pif-hoenn-discussion

[obtuse silo]

Im rooting for Torkoal and rocks

[obsidian terrace]

I’m not

[obtuse silo]

Thats okay lol

[winged garnet]

I've lost respect for this server, I will now be jumping off a bridge

All that is 100% a joke, ofc

In all honesty, this server is hella talented lol, and I'm glad to be apart of it

Even if my baby isopod wasn't added-

[sage crater]

Sprite it anyway

[nocturne knot]

anti-slurpuff bros 1/12 chance we dont lose this

[glossy osprey]

you can make as many fusions as you want for non IF mons, right?

[obtuse silo]

You mean 11/12

[nocturne knot]

double negative

[obtuse silo]

Yeah they wont be in the game but you can still post them to spritework

[nocturne knot]

but sure 11/12 to win a mon line that is good

[analog shard]

I view slurpuff as much worse than it is simply because its the counterpart of aromatisse, the worst pokemon in existence

[nocturne knot]

they are both bad. easily both mons are bottom 10 for me

[analog shard]

Hard agree

Gen 6 has a lot of goated designs, the fairy duo are not any of them

[obtuse silo]

Ive seen some nice slurpuff fusions

[junior notch]

true, but you cant deny the potential it has for fusions

[nocturne knot]

gothita is the worst tho imho, aromatisse gets second worst

[obtuse pollen]

What's goin on

[junior notch]

discussing the raffle mons

[obtuse pollen]

Is Florges on that list

[analog shard]

True, it would be one of those mons where every fusion is better than the base (like fearow)

[junior notch]

in announcements

[obtuse pollen]

Well let's have a look-see

[analog shard]

Sadly no, much worse fairy type option

[junior notch]

true, tho I would like it as a base

[nocturne knot]

I am big hype for archen tho, dope two seperate winners chose it. one of my fav mons I love feathery dinos

[junior notch]

I prefer it over multiple others on the list tbh

[obtuse pollen]

Might be hipster but

[analog shard]

I love archen too but also sadge tirtouga erasure

[obtuse pollen]

...
I
I kinda want Claydol

[nocturne knot]

maybe if we're really lucky dev fiat will give both?

[obtuse silo]

Same

[obtuse pollen]

Also pretty sure there's an error in there because Archen is on two lines-

[analog shard]

I feel the same way with popplio. Love the line but id rather have oshawott, tepig, froakie, litten or rowlet

[nocturne knot]

claydol line would make fun fusions so I get it for sure

[analog shard]

Claydol would go crazy icl

[nocturne knot]

two winners chose it, so double odds.

[analog shard]

Funnily enough, same guy won 2 and chose archen twice lmfao

[obtuse pollen]

Ah gotcha

Claydol would be pretty sick
Idk if it's like a hipster coice but I think Claydol is pretty underrated

[nocturne knot]

based??

as a mon alone, claydol is meh. as fusion potential claydol goes hard

[analog shard]

Honestly i think claydol is one of those mons thats cool but theres better psychic or ground types id rather use in every game its been in so ive never bothered with it

[empty leaf]

it's funny to see that archen was shown twice but given the context, lmao
keep being yourself, you glorious person!

[obtuse pollen]

Nah I think even base Claydol needs more love
Really cool potential
Maybe designs similar to Clefable and Golurk

[nocturne knot]

claydol would give a lot of wacky alienesque designs as well as biblically accurate angels which I am so here for

[analog shard]

I really like tynamo line but i can't picture what fusions would look like

I think shaymin and meloetta are both cool picks too

Chimecho could be fun making lots of bell fusions

[empty leaf]

but while I personally would like to see Shaymin in, I can see a good some good potential with them

[nocturne knot]

I actually really dislike xurkitree BUT the potential for all sorts of electrical wire fusions is incredibly hype

[analog shard]

I love the idea of xurkitree fusions, but its not even top 4 ultra beasts for me and it would be weird being the only one

Nihilego x nihilego and its just ultra lusamine

[empty leaf]

eitherway, now we just wait for a week

[nocturne knot]

yeah it is a lil odd being the only ultra beast if it gets in, but maybe it'll open up design space to add others down the line and that single potential is also a win for if it wins

[analog shard]

I mean if theyre willing to add 3 slots for tynamo/popplio it does kinda leave open slots if anything else wins so 👀

[empty leaf]

of course, no matter what happen, the salt would be filling up...
I mean hey, at least we can use those salt

[analog shard]

nacli has entered the arena

Personally i think they should rig the raffle so it picks #9 (cubchoo + beartic)

[nocturne knot]

we cant add the nacli line because then all the porygon minecraft fusions would have to be redone

[mystic kernel]

I was suprised when melloetta wasn't picked, but im hoping she gets in now

i didn't see anyone dislike her, and a few people supporting.

[dark prism]

Would be cool with Meloetta or Torkoal

[prime dust]

also can't add it because its gen 8/9

[dark prism]

As much as I like Archeops, no more rock types please

[prime dust]

nothing past gen 7 can be added without some serious work that frogman has no plans on doing

[nocturne knot]

well thats the OTHER reason

[sand mica]

Can you vote for Skuntank?

[nocturne knot]

there's no voting now, just a raffle next week

voting is over

[glossy osprey]

I'm indifferent towards meloetta until I see how it meshes with the dragons

[dark prism]

I'd be ok with Shaymin as well

[eager stream]

pog hope claydol wins the raffle

[dark prism]

Seamus

[sand mica]

Hypnotoad can you please add Skuntank soon?

[dark prism]

Team skull triple fusion

Would be nightmare fuel

[eager stream]

claydol is sick nasty and the fusion art potential is great

[sand mica]

Skuntank better be suddenly inserted into the raffle!

[dark prism]

Claydol is cool and I appreciate it as a special attacking ground type which we have very few of in IF

[sand mica]

And of course the raffle picks are really really bad...
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/302158319886532618/1175485842496692374/if-raffle.png?ex=656b6780&is=6558f280&hm=1f777d8624b2a1a3b39e6622efd6075855a6b85ec67ba09aefeff218ceda0c83&

Who picked Archeops twice? I guess that makes the best one out of these picks the most likely...

[dark prism]

Nobody picked archeops twice it just got picked by two different winners

[eager stream]

me when other people have different tastes:

[dark prism]

But yeah I won't lie getting another fossil rock type added to the game doesn't excite me at all

[prime dust]

i thought someone won a contest twice and that doubled their vote

[dark prism]

Ohh ok

That's what it was, my b I forgot about that

Well yeah not what I woulda chosen personally but either way I'm pleased with what we have

[eager stream]

archeops is the least interesting to me yeah, but still not against it

[prime dust]

i don't think 5 should be on there, it'll make people bug frog for the other alola starters

[dark prism]

If we get a couple more mons that I'm not crazy about it's whatever

[eager stream]

rock type with good stats wouldnt be amiss

[dark prism]

I kinda agree tbh

[sand mica]

Since these picks are middling...

[dark prism]

True but there are just soooo many rock types already. There are 40 in the game atm

[nocturne knot]

I love fossil mons but I agree on the deal with too many rock types; especially as if Archen gets in I'll prolly want fusions with it as the head for the feathers and colours

[eager stream]

yeah, but if it happens
thats my cope

[dark prism]

Yeah head fusions for sure will be more popular

[sand mica]

What about Mandibuzz and Skuntank?

[dark prism]

I won't lie I'm not crazy about either mon

[eager stream]

claydoll's what im hoping for anyway, love that lil fella

[nocturne knot]

they lost the votes so have to wait for their chance until the next big mon expansion

[prime dust]

1, 6, 11, 12; any of those and i'm fine

[dark prism]

I think Mandibuzz would shake things up a lil more than Skuntank

[sand mica]

Why?

[prime dust]

the rest save but 5 i'm not a fan of

[dark prism]

Mandibuzz just has more utility

But regardless I'm not unhappy with the contest raffle, maybe a lil underwhelmed but there are a few mons on there I'd like to see

Happy my tortoise boi is in there

[nocturne knot]

ngl I think type varietu would be hugely improved in regards to fossil mons if their type order were reverse so rock was their secondary - and I think it would make more sense for fusions too as head is style (unique typing) and body is form (rock)

[dark prism]

It probably would I agree. But considering we did just have a lot of type exceptions removed I doubt it would happen

A dood can hope though

[weak trellis]

speaking of which were some of the reverses undone in V6?

seems like the dewgong heads are now water-typed going by how one of them resisted my flamethrower

[nocturne knot]

regardkess I added it to the suggestion channel, so it can at least be seen and considered

[sand mica]

Get ready for my new template!

When it finishes compressing...

