pif-hoenn-discussion

[obsidian hare]

Imo the worst starter has to be the tepig line

[sly olive]

I find G7 water starter more forgetable

[slim otter]

Statswise or lookswise?

[obsidian hare]

Poplio?

[cinder oasis]

Rillaboom is goated

[slim otter]

You mean the one on the raffle roster?

[sly olive]

Or was it G6

[slim otter]

G6 is froakie

[cinder oasis]

The worst starter objectively is Meganium but subjectively you can dislike whoever you want

[obsidian hare]

Idk anything about tepigs stats, but just kinda overall. It felt like the most boring pick out of three pretty damn good ones

[slim otter]

Yeah, I feel the same way
Brionne is too girly, and pignite is too masculine, if you know what I mean

[tame flax]

Slurpuff

[obsidian hare]

briging up a new question

[leaden flax]

Honestly I warmed up to Tepig when I first started to draw fusions with it, it's just a fun Pokémon to draw

[stable sand]

Eh I liked Tepig, not the worst fire starter imo, and I didn't like the other starters design in 5G

[obsidian hare]

whats yalls FAVORITE starter

[sly olive]

Yeah definitely G7 water starter

[leaden flax]

Turtwig

[tame flax]

@spice sage why is archeops on the raffle twice?

[stable sand]

Piplup for me probably

[slim otter]

Including evos?

[obsidian hare]

mhmmm

[sly olive]

At least I can remember Chikorita's name to make fun of her

[slim otter]

I like dewott

[cedar merlin]

honestly, i have a huge amount of nostalgia for HGSS, but I feel like if gen 2 and their remakes weren't so nostalgic for most of the fanbase, gen 2 would easily be considered one of the worst gens. Meh starters, horrible level curve, terrible and boring pokemon, etc.

[fallen loom]

I've ALWAYS had issues with Samurott. It's a design Vs. stats mess!

1. The Pokemon has armor, yet it has low defense. This is made even worse in LA, by giving it 5 less in each Defense.
2. The Pokémon is a quadruped with swords, yet it's a mixed attacker with higher Special Attack. H Samurott at least switched Attack and Sp. Attack around though.
3. The mon learns Swords Dance and Sacred Sword, yet its best moveset is the same basic one given to almost all Special attacking Water Types.

[cedar merlin]

serperior is superior

[cinder oasis]

That's why H Samurott is the goat

[slim otter]

The whole special attacker with physical moves thing annoys me

[fallen loom]

H Samurott made it worse by lowering the defenses even more...

[obsidian hare]

my favorite is the cyndaquill or fuecoco line

[sly olive]

I think I started to like Bulbasaur line over Charmander. Bro was mvp my last run in infinity fusion with petal dance

[slim otter]

https://tenor.com/view/typhlosion-pokemon-cooking-family-gif-27137281

[cinder oasis]

H Samurott is better, easily my favorite starter of all time probably

[stable sand]

Eh, I didn't play GSC, but HGSS was one of the greatest pokemon games imo

[obsidian hare]

In my eyes Hisuian oshawott line was much worse than OG oshawott line

[cinder oasis]

There's only Hisuian Samurott

[fallen loom]

Because GF ignored the design and based its stats on what a non-armored biped would have

[slim otter]

HGSS's greatness was part of Platinum's greatness
Gen 4 was just well executed

[sly olive]

Ah yes, HGSS, the game in which you encounter a lvl 50 pidgey in route 1 of another region

[cinder oasis]

Pearl and diamond still suck

[tame flax]

Gen 4 almost made me quit the franchise

[stable sand]

The only bad thing in HGSS was it being 4G and so being quite slow in battle (even if it was much better than DP)

[tame flax]

And bdsp is the remakes gen 4 deserved

[sly olive]

Let me guess, cynthia?

[slim otter]

Don't say that
bdsp could have been so much better

[fallen loom]

HGSS's one problem is that you can interact with bins, yet none of them have anything in them

[cedar merlin]

Gen 2 pokemon design is so horrible that even the gen 2 gym leaders have primarily gen 1 pokemon lmao

[tame flax]

No, she wasn't a problem, I just hate the progression

[obsidian hare]

BDSP could have been better if they made it more like platinum, But it is my second favorite generation with or without the remakes

[tame flax]

Why is the first assumption when someone says they hate gen 4 is assume it's because of cynthia?

[stable sand]

DPP in general was very slow tbf, Platinum fixed that a bit but yeah

[fallen loom]

When it comes to Ghost and Dragon, there were only one Gen 2 mon to pick of each and funnily enough, Morty stays away from it

[sly olive]

Does anybody remember X and Y? I certainly don't

[slim otter]

Cynthia is known for being the most difficult champion

[obsidian hare]

X and Y was good

[tame flax]

Better than gen 4

[cinder oasis]

Gen 2 is the worst generation of pokemon

[stable sand]

I remember the rivals being trash

[slim otter]

I do
It was pretty fun
Not jaw-dropping, but still good

[obsidian hare]

Aint NO way

[leaden flax]

I played X... I didn't like it very much TBH, there are some Pokémon I like though

[slim otter]

Okay, real question time:

[fallen loom]

at least HGSS lets Silver fully evolve his Pokemon

[tame flax]

I'd sooner replay my copy of x or AS any day over a gen 4 game

[cedar merlin]

XY was super easy, but the dressing up and pokemon designs were so fun. It has a lot of replayability

[slim otter]

What's your favorite furfrou trim? :P

[sly olive]

It was certainly an improvement over Gen 1 original games but as a stand alone game, yeah, I get your point

[obsidian hare]

Gen 2 was the worst i gotta admit

[cedar merlin]

I wanted furfrou to get in SO bad. My favorite trim is the debutante

[obsidian hare]

But i dont like to admit it.

[slim otter]

I liked the Pharoh trim best

[sly olive]

The idea of post game 2nd region is fun, that's why I liked Infinite fusion a lot

[leaden flax]

Honestly I kinda ignored that Pokémon lol but I like the Star one the best I think

[cedar merlin]

we could have had so many fun hair cuts based off of different pokemon, but noooo we got basic ass wolf-dogs

[stable sand]

I might get people angry but, I'll be honest, I like 2G pokemons more than 1G pokemons

[slim otter]

No hate, that's fair
The customer is always right in matters of taste

[sly olive]

Some? Sure.

[stable sand]

By that I meant most pokemons

[sly olive]

I mean, your opinion Ig

[leaden flax]

TBH, I definitely prefer Hoothoot over the other birds in G1 but that might just be because I really like owls

[cedar merlin]

esepon and umbreon are peak, but aside from that, i have no strong feelings towards any other gen 2 pokemon.

[sly olive]

Starters (save for the chick) were also good ig

[cinder oasis]

I mostly meant the pokemon from gen 2, they're so incomplete

[fallen loom]

B2W2 had:
Medal Rally (Achievements)
Hidden Grottos
Pokéstar Studios
Join Avenue
Differences between different months instead of it always being default late spring/early summer of later and prior games
Pokémon World Tournament!!!

[obsidian hare]

I made my first request for a sprite

[cedar merlin]

gen 5 is absolutely peak pokemon and i will not take criticism

[obsidian hare]

100% gen 5 was the best gen

[tame flax]

I disagree

[sly olive]

No criticism here, just fax

[leaden flax]

Gen 5 has cool Pokemon, not gonna fight you on that (I mean it has Mienshao)

[tame flax]

I used to agree until recently

[sly olive]

Only problem I have with gen 5 is the starter trio being somewhat forgettable

[fallen loom]

Gen 5 also had the best Battle Tower clone with the train thing, since at least you're not stuck in the same bland room for an hour

[obsidian hare]

i really liked the gen 5 starter trio, besides tepig

[fallen loom]

Blaze Black 2/Volt White 2 are an improvement

[obsidian hare]

i dont like the OG black and white anyways

[fallen loom]

me either

[sly olive]

Didn't say I dislike the trio, just them being forgettable

[cedar merlin]

gen 5 is just... so good. great level curve, an interesting but not super-in-your-face story, interesting characters, pretty solid starters, GTS, good difficulty, difficulty modes, memorable pokemon designs, audinos to make grinding less miserable, etc etc.

[obsidian hare]

Black 2 and White 2 are what made gen 5 my favorites

[tame flax]

Looking forward to the gen 5 remakes

[sly olive]

Oh also, who the hell are the legendary deers?

[leaden flax]

Nah, they're masterpieces, I'd rather they're left alone

[fallen loom]

I'm not! They will likely skip B2W2 and make a lesser version of the original BW

[stable sand]

Eh, I've seen worse legendary trios

[tame flax]

You mean the blades of justice?

[cedar merlin]

if they mess up the gen 5 remakes I'll actually cry

[obsidian hare]

id shit my pants im going to be so honest.

[tame flax]

I'm pretty sure it's been leaked

[cedar merlin]

they're definitely coming up within a year. It's round about that time. I'm so afraid they're going to pull a BDSP and ruin them

[tame flax]

They might announce them in February

[obsidian hare]

i dont think BDSP ruint gen 4 at all imo

[sly olive]

Honestly I like gen 5 for darkrai a lot

[fallen loom]

the best part of remakes pre-LGPE was using more modern Pokémon! Now that that's not a thing anymore, we may as well just stick with the originals

[tame flax]

The thing is that base bw are actually good games, they can get the exact same treatment and still be good, I see bdsp and I see the same thing that almost made me quit years ago

[obsidian hare]

LGPE?

[cedar merlin]

It'll be interesting to see how they do it tho. Will it be the og games, or B2W2? I know they did DP instead of platinum, but BW and B2W2 are such different games. Maybe they'll go even further into the future... but that'd acutally take time and effort on GF's part lmao

[sly olive]

Tf is lgpe

[fallen loom]

Leds Goat Perka Leds Goat Eehv

[obsidian hare]

i wouldnt call those remakes persay

id be iffy to even call them mainline games

[stable sand]

I'd say it's a remake of yellow

[cedar merlin]

Diamond was my first pokemon game and I didn't finish it until a few years ago because the pacing was so bad I couldn't even make it through as a child lmao

[sly olive]

Can we just appreciate mewtwo for a second?

