pif-hoenn-discussion

[glass patio]

minior funeral when

[violet pawn]

hello guys whats up guys hows it going guys i hope slurpuff wins

[inland jewel]

you can move the corsolas early

[cobalt nebula]

Yeah, rip

[lofty spindle]

Is that in fact the reality?

[tame flax]

I mean it's not that hard to get a mareanie doll

Just get a wailord, doesn't matter if you're in post game, a Kanto badge gives dive ability

[prime dust]

except that doll doesn't exist anymore as of 6.0

[stoic canopy]

Yea the gym leader girl is supposed to just give you a mareanie now.

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/squad-coffin-dance-gif-21209582

u can never be to late for this dance

[lofty spindle]

Yeah hence why I wonder what happens if you bring one early.

[vague fog]

Any idea when the raffle thing is happening?

[white meadow]

Koffigrigus

[proud lion]

Sometime this weekend

[finite thistle]

The coffin being a Koffing is giving me far too many chuckles

[white meadow]

you mean too many shuckles?

ok that was so bad imma just leave

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/archen-pokemon-goofy-goober-silly-intense-gif-8165086753498951633

Y does Archen bully him
He is cool

[stray fossil]

Fake squirtle that’s why

[white meadow]

Better squirtle

[pale crescent]

Isn't it technology a pre squirlte

[hushed mantle]

He owes them 5 dollar

[cinder oasis]

Technically

[silent acorn]

He is better squirtle

Atleast my guy can punish better than blastoise can

To be honest I hope archen doesn't get in, because as much as I love carracosta, I don't think we need more fossils

Like I don't know how you put archen and defeatist together in a positive sentence. In fact Archen has always been one of those mons with an unnecessary nerf

[silent acorn]

Yep, that's more accurate

Shaymin can move to eh though

[golden acorn]

Mostly agree. Except on the fossil bird. It can go straight up in "right now"

[silent acorn]

Yeah I don't see it

[dry nest]

correct

[silent acorn]

For real do share what's so "right now" about it?

[dry nest]

https://tenor.com/view/archen-pokemon-goofy-goober-silly-just-like-me-fr-gif-478674937810798419

[dry nest]

cuz its cool duh

[silent acorn]

For goobers we have slurpuff

[golden acorn]

It has some really nice stats and moves. Just a Shitty ability

[silent acorn]

Really isn't obvious

[golden acorn]

Also it has potential for some feral af fusions. Just like Tyrantrum

[dry nest]

i will be a pillar for the archen team family if it gets in

[silent acorn]

If it doesn't will you eat lemon without peeling it?

Yeah I approve of sugary dog this time, compared to a lot of the stuff is decent

[dry nest]

i will be happy nonetheless as long as we dont get 1,2,12

https://tenor.com/view/james-team-rocket-pokemon-kojiro-team-rocket-chimeco-gif-25090356

[silent acorn]

12 is bad. 1 was picked by notto. Who makes awesome stuff so he knows what he is picking. Can't say much for the planets

[dry nest]

still think fossil bird are better

there is a reason why he was picked by two seperate people

[cinder oasis]

Archeops the goat

[dry nest]

https://tenor.com/view/archen-raptor-bird-dinosaur-fossil-gif-15874819717918534841

[cinder oasis]

I hope 4 and 6 don't get chosen

[dry nest]

likewise i would be happy if they were

[golden acorn]

Meloetta, Shaymin and Primarene are my "eh" picks. Really don't need more limited legendaries or solo starters

[golden acorn]

And I fear what degenerate stuff people will create with Meloetta. Gardevoir 2.0 lol

[silent acorn]

Actually he was picked by the same person twice

[hollow quest]

it's two feet tall, give it a break

[silent acorn]

Archeops is Aerodactyl 2.0 by that logic

Also Jesus let mons be mons without putting them together with gardevoir

[hollow quest]

most i expect is some miku

[marble meadow]

idk but some candy or music themed fusion would be acually be cool

[white meadow]

It was the same guy who picked it

[silk narwhal]

Nothing to be scared of

[golden acorn]

By Arceus, I hope you are right. I just fear some people will jump to meloetta, as gardevoir has most fusions done. And other female-like mons are not in the game.

[white meadow]

Rick I got a idea for a reference sprite for Necrozma
Maybe you wanna do it?

[hollow quest]

jumpin to the worst is not a healthy mindset

[golden acorn]

Of course, I'm overexaggerating a bit lol. But there are much better and cooler mons imo. Melo just invites a lot of trouble too

[white meadow]

Necrozma/Scoli alt being a Abstraction from TADC

[mystic rivet]

Unown/scol might suit it better

[finite thistle]

Would love to see Meloetta, Shaymin and Slurpuff and Primarina could do some cool things with its Hidden Ability. Archeops has potential, but the others are very eh. Chimecho is definitely one of the least interesting bad Pokemon out there. I'd much prefer Cherrim or Castform

[hollow quest]

nobody seein anythin with xurkitree surprises me

[empty pendant]

ooh

[mystic rivet]

No pant mantis. u_u

[empty pendant]

also I'd love to make wild xurkitree fusions

[finite thistle]

It is special Ramparados with Tail Glow, but it is a bit disapointing as the first Ultra Beast given how wild some of them are.

[hollow quest]

although admittedly it's more for head fusions than body fusions, but so are many mons

idk, xurkitree is rather wild, giant wire monster with a spiky bulb head and lit up zip ties

[mystic rivet]

Not my first choice as UB ambassador but eh

[empty pendant]

ok but it's one of my fave UBs--stakataka would've been my first pick but I love terrible cable management 'mon

[mystic rivet]

There's a couple interesting ones if you just Google "xurkitree fusion" but really not much

[hollow quest]

yeah but basin the entire idea on a google search is weird to me. give all these spriters the mon and the ideas would flow better

[finite thistle]

I'd take Pheramosa, Buzzwole, Nihilego and especially Kartana or Guzzlord over it

[hollow quest]

but personally i'm not directly rootin for it despite loving it. i'd rather see it with all its bros, same deal with primarina

[empty pendant]

it'd also be really funny to do xurk body fusions with like a head with wire tentacles

[hollow quest]

for this raffle, i want meloetta the most

[mystic rivet]

We also have plenty of legendaries so my main pick of those 11 is baltoy and claydol

[hollow quest]

"plenty of legendaries"

it's mythical and we have like no mon to fill its theme niche

[finite thistle]

I can never get enough Serene Grace in my life. I need to annoy more NPCs

[hollow creek]

Raffle tomorrow?

[empty pendant]

baltoy and claydol??? man my top want out of this set'd be eelektross

I'd also really like primarina or xurk even though it's a slight shame to have them come alone

[hollow quest]

eelektross loses most its appeal to me in fusions, because its gimmick relies on it being only electric type

[hollow creek]

Elektross gang stay winning

[empty pendant]

ok but it's a really cool lamprey

also steel/electric fusions with levitate would kinda slap

[hollow creek]

The only ones I don’t like are Shaymin and slurpuff

[hollow quest]

i guess? personally it never felt like fusion material in sprites either, at least to me

if i don't choose meloetta, primarina or xurkitree, i'd choose slurpuff for all the candy and sweets fusions, since we can't get alcremie anytime soon

it's another case of fillin a neat, creative niche, like meloetta

[finite thistle]

Slurpuff is great, really cute design, plus a ton of really unique strategic uses with stuff like Belly Drum, Unburden and Sticky Web. Man just needs better stats and he'd go ham

[hollow quest]

considering people seem to care more about sprites than stats in general, it's more valuable to care about looks and sprite potential at the end of the day

stat advantages or abilities are just bonus reasons half the time

[finite thistle]

Eh, I'm more of a mechanical person myself. Always been more about Function than form for me, definitely evident by the Pyukumuku run I'm doing. I do appreciate a good design, but I'd go with interesting strategy over it any day

[hollow quest]

i care about both, but as i mentioned, the general idea is more leaning towards looks

for example, xurkitree has a ridiculous sp atk, beast boost for plenty more mons, tail glow, etc, but i also see the potential in light fusion/christmas light fusions, wire monsters and more

[hollow creek]

Mechanically I think xurk would be most interesting just because of beast boost tomfoolery

It’d probably be banned to Ubers on release on showdown though

[cinder oasis]

Electric is a great typing

[cinder oasis]

It's not just maybe ubers, it will be ubers

Electric type is an amazing typing and considering that xurkitree has 173 sp. Atk it would be crazy

Also that's it's not that slow so you can pair with a fast Mon to make it pretty fast

It also gets tail glow if that's allowed

[ivory rune]

And hey, adding electric+levitate to a pokemon is purely positive

[marble meadow]

things getting intersting i just want something who has good fusion or ref potential or an ongoing theme like crismas food music

[silent acorn]

Obligatory comment in support of Eelektross

[marble meadow]

oh and horror

[cinder oasis]

Pairing Alakazam and Xurkitree would be horrifying

Xurkitree and Froslass would be so sigma

[marble meadow]

im just glad my fav dou type of dark ghost is in sableye i like its gem and tresure themed fusions

[ebon grotto]

Marshadow and Zeraora

[hollow creek]

I forgot tail glow was even a thing yeah definitely straight to Ubers

[gray vine]

Xurkitree would go hard for December

Especially since Trevenant is now in

Christmas Tree

[marble meadow]

but for now i like that the gem gremlin is in

cant wait to se a pmd ref with dusknoir and sableye

[hollow quest]

now that i think about it, tail glow on xurkitree is terrifying

173 base sp. atk + 150% boost in a single move

and then beast boost to go even further

[hollow creek]

Now imagine that with simple

That’s 999 special attack in 1 turn

[glossy osprey]

even further beyond, super saiyan 3 xurkitree

[wanton coral]

Yeah too bad it's slow and has crappy coverage

And electric has a common immunity

[wanton coral]

Huh? It doesn't just like stop at 999

[cedar merlin]

have they announced a date and time for the raffle pick yet?

