pif-hoenn-discussion

[white meadow]

like no one calls sparky a boob head right?

[spare frost]

Been thinking that Bellossom/Cacturne might be a fun way to express that fake Maractus evolution.
Something like this though not exactly this.
https://64.media.tumblr.com/29ed94d86d34051bb6d6f0469ca714ff/794ecff1d0208e2a-04/s2048x3072/cf11c2da0dbe42cab7c4024eb15726dfa017debd.pnj

[hushed mantle]

When new reveal?

[stuck bane]

Might be taking a break for the holidays, it’s what I’m hoping anyways, we got a lot of new mons and frog deserves like a month or so to just rest

[orchid vault]

I'd personally give it more than a month of break, there was a lot of bugs and errors than sneaked into the update/spritepack/daena that will benefit from taking some time back to normal to fix before adding anything new

the new main/alt system especially is still under work as the sprite managers do their best to go through the tens of thousands of custom sprites to tag them correctly on top of the usual monthly packs

[stuck bane]

That works too, longer we wait the more time we’ll have to collect custom sprites for meloetta, I am a-ok with that

[prime dust]

new stuff will be added as Frogman has time/feels like it

[cinder oasis]

If that was maractuses evolution it would be so much cooler

[spare frost]

Right? Honestly, such a missed opportunity.
And this artist did a great job.

[cinder oasis]

Yeah it’s very nice, the only things I can say is the color is off compared to the pre-evo and it doesn’t have the ring around the hands

[spare frost]

I would imagine the colour is intentionally distinct, some lines do that.

And hell, some cacti do that.

And true the cuffs are gone, but the pigtails have two now.

[cinder oasis]

The cuffs would make it look nicer

[spare frost]

I think it's alright as is personally. In that specific regard, leastways.

I love that they made the collar into a cute little neckerchief.

[cinder oasis]

I like the hat the most

[spare frost]

It is the centrepiece!

[round gale]

If a Necrozma double fusion turns ultra does it become a double ultra or does it become half normal half ultra?

I am no where near the end to discover this. Curious if anyone else has?

[lofty spindle]

It apparently becomes double, I heard it was impossible to get half and half with it.

[clever atlas]

I asked this yesterday, I was told both halves ultra burst at the same time

[stuck bane]

I think so, they said only way you might be able to see it is if you can find ultra necrozma in randomized mode, which if you can’t get it out of battle I don’t see why it would be like that

[hollow hare]

they should add a skibid i toilet pokemon called skidew and it's just a budew with a porcelain off-white color scheme

[lofty spindle]

Say what is a fusion of Skiploom and Budew named?

[glossy osprey]

SKIBUDEW

[lofty spindle]

For real?

[stone cliff]

Skipdew

[lofty spindle]

So close...

[onyx berry]

Skidew?

[silent acorn]

I like the bronzong positivity people have about Gen 4, I only wish they would also do that For Drapion, Toxicroak and Gastrodon

I am pretty sure Vespiquen won't be getting in any time soon because it falls on the too similar category cuz of beedrill

[zealous flint]

Skibidi

[stone cliff]

I'm not the biggest fan of Drapion tbh, but I do like Toxicroak and Gastrodon

[zealous flint]

Gastrodon best choice out of the three

I like skorupi though

[stone cliff]

Agreed, Drapion just looks like a goober

[zealous flint]

https://tenor.com/view/skorpi-skorupi-pokemon-gif-25747549

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/you-lie-funny-animals-dogs-stare-liar-gif-16222673

[zealous flint]

If only drapion had the same shiny as skorupi

[silent acorn]

Come on man it's a goddamn scorpion we don't really have one.

scorpion ogre has so much potential

[stone cliff]

Shoulda kept him looking more scorpion-like. I remember evolving Skorupi and just thinking "what"

[zealous flint]

I think i would like it more if it had blue eyes

[silent acorn]

Its still a scorpion, it's not really turning into a different species or anything

we got this

[stone cliff]

He's upright, and weirdly top heavy. I would have preferred something like this

[silent acorn]

That's.... You just want a ice/poison type which you can still make by fusing

[zealous flint]

That doesnt really look like skorupi at all tbh

[stone cliff]

Not the typing, just general proportions

[silent acorn]

Like Drapion is just an excellent bug body and good head too. The potential is high

[zealous flint]

Well its probably not meant to be an evolution actually

[silent acorn]

I mean with fusing the spriter can adjust the proportions as they like

[stone cliff]

Don't get me wrong, I would like to have Drapion in, but only because he's the only scorpion

[silent acorn]

I mean... What else do you need?

[zealous flint]

Isnt gliscor kinda scorpion-ish?

[silent acorn]

He is more weird batish than full scorpion

[stone cliff]

A better looking scorpion

[silent acorn]

Too late for that, we are 5 gens in after 4 and they never made another scorpion again

[zealous flint]

Add scorpiomon

[silent acorn]

Duskull/Drapion

[stone cliff]

Couldn't be, the arms aren't coming out of its head

[silent acorn]

... Thats your real reason isn't it

I mean don't freaking discount Drapion is excellent, we have a few more good ones from Gen 4 but Drapion doesn't deserve hate

[stone cliff]

You cannot make me like Drapion. I love Skorupi, dislike Drapion

[silent acorn]

Why man, come on its not bad

[stone cliff]

I have told you lmao

[sullen elbow]

I'm trying to imagine drapion with its arms lower and it looks terrible

[stone cliff]

Because it should not be upright

[silent acorn]

Its because the arms are meant to immediately throw whatever it has into its mouth

Think of it like this. Drapion is a centaur scorpion

this one

[sullen elbow]

To be fair scorpion pincers do come out of their heads

[silent acorn]

SEE ITS ANATOMICALLY CORRECT

[stone cliff]

Except for the fact that he's upright

[stone cliff]

His arms aren't coming out of his head

[silent acorn]

Drapion is a bug not a humanoid

[zealous flint]

Add armageddemon

[stone cliff]

So he should be prone

Listen man you can like Drapion all you like, no shade. I just don't like it

[silent acorn]

Well then.

[stone cliff]

Is that the one from the movie with the nuke?

[onyx berry]

A Fellow Digimon Fan I See.

[zealous flint]

I dont recall any digimon movies with nukes

[stone cliff]

Digimon: The Movie (2000)

[zealous flint]

Oh ok

[onyx berry]

Ah The Movie Where We First Saw Omegamon

[zealous flint]

Never watched the movie so i wouldnt have known

[stone cliff]

It's one of the few Digimon things I've watched lol. I've seen episodes here and there but not a lot. Although I played the shit out of Digimon World 4 for GameCube lol

[onyx berry]

I've Finished World 3 Dozens Of Times Lmao

[stone cliff]

Time to download dolphin I guess

[glossy osprey]

I love the drapion agenda here

[livid geyser]

???????????????????? what

Also is that TV Tropes?

[weak trellis]

really late but I still think it should have been bug/dark lol

even though we have that type combo now it does make sense with how bigger scorpions tend to be more about brute force than poisons

I don't mind what we got though, just a minor nitpick

[stone cliff]

Nah, wikipedia lol

I love that, out of all the places they could have nuked

They chose fucking Colorado

[bleak canyon]

....Cho'gath?😹

[sour stream]

you try to come up with this?

[stable venture]

What is that thing?

[glossy osprey]

me after not eating for 1 second

[alpine rune]

That's a funny looking kabutops

[silent acorn]

Maybe.

[sterile verge]

Bro looks like a yugioh card 💀

[silent acorn]

Digimon has some really weird coincidences I can tell you that much

You know I think I finally found what my issue with Tropius is

Its too relatable

[hushed sierra]

Just got on discord since October and saw my favorite mon is being added soooooo #announcements message

[stuck bane]

not being added... has been added, it's already in with the latest version

[remote ibex]

I have the surf tm but i cant surf on the route underneath fuschia

[tranquil path]

You need the saffron city badge

[lilac iron]

XBox 360 Profile picture, dude, when did Discord add 360 Support

[harsh sphinx]

Not sure, ask Mr quitslurpen

[lilac iron]

1 really important question... Do I need XBox Live Gold. If so, we have officially hit rock bottom.

[harsh sphinx]

Mmm..nahhh I just got an image of the 360 panda pfp from Google and plastered it on my profile

[fresh flint]

So do any of the calculators have the new mons?

[brisk solstice]

if.daena.me

If that would hyperlink, it does

[agile olive]

all of them should by now

except meloetta cos that one hasn't been added yet

[regal vault]

Why is this chat still open? 🤨

[agile olive]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sharp nebula]

its fun

[stuck bane]

Discussing future choices as well, some of my choices have especially moved around after talking to people

[spare frost]

Also I guess expressing commiserations for the runner-ups and hoping that some'll get added later.

[prime dust]

anything on the poll that didn't get in this time, may get in later

it all depends on when frogman has time, or he feels like expanding the dex again

[inland jewel]

and if he want to do a poll, or just add mons he want

[clever atlas]

[HYPERLINK BLOCKED]

[prime dust]

?tag daena

bot seems to be blocked in this chat but plop that in #ask-a-bot or somewhere else and it'll give you the link

[silent acorn]

You know how they prepare for elections in real life a year in advance? That's why

Tropius too relatable to be added to IF

[regal vault]

Claydol too

[proud lion]

If all mons get added, this channel will say

[silent acorn]

Nah claydol is dex accurate fusions

[proud lion]

https://tenor.com/view/he-gone-dead-hella-dead-gif-20116498

[silent acorn]

I mean we have much to fight about yeah

Tropius hits too close home because it's realistic. We all eat fruit and remain fat.

[terse pilot]

I wanted to added a fusion of sam snow and kit casey from that netflix show

And also add usaring

[celest bobcat]

Looks like Meowstics to me

[arctic glacier]

Honestly, Oricorio having 4 different fusion forms for the same Pokemon is a bit much to ask for fusion wise. 4 new variants of bird

[gray vine]

but burd

[terse pilot]

Sunny from omori

[hollow quest]

that doesn't look very sunny

[gleaming trench]

Magearna def has to be the next pokemon to be added

the fusions would be amazing

[gray vine]

tbh it would be kinda very like the klink line

[hollow quest]

my desire for magearna is more a strategic one, because special moxie in soul-heart

[gleaming trench]

partly, she has more detail though which could offer more outcomes

[gray vine]

eh

[gleaming trench]

[hollow quest]

i expected the klink + gardy line to have somethin with magearna but it doesn;t

[tame flax]

https://tenor.com/view/bird-bird-up-terminal-montage-monster-hunter-gif-16266096

[drowsy drift]

at least they're all different types

[royal drum]

Honestly, it would be very funny if the said "we will bring bruxish to infinite fusions as a Christmas gift."

