 forms but in the dex they only are 1 slot

[empty pendant]

delcatty is pretty weak, but it does have some mildly interesting traits that nothing else does

normalize is a weird ability (turn all moves Normal-type but give them an extra 20% power boost on top of stab?), wonder skin has interesting utility, and it gets baton pass and several different good stat boosting moves

also, it's a cute housecat-type cat even when fully evolved, which I think is actually unique--all other cat pokemon have more of a big-cat build in their final form

[hushed mantle]

Persian already exists

[empty pendant]

persian has a build that's less "kitty :3" and more "somewhere between cat and mountain lion" imo

[stoic rain]

I like Delcatty, normalize generally is pretty bad but it has a few niche uses that make it interesting.

IIRC you can use it to TWave electric types

[empty pendant]

you could in earlier gens

after gen 6 you can't

[stuck bane]

Delcatty: good speed, not the only normal type with cute charm because lopunny and minccino, actually yeah only Mon with normalize isn’t bad, also yeah only normal type with wonder skin, yeah Delcatty isn’t bad, although practical use is slim, it’s at least there

[silent acorn]

I am done Jesus...that took too long

[stuck bane]

I don’t think there’s a ghost type with entrainment, but Delcatty could be fused with Durant to make a normal steel Mon that forces the opponent to only use normal type attacks

[silent acorn]

Here I go... I am tired this took too much work to sort out.

[stoic rain]

Aw man, I know Dustox and Beautifly suck mechanically but I love both of their designs

[silent acorn]

Hey like I get that and all but. The asking for these is 5 slots in total. 5 picks taken for them and nothing else.

[stuck bane]

Honestly, I’m not saying vote for them, but wurmple line isn’t the worst if you want to fill up the dex with as many slots as possible: monkeys take 6, and genies also take 6 because of therian forms, and burmy takes 7 because of 3 burmy forms, 3 wormadam forms, and mothim

[silent acorn]

I actually like dustox more than I do butterfly, I think it's a nifty moth

Is just... They haven't aged that well compared to everything after

My tops are actually mostly bugs. Hell the my unova tier has Excavalier at the peak behind victini

I do love bugs is just some of them do feel like like they were mostly experimental

Hell if I could have orbeetle i would jump on that

I just think the tough exosqueleton aesthethic bugs sometimes go for feels better than the cartoony soft one.

[stuck bane]

People forget that most of the best bug types came from unova, it was the first to try and make them cool, leavanny, scolipede, Crustle, escavalier, accelgor, so many that have more things beyond “route 1 bug that you throw away after the first gym”

[silent acorn]

It's why I didn't put levanny nor accelgor on bad, they are less interesting than their peers but they are not bad. Hell I also had crustle pretty high

I dont love tropius but I have to admit compared to a lot of the other Gen 3 mons has a few more merits

Now you are probably wondering why Medicham is all the way up there right? Well it's rather simple. It's not just because of Pure Power it's also because of its moveset

[stuck bane]

Honestly all the below mid tier picks make sense, maybe not hariyama since it brings a rediculous hp stat, but still I could see people disliking it

[silent acorn]

That thing... Has an absurb amount and quality of moves it definetely did not need to have

[sullen elbow]

the 3 burmys are identical so they could be considered one slot although maybe the evolution method for madam would have to change

[stuck bane]

Sorry but taillow not being in mid just doesn’t make sense, it doesn’t bring too much that pidgeot doesn’t already bring, and other birds like Staraptor offer more

[silent acorn]

I know that I am conflicted about it
Because it's mostly a regional bird in design and look, but it also has the absurdity of having Boomburst, Brave Bird, Endeavor, Reversal and a plethora of other nonsense

Its the design I think it's weak at. It hasn't aged that well

[silent acorn]

Also mid is yellow. It still good. Its just I don't know how good it would be.

It's also above pelipper who is a weather setter. A very annoying one at that.

Now people are probably thinking of the irony of me putting castform on the red tier when I was being annoying about it. Buts it's for a reason. Weather ball is pretty ridiculous in power

[stuck bane]

Yeah but sharing the same tier as walrein and shiftry is a bit much,

But we also have to consider competition: it has to compete with flying type noivern for boomburst, and even then I’m pretty sure normal/flying types always transfer flying type, it’s not the only brave bird and has to compete with Staraptor, etc.

It does bring rediculously great speed I’ll give it that

[silent acorn]

Hmmm. Yes that's true. So what do you say about it? Upper or lower? Also I only put walrein there because I think it's OK, but has the problem of sealeo

To be honest if I pit swellow vs Staraptor, Staraptor takes the crown of old gens regional birds. It's just peak optimization and design

[stuck bane]

2 spots down, top of second hand goods, it does have a lot mechanically, and was an anime Mon, I just don’t think it should be that high, right in front of solrock lunatone

[silent acorn]

Got it

I will say I just can't top this. It's just perfect. The peak.

[sullen elbow]

I'm surprised how few mons get weather ball before gen 8

[silent acorn]

It's kind of busted. As soon as you get a weather going it doubles in power. And if your mon has stab it's even more powerful. It's just castform stats nerf it

[stuck bane]

You know what yeah, castform being combined with a fast weather setter could be a rediculously good fusion, for not much cost, castform is probably at a good spot

If castform really is one of the only mons that can learn weather ball (on my phone can’t check now)

[sullen elbow]

there's some others but the mayority got it after gen 7 or just arent in IF

[silent acorn]

Only problem is not knowing how forecast would work, if it kept the secondary typying of the fusion then it would be busted.

[sullen elbow]

in gen 8 it became a TM

[silent acorn]

If it only changed the normal typying you would have a fun mon

The other thing is... The design let's assume all fusion versions of castform are just cloud beings. Like body makes a head cloud of the pokemon is fused with and the head makes the body of the pokemon cloudy

[white meadow]

that sounds like hell to code

[leaden flax]

I like Hariyama line, aside from that, I agree with litterally everything else

[silent acorn]

It would be the only way to keep it fun. If you kept your dual typying you would be ultra unpredictable.
Like nerfing fire agaisnt your grass/normal with rain. Or by having the ground type you are immune to thunder while you wail on the enemy with weather ball or use Grass to soften the blow

[leaden flax]

I find it surprising how Pelipper isn't in yet, for me it's the first Pokémon I think of when someone mentions Hoenn

[silent acorn]

The main weakness castform has is the mono type actually causing the type it is fighting against to kill it

[silent acorn]

It's not everyone favorite pokemon. That's for sure.