[silent acorn]

Nope

[inland jewel]

I’m here for Chinecho

[silent acorn]

Chinecho? Yeah I like it

[hollow creek]

Maybe tomorrow, maybe the day after, definitely in that time span though

[inland jewel]

Most likely tomorrow

[mystic rivet]

Hopefully tomorrow just to give spriters as much time as possible before this next sprite pack.

[hollow creek]

Telling myself it’s going to be Shaymin so I don’t jinx myself

[gusty sequoia]

Then eel gets in or we riot

[faint crypt]

still so happy the regis are here

[faint crypt]

YES

[cedar merlin]

it might even be the day after that!

[faint crypt]

my favorite legendary group by far

[gilded star]

i wish cool dino was catchable

[hollow creek]

Probably

[wintry vapor]

That's crazy

Greninja please

[mystic rivet]

regiregi may as well be made of tissue paper

[proud lion]

Not this time unfortunately. Maybe in a few months or a year.

[wintry vapor]

😦

[alpine rune]

Regiregiregiregi would be funny tho

first ever quad fusion, dies to a low kick from machop

[faint crypt]

a lv 1 machop low kick

[brisk vessel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/260170566529449994/1177791581105954886/2oeszzO8WdoRQw_i.mp4?ex=6573cae3&is=656155e3&hm=f7a241147d8aca504d8f11e7dd1d73841a5ae17266dbc4952756c36779392725&

[mystic rivet]

though i'm reminded of the champion battle of the rom rack with "too many types" where with the right pokemon getting hit by like a x32 effective move or something, the damage can't actually go that high and it loops back to 1 single damage lmao

similar to regieleki being able to outpace trick room by being too fast

btw if anyone is curious for regiregi's type effectiveness:
||immunity x1
0.25 x3
0.5 x4
1 x5
2 x3
4 x1
8 x1||

tbh it does have a fair bit of resistence, but its weaknesses are such common types

[brisk vessel]

A Mon with 80/200/200 bulk needs to be balanced somehow

[ruby linden]

So, I'm not the most creative type, so I figured I'd ask the group: what's a good fusion for Slaking?

[mystic rivet]

most things since you can get rid of truant

[proud lion]

Bibarel with Simple?

[mystic rivet]

klutz is better than normal slaking

[ruby linden]

Eh, I needed a water type, so I fused him with Totodile

should be pretty hardcore when it evolves

[weak trellis]

slaking is about on par with a box legendary when it doesn't have truant lol

[brisk vessel]

Bro is faster and hits harder than The Lord of Land

His ass is just too lazy to do anything with it ‼️

[remote ibex]

regibaloone

[bitter comet]

What is that?

[brisk vessel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1146635653984034836/1177613290160009216/TwitVd.com_1700792921.mp4?ex=657324d7&is=6560afd7&hm=afcd4cc23f56d8d90bb481850beb743d60dc18a21e727a878613922f3b80a625&

[grizzled cradle]

buizel regice lookin fire

[arctic glacier]

Missing Golisopod and Bruxish

[bitter comet]

I agree with you on the first Mon you mentioned

[prisma willow]

Gengar

[woeful nebula]

regithingamabob

[topaz kernel]

This happened yet?

I rlly want archen

[late torrent]

I wish more then one line could be added

[long wasp]

it'll look good with hydregon at least..

[topaz kernel]

Archeops is my favorite pokemon and it's material

I could imagine a cool sceptile

And archen/togepi

[obsidian hare]

fr dude archeops got some banging potential

[long wasp]

still i hope they add meloetta soon

want to see how beautiful it looks when fused with my gardevoir

[pure pewter]

It's a raffle. It's entirely random what we get

[mystic rivet]

if it's a legendary we might have to wait a bit longer for it depending on how they want us to get it.

[empty leaf]

Just keep an eye on #announcements

That's when we'll find out.

[remote ibex]

why are there two archeops

[clever atlas]

One person won two contests so their pick got double value

[pure pewter]

Oh, I thought it was two different people voted for the same one

[chrome maple]

I really want to save them from their Abilities

[topaz kernel]

Good point huge power archeops

[chrome maple]

Also we need another fast rock type

[topaz kernel]

Yeah

[white meadow]

I want the reveal so much XD

[craggy lynx]

praying for Eelektross
But i also expect Eelektross to not win.

[round gale]

Hyped for potential dessert fusions

[white meadow]

I mean he has a 1/12 chance

Aka 8.333~ %

[craggy lynx]

still very likely to lose

[lethal reef]

As long as we got something other than slurpuff I'm happy 😤 archen would be cool and hopefully would end up getting the turtle later too!

[native nebula]

Turtle

[glass patio]

how am i supposed to be hyped for any of these

[native nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/pokmon-kill-me-im-out-gif-18142494

[glass patio]

sorry to people that like them

[hollow quest]

your loss

[surreal chasm]

I'm really hoping for Slurpuff
I don't like it as a pokemon but the dessert fusions would be amazing

Miltank walked so Slurpuff could run

[glass patio]

hmmm
i mean ig ure right
didn’t think about it like that

[hollow quest]

primarina (and especially meloetta) would have great music fusion potential

slurpuff would have candy/sweets potential

xurkitree would have great potential for things like wire monsters and christmas lights

[white meadow]

Most of them are great why not being hyped

[hollow quest]

archeops and shaymin i would be ok with

the rest i don't really care for or like

[glass patio]

idk
just depression because none of the pokemon we’ve gotten r ones that i really like
except stufful cause funni plushes

[hollow quest]

well unfortunately life isn't fair

[surreal chasm]

Here are my most wanted to least wanted:
Slurpuff>Eelektross>Torkoal>Xurkitree>Archeops>Meloetta>Shaymin>Claydol>Chimecho>Solrock & Lunatone>Primarina

[sullen elbow]

What mons do you like?

[hollow quest]

learn to take some losses, you won't always get what you want

[glass patio]

and i mean ive seen awesome fusions with other ones of the pokemon ngl

[white meadow]

Sad to hear
But we cant change it everyone has a diffrent taste in Pokemon

[glass patio]

i mean tbf the only thing that i wanted is minior and no one cares bout it soooo yea idk

[surreal chasm]

Primarina would've been higher but it'd be weird to have one alola starter but not the others

[hollow quest]

minior was cool until people pushed it WAY too hard

[glass patio]

wdym?

[hollow quest]

felt like someone mentioned it or sent propaganda every minute

if you know anything about how hobbies or propaganda work, pushing something too hard can actually have an inverse effect of making people dislike it

[glass patio]

i guess

meh idk ignore me i just say too much dumb stuff

[hollow quest]

so you apply that logic to primarina but not xurkitree?

[surreal chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/phineas-and-ferb-yes-yes-i-am-construction-worker-gif-6121266

[hollow quest]

don't get me wrong, xurkitree is my favorite UB, but it'd be nicer to see it have all its alien bros

[white meadow]

Better than none i guess

[wintry imp]

Minior got shafted

[hollow quest]

i'd be willing to wait for a special event. they know people want the UBs as much as starters and legendaries. it'd be incredible for a special event

[surreal chasm]

It's fine to have one UB to represent all of them but adding primarina but not any other gen 5-7 starter is a little odd

[white meadow]

Since there's no hope for golisopod anymore, i'm now rooting for xurkitree

[glass patio]

meh ig xurkitree is cool

[hollow quest]

like have an ultra wormhole open, then all the UBs would be encounterable throughout the region

[glass patio]

funny tree

[hollow quest]

bonus to include the cosmog line and its legendaries, since people were also upset that there was no lunala/solgaleo with necrozma

[white meadow]

ADD MARSHADOW

[glass patio]

never really cared bout the ultra beasts tho
but xurkitree funni
huh now i want it

[hollow quest]

well sorry but many people do care about them

[gray vine]

I like some and some are eh

[glass patio]

everyone thinks differently

[fresh salmon]

Shaymin, Meloetta and Eelektross had voting campaigns back in the poll days

[white meadow]

Blacepholon is probably one of the best UBs to add

[glass patio]

nah nah im thinking differently now

[hollow quest]

it does have funny head explode move

[glass patio]

hmm never took time to look at ubs
they just looked weird

[hollow quest]

and its design is wild

[white meadow]

Like I love what I found by just googling

[fresh salmon]

I mean, some inclusions are mid like Solrock and Chimecho

[gray vine]

Guzzlord is best UB

[fresh salmon]

Oh god not the Leavanny/Blacephalon looking like

[glass patio]

wait whae

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokémon-blacephalon-jester-michael-jackson-gif-320684585084909410

[glass patio]

exploding head? 🤯

[gray vine]

Best head

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokémon-blacephalon-jester-mind-blown-gif-17622736769574652112

[glass patio]

Ohhh it’s like fireworks that’s cool

[gray vine]

I wants him

[atomic sinew]

im just hopin for shaymin lol

[hollow quest]

guzzlord is fine. it looks intimidating and is huge. but ultimately it's just a somewhat better blissey to me and that's not my ideal mon, so i personally do not prefer it as much

[gray vine]

I care for design lul

[white meadow]

I prever designe possibilitys and sadly guzlord is basically Wailords head

[gray vine]

I never cared for strategy it's not really needed

[hollow quest]

i have seen some guzzlord fusions, and most of them are just one mon but big and goofier

[white meadow]

Lol found him in Spritework

[glass patio]

hmm like what ubs r there
jellyfish
buff bug
uhhhh like a uhhhh woman bug?
tree
***is that like a big steel woman or something ***
small uhhh thing it looks small
big mouth
small poison thing
big poison thing
rocks?
and finally there’s 🤯

great descriptions of ubs

[hollow quest]

pheromosa is just a queen bug

[white meadow]

You forgot Trumps Favorite mon
Or was that rocks?

