pif-hoenn-discussion

[prime dust]

those are the only options

[storm pivot]

aight um..ill- ill try

https://tenor.com/view/ive-lost-guys-ellis-greaves-thetruefox-its-my-lost-i-got-defeated-gif-23499461

i have no idea what im fucking doing. anyways, ima go back to making sprites

[prime dust]

lol

[strange jetty]

Is meloetta out?

Or has meloetta not released yet?

[gray vine]

not

[strange jetty]

Ah

[storm pivot]

it wouldve been so hilarious if i actually knew how to code and i came back like 4 days later with the entire next generation coded into the game

[sand mica]

Oh I know what Klefki can be used for. Klefki Keyblade!

[obsidian nebula]

what do i use to make new sprites?

[inland jewel]

Considering you’d have to learn Ruby idk

Since Ruby is like the rpgmaker code

[storm pivot]

rpgmaker? i have like, 30...minutes of experience

[inland jewel]

Yeah this game is made in Rpgmaker

[prime dust]

rpg maker xp specifically

[drowsy drift]

using pokemon essentials as the base

heavily, heavily modified of course

[hushed mantle]

What is this channel used for now?

[brisk vessel]

Talking about meloetta and the mons that could have been

[prime dust]

the full code nonsense is:

RPG Maker XP Base + Pokemon Essentials V18 + Custom Frogman Code

[slender verge]

klefki and aegislash and have goofys shield

[ebon glacier]

Post it in #1050404143807873157 for feedbacks

[obsidian nebula]

alright, thanks

[sharp nacelle]

Anyone here?

[gray vine]

no

[sharp nacelle]

Question, do we have a date for when meloetta and fusions will be added?

[gray vine]

dont think so

[next flare]

Probably the end of December since that’s when the first Meoetta sprites will get in

[stuck bane]

I'm hoping not, it won't be closer until early january because meloetta was at the tail end of november, I'm really hoping not until february just so there's plenty of time for good sprites to be added (mostly sprites from more than a few days), and a good event to go along with it

[white meadow]

Is blasepholons signature move knock bach or exploding damage for itselfe?

[hollow quest]

it's considered explosion damage (as damp makes it not able to be used) but it doesn't faint it, it just loses half its max health

[white meadow]

Thats sad
Imagine if rock head would work on it

[daring burrow]

so no more new pokemon added right

[sullen elbow]

I know magic guard works

[tame flax]

Electrode fused with reuniclus is deadly

[white meadow]

With magic guard I dont f up myselfe?

[tame flax]

that is correct, ive done it

[tame flax]

use electrode body with reuniclus head

[white meadow]

Thats nice to know

[sullen elbow]

Mind blown is not explosion

[brisk vessel]

I saw the word explosion so I thought this was about explosion

[deft obsidian]

What is the next pokemon adds in fusion?

[brisk vessel]

Do u mean when the last mon gets added or when we're getting a new batch of votes

[deft obsidian]

New pokemon to fusion dex.

[brisk vessel]

Then idk probably not for a while

Maybe around 6 months to a year from now or smth

[sterile spoke]

The last time we got new Pokémon was like two and a half years ago, or so. 😛

Though it's easier to add new Pokémon now, so hopefully the wait won't be as long. 🙂

I'm no authority on this, it's solely Frogman's decision at the end of the day. 😮

[brisk vessel]

I hope we get Archeops and Golisopod next 😁

[sterile spoke]

It'll be starters, I suspect. 😅

[brisk vessel]

🥹

[white meadow]

I hope for some Packs
Like Unovan pack
Unova Starters
Some Unova mons
And some mons that fit to unova or unovan charakters

[sterile spoke]

It'll be a starter pack before anything else, I imagine. They dominated the polls. 😂

So that's 27 Pokémon off the bat. 😅

Let's say it gets rounded up to the nearest multiple of 5 or 10. That gives us a chance for Ribombee and Pangoro. 😉

[oak fiber]

I really hope we'll get Zangoose and Seviper one day, they could make such amazing fusions

[white meadow]

Or the Circus update
Gen 7 starters
Pyroar
Meowstic
Jellycent
Conkeldurr
Liepard
Chatot
Kriketune
Grumpig
Spinda
Crabominable
Bruxish
Mudsdale
And Blacepholon as "legend"

[agile olive]

this is my thought as well

[agile olive]

yeah I would love both of those. I would be happy

[white meadow]

I would love Theme packs

[grave jolt]

It's Archen time bois!

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1137892936915361942/1178398524380037321/image.png?ex=65887525&is=65760025&hm=7fa7e72ca9e8e7428bd8ba45dd9cc9a0e3871eb03afe58724cb02811f56d0df7&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[brisk vessel]

Besides Meloetta
Archeops was the other main Mon I was rooting for

Yveltal and Golisopod are some other ones I want

[white meadow]

Prehistoric dangers
Archeops
Cerracosta
Golisopod
Camerupt
Relicanth
Drapion
Toxicroak
Crustle
Druddigon
Avalugg
Salazzle
Kommoo

[deft obsidian]

toxicroak...i toxicroak more.

[keen crater]

when is the november pack comin out?

[grave jolt]

packs come out at the end of the month.

[keen crater]

so is the november pack overdue?

[grave jolt]

They come out at the end of the following month.

[lament tundra]

October just came out at the end of november. November will come out at the end of december.

[silent acorn]

I was gonna say, I really wonder if the reason people want Archeops is maybe on the off chance we got Carracosta as bonus. Because think about it. How does it make sense without one of the fossils

I do think people gotta stop saying archeops is underrated, it really is not, it has a reason to be hated that reason being called defeatist. Also archeops doesn't have hidden abilities or unique moves nor does it have much aside from being a glass cannon that implodes mid battle.

[silent acorn]

Yo blaq tell me your thoughts on archeops

[sterile spoke]

We don't need Rock-types, we need Fairy and Fighting-types. 😛

[silent acorn]

Why are you so based Blaq?

People be out here putting tropius and archeops, when what we need is to FIGHT the haters and be FAIRy to the underrepresented

[sterile spoke]

Excluding the Jangmo-o line because I'd have rather had that line over the Goomy one, the ones that haven't already been added here are my picks for future additions. 🙂

[wanton cliff]

I mean it pretty broken when abilities are random

[silent acorn]

Every mon is that and aside from defeatist archeops doesn't bring much new

[wanton cliff]

Personally I would love wishiwashi

[silent acorn]

Pangoro, Hippowdon and Beartic are really shat on even though they got interesting stuff.

[sterile spoke]

They are, which is a shame because they all have so much to offer. 😢

Beartic arguably less so, but I just think it'd be fun, and more Ice-type variety is always nice. 🙂

[silent acorn]

They do. I don't know why people crap on my boy panda Jotaro the punchy criminal

[silent acorn]

Slush rush makes a bit interesting even with a fast mon as base. Only wish the Gen 8 mechanic of ice granting defense was present

[hardy leaf]

we need hoopa!

[clever atlas]

I agree with most of these
Just manectric and Gourgeist aren't needed imo and Kommo im not too Keen about but could have cool fusions

[wanton cliff]

I would love gougeist just because not could make some cool Halloween fusions

[sterile spoke]

Kommo-o would be my pick over Goodra. Now that Goodra's been added, I don't care for it. 😅

[wanton cliff]

Gourgeist lopunny would go hard

[sterile spoke]

So my top picks for future additions (in National Pokédex order) would be as follows: 😄

• Electrike line
• Hippopotas line
• Croagunk line
• Cresselia
• Dwebble line
• Cubchoo line
• Mienfoo line
• Pancham line
• Swirlix line
• Pumpkaboo line
• Diancie
• Wimpod line
• Komala

[silent acorn]

Goodra is... Honestly wanting to use noibat more than goodra. Just cuz I can find it a bit early... I really don't care for goodra much.

[silent acorn]

Hmmm why Komala?

[sterile spoke]

Comatose. 🙂

[silent acorn]

Huh... To avoid sleeping? Yeah that's handy

[sterile spoke]

Some are designs I like, some are fun gimmicks, some are types we need adding. 😄

[sterile spoke]

No, the opposite. To avoid all other statuses. 😉

[silent acorn]

Oh right I forgot it had that effect interesting

Definetely underrated from the sleeping and dream mons niche

I would love to see Musharna in, I have tried using it, it's pretty interesting

[wanton cliff]

I like wishiwashi bc the idea of the school form could make some really cool fusions

[sterile spoke]

Making sprites for the School Form would be a special kind of hell. 😛

[silent acorn]

Spriting 1000s of individual fish shapes do be hellish

[lament tundra]

Just make one and copy it 1000 times

[wanton cliff]

Well you dont have to do each fish

[silent acorn]

In order to make a shape that's not just a cardboard fish you do.

[sterile spoke]

As a Spriter, you do. 😛

[silent acorn]

Angles and stuff. It's definetely one that's demanding.

[wanton cliff]

Ah

I still think it could have some cool ideas in it

[worldly parrot]

wishiwashi x rotom could be cool

[wanton cliff]

Wait do we have elgeyem?

[silent acorn]

Xerneas is a pretty awesome legendary fairy and Yveltal another awesome legendary dark type

[sterile spoke]

In order to add a few other underrepresented types, I'd probably add some more fun ones (and brings up my list to 55): 😄

• Poochyena line
• Meditite line
• Numel line
• Tropius
• Spheal line
• Stunky line
• Carnivine
• Victini
• Blitzle line
• Scraggy line
• Deerling line
• Litleo line
• Furfrou
• Skrelp line
• Grubbin line
• Crabrawler line
• Minior
• Togedemaru

[wanton cliff]

Minor would be cool

Always room for more space fusions

[silent acorn]

I mean tropius wouldn't really fill the underrepresented types... It is flying type one of the most common ones.

I would really like people to like go out and use Tropius in a run with it, and try to see how they fare, like everyone and see if it's the peer pressure or it's realistic.

The one thing it does have it's the fact it's one Slot so it getting in wouldn't be such a bad slap in the face.

[white meadow]

Goat where

[silent acorn]

Here... ||wanna make a coalition?||

[sullen elbow]

Carnivine

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/really-justin-timberlake-close-up-judging-you-intense-judgment-gif-11823466

[white meadow]

Carnivine is interesting for fusions but Gogoat is better

[sullen elbow]

I was questioning why carnivine

[white meadow]

Oh sorry

[tame flax]

Needs more puff

[silent acorn]

I love my Deerling. How not to, it's solid

[wanton cliff]

I would be concerned if it was liquid

[silent acorn]

When its winter It kinda is.

[wanton cliff]

Is snow q liquid?

It's made of solids

[sharp nebula]

snow is solid

[prime dust]

snow is just shy of being non-newtonian fluid

[sterile spoke]

What? 😮

That's already in the first half of the list. 😛

[sterile spoke]

Grass is actually underrepresented in IF.