[leaden flax]

[sullen elbow]

what does grumpig add?

[stoic rain]

Grumpig would add something incredibly valuable to IF: ||Spoink ||

[leaden flax]

Man two spots for that ||understandable||

[silent acorn]

Has psywave which isn't too bad, deals 50% to 150% of the user damage. Has thick fat which hey nerfing two types at the same time its always useful, has high spdef and spatk which always works for head, does get power gem, psychock. Not too bad. Also I put it in middle anyways

Second hand goods are middle. Like they have atleast one good thing about them.

[stuck bane]

My only reason for grumpig is extremely dark unmoving dead spoink sprites

[white meadow]

something that can rival cubone fusions

[obsidian wedge]

How about we include Zygarde in the game!

[alpine rune]

I cant believe they didnt include Charizard into the game

[lime gull]

Id love the Gothitelle line so we can have many goth girls 🤣

Another good one is the Tsareena line because it would aallow lots of fruit sprites on one side and girl fighter fabulous boots sprites on the other

[stuck bane]

Gothitelle: its counterpart is already in the game, good defense, special attack, and special defense, Gothitelle lore memes, only way to get shadow tag besides wobbuffet (don’t need to rely on a fusion partner for your only attacking moves), only psychic type to naturally get competitive, and the only psychic type to get frisk

Wow this entire “reasons for every unova Mon” thing at my fingertips is paying off

[empty pendant]

also nice crisp black with white bows would make for aesthetic af fusions

[arctic glacier]

What do Sawk and Throh add?

[stuck bane]

Bert/Ernie: adds more fighting types, Sawk brings great attack, and Throh brings great hp and good attack, and Sawk is the only fighting type to get sturdy (heracross but instead of needing a focus sash you have a free slot for an item?)

Remember that these are only reasons, not necessarily good ones

[coral axle]

I love sawk that’s it that’s the tweet

[weak trellis]

Judo Jim and Karate Karl

sawk specifically adds another sturdy mon while throh has very good special buulk for a head on a physical attacker

[stuck bane]

In fact, now that I’m done, I will post it all now and face the angry mob in the morning

Audino: good hp, and the only normal type with access to regenerator (bulky normal ghost with regenerator?)

Basculin: good attack and speed, only water type with access to reckless, only water type body that has access to rock head, only water type to naturally get access to adaptability, and the only water type that gets mold breaker

Maractus: good special attack, only grass type that naturally gets access to water absorb, and the only grass type head that gets access to storm drain

Sigilyph: only Pokémon that naturally gets access to wonder skin, as well as the only flying type when considering HAs, also a good special attack and speed, only flying type with access to magic guard, and the only psychic type with access to tinted lens

Emolga: flying squirrel and gliding fusions, also volt switch by level up, and it’s a flying type with motor drive making any water fusions only weak to rock, and god help you if send in a rock type against a speedy water type

Alomomola: one of the highest hp stats in the game with access to regenerator, and the only water type with access to healer

Cryogonal: snowflake fusions, and one of the highest special defense stats in the game, as well as a good special attack and speed, and the only ice type (besides frost rotom) with access to levitate

Druddigon: only dragon type to naturally get rough skin, only dragon type that gets sheer force, and a great attack, as well as good defense and special defense

Bouffalant: Afro fusions, and gets head charge which is double edge with less recoil, only normal type to naturally learn reckless, only normal type body with natural access to sap sipper, and good attack, hp, defense, and special defense

Heatmor: ant-eater fusions, also gets fire lash with a guaranteed defense drop, and good attack and special attack

Durant: adds another bug type, and ant fusions, also a really good fusion body (100+ in all relevant stats), and the only steel type to get hustle, also literally the fastest steel type body in the entire game (unlike most steel types)

Victini: victory star and gets V-create, and only Mon that gets searing shot, and could bring a liberty garden themed event as well

Keldeo: adds another fighting type, gets secret sword special move dealing physical damage, also justified as a non-HA, also is the only water type to get justified, and a great special attack

Watchog: meerkat fusions, only normal type that gets access to illuminate (combo it with scyther for STAB false swipes with double chances of finding wild Pokémon, in addition to watchogs great level up movepool of confuse ray, sand attack, hypnosis, super fang, mean look, etc.), also has an early level up at level 20 (can be obtained directly after Brock on hard mode with level caps)

Liepard: sleek cat fusions, delcatty, Purugly, and Persian are too chunky, it’s the only dark type with access to limber, and it has good speed, it also has an early level up at level 20 (can be obtained directly after Brock on hard mode with level caps)

Musharna: it’s already an overworld mon, can make dream fusions, floral pattern fusions, and you can get one extremely early since it’s a moon stone evolution, also serves as an amazing head with good hp, special attack, and special defense.

Zebstrika: zebra fusions, only way to get motor drive besides electivire/emolga (more fused stat options), only electric type that gets sap sipper, and good attack and speed

Swoobat: team rocket Mon, good speed, only psychic type besides cosmog to get unaware, only flying type to get unaware, also only psychic and flying type to get simple, only flying type to learn heart stamp, and only psychic type head that can also learn heart stamp

Excadrill: mole fusions, only steel type with sand rush, and the only ground and steel type that gets mold breaker, great attack and good hp, only steel type that learns horn drill, and only steel type that naturally learns rototiller.

Bert/Ernie: adds more fighting types, Sawk brings great attack, and Throh brings great hp and good attack, and Sawk is the only fighting type to get sturdy (heracross but instead of needing a focus sash you have a free slot for an item?)

Lilligant: it WAS an overworld Mon, adds more grass types, it’s counterpart is already in the game, could bring the hilarious Pokédex entry “as soon as it finds a male partner,…” “it lives along lakes” (turtwig), “it can barely stand up” (ponyta), “it blows up at the slightest stimulation” (weezing), “their bodies are covered in wounds” (Deino), “it takes cover if it senses any hostility” (ralts), “they use all three heads to consume and destroy everything” (Hydreigon), good special attack and speed, only pure grass type that gets own tempo (for grass type head and body fusions), and it also learns petal dance unlike ludicolo

Darmanitan: multiple forms means more versatility with which form to start with (same as meloetta), standard mode has great attack with good hp and speed, and zen mode has great special attack with good defense, special defense, and hp, also the only fire and psychic type that gets sheer force

Crustle: adds more bug types, gives access to rock wrecker for bug type fusions (normally only rhyperior has), and it’s different enough from pallosand and torterra since it’s fusions would be its shell home, also the only bug type that gets weak armor, and has great defense and good attack