[glass patio]

what
i dunno

[hollow quest]

https://tenor.com/view/ultra-space-pheromosa-pokemon-queen-beast-gif-13973901

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/stakataka-sus-funny-one-gif-27093456

[glass patio]

yea that’s rocks

[empty pendant]

Stakataka is the best UB

[sullen elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/stakataka-gif-7485111362048323602

[glass patio]

meh ima make one my favorite
xurkitree is funny tree so that

[hollow quest]

it's the worst to me i think, but i don't like defensive mons

[glass patio]

https://tenor.com/view/stakataka-only-gif-on-tenor-gif-488541840801075818

[empty pendant]

I'm biased in part because of a Stakataka character from a tabletop RP I was in once

[glass patio]

also blacephalon funny exploding head
wait ultimate explosion fusion blacephalon electrode

[empty pendant]

The GM had a semi-antagonist Stakataka named Fuidi who was one of the most interesting entities ever

[hollow quest]

it's basically just fire head smash. good with rock head

[white meadow]

U Necrozma/blacepholon goes Supernova

[glass patio]

https://tenor.com/view/stakataka-funny-sus-two-gif-15643120895231733942

[glass patio]

oh forgor bout necrozma yea necrozma is cool cause it’s like closest thing we have to megas or something

how could i forget wtf i made two necrozma sprites

[lofty spindle]

The best part is the third thing is a point against it, as including it would mean no longer getting move expert access to the move.

[glass patio]

youre obsessed with move expert

[hollow quest]

i mean in fairness if i could legally get spectral thief on more mons i'd want to keep it that way

[crisp prawn]

I need archeops announced, please. I need to make cool things.

I don't care if mods are busy and have a life. I don't, so I need announcment.

[hollow quest]

that one sentence makes you sound like a terrible person

[crisp prawn]

Sorry, I am completely joking haha. I can wait for as long as is needed.

[sullen elbow]

You can smell the sarcasam on that sentence even without the tone indicator though

[prime dust]

neat, so that's...carry the 2, minus expendature for being a spriter...1,000 years in the shadow realm

[hollow quest]

not with newer people i cannot. some people genuinely think like that nowadays

[crisp prawn]

Nah I completely get it, I have a bad habit of joking around and not making it very clear. I always wonder what I must look like to folks who don't know me lol.

[silent acorn]

How not to, he is not the only one who thinks it could be different and nothing would be lost

[silent acorn]

Yeah it's fun using the move roster to its full potential, like no exclusivity, just general use for everyone

[glass patio]

i dont care ngl

[hollow quest]

i believe kuray's mod is workin on the move expert stuff if it's a concern for you

[silent acorn]

If you don't then don't oppose it. Opposing it's the Same as caring

[hollow quest]

i saw you in that server ocxin so i assume you're aware

[glass patio]

meh ig

[sterile flicker]

Is that supposed to be a bad thing?

[glass patio]

k sorry to y’all for offending your guy that gives epic moves to pokemon wow

[silent acorn]

Oxcin made a petition that had close 80 people backing it up to just leave the move expert alone with the distribution that we had.

[hollow quest]

also if you're savvy enough, you could probably just mod it yourself

but i understand most people are not

[silent acorn]

Actually oxcin is trying to do that, but he apparently needs permission to use certain files to be able to make the mod itself

[hollow quest]

isn't it all open source?

[prime dust]

my tech skills kind of stop at things like changing out parts in my pc and updating programs

[silent acorn]

Like I would be down with the mod, if it means having the option

[prime dust]

far as i know the code is open source [its somewhere on the discord]

or it used to be anyway...maybe that got changed

[silent acorn]

Not all of it unfortunately, there are files within the IF thing that are needed for it. I don't remember what oxcin said it was

[hollow quest]

hm, well i'll just wait to see what happens with kuray. i'm glad to see that toad allows secondary mods at least

[silent acorn]

I am down with mods, I mean we can change Sprites on the go, I think just changing what settings you want is fun

[cobalt nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/onemoreday-lesmis-lesmiserables-gif-5021437

[prime dust]

today probably is the storm

[woven maple]

So was there any news on when the raffle drawing would be?

[silent acorn]

It is raining where I am with preemptive Storm Warning LESSSSSSS GOOOOOOO

[silent acorn]

Nope at all

[prime dust]

Soon™️

[short garden]

ahh i remember the old days

they'd do reveals on saturdays most of the time

so it's prob today

[glass patio]

💀

[inland jewel]

if we get xurkitree ima make a fates reference with Blasted Tree

[prime dust]

https://tenor.com/view/people-die-if-they-are-gif-20318194

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/shredding-bones-skull-meme-gif-26125095

[glass patio]

Man im dead

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-fire-on-burn-it-gif-24814699

Now your shedinja Plushie is dead

[glass patio]

f

[split solstice]

Bronzong is not in the game right?

Would make some kickass fusions

[silent acorn]

Nope gotta try next time, for now... Shaymin has to get in so everyone suffers

[prime dust]

i won't suffer

i'm fine with shaymin being in...the only one on the list i'd rather they wait on is poplio line

[round gale]

Pokemon Sweet version shows what some Slurpuff fusions could be like

[prime dust]

a lot of those would be alts

[split solstice]

Damn. Bronzong/Electivire fusion would be the best too

[silent acorn]

I know, I would like bronzong but sadly not this time

[silent acorn]

Huh which of the sweet versions is this?

[split solstice]

Yeah, I guess Magnezone/Weezing is good for now

[split solstice]

Sweet 2th?

[round gale]

I went on the wiki and just scrolled through different mons so not sure which ones come from which versions. Tbf I didn't know there were different versions of the game.

[silent acorn]

Let me see I only knew there was one for the GBA gens I didn't know they made for gen 4

[lethal reef]

My hopes for the win are torkoal/solrock&lunatone/chimeco/baltoy because they'd all be fun as fuck to fuse, and then mid tier hopes are eelektross, archeops and shaymin
Not quite yet tier is popplio/xurkitree/meloetta because I'd rather have the whole sets, or it's just not super interesting fusion material (meloetta)
And 'would be disappointed if it won' tier is slurpluff

I REALLY want to see how hard it would be to fuse whirlipede with lunatone!

I feel chimeco/chingling would cover a lot of the sound/music element that meloetta covers as well, but I'm sure there's plenty of potential with meloetta fusions so I'd be interested to see what people made if it gets in!

[silent acorn]

Hmmm...... Jjjhsk2ywmbwiwz8fbw

Meloetta is a top tier but aside form that I approve

Ultimate sweet

[hollow creek]

I don’t mind slurpuff that much but swirlix is legit just fluffy voltorb with a tail

[lethal reef]

For me meloetta falls under the too similar category, since we already have a couple of humanoid Pokemon. BUT it's not bad and I know would have some good fusions

Would definitely have a lot of furry fusions from meloetta tho LMAO

[lethal reef]

LOL for me it's the other way round! Don't mind swirlix, but slurpluff is just a wobbly dog. We have that at home with growlithe and rockruff fusions 😂

[silent acorn]

None of them look remotely similar to Meloetta.

[silent acorn]

We are more likely to get that out of Shaymin in fact

[lofty spindle]

I actually haven't mentioned it in days.

[silent acorn]

Hmmmm yes

[lofty spindle]

Also, I will not try to mod the game anymore.
I have not found any decent avenues to actually do so, even after longer exploration of my options.

[silent acorn]

Aw man, that's a shame

[lofty spindle]

Yeah, the files are not openly avaiable, so only way ro do it would be as part of another mod, which means having to attach it to other features.
While these are all good features, I do not wish to loose my independence.

[hollow creek]

I like shaymin hedgehog but the fox is kinda lame

[silent acorn]

I see thats understandle, not wanting to combine too many things for no reason

[white meadow]

first thing i see after coming back here and what the actual fuck did i miss

also is that even allowed?