And that's the sole reason this channel still exists

[drowsy drift]

bruxish would be a good addition to the game, sorry to all the haters

[hushed mantle]

We already have a lot of water and psychic types, not sure what would that add

[stuck bane]

Honestly, besides costing 1 slot, does it have enough to justify being a bad pick? Good attack and speed, the only water and psychic type to get strong jaw, only mon that gets dazzling, it’s definitely not a top pick, and I’m not saying it’s even a good pick, but is it an actively negative pick?

[gray vine]

i jsut like fusions tbh i dont care for stats, types or stuff like this i never even learned typing in the games because i never needed to

[agile olive]

I feel like playing the game without knowing at least some basic type interactions would be painful. that's some 'I only use my charizard with all fire moves' stuff

[gray vine]

i mean..yes lul i dont do that now i atleast have 1 non there own type move in but usually its just the most damaging move on my team

never had issues before in any of the games nor in fusions

i usually only use 1 mon, only since sumo been using a full team even tho its mostly still me only using 1 mon just sometimes switching up who fights what trainer

[fossil shadow]

New Pokémon hmm yes yes

[gray vine]

yes yes mmh indeed

[chilly forge]

scraggy/scrafty should be added

[cinder oasis]

I like to have my pokemon having over 460 bst and not an awful typing usually

[gray vine]

thats fine, i just dont care myself as i never needed it

[cinder oasis]

Use only unown fusions

Unown, sableye and mawile

[gray vine]

thats lame

why would i, i wanna use nice neat fusions

[cinder oasis]

They have nice fusions

[gray vine]

if there are cool fusions of thsoe i would use em ye

not sableye tho cause i never liked it

also prefer my mons to have some evos so i can have my fusion evolve as much as possible or atleast a few times to always have soemthing new

[tame flax]

fuse the cave goblin with the shroom kangaroo

[gray vine]

but thats only 1 evo, boring

[slim otter]

I'm of the opinion that we will end up with cool fusions of any pokemon that gets added

[tired kraken]

I really hope Gourgeist is added in the future, cause that would bring a boatload of fun Halloween themed fusions

[vapid yew]

I desire Vespiqueen honestly. I loved the way you obtained them in Diamond/Pearl and it would be fun to replicate that. Gen 4 slapped.

[outer hound]

hello guyz , is sableye in the game already?

[prime dust]

nope /s

not like there was a big server announcement about 6.0 that added the new mons /s

[alpine rune]

Probably not, it got cancelled

[white meadow]

They removed all mons and added a Bruxish of every type

[brisk vessel]

Bruxish fans when I skin infant babies in front of them

[prime dust]

ok wtf

please delete that immediately, that is not an okay thing to say...ever

[prime dust]

like seriously...

[empty leaf]

What in the-

[prime dust]

report it if need be, there's a complaint form at the bottom of the rules

[alpine rune]

Cant imagine a scenario if you dont have imagination

[late torrent]

Vespiquen would be cool!

Personally i think braviary or malamar would be cool

[neat dove]

ahhhh infant babies

as opposed to adult babies

[late torrent]

What about elder babies?

[neat dove]

They're not good this patch. Need a buff methinks

[silent acorn]

Honestly that's why no one wants her besides the fact she is like Beedrill

[lethal zephyr]

It would make for cool fusions

[fossil ridge]

Are there any more new Pokémon being added to IF that we know about?
I really hope Spheal makes it in lol

[white meadow]

The newest mon we will get is Meloetta
the rest of the announced mons is in alreadyy

[fossil ridge]

Right, I saw that haha. I was wondering if we knew if any more were going to be added in the future. I just wanna see Spheal hahaha

[sharp nebula]

we'll most likely get more in the future, and hopefully spheal wont be one of them

[inland jewel]

we will get more in the future, but we don't know what they are, the ones with the highest chance right now are gens 5-7 starters

other than that, no news on what or when we will get new mons

[sterile verge]

Pov: You make a joke in front of a person in 2023 (having fun was illegal at the time)

https://tenor.com/view/fan-average-yelling-british-argument-gif-20849454

[prime dust]

that wasn't a joke

[prime dust]

we know when

SOON™️

[sterile verge]

wait, you think they are going to skin infant babies because people like the pokemon Bruxish?

[fossil ridge]

Yeah that definitely makes sense I was just curious honestly.
I'm a Content Creator on YT and did IF as a live series and wanna do it again at some point in the future so was just wondering. But yeah I'm excited to see what comes next

[sterile verge]

https://tenor.com/view/seriously-laugh-laughing-you-serious-jk-simmons-gif-6107729

[empty pendant]

there's a difference between "not a joke because you think they'll literally do it" and "not a joke because it's just an unfunny statement"

[sterile verge]

just cause a joke is unfunny doesnt mean its not a joke
I'm unfunny all the time and you dont see me changing my username

[empty pendant]

yeah but like if you can claim literally anything is a joke just because you want it to be then the term joke doesn't mean anything there's gotta be some minimum criteria

and that means sometimes people say something's a joke and they're wrong

if I threaten someone and they go "wtf" and I go "it's a joke calm down", no it wasn't, I'm being an asshole

I wouldn't do that but it's an example

[sterile verge]

the criteria was "I don't like this thing, so I'm going to do something that is completely unjustifed and extreme in comparison"

like if I said "Teachers when I actually jump off the bridge because my friends did too"

just cause its a kind of dark joke that doesnt appeal to everyone doesnt mean it should be the reason someone is banned off of a platform

[empty pendant]

idk about banning someone over it either but it's not really a joke it's just a random statement

the difference between your 'teachers when i' comment and the babies thing is that there's an extra layer of referential context that creates the necessary subversion of expectations for something to be a joke; the external societal context of teachers and other authority figures commonly saying "if all your friends jumped off a bridge would you jump too" is necessary to 'get' the joke

there's nothing to 'get' with the babies comment. not a joke.

[sterile verge]

the joke is that because someone likes a fictional fish with lips the OP would skin infant babies which would be an extreme overreaction to a subjective opinion.

is it a poorly thought out joke, yes
is it a joke, still yes

[empty pendant]

that's not really a joke though that's just a random hyperbolic statement?

[sterile verge]

defining jokes is a hard thing to draw a line on ima be real with you. but it's clear at least that the original intent was for it to not be taken seriously.

though ima stop now since both the people whom we are discusiing are gone so we can prob just move on

so, Blastoise amIright?

[inland jewel]

the best chance of knowing when a new pokemon will be added, or what will be added will always be in #announcements, its not like they announce new pokemon in here ahead of time, they always go to Announcements first

[empty pendant]

anyways bruxish is mid tbh. good abilities and moves, interesting but very loud color scheme, meh body. wouldn't be upset to make fusions with it

would be great for another danganronpa ref fusion

sadly I can't think of anything from calamity that'd benefit from it

[sterile verge]

the only bosses that havent been added to IF from Calamity are (I believe)
Aquatic Scourge,
Perforators,
Hive Mind,
Ceasless Void,
Signus,
Old Duke,
XF-09 Ares,
and XS-01 Artemis & XS-03 Apollo

[brisk solstice]

Are you wanting those as alts?

[cinder oasis]

Bruxish is good tbh, then it's design is just terrible

It has a lot going for it, but it's just hideous

[empty pendant]

ok but I could use it to make kazuichi

[sterile verge]

Kazuichi with humongus lips*

[brisk solstice]

I'd suggest making #sprite-requests for these guys if you haven't already

[empty pendant]

yes, which is extremely funny

[fossil ridge]

Yeah no I know that and I look there before. I was just moreso asking if we knew there was more coming or not. I know the mods said only 20 or so were getting added original so I wasn't sure if that was all or more were coming lol

[inland jewel]

Aside from Meloetta, no, there has been no promises for other pokemon besides her

we can reasonably assume that she could bring more pokemon with her, but we are only promised Meloetta

[prime dust]

well we have a sort of future promise of the gen 5, 6 and 7 starters...but that is likely a good ways off, but yes otherwise meloetta is the last guaranteed mon

[tall bluff]

how many new pokemon usually come with an update

I imagine things will slow down a bit as you approach the 3D gens and spriting them in 2D becomes harder

[stuck bane]

as much as I want starters (unova especially), the bolded part of the pinned message saying "might" really doesn't confirm anything. Yeah people would love if they were added but at the end of the day it's frogs game and he adds what he wants, simple as that

[stuck bane]

not really, there's plenty of 2d sprites of all mons up to gen 7 (they were on the vote) and plenty of spriters also go out of their way to make custom bases (see assets gallery) so there's plenty variations of mons as long as they're in the game

[prime dust]

it varies, 6.0 i think is one of the larger ones

[tall bluff]

tbh this is me personally. But I'd like to see another legendary/mythical squeezed in before post-game.

maybe something not too insane like manaphy.
also patiently waiting for my boi Greninja

[prime dust]

we will make sure that is the last legend/mythical squeezed in

because it is the most annoying of all legends/mythicals

[stuck bane]

I think jirachi can already be obtained before postgame technically (777 mons seen or something?) and depending on how you get meloetta she might be before the postgame as well, not to mention entei is already obtainable before postgame, there's already a few and we don't want to overload a team full of legends/mythicals before the postgame (can't you obtain the 3 legendary birds before postgame too technically?)

[tall bluff]

technically yes, but you get them just before victory road so. Technically yes

you know what legendary is very very odd to me?

Celebi... level 30 locked behind post game... why?

[prime dust]

its not locked behind level 30

now granted the shrine for celebi is locked behind post game

[inland jewel]

Varies,

From what I saw in diggin

30 mons added, 20 mons added, 45 mons added, were the last 3 big updates
Granted it was 2 months apart each and then a 4 year gap for the 45 one

Before that Pyukumuku was added solo

and then pokemon here and there with 1-2 lines normally taking months between

[spare frost]

I'd still really like Keldeo!
It's just unfortunate that they have the baggage of the other Blades of Justice. I would much rather just not worry about them, say that Keldeo travelled to Johto on their own or some such.