Scrafty: adds more fighting types, baggy pants fusions, Mohawk fusions, and is a Mon used on ash’s team, only fighting and dark type with access to shed skin, also the only fighting type to naturally get moxie, and good attack/defense/special defense

Cinccino: it’s already an overworld Mon, and good attack and speed, also brings chinchilla fusions

Swanna: good speed, can bring swan fusions, the only water type with big pecks, and is the only fully evolved flying type with access to hydration

Sawsbuck: not only encourages seasonal fusions, but represents all 4 at once, gets us more grass types, only non-legendary grass type to get serene grace, and only normal type to get chlorophyll, good attack and speed, and serves as better horn leech body above gogoat and trevenant because of it, and only grass type to get camouflage (except breeding)

Amoongus: gets regenerator, adds more grass types, if picked 100%’s all the poison types from unova, and is a team rocket Mon, and is the only poison type that can naturally learn effect spore, also makes for good overworld pokeball encounters

Jellicent: 100%’s all the ghost types from unova, and is a team rocket Mon, only ghost type with access to water absorb, and only water type with access to cursed body, also is the only ghost type with access to damp (prevent scrappy explosions, prevent damage from aftermath, etc.), with good hp and special defense

Beheeyem: great special attack and good special defense, only pure psychic type (head and body) that naturally learns telepathy, also the only pure psychic type that gets analytic

Beartic: polar bear fusions, ice beard fusions, great attack and good hp, only ice type to get swift swim, and the only Mon with slush rush

Mienshao: adds more fighting types, great attack, and good special attack and speed, and the only fighting type with access to regenerator

Stoutland: all 3 are distinct enough to count as their own fusions, no wasted slots, it’s the only normal type with sand rush, with good attack, defense, and special defense, and fully evolves at level 32 (can be obtained directly after Surge on hard mode with level caps)

Unfezant: is a Mon used on ash’s team, dove fusions, also with good attack and speed, and fully evolves at level 32 (can be obtained directly after Surge on hard mode with level caps)

Gigalith: is a Mon used on ash’s team, the only pure rock type (head and body) with access to sand stream, and serves the same role with sand force as well, and also brings great attack and defense

Conkeldurr: adds more fighting types, wood, steel, and concrete fusions, only fighting type to naturally get sheer force, also brings a great attack stat with good defense and hp

Seismitoad: only ground type with access to swift swim, only water and ground type that gets poison touch, and is a Mon used on ash’s team, also has good attack and hp

Leavanny: mantis fusions (that are actually bug type unlike lurantis), adds more bug and grass types, and is a mon used on ash’s team, good attack and speed, only grass type to get swarm, and the only bug type to get chlorophyll (fuse with Durant for super speedy chlorophyll boosted scizor?)

Gothitelle: its counterpart is already in the game, good defense, special attack, and special defense, Gothitelle lore memes, only way to get shadow tag besides wobbuffet (don’t need to rely on a fusion partner for your only attacking moves), only psychic type to naturally get competitive, and the only psychic type to get frisk

Vanilluxe: ice cream fusions, good attack, special attack, and special defense, only pure ice type that gets snow warning (head and body fusions), and the only ice type to get weak armor

Eelektross: electric type with levitate guaranteed (it’s an electric type no matter if it’s a head or body fusion, unlike rotom), eel fusions, and good attack and special attack

Fossils: if chosen, 100%’s the fossils from every region, both mons and preevos are unique and make for cool fusions, dropping defeatist from archeops gives a great BST with no drawbacks, and Carracosta would be the only water type with solid rock

Escavalier/Accelgor: accelgor has one of the highest speed stats in the game with a good special attack, adds more bug types, accelgor is also the only bug type with access to hydration, and the only bug type with access to sticky hold, and the only bug type with access to unburden, escavalier can bring lancing and armor fusions, escavalier also brings a great attack with good defense and special defense, and is the only steel type with access to shell armor (being a steel type that can’t be crit is insane, especially with the right fusion)

Braviary/mandibuzz: eagle and vulture fusions, braviary brings a great attack and good hp, and is the only flying type to naturally get access to sheer force, mandibuzz brings good hp, defense, and special defense, mandibuzz is also the only dark type to get big pecks, the only dark and flying type to get overcoat, and the only dark type to get weak armor

All swords of justice: adds more fighting and grass types (see 1-slots for keldeo), all are the only way to naturally get justified, and are the only rock and grass types to get justified, cobalion brings great defense, terrakion brings great attack, and virizion brings great special defense

Elemental monkeys: would make a hilarious prank if your system date says April 1st your starters are always these guys no matter what settings you’re playing on, other than that they’re kinda underrated, simipour has been a surprising champion of multiple nuzlockes, all 3 bring good speed, attack, and special attack, simisage is the only grass type to naturally get gluttony, and simipour is the only water type to get gluttony, and they could potentially bring a triple fusion

Genies: all therian forms can make cool fusions, and thundurus serves as the only flying type with volt absorb, tornadus and thundurus bring great special attack while therian tornadus brings great speed, only flying types to naturally get prankster, thundurus is only electric type to get prankster, and the only electric type to get defiant, landorus brings great attack, and landorus is the only flying type to get sand force (also gives immunity to sandstorm despite no longer being a ground type), and they could potentially bring a triple fusion (or 2 if we want to go crazy)

[white meadow]

Man Its cool that you like Unova mons
We all do
But we dont need explanation why they are good

[inland jewel]

Forgetting that there is no ground Castform

[mental veldt]

How long did this take you to type

[stuck bane]

few days or something, originally started it as "unova mons that only take a single slot and bring alot to offer" in preparation for another vote, but eventually I just decided to work on all of unova, besides it'd probably be better to give supporters of unova mons early ammunition so they can prep posters and stuff

[silent acorn]

We just need the type change we don't really need the form change part

[inland jewel]

I mean even then Castform never did get ground type from forecast

[silent acorn]

Eh we can fix that

[inland jewel]

Not if Frogman keeps its game accurate

[silent acorn]

Would have to somehow code the in battle form change them. Triggering custom Sprites every time the weather changes

[prime dust]

i feel like castform is going to end up like ori

just have some sort of out of battle shift, with each form being its own dex entry

given the problems that necrozma alone is presenting with battle shifting

[silent acorn]

I like how you omit Simisear like one should

[silent acorn]

See thats what I mena the disadvantage is. I think it's just easier to implement a type change

[stuck bane]

(I would've put simisear but it literally has nothing going for it, gluttony is competed for by heatmor and it's just not unique in any areas)

[silent acorn]

Like just switch the normal with one of the other weather changes

[silent acorn]

(Yeah I know but it has to be pointed so you understand why I had to put simipour higher than the other 2, if it was down to me I'd just grab simipour

[stuck bane]

same, because snivy was my starter and I think simipour is decent, sage is fine too, but yeah even though I don't viscerally hate simisear's design, it just isn't worth, but might still wanna be picked up for the prospects of triple fusion

[silent acorn]

You also forgot Excavalier gets swarm for free like as if it wasn't busted enough to deal damage. It's freaking attack is 125

I know because on my moemon file I was using one. And boi it hits like a freight train, it kills Klinks easily with BUG MOVES

It's also one of the coolest looking mons of the whole game

[stuck bane]

yeah but I think it competes for swarm with others of the exact same type like scizor and durant, escavalier totally has tons of reasons, but swarm isn't a unique one (even though it might still be good)

[silent acorn]

It's a good one honestly

It can either go buffing or straight up hurting.