[cedar merlin]

i abslutely HAVE to play gen 4 on an emulator. It's too slow to play without 4x speed

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-jumpscare-gif-19782759

[obsidian hare]

gen 4's pacing wasnt that bad

[fallen loom]

LGPE are kind of mainline games considering these factors that have never been removed:
Overworld wild Pokémon (excluding BDSP)
No EXP Share off switch
Dexit (first remake to stick to only using Pokémon from the originals + Meltan line)

[obsidian hare]

the catching system seemed to make it more like they tried to make pokemon go into a mainline game and failed

I love LGPE, but it feels more like L:A than a mainline game

[fallen loom]

LA is WAY better than LGPE

[obsidian hare]

LA was the best game sense B2W2

[stable sand]

Everything in 4G was kinda slow, I didn't mind but I can understand why people didn't like it

[fallen loom]

Gen 4 was slow because GBA went at 60FPS interlaced, while the DS titles went at 30FPS

[leaden flax]

It's the one Pokémon game that makes me wish I had the Switch

[fallen loom]

I wish that SV used more LA mechanics

[obsidian hare]

I wish SV was just LA

but my biggest hot take i have on pokemon is that SV was one of the worst main line games

[fallen loom]

I liked that the dex would upgrade whenever you caught a larger/smaller Pokémon than last time, instead of saying all Pokémon are base height/weight since Gen 1

[stable sand]

Not that big of a hot take, at least I agree

[fallen loom]

I like SV more than SwSh

[obsidian hare]

most people love SV, but i personally hate almost every aspect about it.

[fallen loom]

SV's biggest issue (other than the obvious) is how annoying your "friends" are (not Arven). The DLC even doubles down on it by making you side with a legit narcissistic sociopath (what is this, Bethesda?)

[stable sand]

Most "rivals"/friends are bad imo

[fallen loom]

Penny is manipulative and a coward

[obsidian hare]

i hated the fact you just kinda have the legendary with you the entire game. the SV legendaries felt the least legendary out of every pokemon game ever.

I hated the stupid sandwhich story line

The off stories were alright at best, and the fact it was open world was neat and should be in more games, but it was just as buggy as the original gen 1 pokemon games.

The lack of paradox pokemon was dissapointing, you think they'd give it to more pokemon seeing as its the entire damned gimmick.

Teras i hated at first but only slightly grew on me and they are still the worst gimmick we've had for awhile, despite being so damn good competitively.

Penny storyline sucked

But i will say this, the starters absolutely slapped and fuecoco is one of my favorite starters we've ever had

[silent acorn]

When pokemon tries to be Persona but remembers Persona had the T+ rating

No womance

[fallen loom]

I agree on the legendary and Penny part. What I thought would happen is you'd start off with a Cyclizar and mid-late game you upgrade to the box legendary

[stable sand]

Would've been much better imo

[leaden flax]

At least, R/B/Y bugs weren't visible if you weren't actively looking for them, S/V was just ridiculous

[obsidian hare]

I also didnt like the fact that they just were motorcyles? or vehicles. for some reason???

[fallen loom]

the issue with Paradox Pokémon is there are actually quite a few, they just don't evolve or breed and half are other version exclusive

[bitter comet]

I want more world ending Legends not bikes.

[obsidian hare]

EXACLTY. necrozma and eternatus were fantastic from a story telling stand point

[stable sand]

Yeaaah, the red one doesn't even use its motorcycle part IIRC

[leaden flax]

There's a lot of variants in that gen, feels more than usual, but maybe that's just a feeling

[weak trellis]

paradoxes feel like GF's "we're bored of our usual design rules time for a "things from beyond the stars" moment" like eternatus and the ultra beasts were in previous gens

[hushed mantle]

Motorcycle dragon go BROOOOM

[leaden flax]

That disappointed me so much I hate this

[bitter comet]

Give me the doom, death and destruction I am calling for in legendary Pokémon villains

[obsidian hare]

I just hate the fact you ride your box legendary and fix it by feeding it sandwhiches

[weak trellis]

giving it HMs to unlock its skills

[obsidian hare]

Let me rephrase that first part, I hate the fact you ride your box legendary like its a normal pokemon

[hushed mantle]

Kid named latios/latias in ORAS:

[obsidian hare]

Like a tauros or something

[weak trellis]

meanwhile I'd like the option to ride a actual normal pokemon but you don't get some of the abilities

[obsidian hare]

atleast that felt different yknow.

[weak trellis]

like arcanine gets speed up but nothing else, tauros gets speed up and swimming, stantler gets like nothing, ect, ect

[leaden flax]

Yeah we never had actual flight GP before so I think that was alright

[obsidian hare]

I wish more games did flight like ORAS did

[fallen loom]

why can't we right Tauros? Fighting as a high jumper; Fire as a faster movement option; Water as a swimming option

[weak trellis]

also if you import the gen 8 wolves those are also options

[bitter comet]

Yes, let me fly on my corviknight in an open world environment

[fallen loom]

hammer time!

[hushed mantle]

Not possible, they will just get hit by tinkatons

[fallen loom]

Tauros should change with form TBH, like I listed earlier

[leaden flax]

Yeah, I wanna ride a Pokemon like Tauros, not some motorbike legendary that won't even use its wheels.

[bitter comet]

😭

[weak trellis]

I can see that

[obsidian hare]

im glad theres more people that share my disliking for the SV games

[weak trellis]

can't ride it in any area with wild tinkatons

[bitter comet]

They should bring back diving
I want to go underwater

[weak trellis]

tbh I didn't hate it (it's fine for me but not spectacular) but I'm also not gonna defend it lol

[fallen loom]

I'd rather a motorbike dino than a clown suit just to right a bike

[stable sand]

Also the shops not having interiors anymore was sad imo, small thing but it was there since 1st gen

[fallen loom]

why can we change bags, hats, glasses, gloves, socks, shoes and helmets, yet not our shirts and trousers? Team Star get to wear whatever they want at school!

[hushed mantle]

I don’t hate the legendaries being rides, what i hate is their backstory. They’re just regular ass pokemon but from the past/future. Like why from all the paradoxes, the cyclizar ones are casually legendaries

[empty pendant]

okay I genuinely liked scar/vi but it also had a lot of flaws

however, some of these are legitimately solutions to testing a new format (and others are due to the games being so rushed that things are just outside the scope of what would've been possible)

like, the box legendary being your transit gives you clear mechanical progression in your open world exploration, rather than you having to either call in someone else's 'ride pokemon' like in alola, or causing the issue of "I caught a Rookidee and level grinded it into Corviknight right away, why can't I ride it everywhere." it's your pokemon that you're riding. that's fine, I don't hate that part.

[fallen loom]

I'd rather they went the LA approach, just let you pick your own Pokémon to ride instead of set ones

[obsidian hare]

exactly

[empty pendant]

they aren't going to be able to do that unless they spend WAY more time developing these games seeing as every 'mon will need a saddle, mechanics and animations for riding it, the trainers will need animatioms, etc.

should they spend more time developing the games? yes. should they spend... all of it on making you able to Ride Any Sufficiently Big Pokemon? I'd argue no actually they should spend it on other things

It's a cost of time and resources to mke that possible vs benefit gained. The Alola/Legends Arceus/ScarVi solution of "you use These Specific Pokemon" might feel restrictive but the alternative is that the scope creep gets completely out of hand.

[fallen loom]

Cyclizar should be the default option, then later on you could ride: Tauros, Stanter, Farigiraf, box legendaries (post-game only), Sawsbuck etc...

why would every mon need a saddle? Just have large quadrupedal Pokémon ridable and nothing else

[leaden flax]

You're right, they should focus on making a functional game first... And I feel it's been harder for them to do that lately.

[empty pendant]

Instead of "Ride Any Pokemon" I'd rather they spend the time on bugfixes, QOL, accessibility options, reintroducing a separate difficulty mode like B/W had, etc

They don't even have the time to do THAT, what makes you think they could make a halfway decent game where you can ride every big quadruped

[fallen loom]

it's harder to do due to the games each gen kickstarting the TCG, Anime, merchandise etc...
Honestly, they could have taken a year off for LA DLC instead of rushing out SV

[weak trellis]

difficulty modes at this point sadly feels like a "we want every game region to feel unique" one-off since it's been so long since we last saw it in B2/W2

[empty pendant]

Really, they could stand to take a couple extra years per game in general, not even push a DLC.

[bitter comet]

But the people who want it now scream louder than the people who want them to take time to make a polished game

[weak trellis]

and with both sides screaming in general I can't blame them for proverbally purchasing earmuffs

[empty pendant]

As long as they're rushing the games though, I"d rather they not spend the time making 5 million Pokemon rideable because that'd be even less time on bugfixes, QOL, accessibility, etc

[leaden flax]

Also I feel like the games exist solely to make Pokémon for the anime, TCG, and stuff

Which is probably why they always release new mechanics each gen these days

[empty pendant]

(Not rushing the games would be even better but we can't have nice things)

You can't turn off the excessive gem lighting in Tera Raids and I have a friend who straight up can't play the games because the sparkly effects give him migraines. Not having a 'turn off Tera glow' option is a way bigger issue imo than "wahhh I can only ride the box legendary".

[leaden flax]

Yeah that's true

[obsidian hare]

i didnt even realize that as an issue

[leaden flax]

And shinies don't have jingles???

[empty pendant]

okay controverial opinion but scar/vi not having a shiny noise is a blessing in disguise with hpw many pokemon spawn inside the fucking walls

[fallen loom]

the issue isn't just rushing the games, it's also how they keep on switching to earlier version of game engines. LA had a better, more polished engine than SV!

SV has: worse lighting, worse lag, worse shiny encounters (if you can even spot them), worse battle animations, a worse story, no town missions etc...