[dry nest]

This may be Rule 2

https://tenor.com/view/archen-pokemon-goofy-goober-silly-just-like-me-fr-gif-2496754116630378463

[glass patio]

🗿

[orchid vault]

literally every anthropomorphic animal pokemon is a furry (lots of the newer starter final stages lol). As long as you don't make the pose sexy for no reason it should be fine

I do think meloetta looks like little bit too much like a human person for my taste though

[brisk vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/goku-stare-xenoverse-goku-prowler-meme-xenoverse-prowler-gif-14051675066310511769

[obtuse silo]

i think infernape is not looking like a furry

[empty leaf]

On the one hand, you bring up a good point but on the other hand...

[orchid vault]

infernape is monky, he gets a pass, combusken also doesn't quite cross the like. It's gen 5+ that it becomes a thing with the starters (we don't talk about lopuny)

[obtuse silo]

yeah agree

[obsidian hare]

nah

its gen 6 and later.

I personally dont mind it though, humanoid pokemon look cool in my opinion. Atleast, they can.

[proud lion]

Same, also add Chimeco line and Xurkitree to the wait for next update

[grave jolt]

The Archen line is my personal favorite of all the pokemon in the list 😌

[obsidian hare]

^

[hollow quest]

meloetta is more head fusion material anyway. i see it less for the body fusions

[buoyant narwhal]

Most of the humanoid ones seem to follow this trend

[hollow quest]

yeah but meloetta is much more theme-heavy than gardevoir or lopunny, which is why i see more potential in its head fusions

[empty leaf]

depend on how that goes

but yeah, I could see a good amount of sprites/fusion being made for some combo

[hollow quest]

i think it'll have sprites both ways to be fair, which i think is ultimately a good thing. more custom sprites is always a plus, especially on new pokemon

[bold atlas]

seems the Fusion Calculators haven't updated with these guys yet?

[obtuse silo]

Agree headwise its more interesting

[bold atlas]

"This just in: Meloetta gives good head"

[hollow quest]

i usually don't see its body as especially "problematic", mainly because it's tiny

it's in the same league as the mini mythicals like victini, jirachi and mew to me

just lil cuties

https://tenor.com/view/primadonna-iconic-meloetta-nota-sine-gif-16632893

[obtuse silo]

I whish i had time to sprite, when the new mon comes out

[hollow quest]

but i fully expect archeops or torkoal to win unfortunately

[mystic rivet]

been falling behind on the series so gonna try to catch up and check for the final reveal between episodes

[outer matrix]

All I'm going to guess is that the final reveal is going to be something that I don't expect to be chosen

[hollow quest]

precisely

[sullen elbow]

I bet it will be shaymin beacause its the one I want the least

[outer matrix]

It could be the only starter on the choice picks or shaymin
I'm fine with the rest (in terms of head and body fusions)

But it feels strange to have only one starter line and not the other ones from its generation

[mystic rivet]

same deal for xurk

[feral bear]

I mean, archen has a much higher chance of being picked so its probably going to be that

[white meadow]

doesnt it have like a 16.6666~ % chance?

[hollow quest]

i mean only 8% more than the rest, but technically yeah

[dry nest]

https://tenor.com/view/archen-pokemon-goofy-goober-silly-just-like-me-fr-gif-6852571216630021098

[hollow creek]

reminds me of that one portuguese anime music video

phai hut phon or something like that

[marble meadow]

was is this or next week or is it

vsauce jingel

[prime dust]

this weekend

so if they don't do it today, they'll do it tmrw

[marble meadow]

i doesnt matter but i wonder if some of the old or new mons has a vsauce fusion ref or some of the new games as ref

[worthy mountain]

How early can you get phantump?

[tranquil path]

i think as early as beating sylph co

[prisma willow]

My biggest question about Meloetta is whether or not it'll be pre or post game

[hollow creek]

Most definitely post game

[marble meadow]

mabye it could be a quest to collect music sheets or notes or find specific trainers what could work but is not in if is a group off malamar captured meloatta

somthing music related

[mystic rivet]

definitely feel like we're past the point of it being revealed today...

[marble meadow]

i think its next week or tommorow or in a later time cuz different time zones

[hollow creek]

Agreed

[white meadow]

Yo what can I use to view all fusions

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/bede-bede-pokemon-bede-swsh-opal-opal-pokemon-gif-22824651

but for real tough i need more pink

[mystic rivet]

more of a magenta

[winged vector]

Opal legit the best gym leader

[alpine rune]

Wrong place to discuss t here and, follow whichever. The grid for each character sprite is 32x32.

[distant edge]

sorry wrong channel

I thought I was on Spriting Discussion

[distant edge]

Right, thank you

So, which of the contest voter's nominations are you guys wanting to get in the game?
Personally, I am wanting the fire turtle, the electric eel line and the Archen line.

Also Baltoy and its evolution would be cool too

Not sure how to feel about the windchime pokemon. And sorry that I don't remember their names.

[royal drum]

Ranking the 11 raffle pokemon based on fusion potential/ how much it deserves to come (imo).

1. Moeletta
2. Solrock and Lunatone
3. Baltoy line
4. Clingling line
5. Tynamo line
6. Shaymin
7. Swirlix line
8. Torkoal
9. Archen line
10. Xurkitree
11. Popplio line

[sharp nebula]

accurate

[white meadow]

moeletta

[sharp nebula]

yes

[agile sun]

bro said that dessert fusions have no potential

https://tenor.com/view/akira-leave-me-alone-tetsuo-tetsuo-shima-leave-me-alone-meme-gif-12118377099744361472

[dry nest]

https://tenor.com/view/munchlax-pokemon-eating-eat-food-gif-19716284

[agile sun]

swirlix/munchlax eating theyself

[distant edge]

https://tenor.com/view/sw-starwars-anakin-skywalker-what-gif-4830457

Bro, you could make cupcake and cake pokemon, like those animal cakes seen on shows like Nailed It

Ngl, those would be pretty funny

[agile sun]

i want so hard to do dessert fusions 😭

[distant edge]

Just imagine there being Pokemon that look kind of like this? It would be hilarious

[alpine rune]

Hell yea solrock

[pure flower]

https://cdn.donmai.us/original/08/88/08885c0cf815be07716eb2367db69ad5.jpg

After seeing chlorophyll Leavanny with fell stinger in OU, I'm kinda more excited at the concept of a fusion between the two

[chilly stirrup]

Leavantis or Luranny

[proud lion]

Looks like the announcement will be tomorrow

[alpine rune]

I think that's a Luranny

[stuck cave]

Bede was a great dickhead rival. Triggered my "catty gay" instincts

[high haven]

We have zero fairies being added, I would want them just so it's not an absolute zero.

[inland jewel]

Slurpuff and Chimecho lets go

[gentle wasp]

Moeletta would have some crazy fusions tho ngl

[obtuse silo]

same with fire

[high haven]

Oricorio

[outer matrix]

we did get more dragon types than fairy types

[inland jewel]

its almost like how 10 of the 20 slots are dragon types

[obtuse silo]

oh true i forgot about the different forms

[robust geyser]

how can archen be so low with its fusion potential

[shut jackal]

Just as it should be

[white meadow]

When do we see the winner

[inland jewel]

when they announce it

[robust geyser]

It'll be revealed to you in a dream

[inland jewel]

that already happened then, it was Xurkitree

[robust geyser]

That wasn't a dream, it was a nightmare, sorry

[white meadow]

The only mon reveal I saw in a Dream was Skuntank some weeks ago

[robust geyser]

This was a case of delirium

If you dream about something else than Archen or Meloetta you dreams are wrong and you should consult a psychologist

[ebon glacier]

no reveal today? interesting

[sharp nebula]

luckily mine was meloetta, it happened i think the day garbodor was announced

[inland jewel]

from their wording it sounded like they'd announce when the raffle was being held, and then do the raffle. so with no announcement we wont know the time to show up

[limber niche]

We've been told that the reveal will "probably be tomorrow"

[glossy osprey]

tomorrow in mars

I dreamt so hard about guzzlord getting in, but now look where I end up at

[sharp nebula]

do i know that game?

[outer matrix]

guzzlord booked a trip to NYC?

[zenith relic]

Can't wait for Slurpuff now! since there so many desert based fusions

[proud lion]

Pokémon Reborn?

[glossy osprey]

I might do a guzzlord only run in reborn soon

[sterile verge]

hopefully

[limber niche]

Yeah. I know I've been ready since I woke up this morning lmao

From what has been said in event general, it's Thanksgiving weekend which has been impacting staff activity making it a bit more difficult to organize stuff

[silent acorn]

Check #announcements

[limber niche]

There's nothing new there? The last update was seven days ago saying it'd be about a week. It does say they'll let us know ahead of time but it doesn't say how long ahead of time

[silent acorn]

Exactly, I trolled you successfully, thank you for your patronage

[potent fjord]

hello, I have a question, does wounder trading depend on how good of pokemon I give?

and should I save my elite trade, or use it?

premium*

[limber niche]

The Trev rush spin advance notice was like 10 minutes so I'm expecting maybe an hour or two for this one

[low night]

Does anyone here know where Sandygast spawns? Yanmega doesnt know it

[robust geyser]

when you destroy the sandcastles on the various beach i would guess ?

[low night]

I kicked down like 30

[limber niche]

Patch notes say Sandygast can be found by destroying sandcastles. Maybe just really bad luck?

[inland jewel]

they are a chanse encounters, so

[robust geyser]

did you get the update ?