[trail hull]

Im still hoping for mons in the future

At least to reach 500

[inland jewel]

we have room for all mons from gens 3-7, its just a matter of time, it could take 3 months, it could take 4 years, but the next batch will be added "eventually"

[trail hull]

I think the next batch that gonna be added is form change from mon that couldn’t change form before

[inland jewel]

i mean, the only mon we know for the next "batch" is meloetta. could very well be a solo release

[trail hull]

And maybe starters

[inland jewel]

well they did say "maybe" to the starters, we know 100% we are getting Meloetta

[tall bluff]

no I mean celebi is level 30

at a time when trainers likely have level 40-50 mons

[stuck bane]

Keldeo is fine, but what does it bring on its own? It would just feel so weird having a keldeo event that didn’t involve bringing the 3 swords of justice together considering it’s so intertwined with them

[spare frost]

Nice to have a specifically swordfighting themed Pokemon?

[stuck bane]

Eh, gallade kind of already fills that role, same with most things that Aegislash line is fused with, and can it even be called sword fighting? If I remember right the resolute form doesn’t even have any mechanical change, it just looks different

[spare frost]

It's their particular theme/inspiration.

Though sure, those other two exist also.

[inland jewel]

I mean, on the polls, Keldeo was by himself and the Swords were bundled, so if the vote did go that way Keldeo would have been added by himself

but even then, just because one half is in doesn't mean the other half gets in either.

Look at Cresselia nad Darkrai

[stuck bane]

Was it that way in the spriter vote too? Obv no legends or mythicals but I could’ve sworn people were saying things like Durant/heatmor were bundled now when they weren’t before

[inland jewel]

in both polls, durant and heatmor were seperate

[spare frost]

That is true, just yes. I'd expect there to be people like "well it'd be weird to include the swords if you're gonna have Keldeo". Hell that literally just happened.

[stuck bane]

Oh really? I could’ve sworn I saw people talking about that for some mons, ah well maybe counterpart changes never did happen and we’re keeping things as they were on the first poll

[inland jewel]

i mean some were bundled, like the Alolan monkies, and Seviper/Zangoose

just others weren't

[stuck bane]

Eh, ok, so keldeo doesn’t need to have swords of justice with it, but still what makes keldeo a good pick over any other mons?

[spare frost]

I mean. My position is just that I like them and I think they could make for some appealing fusions.

[jade galleon]

I WANT MY SERPERIOR BOY 😢

[stuck bane]

Like what kind of appealing? I’m genuinely struggling to think of things keldeo can do that nobody else can

[stuck bane]

SAME! if it weren’t for meloetta it’d be so unover, great design, contrary, Serperior has so many great things

[spare frost]

Well that's not necessarily all it's about, is it? You wouldn't say no traditional Dragons need to be added because Charizard exists.

[stuck bane]

That’s fair, but there’s a lot of reasons to want any mons but charizard, it’s the most overrated pokemon, it’s not actually a dragon, and there’s plenty of other different designed dragons like rayquaza or altaria or noivern or Goodra that can be used to make different designs, besides being a water fighting type, is it all that different from rapidash? 4 legged horse with a horn on its head, only difference is I think keldeo has fur, and that’s not a lot to help it stand on its own

[empty pendant]

keldeo body is the best possible base for mlp references (this is not an advantage)

[stuck bane]

Exactly what I was afraid of

[spare frost]

I don't think you're wrong on those points about Charizard, but I was saying from a design standpoint. Charizard is a fairly typical Dragon design, how is it meaningfully different from Dragonite?
(I'm making this comparison for hyperbole, this isn't actually my position, I'm saying it's okay to have some Pokemon with design overlap.)

[empty pendant]

if keldeo gets added and turns into "heheh the my little pony" the way porygon is the "heheh minecraft" I'll be very :/ about it

[tranquil path]

porygon fusions go hard

[stuck bane]

Which is why I really hope he comes with the swords of justice, it makes more sense if they are a package and could lessen the swarm of MLP by giving the other 3 fusions

[glossy osprey]

the swarm will not be lessened

[empty pendant]

some porygon fusions are fantastic but every time there's real potential and we get a 100% isometric cube I take a drink and stare off into the distance

[stuck bane]

I… it might, MLP feels like it’s been out of mainstream for a pretty long time by now right? You don’t really see bronies or much anymore nowadays (I don’t)

[inland jewel]

to be fair, the version of MLP that they like has long since ended

[tranquil path]

its still embedded into the internet culture to an extent over a certain age group

now i dont really see it much nowadays but i know some places in the internet are still all about it

[cinder oasis]

It's easily been like a decade since then or a little less

[sharp nebula]

i wont say where but i see mlp annoyingly often

[stuck bane]

F

[glossy osprey]

oh jeesus

[tranquil path]

Same but i wasnt gonna invoke that topic here

[sharp nebula]

i dont know what topic youre talking about i said nothing my lips are sealed my face is a mask

[hushed mantle]

So that’s what the point of the mask is

[tranquil path]

dream fusion when /s

[tranquil path]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/543958354377179176/1106170184571568149/195.352a.png?ex=657adcc3&is=656867c3&hm=d6d3e1d9ff87d194ffd77371a7d7e6e24d58dd55731c471513f2f030c652515f&

its real lmao

[stuck bane]

Wait is that bibarel? Because of the tail?

[tranquil path]

quagsire's tail

[stuck bane]

Bruh who did quagsire and roserade dirty like this they don’t deserve that

[dusky drum]

what are some of the lyconrock fusions. i cant find any custom ones from what ive caught

[stuck bane]

lycanroc was only revealed beginning of november, and the way sprite packs work they're 2 months behind, so since this was the october sprite pack, we won't get any lycanroc fusion sprites until beginning of january (the november sprite pack)

(another reason I'm super hopeful we have at least 2 months before meloetta is added)

[dusky drum]

sad day

[orchid vault]

you can always go search for headmon/bodymon on the spite gallery and add the ones you need to your folder manually

[alpine rune]

aint no ay...

[stiff ember]

so are they done adding pokemon?

[hollow quest]

for now

more will likely come later down the road

[stiff ember]

Yaknow, there seems to be one missing. A certain skunk. (I knew i wasnt going to get my favorite pokemon lol.)

[glossy osprey]

There are significant absences indeed

[stiff ember]

kinda was hoping there wouldnt be any legendaries added but oh well

really gotta wonder why the sandcastle and anchor were added

[glossy osprey]

Can't go wrong with some sea themed additions

[stiff ember]

lame pokemon imo

there were a few good ones tho so im happy

Scolipede lycanroc tyrantrum goodra garboder

[stuck bane]

"If I had a nickel for every vocally outspoken skuntank fan in this server, I'd have two nickels, which isn't alot but it's weird that there's two of them"

[stiff ember]

? (the thing i was ?ing to has since been deleted.)

[bronze nexus]

weird question, does modern mode include the ability to find all of the new pokemon?

[gray vine]

dont think so

[bronze nexus]

shooooooottttttt

[gray vine]

outside of trades and blak market

so if you really wanna i guess just do the black market

[bronze nexus]

i like the changes modern mode makes and wanted to do a run with new mons but oh well ig :/

[gray vine]

just spüend minutes or hours at the black market totally worth it

will only cost you 50k to unfuse them

[bronze nexus]

are they available at all on classic mode?

[gray vine]

ye

[limber niche]

I can't remember if it's just the wild encounters or just the static encounters but there is a way to get some of the new mon in modern

[bronze nexus]

early game that is i mean, so i can still use them

[gray vine]

they are just added to the wild encounters so some will be evyr early some very late

[stuck bane]

Is it possible to beat the game, new game plus, then modern mode? Or is that not possible?

[gray vine]

trades and black market ye i dunno if there is more

[stuck bane]

I do know some early eggs like rockruff and venipede are always there no matter what, even on randomized mode

[gray vine]

havent played long enough to know those are added, are they just added to the eggs you get at the daycare or somewhere else

talking about the nurse in the back giving out eggs not just normal daycare breeding lul

[stuck bane]

Hold on, I did a gift mon only hardcore nuzlocke so I know basically all the options up to Erika

[limber niche]

Okay so all new mons found in eggs are available in modern mode

[stuck bane]

Fight rival before challenging Brock:
Secret garden Rockruff egg

After obtaining cut and taking Diglett tunnel:
Viridian forest Venipede egg

Enter rock tunnel, Rock tunnel noibat egg

All these are available before Erika, and randomized mode or anything doesn’t change what egg they are (secret garden egg always hatches into rockruff)

[limber niche]

I know theres also a snorunt egg, I'll have to check the patch notes to see what else has eggs

[stuck bane]

Goomy Hawlucha and swablu are the others:

Route 15 nest goomy egg

Saffron city nest Hawlucha egg

Route 23 nest swablu egg

Seafoam islands nest snorunt egg

[gray vine]

so many omletes

im still trying to complete the dex but tbh im bored of that so might just update

[stuck bane]

Honestly the eggs were such a brilliant edition, things like rockruff can help lessen the variables you have to deal with in a nuzlocke, and things like scolipede can be obtained super early (after surge) meaning I can use it to get things like the pineco quest

[sterile spoke]

What does everyone think of the final update batch? 🙂

Just updated the pinned posts as well. 😉

[brisk solstice]

They're all beautiful silly little guys

[sterile spoke]

I think it's a really solid bunch, it's just missing a scarf-wearing bee and delinquent panda. 😛

And poison frog ninja. 😉

[late torrent]

Really hope pangoro gets in one day

[brisk vessel]

Jotaro

[late torrent]

Dio

[crisp prawn]

I just realised zangoose and seviper never made it in. I don't know why they feel like pokemon who should be in by default somehow. Dang...

Not even like they're top of my vote or anything (although pretty high), but they're quite iconic and probably make for good fusions, so that surprises me.

[late torrent]

I would love to make a zangoose fusion

[crisp prawn]

Yeah, zangoose would be very fun to work with! Can't believe this is the timeline we got trubbish and garbadour and not zangoose and seviper 😭

[clever atlas]

We got Lycanroc, so I'm happy with the vote

I mean, I personally would add some different pokemon, but im not disappointed

Even the Pokémon i was least chill about getting in, Toxapex and the Regis, eventually got some great fusions (for Regis it's mostly just 'Steel head fusions but still)

[brisk vessel]

Melo got in so I'm happy with the vote

I literally do not care about whatever else gets in at this point I'm just glad my #1 made it

[clever atlas]

Eventually

[crisp prawn]

I am most pleased with toxapex getting in, especially for head fusions its great. What I am most pleasantly surprised with is necrozma and pallosand. I rolled my eyes as each got announced, but the community has really made me change tune with how creative people are getting with them. Pallosand is both amazing as a head and body.

[brisk vessel]

Sand is a very versatile material

I wonder if it's worth making the Evo sprite for my Sandygast/Mismagius (it's gonna be an even bigger sandwich)

[stiff ember]

A special someone is missing. Wonder who?