[empty pendant]

imagine hearing the noise and you can't find the damn shiny because it's inside a rock

[leaden flax]

I mean, true but there are shinies that are almost impossible to differenciate from the regular Pokémon

[high haven]

Too be honest out of all of the raffle picks, I want Slurpuff to be added to the game

[empty pendant]

also legends arceus and scarvi had to have been in development at the same time, but legends arceus has a more restricted scope, it's not surprising to me that it's more polished

[fallen loom]

because the lighting system makes Gible go from a minor, but noticable difference to straight-up impossible to tell at night or in a cave

[hushed mantle]

Please 🙏

[fallen loom]

SV actually runs on an earlier version of the LA engine

[stable sand]

I'll be happy with Slurpuff, Meloetta, or Eelektross

[obsidian hare]

PFFFT

[high haven]

Although the favor might be in Archeops favor since they are the only Mon with double the chance of getting in

[empty pendant]

the less you do with a game, the better you can do with it

this is why things that let you interact with "every pokemon" or "any pokemon in x very large set" are features I actively don't want until they can get their shit together (aside from following pokemon and scar/vi's overworld autobattle)

there's a reason HMs like surf had vague blobs in the early games

[fallen loom]

I wish they'd just improve the lighting to make shiny hunting easier

[empty pendant]

okay same, salazzle outbreak was gaslighting me hard last night

"is that shiny? no it's just very reflective. that one? no. that on-"

(did not get a shiny)

[fallen loom]

I only found out I was in front of a shiny Pawmi because there were 4 others around it

[leaden flax]

I feel at this point even with cutting Pokémon they're having a bad time making the games. They really should be given more time to polish things and... Actually test their games before releasing too maybe.

[fallen loom]

Dexit is so stupid too, since they have the models, just change the movesets a bit

[empty pendant]

yeah for real. they just need to expand the development cycle, that'd fix so much

[hushed mantle]

The fact that the 3ds had less performance and it still has games with more pokemon than swsh and sv

[fiery elbow]

Me too. I'll be fine with Eelektross gets in but I'l be happy with Xurkitree for it's Beast boost ability and we never got an Ultra Beast in the game.

[fallen loom]

B2W2 has more than SV

this game has more non-fused Pokémon than base SwSh

SV at least had a lot of Home transfer mon

[hushed mantle]

Swsh had that too

[fallen loom]

not as many

[hushed mantle]

And the dlc mons too

[fallen loom]

I mean base game, pre-DLC

[hushed mantle]

True that

[fiery elbow]

RIght! They keep making excuses for Dexit like for the graphics, animation, not enough space or time where they suppose to future proof those models so Dexit wouldn't happened in the first place. Dexit onyl happen because they just want to make money from Pokemon Home by keeping your pokemon there forever instead of all of them in one game.

[fallen loom]

yet Pokémon Bank never made a lame excuse like that

[white meadow]

corporations suddently getting greedy the moment they realize how profitable stuff can be

[stable sand]

Pokemon in actual 3D (X/Y) was a mistake, I feel like it got worse each game almost every time since then

[hushed mantle]

I think it has gotten better, but it took so long

[white meadow]

better?

i would argue that the games look better on the ds

[hushed mantle]

Yeah, in sv we got better models and animations

[leaden flax]

Nah, we could've had so much more if it stayed 2D

[stone cliff]

I feel like if they wanted to "modernize" the graphics they should have just vectorized them

Paper Mario style

[white meadow]

they were actually acceptable on the 3ds

[stone cliff]

Reminder that they literally took the 3DS models and ported them to console

[leaden flax]

Yeah

[white meadow]

but when the switch can run stuff like odyssey they have no excuse

[stone cliff]

Then the "we don't have every pokemon because we wanted to work on the animations more"
Blastoise still hydro pumps from his head

They should have been honest and said "We wanna lock the other pokemon behind DLC"

[leaden flax]

3D should really just've been kept to the Stadium games

[white meadow]

gallade, use zen headbutt! punch

[leaden flax]

(And other spin offs)

[stone cliff]

I can't wait for gen 10 when you can buy all the pokemon for 80 bucks, or each one for 99 cents

Sorry, I mean 8000 poke coins and 99 poke coins, and you can only buy the coins in quantities of 60

[fallen loom]

SwSh has a total of 664 Pokémon, including DLC and transfer-only
So far SV has 587 Pokémon including from the first DLC and transfer

excluding transfer-only forms

[stone cliff]

Red/Blue HD remake with only the original 151 when?
(Oh my God I just realized they already did this as I was typing it)

[fallen loom]

They should have said "We want to lock Pokémon away, some of them even for multiple generations at a time"

[stone cliff]

"But Charizard will always be available and get the new gimmick every time"

[fallen loom]

SV will have 673 minimum if you include the Pokémon seen in trailers

[white meadow]

i mean define "hd"

[stable sand]

They should cash in on showdown and make their own version by using Pokemon Home, and make the main games have only their own pokedex, at least they wouldn't have to make stupid excuses

[white meadow]

tbh the let's go games have a better scaling and an actually good pokemon following mechanic

[stone cliff]

Yeah, a new, online pokemon Stadium would be sick

[fallen loom]

worm Rayquaza

[white meadow]

like the pokemon actually feel like they are at the right size instead of something like onyx being shorter than the player

[sullen elbow]

Yeah, the mons themselves look better in SV, its just most other things don't hold up to the switch's standarts

[stone cliff]

Yeah, Breath of the Wild/Tears of the Kingdom really takes a lot of Nintendo's arguments and stomps on them lol

[leaden flax]

Considering how they seem to believe that kids don't have the attention span to play games these days, at this point, yeah...

[fallen loom]

I'm guessing SV will wind up with around 700/1025~ total Pokémon (About 68%)

[bold flax]

For the love of god please any number but 4 on the raffle. Chingling/Chimecho add literally nothing; also; kinda surprised Popllio was a valid choice because it's a starter so you'd expect Rowlet/Litten lines too

[stone cliff]

I disagree, Chingling and Chimecho are cute AF and add bell designed fusions

[cinder oasis]

Wrong

[cinder oasis]

Chimecho I pray doesn't get added

[bold flax]

And are you actually ever going to fuse Chingling with anything? Or Chimecho for that matter being the most milk toast Psychic-type ever with literally nothing special?

[Also if you want cool psychics Solrock and Lunatone are right there]

[stone cliff]

If the sprite is good, yeah

[stone cliff]

I also would like Solrock and Lunatone

[sullen elbow]

I'd take chimeco over shaymin tbh

[cinder oasis]

Honestly I don't like them either but they're better than chimecho

[bold flax]

Solrock and Lunatone at least have wide movepools and also help enable the rare special-rock attackers, also Sun and Moon fusions

[stone cliff]

Reposting my (very quickly done) case for Solrock

[obtuse silo]

speaking of what color for hands?

[cinder oasis]

I prefer the yellow

[stone cliff]

I'd say red 100%

[bold flax]

I'd lean towards the red personally, but maybe a slightly reddish version of the yellow?

[stone cliff]

Well, it looks like we're meant to disagree on everything

[obtuse silo]

damn so no clear winner lol

[stone cliff]

Maybe make the hands fire?

[bold flax]

The red contrasts more IMO so stands out more

[obtuse silo]

maybe i just keep both

[sullen elbow]

The red feels too dark although I get that it is just solrocks eye color

[stone cliff]

Red with yellow outline? 🤔

[obtuse silo]

yeah i could make it lighter

i think i keep it with one color

[stone cliff]

(Or yellow with red outline)

[stone cliff]

Fair, that's how it is on Cofagrigus normally, right?

[obtuse silo]

yeah and idk if it would still have that goest feel with multiple colors

honestly the fact that lunatone and solrock bring levitate as rock type is kinda nice

[stone cliff]

Honestly I'm rooting for my boi Claydol

[radiant briar]

Why is Archeops in the raffle twice?

[stable sand]

Same guy won twice

[empty pendant]

the problem with getting lunatone and solrock is:

solrock head: ✅
solrock body: oh no

[white meadow]

Now show me bods for Solrock

[obtuse silo]

how would klink look with solrock body?

[glossy osprey]

nah solrock we can get like custom planets and with lunatone custom half planets it would be fun!

[white meadow]

Fusions of the best UB imo

[obtuse silo]

like just a bigger klink?

[white meadow]

That server made me love this Damn clown

[glossy osprey]

mechanical planet that grows bigger with each evo

like saturn or something for kinglang

and with lots of cogs and stuff

[obtuse silo]

idk when i think about it i just imagine the klink but bigger and rounder lol

i started lunaton with gengar a while a go but i was stuck and stopped

but there is propably someone who can make it look awesome

[glossy osprey]

yeah, any mon can be awesome with a touch of creativity

[dense tide]

You know….the Pokémon company is pissing me off for not adding more fossil mon

[sand mica]

Where's my Stegosaurus Pokémon? We never got a proper whole Stegosaurus.

[obtuse silo]

you fuse sandslash with aurorus

i dont like how all the old fossils are rock type

[sand mica]

The best one in the raffle is the one with duplicate choices so that better win.

[alpine rune]

Why? whats wrong with this adorable fella?

[dense tide]

I mean I can understand that, but you understand why right? It’s all about da lore

[void roost]

What is the canvas size to make a sprite? I am planning to make a Remoraid head Meowth body fusion based on Trigger Happy from Skylanders

[alpine rune]

#spriting-guidelines and its 96x96 resized to nearest neighbor to 288x288.

[obtuse silo]

i know.. personally i think it should all be design based

[void roost]

Sorry, didn't find that channel >^<

[alpine rune]

I don't want to be that guy but this is not the best place ask question and answer. Head over to #general :)

[obtuse silo]

propably spriting discussion

[alpine rune]

Oh thats a thing now?

[alpine rune]

Oh yea it is #spriting-discussion

finally I wont get massacred for asking questions in spriter general

[dark prism]

ikr

[violet grove]

does necrozma currently have no fusions in the game?