[low night]

ofc, already got a lot of the other new mons

[robust geyser]

then kick more sorry 🤷

[white meadow]

Lovely how many people make PorygonZ/Noivern

[paper merlin]

I do kinda wish we got more steel types than just Registeel, but the selection is great

[brisk vessel]

https://vxtwitter.com/TheYisusOne/status/1728428694346060139

[finite thistle]

The Porygon line in general make for some of my favorite fusion designs, especially the ones with random text boxes

[grand ravine]

I'm hoping the Conkeldurr line gets added next, because i had a thought while listening to Pikmin music earlier of a Conkeldurr fused with either Muk or Ditto to make the Waterwraith

[cinder oasis]

❌ Conkeldurr is NOT getting in ❌

[grand ravine]

that's a shame...

[distant edge]

https://tenor.com/view/zelda-good-gif-12770262

They were some of my least favorite Pokemon from Gen 5

[plucky bobcat]

What was your favorite Gen 5 Pokemon?

[grand ravine]

admittedly i was only suggesting conkeldurr because of that one idea...

[distant edge]

I quite like the main legendary trio. That being Reshiram, Zekrom and Kyurem.
Just the idea of them once being a single entity that was split apart long ago is really cool to me.

[grand ravine]

for me it's a three way tie between Galvantula, Ferrothorn, and Golurk

[cinder oasis]

Darmanitan

[distant edge]

As for the non legendaries, I like the Karrablast, Tynamo and Golett lines, just to name a few

[distant edge]

What was the idea that you had?

[grand ravine]

fusing conkeldurr with either muk or ditto to make the waterwraith from pikmin 2/4

[distant edge]

That would be cool

[fleet quail]

Golem / Conkeldurr could make a proper Sisyphus fusion

But from the given Pokémon they chose, I want Meloetta or Torkoal. Meloetta because I'm working on a reference fusion and Torkoal because the fusions could be really creative.

[alpine rune]

idk what to make with torkoal other than incense jokes

Magmortar i get a few ideas but torkoal eh

Huzzah, Genesect/Torkoal

[next flare]

Excitement!!

[alpine rune]

Wow there's people like that?

[white meadow]

I wanna fuse magmortar and torkoal..

[agile olive]

would be cool if torkoal gets in, although I'm really gunning for archen

[lofty spindle]

I read that as "gunning for children".

[agile olive]

that's your problem 😛

[lofty spindle]

More like my week plans.

But more seriously, I stand by my takes that as cool as Archen and Primarina would be, they deserve to be included with their counterparts.

[white meadow]

ok i get the fact that one starter without the others would be weird but why care so much about other pokemon just because "they are counterparts"

[agile olive]

cos frog cares, lol

I do think it's odd though that we haven't got cresselia, considering

[lofty spindle]

Cresselia is certainly connected to Darkrai, but has in fact historically been separate when it came to events and such.

[silk narwhal]

Because cresselia is ass

[sullen elbow]

No, it is psychic

[hearty hill]

does anyone have the base stats of regiregi

[hearty hill]

ty

where did u find this?

it wasnt on the wiki

[clever atlas]

Showdown

[hearty hill]

ah ty

[white meadow]

all of that just to get one punched

[obtuse silo]

We also have trevenant without its counterpart and aurorus came a good while later than tyrantrum

[cobalt nebula]

It’s beautiful.

[white meadow]

Does someone know at what new mon it stopped in the new version with adding sprites?

[prime dust]

it isn't getting in now; no guarantees it might not get in a future dex expansion

[prime dust]

huh?

[azure beacon]

If I understood what you said correctly, then its the rockruff line

[white meadow]

Everything else has sprites?

[prime dust]

in the gallery maybe

but i think the last mon that has sprites the game can grab would likely be stufful or bewear as they were announced before Oct

[white meadow]

Yeah im downloading already from the gallery I just wonder how many I need to do

[prime dust]

everything after that won't be in any packs that exist atm

[white meadow]

I wonderd cuz Kiwi said she made a sprite pack cooperated in the game

[prime dust]

unless that got thrown into one of the other packs it never got released

or was default included in the files

[white meadow]

I just Download until bewear qwq

[prime dust]

but if we go off giving spriters time to make stuff and be in the Sept pack... Noibat/Noivern and Swablu/Alataria are likely the last ones since there was almost 1 week before the end of the month

[limber niche]

They roughly smashed October sprites into the game

[prime dust]

after that up until probably Necrozma will be in the October pack

[limber niche]

They're not credited and they didn't check numbers which they'll do for the November pack

[white meadow]

Btw how does U Necrozma work
How should I add him in the files?

[prime dust]

someone else tested this

once you do U Necrozma in battle, it creates a folder

not sure if Necrozma needs to be fused with anything

i mean it isn't much of a thing to test...if the 450_1 folder doesn't get made with an unfused Necrozma after you form shift it, then just fuse it with something and then form shift it

one of those will create the folder needed and then the game can index sprites properly

[alpine rune]

Egg

I'm hyped for the raffle roll

I'm rooting for the sun and moon rock

I want to make solar system fusions

[prime dust]

I'm not

[alpine rune]

what you rooting for?

[prime dust]

1, 6, 11, or 12

3 would be slightly higher than the rest, the only one i don't want in with this at least right now is 5

[glad pawn]

wait what raffle thing?

[alpine rune]

I still stand by my list

[prime dust]

#announcements message

[glad pawn]

ohhh

yeah meolettas the best out of those

[prime dust]

this is the last reveal of new mons for this batch

[sharp nebula]

you are correct

[prime dust]

future batches of mons will come when Frogman has time, or desires another dex expansion

as to how they will get added in, we could see another poll; or they could just get added in on a whim

[glad pawn]

oh i see

can old mons that fail still eventually come back?

[mystic rivet]

Don't see why not

As long as they're not past gen7 they should be viable

[prime dust]

i mean the starters got dq'ed from the original poll and will likely be added in since we made it abundantly clear we want them

[alpine rune]

probably but not for a long time

[mystic rivet]

Hopefully the UBs get similar treatment

[glad pawn]

decidueye and greninja fr

[mystic rivet]

I love guzzlord but that thing is so fragile

[prime dust]

I also enjoy how the only comment I ever got on my raffle list was that Aromatisse was the counterpart to Slurpuff...no one bothered to question how I labeled Torkoal and I feel slightly worried that everyone got the reference

[mystic rivet]

Idk about any references

[prime dust]

i made reference jokes for Shaymin, Meloetta, Torkoal and Slurpuff

the most obvious 2 being Shaymin and Meloetta

Shaymin = Chia Pet Theme Song and/or Sonic X Theme Song
Meloetta = Dance Dance Revolution

[mystic rivet]

Well I lied, I meant more about torkoal. Though I don't think slurpuff is referring to anything in particular.

[prime dust]

god that just kind of shows my age a bit

and Slurpuff does reference an internert meme from like 2018

[fresh salmon]

I don't think so since XY released in 2013

[mystic rivet]

I feel like I have a huge gap in my meme culture

[prime dust]

so a pokemon from 2013 can't reference a meme from 2018?

[prime dust]

https://youtu.be/96dSeavNQrQ?si=pCZOBMtlcKPwdCVe just like the first 7 seconds is all you need

[mystic rivet]

I refuse

[prime dust]

as for Island of Sodor music...that is from my childhood, Thomas the Tank Engine

[mystic rivet]

Memes are meant to die. The good ones are the ones that persist.

[sharp nebula]

the pumkin says im very hungry and is then fed various foods

[cobalt nebula]

I told you it was one day more

[hollow quest]

watch it be delayed another week

[cyan hare]

So uhhh wheres the raffle thinn

[cobalt nebula]

It’s one day more, we still have the entire day today

[cyan hare]

Bot

[white meadow]

Y do you want to have Chimecho later?

[hollow quest]

because they don't like it much maybe or feel like it's a waste of a slot for now?

it's a wild concept i know

[white meadow]

But wouldnt that fit more to eh than

[proud lion]

It is not at the level of Bruxish at least

[robust geyser]

where is the tier list ?

[proud lion]

I made it via "All Pokémon" with an edit-in

[tame flax]

Slurpuff supremacy

[violet pawn]

let's go

2 hours till we know

[white meadow]

How do you know

Oh there is a announcement

[round gale]

Number 3! Number 3! Number 3! 🍰

[honest tartan]

I feel like xurk would theoretically force frogman to also add the other ultra beasts since it would be weird to have one and not the others
Then again we have darkrai and no cresselia

[crisp prawn]

Café remix I love that game.

[hollow quest]

it wouldn't force him, doubt that. i doubt they would've allowed xurkitree or primarina alone if he knew he'd be "forced" to add the rest

[round gale]

It has such a cute artstyle and the gameplay was rather fun too!

[crisp prawn]

It would be very weird if only one UB was in the game. Any related mons really, makes sense why lunatone and solrock are in the same group.

[honest tartan]

The secret is if they win they bring their whole group with them, it just wasnt announced.

[hollow quest]

do you really think he'd throw in 10 new mons or 6 new mons randomly as a "bonus" to those

[honest tartan]

Yes

He already did it before with the blitz pokemon

[crisp prawn]

I don't know what changed about the original 20 limit, but that seems to be gone so... it is possible? Perhaps?