[white meadow]

let me guess, it's a dark poison type?

[sullen elbow]

Yes, Overqwill

[sterile spoke]

Ribombee? I will rally until my death for it. 🙂

[spare frost]

Yeah Ribombee not making the cut was another surprise. Especially because, their niche isn't even really occupied by anyone else.

There's like, what, Celebi? Closest thing if anything?

[glossy osprey]

XYZ trio not making it had me shocked, I thought they were gonna be one of the popular ones

[gray vine]

Yveltal would have been fun

[spare frost]

I'm still surprised it was particularly the Regis of all things that got in. I'd really have thought between Regigigas themselves and Golurk, you can already do any Golem adjacent design you care to.

[sharp nebula]

they were a waste of 3 slots imo

[wanton cliff]

Personally I would love wishiwashi

[spare frost]

I find myself struggling to care about most Pokemon post XY, with a handful of exceptions. Wishiwashi is alright, fun theme if nothing else. Might make for some interesting combinations.

[gray vine]

wouldnt it be 4? cause of the triple fusion or does that work differently

[shrewd pike]

gen 7 was straight up banger after banger but yea 6 8 9 are all meh for me

[wanton cliff]

6 and 8 especially

[shrewd pike]

they were like, forgotten about instantly but stuff like minor and pallosand and regional forms got released in gen 7. the tapus were a fun idea too and also cant forget abt hms being replaced by actual pokemon

[gray vine]

gen 7 is my fav gen

8 had great pokemon but horrible writing and gen 9 had a bit weaker mons but almost great writing

[wanton cliff]

Gen 9 gave us tinkaton and dolive

[gray vine]

at first i didnt care for tinkaton till i saw its sleeping animation

[sullen elbow]

I agree

[shrewd pike]

the only gen 7 pokemon i dont see praised online is passimian OUT OF THE WHOLE GENERATION

[shrewd pike]

i havent checked gen 9 too much but theyre mostly hit or miss

[gray vine]

i will say i hate gen 9 for ruining the engine pokemon, it didnt look how i imagined it would firstly and then it didnt even evolve into a steel car...why does it look so bad..a fcking car out of rocks whyyy

[wanton cliff]

I love the ultra beasts, we need more alien pokemon

[shrewd pike]

i have seen every single gen 7 pokemon except crabominable as someones pfp fr

oh and gumshoos but it was sorta popular when the gsames first released

[sullen elbow]

It was more of a meme than actually popular

[gray vine]

this was the fanwork we got from when this mon was first shown on the star mobile and i was really exited only for it to not look like this at all

accidently still spoilered lul

[gray vine]

i enjoy crabominable and more then its pre evo

[shrewd pike]

yea but it was still talked abt lol and so was toucannon

[wanton cliff]

Gen 8 had my favourite regional forms tbh

[shrewd pike]

yk how during every world championships they show off the newest threath we should be expecting to see a lot of in the new gen?? and before gen 7 they decided to show off CRABRAWLER

[shrewd pike]

tbh same alolan regionals were too safe imo

[wanton cliff]

I think we should have gotten one future paradox based on like digital things, like a virus

[shrewd pike]

yea future paradoxes are mostly weak designs what if x was robot 😱 it gets old after like, 2 pokemon

[wanton cliff]

Like paradox porygon, or even paradox deyoxys

[gray vine]

we still have one dlc left and maybe we get more in another game depending on how they are gonna explain how paradoxes work

[wanton cliff]

Tbf, it works well on some of them, iron valiant, iron thorns, the cobalion one

[gray vine]

nahh i love the future mons

i enjoy the robotic versions

[shrewd pike]

i agree with brian hands and valiant but the rest could be literally anything else lol

[wanton cliff]

Iron thorns is mech Godzilla, soooo

[gray vine]

so was

[wanton cliff]

But yeah a future porygon would ahve been awesome

[wanton cliff]

Iron thorns did it better tbf

Duralodon looks naked

[gray vine]

its the same gen so eh, i will say tho its cloearly designed after a lighter so why did they go with skyscraper in the big form and then volve it into a bridge

[shrewd pike]

yea but it wasnt a mech godzilla design it was a shining tyranitar thats it they couldve tried giving it more mech godzilla features but the future forms are just too tied to the original mons. so are past paradox mons but at least their fantasy isnt as high as the future mons' so they pull it off

[wanton cliff]

Iron jugulus is the worst one, they didnt change it at ALL

[shrewd pike]

i like its colors its definetely better tgan iron thorns

and if ur making a pokemon named IRON THORNS make it a ferrothorn paradox or smthng

[wanton cliff]

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhh, iron jugulus is actually almost identical to regular hydreigon

[late torrent]

I actually like iron jugulus

[silent acorn]

I know you are sadge

[gray vine]

iron jugulus is awesome

[wanton cliff]

It's only awesome because hydreigon is awesome

[gray vine]

my first paradox despite playing violet was roaring moon it was my first ever suprise trade in the game lul

[wanton cliff]

I only have two shiny paradoxes

Iron thorns and iron valiant, as those are the only one I like the chrome on

[gray vine]

i have none

violet iwas the first game i received a single shiny

shiny sudowodoo randomly got while training

[late torrent]

The violet paradoxes could’ve been a bit more then what we got but i’m fine with them

[wanton cliff]

The first shiny I ever got was a full odds torchic in alpha sapphire

Wasnt even hunting for it

[gray vine]

even in arceus i never got a shiny outside of the ones you get in the missions

[late torrent]

I only like a handful of the scarlet paradoxes like scream tail, roaring moon and Silver Wing

[wanton cliff]

I love flutter mane

[silent acorn]

Flutter mane pretty

[wanton cliff]

Future paradox metagross would be cool, maybe it could be called iron brain

[silent acorn]

Iron Mind... Honestly sounds very bland considering Metagross is already iron

[wanton cliff]

Fair, but it could llbe like a spaceship

Like massive one, and like the metagross is the computer controlling it

[late torrent]

I feel like metagross is already pretty futuristic

Maybe a past form would be better

[wanton cliff]

Both would be cool

[empty pendant]

Okay, but you know what'd be even cooler? Future paradox Kangaskhan that is a mecha with a clear belly and the baby is inside it with pilot controls

[wanton cliff]

Future deyoxys that's a computer virus

[white meadow]

Future Tyrantrum called Iron Resurection

[wanton cliff]

I would prefer a past one

[late torrent]

For a second i thought it said tyranitar

[wanton cliff]

That's feathered

I love the concept of paradox pokemon

[white meadow]

But he is based on a Trex that probably didnt really have Fethers just a bit of fluff

[wanton cliff]

In the pokedex it says that it did

[late torrent]

I want a past feraligatr that’s actually dark type

[spare frost]

They're not even aliens though. They're just things that you might reasonably expect to be Pokemon anyway. They really didn't need to create this entire new thing for those designs, especially since they abandoned it all by the next generation anyway.

[wanton cliff]

I would love ancestral pokemon, like pokemon that spilt off to become two others

Like I could imagine tropous and lapras being related in a fantasy way

[late torrent]

A good one would be Feraligatr and Krookodile’s ancestor

[spare frost]

I don't hate the "ancestral Pokemon" or whatever it's called thing in principle, but why didn't they just give them normal names and make them new branches on the evolution trees?

Like what's the point? What is "x pokemon but bigger and it doesn't evolve and it has a stupid literal name" adding?

[wanton cliff]

Wailord and cetitan ancestor

[cobalt quartz]

theyre paradoxes for a reason

[late torrent]

A Meowth and Purrloin ancestor

[gray vine]

i really wish they didnt abandon them and i would consider them alien, alien pokem on arent new to the franchise anyway we got a bunch already outside of the ultra beasts, i liked them being basically pokemon from a different universe and most being fairly huge, i would however not agree they look like how a normal pokemon would look like, to me they seem like a good way to go crazy with a design without it having to be a legendary

[spare frost]

Right. Something like Deoxys, it is alien in design, concept, and within the logic of the setting. The Ultra Beasts could just pass as normal Pokemon, except for the logic of the setting.

[wanton cliff]

Eh, some of them feel off from regular mons, especially nihilego, and buzzswole

[gray vine]

yeah but deoxies isnt considered a normal pokemon

i will say maybe im talking past you cause i do infact mean they are pokemon, just with the setting of from a different universe

[spare frost]

That's what I'm saying though, Deoxys is unique and fits all the criteria, but they didn't create a whole new special category for them.

[gray vine]

you dont NEED a beast ball for them, you can use any ball, they are infact normal pokemon just not from the normal world

[spare frost]

That's what I'm saying, it's just a superficial gimmick to add to the pile.

[gray vine]

pretty sure they never really did for them eitjher, they call them UB cause its a different dimension but they are still even in universe considered pokemon just with the special title because of there origin, like how legendaries and mythicals have titles

i dunno i enjoy them still being seperated gives them a nice themeing

them not even considered special at all seems lame to me

[spare frost]

I'm saying they should have either been a host of Legendaries and actually been relevant, or bump them down to regular Pokemon that you can only get in a special location. The halfway house we got is just strange.

[gray vine]

eh

[wanton cliff]

I dont think they should have been legendaries

[gray vine]

im already tired of the amount of legendaries that get shit out

[late torrent]

The thing is they’re not legendaries or normal pokemon

[spare frost]

That's just it!!
They're regarded as equivalent to Legendaries with how sections of the plot revolves around the idea of them, and then you get to them and they're just. Regular Pokemon that you can only catch One of.

[gray vine]

like i love us getting new legendaries every gen but man we dont need that many in a gen

[wanton cliff]

The gen 9 quartet though

[gray vine]

that makes them as special as legendaries so i dont see the issue

they just arent legendaries, what makes them special is they are from a different dimension

[spare frost]

That's just fluff though. The vectors for understanding the special-ness of Pokemon have been pretty set for a long time. Regular, legendary, mythical.

[gray vine]

and they can be expanded

[spare frost]

Sure, but it has to be done well and not die on the vine after one debut generation.

[gray vine]

i mean i did agree there, we need more ultra beasts

doubt we gonna tho

[spare frost]

I just think if they were going to insist on them being their own thing, they needed to be done better from the outset.

[late torrent]

And maybe it won’t. Sun and Moon had a specific plot line. It wouldn’t fit in Sword and Shield as their gimmick was eternatus and the dynamax and it wouldn’t fit into Scarlet and Violet as the Ultra Beasts aren’t past or future pokemon of existing pokemon.