[raw bison]

Ah, hm, not super crazy about any of the raffle mons. Archeops is probably the one I'm most interested in a vacuum, cause dinosaur with feathers and he can finally drop that ability, but Torkoal and Solrock/Lunatone both seem like they could be nice to have also, like they feel like they could be sleeper hits. Beyond that I don't have very strong feelings

[prime dust]

pastebin in #announcements they removed fusion type exceptions aside from normal/flying

basically to allow for more fusion typing variety

[raw bison]

Maybe a feel a little off about like Xurkitree and Poplio coming in separate from their sets, but, eh

[prime dust]

poplio is the biggest one

[raw bison]

It'd still be nice if type reversals were still in play, like how Trevanant was swapped so his face gave grass and body gave ghost since the wood aesthetic came with the face

[prime dust]

i'm afraid it'll make people endlessly bug frogman for the other alola starters to get added toot suite

[raw bison]

Tyrantrum body works for rock and dragon just fine, but Aurorus works much better as an ice-type head because od all the ice crystals

[spice sage]

||they already do that||

[prime dust]

fair

[glossy osprey]

Let me convert you into a guzz

[analog shard]

I wouldnt mind skuntank so i could finally add my skuntank/pidgeot i made like 5 years ago

[mystic rivet]

xurkitree wasn't even on my radar for likely UBs, that being said, that does make me more interested for what kinda fusions people would make.

[nocturne knot]

Skunlord or Guztank?

[prisma willow]

for me, I'd be interested if 6, 7, 10, or 11 got in. Well less so in 10 as it'd be ANOTHER post-game legendary

[mystic rivet]

always loved baltoy/claydol

[brisk vessel]

My hopes are on 8, 9, and 11

[lament tundra]

Torkoal, Meloetta, or Shaymin are my hopes from that list. Just hope if it is a mythical, they make it so you can get it before postgame.

[hoary mist]

If Meloetta was pre-postgame I would be very happy

[hushed mantle]

My only hope is 3

[hoary mist]

Lilligant propaganda

[wintry ivy]

add more triple fusions.

specifically the Aura trio and light trio

[hoary mist]

What’s the aura trio again

Oh the XY guys

[coarse karma]

I never noticed before but gen 6's model made Archeops chonky

the feathers became shorter too

https://tenor.com/view/archeops-pokemon-pokeplush-pokemon-plush-plush-gif-6766593941031228586

that being said the plushie is adorable

[coarse karma]

Out of all the UB, I was hopeful for Guzz to get in.

[coarse karma]

sorry to hear that, oof

[nocturne knot]

another casulty of gamefreak's bad 3d models

[hollow quest]

https://tenor.com/view/lurantis-gif-25238734

[mystic rivet]

oh yeah.. crap, no lurantis in the final vote

[coarse karma]

Honestly shocked it wasn't in the raffle bracket

[alpine rune]

dad in his 20s vs dad in his 40s

[hollow quest]

i was extremely disappointed yes

[alpine rune]

do you think theyll choose more than 1 raffle pick to round up to 470?

[hollow quest]

no?

[alpine rune]

i got a gut feeling

[hollow quest]

toad said one line, so unless he's lyin, it's only one

[alpine rune]

at this point its whatever he feels like doing

remember when we argue to each other that its only going to be 20 mons?

anyways, say a 3 liner like poplio and elektross won, the dex will max out to 268

well im not here when the last pokemon roster got updated but i got the gist that stunfisk was just there to round up the dex

cuz like yknow, its odd that it ended in larvesta, a pre evo addition and randomly there's stunfisk

[hollow quest]

doesn't mean it'll happen every time. i think you're forgettin 420 is a "funny number"

[alpine rune]

dex 382 - 419 are all pre evos

[light garden]

I don't think that's in IF. :thinking: Did you misspell something?

[alpine rune]

i mean that could be true as well ig

[nocturne knot]

so round to 469 instead??

[hollow quest]

so it had more leverage than 470 would

[alpine rune]

now we're talking

although with how """"vague"""" rule 2 is, i think they wont round it to 469

I dont expect they would consider a [censored] joke number would fly

when they muted me for saying touching grass as rule 2

yes im talking to you mil

[dark prism]

Nice

[zealous flint]

LETS GO NO BRUXISH

[loud sorrel]

So it seems that there are a bunch of prevo pokemon at the end of the dex before the update
So does that mean there were a bunch of fully evolved Pokémon present in game without their prevos present
Like could you find a talon flame or golurk on their own in the wild or something
Cause that just feels weird

[upper echo]

Hoping for the turtle if they give it drought

[obsidian terrace]

I didn’t play then but I assume so

[loud sorrel]

Man that’s weird
I guess it was a space/workload issue where they could only get the fully evolved mons in and had to leave the prevos behind

We’ll now there’s a ton more space so theoretically this should never happen again lol

I know it’s a massive workload and storage issue and stuff
But I’d like to see the day where all Pokémon from gens 1-7 get in game
And then when they’re all in they can re sort the dex to match the National dex or something

[coarse karma]

Just realized it's past 12am here

gn everyone~

[near spoke]

It was from wonder trade. Initially thats the only way you can get those

[sullen raven]

[loud sorrel]

oh that makes more sense
still it mustve been really annoying if access to these pokemon was locked behind wonder trade lol

[sand mica]

Baalf already wants it to be in the game too. Guzzlord is one I want, but I hope Skuntank and Grumpig get in most of all.

[alpine rune]

considering theres static flygon, volcarona, and lots of others makes me think so

[alpine rune]

oh

I retract my statement then :>

[loud sorrel]

im fine with fully evolved pokemon appearing in the wild
im also fine if the prevos never appear in the wild and you gotta breed for them
but what isnt so fine is just having the evolutions in game but not the prevos

[alpine rune]

[alpine inlet]

So wait, did two of the contest winners pick the Archeops line as their raffle pokemon? So now that line has a higher chance at being picked than the others? Thats pretty funny

[alpine rune]

i heard along the lines of the same user won twice so they put archeops twice

Gotta say its a pretty smart move

[alpine inlet]

Im a bit surprised they let them do that, but hey, Im a pretty big Archeops fan myself, so if that advantage gets him in, more power to them.

Im surprised how many pokemon they ended up adding to this update, iirc they initially said something like they were adding around 20 or so, I think by the end of this contest it will be about 46 to 49 additions? What with some multiforms and such

Hell maybe if they just keep doing contests like this Sigilyph could get in. It would just have to be after all the more popular pokemon get added in first (aka a vast majority of the pokedex)

[amber ice]

no bruxish for yall

if eelektross, or however it's called, gets in, i'll say its sus

[daring burrow]

ayy tynamo line mad it to final raffle

hopefully lunastone and solrock win tho

[white meadow]

whats this

and why are 8 and 9 the same

[alpine rune]

my bets on 2, 4, and 10

[white meadow]

i hope 2 gets in

[forest timber]

omg, I hope #3 gets in so I can actually do a personal run I wanted to do

[weak trellis]

8/9 are the same since sam refuses to aknowledge bruxish, which would go in either slot

[white meadow]

more importantly 11... meloetta is one of my favourite mons shes literally me

[forest timber]

( Altaria / Slurpuff fusion only run )

I can't do a Combee / Tyranitar fusion only run since the Vespiquen line wasn't added ( unless I'm acting stupid )

[white meadow]

no it wasnt </3

[forest timber]

darn :T

so I hope it's 3 just for a personal run, but I wouldn't mind any mon here

[inland jewel]

They said they were adding 20 community chosen mon, the rest are specifically their choice, like Garboder is my favorite mon so ima add it, don’t care what others say sorta deal

[crisp prawn]

No bruxish, but the archeops line has a 1/6 chance so I'm pleased enough with that.
I said 1/5 then realised it was 12 :( 1/6 chance

[mellow estuary]

Eelektross plz let's goooo

[clever atlas]

[crisp prawn]

I hate that we have to wait a week though 😫 I'm so impatient.

[wraith imp]

I downloaded the mobile version recently of 6.0.2

but I couldn't see any of the new stuff I saw on pc.

Are the new pokémon even on mobile?

[tacit hazel]

Thank god for no Bruxish, that thing ugly

[brisk vessel]

There is a 1/4 chance I walk out of this event happy

It's not over til it's over

[bleak plaza]

I feel like I might be one of the only people that wants swirlix to win lol

We need more fairy types

[desert nacelle]

Nah I'm team popplio

To be fair primsrina is a fairy type

[elfin goblet]

5

[radiant basin]

Elektross gang

[radiant basin]

Let’s go

[silk narwhal]

Primarina is such a terrible pick to be honest

[desert nacelle]

Your own opinion

[brisk vessel]

I'm neutral with primarina

There are definitely other starters I would prefer but I'd definitely take it over something like Chingling

[prime dust]

i mean that is what they said would happen if someone won twice

it would just count as an extra vote for their choice

[leaden flax]

I like Swirlix but I don't know if I want to see it win considering it won't come with Aromatisse. Would be better than Primarina though imo, especially when starters are already a popular choice to begin with.

Feels like it'd be a waste when an unpopular Pokemon line could make it

[brisk vessel]

It's a real good thing that Archeops is my 2nd most wanted pick
Otherwise I'd be pretty pissed that he takes 2 votes

[white meadow]

Hey rick
From the Raffle mons what do you hope to win

[silk narwhal]

you already know it

[white meadow]

Yeah melo

[silk narwhal]

yeah

literally just meloetta

i honestly don't get why they allowed duplicates AND starters

[silent acorn]

Very random, that's for sure. Well Eelektross is a nice one.