[mint grotto]

im rooting for meloeeta for a music themed run

[feral bear]

I would very much like for slurp, xurk claydol or sun and moon, but im sure it will be archen sadly

[crisp prawn]

I really want it to be archen. It has such cool colours, and it has wings. How can you turn down a winged mon.
Slurpuff would be cool too tho.

[lament tundra]

With the way the game does fusions now, we could theoretically have over 200k new unfused mons in the game before facing the problem we had before.

[crisp prawn]

Oh! So... we can get rid of the vote and put them all in? :]

[honest tartan]

He’s actually going to put all of the raffle mons in at the same time

[lament tundra]

Each fusion used to be its own pokemon in the game. Now the game generates the fusion as it's made.

[honest tartan]

Im just hoping primarina doesnt win so we can keep our 69 water types in the game

[crisp prawn]

Oh yes, I remember how stats were done was changed. That was a weird way to implement the fusions. I bet that's cut down on the memory a whole lot eh.

What actually was the limit before about? Why was it capped?

[restive arrow]

i think it'd be hilarious if bruxish got in after all, but I'm hyped at the possibility of getting Eelektross in

[honest tartan]

20, space limitations

[restive arrow]

the only addition that would disappoint me is primarina line since it'd be the only starter line to get in, and it'd feel weird not including the other two alolan starters with it

[honest tartan]

What if the other starters are bundled with it

[restive arrow]

then my disappointment would be reversed, and my day would be made

[crisp prawn]

In what sense? It's not on a CD or such, or was the cap more of a decided rule?

[dry nest]

Wooooo archen for the win!!!

[mint grotto]

double insinaroar is just matcho man randy savige

[dry nest]

https://tenor.com/view/archen-raptor-bird-dinosaur-fossil-gif-12835833765051352636

[honest tartan]

Hardware limitations capped it at 20 before he updated and upgraded the game and let more in

[inland jewel]

the 20 "limit" was to see which pokemon gets in First. With the overhaul of the system, we have enough room for all pokemons gens 3-7 to be added.

The thing that limited the pokemon getting in is the Solo Dev's Time. As he is not paid (and is not accepting payments) to work on this full time as he has other obligations like his health, job, family, etc.

[restive arrow]

engine can only handle so many pokemon, and the previous method of storing them created a hard cap of how many fusions could be in

[inland jewel]

the cap was more on how much pokemon Frogman could fit in given his free time and relative release dates in mind

[honest tartan]

@crisp prawn #announcements message

[feral bear]

Archen will make a cute sableye but i just dont really like it that much sadly

[honest tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/xurkitree-gif-9674416

[white meadow]

We need anything BUT 5

Because if we don't roll a 5 for the Primarina Line, then we'd have a Chance Later for ALL the Alolan Starters

[honest tartan]

Hoping for xurk/coal here

[white meadow]

I'm hoping for 8, 9, or 12

[honest tartan]

3-5 are the ones i really dont want in, im fine with anything else

[white meadow]

Because I really want Archeops to have as much Potential Unleashed as Slaking and Regigigas have had, and I reasonably like Shaymin and most Grass Type Pokemon In-General

[lofty spindle]

Primarina and Archen would make me sad, luckily they only have a 1 in 4 chance total.

[honest tartan]

9/12 chance for me to not be completely sad

[white meadow]

I understand why you'd be upset with Primarina since the other two Alolan Starters wouldn't be added, but why do Archen and Archeops make you sad?

[lofty spindle]

Archeops also has a counterpart.

We got Aurorus specifically so that Tyrantrum wouldn't be alone, would just feel wrong for this not to happen here.

[white meadow]

And... Do Tortuga and Carracosta actually bring anything to the table?

[honest tartan]

Turtle

[hollow quest]

idk but i feel like archeops doesn't bring all that much either

the only real route i can see it bein useful or unique in is the removal of defeatist

[white meadow]

If we get Archeops, then we can Unleash its Full Potential without Defeatist

[hollow quest]

yeah and at that point it's just a worse regigigas or slaking, i don't see the full appeal

[inland jewel]

its an amazing bodymon for sure

[honest tartan]

At most carracosta brings more solidrock pokemon

[cobalt nebula]

Anything but the Dino bird

[empty pendant]

personally I think getting primarina by itself is fine

sure, "but all the starters!!", but like, given this probably won't be the last dex expansion, it'd be like a teaser for the eventual Starterpocalypse

[silk narwhal]

they shouldn't have allowed duplicates

[empty leaf]

And with that...

IT BEGINS

[empty pendant]

the primal urge to complete every set Right Now can be fought when you realize how cute the primarina fusions will be and that we do need more fairy types

[honest tartan]

More people will complain that the rest aren’t coming in than be glad that one got in

[empty pendant]

we straight up had regigigas and not the other regis for ages

[silk narwhal]

primarina is terrible, no one would make fusions with brionne, popplio would get a thousand body fusions and nothing else

[honest tartan]

Slurpuff:

Cute, fairy type, bad stats. Perfect for the game

[hollow quest]

yeah but most people won't care, they just like the starters and want them in, wasn't this proven by past votes lol

[honest tartan]

Bad learnset too

[empty pendant]

I disagree! ...Not about Brionne, but people don't make middle evo fusions for anything already. However, I like Primarina and have a few ideas already, and Popplio head is another way to get fun clowns.

[silk narwhal]

then why add another one

[silk narwhal]

let's be honest, people want greninja

[hollow quest]

well duh, but this is why starters were kept out of some votes

[empty pendant]

I don't want Greninja.

Also, middle evos are a fact of life, I don't see a reason to complain

[hollow quest]

same logic for some legendaries

[silk narwhal]

the point is, there are much better options

actually, option: meloetta

[honest tartan]

Havent heard much for chimecho or claydol

[silk narwhal]

please dude, i need meloetta so bad, i have no idea how she didn't make it yet please

[hollow quest]

there's a couple vocal minority supporters but no, meloetta is the most supported one so far

[silk narwhal]

sadly it DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE IT'S RANDOM

[empty pendant]

meloetta is a mid pokemon and I'd prefer xurk, slurpuff, or primarina

[silk narwhal]

there's no way you're fr

[honest tartan]

Xurk gang

[hollow quest]

i would be xurk gang but i'd prefer it be part of a separate dex expansion with all its homies

[honest tartan]

Xurk getting In without the homies would be worse than primarina getting in without its homies

[hollow quest]

like imagine a wormhole opening up and then having UB encounters throughout the regions, bonus of including lunala/solgaleo and the rest of the cosmog line

[honest tartan]

Frog in event general btw

[honest tartan]

We can finally have a (legit) ultra necrozma

[empty pendant]

I am fr! My order of preference is like...
-Xurk or Primarina (fun teaser, makes it near guaranteed the rest of their set comes Next Time)
-Archeops or Eelektross (hehe birb/hehe woomy)
-Slurpuff (fun potential)
-Torkoal or Meloetta (decent)
-Shaymin (doesn't add much new)
-Claydol (meh)
-Chimecho, Solrock, or Lunatone (please no)

[vagrant rune]

Talk for yourself

[silk narwhal]

i talk for almost everyone

[hollow quest]

you do not talk for almost everyone

[silk narwhal]

):

[vagrant rune]

Lmao not at all. People says that they want Primarina with the rest of starters, not that Primarina is terrible. You are just mad because it's not Greninja which makes you a subjective hypocrite in this matter. So stop thinking your biased opinion is objective at all

[hollow quest]

primarina and xurkitree don't mean the rest will get in any sooner, considering they were random choices from winners, i don't make the links without some cope injections

[cobalt nebula]

I like baltoy

[prime dust]

yeah i have 0 issues with primarina, fairy types are welcome, i'd rather have it along with the other starters in that gen at the same time...xurkitree i can't say much on as i didn't get that far in ultra sun/ultra moon

[empty pendant]

Okay, but consider: people will channel their "I want the rest of the set in!!" that got the Regis voted in despite the fact that they suck

towards getting the others in, in any future voting

[silk narwhal]

when the fuck did i say i want greninja

i don't give a fucking shit about greninja, or any other starter for that matter

[honest tartan]

My order is

• Wanted Most (Xurk, Arch, Coal)
• Acceptable (melo, shaymin)
• Disappointed ( Sol, Luna, Clay, Prim, tynamo)
• Not wanted at all (Slur, Chime)

[empty pendant]

oh shit I forgot to put eelektross in my list it's tied with archeops I really like him

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/weavile-pokemon-anime-dance-gif-22707594

[honest tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/xurkitree-pokemon-mrbeast-mrxurkitree-gif-9984008711675004103

[empty pendant]

you know, it'd probably be possible to make some really weird eldritch reference fusions with xurk body

[hollow quest]

[empty pendant]

this is only correct in a technical sense. if there's a vote for the next pokemon, it will ABSOLUTELY influence the voting.

[vagrant rune]

Doesn't matter, considering you aren't objective. Greninja, Meloetta... this doesn't mean your tastes or your opinion are objective. And, for fusion potential, all the raffle fusions have potential, including Primarina.

[hollow quest]

yeah but when'll the next vote even be

[white meadow]

they should make next starter votes separate just for funny

[lament tundra]

Starters likely will never be in a vote again. Seeing as they were removed from the last one.

Unless it's a vote over which gen starters to add.