[gray vine]

they could always pull a post credit story

[wanton cliff]

I think they could have fir or into s/v

[late torrent]

Maybe as a dlc but in the main game not really

[wanton cliff]

That's just me though

[spare frost]

This is a strange argument. If they wanted Ultra Beasts to be relevant in Sword and Shield, they could have just. Done that. It's not like Sword and Shield was already made and they had to make room, they finished making Sun & Moon and moved onto Sword & Shield and it's gimmick that they abandoned for the next one.

[wanton cliff]

It would get annoying if every game just went, they were ultra beasts the whole time

[gray vine]

wut

[late torrent]

The thing is Ultra Beasts are special and not everywhere like legendary pokemon are. If we had Ultra Beasts in Sword and Shield they’d need to alter the story to fit them in. Sure it could’ve worked but it would’ve been like sun and moon again and we already had those games.

[gray vine]

this is about introducing some new ones, not just turning pokemon into them lul, like a side quest of a ultra hole opening

[spare frost]

I'm saying that, if they wanted to make Ultra Beasts relevant in Sword & Shield, they could have and would have. They wouldn't have had to alter the story to fit them, because the story didn't exist at all at one point in time.

[gray vine]

i dont need them to be a main story plot again but they where introduced so kinda wish they did more with that

like how the ruin legendaries in scvi wherent main story and more side quests

[spare frost]

That's my position, they should have either committed or not bothered and just simplified the whole thing.

[wanton cliff]

So you think they shouldn't have done mega evolution? They only made megas for one generation

[spare frost]

I think the Pokemon games having a conveyor belt of ideas they try once then kick to the curb, is bad.

[sterile spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-serious-stare-suspicious-gif-5319823

[wanton cliff]

I do think most gimmicks should have three generations to like flesh themselves out at least

[spare frost]

I think some are fine enough, like Mega Evolution.

The ones that followed, the big one and the weird crystal one, they just read like attempts to redo Mega Evolution in a way that means they have to pay artists less.

[wanton cliff]

I wouldnt say terrastillizing was just mega evolution 2

Gigantamaxing was

Gigantamaxing could have just been mega evolutions and no one would have cared

[hexed agate]

https://tenor.com/view/zapp-brannigan-squint-gif-5110106

[spare frost]

There was also the stupid special move one, that existed alongside Mega Evolution like an annoying sibling.

They tried so desperately to integrate it into the not gyms.

[wanton cliff]

Z moves were bad

[spare frost]

Ugh. I think all this contributes to why generations 4 and 5 are so popular even now. Definitely part of why I appreciate them.

Just before things got like this.

[wanton cliff]

It sucka that you need the z crystal to have ultra necrozma

Ultra necrozma looks so cool

[spare frost]

If it were part of a game I appreciated more, maybe I'd agree.
To me it's just... A dragon. Went from a weird meteorite creature to a dragon.

[wanton cliff]

It was a black hole, but sure

[spare frost]

Doesn't it literally fall from the sky?

[pallid spindle]

What if all the generations are good and add something unique and interesting to the franchise

[wanton cliff]

Yes, but it's based on a black hole, it eats light

[spare frost]

Hah! That's a good one!

[late torrent]

Every pokemon game is fine to me

[pallid spindle]

So true

[wanton cliff]

The only pokemon games that I actually think are more than a 7/10 are gen 3, gen 4, and gen 5

[brisk vessel]

So a robot mom piloted by its child

[spare frost]

I'm only talking about how it looks. It's a weird crystal thing. And it becomes a Dragon.

[brisk vessel]

Now where have I heard that one before

[wanton cliff]

It was also based on a prisim

[empty pendant]

"get in the robot, shinji"

[late torrent]

This chat kind of went off topic

[wanton cliff]

Yeah

[late torrent]

Should’ve probably been in the actual off topic channel or other pokemon games

[wanton cliff]

I cant belive I started this by saying that wishiwashi would be cool in the game

[late torrent]

Don’t worry I’ve started a few things like this by stating something simple

And it would actually be cool in game

[wanton cliff]

So many interesting ideas for fusions

[empty pendant]

Lmao

[late torrent]

Does anyone know that drampa exists?

[brisk vessel]

If drampa got in I would have made a White Fatalis with him

[late torrent]

It’s right between bruxish and dhelmise

[stuck bane]

Eh, people were mentioning Drampa about as much as Druddigon, but the fans love their dragons so they might be considered

[prime dust]

ok, i'm fine with adding in the missing dergins that we don't have from gens 1-7...long as we also add in any fairy mons we're missing from gen 1-7 at the same time

[sterile spoke]

Z-Moves were great on status moves. 🙂

Z-Conversion Porygon-Z is still one of my favourite Pokémon to use to this day. 😄

[sterile spoke]

Fighting takes precedence, young one. 😛

[brisk vessel]

Good thing we got meloetta then

[prime dust]

depends on how you define young

i lived through both console wars

[sterile spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-krabs-spongebob-meme-age-old-gif-16379891

[sterile spoke]

That's 100% of the reason why I'm happy with Meloetta. 🙂

[stuck bane]

Wait you unironically want aromatisse? I was struggling to think of what it would bring besides another fairy type, so if you got a reason that at least makes aromatisse a decent pick by all means

[prime dust]

well its either all fairy types, which were made specific to end the tyrany of dragons...or the rest of the ice mons...but that means we get avalugg

[stuck bane]

We prob don’t need EVERY dragon, but dragons are popular with the community, that’s all I was saying, as for the completion aspect, I’d much more prefer to look at it from the “types from a region” aspect, for example, adding jellicent gives us 100% of all the ghost types from unova, and adding Amoongus gives us 100% of all the poison types from unova

[gray vine]

jellicent would give a bunch of pringles fusions

[hushed mantle]

Avalugg would be fire if we didn’t have glalie and regice ngl

[white meadow]

Avalugg could be either of those ice types fused with Torterra

[gray vine]

i just enjoy pokemon for there fusion potentioal it is a fusion game after all, stragety should come second

[sterile spoke]

Having more Fighting-types should come first, though. 😉

[stuck bane]

Why yes we ARE in need of more fighting types, a few others as well, so consider unova!:

Monkeys (+2 grass)
Timburr, Gurdurr, and conkeldurr (+3 fight)
Throh and Sawk (+2 fight)
Sewaddle, swadloon, and leavanny (+3 & +3)
Petlil and Lilligant (+2 grass)
Maractus (+1 grass)
Dwebble and Crustle (+2 bug)
Scraggy and scrafty (+2 fight)
Deerling and Sawsbuck (+2 grass)
Karrablast and escavalier (+2 bug)
Foongus and Amoongus (+2 grass/all poison)
Shelmet and accelgor (+2 bug)
Mienfoo and Mienshao (+2 fight)
Durant (+1 bug)
Swords of justice and Keldeo (+1 & +4)

Edit: adding Pansage line because apparently more than 1 person in this server wants them

That makes 14 fighting types, 10 bug types, and 12 grass types! You’d be a fool to ignore unova potential!

[fluid fable]

Mienfoo would be cool.

[north narwhal]

I'm so sad there's no Staraptor yet 😔

[white meadow]

well maybe that’s a good thing

if it was in IF, then everyone would use it

[stuck bane]

And why would that be a bad thing? Staraptor is really only memed because there’s so few mons in a sinnoh playthrough, but it’s not one that everyone is obsessed with

[white meadow]

because it’s part of the meme, Sinnoh teams have staraptor, luxray, lucario, garchomp, etc.

[gray vine]

i dont even remember who that mon is

oh wait now i do

the raptor part really messed with me

[thorny crypt]

bird with pompadour

[stuck bane]

In fact, despite it being yet another normal flying bird, Staraptor has a few things going for it, the only flying type with access to reckless, great attack and good speed, only flying type that naturally learns close combat, it’s probably one of the better regional bird choices (besides what we currently have being only pidgeot and Talonflame)

[white meadow]

maybe the next vote (if there is one) it could get in alongside the sinnoh pikachu clone

[stuck bane]

But of course, much like the pika clone argument, we already have 2 regional birds so people just ignore any other potential

[stuck bane]

Yeah sorry but Emolga is infinitely better, flying type with motor drive alone would go crazy on fusions

[white meadow]

but considering we just had concluded a vote for new Pokémon, it could be a while until the next one, if that even comes

[trail hull]

We got told that some other might be coming : original giaratina ,rotom forms and starters

Which makes 32 extra

[white meadow]

we do not need palkia and dialga's origin forms

[mystic rivet]

If you want those just fuse them with Arceus

[white meadow]

as if anyone could ever "want" those

[trail hull]

They are too late gen thankfully

[trail hull]

Dialga is ok but palkia is terrible

[gray vine]

the rotom forms seem very uneeded

[mystic rivet]

you mean you don't like space horse?

[stuck bane]

It was never stated that origin dialga would ever be considered, origin giratina was considered with the oricorio message, but never dialga since it’s Gen 8

[trail hull]

I meant giratina thank you for making me realize the typo

[spare frost]

There's always Primal Dialga.

[trail hull]

Lol

[stuck bane]

But as for rotom forms with origin giratina, they did say “may” in the message so same with starters there is no guarantee, but origin giratina does bring new stat spread and rotom forms can bring new type combos/moves

[trail hull]

In the message I said might so in that point there’s no need for correcting

[stuck bane]

Fair enough, but people tend to tunnel vision on the wrong perspective when looking at things like that, so it’s just another reminder, nothing is guaranteed

[finite thistle]

Emolga and Togedemaru would be great to see, even Dedenne has some very interesting qualities for fusion material

[weak trellis]

togedemaru would lead to a lot of "x ponders their orb" bits (positive)

[stuck bane]

Even though most of the pikaclones could bring something, it’s nowhere close to Emolga: flying squirrel and gliding fusions, also volt switch by level up, and it’s a flying type with motor drive making any water fusions only weak to rock, and god help you if send in a rock type against a speedy water type. I’m still pretty adamant that Emolga is the best pikaclone choice

Granted, Pachirisu still brings regular squirrel fusions/VGC references, and dedenne is popular due to the anime/brings fairy type, and togedemaru brings steel type/only electric type with iron barbs, they all have a place, and none of them would be bad, but Emolga easily has the most potential

[obsidian wedge]

Hi

I have a request for Pokemon Infinite Fusion

Can you add one of my favorite Legendaries ever, Zygarde?