[alpine rune]

kinda

its still new, it was released a week ago. Let the spriters cook ig

[violet grove]

ye ye, I wasn't trying to say 'why havent people made them', just didn't know if any customs were pushed into game fast or if it's currently got none as it says on FusionDex

[alpine rune]

idk if you have some ideas maybe fork some over to #sprite-requests and #artwork idk

[alpine rune]

it be like that

[coarse karma]

I "tried" to make a Shinx/Tynamo fusion but it turned out looking wonky as heck. Tynamo's body is soooooo small. I envy anyone who's able to do ANYTHING with that size of a sprite. o-o

[cedar merlin]

maybe a custom base would be the way to go with tynamo? that rhymed

[dark prism]

they usually update as the sprite packs come out

iirc

[alpine rune]

fuse it with joltik

NOW

[silent acorn]

Damn this is a late hour to be lurking round deez parts

[lucid ibex]

Are they planning on adding any of the generation 9 evolutions like annialape, kingambit, etc? I assume it won't be soon if they do since they just added a ton of new pokemon but I was just wondering.

[vagrant rune]

No, Pokémon from 8-9 won't be added

I asked that time ago, they told that they cannot do that for certain limitations or something like that

[plucky bobcat]

Certain limitations...like Game File Space? I mean, now that we have over 1000 Pokemon, that would mean over 1 million possible combinations.

[lucid ibex]

so they're like never adding gen 8 and 9 pokemon?

[plucky bobcat]

Not if they don't want to make the game so filled that your computer space will be eaten up. Plus, with Pokemon like Flutter Mane, Ursaluna, Annihilape, Dracovish and Dragapult, some of these Pokemon would create fusions that are too powerful and could break the game.

[vagrant rune]

No, I remember they told that it's something related with the data they use to insert the Pokémon, but I'm not completely sure. I asked this when they announced they will add new Pokémon, because I thought a good way to go would had been starting with evolutions of Pokémon that are in the game, but they were clear with this not happening

[glossy osprey]

this is pinworthy

[plucky bobcat]

So you're saying that they specifically said that they won't add Pokemon like Annihilape, Ursaluna or Farigiraf

[vagrant rune]

Any Pokémon from gen 8 and upper

[vagrant rune]

I mean, I'm not staff and I'm talking from what I remember. I may be wrong

[glossy osprey]

I mean in a general sense a statement from devs or something about them not planning to add gen 8 and 9

[zealous flint]

Gen 8-9 counts legends arceus and bdsp as well (but nobody cares about bdsp)

[prime dust]

#pif-hoenn-discussion message the exact message

[plucky bobcat]

BDSP Didn't even introduce any new Pokemon

[zealous flint]

Yeah i know, just bringing it up or something

[vagrant rune]

Yep, I remember this correctly then

[prime dust]

but the reason is due to RPG Maker and Pokemon Essentials; when Frogman was making the game, he did it in Essentials V18...somewhere early in dev he tried to update it to a higher version while keeping the custom code for the game, it...didn't go well

since then it has been scrapped as a thing

in order to get anything from Gen 8 or 9 you'd need to either:

• Take the existing code of the game as it is and somehow update to V21 of Essentials
  or
• Revert V21 Essentials code/data to V18 and make sure it works with the existing game code

[queen tree]

Is centiskorch gonna be added

[prime dust]

if it is gen 8 or 9, the answer is No

[queen tree]

Is golissopod gonna be added?

[prime dust]

this also includes game remakes and side games as well in that timeline[ i.e., BDSP, Legends Arceus]

[prime dust]

maybe; no guarantees

new mons will be added either as Frogman has the time or feels like expanding the dex again

[queen tree]

Ok thank you

[coarse karma]

You wouldn't want me to, look at my hotdog shaped Shinx

[alpine rune]

So that's what mickey mouse meant when he said hot dog

[coarse karma]

[prime dust]

acceptable losses

[coarse karma]

@dreamy coyote Used your custom base Tynamo btw :)

Giving credit before I get called out.

[dreamy coyote]

aight

thanks

[coarse karma]

Crafted an evolution too

looong shinx

[dreamy coyote]

nice

[coarse karma]

Ima be honest, your custom gen6 Tynamo is cute.

[agile olive]

yeah this is the reason. it would be a shitload of work to update the engine and keep allll of the custom code added for the fusion stuff, not really much point

[dreamy coyote]

thanks, i appreciate it

[lucid ibex]

Is there like a way they could add brand new pokemon to older versions of the code?

like as if the pokemon was a "fakemon"

[prime dust]

they'd still need the Essentials data for it

so...see the latter half of that statement

i.e., find a way to downgrade v21 to v18 and make it function with the spaghetti of IF

[lucid ibex]

so to add any fakemon to a essentials project you need to be on the most recent version?

[prime dust]

they aren't going to add fakemon

[lucid ibex]

well I mean they add "fakemon" but the fakemon are actually just gen 8 and 9 pokemon as "fakemon"

[prime dust]

only pokemon that are from an actual game

in order to add stuff from gen 8 or 9 the options are:
keep the existing code and find a way to update to v21 of essentials, or find a way to downgrade v21 of essentials to v18 and keep the existing code

again^^^ one of these would need to be true for that to occur because they would need the data of the pokemon, which means they aren't "fakemon" at that point

they'd just outright be those pokemon

[lucid ibex]

so even if you tried to "lie to the code" and code a gen 8 or 9 pokemon as a fakemon in the code, you'd need the data from the gen 8 or 9 pokemon and you can't create brand new data?

[agile olive]

I think what boomy is saying is they are just wondering how much would be possible to add in the systems we have now, ignoring new gen specific stuff like certain new abilities and moves that would need new code

[lucid ibex]

pretty much

[prime dust]

mons from those gens, even if they were "fake" would need their relavent data

which would include, abilities/moves/stats/natures/etc...all of which needs a higher version of essentials

in short, unless one of those 2 requirements are met, it can't be done in any capacity

[lucid ibex]

I think I understand. If you can't tell I don't know one bit of code

[prime dust]

lol

[glossy osprey]

making a xurkitree sprite rn and my god he is tough, keeping track of the cables

[analog shard]

xurkitree is one of those pokemon that feels like they made it to spite spriters lol

brambleghast is another

[prime dust]

could you cheesewaffle it by making it a ben 10 fusion?

Feedback

[glossy osprey]

I could see this as guzzlord head xurkitree body

[humble remnant]

Claydol

[lethal reef]

Pouring one out for this image, RIP to golisopod 😔

[plucky bobcat]

Wait, what is this about?

[late torrent]

Maybe it will get in soon 😦

[coarse karma]

Could maybe also barely wing it as a Electivire/Xurktree fusion joke alt.

[coarse karma]

it was their votes, what they hoped would get in.

[lethal reef]

From the early propaganda days, we got scolipede and necrozma, but sadly golisopod isn't in the shortlist for the spriters choice so won't have a chance at getting in (yet)

I should have done more blitz fusions to give golisopod a stronger vote, but alas my hands are weak 😔

[cinder oasis]

I have no idea how golisopod wasn't a contest raffle winner

[arctic glacier]

where Bruxish?

[coarse karma]

Gone with Kiwi somewhere /s

Had to make the joke.

[coarse karma]

It lost to Oricorio

for an honest answer.

[regal skiff]

When do we get some night form lycanrock fusion's I've checked the calculator and there are none

[crude vortex]

add them to your game manually from #sprite-gallery or wait for the next sprite pack

[agile olive]

yeah the new mons you're gonna have to add sprites for manually because they were announced after the pack

[tranquil path]

itll fix once december comes around right or will it be later?

[light onyx]

how do i evolve rockruff?

[tranquil path]

lvl 25, the form you get depends on the time of day

[light onyx]

can i get dusk form

[brisk vessel]

Nope

[prime dust]

yes, all the new mons by then will have some semblance of customs in the packs

[coarse karma]

What if I make non-if psyduck fusions for the potential raffle mon

here you guys go /s

But in all seriousness, I can't wait for reveal next week.

[high haven]

Honestly, was quietly rooting for the big boi after Scolipede got announced.

[frank oxide]

i hope slrupuff,lunarock or the electric guy gets added

[worldly walrus]

Where do you find the jaw fossil?

[shadow sonnet]

sabrina city i think

saffron

[coarse karma]

I made some tasty cake ducks

[coarse karma]

I'd be down for Slurpuff.

[eager jungle]

If you want to know where to find the new pokémons added in the 6.0, check the 6.0 changelog : https://pastebin.com/pLzr4dhq that was posted in this announcement #announcements message

P.S. : there's a ||venipede egg|| hidden in the ||viridian forest|| that isn't mentioned in the changelog yet

[sleek skiff]

I hope they add creluedge and armarouge some day

[hushed mantle]

Keep hoping

[fleet quail]

Anyone else notice the Archen line is down twice for the contest entrants in Announcements or is that intentional?

[eager jungle]

we can't, they aren't in Poké Essentials

[eager jungle]

it's because this line was submitted twice

[fleet quail]

Ah ok

[wicked belfry]

i am taking it with new pokemon that might be added new fusion sprites would get added

[oblique granite]

Man, I'm not liking all this hate that Shaymin is getting

[lofty spindle]

It has 2 forms, so it's ok in my book.

[leaden flax]

I think it's a cute Pokémon, so as it is I don't mind it (in my opinion, there are worse mythicals), I just personally don't see it as a particularly fun fusion material (not saying you can't do great things with it though)

[wicked belfry]

Saymun itself is fun but not sure a legendary is what im waiting for to be added

Fusions usually are cool but i personally do not like to use legendaries in runs

[leaden flax]

Understandable, I don't usually run legendaries (or mythicals) either

[zenith relic]

Watch when Sheymen gets in, we gonna have sooo many Sonic references

[leaden flax]

True

[zenith relic]

Just imagine, one of the Pink Pokemon makes Amy, Zoroark Shadow, Reshiram Silver

[restive folio]

Guess all chances of zygarde being in game are lost now 😦
Atleast necrozma got in

[wide quarry]

wait, there was a vote for zygarde vs necrozma?