[stuck bane]

I mostly avoided things that could be replicated by other pokemon because it'd be too much to deal with of people saying "well scizor can do that already!", just simpler to give only the unique reasons so they can't really be argued against

[silent acorn]

True that.

[silent acorn]

Hehehe I see managed to persuade another to worship my deer friend

[stuck bane]

(I think this is the same one I shared with you earlier, since you said you realized sawsbuck got serene grace after reading it, maybe some slight edits but its the same one, sawsbuck, especially the winter form, has been a fav of mine for a long time)

[silent acorn]

I know the winter form is so good wyrdeer had to copy it

[stuck bane]

oh wow wyrdeer is just a slightly modified winter sawsbuck base I never realize that

well, wyrdeer is kind of different, but the brown contrasting the white looks so much better on sawsbuck over the white and gray on wyrdeer

[brisk vessel]

I know im late but why is genesect in quality

[white meadow]

how do i change oricorio forms?

[sterile verge]

He's so good he should be added again

[finite thistle]

Durant, Heatmor and Victini would all be sick to get in. Would love to fuse Heatmor with a physical attacker so it actually gets something out of Fire Lash

[tranquil path]

you can change them in the flower garden in pewter after doing the quest to get oricorio

[lime gull]

I just want cool goth chicks I can finally give the Psychic/Dark typing they deserve

Also Beheeyem would allow some pretty cool classic alien fusions. Not Deoxys-like eldritch abominations but more in line with little green men/greys

Fuse it with Sableye to make the Hopkinsville Goblin. Or with Gardevoir to make the Flatwoods Monster

[silver charm]

heheh

[woven remnant]

I know that the chances of Primarina (and other Alolan starters) getting into the game are very very low, but that's literally my favorite Pokémon of all time, and for some weird reason every other favorite Pokémon of mine is already in the game, so I cannot complain.

Even though it's not my favorite, the lack of Ludicolo feels very a bit weird. Like I don't mind if it's in the game or not, I just thought there would be bigger demand for it.

[lime gull]

Ludicolo line would bring an onslaught of questionable Mexican stereotype sprites tho

[woven remnant]

As I've said I personally was more just surprised about it. Anyways, excited about Meloetta (my favorite legendary) so I can't complain

[onyx burrow]

Guys, Ive been away from the game for a while,
Where can I find a list of all the new mons added? (Last time I played the game was around the time Necrozma was announced on this server, but wasn't around on his addition. So by new mons I mean mons added after Necrozma's announcement)

[alpine rune]

I still aint reading allat

[unkempt isle]

are we talking the alola starters never coming into the game or not coming into the game in a long time

[prime dust]

as long as it isn't past gen 7, it is possible anything could get into the game

[silent acorn]

You can actually just get Salazzle who can learn the same and has a better ability

[prime dust]

what gets in and when it gets in is mostly up to Frogzilla

unless there is another vote like we had for the 6.0 update, where the community can weigh in and show our desire for certain mons

[silent acorn]

I think the voting works quite good... For the most part when people aren't picking mainstream anime picks that is

cough noivern cough goodra

[prime dust]

I didn't say the vote didn't work, I just said short of a vote, we have almost no control over what gets in

[silent acorn]

I think a category vote would be better

More slaughter for Froggo to enjoy

Although I don't know. There are people who never have enough dragons and there are 18 types and probably only 20 slots again

[tacit geyser]

So, ik that I'm not in this conversation, but is there a reason the lists I've seen of pokemon people want none of them include Marshadow?

[prime dust]

there are people that like marshadow

[silent acorn]

There are.

[prime dust]

doing a quick search in this channel alone its been brought up over 1,400 times [almost at 1,500]

[tacit geyser]

I wished for him and Staraptor more than any other pokemon. And it could be that I've just never seen it ( didn't know I could search until just now) but I never saw mention of them and I was sad they didn't make it in.

[silent acorn]

I want Staraptor don't really care for marshadow

[prime dust]

they "may" get added in a future update, we can't say for sure since again, short of a vote...we have 0 control over what gets in

[silent acorn]

Mythicals and stuff in general were skipped during most talks

Except for Meloetta hype here

[tacit geyser]

I just love it's design. The wisp design of it is just too good. And I could see it working with so many fusions. And I suppose that makes sense. People want more evolving mons.

[silent acorn]

Evolving mons are fun, you get to see your pokemon develop

[tacit geyser]

True true. But some pokemon that never evolve made it in too.

[silent acorn]

The regis were because of completionists mostly

[tacit geyser]

Fair, but I also wanted them. It felt weird not having them there.

[silent acorn]

That weird for not having there is exactly why they got in. And maybe regice and registeel being cool

[tacit geyser]

Nechrozma ( hope I'm spelling that right I never caught it in my sun or moon play throughs) making it without the cosmog line made me sad. I want my little stardust boi

[hazy bear]

Can fennekin-braixen-delphox added?

[stuck bane]

Salazzle doesn’t get fire lash in gen 7, it gets it on evolution in SV, but in SM the evolution move is just captivate

[prime dust]

possibly in the future

the last mon we're getting in the current batch is Meloetta

no set date on when that will happen, but just assume early next year

[hazy bear]

Okay

[silent acorn]

Well crap

[stuck bane]

I dunno why they made a Gen 7 move only for heatmor, but for the sake of unova Mon arguments I’m not complaining

[weak trellis]

I was gonna say gen 7 had a few cases of that like with toxic thread for ariados

[lime gull]

Salazzle can fire lash me any day

[stuck bane]

Not in this game

[sand mica]

Wait, Ludicolo isn't in the game? How?