[prime dust]

maybe

no guarantees on what gets added and when

[stuck bane]

We are not in charge of what gets added unless there’s a vote, and even then we’re usually such a small minority that it doesn’t really make much of an impact, we just talk about what would or wouldn’t be good picks to be added and why

[white meadow]

If they ever add more starters, something they can do is a vote for a single starter type to get in instead of the whole trio

I’m not sure if the people that vote gen 5 would like all of them, so maybe the highest voted gen 5 starter gets in, instead of all three gen 5

[stuck bane]

I think most people would prefer all 3 in the long run because of starter triple fusions, even in this raffle people were talking about how weird it would be if it were only Popplio, as much as I love Serperior over the other 2 unova starters (they’re all still great) I’d want all of them for another triple fusion

[prime dust]

no

[prime dust]

i want emboar mainly because he was my choice in that Gen

got him mostly self covered for moves as well; just couldn't cover his Psychic weakness [least not without sacrificing either his 2 stab moves or the other moves i slapped on to cover other weaknesses]

[stuck bane]

And starters, every starter was someone’s first, so it would just be better to get as many as possible

[white meadow]

tell me more about why we need another fire/fighting starter in the game the irony is that I prefer blaziken over the other choices, which is also fire/fighting

[prime dust]

what, you don't want other game references thanks to Emboar

it isn't just about the type combo [because let's be honest, that is why the Pokemon community loathes fire starters getting up on their hind legs, they don't want another fire/fighting starter]

[stuck bane]

Well, let’s see, triple fusion with other starters, great hp unlike the other 2 fire fighters, decent special attack so it still makes good head fusions, only fire type to get reckless, fire beard fusions and pig/wrestling fusions, and amazing shiny, yeah Emboar would be great

[prime dust]

well, the shiny isn't as important since IF uses a color hue, so short of an alt

[stuck bane]

Still a point in favor, you know people will be using that color palette

[prime dust]

i'm not saying they won't, some spriter is likely to make the shiny an alt for the base

[white meadow]

Incineroar would be good, for the sole fact that we already got hawlucha

Primarina + Milotic could work too

[prime dust]

every starter from gen 5, 6 and 7 will make good additions; i think that is why we voted so heavily for them

[stuck bane]

Honestly the only really difficult part about the starters is coming up with a triple fusion name/design, and picking 3 more spots to put starters all around the region (9 for all remaining starters)

[white meadow]

Seremburott? Serperior lower body, the bulk of Emboar and Samurott’s armor?

[prime dust]

well for classic it'd just be placing them as possible overworld encounters in Viridian River...but yeah modern would be a bit more interesting on location placement

[tame flax]

A centaur like creature with emboars torso, samurotts body as the lower half, and serperiors head and tail

[gray vine]

nothing like a centaur like centaur

[sterile verge]

Gentlemen, we are missing the big picture

[stuck bane]

yeah the first option is way better, it helps unova stand out with a serpentine triple fusion, and like emboar's arms dual weilding samurott's blades just looks way better, and like samurott's helmet with emboar's fire beard would look so good

[sterile verge]

Long ass samurai snake that's on fire

[stuck bane]

serperior is the fastest of the three anyways so it works from that point of view as well

[gray vine]

i would say a chimera works great just cut the wings

[stuck bane]

Actually someone already made one and it’s really close to what I had in mind:

(I can’t do links on phone but you can find it by searching “Serperior Emboar samurott”)

[gray vine]

its kinda mostly serperior tho

[stuck bane]

Obviously not exactly like this, replace the axe with samurott’s swords in each hand, add more armor/samurott whiskers, etc. but for a rough idea someone did when they had time before more mons were even announced this is a really good start

[gray vine]

tho i havent seen any of the triple fusions tbh so cant relate how that is to the rrst

[stuck bane]

A lot (or all?) of the triple fusions are legged so I just think having unova triple fusion with Serperior body would help it stand out, and I do like the current black and white elements in the fusion too

[serene seal]

this but snake

[glossy osprey]

If it were up to me, I'd have it have serperior's body with very increased width, samurott's limbs helmet and whiskers, emboars tusks and body symbols, with some extra fangs, and a large ball of flame, water and greenery on it's back. I'd essentially have it be like a dragon that resembles samurott and serperior in body shape but also have some emboar's features as well.

[sand mica]

Are you interested in Skuntank and Grumpig being added still?

[verbal lantern]

was Rockruff and Lycanrock added? I cant find their sprites in the pack

[white meadow]

There are non until January

[white meadow]

But I plan to make a Custom spritepack with all lycan fusions up until now so if you want I can send it in here

[gray vine]

yes

gimme my farty boy

[tame flax]

Not before slurpuff

[gray vine]

truly an aromatease

[stuck bane]

yeah he's got you there, even if frog isn't gonna add them as counterparts, community will see it that way, and literally everyone I've asked can't think of a good reason to add aromatisse (besides it being a fairy type), so that drags down slurpuff to being a bad choice

[sand mica]

Yeah, Slurpuff isn't one of my favorites and I'm not really interested in that Pokémon being added. I would want to have Aromatisse added first. But apparently people don't like Aromatisse much but Slurpuff is a preferred pick.

[gray vine]

https://tenor.com/view/slurpuff-good-morning-wake-up-pokemon-gif-27675576

lots you can do with cotton candy

[stuck bane]

I was dead serious about reasons, everyone I've asked can't give good reasons for aromatisse besides fairy type, by all means if it has some potential I'm willing to hear it

like, plague mask fusions? maybe?

[sand mica]

Some ideas might be found on Bogleech's page. https://bogleech.com/pokemon/p682spritzee

Some consider Aromatisse similar to an Owlbear from Dungeons & Dragons.

[gray vine]

but there is already an owl in the game and a bear

[stuck bane]

as a guy who has played dnd for 9 years, and pathfinder for 1, I can tell you right now being fluffy and having a beak does not make you anything close to an owlbear. Noctowl and Ursaring would do it way better anyways. it really didn't sound like that link had anything to say since "it's not based on anything that exists so it's like a monster" but that still doesn't help much. and frankly, one problem I had with skuntank is how do you draw smells? stink lines? trying to show off smells in a fusion just don't seem like it could be something with that much potential

[gray vine]

both of which work better then that

[sand mica]

So what about a pink perfume version of an Owlbear?

[gray vine]

i never enjoyed effect in fsuions as it doesnt move so its just some weird non moving efefct thats not even part of the mon, i would rather only use skuntanks features for fusions not the actual stink

[stuck bane]

and that's fine, skuntank at least has the pompadour, but what does aromatisse have? I genuinely mean it? do we slice it up and have each pokemon it's fused with wear it like a scarf, smelling it with a smile on their face? one of aromatisse's biggest problems is that people don't even associate it with a pokemon that smells good because how do you incorporate that into the design?

[sand mica]

Also what about an Owlbear version of something like Miltank? Charizard? Another Pokémon?

[stuck bane]

its not an owlbear did you read anything I said above

[sand mica]

Okay, now I did. At most it might look like an arbitrary bugbear.

Here are some of the comments on the Bogleech page about Aromatisse.

[stuck bane]

please tell me you aren't talking about the 5e bugbear

[sand mica]

No, I'm talking about an arbitrary bugbear as in undefined concept.

[stuck bane]

ok, when he was listing off fantasy monsters, he didn't mean any of them actually looked like aromatisse, he literally talks about in the article of it not being based on anything, whatever that one dark fairy type from gen 8 probably did the idea better

[sand mica]

Now I'm reminded of that concept I formed from that D&D supplement where there was a Druid subclass about getting powers by being like a queen of a beehive. And that I came up with a skunk man getting the magical beehive because skunks love honey.

[stuck bane]

alright, let's look at all those points and compile them, it has weird ears, and its mask is also its nose, fae attempting to replace a human is fair since it does such a flawed job, we already talked about how fairy typing is a point in favor so no need to bring up again, but also its a rat? but also its beak looks like an eagles? and its ears are goblin ears and cat ears at the same time?

yeah I'm gonna stop it right there, this just seems to be a small echo chamber on the internet where people just talk about how the ugliest pokemon are actually the best because of personal perspectives, I don't think these opinions are shared by literally anyone else, especially not the spriters in this server who didnt vote for it

[stone cliff]

Damn it got kinda spicy round here

We could just be nice to each other

[stuck bane]

so about pokemon that bring the highest BSTs to the game

[finite needle]

That’s kinda boring

[stuck bane]

ok what do you wann talk about then

[finite needle]

Idk

[gray vine]

taking over the world

[stuck bane]

yeah but we gotta tie it into discussing new pokemon or this channel will be deleted

team rocket mons that aren't in the game yet?

[stone cliff]

Carnivine?

[glossy osprey]

carnivine coinosseur

[stuck bane]

ooo carnivine is good, lets see theres also seviper and chimecho too

[stone cliff]

Carnivine looks like an evo and I don't know why

[finite needle]

Idk here’s my unadded Mon tier list

[gray vine]

pick some

[finite needle]

Woobat and Carnivine are top 2

[stone cliff]

No weezing or arbok

[gray vine]

theer ya go

[stone cliff]

That's better

[gray vine]

i wouldnt count lickitounge as that was traded for wobuffet cant have both

[stuck bane]

yooo they had a frillish? and an amoongus? so not only can we argue that amoongus completes all poison types from unova, and frillish completes all ghost types from unova, but they're also team rocket reference mons! way better than I was expecting! and woobat too since it counters all the annoying poison types infested in kanto

[stone cliff]

I'm not the biggest fan of woobat tbh

[gray vine]

saldy black and white rocket had some of the least connection with there mons, tho journey was the worst as they only caught 1 pokemon during the whole anime which was morpeko

[stuck bane]

oh so thats why I don't remember them, still an argument to be made since apparently nobody watched the BW anime ever since they heard "10 year old ash ketchum", hit em with the old "well he's saying it so I'll assume its true"

[gray vine]

i mean hes always 10

[stone cliff]

Yeah, he wished to be when he saw Ho-oh

[gray vine]

most didnt like that ash went under a reset in the early parts of bw but he did regain his memories later on when N joined them on the journey

[stuck bane]

*he was 14 until BW, then he became 10 again in unova and people got outraged at the time

[gray vine]

nah he was alwaysw 10

i dunno where ya got 14 from

[stuck bane]

no I really swore he was like 11/12 in johto, 13 in hoenn, and 14 in sinnoh, I swear I heard that somewhere

[gray vine]

nope

[stuck bane]

huh, always 10 then, but then beginning of the BW anime when they actually announced 10 year old ash ketchum must've been what made people mad at the time, I personally didnt care much because BW was a soft reboot anyways

[gray vine]

despite the early memory loss ashs journey never was reset it always continued forward and he was still 10 when his last ever episode aired