[cobalt nebula]

Blasphemy

[white meadow]

we totally wouldn't just get another starter water type (you know who)

[empty pendant]

do you seriously think that the fucking regis would've won if it hadn't been for regigigas already being in and people seeing the option to Finish The Set

[white meadow]

i mean

[honest tartan]

No, cresselia isnt in

[white meadow]

i hate regis but they would have voted regis regardless because "haha funny golem sounds"

[vagrant rune]

That's what I say. People kept saying that starters will appear in a next update but this could had happen this update as well and they were removed even if people voted for them, so it's not something we can trust anyways

[empty pendant]

Cresselia and Darkrai is a way more tenuous pair, given that Darkrai's a Mythical and ends up not associated with Cresselia across certain iterations of Pokemon media--it's not presented as linked to Cress in Legends Arceus, for example, and Cress isn't linked to Darkrai in ORAS

[robust geyser]

One hour 🙏

[honest tartan]

We also got Necrozma without Solgaleo and Lunala even tho thats a “Trio”

[empty pendant]

they were offered as separate choices and cosmog line's 4 slots

[vagrant rune]

Anyways, I'm fine with any Pokémon in the raffle. I think most have a lot of potential (besides some are clearly wanted for reference sprites and I mostly prefer other kind of fusions but that's my opinion after all)

[empty pendant]

but you already hear people going "now I want cosmog line"

[honest tartan]

Someone’s always going to complain about something

[hollow quest]

been like that for a while now, doesn't seem to have changed much

[arctic glacier]

Anything but Chimeco 🤞

[empty pendant]

my prediction is that if primarina or xurk gets in, the general consensus will shift to a strong preference for "rest of alola starters/UBs (as applicable)", and if they're available in votes, they'll be heavily favored alongside cosmog

because of the completionism drive

[vagrant rune]

Cosmog is... weird. Because adding them will make a lot of Jirachi, Palkia and Clefable fusions very confused about what the head Pokémon is (because of the galaxy effects)

[robust geyser]

is there a tier list for the raffle ?

[white meadow]

idk, i see people just use the old tier list for the votes

[feral bear]

We were so robbed by not getting cosmog smh

[white meadow]

nah

[feral bear]

But perhaps maybe one day in the future

[elfin forge]

Here are my thoughts on all of the potential new Pokémon:

Solrock & Lunatone: I wouldn’t mind this honestly, but I think we have enough space pokemon

Torkoal: Really hoping for this one bc I really like Torkoal

Swirlix line: Wouldn’t mind this one either

Popplio line: It’d just feel weird not having the other two alola starters so no thanks

Chingling line: Please no

Tynamo line: I’d like this

Baltoy line: Please no

Archen line: It’d be weird to not have Tirtouga too but I wouldn’t mind this one

Xurkitree: This could be cool

Meloetta: This could also be cool

Shaymin: Also one I’d like to see

[feral bear]

I am sending all of my powers to bruxish rn however

All of my powers, day after day

[honest tartan]

Sending all of my power to the anti bruxish squad

[arctic glacier]

The only one I’d be upset about is Chimeco

[white meadow]

yin and yang

[elfin forge]

Sending all of my power to the Spheal in IF squad

[honest tartan]

Chimecho and slurpuff for me

[elfin forge]

Chimecho and Claydol for me

[hollow quest]

slurpuff i can see a lot of sweets potential at least

[elfin forge]

Yeah same

[hollow quest]

too bad its stats are kinda stinky

[arctic glacier]

Sticky webs and unburden too

[round gale]

Manifesting some food

[inland jewel]

i'd be upset with Shaymin or Meloetta, simply because they'd come in at a point of the game I won't play

[hollow quest]

your loss

[white meadow]

just make them pull a gamefreak and make them gifted from like a route 1 npc

[empty pendant]

put slurpuff onto something like slaking for good numbers

[arctic glacier]

Bruxish Squad RN

[white meadow]

cough cough jirachi in bdsp

[inland jewel]

with modern mode i can have all pokemon early, EXCEPT for legenaries and mythicals, so why should I go through johto just to grab them?

[round gale]

Slurpuff on roids

[honest tartan]

Slurpuff is just worse clefable to me

[hollow quest]

that was kinda cool at least

[round gale]

Clefable can't make food

[empty pendant]

clefable doesn't have sticky web, unburden, and a cherry on top

[round gale]

Terrible cook, not to be left in the kitchen

[white meadow]

making mythicals more available is great but just slapping them on a npc thats' literally in the first fucking town is just lame

[honest tartan]

Bdsp shaking in its boots

[arctic glacier]

I'm looking forward to more single stages, cause they take up less space and don't require an entire line of sprites in their aesthetic

[robust geyser]

Here i am

[inland jewel]

the space thing is irrelevant now, the dev himself confirmed we have enough space for 1000 generations of pokemon

the only thing that is stopping him from adding the pokemon is his free time.

[arctic glacier]

Unfortunate that Archeops is just better Aerodactyl

[white meadow]

can't wait for gen 246

[hollow quest]

opinions can be wrong

[arctic glacier]

I know about the space thing, it's just that adding a single stage is only 880 fusions vs. alot that people probably won't be using past level 12

[empty pendant]

solrock and lunatone body fusions would be so... nobody will want to do that

[hollow quest]

[robust geyser]

Sure thing, yours for example 😌

[hollow quest]

you've not seen my full list so that defense doesn't work

[empty pendant]

sure they make kinda fun heads but as bodies they're too close to glalie and electrode territory

[robust geyser]

I'm not talking about your opinion about the raffle :ominous:

[hollow quest]

let's be real, they only cared about froslass and her frozen glory

[feral bear]

https://tenor.com/view/billy-porter-tea-gif-22730399

[empty pendant]

lunatone is better in that regard but not good

[hollow quest]

at least make the emote work

[white meadow]

solrock is just the darkest lord from miitopia

[robust geyser]

there wasn't supposed to be an emote, it was just to give the vibe of my message 🤷‍♂️

[vagrant rune]

I think this is irrelevant. If a Pokémon has 3 stages and the three are different enough between, they aren't wasted slots to me

[empty pendant]

that's an extremely controversial opinion

[hollow quest]

hm, yeah i felt no vibe from that, sorry

[honest tartan]

People would just use it as a substitute for the actual sun and moon pokemon

[robust geyser]

I hardly think you've felt anything these past few years Keade 😔

Not after what happened

[white meadow]

?

[hollow quest]

well anytime i drink cold water i feel a lot in my teeth

[arctic glacier]

You have to let them go, the accident wasn't your fault

[white meadow]

nah you totally could have done better

[honest tartan]

drink room temp water

[inland jewel]

to be fair, he isn't adding in the fusion mons, only the base mon, the fusions are dynamically fused by the computer, and not pulled from a database like last time

[robust geyser]

That's the point, you don't have teeth anymore, you have to wake up 😭

[inland jewel]

so at this point he is just adding 1 mon vs adding 3 mons depending on who is winning the raffle

[arctic glacier]

I'm just not excited for Brionne sprites lol

[hollow quest]

oh i get it, i am a primarina now

[mystic rivet]

Gonna have to miss the live roll

[robust geyser]

except kirlia i don't see a lot of good coming from it haha

[inland jewel]

I am biased as it is my favorite starter line, so ill agree to disagree

[hollow quest]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-primarina-sun-and-moon-gif-13384450

[inland jewel]

to be fair, not many people focus on the middle lines

[white meadow]

the golisopod in my pocket:

[robust geyser]

I'm pretty sure seals have teeth

[hollow quest]

it's a sea lion and mermaid anyway

[plucky hatch]

hello can anyone tell me how to download teh game i cant find it

[vagrant rune]

I did a Brionne custom sprite tho. I could be excited for it and the rest
Plus, if we talk about these three, color-wise and role-wise they are very different despite looking solid as a complete line, so fusion potential is guantered

[white meadow]

golisopod vs primarina is just spopovich vs videl but pokemon

[hollow quest]

i want both yes

[inland jewel]

I'd def sprite a ton of the popplio line

maybe i'll come out of my spriting hiatus

[vagrant rune]

For example I love Eelektross line, but the Brionne-Primarina case is a lot different than Eelektrik-Eelektross which may look the same

[robust geyser]

I still don't understand why Frogman doesn't just add the pokemon i want, it would be easier than making a vote

[vagrant rune]

First thing I'll do if Popplio line wins is making a Popplio custom base

[honest tartan]

Xurkitree would make spriters suffer the most so i want that in

[robust geyser]

No ultra-beast in my pokeyman game

[hollow quest]

make them suffer with all the possibilities

[arctic glacier]

Why doesn't Frog just DM me so I can tell him which Pokemon to add in

[mystic rivet]

Would make some cool wire-frame kinda bodies

[honest tartan]

Behead xurk and replace it with the head of your mon of choice

[white meadow]

why doesn't frog just add all pokemon so no one complain??!?!?!?

[hollow quest]

also free body lights

[robust geyser]

Why doesn't frog just sent me 5000€ each month, it's like he doesn't listen to the community 😩

[empty pendant]

if popplio line wins I'll make you regret it by making a half dozen references :) (joking about the regret part--)

[honest tartan]

Someone would still complain

[arctic glacier]

Frog pay my rent

[hollow quest]

i'll have to miss the vote also

[white meadow]

you are right, considering furfrou would have to be included i would complain

[hushed mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/epicwin-epic-win-slurpuff-pokemon-gif-25236831

[inland jewel]

one more hour guys

[hollow quest]

oh well, at least i'll get to try some wine in the meantime

[honest tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/venusaur-primarina-vgc-sun-gif-18817289

[robust geyser]

Pretty lazy of him to not resolve all the wars in the world instead

[mystic rivet]

I imagine a mimikyu xurk would be made of staticed puff balls and pipe cleaners

[white meadow]

he should add every pokemon but furfrou so no one complains!