[stuck bane]

Ludicolo was close in the spriter vote, but didn’t make the top 3:

[hazy bear]

I'll wait for yveltal to come in IF

[stuck bane]

It’s kinda likely, Xerneas is one of the only 9 fairy type heads in the entire game, and as a counterpart yveltal is likely to come with it. There’s also the fact that bacon bird is just a popular Mon on its own too

[lime gull]

Grumpig/Yveltal would play on when pigs fly but baconated

[stuck bane]

I think tepig or Swinub fill that role better, as they have more pig-like bodies, but grumpig could definitely make bacon based sprites when fused with yveltal

I mean heck, even tepig brings the fire type, so it can be like a sizzling bacon sprite, and Swinub could be like a frozen pork kind of sprite

[lime gull]

Grumpig is spoiled pork

[stuck bane]

Could be, also can we talk about how today alone 6 bruxish sprites have been posted to the gallery by only people of event manager and up? It’s feeling a lot like before where a handful of people “just so happened” to request bruxish sprites in SS. Like a handful of mods that requested bruxish in SS. It’s also weird how none of them were labeled as alts either, but it has equal chance of being a deconfirmation of bruxish since mods are dumping them all in the gallery now, so idk

[weak trellis]

br*xish

[sturdy breach]

No-one talking about the misspelled Fomantis? 😄

[worn latch]

Best fusion for Charizard?

[stuck bane]

New custom pokemon, like cool dino, except it has 500 in attack, special attack, and speed

[white meadow]

i hope that with meloetta, someone can make a reference to mermaid melody. (meloeta + milotic or any other mermaid-like water type)

[stuck bane]

There’s already like 3 of them, use search bar meloetta milotic

[heady ore]

Whats up with all the bruxish in sprite galery?

[feral bear]

Idk what youre talking about, i only see feebas and majikarps

[heady ore]

Is it like clue that he is getting into the game?

[drowsy elm]

There are bruxish sprites in #1050404143807873157 because some people requested them for the spriter event going on

it is not in the game atm nor are there any current plans for them to be added

[stuck bane]

We’re talking about the now 11 bruxish sprites in the gallery all posted by EMs and up and not labeled as alts, that alone raises some eyebrows

In a single day too

[storm zodiac]

The devs posted like 10 sprites on #sprite-gallery that look like bruxish fusions. Also none of those sprite were posted in #1050404143807873157 beforehand I think

[drowsy elm]

Ah damn, maybe there might be something happening then but still nothing confirmed

[storm zodiac]

oh god

[digital ferry]

It’s a coup!

[drowsy elm]

Fear

[tough shore]

I don’t want to sprite a bidoof bruxish

[tough shore]

Even Frogman reacted

[last pecan]

trollman

[proud lion]

I would rather have the monkeys

[proud lion]

I'm a part of the problem

[weak trellis]

lol

man where were all of these when I was doing the run where I used other-mon alts

[stuck bane]

honestly I gotta respect all the effort the bruxish people have put in, I was on the fence, but in addition to some mechanical aspects bruxish would be a good pick

[weak trellis]

I think the bruxish/miltank one was a thing but I wasn't able to get that one to work

[proud lion]

I sees the Frog Gods have appreciated my contribution. Something tells me Team Bruxish will become official in 2 days

[weak trellis]

(here's how that run ended)

also I 100% would join delcatty squad if one's formed rofl

[stuck bane]

delcatty I think we talked about yesterday, besides normalize it just doesn't offer a ton

[weak trellis]

kinda the same thing with Purugly where most of the aethetic stuffs we already have covered with Persian

[stuck bane]

yeah the only 3 good things it has are good speed, normalize, and only normal type with wonder skin, which are fine, but things like liepard end up having a few more reasons

[weak trellis]

if I did vote for any pokecat it'd be liepard since that at least brings neat visuals and prankster to the table yea

[stuck bane]

it's probably just too niche, delcatty I mean

[finite thistle]

Sucks because I'd love to screw around with buffed Normalize

[weak trellis]

yea it's a shame that buffed normalize is only in the two games with enemy EVs (gen 7 and Bd/Sp)

[slim grove]

How do I unfuse a pokemon?

[stuck bane]

Oh true that, normalize could be fun on stuff like normalize head charge Bouffalant and stuff, but at the end of the day it’s still walled by every ghost type since you can’t have scrappy at the same time, which isn’t super worth since ghost types are as popular as dragon types and we have most of the available ghost types in the game

[drowsy drift]

use odor sleuth

[digital ferry]

Soak could potentially work too

[arctic glacier]

Trick them a Ring target

Wrong place

[slim grove]

Ohh

[arctic glacier]

Boutta start working on a “Jynx” Sprite

[stuck bane]

“Oh man, so many amazing pink fish with lip sprites being filled by Jynx, Magikarp, goldeen, and feebas! If only there were a Pokémon like all 4 of them that could fill out its own niche and maximize the potential of pink fish with lips for fusions!”

[digital ferry]

Jynx is the best fish

[arctic glacier]

These fusions have been Dazzling

[stuck bane]

what’s this? A present underneath the tree? React with 1000 🎁 to open it!

inside was a mistletoe! And bruxish too! Bruxish is now confirmed for Pokémon infinite fusion

[lime gull]

I want Salazzle to mwke charizard hot and not in a fire sort of way

Also...how would Normalize work say on a Fairy/Normal fusion using a Fairy move. Does it stay Fairy and get stab or does it become Normal and STAB bit neutral damage

[white meadow]

Ngl a new reveal as Christmas present would be hella awesome
Maybe a starter trio

[stuck bane]

According to “leaked” info we’ve received (heavy quotations, it doesn’t confirm much if anything), I wouldn’t get hopes up on starter trios or cosmog or anything huge

[lime gull]

Also Normalize since Gen7 gives a 20% power boost to moves it affects. And you could TWave electric types with it. Wouldnt be a bad addition for fusion options

[digital ferry]

Oh there’s leaks? Do you have links? 🍿

[stuck bane]

I don’t wanna get in trouble for potentially spreading them, even though they’re technically accessible, am I allowed to dm them to you?

[finite thistle]

Ground types, but yeah, it's pretty cool

[digital ferry]

Sure

[white meadow]

Can you dm them to me too?