[silk narwhal]

they robbed us of Meloetta. If we don't get it now i'll be so incredibly upset

[silent acorn]

Not gonna lie, it'll be a sucky.

Who won twice?

The guy who picked Melo apparently is Xeno, the last champion

And apparently you couldn't have duplicates if someone picked one. No idea why archeops became like that

[silk narwhal]

YEEEAHHHHH

[sharp nebula]

the same guy won 2 contests

[silk narwhal]

yeah that's just weird

[silent acorn]

I have no idea who it was that won twice, I thought it was Merum since they showed up often, but I don't know now

Merum was who picked Popplio, which hey better than archeops to me

[white meadow]

I only dont want the UB and starter
Cuz they should come with theyr sets
A fossil is fine if he is missing imo

[sharp nebula]

i dont particularly want chimecho or shaymin, any of the others would be fine

[silent acorn]

True. Although I hate the logic behind Archeops being we should add both, like that's just annoying down the line

I rather have something I can enjoy without that nonsense nagging at my back

[sharp nebula]

xurkitree is a bit meh but beast boost

[silent acorn]

Shaymin is the worst to me tho, even if it's standalone is one of the most boring design wise mons there is. Just a bunch of patched grass '
oh how cool be there is a lot to do with that

Peak fusion content right here.

[sharp nebula]

but anyway, its gonna be meloetta, my will is unbeatable

[silent acorn]

This Is what body sums up in, Head is basically white body, grass back

[alpine rune]

Nvm wrong chat

[silent acorn]

I can't stop it from being in the raffle but I sure as hell can put it down, roast it and make fun of it until the actual raffle

[stable sand]

Let's be honest here, Shaymin's fusions would only be boring if the spriters don't have imagination, same as many other pokemons, it's not the first who "seems" boring for fusions, and some we have got quite surprising/original fusions design

[alpine rune]

so tldr if youre imaginatively barren, you cant make sprites

[silent acorn]

Nah shaymin fusions are boring because its body is basic, and it's traits basic too, most of the time plant pokemon have like big features like the flowers, leaves, trees, shaymin has grass and a petite flower

[stable sand]

I didn't say that, don't put words in my mouth

[alpine rune]

xd

[silk narwhal]

dude PLEASE be meloetta holy shit please

[stable sand]

I would agree that my word can be read as "If you don't have imagination, it's harder to make good sprites", but not "if you don't have imagination, you can't make good sprites"

[alpine rune]

Honestly though, there's a spectrum of idk uniqueness when it comes to creating any sort of art

[buoyant narwhal]

Damn didn't know I would find based people in here

[silent acorn]

Make shaymin ||I dare you||

[alpine rune]

Not saying im good, its just that some tend to be harder than others

not harder, i guess it need more effort to make it look good and unique

[leaden flax]

I mean, not gonna lie, Shaymin doesn't seem particularly fun to do compared to other plant types, but that doesn't mean there's nothing to do with it

[silent acorn]

If the tool isn't easy to use, then the user ain't the problem in the equation

[alpine rune]

yea i guess you could put it that way

[silent acorn]

about the best one I have found online, and it has more to do with it being Houndoom than Shaymin

oh, nice nothing can possibly go wrong with shaymin

[silk narwhal]

bro

[alpine rune]

MAking shaymin fusions is easy, but tend to fall under formulaic because you only have little to work with due to its simple design. On the other hand, pokemon like garbordor is hard to make due to it being overwhelmingly detailed

[junior notch]

yeah mega houndoom is badass

[silent acorn]

If the first thing you think is houndoom, the other side of the fusion ain't popping enough

[junior notch]

but yeah shaymin is not a good pick imo

[silent acorn]

Nah even Garbodor is better because it gives you trash to work with, and trash is versatile as hell

Like meloetta has music, which is such an open thing, you can make it into anything for a fusion

[junior notch]

my personal choice is solrock lunatone

[silent acorn]

Planets and astral bodies, on the same gang as Minior, not same gameplay quality but they are decent atleast

[junior notch]

the fish fusions with trubbish that use that lil plastic bag with water is honestly really good, so bodies work as well

[junior notch]

I'd rather these 2 than minior tbh, cos at least these have counterparts

but if minior does ever get added then no doubt it gets a triple fusin with them

[silent acorn]

Its cuz of what it is, the very concept is based on influences how much you can do with it, Sharpedo is a marine predator, Cacturne a cactus cowboy old west thing, Froslass and Glalie frozen beasts kimonos, ice demons.

Shaymin is basically "Be grateful you can touch my grass"

[junior notch]

yeah shaymin is no better than any of the grass types we have like roselia and venusaur

[silent acorn]

They have more distinct and bigger flowers, and their designs isn't just being a flower. Well Shaymin even sucks at that more than Sunflora

[silent acorn]

Shaymin has neither so it's basically the British squad on this image

[alpine rune]

You're one funny twat, I'd say

[sharp nebula]

i mean gameplay wise sky form has solid stats

[silent acorn]

Well thank you, I consume touhou fumos and memes for sustenance

[alpine rune]

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/reginald-angry-eating-angry-eating-monster-house-gif-20013301

Sky forme is interesting, though honestly you can do more with minior.

[sharp nebula]

or meloetta, which is great because its going to win

[silent acorn]

Fun fact Sunflora will suck more once Shaymin gets in

This is really goofy

[stable sand]

I mean, if Sunflora needs to not have other pokemons to release to stay "good", it's more of a Sunflora problem than a Shaymin problem

[junior notch]

u say that like it will

[silent acorn]

IF I said. And nah Seed Flare on Sunflora is golden, having to let go of that for the hedgehog ain't a good trade

[junior notch]

u literally didnt say if

[white meadow]

"pineco would be the best bug type if it was the only one that existed"

[silent acorn]

Actually you are right I missed the IF

[junior notch]

ik I was tryna point that out, tho I sure hope it doesnt

[silent acorn]

That's a bit different because pineco doesn't lose anything because another bug gets in. On the other hand Shaymin monopolyzes a move if it gets in.

I sure pray anything else gets in, the other options are perfectly fine, Shaymin is the one that's just a meh, post league content pokemon

[white meadow]

like people were using sunflora anyway

[junior notch]

ur saying that like more people will use shaymin

[white meadow]

it could have judgement and the legend plate and im willing to bet no one would care to use it anyway

shaymin sky is actually usable at least

[silent acorn]

Its a base, it doesn't have a job as a mythical

[junior notch]

so is a lot of sunflora fusions

[silent acorn]

Sunflora can't be helped because we are forced with it because it's Gen 2 anyway could never prevent it

[junior notch]

I'd rather use a sunflora fusion as my team's grass type than a shaymin one

[white meadow]

you would

what about the rest of people?

[silent acorn]

Never I hate shaymin it's a pretty bland mon

[silk narwhal]

shaymin is genuinely ass

[leaden flax]

Probably not the one who voted for it

[junior notch]

its difficult to reach, available too late, and is a shit concept for a lot of fusions

[silent acorn]

Yep. That's why it's bland

Hell luvdisc gots it beat on the availability department despite how ass it is

[junior notch]

if we adding a gen 4 mythical ADD CRESELIA

[white meadow]

mythical?

[sharp nebula]

cresselia isnt a mythical

[junior notch]

nah cos luvdisc has a good concept

[junior notch]

really? I mean its in a duo with darkrai

[sharp nebula]

yep, its too lame to be mythical

[silent acorn]

Its body is pretty limited, not gonna lie the heart concept could be interesting, but Alomomola does that better on top of having better Stats. But luvdisc is easily available

[leaden flax]

IDK I'd say mythical are usually more lame than legendaries

[silent acorn]

Cresselia is a nice mon with design. You could make lots of Lunar creatures with it

[junior notch]

yes, but at least love and hearts can have a decent concept, even with luvdisc

shaymin is just bland with no identity

[leaden flax]

Especially for how hard they are to obtain

[silent acorn]

True that, that's just a fact

[white meadow]

true for the box legendaries, but for the rest is kinda meh

[sharp nebula]

its pretty even tbh, excluding box legends because theyre kinda their own thing

[junior notch]

the bell fucker and meloetta can at least do music fusions, slurpuff has desert fusions, torkoal has some smokey shell fusions that could look cool

hell xurkitree, even if its the only ub, is still a cool ass ub

[lofty spindle]

From the standpoint of both sprites and gameplay, we really ought to adjust the UI so it actually fits the supermassive sprites.