[sterile spoke]

A venus fly trap has loads of fusion potential. 🙂

I can already imagine ones for Omastar, Octillery, Magcargo, Parasect and Mawile, for example. 😄

[wanton cliff]

Hydreigon

[pale osprey]

when all hope was lost

god was like "bruh i got you" and meloetta wins by pure rng luck

[tame flax]

Oh my b

A line I think would be cool is the kommo o line

Big ol' dancing armor dragon clanging his scales around

[wanton cliff]

Idk if elgeyem is in the game

[tame flax]

He is not

[wanton cliff]

Sas

My little guy

[tame flax]

Ik what you mean

My little guy was this close to getting in

1/12 chance

[silent acorn]

Grass not flying. But I appreciate giving my deer support

People who want tropius wanna eat fruits

See I would support tropius on one single condition to all spriters... Make more fruits than just the banana

Like I don't know whether the fruit is part of the body or the head. Maybe the head, but like different fruit on the fusions would be funny, like just having tropius be used for more than 'It's a dino' would make me excited for it.

[wanton cliff]

Thee leaf wings would be interesting

I would love to see a tropius and lapras fusion

[empty pendant]

exeggutor with tropius would have coconuts

or tropius fused with jigglypuff having peaches, tropius fused with jirachi having starfruits...

could even have fun using the palettes and designs of canon pokemon world fruit. tropius fused with squirtle having blue oran berries, anyone?

[empty pendant]

if we get tropius eventually, I'll make tropius/kecleon with lil enigma berries

[orchid vault]

exegcute fruit salad/fruit bowl

[honest nest]

Claydol is the Pokemon that needs to be added to this game. I think the game would benefit from more variety when it comes to fusions. Variety comes in the form of abilities and stats mostly. A lot of fusions boil down to (Pokemon at home)

Like for example, I could fuse Kabutops with Ttar and basically I end up Ttar at home. Stats aren't that different and the abilities I can take or leave. Like despite there being a sprite for it, I see almost no reason to use a fusion like that unless I REALLY love those two Pokemon specifically.

Claydol, however, has amazing bulk stats, even attacking stats and an ability that's probably one of the best you can get in infinite fusion. It can be fused with any mon and will probably make it better in multiple ways without immediately detracting from what that Pokemon originally brought to the table.

[white meadow]

Ew a pvp guy and not looks

(jokeing)

[honest nest]

I can only look at a Pokemon for so many seconds before I'm bored 😂 I understand the focus on making sprites, that is not lost on me. It's just not something I would prioritize over gameplay in a game

[white meadow]

Tbh in nearly any other game it does make sense to be a big part
But in a game that is about looks and makeing everything somehow viable not so much

[stuck bane]

it definitely would bring interesting fusions, but it needs to bring something no other pokemon can mechanically in order to be a pick above any other:

it has good defense and great special defense, but plenty of other pokemon have those too, but this does make claydol viable for head and body fusions

it does get levitate, but it has to compete with other levitate users: on the psychic body side it has to compete with solrock and lunatone, latias, bronzong, uxie, cresselia, etc. it even has to compete with flygon as a ground type head, of which flygon brings better HP in exchange for less special defense. so it does have uses, just is met with alot of competition

so, probably not THE top pick of all time, but could still be good

[gray vine]

well i mean the game is about fusions and fusing

so its gonna be about fusions

[inland jewel]

my 20 in Dex order:
Pelliper Line (2)
Skuntank (2)
Gigalth (3)
Vanilluxe (3)
Alomomola (1)
Aromatisse (2)
Heliolisk (2)
Crabrawler (2)
Kommo-o (3)

and then we can get the starter update

[stuck bane]

9 unova choices to make up for this update is so based

[sharp nebula]

crabominable 🤮

[inland jewel]

we need more ice and fighting types

[honest nest]

Correct, that statement was rhetorical. I was describing that while looks are nice, it's a GAME to be PLAYED and so prioritizing gameplay is where I stand.

And as for having other levitate users, this is true but it also means you're stuck with whichever typing that levitate Mon has. Claydol adds more options to fusions that have the levitate ability, and its attacking stats don't discriminate as much as the stats of the other levitate users

[stuck bane]

a few stinkers, but also some gems like pelliper, gigalith, vaniluxe, alomomola (underrated as hell), and kommo-o would probably also be good

[white meadow]

made some update ideas up here

[inland jewel]

its funny because dexwise, Aromatisse is smelly as hell,

[honest nest]

This is something I totally agree with. I need my boy Hariyama in this game.

[stuck bane]

where are you getting claydol having great attacking stats? they're more average than anything

not to mention it's a pretty limited movepool, claydol isn't known for any great moves besides maybe explosion

[stuck bane]

I meant stinkers as in aromatisse really only brings fairy typing and not much else, we've really tried to make good reasons to add aromatisse, but if even the most diehard aromatisse fans can't agree on what it is, spriters definitely won't be able to do much with it

[inland jewel]

I wanted to put both Hariyama nad Meinshao, but we only have so much space

[inland jewel]

i mean, sprite-wise, it offers feathers, pink, fluffy, and plague doctor mask

[silent acorn]

Yo don't talk crap about my baby toy claydol, we want him for aesthethics

[gray vine]

yeah gotta be strategic and not just get whatever you want

[stuck bane]

I agree with you! it'd bring amazing biblically accurate angel fusions and stuff, I was just shutting down the guy who thinks claydol has amazing attacking stats

[silent acorn]

Nah he doesn't he has medium stats, decent defensive stats and has a nifty little typying

Oh yeah and he has levitate

Levitate distribution on Gen 3 was crazy

[honest nest]

Never said that the attacking stats were good, just that they were even which means they won't negatively effect the other Pokemon's attacking stats when fused as much as other Pokemon can.

[honest nest]

I don't understand are you agreeing with me here or are you trying to say my opinion is wrong 😂 thinking of levitate strategies with claydol IS strategizing

[silent acorn]

True you write that they don't discriminate

Pokemon with stats that don't discriminate are nice because they are an all rounder for fusions l

[gray vine]

to your point about having levitate stuck to a specific typing, i was saying yeah gotta be strategic not just get whatever youw ant

[silent acorn]

Well claydol has similar typying to Lunatone and Solrock, except he is somewhat more his thing.

For aesthethics I think Claydol does it better tho

[gray vine]

i dont even know why that argument started claydol isnt even in

[honest nest]

My point is that I've done the viable strategies with currently available levitate options but having another one with stats that lens itself to fusions of all kinds would be healthy as an addition to the game. This whole thread is about discussing NEW Pokemon, AKA things we want lol

[silent acorn]

It is on the table

[gray vine]

and tbj i doubt it will get in there are not that many spots left for mons and i bet abunch will be filled with starters

[stuck bane]

I mean, yeah, can't really argue with that, must've been just so tunnel vision trying to argue that aromatisse "doesn't have cat ears or eagle beak or rat body" or any of that stuff that the simple stuff must've passed me by, I'm willing to say aromatisse is at least neutral or good now, bumping slurpuff back up there too because counterparts.

[silent acorn]

Some guy said it was impossible for lycanroc to get in because it was generic, and yet here we are

[gray vine]

thats because it was put in

[silent acorn]

Yeah not by the devs.

[honest nest]

Man this Silverr guy cannot be pleased 😂 dude has a Negative Take Detector and it's always going off

[stuck bane]

lycan is kind of bland compared to most other dogs we have (lillipup my beloved) but it's technically one of the only wolf-like ones and brought alot mechanically too

[gray vine]

i was gonna argue the werewolf but we already had zoroark

[honest nest]

Plus I enjoy Lycan because it has some pretty unique stat/move distro for rock types which adds to the variety

Most rock types are slow, good defense and good physical attack. Most fusions with rock types become "rock type at home + new ability"

Seems cool at first but is depressingly limited

[silent acorn]

Everyone can call it whatever they want the fact it's in its a statement everyone can eat their sass

[stuck bane]

can you repeat that I can't tell if you or I had a stroke when writing or reading that

[silent acorn]

Everyone can eat their words when they call a mon generic or bland. Just pick a side. It sucks or its cool

What's funny is that I voted for most of the Gen 3 mons that made it despite everyone saying they were meh choices

[stuck bane]

I see, so like how everyone who said lycanroc was better than meloetta can eat their words now that meloetta swept the contest?

[gray vine]

i hate no mon exept the onion head deer

[silent acorn]

I mean... Spriters didn't get to pick any mythicals meloetta was a shot in the dark of a one in 12 chance

[gray vine]

but i use mons on design never on stats cause it really wont matter, i aint gonna play aaginst a human so who cares beating a.i is easy

[silent acorn]

Heh casul doesn't know IF is scheduled to become an MMO

[stuck bane]

no I mean the contest results, meloetta was top 5 and no lycanrocs anywhere to be seen, meloetta just brought way better looking fusions than lycanroc, not to say its bad, but melo's better

[gray vine]

who cares if its gonna be lul, i said i wont play against humans so i wont play against humans

[honest nest]

That's actually been my biggest gripe with this game so far. Needs more difficulty. At the very least there should be an endgame arean type thing with strong trainers that make competitive movesets worth using.

[silent acorn]

I and everyone faithful to meloetta already knew this was gonna happen.

[gray vine]

theres always the battle tower and the triple battle hosue

[silent acorn]

Humanoid mons FTW

[inland jewel]

to be fair, any good lycanroc sprites were already submitted before the contests so they couldnt be used

[silent acorn]

Time hax.

[stuck bane]

I think it can be difficult if you limit yourself, personally my gift only hardcore nuzlocke runs are absurdly difficult, especially if you limit yourself to no fusing or defusing, level caps, extreme randomized mode, etc.

[honest nest]

Funny enough I haven't tried battle tower in this game. I tried it way back in emerald and it was seriously like 25 battles with trainers who only use first evo Pokemon.

That aligns with my other criticism. Why do you fight so many trainers with magikarps and caterpies in their fusions? You'll be like level 50 and see a trainer with a pidkuna and a magiking or something weak as frick. These are changes that I cannot imagine are hard to implement, seems crazy to me how long you can get into the story and trainers will still use first stage evo

[gray vine]

never had that issue

you playing random?

cause then obviosuly they will have random mons but otherwise they should always be evolved to there level

[honest nest]

Like on the cycling path, those dudes should have some Machamp+Arbok fusion with no guard who spams gunk shots and dynamic punch. And Silverr...... Yes you have. We all fight the same trainers. They don't change between games unless we're on random. It's like that in both modern mode and classic.

It's not EVERY trainer but it is a large and unreasonable number of them

[stuck bane]

oh wait I know, some trainers, especially from randomized mode, have to be evolvable so they can evolve after fighting them a few times

[gray vine]

yeah trainer pokemon evolve even when fighting them so i cant say you have met unevolved mons over level

[honest nest]

Actually this is a reasonable enough answer that I hadn't considered

[stuck bane]

yeah, also I don't think they go out of the way to make this like an absurdly difficult game, other fan games exist for that, for the most part people just want to play this game for fun and see cool fusions

[honest nest]

I don't necessarily think that "fixes" the issue because in a game that is almost all grinding, I definitely don't want to have to face each trainer 5 times in a row just to have a satisfying time fighting them once 😂

[gray vine]

never had to grind either

there are enough trainers to level on the way, you alsoi get exp share early and exp all before fushia

[honest nest]

Now THIS is something I just fundamentally cannot understand. There are already different difficulty levels you can choose.... Why not make the choice matter?