[gray vine]

ye but that was just early BW later in BW he even brought back old mons to use

mostly charizard tho lul

ohhh right now i know what sucked about the BW anime

[stuck bane]

anyways, lets see, gourgeist is another good one, I'm so sorry to anyone who is a fan of jessie's dustox because thats gonna take 5 slots in the dex

[gray vine]

Wobbuffet wasnt in it

LUL

[finite needle]

Just forget that Cascoon and Silcoon exist and just add Wurmple, Beautifly and Dustox

[quasi cave]

T_T no Lycanroc fusions yet hopefully in the November pack

[stuck bane]

yeah, it was revealed november so none until january

[tranquil path]

U can add them to ur folder manually but yeah its a month before the pack does it for u

[solar arrow]

Wen new pokemon

[white meadow]

We just got some

[silk furnace]

Meloetta gets added kinda soon after that no-one really knows

[gray vine]

a bunch are already in right

[alpine rune]

Only meloetta isnt in

it was the latest one, separate from the rest

[gray vine]

and meloetta takes up 2 spots

[clever atlas]

Spots are a thing of the past

They don't matter anymore

They only mattered during the community vote

[solar arrow]

Sorry my bad, i mean wen new pokemon game

[sterile spoke]

There's almost no Samurott there. 😮

Plus the sprite's super big and looks awkward anatomically. 😦

I'd probably use Emboar as the 'base' and give it Samurott's weaponry, as well as Serperior's royal demeanour and tail. 🙂

[clever atlas]

I saw someone make a tierlist of mons they wanted in the future, so here's mine too

(and don't worry, salazzle and tsareena aren't numbers 1 and 2 for any particular reason)

[late torrent]

Mandibuzz?

[clever atlas]

Ew

[late torrent]

Ew?

[clever atlas]

Its ugly, it even has an ugly cry

Plus it's annoying af to fight against

[late torrent]

I think it’s pretty cool

[clever atlas]

Of course, im not saying you have to agree with me, you have your own views and i have mine

[late torrent]

Yeah I understand if you don’t like it i’ve just always been a fan of it but i like braviary more

[clever atlas]

Opinions are just that, opinions
Subjective

[late torrent]

Mhm

[late torrent]

Based Drampa placement

And do you have a link to that tier list?

[clever atlas]

The tierlist maker? Its in the pins, like 3rd from the bottom

[livid geyser]

mandibuzz has a silly cry i love it

[silent acorn]

Lilligant on light green I approv

[silent acorn]

I like mandibuzz for the fact is a girlboss bird, a floridian condor, it has a better typying than Braviary. And has a fun design

[clever atlas]

Yeah the light green was just like mons i also want in but not enough to get into the full green tier

[silent acorn]

To be fair Lilli is like the lighter alternative to Tsareena, Tsareena would be very nice, but I think it depends on demand. Lilli is a light choice being 2 spaces plus giving us excuses to use hisuian on fusions, Tsareena is just a solid 3 stage grass mon.

So it depends. I argue you could just vote 3 on both of them since in case one of them doesn't make it the other can.

I call it the backup strat, vote a 3 on another mon you think has potential like your main pick

[clever atlas]

Yeah thinking back, i should have downgraded tsareena

[silent acorn]

Well that's kinda the opposite of what I was intending lol

[pale flame]

We know what people will do with Tsareena

[clever atlas]

I mean i guess i understand you, but i just feel like i don't like tsareena enough to be top tier

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/whet-what-ew-can-you-not-stop-gif-16839190

[late torrent]

I’m actually surprised cryogonal is so high

[silent acorn]

It was to me but not anymore
We got regicone now

[brisk vessel]

Cryogonal has insane head game

[late torrent]

Yeah but it’s going to be a situation where the head gets most sprites and the body won’t

But other then that i actually like cryogonal

[silent acorn]

The thing is I said the other ice type should be a crystal body type, but I didn't expect the regis and since they got in we basically have the crystal body covered

[brisk vessel]

Tbf that already happened with a lot of mons that Did get in

[pale flame]

Naw, the people making Lopunny fusions do though

[late torrent]

Scrafty is also a cool pick

[pale flame]

I agree, I like Scrafty

[brisk vessel]

Pants

[clever atlas]

Scrafty is a cool dude
Plus it helps the type distribution

[stuck bane]

@sterile spoke message below it, right here

[brisk vessel]

I'm mostly indifferent towards scrafty but he's neat

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/lifes-too-short-winnie-the-pooh-pants-gif-4000773

[late torrent]

Sawsbuck is neat too

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/he-has-risen-happy-easter-gif-21022596

[brisk vessel]

The main ones I would be rooting for next time are probably Golisopod and Archeops tbh

[late torrent]

Same i love those two

[silent acorn]

Ah yes archeops the mon that for some reason became more important.

[late torrent]

But i also love so many others

[silent acorn]

Seriously that came out of left field, what's with the love for that one

[brisk vessel]

I've always supported Archeops

[stuck bane]

Archeops is cool, but it wouldn’t have been right to end the vote on it without carracosta

[silent acorn]

I Wonder what it ranked in the main poll

[brisk vessel]

He has a lot of potential both fusion wise and battle wise

[late torrent]

I used it on a two pokemon run in pokemon sword and then i guess i always appreciated it

[clever atlas]

The chance to get rid of defeatist

[silent acorn]

You speak the truth and everyone here knows it

[late torrent]

Yeah i also like carracosta

[brisk vessel]

Carracosta is neat

[silent acorn]

We aren't getting rid of it though... You are just changing the ability it holds

I do like carracosta for looking pretty slick for a rock type in armor

[brisk vessel]

Giving it a non-debilitating ability already makes it instantly high tier

And it has very solid colors and a good body base

I could see a lot of feathered dragon and dinosaur fusions coming from Archeops

[silent acorn]

Colors maybe if you like egg yellow, the body we got birdos by droves

[late torrent]

I hope zebstrika gets in as well

Always loved zebras

[brisk vessel]

None of them have wild dinosaur heads and tails though

[stuck bane]

Honestly as much as I hate to admit it the way that both the spriter vote and raffle vote ended were the best they could be, meloetta obviously for all the music fusions and quite frankly it just wouldn’t make sense to find a water or grass type in the secret garden, would’ve made Brock a cakewalk, so I guess rockruff was the right choice

[late torrent]

Really hoping for solgaleo and lunala to get in too

[brisk vessel]

I'm hoping for the XY legends

[late torrent]

Love em too

[brisk vessel]

I need my bacon bird

[late torrent]

Yvetal has never looked like a bird to me

[brisk vessel]

Yea that's fair people just call it that cuz it's based on the Quetzal

And also the bird that flies between the branches and the roots of Yggdrasil/Tree of Life/whatever the big mythology tree is

[late torrent]

I love when a pokemon is based on mythology or something

Like how the sinnoh trio is based on the world turtle, sun wukong and poseidon

[silent acorn]

Mythology>Fantasy>Hobby>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Job

[weak trellis]

iob was fine earlier but gens 8-9 oversaturated the market there

(and 5-7 to a lesser extent)

[silent acorn]

Nah only gen 8 sucks for what is basically pop references, meanwhile 9 is more inspired on cultural stuff

Gen 5 has Samurai, Sumo and... I have no idea what Serperior was supposed to be

Giving each starter a gimmick is fun

Thing is... In gen 3 only blaziken was based on a particular job, Swampert and Sceptile were more environmental which is actually underrated

[stuck bane]

I think they are each like commanders or something? Anyways Serperior does have hands and they’re behind its back like a regal pose

[silent acorn]

Oh so thats what it was

I only want to get to the next Gen to see what the next batch of starters is

[stuck bane]

That’s really all mainline Pokémon has going for it huh?

“We’re excited to announce that ILCA is now in control of all the games, now let’s see what they would’ve made the BW starters be instead! This is a full retcon!”

As a unova fan after seeing how they did bdsp I must prepare for the worst

[late torrent]

Let’s hope they will do unova justice

[stuck bane]

Hey we just got meloetta, and aren’t there 100 stories of how luck eventually ends? As far as I’m concerned that well ran dry when the digital dice rolled an 11

[prime dust]

we likely won't see anything pertaining to gen 10 til next year

the same also applies to the gen 5 remakes

[sterile spoke]

The rumour is that ILCA have been denied the ability to make another game because of BDSP's reception.

Not that that's relevant to this channel, but still. 😛

[brisk vessel]

Atleast BDSP is super moddable so that's already a huge upside for it

(Doesn't change the fact that besides like the music everything else about it is 🥹)

[white meadow]

if only the modern games were as good as their osts

[gray vine]

i suually play the games on mute

dont think i ever really listend to a pokemon song thing before

[rocky condor]

Wait is that real?

Thank god. Bdsp was a disaster 💀

like if the only good thing about your most anticipated remake is that it runs on unity, so it can be insanely moddable, i think you fucked up

[robust geyser]

BDSP isn't a remake, it's the same game with very few added

[prime dust]

i think even the fact it runs on unity is a fuck up

[prime dust]

no it is a remake...just a shit one

[robust geyser]

you know what they say, the worst pizza is a turd

[gray vine]

it also removes stuff from the og

[stuck bane]

Oh thank god I thought I heard they were still partnered with them

[gray vine]

why would i want my secret base to only be for trophies...let me actually decorate my rooooom

[gray vine]

https://tenor.com/view/rick-and-morty-puzzled-umm-uhh-speechless-gif-12582727

[rocky condor]

its more of a remaster if anything now that i think about it. And a bad one at that. I don't care what GF and TPC say

a remaster updates the graphics and does VERY minor tweaks

a remake redo's the gameplay and/or story drastically, as well as updating the graphics.

[gray vine]

i liked its style but overall it didnt do much else

[rocky condor]

The funniest part is that despite being the "remaster", it is literally the inferior game. Im not talking about platinum, i'm saying it's a WORSE diamond and pearl.

It has so many more glitches and keeps the old ones. Softlocks are something that should NOT be easy to do in pokemon. Hell, they shouldn't be a thing at all.

it doesn't do anything to fix what was wrong with diamond and pearl compared to platinum, it does nothing. It's genuinely one of the worst games tpc have put out from sheer laziness alone

[late torrent]

I wanted to like bdsp so badly but it’s the only newer pokemon game I haven’t really played and only got so far as the second gym and then i dropped it for months

I’ll eventually finish it but i’ll have to force myself to

[rocky condor]

Honestly i'd suggest just playing luminescent platinum. Or getting some of the mods that yisuno has made for it. Because they're actually really good.