[sharp nebula]

xurkitree is probably the least interesting ub

[junior notch]

even then, wires and lights could do some nice concepts

also I adore the ubs so yuh

[sharp nebula]

its just tangela with lights, id be fine with it tho because beast boost

[wild egret]

Bro I'm hoping salazzle drops bruh

[junior notch]

check the raffle, not on there

[wild egret]

It think it should go beyond the raffle

[junior notch]

one mon from their is being added, and most people are hoping for not shaymin

[junior notch]

the next mon after the raffle is gonna be quite a while away

[wild egret]

It shouldn't need to be raffled in, salazzle deserves to be added directly

[prime dust]

it might, later

[alpine rune]

No, spheal is

[junior notch]

be prepared to wait a few months then

[prime dust]

just not right now; right now something on that raffle line is getting in

[junior notch]

and please anything but shaymin

[white meadow]

i would legit rather get primarina than spheal

[prime dust]

and honestly i'm fine with; 1, 6, 11 and 12...everything else save but 5 i'm middle of the road on

5 shouldn't get in rn

[wild egret]

Anything that i can fuse my miltank with is something i want in the game

[prime dust]

no...i want the possibility of a sanic fusion

[junior notch]

1, 2, 3, 6, 10 are the best ones imo

[prime dust]

gib chia hedgehog

[stable sand]

I'd love for 11,6,3, I wouldn't mind 1,4,7,8/9,10,12, I don't care about 2, but I don't want 5 in particular

[junior notch]

12 is def my least fav option

[sharp nebula]

just 11

[leaden flax]

As long as it's not 5...

[junior notch]

5 just doesnt make sense rn

I'd rather it be added with the others

[sterile spoke]

As far as the raffle goes, I think my ranking would be something like: Slurpuff > Eelektross > Torkoal > Meloetta > Archeops > Chimecho > Shaymin > Claydol > Solrock/Lunatone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Primarina > Xurkitree. 😃

[silk narwhal]

slurpuff above meloetta???

other than that i pretty much fully agree

[sterile spoke]

Yes, the potential for dessert-themed fusions is extraordinary. 🙂

[silk narwhal]

what's eelektross' potential though

[sterile spoke]

It's got a cool design, and sometimes that's enough. 😉

No other Pokémon is an eel/lamprey. 😛

[silk narwhal]

torkoal though

[sterile spoke]

Smoke. 😄

[silk narwhal]

that's not a good reason lmao

[sterile spoke]

Plus I just really like Torkoal. 😂

I mean, it is a good reason. It's a unique texture. 😛

[silk narwhal]

we don't need torkoal to use smoke in fusions

[sterile spoke]

We don't need Meloetta to use music in fusions. 😉

The logic goes both ways. 😂

[silk narwhal]

that's not the reason i want meloetta lmao

[sterile spoke]

Then what is? 😛

[silk narwhal]

it's fun to work with, has two forms, nice design, amazing for a ton of references too

[stable sand]

I want Meloetta because it's a waifumon, and?

[sterile spoke]

Reference potential shouldn't be a reason people want fusions.

[finite reef]

Shoutout to (Mammuth's?) Lapras/Typhlosion that is in the hall of fame on a daily basis

[sterile spoke]

Though Torkoal also has fusion potential. 😉

[silk narwhal]

better than wanting bruxish just because it's ugly as shit

[sterile spoke]

Bruxish (and to be fair, also Meloetta) has a nice palette, though. 🙂

[silk narwhal]

not that it matters anymore since it's out of the equation

[finite reef]

Torkoal doesn't offer overly much uniqueness imo, we already have a tortoise and drought

[sterile spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/moku-moku-no-mi-smoker-smoker-one-piece-gif-21812080

Easy Smoker reference. 😉

[finite reef]

Hey

[sterile spoke]

What?

I'm just using people's logic against them. 😂

[sterile spoke]

We already have Kirlia, who has a very similar silhouette and theme to Meloetta. 😛

[finite reef]

True. Xurkitree rise up!

[stable sand]

I didn't know Kirlia could change forms into a fighting type

[sharp nebula]

it doesnt have the stats, music or forms tho

[silk narwhal]

absolutely not

meloetta has a different dress, different hair, different colors, different body shape even if slight and most importantly no huge ass spikes

[sterile spoke]

It's a dancer, so you could add music for sure. 😂

I've seen Jynx get music-themed fusions because of the resemblance to an opera singer, so that's not out there. 😉

[sharp nebula]

also for the smoke we have weezing, torkoal is not necessary

[silk narwhal]

that's called an exception

[sterile spoke]

Gas =/= smoke. 😛

[sharp nebula]

'its a unique texture' smoke looks pretty much the same as clouds so theres altaria too

[finite reef]

It's very similar

[sharp nebula]

just admit the only reason you want it is because you like it and we wont have an issue

[sterile spoke]

That's not the only reason. 😛

Also, you shouldn't really have an issue at all. That's a you problem. 😂

It's not like any of our opinions carry any weight with what gets added, it's purely a game of chance. 😅

[sharp nebula]

i also have an issue with you boycotting goodra, tsareena and the like but what does it matter

[sterile spoke]

Goodra proved me right within 6 hours. 😛

[finite reef]

I don't think you can boycott mons being added

[crude vortex]

goodra was a mid pick regardless

[sterile spoke]

I will say, I did a mock raffle for the picks we got and Meloetta won. I wouldn't be mad if it didn't get in. 🙂

[finite reef]

Goodra was a great pick

[sterile spoke]

Agreed. 😄

Too many Dragon-types, not enough Fighting-types. 😢

[crude vortex]

another dragon + similar body type to dragonite... meh

[finite reef]

Good, fighting types kinda suck

[silk narwhal]

meloetta is fighting type

[sterile spoke]

That's one reason why I'd be happy with it getting added. 🙂

It's the only Fighting-type candidate. 😦

We don't have any Dark-type ones. 😢

[finite reef]

I just realised 4/10 options have levitate

[surreal chasm]

please let it be slurpuff

[obtuse silo]

I thought goodra was a bit lame but the fusions i saw suprised me

[surreal chasm]

I NEEEEDDDD dessert fusions to be real I NEEEEDDDDD THEM

[sharp nebula]

its gonna be meloetta, my will is unbeatable

[obtuse silo]

Slurpuff would be awesome too

[surreal chasm]

Would be kinda weird if primarina got in but all of the other starters wont

[obtuse silo]

The cake mon is gen 8 right?

[sharp nebula]

the cream that becomes cake?

[obtuse silo]

Alcremie was not 6

[sharp nebula]

yes alcremie is 8

but its only cake when gmax

[obtuse silo]

So slurpuff+ vanillux are the only ones

[surreal chasm]

I feel like the starters are gonna get added anyway in the future

[surreal chasm]

I thought you were reffering to Slurpuff

[obtuse silo]

Slurpuff is not cake i think 🤔

Isnt it cotton candy?

[sharp nebula]

its meringue, but some influence from cupcakes

[obtuse silo]

Oohh i see

[sharp nebula]

its pre evolution is candy floss

[obtuse silo]

I guess its kind of a cake then

Missed opportunity for a candy crush move

[stable sand]

My favorite food pokemon is probably Fridough but it will never come in PIF sadly

[sharp nebula]

im glad it was missed

[white meadow]

If torkoal, tynamo line or solrock wins..

[sharp nebula]

solrock would be great, the other 2 are meh imo

[obtuse silo]

I dont mind if something wins im not so happy with dont have time to sprite anyway

[obtuse silo]

Then?

[white meadow]

Idk I would be a bit upset cause I'm not a fan of them and I think that Xurkitree or surpluff have more potential

[sharp nebula]

and meloetta having the most of course

[obtuse silo]

I feel like meloetta is basically just kirlia body

[white meadow]

And imo they shouldn't had let them add 2 of archeops line, I mean, it has one more chance to win

[surreal chasm]

Eelektross would be sick

[junior notch]

fair, however solrock and lunatone imo have amazing potential with a sun/moon aestetic

but hey, at least it isnt the worst on that list (shaymin)

[obtuse silo]

I think if you are two times winning against so many other good sprites in a contest you totall deserve a higher chance

[stable sand]

I mean, he won twice so it's only fair, imagine if it was his second pick that win instead of his first pick

[white meadow]

True but imagine cable pokemon with Xurkitree

[sharp nebula]

xurkitree is basically tangela with lights

[white meadow]

Oh I thought they were from different people MB

[obtuse silo]

I started xukitree with blaziken but no idea how to lake the face

[junior notch]

not a bad thing, at least its a semi-unique consept

[white meadow]

I can't do shit cause my wifi collapsed and I spent 2 days without it

[leaden flax]

And we don't have Tangela with lights. Aside from maybe some fusions with electric types?

[white meadow]

Funny electric cable dudes and funny sweet dudes!

[sharp nebula]

we also dont have an angry fish with blue or red stripes

[white meadow]

Imagine cotton candy Pokemon

[obtuse silo]

Carvanha is close

[white meadow]

We have funny pokemon with hair (as for meloetta)

[junior notch]

if were talking potential, solrock, lunaton and slupuff are so good

[obtuse silo]

Agree

[junior notch]

and tbh chingling is a better music mon that meloetta

[white meadow]

And honestly the potential for Shaymin is making it's hedgehog form with different plants and flowers but that's it

[sharp nebula]

yes buuuut carvanha doesnt have a grey forehead

[white meadow]

xurkitree would be funny since it has 173 sp atk and tail glow

[junior notch]

yeah, if u want a flower mon just use roserade

[sharp nebula]

okay you lost all my respect

[white meadow]

Yeah! Xurkitree funny guy, he derpy

[obtuse silo]

Xuriktree has also aqesome potwntial

[junior notch]

I do not care, one can make some cool instrument fusions, the other is bad hatsune miku

[final obsidian]

whens this masterpiece coming to infinite fusion?