Additionally, how can someone say "I want to play as that fusion" and be satisfied with essentially NOT playing as that fusion because all your moves oneshot anyway. Like that cannot possibly be fun.

And as for grinding, I'm not saying that I needed it to win. I'm saying that it's already a core component to the game and by adding more you're doing a disservice to people who already dislike those things.

Do you EV train? You grind. Did you catch a Pokemon and add it to your team late game? Can't use it at the gym until you grind. Whether or not it's a core part of YOUR game doesn't change how the game presents itself to the majority of people

[silent acorn]

This game takes like 10s to load a battle, making the battle last longer than it should sometimes it's torture

https://tenor.com/view/anime-mad-screw-you-gif-19032307

[honest nest]

JUST made anime girls??? Did God JUST create the Earth and the Heavens? Did Queen JUST write Bohemian Rhapsody? Was Mozart JUST writing the tragedy of Othello, causing me to yell in my English classroom hundred of years later? I don't think so, boyo

[silent acorn]

There is a bunch of punk, rock and metal Meloetta's

[stuck bane]

You have NOT been looking at the fusions, shuckle ocarina, raikou drums, and so many more. I’ve seen WAY more music/instrument/dance related fusions than waifu fusions

[silent acorn]

The waifu is the muse, the music the design.

To be fair you can find more inspiration on a waifu than in music itself

[stuck bane]

There are literally 17 music related fusions on the first page when you search “sprite-gallery meloetta”

[honest nest]

I think the best waifu is probably Miltank. No fusion. Just cow

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/sus-gif-24622425

[stuck bane]

In fact, even the contest results show this, 2 are singing, 1 is musical notes reference, 1 is guitar instrument reference, and 1 is dance reference. The only 2 you might call waifu mons are still music/dance references in of themselves

[silent acorn]

I like how some people act outraged at the term waifu when it's basically a sort of modern slang for calling a character pretty or the nicest.

Like they are jealous because their 'Totally rad robot pirate ninja from 10 years ago' doesn't have as much attention as the little pink gremlin wielding a hammer

[pale osprey]

its anime girl With musical instrument

peak

[stuck bane]

Assuming anything even vaguely feminine is sexual is probably one of the most sexist beliefs you can have, and I’ll die on that hill

[pale osprey]

i saw some of the comments in the contest and was like "really,that bothered you?" lol

[silent acorn]

Anime is unstoppable, pokemon is anime

[tame flax]

I wish the music was more of the focus, in most of the ones I've seen it just seems tacked on

[white meadow]

waifu is when female

[stuck bane]

But even then I’m just not seeing a lot of that, the mega altaria alt, the giratina one, the hypno ones, all of them came with a music design first and have zero waifu aspects

The Dusclops ones, the snorunt ones, the snorlax ones, there’s so many even on the first page it’s hard to keep track of

[hazy hare]

Yveltal when

[gray vine]

hopefully

[silent acorn]

When everyone decides tropius isnt a priority

Or archeops

[gray vine]

need my banana dino

im still so mad that the 3d scene made him constantly fly, it looks so bad

[silent acorn]

I'll deny it, it'll make sure everyone thinks it's too popular, too overrated, I'll turn it into the charizard of the grass types

[lethal roost]

tropius is fine. very adequate boy

[sullen elbow]

You know SV changed that, right?

[obsidian nebula]

tropius now stands after 10000 years

[hollow quest]

SV actually fixed a lot of issues with 3D models

some pokemon have notable fur, metallic pokemon have reflections, many animations were changed for the better, etc.

not saying they're perfect, but they are improved

[obsidian nebula]

yes

[sullen elbow]

It caught me off guard when I saw that electrodes mouth is actually 3d now

[lethal roost]

i also like how the HOME renders suck and dont show the metallic texture so you have to go find screenshots and you end up running straight into "please buy our genned pokemon for actual money" 🥰

but thats a HOME issue tbf

[hollow quest]

yeah home is a whole new can of worms

[sullen elbow]

The home renders are generally so ugly

[obsidian nebula]

home looks terribele

[gray vine]

i did not, tho i never found a tropius

[fallen pagoda]

wonder how aria and pirouette fusion would look like lol

[weak trellis]

I'm still sad they "fixed" minior's shinies on HOME because they looked so gooood

(for reference they had a tint that related to what color they would normally be, otherwise the shiny forms are all the same like alcremie's)

[silent acorn]

Hehehe. NOPIUS so I can deny it on the search

Nopius shall be denied

[stuck bane]

it is possible now, and we're guaranteed an autogen fusion, but I'm sure it's only a matter of time until someone attempts it, it hasn't even been a month and we've gotten so many meloetta sprites so it's bound to happen at some point

[silent acorn]

Lowkey meloetta is the mon we deserved but didn't need

[stuck bane]

truth, like, not only to get the best choice out of the whole raffle, but everything surrounding it has been so perfect for no reason

(though part of me is really scared with how many bruxish sprites have been "accidentally" handed out as part of secret spriter. like I think there's 5+ now, and no others of any other pokemon not yet in infinite fusion, are they actually going to reveal bruxish?)

[silent acorn]

How do you know?

I like the Spiritomb one

I hope hope whoever gets them cry. Because that's awesome.

[stuck bane]

because I've been keeping tabs on spritework occassionally, and all the fusions of mons that aren't in the game are bruxish, gimmie a second to check

never mind, only 3 so far, but still, two is a coincidence, 3 is starting to make people raise eyebrows, like NOBODY who's a fan of any other pokemon tried to rep theirs? only bruxish? and this early on?

[white meadow]

ong

[silent acorn]

Hehehe... Muahaha it's easily the most hateable mon that isn't half as bad in gameplay as Tropius, so it's easy to use it.

[brisk vessel]

Secret spriter mfs when I need to make a box legendary fusion 🥹

[stuck bane]

is tropius actually that bad? I'm kind of curious, I know it has a great design, but lets take a look: only good hp, wow nobody will use it for solar power since it competes with charizard's flying type and sunflora's grass type, same thing with chlorophyll competing with jumpluff, not to mention solar power and chlorphyll want you to have high special attack or speed, which tropius lacks, the only other thing you can argue is only flying type with leaf tornado? wow another mon I thought had alot more going for it. I still argue tropius could make good looking fusions, but it just can't mechanically function well

[weak trellis]

it feels like it'd be more at home with Johto's general statlines despite being a hoenn mon

[brisk vessel]

We need a tropius Evo

If Duraludon could get an Evo then nothing is stopping Tropius from getting one too

[grand lotus]

tropius evo would be crazy

[wintry hollow]

we NEED ROWLET

[sterile spoke]

All mouths are, and I think have been since Legends. 🙂

[merry shale]

Did I bring up Inkay and Malamar (Malimar?)
If not why not add them as they are one of my favourite Kalos mons with Contrary and the unique Dark Psychic type combo.
As for Alola mons?
I wanna see Drampa and Tortonator or tortunator whatever you call it because they would look cool as fusions in the game!

[clever vigil]

Bruxish better not get revealed. I will punch someone

[eager jungle]

no

[eager jungle]

exegcutor (idk how to spell it)/tropius = tropius evo

x)

[brisk vessel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/647392874459168768/1017473349913415780/kaguya_explode.gif

[trail terrace]

just to check its just the Night and Day version of lycanrock right?

[lament tundra]

Yes

Dusk is not in game cause it just looks like midday anyway

[trail terrace]

Valid

[sterile spoke]

It also basically has the same stats as Midday anyway 😅

[rustic owl]

I really like Dusk tbh but I understand the reasoning

[empty pendant]

it's just midday with a way better ability tbh

[sterile spoke]

Giving Midday Tough Claws as one of its abilities would be a really good way to bridge the gap. 🙂

[silent acorn]

Why not midnight, Midday has good abilities LOL

Vital spirit sucks quite a lot

[white meadow]

hey no guard is decent at least

[silent acorn]

That's a hidden, and we might as well give midnight something handy on the second ability

[tame flax]

Because tough claws accelerock is better than tough claws counter

[sterile spoke]

Because Dusk literally looks like an orange Midday. 😛

Rather than an orange Midnight. 😅

[quartz shell]

lol I drew a "mega" tropius a while ago

[glass patio]

great logic

[wintry hollow]

Yes we need rowlet

[clever atlas]

We don't

Would it be nice to have? Sure
Is it necessary? No
Frogman ultimately decides, not us

[inland jewel]

At best itll be included in a starter update

[empty pendant]

split the difference and give both of em tough claws as an ability option

[inland jewel]

Just make their HA tough claws

[sullen elbow]

replacing midnight's no guard would be a sin, so replace keen eye instead

[prime dust]

i mean we did decide

that generation of starters was number 3 on the poll before all starters got dq'ed because "having the poll be nothing but 2 generations of starters plus 2 other mons isn't interesting"

[stuck bane]

well, in that sense frog ultimately DID decide, he just decided not to listen to starter votes

[silent acorn]

Wisest person on the sub:

[tame flax]

Make no guard the regular ability, give them both ha tough claws

[silent acorn]

Vital spirit is ass, may as well change it.

[stuck bane]

I still feel like ignoring their main abilities would just be wrong, like we want them to be good not absurdly broken. If I had to, I guess the best I could come up with is a rockruff trainer you can talk to later on in your journey, for a price they can either give your rockruff own tempo (doesn’t allow dusk evolution) or give your current Lycanroc (either form) tough claws

[final spire]

mofo looks like a red pikmin, he has the leaf, and nose

[silent acorn]

Sounds a bit complicated

[stuck bane]

Yeah but naturally just replacing their abilities would probably confuse players even more, if you want tough claws so bad you’ll probably have to go out of your way to get it, if it were to be added

[white meadow]

let's be honest who the hell cares about keen eyes

also some pokemon already have abilities altered, like why the hell does flygon have dry skin as ha

[stuck bane]

1. Preventing accuracy drops isn’t a bad ability
2. Tough claws should not be naturally obtainable for mons that can’t get it even in the main games, unnaturally from like a trainer is fine in my eyes, but that rockruff egg from the secret garden should not get tough claws naturally that early in the game

Actually wow that is surprising, Flygon gets no HA, so maybe frog threw something on it since it can appear in the wild and can be affected by HA waves

[astral apex]

So how do I get Ultra Necrozma?

[gray vine]

put an item on it and use a move

Photon Geyser is the move and necrozium the item

[weak trellis]

really late but doesn't keen eye also ignore evasion increases too

checks* yep, gen 6 change. not super relevant but it can be a lifesafer in vanilla mode's midgame with all of the minimize spam from the grimers and clefairies

[astral apex]

Where do I get Necrozium then?