Ironic how a smaller team than ILCA and GF can make a better gen 4 remake than the actual gen 4 remake that ilca made

[late torrent]

Fans know what people want more then the company

[weak trellis]

meanwhile I see it as how far pokemon has fallen since 2007 and it succeeded marvelously with that and nothing else

but yea official's cringe fans based

[rocky condor]

This is why pokemon fangames are almost always godly. Except for radical red. Fuck that fangame's cheating ass

like i'm always alright with hard as balls pokemon fangames, why else do i like pokemon reborn? But rad red's just too much. The ai literally cheats.

That's not fun or challenging, that's just horse shit

[weak trellis]

meanwhile I got to megas in like gym 3 and was like

https://tenor.com/view/done-im-done-finish-family-guy-peter-griffin-gif-15564927

[late torrent]

I haven’t played radical red so i wanna know how does the ai cheat?

[rocky condor]

So basically, you'll choose a move right? And then the ai chooses to do something that almost ALWAYS makes that move do less damage. The ai basically knows what you are going to do. It has forsight. So it can play around that, and fuck your shit up unfairly.

[weak trellis]

basically the AI choses its turn after yours with full knowledge

[rocky condor]

much better explanation, couldn't find the right words. Thanks

[weak trellis]

which gen 1 also does to an extent but that's one of the lesser issues of gen 1 ai rofl

[late torrent]

I’m going to try radical red out for myself and see exactly what you guys mean

[rocky condor]

DON'T 😭

You're gonna regret it

[weak trellis]

I would snark about playing vega instead but ive been too spoiled by viva las vega

[sterile verge]

If you want a good, challenging experience, play Pokemon Insurgeance

That shit slaps

[weak trellis]

so the 151 dex in base vega feels constricting even in a fanmon region

also throwing out recs to both alte red and altered emerald if you want something on the goofier side of challenging

[rocky condor]

This. And if you want a fucking batshit insane experience, play pokemon empyrean. It's really fun. Also get the edge of eternity mod in stochastic's discord server if you want things to get even more nutty. Empyrean and edge of eternity are fun as shit.

[weak trellis]

shoutouts to delcatty with 100/100/120 offenses (though zoroark level bulk) and normalize volt switch on the latter rofl

[rocky condor]

Edge of eternity is so batshit you have no idea. All i'm gonna say is the tower of babel. Fear it.

[weak trellis]

lol I shall not inquire further

[sterile verge]

Let me tell you (Spoilers for Legends Arceus) ||Volo saying that he'll be back after we defeat him basically confirming we'll get a new Legends game made me so happy|| so we have a way higher chance of getting that instead of some Black/White remaster

[rocky condor]

God legends was a fun game. It's SUPER clear that the bigger team worked on this and the smaller team worked on scarlet and violet.

Though as much as i love legends, i've gotta ask now. Why tf did they make the bigger team work on the side game, and the smaller team work on the mainline gen 9 game?

[gray vine]

i mean legends was way more experimental

[weak trellis]

one was what they wanted to do
one was what they were forced to do

[gray vine]

and needed way more workers

[weak trellis]

same situation with Lets Go and gen 8 for me

[gray vine]

getting all the legendaries in legends was super fun and having them stand next to you very cool

[sterile verge]

+Legends being a side game meant it wasn't beholden to the same ~3year bs main line titles are forced to be completed in

[gray vine]

never got arceus tho cause i was too lazy to do the dex

[rocky condor]

Yeah they really do. But gamefreak just refuses to hire more apparently. And i don't know why. Like it's actively hurting you to work in such short time constraints with so little workers. Why not hire more talented people? If tpc's not gonna give a better time to develop the game, then more employees should also work. If we could get both then that'd be amazing, but either work.

[sterile verge]

Never got the game because I'm a brok a** boy 🥲

[gray vine]

be not

[sterile verge]

Had to borrow my friends copy

[rocky condor]

Remember, it's always morally ok to pirate nintendo games

[weak trellis]

I made the mistake of getting BDSP and skipping legends though I doubt legends would be my cup of tea anyway

since I tend to focus more on battling than collection

[gray vine]

never died in legends tho and tbh i have no clue what people where memeing about, paras and shit was really not that annoying nor hard to deal with

[rocky condor]

Think monster hunter but pokemon. That's legends basically.

[weak trellis]

I did get bloodstained ritual of the night instead though which I enjoyed despite playing the worst non-mobile version of it

[rocky condor]

I should really play monster hunter some time btw. It looks fun as hell

[weak trellis]

there's like three places frustrated pokemon fans go for their new fandom

monster hunter, SMT/Persona, and fire emblem

[gray vine]

kinda funny that legends has the hardest battle then

[sterile verge]

Mhr is just pokemon without the pokeballs

[gray vine]

volo took me 3 tries to beat

[late torrent]

I have 3 pokemon already

[rocky condor]

I may have lost all faith in mainline pokemon, but i'm not desperate enough to go to fire emblem

[weak trellis]

those who like the mon designs/catches go to MH, gameplay/battles go to SMT, and human characters/"plot" go to FE

[wanton cliff]

People who hate themselves got to persona specifically

As a persona fan I can say that I hate most of the games

[weak trellis]

one thing that remains a constant between the two (and FE as well lol)

[wanton cliff]

I would say it's more as a persona fan

People who dont hate the games should be put on a watchlist

[rocky condor]

Same thing with pokemon. If you don't hate sword and shield, BDSP, or scarlet and violet, i will swat you (JOKE JOKE JO-)

[wanton cliff]

I sont hate s/v, they are the most fun I've had on pokemon since gen 5

[rocky condor]

I just can't get past the glitches. It's so unessecarily buggy. I was trying to catch a pokemon, i got a glitch that seemed to try and reload the entire map while the pokeball was thrown, the game crashed, and i lost my entire save.

[late torrent]

I love persona 4 and 5

[wanton cliff]

The only one I unironically enjoy is persona 3

[late torrent]

I’m waiting for the remake to release as i play on ps4

[wanton cliff]

Really excited for reload

[rocky condor]

i was far in the game too if i remember correctly. I had sandy shocks or whatever it was called.

I almost gave up but then i decided to maybe try a nuzlocke so i could stave off the boredom, but then i noticed they just outright got rid of set mode. Idk why but THAT was my breaking point and i never touched the game again. Nor am i ever GOING to touch it again.

[late torrent]

Is MH monster hunter?

[late torrent]

I never got any game crashing glitches but i know there were a lot

[wanton cliff]

Same, that probably helped my enjoyment

[late torrent]

The story was pretty good for me. Although the team star one could’ve been a bit better imo

[rocky condor]

My entire save file corrupted over catching a fucking pokemon 😔

i miss my skeledirge man

[late torrent]

Rip skeledirge

My team was skeledirge, tinkaton, ceruledge, eelektross and that’s all i remember

[rocky condor]

Rest in peace the only good gen 9 starter (don't @me)

[hollow quest]

no you're kinda right

but still wrong

[late torrent]

I liked all three but i understand your opinion

[rocky condor]

Their design feels like what a pokemon should be. A pocket MONSTER. Its design reminds me of gen 1 design philosophy. And i like that.

[wanton cliff]

Most Gen 1 designs were just animals

Gen 5 was the best for pokemon designs

[late torrent]

Magnemite is a funny looking animal

[hollow quest]

the biped debate is also pretty silly but i'm not gonna get into it. all three starters are very usable and strong, and i think that's also important

[rocky condor]

Designed like monsters. Pocket monsters.

[wanton cliff]

Not really alot of the time,

[late torrent]

Gen 9 had the weirdest batch of pokemon imo. I dont hate them they’re just different then what i expected

[wanton cliff]

Gen 2 has the weakest for me

[rocky condor]

It's less so that they're bipedal, and more so that most modern bipedal designs look more like anthro furries you'd see on furaffinity than actual pokemon. Like look at lucario and zoroark. They're badass as hell, and they actually look like pokemon. Less like mascot costumes.

[wanton cliff]

Alot of them are forgettable

[rocky condor]

Typhlosion's still the GOAT though. You can't lie about that.

[wanton cliff]

I prefer serperior

[late torrent]

I prefer Decidueye

My favorite grass starter of all time

[azure pelican]

L + Weakness + no legs

[late torrent]

Serperior is my second

[azure pelican]

Jokes aside i love serperior design its just too elegant

[rocky condor]

Grovyle for me. Totally not because of any outside factors. Yep, totally not because of a great pokemon side game with a surprisingly robust romhacking community. Why would you ever say such a thing

[wanton cliff]

Gen 5 was the beat tho

[hollow quest]

i mean i'd say a mon like meowscarada still looks pretty cool and maybe even badass in a way, but to each their own

also just because it had meganium does not make it the weakest batch. typhlosion does carry that gen, but i find it a better carry then half the stuff in 4-5

[rocky condor]

You dissing meganium?

[hollow quest]

but i will write a disclaimer that my disliking of those gens' starters stems a lot from emboar and the overall design ideology of those gens

[hollow quest]

nope, i'm saying it's dumb to hate a starter set for that reason solely

[wanton cliff]

Like scolipede looks like a centipede, but its distinct enough to be interesting

[late torrent]

I like meowscarada’s design

[azure pelican]

sceptile design is the best of all starters tbh

[wanton cliff]

It's a bit overrated

[azure pelican]

og and cool

[late torrent]

emboar is my second fav out of that trio

[hollow quest]

samurott is cool i guess

[azure pelican]

samurott is good if you ignore that its bad

[hollow quest]

but it was just made better in hisui so

[wanton cliff]

Musharna is underrated

[late torrent]

Gen 3 is the only generation where all starters are my favorites

[hollow quest]

serperior is alright, but the rest i don't care for or don't like

[wanton cliff]

Also I'm just saying that gen 2 had the worst pokemon in general

Worat starters go to gen 6, there is only one that I like

[late torrent]

Lemme guess… Greninja?

[hollow quest]

well, yes, i would agree it had the worst new roster of pokemon, but i don't agree in it having the worst starters set. i would argue 4,5, or 8 could take that title

[rocky condor]

I really think that sceptile is a bit of a step down from grovyle. It lost the cool factor in my eyes. Explorers of sky bias aside, grovyle's just a cool design. And i feel sceptile's really not as cool. The fusion between the two feels like a much more natural evolution. Best parts of grovyle, and best parts of sceptile.

[gray vine]

i agree

it doesnt feel like its "finished" it still feels like the middle evo

[azure pelican]

fr

gen 1

[hollow quest]

i like the whole line, it might be my favorite grass starter. only other possibility is alolan decidueye