[sharp nebula]

ill just come back later when the smart people arrive

[white meadow]

I hate humanized mons I'm sorry, except gallade and Gardevoir but I can't stand mons like sawk, machoke or meloetta

[final obsidian]

counterpoint: lilligant

[junior notch]

fair enough, I prefer silly little guys, such as chingling

[white meadow]

Fr

Or my favorite Mon, joltik, silly little tick with fluffy hair and confused faces he's just like me

[obtuse silo]

Same especially super girlish waifu stuff

[white meadow]

nonuple(or whatever do you spell it) fusions when

[junior notch]

theres some good fusions and ideas, just people think with their dicks and not their imagination the second lopunny or gardevoir are mentioned

[obtuse silo]

But still..people can come up with crazy idea

[white meadow]

Lilligant doesn't look that human

[obtuse silo]

Idk how deep you have to fallfor that tbh..before i joined this server didnt know people are into cows

[white meadow]

hey diancie isn't that humanoid!

[tender smelt]

how can i get necrozma

[junior notch]

wrong channel silly

[white meadow]

I mean pokemon like jinx, tyrogue, machoke, sawk, troth

[junior notch]

its pretty stupid ngl. Like mf that is a rabbit

[white meadow]

Once I saw joltik sexualized I want to kms

[white meadow]

you would be surprised by people on the internet

ok let's change topic to something more acceptable, uhhh masquerain for pif

Bruxish

[obtuse silo]

Yeah i mean most of all its a character in monster taming game

[silk narwhal]

oh nooooo, so sexualized and waifubait!!!! wohohohhhhhh scaryyyy woman

[stable sand]

Nice ref

[obtuse silo]

Wouldnt kirlia look super similar to that?

[silk narwhal]

no it wouldn't, and i'm tired of explaining why

[white meadow]

Wait, is golisopod on if?

[obtuse silo]

If you have to explain it over and over i think there is a point

[silk narwhal]

no, we were robbed

[white meadow]

THE POTENTIAL

sorrow

[white meadow]

Imagine FUNNY LITTLE BIG BUG WITH SAMURAI LIKE BODY

[obtuse silo]

I think head fusions for meloetta could be interesting with the meloetta thing

Like the music hair but body not so much

[white meadow]

Chatot would've more potential

[silk narwhal]

both of the fusions i showed are bodies

[lofty spindle]

Honestly, with how united people are behind Meloetta, I almost wish it was another vote instead of a raffle.

[sterile spoke]

Because of the size, it looks more like Kirlia than it does Meloetta. 😛

[obtuse silo]

You could do both with kirlia

[white meadow]

aren't they like similar height?

[obtuse silo]

Body is just a small anime girl

[white meadow]

I hate meloetta!!

[silk narwhal]

different face, different dress and NO SPIKES

[white meadow]

oh wow both are shorter than i thought

[sterile spoke]

It's a reference, so none of that matters. 😛

[silk narwhal]

anyways, i wanted lurantis to make her, but the world is a cruel and unjust place

[white meadow]

melo is 60 cm and kirlia is 80

[stable sand]

I don't think there's even a problem to have similar-looking pokemons, we already have some similar-looking ones, and anyway, it's bound to happen anyway

[white meadow]

Btw can someone tag me when the winner gets announced? I think my internet problem will take a long time and I'm don't wanna stalk the server

[silk narwhal]

with that logic, it can very well be meloetta

[white meadow]

i swear pokemon sizes are randomized

[obtuse silo]

A lot of the details get determined by the head pokemon anyway

[sterile spoke]

We don't need to have Meloetta if all of the stuff people are making can be done with Kirlia, is what I'm saying. 😛

[silk narwhal]

you're wrong though

[sterile spoke]

I'm not, but okay. 😉

[obtuse silo]

I think you are to bias

[sterile spoke]

Everyone is biased, and that's fine. 🙂

[obtuse silo]

Like with head i can see that but body not so much

[sterile spoke]

There's a few slots left (or is it literally just the raffle Pokémon?), so it's natural to be passionate. 😄

[white meadow]

except me, im simply always right!

[silk narwhal]

more examples

[stable sand]

You are, Kirlia and Meloetta only have the same body-type, but not the same body (different dresses, different hands, different legs, and let's not talk about the change form thing)

[white meadow]

Pokémon sizes are weird, how can be Appletlun just 0,4 cm or Groudon just be 3 meters

[sterile spoke]

As long as you agree with me, this is true. 😉

[obtuse silo]

True but i think the point is pretty obvious

[obtuse silo]

Nidoking is also super small

[sterile spoke]

The first Aegislash is too big, the second could be a Kirlia, though Rapidash is very clearly Meloetta. 🙂

[white meadow]

I pictured Groudon as Bigg ass dinosaur around 10 meters tall cause I'm a girl who loves dinosaurs and silly pokemon and he's small

[sterile spoke]

Also, canonical size doesn't necessarily translate to sprite size. Appletun's sprite's not the same size as Applin's, for instance. 😄

Sprites are more about using the space to best capture the details of the Pokémon. 🙂

Within reason.

[silk narwhal]

"the first aegislash is too big"
two seconds later
"canonical size doesn't necessarily translate to sprite size"

[white meadow]

Joltik is weird because 10 cm seem small but 10 cm is pretty big for a bug

[silk narwhal]

how did you contradict yourself so quickly

[obtuse silo]

Well you should still be able to vatch it with a ball i guess

[sterile spoke]

Because it's too big for conveying the details. I didn't contradict myself, you're just being argumentative. 😛

There are big bouts of empty space, indicating that said space hasn't been used correctly. 😅

[obtuse silo]

I think the spriter for these fusions is really good though

[stable sand]

You're just looking for excuses imo, yes I agree that it's too big, but it's only if we're talking about ingame imo, there's no problem for the sprite right now

[leaden flax]

Yeah, and I think not all space should be used, sometimes the silhouette matters more than filling gaps

[sterile spoke]

Oh it's a good sprite for sure, it's just too big. 😂

[sterile spoke]

I'm not, you've just decided you don't want to agree with me. 🙂

[stable sand]

I don't want to agree with you because you're wrong, yes, but ok 🙂

[leaden flax]

None of us gets to decide what gets in anyway, so arguing is pointless

(Just hoping it's not 5)

[obtuse silo]

Lol

[white meadow]

except me! (im totally frog's clone)

[stable sand]

Also discord interface makes it bigger in the preview, it's actually the same as litterally any other big sprite (288x288), so if you think it's too big, litterally 40-50% of the sprites in game are too big right now

[obtuse silo]

We need hippowdon

[woven maple]

I want more weather setters in general. Was very glad to see that Torkoal's got a shot for the raffle.

[stable sand]

Yeah, weather is actually quite rare right now

[woven maple]

Speaking of, does anyone know how to get Amaura's hidden ability?

[obtuse silo]

Been a while since i played

[cloud storm]

I would love to use Archeops WITHOUT Defeatist for once. He was always my favorite fossil mon but his ability absolutely thrashed him mechanically for me.

[stable sand]

I hate those "malus abilities" tbh

[cloud storm]

Yeah. Slow start and Truant are also very bad. I think they are too debilitating a lot of the time and ruin a Pokémon’s chance to be viable. Ability is a big factor in battling

[obtuse silo]

I just saw more people are against buffing hail

I really want to know the reasoning behind it

[robust geyser]

climate change deniers

[white meadow]

buff sunny day to give skin cancer

[stable sand]

Buff rain to make pokemons sick

[obtuse silo]

The only real benefit hail has is like 100% blizzard

[leaden flax]

Buff sandstorm so I can't see the abominations in randomized runs

[stable sand]

25% pierce Protect was pretty huge in DP too, but it was removed

[obtuse silo]

Very sad 8 for it 16 against it

So what mon of the raffle poll is going to get hate next?

[iron quartz]

God Please
WIN PLS

God i need to spread more of this (Not very day but kinda often)

[obtuse silo]

Its not based on votes i gets randomly picked

[iron quartz]

yeah ik

[lofty spindle]

As I said, I'd be down for her.

[lucid shard]

@obtuse silo i didn't know galisopod was in the game

[silk narwhal]

it isn't

[lucid shard]

oh

[obtuse silo]

The squirtle picture is cute

[iron quartz]

i'm gonna be honest
why are they here?
Like,who suggested them to be here honestly?

[obtuse silo]

I think it was chimecholover46

No idk prevo could be nice though

[iron quartz]

..Look its cute and nice honestly but um
what usage does it have?