[ivory estuary]

I wanna talk to people on call but i dont know the right way to go about it, plus im kinda scared to ask

like for the infinite fusion game

im sorry ill stay quiet

[prime dust]

ask, though you might be better asking any questions in #gameplay-help

[prime dust]

on necrozma

[ivory estuary]

oh alright

[astral apex]

Dang so I have to do the quest, I'm playing randomized and I found one early so I was hopeful

Does ultra Necrozma reset to normal after a battle

[gray vine]

yes

[astral apex]

Dang so it's basically useless to me

[gray vine]

well its like a mega form

[short garden]

so... what goes on in this channel? now that the discussion's done...

[short garden]

i guess you could re-color sprites if you really wanted...

[stuck bane]

this channel doesn't die until all new pokemon have been added, also happens to be quite useful for pointing new players here for pinned messages on the new pokemon. we tend to mostly talk about what new pokemon could be good to see and for what reasons, possibly altering our personal votes in case something like another vote or spriter vote or raffle or etc. were to come up

[short garden]

ah, thank you

i was a veteran of the great pokemon vote wars and am just wondering what happens here now

[stuck bane]

all good, we'll wait to see, depending on when meloetta releases, this channel could stick around for a while, potentially leading into another batch of new mons added

[prime dust]

eh, i doubt frogman will do any more mons until a good ways through next year, and likely not as many so the spriters don't get as burned out

[stuck bane]

few theories on how that could work, could be drips of individual mons, could be a smaller (20 or so?) batch of mons for the next half year or so, could be a couple of things, but yeah spriter burnout is probably one of the main reasons why frog would want to take his time, even if he could add all the mons right now, i imagine he wants a good number of custom sprites for each mon added

[brisk vessel]

I wonder when the Meloetta update will drop

[silent acorn]

To be fair... Isn't every person's dream to have the power to make others suffer for the greater good?

[gray vine]

i dont even need the greater good part

[alpine rune]

same here

[cinder oasis]

Some cheeky trolling

[rustic owl]

Nah I'm not that desperate.

[wise bear]

What are some new gen pokemon that you would like to see in game

[late torrent]

Tinkaton, Farigiraf, Ceruledge, Centiskorch, Drednaw, Hatterene, Grimmsnarl, Toxtricity, Orbeetle, Meowscarada, Dachsbun, Ceititan, Annihilape, Clodsire, Coalossal, Frosmoth, Corviknight, Flapple and Appletun, Sandaconda, Cramorant, Alcremie, Copperajah, Duraludon, Dragapult, Zacian, Miraidon, Koraidon, Eternatus, Urshifu, Skeledirge, Bellibolt, Houndstone, Glimmora, Quaquaval, Lokix, Mabostiff, Grafaiai, Klawf, Maushold, and Espathra.

That’s 41 Pokemon in total

Along with their pre-evos

[wide sable]

I would like to see Xerneas, mostly because I wanna fuse him with Kyurem

[blazing garnet]

Definitely Tinkaton

[late torrent]

I like how I made a whole wall and you just said Xerneas

[alpine rune]

so basically everything

[late torrent]

Mhm

[stuck bane]

If we’re talking Gen 9 mons that will never be in the game unless another code breakthrough happens? Tinkaton and ceruledge/armarouge, Dachsbun, Annihilape, alcremie, copperajah, Dragapult, koraidon/miraidon, houndstone, mabostiff, maushold, and espathra are all good choices that bring something to the table, but again, big no unless one of you wants to take a crack at making the code work

New as in Gen 6/7? All starters would be good, Florges, Pangoro, malamar, gourgeist, aura trio, diancie, vikavolt, ribombee, wishiwashi, araquanid, lurantis, minior, cosmog, nihilego, pheromosa, kartana, guzzlord, and magearna

[brisk vessel]

I also want what they said

Eternatus most of all ofc

[late torrent]

Malamar?

[stuck bane]

Malamar brings contrary as well as funny upside down fusions, didn’t James have one in the anime as well?

[brisk vessel]

He only had inkay

[late torrent]

Bro, I'm so tired I thought you said Magmar

[stuck bane]

Lmao All good

[late torrent]

But yeah I would want malamar

[brisk vessel]

Malamar getting banned to Ubers for the first time ever ????

[stuck bane]

Yeah, only Mon that naturally gets contrary, can be super useful in playthrough/nuzlockes, and is the only dark and psychic type that can get it allowing more type combo fusions

[alpine rune]

Best way to put it tbh

[brisk vessel]

Lurantis would also be a cool contrary mon

[alpine rune]

I have the gut feeling that the psychic part wont be used anytime soon

[alpine rune]

Steel/Grass sweeper is real

[late torrent]

Majestic

[stuck bane]

I like leavanny a bit more, but I can put my Gen 5 bias aside and say lurantis brings more for less cost, leavanny still has a niche of being an actual bug type though

[late torrent]

I like leavanny too

[stuck bane]

It really depends on the build you want, maybe you really need to round out psychic, and that’s why it’s good, more options

[late torrent]

Sawsbuck would be a cool Pokemon to have

[stuck bane]

Yes it would, seasonal fusions it would bring are underrated beyond belief, also brings more grass types we’re lacking just a teensy bit

[white meadow]

But it forms wouldnt be included one version is just the standard form
And we already can make seasonal alts

[stone marsh]

I was kinda wanting the rotom forms, but I guess we have oricorio now

[late torrent]

It would be one Pokemon with Alts since I don't believe sawsbuck changes type with its forms

[stuck bane]

Yeah I know, but no other Pokémon really encourages seasons as a theme, castform has weather, not seasons, ice types can have winter season themes but not necessarily encouraged from the Mon itself, same with like grass and spring, haven’t done a full deep dive on Sawsbuck but it would bring more seasonal potential

[stuck bane]

Think they said rotom forms/other forms may be considered after oricorio

[white meadow]

Exactly what I said

[late torrent]

I was just making sure I understood what you meant

[sterile spoke]

Grass and Normal are also currently slightly underrepresented, so Sawsbuck wouldn't be a bad pick. 😉

[brisk vessel]

We did just recently get another normal type (2 technically)

[sterile spoke]

Still underrepresented. 😛

Anything with a ngative value on the rightmost column is underrepresented after the update. 😢

Fighting, Grass, Dark, Fairy, Electric and Bug are especially underrepresented (in that order), and then Normal, Ground and, bizarrely, Water also have negative scores. 😅

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/gogoat-pokemon-grass-goat-bharal-gif-26484000

[sterile spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/ribombee-pokemon-fairy-cute-gif-22197024

https://tenor.com/view/badass-munching-nibling-eating-devouring-gif-13922778

https://tenor.com/view/n-pokemon-sawsbuck-gif-26756274

[white meadow]

Didnt found one with the bee but other bug

[arctic glacier]

Golisopod for that Water/Bug underrepresentation

[stuck bane]

Aight, bet, let’s see who’s better: Sawsbuck or gogoat

Sawsbuck: not only encourages seasonal fusions, but represents all 4 at once, only non-legendary grass type to get serene grace, and only normal type to get chlorophyll, good attack and speed, and serves as better horn leech body above gogoat and trevenant because of it, and only grass type to get camouflage (except breeding)

Gogoat: riding fusions, adds grass pelt, great hp and special attack ironically means gogoat will be used as a head fusion more, aka: not for horn leech.

Yeah both would be fun, I wouldn’t be mad about gogoat getting in, but Sawsbuck brings a bit more mechanically with dual typing, doing things gogoat just can’t.

[wanton cliff]

Sawsbuck

[white meadow]

Man why do you let so much out from gogoat

Also gogoat has pretty similiar atk and sp atk

[stuck bane]

Yeah but he loses on the speed, just like trevenant, but in that regard trevenant at least trades speed for a bit more attack, gogoat just has worse speed, also it’s on Geeta’s team so that should speak for itself

It’s far from the only horn leech user, might be the only grass type that gets milk drink, and it isn’t even the only grass type that gets bulk up because chesnaught

[alpine rune]

I don't thing being on Geeta's team warrants any merit but that's just my two cents

Why would she put a Pokémon with a setup ability last will forever be a mystery to us

[stuck bane]

“Incapable of holding back”

[prime dust]

Geeta is a horrible champion

[stuck bane]

“This is what it’s like if we use 100% of the brain”

[alpine rune]

Ngl, I thought Lance champion theme was disappointing

[stuck bane]

Wait really? Maybe nostalgia blinds me but I thought lance/red theme was really good

[prime dust]

Lance just stuck to what he knew, which screwed him

[alpine rune]

Geeta's team set up was just... Why

[white meadow]

Wasnt that salt mon on her team too?
Or kinggambit

[alpine rune]

I know it's a kids game and all but don't you think kids can handle simple problem solving if they got that far into the game?

[prime dust]

points in the general direction of this discord where people over 18 can't solve a simple slowpoke/boulder push puzzle

[alpine rune]

Kingambit was her 5th Mon I think

[white meadow]

It didnt say only
And it appreaciates that bulk up is learnd natural

I think Sawsbuck brings less stuff

[alpine rune]

The puzzle pieces are literally there

[alpine rune]

[stuck bane]

Yeah but so many mons bring so many moves, if we want to unlock diverse movepool potential it has to bring things no other mons can

[alpine rune]

I'm not saying Gogoat is bad, I'm just saying Geeta isn't a great example to showcase Gogoat

[stuck bane]

Yeah gogoat isn’t bad, but if people are using geeta as reasons against mons like avalugg, it’s gonna be used against gogoat too, they’re not bad, but their reputations have been forever tarnished just by being on her team

[alpine rune]

Tho objectively speaking, I don't have Gogoat as my priority

[weak trellis]

I was gonna say I take it as "geeta is not the final boss, nemona is" since her tram does feel more final bossy

as for goat I lean on it more since stantler has the same issue wigglytuff has in that its head slot gives normal which makes it feel iffy

[stuck bane]

But not even then! I so bad wanted to fight nemona’s original champion team, but alas, gamefreak had other plans

[weak trellis]

while goat at least gives grass both ways

you will never know what that team was

[stuck bane]

Sawsbuck does have potential for normal, but will more often be used as a body and hence grass type stab horn leech, but if you want normal type chlorophyll Mon without the grass type weakness Sawsbuck is still a good choice, in gogoat’s regard it’s good he’s grass both ways for HP and sp attack heads, which I think he’ll be used for more often, 3 points isn’t that much of a difference unless you’re talking about speed

[wanton cliff]

I think sawbuck because deerling is adorable

[weak trellis]

isn't chloro bugged in IF to do nothing or did that get fixed in v6

[stuck bane]

Actually, 2 things: 1. Didn’t ash have a Deerling in the anime? And 2. Turns out gogoat is the grass type with the highest hp stat, so that can be another point in favor for it

[alpine rune]

2 reasons why I don't pick gogoat as a priority:

1. The abilities are kinda redundant/rarely used. It's a grass type so no sane AI would attack it with a grass move, so forget sap sipper being used effectively unless you pair it with a water or ground type, and grass pelt is usually best used with a terrain setter which, oh look, no Mons currently has grassy surge and the grassy terrain move are barely distributed.
2. It's level up moves are horrendously inflexible. It's mostly grass moves with little to no coverage. Horn leech is fine, but Drain punch and Leech life are better offensive self healing moves due to Grass's poor offensive prowess.