[robust geyser]

I like Shaymin, but honestly we already have a lot of flower/garden mons on IF

[restive folio]

No , I just wanted like a few pokemon which I liked to be in the game which included zygarde and necrozma

And necrozma got in

[wicked belfry]

poor sandslash be crying right now

[leaden flax]

It's going to lose that niche (or not)

[agile olive]

thanks for doing my suggestion

[eager jungle]

you're welcome

[wicked belfry]

if poplio gets added do the other starters also get added automaticly?

[leaden flax]

Nah

It's the same with Archen line, it's not coming with its counterpart

[wicked belfry]

well thats a given tho

[eager jungle]

no

[wicked belfry]

all fossils are kinda separate only being released in the same gen at max. while starters are kinda like a collection. but fair enough

weird then poplio got so much and its not rowlet or litten

[eager jungle]

what do you mean by "got so much" ?

[leaden flax]

It's still only a chance out of 12

[eager jungle]

technically, it's 1/11 since archeops is two time in

[wicked belfry]

as in that poplio is in the list of contest winners while rowlet and litten basicly not there

[eager jungle]

yeah, because the other contests winners didn't choosed the other starters, that's all

[sterile spoke]

This isn't related the the polls at all. 😂

The people who won the contests just picked what they personally wanted to get added. 🙂

Hence Archen being in there twice, because the person who wanted it won two contests. 😄

[leaden flax]

But doesn't Archeops count for two slots then? It'd be back to 1/12 regardless... Then again, IDK how they're going to make the pick aside from possible random

[wicked belfry]

yeah i always thought generally poplio was the least liked of the 3 but that explains it then

[leaden flax]

Point is, it's not like Popplio was selected just yet

[eager jungle]

yes, archeops count for 2 slots, but if you take any other pokémon than archeops, it has less chance to go in, if you take every pokémon, it's near 1/11 (if my brain math are corrects)

[eager jungle]

the selection will be done live as stated in the announcement

[lofty spindle]

Does that not mean Archeops would only appear once in the selection? Because then the contest winner picking it twice would have been pointless.

Actually pinging for this as getting this wrong could skewer the raffle results.

[alpine rune]

I feel like it's not slot based, more like line based.

[wicked belfry]

so wait if you vote archeops in slot 1 does it also count as a vote for slot 2?

[eager jungle]

each of the twelve has 1/12 except archeops doesn't have 1/12 it has 2/12

[eager jungle]

you don't vote

it's a randomly selected line

that's why i say that archeops has more odd to be in that any other ones

[lofty spindle]

Imagine it like this, you have 12 tickets in a bowl, one of which will be randomly pulled out.
Each ticket has the same chance to be pulled, to be the one out of the twelve.
It does not become one out of eleven even though Archeops has two tickets that could be picked.

[wicked belfry]

is it 1 random select or 2 or 3?

[agile olive]

all this is answered in the announcement

[alpine rune]

Archeops has 1/6 chance to get in essentially

[eager jungle]

#announcements message

[alpine rune]

Here's a visual presentation

[lofty spindle]

This must be so frustrating to deal with Crab.

[lofty spindle]

That's... just 8.

[alpine rune]

Too lazy to write the others. Use your imagination

Basically archeops appears twice in a wheel

[wicked belfry]

sorry my b. i read past it

[alpine rune]

Fuck it, ima just humor you

[eager jungle]

it'll more look like this if we take only odds per pokémon

[alpine rune]

Spin it

[eager jungle]

nope

[lofty spindle]

I do actually like the former interpretation better, as it better represents the idea of there being two Archeops tickets, so to speak.

[eager jungle]

yes, but one spin is per line, the other is per pokémon, even tho the result is the same they aren't the same

[alpine rune]

Anyways, propaganda's back on the menu

[sterile spoke]

Is it? This is all up to chance. 😛

[lofty spindle]

Considering the constant questions about Archeops's and especially Primarina's counterparts, maybe they should have been veto'd.

[eager jungle]

nah, we enjoy the chaos

[alpine rune]

Gotta use the channel to its limit before it got thanos snapped

[lofty spindle]

In that case,

Primarina comes with tge other gen 7 starters, right?

[alpine rune]

What's the grass type again?

[eager jungle]

no

[alpine rune]

I only remember inceneroar

[leaden flax]

Decidueye

[eager jungle]

the grass owl

[sterile spoke]

How do you not remember Decidueye? It was even in Legends. 😂

[alpine rune]

Wait that's gen 7?

[sterile spoke]

Yes. 🙂

[alpine rune]

I thought it's gen 6

[leaden flax]

Nah gen 6's water starter is Greninja

[alpine rune]

What's the gras- oh

[sterile spoke]

Chesnaught, which is so painfully bland. 😛

[alpine rune]

Yea I can see why quilladin is forgettable

[eager jungle]

imo, chesnaught has a better design than greninja

[alpine rune]

Swampert peak Pokémon. #definitelybiased

[leaden flax]

I don't really dislike its design, but there are definitely better plant starter out there in that department in my opinion

[wicked belfry]

torterra still be peak for me

[leaden flax]

It's my favorite too

[wicked belfry]

mans got a whole tree on its back

[leaden flax]

If it existed it'd be the perfect starter Pokemon for chilling and stuff

[eager jungle]

perfect yes and no, he's huge

[leaden flax]

I always liked imagining how it would be as a kid

[wicked belfry]

if i had to choose a pokemon to have irl for relaxing it has to be a snorelax or slacking

[alpine rune]

I'd go for chansey

[lofty spindle]

I wanna cuddle an Audino...

[wicked belfry]

lets be fair jurachi is prob the best. its a tiny little cuddle thing that grants an wish and knows how to rest. or kengaskan if you want a perent figure

[leaden flax]

2,2 meters is not that big for a Pokémon TBH it's basically a car. Though I guess you couldn't bring that mon in your house in most cases that's for sure

[wicked belfry]

are we going off detective pikachu logic tho? because then they huge

[leaden flax]

Just looking at wiki data, IDK how big they are in detective pikachu

[wicked belfry]

the are basicly full mountain size

[leaden flax]

Sheesh

Alright that's pretty big lmao

[iron quartz]

Torterra

[lofty spindle]

Were they not experimented on there?

[wicked belfry]

imagine having that in your garden

[iron quartz]

Honestly can you blame them?
They do have giant things on their back

[wicked belfry]

yeah but also we have not seen the original sized once so this is the only thing to go off

[brave vapor]

The only thing except the pokedex? That lists their size?

[wicked belfry]

yeah

but then again pokedex was also not fully used to messure the pokemon in that movie

like some where slightly smaller and some slightly biggere

[lofty spindle]

Well that suggests the Pokédex is accurate for size measures.

[brave vapor]

Torterra was also in the anime and looks to be around the 2.2

[agile olive]

anime and pokedex tend to disagree though, like charizard is supposed to be 4 foot per the pokedex

[lofty spindle]

Ash's Charizard is specifically shown to be an unusual height, I recall?

[agile olive]

hmmm maybe, don't remember

[wicked belfry]

still funny charizard is barly bigger then a human

compare to like some others that are like randomly big even tho they seem tiny

[white meadow]

We know Pokemon can have very diffrent sized

[brave vapor]

Yeah the pokedex is an average

[raw bison]

Having the dex keep track of the smallest and largest of a species you've seen and just like, letting you see the stats like size distribution would be a cute idea, but probably too much work for too little payout even in a mainline game, unless it tied into the story and/or game mechanics somehow

Something kind of like how Legends Arceus did it, where the dex is a compilation of your field notes akin to a real wildlife biologist collecting data. Catch the shinx, whip out the tape measurer, give him a pat on the head and a treat and release em

[lofty spindle]

And then eventually this happens.

[little plover]

that is a really heavy zorua

[stable sand]

I have the screen right here if you want

[lofty spindle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/543958354377179176/1172637660335050832/338.143.png?ex=656a456c&is=6557d06c&hm=41000e64a9d946a56918c5a950a091ce84261950764f278108afbb6c5fab24d6&

[dark prism]

thats one DENSE boi

[white meadow]

Solid rock water/Ground

2 time weak to grass

Even better
Shell smash sounds nice

[dapper cloud]

do you get ultra necrozma from the quest or is there another way? I'm playing with randomizer on and was wondering if I could turn my necrozma ultra

[prime dust]

if you have his z stone, then you can

[teal geyser]

Is Golisopod in the game yet?

[golden acorn]

No

[teal geyser]

Damn

[chilly cypress]

Did you guys manage to get a Scolipede with speed boost? no matter what I do it's poison point and swarm

[brisk vessel]

Speed Boost is the hidden ability tbf

[white meadow]

Find a HA mon
Fuse it with scoli (HA should be body and the HA of it should be selected)
Reverse
Unfuse
Now your scoli should have Speed Boost

[chilly cypress]

Alright, I was unsure because even the ability capsule didn't work

[white meadow]

But idk if they fixed it

[chilly cypress]

That's also possible never had trouble to get the HA before, I'll try still, thanks

[clever atlas]

DAMN BOEH HE THICC

[white meadow]

Morning

Now that I think of it clay pokemon would be cool so claydol is not that bad

[lofty spindle]

We have Golurk.

[hazy kite]

Is there a calculator for the new pokemon yet?

[clever atlas]

?tag daena

[opal trail]

https://if.daena.me/

[tranquil bear]

the newly added pokemon just show up as question marks for me, and when I try to unfuse it it turns into a random fusion that duplicates every time I try to unfuse it. what do I do?

[tame flax]

Do you know if those fusions have official art?

Or a custom sprite rather

The last calc did the same thing if there was no custom

[tranquil bear]

they weren't custom sprites, the two I've encountered this with so far are lycanroc and slugma

not slugma

[tranquil bear]

the pre-evo of goodra

[tame flax]

Also, cake boi hype

[hazy kite]

is there also a way to download all of the autogen sprites for the new pokemon? Is there a pack somewhere that I missed?

[tame flax]

It's too late now, the raffle candidates have been revealed and he ain't there

Really hoping slurpuff gets in

I started the slurpuff hype train, so it'd be an amazing turnabout

[sand mica]

I'll do it anyways, this will make it more likely it will get in sooner.