[subtle plume]

to be fair the people submitting these were sprite artists and are probably more in it for the spriting than the gameplay

[obtuse silo]

And i mean you can play though the game with the worst mons

[junior notch]

honest I think they have more potential than meloetta in terms of musical mons

[iron quartz]

true

[median hull]

is this discussion about new official pokemon or new fused pokemon

[junior notch]

now hear me out on this

meloetta is great for ref fusions, but apart from that its pretty useless

chimecho line can create instrument related fusions and are just cuter

[iron quartz]

Like beating the game with only bug types except They cannot evolve or smth

[junior notch]

new pokemon being added to pif

[median hull]

what's a pif

[junior notch]

pokemon infinite fusion

[eager token]

I mean, no. The fusions above are cool and I'd use them, so clearly not useless for fusions

[median hull]

so new official pokemon

[eager token]

Good stats and alt forms too, which is nice

[junior notch]

for bodies its essentially just slightly changed kirlia, and for heads chingling is better

[eager token]

With better mechanical sides, and a slew of already existing sprites that people want to put in

Aka, better than Chingling which has neither

[junior notch]

as I said, ref alts is the only real thing I see meloetta being used for, and blaq said it should we shouldnt use ref alts as an arguement to or for

[eager token]

Right here, dude

[iron quartz]

well
meloetta can also be Music related fusions (Since its form is based off music ig?)

[junior notch]

so can chingling

[eager token]

And there were even more posted above, and I've seen a few floating around elsewhere.

You're going "nobody uses it" when there's already some high-quality sprites for it

[junior notch]

in fact, I would rather make 100 chingling fusions that 25 meloetta ones

[sharp nebula]

by that reasoning, so can exploud. sound is not the same as music

[junior notch]

theres like 7, some of which are refs alts

[eager token]

Then don't make any? Not every mon has to be your exact liking

[iron quartz]

also meloetta hair is like piano stuff ig

[eager token]

Really sounds like a you problem

[junior notch]

yeah, it can, exploud is based off of a boombox, a system to do with music

[junior notch]

you do realise the whole point of these debates is spriters talking about what THEY WANT to see, right?

[sharp nebula]

exploud yells, guzzlord yell too lets make loads of music out of guzzlord

[obtuse silo]

Nah guzzlord eats

[eager token]

And others explicitly stated they wanted it, and you went "but I don't!" as like. The sole reason.

[junior notch]

this channel always succeeds at pissing me off for some reason, whenever I suggest my own opinion that clashes with others

[obtuse silo]

And you dont want chimecho line its fine

[junior notch]

I said I dont want it... as the sole reason of me not wanting it

[eager token]

I have no prob with the chimecho line.

[junior notch]

ur logic isnt adding up at all

[eager token]

I mean, neither is yours. If we only added pokemon with NEW themes in, then we couldn't add any

[iron quartz]

what the hell happened here

[junior notch]

yet you have a problem with me saying I would rather it be in the game than meloetta

[obtuse silo]

I might make a chimecho fusion

[eager token]

Basically every theme already exists in the base 420. From fire to smoke to sound, especially if you start twisting one thing to be another

[junior notch]

it produces more variety in fusions, most people prefer new concepts tbh

[eager token]

So the argument "sound mon exists, therefore no music mon" is like saying "Charizard exists, so no need to add any dragons ever"

[obtuse silo]

Not really and its also about body shape, colors, unique abilities,

[junior notch]

not at all what I'm saying

[eager token]

I mean, if we're going unique abilities and mechanics, then Melotta DOES definitely win out Chimecho

[iron quartz]

I'm gonna be honest,What other music related fusions will chimecho be? Its based off a wind bell and thats cool but what other music related fusions will it make?
@junior notch

[junior notch]

I'm saying that out of those 2 music mons, I think chimecho and chingling would make better fusions, therefore I wanna see it in the game more

[eager token]

Since it has the alt form, which is a rarer ability

[obtuse silo]

Now ylu are singleling out one point though

[eager token]

It also has a more unique ACTUAl ability, stronger base stats, and more diverse more pool

Mechanically, you're trying to claim a pretty low tier mon with one of the stronger legendaries. It won't win on that front

[iron quartz]

mythical

[junior notch]

spinerak could make a guitar, dugtrio could make flute pipes or whatever they called

[iron quartz]

its a mythical
Not a legendary

[junior notch]

just a couple that come to mind, the amount of ideas tho are really cool imo

[eager token]

Last I checked, mythical is a sub category of legendary

[iron quartz]

..a sub category of what?

but still
Its a mythical
NOT A LEGENDARY

[junior notch]

nope lol, mythics, legends and ubs are all seperate

[obtuse silo]

Its all fan made therms

[eager token]

Legendary, mistyped. As in, mythicals are legendaries gained through events

[iron quartz]

isnt there like a guitar fusion or smth else already?
But spinerak is a bit of random choice

[eager token]

But alright, no need to get so pedantic when the point is, Melotta's stats and abilities are supposed to be unique. It's the point of mythicals and legendaries

[junior notch]

why is that random? spiders are known for string, guitars are the most well known sting instrument

[iron quartz]

isnt there another spider pokemon other than spinerak?

[junior notch]

ik, twas just an example

galvantula is an electric type, maybe an electric guitar/bass

[iron quartz]

but also Noivern/Machoke is technically a guitar
problem,its also bass boost guitar

[junior notch]

its playing a guitar, I mean the pokemon itself is the instrument

[iron quartz]

Oricorio/aegislash

[obsidian ferry]

Chimecho would be cute, but compared to Meloetta there would probably be less super cool fusions I'd wanna keep on my team

[obtuse silo]

Its palette and body are kinda boring though

[junior notch]

still, just cos we have one doesnt mean we cant have more

[obsidian ferry]

Plus I like the sheet music aesthetic of Meloetta

[iron quartz]

howabt the piano hair

[junior notch]

fair, I'm just saying why I would prefer chingling

[obtuse silo]

Yeah for head fusion its propably cool

[eager token]

It's alt form is a bit more unique, tho. And the musical notes for the hair is a cool detail

[iron quartz]

also it has relic song ig

[eager token]

Yeah, the flared skirt could provide more room for body stuff. Hair's neat too

[junior notch]

I mean kirlia already has that

I just dont see a need for meloetta, everything it does can be done better by other mons imo

[obsidian ferry]

The musical notes and symbols would be easy to implement on other mons like klefki

[obtuse silo]

I think a lot of the other raffle mons are better for head and body fusions

[iron quartz]

name 3 ig?

[junior notch]

name 3 what

[eager token]

I don't know any other mon with as strong and easy a musical theming

[junior notch]

features of meloetta I think other mons do better?

[obtuse silo]

This obe id say primarily head fusions that look unique

[iron quartz]

yeah?

[eager token]

I mean, a bell doesn't strike me as musical. It strikes me as instrument, which has separate imagery. As compared to actual piano notes making up the design. One is a lot stronger imo

[obtuse silo]

Like i could imagine a meloetta pidgeot gusion where the hair is musical notes or something

[junior notch]

aight, its body shape is way too similar to kirlia, and has a much less unique sillhouette and design, the music can be done better by noivern and chingling, and when it comes to ref alts we already have the most obvious one done (hatsune miku)

[iron quartz]

give me a sec

[obtuse silo]

Imo the gold plus the white red stripes are interesting and it would give everyone that golden metal look with a unique face

[sharp nebula]

again there is a difference between music and sound

[junior notch]

so yeah, just my opinion but I dont understand why people want it so much

[eager token]

That I could see more than the musical theme tbh

[junior notch]

to do what, counter my opnion? Cos it wont change my mind or anytrhing lol

[iron quartz]

nah not that

[junior notch]

anyways imma go do some actually useful shit, see ya

[obtuse silo]

Chimecho plus dhelmise could be a gallow

[iron quartz]

I jsut realized Most of the pokemon in the Miku collab with pokemon are also ingame

[obtuse silo]

I honestly need to sace that idea

[iron quartz]

To sprite making you GO

[obtuse silo]

What?

[iron quartz]

nvm
:>

[obtuse silo]

So you are telling me to kilk my self?

[iron quartz]

no

[obtuse silo]

Because you dont like an opinion?

[iron quartz]

what opinion?

[obsidian ferry]

Specifically most of the existing "musical" pokemon are representations of musical instruments, but meloetta represents the written form and symbolics relating to music

[obtuse silo]

Idk why would say that

[iron quartz]

You said "Honestly need to save that idea" I intrepret that you were gonna either make it
Or save it for later

[obtuse silo]

Oh thought to make me go in the sense of making a gallow

[iron quartz]

yeah
a gallow fusion ig
which sounds very fine

[obsidian ferry]

they meant go to make the sprite, not that the sprite was making you go somewhere

[obtuse silo]

Oh sry misunderstood then

Spriting a mon for every raffle pick sounds like a fun project

[sterile spoke]

That's not how sprites work. Very, very few of them should be close to filling the full 96x96 canvas that gets sized up to 288x288. 😛

You'd know this if you were a Spriter, of course. 😉

[leaden flax]

His point is that there are already big sprites in the game (and they're not even alts either)

It has nothing to do about the upscaling thing

[sterile spoke]

That's a bad point. 😂

"Other sprites break the rules, so this one should get a free pass" is a weak defence. 😅

[leaden flax]

Besides the validity of the sprites is irrelevant as it was more about the designs

[sterile spoke]

The better line of logic is "some sprites break the rules, but out of thousands, these are exceptions and should be treated as such until a sprite is made that bettrer meets the guidelines"> 🙂

[sterile spoke]

Nah, feedback is warranted on both design and sprites. 😄

Design stuff is actually ignorable as far as feedback goes, technical stuff is not. 😅

Again, people who are Spriters are quite aware of this. 🙂

[leaden flax]

I did some sprites, I may not be a spriter I know my share about the rules

But like I said, arguing about this is pointless

[sterile spoke]

You've done two really nice sprites that overuse dithering, so it's not a wealth of experience. 😛

[leaden flax]

So I'm bad at spriting so my opinion is invalid, okay

[sterile spoke]

I didn't say you were bad, I said you weren't familiar with the stylistic limitations of BW, so your opinions on the stylistic limitations of BW aren't best-informed. 😅

[buoyant narwhal]

Uhh

Nvm

[white meadow]

Hey
They are great

[sterile spoke]

I like Chinging and Chimecho a lot, but I feel they're not the most wholly unique Pokémon. 😮

[stable sand]

I looked at Zereina sprites and I really don't see the problem, nor why it matters in this argument of "Meloetta is not good for making good/interesting fusions"

[iron quartz]

I accidentally started an argument.