I guess it's best pairing is with ferrothorn of all things, forget the abilities and stats, just go for a Steel Grass staller with Horn Leech and Milk drink lol

[weak trellis]

I was gonna say grass has its good uses but not on a "one mon takes on the world" build or a competitive build like you seem to be wanting (not sure which)

[stuck bane]

Yeah, unfortunately Sawsbuck doesn’t take the cake for normal type sap sipper either since Bouffalant exists, but at least you could make normal ground or normal water which are decent typings

[weak trellis]

also we already got a normal sap sipper deer in stantler (which im sure is gonna make someone upset but idc)

[stuck bane]

Oh that’s right, granted it’s only hidden but still exists

[weak trellis]

I like both but I'm on the side of goat if I'm forced to choose

[alpine rune]

I kinda wished that its level up moves has more variety

Having to find specific TMs is going to be a pain for coverage

[brisk vessel]

Why does it get Aerial ace

[alpine rune]

Fuck em bug types

[brisk vessel]

Real and

[primal dove]

(Personally, I think I’d prefer Mudsdale over Sawsbuck and Gogoat)

[stuck bane]

Mudsdale would be funny stamina builds, but we’re talking from horn leech perspectives

[white meadow]

Gogoats lvl moves have more variety than many other mons

[white meadow]

I mean atleast there were important trainers useing Gogoat aka a gym leader and geeta

[white meadow]

Cuz its coverage is not the worst
I mean ground and flying hits some of its weaknesses

[brisk vessel]

That doesn't answer my question

[white meadow]

Maybe cuz its inspired by a motor bike and aero dynamic or so XD

[brisk vessel]

Mfw

[silent acorn]

Really throwing my Bois down the bus huh

[weak trellis]

but how can you throw one of them under the bus when it is the bus???

[silent acorn]

One of them is a bike. Also I will die on the hill but Sawsbuck is a good option for the same reasons minior is a good option, having a high amount of variables with the 4 seasons changes. Also those are only as limited as people want them to be. Now how do you fuse mudsdale?

huh cool

[brisk vessel]

Mudsdale is like a bulkier Rapidash with less fire and more hardened mud armor

[silent acorn]

I am gonna keep saying it, but it's not just the antlers in sawsbuck that change due to season, it's pretty much all it's features. so technically you could make lots of different body parts reflect the season change.

[brisk vessel]

Also mudsdale has stamina which is an insanely broken ability

[silent acorn]

Any mon is useful when you fuse it right. Regardless of ability

[brisk vessel]

Ik im just saying Stamina would go crazy

[silent acorn]

It is better than water compact yeah, because it affects not only water attacks

[inland jewel]

can we get Sawsbuck so i can fuse it with starmie?

[late torrent]

Mudsdale is one of my favorite ground types so I'd definitely enjoy it being added

[sterile verge]

Minior is inevitable, especially since the meteor and core forms can be added now

(If they ever do a new poll at some point)

[stuck bane]

I’m not so sure about that, sure I want minior a ton too, but it really doesn’t offer much beyond shields down and cool space/star/meteor fusions, and we don’t even know what stats it might bring depending on how similar the code is to how SM works

[sterile verge]

Don't quite understand what you mean by the "don't even know what stats it might bring" thing, can you elaborate?

[inland jewel]

the code for shields down might not work like sun and moon, is my interpretation of that sentence

[stuck bane]

Ok, it’s a bit weird, apparently in SM if you hack a minior without shields down it starts in core form, so we don’t know if it’ll have great defenses or great offenses or both if it’s another meloetta situation

[sterile verge]

ahh thats what you mean

[inland jewel]

it could be one of those weird ones where if you dont have stance change, then its just Aegislash shield form for hte fusion

but in this case, the absence of shields down is just core form

so super speedy rock type

[silent acorn]

I support the motion. I mean i am supporting minior now.

The cool thing about minior is that the rock part of the typying can be fused with birds or normal mons, Minior need shields down to sweep anyway

My alliance is with the mons that offer most possibilities.

[inland jewel]

oh yeah, the amount of fusion potential minior and sawsbuck has is insane

throw in Furfrou and we have an all you can fuse buffet

[last pecan]

yea, i love minior

[white meadow]

Gogoat

[empty pendant]

minior/gogoat

sparkly space goat with rock horns

[weak trellis]

furfrou also has the azumarill thing where its ability is just "stat x2, no catches" that could make it cool

[silent acorn]

If anything those abilities are cool because it allows you to make mixed attackers that still have ridiculous attack, the thing mons with it only have half of the upper attack stats, upper is like 85 to 120ish

[silent acorn]

Gonna keep saying Sawsbuck asking price of 2 slots is considerably lower than most of the options on the poll due to the fact you get a good amount of options and builds out of it both gameplay and sprite wise. Minior is better than sawsbuck as an option due to the fact that besides having crap ton of options its asking price is extremely low

I want everyone to consider the following Minior>Archeops

[stuck bane]

Ooooo… see, I think archeops is amazing, but ignoring my Gen 5 bias you’re probably right, archeops only brings the stats and design, minior brings multiple design elements and a potentially wider range of stats depending on which forms are available, on top of potentially switching stats in battle like meloetta, I love em both but minior might slightly have the edge

[prime dust]

the problem is almost no one will likely make customs for the covered minior and only do the revealed minior

[stuck bane]

It could be like an aegislash situation too, where both forms use the same custom sprite since it’s really only an ability and offense/defense switching with an increased speed, and only once per battle if I remember correctly (99% sure minior doesn’t regrow shell when healed). Meloetta at least is a bit different since it’s a type change which you kind of have to signify it’s a fighting type instead of a psychic type now

[arctic glacier]

Not worth the hassle

[stuck bane]

Not to mention, they might be pooled together anyways since “guess the Pokémon” with a completely black sprite still needs to have distinguishable minior elements

[woven oxide]

Is there a new fusion calculator or some place I can go to see all the tyrantrum fusions?

[gray vine]

https://if.daena.me/

i still dont really like this site but its good to atleast see a bunch of fusions

ah wait this isnt the right site for showing all of em

mmhhttps://infinitefusiondex.com/

[gray vine]

this one is good for seeing all fusions of a mon

[woven oxide]

thanks!

[proud lion]

Indigo Disk spoilers:
||Does anyone know how to get Dipplin to reach his final form?||

[gray vine]

#pokemon-winds-waves lul

anyway i dunno what you mean, that is its final form

[cinder oasis]

Drayton gives u a tm

[arctic glacier]

Adding Bruxish gives Sharpedo access to psychic fangs

[eager jungle]

same

[lofty spindle]

And removes it for many others, as then it could no longer be tutored to all psychic-types with Crunch.

[marble meadow]

i don’t know wich but either dhelmise or qwilfish sandslash should be a sonic stuck on a landmine ref fusion

For ref it this

[pale flame]

What is this from

[wanton cliff]

Looks like ai

[austere ibex]

fnf vs sonic exe i think

[marble meadow]

Canon name is sink also there’s a fan made vhs version of it

[silent acorn]

Damn boi those graphics do be from 2024

[tame flax]

Not anymore

[gray vine]

Yep I saw that now

Which makes applin very unique

It's the first mon with multiple evos where ||one of the evos can evolve again||

[sterile spoke]

Interestingly, there is a similar case with ||Mega Evolutions, where Slowbro and Glalie (weirdly, both of which being the older, 'original' evolutions) have a similar edge over Slowking and Froslass.|| 😅

[prime dust]

that's not a pokemon...

[sterile spoke]

Yes it is, it's part of IF. Rockruff head, Luffy body. 🙂

Also, this isn't #gameplay-help. 😦

[gray vine]

LUFFY??

[stuck bane]

“For today’s Pokémon reveal, you might be surprised at the one piece needed to complete frog’s true vision of infinite fusion”

[glossy osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/white-beard-gif-26687798

[vestal nymph]

Real

[stone cliff]

My favorite Sonic character

And let's not forget Super Sink

[alpine rune]

I haven't let that sink in

[sterile verge]

I loved when Super Sink beat Dirt E. Dish with his Chaos Rinse. Truly one of the moments that made gaming history.

[frank oxide]

i iked Super Sink Wash 2

[stone cliff]

I thought the anime adaptation Sink X was decent, but 4Kids censoring the power washer scene was kinda lame

[woven maple]

Have there been any comments from frogman about when/if any new pokemon after Meloetta are being added? I made a bold prediction that we'd get something soon, but I was dead wrong.

[stuck bane]

All we know is that the announcement said Melo would be the “next Pokémon”, not the last

So it’s not if, only a matter of when

[sterile spoke]

No, and I doubt he'll ever give us info until he randomly makes a new announcement. 😅

The Frog works in mysterious ways. 🙂

[prime dust]

could be next month, could be next year [yes i am aware those are technically the same thing]

[clever atlas]

Frogman: The inner machinations of my mind are an enigma.

Also, fwiw, a few days ago i had a dream of a announcement saying NEW REVEAL NEXT WEEKEND

[white meadow]

Nah his bird definetly decides when we get a new mon

[clever atlas]

Is he gonna give us the bird?!

[brisk vessel]

(Its bruxish)

[spice sage]

I don't have a bird, I have a pet frog

[white meadow]

Thats hilarious XD

[violet pawn]

WHY IS YOUR FROG EATING A BIRD?

[spice sage]

he hungry 🐸

[violet pawn]

very cute frog though

[spice sage]

#pokemon-winds-waves

[clever atlas]

Chimkin

[sterile verge]

https://tenor.com/view/gentlefrog-lixy-gif-25348850

[hollow quest]

https://tenor.com/view/frog-jumping-gif-23922460

[hushed mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/the-frog-the-fog-fog-fog-consume-fog-is-going-to-consume-us-gif-7275883596114669957

[sharp nebula]

is that Chica i see?

[gray vine]

no? thats a Frog

[hushed mantle]

It’s both

[silent acorn]

Very cute

[wispy quarry]

question : all the pokemon that were in the poll will eventually be added ?

[stuck bane]

I mean, that’s the dream, but no guarantees on that (not to mention it’d take a really long time if that were the case)

[silent acorn]

Maybe... But that would be far off into a decade to be done

[wispy quarry]

my primarina...

[silent acorn]

Starters do be coming eventually they were pretty popular overall

[wispy quarry]

that's one of my favorite starter and has so much potential for pretty sprite

i'll wait another 5 years it's ok

[stuck bane]

Well, starters technically swept the entire vote, it’s likely we might see them in the next batch or 2 because they’re fan favorites

So maybe in the next year or 2 tops? All dependent on how frog is feeling of course

[silent acorn]

I mean we got plenty of content till atleast the mid late next year

I want delphox so I don't have to use the generic options

[gray vine]

i only like brionne out of that line

[silent acorn]

Eh

Fusing makes stages not that important.