[vagrant rune]

lmao

[hushed mantle]

Does it hurt the dog?

[arctic glacier]

But if Furfrou doesn't get in I'll complain

[honest tartan]

Furfrouers would still complain

[empty pendant]

omg xurk made of pipe cleaners and pompoms would be so cute

[hollow quest]

what is a furfrou

[honest tartan]

Grass Poison beats Water Fairy

[arctic glacier]

We'll have to fight until only one side remains

[vagrant rune]

https://tenor.com/view/furfrou-spin-pokemon-3d-blender-gif-14368860368879760025

[robust geyser]

You know somewhere in america it's thanksgiving right now, so why not being thankful for the pokemon that are in ? And the corn.

[empty pendant]

he's rotating like a potato in the microwave

[hollow quest]

(i know what it is, i just want to make the fans mad)

[regal vault]

If claydol doesn't win I will

[hollow quest]

you will what

[regal vault]

💥

[white meadow]

(win)

[arctic glacier]

All this talk, when Chimeco is just gonna get rolled

[robust geyser]

Johlly added to the game, a virtual jail he will never escape

[hushed mantle]

Slurpuff or primarina are probably the most necessary, we didn’t get a single new fairy type

[robust geyser]

but we could get archen instead, it's basically a fairy

[regal vault]

[mystic rivet]

I don't want popplio line without other starters

[white meadow]

eh who cares, fairies mid (except diancie)

[arctic glacier]

Fuses Johlly with Slugma

[regal vault]

It would be a bit illogical to have the primarina but not have the other starters

[vagrant rune]

I should had suggest the elemental monkeys just for that, because if they will complain anyways at least they will complain rightly like this

[mystic rivet]

And I don't want carracosta and tortuga to be the only fossils left out

[robust geyser]

Screw the logic, we're fusing mutated animals

[regal vault]

Eiejdbsiejej

[honest tartan]

updated list of the number of used pokemon types in PIF ||after 🐕 reveal||
ice (20). fighting (22). dark, fairy (25). electric (28).
ghost (33). steel (34). dragon, bug (36). fire (38). rock(41). ground (44).
psychic, poison (47). grass (48).
normal (57). flying (60). water (69).

[hushed mantle]

Well, kinda true. I wish they would somehow add the other 2 if it wins

[robust geyser]

We need more water mon

[regal vault]

I was going to say they don't make sense but I remembered it's not a vote xd

[arctic glacier]

The other Aololan starters: Golisopod, Bruxish

[robust geyser]

Bruxish is a legendary

[white meadow]

they should have made a raffle for all pokemon instead of making us vote, totally wouldn't have ended up horribly

[robust geyser]

It would take to much time to frog to add the events for obtaining Bruxish

[hushed mantle]

Bruxish is dead

[vagrant rune]

I think this logic died at the moment GF decided to add Charizard alone in SwSh. And after make us think Tyrantrum will join alone in IF then separated from Aurorus in the IF dex for this reason

[regal vault]

Charizard is charizard.

[white meadow]

bruxish is in the game, you just need to complete the whole fusion dex trust

[sullen elbow]

and mawvile being in the game without sableye for a long time

[vagrant rune]

Same case, yep.

[regal vault]

They are not a duo

[white meadow]

they are?

they are counterparts

[vagrant rune]

They are counterparts in their debut games

[regal vault]

The counterparties do not have a logic

[arctic glacier]

Where Dracovish?

[white meadow]

wym by that, they were pretty much version exclusives

[lament tundra]

I hate the gen 8 fossils and wish we could just revive the actual mons instead of performing mad science experiments.

[regal vault]

No

[honest tartan]

Why do that we can have abominations

[lament tundra]

I guess Galar scientists got bored after filling the dlc areas with fossil mons.

[honest tartan]

Arctozolt clearly needed to exist

[white meadow]

i wish they actually looked like they tried to make something plausible instead of "hmmm yeah lets slap the head on the tip of the tail"

[inland jewel]

arctozolt is of my favorite galar mons, which isn't tough since most of them are pretty bad

[outer matrix]

Weren't the Gen 8 fossils based off of early, inaccurate fossil restorations that occurred in Britain?

[white meadow]

at least the zolt ones kinda look like an attempt

vish was just there to suffer

[white meadow]

Yes

[regal vault]

They are good in every way, are you crazy?

[vagrant rune]

tbh I loved that. I like when they break some patterns to make the world more diverse. Find fossil Pokémon in the wild is a fun idea when the "you must revive this Pokémon in a laboratory and get it as gift" was too overused already

[inland jewel]

eldegoss should have been a middle evo

[white meadow]

well it is pretty mid if that counts

[inland jewel]

Coalossol is just missed potential for Coalmotive

[outer matrix]

The shinies being greyscale for the Gen 8 fossils are cool

[inland jewel]

Greedunt and Thievul is just missed potentials

[vagrant rune]

Coalossal
I love the other two but Coalossal... I wanted a different thing tbh. I dislike it less since Revavroom at least, that line gave me something that calmed my need for a vehicle Pokémon made of rocks

[regal vault]

He would take hate

[vagrant rune]

Well, a Pokémon getting hate in Pokémon community for the most wrong reasons is something I see everyday

[white meadow]

revavroom not having speed boost is a crime

[inland jewel]

the most illogical thing i can think of is people not wanting a mon in this game becaue of the base form... like, we're gonna fuse it anyway why should it matter?

its gonna have cool art, its gonna have its stats/typing fixed, be given a better ability

[agile sun]

frr lmao

[regal vault]

For me, anyone who give hate about object pokemon is not even part of the community

[inland jewel]

just let people play around with it instead of "haha stinky"

[outer matrix]

Earlier when I was still asleep, I dreamt that a Pokémon that I didn't like got added in

[fiery eagle]

I would enjoy basically every mon in the raffle except for chingling not because its an "object mon" or "uninteresting" or whatever but because I did a platinum nuzlocke once and a wild chingling fucking demolished me for no reason and im still bitter

Mostly hoping for Torkoal, Archeops, or Shaymin though personally :D

[honest tartan]

I have personal beef with chimecho

[vagrant rune]

True. Besides, and here's my hot take: some Pokémon can give fusion potential because they aren't bad Pokémon at all, despite how hated they are. If they can work for fusion is because they have features that make them unique and interesting, which makes them functional species that give diversity in the Pokémon world, something needed in a game that wants to have the perfect Pokémon for everyone

[inland jewel]

and a romhack elevated him for me, its just our own experiences

[honest tartan]

I just don’t like pokemon that can be boiled down to being a worse version of another pokemon

[outer matrix]

I'm not going to expect what gets revealed today, so if the reveal Pokémon is quote on quote "bad" then let me know

[inland jewel]

and who is chimecho a worst version of?

[vagrant rune]

It's always fun how the most accepted objectmon is a possessed sword, which is the most mainstream concept for a monster object ever. And that's why it's accepted, because some people has a bad time trying to understand something they never saw before like if they were a grumpy grandfather denying the usefulness of the internet

[inland jewel]

because then thats just 90% of all pokemon

[honest tartan]

Not just that, i dont just dislike staryu because it’s a worse starmie, i just dont like a certain pokemon because it would be a worse version of another pokemon, like chimecho is just a worse version of cresselia or the lake trio

[inland jewel]

but you can't use those pokemon normallly in a playthrough

[vagrant rune]

Tbf Sableye head fusions could look like Starmie head fusions since they have both gem features and the same color palette, and yet people wanted Sableye so bad

[inland jewel]

if you're bringing legendaries/mythicals into the equation then thats just flawed logic, since legends and mythis are SUPPOSED to be good

[hidden relic]

Sable has been wanted for atleast 3 years, no way it was not getting in.

[honest tartan]

Some pokemon are meant to be good and some pokemon are meant to be bad. Still don’t like chimecho even though others like claydol can fill the same niche it does but better

[empty leaf]

given that people are giving their view on them, I might as well give my 2 cents on them

[inland jewel]

even then, its a fusion game, I'd agree with you IF we were just getting chimecho only, but we can fuse it to create new stuff that can make it good or fill another niche

so not wanting a mon in is just illogical

[vagrant rune]

I didn't mean it didn't deserve it. I was talking about the "worse versions of another Pokémon" argument

In the end Pokémon can have their unique potential, despite looking too similar with other Pokémon in the game for the same usage

[honest tartan]

I play said fusion game, which is why im saying it like this. If pokemon 1 is just a worse version of pokemon 2, then i wouldnt be inclined to use it unless I had literally no other choice

[proud lion]

Imagine we get more than one raffle spin as a surprise

[inland jewel]

you can also think about where they are acquired, if Claydol is Johto only, and Chimecho is Kanto starting from City 3. Then it wouldn't matter since you'd have replaced Chimecho at that point you get Claydol

[proud lion]

One normal Pokémon, one legendary/mythical