[obtuse silo]

I think the argument was about spriting

[sterile spoke]

You're deliberately not understanding my point. 😛

[iron quartz]

God why did i do this

[sterile spoke]

That quotes bit is what I'm saying applies here. 😂

[stable sand]

Then explain what is the "stylistic limitations of BW" and enlighten me

Instead of mocking me with emojis

[iron quartz]

You know what
I'm gonna leave this chat for awhile

[white meadow]

I like that sprite someone made for them

[obtuse silo]

Oh i like that too

[leaden flax]

It's cute and cool design

[buoyant narwhal]

It's a raffle right?

[stable sand]

Yes

[white meadow]

Also I like Elektross already even more than before

[buoyant narwhal]

I hate wheel of fortunes I hate wheel of fortunes

[sterile spoke]

We have a whole channel for it. 🙂 #spriting-guidelines

[sterile spoke]

Ooh, yeah I think Eelektross has a lot of potential. 😄

[obtuse silo]

Well made but i cant recognize the head

Oh its trapnich

[sterile spoke]

Trapinch. Eyes, palette and sand. 😃

You beat me to it, it seems. 😂

[obtuse silo]

Yesh now i see it

[white meadow]

Always love when people dont recognize obvious fusions XD

[obtuse silo]

Idk i feel like a big mouth would have made it obvious

[next flare]

Well, if we’re using bastiodon for pointless propoganda https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1150826470755803296/1150826471003279462/567.411.png?ex=6564c02c&is=65524b2c&hm=57d7c701738f8ef56cfac5e3e48dfbf04b52ff42f797f84104d72765051b1244&

[obtuse silo]

That i recognize lol

[white meadow]

Im still so happy to have Noivern now

[sterile spoke]

Jesus Christ, the dithering on the Torterra's wings.

Otherwise lovely sprite, though. 😉

[obtuse silo]

Honestly dithering fir scales and such seems pretty good

[white meadow]

Yeah idk I didnt found a good middle ground and people said I should send it in so ig its fine
Not the best but fine

[stable sand]

There's fucking dithering in the fur example

[obtuse silo]

Yeah in the fur its used to give it the fluffy look

[strange cosmos]

why is archeops there twice?

[obtuse silo]

Cause someone won twice

[strange cosmos]

nice

[obtuse silo]

Archeops head fusion will go hard

[sterile spoke]

Again, you're not a Spriter, so don't try and lecture me on these things when there's a tag to explain that. 😛

?tag dithering

[opal trail]

Dithering is a technique where two colours are drawn in a checkerboard pattern to blend from one shade to another. Most often, it is used in Pokémon sprites in order to show that a texture isn't entirely smooth; fur, feathers, fire and smoke are some of the main environments where it is used. As it is quite an eye-catching technique, it should often be used sparingly, as this helps give a sprite texture without making that area stand out.

Historically, dithering used to help create the illusion of smoother gradients or extra shades when sprites were viewed on small screens. Some Gen 3-4 sprites use dithering for that purpose. When sprites are scaled up, however, the dithering stands out and doesn't work for this purpose, so it should be avoided on IF sprites. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/700790080175996938/910797246658904104/dithering.png?width=901&height=676

[leaden flax]

We read that part

[sterile spoke]

Read it again, then. 😂

[leaden flax]

Yeah I read that, that's what I did before making sprites

[molten loom]

The use sparingly?

[sterile spoke]

Dithering basically only exists because it smooths the transition between shades on old screens, but it has the additional function of adding texture in certain contexts. 🙂

[stable sand]

And? I don't see the problem of using it a little?

[white meadow]

You think the dithering is way too much or is it fine?
I know normaly we dont ask it here but since we started talking about the dithering on Torvern

[sterile spoke]

It's a lot. 😂

[white meadow]

Oh no his point is valid for example on my Torvern
I had problems at finding the sweet spot for it

[sterile spoke]

It's not being used a little. I've been doing this for 12 years, and you're just trying to be argumentative. 😛

[leaden flax]

Yeah, sure

[white meadow]

You mind if I reopen the thread and ping you maybe you can show me with a quick draw or so what dithering I should delete

[sterile spoke]

I don't have the means to draw right now, but I'm more than happy to give extra feedback. 😄

[stable sand]

Just say you don't like dots and that's it, don't try to be argumentative, you're the one who suddently "attacked" Zereina sprites when it wasn't even the subject

[sterile spoke]

I gave pretty comprehensive feedback whilst asserting that I did like the sprite, so I'd advise that you read what I say next time. 🙂

[leaden flax]

I don't think "overusing dithering" is comprehensive feedback

[stable sand]

With a condescending tone and funny emojis

[white meadow]

What sprite was from Zereina?

[obtuse silo]

@white meadow may i make one suggestion=

[sterile spoke]

I mean I mentioned the size too and gave tags to contextualise it. 😅

[white meadow]

On torvern?
#1173276153478398073

[obtuse silo]

yeah

[sterile spoke]

That's just how I type. If you don't like the emojis, it's a you problem. 😂

[stable sand]

A Riolu/Zubat and a Lucario/Zubat

[fresh salmon]

Though

If Popplio gets added, then will Rowlet and Litten be added alongside?

[leaden flax]

Nah

[obtuse silo]

only solrock and lunatone come together

[stable sand]

Only Popplio line

[sterile spoke]

Unfortunately not, no. 😢

[leaden flax]

Which I find weird but I guess it's just two pokemon in total

[obtuse silo]

not a fan of incineroar but i think you can make it look better with fusions

[fresh salmon]

I hope either Shaymin or Eelektross win

[sterile spoke]

It's the same reason why Sableye got added this time; it being excluded whilst Mawile was in is weird. 😅

[fresh salmon]

I'm sad Ludicolo didn't make the cut this time but the additions aren't bad this time

Also Xurkitree would be cool to have in-game to have at least an UB

[sterile spoke]

I feel like everyone has one line they really want to make it in but just wasn't feasible (Ribombee for me), but the new fusion system hopefully means a potential update would be possible in the future. Not guaranteed, by any means, but still. 🙂

[obtuse silo]

i dont really have a mon i desperatly want

[fresh salmon]

I got Ludi and Dhelmise, and got the latter

[leaden flax]

I want Mienshao, but I'm fine with just more fighting types in general

[obtuse silo]

you can fuse glalie with persian to get budget mienshao

[fresh salmon]

The only Fighting type option in this raffle is Meloetta

[obtuse silo]

is meloetta normal fihgting?

[fresh salmon]

Also I've noticed the double Archen

[stable sand]

Normal Psychic in normal form, Normal Fighting in her "orange" form

[stable sand]

It's because the same guy won twice

[fresh salmon]

Also I thought Bruxish would be in the raffle

Just for the memes and the shitpost that's been around the Pokemon

[sterile spoke]

I wasn't even calling that one too big (though the point may stand), but overly dithered. Almost every shading area is dithered, compared to Zubat's entire lack of it. 😅

[white meadow]

Oh well you saw nothing XD

[sterile spoke]

You should have kept it up as a visual reminder of what I was talking about. 😂

I think someone else won two contests, but chose two different entries. 🙂

[marble meadow]

i just thinking if one of the new or old one could be a ref to kingdomhearts boss demyx

dance water dance

[sterile spoke]

People can force a reference into anything, that shouldn't be an important aspect of any addition. 😛

[marble meadow]

also a bit more kh or even a the world end with you ref would be cool but wich mon would turn into sho minamimoto

[sand mica]

I hope Skuntank and Grumpig win.

[silent acorn]

Just a question why do you keep posting them even though right now it's impossible for them to get in? I mean just save energy for next time man.