[gray vine]

if i had picked poplio which i probably would never do, i would let it stay a brionne

[silent acorn]

Let me guess you went with Decidueye

[gray vine]

litten

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/surprised-pikachu-pokemon-shock-surprised-pikachu-gif-15357817

[gray vine]

i had no idea about the evos wasnt spoiled i thought it was gonna be a flame sabertooth, but inceneroar isnt bad either

[prime dust]

we all wanted that

[gray vine]

i was pretty sure rowlet was gonna stay on 2 legs so i didnt pick it

i dont mind 2 legged mons but i prefer te more animal ones then just straight humanoid

which is why im so happy that skeledirge actually turned animal instead of staying 2 legged

[silent acorn]

Most of the plant ones have been 2 legs

[gray vine]

indeed

https://tenor.com/view/turtwig-turtwig-aaa-valogang-gif-25767993

me boi

[stuck bane]

Wait have they? Not venusaur, not meganium, sceptile, not torterra, not Serperior, chesnaught, decidueye, everything from Galar is just a man in a fur suit, and meowscarada, wow that’s 4 to 5 you’re right, guess starting around HGSS really skewed my perception of how many 4-legged grass types there were vs there weren’t

[silent acorn]

Serperior isnt technically quadrupedal either

[unique otter]

There’s one with no legs so… maybe pokemon can get a new trend once the fire starters pick up the pace

Would a fire clam be a cool pokemon design?

[silent acorn]

Fire serpent would be pretty cool, or maybe a leviathan starter

[unique otter]

Make it a Reaper from Subnautica /j

[silent acorn]

I mean it wouldn't be bad

[unique otter]

Give it a signature move that’s a loud ass scream but on fire

[stuck bane]

or, I meant to say non-2 legged

[hollow quest]

serperior and primarina: fuck legs

[mystic rivet]

any pokemon traded up through past games can be nicknamed in S/V (though only once) so long as it matches language. but event pokemon like my shiny galarian birds, and any mythicals, including my deoxys that was from oras and not and event, and my mew that HAS MY SCARLET OT can't be nicknamed at all. GG Gamefreak

[shell mirage]

Why didn't you nickname the Deoxys in ORAS?

[shell mirage]

The Rowlet line are owls. All birds stand on two legs, that's not s humanoid thing, that's a bird thing.

[mystic rivet]

didn't really plan on naming it, just something i noticed while going through my boxes and poor choices in game design irk me.

[shell mirage]

That makes sense.

[empty pendant]

you CAN rename mythicals in SwSh as long as they're not fateful encounter or in a cherish ball

[tame saffron]

i wish me a vespiquen with the 3 spezial vespiquen moves i like to see it with bibor fusions

[weak trellis]

or have the classic ribbon I think

[worthy cloud]

i will impregnate her

[gray vine]

same ew what

[brisk solstice]

[distant edge]

https://tenor.com/view/megatron-you-what-wtf-surprised-gif-23577724

So, what is the worst Pokemon that could be added to the game?

[hushed mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/little-big-planet-what-da-hell-little-big-planet-what-ayo-what-gif-13768843195184919620

[brisk solstice]

I'd think burmy/wormadam or scatterbug/spewpa would be pretty hard to sprite

[worthy cloud]

a unbreedable one

[distant edge]

https://tenor.com/view/ratchet-tfp-disapproval-oh-my-upset-gif-12342308

[hushed mantle]

Yeah i think it’s time to take your meds

[worthy cloud]

what the fuck?

[silent acorn]

Don't act like saying the "unbreedable one" it's a sentence someone in their meds would say

[silent acorn]

I would say it's basculin, base one doesn't have anything good. Even luvdisc has more sprite potential

[sharp nebula]

i will point you towards rule 2

[hushed mantle]

Mokneys

[brisk solstice]

monke believer vs monke denier

[distant edge]

I'd prefer it if they were left out of the game, but I wouldn't be too upset if they were included

[silent acorn]

Simipour is decent is the other 2 that are pretty meh

[silent acorn]

6 mons instead of only the 2, so that means you get 4 picks less. Out of 20

[distant edge]

Yeah, that would be a bit of a waste of 4 extra slots

So, what Ultra Beasts would you guys like to see in the game?

[silent acorn]

Guzzlord, Kartana, Pheromosa. Maybe Buzzwole for the muscle

I support Stakataka because of Pix ideas

[distant edge]

Which one is the robotic poison one?

[silent acorn]

The uh.... Poipole, it's the poison dragon one

[distant edge]

Right, that one would be pretty cool

[distant edge]

Though I am not sure how good it is stat wise

[quasi ferry]

Please no. xD

[proud lion]

The best fusion

[silent acorn]

I often don't remember it's a UB since it evolves

Lemme Check what nagandel had

it's built it doesn't have legendary stats

I want Guzzlord cuz it's a big dark Kirby dragon blackhole

[gray vine]

guzzlord my beloved

[alpine rune]

Don't give it too much love or it'll die from 4x super effective damage.

[silent acorn]

Oh but that's the best part... FUSING

[cinder oasis]

Robotic?

[hushed mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokémon-blacephalon-jester-michael-jackson-gif-320684585084909410

[weak trellis]

kartana could be neat for appearences but holy MAN its stats are overkill

would be leafeon on crack

[hushed mantle]

Kartana/azumarill with huge power

[distant edge]

This one and it's evolution. I think it's called Poipole. It does look sort of robotic/inorganic to me.

[weak trellis]

yea I think kartana would have the new highest attack stat with 181 (+16 from rampardos)

[gray vine]

besides guzzlord i also like stakataka

[stuck bane]

I thought frog had said slots weren’t really much of an issue anymore, I think the only reason slots were an issue in this vote was because we were told that was how many slots we would get

In the future I don’t know how much of a role it will play, assuming there ever is another vote

[sharp nebula]

kartana has the highest base attack of any non mega pokemon

[silent acorn]

Nah it was because of how much implementation they could do on a given time frame

[rustic steeple]

Clodsire

Would be sick

[orchid vault]

we can't have anything over gen 7 because of code reason, so no clodsire

I like buzzwole a lot from the ultra beasts. I'm afraid it would be a bit hard to sprite but the designs would be really cool

[stuck bane]

Well, we could if someone finds a work around in the code (similarly to how this batch of new mons was added), but beyond that yes, no chance of Gen 8+

[orchid vault]

nihilego and blacephalon would also make sick designs

[gray vine]

https://tenor.com/view/stakataka-gif-2755355121120415411

[lucid shard]

you know some one should make a fan made anime of Pokémon infinite fusions if possible?

[orchid vault]

Pretty much all the ultra beasts have something interesting going on

[gray vine]

ah yes just like make an anime lul simple

[lucid shard]

it's just a cool idea i had but idk how to animate lol

[sand fractal]

me omw to check the fridge for the 7th time today

[gray vine]

so true

[sand fractal]

(it's fucking empty)

[lucid shard]

relatable

[steady vale]

regional forms would be cool

alolan muk or something

[gray vine]

regional forms are part of the sprite packs lul

you can just get them

[stuck bane]

I think he means like typings and moves, but if midday and dusk lycanroc are hard to tell apart in fusions, regional forms may face a similar issue

[orchid vault]

I think regional forms are a no (exept as custom sprites) because the body just looks too much like the normal form and it would be impossible to differenciate in fusion form

[inland coral]

Other starter pokemon

[velvet sinew]

I'd love to have Ribombee in the game. It's not a great pokemon but I could imagine it'd make some absolutely adorable fusions.

[marble meadow]

well the next thing I do once it is in if I gonna fuse a few with meloetta

[green thicket]

Like the next generation

[trail hull]

Me after ordering junk food for the 7th time today

[toxic flame]

https://tenor.com/view/jojo-jojos-bizarre-adventure-why-is-heart-attack-taking-so-long-sheer-heart-attack-yoshikage-kira-gif-26710458

[trail hull]

Lol

[alpine rune]

I wonder if there's a jojo reference fusion for sheer heart attack

[stuck bane]

I wonder why there’s a handful of people wishing for aromatisse and Slurpuff, which are fine I guess, when there’s way better fairy types like Florges, ribombee, and diancie

[white meadow]

slurpuff as that food aestethic

while for aromatisse it's because every pokemon always has it's own fans, even if the number of them is barely 2 digits

[stuck bane]

Yes, food aesthetic, but to be honest, do we need Slurpuff for that? Other Pokémon can fill the food niche like Vanilluxe, and not to mention even now we have that one guy who is making brownie alts of a ton of Pokémon. Yeah Slurpuff could bring other dessert aspects besides ice cream, but is that really better than AZ floette fusions? Or ribombee actually fairy fusions?

[orchid vault]

well, aromatisse looks really unique and I think it would make some really fun design (I don't super like slurpuff as a mon and I think the body is too blobby though)...
As normal mons outside of fusion, I definitely prefer florges and ribombee, but they kind of look like a grass and a bug type respectively so as far as fusions go probably not as "unique" a look (nothing wrong with them though, I think they'd be a perfectly fine addition)

[tame flax]

Because slurpuff is great

He wouldn't have made it into one of the 12 raffle mons if he wasn't

[stuck bane]

I wouldn't say raffle mons are a guarantee that the mon is a great or even good mon, there were things like chimecho there, and I'm pretty sure that even the trevenant raffle winner just said he would pick something that he knew nobody asked for, so there's no guarantees that any other contest champions had the same thought process

[tame flax]

I've a good hunch on the slurpuff pick

[stuck bane]

I mean, if the contest champion who picked slurpuff doesn't want to reveal himself, that stands to argue on how universally hated slurpuff is more than isn't

[tame flax]

Iirc, they were originally going to use their pick on a different mon that they were dying to have in

Which then got in through the blitz

[stuck bane]

oh wait I think I heard about this I think you're right, it was the guy who originally picked tropius right? oh nm

I think blaq said something about tropius or something being in an earlier draft of the raffle, but then someone switched their vote

[tame flax]

Not tropius

[nocturne sierra]

yall

i got an idea for a sprite, what if yall made arcanine and necrozma and make it solgaleo with necrozma

[prime dust]

the only issue there of course is if Solgaleo eventually gets added in

[cedar hinge]

Who hate him ?

[weak trellis]

the species as a whole or koga's specifically

[fallen loom]

poor egg

[gray vine]

not me

i beat him no issue and was confused on why others took so long

[weak trellis]

it's very much a matchup mon

either you have something that can handle it (one that invalidates both ||take down and toxic like a ghost/poison or steel type, or something bulky using Chip Away or a no-miss move||) or you get minimized and obliterated with the only in-between being a PP stall

[gray vine]

first

[frank oxide]

im just checking to see if new food spawned in

[civic dawn]

Or you were set up beyond belief already

[sand fractal]

tmr evening :)

good food will arrive

[sullen cradle]

Would Chein-pao ever get added? I think it's a pretty cool mon

[weak trellis]

sadly not, gens 8/9 aren't possible to add atm

[ornate prawn]

I mean you get the free honedge before this so completely invalidate it

[uneven coral]

Snivy go brrr

[weak trellis]

yea honedge in particular is a hard counter to anything it does rofl

[rotund geode]

I see that a meloetta fusion is the banner pokemon for the sub rn. Are they obtainable in game or planned for a future patch or smth?