[tame flax]

Not really

[fresh salmon]

Btw, I'm surprised Spheal didn't make both of the cuts

[tame flax]

This whole thing has been a popularity contest, and skuntank just isn't popular

[tame flax]

There's a lot of mons I'm surprised didn't make it

[fresh salmon]

I was aware Ludicolo would make a rough cut, yes

[tame flax]

No UBs, no golisopod, hell lycanroc didn't even make the cut, he was a contest winner choice

Or was he the spriter vote?

[empty pendant]

lycanroc was spriter vote

[tame flax]

Honestly, I think a lot of people had the mentality of down voting mons they liked that they assumed were popular to give their other choices a higher chance

[fresh salmon]

I hope Xurkitree gets chosen out of the vote poll

[tame flax]

I'm hoping for slurpuff

Like I said, I started that hype train, I gotta hope he makes it to the destination

[empty pendant]

I'd be down for cable management, eel, birb, cupcake, or hatsune miku

[fresh salmon]

1. Xurkitree
2. Eelektross
3. Meloetta
4. Shaymin
5. Slurpuff
6. Torkoal
7. Archeops
8. Claydol
9. Chimecho
10. Solrock/Lunatone
11. Primarina

[fresh salmon]

I don't really mind the 10 first, just please no primarina

[empty pendant]

I'll be disappointed if we get solrock/lunatone or chimecho

[fresh salmon]

They're more on the weaker side of the poll

I mean, if I did a sprite for the contests back in the time I'd put Ludicolo

I mean, what is Primarina even doing here?

[vagrant rune]

Because I picked it

[fresh salmon]

Cool but I want Rowlet in that case

That's the big problem, that it's part of a starter trio and it's imo the weakest of the 3 alolan starters

I don't really mind Primarina that much, it's more that if Primarina makes the cut then why not Decidueye?

[vagrant rune]

Because I want Primarina

[fresh salmon]

I respect that

It's just that if Primarina enters I'd like it to enter with Decidueye and Incineroar

[vagrant rune]

I can disagree with the thing it's the weakest, plus the only reason most people is using the "I don't want Primarina without the rest" is not because they don't want one starter above others but because they don't want Primarina having the spotlight the series never gave to this line. If it would had been Greninja, for example, this argument would be less common

[fresh salmon]

tbh Greninja is overrated

[prime dust]

i'd still complain if it was just greninja

[vagrant rune]

Basically, I feel the argument quite hypocrital

[empty pendant]

I like Primarina and I won't be unhappy if we get it. We do need more fairy types!

[fresh salmon]

And if I were to pick a frog ninja Pokémon I'd pick Toxicroak, since it wastes less spots than Greninja

[grave jolt]

My personal hope is for either 8 or 9 on the image

[empty pendant]

"I don't want Primarina without the other starters" doesn't hold tons of weight given that we straight up had Regigigas and not the other reggies

[vagrant rune]

Primarina is good material for fusions in each Pokémon of the line, plus I had personal reasons of wanting it on the game since it's my gf favorite and the only reason I wanted to win a contest was to suggest it

[fresh salmon]

And we can't get Eleki and Drago

I'd love to see eleki fusions

[empty pendant]

If we get either Primarina or Meloetta I promise to make at least one Kaede Akamatsu reference

And if it's Primarina I'll do Sayaka Miki too

[vagrant rune]

Popplio is a seal with clown attributes and has bubbles gimmick
Brionne is basically a magical girl version of Popplio. Less clown and keeping the bubble gimmick (now with rainbow colors)
Primarina is a mermaid

[agile sun]

i like primarina line cuz i like circus ref

but nah one starter without the others looks so weird to me same, same as xurkitree without the others UB

[vagrant rune]

Has fusion potential in every member and this is the most important thing in this project

Decidueye okay, but pretty sure people ignores Dartrix when they prioritize Decidueye over Primarina. Same with Torracat

[empty pendant]

I mean, think of it this way: if Primarina gets in, that pretty much guarantees Decidueye and Incineroar next time the dex gets expanded

[vagrant rune]

Maybe the other two are more popular, but fusion-wise, Primarina line is the best

[agile sun]

i think that decidueye is my fav last evolved in that gen but primarina is so good too and the line is really more consistent ngl

[vagrant rune]

Exactly. It's an early access, but would confirm the other two in next updates

[agile sun]

but im gonna really feel a bit weird if one of them join and the others dont idk

[craggy lynx]

Praying that either Eelektross, Archeops or Slurpuff makes it in

These three are the ones that i care most, though, it feels somewhat unlikely that they win

Except for Archeops, just for the fact that it appears twice, increasing the odds a bit

[vagrant rune]

Just think about it like Charizard in XY, SwSh and SV, which is the thing GF does all the time with this Pokémon

[empty pendant]

primarina/gallade but it's sayaka, think about it

[agile sun]

i dont have a switch

i want to make a voltorb/popplio that is like a popplio playing with a pokeball

[empty pendant]

"soreile what is it with you and references" i wake up and choose violence every day

[agile sun]

its a good mindset lmao

[vagrant rune]

In summary:

• XY: Charizard has two megas, the other two one
• SwSh: Charizard was in in main gale. The other two were obtainable in DLC (and in Home release)
• SV: The same thing but more aggresive because they aren't even programmed

If people has problems with Primarina I hope they see the same issue with Charizard as well

At least this is a fangame, but the Charizard thing happens in the main games

[empty pendant]

oh I think gamefreak's charizard favoritism is pretty tiring

[agile sun]

i was a charizard fan when i was a kid probably for the focus on it in the anime but now charizard for me its like whatever tbh idk

[craggy lynx]

Why do they give the boring orange dragon all the attention?
Like c'mon there are way more interesting starters to give love.

Like dayum

[agile sun]

maybe gf do these things with charizard cuz they is the one who kids like more between the kanto starters? no idea

[empty pendant]

I like Charizard, I just think it should share the spotlight.

[agile sun]

fr venusaur is so cool and so underrated its sad

[craggy lynx]

I kinda doubt that, because nowadays we have Skeledirge, Decidueye, Infernape, etc... Pretty sure they're gonna make more kids go: "woah this is cool!!!!"

[vagrant rune]

I never was a Charizard fan. I always prefered Blastoise. And I criticize this favoritism in these 3-4 Pokémon they use for everything. Even with Gengar, who's my second favorite Pokémon, I criticize when GF use it over other ghosts when there's no need to use it all the time (like the recent music video where they used it over any Paldea Pokemon)

[agile sun]

if primarina join its gonna be a cool material but im gonna miss the others ngl (mainly decidueye cuz i have a sprite for it lost in my files lol)

[vagrant rune]

Decidueye was my starter in SM, but the reasons I have to prefer Primarina are more than "I like Decidueye more"

[agile sun]

ngl im gonna feel a bit weird if the dino bird join and the turtle dont too

[vagrant rune]

My favorites are already in IF, I don't need my 268743587th favorite if I have the chance to choose between potential and favoritism

[inland jewel]

Frogman has confirmed that any pokemon that list gets in their counterparts won't

so Primarina will be included without Incineroar and Decidueye, Archeops with no Carracosta,
Xurkitree with no other Ultra Beasts

[agile sun]

btw if primarina join, that means that the others of the line are join in a next update and im gonna feel like more weird yet for know that they are join before the gen 5 starters lmaoooo

[agile sun]

we know that ig lol

[inland jewel]

To be fair, in the polls Gen 5 starters were the weakest voted out of the remaining gnes

[vagrant rune]

Imo Gen 5 starters are probably the starters with less fusion potential. Most are themes that are already in the game and with middle evos that are too basic or too "filler"

[empty pendant]

the gen 5 starters are pretty mid

aside from grass snek

[vagrant rune]

Gen 7 are the starters with the best fusion potential. Probably Torracat the least because it's Litten but bigger but the rest are quite solid

[agile sun]

i think that samurott have some potential as head fusion but i dont like that gen too tbh

just talking about logistic yknow

[vagrant rune]

And the people who wanted gen 6 starters wanted it mostly for Greninja than for the other 8 Pokémon

[agile sun]

greninja is goat but i think that delphox can have a crazy potential too

[empty pendant]

Delphox is lovely. I don't like Greninja.

[vagrant rune]

I wrote an entire essay of why people should vote these starters over the rest when community polls, but considering I wasn't being heard I decided to win and try to add Primarina for my own way

[inland jewel]

I mean it was heard, they dev just removed them from the poll because they took 9 slots each

[vagrant rune]

And people can tell me that 7.0 would add them but who knows what will happen in the future. Maybe they add gen 5 and gen 6 and before reaching gen 7 they are out of space

[inland jewel]

otherwise the community poll would have been Sableye, Gen 6-7 starters, and Gen 7 legend

[vagrant rune]

I mean because people kept voting Gen 6 for Greninja

[inland jewel]

i voted gen 6 for Chesnaught, I hate greninja

but Gen 6 beat Gen 7 by 2%

[vagrant rune]

I voted alolan starters for the three starters, but most importantly for Primarina

[inland jewel]

Its literally impossible to run out of space now due to how things work, Gamefreak needs to release at least 1000 new generations each with 100 new mons before we run out

[inland jewel]

and I want it to win the raffle, Primarina is my favorite gen 7 starter

To put it in perspective, The amount of pokemon in the game previously was 176,000
The amount in the game now is 460. Think of all the extra space we have

[vagrant rune]

I mean, I cannot know how the project works internally, but I think that if adding all Pokémon were possible then they would add them already instead of making people choose

[inland jewel]

No, the factor now isn't SPACE. Its TIME.

laymen's terms, Frogman isn't paid to sit and code in the rest of the pokemon

He does all of this in his free time, between social obligations, jobs, and self care

so its only a matter of time before the rest of the pokemon up to gen 7, we're just voting which ones get in FIRST

[vagrant rune]

If that's the case then good. The only thing that will happen if Primarina (or Archeops, or Xurkitree) wins is that they gain an early access

Probably the next update will add the rest

[inland jewel]

and people being angry at their misplacement for sprite numbers, like how some prevos are right now

[vagrant rune]

Tbh I feel more frustrating the preevo misplacement than whatever could happen with starter placement

I don't think it would change too much if instead rowlet-litten-popplio is popplio-rowlet-litten

[inland jewel]

it would most likely be Primarina, a bunch of mons, then rowlet, litten

But that was because beforehand Frogman just added mons, and not evo lines.