[stuck bane]

No

[white meadow]

Wow I thought you help a fellow gen 5 obsessed fan

[stuck bane]

You picked gogoat over Sawsbuck, we were never friends ||(jk)||

[lime gull]

More like Sucksbuck

Im also a big gen5 fan....but in this case Gogoat is way cooler

[stuck bane]

It’s been 10 minutes and they haven’t gotten back to me, so maybe it was something they don’t want people knowing

[lime gull]

So Ive been playing around hypothetical stuff in Showdown with Delcatty fusions and it has room for some great stuff if ever introduced. Thinking of ways to hurt Ghost types, maybe Curse them with a Normal/Ghost Delcatty 🤷‍♀️

[white meadow]

Maybe the leak isnt good
You should show me so I can check

[stuck bane]

Oof, okie dokie then I’ll keep it to myself if that reaction says anything

[lime gull]

I dont know if Toxic would be able to Poison a Ghost mon because it gets normalized

[digital ferry]

Wait did you message the wrong person? I never got anything from you?

[stuck bane]

Uh… lemme check

Maybe you try messaging me? Or something with adding as a friend?

[digital ferry]

Oh got it now. I blame the Discord update for hiding it

[stuck bane]

All good

[digital ferry]

You’re good @stuck bane ^^ Any speculation on what it could be? I guess we can rule out Torkoal tho ^^

[quartz shell]

I just want Tropius in the game so I can make fun dinosaur fusions

[lime gull]

Bruxish by the looks of this chat today

[stuck bane]

Oh so I am allowed to share, here it is for anyone curious

[arctic glacier]

Bruxish got terrible stats, but its aesthetics (not as a body lol), Psychic Fangs and abilities are top tier.

[sleek hornet]

don't know about aesthetics but yeah

But he (Blazquaza) did say that he'll be buffing some mons so we'll see lol

[lime gull]

If the gallery has anything to show today its that many people have a Bruxish kink

[digital ferry]

Bruxish is only one slot tho right? Unless the rumored Bruxish Prevo is real

[arctic glacier]

I hope Beedrill gets some TLC

[sleek hornet]

Ikr?

[stuck bane]

Yeah, just one slot, so if thing above is to be believed, and this bruxish stuff, could be 2 1-slotters

[sleek hornet]

Just like the pre-evo is a super cute fish XD

[lime gull]

Id love a school form Wishiwashi made of Luvdisc

[sleek hornet]

That would be pretty cool to see

I would also like to see a Fusion Between Florges and Delphox (dk about Delphox or any starters but I can always dream😢 )

[lime gull]

Most people think original Delphox is ugly but with fusions she could become awesome

[sleek hornet]

100%

[white meadow]

Omg I even was in that convo and didnt notice
So we get a 2 stage mon?

[lime gull]

Delphox/Gothitelle would be awesome

[white meadow]

I have a feeling I know a Mon that also fits to the time of year
Im not the biggest fan tho

[sleek hornet]

Absolutely

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/abomasnow-pokémon-abomasnow-ice-punch-pokémon-ice-punch-abomasnow-uses-ice-punch-gif-26231713

[sleek hornet]

I do like my Girl Gothitelle (Although my favorite out of the line is Gothirita.)

[digital ferry]

Another hail setter could be good ^^

[white meadow]

Thats only if he themes it on this time of the year

[lime gull]

Maybe we finally see Snover's berries the pokedex loves mentioning

[sleek hornet]

I do see some cool fusions with that as well

[white meadow]

If its about seasons Sawsbuck sounds likely

[lime gull]

Miltank/Abomasnow would have 4 large nipples on its back lol

[sleek hornet]

Oh gosh, XD

Just like Abamasnow and Nosepass has a BIG mustache

[stuck bane]

Do take it with a grain of salt, 469 is a weird uneven number to end off on (unless it’s a meme pick like malamar because upside down), there’s an equal chance it could be a red herring

[lime gull]

Abomasnow has moustaches covering its chest too

[sleek hornet]

Oh yeah that too

[white meadow]

I mean I can see why someone stops at 69

[sleek hornet]

Wait how many mons is he trying to adding again?

[stuck bane]

Officially: no more, yet ||but stuff like this is still fun to speculate about||

[sleek hornet]

Indeed lol

[lime gull]

Technically Meltan and Melmetal are Gen7. Just sayin

[stuck bane]

Oooo, that’s a creative one, and the reveal could be like “silver and gold” that works well for the holidays

[sleek hornet]

The fusion with that one

It would be pretty cool ngl

Like Melmetal and Klingklang

[last pecan]

dont listen to Hero we dont tell him shit

[lime gull]

Molten gear golem

[sleek hornet]

Ooooo yes

[last pecan]

hes makin stuff up to mess with yall

[sleek hornet]

XD

[stuck bane]

Or are you trying to mess with us?

[white meadow]

Does it happen often that Sprite Manager or so accidantly spill some leaks?

[lime gull]

Imagine the Galar fossils making their way into IF and becoming even more mishmash abominations. And then some random fusion ends up showing the original mon as it was

[stuck bane]

I know one sprite manager or something knew about aurorus for a while, but at the same time Pix obv didn’t know about this so it seems variable

[last pecan]

im a man of the people, tryin to clear up hero's pranks

[white meadow]

Yeah I know Hero we are good friends he is definetly such a prankster lol

[stuck bane]

So probably a red herring

[last pecan]

were done adding mons for a while, the frog is tired and wants to rest, idk how long tho, he did say smth about 2024 tho (if i remember right)

[stuck bane]

Oh yeah that makes sense too, was just surprised to hear another potential “reveal” after all this, by all means I want him to take his time so we have time for more meloetta sprites to be made

[hidden relic]

I'm a man made of people, who must create more pranks 🫦

[white meadow]

So you will punish everyone from Secret Spriter with a Green name now as a prank?

[stone cliff]

Everyone that fails to submit for secret spriter gets a black name for coal

[native cypress]

add dragapult

[stuck bane]

seriously why don't we have that "nothing past gen 7" message pinned?

[brittle spade]

sad they didn't add Salazzle

[ocean ermine]

so uhh Toxicroak when?

[stuck bane]

Toxicroak is good: only poison and fighting type to get anticipation (amazing in nuzlockes), also only poison and fighting type to get dry skin, and the only fighting type with poison touch, good attack, Croagunk anime references, and toxicroak just has a great design, especially the blades could look great in fusions

[ocean ermine]

Also more primay posion types are nice that are not solo poison, the stats on the earlier gen poison pure types in game are rather bad and bring down whatever they fuse with.