[silk narwhal]

i hope you stop this once and for all

[stable sand]

He will probably only stop when they are released

[hollow quest]

this kinda stuff is why i started to dislike minior

[zenith relic]

Oh sweet Solrock and Lunatone

Sun and Moon fusions everyone
You can even get fusions based on the Sun and Moon from Soul Eater

[silent acorn]

I mean that's fair, I am Just saying one does not need to do a Melosupre an Go mad with grief over your mon not getting in

If meloetta doesn't get in I can imagine melosupre going berserk she is kinda whack like that

[white meadow]

bro is gonna close combat the whole server

[zenith relic]

Hey it be a betterSWEET moment when Slurpuff gets in

Get it since Slurpuff is based on cotton candy, and we gonna finally have a new fairy type

[silent acorn]

You are funny little rascal you know that?

[marble meadow]

ok before i go this is a potential fusion for sharpedo

[zenith relic]

I know

[silent acorn]

Hmmmm... I just wonder what could go with this... There Is mimikyu but it's not this big

[marble meadow]

could also work as an alt

[zenith relic]

Same or with maaaybe Gallade or Bisharp

[marble meadow]

and a bit off topic i have great time with the remake going off and continue it

cya soon maybe i decide to lurk or just wait for the pokemon reveal

bye everyone

[silent acorn]

What remake?

[zenith relic]

If they do another somewhat competition, amazing one of those miss america beauty contests with fem Pokemon, like choosing ether Lilligant Salazzle Tsareena ect

[marble meadow]

Mario rpg

[round gale]

Or even Empoleon due the trident?

[crisp anchor]

where do you get phantump

[sudden flower]

Skunk I could get behind, but Grumpig?

[sand mica]

Why didn't people vote for it? I asked for Skuntank to be in the game and nobody listened.

[zenith relic]

Don't worry, he'll turned up like the same for me with Marianie when she got revealed

[sand mica]

I'm going to request Skuntank and Grumpig until both get in.

The more I request, the more likely they get in.

[sudden flower]

Lawful Evil with the Grumpig choice

[manic arch]

Does anyone know which 2 make trigger happy

[sudden flower]

gotta respect the grindset though

[clever atlas]

#fusions

[narrow lynx]

Does anyone have a list of the 40 new pokemon added in version 6.0? THANKS

[manic bison]

Is there a list for locations for the newly added pokemon?

[stable sand]

You can see it in the changelog ( https://pastebin.com/pLzr4dhq )

[cinder oasis]

Gengar and something else I forgot

[manic arch]

I found it

Gengar and monferno

[bold atlas]

favourite new pokemon is ||Cool DIno||

[agile sun]

me toooo, i want so hard make dessert fusionsss

[grave jolt]

the GGS alliance only got one member into the game 😔

[fallen loom]

This is obviously Sharpedo + Dhelmise

[cerulean zenith]

I would actually argue the opposite but to each their own

[stuck cave]

All the raffle candidates are nice

Hot take though, I'll be sad if out of all of them, Eelektross is picked

[slim otter]

I like eelektross

It would be sad if we got slurpuff and all dessert fusions were alted

[fallen loom]

I'd be sad if we got Baltoy or Chimecho

we have 69 Gen 3 Pokémon and we don't need anymore!

[junior notch]

I'd be sad if we got shaymin or meloetta

[obsidian hare]

This is a real hot take but I dont quite like any of these raffle pokemon

[junior notch]

I assume they wont, unlike stufful slurpuff is literally dessert

[obsidian hare]

Archeops is nice, but besides that im very meh on them

[junior notch]

fair enough tbh,

[fallen loom]

Right? No new Bug lines!

[stuck cave]

I look at it from an art/fusion perspective

[obsidian hare]

or any like other new starters aswell. Granted i do want more bugs

[junior notch]

same, which is why I want either sol/luna, chingling line or slurpuff

[obsidian hare]

What i REALLY wanted was corviknight though tbh

[stuck cave]

I really want to see Vivillon fusions tbh

[junior notch]

no mons past gen 7 allowed

[fallen loom]

Solrock and Lunatone could be interesting though, but are they good enough to break 69?

[obsidian hare]

Brother we have mons past gen 7

[fallen loom]

no

[junior notch]

no we dont, name 1

[stuck cave]

Cool Dino

[junior notch]

gen 8 and 9 literallly cannot be added to the game, its physically impossible for them to do so

[obsidian hare]

Wait no i think youre right I was counting Ultra sun and moon as gen 8 for some god forsaken reason

[junior notch]

tyrantrum is gen 6

[stuck cave]

Cool Dino is a separate, superior entity to Tyrantrum. Brand new even

[junior notch]

what gen? 74?

[obsidian hare]

I also want to see victini fusions and greninja fusions too

i just want to see the digimon references that come with victini tbh

[junior notch]

gotta wait a long time for either tho (I'm so glad cos I do NOT like greninja lol)

[obsidian hare]

why not? imo its one of the better starters we've had

Its overrated yea, but thats not any less cool

[fallen loom]

I'd rather starters be added as a lump-sum thing 6 months from now

[junior notch]

I have a giant list of reasons if you want to hear

[obsidian hare]

I wouldnt mind that tbh

[obsidian hare]

also sure, why not

[junior notch]

• the tongue scarf not only doesnt make sense, but is disgusting
• its pushed way too hard by pkmn company, like seriously bro got an entire new form to itself
• the design looks weird and non sensical, like why does it have ears? Why are said ears triangular?
• it doesnt fit the rogue/theif/ninja aesthetic nearly as well as it could have
• people over hype it and make it seem like its peak pokemon when I really dont think it's that good
• there are better water/dark starters who also do well in competitive, one area where greninja is hailed like a saint (H. Samurott who is also my fav starter)

there lol

no I will not be taking criticism on any of this as I frankly do not care

[cedar merlin]

i was always a delphox type of girl tbh

[junior notch]

same here girlie, braixen is also best mid stage

[stable sand]

Point 2 and 5 are almost the same imo, but yeah, Greninja is definitely not one of my favorites

[junior notch]

one is about the company, the other is bout the fans lol

[stable sand]

It's the same in the end, it's popular, they make more content for him because of that, and people like him more because of that

[junior notch]

not really my point

[slim otter]

I just want dewott

[obsidian hare]

• Imo it makes sense and looks alright, i think having a bubble scarf like its previous evos though would have been better though, but that bubble scarf doesn't fit the asthetic nearly as well
• yeah, thats true, but thats bound to happen with pokemon ash owns, its still a neat pokemon
• Those arent ears and are just some design elements. like how blastoise has ears despite yknow, being a turtle.
• Imo it fits it perfectly into that asthetic but thats a subjective thing.
• 100% it is over rated but that doesn't take away from it being a cool pokemon. Somethings are overrated for a reason, doesn't mean its bad.
• Eh, theres like, I think 1 other water dark starter right? That being H. Samurott and imo H samurott is worse than OG samurott.

Not really critism, if you dont like a pokemon thats fine, but imo hes pretty alright. Probably in like, my top 3 final starter evos

[junior notch]

I aint reading that lmfao

[obsidian hare]

Its not that much im ngl

[junior notch]

oshawott line is the goat fr

[stable sand]

It's as big as your post tho

[obsidian hare]

Oshawott will always slap

[junior notch]

dont care, literally said I wasnt gonna argue bout my opinion and u decided to anyways

[obsidian hare]

i legit said im not arguing and that your opinion is perfectly valid

[junior notch]

and yet you nitpick all of my opinion

[obsidian hare]

I was just saying my stance on it? Like, yknow

[fallen loom]

The issue with H Samurott is they doubled-down on the low defense, mixed attacker thing instead of giving its armor purpose (to PROTECT the Pokémon)

[obsidian hare]

A conversation?

[sly olive]

Oh cool a debate

[slim otter]

I don't remember, did h samurott get higher speed?

[sly olive]

🍿

[obsidian hare]

I also dont really like the design of H samurott either. I feel like another pokemon could have gotten the regional varient

[slim otter]

I'm not a fan of H Samurott either, even though I like dewott

[fallen loom]

The only Hisuii starter worth the redesign was Decidueye

[slim otter]

I mean, H Typhlosion was okay

[obsidian hare]

like a starter that needed it, Chesnaut, Delphox, the chikorita line, and oters

[obsidian hare]

H typhlosion was fantastic imo

[slim otter]

Fingers crossed for more Legends games

[fallen loom]

H Samurott does have higher speed

[empty pendant]

Hisuian Typhlosion is really awesome

[leaden flax]

Legends game look pretty cool yeah (never played tho)

[slim otter]

Good. Makes sense with the whole sneaky opportunist thing, and helps exploit the new battle mechanic

[obsidian hare]

like what though? imo it only fits for arceus and maybe celebi

[cinder oasis]

I think the Hisuian starters were the best trio of all time imo

[sly olive]

Can we just agree that Chikorita is arguably one of the worst starter lines in the franchise? I heard grass sucked in gold silver

[slim otter]

The visual glitches in PLA scared me off at first, but when I played it, it was suprisingly fun

[obsidian hare]

Its def most forgettable, i wouldnt say the worst

[cinder oasis]

I would say the worst

[leaden flax]

It might be bad, but I kinda like it

[slim otter]

Johto is one of the only regions where I liked all of the starters about equally, but considering the postgame in heartgold/soulsilver, the starters need to be competant

[stable sand]

Grookey was bad too IIRC, but yeah, Chikorita is very bad (talking gameplay-wise)