We had Bidoof, and Shedinja with no prevos/evos

like, we can do funny wonderguard shenanigans Don't need Nincada or Ninjask because who wants those right? We already got speedboost with Blaziken so adding Ninjask doesn't make sense

And bidoof was just for the Bidoof meme.

couldn't even evolve him to bibarrel at the time.

[vagrant rune]

Probably they change this in any future update, or maybe they didn't to not confuse people with they sprite updates

I cannot know, but it's weird

[inland jewel]

Believe it or not the only reason why Frogman added prevo's was because people pestered him enough times, so he put it to a poll, and an overhwelming amount voted to add Prevos

[vagrant rune]

Bruh

[inland jewel]

which is why we had that long drought of no added pokemons, because adding the prevos took up all the remaining spaces that he would have added other lines.

[silent acorn]

People have a completionist obsession

[inland jewel]

i mean, it probably would been beter if he didn't pick and choose which mons got their prevo/evo's added and which didn't. Like I think upon release Aegislash got their full line, but Aggron was released by himself

[silent acorn]

Goofy. But I do like progression more than standalone

[vague oar]

I hope Torkoal wins, best Mon of the raffle

[inland jewel]

like, if he kept it consistent with, we have gens 1-2 because they're already programmed in, and then just kept single instances of final evos, with no added prevo's then people wouldn't have been up in arms about adding prevos.

[silent acorn]

||Frogman confirmed he rigged it to add Bruxish||

[vagrant rune]

No worries, if Primarina gets in just vote the other starters to get in so the alolan starters will be in altogether in the dex /jk

[vague oar]

That doesn’t mean my point it’s not correct

[vagrant rune]

It would be freaking funny. Imagine the winner is Bruxish when it's not in the raffle

[inland jewel]

Its actually number 8, someone just accidentally copied archen over it

[vagrant rune]

Bruxish was one of my potential picks. I wanted the world burn

[vague oar]

I was between Torkoal, Toxicroak and Spheal, but the triple tortoise fusion was the dealbreaker

[inland jewel]

Toxicroak though, we need more fighting types

[vague oar]

Also frog said that if Torkoal gets in, it’ll be a 1% fishing encounter cause of the gif

[inland jewel]

its sucks that in my quest for advocating for fighting types, the ones i didn't like got in

[vague oar]

https://tenor.com/view/pokmon-kill-me-im-out-gif-18142494

[vagrant rune]

I also was about to decide Cryogonal because of the lack of Ice Pokémon

[inland jewel]

Cryogonal is a good choice

[vague oar]

The answer to both lack of Ice and Fighting types is Crabominable

[inland jewel]

So true

[vagrant rune]

I wouldn't be mad with Crabominable. Underrated fella

Funny crab

[inland jewel]

I love him, im just mad he doesn't evolve until late game

[lofty spindle]

I wonder if fusions could fix him.

[inland jewel]

like, SM run, half my team was evolving in the final island 😦

[vague oar]

I mean if I can fix magmortar, I can definitely fix yeti crab

[lofty spindle]

While I personally like late evos, I do believe they should generally be sapced out over the adventure in some way.

[vagrant rune]

Fusions don't fix Pokémon: prove that the base Pokémon works and it's enough iconical to even have features that solidifies their fusions

[lofty spindle]

I mean like, stat-wise.

[vague oar]

Oh lol

[vagrant rune]

Stat-wise it's Crapobinable, yes

[lofty spindle]

Neither fast nor tanky.

[vagrant rune]

Bulky ice Pokémon. What could go wrong

[lofty spindle]

Ain't even, lol, it's defenses are low, only got good HP.

[vagrant rune]

Big HP with low defenses. Classic

Hot take: there should exist more moves that use stats like def, speed and hp as their atk stat, just like Body Press

[lofty spindle]

Body Press is legit my favourite move for that.

[vague oar]

Lmao I thought it had higher stats

[vague oar]

Imagine being a late game evo and not having at least 480 base stats

[inland jewel]

i mean, grubbin was my route 1 bug, and then magnemite was 3rd island i think

[vagrant rune]

Only give these to Pokémon that are bulky but shitty because of their typing

This could save a lot of Pokémon such as Aurorus or Wailord

[empty pendant]

a move that uses speed as an offense stat could be given to pokemon that are fast but both frail AND don't have decent offenses

[vagrant rune]

I remember Wailord was the HP case but still

[lofty spindle]

Wailord does kinda get an HP-based move at least.

[empty pendant]

like ninjask

[clever atlas]

Electro ball needs a rework
#MakeTheBoomBallGreatAgain

[ivory rune]

Lets buff Regieleki again

[white meadow]

Now I want torkoal even more
Imagine he would have a move normal torkoal couldnt learn
Scald or so

[vague oar]

Lmao

[white meadow]

Would be cool tho

[fresh salmon]

I just realised that there's only one Sinnoh mon in the poll that it's Froslass

[white meadow]

Or Dive but Scald is better cuz it has something to do with heat

[ivory rune]

https://tenor.com/view/torkoal-fuck-this-shit-im-out-pokemon-anime-gif-27327501

He should totally learn dive just because of this

[white meadow]

Yeah dive or scald both would fit

Or well it would fit for the 1% fishing tokoal

[fresh salmon]

Archeops has double chance to get in

Also something that I noticed, why does Solrock come with Lunatone, maybe it has to do with the fact that they're only 2 mons?

[inland jewel]

I think they're basing it off the spriter poll thing, where every lines was seperated into their own thing, but single stage counter parts were together like Oranguru and Passimian or Seviper and Zangoose

[vague oar]

Yep

||We should get Camerupt as a Sharpedo counterpart ||

[fresh salmon]

One thing I think they are doing is that Incineroar/Decidueye, Carracosta or the UBs in the next wave of mons

[white meadow]

I just notice how many pokemon give Torterra a Vulcano

[fresh salmon]

ngl I always associated those 2 because of Maxie and Archie

[white meadow]

Ngl Fusion wise Carracosta could be kinda cool

[vague oar]

Yea they’re counterparts

[inland jewel]

at this point just add in the rest of the counter parts... plz

[vague oar]

I’ll try to convince frog of doing a Counterpart Update 🫡

[white meadow]

Awesome Counterpart Update and Gogoat + Golisopod

[fresh salmon]

Lilligant, Gothitelle, Camerupt and Leavanny (and Carbink if you consider that Sableye's 2nd counterpart besides Mawile) are the only ones I can think of

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/darkrai-gif-5488953

[vague oar]

Tbh I think next update should be counterpart update + Some Starters

[fresh salmon]

Oh yeah I forgot about Cresselia

And if gen 8 counts then we should get Eleki and Drago to complete the regi family

[white meadow]

Yes ||and Gogoat+Goliso ||

[fresh salmon]

I think that they should do another poll besides the counterparts

[vagrant rune]

Primarina second chance if doesn't win the raffle 👏

[fresh salmon]

So 20ish more mons are being added

[white meadow]

You know I would say next update brings a mon of every type but I know I wouldnt get Gogoat cuz people want Lurantis

[fresh salmon]

Though I'm also scared the counterpart thing affects the poll since Ludicolo will get even less votes if paired with Shiftry

[vague oar]

https://tenor.com/view/ludicolo-gif-13599271

[fresh salmon]

What I think they should do for the next one is count the whole lines + counterparts as one slot

Maybe making it less slots but make one slot the entire line instead of making a line multiple slots

[vague oar]

[white meadow]

Pineapple duck

[sterile verge]

ludicolo and shiftry are vaguely related at best

[fresh salmon]

ik, it's just that since they're version exclusives in Ruby/Sapphire and Sword/Shield

[sterile verge]

i just think they shouldn't have put the counterparts together

[fresh salmon]

Depending on which mon

In Ludicolo's case nah, but for example Zangoose and Seviper yeah

[sterile verge]

regardless the people who want the mons together will most likely pick 3 for both of em

[fresh salmon]

I mean, I'd vote Ludicolo 3 and Shiftry like a 2

[white meadow]

Would be cool if a Update adds all Counter Part mons
Even the ones that have no counterpart in Pif

[sterile verge]

so why force the people who want's 1 mon but not the other make that other mon get in the game?

[fresh salmon]

As a separate update sure, just not in the actual polls

[inland jewel]

They are counterparts. They are gen exclusives like MAwile/Sableye, Reuni/Gothitelle. Phantump/Gourgeist

[sterile verge]

there were only 20 slots, forcing people to vote for 2 seperate mons that are related via version exclusivatey was just kind of dumb

[inland jewel]

yeah, its a counterpart update, not another poll update

[fresh salmon]

Unless the counterparts are just related as for lore or design like Zangoose/Seviper or Solrock/Lunatone I'd just ignore version exclusivity counterparts

Ludicolo/Shiftry are version exclusives but not quite counterparts

[sterile verge]

no they were version exclusives

[fresh salmon]

I'd just group starter trios, lore related mons (Electabuzz/Magmar, Zangoose/Seviper) or similar design mons (Plusle/Minun, Solrock/Lunatone)

[sterile verge]

for a theoretical counterparts update, i agree

[fresh salmon]

Gourgeist, Camerupt, Lilligant, Leavanny and Gothitelle aren't that much needed as a poll update

The only one I'd argue it was weird to exclude is Cresselia

[sterile verge]

we were discussing the previous poll and a theoretical counterparts update

[fresh salmon]

Since Darkrai and Cresselia are just too iconic counterparts in lore

[sterile verge]

yea cresselia not being in this game is understandable but also weird

[white meadow]

What Pokemon would we get in a "lets add all Counterparts" update (aka also adding Both lines of a counter part duo)

(I dont count legendary duos)

[vagrant rune]

Cresselia and Darkrai being counterparts but one is a legend and the other is a mythical was something weird to me

[dull zodiac]

Is there any up to date fusion calculator with whatever the most recent Pokémon added are?