[lime gull]

Why are anime references important? If we go by the anime we would have a limited pool of boring "popular" mons and never Porygon

Or Jynx

The anime sucks in showcasing the weirdo mons I love

[stuck bane]

No but Croagunk jab references are actually super good and one of the staples of the anime, a ton of fun looking sprites can be made using that

Toxicroak does have way more reasons than salazzle, the only things it has are only poison type to get oblivious, and only fully evolved fire type to get oblivious, only Mon that gets corrosion, and good special attack and speed, it’s not a bad pick, but corrosion alone just can’t compete with everything toxicroak has going for it

[lime gull]

And also its sexy

[stuck bane]

I’m sure there’s other games to play if you only care about salazzle for that reason, even if it were added mods are pretty strict on even mildly suggestive sprites, so you wouldn’t get what you want anyways

[lime gull]

Another reason for Salazzle is that it and its pre evo are very different so they add more variety in sprite possibilities (small crawling lizard with burglar mask or feminine upright lizard girl). croagunk/Toxicroak are much more similar thus less variety

[ocean ermine]

If there was even a possibility of getting that kind of sprite in game then goodra and Reshiram would have already had those as alt sprites, espeically considering how the fandom views those two mons.

[lime gull]

One thing I notice with IF is that the lines which have vastly different looking stages (like Remoraid/Octollery) add a lot of variety for sprites. Imagine if the Pawmi line was added. Youd have 3 stages of the same thing

[stuck bane]

You’re joking right? Croagunk and toxicroak are super different, hands, throat pouch and cheek pouches, pose, horns, stripes, toxicroak and Croagunk are similar enough to tell they’re the same line, but they’re not the same like dusk and midday Lycanroc

Also wait what kind of argument is that salazzle is literally just a stretched out Salandit with some flaps and colors moved around

[lime gull]

2 different body types

[ocean ermine]

sentret furret have more change between evos

[stuck bane]

Ok, you keep saying that, but I don’t think you know the difference between body type and pose, this is the similar body type in a different pose, like how plusle and minun are same body types in different poses:

Move Salandit’s scarf to tail, stretch it out like a dog toy, and done, you got a salazzle

[hidden relic]

Not going too far into this, but this is def true. There's a reason the Lati twins don't have lots and lots of sprites.

[lime gull]

Granted I was never a Croagunk fan lol. It always looked like a clown to me and then Toxicroak having a clown nose under its chin

[stuck bane]

Still more interesting design wise than this!

[hidden relic]

Salazzle sucks too

[plucky lily]

Did Bruxish get announced or something?

[stuck bane]

No, surprisingly, just alot of sprites from the bruxish cult, and confirmed no new mons for a while

[ocean ermine]

my whole reason for wanting toxicroak is actually because i was doing a type restricted run and found out most poison type mons have really bad stats especially bringing down whatever they fused with my team has 2 different rosaraid fusions because that gave decent stats and kept the poison typing.

[plucky lily]

Ahhh gotcha, I was noticing a couple staff members posting Bruxish fusions that didn’t get posted in #1050404143807873157 . I was like, “Do they know something we don’t? “

I get that a lot of people find that mon ugly but that color palette!!! chefs kiss

[stuck bane]

We were wondering as well earlier today, but yes, deconfirmed and they’re just getting bruxish alts in before the next sprite pack

(We like bruxish too I didn’t like at first but they won me over too)

[lime gull]

Bruxish head on Salazzle body tho 😱

[plucky lily]

Thought it might be a surprise drop.

[ocean ermine]

you really got a thing for slazzle huh?

honestly im just glad i got Frosslass it was one of my faves i started with gen 3 games got to gen 4 and loved the new mons and eevee-lutions though one i hope gets added just for variety is gastrodon

since its one mon with 2 variants

[stuck bane]

Froslass and snorunt were amazing picks that were automatic 3s for me as well, and yeah alot of people want Gastrodon too for things like slug fusions and storm drain on a ground type, the colors on both shellos and Gastrodons are nice too

[ocean ermine]

could get a magcargo and gastrodon fusion for that water fire mollusc

[stuck bane]

Ooooo that’s a creative one

[lime gull]

Funnily enough Id imagine the gen5 elemental monkeys would be hated here as much as the community in general because theres nothing much to do with them lol

[ocean ermine]

Only one good elemental monkey I know and his name is chimchar

[stuck bane]

Elemental monkeys: would make a hilarious prank if your system date says April 1st your starters are always these guys no matter what settings you’re playing on, other than that they’re kinda underrated, simipour has been a surprising champion of multiple nuzlockes, all 3 bring good speed, attack, and special attack, simisage is the only grass type to naturally get gluttony, and simipour is the only water type to get gluttony, and they could potentially bring a triple fusion

They do, in fact, have a few things going for them (but not simisear lol), id put them on par with salazzle because they have a bit of stuff but other mons offer more

[lime gull]

Simipour looks like it has Mareanie for hair

And Simisear looks like it wants to die

[stuck bane]

(Because it was made before mareanie that’s like saying every voltorb looks like one of castforms spheres)

[lime gull]

No i mean if there was a Mareanie/Simipour fusion it would hace a great crown starfish for hair

[stuck bane]

Oh, well yeah there’s that, the general consensus is that simipour has the best design of the three with simisear as the worst

[somber rock]

I'm just sad the toxel/toxtricity didn't get picked

[agile olive]

those are past gen 7

[mossy reef]

IDK why people keep saying we'll never get Gen 9 fusions. I mean, I've already found a Fuexly...

[sage kettle]

i wish salandit had a male version

something like this kind of

higher quality though obviously

[white meadow]

I have a Regional evo from a male pure Poison salandit

[hushed mantle]

What did i miss today? Why is every single staff member doing bruxish fusions?

[woeful anchor]

Why is the game limited on the amount of pokemon they can add?

[knotty ore]

because the number of fusions gets too much for the game to handle. right now there's more than 218k possible combinations

and this is considering that it became possible to add around 30 more mons just recently, which added around 30k more combos

I don't remember the exact number of the new mons added tbh but this is just a brief explanation

adding just one pokemon also adds slightly less than 1k possible fusions

[stuck bane]

Wait I thought the game was only limited by the effort it took to add a Pokémon now:

[lament tundra]

The technical limit is now more pokemon than actually exist. But still, not everything will be able to be in the game.

If every pokemon ever made was in the game, there would be over a million fusions.

We're also limited to gen 7 max due to the coding the game is based on.

[stuck bane]

Well yeah obviously the gen 7 max limit, but theoretically entirety of Gen 7 is possible, right (after about a decade and a lot of effort?)