[brisk vessel]

Confirmed for a future update i believe

I hope its the next update so we can finally see all the cool meloetta fusions ingame

[rotund geode]

That's pog. Is there a sort of updated road map for IF? Even if it's vague, now that I beat it twice im interested to know where it's going. What the plan is

[brisk vessel]

Unsure

Frogman usually keeps quiet about these until they're ready

[rotund geode]

I assume frogman is the head dev?

[stuck bane]

yes, although it'll earliest we'll see any meloetta fusions is january (february for most of the contest ones) so I'm personally hoping it either arrives in february or comes with a future batch of mons (let's say spring/summer of 2024 or something)

I really don't want it to just be another lycanroc situation where nobody thinks they have any good fusions just because the custom sprites weren't ready the exact moment lycanroc was added

[finite thistle]

Going to be real nice to get another mid-battle form changer, especially since you'll probably be able to start on either form

[ionic glacier]

Anybody know where to spend my battle points from the battle tower? (BP)

nobody is answering :c otherwise i wouldnt ask here

[weak trellis]

go to the left (or right) of the building and there's a side room

[brisk solstice]

It's a 1 man team he's the only coder, everyone else is on sprites

[hushed pecan]

Anybody got a shiny Applin they don't want

I have 3 shinies id trade for it

[brisk solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/calculating-puzzled-math-confused-confused-look-gif-14677181

[hushed pecan]

If you give me a Green Applin you have a choice between a Shiny HArcanine or HZorua or Litwick

[brisk solstice]

There's no applin in this game

[hushed pecan]

Oh I misunderstood the title

[brisk solstice]

#other-pokemon-games would be what you're looking for

[coarse karma]

Finally got around to the Trubbish sprite from a few months ago. #1148719575232417852

[inland geyser]

how is this decided anyway 😮

[plucky bobcat]

Sph...sph...

I...need...spheal...

[sterile spoke]

What does the banner look like at present? 😮

[brisk vessel]

I think they meant the server icon

The Melotic

[rotund geode]

Yea, exactly what I meant.

It's a nice milotic sprite

[sterile spoke]

Oh, I thought you meant sometihng to do with Reddit because you said sub. 😛

[brisk solstice]

Once in a while they'll post a poll to determine favourites and they'll shuffle through it and determine what gets added, but there's no normal poll running right now so it's just speculation for now

[proud lion]

Imagine we get a new line for Christmas

[pale flame]

Delibird:

[clever atlas]

Is it likely? No, not really
Is it possible? Yes
Can we hope? We sure can

[gray vine]

https://tenor.com/view/avalugg-pokemon-ice-gif-25800457

[silent acorn]

We get iron bundles

[stuck bane]

Honestly, this close to the deadline, it really might be that those 3 bruxish sprites were all really just chance. So I’m thinking bruxish probably won’t be announced (still was really weird though), though it wouldn’t be out of the question for another vote or batch or some similar event to be announced.

If there were a winter themed Mon announced, potential candidates could be Sawsbuck, abomasnow, avalugg, walrein, Vanilluxe, Beartic, or Cryogonal.

But then again these things are impossible to predict, maybe nihilego gets announced as part of a UB package, maybe minccino gets announced as part of a unova package with meloetta, or maybe bruxish really is added just for the memes

[cyan hare]

bruh the fuck am I doing wrong in the sprite requests channel

[prisma willow]

Does anyone know when the calculator is going to be updated?

[cyan hare]

I copypasted the template and it keeps saying that its wrong

[gray vine]

because your not supposed to just copy it?

it even tells you what to remove

[silent acorn]

Do only as this no symbols

request pokemon/pokemon
From: none or someone with @user additional info or nothing

On additional info you can just not add anything.

[proud lion]

Not viable

[silent acorn]

Maybe not but is buyable

[verbal owl]

I think Salazzle would be pretty cool. I wanna put Corrosion on stuff

[stuck bane]

Salazzle has a bit going for it: only poison type to get oblivious, and only fully evolved fire type to get oblivious, only Mon that gets corrosion, good special attack and speed, it has a few things going for it

Actually that does bring up a question: eviolite works even if a Pokémon doesn’t meet the requirements of evolving, right? (A level 1 Teddiursa could still use an eviolite even though it doesn’t meet the level requirement of evolving?). Could this also apply to male salandit? Since it could evolve but just doesn’t meet the gender requirement? It could have an impact on nuzlockes since you also get the eviolite from lavender pretty early too

[sharp nebula]

i dont think so

mkay i was wrong

i doubt itd be that useful tho because salandits stats suck

[gray vine]

male salandit CANT evolve

so it wouldnt work, a teddiursa can tho

[sharp nebula]

nah i just checked, it works on male salandit and combee

[gray vine]

damn, well i guess that gives them some use but kinda weird i guess

[weak trellis]

yep, male salandit can get some use thanks to eviolite, and its movepool isn't helpless like combee is

[stuck bane]

Listen in gift only nuzlockes you have to take what you can get, rockruff and whirlipede have been godsends in that regard, if I get probability where it’s a male Salandit anyways, eviolite corrosion strats at the start of battle may be my best bet since focus sash isn’t easily obtainable

[gray vine]

nah lul thats fine to use it, i was just not thinking it would be considered to work

since it litterly cant evolve

[stuck bane]

But yeah I’d say Salandit/salazzle are good picks (as long as the wrong people don’t get their hands on them)

[stuck bane]

Actually you’d never want to use Salandit or any other Mon anyways because I just made a breakthrough about togetic existing from this convo (my self imposed rules also state no fusing or defusing):

Get the togepi egg
Hatch and evolve to togetic
Togetic overall has better defenses than whirlipede, so give it the eviolite (you want whirlipede to become scolipede anyways to guarantee getting another free randomized Mon from the pineco quest)
My self imposed rules say you can only hatch 1 Mon from each nest, but I do know the venipede egg replenishes, so get a second one and give it to omelette lady since you can’t use multiple venipedes
Omelette lady teaches soft boiled, which togetic can learn, so it’s good defenses boosted by eviolite on top of softboiled access

I know it’s not much, but having a guaranteed softboil eviolite wall every run is a big breakthrough in my nuzlocke runs

[frank oxide]

what pokemon has blue fire

[gray vine]

charizard z

litwick line

alolan marowak

reshiram

and some fire shinies but i aint counting those

[white meadow]

There is no zard Z

[gray vine]

https://tenor.com/view/mega-charizard-x-thunderpunch-gif-23766532

[stuck bane]

Yeah his point exactly that’s charizard x

Unless charizard’s unique z-move gives it blue flames?

[white meadow]

mega mewtwo z best

[prime dust]

see that would make sense...if IF had megas

[stuck bane]

I dont think he was talking IF, I think ZeroCipher was just saying there's no official charizard z in existence

[silent acorn]

I mean that's vanilla franchise, maybe... Frog makes it so that the gender unevolving get the benefit? Like you said maybe even if the pokemon doesn't meet the requirement for evolution, like say Frog flags the "Can evolve?" to True even though it normally can't, could work?

[sharp nebula]

uh yeah except it normally does work so theres no need

[silent acorn]

If there was baby girl /j

Nah but it's fixable I think and maybe salandit could work for whack fusion designs

Like say you take salandit fuse it, give It a mostly unisex design then the evolution becomes femine, you could still use the unisex design with another full stage with eviolite

[white meadow]

MonRiZZ

[silent acorn]

Ayyyyyy I didn't think of that lol

[white meadow]

😂

[silent acorn]

Oh yeah

Now I feel the power

You know what the bad thing about trying to use male salandit for fusions is that you would have to only make unisex fusions and if you tried to make a more masculine one it wouldn't work with the evolution follow up being Salazzle on female salandit

[silent acorn]

Hey Melosupre sorry for the prank rizz, but I wanted to ask do you think Meloetta works for like the male vocaloid singer stuff? I do not if that's logical with meloetta

[sharp nebula]

there was rizz?

[glossy osprey]

gorizzla

[sharp nebula]

im so confused

[stuck bane]

There’s not any Pokémon where there are males and females and only the males evolve right? I don’t think that’s something that would be allowed nowadays, but not that it makes much of a difference in IF (depending on how early you can obtain genderstones)

[silent acorn]

Me just being a goof

[gray vine]

lul fuck google

[stuck bane]

dam

[gray vine]

i wasnt sure which letter it was so i googled it and when i saw blue flames when i searched z i was like ok so it was z

[prime dust]

the fabled charizard z, from the game we all expected to follow x and y but didn't

wasted opportunity imo

[fleet quail]

So, this is just a weird thought but would a Paradox Charizard look like "Charizard Z" or would it just look more like one of the existing Mega Evolutions

[gray vine]

neither

it would either look like a robot or some kinda dino thing

[thick sierra]

Edge case but I can think of Gallade and Mothim as examples

[stuck bane]

yeah, by technicality I suppose, but both have their own "female" version evolutions to keep it even, but things like salazzle and vespiquen seem like they will never have male counterparts

[lethal prawn]

are the new Pokemon in Modern Mode?

[gray vine]

some

[alpine rune]

#announcements has modern mode patch

[brisk vessel]

Wrong channel

[sterile spoke]

When will people learn?

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/invincible-that's-the-neat-part-you-don't-gif-14180388429135427516
Swap you with they

[silent acorn]

When will we get Hatterene because that's when

I want someone to show me Tropius potential cuz I check Spritework and all I see is base tropius

There is a couple, the Magcargo is good

[silent acorn]

Oh look good day Star

[alpine rune]

what happened lol

[stuck bane]

Well you must be blind because all of them look so cool, the meganium one, the Phanpy line, the buneary one is super cute, and the dug trio one is also funny: for a Mon not yet in IF it’s got cool looking design, especially the wings

[empty pendant]

what about tropius/whimsicott but the fluff is banana pudding

[violet pawn]

that's awesome

[stuck bane]

yooooo! that's a really cool idea too! I stand by the idea tropius could make great looking fusions between it's unique wings and bananas, but unfortunately as we talked about before it just doesn't have the mechanical benefits

[prime dust]

make the tropius leaves out of something like jello, otherwise

it'd look a bit weird having banana leaves coming out of pudding

[sleek hornet]

I believe that Florges is one of the perfect fits for Pokémon Fusion because of its stunning grace and elegant moves. It's like watching a dance floor queen in action. Plus it has so many stunning fusion potentials. On the other hand, Aromatisse might be better off staying on the sidelines. It's not exactly winning any beauty contests. And let's be honest, its stats are not exactly MVP material. No one is losing sleep over Aromatisse. Florges is the true superstar we need!