[fresh salmon]

if.daena.me ?

[white meadow]

From My head it would add
Gourgeist
Camerupt
Lilligant
Leavanny
Gothitelle
Cresselia
Poochy
Zigzagoon
Wurmple
Wingull
Taillow
Plusle
Minun
Volbeat
Illumise
Lunatone
Solrock
Stunky
Glameow
Seviper
Zangoose
Shiftry
Ludicolo
Throh
Sawk
Archen
Tirtouga
Karrablast
Shelmet
Rufflet
Vullaby
Heatmore
Durant
Spritzee
Swirlix
Skrelp
Clauncher
Oranguru
Passimian
tortunator
Drampa

Aka 73 indivitual Pokemon XD

[fresh salmon]

Oh god I don't think that would be a good idea to have every single counterpart mon in the game

[inland jewel]

read pins?

[white meadow]

I mean I didnt include Legendarys XD

[fresh salmon]

Also, I've never seen anyone treat Taillow and Wingull as counterparts

[inland jewel]

I wouldn't count Wingull and Tailow nor Poochy and Zigzagoon or Leavannybut the rest check out

[white meadow]

To be fair I was unsure and googled
I could have sworn the gen 7 Water/ Bugs were

[inland jewel]

The water/bugs of gen 7 are not

[tired kraken]

Out of all of the unadded counterparts, I think Gourgeist would be the best one to add, because it has the potential for a lot of fantastic Halloween themed fusions

[white meadow]

Some would count that Catfish and Lobster from gen 3 as Counterparts

[fresh salmon]

Crawdaunt and Whiscash?

[white meadow]

forgot the names idk why

[fallen loom]

why all counterparts?

[white meadow]

Oh I wrote all non legendary Counterparts
Execpt Cresselia cuz she has his counterpart in the game

[fresh salmon]

I've seen people believe that Cincinno and Garbodor as well as Ambipom and Yanmega are counterparts

[dull zodiac]

Not seeing a calculator link in pins, none of the sites I’ve tried will see Venipede line as a valid Pokémon, not sure if it’s just him or more new ones too

[fallen loom]

Delcatty has a counterpart in B2W2

[white meadow]

I can see cinccino as Garbodors counterpart
They even have a Quest in Pokepark together

[white meadow]

We talked about a "what if we get a add all counterparts update"

Weirdly enough I thought Torkoal has a Counterpart but I wouldnt know what XD

[fresh salmon]

Also Cinccino represents clean and Garbodor represents dirty

[fallen loom]

huh

[white meadow]

Also weird that Patrat and Purrloin arent counterparts

[tired kraken]

I guess the closest thing would be Pelliper, in the sense that they both got weather Abilities in Gen 7

[fallen loom]

Skitty and Buneary are counterparts in B2W2

[white meadow]

Really???

[fallen loom]

yes

[white meadow]

cool

[weak trellis]

They kinda are in XY but that's about it

[fallen loom]

Purrloin in Y exclusive, but Patrat is in both games

[tired kraken]

Houndoom and Manectric are counterparts too, in XY

[fallen loom]

Sandshrew and Vulpix are in SM

if Alolan forms get in

[hexed dragon]

greninja

[white meadow]

True I excluded Alola forms

[fresh salmon]

Morpeko and Cramorant, Misdreavus and Drifloon, Gulpin and Stunky, Aipom and Gligar, Larvitar and Bagon

[fallen loom]

Baltoy and Golett are in USUM

[fresh salmon]

Those are from SV btw

[white meadow]

Bagon is with beldum

[fresh salmon]

I meant in SV

[white meadow]

Also no gen 8 mons are possible

[fallen loom]

Raticate and Gunshoos are as totems

[white meadow]

Funny enough they are counterparts in a ways as seviper and zangoose are

[fresh salmon]

True, but

Gumshoos got split from the duo in gen 9

[fallen loom]

UM Totems: Raticate, Araquanid, Salazzle, Togedemaru, Kommo-o
US Totems: Marowak, Gunshoos, Vikavolt, Ribombee, Lurantis

[white meadow]

Salazzle would be fire in PIF

[clever atlas]

Technically correct

It would be fire even outside of PIF

[fresh salmon]

Also I noticed some people said Jynx used to be counterpart with Electabuzz and Magmar, and it kinda makes sense because of the elemental punches, but since gen IV Electabuzz and Magmar were emphasised as rival Mons even with the evolutions and Jynx was left apart

[fallen loom]

could Mankey and Machop be seen as counterparts now?
They're both a 3-stage Fighting line originating from Kanto

[fresh salmon]

Idk, I always thought Machop while not exactly a counterpart like that acted like Geodude's

[fallen loom]

I thought it was more Abra's

Abra is strong against Machop
Geodude is strong against Gastly

[fresh salmon]

I mean, if you look at how Golem loses 2 arms and Machamp gains 2

[fallen loom]

huh

though Gengar gains two feet and Golem loses two arms

[sullen elbow]

Alakazam and gengar both got megas so they kinda feel like they are counterparts

[sullen elbow]

And gains a tail while kadabra loses it

[fallen loom]

yeah I don't like how tail-less Alakazam is

[fresh salmon]

Also I paired Abra and Gastly

[fallen loom]

Gengar and Machamp could be counterparts too, since they both got Gmax forms

[sullen elbow]

Oh right and their gyms are version exclusive

[fresh salmon]

Also idk if that's relevant but in the OG Mystery Dungeon games Alakazam's team and Gengar's were quite opposite

Meanwhile Machamp was one of the MC options and Golem was just a side character

[fallen loom]

Loses limbs: Golem (two arms) and Alakazam (a tail)
Gains limbs: Gengar (two feet and a tail) and Machamp (two arms)

Geodude line: 2 limbs > 6 limbs > 4 limbs

[sterile verge]

The meloetta supremacy guy currently:

https://tenor.com/view/praying-pray-snoop-dogg-begging-please-gif-12502205

[sharp nebula]

no hoping needed, ive willed it into existence

[sterile verge]

I'm so sad minior isn't even an option but Solrock/Lunatone is

[bleak plaza]

Holding out for swirlix rn

[ivory rune]

Hear me out

We need Ludicolo

[fallen loom]

you know what's really sad? The fact that no more Bug Types are being added

starter types we've never had: Ice, Electric, Bug, Rock, Dragon and Normal

so even if all starters get in, we won't get those types

[bleak plaza]

I mean eevees technically a starter

[fallen loom]

still no Bug or Rock then

[fresh salmon]

Bug and Rock still aren't options

[frozen oracle]

Delphox was psychic

[fallen loom]

so forgettable

[bleak plaza]

Rip

[fallen loom]

at least I remembered Steel

[bleak plaza]

I liked the fox wizard

[sterile verge]

Dragon

[frozen oracle]

Delphox is pretty cool but I could never stray from running the double frog starters in xy

[sterile verge]

Greninja should've just, been added

By himself

[fallen loom]

How about these for starters: Grass/Electric, Fire/Rock, Water/Bug

[bleak plaza]

I mean poipole is technically a starter if your from ultra space that is

[white meadow]

Lol except the fire those are the types of our fangame starters

[sterile verge]

Honestly poipole is my favorite starter ngl

[fallen loom]

the Fire one has a good HA

[white meadow]

Lets add fakemon

[fallen loom]

so a Goat, a Kiwi and a ???

[sterile verge]

Give us grass/dragon, fire/ice, water/rock

[white meadow]

Shrimp/Seamonkey
The main theme is mixed animals

[sterile verge]

But like, unironically it would be a very good trio

YES

[fallen loom]

fuecoco should have been a snake

Crocodile isn't a Chinese Zodiac animal

[sterile verge]

I like fuecoco

He go nom

[near socket]

Ahem, I have news for you lol

[sterile verge]

Neither was fennekin

[fallen loom]

dog kinda

[sterile verge]

Fennekin is a fox

[fallen loom]

and Cyndaquil is a rat, don't ask

[near socket]

There are icons for Zygarde in the files right now, so I can only assume he will be added

[sterile verge]

God I hope so

[near socket]

Actually, there are a lot of icons for pokemon not in the game yet

I see Zacian and Zamazenta, Zarude, Zeraora to say a few

[sharp nebula]

well i highly doubt the first 3 will be added

[inland jewel]

reading the OG question again and I failed to notice the Calc part.

Sorry man, none are up to date at the moment. The best someone could do is get the old old google sheets calc

[near socket]

From the files

[inland jewel]

and inputed the data on their own

[near socket]

I don't know if these are intended to be there, or what the folder is actually used for, but the stuff is there after updating

[sterile verge]

I mean Gen 8+ can't be added

...unless?

Jkjk

[inland jewel]

the main reason why gen 8 and 9 can't be added is because the code for the abilities are to different from IF's code

[near socket]

Big hmm then

[inland jewel]

we can go up to gen 7 is because everything was in the base resource pack code that he used to start the project.

Images are easy enough to import

we can theoretically have Zacian and Zamazenta IF we don't add their abilities or sig moves

[sterile verge]

Also zarude and the dogs would be a weird addition to kick off a Gen 8 reveal

[near socket]

I just wanted to post this because I'm wasn't sure if anyone else had actually seen this yet

[sterile verge]

It's a cool find and it gets me theorizing though

[near socket]

I desperately want Zygarde

[sterile verge]

Same, zygarde was robbed

[inland jewel]

The masses wanted the other x4 weakness to ice types

[sterile verge]

Lol

[inland jewel]

for real though, the masses chose to add dragon/flying types, and then added more ice types

[fallen loom]

how??? Gen 8 is banned

[gleaming flame]

Of these Pokémon, I want Torkoal to be added

[inland jewel]

images are easy, their abilities, moves, and other data are hard to import

so we can add them, if we don't want to add their moves or abilities

[sterile verge]

2 dragon flying types but no dragon/ground legendary? despicable

[near socket]

The files are in, Graphics/Pokemon/Icons