Also according to this it’s definitely possible to get over 1 million fusions:

[white meadow]

Yeah but fusions dont count as actual slots anymore
Only the Vanilla Pokemon and I think Triples

[viscid mica]

wait so technically, with no limit on pokemon anymore, would a hoenn postgame+ be possible? since potentially there can be enough new pokemon to populate it lmao

[stuck bane]

This is unfortunately only Pokémon that can be added, the map size is still limited and there’s definitely not enough room to add an entire new region

Unless you’re only asking about a kanto map with only hoenn mons appearing? That might be possible but not anytime soon (around the time Volbeat/illumise are added), and frog would need to go out of his way to code it anyways

[shy edge]

Can I get 424 spirit

[white meadow]

Scolipede?

Idk what you mean lol

[shy edge]

Spirit

Like this

How can I get

??

[dreamy cove]

You mean sprite?

[shy edge]

Yes

[white meadow]

#assets-gallery or in #1050404143807873157 the first post pretty much at the top there is a link than

[hushed mantle]

Spirit 💀😭

[clever atlas]

Man living in Smash bros

[last pecan]

just to clarify! i double checked and technically he just said '24!

just dont wanna be the cause of any misinfo

[sharp nebula]

next pokemon coming in 3024, get hyped!

[last pecan]

woo!!!!

[hollow plume]

im still uqset that the regis got in but mightyena didnt

[tranquil path]

https://tenor.com/view/regice-regirock-registeel-running-run-gif-16398635

[tough shore]

We are getting all of the gen 7 mons after the sun explodes

Oh also check #announcements

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokémon-chainsaw-bruxish-team-rocket-gif-12695848432645923121

[glossy osprey]

lol nice

[tough shore]

Once I get home from Christmas I will give the fish one chance, hopefully it’s fun to sprite

[digital ferry]

I can confirm that it is ^^

[violet pawn]

yooo bruxish let's go

[last pecan]

my bad he meant the 24th

[arctic glacier]

I got it right lol #1183481052119961722 message

[proud lion]

I had a sussy feeling that Bruxish will be our Christmas gift

[stuck bane]

Good guess, I only guessed mistletoe reveal yesterday

[bitter comet]

I have no words

[stuck bane]

Now when will they reveal the dex number, unless…?

[bitter comet]

Unless we’ve been trolled/j

[stuck bane]

I think they put too much effort into like 20 bruxish sprites to be a troll, if it were April sure but I personally am happy for bruxish, I’ll be sipping some hot cocoa as I watch the flame war among the community

[bitter comet]

Same man I feel like it will make some funny and cursed sprites

[arctic glacier]

I'm guessing 468, but I'm waiting on an official number to post in spritework

[proud lion]

I already did my contribution yesterday once I found out they were sneaking in the new Pokemon

I think they are finding that one GIF of Bruxish with the text edit

Like this one

[white meadow]

They actually add Bruxish 😂
Thats the best worse christmas gift ever

• That tells us they lied about no new reveal

[white meadow]

Was obvious ngl

I didnt expect frog to not give us something 😂

[feral bear]

OHMYFUCKING GOD WE ARE SOOOOO BACK

[stuck bane]

I had a feeling, I had a 70% hunch that Simon was the same guy who said the Pokémon that started with a “s” wasn’t sableye and then turned out to be sableye

[arctic glacier]

I'm gonna exclusively make Bruxish Bodies

I'll leave those juicy lips to other spriters

[amber ice]

I can't believe you guys have done this

[feral bear]

THEY LET THE GIRLS HAVE BRUXISHHHHH

[crisp prawn]

Is bruxish actually in?

[warm atlas]

why do the gen 5 starters not exist?

[white meadow]

But when Hero said 470 should be Torkoal
That means we probably get another singlestage mon

[feral bear]

https://tenor.com/view/avatar-eywa-neytiri-heard-you-prayers-answered-gif-24937525

[proud lion]

#announcements

[amber ice]

I once was happy

Also, what a fucking banger of a song

didn't expect to suddenly hear that one

[stuck bane]

I’m with family can’t hear the music what does it sound like lmao?

[proud lion]

At least it aint the Illumise/Volbeat or Plusle/Minun lines

[arctic glacier]

It’s hard to be mad, it’s one new Pokemon with a very distinct palette and outline

[crisp prawn]

I don't know if we're being hoodwinked or not :'v

[stuck bane]

Yeah bruxish has to be 469 it just has to be

[outer matrix]

No bruxish pls

[amber ice]

too 👄 late🫦

[sweet frigate]

Oh...well then.

[last pecan]

if you look closely, we have

[crisp prawn]

If it is actually in, I am so redoing my bruxish/mawile.

[amber ice]

It's "I Get Around" fom The Beach Boys, banger as i said

[outer matrix]

469k members despite discord saying that this server has 459k members

[crisp prawn]

Oh shiz, it is for real, isn't it?

[amber ice]

sadly

[bold atlas]

oh

so that's a thing

[crisp prawn]

Gee FINALLY! It's about bloody time we got the psycadelic fish :D I knew there was a bruxish cult among the secret spriters, but I didn't know they had actual political leverage. Sweet.

[stuck bane]

Oh, so you have, again sorry for bringing the one thing to peoples attention I thought the green light was given

[outer matrix]

Also isn't meloetta 466 & 467? Where is 468 if 469 is going to get revealed?

[stuck bane]

It’s a 1-slotter

[sharp nebula]

even if it was one slot, that would leave 2 empty between them

[outer matrix]

There's a team bruxish now

Hope that minior is 468 if bruxish is 469

[proud lion]

Two gods in one

[stuck bane]

Well, it’s not Torkoal at least

[eager jungle]

[stuck bane]

Minior is a good one, shaymin

[arctic glacier]

Bruxish’s number is 469, which leaves 468 open for a single stage…

[outer matrix]

Minior hopefully

[civic harness]

BRUXISH WIN KAJAJAJA

[outer matrix]

Shooting star (or meteor) for Christmas

[civic harness]

YEEEEES

Now bring us Crabominable

KAJAJAJA

[stuck bane]

I’ve made my one stages pretty clear, anything from unova would be nice, ||give us Alomomola as bruxish’s sister||

[proud lion]

I think Minior could be 2 slots for shelled and unshelled

[fleet quail]

We have Bruxish, now give us Pumpkaboo for New Years!

[low dock]

You might have influenced us :>

[outer matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/seoloistt-nereris-chaetzukimbap-squidward-gif-24679311

[static ridge]

i'm confused

[arctic glacier]

Self-fulfilling prophecy

[civic harness]

So... Crabominable for New Year

KAJAJAJAJAJ