[sleek hornet]

Noice

[white meadow]

Found a Shiny Flabebe after I started my Switch witch Scarlet for the first time in months

[sleek hornet]

Lucky you! 😁

[lethal prawn]

she's still very recent but Tinkaton tbh. Make more gremlins

[white meadow]

Cant be added

[lethal prawn]

Fair

So are Pokémon actively being put into consideration for being added, is that what I’m getting from this?

[stuck bane]

Exactly! I was mentioning this earlier but Florges line has so much you can do, from tiny fusions like joltik, to fusions that carry items (floette carrying a Vanillite cone?), to references to AZ’s floette, and not to mention Florges is rediculously good with a special defense even higher than diancie’s. Slurpuff and aromatisse do bring some things, but not as much as the Florges line does

In fact, the special defense that Florges brings is so high, that it’s next in line for highest stats possible to bring into the game:

HP: guzzlord, Zygarde, Alomomola, hariyama
Attack: kartana, hoopa, landorus, melmetal
Defense: stakataka, avalugg, Carbink, diancie
Sp. attack: Xurkitree, hoopa, Blacephalon, vikavolt
Sp. defense: Florges, Carbink, diancie, Cryogonal
Speed: pheromosa, accelgor, Zeraora, tapu koko
Total: cosmog, aura trio, hoopa, wishiwashi

[white meadow]

Some Mons cant be included

[lethal prawn]

Well I figured that much, I was just curious what the restrictions were/are

[stuck bane]

The restrictions are currently nothing beyond Gen 7 (with some edge cases like Lycanroc dusk being too similar to Lycanroc midday, and probably things like ash greninja being too similar to regular greninja), the gen 7 only restriction could be lifted if someone finds a way to make the code work with future generations, but since we just got a breakthrough with this update and all coding is done by a single guy as a hobby, it’s not likely we’ll see that soon, if ever.

[lethal prawn]

Mm gotcha gotcha. Fair enough!

[stuck bane]

(The dev isn’t the biggest fan of Gen 8+ anyways, so he’s almost definitely not gonna spend his free time coding that, it would basically fall upon volunteers from the community to figure it out)

[obsidian wedge]

Guys, how about including regional Variants?

[hushed mantle]

Hoopa mentioned thrice, you know what that means?

[lethal prawn]

regional variants are already in a lot of fusions, so prolly not-

[stuck bane]

Probably big fat no, if Lycanroc midday and dusk are too hard to tell apart in fusions, regional variants would be impossible to tell since beyond a few minor modifications, they are the same thing. The different typings and moves would be cool though

[stuck bane]

It does bring a lot stats-wise, especially since I think it’s form change is an out of battle one

It might even prove to be better than u-necrozma, as it provides similar attack and special attack and doesn’t need to hold a specific item or use a specific move, I think it just works

[sleek hornet]

Yeppers

[sleek hornet]

Plus, it’s OG form is so badarse! You can make plenty of cool fusions with it as well!

Ngl I’m down to see hoopa as well.

[obsidian wedge]

How about including Bewear!

[clever atlas]

Boy do I got good news for you

#announcements message

[stuck bane]

Indeed, confined hoopa still brings plenty of cool ring and portal based designs, as well as some genie aspects

[craggy furnace]

how to find the correct dex number of fused pokemons with the new added?

[stuck bane]

its... their dex numbers together. separated by the period, bulbasaur/necrozma is 1.450, necrozma bulbasaur is 450.1, etc. so you have to search around for charts and stuff to find the exact dex number of the mon you're looking for in this game, or the announcement that mon had

[craggy furnace]

It isn't unfortunately... For example Togepi/Tyrunt is 197800... If i ask the bot about the dex number for Swablu/Turtwig it gets me 133162 that is not correct...

the only online dex with the new pokemons is daena, but it doesn't have the actual pokedex number

[prime dust]

it does though

wrong message ping, but daena does tell you the dex number

[stuck bane]

I think he means like the one in game

Which yeah I’m not seeing anything on Daena being able to tell you what dex number is what, why do you want to know that exact number anyways? You can just use info on a Pokémon to reach its specific dex entry

[prime dust]

even then, the dex number they got is correct

the only reason it would be wrong is if they randomized the game

which screws up dex numbers

[prime dust]

did you randomize the game at all? because if you did, then asking the bot for a dex number is a bit useless

[craggy furnace]

We randomized the game but only in the area

Furthermore with old pokemons this doesn't happen

[stuck bane]

it sounds like you need game help, we just talk about potential new pokemon that could be added

[agile olive]

that should be the correct dex number for the fusion. the line literally right after that tells you what to name the sprite if that's what you're looking for

[stone cliff]

That's a generous description of what we talk about here

[storm pivot]

why isnt dusk form lycan in this game?

[inland jewel]

[storm pivot]

oh

i might just make a dusk for alt for day then.

[inland jewel]

dusk is alerady a fusion when people fuse day and night form

[storm pivot]

oooooh

i see, i feel very stupid

[unborn lark]

what if you fuse trubbish and snorlax and its just a really big rubbish bag

[civic harness]

Or maybe...

Wait

Oh

Sorry
https://discord.com/channels/302153478556352513/1173992841811333242

[sterile spoke]

No, and even if it was possible, this isn't the place to ask.

[alpine rune]

Stop recording me and posting the footage on the internet

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/skibidi-toilet-skibidi-toilet-camerahead-cameraman-gif-16184232430490826724

https://tenor.com/view/exams-be-like-paper-test-answers-chris-p-duck-gif-11545687

Hmmmmmmmm

So what are we feeling are the top 20 next mons

[prime dust]

depends on how frogman wants to roll

the easiest thing to include would be the Gen 6 starters, since they had the highest vote push out of the starter selections on the vote before they got dq'ed

the other 11 are up in the air

[cobalt nebula]

So, will this channel remain in perpetuity

[stuck bane]

We’ll have to see, it’ll at least stay around until meloetta’s release, and maybe a bit after because these pins are helpful for new people joining the server

[inland jewel]

at the very least until Kiwi can add them to the bot

[stuck bane]

if I had to choose, and pick batches of 20 that would make the most people happy, based on the results of the spriter vote, the raffle, and what little we know about the general vote (basically just starters) then I'd probably make something along these lines:

Kalos starters did do better than the alola starters in the general vote, but not by much, not to mention picking alola starters first makes the champion who picked popplio happy too, 2 birds 1 stone.

Next would be archeops because it made both the raffle vote and spriter vote, and I'd put carracosta along with it because of counterparts and filling out all fossils.

Next I'd pick lilligant as (it used to be) an overworld mon in addition to being whimsicott's counterpart.

Next I'd pick torkoal from the raffle just to give a bit more balance to fire and of course you're not allowed to have an update without a ton of hoenn bias, which would probably be my biggest flaw with making these batches, actual future batches will probably have closer to a quarter of the mons from hoenn per batch similar to this update

then I'd round it out with golisopod and lurantis since they were super close in the spriter vote right behind lycanroc

Next batch would probably be the one most people are hyped for, starting strong with the kalos starters, and then making up for lack of hoenn bias in previous update with ludicolo and walrein, also from the spriter vote, and then rounding it off with cosmog being counterpart of necrozma and minior since there's only 1 free space

batch after that would be unova starters, eelektross from the raffle, tropius and crustle from the spriter vote, gothitelle because it's a counterpart to reuniclus, and then finish it off with nihilego and xurkitree to make the champ from raffle happy (in addition to having nihilego with it because it'd be so weird to have only xurkitree without the first UB)

then final batch (for satisfying fans) would be another big hoenn one, claydol from raffle, seviper from vote, solrock rom raffle, slurpuff from raffle and aromatisse as counterpart, chimecho from raffle, minccino/musharna as overworld mons, buzzwole/pheromosa as more UBs, and finally, both forms of shaymin

Oop, knew I forgot something: probably replace Buzzwole/pheromosa with Camerupt since I forgot it was a missing counterpart

[clever atlas]

Would be nice if any future additions factored in the results of these votes, unless there's a new poll
So adding the most wanted mons that didn't make it

[sand mica]

How deep would Skuntank be in this batch list?

[proud lion]

What if this is our Xmas surprise pokemon line if we even get any?

Out of all the mons on here, the Ziggy aint in the game yet

[green thicket]

Maybe it’s a hint for zigzagoon

[stuck bane]

Not enough to be considered since it didn’t make the top of any of the 3 lists

[stuck bane]

I wouldn’t put too much hope into it, I think they just picked it because Zigzagoon happens to be a well-known mon that has the ability pick-up, referencing the role. Again, Christmas Mon isn’t impossible, just probably not Zigzagoon.

[spice sage]

Watchog ain't in the game either

[proud lion]

https://tenor.com/view/lillipup-pokemon-nintendo-shiny-pokemon-jumping-gif-25320489

[stuck bane]

In fact, what does Zigzagoon bring? Good speed, only normal type to naturally get gluttony, that’s about it…

Meanwhile Watchog does happen to be the only normal type to get illuminate…

[proud lion]

Also the Patrat Line does not have Pickup

[stuck bane]

Yeah but every other “route 1 rat” in existence gets pickup, so it’s not special for linoone either

Even Ambipom makes sure it isn’t the only fully evolved normal type with pickup

[sullen elbow]

Linoone is the only normal type with e speed aside from arceus

[stuck bane]

yes... as an egg move, so it probably won't come up much in game, null and void

although I suppose if we're giving things like flygon abilities it doesn't normally get, it wouldn't be out of the question for hoenn bias to tell frog to make e speed a naturally learned level up move either

[alpine rune]

The easiest are all starters. Makes 18 in total and 2 less Mons to worry about

that also makes it so that people can't choose cosmoem

[prime dust]

uh

all the starters would be 27

[frank oxide]

minior replaces that blue turtle or torkoal

[gray vine]

wonder where the 18 comes from?

is it gen 5 and 6 starters

yeah looking at the list above guess they did mean 5 and 6...that doesnt make it all starters tho lul

dosnt even make it all starters on the list

[stuck bane]

unfortunately no because carracosta's counterpart is archeops, and it would just have people complaining about counterparts anyways, and torkoal has to be there or else there's no hoenn reps in the first batch which hoenn bias just will not allow. If it were my personal list minior would absolutely be above archeops because we've talked about it here before, but archeops just has too much support considering it made both the spriter vote and the raffle, TWICE

[frank oxide]

cresselia moment (its a counterpart)

[stuck bane]

(also wouldn't be the best idea to have 2 rock/flying types in the same batch, but I tried putting minior in as soon as I could because it does have more potential)

[stuck bane]

DAMMIT I knew I forgot someone

[stuck bane]

um.... xurkitree technically has no counterparts, so even though it's weird to bring it without the first UB, axe nihilego and replace with cresselia

New List:

as much as I hate to say, I think (if we're going off of this list) we have to take cresselia before shaymin because otherwise nearly half of the final batch is all psychic types (I'd rather spread out the gen 4 reps anyways since theres so few of them)

[white meadow]

Where is Gogoat tho?